lore-discussion-spoilers

[frigid tinsel]

The Sky world holds multiple planes of existence. The tangible plane is the only one immediately available to us, but abstraction to light and darkness can determine what is one can see and what plane one exists on

[silk hinge]

i like to think of it like because you lost all your light, youre reaching out to the light you have left in you, like that saying of theres light in dark and theres dark in light, kinda like that dark being in Legend of Korra (i forgot his name)

[keen shore]

I am the person who likes to think that the person we are hugging is the king but also I’m kinda shy about it, because like a good chunk of my theories, it’s like… me looking at all the evidence and then going for the option that makes me feel the most Emotions

[latent lark]

I like this idea!

[latent lark]

still valid though!✨

[silk hinge]

we could be visiting them like how we visit the elders, except that that is all thats left of them

[latent lark]

It is nerve-wracking to share a theory. Especially when it doesn’t line up with the most accepted ones sometimes. But i think all it does is give a new and interesting perspective on the lore

[frigid tinsel]

Recently I’ve been thinking of limbo as the darkness plane, where darkness originated and reigns supreme, whereasOrbit/the Light is the light plane, where light originated and reigns supreme. The Sky world could be somewhere in the middle in between, where the forces of light and darkness reach out.

[latent lark]

So would eden potentially be a gateway to the dark plane? That could suggest that we’re literally going into the dark to save the children which would be even more awesome to me.

[forest hornet]

I look at the void as like an in-between of life and death
I know there's a term for it but I can't think of it rn

[frigid tinsel]

Yes and no — Eden was and is still a gateway to the Light, hence being able to ascend there. It could currently be a gateway for darkness to enter the world since there is a lot spewing out of there. However for one to enter the darkness plane, darkness has to completely envelop you, such as petrifying in Eden and being swallowed by the leviathan.

It’s possible the true gateway for one to enter the dark plane, at least to enter willingly without darkness swallowing you, is via the Void of Shattering

[silk hinge]

and the trials?

[latent lark]

That could be where the krill comes from right?

[frigid tinsel]

The Trials exist on another plane that may not necessarily be in the continuum between light and darkness

Krill are corrupted light creatures — they are the result of darkness coming into the Sky plane and messing around with what was already there rather being born of darkness itself.

[latent lark]

Aaahh (makes mental note for fanfic)

[forest hornet]

A little off topic but I really like this theory on krill

It has this like zombie take on them which i find very interesting

[latent lark]

It’s a cool theory what would the little flakes that fall from them be? I like to think they’re seeds for the dark plants

[silk hinge]

planes

[forest hornet]

Good question
OH I LIKE THAT IDEA

[silk hinge]

dark plants also have those flakes falling from them!

[forest hornet]

It's like bees when they come in contact with flowers they get covered in pollen and then spread it

[rigid mural]

We do have an elder bird variant on some dev doodles, feel free to interpret this as a green light to make your favorite bird as one ! I wonder if toucan elder birds would have fancy patterns on their beak...

[keen shore]

Feel free to interpret this as a green light? How am I supposed to make plants grow with these images? /j

[fickle wing]

shoebill elder bird………………..the silly

[rigid mural]

-throws scarecrow farmer at salem-
Yeah shoebill elder birds would be Hella intimidating too

[forest hornet]

That could be like mega birds physical form for when they come to visit the mortal world of sky!
Idk just a random idea that popped in my head

[fickle wing]

cassowary elder birds though
now that’s a Threat right there

[latent lark]

A crane would make for a pretty elder bird

[rigid mural]

Elder birds are light creatures
Cassowary elder birds could be lured to a place with krills so they could fight them while you hide to not be a target of their talons too...

[frigid tinsel]

Goose elder birds will mess you up

[sharp lichen]

The most horrifying thing I’ve heard all day

[rigid mural]

Geese are fine, they just need personal space. You guys are just cowards.

[latent lark]

Would be interesting if the krill behaved like bees in a way and accidentally picked up the dark plant pollen 😵‍💫

[frigid tinsel]

You say that until you are surrounded by them on all sides.
Never seen so many Canadian Geese in my life.

[rigid mural]

I bet you 50 bucks I could eat lunch near a flock of these.

[calm jay]

i have a personal vendetta against geese

[latent lark]

One kept going after my friend’s ankle

[frigid tinsel]

Ah, like a chibi

[keen shore]

did a goose post this?

[rigid mural]

Does anyone wanna help me fund me a trip to the most goose-infested area of Canada so I can prove a point to #lore-discussion-spoilers on the official Sky: Children of the Light discord server /hj

[frigid tinsel]

I’m already in Canada tho

[rigid mural]

Yeah but not me.

[calm jay]

next sky assembly: the goose pit in canada

[rigid mural]

I'd fly there immediately.

[keen shore]

Wren elder bird…

[rigid mural]

It's barely noticeable because it's as big as a regular bird.

[keen shore]

AWWWW
Imagine how loud their song would be

[rigid mural]

Elder creature you can gently hold like burger but will break your eardrums if it decides to complain about it.

[keen shore]

I relate to this bird so much

[fickle wing]

oh this jsut reminded me of coquis
these fellas are tiny but LOUD

[keen shore]

….elder frog…

[keen shore]

FROG WHISPERER MY BELOVED

[fickle wing]

FROGGY

[uncut pond]

What the actual holy freaking crap
WE WERE ROBBED

[sharp lichen]

YES

[violet sundial]

FROG

[wheat cypress]

I've come just in time for the frog whisperer and I am not disappointed

[rigid mural]

Lightseeker oc that likes tending to ponds and wetlands

[frigid tinsel]

Very important to the ecological community

[half zealot]

I WILL SOB (/LOVING)

[uncut pond]

Frog whisperer is like actually such a good OC like if you hadn't told me they are an OC and there's no frogs in Sky I would've believed they are an actual spirit from the game

They just absolutely nail that vibe that most actual spirits have that idk how to describe it but basically they just look like someone everyone would want to be friends with

Also the little frog
I love them

[wheat cypress]

The smile is the best part

[keen shore]

Frog whisperer has my whole heart. I like to imagine even though it’s impractical that the rod for their umbrella is hollow and they can play it like a flute

[frigid tinsel]

Isn’t their umbrella just a huge lilypad?

Which would make a very effective umbrella cos likypads are hydrophobic — water just slides right off them.

[keen shore]

Yeah!! I mean the little rod they hold it by

[wheat cypress]

New prop.... separate the umbrella into the flute and the lilly pad, play the flute while sitting on the lilly pad floating over the river

Lol like the love boat from this years days of love but .... a lil lilly pad

[half zealot]

Frog whisperer seems like the type to play a leaf whistle…

[calm jay]

ojhh frog whisperer is really good i love them

[rigid mural]

It's the stem !

[rigid mural]

REAL
They would try to teach skykids how to make funny sounds with leaves like some relatives do. Unfortunately the kids don't get it quite right...

[floral grove]

Frog tastic

[half zealot]

Just like me and making goose sounds with blades of grass…

[compact shale]

sEND TUTORIAL?

[frigid tinsel]

I remember as kids the neighbors would put a blade of grass in their lips and make kazoo-like noises. I could never replicate it though

[half zealot]

HSHAHAH I can try !

Take a flat, long blade of grass, and put it in between the outside of your two thumbs taut. Blow in between your thumbs - the blade of grass will act as a Reed and make a loud honk noise!

[rigid mural]

I've been taught how to make kazoo sounds with a blade of grass, you gotta put enough tension so it vibrates when you blow on it.

You can also use your other fingers as a resonance box to alter the output !

[half zealot]

yeah!!!!!! It’s very cool 💖💖💖

I can manage to make it EXTREMELY LOUD, so I usually do it and scare the people around me lmao

[compact shale]

What if Sky has a band that's just

grass whistlers doing what grass whistlers do

[half zealot]

That would be magical…. Oh love…

[compact shale]

Performance Guide: Okay, so next audition, what's your name?
Grass Whisperer: Sprout!
Performance Guide: Okay, Sprout, what have you got for us?
(Grass Whisperer pulls out a long blade of grass.)
Performance Guide: A... a blade of grass...?
(EPIC KAZOO SOLO)

[half zealot]

Spirits got talent…

[latent lark]

Have they hosted something like that in this server? I think it would be super interesting! There’d be an arts division, a writing division, an instrument division and a singing division! (For shortness sake, there can just be a singing division)

[wheat cypress]

OK but like..... question.... is there a way to replicate a Sky honk irl?

[oblique sleet]

hey can anyone explain the lore theories behind the big bird? I forgor but my friend was curious about em

[wheat cypress]

Mmmmm birb..... this unfortunately is not my area of lore

[frigid tinsel]

That’s an elder bird. Light Whisperer was supposed to be close to one, but it was cut in Season of Flight. An elder bird shows up in the Season of Rhythm end cutscene

[wheat cypress]

That reminds me... how many actual in game appearances has this bird had? Including beta seasonal cutscenes

[violet sundial]

HEY LORECHAT

[wheat cypress]

THATS TODAY??? I LOVE THAT STORY %100 lost track of time

[violet sundial]

The aforementioned festival is actually in a week or two so maybe thats why the bridge is there

[keen shore]

I would love for that to be true, but honestly the change was probably just to free it up mechanically 💔

[violet sundial]

Hey you never know maybe China servers have an event coming up

[wheat cypress]

This story is excellent performance stage material.... what if we made a short play about it?

[violet sundial]

Ive actually really wanted to perform a play with people in Sky for a long time

I’d absolutely be down to give it a shot ^^

[frigid tinsel]

The holiday could be why the devs chose birds in particular to replace the bridge

[calm jay]

i didn't even realize the bridge stopped working until now. huh!

[torn eagle]

hey lorechat! can someone confirm this? is prairie an elevated area? like a highlands or mountain range?

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, I’d love to!

@torn eagle I don’t think so

[violet sundial]

Also lightseekers meme play

[keen shore]

Counterpoint: I do think so, because you fly up to get there, & the sea is far below when you fly over it, plus you fly down to get to forest

[rigid mural]

Bird nest has a view of the sea below tho, the dock at the entrance is def on the same level as the butterfly fields too.

I think the Daylight Prairie without clouds would look like a cliff fragmenting into floating islands, you'd have a mainland towards the caves and the islands towards bird nest and sanctuary.

[torn eagle]

hmm coz I had this realization why isle possibly became barren in a more scientific way

was looking onto some geographical related weather and saw this:

"A rain shadow is a patch of land that has been forced to become a desert because mountain ranges blocked all plant-growing, rainy weather."

just reminded me of the weather between isle, prairie, and forest

[round parrot]

Another lore question: Where and who is the prince? We have only seen him in concept arts and that's all (iirc)

(also sorry for going off topic)

[frigid tinsel]

Yes the prince has only appeared in concepts

[calm jay]

oh right! i remember learning about them in geography a loooong time ago. cool to think about!

[frigid tinsel]

Thinking about the Cliffs of Moher

[rigid mural]

This but it seems like there's bits of land tearing away to form floating islands. Kinda like reverse cliffs of normandy...

[fickle wing]

hey lore chat sky assembly in korea has concept stuff up and 👁️👁️

[violet sundial]

How do floating islands form anyways? Bookworm island doesn’t exactly look like it should be able to float

[round parrot]

WHOAWHOAWHOA BLUE SHARD CRABS?????

[raw crypt]

SUNBATHER CONCEPTS

[calm jay]

lemme just zoom in and admire all those pixels

[violet sundial]

FOOD OH MYBGOD

[round parrot]

OH MY GOD WHAT IS THISSSSS

PRE PERFORMANCE CONCEPT??????????

[frigid tinsel]

Eating eating eating I’m hungry

[violet sundial]

Ay whats dis

[calm jay]

jpeg

[round parrot]

MORE CORRUPTED CREATURES

[violet sundial]

Ik its a screenshot but
I need a better pic i wanna know what this is for

[rigid mural]

@keen shore enchantment concept art
Likely gonna be stuff in the art book

[calm jay]

i'm sure a lot of these pictures can be found on tomzhao's website + some old blog posts. i would like to see the rest in the artbook though!

[frigid tinsel]

Why does this remind me of Steven Universe going to court in front of Yellow and Blue Diamond

[round parrot]

MANTA PANTS AND COSMIC MANTA PANTS

[violet sundial]

WAIT YEAJ SKSHJSJDJ

[frigid tinsel]

This is probably Yui’s Abyss concept

[raw crypt]

ohh my god i need the artbook now

[violet sundial]

OMG YESSSS

Gratitude concepts when

[rigid mural]

Making a peace sign without lifting myself from the metaphorical couch, I think this is all stuff that will be in the art book.

[calm jay]

i need to see performance concept art

[frigid tinsel]

But why does this Korea Assembly have it?

[violet sundial]

Dont see why not
If they can share it there out of all places that means the dreaded Non Disclosure Agreement no longer applies to those concepts

Which means they’ll definitely be able to include them at least

[raw crypt]

Theres quite a few performances pendant designs seen, yho the right ones may be rhythm? or it could be that performance took after some scrapped rhythm ones, hard to say

[violet sundial]

Imo its proobably performance concepts since the season is connected to Rhythm

[rigid mural]

I'm salty too.

[violet sundial]

How thick is the artbook looking currently?

[hushed steeple]

these spirits represent which season ?? enchantment ??

[fickle wing]

would kill 2 b over there esp since they’re giving out these little card things and one of them is this

[frigid tinsel]

Second image bottom right looks like Assembly from the color palette

Wonder if that’s fanart but still

[compact shale]

OH THAT'S SO CUTE

WOULD LIKE TO SEE OTHER SPIRIT SELFIES

[compact shale]

What machine is the "this" supposed to be?

[rigid mural]

Just look at the messages I quoted. Put this directly into my system.

[violet sundial]

ITS FILTERED NAUR

[rigid mural]

But yea, I think the artbook might come sooner than we might expect if they put never-before seen art here.

[fickle wing]

the way ayin has their hands up has me in tears reminds me of a bear just

[frigid tinsel]

Bear Ayin

[rigid mural]

They ARE a bear

[untold notch]

in what sense

[calm jay]

oh my god i didn't realize that mehk was giving sah bunny ears

[frigid tinsel]

Their mask looks like an elf ear

[untold notch]

happy pride month!

