lore-discussion-spoilers

[keen shore]

THANJ YOU IM GOAD YOU LIKE IT <3

[eager eagle]

This remind me the act 2 of performance, when you can choose the story path, and some parts about light growing brighter or dimmer, all about star

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! At some point the star lands and from it spring light creatures. While it could easily be a children's fairy tale, how cool would it be if life in the kingdom came from stars

[sharp lichen]

OH COME ON

I missed star discussion

Which spirit would be chaotic enough to go by supernova/supernovae?

[little pebble]

birds actually made a bridge

[slim plume]

Blushing Prospector beloved

[visual lichen]

How are you already seeing next seasons spirits?

And you are standing not gliding? What's going on? Did you photo shop the Pic or are you on sky beta? Just qurious.

[raw crypt]

It’s in live, it’s part of the Qixi Festival celebration! Today is the actual day so the bridge is complete and spirits present^^

[eternal totem]

It’s Blushing Prospector & the unknown spirit in their memory, it has nothing to do with next season

[visual lichen]

Awesome, thanks, I'll go check it out.

[hushed steeple]

I was quite surprised as well. It was beautiful though.

[old bolt]

OHHHH i like that comparison with actual stars so much what if the eden blast was a supernova and then became a black hole = eden void where the king is trapped and the beam above eden is its jet

[rigid mural]

That's a funny easter egg, I like it. I hope they will add more small scale stuff with mythos from all around the world too !

I was gonna suggest some cool celtic festivals but a lot of their symbols (as well as norse ones) got appropriated by white suprematists so i'm not sure if we will see anything close to that :(

I think celebrating revolutions in a cycle such as seasons would fit sky tho, we already got the spring equinox (celebrated in a lot of cultures) with Days of Bloom after all. Days of Feast could arguably fit the winter equinox since that's what the christians turned into chrismas too.

Beltaine/Midsummer/May Day are celebrations marking the beginning of summer. They got a lot in common between eachother (decorating places with flowers, lighting bonfires, eccetera) but Beltaine in particular considers fire as sacred since it protected cattle on their way to summer pastures. Which coincides with fire being sacred and helping to ward off darkness in Sky, kinda !

[eager eagle]

More little celebration about stars, fire and light, friend and family, it could be really sweet !!
Having a celtic inspiration or celebration would make me so happy ! But yeah,,, go try to find one that is nice and not modify by christianism and white suprematists like you say

[narrow geyser]

Is it legal to say that all spirits (except the little prince spirits because they are outside of the Vault Castle ) in the Vault of knowledge realm are government officials?

[rigid mural]

Legal ? Yeah I don't think free speech is forbidden here
If you meant "correct", we don't know what they precisely did aside from being scholars, so this could be your headcanon or interpretation ! Not the first time something from the Vault was theorized as having political power, some people headcanon the Vault Elder was an advisor of the King,

[latent lark]

I just got an idea and then forgot it

[boreal nebula]

I don't think it's her or any other spirit we met so far.

I visited them at the magpies bridge and they are regularly colorless spirit and I already have all spirits ascended

[boreal nebula]

I have all the spirits unlocked/ascended but there is no golden color on those 2 spirits.

It would have been nice though, if it was them

[keen shore]

I agree! I thought it was blushing prospector at first, but if it was he would be gold, so it wasn’t him

[boreal nebula]

Since I don't come back in Lore very often Idk if there has been any new additions in LoreChat.

But today I randomly saw a plant in GW which inderectly reminded me of Wooly Manta

I mean, I was wearing the Saluting Protector cape too, so maybe that reminded me of that favorite fanon mascotte 😊

Anyway... I saw a plant which somehow reminded me of how some plants with just two leaves can look like a butterfly and I thought...

[rigid mural]

Butterflies are sometimes parralels with Dark Plants...

[boreal nebula]

What if there were a Camouflaged Butterfly, which mimic the darkplants to save its skin?

[rigid mural]

I recall Salem saying they think Crabs are corrupted Jellyfish, it's possible each light creature has a dark mirror !

[boreal nebula]

Sort of like IRL there are some types of non-venous snakes with certain colors which seems like dangerous ones

My idea would be just a Light aligned butterfly, which is just dark + blue and poorly reminding a darkplant to avoid being attacked

[frigid tinsel]

more like every dark creature is actually a corrupted light creature

[boreal nebula]

Just a funny idea... A bit to twisted for the low poligons game engine we have (I remember devs answered to a question about "why fish in sky don't have the frontal diamond pattern like lightcreatures?" by saying specifically mentioning the polygon limit while also pointing about how after all, their whole body was remotely diamond polygon)

[boreal nebula]

That might be, but my favorite theory is about dark plants actually eating butterflies

[rigid mural]

Oh yeah, like carnivore plants !

[keen shore]

I’m not really sure how those are mutually exclusive, though? Not trying to be rude just kinda confused
also ty vela for remembering my theory <3

[boreal nebula]

And I fear even a crab or krill, if hungry, would chase them

Btw... With the new Season of Shattering is there any new addition to lore?

[keen shore]

Yeah, we discovered darkstone can hold memories now! It was speculation before but now got confirmed

[boreal nebula]

Well.. I guess that's a proof

Even though I always thought darkness could conceal a memory after all around anywhere

[frigid tinsel]

also this poem from the Shattering release news post: https://www.thatskygame.com/news/shards-of-the-past-arrive-in-season-of-shattering/

The wounds of the past are never far from sight.

The light around us is in constant motion. Who could not see it? Who could not feel the joy of its movement?

Once, we guided the migrating flocks. Once, behemoths flew alongside us in peace. And then we took the light from the wind. The behemoths that remained were only the monuments to ourselves. Our cities shone with a captive glow. We were enraptured as we taught our machines to bind and hoard.

The world of the present can be healed, but our past cannot be undone. Jagged remnants lie in our wake, and even for the mountain it is too much to hold.

[rigid mural]

We got some swell poems in #vault-of-socials for each ancient memory as well ! A new one is due to show up tommorow :]

[raw snow]

,

[boreal nebula]

The sphere of darkness around a spirit to sparks their memory, the numerous cases of darkplants in memories/quest which don't hold light but holding piece of light (for building furniture)

[keen shore]

yeah! this was just about darkstone specifically though :}
& yeah, it was a pretty common speculation pre season, it just got confirmed

[graceful oasis]

I am showing this off for no good reasons.

[raw snow]

Omg fluffy mantas lolol

[graceful oasis]

I wrote the essay, but the image first was made by Zad. I am now doing actions against creative liberty and posting it here.

[boreal nebula]

To me it also demostrated how dark stones are just crystals than can have different alignment with dakrness/light depending of how much they shine

Red , obviously corrupted
Dark, corrupted but lost mostly harmless
Blue, simple light crystal (which in my mind was used a a safe energy by Ancestors)

[keen shore]

God I remember when wooly mantas were created as a concept, it’s insane to see how far they traveled outside of this channel

[boreal nebula]

That's why I don't like to call the ancestors resources as Darkstones.

Also, I think the name of the Tearful Light Miner was a hint all along

[graceful oasis]

At least a few madlads like fluffy stuff

[rigid mural]

omg wooly manta,,,

[keen shore]

I actually disagree with this, just because what darkstone does (absorbing light and using it for things) is what darkness seems to do in general. Like darkness plants growing off light sources, for instance

[boreal nebula]

We have lots of diamonds safe and sound without any light absorbing...or better, that cannot drain our light. Once used a switch they seems to harness a little flame only to then multiplying that power and releasing energy as well

In Treasure reef there are alot of blue crystal without any harm for us

Then again, the new losing light mechanics reminded me of something

[frigid tinsel]

darkstone is the raw material mined out of the ground – thats the blue chunks of rock spilled over in the Treasure Reef mine. power diamonds are when darkstone is refined and acts as a battery, which we give our light to in order to activate mechanisms.

[boreal nebula]

Light, as an element, could have one if natural state (like water can be liquid or ice) as crystal

1. Every time we lose a WL we here shattering sound on the hit... And also once the WL is not reached and its flame state gets exstinguished

2. Once we get heavily drained we get covered in blue crystals too. Which reminds me so much of those as if it was a sign of our bleeding wounds. We are literally made of light inside.. and we are bleeding lightcrystals, maybe

[boreal nebula]

I somehow am not fond on calling the raw material dark.. as it seems neutral, if not light aligned (or at least I hope that's what Tearful Light Miner's name point out)

I woul call darkstones either of those red/black shards landing around the world

[rigid mural]

got inspired

[graceful oasis]

They are rideable hammocks

[frigid tinsel]

"dark" things in Sky seem to absorb and consume light. whether darkstone was once light doesn't mean it is still light – in it's new form, it sucks in light, so it is darkstone. that's the only given name we have for that raw material.

likewise, the shards are also darkstone, albeit corrupted darkstone if red and what I've been calling extinguished darkstone if black. either way, they both hold light and were possibly once sourced from raw darkstone, so they too are darkstone

[boreal nebula]

Sigh... Too soon🥲

||There was once a table glitch which was called Table Drive... it was super easy to do with Assembly Hammock. It was awesome ||

[graceful oasis]

Ahh good old table drive. That glitch is old as hell…. Well at least we got a new table glitch that is teleports people to the center of the map sometimes

[tepid veldt]

you could do it with the assembly hammock? who knew
then again i never had any tables to drive with in the first place

[boreal nebula]

I just wish devs could have been more specific on names during Abyss.. the Resources was a bit vague as name IMHO.. (I might not agree on darkstone as a name, but it sure is cooler than a generic "resource". if diamonds are resource , what should I call the underwater rocks, raw reaource? )

[boreal nebula]

Any video/tutorial about that?

[tepid veldt]

table drive or the teleport people to the center?

[graceful oasis]

Well the current glitch is kind of patched, and the new one requires you to rich as hell for table spells.

[frigid tinsel]

These are the mostly agreed upon terms:

Darkstone — raw material mined from the ground, seen as the blue chunks in the Treasure Reef mine.
Power Diamonds — the octadahedrons that given light act as batteries/power sources, which darkstone is refined into.
Darkstone Technology — any technology or mechanisms that uses power diamonds to function.
Corrupted Darkstone — red crystals that actively suck out light.

[tepid veldt]

so forest elder has a power diamond in their cutscene if im interpreting this correctly?

[frigid tinsel]

Presumably, yea

[rigid mural]

looking up things in lore chat, look at this

[keen shore]

OOOOOOO what’s the deal with the last two rows? They each look like two different versions of the same realms

[rigid mural]

Light Awaits was a beta version so I think they got updates on title screens on the way.

[keen shore]

I wish they’d kept the bird that guided you to the temple… that would’ve been so cute for dawn…

[eternal totem]

BETA ISLE WAS SO GOOD WHY DID IT GET NERFED

[boreal nebula]

@rigid mural Remember the time when we got the Yeti is an axe juggler answer?

And then I got this twist to your drawing

[eternal totem]

I think it was due to how long it took to get through the level coupled with the wonky drag controls, but cool boat ride from Isle Elder, gone 😔

[boreal nebula]

Isle went along alot or reboots and changes.. you couldn't fly mostly there, just jumping in one (and you had to jump swipe or drag the legs to walk... It must have been hell... It was the starting point after Eden, I think )

[eternal totem]

Yeah, I know, but it made the most sense to me that the Elder themselves would grant you your wings

[boreal nebula]

OMG, I forgot I made this!

My interpretation is that the common use of that term in Lorechat was inspired old concept arts calling them that, but I think the live game might have outgrown that development placeholder idea.

The way I see it the "darkstone" in concept were darker and could literally corrupt and become spiky and grotesque

But the Resources we need to collect in Abyss and all powerdiamonds (refined prism) all around Sky seems to be a form of Light Crystals (infact Tearful Spirit in Hidden Forest is called LightMiner too)

Anyway, this is just my theory shown in diagrams. It could also be some of the Pinned Concept Arts could be implemented later on in game

Although now I would change the flowchart from Prism -> Darkstone -> Red Crystal

Did I inspired Season of Shattering? ||of course nope, but still ||😆

Was it called SoS for a reason? 🆘

[keen shore]

If they’d kept the tortilla bird, I would’ve totally made a headcanon about it being dawn in a different form, or something. Now I know that I can do that but with the light whisperer bird

You know what, thst typo was an accident but I’m leaving it in there

[tepid veldt]

tortilla birb

[keen shore]

sequel to 100% carrot

[calm jay]

i still think the old light awaits intro was really, really cool. like waking up without light in isle with bodies lying around you as a bird guides you up to the temple and riding on boats summoned by the isle elder. godd i really wish i could've experienced light awaits i'm fascinated by it

[rigid mural]

One of the most common things I hear new players say is that they have no idea what's going on, I think part of it is because they're not used to art games not spoonfeeding them the story, but also, maybe Sky could try holding the new player's hand a bit more in Isle by directing their attention to murals with a textbox explaining they gotta explore to get the full picture.

Perhaps the tutorial bird could serve that purpose ? Perching in some interesting areas in Isle to give the players an idea of what to look for...

[toxic onyx]

Hi!! I'm making an animation based on the elders and how the world of sky started, so I wanted to ask- How did it actually start?

Like were the elders fallen stars? and did they land in isle of dawn? And did they make all the realms or did the spirits

[frigid tinsel]

All that’s really known for sure is that the Elders are fallen stars, as confirmed in an early dev livestream. Everything else is unknown

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

In General: We don’t know the full extent of the Elders’s powers or origins.

As for if they made all the realms, I don’t think so, since we see lands that seem to have no Elders in sight. However, that is just my opinion.

Another thing to notice is that spirits are just ghostly versions of the “Ancestors”, which were the ones actually affecting the kingdom

[toxic onyx]

Ok! thank you both, I'll just make something up hehe

[sharp lichen]

I still like current Isle a bit more… the beta version looks a bit too much like the Prairie Caves to me

[tepid veldt]

i honestly cant believe i havent looked at the pins of this channel before. guess who’s scrolling through old beta screenshots for the next 20 mins

[sharp lichen]

Jeez we need new pins-

[copper saffron]

i actually think the blue crystals are darkness leaking out, the skykids' are part Light, part Darkness, Light being their life force, and Darkness being their physical bodies.

[round parrot]

Question: Is the King necessarily evil?

[keen shore]

Nope!

[round parrot]

Like, when inventing the diamond, he must've known what the consequences are

Or was he just really oblivious

[sharp lichen]

No, where did you get that from? It seems really common but there’s little evidence

@round parrot Here’s a good post that outlines how the whole Sky kingdom was at fault, not jus the King

[round parrot]

Ahh, I see, thank you

[sharp lichen]

I am a King hater but not because he did bad things

[wheat cypress]

@flint bolt look how many whiteboards I have because of you

And I'm getting a 6 foot by 6 foot one for my wall soon ..... I'm telling you your Lore timeline stream changed me

[graceful oasis]

There streams for lore?!

