My game once crashed when I tried to translate my own message (its in filipino). They really need to fix the translator. It scares me.
#beta-discussion
oblique kite
mighty estuary
Omg why the forest gate following us in isle
bright orbit
Normal dark plants grow back instantly when server merge in beta, is this normal?
river socket
Again deleted
2 huge texts deleted. Im officially mad
latent oar
@bright orbit can't tell it's normal, it's a new bug on both live and beta rn
minor falcon
invisi friend bug in sanctuary was probably too minor to delay the version push to live 
they'll get it next patch
lyric wadi
@bright orbit insuggwst I report it. Coz growing back means progress is being reversed, which is gonna be deadly in live
dim tapir
Did you get the “your message was delivered @river socket ?”
Discord has a 2k character limit.
placid inlet
Reminder to copy your text before submitting, just in case they wiped your feedback for some reason XD And I’m not sure if there are character limits, perhaps you hit that?
pearl peak
Yea, if you really think about that many decisions were like a slap to the face, of course there were good ones, but, there were more of bad ones. Nobody will be surprised if Sky gets less and less fans resulting in sinking like Flower
eager ferry
You guys still arguing or is everythink ok now
fiery sun
we are discussing, not arguing
sturdy anvil
@eager ferry there is an Argument Among Us
onyx inlet
dont messages in feedback always get automatically deleted??
hollow compass
@river socket all messages in the feedback channel are “deleted” once sent. There should also be a message with a ping to you that it went through, but sometimes that is very quick and also disappears.
latent oar
@minor falcon I think people are confused since according to last patch note it supposed to be fixed already, but apparently it's not 
Anyways big thanks to all the efforts from Devs to make it released in time.
sterile plinth
The mods deleted my feedback
It wasnt offensive at all👍
@river socket for clarification: we didn't delete anything, your feedback has went through, it's automatically removed from the channel as soon as you post it and is sent to the devs directly
rustic imp
@river socket the drop boxes work by you posting messages and then the bot takes them and sends them to the devs! Feedback is private though so your messages are removed from the public channels and put in a private place for the devs! If you want more details you can dm a mod!
white raven
@knotty siren i'm sorry, i really don't get it. the pass items were not free in the first place, and the fact that there are people without funds doesn't mean that tgc has to make the item be free(even tho those people grind their time and effort to get candles). i never saw any announcement that tgc made ts for broke players, they meant players who missed the followed seasons
well...i'll just wish tgc will find another solution then. i actually thought this idea was not bad cuz i myself do use a lot of money here😳
river socket
dont messages in feedback always get automatically deleted??
@onyx inlet the bot hasnt told me "your message has been delivered"
Edit: thanks for answer mods
sterile plinth
Oh hey Xynth 
placid inlet
Yes, they get “deleted” immediately. However, the issue some may be having is that their message got “deleted” but the bot did not tell them their message was sent
rustic imp
Hello omi 
tender knoll
I wouldn’t have mind a little pushed back in releasing. Poor Dev.
vapid briar
@river socket it wasn't deleted. Please stop spreading misinformation. Feedback is cleared from that channel and transferred to a private channel only the dev team can read.
rustic imp
Sometimes the bot behaves weirdly though, and doesn’t deliver. We’re still working on fixing that but we didn’t do the deleting
tulip oyster
yea i wanna give a head pat and a hug for all tgc devs rn
they must be so confused😔
river socket
Doesent the bot tell "your feedback has been sent" im saying that, the bot hasnt replied the feedback
But maybe is cuz first tine ever so many people use that chat
mighty estuary
Maybe someone get double notification from the bot
fiery sun
some people would get mad if they push it back. i've seen some complaining saying, "Mondayy?!!!??? Why not Sunday!¡'!!!
oblique kite
Can someone explain to me the new ts system in beta? Im so confused.
latent oar
@river socket they are the ones who have permission to check your message tho 
If they can see it then it's sent.
pearl peak
That's really the most likely outcome, if you consider everything
peak roost
Hmmm, just a random idea, though. But if the ts are going to be pass locked i want it to give us new currency which could be traded for previous ultimate gifts later. Just like how normal seasonal spirits give us heart at their final node
thin shell
Can someone explain to me the new ts system in beta? Im so confused.
@oblique kite if the cosmetic on the spirit needs AP during its respective season, it will need the current AP if it becomes a TS during the new season
river socket
Ok i will sleep now. I hope TGC doesent add this mechanic, if it happens i will considering quiting
Anyways have a good day and cya!
fervent patrol
This is for Seasons behind Belonging. At least for now
ancient wing
ok ty
latent oar
And it's at a very early stage of testing. Not the final version yet and can be modified 
spark lance
@knotty siren i'm sorry, i really don't get it. the pass items were not free in the first place, and the fact that there are people without funds doesn't mean that tgc has to make the item be free(even tho those people grind their money and effort to get candles). i never saw any announcement that tgc made ts for broke players, they meant players who missed the followed seasons
well...i'll just wish tgc will find another solution then. i actually thought this idea was not bad cuz i myself do use a lot of money here😳
@white raven
I get what you're saying, TCG is trying to make every single player in sky get spirits from previous seasons. But people are complaining about the price of items, so the only solution is to make TS available just as they were in their season. I mean, it makes sense because free players will pay less candles but they won't be able to get the other items unless they have AP.
These are my thoughts, please correct me if I'm wrong. And thank you
thin shell
Please don't quote walls of text, just ping them
oblique kite
Like, if the grumpy hiking spirit comes back as ts, you need to get ap to get his bowtie?
frank raptor
Steering the chat to a lighter mood, I would like to present why prophecy is cheese. prophecy = cheese because prophecy sounds the same as prophesee, prophesee = prop + hesee = prop + he + see = prop + he + e + se = propheese. The definition of propheese is probably cheese, so prophecy is cheese. thanks for coming to my tedtalk
fiery sun
Like, if the grumpy hiking spirit comes back as ts, you need to get ap to get his bowtie?
@oblique kite yeah, but that is if this system gets implemented. for now, it's still in beta.
ancient wing
I couldn't post pics here and describe my location so I resorted to the pics area @turbid heart also what's with this insanely long cd, where is a beta help channel x-x
blazing talon
@white raven
I get what you're saying, TCG is trying to make every single player in sky get spirits from previous seasons. But people are complaining about the price of items, so the only solution is to make TS available just as they were in their season. I mean, it makes sense because free players will pay less candles but they won't be able to get the other items unless they have AP.
These are my thoughts, please correct me if I'm wrong. And thank you
@spark lance a discount on the candles you can pay for would just fix the problem
grizzled oxide
Honestly I feel like a more in depth forecast would alleviate the grindy nature of the TS far better without taking away the current systems one redeeming feature.
dire reef
please be respectiveful
summer sundial
damn
thin shell
@frank raptor what
mighty estuary
Btw the resize potion having a visual bug now. It will not show any changes on my phone but....my friend says that im floating👀
bright portal
Honestly , I'm already okay with the current ts system
mild panther
No one is being disrespectful though. And i agree with Morue
onyx inlet
gn beta chat 
fallow rover
Heyy I wanna ask something. Does it matter if my AP is shared from other people? I should be able to get item as long as I own the AP right?
tender knoll
What about TS in between season? Pre orders can’t be gifted.
white raven
@spark lance i really agree with you!
i can't find any conflicts or misunderstanding. was there any part of my opinion that was offensive or seemed wrong? (´°̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥｀)
spark lance
@spark lance a discount you can pay for would just fix the problem
@blazing talon
I think the problem here is paying itself.
Some players, including me, can't pay in the first place. So we wait for TS and try to get as many candles as we can to buy the items
grand sapphire
Hmm how to get the beta cape when you're on the beta
turbid heart
Yes, but the problem with that is you can’t gift other people during off season so those who is gifted won’t get the TS during the pre-order period.
I typed too slow but this is for Bennett
stray imp
So sad 
i will leave feedback to suggest new ts system like for AP free but non AP need candle. I hope this suggest will fair for both AP and non AP
hollow compass
Hmm how to get the beta cape when you’re on the beta
@grand sapphire You can’t. But you can get the Founder’s cape in the office, which is currently open for all.
mighty estuary
Btw the resize potion having a visual bug now. It will not show any changes on my phone but....my friend says that im floating👀
Just imagine im haunting my friend and spamming
Ah sorry this kinda not funnyi just want to help people get their mood again
latent oar
@tender knoll requires pre-order for next season according to the current announcement (and it's still a concept for renewal of TS, it can be changed I believe)
agile cape
Hi. The TS rework is a huge shame and a big backstab to the F2P community. I say this as an AP owner. Stop ruining your game by taking decisions no one asked for
Have a good day.
@strong canopy cool
pearl peak
And it's at a very early stage of testing. Not the final version yet and can be modified
Let's be reslistic, it won't
fervent patrol
If we riot enough, it could be changed like how it was for Rainbow Falls.
...Right?
white raven
@stray imp wow i just thought of that too!
but im a little worried that this might not solve the problem of players grinding in CR for ts items..
spark lance
@blazing talon
I think the problem here is paying itself.
Some players, including me, can't pay in the first place. So we wait for TS and try to get as many candles as we can to buy the items
@spark lance
Please don't tell me I'm the only one who can't pay
lyric knoll
this is what beta is for, so that they can build off players opinions and what the devs think is right. it isnt causing any harm.
thin shell
This is why we're discussing about that matter here, so we get feedback and then send it on #beta-feedback
rustic imp
TGC stayed they are open to exploring in #beta-announcements so we should try it out look around and give feedback. The best way to make sure your feedback is heard and considered is to be calm. So please don’t be disrespectful
pearl peak
If we riot enough, it could be changed like how it was for Rainbow Falls.
...Right?
You can think so, but closer example would be lantern, the only thing that was changed was reducing not expanding the functions, riots are meaningless.
bright portal
haha, on the bright side, this whole cosmetic issue and the community breaking apart has made me realise I'm just gonna play the game while cosplaying as a 10 wedge buff moth instead and go around messing around with other players
blazing talon
@blazing talon
I think the problem here is paying itself.
Some players, including me, can't pay in the first place. So we wait for TS and try to get as many candles as we can to buy the items
@spark lance oh im in the same situation, i meant that it would have made more sense to give the players the possibility to have some sort of discount that you can buy to pay less candles instead of making the items exclusive to ap
kindred fossil
i don't really understand this part, is the AP restriction only applied to seasons before belonging? or is it a typo? as it later mentions the season of prophecy logo
please elaborate
Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.
rustic imp
We have a gratitude spirit right now, go check it in g ame!
thin shell
The current TS needs the current AP, and its a Gratitude spirit
pearl peak
So, realistically we are patootieed, and nothing will be done, the best way is to accept and move on...
We have a gratitude spirit right now, go check it in g ame!
@rustic imp
The kungf[such fuss from one letter]u one?
tender knoll
Flu???
rustic imp
Yes it’s kungfu. If that was an intentional spelling please delete it
grizzled oxide
The proposed system, in my opinion, takes sky from a free to play game to a game with a subscription system and a very generous trial period.
kindred fossil
yes, i'm aware, in fact that was the first thing i noticed, and i posted screenshots way before the announcements
what i don't understand is does it apply to all seasons, or just the seasons that came before belonging
rustic imp
We won’t tolerate discrimination or marginalizing groups here, and that spelling falls into that category.
sullen oasis
Did the chat calm down now?
thin shell
not a bit
oblique kite
I think the new ts system is fine coz u the reason why we buy the ap in the first place is to get the exclusive stuff in the season. Its fair for those who buy the pass. (Pls dont kill me)
thorn cedar
I really want to know if TGC is doing a little more for the lantern? For example, take out the candle when using the lantern.
rocky swallow
outside i am calm. inside i am ANGERY
zenith wasp
The proposed system, in my opinion, takes sky from a free to play game to a game with a subscription system and a very generous trial period.
@grizzled oxide cosmetics are not essential to complete the game, at all.
summer sundial
Calmed down a little I think
spark lance
@spark lance oh im in the same situation, i meant that it would have made more sense to give the players the possibility to have some sort of discount that you can buy to pay less candles instead of making the items exclusive to ap
@blazing talon
I get what you said, thank you 😊
But it won't be fair for those who payed for AP during the season, right?
If the discount on candles actually happenes, then why wast money on AP while you can just wait for TS and pay less?
I think the idea is to benefit the company and to satisfy all people ( not actually all of them )
copper shore
i think the ap restrictions are for season gratitude until season belonging. because is the old ap. also, its still on testing. i really hope you guys calm down a bit for it 😔
tender knoll
I feel sad for some players who can’t buy passes because their country don’t allow it. If it makes it to live.
pearl peak
I hope this system stays in beta, then I will calm down
i think the ap restrictions are for season gratitude until season belonging. because is the old ap. also, its still on testing. i really hope you guys calm down a bit for it 😔
@copper shore
lyric knoll
i dont mean to sound stupid but what does ap stand for
rustic imp
Adventure pass!
mighty estuary
👀
Im sorryyyy i laugh a bit😭 😭
latent oar
Welcome to the 8th hour of nonstop discussion
grizzled oxide
@little flame cosmetics are a huge driving force in the games current play loop. Mind you I started post TS introduction.
But sky's progression is distinctly tied to expressing yourself. And cosmetics are a huge part of that.
Also there's not a completion state currently, imo
kindred fossil
it'll remain that way for weeks to come
mental otter
how is everyone holding up
oblique kite
Also. Skykids. Please remember TGC is a small game company and they need money to sustain us with good experience in the game. Its still up to you if you wanna buy stuff from them to support.
summer sundial
I could write a short story about my experience in here...that's how I'm holding up @mental otter
copper shore
i bet they wont implement this on love because there are some inconsistency of that. first, wouldnt their clarification about ts for free players would be meaningless in every of their season pass ads banner?
second, why would they divide gift ap and preorder/indivual ap buyer benefit? wouldnt it become pointless to buy group pass?
third, travelling spirit purpose itself is to let FREE PLAYERS gets the cosmetics with AP from that past season.
i think, they will change this drastically and they would make ap users as discounts instead of that unlock thing. and if i read it correctly, they only mentioned 3 first seasons. so your rhytm didint get that ap logo thing. cmiww
rocky swallow
@spark lance
ok so.. if you buy the pass, it'll take less effort for u to get the seasonal items (because finding seasonal candles are easy plus the seasonal items cost less in season) plus you get them waaaay earlier than f2p players, so yeah ap has benefits too
latent flume
my feedback
if we have to buy TS for Passes
then let us get Ultimate gifts aftwr finishing, for example, Belonging constellations.
pass cost = ultimate gift
blazing talon
@blazing talon
I get what you said, thank you 😊
But it won't be fair for those who payed for AP during the season, right?
If the discount on candles actually happenes, then why wast money on AP while you can just wait for TS and pay less?I think the idea is to benefit the company and to satisfy all people ( not actually all of them
@spark lance i agree with that, but in doing so it takes away any reasoning for players to actually play the game (candle running every day for example) because ts would just become a part of the paying experience.. ( I apologize for my writing, this is not my first language ☺️)
white raven
@blazing talon ohh so its something like a ts pass isnt it?
latent oar
am shook by reading there's only 25 hired employees in TGC on somewhere (even this number shouldn't be accurated for now)
pearl peak
Also. Skykids. Please remember TGC is a small game company and they need money to sustain us with good experience in the game. Its still up to you if you wanna buy stuff from them to support.