[calm jay]

pride month was last month but the enthusiasm is appreciated

[rigid mural]

Pride month is all year if you're not a coward

[compact shale]

When everyone is genderless, all marriage can be gay if you try hard enough
(art by jacky-acky on tumblr)

[frigid tinsel]

Don’t even have to try

[calm jay]

gamers...

[fickle wing]

love wins

[untold notch]

any month can be pride month if you're filled with hubris

[frigid tinsel]

Not hubris, pride

[oblique sleet]

on our cr today, me and my friend were discussing that if the world of sky had gods what they would be and two of the ones that we came up with were the God of Server Merge and the God of Server Splits, they’re married

there was some more serious stuff like how I thought Eden the place could be a God (similar to how Tartarus is a God in Greek mythology)

[untold notch]

those are cinnamons i think

[violet sundial]

[violet sundial]

Wait i just

Gotta redraw this 🙏

[rigid mural]

A rage comic ? In 2022 ? This is an internet coelacanth.

[violet sundial]

Gay marriage

Very real pictures of their wedding

[pulsar dragon]

this isnt on topic

[rigid mural]

And I oop

[violet sundial]

Oops ☠️

[frigid tinsel]

the topic is that the Elders are gay

[rigid mural]

It's not lore but it is funny ngl

[violet sundial]

Wdym its very real lore/j

[pulsar dragon]

funny though it may be i hope this channel gets good & proper use of the term lore

[rigid mural]

gay marriage

[frigid tinsel]

yea it does, the Elders are gay

[violet sundial]

Alr alr

I’m gonna go i’m working on tribe stuff again

[fickle wing]

sky lore: the entire kingdom is a fruit basket at this point cause of how queer everyone is

[raw crypt]

love wins

important sky lore there is a lots of pots and butterflies in isle

[fickle wing]

daleth sends love letters via bird

[rigid mural]

Oh god the pots make the sound ever when you step on them.

[violet sundial]

I can literally never unhear that sound

Also the sound of winged lights being sliced in half and being collected

[rigid iron]

This is A grade lore right here officer

[normal relic]

Okay, so we've seen that skykids turn to stone when they succumb to darkness right? What happens if a sky kid is too strong to fully rock up after losing light but not strong enough to resist it entirely. ||Skykid zombies?||

[wheat cypress]

OoooOOOOOOOoooOOOoooO...... I'm not sure I'd wanna see that

[violet sundial]

Spooky

[tall mountain]

Yo, chat, I have a question: what exactly is the deal with the Abyss ruins? Who made all that stuff? Why is there an underwater city? Who did all that stuff originally belong to?

[violet sundial]

It’s a power diamond production facility, not exactly a city

This kinda illustrates how it most likely worked; theres a pretty sad reason why those Mantas were trapped

[tough coral]

you know ive got problems when theres a whole folder on my phone entirely dedicated to picrews of alef/the king (my hc design but STILL)

[tall mountain]

This reminds me of the time I took my dad to Eden, and he did not understand the concept of "you are supposed to die" and so he had lost all his light and was limping along, except he managed to time it just right so that he was by one of the lanterns while at 0 WL.

His response was to spam the handstand emote.

[tall mountain]

Aww, those poor mantas

I feel a lot less bad for the place that got flooded now... Like, it makes sense that they got destroyed for the whole power diamond thing, etc.... But I wonder how specifically they got flooded, per se? What led to the facility getting put underwater?

[violet sundial]

Would assume the sea level rose

I’m not very well versed in the specifics though good questions i will ponder later

[calm jay]

volcanic eruptions can cause high magnitude earthquakes. i'd assume if the abyss area was built next to water, it would cause it to flood during the eden calamity

[graceful oasis]

Explosion

[calm jay]

i would go more into detail abt this but i'm watching a stream rn and can't get my thoughts into words. but i did put a lot of time into researching tectonic plates and volcanoes

[frozen harness]

what is the "heaven" part after you "died"

[floral grove]

It's called Orbit

[calm jay]

orbit is a sort of "limbo" after you die. you ascended, and it's like a brief respite before you are reborn.

[floral grove]

Wouldn't the limbo part be the Void/Pity room?

[calm jay]

i suppose that makes more sense. i can't find an exact word for what orbit is right now

[floral grove]

Afterlife probably

[calm jay]

it's not really an afterlife for skykids, as they're immediately reborn afterwards. afterlife seems more of a permanent thing.

[floral grove]

Then it's the cosmic waiting room

Anyways, do you guys think that the water that used to be in the GW area before the first Krill all went to the Abyss quarry? Perhaps the water receded in that area and ended up going to the quarry which caused it to submerge?

[calm jay]

that's interesting, i don't really think it flooded into the abyss area considering that the wasteland water is contaminated and the abyss water is clean (can contaminated water be filtered to it's natural state?) . i believe the abyss area is a bit more raised off the ground than gw's first area because it's accessed through the wasteland social area before the wind storm, though sky's layout is kind of up in the air right now

[torn eagle]

its possible that the boat in wasteland social area descends into a lower area

like what it did with the boat going to forgotten ark (in the cutscene the boat slowly ascends)

[floral grove]

Well, maybe the contaminated water pushed clean water towards the quarry . In real life, when salt water meets fresh water, they don't mix right away because salt water is denser than fresh water. In Sky's case, it could be that contaminated water is much denser than regular water so they don't end up mixing hence why Abyss isn't contaminated

[open badger]

Just based off this
Since it was a diamond production facility, doesn't it just show that the spirits we relive now aren't essentially good (considering that the diamonds are mainly used by the spirts)
Also on that note, the large krill we free at the end was also trapped, does that mean the spirits were trying to make a dark crystal, which is now the shards?

[calm jay]

ah yes i was just thinking about that salt/fresh water image! that's a good idea

[calm jay]

i don't think the spirits are necessarily bad, just that they're pursuing new advancements in technology. diamonds power boats and doors and all sorts of things they use in day to day life, and even if the usage of diamonds is not that great (the production facility and mantas), i don't think the spirits have bad intentions.
~~if this doesn't make sense ignore me im tired ~~

[open badger]

A bit more to this
Assuming that the shard is a failed creation and hence sealed in Eden
It would make sense to assume that the manta that saves us at the end of abyss is actually a ghost of a manta that the spirits had captured (might also explain the ghost mantas in vault)
And the crystal made from the big manta is what we see at vault (the giant central crystal that helps us go up) and all the ghost mantas in vault are just trying to be close to the crystal from the big manta as it stores it's power

[open badger]

They might not exactly be bad,
But it does make you wonder y the mantas and the krills were trapped in the first place
And if it was not the spirits is there something that we don't know yet hiding somewhere

[night herald]

Has anyone noticed this one dot of white on the memory floor? Is it new or always been there?

[hollow acorn]

I think it's just a trace of another skykid . Or, my thought might be wrong

seems many conceptarts in sky assemblies, There may be some concept arts that we haven't seen before. I don't know because I haven't been there

[copper saffron]

third one
is that a sky alphabet underneath their names?

[open badger]

Went diving for lore
(From left to right)
In this pic we can see that the people are calling the mantas first, and then trapping them
Next we have the 3 different levels
-1st being empty
-2nd having a normal manta
-3rd having a bigger manta
These places also are the places where the kills are there currently
Just my assumptions
The people took the light from the mantas
Used it/stored it/sent it using the big tower
And as a result of the light being taken from the manta they became krills
Since the center big tower is what was using/storing/transmitting the power taken from the mantas, it would make sense that when the big manta became a king krill used it strength to destroy the tower (hence the marks on it)
But ends up loosing its reasoning and get sealed by the people who had initially trapped them

[copper saffron]

i cant really read it and it might not be since there are double ups when there should only be one letter but i think it might be

i can try to figure it out if yall would like lol

[calm jay]

where did you get these assembly pics from?

[fair knot]

I think its underwater because the storm is so big that is causing a hugeeeeeeeee Low Pressure region in Sky land .... This happens with hurricanes too

[eternal totem]

THAT’S ENCHANTMENT

[copper saffron]

hhh i want to go to one!

[eternal totem]

You can see camels in the top corner as a reference 💀

I’m scanning these like a hawk

I’m 100% sure these are all Enchantment, except for the tents, could be Assembly

[eternal totem]

Lol just noticed the higher quality ones

I was right

[old bolt]

It's kinda strange that c has no symbol and is omitted 🤔
Also this looks like Vault cutscene symbols

[copper saffron]

i think the line is added at the end, like an underline
so when displaying it it could be just the symbol
i was wondering too about the C and the doubled letters
tho it could just be explained as the letters making the same sound in the language or something, or maybe there's an extra part that would normally be included
like in japanese, the d and t consonant sounds come from the same symbol, but the d sound is indicated by an extra accent mark, for lack of a better word

also, what vault cutscene symbols?

[old bolt]

The previous concept art alphabet had the doubled letters feature too

[old bolt]

This one. There are more symbols but some of them are similar to the ones on the concept art but without a line

[floral grove]

This is what I saw from the third photo with the weird alphabet. I don't think it's perfect though because Musician is written as "musiiam/nusiian/musiian/nusiiam" in the script

Wait my bad, I didn't realize Likarrro already got the letters

Correction: C does not have a letter just like what Likarrro said

[hushed steeple]

A big thank you for partage ! ^^

[floral grove]

D and T & J and Ch have the same symbol because D is just a voiced version of T and the same goes for J and Ch

Voiced means you pronounce the sound by vibrating your vocal chords. Unvoiced means the opposite

Compare "Jason" and "Chason" or "Danny" and "Tanny"

Other examples are:
S and Z (Samantha vs Zamantha)
P and B (Pull vs Bull)
F and V (Fast vs Vast)
K and G (Kit vs Git)

[eternal totem]

I’m gonna sound crazy, but I always wondered why Crabwalker’s hairstyle UI icon had a tassel yet said tassel doesn’t appear on the actual hairstyle, I think I got my answer

[copper saffron]

literally how japanese works lmao

so c is just missing and we have no idea why

[floral grove]

I think the reason why C doesn't have a symbol is because of the letter K. The letter C in the word "Actor" has the same sound as the letter K in the word "Make" and so TGC probably did not want to confuse the artists with the difference between writing C and writing K in the made up script. K has only one sound but C has like three (the C's in Pacific Ocean) so they skipped writing C so the artists don't end up writing something like "Pakifik Okean"

[copper saffron]

if i were to make it one though, id go with the s or k symbols for the sound
hey lorechat wanna make a sky script

[floral grove]

I could see that but then they risk having people with very little knowledge on linguistics fight over why a certain symbol pertain to more than one letter in the English alphabet

[round parrot]

Off topic lore question: Are the Skykids in a time loop? Or are just immortal beings only for the sole purpose of freeing spirits

[copper saffron]

yeah making a script is hard
but i think making a couple combination sounds would make sense, if the singing we hear in orbit is anything to go by, it sounds kinda similar to japanese
also this is just a fun thing for us lorechat to enjoy

[copper saffron]

personally i think eden itself is in a time loop that resets weekly, but the skykids do get reborn when they die
it's a fruitless sacrifice only to be reset every week
kinda sad

[round parrot]

I mean there is that one child statue that always breaks (before pnr)

[floral grove]

Ah, sorry. I wasn't talking about making a script, instead I was talking about using K and S as subtitutes when the letter C in a word ends up using a K sound or an S sound

Using other letters as subtitutes for a sound/phoneme is good for writing, as in writing the words Aktor, Konnekt, Karefree with a K instead of a C. Having multiple letters get subtituted is where it gets confusing

We end up with situations where someone would go "Why is the word "Pasifik Oshean" written like that if there's a symbol for C???"

And I assume the artists that write those symbols aren't the same ones who made the script. If they get told to write a letter depending on what sound it makes, we would get artists writing the same word in really different ways which will ruin the consistency of the made up script

You'd get concept artists writing "Pacific Ocean" as "Pasifik Oshean" , "Pasific Oshean" , "Pacifik Oshean" etc

Hence why they probably skipped writing C in the concept art and didn't bother putting other letters in its place

[brittle folio]

🦈 That moment you realize a connection between your 2 favorite past times = I began my Sky adventure 7/21/22 during Shark Week 🦈 As my moth wings grow and I understand the world and what happened to the mantas I’m deeply touched and kinda looking forward to the first time I get to sacrifice my light. 🥹🦋🦈#sharkweek2022 #savetheManta 🦋🦈🕯

[raw crypt]

eating these, sky concept art i love

[eternal totem]

I’m looking at all these concepts normally

[rigid mural]

Interesting how the dark masks with yellow accents in enchantment concept art could have inspired assembly ones, both groups are stranded in a way; litterally for the enchantment crew, and at least figuratively for the assembly scouts who don't look like they got supervision and protection from older caretakers...

[raw crypt]

the rhythm pants have a swan design on them bird…
also i love seeing the pendant iterations on the enchantment concepts

ALSO I WANNA READ AHAT THE SHATTERING ONE SAYS

[eternal totem]

The Performance pendant concepts are funny for some reason

[raw crypt]

YEAH SAME
obsessed with the comedy and tragedy masks but. actual sky masks and CANDLES

[eternal totem]

This one, this is the closest to what we currently have, I LOVE the color palette I wish it’d get reused at one point

One of these masks looks like a crab mask, it must’ve been Crabwalker

[raw crypt]

YESSS its so nice
also crab mask is holding a vault memory cube

[eternal totem]

Damn I’m like these women laughing while holding a giant bowl of salad looking at these

[raw crypt]

my parents see me smiling at my phone and think im texting some cute boy but actually im just looking at sky concept art

[eternal totem]

ME

[nimble ingot]

Where did you get these?
Please do tell 🙏

[eternal totem]

Although I dunno how they got their hands on these, some of these look torn. Someone stole the artbook & ran

[eternal totem]

Sky Assembly in Korea

[nimble ingot]

ah, thank you ❤️

[hollow acorn]

I googled #SkyAssemblies
And these are the pictures that I found in the Korean community.

[nimble ingot]

Thank you, thanks anyone for sharing these

I am not able to find the images online, even with the tag #SkyAssemblies
Though am grateful to see these images get shared.