[floral grove]

There is a concept art that realizes the King and the Corrupted King as separate states (beings?) of the King so I doubt he's inherently ane evil guy. Like if he were evil from the get go, there wouldn't be a distinction between the two

[graceful oasis]

All I see is the King is just some dude…. Put in charge of the king and was really into Diamonds…. And just wanted to make a really good Diamond

[white junco]

Eden Elder hyperfixates on diamonds, thousands dead

[flint bolt]

laughs in burnt red crystal covered hair

[flint bolt]

demonic screeches in smort

[graceful oasis]

Screams in Candle Pyramid scheme

[glacial chasm]

spinnibg things in valley citidal look like bibically accurate angels

[latent lark]

I always wondered where mb was in sky. And i found it in the place after orbit where you get wing buffs. Right above our heads

Don’t know how i missed that. It actually follows you too! (Unless that’s just something done to keep it above our heads)

[visual lichen]

If you follow the story, and I mean the old and the new version, is basically like this. This is my theory BTW, as someone who actualy studies cave paintings, and lives in a country that has millions of them. The stars lived in peace in the heavens, and one day darkness came, so the ancestor spirits and the elders, fled and descended downwards (fell, ran away) , and made thier home in the clouds. So understand that everything that happened with eden and the other 6 kingdoms, happened after the stars fell. The darkness (whoever or whatever is behind it) followed them down to eden, causing a calamity that devistated the realms. As for cave of prophecy, the murals talk about you as a player being the chosen one. It's a cave of prophecy not a cave of history. Basically the murals depict not only the trials, but you overcoming the trials. As for the last mural, it takes about your destiny, bringing the light back to eden and rejuvenating not only Edens light but the entire realm. As for the "king" there was no king and if there was then it was the elder of eden who ruled it all, not the skids. So as a player of sky, you are by definition the chosen one, prophesied to defeat the darkness, not rule the kingdoms. But remember, some murals are history, but the mural in Eden is linked to the cave of prophecy alone. So at some piont the devs will add an update where we fix eden completely, bringing an end to the darkness. I wouldn't mind them adding a proper village with inhabitants though. As for the tutorial, this is an adventure game, and the fun of it is to explore, and figure it out by yourself. We all know about adopting moths, so it's your duty as a sky veteran, to take those moths by the hand and show them the ropes. That is why we have so many gestures, you can piont in every direction, nod yes or no etc.

[stable thunder]

Just putting this here~
Blushing prospector and the umbrella guy from her memories can be see on the bird bridge in sunny forest today (4 August), which happens to be Qixi festival!

The whole relations to stars.. literal star crossed lovers, bird bridge thing… what a fitting story to put into Sky

[violet sundial]

They’re meant to be like certain types of irl orreries

They’re typically used to predict and illustrate the motions of the planets and moons, which makes me wonder what their purpose was in the context of the Sky world

[shy chasm]

So y'all know the switch game trailer????

I have a gut feeling that the little boy is the pointing candle maker, and the person they're riding with is the isle elder
Idk tho

[visual lichen]

Like avatar the last air bender, I believe that the skids are not the reincarnation of some made up king, but rather a reincarnation of the eden elder himself. And like in the avatar last Airbender, he gets reborn many times over, hence the other sky kids. Same principle, the sorce of our sky powers comes from the same entity, but at the end of the day we are all different versions of the same being. Now imagine if all of the avatars reincarnation could come back to life at the same time, that is what the sky kids are

[noble ferry]

Not sure what to think of the latest new memory
just a ginormous flock of mantas

hmmmmm.....

[young ocean]

#killMantas

[floral grove]

Ancestors making light tech be like

[tepid veldt]

gonna ask a question thats been bugging me for awhile:

do you need to have evidence for your theories? or could it technically be random nonsense? ~~ive been sort of afraid to share here as my reasoning for a lot of things is super shallow ~~

[open badger]

From what I understood so far lore is just your own interpretation of the murals and what you think how the story of the sky kingdom went
But you should note that the spirits don't have gender tho

[outer hare]

Bobbit ^^

[young ledge]

YEAH I see him as like an inventor, he made all this technology and wants to see how far it will go!!

(also headcannon that the king and the prince are the same entity, but king is much larger than the prince. THEREFORE the prince built himself like a mecha suit)

[round parrot]

Wgich could probably explain why in the Prince and King concept art, there is a teeny tiny child in the king head crown thing

[round parrot]

Ok, new memory new lore, what can we get here Lore chat? Or is it explaining itself because it doesn't really have lore?

[noble ferry]

probably explaining itself

i like to think that it shows much more big mantas in the past that there's massive flocks of them

[round parrot]

Probably explains why there are more diamonds than mantas in the present (I think there is more diamonds than mantas froms my observations)

[noble ferry]

diamond factories probably did a number to the manta populations
not sure if the manta populatiom ever recovered even when the ancestors went bye bye

[slim plume]

Probably not, considering the only place we ever really see manta flocks is in Sanctuary, and even they aren't at the level of this memory

[eternal totem]

We’ll have a better idea once we get a poem perhaps

[tepid veldt]

i see what you mean that is a honk ton of mantas

[round parrot]

It's actually more than the photo, all mantas couldn't fit in one picture

[tepid veldt]

yeah i went to the memory myself there are so many! i dont even know where to begin to find the wl

[earnest briar]

Probably hiding on top of a manta. I'd suggest bringing a friend or a fire prop to keep yourself charged.

[slim plume]

Low gravity spells also exist if you ever need to fly higher! /lh

[tepid veldt]

ooh i forgot abt those

[slim plume]

Doesn't everyone

[willow parcel]

How would that work though? There are numerous sky kids at once

[visual lichen]

Simple, in avatar the last Airbender, although it's the same soul being reborn, it's a different spirit. That is why the avatar is able to speak with older versions of himself in the spirit world.

[willow parcel]

But there are numerous skykids, and it is not a spirit world

(At least my understanding)

[visual lichen]

So we are different spirits of the same soul

Basically your soul is the battery that powers your spirit presence on earth

[willow parcel]

Huh, cool theory, but I just think that we originally lived in the stars, though it's still in the making. I personally dont think that we are apart of the king

[visual lichen]

So remember the other skids, are not Canon to sky and it's story.

Its your private story. The otherskids is just simply to have fun with friends

[visual lichen]

Dude theory is theory. Hehehe we call it theory ba ause it can't be proven as fact. Nobody is correct or incorrect. And fighting about things doesn't make your side true. So don't worry, this chat isn't like the social, the people here are kind, entertaining and friendly. So share whatever is on your mind hehehe ❤️

[visual lichen]

Technically sky itself is a spirit world, as it represents life and death. Isle of dawn being birth, and eden being death. That has always been a fact, and the devs have said its a representation of life, death and rebirth.

That is why we see the sancestor spirits, and relive thier memories. You can't do that in the world of the living. Too understand my piont properly, read Dantes inferno. About the river stix

[willow parcel]

Actually-

Honestly I'm just thinking what is right in my mind, and ima go

[visual lichen]

Go for it. Hehehe, like I said. It's a theory, not fact.

[willow parcel]

Yup

[copper storm]

i’ve been kinda scrolling through here and could someone explain to me who this king guy is? i have absolutely no knowledge on lore i now realize

[visual lichen]

Some say its this guy, but I dont believe there was ever a king. And if there was it was the eden elder. It's called the cave of prophecy not the cave of history. Hehehe

So it stands to reason that one day the devs will add a season where we fix and repair the gem in eden for good. Right now we on the season were the gem has broken and hurls parts down onto sky. Soon I'm sure we will be repairing the damage so to speak. Hehehehe. It only makes sence for it to happen eventually.

[tepid veldt]

also, the shattering quest flavor text at the bottom said “one more memory” so we might be doing something more drastic for the next quests

[visual lichen]

If sky is a representation of life, death and rebirth, then it only makes sence that the story will head in a full circle. Corrupted gem, broken gem, fixed gem, repeat

And it only makes sence that sky gets reborn like we do. Even the Grimm reaper, has an origin and an end.

[copper storm]

oml this is so cool. i’m so glad i joined sky when i did

[visual lichen]

Hehehe, next season is going to be a bigger, and more epic than this one.

[copper storm]

eeee i’m so excited! but also i’ve been really enjoying the darker turn this season. im kinda hoping as the game gets bigger they’ll introduce some sort of weapons

[visual lichen]

I just wish the devs would be more open with us about the history and the future plans of sky. But I guess that would spiol the fun.

[copper storm]

yeah, it’s kinda comforting to go through the lore really slowly and not having it directly explained

[visual lichen]

Unfortunately, no weapons, sky is about "family" and "love" and "friendship" so all you can do is try and hug the Krill.

[copper storm]

yooooo that sounds cool. i originally thought i could use the firework staff to annoy krill but alas i was wrong

[visual lichen]

Yea got it from beta. But that's the only spoiler I'll give out hehehe

Well I unlocked a Krill shield from accending a spirit. I can't remember what spirit it was but I only had 2. And havnt received another spell like it since.

No I will edit it.

[round parrot]

Cursed Vault Elder fact by Ash that I do not want Lore Chat to forget

[visual lichen]

Please remove this message as well. Thanks

Thanks

Does anyone know what these tomb stones are for? I found one in prairie and one in forest area. But can't interact with them at all.

[blazing nova]

this is a clock. when dots align, a rainbow appears

[visual lichen]

OK, is it more like a clock or calender. Just trying to understand here, cause the dots always seem to be in the same spot for me hehehe.

[blazing nova]

it's a 12 hour clock, so if you come there around the same time, it will be in the same spot

[visual lichen]

Hahahaha that makes sence as I always hit the events and cr at the same time everyday hahaha! Thanks atomizer.

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit Here, maybe this can help you

[copper storm]

oh hell yeah, thanks!

[sharp lichen]

Here’s my distinction: If it has at least the tiniest bit of evidence it’s a theory, otherwise it’s a just as viable headcanon

[visual lichen]

Yea that's a good piont, can't just fabricate things, no matter the theory as long as you have something to support your theory. Theory is called theory cause there is no proof to claim it as fact. So don't be shy, everybody has an opinion. But just because someone disagrees with your theory, it doesn't necessarily mean that you are completely wrong. So nobody can actualy fight with each other. That's why I love this group. I would suggest that in order to take part in the chat, it is best to keep an open mind, and not blunt and crude single minded critism. So please guys and gals and inbetweeners (hehehe) share your theorys.

I actualy like pitching theorys, especualy with other sky fans, other people opinions also help as someone elses opinion might just open your eyes to a new theory, or explain that your theory doesn't make sence. Never the less. I have fun here, and I hope you all do too. Much more friendlier than the social chat.

[sharp lichen]

I think the slower-passed chat allows for more complex theories to form, although headcanons are much more popular. But you shouldn’t compare the two: both are extremely useful in keeping the discussion alive

[visual lichen]

True, but I meant general-discussion chat. People are mean on that chat and rude to newbies. This chat, you can chat and enjoy yourself instead of being insulted by rude indevidual half your age.

But here is a new theory. And a change of subject.

[sharp lichen]

[visual lichen]

What if darkness didn't follow the stars like we think it did. What if one of the elders or ancestor spirits, got contaminated by darkness. And turned against the other stars, slowly sabotaging their new home and economy. Experimenting with light creatures. Sucking the light out of them to make dark creatures like the Krill.

If the matter that sky is made of is light itself, the the darkness would esensualy be that dimensions antimatter

[sharp lichen]

That is a good headcanon, but I believe that the Ancestors corrupted the Sky kingdom put of their own decision

[visual lichen]

Hmm industrial based apocalypse 🤔 interesting.

[sharp lichen]

Here, @visual lichen

[visual lichen]

Hmm that is interesting, certainly supports my theory of a future season where we fix eden for good (or temporarily till the next cataclysmic bang)

But still I dont believe all the elders and spirits played a part in the calamity. There must of been a splinter group, probably the ones at treasure reef, that played the biggest role in sky's downfall.

But the containers in the mural at treasure reef resemble the containers in the vault of knowledge, what if they weren't experimenting, but rather storing the light creatures, like an ark. Either that or now we know where the light diamonds came from and the history of sky just became very dark very fast.

[hushed steeple]

yall whats under a floofy manta’s wool i just wanna know

[slim plume]

The same thing under a polar bear's fur 🪒🐻‍❄️

[tepid veldt]

and what’s under a polar bear’s fur

[slim plume]

Let's find out 🪒🐻‍❄️

[hushed steeple]

#sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat message this is what i think is under their fur, chonk manta

[earnest briar]

Its a big chubby Manta! I want to hug it and hear it go 'woo'!

[visual lichen]

Where did this concept come from. I have never seen a manta like that before hahahaha, is it fan art or concept art?

[frigid tinsel]

lorechat fan art, it's like the lorechat mascot

[slim plume]

Fan art from this channel specifically! Pretty sure Vela was the one who drew the original and that the "lore vets" were looking for a solution to what the 'wool' on the Flight season's clothes were

[rigid mural]

Who snitched on me

Also "lore vet" ??? 🧓

[visual lichen]

Hmm didn't know we could add fan art on This chat hehehe. Watch out everyone, I've got some pretty crazy ideas. Hehehehehe

[frigid tinsel]

well art if it's relevant to the discussion

[round parrot]

I'm all here for it

[tepid veldt]

myst i love your pfp

[round parrot]

My last last pfp was too threatening

[sharp lichen]

Welcome to old age

[rigid mural]

i will admit I'm the first to goof off by sending crab whisperer memes as soon as we mention lightseekers, it's just that I'm lore chat's clown so people usually find this funny

[frigid tinsel]

when lorechat's clowning or fawning over lightseeker blorbos, Crab Whisperer is relevant

[sharp lichen]

Is CW in denial about their old age

[frigid tinsel]

yes

Fritjof: is it true light can slow aging?
CW: it’s a tad bit more complicated than that but yes.
Fritjof: and with light one could change their appearance, reverse age them so to say?
CW: some use light to rejuvenate their aging bodies, yes.
Fritjof: so how old are you?
CW: pardon?
Fritjof: how old are you?
CW: …I’m not vain, Fritjof.

[lyric echo]

guys what does grandma actually serve is it dumplings or onions or buns idk man

[frigid tinsel]

light mochi

[rigid mural]

Orb

[tepid veldt]

i say its cement

[lyric echo]

BHAHA

[gusty birch]

Hello, this is my first time visiting lore-chat. I wonder if there are any theories about the mural in Harmony Hall? (Which is the same as Season of Aurora teaser) if there is, I would like to see it

[rigid mural]

There were theories on it before it was revealed as the next season's teaser, but to me, it's just an easter egg or a hint on where the Season of Aurora takes place.

Some of us thought it was the elusive priestess figure from old concept art while others correctly guessed it was going to be the next collab (though I thought it was going to be GRIS) !

[graceful oasis]

I was just going off it was one of the Elders or they were a Singer from the Village that people love and become quite important figure.

[gusty birch]

Aaa I can see what you guys meant. At first I saw the mural, I thought the one in the middle was the queen of the realms and the small kids were still happy and full of emotion

Oh and, thank you for sharing!

[violet sundial]

AHHSHSHHVSHS

[tepid veldt]

yummy cement

[violet sundial]

Okok anyways

Idk lol

Do ya’ll think Scolding Student is actually Botanist’s student? Their mentor? Shushing Scholar’s student?

Does the existence of a spirit with the title “student” imply there was a formal education system within the Sky world?

[warped finch]

hm.. just noticed something

[violet sundial]

Maybe scolding student skipped school frequently and isn’t the perfect spoiled child we were led to believe

[keen shore]

THIRD ONE BECAUSE ITS CUTE AND IT MAKES SENSE

[violet sundial]

Maybe scold is on a summer break of sorts during the events of Assembly then?

[frigid tinsel]

died on summer break, rip

[violet sundial]

LMAO

[keen shore]

I remember lightseekers is based off forest so. technically THEYRE the ones on vacation

[violet sundial]

“Vacation”

Crab whisperer:

Scaredy cadet asks crab whisperer how their vacation was and they tell cadet abt all the bodies they found

[violet sundial]

Though i think assuming the Lightseekers are alive during assembly this is further evidence that parenting in the sky world is just “let your child do whatever and get into serious danger”

The latter part is probably not intentional but it’s happened twice and that’s Kind Of Questionable

[keen shore]

Wait what’s the second one??

[violet sundial]

Daydream forester and dreams skater

Though they both still had someone to save their behind in the end it still seems like Dubious Parenting

Though its also true that could just be by our standards considering entire communities seem to pitch in to raise the young folks sometimes

[tepid veldt]

i am not sure i’m following this conversation could someone explain? or is this “creating personalities for the spirits” kinda thing

[sharp lichen]

Dubious parenting is the name of the game

[sharp lichen]

Spirit family relationships!