@oblique kite You're right, you know what is needed for people to buy gamepasses? An acceptable gaming experience. So, I get what you was trying to say, but you didnt word it right, and it sounded stupid.
agile cape
Also. Skykids. Please remember TGC is a small game company and they need money to sustain us with good experience in the game. Its still up to you if you wanna buy stuff from them to support.
@oblique kite People who cannot buy a pass will still not be able to buy a pass even if this happens :)). But it makes people who are buying pass feel negative, typically me :)). I bought a pass for nothing, it was because I wanted to contribute to a fair gaming community, regardless of whether the players were free or paid, and it shocked me a lot
mental otter
aye, let's keep this a positive space, shall we? if we're gonna correct someone, let's do it politely
eager coral
reminder that despite the varying opinions we should remain kind and respectful to each other 
narrow lake
if you need a pass to buy the TS items, won't normal candles just be redundant then?
latent flume
my feedback
if we have to buy TS for Passes
then let us get Ultimate gifts aftwr finishing, for example, Belonging constellations.
pass cost = ultimate gift
@latent flume i think it will be fair to everyone??
tranquil coral
Why not make the items cost lower for people with ap?
grizzled oxide
Also as the game continues to age the benefits of not having to wait for TS will only get bigger. As far as an AP being worth your money. In effect the current system you're paying for the ultimate rewards and early access.
Right now that early access looks like a small benefit but imagine in two or three years when the number of TSes is in triple digits.
lyric knoll
@tranquil coral yeah that seems quite reasonable, as long as they dont lower it too much
agile cape
And if I always buy a full pass like that, what do I still need a TS to do ?
blazing talon
@blazing talon ohh so its something like a ts pass isnt it?
@white raven basically yeah I guess so.. because you need the seasonal adventure pass to get some of the ts items
kindred fossil
Why not make the items cost lower for people with ap?
that's all what we've been saying for hours, make it a discount system
white raven
there is a problem when this system goes on
we have to pay for the ap without knowing which ts and which item is coming...
sharp talon
Well i think that this new ts system will not be a good idea since some of my friends are non AP players and ts is one way for them to get new items even though this items were in passes 2-3 seasons back. And i myself want my friends to get the items that i have through AP that they couldnt during a season. So if certain items of ts are put behind a AP node then it would make candle running less popular among the Non AP players as there will only be limited use for them and Candle running is how we interact most of the times with players and the game itself. I have bought passes myself but i also want my friends to get access to them at one point of time coz afterall for me my friends matters the most than some virtual cosmetics and i dont want my friends to leave or think about leaving this game for this reason of all. Sky was always about meeting new friends and people from all corners of the world for me and this changes will create even more differences among the different types of players which i dont want to see tbh. And as long as there are new seasons and APs, the ones buying them will always get the newer stuff beforehand and thats why i prefer buying them and not consider them as to be limited to us only for all the time since we already have the ultimates as an exclusive item. So i hope there will be changes to this new system in beta and i personally liked some suggestions to reduce the candle cost for the ts for AP players atleast and it feels fair enough for me since this update was more on 'candle grinding'. ...its just my opinion and no one to get offended in any way alright?^^
royal venture
Just... It's so sad...
I can't afford an AP, only once I bought it with my friends
Sky is very important to me, it makes me laugh and cry sometimes my worries out. TS's are my motivation to play everyday and collect candles. That motivation will be gone in one update. It really makes me sad. My bright star in life is fading...
TGC, please, make a good decision
brazen flicker
@pearl peak Please keep your comments respectful towards other server members.
copper shore
i think most of us are agreeing for DISCOUNT system for ap users hhhh
rustic imp
We can disagree on what TGC should do but we should all agree to read and be respectful of each other. We all have our opinions and there’s no need to bash on other people. You can point out what you disagree with without resorting to negative comments. Please remember to be respectful as both a courtesy and a rule. We will be muting people who continue to disrupt chat
pearl peak
I though, AP always was and always will be for people eho want guaranteed reward, you can't predict the next TS thus youre not guaranteed reward
spark lance
THATS SO LONG @sharp talon I am reading it anyways : )
tranquil coral
@strong canopy well we have to wait a long time to get them.
spark lance
@spark lance i agree with that, but in doing so it takes away any reasoning for players to actually play the game (candle running every day for example) because ts would just become a part of the paying experience.. ( I apologize for my writing, this is not my first language ☺️)
@blazing talon
Nice! The point of TS is to make people play sky even more in order to get more candles and thus be able to buy TS items
So the real question is, why complain about the candle price in the first place??
I think it's fair to make TS items this expensive . At least , if we can't help the company forge through money, we can do so by playing more!!!
Thank you for the discussion
narrow lake
this is very surprising to hear from TGC
I hope they can come up with something that works better
kindred fossil
oh panda, i haven't seen you around in such a long time
analog pumice
i just read the update and guess my broke soul is sad already hope after feedback there are changed before being implemented in live.
summer sundial
Hold on Legend, I gotta use my remaining brain juices and concentrate to read.
strong canopy
well we have to wait a long time to get them.
@tranquil coral thats true. so what you said is actually keep the TS system the same way as it is now, but make some items cheaper for current AP owners?
sharp talon
So sorry for it...i didnt thought it would get this long
spark lance
I read it all anyways, it was a nice arguement!
brazen flicker
Hi dark! I'm here often, just lurking 
pearl peak
this is very surprising to hear from TGC
I hope they can come up with something that works better
Or they won't, will turn into EA, and we all could stop giving any attention to Sky
rancid oriole
I see some people spamming new season emotes constantly, I wanted to ask if the spirits are really available because I want to visit the cave in live
fallow chasm
people also sacrifice their time when they are busy like they're in school, or at work just to candle just to get the ts cosmetics owowo
vital sentinel
Okay but is it normal to find a player in live that already got prophecy emotes? I found a player that do the fire guy and water guy emote
tranquil coral
@strong canopy basically yes. Reduced prices for ap players.
latent flume
so, the new system of ts should work with getting pendants and ultimate gifts btw 
spark lance
@spark lance
ok so.. if you buy the pass, it'll take less effort for u to get the seasonal items (because finding seasonal candles are easy plus the seasonal items cost less in season) plus you get them waaaay earlier than f2p players, so yeah ap has benefits too
@rocky swallow
Sorry i didn't fully understand what you mean. Can you explain?
white raven
oof i just saw something offensive
lets just talk about pure opinions here
peak token
Several people are typing...
grizzled oxide
I like the idea of a TS discount to sweeten the deal of the AP.
TS has got to cost time or money, and I think it's fair to let us choose that.
strong canopy
basically yes. Reduced prices for ap players.
@tranquil coral i get it now. how would it be for players who are waiting on receiving the gift pas in-between seasons?
fervent patrol
@vital sentinel That's... not normal.... Try reporting?
half ivy
@oblique kite People who cannot buy a pass will still not be able to buy a pass even if this happens :)). But it makes people who are buying pass feel negative, typically me :)). I bought a pass for nothing, it was because I wanted to contribute to a fair gaming community, regardless of whether the players were free or paid, and it shocked me a lot
@agile cape They're too selfish to care about free players
analog pumice
Woah it's my first time seeing Panda the moderator. Nice.
placid inlet
I can see that some people may feel kind of disappointed and upset about sky’s future, but the fact that they’re putting it here in beta first and letting us give feedback is a prove that they’re at least willing to accept opinions. They have been keen on receiving feedback and improving in the past, so there isn’t need to be all pessimistic about it. Just drop in your opinion if you haven’t too!! ^_^
blazing talon
@blazing talon
Nice! The point of TS is to make people play sky even more in order to get more candles and thus be able to buy TS items
So the real question is, why complain about the candle price in the first place??
I think it's fair to make TS items this expensive . At least , if we can't help the company forge through money, we can do so by playing more!!!
Thank you for the discussion
@spark lance totally agree!
pearl peak
I can see that some people may feel kind of disappointed and upset about sky’s future, but the fact that they’re putting it here in beta first and letting us give feedback is a prove that they’re at least willing to accept opinions. They have been keen on receiving feedback and improving in the past, so there isn’t need to be all pessimistic about it. Just drop in your opinion if you haven’t too!! ^_^
Sometimes things aren't as positive as you paint them to be. Take lantern for example.
trim ferry
in my opinion this wrong decision because if one has not taken the pass in a season because he could not afford it he cannot afford it even now and there are people who are waiting months To have cosmetics and it's not fair to take someone's chance away
pulsar nymph
im grateful that the rhythm and enchantment didnt get the ap logo but i loved the other seasons too so its odd to lock just the other seasons (not complaining just an opinion)
ps. please dont come at me 
tranquil coral
@strong canopy owning the ap of last season will reduce the prices when a ts visits between seasons
analog pumice
Well I'm pretty sure changes will be implied, as im readin this channel almost everyone has the same opinion. At least I hope.
grizzled oxide
Not to be rude. But I did put the math a few weeks ago. Even for the most expensive TSs if you just save ten candles a day toward the next TS, you'll be able to afford it.
strong canopy
owning the ap of last season will reduce the prices when a ts visits between seasons
@tranquil coral i see. ill send feedback now, ty for discussing!
vital sentinel
The thing about this palyer is... they literally done the slow breathing and fist on the heart emote in front of lots of people... im pretty sure those are prophecy emotes?
thin shell
@pulsar nymph that can change tho
remember: nothing is final
latent flume
pls notice my idea with pendants and ultimates 
pearl peak
Well I'm pretty sure changes will be implied, as im readin this channel almost everyone has the same opinion. At least I hope.
@analog pumice my dude, see lantern and be disappointed in tgc
desert mango
Love the new ts system .,,,,as long as ug is included with pendant and farming candles for the ts items is still a thing along with it ... But less candles.. Im happy
peak token
im ok if the TS had some of the items are locked, but its just weird that the other 2 of your friend wouldnt get it, i mean the friend pack
tender knoll
I wrapped to a friend and ended up in prophecy cave. My friend said a friend brought her there. The area being access is okay because in previous season too I saw some do it. But seriously they even have emotes of seasonal spirits.
pulsar nymph
@thin shell okay 
eager coral
dont forget to give feedback in #beta-feedback
trim ferry
Ahahhahahahaha I think they will put this thing in live the players will drop and not a little
analog pumice
Yeah mors, the max has been 160, which is possible with a few more candles a day, you can get 11 just out of prairie, valley and forest everyday. I don't do other realms yet I'm always on time for the TS. But yes candle running in general sure is tedious for me, as it's repetitive, but I guess every game currency needs similar grinds everyday.
primal pagoda
Well I'm pretty sure changes will be implied, as im readin this channel almost everyone has the same opinion. At least I hope.
Changes are really up to them. I remember almost everybody didn’t like the way we can’t see stranger calls from distance anymore and yet TGC didn’t make any change of it 😅
upper needle
im grateful that the rhythm and enchantment didnt get the ap logo but i loved the other seasons too so its odd to lock just the other seasons (not complaining just an opinion)
ps. please dont come at me
wait what im confused how do you know?
placid inlet
Sometimes things aren't as positive as you paint them to be. Take lantern for example.
True, but we are still in the testing phase of this one, and this one have a much bigger impact than the lantern one, since it’ll affect a lot of players in quite a drastic way and literally changes the sky gameplay. There’s no point in being all worrying about it though We did our best to express our concerns, give our feedback. Now it’s totally up to tgc. ^_^
half ivy
@half ivy they are not selfish at all, they are one of the games that care the most about their playerbase. they continue working even during the pandemic and do the best they can to keep us happy
@lyric knoll lmao, I'm not talking about TGC
summer sundial
I personally don't think Ultimate gifts from previous seasons should be touched at all.
grizzled oxide
I don't think I've ever played an MMO that wasn't grindy after a point ...
static sigil
How do I check if I'm a tester? Cause google still says I'm not and I'm not sure if I'm still a tester after the last invites, maybe I clicked too slow.... Does anyone have a link to check?
runic path
Yeah I just finished live grinding. How's you doing everyone
latent flume
I personally don't think Ultimate gifts from previous seasons should be touched at all.
i've seen some news and thoughts in patch that they were thinking to get it back but they dont know how
pearl peak
Ahahhahahahaha I think they will put this thing in live the players will drop and not a little
@trim ferry major part of fanbase will poof and so will revenue of the game
mighty estuary
Yeah I just finished live grinding. How's you doing everyone
I haven't done anything aaaaaaaaa
fervent patrol
@vital sentinel Report report report report
spark lance
I haven't done anything aaaaaaaaa
@mighty estuary
Me toooooo
rancid oriole
It's chaos here rn
mental otter
someone just mentioned the "ts will need passes" topic in live general chat, my mind immediately sounded off the alarms 
no chaos shall be put upon that channel, here is already enough
little flame
@little flame cosmetics are a huge driving force in the games current play loop. Mind you I started post TS introduction.
But sky's progression is distinctly tied to expressing yourself. And cosmetics are a huge part of that.
Also there's not a completion state currently, imo
@grizzled oxide
You mentioned the wrong person.. haha
vital sentinel
already reporting, this player is cleary using the prophecy emotes in live!
stiff dagger
I'm sorry for mentioning the passes topic in general chat 
trim ferry
@trim ferry major part of fanbase will poof and so will revenue of the game
@pearl peak yes lol but then with what intelligence do they think that if one does not take a pass in a season why he cannot afford it they think that a few months later he can afford it? I do not think so
grizzled oxide
Ahhh I'm sorry. Lol
kindred fossil
@peak token gifted passes will gain access just like any other pass owner
however only if they can't afford the pre-order and a TS happened to come around at that time
dark quail
To be honest even after reading through everything including the beta updates and this channel's discussion I still don't understand what's going on with the TS discussion so I can't comment but I'm worried about everyone fighting each other and it makes me sad, so I'll give lots and lots of 
and to everyone
Everyone is human; all of your feelings and emotions are valid no matter which side you are on; same with TGC – in the end we all share the same planet and sky and stars, and we live under the same moon and sun; I hope we can all remember that
Sorry if this came off as rambly; I just wanted to try to comfort the chat here a bit
More and to all
summer sundial
i've seen some news and thoughts in patch that they were thinking to get it back but they dont know how
@latent flume Yeah but I think ultimates should stay serving as a reward for those completed the seasonal constellation. Even if a lot of people want to have them, even me, I think it's better for them to stay as they are.
tranquil coral
@vital sentinel some people managed to enter the new area and the spirits are already present
narrow lake
a big reason I bought a pass was that I wanted to support TGC, especially given that they dont push getting cosmetics with only money
but if this does go through I dont think I can support it
thorn cedar
But ts will repeat.
latent flume
@latent flume Yeah but I think ultimates should stay serving as a reward for those completed the seasonal constellation. Even if a lot of people want to have them, even me, I think it's better for them to stay as they are.
@summer sundial well, sad that ios > android in game then
people want equality
static sigil
@latent flume Yeah but I think ultimates should stay serving as a reward for those completed the seasonal constellation. Even if a lot of people want to have them, even me, I think it's better for them to stay as they are.