[hollow acorn]

Ohh Then maybe it'd better search and see on Twitter, Instagram with #SkyAssemblies

The event also seems to have a postcard made of belonging season stuff

[nimble ingot]

https://mobile.twitter.com/thatskygameKR/status/1553198956917637120/photo/1
Found the link to the images.
It is nothing new compared to what has already been shared ahout the sky assembly in seoul, but still

https://mobile.twitter.com/thatskygameKR/status/1553319495816577024/photo/2

Dark Plants are succulents (cacti) confirmed 🙂
Corrected. Fanart 😦

[eternal totem]

That’s fanart

[nimble ingot]

https://mobile.twitter.com/gayahm67/status/1553334009824169986/photo/1

These were from the event 😐

[eternal totem]

Yes, it’s fan creations

https://twitter.com/catallarii/status/1552964673204498433?s=21&t=duiMEVUOKUUQtBbNo8S6lg

Dark plant & weasel mask are by this artist specifically

I assume artists were exchanging fan work as gifts with one another

[nimble ingot]

oh, I apologise.

[eternal totem]

There were official participation gifts handed out by the staff there though!

[hollow acorn]

highly developed fanart is indistinguishable from the official art

[earnest briar]

What do you guys think the turtle in Sanctuary does? Personally I have the idea it takes Dark pollution and turns it into wax for us, but sometimes the Darkness concentration is too much for it, hence the plants that grow on its back that we need to burn.

[eternal totem]

Top right/left, I think the text is slightly clearer
By @/New_SkyCotL on Twitt

[crimson grove]

Those are really cool, thank you for sharing dark!

Now I wish I was there to take a close-up pic of every single concept art piece

[eternal totem]

We gotta thank the Korean community for sharing these, I hope after the event was over these weren’t thrown away

This was from an attendee’s table, I wonder if some copies were handed out
By @/kumoneko_sky on Twitt

Chill Sunbather = Beach Bum

[hollow acorn]

Beach Bum mask looks like Lmao

[nimble ingot]

dark plants on the shell are a bit like barnacles or moss

[earnest briar]

I didn’t think of it like that, but that makes sense! It’s just that these barnacles would do a lot more damage quickly since the Turtle is a Light Creature.

[hollow acorn]

The picture of the little bottle and the girl....from assemblies event art
👀 Assuming this isn't an ancient concept art, if I think of a girl spirit, remind me of the basic spirits from basic realms, the girl of dream season, if that's not the case... Could it be related to the aurora season? Ofc, that's just my silly thought haha

[eternal totem]

This is Abyss concept art iirc

[nimble ingot]

Ooh true.
Message bottles at sea are thing for stranded survivors and pirates (as far fiction goes).

[hollow acorn]

Oh I missed that thank you for letting me know

[keen shore]

WHAT TYSM FOR TAGGING ME

[raw crypt]

theres clearer enchantment concepts further down

[lyric isle]

incredibly jealous of korean community rn

so much concept art

ok screw it whenever the art book is out I will ask for it

[keen shore]

am I reaching or do a couple masks in this first pic remind me of lightseeker masks. like the one holding the orb and th red triangle

[lyric isle]

if there's anyone korean here that went to there and took pictures pls pls pls show us

happy stimming rn no joke

enchantment concept art omg

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT ,

[uncut pond]

Concept art my beloved

[lyric isle]

actually it's good I wasn't there bc I think I would literaly explode

[raw crypt]

concept scares,, my blorbo, wonder why they changed their model near the end

[keen shore]

it’s really interesting seeing how the lights developed from like. The things they control in an orb. To glowing colors

[lyric isle]

ok this gives idea
what if coloured lights are made that way

the leg bouncing is so intense rn you hage not idea

I need the art book so bad

[raw crypt]

i have money in my paypal again so im just, tgc hiiiiiiii hiiiiiii

[lyric isle]

me begging for art book for birthday moment

mine is in december so

[violet sundial]

I thought colored lights were made by encasing normal light in some kind of “shell”

[raw crypt]

inb4 it doesnt come till 2023

[violet sundial]

No stop STOP you’re gonna jinx it

[uncut pond]

TGC just loves cranking the ambiguousness up to 11

[lyric isle]

man I should be working on Rhythm Doctor assets for level competition

multitasking is go

thinking about how wax turns blue in water. what if coloured lights are made with infusing the essence of whatever with light in its purest form

[violet sundial]

Me when i remove someone’s brain to make purple light 😍

[lyric isle]

"no no NO YOU DON'T NEED MIND AS IN SOMEONE'S BRAIN"

[violet sundial]

Snoozing carpenter learned that the hard way 👄

[lyric isle]

dear lor dfhgb

considering I think of the LP spirits as AI, they had to get said 'intelligence' from something no

[boreal nebula]

Hello Lorechat! Long time no see.

Do you remember The 2 ShieldI Theory? The one about two possible factions ( Sun & Diamond ) fighting each others?

Despite not being fond to this Ancestors VS Ancestors theory ( I like mOre the Elder mural pointing about a fight Ancestors VS Darkness/Death/Destruction. ) I had a wild idea today...

**What If ... the " Sun Shield" actually depicts a Darkplant leaf with thorns? **

It's odd I haven't thought that before, since there is some plants (spiky leaf + bulb) around some "Sun shield" which could have suggested the similary sooner, but maybe this wild idea just came into my mind after this season (being balanced between dark + light "spirits" and also by that "darkplant eyepatch")

[violet sundial]

Does this imply there’s ancestors who tried to become one with the darkness?

[boreal nebula]

Idk, mine it's just an idea ||maybe I subconscoiusly want to place doubts in all those parting with the Ancestors VS Ancestors ||

[rigid mural]

don't jinx it

[lyric isle]

offtopic but for fanfic purposes can I have a link to the LP concept art stream
is anything said about why the spirits are the way they are?

[raw crypt]

theres like 6 one moment, i thibk the only thing indicated abt their state is that chains = vices

[rigid mural]

If you're down to scroll through a year of tweets, it's on their official Twitter

[raw crypt]

here

[rigid mural]

You dropped this 👑

[lyric isle]

how could that work with them being created

idk I'm wanting to keep the headcanon stable

[raw crypt]

waiting to add performance concept art to that post, tgc hii hiiii hiii

[lyric isle]

does anything say they're normal spirits aaa
scared to watch in case it crumbles

[rigid mural]

They can be if you're not a coward !

[violet sundial]

This is my emo spirit oc Darkness Liker
His sexuality is bi
He likes death hurting peoples feelings and taking children’s candy
His sexuality is straight
He dislikes skykids, spirits, megabird, hatsune miku and YOU 🫵

[raw crypt]

the behind the scenes on the spirits r mostly abt how ppl on the team relate to them, with concept art to pair as they talk abt their experiences

[lyric isle]

I think they're AI of some kind so............yesn't
that's the most approximate term at least

ok goodo so nothing is confirmed on that behalf. just not wanting them to end up like how krill did

(something confirmed forcing me to start from scratch)

[raw crypt]

my memory is bad but yeah nothing solid aside from the chains iirc, i was jsut staring at the concept art bc the sillies

[lyric isle]

will think about how to incorporate these

[keen shore]

They just went to hot topic thats why they’re there

[raw crypt]

gloat went to CLAIRES

[violet sundial]

Gloat claires copypasta when

[eternal totem]

Yep, attendee’s got to keep copies from the concept art wall

[eternal totem]

From @/gwenthebarnacle on Insta

[raw crypt]

YESSS EATS THIS

omg pioneer in the corner

[keen shore]

Based on the treehouse next to it that might be one of the scouts

[raw crypt]

OHHH RIGHT

omg i wouldve killed for an umbrella assembly style
which is still very lightseeker like but YKNOW

[eternal totem]

Was disappointed when Assembly didn’t have umbrellas

[keen shore]

Any similarity between assembly and lightseekers is one I run at and eat with massive amounts of glee

[eternal totem]

I’m a bit surprised there’s some ancient Rhythm/Winter concept art in there, wonder if we’ll get Gratitude too

[nimble ingot]

Not sure what is the issue, the name does not give any results :/

[keen shore]

is it spelled barnacle instead?

[eternal totem]

There’s not much else to see from that user & yep I misspelled it

[violet sundial]

I need it so bad

[eternal totem]

Corner of the Performance bag concept art, you can see Stagehand

We should get more Performance concepts sometime soon 🤞

[keen shore]

chimes from wind paths…

OOOOOO I REALLY WANT TO SEE THAT FLIGHT PIECE AT THE TOP THAT SAYS “the wind vanes and chimes were brought along on the spirits exodus”

[eternal totem]

There’s power diamonds inside the bag too

[violet sundial]

Stagehand is a being of evil malicious intent/j

[eternal totem]

@ Salem
“Clearer” text might be here? But it’s ripped

[frigid tinsel]

spirit exodus
👀👀👀👀👀👀

[sharp lichen]

Oh no someone's asking me for details about time travel in Sky

[keen shore]

OOOOOOO I SEE IT HOLD ON LET ME TRY TO MAKE THE PICTURE CLEARER SO THAT THE TEXT IS READABLE
realm subtitles round 2

Wait no I can read it now without frying it hold on

[rigid mural]

YO CREATURE HUSKS INSIDE THE SHARDS
TAKING THIS FOR MY OCS
WE ARE FREEING CREATURES !!!

[rigid mural]

[eternal totem]

[frigid tinsel]

Creature husks inside the shards.
Creature husks inside the shards.
Creature husks inside the shards.

Like the “ancestor husks”

[keen shore]

Okay I am missing some words due to the lighter bg on the art but this is what I got

Materials are [x] completely [x] from the natural stone. The only materials that are brought from below are dark gray, the [x] and the docks. The docks were the first things built.
The Gold Chimes and Windvanes were brought along on the spirits exodus.

[eternal totem]

Oh I’m impressed, I can’t make any text out

[rigid mural]

I am going to go WILD
SPIRIT EXODUS SPIRIT EXODUS SPIRIT EXODUS

[keen shore]

Nothing detailing what the exodus part means but there’s a similar pic nearby, I will try to read it as well

[rigid mural]

TGC you can't put this all the way in Korea, we're already hyped for an art book
Let's hope I get my copy before any eventual scalper.

[eternal totem]

Attendees received print copies as well, that’s nice honestly

[rigid mural]

I feel like selling digitalized versions of these would work for TGC, especially without the hassle of shipping and all. They get money and we get to stop the wild goose chase gathering concept art scattered on their social media, at least for a bit.

[fickle wing]

sobbing and crying and bawling and wailing

[eternal totem]

Sniffing around social media like a starved Victorian orphan child

[rigid mural]

Like hey, that's one thing I wouldn't mind paying up for. Not like I won't get the physical art book, but for those of us for whom shipping might become a financial or custom obstacle, it would be great. Especially since the game is meant to connect people across the world so...

[eternal totem]

Agreed

[opaque lotus]

NOOOOOO HOW COULD YOU

[violet sundial]

LMAO

[keen shore]

OKAY HAD TO LEAVE FOR A BIT BUT IM BACK, WILL TRY TO READ

These are unfortunately a lot harder to make out than the first one so I’m struggling, but will try

doing these two if anyone can find clearer pics/wants to help! Both are flight concepts I think

[keen shore]

the last pic kupera posted here is better so I’m gonna try with it

[frigid tinsel]

Flight/Sanctuary concepts?

[keen shore]

Just flight I think, considering how the sanctuary bells are used in a reference for the first, implying they’re already constructed

[eternal totem]

Yeah those are Flight, Sanctuary concepts are elsewhere on the wall

[frigid tinsel]

I’m still hooked on “spirit exodus.” Exodus from what? Where?

[eternal totem]

This is the best I can find

[raw crypt]

the news post says smth similar but doesnt really elaborate on it either 😔

[keen shore]

I wonder if that’s what’s getting shown in the switch trailer… and like the new home in the intro… or is it just the flight spirits moving there?

[keen shore]

I feel like I can ALMOST decipher this image but not quite, it’s really infuriating

[frigid tinsel]

Part of me is thinking in terms of migration. people immigrate from one place to another when their origin is less liveable compared other areas — better career prospects when there’s vast unemployment and low wages, a more survivable environment when there’s hostile landscapes (extreme weather, flooding), calmer social environment when there’s persecution and political upheaval.

I’m leaning toward a spirit exodus from the Wasteland because obviously the Wasteland wasn’t always a wasteland. As industrialization kicked up, pollution would’ve made the landscape much more dangerous to live in over time. The Wind Paths, hosting a sustainable and eco-friendly environment full of light, would be an attractive home to those fleeing the darkness in Wasteland. A second immigrant option would be Valley because urban centers provide economic and cultural opportunities as people abandon the their homelands. There is also the proximity to Wasteland the Wind Paths don’t have.

[keen shore]

YES I THINK I GOT A READABLE ONE, LET ME TRY. credit for this is to han_ui12 I believe?

Towers are built (?)
Residence of the spirits (?)

And then the bell tower section. I don’t see exodus yet but i am looking very hard

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps the Wind Paths had more residential islands, they’re just still hidden by clouds?

[keen shore]

I think they’re talking about the ones you can find beds on!

[frigid tinsel]

True, though I’m thinking of space. The islands present in the Wind Paths now work like a lighthouse station — could house a handful of people who live where they work and are willing to sacrifice space. But if more ancestors lived in the Wind Paths than the four Flight spirits, wouldn’t there be more residential areas? Cos exodus implies a large migration of people

[earnest briar]

I was thinking people used the Wind Paths to migrate to other realms as Wasteland progressively got more and more ruined.

[hushed steeple]

I’m curious- when you go to the office- there is a billboard next to the refrigerator…. It talks about how each realm represents different stages of life… all except the vault… what does all this mean? And why is the vault the only place that doesn’t have a changing area?

[earnest briar]

Vault is Limbo maybe?

[keen shore]

Okay I think I can get some of the first paragraph. The ones in parenthesis are what I think is correct but are more up in the air than the others.

Towers are built [….] to […] the wind channels (on top). These were built [x] using materials brought from below on top of the original rock island.
Residence of the spirits living there would be inside the mountain.
[…] mirrors the shapes of the Sanctuary Bell Towers.

It looks like maybe this was an alternate piece of art showing the wind paths with less natural stuff?

[frigid tinsel]

During that early period of concept development, Vault didn’t exist. It was added later.

[earnest briar]

So then by that logic my idea of Vault representing Limbo or Purgatory would fit.

[frigid tinsel]

Except Vault is not limbo nor purgatory, it’s its own realm

[hushed steeple]

Is there a deeper meaning to all the stages of life,?