[tepid veldt]

ooh gotcha
i think im gonna be asking for context more often than i would like lmao

[violet sundial]

Don’t sweat it too much ^^

But yeah i think

What we’ve seen with dreams and assembly imply that an entire town of spirits can have a shared responsibility for the young ones; and as such parents don’t worry too much about supervising their kids themselves

[sharp lichen]

“It takes a village to raise a child” probably plays a big part in raising child ancestors

[tepid veldt]

oh yeah i forgot about my isle elder headcanon

basically i think isle elder got into a fight or something along those lines, with who i cant say. isle elder’s portal isn’t symmetrical, with one of the sides being crooked/damaged. every other portal is symmetrical (minus the valley one, one point is higher than the other 🤨)
and yeah that’s all i got

[violet sundial]

Which makes sense if you consider the ancestors to have been somewhat connected to the Light

Its like light creatures grouping together or something as a flock but Spirit

They’re all birds in disguise

[violet sundial]

Well i’m not really sure how it’d tie into a fight but isle elder was more or less pushed out of the kingdom’s business and into obscurity and obsoleteness

[tepid veldt]

i was kind of throwing nonsense with the fight part, but that makes more sense

[slim plume]

With the valley portal gate I'd say the point was broken off over time (all the portals seem very old) but I guess that raises even more questions if it was

Especially considering that the point is high up. Idk maybe a chibi just sawed it off

[violet sundial]

I mean that asymmetrical motif is pretty common. Lots of stuff in valley is broken the same way

[tepid veldt]

troublemaking gremlin

[violet sundial]

Might be symbolic but idk what of

[slim plume]

Alasdair has a musings fic on AO3 on the Valley Elders. Probably a coincidence but asymmetry was a huge part of that fic, with the Elders wanting the Valley Elders to look 'perfect' and in the end the two embracing their asymmetry. Sure, it's mostly based on their headcanon, but it is something worth considering regarding the Elder's personalities and how that reflects in their realm

[violet sundial]

The valley elders have mirrored masks but the dora elder’s (not sorry ❤️) hair hides it so it might just be allusion to that. Not sure

[earnest briar]

I theorize it’s because the Isle Elder didn’t want to participate in the kidnapping of Light Creatures to create power diamonds, so they broke off from the other Elders and so Isle chose to live more in-tune with the Light until the cataclysm and Isle turning into a desert.

[violet sundial]

We actually had a long discussion about the flight spirits and their rebellion that i think you’d find interesting then i’ll have to dig for it though

[frigid tinsel]

Thank you for mentioning my fic
It’s on AO3 for anyone interested: https://archiveofourown.org/works/40284843
Relevant excerpt

[earnest briar]

I actually read it! Punk Flight Spirits is a funny but fitting interpretation.

[violet sundial]

(Ping off) starts here! Was rlly interesting to talk abt

[violet sundial]

Ayyyyy

[hushed steeple]

Hey I have a theory on Valley Culture! As we see the Two Elders represent two 'factions/cultures' one of them is the Purple Leader, as seen in the banners seen around the valley, and the other one is the Red Leader. As we see, I think East, where the village of dreams is, we often see red banners and red clothing from the spirits inhabiting these lands, with an abundant use of darkstone. However, westward, we find ourselves in the citadel which, in the most part is empty, home of the Purple banners. The place seems levitating and magical, with no sight of darkstone and by evidence of the whale whisperer attuned to nature.

This way, the only true balanced realm was the Valley, hence why whatever divine retribution came upon sky. The place seems wholly intact/well preserved.

[slim plume]

I had to! I absolutely adore your writing, you inspire me to write sometime about Forest Elder since my lore obsession in sky really started with them

[hushed steeple]

Sorry for interrumpting, but I tought it was related to the Valley Elders discussion

[keen shore]

ARE WE TALKING ABT WE ARE ONE AND I AM TWO ITS SO GOOD I LOVE IT SO MUCH

[earnest briar]

It’s actually Blue and Red, not Purple and Red. But I like your theory!

[eternal totem]

So Rhythm troupe is from the west?

[violet sundial]

I’d say they still use plenty of darkstone; the facilities to produce the diamonds are simply elsewhere

[hushed steeple]

East if you take eden as if being north, considering the star theme Eden Crystal could be compared to Polaris, I think

[hushed steeple]

Well that might be true, but we see that they coexist with Mantas seeing as they trust each other to race

[violet sundial]

It’s like how irl the wealthier countries have to rely on developing countries where there’s a lot more suffering to keep themselves as they are

[slim plume]

I think we tend to get side-tracked a lot in this chat, you're fine!

And with how I see the banners, it's more of an imbalance than a perfect balance. The purple banners (which I really see as blue but to each their own) is more prominent than the red. Considering the statue by the Dreams entrance, it seems that the Dora Elder got the short end of the stick. I still believe that the Valley was class divided (the differences between the Citadel architecture and Dreams architecture are apparent enough).

As for why Valley seems mostly undisturbed, I haven't thought that far ahead yet Maybe it's because it was mostly a neutral place since it seems like the area was catered to the general public? There'd be no need for conflict if everyone's happy or at least indifferent to the place

[violet sundial]

They do indeed. Perhaps a good analogy would be… you wouldn’t kill and eat a pet animal like a dog or a cat; but most people hardly think twice about eating a burger because they don’t see what happens to the animals who are slaughtered to make it

[frigid tinsel]

Valley of Triumph is largely above the clouds, which is beyond the reach of the Storm. cold air can also preserve very well, which could be why Valley still looks rather decadent compared the ruinatin around the rest of the kingdom

[violet sundial]

I think a lot of Valley folks would be pretty outraged if they saw what happens to the mantas who are used to produce the diamonds but they don’t because they’re nowhere near any sort of production facility

[hushed steeple]

Well I'd like to compare Valley to the Electric car debate, Wealthy countries are stopping all around using costly means to reduce their emissions (Citadel), whilst poorer and less developped countries are ostracized for being only able to use fossil fuels (Dreams).

[earnest briar]

Aren’t there countries where people eat dogs? By that logic some people wouldn’t care at all that the Mantas are being slaughtered for energy.

[hushed steeple]

One is not necessary evil, but is acheiving their goals without the proper support they should be offering to the other

[frigid tinsel]

gosh, you flatter me good luck on your writing – Sky is ripe ground for great stories. musing about the lore for so long spawned stories, I got a lot of WIPs ongoing. I hope to see yours someday

[hushed steeple]

It'd be like the vegan debate on wether animals can be eaten and stuff

[violet sundial]

It was more of an analogy

Plus it’s not that simple either

Even in countries where that happens there’s a lot of outrage and protest to shut that down

[hushed steeple]

Either way, even if the banner are more bluish it would help one of my other theories. That Enchantement crew is disoriented and hails from the valley

[violet sundial]

Ultimately yes theres going to be ancestors who are indifferent to the suffering of Light Creatures but i’d argue most folks of Valley who consider themselves to like creatures and work with them would be pretty revolted if they saw what happens in Forest with their own eyes. And i also think that electric car debate could also apply really well to Valley

Like i think most folks know mantas are used to produce power diamonds but are never told how horrible the treatment actually is

[earnest briar]

I’m personally for eating meat, but I believe the animals used for that meat should be treated humanely before they’re used for meat. I also think sustainable farming is important. If you want to put it into Sky terms, it’d be like only taking small amounts of Light at a time from Mantas while encouraging the process so that more Mantas are willing to share parts of their Light, meaning people would gain energy but also would not have a steady decline of Manta population over the years.

[violet sundial]

Idrk cus i wasn’t really intending to get into that topic with my analogy

[earnest briar]

Many people irl want the fast and easy way despite the harm it does to the environment. The Darkstone production is like that.

[hushed steeple]

Anyways, I also wanted to present another theory, if you guys want

[earnest briar]

go ahead!

[hushed steeple]

Well I mentioned it bf but I think Enhantement comes from Valley

As we see in Enchantment a combination of purples reds and yellows all colors comming from the color schemes of the valley. We also see a certain duality, they traveled along a darkstone boat yet are able to use their lights to 'heal' the earth. We see their connection to the lights and the theme of falling stars. We also see their architecture ressembling the valley's as we see here:

What do you guys think?

[keen shore]

It’s an interesting idea, although personally I disagree because I believe Enchantment comes from Isle!

[hushed steeple]

Well it'd be suspicious finding any darkstone from Isle Populations, just saying, still they bared a similar style of architecture in the trailer

[violet sundial]

Isle still had boats though. Ones that could fly at that if i’m not mistaken

[keen shore]

There are actually ruins of darkstone boats scattered around Isle! You can even see the darkstone still inside them. As well as whatever opened the doors in the cave of prophecies, although tbf that isn’t directly shown iirc

[violet sundial]

It’s more pertaining to the colored lights, which seem to have origins connecting to the Prophets and the Cave of Prophecies

[hushed steeple]

True

However only valley had the wealth to create the ark, or so I think

[violet sundial]

Perhaps the ark could’ve come from somewhere else… but nonetheless I don’t think the crew would’ve come from valley

[keen shore]

The style of architecture in the switch trailer and on the ark is the exact same, as well as the style of murals; plus enchantments’ clothing is made for the desert (which I personally believe is post desertification isle), as WELL as having the heavy association with colored lights that prophecy also had

I’d have to check to make sure, but on the Instagram post when enchantment was announced, the spirits were mentioned as being “from a desolate land”

hence my theory!

[violet sundial]

Makes me wonder if Isle Elder had sent them

[keen shore]

#news message here’s the post I was talking about! Sorry if it crashes anything, it’s the easiest link I could find.

Although looking back the next post about that seems like it means Wasteland because that’s where they’re found, so that could be it as well

[violet sundial]

Like, a last ditch attempt to do something to save the kingdom, or at least save part of it

[eternal totem]

“Rumored”
What does that imply

[keen shore]

My personal headcanon is that they fled a rapidly desertifying isle to head to vault and record the last remnants of their culture bc everyone was either fleeing or dying. All the seed jars are native plants from Isle, all the memory lanterns inside are recordings of their history, and the colored lights were supposed to be as well but they had to absorb them to survive. And so on.

I don’t have much evidence for it though so this remains purely headcanon

[violet sundial]

Looks like sassy isle drifter has been spreading misinformation on the internet

[slim plume]

Gaslight gatekeeping and girlbossing even in Orbit, they should team up with Crab Whisperer

[keen shore]

My guess on it is that at this point Isle was so isolated from everything else after seceding that barely any people know what’s going on there. So they just see a group of people that look different from anyone they’ve seen before selling magic lights, and they go Oh! Must be from isle

[violet sundial]

This makes me emo immediately

[keen shore]

Same!! I like it because it makes me feel things

[violet sundial]

Like

OUGHOYGHTJTHF WHYYYYYY

The entire enchantment crew needs a big hug

[slim plume]

Stealing that headcanon because I am in a toxic marriage with angst

[violet sundial]

I hc playfighting herbalist was probably the last one to survive

Cus they’re probably pretty good at foraging for food

That would also be really terrible though ;;

Playfight becomes emo in their afterlife along with Botanist

[keen shore]

YES PLEASE DO, I love it when people steal my headcanons

[violet sundial]

Yk what though…. I wonder what botanist and herbalist interaction is like

[keen shore]

Hey Luka, I have another headcanon that makes the situation even more angsty believe it or not

[violet sundial]

Give i need suffering

[keen shore]

Ok so. Since they are on the murals on the forgotten ark we can assume that the enchantment crew and lightseekers were related to some extent. Crab whisperers sapling is also right outside the dock of the boat that leads you to the area. Their memory is also about them trying to find survivors after a shipwreck, implying it was their job to some extent.

Headcanon that crab whisperer only stumbled upon the shipwreck when it was too late to save their friends and had to bury the bodies, hence why you don’t see them

[violet sundial]

That’s just… ouchie

[keen shore]

I also headcanon that the enchantment crew could control the lights to some extent after absorbing them, and after dying, became almost part of them. So the reason the red light is in the shipwreck is because they were calling for their friend

[violet sundial]

Kinda… emotion i can’t describe with the purple light since thats the one that made it to the Vault then

[keen shore]

YEAH 💔

[violet sundial]

I guess carpenter was really set on going there then?

[keen shore]

Also cyan light which I THINK is crab walkers, bc it went back home

[slim plume]

Kind of ironic since they give us the "Snooze" emote

[violet sundial]

Indeed it is crab walks

Coward/j

Delicious headcanons

Actually though… under the ideas of this headcanon would playfight have sent the orange light back to forest as a final act of revenge

After all it was responsible for the forest fires that caused so much trouble to the point where the Forest elder had to use the Blue Light to stop it

And they have a bad temper

[keen shore]

I’m not actually sure. I think it’s like, part of the reasons those lights are there are because of the actual light going there instinctively, and only part of it are the spirits, because I can’t explain them all

[violet sundial]

I think it’s kinda fitting for Playfight to desire to cause property damage to the root cause of Isle’s problems (industrialization and disconnection from light) in a way

[keen shore]

My personal headcanon abt blue light is that it purified the rain of darkness instead of causing it, and in the elders absence the pollution comes back again, BUT if you’re right (because I think that’s the more commonly accepted theory??) it would definitely work

[violet sundial]

Arsonist real

[slim plume]

Maybe the lights just control where they land, with the use of their powers all being from the remnants of the spirits' will/soul

[keen shore]

Oooooooooooooooo…

This is also vaguely related but I scrolled down and apparently crab whjsperer came as a ts literally RIGHT AFTER enchantment got announced, so even though it’s silly I’m taking it and stealing it as evidence

[slim plume]

We always wonder why Crab Whisperer is so unhinged but perhaps it's the fact that they can't seem to get away from the dead people that follow them after they see their corpses

[keen shore]

I’m going to stalk the news channel rq to see if there’s any similar bits about the first four seasons bc I wasn’t there for them

Update: The only ones that really have information are rhythm’s and belonging’s, which is all stuff we knew already. Oh well!

[slim plume]

Damn 😔

[violet sundial]

I think one little tidbit from mischief i found interesting though is that like

[keen shore]

I’m doing the same for the next seasons and nothing new, but I’m cackling at the tonal whiplash between sanctuary and prophecy’s seasonal announcements

[violet sundial]

Provoking performer is probably practicing crab dodging or something

Something along the lines of “not letting oneself be provoked”

Which i just think is interesting. Theres not much to say on it but that’s how Gratitude has always been

[keen shore]

Sanctuary: look forward to this retreat themed season based off a summer vacation! 😊
Prophecy: undertake the CHILLING trials in the OMINOUS isle cave in this upcoming season. beware the prophecy beware the prophecy beware the prophecy beware the prophecy beware the prophecy beware the prophecy beware the prophecy

[tepid veldt]

that prophecy seems kinda sus

[violet sundial]

beware the cheese prophecy

[keen shore]

like come on it’s just a cave with some cool wall art it’s not that scary!!

[slim plume]

Idk guys I think they want us to be aware of the future vision that so happens to be in a cave you access via portal

[violet sundial]

The prophets will do everything in their power to make it terrifying for you

[slim plume]

Fire trial my beloathed

[keen shore]

Everyone in Sky seems terrified of the cave of prophecies for no good reason even if they don’t know what the trials are. It’s even described as ominous in the second performance quest

[tepid veldt]

i wonder how the prophets feel about that

[violet sundial]

They’ll stick googly eyes on your face and you’ll never know who did it. They will turn you and your friends against each other

Also i’d argue that you might be traumatized by any of the trials

Like don’t tell me repeatedly having visions of drowning in ice cold water or free falling into the endless void WOULDN’T be scary

[frigid tinsel]

one of my skykid OCs has hydrophobia from doing Water Trial solo, I know the vibes

[slim plume]

To be fair, Isle is isolated from the kingdom enough. To have four spirits (the leader of said spirits being unnaturally tall) that wear animal masks and work in a cave would probably get you a lot of stereotypes

[keen shore]

It WOULD BE, but for whatever reason, these only sometimes get mentioned as the scary part. It’s like the cave is supposed to be equally scary or something, which is super weird. It’s kinda cozy to me in fact

[violet sundial]

Storyteller is just a weakling smh/j

[frigid tinsel]

perhaps to skykids who are used to open sunny skies, an enclosed dark cave would be forboding

[violet sundial]

Furries are indeed very scary and ominous.