@summer sundial well I think atleast the ones from before android launch should come back in a way, as the Android players had no chance at all given to them
robust hawk
but a small number of vets doesn't want equality.. sad
rustic imp
@tranquil coral @vital sentinel the season hasn’t started yet in live so there’s no legitimate way to get the emotes in live. Please help out TGC and report people you see using the emotes!
peak token
@peak token gifted passes will gain access just like any other pass owner
however only if they can't afford the pre-order and a TS happened to come around at that time
@kindred fossil i mean the other 2 of their friends
agile tinsel
@trim ferry major part of fanbase will poof and so will revenue of the game
@pearl peak how will the revenue drop? I think people quitting the game if this idea comes true are mostly people who playing the game without spending money (that is why they are angry when they have to pay in order to unlock some cosmetics). Therefore I don’t think it will have much impact on revenue
valid terrace
wait
so according to the update is the next TS from Belonging
wait no it was typed by mistake
thorn cedar
I would like to see warning signs on the heads of those who have been reported multiple times, even though we haven't lit them up yet.
narrow lake
@pearl peak how will the revenue drop? I think people quitting the game if this idea comes true are mostly people who playing the game without spending money (that is why they are angry when they have to pay in order to unlock some cosmetics). Therefore I don’t think it will have much impact on revenue
@agile tinsel I've spent money on the game and I would be very unlikely to do so in the future if they do this. its not just F2P players who dont like it
trim ferry
@pearl peak how will the revenue drop? I think people quitting the game if this idea comes true are mostly people who playing the game without spending money (that is why they are angry when they have to pay in order to unlock some cosmetics). Therefore I don’t think it will have much impact on revenue
@agile tinsel yeah! It is becoming a "pay to win" game
peak token
they say that only the bundler can unlock all of the cosmetics while the other 2 fo their friend cant
primal pagoda
I would like to see warning signs on the heads of those who have been reported multiple times, even though we haven't lit them up yet.
Whoa good idea. Nice to see how many reports a person has received lol
spark lance
@pearl peak how will the revenue drop? I think people quitting the game if this idea comes true are mostly people who playing the game without spending money (that is why they are angry when they have to pay in order to unlock some cosmetics). Therefore I don’t think it will have much impact on revenue
@agile tinsel
They will get more money
But free players will leave the game
I mean , it's not just about money if you want to make a small game grow
You also need players.
tender knoll
The new area and emotes being accessed should be utmost importance atm.
lyric wadi
@agile tinsel well the primary source of advertisement of the game was mouth to mouth advertisement, mostly in the android zone. If fans get reduced it is gonna affect that too. The popularity will dwindle too. And many things which I can't think on top of my head. But one reason I was buying stuff was to support tgc. But if this ts IAP thing happens I don't think I will stick with the game much longer. And I am sure many others agree. It might seem small thing but on a large scale it is huge. Like India banned pubg and pubg ended up slipping down from its top 5 position in app downloading. Things like that.
tropic radish
This is a social-heavy orientated game
Keep that in mind ;;
latent flume
people want to be fashionable!!! 
kindred fossil
@peak token where does it say that? i'm certain that those who are gifted the pass as well will gain access along with the bundler
summer sundial
Wasn't that the purpose of the TS originally? To try and get stuff from previous seasons? Ultimate gifts are for those who grinded and put in effort to complete the entire constellation of the season. Buying an AP for this season means you have the opportunity to get the current Ultimate if you put in the time and do dailies/run.
spark lance
Some players who pay may also feel disappointed and leave the game. I will so .... To brighten up the atmosphere in here, just wanna mention that skybot has become that thatskyrock following this live patch note. Sksksksks funniest dev ever I can’t even ahaha
pulsar nymph
i usually come at ts for the emotes and if i have candles go for the cosmetics
static sigil
Idk what this money talk is about... Are they planning to make the pass something you need for the WHOLE season or what are y'all talking about?
agile tinsel
@agile tinsel
They will get more money
But free players will leave the game
I mean , it’s not just about money if you want to make a small game grow
You also need players.
@Ni’ma#6112 I see it is totally normal for a game to have something limited. I can hardly name a game now which has everythign free for all players. And there are actually lots of stuffs in the game for free players. Why will free players leave? Just because they can’t get all?
lyric wadi
This is a social-heavy orientated game
Keep that in mind ;;
@tropic radish yea true...but so is discord. And many players r friends on discord. So if social aspect is the only one left after people stop downloading for cosmetics, well I am sorry I can't explain it right but I wish I managed to say what I meant..
peak token
@peak token where does it say that? i'm certain that those who are gifted the pass as well will gain access along with the bundler
@kindred fossil i heard it from someone, and literal its spreading
spark lance
Wasn't that the purpose of the TS originally? To try and get stuff from previous seasons? Ultimate gifts are for those who grinded and put in effort to complete the entire constellation of the season. Buying an AP for this season means you have the opportunity to get the current Ultimate if you put in the time and do dailies/run.
@summer sundial
Tbh, the only reason I play the game is to get candles for TS
latent flume
#EqualityforAndoridAndIos 
kindred fossil
please don't, campaigning won't do anything, please only write your honest feedback
stark cloud
After completing a trial, skykid still glowing..that is a bug?
Ight..ty ty
brittle sequoia
Firstly, this idea was implemented as many of the players find difficulty in grinding Candles for buying TS Cosmetics so they are buying Candle Packs for that. But if we observe we get around 18 candles a day so for the 14 days, it's 252. Each TS consumes a max of 160 so 252 is more than enough. So why the people need to buy Candle Packs then. If they bored to do full CR daily, they can ask for an Uber right.
narrow lake
id rather write feedback when I have constructive criticism to give with some suggestions. I dont want to just say "please dont" 
so ill wait before I write there
mental otter
not all of us has the same opinions, you can't force the people here to join your campaign. plus what dark said, that won't do anything, and it just counts as spam, therefore the devs might just ignore it. do send in your honest feedback/opinion! 
silent lily
Well, the purpose of ts was that the players who missed the Cosmetics can get them. It didn't say or was affected or related to buying pass.
If I still need a pass to get the Cosmetics which I wasn't able to get due to pass lock, what's the point?
white raven
there are people who are repeating that they won't support tgc and leave the game or whatever...but this is irrelevant to beta discussion and i feel like they are harrassing tgc...it doesnt look good
royal venture
please don't, campaigning won't do anything, please only write your honest feedback
@kindred fossil it's my honest feedback. Insted of writing how much I disagree, one hashtag and that's it
pulsar blade
Do you guys really aim to unlock all what inside a Ts tree. Or you only keep for unlocking the ones you trully need. If its for the purpose of collecting what you really desire or your desire just to complete your collections 100%. It took me some year to collect all lightseekers capes. Since i didnt participate well enought during its season. And its worth the patience of waiting. Just a thought.
latent flume
Head on straight to get all stuff
kindred fossil
how is that helpful? just tell me how is that helpful?
trim ferry
however for all the people who complained unfairly in my opinion because the prices are not too high in my opinion they are right but one way would be to lengthen the period between one TS and the other
agile tinsel
@agile tinsel well the primary source of advertisement of the game was mouth to mouth advertisement, mostly in the android zone. If fans get reduced it is gonna affect that too. The popularity will dwindle too. And many things which I can’t think on top of my head. But one reason I was buying stuff was to support tgc. But if this ts IAP thing happens I don’t think I will stick with the game much longer. And I am sure many others agree. It might seem small thing but on a large scale it is huge. Like India banned pubg and pubg ended up slipping down from its top 5 position in app downloading. Things like that.
@Fae.ruhi wants baked potato 🥔#3301 I think people love sky because it is a social game. They play it because they appreciate friends they have got in sky. I don’t see the reaosn why they leave just because now they have to pay some money to buy something they want.
spark lance
@Ni’ma#6112 I see it is totally normal for a game to have something limited. I can hardly name a game now which has everythign free for all players. And there are actually lots of stuffs in the game for free players. Why will free players leave? Just because they can’t get all?
@agile tinsel
True
If the live version gets this week update, then some players will leave , some will accept and continue playing
I personally won't leave the game even if this happens
I just wished to be able to get TS items, but in the end, let whatever happens happen
narrow lake
there are people who are repeating that they won't support tgc and leave the game or whatever...but this is irrelevant to beta discussion and i feel like they are harrassing tgc...it doesnt look good
@white raven voicing that you disagree with a game company's decisions and will not support it is not necessarily a bad thing. if we all just blindly said yes, they wouldn't know if they're making the right choice. there is a respectful way to voice that though of course, and there will never be a situation where 100% of the playerbase agrees
silent lily
Most people here are giving their honest opinion imo, not harrasment or anything.
And this is realated to beta since this new system is only in beta yet.
Personally I don't think this will effect the number of players. If some people do leave, idk what they are thinking, like man, is the purpose of this game is to get Cosmetics and flex on those who don't?
I think not
Cosmetics play one of the smallest part in making this game what it is
lethal steeple
@lyric wadi I think people love sky because it is a social game. They play it because they appreciate friends they have got in sky. I don’t see the reaosn why they leave just because now they have to pay some money to buy something they want.
@agile tinsel this is only true only up to a certain point. Many who stayed are 'collectors' who wants to finish everything 100%
stark cloud
I can polish my English vocabulary in this chat. Keep it going i will try to improve my words next time by reading all this chat.
trim ferry
@agile tinsel
True
If the live version gets this week update, then some players will leave , some will accept and continue playing
I personally won't leave the game even if this happens
I just wished to be able to get TS items, but in the end, let whatever happens happen
@spark lance yes but this also means removing the possibility of taking cosmetics that are fundamental in the game I take for example the umbrella the umbrella was with the pass and the very useful in the forest there is One who does not take the pass no longer has the possibility of having that cosmetic that was also much wanted
stiff dagger
i jusg wanna be handsome...whats wrong with wanna be handsome
mental otter
some people may plan on leaving the game because of the uselessness of candle runs, since if this ts system gets implemented in live, then we're all just using money to get cosmetics. i can see where they're coming from. + not all of us have the expenses to buy adventure passes to get said cosmetics.
gilded parrotBOT
the traveler ||hides beyond the trees||
astral cape
Uhh question guys:
Wouldn't TGC lose money from people who bought candles instead of grinding? If the free items are made cheaper and some cosmetics have to be accessed by AP.
Or no?
latent flume
people are looking for different goals in the game:
someone to befriend with each other
explore world
finnish 100% of collections
etc.
since the game wont tell you the real purpose of it. ||dont shout at me cuz of this quote but its quiet true||
silent lily
My fair opinion,
They should keep this system but wait. Suppose if you have the pass , then you get the pass lock Cosmetic for less or for free.
If you don't have it, you might just pay the original high cost by grinding.
That'll solve it I guess
white raven
@narrow lake they can just express their ideas by saying 'i don't agree' or 'i don't think this is adjustable to live'
i think u got the wrong point
of course they can disagree and say their opinions but threatening the company that they won't support anymore really doesnt help to solve the problem u know
think of constructive thoughts or implements
trim ferry
@abstract canopy no in live start in two days
brittle sequoia
Most people here are giving their honest opinion imo, not harrasment or anything.
And this is realated to beta since this new system is only in beta yet.Personally I don't think this will effect the number of players. If some people do leave, idk what they are thinking, like man, is the purpose of this game is to get Cosmetics and flex on those who don't?
I think not
Cosmetics play one of the smallest part in making this game what it is
@silent lily
Then where do you spend the Candles you collect daily? It's obviously on Cosmetics right. For 14 days, you get 252 candles what we will do with them
tropic radish
Again, will go down if it's a discount system
Which still falls as fair, hopefully
dire reef
well if sky continues to go on we will have more seasons therefore more traveling spirits to come so i guess thats a way?? but besides that im not sure
kindred fossil
discount system is getting popular
mental otter
constellations, friends, and future traveling spirits ! isn't that the point of saving up candles? 
summer sundial
DISCOUNT GANG
weary scarab
worse is having to buy the advance pass to have the items between seasons
narrow lake
@white raven yes, which is why I'm thinking about it before I write something in feedback. the whole point of discussing this here is to try and help figure something out. many people have mentioned a discount for ts if you have a pass, but still keeping the old system, and that's kind of what I'm leaning towards honestly
silent lily
@brittle sequoia it's not necessary to farm everyday, the point of this system was to reduce the stress on people for grinding.
Most people don't have the time to grind daily. And they aren't saying that u have to collect the candles.
Where to spend,?
Spend them on making some good friends, unlocking nodes, spend them on spells
Cosmetics isn't the only place where you spend Canfles
unique olive
hey, do the trials come with the new season?
spark lance
@spark lance yes but this also means removing the possibility of taking cosmetics that are fundamental in the game I take for example the umbrella the umbrella was with the pass and the very useful in the forest there is One who does not take the pass no longer has the possibility of having that cosmetic that was also much wanted
@trim ferry
I get what you're saying.
But let's be real , we have different opinions and perspectives.
And TCG will try and fine the best solution, or at least a convenient one to make every one satisfied or less disappointed.
No matter what happens , we'll have to accept it.
static sigil
Aight I just read about the TS update, and I think the stuff that requires AP is gonna be cheaper, right? So I don't find it that bad... I wanna buy AP as much as possible anyways and I don't see why I shouldn't pre-order. And I'm sure there's still enough stuff for free players
Btw, SoP starts on Monday in Beta, right?
Alright, thanks
silent lily
They should do it like this,
Keep the prices same for those who don't have the pass and for the people who have pass, maybe reduce the prices of the pass only items or something.
pulsar nymph
any tips for the air trial? i got stuck at the part we have to jump to a platform but there are wind ways that are yeeting me off the ground
worthy gate
I assume the real driver behind the ts change is revenue and I’m ok with that if it helps keep sky running longer. But the reason I play is the candle runs. It’s like a daily meditation. Would people be ok with making the TS weekly? It’d ensure the 300+ candles many of us have in live still have some value, it’d increase access to older cosmetics and it’d help keep free to play viable (they’d have as many ts items available each month as they do now). Those who don’t want to grind still gain as they would have twice as many ts items to choose from.
latent oar
@static sigil in live 
lyric wadi
@agile tinsel this is only true only up to a certain point. Many who stayed are 'collectors' who wants to finish everything 100%
@lethal steeple many but not most. I can bet 100 hearts that atleast 35% of sky players will leave after items become paid for, because ts is main incentive for most
mental otter
vivien, i think you meant live? prophecy is already ongoing in beta
dim tapir
we're already testing the season in beta. did you mean live?
white raven
@narrow lake yeah be cool and stick on with it. u're doing a pretty good job so far
i was just talking about the ones who were talking harsh in the chat way back up there
unique olive
question! can only two players enter a trial at once?
turbid heart
If SoP means Season of Prophecy, it has started in beta for a while. If you means Live then yes unless they made another announcement.
agile tinsel
@agile tinsel this is only true only up to a certain point. Many who stayed are ‘collectors’ who wants to finish everything 100%
@lethal steeple Yep I know. So if collection is what they are going for, I think they are willing to pay for AP because imo those usually want to get cosmetics as soon as they can. Waiting months for travelling spirit does not sound like a collector. For example, lantern and halloween stuffs cost. So if they are collectors, they will have to pay anyways
lethal steeple
@lethal steeple many but not most. I can bet 100 hearts that atleast 35% of sky players will leave after items become paid for
@lyric wadi isn't 35% a lot already
brittle sequoia
@brittle sequoia it's not necessary to farm everyday, the point of this system was to reduce the stress on people for grinding.
Most people don't have the time to grind daily. And they aren't saying that u have to connect the candles.
Where to spend,?