[keen shore]

Okay, so the stages of life thing was a piece of concept that was probably carried over to the final game. You can see more about in 7 days of Sky, which was posted on Twitter and Instagram I believe, and is also in pins.

From what I remember isle was birth, prairie was childhood, forest is teenagehood, valley is early adulthood, wasteland is middle age, vault is elderly, and Eden is death.
It also carried over into times of day for similar reasons, which is why you sometimes see, for example, wasteland called dusk. The stages of life influenced the elder designs as well, although the 7 days of Sky stuff explains it better than me

[earnest briar]

And ||Orbit|| is rebirth, right?

[keen shore]

yeah!

[rigid mural]

I like to think Ancestors used to migrate alongside light creatures but sedentarized when darkstone made it easier to stay in one place and gather light to power civilization !
Perhaps some tried to go back to a nomadic lifestyle when they realized how harmful the industry was, so the exodus would be towards Eden ?

[keen shore]

Hmmmm, there are lots of permanent structures in the wind paths though… especially the docks and houses.

[earnest briar]

It seems like some places were more in tune with the Light Creatures than others. The Prairie Village and Sanctuary Islands come to mind.

[keen shore]

It could also be that the flight spirits left forest when it was starting to fill with darkstone stuff to establish their new home. There is some scattered evidence that forest was abandoned and re-explored or discovered later, the first of which would also provide a motivation for them to leave

Although, considering flight guides backstory, I would guess that they’re from prairie

[frigid tinsel]

Re: Vela — Oh that’s definitely feasible. I just know it’s hard to live a migratory lifestyle when the world becomes accustomed to sedentary living

[keen shore]

The migratory option would be cool but I don’t think it’s true in canon specifically, Just because there’s so much effort put into altering the area, like the docks, bannered trail markers, and arches for instance

Since they wouldn’t be able to take that stuff with them? idk

[frigid tinsel]

Thinking of indigenous groups who can’t really revive their historial migratory lifestyles because of private property

[keen shore]

My working idea is that they weren’t really refugees, they just left prairie to establish the wind paths out of their own volition. However alasdair is right earlier about the word exodus feeling like it should be used for more than 5 spirits

[rigid mural]

Effort being put into an area doesn't mean that they couldn't be migratory; they could very well have made more refuges (with this one being the main one) to go through on their way ! I know a lot of cultures in Africa followed the rains that way, so they would leave an area for a few seasons to come back the next year !

[keen shore]

Oooooo that could explain why all the stuff that would degrade if exposed to the weather, like their beds and stuff, look like you can easily pick them up and take them places! The docks could be left behind with consistent traveling without issue

[rigid mural]

Although it's only partially canon, you could argue the islands at the entrance of tunnels from the Flight area could have been modified as well, especially with the presence of wind vanes as far as the Hermit Valley.

[frigid tinsel]

Been thinking about the Forest being abandoned theory. Cave of Propechy murals show wildfires in Forest caused by orange light. Perhaps that’s why Forest was abandoned — frequent forest fires drove out prior inhabitants. When Forest Elder got blue light, they used it to create rain to depress the fires, encouraging people to repopulate

[rigid mural]

[earnest briar]

I’ve always seen the Wind Paths as the hub between the realms it is. People can come and go, but there’s always a few people living there to take care of things and guide visitors, aka the Flight Spirits. The Chimesmith and the Builder work together to keep things in good condition, the Light Whisperer takes care of Light Creatures, be they passing through on their own or rides. The Navigator makes sure passage between the realms is safe and orderly, and the Guide is who people go to for answers and wisdom.

[tall mountain]

Sorry for the late ping in reply to this, but huh... That would make sense then. Thanks!

[rigid mural]

Thinking about it, the actual season area in forest could be where the crew meets up; in-game we always fall in Home or the Isle of Dawn, but I like to think ancestors would fall back down all over the kingdom, so it would be useful for the flight crew to have a place they can wait for the others at.

Maybe they felt the cataclysm coming and decided to stay together in this home they made instead of going back to Eden while the winds looked really nasty...

[frigid tinsel]

And when the Wind Paths closed, they got stuck

[rigid mural]

Yeah :(
At least they died together and were freed at the same time, not separated.

[tough coral]

I'm still quite fond of my theory that the flight spirits were a rebellion against the king

[keen shore]

YEAH I think they were too! On top of everything else that is. Although I think it might’ve been against darkstone in general

[frigid tinsel]

They could’ve been, but not an active violent rebellion, rather an isolationist counterculture that separates itself from the society they disagree with. If the king encouraged the darkstone usage and the majority of ancestor society agreed with them, an effective rebellion would be to disengage and do your own thing that aligned with your own principles — in the Flight spirits’ case, an eco-friendly sustainable lifestyle that fostered light rather than captured it.

With or without advertising, seeing the Wind Paths flourish with light compared to the darkness industrial Wasteland pumped would be a great attractor

[rigid mural]

oh my god they were punk icons

Flight guide wearing hand-me-down leather jackets from their great-grandparent
(leather-free usually means plastic, and washing these means putting a bunch of microplastics in the water)

[sharp lichen]

Anti-Flight microplastic Gun

[keen shore]

hear me out, what if the sky version of those are their feathers

[nimble ingot]

Like Howl would walk in the air, and his coat just hangs off his shoulders like a superman cape?

[rigid mural]

your mind

[violet sundial]

I wonder if there’s a deeper meaning behind the feathers like how there is irl

[keen shore]

My new headcanon as to what the feathers would mean is that they’re a rebel symbol because of how birds and light creatures are treated in this world. also flight guide has more than the others so I wonder if that’s like, a leader thing ?

[violet sundial]

Ooh that’s interesting

[keen shore]

I totally did not make this up on the spot after vela liked my idea

[rigid mural]

punk flight guide was something i didnt know i needed
shoutout to the trans anarchist wlw that take care of the local gay center in my town

[lean ivy]

do yall think the spirits could take on a normal life as spirits on the lands of sky, just- skykids cant see them aside the memory activation thing?

like, they just- go on with their afterlife normally without being seen at all, and just having those-... I'll call 'fragments' of themselves kneeling down until a sky kid comes to revive its memory?

[rigid mural]

I think Alasdair had this idea where some of the spirit memories seems to be them trying to recollect their memories, having a feeling they already went there and something possibly important happened, but they don't remember what.

Salem also had a theory dark plants (and maybe darkness in general) would absorb memories, as you can see they sometimes grow there (like in refusing voyager, slumbering shipwright or tearful light miner's memories) !

[lean ivy]

true

[frigid tinsel]

Punk Flight guide rocks elder bird, non-binary patch 🤘

[keen shore]

I LOVE THEM SO MUCH, ELDER BIRD JACKET

[lean ivy]

idk if Im dwelling too hard on the spirits.. aftermath? cuz my brain finally flashbanged me with the awareness that theyre all dead and Im still trying to wrap my head around it correctly- theres children spirits.. a- children bRo..

[frigid tinsel]

Yea the spirit themself is petrified in those husks. We follow spirit memories, which manifest due to the location or are memories the wandering spirit shed before getting petrified. Following the spirit memories unveiled the petrified spirit for us to free

[lean ivy]

I know Im just- idk my brain is a scrambled mess rn idk why it hurt to get the realization- I think Ive gotten too attatched to these charactes smh

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT, sometimes just seeing the spirit memories whacks you over the head with emotions. Like. How long has it been since they’ve seen the sun

[frigid tinsel]

Well, we’re saving them. We free them from darkness so they can ascend. They reunite with their lost loved ones in the Light.

[lean ivy]

ik its weird and Im killing the mood rn Im just reeling really hard
Im looking up at the king and Im going to dropkick them, I dont care if theyre the size of a EdenDamned building Im going to steal their kneecaps

[lean ivy]

that is very true, although it still hurts like a bee sting

[frail marten]

So guys i just wanted to share this lonely crab that swims under the grandma area in hidden forest. From some angles you can even see his eyes glow.. so sad 🥺

Has anyone seen it too? What do you guys think, why is it down there all alone?

Sorry if this is too random :D

[rigid mural]

Maybe an asset for shard events ? There's a similar one in the prairie caves.

[frail marten]

Ooh yes, didn't think of that! Wonder why its so lonely tho ^^

[rigid mural]

Maybe it's multiple crabs superimposed on eachother to save space ?

[frail marten]

Okay that makes sense :D thank u! Maybe we will never know if they where there before the season update ^^

[graceful lance]

meanwhile in the fainting warriors memory:

I'm dead now

[rigid mural]

So is the Fainting Warrior !

[sharp lichen]

I wonder how spirits age? Do they die? How are they born?

here’s me thinking about the scientific part of Sky again

[lean ivy]

The spirits were alive before turning into spirits

theyre all already dead, now if they age may depend if theyre even counting how long its been

[earnest briar]

Man Sky is really dark but hides it behind a cutesy exterior for the most part

I mean we have literal children Spirits which means they died young from either the Eden eruption or stuff like starvation/Darkness pollution.

[uncut pond]

Tbf Sky barely hides the darker elements, no person that has made it to at least wasteland could possibly think Sky as a whole has a cutesy exterior

[calm jay]

skykids literally die at the end i dont think they exactly hide the dark elements

[earnest briar]

I mean like for the first few realms of the game past that point we have corrupted zombie creatures that attack us on sight and a place where we must sacrifice ourselves to save our brethren.

[frigid tinsel]

Isle is a desert with boats buried in the same, a sign of some sort of long-passed desolation.

[nimble ingot]

Random theory: Back in Light Awaits, we have what was called Aviary.
An aviary, by definition is a place where birds are kept.
Since it has been removed, I wonder if Dawn is empty because it is missing the Aviary and the content that used to be there was never fully replaced (leaving it as empty as it is).
Or if it might be added back in the future?

I sincerely hope it is the latter, because the realm feels broken in more ways than one (and I am not talking about the game).
1 - The elder's mask is broken (possibly a connection to the realm also a bit broken and missing a few pieces).
2 - The elder is known to guide birds. Presenting the bird connection that is iconic compared to other realms.
(Especially with day being butterflies/mantas, forest is jellies/fish, valley is mantas/birds, wasteland is krill/fish, vault is memory mantas, and eden is krill)
3 - It used to be the place where skykids get started and gather (similar to the home being like a social area).
4 - It used to be one of the few realm areas with references to all other realms (aside from vault and home). But now Dawn does with the constellation (although personally not a fan as it makes the sky feel crowded and Dawn less important to the story. Even though it is since it is a starting point, but the constellations make it feel like the game wants skykids to immediately move on to the next realm, since the other constellations are there. And no other realm does this except for Vault, which does so very well in a cutscene and not with the constellations shoved onto the screen.).

[torn eagle]

Aviary was supposed to be after dawn no? And its function is to be the home equivalent in light awaits

Correct me if Im wrong but devs removed that for purposes I forgot and they were gonna add aviary in some way but that isnt confirmed going to be the case since theyre not sure how to implement it in the current game

[nimble ingot]

correct.
The reason (as far as I know) was to help skykids get started sooner, and the vast space made getting to each realm portal take longer than compared to home with them much closet to each other.

[eternal totem]

Aviary might not return in its former glory, but there will be references to it in current content, most notably being the Wind Paths

[nimble ingot]

Agreed

[violet sundial]

Also performance issues on lower end phones 📱

[tough coral]

aviary makes me giggle bc ive always thought of skykids as being like Really Weird Birds. aviary, where you keep your Weird Bird Kids

[sharp lichen]

A fun meta thing I thought of was for the aviary to return, but modified to prevent performance issues.

What was causing them in the first place?

[violet sundial]

Troupe greeter. Idk they cause everything/j

[uncut pond]

Probably the sheer amount of objects and detailed complex geometry in the scene plus it was a very big area iirc

Like honestly just from looking at old footage of the aviary I get the feeling that even actual consoles could struggle with it

[sharp lichen]

I mean so is Sanctuary Islands and Wind Paths

[uncut pond]

Sanctuary doesn't seem to have the insane level of detail Aviary had and wind paths are mostly covered with clouds

Plus probably Sky must have some sort of LOD system in place which has been improved over the years because otherwise wind paths would make the average phone catch fire

[crude flame]

(The Sanctuary Islands and Wind Paths certainly make my iPad catch fire still. ) I think that one of the main issues with Aviary being so big and detailed is that it was going to serve as the primary hub area. Players would naturally spend a lot of time there, and it wouldn’t have been good if the area was super demanding on devices, but that’s just one of my personal guesses.
Even if it doesn’t make sense though, I’d still love to see Aviary come back, it was so pretty

[potent sedge]

am i the only one that notices that valley doesn't have a lot of murals, i assume it's due to the elders being way younger than the other elders and thus don't have much time to have many murals regarding them

[keen shore]

no, you aren’t the only person to notice that. murals just become less common in the later realms, even more of the ones you see in wasteland are on a boat drawn by people from another land

[potent sedge]

maybe it was because of the war

[frigid tinsel]

murals might've been discouraged in Valley cos it's an urban center and they would have laws against graffiti.

[fair knot]

Maybe they don't need it ... They could be a new city/kingdom at that time, their city its not destroyed like the rest of Sky, and Vault could store there stories, history, memories, etc

[frozen egret]

This might not be right, but I’ve been thinking about the new trailer for the new season. I keep getting vibes that Aurora is important to sky, idk why

[frigid tinsel]

Aurora songs the vocals in the beginning Isle soundtrack and the ascension music

[willow prawn]

Hiiii, I've been missing for some months but 👀 what new theories are going on with the season?

[hoary ingot]

Hey, Lore! Question: Are these.. manta eggs?

[graceful oasis]

Easter eggs.

[floral grove]

Ready your hammers yall

[stark quarry]

Some theorize that its the egg of big elder birb

This birb

Also isn't there 3 of em why is it only 2

[floral grove]

Maybe one of them hatched

[hollow acorn]

AP15 "Questgiver" crystal
Shattering guide seems to have taken into account several crystal forms.

And this sketch..which season👀

[floral grove]

I think thats a concept for Days of Winter because of the snow and Christmas tree. Perhaps we were supposed to be served rice cakes during the event at Homespace

Also I thought that Christmas tree looked like Eden. It would be funny to see a decorated Eden at a distance during the next Days of Winter

[hollow acorn]

Oh that makes sense cool

And decorated Eden sounds fun lol

[floral grove]

Also, blackhaired Sky Kid at the bottom

[woven talon]

random question but... what do u guys think every realm would smell like?