[slim plume]

HELP BAVDHBDBDJDJ

[keen shore]

Candlemakers cave is described as welcoming though which makes it even funnier, cave discrimination

[frigid tinsel]

the sun still comes in tho, it's actually a pleasant light blue

[violet sundial]

#cavediscrimination

[slim plume]

Caveist????

[tepid veldt]

get those caveists outta here

[frigid tinsel]

let's not push it

[keen shore]

there’s also no evidence that skykids are scared of the cave in daylight prairie, even having set up a hideout there, or vault. it’s definitely possible though.

which implies that the cave of prophecies is the only one that gets ragged on for being scary

[violet sundial]

Alr srry!

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea and comes out from the shadows
I think Thoughtful director and the Previous traveling spirit are secretly related.

[slim plume]

Maybe some skid(s) have beef with the Prophecy Guide and/or the prophecy spirits. I know my skid would have beef with Air Prophet and Fire Prophet

[violet sundial]

Honestly though i was thinking for Personal Lore

How easy would clearing the trials actually be… i feel like every death feels pretty real

[untold notch]

water trial sucks if youre chibi

[keen shore]

Okay back up a little. How in the world do you have beef with fire prophet of all people, they’re just a dad. Does your skykid also have beef with chill sunbather

[violet sundial]

So i feel like most skykids and ancestors alike come out of the trials mentally scarred whether they clear it or not

[violet sundial]

Not if you’re The Chibi!

[untold notch]

i have never cleared fire trial solo fun fact! ive only ever done it with friends i am Directionally Challenged

[tepid veldt]

when you die in the trials youre either extinguished or get dropped into void, so it would make sense

[violet sundial]

The Chibi:

[slim plume]

Moth me spent 3+ hours completing the fire trial. Alone. With no guide.

To this day I still can't not cheat Fire Trial. I hate it with a passion

[tepid veldt]

i often go with my friends to do trials, but since im insane, i do them without glitches. (minus fire trial but whatever)
i get left behind a lot

[graceful oasis]

Me as a nerd that just does the trials normally

[pastel brook]

You'll keep trying until you make it through, right @graceful oasis?

[violet sundial]

Okok abyss (joke) theory

What if the spirits are actually gathering resources to appease The Chibi, who will eat them all alive if they do not please It

[graceful oasis]

Chibis are accidentally gremlin gods

[tepid veldt]

The Chibi is a hushed up elder that is finally making their return

[keen shore]

yeah definitely, I personally think that the reason so many ancestors failed was out of fear instead of fully dying. So they’re all supposed to test courage and determination as a side thing to the main traits they each have

[tepid veldt]

yall make me laugh, im grateful for it

[slim plume]

Vault has finally snapped. They took the Valley Elder's advice and went "apeshHONK"

[violet sundial]

Also to make it worse it’s freezing cold water

Irl it can basically make you drown basically instantly bc of cold shock response and while skykids wouldn’t experience the same thing gosh it would be unpleasant

[tepid veldt]

insert nod nitro emote here

no nitro moment

[violet sundial]

Man

[slim plume]

Maybe it'd feel painless, since it'd be their core instantaneousely snuffing out? Then again, one second the water's barely above your ankles and the next you're suddenly engulfed in darkness as you feel your very essence just ""

[violet sundial]

Could be

Ancestors would have it worse by far though

[eternal totem]

Kirby

[slim plume]

Kirby mentality of "If I eat the thing I'll gain its powers" but in this case it'd be Cannoneer's cosmetics

[eternal totem]

Guide screaming HCs (LOUD)

[tepid veldt]

obtain cannoneer drip

[violet sundial]

Me @ prophecy guide

[frigid tinsel]

I've actually written about my light = warmth and darkness = cold thoery in regards to why the Water Trial instantly extinguished skykids: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
And: #lore-discussion-spoilers message

[violet sundial]

Yesss i think the same thing

[fierce urchin]

• assembly guide:fnaf jumscares

[slim plume]

I appreciate the Dreams guide sounding like a k-drama actress screaming when the love interest has just undergone something harrowing in the series

Also the Sr. Pelo scream for Assembly Guide

[violet sundial]

Abyss guide running like an anime girl but screaming like a middle aged man is amazing tbh

[frigid tinsel]

third frozen memory poem just dropped

Soft wings flowing to bright beacons
Drawn from the path, trusting until too late
Bound in a merciless harness
Soft wings despairing against stone

[violet sundial]

Sounds like it has to do with darkstone production

[tepid veldt]

that’s what i was thinking

[violet sundial]

Boom taco bell react

[sharp lichen]

Void of Shattering is just a guttural nothingness

[keen shore]

Important: manta wings are described as soft which opens up the possibility that they are covered with very short and velvety fur, like a dog’s ears

[violet sundial]

Can i hold them

[tepid veldt]

wooly manta

[eternal totem]

Wooly manta real

[slim plume]

Also perhaps the bells. "Drawn from the path, trusting too late" can refer to the fact that Forest and Prairie have bell systems that summon light creatures. Maybe in the past they were used to draw light creatures toward them for Darkstone production (we know that bells/chimes can draw light creatures in, from both Sanctuary and Flight)

[eternal totem]

They definitely were used to be, which is why the bells at Sanctuary are scattered

[frigid tinsel]

Reposting my theory

I had a theory that the belltower is disassembled when the Sanctuary Islands are first discovered is cos Sanctuary guide didn't want the bells to be used to poach light creatures. there's this bit of one of the murals in Treasure Reef that show ancestors using chimes(?) to attract mantas to use in their experiments. we also see the bells in Forest boneyard and Prairie Village used to attract light creatures. the bells in the Sanctuary tower can attract light creatures too as shown by the quests, up to the largest light creatures by far.

now knowing there's a precedent for using bells/chimes to attract light creatures for power diamond production, Sanctuary guide could have disassembled and hidden the bells so nobody could use the bells for said nefarious purpose. maybe attracting light creatures was something the Sanctuary Islands did for tourists up until that point, hence the other spirits.

the quest hints say that they "forgot" or "couldn't remember" where the bells went, yet we see hints painted around the Islands toward their locations. perhaps Sanctuary guide left those hints for someone in the future to reassemble the belltower. or even left the hints for themself, having wiped their own memories of where they placed the bells so they wouldn't give the location away if interrogated.

Slouching Soldier shows that ancestors knew dark water could impact their memories and there's a polluted geyser not far from where Sanctuary guide stands

[eternal totem]

Yeah I was referring to this!

[slim plume]

"Trusting too late" makes it sadder because the mantas probably wanted to say hello and then were "Bound in a merciless harness"

[keen shore]

The part about “soft wings despairing against stone” really gets me because it implies they’re still conscious and experiencing things while trapped within the petrified stone shells. I Don’t Like That

[slim plume]

Also "bright beacons" in the first line makes me think of the Eden diamond. Maybe the mantas were in the same situation as the first memory jellyfishes?

I.e. the last two lines would be metaphorical instead of literal. "Bound in a merciless harness" could mean being trapped by the explosion from the Eden diamond, "Soft wings despairing against stone" probably in reference to the red crystal darkstone littered throughout Eden

[frigid tinsel]

I assume that since the shards are from the Eden diamond, every frozen memory are of beings that were trapped inside it during its creation or corruption

[rigid mural]

books on the geographer's island in the starlight desert...

notice how the creatures only appear on the last illustration when the star atop the mountain shines the brightest ?

[frigid tinsel]

A dying star about to go supernova brightens before it explodes

[slim plume]

With how many mantas are in the memory, perhaps that's all the mantas (possibly even more) that were killed to make the Eden diamond

[tepid veldt]

breaking news: manta population exterminated to create a diamond that throws temper tantrums

[blazing nova]

I wish the poems were integrated into the game somehow

[slim plume]

Would have made the season have a more 'lore vibe' that people were hoping, but I'm glad that we even got something other than just the memories. Otherwise I'm pretty sure we'd be very lost by what it all meant by now

[rigid mural]

Maybe it was a last ditch effort to bring light back to the realms after the industry caused so much darkness to go rogue ? but it backfired by drawing in and killing light creatures...

[sharp lichen]

Some people would still be disappointed even with the poems in-game

[slim plume]

Yoinking this

[eternal totem]

I definitely wouldn’t have been, with the poems I actually got to appreciate those memories more than the initial testing period. If they only communicated this beforehand

[rigid mural]

I hope the poems will be in the artbook alongside the Shattering concept art, it would be so cool if it did double duty of also giving us as much confirmed canon lore as we got so far. Would spare me the headache on scouring social media posts from 2016 /hj

[raw crypt]

mfw i create a diamond to negate the light lost and light creatures still die by it

[tepid veldt]

i remember being so excited for the possibility of eden lore, and then got caught up with the “oh my god the world is blowing up” very fast

[raw crypt]

I think it would’ve been cool if like. Do you know how the camera pans around the new seasonal area and such at the start of a season, I think they could’ve done that for each new memory with the text at the bottom reciting the poem

[tepid veldt]

or perhaps that as the after quest cutscene

[frigid tinsel]

Wonder who would be speaking then?

[eternal totem]

The souls of the damned

[rigid mural]

Do we really need a narrator that's withing the universe ?

[eternal totem]

Absolutely off the walls but it would be crazier if it was once our memory being recovered, reciting the poem

[frigid tinsel]

I was thinking back to the question of who’s speaking in the Isle intro caves but I don’t have the headspace to discuss that rn

[keen shore]

I know who would narrate them I think but I don’t know if I can say who bc of beta implications 😔

[eternal totem]

See you in a couple of months

[keen shore]

it’s either Megabird or candlemaker, no in between, and that’s hilarious to me

[eternal totem]

Candlemaker seems like a goofy fella to me

[keen shore]

They’re a friend <3

[rigid mural]

YUKI KAJI ???

[sharp lichen]

Void of shattering??

[keen shore]

YAIRIWOEOFLWJDFNM

[raw crypt]

YUKI KAJI NARRATES EVERYTHING

[rigid mural]

yuki kaji is to entertainment media what david attenborough is to nature documentaries

[slim plume]

PLEASE I WAS OBSESSED WITH NATURE DOCUMENTARIES AS A KID AND PRACTICALLY WORSHIPPED EVERY DOCUMENTARY THAT HAD DAVID ATTENBOROUGH'S VOICE IN IT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND

[limber palm]

What if resh (Alef/Eden king) was trying to kill the megabird to have control of everything

[violet sundial]

Probably not because I’m pretty sure killing megabird would kill them too

[raw crypt]

resh

[limber palm]

I mean, maybe that’s why he created the storm

[violet sundial]

Megabird is the like. Collective consciousness of every single light creature, and the King is most definitely a skykid as shown through the season of prophecy murals

[limber palm]

Huh I always thought he was part of the elders, not an adult or grandpa but part of their kin

Also there’s this mural about king being elder like

[violet sundial]

The king mightve been the same skykid that fell to the ground in Ushering Stargazer’s memory

[keen shore]

The entire thing is foggy because she’s called the Eden elder several times but is also heavily implied to be a skykid (just without the cape) in the prophecy murals

[limber palm]

Yeah

[violet sundial]

^^

[keen shore]

Like, the symbol used to depict her in the first pic is the exact same as the one for skykids without the WL one on top

[limber palm]

This mural also is a lot more about the duality like:
Is it a picture of resh being kind and chill or is it a depiction of the creation of the eye of Eden

[violet sundial]

It’s probably a picture of the diamonds intended purpose

[limber palm]

Yeah you guys are probably right, but why screw up the whole world then?

[frigid tinsel]

Eden diamond prob wasn’t supposed to ruin the world

[violet sundial]

Possibly to spread infinite Light

And i think they didn’t mean to at all, but somehow they made it happen

[limber palm]

Also, does anyone have a clue about how does the leviathan fits in all of this?

[frigid tinsel]

Science experiment gone wrong

[violet sundial]

It’s a dark creature. So it was probably corrupted by the Bad Industrial Practices of Wasteland

[cobalt palm]

There was a concept design with the king and leviathan in, what looked like an undestroyed Eden summit

[violet sundial]

Maybe the leviathan was a creature of light at some point then? Can u show this concept art

[rigid mural]

This ?

[cobalt palm]

This
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632004389137154048/963777170776395846/194_Sky.jpg

[limber palm]

But, why do dark creatures only originate because of bad industrial habits? I mean, in the switch trailer there’s a sneak peace of what the kindoms were pre storm and there were crabs there

[violet sundial]

Darkness was always there; pulling light out of its cycle by killing it to produce the diamonds let it loose in a way

[rigid mural]

Maybe darkness was here naturally but not to such a harmful scale, kinda like how deer themselves arent harmful, but without the predaton of wolves to keep them in check, they can do serious damage to their environment !

[cobalt palm]

My theory was that there were natural light/dark areas of the world, and by spreading too much light the ancestors pushed the darkness to only certain areas

[limber palm]

I always thought dark creatures were somehow a counterpart to the light ones. Krills to whales butterflies to crabs, the leviathan to the megabird etc.

[violet sundial]

Crabs were always kind of ambiguous imo

Like i wonder sometimes if they’re actually dark creatures or if they’re more.. neutral?

[limber palm]

Maybe krills only absorbed light of the corpses of already dead light creatures and they started to be constantly hungry because of the storm

[violet sundial]

I personally think krills were created by the industry process as a result of the waste products left behind by the drained creatures

[cobalt palm]

In the switch trailer, the crabs also had "Bells on heads", maybe they're upset because the ancestors took all their natural "chimes"

[violet sundial]

The crabs used bells to summon birds and mantas to carry them into the sky so they could get a taste of flying

[slim plume]

They really are portrayed as neutral (See: Enchantment Cave Murals), and in areas with fire and/or lack of darkness plants they're friendly towards our sky kids (Sunset Island in Sanctuary, a few crabs near the Wasteland graveyard bonfire, Office [it's not canon but it is a good place to find neutral crabs])

[frigid tinsel]

wouldn't reallly be "neutral" if they're only passive cos they too have light

[cobalt palm]

Yeah, they only seem to be an issue when they gather in large groups

[violet sundial]

What if crabs are normally light creatures that just have shells

[violet sundial]

Then again the switch trailer… maybe not i dunno whats going on there

[cobalt palm]

There was a mention in one of the talks that if a crab got "too far ahead" the other crabs would "pull them back", so I could see why big groups of crabs are more "crabby"

[violet sundial]

I think this concept art lives on via the Eden Diamond.

[limber palm]

The problem with speculating all of this is that we don’t know if the elders are still with the same characterization as the concept game, they might not be, and the king is just a cartoonish villain who wants control of everything and started messing with the biology of things and even trying to supplant megabird with the storm of even the leviathan. Maybe they are, and this was all a complicated accident involving industrial habits and the leviathan is just a big fish and the kingdom is reconstructing. I’m of the opinion of the first scenario since the themes of sky are very different than the early concepts (not meaning the elders are innocent, they scapegoat daleth)

[violet sundial]

I’ll elaborate on this more later i need to go do stuff and i. Don’t feel like it rn whoops

[limber palm]

We could be getting this lore on shattering but we’re getting information on how the Eden diamond and the storm were created, not why or by who

Nothing especially wrong with it, just what’s happening

[cobalt palm]

Maybe the how will lead to a great revealing twist when/if the who and why is revealed.