Spend them on making some good friends, unlocking nodes, spend them on spells
Cosmetics isn't the only place where you spend Canfles
@silent lily
But enjoying the game is what leads to farming daily, And the people who stress with it can go with an Uber asking in looking for group channel.
And a lot of 252 candles for 14 days can be spent for TS Cosmetics mostly that too 160 max consumed by TS then you left with 92 candles so it's okay if you don't CR for some days in between, no one spends them on the other stuff especially Spells, We can make friends by sharing links and unlocking High Five till that point it's enough.
fresh forge
I wonder how people expect artists and programmers and tech support and a whole company to run without charging money for stuff :/
rapid lily
I heard the news guys. Can sb feedback to dev that who buy the pre order pass can buy ts too when the season ends?
rain delta
@silent lily there’s really not that much left after you clear out the candles in the constellations... and no I before you say it, I don’t need to buy 400 candles worth of spells... I hardly use the ones I have at my disposal now
The traveling spirits gave me a reason to cr.. And for a game that’s so heavy on the aesthetics with little things to do outside that, cosmetics are pretty big in this game. It isn’t like an action game where skins come in second :\
But, idk, I’m leaning more on the side of — discount or free for AP pass holders.. and no discount for non AP pass holders
static sigil
They should do it like this,
Keep the prices same for those who don't have the pass and for the people who have pass, maybe reduce the prices of the pass only items or something.
@silent lily oh, that would be an amazing idea!!share it with TGC!
fallow chasm
pretty random but, imagine tgc hosting an event with the new trials
eager ferry
Who can die the fastest in the trials?!?2343z54ujwzrmhsaej
tropic radish
Remember to submit feedback !
lyric wadi
@lyric wadi isn't 35% a lot already
@lethal steeple exactly my point. 35% is the minimum I say. Ts is the main incentive for 90% of people I met in sky as well as on discord about sky. Do you honestly believe they will keep playing by paying when they were clearly more excited about the ts coz they couldn't afford to buy every single thing, even if they did for the most?
strong canopy
I heard the news guys. Can sb feedback to dev that who buy the pre order pass can buy ts too when the season ends?
@rapid lily if you have an idea, you can send feedback! i agree with your idea but one should send their own feedback, regarding their own thoughts ;)
dire reef
pretty random but, imagine tgc hosting an event with the new trials
maybe hide and seek in earth trial
silent lily
@brittle sequoia
Well, not one bounds you to keep them for Cosmetics, it's not like all ts items are pass only, spend them on the free items.
Then what,? Spend them on completing constellations
Then what? Spend them on your precious friends, make new friends, unlock abilities
Then what?
Buy spells and have fun
People don't spend their candles on anything else rn cause there's a lot of stress for ts, if the cost will be reduced, we will save candles and will definately spend on other things.
spark lance
They should do it like this,
Keep the prices same for those who don't have the pass and for the people who have pass, maybe reduce the prices of the pass only items or something.
@silent lily
Thank you ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Please tell TCG in the feedback
fallow chasm
maybe hide and seek in earth trial
Hide and seek in fire trial
latent oar
@pulsar nymph I'm still a noob but try to do a small jump (or flick towards on left screen) to land when the platform goes down! and pray for it 
dire reef
Hide and seek in fire trial
omg yes but deep call has to be disabled, since if u deep call u can see the candle trail and whatever else is there
little hound
Megan never sneeps?
median dune
wait so uhh you gotta BUY the ap? youre not even gonna get it if you have a gifted ap?
vital sentinel
This... might be a bad idea but
What if, days before ts appeared, tgc doing some kind of vote? Like, 4 spirits from random seasons become candidates and the most voted will become ts
tight bloom
Getting TS items is the only reason I do CR. Don't care about spells/constellation/making friend. So I'd definitely play less and less if the new system come to live.
rapid lily
@rapid lily if you have an idea, you can send feedback! i agree with your idea but one should send their own feedback, regarding their own thoughts ;)
@strong canopy i dont know how pls tell me :(. I feel like its unfair to who share their pass with friends . Or dev can change that we can share the pass before the season starts so we can all get the TS
tranquil coral
I would say make the cosmetics that were pass locked free for current pass holders. That way more people will tend towards getting the pass. The current implementation feels like forcing people to buy pass if they want ts cosmetics
pulsar nymph
@latent oar the thing is the wind way is right at the edge of the ground so even if i do small jump i still get yeeted
strong canopy
@strong canopy i dont know how pls tell me :(. I feel like its unfair to who share their pass with friends . Or dev can change that we can share the pass before the season starts so we can all get the TS
@rapid lily write it in #beta-feedback ;)
silent lily
Yeah ,
I think discount or free previous AP items for current AP players and no discount on AP items for non-AP players
mental otter
discount system is a pretty famous suggestion rn
dire reef
This... might be a bad idea but
What if, days before ts appeared, tgc doing some kind of vote? Like, 4 spirits from random seasons become candidates and the most voted will become ts
i would agree with this if everyone thought it was fair enough
imagine there is a rhythm ts option, everyone would vote for it lmao
latent oar
@pulsar nymph it's like sliding down to the platform without being blown away, also flick to a direction which against the wind too! I-I totally didn't get stuck for like 30 mins there
rain delta
@silent lily I guess most people would argue that this method isn’t reducing the stress of candle running, rather it’s removing the option of items that can be purchased. That;s not the same as fixing the initial stress. Instead now, they’re all behind another pay wall. Plus, the way it is now, even with the AP you still need candles to unlock items, which also- doesn’t reduce the stress. It adds 2 layers of paywalls - one with actual money and another with in game currencies.
None of these solve the problem that was proposed first.
I think at the end of the day, this whole idea of revamping was introduced perhaps because TS have been driving down Adventure pass sales. I don;t buy that this is all being done to reduce stress :\
rancid oriole
How about they do a rng between seasons and then pick 4 spirits from it
fallow chasm
i would agree with this if everyone thought it was fair enough
imagine there is a rhythm ts option, everyone would vote for it lmao
We wouldn't even get a chance to get boogie pants
south owl
bruh what's happening in sanctuary
pulsar nymph
@latent oar oooooh thanks! 
summer sundial
i would agree with this if everyone thought it was fair enough
imagine there is a rhythm ts option, everyone would vote for it lmao
@dire reef Your strikethrough statement is main reason why there's no ts poll. Only the popular spirits would be voted in and no other spirits would get their chance.
upper needle
@silent lily I guess most people would argue that this method isn’t reducing the stress of candle running, rather it’s removing the option of items that can be purchased. That;s not the same as fixing the initial stress. Instead now, they’re all behind another pay wall. Plus, the way it is now, even with the AP you still need candles to unlock items, which also- doesn’t reduce the stress. It adds 2 layers of paywalls - one with actual money and another with in game currencies.
None of these solve the problem that was proposed first.
I think at the end of the day, this whole idea of revamping was introduced perhaps because they;be been driving down Adventure pass purchases down. I don;t buy that this is all belong done to reduce stress :\
def send this to feedback omg
brittle sequoia
@brittle sequoia
Well, not one bounds you to keep them for Cosmetics, it's not like all ts items are pass only, spend them on the free items.
Then what,? Spend them on completing constellations
Then what? Spend them on your precious friends, make new friends, unlock abilities
Then what?
Buy spells and have funPeople don't spend their candles on anything else rn cause there's a lot of stress for ts, if the cost will be reduced, we will save candles and will definately spend on other things.
@silent lily
Hey you are not understanding the math. See each day you get around 18 candles so for 14 days it's 252 candles. Now TS consumes 160 max right so you left with 92 candles so you can spend the 92 on other stuff. And who spend mostly on Spells and for Friends, it's enough to unlock upto High Five.
mental otter
ooh, i'll say it again. ts voting system here on discord doesn't seem that beneficial, since the votes will most likely be based on popular demand. a good and straightforward example is the rhythm spirits. if people keep voting for them, then what about the other traveling spirits that other people want? plus, not all players have social media. some can't use it that often, some aren't aware that there are sky communities in certain platforms. imo, it isn't really a good idea. just my thought on that suggestion
vital sentinel
Im kinda confused. So with the new system, people who got AP from their friend cant get the ultimate gift? Or what? Im confused...
eager ferry
Not again... Didn't we already have this conversation?!
thorn cedar
At least 85% of the plays I've come across, even though Moth also has AP, the new TS system has no effect on them.
dire reef
@dire reef Your strikethrough statement is main reason why there's no ts poll. Only the popular spirits would be voted in and no other spirits would get their chance.
mhm, some people may think its a good option but i have mixed feelings because people can get what they want, but people may not be able to get what they want, therefore its unfair, and it sorta takes down the purpose of ts since its random and not voted for
tight bloom
I so agree that this new system came from the need to sell more AP rather than "reducing stress"
silent lily
@brittle sequoia
Why not?
Why won't you spend candlez on friends? Do they not deserve it?
I do.. Everyone should spend candles on Friends
If you just unlock hi five to be able to trade and save your candles instead of unlocking wholesome emotes like hug, headpats, piggyback, playfight, what are you doing pal?
It's Literally so much fun
spark lance
Omg this patch is crazy 😂😂😂
rocky swallow
making money irl is way more stressful than grinding
strong canopy
I so agree that this new system came from the need to sell more AP rather than "reducing stress"
@tight bloom because if you needed to pay money to get items you wanted to get, you could already have. by purchasing candles pack
brittle sequoia
Yeah ,
I think discount or free previous AP items for current AP players and no discount on AP items for non-AP players
@silent lily
Ya this would be right but currently it is like some Cosmetics are accessed only with Pass and then we can spend the Candles.
vital sentinel
Ahhhh idk... this is too confusing... i will just go back to gen
summer sundial
Yeah so like that meme with palps saying "I love democracy" but instead its "no democracy" and that's my opinion on ths ts voting thing.
slow narwhal
Seasonal spirits had both items that were accessible to those without a pass and then items locked for those did have one. Perhaps they could just function the way that they used to. The locked items need some sort of pass and the accessible items are still open to buy without one.
spark lance
I would encourage devs to develop “body pain moves” when a moff or a seasoned one flies right on you, hits you and throws you in the air. Cause really some players don’t care about to be kind while walking or flying 🥰
silent lily
WHAT!?
lyric wadi
@lyric wadi I think people love sky because it is a social game. They play it because they appreciate friends they have got in sky. I don’t see the reaosn why they leave just because now they have to pay some money to buy something they want.
@agile tinsel let's accept it. Sky is a dress up game with awesome social dynamics. I met a lot of awesomw friends here too. But sky friends people become friends outside the game too, like using discord and whatnot. In that case, if candle grinding becomes useless coz no ts, then why bother go online to talk to friend when the same can be done offline too? Don't forget fandom is a very fickle thing. When fans feel the game doesn't care about them and makes the major thing about the game (dress up cosmetics about ts) as a paid thing, ofc they will start playing less.
spark lance
I like how the update was released on a weekend... when the TGC staff are weekending...
We have until tomorrow to discuss it among ourselves (and hopefully calm down too)
So when the TGC staff are back, we have by then bonked back into our senses and not attack them
I fear if ktjn was here a few hours ago, they would have been bombarded with questions and impulsive reactions that are otherwise unnecessary
rancid oriole
My simple statement on ultimate reward travelling spirit is that it's a disrespect to people who worked hard to complete seasonal constellations if you can instantly buy them with money now, and they should really not touch ultimate rewards
rapid lily
So im writting in the beta feedback and my phone is lagging and i accidentally pressed the send button so now i have to wait 15 minutes to send it again jezus christ my phone
brittle sequoia
@brittle sequoia
Why not?
Why won't you spend candlez on friends? Do they not deserve it?
I do.. Everyone should spend candles on Friends
If you just unlock hi five to be able to trade and save your candles instead of unlocking wholesome emotes like hug, headpats, piggyback, playfight, what are you doing pal?
It's Literally so much fun
@silent lily
With the extra 92 candles for 14 days you left spending 160 for TS, you can do that it's your wish as you said some don't have time to grind candles then they don't have time to spend time with friends too. So if they have time, they can farm 18 candles per day and do fun with friends with the 92 candles, simple.
slow narwhal
I guess they made a mistake in offering the pass locked items unlocked in the first place, it created entitlement and expectation. It’s late to try and go back on that.
fallow chasm
did u know that Prophecy is Gratitude but stone version?
silent lily
@brittle sequoia
That was literally my point
i- I can't-
mental otter
a suggestion is to put your feedback into a document file and send it in! that way you can avoid situations like that where you send accidentally and you have to wait. but it's still up to you of course !
late tulip
Where is the 4th seasonal candle? I found 2 in social area and one in the ice rink. Thanks in advance
kindred creek
Someone from the live version hacked the emotes for the prophecy? Could you possibly report them? Even if you never know them?
dusky jolt
or you guys just only pay for the regular candles packs -.-
give this for feedback seems like make this worse -.-
agile tinsel
@agile tinsel let's accept it. Sky is a dress up game with awesome social dynamics. I met a lot of awesomw friends here too. But sky friends people become friends outside the game too, like using discord and whatnot. In that case, if candle grinding becomes useless coz no ts, then why bother go online to talk to friend when the same can be done offline too? Don't forget fandom is a very fickle thing. When fans feel the game doesn't care about them and makes the major thing about the game (dress up cosmetics about ts) as a paid thing, ofc they will start playing less.
@Fae.ruhi wants baked potato 🥔#3301 can you have the peaceful atmosphere of the forest, mysterious feeling of the vault, scariness of the wasteland in real life with your friends? If you just come to sky to dress up and show off to friends, I am sure there are much better games for that.
spark lance
How about if a certain player has completed that past season's constellation via TS, they have the option to meet the questgiver in Eden and buy an alternate version of the Ultimate gift, for say, 20 - 30 Ascended Candles? That seems fair enough.
Or maybe they must have the current season's AP too, to make it more fair to the veterans who did pay for AP during the live season
It will be difficult and will take a longer time to achieve, but is otherwise doable
lyric wadi
@lyric wadi can you have the peaceful atmosphere of the forest, mysterious feeling of the vault, scariness of the wasteland in real life with your friends? If you just come to sky to dress up and show off to friends, I am sure there are much better games for that.
@agile tinsel actually after playing for about 6-12 months yes I can stay Without the forest and wl as long as friends are there. Secondly, no there are no such awesome interactive dress up games.
worn field
!reportplayer
Someone from the live version hacked the emotes for the prophecy? Could you possibly report them? Even if you never know them?
you can report them if you encounter them in-game, you just have to light them up
gilded parrotBOT
Here's some info on how to report players in the game: https://bit.ly/ReportFAQ
skylluminati confirmed
mighty estuary
Idk if this true:
High price-> fewer donator
Low price-> more donator
Since millions people playing the game and i assume at least 50% can't afford buying cosmetics above lantern price
rain delta
@silent lily also, the game means different things to different people. While you may find upgrading friendships to be gratifying, I’m usually happy with just unlocking chat and hugs. Usually this is because, most of the friends I make in sky, I don;t see again. And the ones I see over and over again, I do upgrade all the way, but again, that;s probably one or two not a 100. still not something I’d need 100 candles for.
And with the sky constellations being the way they are, it’s hard to find a lot of friends too. Plus on candle runs, i solo my way through and rarely go with friends ——- because time zones :(
So really, the game looses its appeal after you complete everything. The traveling spirits are fun way to keep going though... especially in between seasons when you have little else to do.