[eternal totem]

Belonging concept art

They had a fancier getup during earlier concepts

[eternal totem]

Salem, analysis

[copper saffron]

different forms of darkstone is all i got

[calm jay]

man all those look so interesting. we couldve had an egg questgiver and we ended up with ♦️

[karmic ledge]

whoa whered this come from haha i didnt realize things got released 👀

[fickle wing]

sky assembly korea
this is like the equivalent of a bunch of raccoons digging thru stuff n finding the jackpot of snacks like an entire box of pizza

[midnight owl]

Gonna transcribe the descriptions for everyone (I can't make out everything tho )
A - cooled down eden crystal but with golden (good) light at its core
B - [bones?] visible like a fossilized egg
C - geode-like
D - rock bottom crystals [and I can't read the rest of it]
E - Red [tinged?] crystal but with golden (good) light at its core
F - [?] of creatures visible inside
G - a hurricane alarm [I can't read anything else]

[karmic ledge]

D- rock on bottom, crystals are square not triangular (AKA Safe)
F-Hints of creatures visible inside
G-Ripples like a hurricane storm vortex

The rest is accurate, good eye this was the first of several concept pages I did exploring what the questgiver this season would be/could look like!

[brittle folio]

The colors in the artwork 🤩🤩🤩

[nimble ingot]

If one may ask, would these concepts be drawn up by one artist, or several in collaboration for the concept art?

[hushed steeple]

I have a theory that the crystal of Eden would have absorbed all the stars, referring to the new fresco that we see in Eden. And I was wondering if the creatures hadn't been absorbed either ? Or that the crystal would have acquired a kind of consciousness.... maybe the king/prince got absorbed by the crystal ? and that the frozen memories come from him ?

the idea came to me from the inspiration of the movie Atlantis from Disney

[eternal totem]

I couldn’t quite make out what Playfight was carrying but it turns out to be Light blooms

[nimble ingot]

It is very possible, it looks similar to tiny memory mantas

[eternal totem]

Also, a close up on one of the Perf’s concepts
By @/farsla300

[hushed steeple]

Where did u find this

[round parrot]

About the Shattering Crabs, what effect does the shards do on them? Like yes, I know it makes them more aggressive and impossible to flip over, but how did that shard get there in the first place? Are the Shattering crabs still even alive, but reanimated by shards?

[earnest briar]

I think it's like the crystals overgrow on the crabs, and the extra Darkness makes them more aggressive and resistant to our calls. I've always interpreted our calls as us sending out a bit of Light to attract butterflies, or make Light Creatures respond to us if we use the right frequency of call. (Jellyfish call for Jellyfish response, etc.) This Light is enough to stun crabs, but because the crystals are amplifying the crabs's Darkness, they can resist it.

[round parrot]

Or perhaps absorb that light for them to know our location (from my observations)

[earnest briar]

Although funnily enough, memory candles can trick them. If someone puts down a candle and records some deep calls, others can use it to keep the crabs off their backs.

[round parrot]

THAT'S SMART

[eternal totem]

On Twitter, I sited a source for the user. Those were revealed for a Korean Sky Assembly

[torn eagle]

Eggs? Did I read that right? Its blurred on me end TvT

[keen shore]

I WOULDVE TRIED THIS BUT YOU SENT IT AT 5AM FOR ME SO I WAS ASLEEP 💔
thank u for mentioning me tho!! I rlly appreciate it

[rigid iron]

Aww I wish we had an art wall at the Long Beach assembly

[keen shore]

I’ve been stalking every photo I can find of the art wall to try and get text off it. There’s still one picture I haven’t managed to decipher

[keen shore]

which is this one that looks like it’s from flight

[sturdy onyx]

The 2nd pic looks like the wing menu icon.

It could be that the character shown on the mural (Aurora) is actually the human form of the Megabird, and the Megabird can sing because it’s Aurora. Though, I might be wrong.

[eternal totem]

Yes, Light blooms is the official name for these mushrooms at Forest

[graceful oasis]

…..We need these things……..Why must they they make them not exist…..

[sturdy onyx]

Ahhh okk! Didn’t know so thank you my bad

[eternal totem]

The tucked in version existed at one point in beta

I really like the 3 in the middle

[sharp lichen]

is that jelly whisperer golden suit??

[eternal totem]

It’s concept art for the Rally manta suit, it seems like they tried to mix in cosmic manta as well onto the design

[graceful oasis]

Stole this shot from one of the photos posted at Vault of socials….. Flicking I want one of these now.

[graceful oasis]

…….Crying at the outfit that we currently have to wear

[floral grove]

That Spirit unironically scares me

The way their body moves and looks screams uncanny valley

[eternal totem]

Wherever I go… They’re there

[frigid tinsel]

Looks like they were cut in half and squished back together

[graceful oasis]

Like a action figure….

[eternal totem]

It looked like you had a cute belly

[keen shore]

Admiring actor 2

[willow parcel]

Does anyone know how tall each of the elders are?

[sharp lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1ob6DeBbMUF0bSfeRlfwqSoF_8HWEhp_HMrgiwmZZxsI/mobilebasic

However the Elder names are really weird and outdated

[keen shore]

I only remember vault being 5’2” because they’re 2 inches taller than me

[eternal totem]

I have never heard of Alaf/Aleph in my life

[frigid tinsel]

Isle Elder is 8’9”.
Prairie Elder is 15’5” (debated).
Forest Elder is 10’1”.
Valley Elder(s) is 7’5” (I think them bejng separate heights is misjudged due to perspective).
Wasteland Elder is 9’10”.
Vault Elder is 5’2”.

[eternal totem]

Oh I didn’t even notice the different heights for Valley, yeah they’re exactly the same height

[forest hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-taking-notes-notes-michael-j-fox-im-writing-this-down-gif-16242461

[frigid tinsel]

Links don’t embed in this server btw

[forest hornet]

NOOOOO I FORGOT NO GIFS
🎶 hello darkness my old friend~ 🎶

[frigid tinsel]

Personally I think Wasteland Elder is taller and Prairie Elder is shorter than what’s given but I don’t have the means to prove that

[uncut pond]

I still cannot process that Forest is taller than Wasteland and Prairie is just comically huge compared to everyone else

[frigid tinsel]

Yea that’s why I think those two heights are incorrect. Both Wasteland and Prairie Elders are huge in comparison to the other Elders, but it seems slightly off

[uncut pond]

It's also funny to think that I'm taller than Vault Elder despite being short

They're so TINY

[karmic ledge]

it depends honestly! This specific image was just myself, but the task itself transitioned from me doing exploration concept variations to passing it off to another artist once the look was mostly there for the polish stage, so to speak! the work I did for Shattering was mostly support, so once I had reached a stage of nearly-there with the questgiver, an artist who was on the Shattering season team took over and finalized it

Generally for a task it can be anywhere from 1-3 artists, and if it is 1 artist it will generally never be truly solo since you always ask for feedback and brainstorm ideas/etc together if that makes sense!

[frigid tinsel]

Ash jumpscare

[uncut pond]

That's every interesting to hear! Different teams of devs usually have very different workflows and it's always interesting to see how different companies handle the creative process with multiple artists on the team

[keen shore]

That one piece of shattering concept art is super interesting to me Bc it shows they didn’t go straight for the Eden eye as the questgiver… poking

[karmic ledge]

yeah TGC is no AAA company so what we do here might be completely different from one of that size, or an even smaller indie company! but at least currently, thats kinda how it shakes out

yeah that was the first page i did of several! since it was the first page i was really just brainstorming anything which is why theyre all really varied

i wanted to play with the idea of stored memories/life-in-a-sense inside the crystal and how it could reflect as a design

[keen shore]

all the concepts on the page are really cool! I will not lie, am taking many notes on how you drew the crystals

[karmic ledge]

painting rocks is FUN!!! (i may have rendered it more than i needed to to show the concept idea but i just enjoyed painting rocks )

[keen shore]

PAINTING ROCKS MY HATED

[karmic ledge]

also i love that my old thrillseeker pants ideas made an appearance...they finally saw the light

[frigid tinsel]

Honestly concept art is incredibly beautiful. I know things can’t match 1-to-1 in the final game, but it goes to show the devs’ vision for the world of Sky

[keen shore]

YEAH!! I kept getting distracted last night when I was trying to decipher the text on some of them because the artwork was so gorgeous. I couldn’t tell what to focus on

[uncut pond]

Hey Ash do you know why did they end up chosing an extremely simplified-looking design for the Shattering guide and not something slightly more detailed-looking like the concept art? Was it for performance reasons or was there some deeper reasoning for the final design?

[keen shore]

it’s because the simple design rock-s

[karmic ledge]

to all 2.5 questions you asked

theres also things to consider too like established visual language, etc so that new things feel like they come from Sky, not from another game or world too. So that brainstorm page-I wasnt expecting any of those to be the 'final' design, but rather create an avenue of which to explore motifs from further! I think we ended up choosing A to go from there, which eventually led into what you see now ingame

very rarely does the first concept idea drawn end up being chosen as a final design

[keen shore]

I’ve been really interested in how colors and shapes work in Sky recently bc some have influence from general ideas, like red and harsh triangular shapes being dangerous, but some like blue representing isolation/darkness isn’t something I’ve seen before

It’s super cool, and so are the symbols everywhere, !!! I love it so much

[graceful oasis]

…..They are epic jumpsuits….

[keen shore]

manta fursuit my beloved

[frigid tinsel]

Yea I see it in writing — sometimes I’ll cut or transform stuff written in the first draft so it’s very different from the completed final piece but still resembles the first.

[rigid mural]

How many pictures do you usually thumbnail before reaching what we can see on concept art ? Something in the hundreds ?

[eternal totem]

Was this pre-boat? I can see the seasonal symbol is some sort of porting boat, but the camel reference image caught my eye, or was it just a color palette reference? Is this concept related to some of the issues the team faced early in the season’s concepts?

[keen shore]

THE CAMEL IMAGE CAUGHT MY EYE TOO IVE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT THAT

[karmic ledge]

its admittedly hard to answer that because things vary from season to season and also from task to task do you mean on a specific task or a season in general? and by thumbnails do you mean sketchy thumbnails or just explorations in general before landing on a final design?

[karmic ledge]

iirc it was pre-boat era!! this wasnt the earliest lineup for enchantment but it was an earlier one!!

[rigid mural]

The sketchy thumbnails that a really small, I remember the exercises in art school and how I was told not to spend too much time on them (harder than I thought).

For example, what about the shattering guide one ? I'm mostly asking because I like pretending to do concept art the "right" way for a story of my own so !

[frigid tinsel]

Perhaps the Enchantment crew were going to be wandering traders riding animals rather than merchants on a ship. You did say that the boat was your idea and helped resolve some narrative issues

[keen shore]

My best guess as to the Issues is that they were “how the hell did they get to wasteland”

[raw crypt]

i dont have any questions myself but its rlly cool to have a dev give further insight on things so thank you so much for answering some of our questions/providing insight! 💕💕 its really appreciated

[sturdy onyx]

I hope that in the future, there will be new creatures such as for exemple the lost Deer on the concept art but I do not think it’ll be implemented.. But yeah new light creatures or riding creatures !

[rigid iron]

This is my favorite concept art ever for one of my favorite spirits ever

[sturdy onyx]

I-

[keen shore]

I JUDT NOTICED THE SPIRAL GLASSES

[rigid mural]

This is so cool, I am very curious about how stuff works at TGC because the art team is still really small, so it makes me want to try making my own stuff (I'm still alone but at least it's a more reachable goal than triple A games) !

[raw crypt]

Sunbather the absolute beloved sunbather sweep

[frigid tinsel]

Sunbather just vibes

[eternal totem]

I want spiral glasses now, they look like

[raw crypt]

giving fire prophet the shadow glasses

[rigid iron]

The odds that one of the shadows in fire trial is Sunbather are low...but never zero

[raw crypt]

Have we ever seen sunbather and a shadow together? exactly

[eternal totem]

That’s exactly what happens in the spirit’s memory

Yeah crabs got long legs

[keen shore]

The hat on the crab, as well as the colors of its legs and the dot near its eyes (like a mask design) make the crab look very human and it’s freaking me out

[frigid tinsel]

Spider crab

[rigid mural]

Spider crab
Spider crab
Does whatever a spider can

[keen shore]

It looks like a detached human head with crab legs on it, I want to punt it

[frigid tinsel]

Kick crab like soccer ball

[rigid mural]

Why are you mean to them, they did nothing wrong

[eternal totem]

I’m bumping my absolute craziest breakthrough

[frigid tinsel]

They stole Sunbather’s stuff

[nimble ingot]

That is cool.
Thank you, Ash

[rigid mural]

That's on sunbather having so much drip they gotta share !

[keen shore]

Me, who just discovered crab walkers hair doesn’t have a tassel:

[frigid tinsel]

If you like someone’s look, you ask where they shop, not steal their stuff

[rigid mural]

I would like to see you explain the economy to a crab.

[eternal totem]

I wonder why Enchantment was a kid in some concepts though

[frigid tinsel]

Doesn’t excuse their behavior

[rigid iron]

I'd love to know who at TGC is drawing the crabs running like little guys because it's my favorite thing every time I see it

[raw crypt]

that is a man

[eternal totem]

NONOT THIS AGAIN

[rigid mural]

Cackling at the idea of them running like this but animated.

[rigid iron]

Holding up this featherless biped like "BEHOLD"

[raw crypt]

EXACTLY

[frigid tinsel]

Hearing Looney Tunes music imagining this

[eternal totem]

Cartoon running SFX

[rigid mural]

Holding a crab by the front legs and letting the back ones rest on the ground to make it look like a biped.

[frigid tinsel]

I think we’ll have problems once crabs learn to walk on two legs and figure out how to use it’s hands

[keen shore]

crabs walking on two legs to days of bloom shenangins pipeline ,

[frigid tinsel]

I’m afraid

[keen shore]

that crab looks familiar but I don’t know why

[frigid tinsel]

It looks like a frog

[frigid tinsel]

Angry frog energy omg.