[frigid tinsel]

there's a thought that the king/Chosen One was a failed Hero's Journey – a single skykid sent to save the kingdom but failed despite their best efforts, in fact imploding.

[limber palm]

Yeah maybe. I honestly want a show so badly out of this game. IT WOULD FIT SO WELL

[slim plume]

There's that sky animated series coming in- [Gets locked inside a vault memory cube]

[cobalt palm]

From the performance season Isle stories, it seems that a dimming star that a child wished upon, and with its final light, lit the way to the cave of prophecy where it eas foretold, the child would be the first to succeed.

One of the other stories tells of a star that was dimming and descended to become a child, shining brighter than the moon.
By the ushering stargazers memories, that could be the same child.
But there were around 4 children who made Isle their home by those stories.

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[hushed steeple]

Do any of you know what is those things and what they are used for?

[frigid tinsel]

possibly molds for power diamonds

[sharp lichen]

Sky- the musical

[sharp lichen]

I think the Performance Stories are just exaggerated versions of the things we did as Skykids

[violet sundial]

Megabird peep marshmallow

[haughty talon]

What if including the realm elders all are basically fallen stars, every one of them. Some of them stayed back to help others ascend and join back the cycle. Some of them ended up being the leaders/head or each realm. Some were possibly more exploitive than others which eventually started the downfall - breaking the cycle of light creatures(including normal folks that hold light inside them) ascending to orbit. We the current sky kids are yet another attempt at fixing the conveyor belt to orbit...

[hushed steeple]

Krill?
*it's from tgc yt channel

[haughty talon]

I guess the current shard memory place shows evolution or creation of the animals and other creatures of Sky. But so far hasn't shown how elders/ancestors came to be... So may be more intelligent creatures were always bits and pieces of fallen stars that eventually merge back. While animals, birds insects sort of grow out of the world and join the cycle?

[languid island]

But now the poem is again published, and it seems that these mantas were lured here and trapped inside stone, so inside these are living ones?

[hushed steeple]

Well it would explain the existance of memory mantas

[fierce urchin]

*(hc and theory) ok so; so yk how we never get those injuries in the game? and we dont see our plasma-made-internal-specific-red-juice? what if its liquid flames ||im going more and more insane whenever i talk here,,||

[keen shore]

That would be so cool. I’ve seen a bunch of different headcanons on what the skykid equivalent to blood would be, the most likely to be canon is sunbeams (alasdairs) but I struggle imagining it as anything non-liquid, so personally I like to think it’s magma (aka liquid version of their shell)

[rigid mural]

i like to think it would be like a kind of smoke but light, though i dont think they can bleed, just get wounded enough for holes to be torn in their shell & for light to poke out

[keen shore]

Oooooo glowing smoke would also be cool! I’m gonna assume you mean gas instead of a more fire like appearance

[fickle wing]

i made an oc thats like a funny little skykid light vampire so that got me thinking abt like. The equivalent of blood 4 stuff like skykids n stuff and basically i hc em as being like hollow and. Full of this liquid light thing that’s all warm n stuff
they’re like light gushers

skykid cracks their knuckles. They start glowing like glow stick

[calm jay]

i like to think that skykids run like very hot inside, so if they get injured the wound would automatically be cauterized so nothing would bleed out.
i think if the blood were to spill, it would either be wax (boring answer) or magma like salem said

[keen shore]

YEAH i try to imagine the sunbeam idea because it’s super cool but whenever I think about skykids getting injured this is all I can imagine

[raw crypt]

honestly my brain swaps between viscous and not viscous light internally, cant decide- but I also have it that skykids like. its not just shell and then light theres like… membrane doesnt feel like the right word but yKNOW?
just so cracks and the like arent leaking out, gotta have the oc aesthetics LOL

[frigid tinsel]

I think the light inside them is just immaterial and only has a form when it’s being manipulated, like when projected out as clothing or being taken by another skykid. So the light inside skykids is formless in a neutral state and would just shine out holes in their shell like sunbeams

[untold notch]

I like that

[sweet fiber]

heya lore first time dropping a theory / bringin up a topic here but lookin through abyss i kinda just noticed how ‘out of place’ this specific fish looks..

i think it may be a spirit? kinda like the turtle it leaves behind a trail but it feels out of space / ‘special’ as no other creature in treasure reef does this, may be the lighting possibly but seeing it next to other fish it still looks different and keeps that lightish blue (even outside of the building/not in deeper water)

a spirit fish or just a unique lookin fish?..

closest thing to it is the fish in the deeper water

would really like to know about this fish a bit more

[rigid mural]

@nimble ingot your blorbo

[dawn owl]

Just doing trials for the first time in a long time. And I could be wrong but I noticed that there’s pillars now in front of the cave and I’ve never seen them before have they always been here or is it purposely “rebuilding itself “

[rigid mural]

They've always been here yes !

[nimble ingot]

ah, that old fossil 🙂

That there has a history in the game and one I refuse to believe it would be an accident.

Back in the days of Light Awaits, that creature used to be huge. About the size of the big fish/whale in the game. It was very elusive though, but some of the old playthrough videos that caught a glimpse of it during the beta confirmed it did exist.
It was later on replaced by the whale, which either implies it would have been a whale in the game, or a different type of light creature.
I propose that it could be a light dragon though.

The reason for that is because there is concept art that references this shy creature of the clouds that progresses with the skykid up to Eden. That, or they supposedly were foreshadowing for the eden fight with the King.
This in turn suggests they are like the dark dragons, though that is difficult to confirm since the game changed so much since then.

While I may not be able to show this other fact, there is what I like to call 'forbidden lore' of this creature being shown in the Abyss season area, during its beta, that was its original size and swimming around the island.
This has been supposedly been the placeholder for the 'leviathan/gregory/big guy' of the season area.

Fortunately, the devs were kind enough to allow this creature to return to the game.
For some it is but a strange creature that you can encounter in Sky.
For others, is a fascinating nod to the past of the game, and one that supposedly wont be forgotten. Just changed.

[nimble ingot]

Thanks Vela.

Just to show a few examples (note the wasteland one has it hiding in the clouds).

https://youtu.be/5ZK3W7q0BtY?list=PLRTBVhU4gY5y61dHlzooaIbge8ACLLQUn&t=588

Watch the exit of the cloud tunnel carefully for this one.

[sweet fiber]

ooooohhhh! i see, this being a ‘counterpart’ to the dark dragons or light dragon -> dark dragon is such a cool thought.. but in itself that is such a cool creature and glad i took notice of it, didn’t know it had more history though and curious about what it’s lore purpose would be now.. is it essentially a baby ver of the light await’s larger version? it’s own creature now (dragon)? baby whale? assumin that’s up to speculation?

[upper heart]

Dark dragons are just krills though? Or am I misunderstanding?
I mean in old concept art it says that dark dragons were just corrupted by the storm. My own theory so far has been that the whales are the light dragons, just older. But that theory has a lot of holes and I can recognize as much.

[nimble ingot]

Dark dragons are the creatures' canon name.
Though the fanbase has dubbed the Krill, which stuck ever since.

[upper heart]

Ok so yes. I did just misunderstand the sentence structure

[halcyon oxide]

So we have krill, jellyfish, and manta rays. Those all stay under water. And we just kinda all float like we r under water a lot of the time. Are the sky kids something out of freakin, SpongeBob? We got water under water?? Fire under water????

Plus the whales and turtles and fish and such

AND CRABS!!

[graceful oasis]

The answer, Yes

[fierce urchin]

*just imagining a non skykid needing somethign tk look in the dark and a skykid just pops their entire body and is now a whole flashlight

[round parrot]

Lore chat

Idk if this has been mentioned

But 3rd memory has a poem now

"Soft wings flowing to bright beacons

Drawn from the path, trusting until too late

Bound in a merciless harness

Soft wings despairing against stone"

[tepid veldt]

ye we were talking abt it earlier want me to find a link?
found it anyway since i wanna read it again

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

[round parrot]

Also, I kinda want to know the answer for this (OC purposes)

But do Skykids inherently have feelings? Or do they learn it from spirits?

[fierce urchin]

*i like to this its both

[keen shore]

First, most likely.

The idea (it’s a really common one unfortunately) that skykids don’t have emotion before they learn to express it does unfortunately have roots in ableist concepts

[fierce urchin]

*honk

[uncut pond]

Did you mean "show" emotion as "have" or as "express" emotion? Sorry my english is a bit rusty

[keen shore]

I meant have! I probably meant to type that as well, but got distracted… fixed for clarity!

[uncut pond]

Oh alright, I just wanted to be sure I understood correctly

On a different note, when was it that the new season quest came out? I took a 2 days "break" (forgot about the game) from Sky and now I'm confused as to if the quest came out today or yesterday
But either way, anyone got thoughts on the WL in the ancient memory? I must admit it seriously caught me off guard, and I think it could be seen as a sign of the WL (and skids) possibly being the King/Chosen One, that's if all these memories are from before the Eden calamity at least

Also found the poem really interesting. Could it be related to the Elder temples or maybe the place of worship in Prairie?
Or could it be that the Diamond/Eden Beam was created purposefully to attract creatures? This could also be seen as evidence of the Flight gang being rebels who created the wind paths to prevent light creatures from being captured and used by the realms (I forgot who came up with this theory but it was someone from here)

[keen shore]

The quest came out today! I don’t really have energy for theoryposting rn so just letting you know

[uncut pond]

Oh I see, I was asking mostly out of curiosity, thank you either way

That said I'm still in disbelief about an actual WL inside the ancient memories, those things are everywhere, you can't escape them

[floral grove]

I forgot to check yesterday but doess someone remember where the 3rd memory WL was looking at? I heard they always face Eden so I wonder where they were looking at when inside the memories where Eden is nowhere to be found

[frigid tinsel]

would love if someone were able to figure out what direction the frozen memories were facing. yall can't even see Eden in there

[twilit blade]

Unrelated but I deeply enjoyed how you spoke of this long fish child like a true paleontologist as if it were descended from the ancient dragons above and evolved into the small long fish child overtime that we now see

[rigid mural]

Could use the questgiver as a point of reference; facing the mantas with your back to the QG, mantas seem to go from right to left for example !

[keen shore]

The thing is that we don’t know where the questgiver is in this reference either😔

[frigid tinsel]

I have a thought that winged light manifests wherever skykids frequent. so if a lot of skykids pass by the same spot, a winged light will show up, which could attract more skykids to a place at the word that a winged light shows up there, causing more winged light to manifest there, and so on. frozen memories seem to be places not exempt from that rule and a lot of skykids are showing up in frozen memories now

[floral grove]

Curse those Sky Kids for that one WL in the valley flight race

[keen shore]

I KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT I WAS JUST RANTING ABOUT IT I HATE IT SO MUCH I HATE IT SO MUCH I HATE IT SO MUCH I HATE IT SO MUCH I HATE IT SO MUCH I HATE IT SO MUCH I HATE IT SO MUCH I HATE IT SO MUCH

[cyan jacinth]

there are poems for the anicent memories?

[calm jay]

in #vault-of-socials

[cyan jacinth]

Oh, those poor creatures-

Honestly, seeing how the Spirits treated the creatures of light, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they would've taken advantage of the Sky Kids and their eternal flame

[outer hare]

Bobbit ^^

[warped venture]

Is this max size???

[half zealot]

I’ve just noticed; this is on the temple doors, right outside of the forest elder’s temple

Isn’t that nifty…

[twilit blade]

Forest Elder's old mask

[calm jay]

yes! that's forest elder's old mask from some concept art

[half zealot]

Huh!! Neat!

[calm jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/1004762407798841384/IMG_20220804_224533.jpg
this was the forest elder
it didn't embed :')

[haughty talon]

(ping off) so void is some kind of different dimension. That is opened by the big Red crystal? 🤔

May be the stable version initially was so big and bright like a star that it warped space around it?

May be like black hole it once used to attract things into it and trapped everything there, consuming the light from everything inside and throwing the light out (like screenshot below). Until all that was left inside there was the little glowing kid alone

[dusky sequoia]

That fish for sure is different than others. It doesnt fill our light energy when we swim nearby, but leaves a trail of oxygen+light particles behind it which we can use

[tepid veldt]

you could say its…fishy

[languid island]

Does anyone have a readable version of the ages=realms poster that we see in the Office, it is not readable there. Or do we know what the texts say?

[rigid mural]

Aren't we always facing the same way in memory when we just came in here ? Maybe that's just the way it's supposed to be seen.

[fair knot]

Just me or in this new memories mantas sounds like metal when we step on them? Crabs sounded like stone o.o

[dry ivy]

I know I’m probably super late to this, but I just read the manta poem. So, yep...Spirits used bells to lure them and trap them inside power stones

[dry ivy]

Oh wow! So that’s what that unique blue fish is. I’ve been curious as to why it looks so different compared to the other fish

[dry ivy]

I’ve envisioned it as sorta of a “liquid light” myself. Silvery or golden light that has a liquid quality (maybe for extra cool factor it can kinda float in the air a bit?)

[dry ivy]

I like to think maybe the Forest Elder has an affinity for foxes, and that’s why it’s there

(Another Sky animal idea to put with my Light Deer idea: grey or black foxes with glowing blue eyes)

[naive sequoia]

Never thought I'd live to see the day we'd get manta lore

[cloud sparrow]

did the darkness plants exist before the storm?

[sharp lichen]

We really don’t know, but I’m betting (around 60-40) that there was no dark plants

[dry ivy]

Yeah, in conflicted on whether they were originally a harmonious part of the Light ecosystem or a horrible parasite the Spirits invented (purposefully or accidentally)

[nimble ingot]

That is a good question.
Despite the plants appearing in the realms, in spirit memories and part of the shard events. There is not much evidence proving that the spirits interacted with the dark plants before the stars fell.
Not even a mural can be found showing the plants.

However, a krill can be seen in a handful of murals.

[sharp lichen]

One thing to notice is that the krills are incredibly detailed compared to the rest of the murals, so maybe they were added later?

[earnest briar]

’oh honk my dudes we made a monstrosity, better put in detailed pictures of this monster we created to show how cool it is lol’

[cloud sparrow]

ah, cool! thanks for your answer!

[hushed steeple]

I remember a doc saying that there was a time when Light and Dark coexisted?
I also think that Light on its own is blinding, and darkness on its own is desperation. So I feel like there would have been some sort of balance that tipped towards darkness and that's what caused the kingdom to fall.

[keen shore]

I don’t know what doc that is, but that information is unconfirmed speculation, jsyk

[rigid mural]

chat is dead, post crab whisperer when they least expect it

[keen shore]

taking them to the vet

[rigid mural]

something is so wrong with them

[frigid tinsel]

Flight crew needs to give them a bath too

[keen shore]

oh so THATS how they all died

[rigid mural]

HELP

[keen shore]

Like this post if you would put out a bowl of food and a heated box for shelter out for crab whisperer

Shush does this ^

[rigid mural]

You know, I really enjoy exploring the main island on foot, it's surprisingly pleasant. There's a bunch of holes and caves one could lay a bed and put their stuff in, maybe the Wind Paths sometimes hosted travellers !
This could mean they could use some of the water here to wash themselves, I think the water on Light Whisperer's island is likely for reeducating mantas that got mobility difficulties but the water on the main island has some buckets lying around, so maybe the ancestors used it for themselves.

[earnest briar]

Light Whisperer has those little pool floaties for the Mantas to use and play with

[rigid mural]

YEAH
rubber ducky !