This is also why TGC keeps pushing their seasonal updates so fast and rushed. Cause they know, that two weeks at most, is the max they can keep the players occupied. If they takes months to release a new season, the hype, excitement everything fades. To give credit on their part, this is also why they;be been taking such big strides to improve the game play. To make this game about more than just the Cr and cosmetics. But as it is now, that is exactly what it is.
rapid lily
I think this TS idea is awesome because Devs worked very hard for this game and the only thing they received is all the complaints about TS cosmetics and how ugly they are. So devs have to bring it on so those people can respect the efforts. ❤️ Devs had brought TS for free but they dont respect it so buy the pass or you quit. ❤️
gentle jacinth
Some people say cosmetics are ugly?? what
eager ferry
ikr who would say that they're all beautiful
late tulip
Where is the 4th seasonal candle? I found 2 in social area and one in the ice rink. Thanks in advance
My question drowned in the sea of posts
silent lily
Sky is NOT a dress up game.
You know, I don't usually candle farm, but still end up playing sky all day, you may ask why? We go to oobs, have fun , ||get krilled|| , play muisc and talk and talk all day.
Idk how people even candle farm everyday, let's agree, its very boring especially if you lead and do it everyday.
Sky isn't just candle farming all day, it's a lot other things
sullen relic
@late tulip i haven't checked yet, but by trend, the last one should also be around the ice rink somewhere if you've already found two in the social area
vital sentinel
Lmao sky as a dress up game sounds so funny to me-
mental otter
gentle reminder from mirian!
Again, let's not react with negative emotes in someone's message guys. Saying why you disagree in your own message is friendlier and more constructive
lyric wadi
@silent lily not to be rude but that opinion changes after some 12 months of playing the game...in that case ts is the only incentive ither than socialising which can be done off game too
rapid lily
Some people say cosmetics are ugly?? what
@gentle jacinth many people say cosmetics are ugly. They do say it garbage too.
abstract canopy
@abstract canopy no in live start in two days
@trim ferry ok, but will the beta season ends?
slow narwhal
How about if a certain player has completed that past season's constellation via TS, they have the option to meet the questgiver in Eden and buy an alternate version of the Ultimate gift, for say, 20 - 30 Ascended Candles? That seems fair enough.
Or maybe they must have the current season's AP too, to make it more fair to the veterans who did pay for AP during the live seasonIt will be difficult and will take a longer time to achieve, but is otherwise doable
@spark lance I think recolors are a good peaceful solution. Players can complete the constellation over time and can still get the reward, while the version for the season itself is still a unique achievement for being accomplished while it was live.
spark lance
I was just saying some players come at you running (and it would be fun if you really fell), without knowing that you are there, even while flying they have no care to be... careful. it would be fun if...
plain ember
Everyone has a diff goal in game, not everyone love to do oobs, music and stuff, I play to collect cosmetics and I enjoy it. There are some cosmetics and musical instruments that I never used but still love to collect them
eager ferry
Sky is NOT a dress up game.
You know, I don't usually candle farm, but still end up playing sky all day, you may ask why? We go to oobs, have fun , ||get krilled|| , play muisc and talk and talk all day.
Idk how people even candle farm everyday, let's agree, its very boring especially if you lead and do it everyday.
@silent lily Although Sky isn't a dress–up game, the cosmetics are an important part of it!! It lets us.. idk insert something motivational here... anyway what im saying is its a big part of sky and a lot of people play because of them
rain delta
@silent lily music isn’t really my thing in sky, oobs are fun, but lately all the updates have been removing some of those oobs - like example the elder rooms. ;\
And talk and talk all day?? What if I’m an introvert?? I can’t talk to people all day online.. I do have a life outside the game too :) and besides what’s wrong with farming? I really enjoy the flying, the deep diving in sanctuary, the curves and corners you can take to navigate tough corners.
The biggest thing that pulls me to the game is those flight mechanics. They give the CRs meaning and joy and the CRs have meaning because I can put the candles to use later.
summer sundial
idk how people even candle farm everyday, let's agree, its very boring especially if you lead and do it everyday.
@silent lily Everyone is different. Others find enjoyment in running or leading in runs. That's why there are people who uber multiple times a day.
tight bloom
Cosmetic is the reason I downloaded Sky in the first place.
white dirge
People candle run to complete constellation or for the TS
silent lily
Lol, sky is a socializing platform more than a game I think. And it's the next social media I've ever encountered , why do I need to socialize on Discord when I have sky???
And sorry, not to be rude,if you think ts is the only reason of playing the game, your missing out a lot of things
||Just to tell, I've been playing for 7 months now||
mild snow
you know... you can play a game for different reasons 😂
grand frigate
the reason people play sky is def subjective !! so no one can say for everyone. i personally enjoy doing cr, getting krilled, playing music, and hanging out with friends ! collecting cosmestics because i like how they look 👉👈 it rlly depends on what the person's motives are
rapid lily
Sky is NOT a dress up game.
You know, I don't usually candle farm, but still end up playing sky all day, you may ask why? We go to oobs, have fun , ||get krilled|| , play muisc and talk and talk all day.
Idk how people even candle farm everyday, let's agree, its very boring especially if you lead and do it everyday.
Sky isn't just candle farming all day, it's a lot other things
@silent lily yeah i agree. But many people in my Facebook group thinks it is and they only care about the items tho. They do sell their account. The more items you got , the more expensive your account is. And they always agrueing about ts
spark lance
I can actually get so interesting if you're the one leading. You get to read the chat without having to respond.
One time everyone was discussing potatoes in the chat. I was ROFL that I didn't even hear the krill.. so we all got krilled
lyric wadi
To people who say dress up isn't as important, maybe it would do well to ask oneself how many times have they asked to trade hearts in game and farmed for candles for hearts and paid to unlock stuff?
slow narwhal
It’d be nice if they offered more fun things to do with flight mechanics, like games to fly through things or collect targets in a race or whatever. Flying really makes the game for me, the clothing is more to show off an identity I guess.
summer sundial
It’d be nice if they offered more fun things to do with flight mechanics, like games to fly through things or collect targets in a race or whatever. Flying really makes the game for me, the clothing is more to show off an identity I guess.
@slow narwhal Uhhh Valley?
sullen relic
Idk how people even candle farm everyday, let's agree, its very boring especially if you lead and do it everyday.
@silent lily just purely as a reply out of insight, i treat the candle runs like a racing game; it might sound a bit weird, but time trials by nature are pretty repetitive, with the only real thing you're doing in those is trying to do it as fast as possible and improve your times; it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's just one way some people might actually enjoy it
shut jacinth
Even the season pass page says "The spirits would return later but that would be a long time" .. This means that free players would get a chance to get the cosmetics and emotes .. This means that TGC actually promises us free players that we have a chance to get the spirits.. Implementing the new system would just be a checkmate to their own promise
ocean parcel
Sky is to show ur true character, if u couldn't obtain it in real life, u could do it in sky
dim tapir
i've seen players call the gratitude cosmetics ugly. i know everyone has their own tastes but gratitude will always be special and we have to respect the efforts put into it by the devs. it's amazing to see how much far sky has come in less than a year. and on that note we should also respect what each other think. it's nice that the chat has calmed down a bit more compared to this morning(for me at least)
silent lily
Also, with the trails this season , I would only expect more different and fun things to come in the future.
mild snow
i proudly play sky for cosmetics
and OOBSs
and friends
and OOBing with friends
and cosmetic-ing with friends
agile tinsel
@agile tinsel actually after playing for about 6-12 months yes I can stay Without the forest and wl as long as friends are there. Secondly, no there are no such awesome interactive dress up games.
@Fae.ruhi wants baked potato 🥔#3301 if you feel bored that way and decide to leave the game, then it is not because now you have to pay for the cosmetics but instead the content of the game is boring for you already. I really hope the fandom does not feel it as you feel. If big part of the fandom stays in the game just for the cosmetics, the game is pretty much dead already then it really does not matter anymore if the cosmetics cost or not. This game is just much more than wearing clothes to show off to friends.
rapid lily
To people who say dress up isn't as important, maybe it would do well to ask oneself how many times have they asked to trade hearts in game and farmed for candles for hearts and paid to unlock stuff?
@lyric wadi dress up is important but not the most important in this game. It just a part of it
slow narwhal
@slow narwhal Uhhh Valley?
@summer sundial Valley is a very particular and scripted sort of event. You are pushed by the wind and there is just one direction. I mean more varied play, like how we used to go oob to collect candles floating in the air while avoiding the maelstrom which was a fun challenge. There is no real challenge to Valley.
lyric wadi
@lyric wadi if you feel bored that way and decide to leave the game, then it is not because now you have to pay for the cosmetics but instead the content of the game is boring for you already. I really hope the fandom does not feel it as you feel. If big part of the fandom stays in the game just for the cosmetics, the game is pretty much dead already then it really does not matter anymore if the cosmetics cost or not. This game is just much more than just wearing clothes to show off to friends.
@VincentNart #5378 And yet dress up is as big part of game as socialising. I still like the game coz of the cosmetics and not coz it became boring.
silent lily
I play sky for everything except farming 😂
And 30 mins before reset I'm like ough, I forgot again , THE QUESTS!!!!!
spark lance
i proudly play sky for cosmetics
and OOBSs
and friends
and OOBing with friends
and cosmetic-ing with friends
@mild snow
I would love to go on an OOB adventure everyday
But i don't have friends who can do that 😂😂😂
If anyone wants to go on OOB adventure, can you please let me join? I'll send my QR code
rancid oriole
It never was boring to begin with
mild snow
@mild snow
I would love to go on an OOB adventure everyday
But i don't have friends who can do that 😂😂😂
If anyone wants to go on OOB adventure, can you please let me join? I'll send my QR code
@spark lance send me your QR! i'll show you my fav spots hehe
dusty prairie
Mann if my friends didn't split up or leave, it might be fun ...
tight bloom
Without TS and cosmetics, how many ppl would be playing? Do CR? Flying through the realms? I know that I wouldn't.
stark cloud
I will not quit Sky..i already bought pre-order..Sky is one of my therapy time📣
And krill is my sparring partner..
I kinda like that spider cape.
frank condor
My friend said Sky was a dress up game where you flew around when she introduced it to me, but after playing for 2 months I realised it wasn't just that. It's actually just people having fun, like getting krrrreeeellled, OOBing, relaxing, and a lot more 👹✨
candid nebula
for me, making friends in sky is actually very difficult - most people are too busy cr’ing or dont speak your language :( - especially on beta, its harder as i hardly ever see anyone on there
eager fulcrum
even if you don’t like candle runs, it is true that you can have someone uber you : ) i’m sure there are plenty of people willing to offer
thorn cedar
exm,oob means...?
lyric wadi
@lyric wadi dress up is important but not the most important in this game. It just a part of it
@rapid lily for some but not for all. And I am sorry to say I don't agree with it not being a big part. Have you never farmed for ts or traded hearts for cosmetics? Secondly, this debate the whole day and feedback channel going nyoom the entire day also proves that dress up is a very major factor as well.
dim tapir
my sky kiddo will turn 1 next month and i'm still having a blast with my friends. it can get taxing to do crs everyday but don't forget it's important to take breaks so you don't burn out
silent lily
Aight I have a question please answer with Yes or no
"If the ts system was to go away forever, will you still play sky?"
I will
I won't
summer sundial
I play sky mainly to farm because I like grinding. I like seeing my candle count increase everyday. In my downtime I uber to eden to help people. Sky can be whatever game you want it to be as long as you have fun and follow the rules.
spark lance
@spark lance send me your QR! i'll show you my fav spots hehe
@mild snow
Really?! Thank you
mild snow
glehhh the new trials are so harddddd
ocean parcel
Yea, cosmetics are all important to show our true personality, it even written in help
golden coral
exm,oob means...?
@thorn cedar out of boundaries
agile cape
@agile tinsel #537 We don't get bored of the game, we are disappointed that the healthy and fair community we once loved is gone.
median karma
The whole game is about social and going around with friends, farming candles together. if everything turns into AP, there will be less and less people hanging out in sky. I don't like how this is going. Students are not able to get what they're waiting for as they waited for TS season pass purchased cosmetics for so long.
still socket
if TGC do it , you quit game . I don't care. 🤪
eager fulcrum
to me, the core parts of sky are making friends, exploring, farming candles, and collecting cosmetics. they all impact each other
whole helm
"If the ts system was to go away forever, will you still play sky?"
We still have more upcoming seasons, also friends and beautiful scene and stuffs, so nope ;3
spark lance
yes, its a whole entire experience that works as a package.
candid nebula
the ts system is practically the only thing i want for me right now, the cool past cosmetics that i want and the motivation to cr in the first place.. as someone who lives in a low-wage area if everyone becomes IAP/AP i just wont be able to do much
lyric wadi
to me, the core parts of sky are making friends, exploring, farming candles, and collecting cosmetics. they all impact each other
@eager fulcrum exactly! And even one of these gets affected it's gonna backlash a lot...as evident from discussions here and in beta feedback channel
rain delta
@silent lily I started playing when the game was released globally back in 2019, but gave up playing as soon as I finished Eden. When I came back to the game, it was enchantment, I had no idea what seasons were. But I would log on occasionally— weekly bi weekly, whenever the next quest was available. note: at this point in time, I was not aware of the TS or how they worked.
Then, I understood how traveling spirits worked, and I gradually started playing more often. Playing more often actually increased my exposure to other players and I made closer friends in sky. But all this started because I — simply put — played the game more — why because the TS were there to encourage candle running and candle running is how I meant a lot of people.
I don’t play purely for the TS but they did become a reason to be active in sky - as opposed to loggin in once in a while
grand frigate
there are def lots of other things to do in game, really. but i get that ts might be a big part to some. afterall, not everyone is a social butterfly
steep swift
this situation reminds me of EA's "if you don't like it, just don't buy", you know what happened with their sales. it'll repeat again
spark lance
The new beta update is my everything and I gotta say,
THANK YOU DEVS. YOU GUYS ARE DOING AMAZING.
ocean parcel
Sky is my second life for me without them I will never learn to socialize
silent lily
I'm okay with it as long as the pass lock cosmetics are also available for non pass holders in some way
late tulip
(Just a normal post) I can't believe that the Prophet of Earth and Prophet of Air's capes don't need the AP
hot wyvern
mmm...
mild snow
i know everyone is talking about AP and the morality of capitalism, but can someone give me tips on how to not die in the new fire trial HAHAH
I tried dodging the dang shadow krill, hid behind a rock, stood at a candle, curled up into a ball, worshipped my krill gods, sacrificed my friend, had my friend sacrifice me. 
thin wolf
Just make a 50% off for pass holders
vital sentinel
Idk i just play sky since i love the concept of rebirth in this game, and i met lot of friends who encouraged me to draw
Also yeah i also love the valley twins sooo
dim tapir
communities can get worse as they grow. yes i also miss the old times but we should focus on ways to make the current one better. and comparing tgc to ea is a bit too much imo
still socket
The community is slowly getting worse with those who only want to think selfishly. They have to make sure that both sides benefit. You want free, what about them bankruptcy? 🤪 Why don't think about that jajajaja ?
pallid badger
Have you put that in feedback, lonewolf? That's an idea! keep the regular candle cost, but allow pass holders to get those items free, so there is a choice.
rapid lily
@rapid lily for some but not for all. And I am sorry to say I don't agree with it not being a big part. Have you never farmed for ts or traded hearts for cosmetics? Secondly, this debate the whole day and feedback channel going nyoom the entire day also proves that dress up is a very major factor as well.