I feel like I should be polite to this gentleman

[rigid iron]

Put him in a silly little tie

[rain pond]

yall whats the lore topic rn

[frigid tinsel]

If crabs were biped

[slim plume]

If crabs were biped red shard crabs would be horrific

[frigid tinsel]

They’d box us

[rigid iron]

Angry crabs running towards you at terrifying speeds

[graceful oasis]

I think this somewhat relates to the topic…. But crab just is frog spider…

[rigid iron]

Gorgeous

[karmic ledge]

ah!! yeah i dont do hundreds-we honestly dont have enough time to do hundreds of sketches before making the next step anyways
Rough doodles are a thing though, but typically i dont do rough tiny thumbnails unless im working out a composition for an illustration. most concept art actually isnt typically an illustration! sometimes theyre scribbles of how a cloth wraps around a thing, or how something opens up, turnarounds, or paintovers etc. any illustration stuff I do during concept phase tends to be pretty early on when we're just feeling out the general look and mood of the season, and those also dont tend to be super polished (cause we dont typically have a ton of time to spend in that phase, in comparison to big animation studios)

like this one from abyss is a later development stage concept, I didnt do any thumbnails for it though because it was a paintover of an already existing 3d model! The environment artists wanted some ideas for how the area could look, the 3d model before I painted over it was pretty barren

[rigid mural]

Ah I see, I see ! Thank you for answering !
I know that 3D paintovers are among the tests to become a designer at TGC
This is so cool !

[rain pond]

not me still wondering what stuff I have to take in A levels and uni to get a job as 3d modeller for sky cotl

[karmic ledge]

yeah 3d paintovers are a common bread and butter among game concept art! its part of every development here at tgc generally, whether its fancy paintings or more quick scribbles to show an idea you have for how something should look when you're working with a 3d artist

[rigid mural]

How much thumbnailing did you do for the shattering guide art discussed above ?

[karmic ledge]

no thumbnails, if you're meaning stuff like this:

[rigid mural]

I am so excited, this is so cool, I hope I'm not overwhelming you !

[karmic ledge]

i did some sketches of possible shapes and then picked out a few from that to render to present to the lead artist on shattering!

and you're all good

[rigid mural]

Thank you a lot, it's always interesting to get an insight on how stuff is done !

[rain pond]

analysis of this:
The golden diamond objects (presumed to be molds or containers, evidenced by polluted geyser having some that still contain diamonds) would probably not be thrown into the sea, plus the structure there implies that this rea used to be aboveground, suggesting a massive ecological event in which the sea levels rose dramatically. This flood matches with my earlier theory, which leaves one question - why was it flooded?

[karmic ledge]

id recommend watching the gnomon talk here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwcNVlpymNk our lead environment/3d artist aaron talks about how sky is made (and journey too) from a 3d artists perspective!

[rigid iron]

Please Ash, who draws the funny crabs?

[karmic ledge]

that was yui! i also LOVE that running crab drawing too

he draws the best crabs tbh

[eternal totem]

She’s a runner she’s a trackstar

[karmic ledge]

YES

i wasnt sure if that one was released (i forgot) but the sanctuary crabs are also amazing

[graceful oasis]

Crabs go at high speeds…..Crab racing…. Crab racing….

[karmic ledge]

(also drawn by yui)

[frigid tinsel]

That crab would strut down the runway

[rigid iron]

Please tell Yui he's done a great service for crab enjoyers

[karmic ledge]

i shall

[graceful oasis]

And then there is Crab Whisperer……

[white junco]

crab: runs like a man
CW: runs like a creature

[frigid tinsel]

Crab Whisperer would adopt Yui’s crabs

[rigid iron]

Oh 100% they would

[eternal totem]

What would they name it

[raw crypt]

The Beast

[white junco]

THE BEAST

[calm topaz]

Can someone please explain the lore of Eden to me?

[eternal totem]

Breakfast (they’re not going to eat it its just named Breakfast)

[raw crypt]

gives breakfast a hot pink tie

[rigid mural]

i love this so much

[sharp lichen]

Short answer: diamond blew up people died

Long answer: the Eden Diamond, placed there by a resident of the Sky kingdom, spewed out darkness that destroyed Eden.

[white junco]

YES

[calm topaz]

Cool but what was the eden diamond for?

[white junco]

there are a couple theories, but there’s no one answer for that

[calm topaz]

Plus how do you know? Where can I go to find the answers too?

[frigid tinsel]

By the name, we can assume Eden used to be a holy site when beings of light could ascend. The Eden diamond was placed there for some reason but according to this Eden mural, was revered and celebrated. As Spade said, there are a couple theories for why the Eden diamond was created in the first place. Something went wrong, the Eden diamond corrupted, and as a result spews out darkness and generates the Storm

Theories on the Eden Diamond’s original purpose:

1. was intended as an ultimate power source perhaps harnessing the Eden beam’s energy.
2. was an artificial sun to flood the world in light. This goes into the two apocalypses theory where “the stars fell” was the first disaster Chosen One was meant to save the kingdom from. The Eden diamond returned light to the sky, at least was meant to.
3. was to replace or eat Megabird/the Light. The ancestors, having strayed from the light and relying on darkstone technology, sought to take over Megabird or worship their own material hubris. Essentially attempt to kill god.

Whatever the Eden Diamond’s original purpose was, something went wrong. We don’t know how it corrupted, but corrupted it did and now it constantly spews out darkness.

[calm topaz]

What about golden wasteland? :>

Do you know anything about there?

[frigid tinsel]

Industrial pollution produced darkness, likely a byproduct of manufacturing power diamonds. By the factories and pipelines throughout the realm, it was presumably a hub for industrialization. The resultant darkness killed off the realm’s wildlife and darkened it. Wasteland’s proximity to the Storm, creating its constant cloud cover, does not help since it blocks most sunlight.

[uncut pond]

I just had an idea, what if the Dark Creatures in Wasteland weren't aiming for the Eden Diamond, but for the Vault of Knowledge? Light seems to be directly tied to memories, so one could argue Vault stored tons of light in the memory cubes

Maybe the Diamond was meant to be an attempt at cleansing the Darkness of Wasteland to protect the Vault, a source of Light so powerful it would keep the Darkness at bay, and this Diamond would use Mt. Eden's Beam as it's source of light

Anyways I really hope the later memories of Shattering do eventually show anything about the ancestors or elders, we know that memories exist within the Diamond so we have to see ancestors in a memory sooner or later

Wait no,
what if the Diamond was an attempt at replacing The Light/Orbit? We know memory cubes store memories/Light, so how do we know that ancestors were trying to create a safe haven from Darkness? A "simulation" of an afterlife? Perhaps Ancestors in life were able to return to the Light to be reborn like skids do, but they wanted a permanent afterlife

[keen wren]

I have a dumb theory about the Eden diamond though it’s not likely to be true. What if it was always intended to spread darkness/unleash the storm but the people were lead to believe it was a good thing by the King? Idk just throwing out ideas

[rain pond]

there is no precedent for diamonds actively spreading corruption in a neutral state, but we have no access to the earlier state of the Eden diamond so anything is possible.

There is something else though - why would the King want to destroy everything, possibly including themself?

[keen wren]

Mmmmm good question

[sturdy onyx]

Nothing is dumb, everyone has their own ideas! ❤️

[keen wren]

…I have no idea

[forest hornet]

Oooh love these
But the real question is how was it made

[uncut pond]

We "know" (heavily implied but not confirmed) Darkstone can be used to store spells although we don't know the specifics

[rain pond]

darkstone storing spells?

enlighten me on this

[forest hornet]

Darkstone?

[uncut pond]

Diamonds

[forest hornet]

Oooh you guys mean the power diamonds?
I'm sorry I'm new to all these sky terms

[old bolt]

Or they didn't want to be trapped in a cycle of dying and being reborn and wanted to live forever and the Diamond was meant to help to achieve this goal somehow

[uncut pond]

It's heavily implied that the crystal-like things that store spells are power diamonds/darkstone, and that ancestors used these spells in life

[sharp lichen]

Darkstone is the material used to produce power diamonds.

Power diamonds are the things you see that open doors and such.

[forest hornet]

Ooh okay! I get it now
Thanks! ^^

[frigid tinsel]

Darkstone is mined from the ground. You can see a bunch spilled over in Treasure Reef. Through some process, it is refined into power diamonds, which act as batteries

[forest hornet]

Off topic but
Is this actual concept art?

[rain pond]

i think so

[forest hornet]

That's awesome cuz I've found this site with an absolute ton of Sky concept art

Oh? OH?

[surreal ether]

Bruh where are you guys finding this stuff

[forest hornet]

I'm finding this stuff on this site called TOM ZHAO
Just endless art

[rain pond]

i've...
made some of this stuff before, realized it in 3D

[forest hornet]

Wait so you've made some of this stuff?

[rain pond]

in my free time, yes.

not officially for tgc though.

[forest hornet]

Ooh dang
Well I really like this stuff 💗 💗 💗

[surreal ether]

With the stars United, our light was infinite…

[forest hornet]

So this must mean the site has a mix of actual concept art and stuff fans have done

[crude flame]

If I’m not mistaken, the site is the work of Tom Zhao, (hence the name) who was one of the early concept artists for the game!

[rain pond]

nope! the site is 100% official concept art
I was bored and decided to make some of the concept art into 3d models

[forest hornet]

OOOOH OKAY NOW I UNDERSTAND
I'm in a funk today forgive me lol

[crude flame]

No no, you’re all good !
I have to agree though, I love browsing that site, the artwork is gorgeous and very interesting to see

[forest hornet]

IT IS!
I'm gonna be talking my friends ears off later about this stuff

[latent lark]

Wish they kept the braid thing

[crude flame]

I did the same thing when I first found it

[forest hornet]

Omg the valley of triumph town layout concept art is so freaking cool!
I am eating good today

[rigid mural]

Awww it's always so cool to see lore moths ! Tom Zhao's concept art come from early in the game's development, but some stuff stuck around and it gives a better insight on the meaning behind it !

[forest hornet]

Yeah!
I just came across a backstory timeline concept and its very interesting!

Okay discord thanks

[crude flame]

You can still see it if you zooooom
I really find this backstory timeline super fascinating and insightful as well, even if most of it probably isn’t canon anymore, like Vela said, in the concepts there’s still some connections to stuff in the game today here and there, so it’s great fuel for theorizing, at least for me

[forest hornet]

Well for me the text is really blurry and can't read it
And yeah definitely super fascinating!

[crude flame]

Oh no !
For me, I can still see it when I zoom in

[forest hornet]

Well im glad you still can!

[rigid mural]

Let's see let's see, I will write a transcript for you.

[trim yoke]

Hello Lore chat, I heard some of you might want to see a wooly manta skid?

[trim yoke]

For Lore chat, here's your WoolyManta Sky kid ^^

[rigid mural]

Fire Era

• All souls are part of the Megabird. Each soul cycles through the Human and Sky World gathering experience before returning to the Megabird. We are all one and one is us all.
• Megabird grants flame to Prince and Creatures.
• Prince chooses 6 Ancestors to oversee their realm and grow their civilization.
• Both Ancients and Creatures worship the fire, migrating to the Holy Land to die and be reborn.
• Megabird is at her strongest and all life is connected by light.
• Creature's flight is a big advantage. Elder Creature offers flame to the Prince and Kingdom at his time of need.

Dark Stone Era

• The Prince explores forbidden forests with Shaman Ancestor and unearths dark stone, matter that absorbs fire.
• They mine forests for dark stones to harness and power new technologies. Ancient civilization evolves to new heights.
• Prince gives Ancestors special Dark Stones that makes them godly.
• Dark stone technology absorbs too much fire and the Creatures attack. However, they are defeated and must retreat.
• The Ancients enter a golden age and the Prince is crowned King. However, dark matter begins to corrupt the Prince and Ancestors.
• Ancients become indifferent and disconnected from the Megabird. the Ferryman Ancestor retires with no new souls to shepherd.
• King orders Warrior Ancestor to build fortress and weapons in the event of another Creature attack.
• A powerful Ark made of Dark Stone is built. The creatures attack and the Ancestors use it to seek shelter. The Ancients steer the Ark towards the Holy Land knowing the Creatures would be reluctant to follow.
• Elder Creatures and their armies sacrifice themselves to destroy the Ark which exploses in the epic battle.
• A Storm filled with darkness was created from the explosion and corruption spread throughout the Kingdom. The Ancestors' Dark Stones curse the King's crown, trapping him in the storm.

Post Storm Era

• The Creatures caught in the center of the Storm became corrupt and unrecognizable. They now wander the land as lost malignant beings.
• Decades past before Creatures begin to migrate to Megabird again but the world is destroyed and treacherous.
• In dismay, Megabird blesses the Sky Kingdom with a new Descendant race in the hope that they will reconnect all souls.
• The Ferryman Ancestor tries to shepherd the Descendants on their way. Until one day, he welcomes you to the Sky Kingdom...

Present Day

[sharp lichen]

Unfortunately, barely any of this is canon, but it’s still a good place to start!

[rigid mural]

ehh you can still see the ancestors demise was caused by their overuse of darkstone, which likely still comes from the forest
i'd say it's close but not exactly the canon story

[crude flame]

I was going to say not all heroes wear capes, but it occurred to me that in Sky we all kind of wear capes so I’m not sure how applicable that is

In any case, thank you Vela !

[rigid mural]

Oh ! Btw yesterday I ran through Eden with a friend and finally got a picture of the "stairs" next to the Elder Shrines on the way to Orbit !

Couldn't land there this time around but oh well, you win some you lose some. It does look a lot like the shrine island in Vault, there's stairs on both sides as well !

[trim yoke]

Hey lore chat, based off the Collab where y'all think is likely for the seaosnal location realm wise? I honestly think it's most likely gunna be a side part of vault like LP, mainly due to it being the only place where it's like night, so probably off starlight maybe?

Watcha all think?

[forest hornet]

[rigid mural]

Could be Valley too, some sunsets already have visible stars, and the realm is associated with the arts so...

[forest hornet]

I can definitely see that happening considering in the trailer we see all these sparkles that remind me of vault

[forest hornet]

Also a possibility

[crude flame]

All of those sound very probable! If we’re discussing the collab’s seasonal location, the only other place I can see it happening in is the Isle since that’s where we first hear Aurora, and the teaser shows mural drawings like the ones commonly found there

[rigid mural]

That's a good idea too ! It also has been a while since we had an Isle season too.

[latent lark]

Would she be in that place next to the temple? Or was that a different season?