[keen shore]

YEAH! Also it makes sense that they’d need to give light creatures baths sometimes, so they’d need the water anyways. Obviously they’d need it to survive if they work like thst as well but

[earnest briar]

I hc that Light Creatures were often used as the basis of stuffed toys, like how we use creatures like dogs and cats. So it wasn't uncommon to have lost Manta plushies found in the Coliseum accidentally left behind by children tired by all the excitement from the races.

Basically give us the Manta plushies, TGC you cowards. I want to poke their heads and hear them go 'woo' and cry cause it's cute.

[earnest briar]

speaking of water, I wonder if Dark Water can be filtered and turned into drinking water, or at least water that doesn't kill you when you stand in it.

[frigid tinsel]

Would have to separate the darkness from the water somehow. Perhaps a filter that could let water pass but catch the darkness

[untold notch]

in the case of that one tlp spirit I think the opposite is done although I wonder what they would use to make that dark water

[rigid mural]

there's a lost and found section in the area specifically for lost stuffed toys, and it's framed as a lost pet thing so kids can claim their plushie back

[earnest briar]

You. You get it.

I've taken to naming the Mantas after fruits. I've done most of the Vault Mantas and the one Manta in Wasteland who is constantly getting attacked by the Krill. There's Cherry, Guava, Mango, Blackberry, Banana, Melon, and F To Pay Respect (you can probably guess who that one is lol).

[keen shore]

This headcanon combined with velas (couldn’t figure out who to reply to) is making me tear up its so cute. But imagine… us finding one of them left behind, I would actually cry

[rigid mural]

plush prop like the fox from TLP but it's a manta doll

[eternal totem]

Repost this cat with considerable delay

[keen shore]

holy image

[frigid tinsel]

“Cat”

[rigid mural]

tbh crab whisperer my beloved

[earnest briar]

I drew Crab Whisperer's cape for my school's yearly fundraising dish towel project where every student draws something and it's put on the dish towel.

I just really like their cape lol.

[violet sundial]

Tbh creature pizza but crab whisperer

[graceful oasis]

Crab pizza

[nimble ingot]

eyo, who here is new to the chat and would like to ask about the lore?

[keen shore]

Me, I’ve never been in lorechat before /j

[next terrace]

Im missing a few gaps so

[nimble ingot]

What would you like to know?

[next terrace]

Anything and everything

[nimble ingot]

That is a hefty question to answer, and one that one can explore with Discord's search function.

Is there anything in particular you like me to explain about?

[fierce urchin]

*ok so i noticed rhat some spirits have other spirits in the memory, but those other spirits' memories dont have the other. (idk how to explain it, but ex the spirit in the valley throne room) and if the memories are the last memories, then doesnt that mean there was atleast 2 eden explosions or whatever eden dod to the spirits?

[nimble ingot]

It is possible for spirits to make appearances in each other memories, or season cutscenes.
This may suggest these spirits have existed in the same time period.

As for the Eden explosion, there is evidence to suggest there has been one explosion, where the stars fell and darkness had spread.

It is likely that these spirit memories are not their last memories. These memories can either be moments the spirits held dear to them and bound their spirit to the area, trapped in reliving their memories until the skykids come to guide them to Orbit.
Once the skykids befriended the spirits, the skykids can help ascend them, and the spirit can help the skykid in turn to find other spirits.
In the past, the game would let skykids relive memories only once, now a days skykids can relive memories multiple times, which may mean it is the skykids just reliving the moment with the spirit.

[torn eagle]

Actually ive been long wanting to ask

Any theories/thoughts regarding starlight desert? What its existence is or how it came to be? Or anything at all?

[round parrot]

Alright Myst is back with another lore question: Why are Skykids here, in the Sky world, starting all the way back to when the "king" dropped in? If for no reason? Why make them fall? Or are they the manifestation of the kingdom starting to fall?

[nimble ingot]

Upon entering the area, the description for it comes up "where dream like worlds collide"

The season was part of a collaboration where the story of the Little Prince is retold in the world of Sky. The Little Prince himself may be true to the book, and thus a guest and an exception to the canon lore and logic of Sky. However, one can consider the season spirits to be at the least partially included in the lore (if not fully like any other season spirit).
The stories of each spirit related to a realm and a vice. As a side note, the chains on the spirit may be a reference to a different fable (a Christmas Carol) where the chains represent the spirits being bound by their vices.

Since the area is outside of Vault, it difficult to pinpoint where exactly the area is in relation to the world of Sky.
One can though deduce it is either on the other side of the Eden mountain (though as close to it as the Wasteland is), or a place on the mountain.
Given the name implies is is where dream like worlds collide, the areas may have shifted from (or were warped from) their original location/state.

[dry ivy]

The wind tunnels are definitely one of may favorites for this reason. I feel like my Skid could just...live there.

And I love how it focuses on helping and interacting with the Light Creatures

[torn eagle]

Hmm, interesting

Do you have anything regarding the spirits and their relation to realms

[nimble ingot]

There is a likely argument that the Megabird would be the one to send down skykids. Since the King is absent, the kingdoms of Sky have lost sight and fell into darkness.

Skykids may be like the cleansing fire that transforms the world. Unlike an unpredictable and volatile blaze, a skykid is much more precise and versatile in seeking out darkness, cleansing it in fire, and even seeking out wayward spirits to ascend to Orbit.

That is at least on of several theories on the lore chat on why skykids are here.

[round parrot]

But what about the reason why the king fell? Like wayyy before he was crowned king?

[nimble ingot]

This may depend on the lote changed and who you ask for their theory.
From my understanding, there is the lore from Light Awaits (before the global release), and what the current lore hints at.

According to Light Awaits, the King discovered the power of darkstone and used it to rule over the kingdoms. He and the elders use darkstone in the own ways in their kingdoms (ranging from doors, to boats or other complicated mechanism). It was explained that darkstone can absorb and store light,though can vonsume it and become corrupted (how it becomes corrupted is unclear).
The coreuption affected the creatures and they attacked the amcestors and elders. Thry built an ark and used it to go to Eden. An explosion took place and any creatire caught in it, became the dark dragons.
The king in Light Awaits would have been saved by skykids and the Sky Prince was able to ascend with the skykids.

This has since then changed upon the global relalease.
The king cannot be saved (though devs have mentioned he may still be present in another form). The eden explosion is implied with the state of Eden, and the eruptions of the season.
And lastly,he dark stone technoogy has a different role in sky, thoigh very much similar compared to the old lore.

In short, (in my opinion) the king did not listen to the warnings with disrupting the cycle and valance of liggt and darkness.
And the stars had fallen, allowing darkness to spread.

[round parrot]

So, the king wasn't a skykid? I see, I thought they were

Thank you for clarifying things

[lost smelt]

Hello

[nimble ingot]

In my opinion, elders and skykids are not the same.
The king was the elder of Eden.

There are theories about the Sky Pince though being similar to skykids.

[frigid tinsel]

The thought that the king was a skykid comes from the thought that the king was Chosen One as depicted in the Cave of Prophecy murals. Not only is Chosen One illustrated with the same look as a skykid in the Isle intro caves, but it’s assumed Chosen One was the skykid that fell in Ushering Stargazer’s spirit memories

[keen shore]

yeah! they’re depicted the same as a skykid but without the WL symbol, implying that they’re a capeless skykid :}

[sharp lichen]

Although it’s not 100% confirmed

[frigid tinsel]

I’m just explaining the theory, the thought

[keen shore]

To be honest, it’s heavily implied to such an extent that I feel comfortable saying it’s the most likely idea

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

This can help you!

@lost smelt you as well

[hushed steeple]

so the prince/king is most definitely a child whomst hath fallen from the oh mighty heavens above(sky kid) but all this talk got me thinking, aside from being able to fly and having everlasting youth, what other differences are there between sky kids and the elders and ancestors?

[meager pewter]

maybe their source of energy? 👀

[hushed steeple]

Okay that could be a very dumb question but where can i read the current version os sky lore? I've read the 7 days of sky concept history but is there something for the release version?

[meager pewter]

idk much about lore still but i dont think the elders got energy in their bodies from clouds, manta, birds, or butterflies? unless im wrong but it was just a thought

[hushed steeple]

very possible, sky kids can get their energy from clouds but the ancestors couldn’t fly so they wouldn’t have evolved that ability.

[sharp lichen]

There’s no organized thing released by TGC, but there is a fanmade one (scroll up to see it)

[hushed steeple]

Elders vere kinda inactive before we came and gave them some light. Maybe they powered by light but they need a smaller amount of it? Just a thought

[sharp lichen]

We offer quite a lot of light: look at the white candles we have to light up to summon the elder cutscene

[hushed steeple]

Up where? qwq
Can you copy a link? It's okay if not
Or you meant all this channel?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah, because the winged light gave the sky kids ravenous appetites.

[sharp lichen]

Here! https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

Make sure to ask if there’s anything else you need!

[hushed steeple]

I would be very hungry too, because you know we are a newborn child

Krill: whats worse than light.
Creb: a child!
Krill: well-yeah……

I don’t know about anyone else, but I want to see more evolutionary variation of things like crabs and krill. It doesn’t make the most sense for manta to have been the only ones to ever evolve into different subspecies.

[graceful oasis]

Points at big Krill

[hushed steeple]

Thats- well kind of but not exactly. I’m looking for maybe a burrowing krill, for example.

[keen shore]

Of course, that opens up the question… is evolution even a thing in Sky at all?

[calm jay]

crabs technically have three phases: uncorrupted (sanctuary island crabs) corrupted crabs (normal crabs) and shard crabs (red shard crabs. they suck)
i do agree that there needs to be more variation of dark creatures, especially with how much light creatures we have (all the sealife in treasure reef). would be cool to see more creatures. big fan of beasts 👍

[hushed steeple]

points at the many many evolutionary variants of the manta

I think sky kid's "core" body is hand made. It makes a shadow, when wings and accessories don't. The question is who made sky kids? 🤔

May I add that the manta in forest are possibly stunted, or at least evolved to be small to slide through the narrow gaps of the trees. THERE ARE EVEN EYELESS MANTA LITERALLY RIGHT THERE IN SANCTUARY!!!!!

[hushed steeple]

mega bird probably.

[hushed steeple]

I think the nature "light creatures" took control of the world after the light and dark war, so they continue evolving and well living their manta lives too
But how much time passed since then is a question too

[hushed steeple]

Wait what do you mean by light and dark war?

[atomic lava]

i think the reason why the body casts a shadow is because its real and physical but the other stuff doesnt because its all from the flame ! (fire doesnt cast a shadow)

[hushed steeple]

The war between ancestors and darkness with the help of light creatures

Did I miss something while I was gone?

[hushed steeple]

Huh? It's in the game i think. We came to this world after the war. It's been a long time since this world seen any light child, i think
It's what i imagine, I don't really know what really happened

The world has not always been so empty, and there were no wasteland. The eden is a place where the prince? is and he's cursed for wanting infinity source of power and energy

[hushed steeple]

Ok I think I see where you’re coming from. From what I’ve seen in the game we appeared after a terrible darkness sdupted from eden and killed everyone. And then mega bird sent down a bunch of sky kids who sacrificed themselves to lift the darkness. Then we came. But thats just going off of the fire trial and the isle cave murals.

[hushed steeple]

Yup, i think so

There are murals everywhere but they are mostly telling us what the world looked like before the cataclysm. How people gathered light traveled through the world of (humans or sky I don't really know)

And the darkness spread over everything because something happened to the big eden diamond(possibly curruption) and had a huge terrible reaction. Like a nuclear reactor failing.

Atleast this a piece of lore that i understood from the 7 days of sky and concept arts. But the modern sky is something bigger and more open to our theories so it is fine to assume things
Thought i really need some stable lore crumbs, a book maybe or a tv series...

[hushed steeple]

TGC is making an animated series that takes place before anything got currupted.

[hushed steeple]

Whaat?? Really??? No way! Can you send me a link for this or something please?

[round parrot]

Lore question: Did the red diamond instantly kill every ancestor? Or did they all die, just in different times?

[hushed steeple]

Not at the moment, but it is on TGC’s youtube channel, you can try searching there for the trailer.

[hushed steeple]

Oh that trailer. It was for the Nintendo Switch launch

[frigid tinsel]

There is evidence that there was a war, but not what the war was fought over. Some think it could’ve been between light creatures and ancestors cos of concept art, but the canonicity of concept art is dubious. The common thought is that is a civil war between ancestors over the usage of power diamonds and the pollution it caused.

[hushed steeple]

The eden diamond killed everyone as the darkness spread theoughout the kingdom. I believe fire trial gives the best visual as to what the darkness looked like seeing as it is the only visual.

[keen shore]

What about the realms when a shard is in them? They could be a more accurate visual

[hushed steeple]

That is a bit different. When we get there the shards had just landed, and we cleanse it before anything happens. But I could also just be wrong.

It was nice but I want to play animal crossing now. Bye!

[dull cave]

Why do u think none of the events apply to Isle of Dawn? Like the shards skip and go straight to Prairie

[calm jay]

i think it's mostly just a game mechanic more than lore. dailies and sc only appear through prairie-vault, and shards fall in whichever realm the dailies are in.
lore-wise though, we can see eden erupting from isle, but maybe shards don't land there because it's the furthest from eden and shards can't reach as far.

[next terrace]

Thank youu just finished soaking the info in :)

[tepid veldt]

that was, in fact, very helpful thank you baudshaw!

[rigid mural]

It's still fanmade, and is outdated as well as not super clear.

[tepid veldt]

ah i see

[sharp latch]

With all the light vs dark speculation currently, I have something to add. The ‘spirits’ this season are Ancient Light and Ancient Darkness, right? So this implies they were always there, and there was always conflict, it was just how powerful they were/are. This links back to the prophesy mural. In the last section there’s the golden child rising to power (presumably becoming the prince or Resh?), however there’s also a krill. I once saw a theory on how the mural is about the golden era before the darkstone, and that krills were always there. And this newest season backs it up

That’s was rlly long winded sorry

[gentle oak]

Sorry to interrupt but what the hell is this?

[sharp latch]

If you wait till the end it forms the shape of a bird, normally referred to and Megabird (and sometimes Megan). It’s theorised to possibly be the creator of the Sky kids and/or be the source of all light

[gentle oak]

I usually skip the credits so I’ve never seen this

[sharp latch]

This is a good explanation (ping off dw)

[rigid mural]

Here !

[gentle oak]

Note to self: don’t skip credits

[sharp latch]

It’s fine I did that too for aaaaaaages

[gentle oak]

I only noticed this because I was recording lmao

[tepid veldt]

note to self: if youre looking for lore, look

[rigid mural]

Some people pointed out it resembles the Laniakea supercluster !

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laniakea_Supercluster

[round parrot]

Fun fact: this creature can be found in the water body before entering office

[sharp latch]

I alway get annoyed when ppl forget that mural because it makes a big link between Isle elder and Megabird. Like, could that link to isle’s apparent exile???

[copper saffron]

i never can because the end music is probably one of my favourites from the game

[tepid veldt]

when you almost never play with the music on

[gentle oak]

Exile?? Does that have to do something that he isn’t on the Eden door?

[rigid mural]

There was a presentation slide saying so ! It had concept stuff but let me see if I can find it.

Boom. Unfortunately it's the only one we got, no other elders.

[tepid veldt]

I’m assuming “the One” is the Eden King/prince or am i assuming incorrectly and should probably just go to bed

[rigid mural]

It's assumed they're the prince/king yes ! Though keep in mind it's concept, so not everything may have made it to the live game.

[tepid veldt]

i just realized my pfp’s face makes it look like its doubting everything i say

[flat tangle]

I found this in the orbit when I looked up. Any idea on what it could be?