@lyric wadi yeah, i said it just a part of a game, but it is not the most important. Many people play this game only care about the dress up. Sky is a adventure game where to make friends , dress up and explore. NOT A DRESSING GIRL GAME
tired fox
Judging from what they wrote, at the moment it doesn’t sound like it. I didn’t mind grinding and I’m broke as heck, and they only thing I have is time. So this is a massive lose for me, tho I guess it might benefit some people
neat crown
i stay in sky for the glorious art and colours, they're visually stunning, healing and therapeutic.. cosmetics are side bonus eventhough i am a collector player, friends are awesome company but im mostly introverted, no trouble for me being solo ingame, i do get tired from time to time, but i learnt to change my perspective when playing this game 
jade dirge
Do you guys think there will be more about this season? More cutscenes and story behind this? I feel like its just all about the challenges and the spirit and such, is there gonna be hidden meanings with murals on walls and some ending cutscenes when this season ends?
silent lily
I would easily trade prophet of earth's cape for the panst ehheheh forgive me
Yes boon, I submitted the feedback regarding the same, I hope they listen
desert mango
Farming candles is the core of the game ... Put that in middle and branch everything off example :making friends , flying ...everything ...,
digital mica
I'm sorry, but what about pre-orders for three? If i can't give these two ap for my friends before the season start, then they can't buy things from TS that arrives between seasons?
agile tinsel
@agile tinsel #537 We don’t get bored of the game, we are disappointed that the healthy and fair community we once loved is gone.
@agile cape if you say fair, how do you define “fair”? Some people pay to get something, and some people get it for free. If you say I am selfish, I really don’t understand why. People can still play the game without some cosmetics, so why is the community not healthy anymore if now you need to pay money to get what you need? Before ts, you didn’t have even a chance to get previous seasons’ cosmetics. Now you can get them for free (which is unfair for people who bought AP in previous seasons). This new ts system gives you chance to buy previous seasons’ cosmetics with the fairness to those you bought that season’s AP. I see many people complains because they are used to get stuff for free already so now they won’t accept that they need to pay something as others did.
sullen relic
tiger, put that concern in the beta feedback channel -- might be a good time for them to consider allowing gifting APs before a season starts, whether it's for this new TS system or otherwise
tranquil coral
@desert mango actually the core of the game is the experience u feel when u play at the first time like any adventure game. Everything else is just to keep players enjoy the game
pallid badger
At the moment, this is all a gut reaction to initial proposed idea. Lets see how it works. this is beta where ideas are tested, amended, implemented or ditched, so keep that in mind.
tight bloom
Imagine it's the last few days of the season, a TS you've been waiting for arrive. The thing you want is AP locked.
limpid nova
my belonging panntsss q>q
agile cape
The community is slowly getting worse with those who only want to think selfishly. They have to make sure that both sides benefit. You want free, what about them bankruptcy? 🤪 Why don't think about that jajajaja ?
@still socket Those who cannot pay for the pass still cannot pay when this happens, it actually doesn't change much but makes some pass buyers feel negative.
sullen relic
Khione, also throw that in the feedback channel! may lead to things getting reworked or reconsidered (that's definitely not a potential issue we've had to face before this proposition)
lyric wadi
@lyric wadi yeah, i said it just a part of a game, but it is not the most important. Many people play this game only care about the dress up. Sky is a adventure game where to make friends , dress up and explore. NOT A DRESSING GIRL GAME
@rapid lily I am not saying it's just a dress up thing. I am saying that is as important a part of it as anything else. And let's not say dress up things r girls things, coz if we use that word on sky then even boys play the game and wanna trade hearts and buy stuff with IAP. All I am saying is not to undermine the ts cosmetics etc. They are atleast 59-60% important in the game. And we can't affoed to buy EVERYTHING. AS IT IS THE HALLOWEEN STUFD COSTS ABOUT 50$. Do you really expect sky community to be able to pay up for everything? Do you walk around in moth hair and cape and don't care about cosmetics? Surely not
steep swift
The community is slowly getting worse with those who only want to think selfishly. They have to make sure that both sides benefit. You want free, what about them bankruptcy? 🤪 Why don't think about that jajajaja ?
@still socket they'll go bankrupt if they can't manage this kind of situation well. if people don't like, they will leave. it's just how it works
desert mango
The expierience is a obvious.. Everyone knows the feeling and i still get that feeling now as when i first played.... Im saying the core of gameplay is farming candles ..
silent lily
Both the rhythm Capes will be ap only, so my dreams will be shattered, but I won't quit playing Just because of that
eager ferry
TS system: is reworked
Everybody: Argue time 
shy warren
Just make free items for AP holders and for non AP players leave those items accessible by using candles. Don’t take from us the pleasure of getting item by using our collected candles. I won’t buy AP if I don’t enjoy the new season, but traveling spirits is the thing to give non pass players, new players etc. chance to get awesome items from past seasons.
hasty vessel
what are you talking about bankruptcy, leave me out. they need to stop singling out free to play players it’s not fair. and this is coming from someone who owns every single item in this game
digital mica
@sullen relic done
tired fox
Honestly the only appeal of playing between seasons for me (I’ve been playing since belonging and almost completed all constellations) was precisely grinding for ts lmao. Guess I’ll only play during seasons from now on then
dim tapir
there's a difference between arguing and discussing. i hope we're all aware of that
lunar owl
TS system: is reworked
Everybody: Argue time
@eager ferry Because there's no genuine reason for them to rework the ts, it just detriments f2ps
desert mango
Erm why have people in live got all the new emotes ....why put this stuff in game already ...
Yep ive reported about 20 people and also lost a friend on the way because they told me they done something to files to get their to let people warp to them so i blocked them and my other friend reported them cause i had to come off as its all too much for me
still socket
someone said after reading the news about TS : " I will quit game "
okay, bye . I don't care.
TGC gave a nice situation and I agreed
covert hollow
Facts.
also love the venti pfp
God, ppl who get salty over sumtin that was previously iap being free grits on my nerves.
Ppl do grind to get the TS, u know.
Its not like sky drops it into our laps.
You get to enjoy the cosmetic for agess before newer players, what is there to complain abt?
Slowmode
pallid badger
Report anyone you see, Samuel.
silent lily
Beta: a spicy debatable feature
Gen beta discussion: nyoooooom
And personally, I've seen noone who is complaining about the ts, why won't they let it the way it is, Ig that's fine 😂
terse wadi
tbh even though im a pass buyer I'd feel sad if the TS becomes AP. I have friends who can't buy pass, friends who are still underage who diligently collects candles for TS. Just make the items have a candle discount for ap holders, thats fine too
sullen relic
i wouldn't be against them reworking the TS system in a way that benefits the players who're financially supporting TGC, i'm just not entirely fond of the current proposal which looks like it's at the detriment of f2p players
tranquil mortar
Hi, I'm back from study, are we still talking about the spirits?
median karma
Come on, we all want our friends have the same cosmetics as us for pairing. For whoever is broke, students. People still trying hard for TS cuz they are busy for exams, work, even people who don't buy pass but some of them surely buy AP to have more fun with friends.
eager ferry
Report anyone you see, Samuel.
@pallid badger
Sees another player
Ah, report time
steep swift
i'd say this "argument" is necessary for them to decide. sometimes things could get heated but that just shows how important this topic is
agile tinsel
@rapid lily I am not saying it’s just a dress up thing. I am saying that is as important a part of it as anything else. And let’s not say dress up things r girls things, coz if we use that word on sky then even boys play the game and wanna trade hearts and buy stuff with IAP. All I am saying is not to undermine the ts cosmetics etc. They are atleast 59-60% important in the game. And we can’t affoed to buy EVERYTHING. AS IT IS THE HALLOWEEN STUFD COSTS ABOUT 50$. Do you really expect sky community to be able to pay up for everything? Do you walk around in moth hair and cape and don’t care about cosmetics? Surely not
@Fae.ruhi wants baked potato 🥔#3301 you told me to accept that sky is a dress up game 😐 now you denied what you said. Anyways it does not matter. You have lots of free cosmetics from basic constellations and seasons’ spirits so you don’t need to wear moth hair and cape. You don’t have to buy all. If you want all, you need to pay some.
pallid badger
Ha, Kom 
hollow jay
Guys don't be upset. Why upset? 
You can still grind for TS items, just not all of it. Previously AP restricted will remain AP-restricted. Previously free items will still be FREE.
tired fox
As others said before it could work if they gave the ts cosmetics for free to all new pass holders but let us common mortals grind for them. Yeah we can still grind but what about veterans who never bought a pass and already have all the free items? .-.
stark cloud
Kindly reminder please do not requote huge exam paragraph. Thank you.
covert hollow
People need to continue making noise until something gets done
So yes, we continue discussing
hi fae
silent lily
I think the only change thay should make is reduce the costs of previous ap only items for pass player's which will work as another advantage of pass that'll draw more people in buying it
Also it'd be good if this system isn't applied during non-season times
dark quail
🌈 to all once again
golden coral
As others said before it could work if they gave the ts cosmetics for free to all new pass holders but let us common mortals grind for them
@tired fox yep, I agree with this. Its a win win solution for both sides
lyric wadi
@lyric wadi you told me to accept that sky is a dress up game 😐 now you denied what you said. Anyways it does not matter. You have lots of free cosmetics from basic constellations and seasons’ spirits so you don’t need to wear moth hair and cape. You don’t have to buy all. If you want all, you need to pay some.
@agile tinsel I said sky is dress up for want of a better word, yeah but I never said it was for girls only. You were the one who said it's for girls only if they wanna dressup etc. I said cosmetics were AS IMPORTANT PART as socialising in the game. And any one dynamic getting affected will result in a lot of stuff like the one which is happening here.
lunar zealot
I’m kinda on the edge about this change to how TS work. However I can see where they’re coming from. So I’m gonna give it a go, see how it feels (although I’m broke in beta 😔)
agile tinsel
@agile tinsel I said sky is dress up for want of a better word, yeah but I never said it was for girls only. You were the one who said it’s for girls only if they wanna dressup etc. I said cosmetics were AS IMPORTANT PART as socialising in the game. And any one dynamic getting affected will result in a lot of stuff like the one which is happening here.
@Fae.ruhi wants baked potato 🥔#3301 i didn’t say it is for girl. You messed up yourself. Scroll up, read and refresh your mind 😂
hollow jay
Yes LoneWolf, it said in the update notice that the prices for AP-restricted TS items will have some adjustments.
That's good news right?
spark adder
This update has its ups and downs (in my opinion mostly downs but that’s just my opinion)
silent lily
Fae and Vincent, I'm sorry but that is starting to heat up :) it might look like arguing tbh ❤️
spark lance
can someone explain me about the new ts update thingy?I seem to not getting it
lunar owl
Basically putting more things behind a paywall
stray imp
The discuss still on fire
Pst i just want to Remaind to write on feedback for every idea 
lyric wadi
@agile tinsel also, m sure u don't run around only in all the clothes obtained from common cosmetics I don't wamma argue, I have an opinion which I am expressing.
Edit: yeah u did say it. U said dressup game is for girls and sky is not a dressup game.
Edit 2: yeah lonewolf, agreed! ❤️
desert mango
I reported 20 people and lost a friend on the way for doing wrong things so i blocked them also they dine tbings to get to new area to let people warp... I had to leave sky as i was surrounded by wrongens
sullen relic
@spark lance as we currently understand it, imagine if the travelling spirits behaved more like seasonal spirits: part of their items can only be claimed if you have the adventure pass for the current season
tranquil mortar
@spark lance , it's like the seasonal spirits some items are AP. but you will have to buy them, you don't get it for free you just need AP. II At least that's what I understood.
spark lance
This update it a little, ehhhh
Not sure how I feel about it
hot wyvern
same
thorny fulcrum
Pls dont fight 🥺
spark lance
ngl but it sound kinda sad for ppl who don't have money to buy pass
terse wadi
Tbh just please make it a discount for AP holders. candle discount sounds nice to me imo. Not AP restricted.
late plaza
Yeah
sullen oasis
I am on the neutral side because I don't understand anything
agile tinsel
@agile tinsel also, m sure u don’t run around only in all the clothes obtained from common cosmetics
Edit: yeah u did say it. U said dressup game is for girls and sky is not a dressup game.Edit 2: yeah lonewolf, agreed! ❤️
@Fae.ruhi wants baked potato 🥔#3301 if you can find where I said dressup game is for girl, I will gift you next season’s AP. You messed up with someone. You are just denying what you said initially so you don’t have a really firm thought to argue yet. Have a good rest
tranquil mortar
Low-key same
rocky swallow
if the ap ts thingy gets implemented in live, thats it im leaving, thanks for the 3 months sky
latent tide
At least I hope the new TS system we can choose 1 of the AP restrict to unlock the item we want the most (f2p) so we can still obtain the item we want
rustic hearth
How is it going to be possible to have AP if we buy it with friend but before season starts she can’t give it to me 🙄🙄🙄
rain delta
I think the most important thing the traveling spirits bring to the table, is - investment. You get invested into the game, you understand it’s system more and you fall into its ecosystem— which actually in the long run is more likely to make you purchase IAPs. If this was a game I logged into once in a while, I wouldn’t be paying for anything in the game - cause I might just delete in the future anyways
golden coral
@lyric wadi if you can find where I said dressup game is for girl, I will gift you next season’s AP. You messed up with someone. You are just denying what you said initially so you don’t have a really firm thoughts to argue yet. Have a good rest
@agile tinsel actually, Faeruhi is replying to another person who said girl dress up game. Its not you the one Who said it, but another person. Please calm down a little bit
tranquil umbra
I think the previous TS System (without AP restriction) is already fair. Like, if you want something, then you gotta work for it (which means grinding for candles). It’s already fair. What people can’t understand is that none of these cosmetics are “exclusive”. Everyone should get a chance. And i barely see ‘vets’ complain about TS. Now ppl mostly complain about not getting rhythm TS tho😂 (and complaining about it isn’t good too peeps remember that TS is drawn randomly)🥰
late plaza
Some people have strict parents y'know—
So ngl candle discount pretty nice idea! It's balanced and helps both APpurchasers and newbies.
Edit: omg slowmode
covert hollow
Heres hoping they do change it to a discount
I wonder though, it said their reason for this change was to "reduce the grindy feeling while keeping it fair"
Was this really the best solution?
Edit: edenover, exactly my thoughts
Im deleting after prophecy (since i alrdy bought, what a waste)
rocky swallow
making money AND grinding are both hard work, the old ts system is already fair
tranquil mortar
Yup, I also like the discount idea! I think someone should write it in feed-back!! edit: I don't know if i can, since I already wrote feedback.
hot wyvern
i just want my fur cape :c, I hope this doesn't apply in live...
tired fox
It’s the invisible player icons debate all over again... a minority complained about something that WASN’T A PROBLEM and now this happens
mild snow
@lyric wadi
pallid badger
I don't think there is a solution that will satisfy everyone. The daily grind is huge, for those who do it. Finding a way of making this stuff available without devaluing the original pass/cost, but trying to reduce the massive time investment on players and letting them use their candles for other things too, such as hearts and friendships etc ... its an impossible balance to strike. Polite and constructive feedback is crucial.
terse wadi
How is it going to be possible to have AP if we buy it with friend but before season starts she can’t give it to me 🙄🙄🙄
@rustic hearth
Exactly. I buy 3 person pass. What about those two friends I have that aren't gonna get the AP restricted items cause I can't gift the pass yet?
misty star
Wait so in the new TS system, the adventure pass only items are free?