[rigid mural]

The Cave of Prophecies's entrance is located near the temple yes !

[latent lark]

How about the one with the two player door? Or would they not put anything there bc it’s a two player door?

[crude flame]

I know there’s also the place to the left side of the temple with the spirit, and the place to the far right of the temple with the spirit

[crude flame]

I think they originally added that area with Belonging, and yeah, I’m not sure if they would put anything there because of the multiplayer door, since I don’t believe they’ve ever done that before, but maybe

[rigid mural]

Boogie Kid is a spirit from the Season of Belonging ! not sure if that island was there before it started tho.

[latent lark]

Interesting. Maybe we’d have to take a boat somewhere like the other realms

[crude flame]

Possibly ! and if it’s in the Isle, that would also be interesting since a boat ride in Isle was also an old concept!

[latent lark]

Oo great

[forest hornet]

Yup!

[latent lark]

Where are y’all finding this concept art? Is there a website i can look at

[crude flame]

One good place to look at some is Tom Zhao’s website !
It should just be called “TOM ZHAO” iirc

[hollow geyser]

Hello Lorechat!
I quickly put something together... not necessarily top quality, but hopefully recognizable enough (really not the best pictures... I am sorry)

I think the new season will probably be in the first or second map
the temple in this area looks very much like the lines that can be seen in the trailer above aurora and probably symbolize this very temple

[latent lark]

Thank you very much!

[forest hornet]

Oh yeah it definitely looks like it can be in isle

[latent lark]

Agreed

[hollow geyser]

not to forget.... isle of dawn...
dawn... sunrise.... new day....
aurora has a lot to do with light, right?

[fair knot]

And Aurora is the goddess of Dawn, in roman mythology .... so it makes a lot lot of sense to be there

You guys think that its possible to be in 2 or maybe 3 places? Like Isle and Valley ... Maybe a place between them?

[latent lark]

That would be really cool

[calm jay]

in past seasons, before there were seasonal areas, seasonal spirits were scattered throughout the realms. it's not impossible that the season could span throughout several realms

[crude flame]

Oooh that could be interesting !
It also kind of reminds me of the sort of “mini seasonal areas” they sprinkled in the different realms for Belonging

[rigid mural]

Yeah, those are so cool ! I love the Forest Caves so much, it has the added emotional reason of it being a dear friend of mine's favorite place !

[fair knot]

Welllll I dont know if this map is official, but I think its totally possible to be between Isle and Valley O.O
(Sorry for tagging you Dark)

[rigid mural]

This map was shown by NetEase; the game is slightly different there but it's still assets made by TGC so I wouldn't be surprised if it's "canon", though some easter egg places are depicted here as well. Probably so every area in the game is visible, including the non-canon ones.

[latent lark]

I can’t wait to see what lore it drops.

[rigid mural]

Yeah ! Last collab sounded like it was gonna be entirely noncanon, but we still got some interesting morsels & it surpassed my expectations, so I'm eager to see what will be done for this one

[latent lark]

Yup yup! (I also liked the story. Was definitely not gonna miss out on that one)

[sharp lichen]

I know there are some SOTLP haters out there, but for me it exceeded my expectations

[surreal ether]

Wait season of the little prince was a colab?

[forest hornet]

Yeah

[sharp lichen]

It could also be Valley, since that’s the place of the mural, or Isle, since that’s where Aurora first sings

[keen shore]

the temple in the mural does look the most like prairie, but I would not guess that season for the collab

[remote fjord]

New here, think we might be candles ?

[rigid mural]

I have a theory that ancestors and skykids are pretty much living lanterns ! Let me fetch you the illustration.

here ! I think ancestors and skykids are almost made the same, but skykids are made to be airborne :]

[eager eagle]

I love Vela theory and thinking of it, i realised skykids are more close to butterfly than other creatures too :

Ancestors, mantas, crabs and jellyfish, when free from darkstone, need to have memories relived so they can finally ascend as a light
Butterfly and skykids, when free, only fly off

[untold notch]

i need to be them so bad

[keen shore]

yeah!! I really like the lanternfolk idea as well! I’m not 100% sure if I consider it as one of my headcanons but I do really enjoy it

[rigid mural]

I need to draw spirits and skykids with that semi-transparent body like lanterns, it's fun to think that's why they can carry light !

[fair knot]

Cuteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ❤️

[digital willow]

To add onto this: I believe butterflies are the only light creature that don't go through the rebirth process.

[sinful crystal]

unrelated btw

the manta cape does not recharge your light because the manta has lost its light (it is dead.) /lh(?) (not canon btw i think)
but capes are made of light, yes? they don't cast a shadow, and you get it after collecting winged light. unless there is a difference between light and winged light? winged light childs recharge your light...so... eh?

[keen shore]

ancestors having thick clay shells also explains a lot of things, like how you never find discarded armor in golden wasteland and how the only weapons you find could be used as bashing as well as slicing (although, I guess that’s true for any shape of them considering that you only seem to find stone ones)

[sinful crystal]

this started off with me thinking "haha manta dead" and transformed to me having many lore questions..hm..

[lyric isle]

I come into Vela's adorable Ex-Questgiver art
(dunno if supposed to be them but the scrunkle nonetheless)

[keen shore]

Prairie shaped …

[lyric isle]

dw a lot of great ideas appear from that for me too. not just you

[digital willow]

I think it's not a real manta, i think i remember when sanctuary was announced they confirmed it was a faux manta.

[keen shore]

The current consensus is that all the cosmetics (including your hair) are manifested from light to some capacity except for the pant shape you see when losing your flame, because they go away when you lose your flame. However, they also seem to be tangible (and not strictly illusions) bc they move and wave around in the wind…

the combination of those two elements is super interesting to me

[fair knot]

There is one armor in Wasteland... beside that catapult, I think, the armor is holding a sword

[lyric isle]

I'm uncertain of how I think of cosmetics, but I see them as physical to some extent - but affected by skykid status when worn?

[keen shore]

I know what you’re talking about but I always thought it was a statue instead of a suit of armor, let me check it again

[digital willow]

Yes there is a statue with armour.

I think if there was a statue with Armour then there is Armour in the world, why else would it have Armour?

[fair knot]

Ohh yeahhhh its solid ... I think its a statue

[digital willow]

It was a spirit at some point I think

[keen shore]

this guy! personally it’s hard for me to tell if the “clothes” are like, armor or just normal clothes, so I will take it as like… possibly instead of 100% armor

[rigid mural]

Yeah it's them ! I only saw them for a few months but I like hopping on mobile to see them by the boat sometime :)

[digital willow]

The statues model was a spirit at some point i think but then it was changed to be a statue, speaking of there is an emote that the lightseekers use with the cherry blossm trees that we never get to see anywhere else or get to use ourselves.

[lyric isle]

you go onto mobile to see them..................I lovbe that

[fair knot]

hm .... So Im going to call it an Automata, could be an armor, could be alive, a robot, we dont know hahahahhahahahhahahah

[keen shore]

saping quests my beloved

[forest hornet]

[rigid mural]

i am a sapling quest enjoyer, lightseekers hugging us

[keen shore]

even if they beat u up?

[forest hornet]

I always run away before they give the hug request lmao
Listen I got important CR to do

[latent lark]

Is that a sword sticking out of their back?

[keen shore]

NOT an excuse, why would you do that /hj

[fickle wing]

iirc there’s a pic somewhere in me camera roll of one of these fellas that r like
not stone n stuff just kinda floating in an oob from light awaits
like yknow how there’s just some spirits or stuff under n over maps yeah it’s like that gimme a sec 2 find it

[forest hornet]

👍

[digital willow]

The emote that lightseekers do, imma call it the grow emote, I've never seen it anywhere else in game and I wonder if it was an actual emote at some point like how the facepalm emote was in the game in light awaits and now it's in the game again 3 years later as an assembly spirit.

[fickle wing]

just some floating fellas

[keen shore]

AORHAODIAODIISF ok these do look admittedly a lot like armor but also I’m laughing too hard to focus rn

[digital willow]

I kinda hope that old light awaits versions were archived somewhere.

[fickle wing]

we got a skykid malfunctioning over here

[rigid mural]

i forgive them

[keen shore]

those armored spirits are actually the whisperers ganging up for a battle after someone threw salami on them fun fact

[rigid mural]

i dont think that will be enough

[digital willow]

I like to think they got banished to the void for it.

I'm coming up with several conspiracy theories about the supposed 'grow emote' that the lightseekers have use of.

Anyway has anyone seen the new eden mural?

[round parrot]

Funny how there is a crack on the dark plant mask

Does this mean that the dark plants actually have a seed? Was it planted to this mask? It doesn't just grow out from midair? Why is it this blue? Is there light in it?

[frigid tinsel]

bless, what I'd do to be in your place

[rigid mural]

you

[keen shore]

There’s a common concept (which I agree with) that darkness plants have spores that travel through the air and sprout when they land on light they can consume, which are the darkness flakes that fall off krill. My guess as to how this mask happened is that one of them got inside the skykid’s head, either just as they were walking around in wasteland or purposefully

[rigid mural]

one of my ocs has this one ! I interpreted as them using darkness plants to dive deeper and camouflage in darkness, they lost the use of an eye so they get a cool eyepatch from that too.

Since you're not losing light from wearing that, I like to think this plant is harmless and you just gotta trim it if you want to keep that natural eyepatch !
I love this mask so much, it's sooo fanservicey for the dark/corrupted skykid ocs i see floating around, good for them

[frigid tinsel]

dark/corrupted/uncorrupted/krill kids are great /gen

[keen shore]

Pre shattering corrupted skykid ocs complaining about how corrupted skykids these days are all just fakers who manifested the darkness plants with their inner light for the aesthetic

[rigid mural]

they wear diamonds and dress like krills because THEY ARE NOT BASIC

[forest hornet]

Yesss

[lyric isle]

have never done a corrupted OC but closest thing is headcanon Little Prince spirits but they're corrupted in another way I have talked about my headcanons for them a lot

spade I can DM for context

[white junco]

i have a krill kid they’re silly

[rigid mural]

i would die for acheron, short king

[lyric isle]

tell us about krill kid...concept has never appealed to me but I can see why

[frigid tinsel]

I have one who was corrupted and was forcefully uncorrupted. they're edgy and an unintentional nonbinary metaphor. they'd willingly get hit by a shard. love them

[keen shore]

OOOOOO corrupted spirits/ancestors is an interesting idea… Although they’d get violent and attack things like krills, I like to think it would affect them differently just because it would be neat

[rigid mural]

does anyone wanna see abalone my little scrunkly

[white junco]

uhhh hold on i’m playing splatoon

[lyric isle]

they're more so corrupted from uh

can I DM the context? it's kinda long-winded

[keen shore]

nanif is like if you turned one of those sphynx cats who constantly wear really thick fluffy sweaters into a skykid

[keen shore]

I would prefer if you posted it here bc I can get really shy/anxious in dms if thats ok!

[lyric isle]

ok uhhh
will try to keep it short. sorry for bringing this headcanon up Again

[round parrot]

Went to Eden just for this

This mural probably implies that the king has brought a new age ; the dark diamond age (or so they call it)

[rigid mural]

yes you do -slaps this on the table-
alasdair pointed out some stuff that made it real interesting, been exploring how darkness isnt necessarily a parasite to light

[raw crypt]

omgg hiii abalone

[round parrot]

Fun fact: The tear on the mask isn't actually a tear, its a shattered part of the mask (just incase yall didn't know)

It's a nice art!

[fair knot]

Its a nice touch ... I love that they are adding some grayish masks

[white junco]

krill kid is called Acheron, short version of the story is that they get hit by a shattering shard and pieced back together by wasteland elder. the shard gave them krill memories but like. as if they were their own. so now they have some silly krill behaviors but for the most part they’re relatively serious. also they’re short and they look like this

sorry 4 gaming and lore chatting at the same time all the time it’s the adhd

[rigid mural]

I like to think darkness should be equal to light, but the ancestors flipped the darkness to light ratio so bad that it now looks like darkness is some evil powerful force and not like, something with no inherent morality that got out of hand, so it's interesting when Alasdair and i bounce ideas back and forth bc ze depicts it as some kind of hunger

[raw crypt]

omggg hii acheron

[round parrot]

It's like fungi, some people think it's dangerous (due to some fungi poisoning other humans and cause fungal skin infection) but it's not that bad if you know how to deal with it

[rigid mural]

acheron my beloved

[rigid mural]

And excellent if you know how to cook them !

[lyric isle]

Overly convoluted LP headcanon: Starlight Desert is a big experiment site of a desert adjacent to the mountain the Vault is inside, not connected to anything major but a stray wind path.
As part of studies, the scholars wanted to try conjuring physical things from their imagination in part - with the help of purple light, probably much more, and most of all their minds, (think of, say, Snooze's tents/how the objects in the treehouse materialise) they experimented with various forms of that - the fantastical sites around the area. As this developed and more tech about this was created to make the process more efficient - an idea arose. What if they made their own kind?

Modelling off various kinds of figures in society - soldiers, labourers, aristocrats, even a scholar just like them! - with various personalities, projecting their own onto them, working to materialise physical ancestors.
(Unfortunately, they couldn't really figure out how manifest anything for them to wear in colour aside from greyscale. That was yet to come, hopefully...)

• will reply with more

[round parrot]

Lore is picked up ripe today, Skykids

||Yummy yummy lore||

[keen shore]

I LOVE SEEING PEOPLES DIFFERENT TAKES ON DARKNESS, mine is kinda similar to alasdairs but with more emphasis put on the emptiness. I think about it like how I think about the empty void of space

[lyric isle]

So these created ancestors (have been referring to them as AI for ease of referral + that being basically what they are), like the scholars at their work, were all tasked with something as a purpose. Their soldier was to clean up the dark water and protect the lands. Their accountant was to help their expenses, while being rewarded with their own every now and then. Their...very gloating figure was to perform for an audience of none (hopefully once things could be organised, they could show it off if it weren't too confidential...right?)
Their lamplighter was to power the land. Their monarch was to rule, hopefully better than Alef, haha! Lastly, their scholar was to help them in their studies.