[eternal totem]

Friendship constellation from Light Awaits

[flat tangle]

Ummm.... What's that

[tepid veldt]

beta/old version of sky iirc

[flat tangle]

Ah okay thank you

[eternal totem]

From Tara’s Sky Journey, it may not serve the same purpose in CotL, but that’s the origin of the constellation

[frigid tinsel]

It’s on the current constellation table at Homespace as well

[sharp latch]

Yeah! It’s a theory that he was outcast by the other elders. I think there’s other stuff too but I’ll need to look into it more again

[gentle oak]

Interesting

[round parrot]

The theory probably came from the fact that Isle Elder's face/mask cannot be seen on the Eden door

[open badger]

any theory on why there is just 4 gate like structures and something that seems like the eden gate at the center (in isles temple)?
||sorta reminds me of aviary(not really sure how that looked tho)||

[floral grove]

There are the trials
There are 4 elements
There are 4 prophets and prophets are messengers of deities
There could be 4 now-unknown (and possibly dead) elemental deities in the Kingdom
Four beings surrounding the King

Seeing that Isle is the "beginning" of the journey and is where the carving is found, could this imply that this is the King's first encounter with the deities during his first days as the ruler?

[rigid mural]

The 4 trial elements are associated with a realm elder each; earth for prairie, water for forest, air for valley and fire for wasteland !

[open badger]

what bout the four pillars tho
they sorta seem like the structures in sanctuary islands
(pic credits to sky from twitter)

[open badger]

is vault not included or is that just a place where the records of the trials were stored ?

[floral grove]

Imagine how embarassing it would be to have your record of the trials in Vault lol. "MothDestroyer — Water Trial — dies before the first checkpoint"

[rigid mural]

Vault elder is depicted following or advising the golden figure in the murals; they're respectively behind them on the Eden mountain (interestingly, the beam coming from the mountain is golden too) and right below them as they get crowned on the last mural.

I think the beam being golden like the figure is meant to link the two, so I think this part of the mural in Prophecy depicts the same thing as the mural in Eden.

[earnest briar]

McKrilltheManager - Air Trial - Tried to skip the blessing and just barely reached the platform but bonked off and fell to their death

[round parrot]

Not really a lore question, but are lore memes allowed here? Or should it be in #sky-memes?

[sharp lichen]

Sure, knock it out!

[scenic siren]

After Eden blast:
Big animals like whale survived
Small and fragile animals like butterfly survived
Is it weird that the average-sized ancestors, with all their advanced tools and sturdy shelters went extinct?

[round parrot]

It's probably because they are somewhere near the dark spectrum

(sorry for low quality)

[sharp lichen]

I think this is a concept art image!

[sharp lichen]

My personal theory is that Isle’s meant to be a realm representing silence and calmness, so they didn’t want to interrupt that

[earnest briar]

Also cause they didn't want to have any baby moths run into a shard, have no idea what it is, and die because they didn't know what to do and got hit by a crystal crab.

[open badger]

Just a guess but since the shards are eruptions from Eden, and we also don't have the isles elder on the Eden gate, maybe the elder was not part of sealing the shard into Eden so the shards don't fall their because the elder probably stayed away from all the sealing business

[regal forge]

I love mantas so have this-
I feel like mantas would be very nippy in real life. A type of creature you wouldn’t typically approach unless tamed or already befriended
They’ll nip and bite, not out of malice, but mostly curiosity
Kind of like when a shark bites
Creatures typically have a set route unless it’s a cutscene so any other ideas on how these creatures would actually react to people and things around sky?

[dry ivy]

Imagine being a new baby moth and trying to learn the controls when all of a sudden, a meteor slams down on you and zombie crabs pop out to kill you

In short, it’d be a terrifying and confusing experience

[round parrot]

(I would also like to point out that not everything in the game can be translated to actual lore )

[dry ivy]

Perhaps so! I also feel that Isle is one of the places furthest away from the Mountain, so I suppose it isn’t within the meteors’ blast range

[dry ivy]

True! But it is sure fun to try hehe

[dull cave]

I like these theories

[tepid veldt]

same here. personally, i cant think too deeply about things like the murals or the ancient memories or the spirits, but its super interesting to read what everyone else thinks

and ill always try to contribute what i can

[dry ivy]

I like coming up with theories because it’s like an exercise in creative thinking. Taking these hints and stringing them together into something that makes sense

It reminds me of literary analysis I suppose. I always liked doing those in school

[languid island]

This is too complicated sentence for me to understand, pls, who gets crowned and where? Is Vault elder crowned as Eden king, so that's who the king is?

[floral grove]

I think Vela is talking about the Chosen One. The stick figure in the prophecy murals who's drawn in yellow (photo might not be the exact mural they were talking about)

[open badger]

I'm guessing isles is probably far away from (/at the outskirts of) the sky kingdom, considering that it's surrounded by water on all sides except to the temple side
And after the temple we do have to fly quiet a bit to reach prairie
After prairie most of the places are quite close by, once u exit the temple u normal directly end up at the start of the next realm

[hushed steeple]

Some head canons

Isle elder: yawns
Daylight: butterfly goes BRRRRR
Forest: I am the mom of these lot
Valley: [insert chaos] p.s. they need forest elder to manage their stuff
Wasteland: I AM GOD… and an overworked single dad
Vault: hmmm books and tall hats hehe

[keen shore]

forest elder best dad

[hushed steeple]

Isn’t forest a mom?

[rigid mural]

I'm saying that these two murals may depict the same event !

[rigid mural]

They don't have a gender

[hushed steeple]

Oww. Kk that was just the vibe I got from the forest elder

[keen shore]

OOOOOOOOOOOO this is a good point… I wonder if the first is like. Them going up the mountain to do the second mural

[rigid mural]

Could be that one is a prophecy and the other painted later when the events happened !

[keen shore]

Thank you! And yeah, people often assign gender to the characters in this game based on how they present, which can be annoying. I’m really grateful you cleared it up

[hushed steeple]

I had this theory about the elemental trials being placed by the elders in the cave so as to filter the children of light and the worthy one prevails and as they get more fit in the trials they can more easily free the realms of sky from the shadows

[pastel brook]

[eternal totem]

You mean the most known fanon interpretations?

[keen shore]

Oh like, one is a prophecy so it’s kinda muddy on the finer details? I can see that. I’m probably gonna go with my interpretation just because it further adds to the whole diamond replacing the beam thing but yours works too!

[hushed steeple]

Sowwy abbt what I said earlier I just like assumed

[rigid mural]

On my first run of the trials, it did feel like a test to see if I could handle darkness !

[keen shore]

don’t worry about it, if I got mad at everyone for not knowing this lore bit I’d be angry all the time. my issue is with people who know and then still gender them anyways

[rigid mural]

Why not both ? The beam is simplified there, it's possible they were aware something was gonna change.

[keen shore]

Oooooooo that’s a good point …

[rigid mural]

But it does look like the king did the trials, had something to do with the beam atop the mountain, then was crowned.

[hushed steeple]

Y’all think there was another elder in Eden? Like an elder that made the thing happen?

[rigid mural]

Yeah, we call the Eden Elder "King" (or "Prince" if we refer to them before getting crowned).

[hushed steeple]

Ooooo. I’m a lord moth so sorry if I don’t know stuff 😂

[fair knot]

Like, before the king?

[hushed steeple]

Wait is the “king” canon? What’s the story

[rigid mural]

yeah

[hushed steeple]

Cooool

[keen shore]

They are canon but most of the information behind “yeah they existed” is like. old concept stuff that may not be true anymore and peoples headcanons

so just keep that in mind when discussing them because so many times people mention speculation and stuff while presenting it as the truth, so it can get confusing if you don’t know

[rigid mural]

They do look important but because they are such a vague character, it's a bit complicated to get more than what we have; we know the Eden elder (aka.: the king) was around, that they vanished and likely are deader than the other elders and that's mostly it. Though recently lore chat is getting more food with the recent seasons, so with a bit of patience this story might get clearer

[pastel brook]

Skybrah's fun fact of the day: 8 hours of sneep snorp a day keeps Dark Dragons away

[frigid tinsel]

My counterpoint to that they’re the same event is that the depictions of the figures are different. Chosen One in this Cave of Prophecy mural doesn’t have a halo, the one in the Eden mural does. Likewise they look more like a skykid in the first mural while in the second they resemble an ancestor, perhaps to show that they’re an adult.

[rigid mural]

tbf the trial prodigy does get a crown similar to the figure on the Eden mural on the last Prophecy mural.

[fair knot]

yeah ... and there is a lot of architectural references to the king/prince, so maybe canon maybe not canon, maybe the king was a story that the elders told people to lure the skykids and use their light to power the diamond ... a lot of maybes

[frigid tinsel]

Also in the subsequent mural, this one, Chosen One gains a halo. It’s possible time had passed between the events of the Cave of Prophecy murals and the Eden mural

[keen shore]

Counter counter point: what if the event in the second mural is when they got the crown and they just got it then

[hushed steeple]

I’d imagine the king kinda disappeared (like left the world I can’t say it cuz it’ll remove ye text) and that void of light allowed the krill to pour into the realms from where no elder was, being Eden

[rigid mural]

Ehhh I don't think such a dark twist would fit a game about community, Eden is the epitome of us giving it all up for someone else, so having the narrative make a 180 and go "it was actually all for nothing and you were fooled" doesn't seem in-character for Sky.

[hushed steeple]

R the winged lights ex sky kids?

[fair knot]

Noo o.o I'm not saying that they killed the kids, just that they used their light and then something happened

[frigid tinsel]

I like the “failed Hero’s Journey” theory wherein the Chosen One/king was sent solo to save the kingdom but, despite their honest efforts, failed. The multitudinous skykids sent later fits Sky’s theme of mutal compassion, companionship, and teamwork

[keen shore]

thank you <3 am really glad you liked my theory, was shy about it for ages aorjwodkfj

[rigid mural]

We do see a diamond shape divided in 4 smaller diamond pattern all over the realms, and I had a headcanon that maybe the king used the 4 elements to create/alter the beam atop the mountain; perhaps that attempt was what caused the bright flash that drew in all kinds of creatures.

[rigid mural]

No idea, we only know they are related to us. They used to be called stars, though this may reference what they add to our capes !

[frigid tinsel]

The Elders help contemporary skykids (opening temples, ascending the spirits we save, Dawn’s bird paths guiding us). They likely helped Chosen One as well, at least as much as they could or with what they believed was right

[keen shore]

Yeah I was thinking something similar too! I’m just not entirely sure how the actual alteration process would work within my current interpretation of how the lights work if that makes sense, so it kinda stopped me from suggesting it

[hushed steeple]

We know what comes of ex sky kids in the last place of Eden. I think the winged lights r sky kids that were destroyed in the realms rather than in Eden and we can take the last of their light to add to our capes. Further more, when we loose all our light in game we look like the winged lights. Bald and all

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps the king created a bright light/altered the Eden beam to attract light creatures needed to power the Eden diamond. The Eden mural could depict its completion, after all those light creatures were absorbed into it.

It is the most likely form of deception that could’ve happened that could be twisted to fit the theme of the Chosen One “helping” the ancestors they were sent to save, at the cost of countless light creatures.

Arguably that fits the theme of corruption as well — Chosen One was sent to save light, but their mission was corrupted to save some light beings (ancestors) instead of all of them.

[rigid mural]

• The elements seem to affect their environment; for example, green light is shown to grow grass in a desert during the season of enchantment, and I have a sneaking suspicion it might also enable islands to float (since it is associated with the prairie elder, it could be possible they used it to make the bird nest islands, some sanctuary islands and the wind paths)
• Mountains are very often associated with celestial gods, sometimes seen as pillars, sometimes seen as thrones. There's also the whole symbolism of ascending them for a morsel of divinity...
• In concept art, Megabird used to be attached to that mountain, like a fountain of light. Something that's very tempting to temper with if you want to power a giant dark stone
• Classic greek hubris

i think they wanted to build a city there, or a giant boat (bigger than the forgotten ark)
or both
something that would have been the magnum opus of terraformation and industrialisation

the ascension through the castle after dying does look dreamlike after all...

[keen shore]

OOOOOOOO IVE HAD THAT IDEA FOR SO LONG BUT WAS STRUGGLING TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

[hushed steeple]

Golden wasteland was probably the main city or gathering place of the spirits. Eden being a place for the governing of the realms. After the thing that happened “I call it the alteration” Valley became what wasteland was. Wasteland was wasted cuz it was way too close to Eden. Vault is a part of Wastland’s system

[keen shore]

THIS OOOOOO I HAD A THEORY THAT THE VAULT WAS BUILT IN THE CYLINDRICAL CAVE/HOLLOWED OUT ROCK THAT THE BEAM LEFT BEHIND AND THIS REMINDS ME OF IT

[rigid mural]

oh fun fact, during the castle ascention, you can still see parts of the mountain
madlads built a castle around the peak of a mountain and tried to lift it up like a floating island

[keen shore]

the everywhere is prairie effect

[rigid mural]

floating islands are just really cool, same level as flying whales

[keen shore]

SO TRUE

but yeah! I can totally see the logic behind terraforming it to build a castle… especially since you can see said castle on your way up

[frigid tinsel]

Or rather what’s left of it

[rigid mural]

It's really cool cos you get the feeling you're indoors but 1) the space is absolutely gigantic, you could go through there on a darkstone boat and 2) if you look to your left after going up the king jellyfish, you can see the sides of a cliff

[boreal nebula]

IDK if these could be useful (Eden Castle from Isle Cutscene)

[frigid tinsel]

How’d you clear the fog? That’s detailed

[rigid mural]

I'm imagining they wanted some kind of huge city enclosed in a gilded cage, an ultimate monument to their arrogance and disconnection from the light.

[boreal nebula]

I didn't
The redshift during the Shards eruption did the job

[frigid tinsel]

There are depictions of terraced ancient Babylonian cities that remind of Eden during ascension. Perhaps that’s what they were going for

[boreal nebula]

The redshuft can influence Elders Cutscenes too

[rigid mural]

oh this absolutely rules

[frigid tinsel]

Oh hell yea, like that

[rigid mural]

Looks a lot like Light Awaits blue Eden

[frigid tinsel]

I edited these for dramatic effect but I have only seen that happen in Forest Elder’s cutscene so far

[boreal nebula]

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon

[boreal nebula]

My only disappointment here is that there are two eden, one behind Isle Elder and one on my skykidright side

[fair knot]

That could explain why vault looks like Babel tower O.O

[rigid mural]

reminds me of the citadel with the stairs and all

[sharp lichen]

MISSED PROPHECY LORE AGAIN

[rigid mural]

quote a message from that convo if you wanna pick it back up, see if the folks here would participate !

[fair knot]

babylonia and Babel tower

[keen shore]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO

[eternal totem]

It affects a lot of cutscenes

[slim plume]

"I'm here to talk with you about your car's extended warranty-"

[half vapor]

hey does anyone have any advise on getting into the lore? ive played the game for a while now but never understood much of the lore!

[boreal nebula]

Since the Seasons of TLP was canon to a certain degree (copyright and also because Vault seems capable of creating vast dreamscape dimensions)...

...What is your opinion on Shards landing in Starlight Desert? Does that make it a canon place, a real desert?

In my mind it still seems that desert is a dream/illusion of a far away place. Maybe the shards "arrive" because (even if Vault is an impenetrable fortress half build inside the mountain) being closest to Eden it gets a part of what it's happening leaking in. Sort of like when you're half asleep dreaming of the alarm which is actually ringing IRL

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12XSkaMV_5UYG-an_Qo37ItyKP6GaqBBA6iRqBVE2qck/edit

Maybe this can help you! If there’s a thing that doesn’t appear in that document, just ask about it!