If you have the adventure pass I mean
agile tinsel
@golden coral thanks ❤️
sullen relic
kaekae, we're not clear on that at this point -- they said in the update notes that they haven't revised the candle costs in beta yet because the system is still being designed
lunar owl
Theres nothing wrong with the ts system and in fact the new ts system brings much more detriments to players than the old one
Grinding is part of the game whether you like it or not. In fact, its probably the main part of the game
tranquil mortar
I'm saying again, feedback! TGC does listen to players . It's also an amazing thing that they listen to us.! casually reads it 3 times to see if i did typos.
silent lily
Well, I don't care actually, I just need a good season with LORE 😂
terse wadi
Please please just make it a discount... I don't want my moths to lose hope in getting my butterfly cape 😭😭
covert hollow
I believe discount is the way to go too
So, technically, you "pay to save time grinding"
Whereas f2p ppl can grind the hard way for the cosmetics
Makes sense
late plaza
Yes
spark lance
Remember guys, it is not yet the new TS system. It could only be potentially the new one.. but it has not rolled over to live.
There is no reason to panic or get upset.
TGC is a company who really does listen, so don't forget to share your feedback #beta-feedback , but be nice and respectful please.
The people who read our feedback are actual people just like us.
rocky swallow
DISCOUNT GANG
delicate locust
Bruh
slow narwhal
So owning a pass perhaps makes the costs closer to what they were during their original season?
tranquil mortar
yup, the discount sounds nice. And like blue said It's still in beta.
latent tide
I hope we can see the coming up TS to choose which item we can obtain the rest is AP restrict
pearl peak
I can't read ur good
lyric wadi
@agile tinsel actually, Faeruhi is replying to another person who said girl dress up game. Its not you the one Who said it, but another person. Please calm down a little bit
@golden coral ehh...sorry if I pinged the wrong person
terse wadi
Dude if it becomes discount perhaps I can finally buy everything the TS offers
hot wyvern
The cost of the pass is different in each country, that also seems a bit unfair...
stark cloud
@jade dirge at live version?
tranquil mortar
So everyone who has an idea #beta-feedback 
. And Markii, even you get inside it will be nothing.
sterile plinth
@jade dirge Please don't discuss any exploits around here, it's against our server rules 
spark lance
The cost of the pass is different in each country, that also seems a bit unfair...
@hot wyvern the monetary conversion rate is not TGC's fault anymore.. Blame the ForEx system
lunar owl
Even if its still in beta I just dont like how this idea even came into existence as all it does is add another paywall to the game
jade dirge
Sorry!! I will not mention that!😅
latent oar
oof that's only two days until the area open...
sterile plinth
No worries!
spark lance
Do u guys know what’s the next traveler spirit after this one
kindred fossil
looking forward to other TS experiments
silent lily
It's a wannabe ts system :pft:
golden coral
I can't wait to do trials with my friends at live >w<
hot wyvern
I know, but it seems important that this is known before implementing it live...
terse wadi
~~i have invited over 5 friends that loved sky so much they gonna buy the pass if it happend on u i don't think bankruptcy will be a problem
jovial ridge
Do we have to include pics when we report bugs?
sullen relic
you don't have to, trials uber, but sometimes they can help depending on the nature of the bug
tranquil mortar
Depends, some people don't but it's best to include.
sullen oasis
I can't wait for me to see my friends suffer at the trials
jade dirge
I can't wait to do trials with my friends at live >w<
@golden coral
I will yeet them to the water lol
dire reef
my friends are gonna keep bugging me to help them because im the only beta tester in the group lol
sterile plinth
@jovial ridge It's optional, if you have a good description and steps to reproduce the bug - it's not needed
spark lance
I'm really hoping that 1) everyone complaining also posts in #beta-feedback and, 2) that the community moderators and staff are paying attention to this conversation. To those who see this as pointless complaining, this is how people make their voices heard. I've not exactly seen a lot of people who like this idea
I was thinking of waiting a week before I join my friends in the trials. That way me and them would have around the same level of practice on the new area.
Also: Only the Trial of Water would probably be available for the first week or so. The quests won't all be available in the same day. There will be ample wait time for the live players to do each quest.
eager ferry
I'm gonna practise to become a trial uber so I can help others will the trials
cold matrix
What about making part of TS prices in seasonal candles? While season is going i mean
We had quite a lot of them after last season and looks like after this one will have too
And it will give newbies a choice which to grind for
terse wadi
i have a moth adoption center i feel like the trials are gonna see me a lot
golden coral
@golden coral
I will yeet them to the water lol
@jade dirge I wanna yeet them to fire XD, I can't wait to see their reactions
digital dove
Can someone tell me how can i tell if the person using emotes is from beta
tight bloom
I hought I was ready for the trials. But now that they revamped it, I'm actually the one that gonna need help
jade dirge
Imagine holding them and let them go like u do in wasteland flush when ur in the very end of the water trial
mild snow
Can someone tell me how can i tell if the person using emotes is from beta
@digital dove whether theyre from beta or live, they still shouldnt be using beta-exclusive emotes in live.
hope i didnt misunderstand your question haha
spark lance
Imagine holding them and let them go like u do in wasteland flush when ur in the very end of the water trial
@jade dirge why would you let them go in the middle of wasteland? that's trolling
sterile plinth
@eager ferry I personally feel like Ubers for Trials are a bit unnecessary since, as we've all seen and experienced them ourselves, it's better to let the person figure them out on their own instead of handholding them through it because otherwise there's no point going through them whatsoever, it's not a challenge really
spark lance
i have a moth adoption center i feel like the trials are gonna see me a lot
@terse wadi moth adoption center is excellent. Thanks for making me smile right before leaving for work. I needed it
eager ferry
@sterile plinth I meant for Live I'm not a beta–tester (...yet... )
stiff dagger
moth adoption center are probably the purest words ive ever seen
median karma
the best feeling I've ever had is watching my moth friends have their first TS purchase and being touched as a veteran
sterile plinth
Especially for Live, Kom
jade dirge
@jade dirge why would you let them go in the middle of wasteland? that's trolling
@spark lance
Nono i mean to let them go in the flush the big whirpoool in social area, i think its harmless right???😬
clear cargo
Anyone here who loves the new music sheet? (I really love it! )🤔
latent oar
Fyi there are people made spirits appeared by not-to-discuss way in live version, and people who joined their server claimed those emotes @mild snow
terse wadi
thank u thank u
thats what my friends already call me cause I regularly adopt moths on almost a daily basis
silent lily
Why aren't they revamping the earth prophet's cape.... Even after so much feedback 🥺
eager ferry
Oh.
spark lance
Nono i mean to let them go in the flush the big whirpoool in social area, i think its harmless right???😬
@jade dirge oh yeah
Well anyway if either of you is touched by toxic water at the water trial, you respawn no longer holding hands.
I can imagine it'll be difficult to keep hands held together during the trials.
tranquil mortar
warp
golden coral
I meant that like some players are using new season emotes in live
Can someone tell me how they look like so i can also report them
@digital dove wiping shoulders, handstand (there's a difference with the valley's handstand emote), hitting their chest, and breath in-breath out
little hound
Moth: offer hold
Me: gulps
jade dirge
I swear if thats even possible, tgc became clowns> warp
@tranquil mortar
digital dove
@golden coral can u send each emote in #beta-screenshots-videos
dire reef
next update: disable warp in trials
(also has piggy rocket been patched yet? i can imagine people using it for earth trial )
terse wadi
Moth: offer hold
Me: gulps
@little hound
oya it's kidnap a moth or get kidnapped by a moth out there-
mild snow
I meant that like some players are using new season emotes in live
Can someone tell me how they look like so i can also report them
@digital dove ah it might be easier to check out youtube, theres a handstand emote, chest thump, deep breathing one and shoulder brushing one.
if you need to report them, light them up then report! the report button is on the right side of the tree
@latent oar yea theyre h**kers. :\ They should be reported haha. wait HOLD UP. like fake spirits? damnnn
tranquil mortar
Markii, you can warp to your friends in trials. It's kinda like cheating but. Drago if you see this ty
spark lance
Why aren't they revamping the earth prophet's cape.... Even after so much feedback 🥺
@silent lily who knows? We don't know what the cosmetics will look like in live yet. We'll find out on Monday I suppose.
fingers crossed the Earth prophet cape will look more Earth-y than it does now
silent lily
🤞🌏
little hound
@spark lance wow the weasel mask looks so good underneath the witch hat.
sullen relic
isn't that just basically ktjn's pfp?
mild snow
isn't that just basically ktjn's pfp?
but halloween vers eheeh
silent lily
It's not her pfp , its her
tranquil mortar
I'm off to study, happy discussion everyone! 
placid linden
who knows? We don't know what the cosmetics will look like in live yet. We'll find out on Monday I suppose.
fingers crossed the Earth prophet cape will look more Earth-y than it does now
@spark lance It won’t be any different from beta. Live has received the patch for season of prophecy, this means everything in the beta will make it to live as per current state.
little hound
LOL guys the toilet krill gave me a heart attack. It was my first time meeting him days ago. I was like, why is there so much water in this bathroom, is it a bug? But then after burning the plant, WHEEZES the toilet krill appeared from the toilet bowl like WHAT
sullen relic
^moral of the story: keep your toilets clean 
silent lily
I imagine what the toilet krill is made of 
little hound
Also, another moral of the story:
where there’s water, there’re krills
sullen relic
"Trial of Water"
Oh no 
latent oar
OOF
spark lance
isn't that just basically ktjn's pfp?
@sullen relic I'm pretty sure ktjn is a real krill with a weasel mask on, pretending to be a human so they can work in TGC, and use a pfp of a krill with a weasel mask on
dim tapir
yes the new pfp was ktjn's face reveal
sullen relic
we could so use that face as another style emote
latent oar
behave yourself or...
little hound
Ssssh maybe ktjn is still asneep.
spark lance
It won’t be any different from beta. Live has received the patch for season of prophecy, this means everything in the beta will make it to live as per current state.
@placid linden what about the thrillseeker pants? didn't it have the shirt tucked in in beta? but in live, it was a full body suit
merry pawn
Wow new rule on TS 👉👈 i think it’s fair for me
sullen relic
oh, in the event anyone hasn't done their live runs for the day: the sanctuary invisibility bug made it to live, so plan your runs accordingly in that area
goodbye for a while cave plant 
placid linden
I can’t speak of past seasons as this is my first beta. People are already reporting invisible friend bug in sanctuary and we know this was one of the latest bugs in beta.
terse wadi
oh, in the event anyone hasn't done their live runs for the day: the sanctuary invisibility bug made it to live, so plan your runs accordingly in that area
goodbye for a while cave plant
@sullen relic
very creepy seeing honks but not the one honking
spark lance
we could so use that face as another
@sullen relic
silent lily
Ahh, the shirt tucked was cuter :')
little hound
Still hoping they would make the witch hat a separate cosmetic soon.
Forest elder + witch hat would be my ultimate dream look
bitter scroll
@sullen relic
@spark lance what id we added legs 👀
🦵🦵
sand dawn
Oh gee.. really? Sanctuary invisible bug made it to live pffff
silent lily
Until then you can try enchantment wizard hat with 
spark lance
🦵🦵
@bitter scroll
🦿 🦿 🦿
little hound
I was still a moth when enchantment happened I
lyric wadi
It's amusing as well as disturbing when people r underestimating the power of free ts cosmetics in keeping players hooked...
bitter scroll
🦵🦵
and here we have one of the most cursed images of 2020
spark lance
what if they dress up the 4 krills at the office with elder hairs on the actual day of halloween?
or one of the krills dresses up as ktjn with krill mask
silent lily
Oh wait @little hound
I just remembered , both are hairstyles so we can't wear them together lolol
sand dawn
Enchantment wizard hat is the same slot as hair
digital sun
🦵 🦵
terse wadi
I was still a moth when enchantment happened I
@little hound
same. didn't know there were free items above the tree so I didn't give much effort. Now I'll make sure I'll get the enchantment capes when their TS comes
little hound
sullen relic
good thing none of us in here right now work at TGC, or we'd probably make a "Season of Memes" and it'd be the most cursed season ever
agile cape
I do not agree with the dev's decision to change
lethal zinc
Yoooo you won’t be able to buy everything on TS unless you have AP awesome!!
bitter scroll
💪 💪
🦵🦵
dim tapir
i know the topic moved on but boon's new pfp is too cute
sand dawn
The only hat you can currently combine with hair is the anniversary hat
spark lance
the 💨 is the krillfart monsters in fire trial
💨
🦵 🦵
golden coral
Krillfart go stomp stomp
little hound
@sand dawn if they can do it with the anniversary, they can also do it with the witch hat and enchantment magician hat
spark lance
💪
🦵🦵
@bitter scroll it keeps getting better
agile cape
Even as a pass buyer, I need to be frank: don't add features that no one asks for, you are clearly offering a feature that will make it difficult for free players. They can't buy a pass whether you have this extra feature or not, so you basically don't earn anything, dev
weary scarab
worse is having to buy the advance pass to have the items between seasons
tight bloom
and not knowing which TS gonna come anyway
dim tapir
i don't know who called them krill farts for the first time but once i find them
spark lance
worse is having to buy the advance pass to have the items between seasons
@weary scarab the advance pass also give you 10 extra seasonal candles and access to all items when the season hits live, so if you decide to buy it anyway, you still win
sullen relic
search history indicates that the first reference to "krill farts" was last year
edit: wait, did we actually have meme seasons?? i wasn't around for those 
little hound
YES I LOVE THIS BUNCH
i love it when you guys call them krill farts
agile cape
If there is a season I don't like, I still have to buy a pass just to get items from TS and I don't even know what it will bring.
vast mortar
good thing none of us in here right now work at TGC, or we'd probably make a "Season of Memes" and it'd be the most cursed season ever
@sullen relic
Didin't we have sky meme seasons before? Season of tables, stairs- those would get in first
bitter scroll
those few days before sanc opened can be counted as season of intense table tricks
@sour kelp fire trial has a strange gravitational force that attracts krill farts
stark wadi
please allow people share pass before season if TGC really apply the new rule for TS, which required pass for some items.
sour kelp
fire trial said 👁️☁️☁️☁️💨
vast mortar
Everyone, instead of complaining here/suggesting if the system is gonna change, you can submit feedback to #beta-feedback and share your opinions.
(+ they would be read more likely instead of this chat.)
spark lance
@stark wadi omg leaf I thought you were a new bot
digital sun
i better continue doing my hw
weary scarab
@weary scarab the advance pass also give you 10 extra seasonal candles and access to all items when the season hits live, so if you decide to buy it anyway, you still win
@spark lance my currency is the real (R $). the advance pass costs me 40R $, some extra candles don't justify that
spice mason
... gonna be honest I strongly dislike the idea of locking travelling spirit items behind adventure passes.
agile cape
And this change is not good at all, I love this game because it was the first game I knew how to close the gap between free and paid players. Now it's branching in a really bad direction
bitter scroll
fire prophet reminds me of that one guy from mulan 👀 forget his name tho hh
latent oar
Nothing bad to discuss and share our opinions, just be polite and respectful (flashbacks wars in last few hours)
spark lance
You can't exactly demand for a diamond ring without having to mine and cut the said diamond. In the real world, everything comes with a price.