Trouble is, several scholars underestimated how truly lifelike they'd made these, but not at the same time...and another trouble at that...? Considering how they're not exactly ancestors, they sort of...broke down in personality. Flanderised, you could say (part the fault of mismanagement, part inevitability)
Lamplighter for one, with many forgotten breaks to be informed of? They hadn't really internalised that schedule and struggled a lot more to be stopped with it
Star Collector grew more and more greedy with hoarding the goods they were meant to count for themself, and so on

[white junco]

i tend to think of darkness as like. there’s a place for darkness in the world but it was never meant to grow strong enough to consume large creatures like krill & be so prevalent in the world. for corruption i focus on it just feeling wrong

[rigid mural]

YEAH I LIKE THIS A LOT

[round parrot]

I honestly think dark plants are the effect of darkstone, I mean, it is technically like darkstone, but hold limited light

From my observations, the reason why dark plants are so blue in the first place, is because there is light inside, trapped, and when we get rid of them, we free butterflies trapped inside

In my opinion, ancestors and Skykids treat dark plants like they are weed (plants growing in the wrong place)

[frigid tinsel]

Nanif had been corrupted for 3 years and had been lurking in the Wasteland feeding on skykids, calling themself a monster, making themself more powerful with red light. the Wasteland Navigators forced them to go through Eden and rebirth, uncorrupting them. this terrified them because, as they had known darkness so intimately for so long, being in the light again was disorienting and scary. they think darkness will take over the world. they understand darkness's hunger – in fact, they still remember the taste of light fondly.

when first uncorrupted (first image), Nanif struggled with manipulating light. as they became better at that, they went back into the darkness, at first to see if they could corrupt themself again (failed) then to see about negotiating it. when that didn't work, they went about trying to control and harness darkness, to find utility in it. red light in my ficverse allows one to manipulate darkness, so Nanif ends up collecting and using that a lot.

eventually Nanif willll end up finding a harmony between light & darkness. still working out how exactly, but they'll become a "darkness wizard" (second image) able to harness darkness and overcome their fear that darkness will consume all. as more skykids are uncorrupted, Nanif will lead them to help understand themselves as they are now since uncorrupted skykids are definitely not normal. Nanif struggled to understand their place on their own. they won't let others be alone in grappling with that.

[untold notch]

sorry my FFXIV brain is going off at all the light/dark talk

[rigid mural]

(failed)

[frigid tinsel]

yea lmao they didn't want to be a being of light to be consumed when they believed darkness to win, but overtime they're gonna feel like light has a fighting chance against darkness's reign

their attempts consisted of consuming corrupted darkstone and throwing themself under shards

[lyric isle]

Unfortunately, considering how potentially unstable the dreamscape was predicted to be? It was way way safer to shut off the site, and leave it as something to be checked on only if absolutely necessary (in case e.g reality folds in on itself and becomes thought physical, not in a controlled way like the gradually less successful but 'good enough' attempt at recreating the upper floors of Vault - we wouldn't want reality collapsing)
So the area got shut off, leaving them behind............bless

Fast forward to the Little Prince's visit (unsure on what he is but mostly leaning towards 'he's just...him' out of respect of the book, but him being a spirit is making me debate with myself on this). He gets to meet the AI (idk what else to call them. artificial ancestors?? someone suggested that name and I like it but idk) when they've gotten very bad in this regard, with hardly any personality left. He interprets it as simply grown-ups being odd, because of course he wouldn't know the exact origins of them.

unsure what else but wanting to write a fanfic about this including a sequel of skykids trying to befriend them all in some way because they need love
anyway I'm done

[untold notch]

light as passivity and peace and darkness as activity and volatility

[round parrot]

Ok, but question about dark plants

How in the wondrous world of Sky did they grow so fast they trap mantas

Also how did they trap light/butterflies in the first place

[safe sphinx]

does the nice crab at the bonfire have a name?

[lyric isle]

have relived them and their dialogue kinda feels off in a sense (which is good! it can support them being AI) but that may be me projecting this headcanon a little too strongly

[keen shore]

OOOOOO I KINDA LIKE THIS TOO… I’ve been thinking about darkness as a metaphor for death recently if that works. There’s a place for it in the world and it’s important, but almost everyone hates it and wants to get rid of it. They don’t care if it’s a byproduct of getting the things they need to make their lives better [like refineries.] And so on.

It would kinda explain why dawns animal used to be a vulture, because of the whole association with death and using it for life

[lyric isle]

but yeah this is the result of a lot of debates with myself about "are they real people" "why do they act like that" "why is the area so dreamlike" "is the way they are anything to do with that" and uh. this culminated into This Thing

are they 'real' people (i.e. natural ancestors)? yesn't

[rigid mural]

oh my god your MIND
im adding this to my headcanons darkness means resistance to change and the lack of motion, like death

[keen shore]

YEAH NO I TOTALLY GET THIS IT WAS OFF TO ME TOO. I got the vibe that each spirit has one Designated Personality Trait and because they don’t have anything else to balance it out with, it gets taken to the extreme and becomes all that they are

[lyric isle]

I will stand with the "they Did have more personality but thanks to instability in creation that decayed"

I do understand it's in a way to emulate the book - the characters aren't meant to be fleshed out - but in a Sky context it's so off bc you can tell spirits had/have full (after)lives and personalities and families etc. so I came to this current conclusion after too much overthinking

[pastel brook]

Using emulators is against the Sky TOS, @lyric isle. Please don’t use or discuss emulators here.

[round parrot]

OR OR OR

Maybe it was the influence of higher ancestors, like they think it is the effect of using too much dark diamonds, and encourages to get rid of them, its like trying to stop something without even looking at the core problem

This could symbolize corrupt governments

[lyric isle]

I said the verb, Skybot

[rigid mural]

Salem and I had this theory they're amalgamates of several memories at once !

[lyric isle]

yeah pretty much
that's what they were trained from and made from ig

this is partially the result of an extremely recent new interest in AI in general (not actually new. it recently became a major one for me though)
things clicked in brain

[keen shore]

Thank you!! It also works because it reminds me of that thing in nature where like… a huge boom in population is followed by tons of death. I wonder if that’s the case with how much darkness took over everything, it just followed and consumed light that had spread throughout the world. And that’s why everyone’s dead.

I doubt it’s canon but it would be so cool

[lyric isle]

ok I love your idea

[keen shore]

THANK YOU… I really appreciate it!!

[round parrot]

Not sure is Darkness Rain was the original name for Dark plants but I found the equivalent of Dark plants (sort of)

[keen shore]

Rain was the concept name for forest, the realm where this concept would have been shown!

[round parrot]

Makes sense

[lyric isle]

feeling like the structures sorta formed around the AI spirits too if that makes sense
like. maybe there was a big boat but it only turned into a proper merchant boat as Star Collector manifested

[round parrot]

This is off topic
But I love how darkness is able to corrupt and make it a really scary predator only for one. singular. light.

[raw crypt]

Not to start textwalling also but I haven’t thought abt my universe light/dark in a bit but i still remember it pretty well, in my canon dark and light are meant to work well together and jive, almost everything has a bit of darkness bc it’s just… there? It’s jsut there man. not to sound weird but darkness is solid and light is liquid, almost everything made of light has darkness to encase it, its a balance, too much light is a loss of structure, too much darkness results in rigidity, being stuck, very few things are one or the other, and either one being out of balance causes issues

The eden blast in my canon was a blast of light, wiping all those out that weren’t incased in a form of darkness, basically resetting light creatures too, while dark creatures grow hostile, trying to encase and get light to restore their own balance

corruption in my fic for skykids doesn’t really exist I don’t think, I just never thought abt it, I tend to go the more crystallization route, skykids in my fic are more likely to turn to stone than corrupt, and like in canon thats an easy slap them a wl, crystallization are those statues right before the hall in eden, which has always been read as a death sentence in my universe bc for the longest time it was both assumed since often the crystals broke alongside the statues and a single wl/flame could not reverse it

(basically owils crystallization would be a corruption in someone elses universe if u know fae)

ok bye

[fair knot]

"Warm light ... Traped Souls/creatures" thats interesting, Warm Light means soul and Cold/Blue light means Spiritual/Memories, could that means that the Dark Plants ingame have memories inside them?

[round parrot]

OMG DARK PLANTS ARE RELATED TO DIAMONDS /hj

[lyric isle]

still unsure about the chains though. afaik they represent their vices, but unsure how that became a thing for all of them

idk maybe as a way to mark them apart from natural ancestors?
this has become infodump time

[keen shore]

yeah! quite a few spirit memories have darkness wrapped around them, it’s the basis for a theory of mine!

[lyric isle]

tell us about said theory

[fair knot]

I was trying to find your theory here hahahhaha Ty ❤️

[round parrot]

Well, it probably symbolizes them being stuck to only 1 purpose

[lyric isle]

OOO GOOD IDEA

[fair knot]

I remember you talked about it a fill days ago, Salem ... But I couldn't find it

[lyric isle]

something something hollow knight seal of binding kinda deal perhaps
also maybe as a way to make sure they stay physically stable at the least

[round parrot]

OMG HOLLOW KNIGHT.

[lyric isle]

I always think about the Christmas Carol quote
"I wear the chain I forged in life"

[untold notch]

(feral dog noises) warriors of light travel to the world of sky to help restore the balance between light and darkness sorry hi i like ffxiv a normal amount

[round parrot]

Its more like what most ghosts are, they are chained to their place of death, not being able to escape till they get attached to someone or someone sets them free

[keen shore]

Basically just that darkness plants are super parasitic and latch onto any form of light they can, including spirits, living ancestors, and light creatures if possible. Meaning you sometimes freed badly decomposed spirit memories when burning away darkness plants, and the wax you collected was like their energy.

The basis is a super common idea, I just kinda took it to its natural conclusion by saying stuff like the massive darkness plants in wasteland were mass graves and spirit memories that darkness plants sprouted from were half decomposed by them.

It was all but confirmed by the recent update where burning them releases light creatures.

[lyric isle]

also in a sorta Sky AU of mine, TSes are canon and publicly announced
which uh. that makes the idea of them at Home kinda funny. scholars panicking that they breached meanwhile they're just "ooo look at these cute kids"

[untold notch]

one problem would be the WILD GENRE DIFFERENCE between the two- while they're both cooperative mmorpgs xiv is a lot more combat focused

[keen shore]

I like to imagine tses are canon and also ts hints are too

The latter of which is revealed when a skykid with minor prophecy powers, like the ones implied to exist in , starts getting visions of that weeks ts doing the absolute most random things as “clues”

[lusty bolt]

i am somewhat of a new player and i have a question regarding both lore and game mechanics. i understand why the rain in the forest hurts you, (water extinguish fire/light). But if this is the case why can we swim in clear water?
And alternatively why can't we swim in the dark water, which seems to have a sheen on it akin to that of an oil spill?
Given that oil would exacerbate a fire rather than snuff it out

(idk if these questions make sense, it is just something i was thinking about)

[fair knot]

I love your theory, because it explain those dark crabs and that memory with crabs and Dark spores flying around " darkness plants are super parasitic and latch onto any form of light they can"

[round parrot]

a c i d r a i n

(or atleast some theories go)

[lyric isle]

it's a funny thing that's existed in my mind since prophecy
ex-questgiver announces them (it's always been them) and all the spirits come to it (since quitting questgivering they do them remotely with, idk, memory holograms, unless they're visiting) in some big hall - there are skykid helpers for events and everything

[lusty bolt]

ok, thanks

[lyric isle]

hiya, welcome to lore! sorry if I'm being a bit nonsensical, just discussing some elaborate headcanons of mine

[keen shore]

basically, the water that hurts you is polluted with darkness, while the water that does not hurt you is clean!

[lyric isle]

so why does being submerged in water gradually drain light? internal flame stuff?
assuming that's like. mildly polluted

[round parrot]

Have you not heard? I heard water puts out flame

[fair knot]

BEcause light cant go to far inside water

[keen shore]

Skykids flame seems to be special due to. unspecific magic reasons. Otherwise, we would immediately die if we jumped in water

[round parrot]

Well I mean

It is in our chest, our red candle is basically our heart

[lyric isle]

"fire needs oxygen" definitely. have believed that ever since swimming was introduced

[frigid tinsel]

also skykids can't be underwater for long. when they dive, they have a "breath" meter and when that runs out, they begin losing light

[lusty bolt]

i guess it would also make sense that the more wl you have (higher level) you can stay underwater long, because if something is hot enough (irl) it can exist inand ir around water for periods of time

[lyric isle]

anyway uh. sorry for the giant infodump; have been thinking about that headcanon for a while now

[keen shore]

don’t apologize it’s super cool,!

[lyric isle]

wanting to write a fanfic about it but gonna need to flesh out stuff

[raw crypt]

yea!! its interesting and youve put a lot of thought into it! hope ur writing goes well

[lyric isle]

needing ideas of what to call the spirits though
sorry for kinda overtaking here too

[fair knot]

"Hey Google, why the ocean is blue? ... Google 'Because water dont absorbs blue light!" .... Well, that could explain why there is a lot of light creatures that looks like water creatures

[rigid mural]

DARKNESS BEING SOLID AND LIGHT BEING LIQUID IS SUCH A GREAT WAY TO PUT IT I LOVE IT

[round parrot]

Does that mean you can slurp light? Interesting

[lyric isle]

such a nice analogy

[keen shore]

I KNOW RIGHT I WANTED TO COMPLIMENT IT BUT I GOT DISTRACTED ?.. like rigidity vs fluifily

[frigid tinsel]

you could give them typical given names or give them monikers similar to the names they have in game. for instance I'm writing a fic with Shushing Light Scholar and while they have a given name other characters call them by, the narrative only refers to them "the scholar."

if they're experiments, they could have names like numbers – Experiment #23 or SD45 or something like that.

[lyric isle]

I meant collectively, but individually? I love those ideas

[keen shore]

Oh do you mean like… how the assembly spirits are called the scouts?

[raw crypt]

THANKS

light soup

[lyric isle]

not wanting to outright call them AI but something along those lines that fits in this context

[keen shore]

what about something like… the constructs? or the simulations

[lyric isle]

oops, did you accidentally send something, alasdair

[keen shore]

é

[lyric isle]

yeah I've been calling them constructs this whole time

[keen shore]

We found out that some letters with accents on them are banned so we’re experimenting

[frigid tinsel]

I have characters with umlauts in their name, this is unfair

[keen shore]

Isn’t an umlaut when you put a bunch of stuff in an egg and cook it like a pancake? /j