[sharp lichen]

Teb, the Wind Paths already arrive at Starlight Desert. From what I can see, the Starlight Desert is a very real place, even if the things that are happening there are contested

[keen shore]

I vote starlight desert is canon even without the shards and/or wind paths

[boreal nebula]

My mind still struggle to count it as real even after SoFlight 😅

The whole purple hue (as I expressed more than once) related to dream/mind/imagination (and other weird names we could give to the purple element/light/orb) and the fact it gets from Vault (literally under Eden) into a desert so far away that seems farther than Isle of Dawn too

By the look og how far the visible Eden is, I mean. So, why there are shards there in Starlight and not in Isle?

[frigid tinsel]

Cos Starlight is around the base of the Eden mountain, being within range of the eruptions. Isle, presumably, is far away to be out of reach of the shards

[violet sundial]

Maybe starlight desert was something more than a desert at one point?

[frigid tinsel]

You can see Starlight Desert is directly connected to the Eden mountain, unlike all the other realms where the path is blocked by the horizon or clouds

[boreal nebula]

We can see Eden far in Starlight. And even if it was at the base, I doubt it would be easy for a shards to fall close to Eden (physics)

[sharp lichen]

I agree, saying the Starlight Desert isn’t canon could be a less extreme version of sunglasses

[frigid tinsel]

Starlight Desert is the closest we get to Eden before being inside it.
Also unless there is a physical barrier, physics does mean it’s possible for shards to land close to Eden

[violet sundial]

Landslide

[boreal nebula]

I mean, it's not physically impossible to have a short range and fall not too far from the Eden.. it's just than in my mind a big explosion hardly ever would let something shot from it a short range landing

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jump-fall-cat-fail-funny-animals-cats-fail-gif-10423165

[frigid tinsel]

Arguably the rock rain in stormlock are just smaller eruptions.

Teb, you’d be surprised. Not everything is ejected at escape velocity from an explosion. There are other forces at work that can slow down an ejecting object

[sharp lichen]

SKY PHYSICS!

[boreal nebula]

Sky Physics 101 teached by prof. moth
Human : how do you fly?
Skykid : I simply hold jump

[sharp lichen]

Sky physics has been solved. You won a PHD!

[wheat cypress]

lol how many of us have phd's now....... working on another essay btw hehehehehehehe

[sharp lichen]

Another one, Alani? Jeez

[violet sundial]

Hi yall! Was thinking abt smth weird; if skykids have no visible mouth how do they eat anything? Perhaps the food has to be made of light to fully consume it?

Ie you could maybe eat a crab (depending on whether they can have any light in them)
but the shell would be no good and you’d just have to toss it out and the meat of dark creatures would just be straight up inedible

[frigid tinsel]

They don’t need to eat

[violet sundial]

Yeah, but the teaset’s little pastry orbs show us they can do some form of it. I like to think of it as being an alternative way to recover one’s light

[frigid tinsel]

Skykids chew on the teaset orbs. So they prob have mouths, just doesn’t show in game.

[violet sundial]

That’s a possibility as well

And that’s proobably the most likely answer sky gastronomy sounds really interesting as a concept, though it’s probably more applicable to the Ancestors

[frigid tinsel]

cries in Sky biology

[violet sundial]

Though… the anxious angler’s job implies the ancestors needed to eat to survive.

So we know that much I genuinely wonder what kind of dishes there were though

I would love to see more of that someday though itll prooobably never happen

[tepid veldt]

aight i havent been to the treasure reef in awhile but i do remember there being a mini krill in angler’s memory. how did they get that small

[violet sundial]

My personal theory is that krill are basically like monsters made of or surrounded by garbage (the kind of stuff darkstone refineries make by killing light creatures) so ig itd just be a small one

[calm jay]

maybe there's a difference between dark water krill (gw, eden) and freshwater krill (treasure reef).
dark water krill are darker in color, much bigger, and can fly. the freshwater krill in angler's memories is a lighter color (though that may just be because it's a memory?) smaller, and can only swim.
maybe it's a subspecies or just how krill looked before corruption? we don't know much about freshwater krill
(i also really like your theory luka!)

[earnest briar]

Baby Krill exist maybe?

They’re like big Krill but instead of a harsh roar it’s a cute soft little growl and they just bonk into you and drain a few wings instead of knocking out your Winged Light.

[violet sundial]

Sounds like Angler still has reason to fear them then

It’s like a rabid small dog mauling you instead of a dinosaur

[tepid veldt]

rawr

[narrow geyser]

I prefer they do little bites on the shoulder or arms then they will whisked away, but would come again to bite.

[keen shore]

My headcanon is kinda similar, but with them being basically groups of discarded manta corpses fused together and reanimated! So a small one would just be one or two mantas while the large ones would be many

[bronze arch]

I thought the Forest Elder in the second image was deformed and had a scary monster mouth for a hot minute there, before I realized they just turned around.

Thank you for making a version of this that doesn’t look like a single paragraph.

[sharp lichen]

Hello Jaime!

[rustic glen]

Hi! I'm trying to share a spotify playlist link but it does not seem to work

It's a playlist I made with songs that somehow mirror the lore of Sky, I just wanted to share it if possible

[sharp lichen]

Let me see it-

[deft charm]

Do y’all got some lore for shattering

[tough coral]

OOOO i also have a sky lore playlist- it's based on the king!
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuVDeUrVi9HAKcfs7ml_Srf4z-ePe8DMj
I am ffffairly, 99% sure all the songs here are clean

[sharp lichen]

Crabs can ascend, and the entire kingdom is at fault for ruining stuff, and darkness is cold, and a bunch of scattershot facts (it's not even halfway done!)

[graceful oasis]

Sips tea Local Skykids stole light from Diamond, it break and shows it has reflections and past memories of explosion moments. Now we deal with rocks.

[calm jay]

where did you get that the whole kingdom is at fault? from a memory, a vault poem?

[open badger]

Well isles is excluded I hope

[round parrot]

Wait, didn't we already know that Eden (or darkness) is cold before Shattering? Or is it the mandela effect?

[torn eagle]

Had a small joke theory just now looking at the daily bonus bunches

If red candles are considered ceremonial of some kind and the realm with these daily bunches becomes the realm with daily quests the next day (elder face on portal would have "activated" eyes) it kinda seems like the realm is being prepped (empowering elders through the extra candle bunches?) for tomorrows daily quests

[hollow python]

Is there any lore behind the big white slug in sanctuary island and ||eden||?

[outer hare]

Much lore, the big white slug is what the fandom calls an ancestor manta I think or maybe its whale , and it has many theories surrounding it including the theory that the ancestor manta is proof of mutation in the sky world, however i dont deem this theory as correct because it wouldnt make sense as nature in sky hasnt adapted to darkness let alone whatever peace cause a manta to become that, as for eden if you have questions ask them because eden is too vast a topic to explain without basic questions 💜

[forest hornet]

Slug? 👁️👄👁️

[frigid tinsel]

Those are whales

[outer hare]

They're called whales? Thats nice to know ^^, WAIT THOUGH isnt this a whale?

[slim plume]

I think Rika may have gotten confused between the Elder Manta in Sanctuary and the big Whale that breaks that one building in Eden

[round parrot]

Lore question: How do season transitions work in Sky lore? Do Skykids find new areas and spirits and tells everyone? Or do the quest giver show themselves to the Skykids

[slim plume]

I think I'd be more inclined to go with the first option. One or a few skykids rediscover the new area (imo, they were there all along, they just hadn't been revealed to us yet) and then word spreads from there

[round parrot]

I wonder

Why are quest givers not petrified? Like the othet spirits? Is their soul stronger than an average ancestor? Or do the Skykids that find the release them?

[tepid veldt]

i want to go with the 1st option, as at the end of the season the spirits ascend () but the questgiver stays

[slim plume]

There's a theory that the questgivers were the first to die among the other spirits that are with them, and so are the ones responsible for making sure that their friends have ascended (sort of like how the first person buried in a graveyard is the 'ferryman' for other souls in the afterlife, hence why an animal was usually placed first because people didn't want a human to be stuck doing that job).

As for your question, I'm actually not sure! I suppose it's strange that we never see the Questgiver ascend, nor do we free them from petrification. But that begs the question as to why they're "different"

[eternal totem]

Ooh I follow that theory, it doesn’t always necessarily fit every season though
The first 4 seasons were always about the guides trying to find their friends who were scattered across the realms so they would ascend together, as if it’s a restless soul

[ancient marsh]

Hello! Has this door always been here? I just found this out because my friend lead me here (the location is inside forest temple)

Edit: sorry for the interruption!!

[eternal totem]

Yes, it always has been there, it used to be the home for either / in Light Awaits

[ancient marsh]

Oh, thank you! I got a sense of deja vu when my friend lead me there, it's like i've seen it before when i was a clueless moth lead by a veteran, and now a moth showed me the same thing!

[eternal totem]

It’s an empty room if you glitch inside, my friends & I would joke about it being a small secret bedroom

[tepid veldt]

very sneepy spirits

[crude flame]

It would be neat if they repurposed that door though! It would also be cool if they ever added something behind that one door in the forest cavern as well

[ancient marsh]

Yes!

[slim plume]

I remember trying to glitch through it as a new chibi (had just purchased the mask and was abusing it's power to the limit) but to no avail

[tepid veldt]

ah yes, chibi abuse
wait that sentence is weird without context

[eternal totem]

We used to call it the prison cell, musicians would glitch behind the door to practice in peace

[floral grove]

Musicians were really creative with their hiding spots before Harmony Hall lol

[slim plume]

I am very much a Little Prince moth so I have no idea about those first four seasons. I've been meaning to look at some videos of all the cutscenes and quests but I'm a procrastinator at their finest

[eternal totem]

The cutscenes weren’t as developed, Grat/LS & Rhythm (Winter rerun) had the same cutscene format

[tepid veldt]

im just curious, what were the quests like in those seasons?

[eternal totem]

There were no quests, the quest format began with Enchantment

Gratitude & LS only introduced a simple quest to the daily quest rotation, that being the Gratitude meditation shrines & catch the light quests (not colored lights) but they weren’t tied to a questline

[slim plume]

It's amazing to see how far the seasons have come though, I'd really never believe how simplistic it was

[eternal totem]

I found an end cutscene of Gratitude pre-dating global launch: https://youtu.be/poerc5LN-Y0

This is LS’, same format as Gratitude but it has unique animations: https://youtu.be/llm-rDNVwEM

Cutscenes were tied to AP so unfortunately the only final cutscene I have recorded is Rhythm

This is a comparison between CotL Rhythm & LA Winter end cutscenes: https://youtu.be/PAX-1EarEqE

[astral tendon]

Wait so the theory about the mantas getting killed/milked for their light to use for the diamond shape things, is CANNON?

[sharp lichen]

It’s implied through murals: we see a mural with mantas on one end and power diamonds on another

[nimble ingot]

Random idea spawning from Bot's fun fact.

Dark Dragons (Krill) are like Phantoms from Minecraft

[pale delta]

Does anyone has a picture of these murals? Or location of where they are

[slim plume]

Pretty sure that one's in treasure reef, the one near the trench

[hollow geyser]

this one in treasure reef?
from: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FQgj2Ii1A9p1kSly9rehvZU-fPsKtGazuEGvE3Od-Bg/edit#

[nimble ingot]

There are on the channel.
The season area has 4 murals in total (that I recall)

The first one skykids are likely to encounter is in the cave right at the start of the area (on the right hand side wall).
The other above water one is near the area with the shared space meditation spot (on the island with the canoneer), it would be on the far wall under the rounded arch.
The next one would be in the ruins (where the mantas were kept in tank to the right when facing the tower at the starting area. In the hallway, to the left would be the mural when entering from the staircase, but before you reach the shaft and where the stairs spiral down.
The last on would be deeper in the chasm in front of the tower, where (spoiler to the season) you accidently open the gate for the large corrupted creature, the leviathan/gregory/the big guy, would escape and swim deeper into the Abyss . On your right hand side when facing the underwater gate on one of the lowest floors, next to the gate you open.

[round parrot]

Do you guys think that there is a reason as to why these shards face (almost) the same way? Or is it just a coincidence?

[tepid veldt]

i never noticed that if most point in the way that this one is facing, then they all point in the general direction of eden

[round parrot]

OH MY GOD YOU ARE SO RIGHT

HOW DID I- WH- AAGHTH- :faint:

All jokes aside, that's actually a good point, if all the shards pointing to Eden in the case here

I have 2 more photos with the shards from yesterday, seems like it's pointing to Eden

(just so you know Eden is like, on the left side of the area)

[uncut pond]

The shards probably face "towards" Eden because that's where they came from

Like, in reality they're most likely facing AWAY from Eden, but because we only see the spiky part of the crystals that's what we assume to be the "forward" direction of the crystals

Not sure if I'm making myself clear here

[round parrot]

I think the forward part in the bottom part of the shard

[uncut pond]

That's what I'm trying to say

[keen shore]

ohhh fun non lore shard fact for you all while I remember it. The little glowing bar on the last crystal recedes towards the bottom the more darkness you have burned away! just dropping it in here because it helps me out a lot and I didn’t notice for AGES

It’s like a completion bar!

[graceful oasis]

It’s a neat Detail that help with clearing stuff

[nimble ingot]

It may be so because that is where they are falling from.
Like a meteor, when the shard lands, it leaves a 'trial' or leans in the direction it landed before getting embedded in the ground.

[keen shore]

you could probably use it for lore stuff if you wanted to, like say the darkness inside the shard manifests outside of it or something, but from my perspective it seems more like a QOL thing

[nimble ingot]

Mind if I ask what QOL stands for?

[frigid tinsel]

I’ve been thinking that the sheer force of the landing shards makes whatever light or darkness was stored within it to eject and leak out. As we clear the darkness, the light can come out, manifesting as the bits of light we collect after the weakening shard breaks

The Eden diamond itself is unstable, gonna bet the pieces of it literally exploding aren’t as stable either.

[keen shore]

Quality of life! Basically little bits that make the game easier to play

[tall mountain]

Hi lore chat! Been awhile since I've had the chance to pop in

So I have a weird question: you know how the mantas in the ancient memory are, like, made of rock, right? What type of rock are they made out of?

[frigid tinsel]

I think they’re just petrified

[keen shore]

I’ve been wondering about that too actually. You know how the trees in forest seem to be petrified, and some things that would typically be soft (like the bed in hermits house, a bunch of furniture scattered around and so on) are now completely made of stone? I’m wondering if it’s connected to that. Like, things petrify into stone when exposed to darkness, there was some mass petrification event maybe, and that’s why the mantas in the memory are made of stone

[nimble ingot]

My personal headcanon would be a type of stone that is made of the same mystical material as darkstone.
Seeing it defies gravity in a similar way as the darkstones can make entire buildings float.
That and the reason it does not glow is because it is either a raw version of the material (like the floating islands), or an unrefined version.

The question though is, if this is a skilfully carved statue, or a potential case of petrification.

[keen shore]

The manta poem released for the third quest does seem to imply that whatever encased them in stone happened from the outside in while they could still experience it, which would definitely fit my/alasdairs petrification idea

Plus the same thing (being surrounded by darkness flakes and then freezing into stone) happens to skykids when we die, as well as the darkness bits we have to burn away from spirits, so…

[nimble ingot]

Agreed.

[frigid tinsel]

Darkness seems to encase beings of light into a stone-like “husk,” as with petrified skykids in stormlock or petrified ancestors. Both have darkness flakes on them. I’d imagine that as the darkness flakes build up, they coalesce and harden

[rigid mural]

<--- slightly claustrophobic

[keen shore]

I wonder if that’s what the bit of stone that remains when we burn away the shards are. Petrified bits of light creatures. Oh I don’t like that

[frigid tinsel]

Though the petrified creatures in frozen memories don’t have darkness flakes on them.

[keen shore]

IM NOT EVEN CLAUSTROPHOBIC (I actually really enjoy squeezing into tight spaces) AND THIS GENERAL CONCEPT TERRIFIES ME

Like, the whole not being able to move as you feel yourself slowly dying idea is terrifying