Remember people, as wholesome as Sky is, TGC is still a private business. They have shareholders they need to please constantly, an ever-growing market of customers and players from different demographics to serve, bills to pay, and employees to pay with families to feed.
They're already doing their best to keep us satisfied. The least we can do is appreciate all they've done for us amidst this pandemic.
slender python
i just want the gift pass can be work with travel spirits 😭
terse wadi
did someone already do beta feedback for just AP holder discount on TS?
fallen anchor
Brown earth prophet's cape and cyan air prophet's cape is all I need! Please help me so they can notice it on #beta-feedback .
gilded parrotBOT
What's all this ruckus about!? 
little hound
I’m not a veteran, but imagine if I we were in their shoes.
We wouldn’t feel special anymore because even the new players can have the same outfits as they did in a much shorter amount of time. So like basically, everyone else can look like a veteran now. 
sullen relic
can i get a quick confirmation of whether Build 155434 is out for android users yet?
edit: thanks!
lyric wadi
What's all this ruckus about!?
@gilded parrot geez skybot don't u read announcements? And where were u the entire day alosjejndoa
terse wadi
Wait is being a veteran counted on cosmetics? I thought it was skill in ubering and gameplay-
vast mortar
As I sad a while ago, to those who thinks the new system would be unfair/bad (Which i personally think is), instead of talking and complaining about it in this chat that might get a really, really long slow modes due to so many people complaining here, please go to #beta-feedback instead of talking about it here. Give feedback that they will read, not leaving messages in an active chat that is meant for general beta discussion.
(I hope this doesn't count as mini-modding)
weary scarab
You can't exactly demand for a diamond ring without having to mine and cut the said diamond. In the real world, everything comes with a price.
Remember people, as wholesome as Sky is, TGC is still a private business. They have shareholders they need to please constantly, an ever-growing market of customers and players from different demographics to serve, bills to pay, and employees to pay with families to feed.
They're already doing their best to keep us satisfied. The least we can do is appreciate all they've done for us amidst this pandemic.
@spark lance first please the players, then the shareholders. without players there are no shareholders
spice mason
The thing is. The appeal of travelling spirits was .. that. Eventually
With enough time and dedication. Should the spirit come back , youd be able to get their cosmetics without paying actual money. Most players have supported TGC financially so. It's not like it's a matter of... not wanting to support them. Some people just don't have the money to do so even more.
And I'm sick of hearing the "but.. we looked special once " excuse. It feels entitled. Same with the ult gift excuse. A lot veterans don't care. Simply put. In fact I've seen more that don't care than those that do.
stark wadi
I’m not a veteran, but imagine if I we were in their shoes.
We wouldn’t feel special anymore because even the new players can have the same outfits as they did in a much shorter amount of time. So like basically, everyone else can look like a veteran now.
@little hound my nice resolution: add new "nice-looking" item for free as well as "exclusive" item for pass only and use pass to purchase only.
turbid moss
i have a question about the new traveling spirit system in beta updates, what do they mean by adventure pass season restrictions???
sullen relic
"veteran" is a purely subjective thing, red -- personally, i think of it as "when you're no longer cute enough so people don't want to adopt you anymore"
golden coral
Wait is being a veteran counted on cosmetics? I thought it was skill in ubering and gameplay-
@terse wadi imo, veterans are ppl who have played this game for a long time (like 1 year)
clear cargo
Can someone help me with the Trial of Fire im bad at it
agile cape
I have not lost my appreciation, but I also think that this change will not make the situation different because people who cannot buy pass capital cannot buy, they will still be even this has happened or not. Of course I contribute to the game, mostly because of the feeling of wanting to make others happy, in an indirect way. So this opinion, having a negative impact on me, cannot be denied
amber hornet
#beta-feedback of how you feel about this TS system will help more than you think.
tight bloom
Discount or free TS items for AP holder is the best solution at this moment, imo. If you dont want to feel "stress" by grinding then buy the AP. If you're fine with grinding, then you don't have to.
Unless it's not about "reducing stress" but rather about selling AP. Then
(I have given feedback about it too just so ppl know)
wanton niche
Again, i don't actually think locking travelling spirit items behind the Adventure passes..
A lot of people, especially people who can't buy the Passes' would stop playing the game. And a social game would lose players, which is, sucks, to be honest..
Yes people do buy stuff to help TLC and stuff but.. New players do want the old season items, what if they can't pay? Some of the countries' money level are really low, like mine, and it's making it really harder- I don't like that
terse wadi
"veteran" is a purely subjective thing, red -- personally, i think of it as "when you're no longer cute enough so people don't want to adopt you anymore"
@sullen relic
why does that make me sad-
vast mortar
As I sad a while ago, to those who thinks the new system would be unfair/bad (Which i personally think is), instead of talking and complaining about it in this chat that might get a really, really long slow modes due to so many people complaining here, please go to #beta-feedback instead of talking about it here. Give feedback that they will read, not leaving messages in an active chat that is meant for general beta discussion.
(I hope this doesn't count as mini-modding)
Last one I posted get burried within a few seconds, so repost. (hope this isin't spam)
tranquil mortar
Facts
spark lance
I've sent a feedback. As much as the veterans will probably like it, I'm wholeheartedly against the new TS system. Not a lot of people can afford real money to do it, and by no means they are not supporting the devs.
OR. Can we just... divide it into the two system? If you cant afford AP, then you get the expensive candles system in Live. If you have AP, you get it a lot more cheaper.
Edit: whoa, didn't expect some to agree! Off to feedback I go!!
little hound
A friend of mine once told me:
Long ago we used to worship veterans with beautiful cosmetics but now they’re slowly losing their touch. Everyone can look like a veteran now.
spark lance
Hello ive come to see if the chaos is gone
unique olive
but u should also consider that some people simply can’t buy the ap due to various reasons, and traveling spirits are the only way for those players to buy past seasons cosmetics. i do understand why some are really upset about this. i think the discount version of a system change would be the best version : )
lyric wadi
A friend of mine once told me:
Long ago we used to worship veterans with beautiful cosmetics but now they’re slowly losing their touch. Everyone can look like a veteran now.
@little hound I kinda don't agree...for me veterans have been players who can guide through here and there. And as I gain more skill, THATS when the appeal of veterans go coz I also start becoming a veteran...
terse wadi
hello im a bit boomer on discord do I just send a message on the beta feedback channel? how does it work? thank you!
astral cape
Question: what are the wedges on cobweb cape supposed to be?
idk what that means
vivid saddle
Good morning
wanton niche
I literally needed to buy the AP pack with two of my friends because 3ppl pack is even cheaper. It's hard to buy the adventure pass to yourself where i live.
And I'm really sure that that situation can be even worse in another countries, which, i do not like.
little hound
@lyric wadi so I can call myself a veteran now? 
tropic radish
To me
Veterans don't matter by looks
Veterans matter by their experience
And the term lands on a very blurry spectrum, so it depends on individual perception
Ever since day one
|| I also call people who completed all the main constellations as veterans but, off topic www ||
spark lance
I see that chaos is still here bye
terse wadi
tbh i don't get why we'd have this 'worship veteran' thingy on a game thats supposedly competition free.
lyric wadi
@little hound > @lyric wadi so I can call myself a veteran now?
@little hound ah sorry for late reply..ya know slowmode...
Anyway if you have become an expert (and been playing for atleast 6 months I guess?) and can guide everywhere then yep u can call urself one
vast mortar
@spark lance
I'm a veteran and I want to say that we don't agree to this system nor like it.
Us, veteran's only wish is ultimate rewards (which we pay AND work hard for), not TS cosmetics. Honestly, it's really unfair for those whom can't pay beaucse of their country economy.
As I sad a while ago, to those who thinks the new system would be unfair/bad (Which i personally think is), instead of talking and complaining about it in this chat that might get a really, really long slow modes due to so many people complaining here, please go to #beta-feedback instead of talking about it here. Give feedback that they will read, not leaving messages in an active chat that is meant for general beta discussion.
(I hope this doesn't count as mini-modding)
frank raptor
As discussion continues, it's good to keep in mind to not generalize people. Not all new players are greedy and mean to ts they don't want; not all veterans want to feel "special" with exclusive cosmetics; not all people who are against the system being tested in beta are unsupportive; not all people who defend the potential new system are "kiss-butts" (lol sorry cannot say original word)
spark lance
Don't worry Claws, you're right. I just want to share my thoughts about it and see if anyone agrees. I am writing a new feedback as I typed this reply.
lyric wadi
I've sent a feedback. As much as the veterans will probably like it, I'm wholeheartedly against the new TS system. Not a lot of people can afford real money to do it, and by no means they are not supporting the devs.
OR. Can we just... divide it into the two system? If you cant afford AP, then you get the expensive candles system in Live. If you have AP, you get it a lot more cheaper.
Edit: whoa, didn't expect some to agree! Off to feedback I go!!
@spark lance omg I like your answer so much. It kinda sums up most of what many have been trying to say in multiple long emssages and speeches
wanton niche
This situation just gives me headaches... I'm afraid that a lot of people going to leave the game because it's getting harder and harder to get items.
I don't really know.
tranquil mortar
Yep, we all are people some of us just started playing more earlier, that doesn't change us. I still think people shouldn't get mad for TS' that came back just because "veteran stuff" like let everyone have something.!
little hound
At least the only thing that I can get from this discussion is that I can call myself a veteran now, skill and knowledge wise
tropic radish
The tldr would be : "Discount for AP owners", yes ?
spice mason
A discount makes sense tbh. Not. .. a paywall
mental otter
it's been nearly 12 hours since the announcement, how we doing
frank raptor
veteran (noun: a person who has had long experience in a field)
zenith root
the chaos continues
slender python
really confused and nervous 😦 i just love all of TS but now really hard
hexed mica
what new ts system
tranquil mortar
I'm still moth by heart .
vital sentinel
Funny story, i just tp-ed to my friend in live and turns out they are chilling in prophecy cave-
I was like wot and get out as fast as i can lmao-
gilded parrotBOT
the prophecy cycle starts again...
grand swift
Ah the topic is still here, it's been 8 hrs ahhaha
rocky peak
👁️👁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️💨
frank raptor
meganos i was looking for u in gen chat , find ya here
wanton niche
Long story short people doesn't like this new system.
rocky swallow
Funny story, i just tp-ed to my friend in live and turns out they are chilling in prophecy cave-
I was like wot and get out as fast as i can lmao-
@vital sentinel oop same thing happened to me
hexed mica
Oh, so basically we have to have the pass to get ts items. What a dumb change, I hope it doesnt go live soon
tranquil mortar
Feed back!
vital sentinel
@wanton niche i like your homestucksona pfp
lilac nimbus
Really hope this update on TS system won't come live, because:
- players have two main resources, which they can invest in the game - money &time. some do both, some has only one of them, and it's important to maintain the fragile balance this game obtained. because right now this update looks like a way to gain more money and shuts the opportunities for those currently struggling financially or simply underage and depending on parents (huge part of those not at all happy about spending their money on pixels, and yeah, lots of them see it this way).
- I do buy passes, and I don't see how is it unfair to those who previously bought it, cause we still have an advantage of obtaining all the stuff earlier than non-buyers + ultimates, that are unreachable for them as of now. we don't need to wait and grind afterwards, hoping that this Thursday TS of our dreams will definitely show up. That still makes AP money-worth, leaving game not centered on your wallet.
- players who can allow themselves to buy things in-game already have their unique items, those coming with events packs. no one can get those for free. they even partially have their own area (partially, cause yeah, they can help others to get in, but anyway only a cape-owners have a full-time and whenever-they-want access in).
What im trying to say here is that there's already enough stuff for money-investment only, which allows players to stand out, yet AP system forms a core of this game, being more mainstream in a gud way, and letting players have a bit more options here in conjoint with original TS system. If you wanna add some additional fairness to it - just make a discount in game currency price of items for those who buys the pass, as been already mentioned here. So far, this seems to be the best solution.
ps. I'm not looking for any disputes, nor wanna hurt anyone's feelings. Just sharing my opinion. So, have a gud time and take care, y'all ✨
spark lance
Yall still talking about thr ts while im here sitting with my new table
near mason
I just want to make sure that I understood this right but what’s being tested is that we have to own an adventure pass to unlock the TS items?
vast mortar
As a veteran as I said before, most of us (nearly 90%+) don't have issues with "newer players gaining 'our' items", I like the old TS system, which is fair. The pay-wall is unfair, for both newer players and players who couldn't afford a pass months ago.
Not only that, note that for a few days nor a pass nor a pre-order is avaible, which would,,, how would TS work if they came during a empty period?
--
Anyways, sending feedback in #beta-feedback is much more helpful (and saves us from this slowmode hell and protects from a longer one) 
mental otter
long story short, everyone has opinions on this matter, and not everyone agrees with the system, not everyone disagrees as well
spark lance
Voice your thoughts in feedbacks, everyone!
I know the devs will listen, so let's share our thoughts with them.
tight bloom
I still don't understand the "people are stress" reason though. They can just buy candles? So why punish players who like grinding for stuff and dont have real money for AP?
latent oar
@near mason TS items that used to be pass exclusive
grand swift
And the rock still can't be found
frank raptor
@/saudade i agree completely, you should take this to #beta-feedback
slate sable
I just want to make sure that I understood this right but what’s being tested is that we have to own an adventure pass to unlock the TS items?
@near mason Items from TS that has Adventure pass icon
rocky peak
TS:Must have AP for some items
Everyone:Time to end this whole new system’s career, hold your winged light everyone
tranquil mortar
Saudade. , Go to feed back please.!
vital sentinel
Wait where i can read about the ts update system thing?
Also what ts? Ts from previous seasons? Like Rhythm and such?
gilded parrotBOT
the traveler ||hides beyond the trees||
spark lance
Man i love the ult reward for this season because the mask looks like a anime protagonist
past niche
It completely defeats the purpose of the TS if its going to be reliant on iap(of the season pass)
eager coral
would be helpful to check #beta-announcements before asking here
little hound
at the end of the day, this is still experimental AND might not push through if you input your comments and suggestions in #beta-feedback
tropic radish
Remember to send feedback everyone
wanton niche
@wanton niche i like your homestucksona pfp
@vital sentinel lol tysm she is my trollsona :>!!
vast mortar
As I sad a while ago, to those who thinks the new system would be unfair/bad (Which i personally think is), instead of talking and complaining about it in this chat that might get a really, really long slow modes due to so many people complaining here, please go to #beta-feedback instead of talking about it here. Give feedback that they will read, not leaving messages in an active chat that is meant for general beta discussion.
(I hope this doesn't count as mini-modding/not counts as spam, my apologies.)
slate sable
I just think the new TS system is fair. That's all. It should be done a long time ago.
agile cape
Beta feedback guys
hexed mica
I sent some feedback in #beta-feedback
mental otter
what anita said! read up on the latest #beta-announcements post, sink in the information, then visit this chat to see what other people think of it, and put your opinion in #beta-feedback as recommended
lone orchid
Go go beta feedback
spark lance
Thats it everyone you guys are under arrest
Stop this nonsense
rocky peak
I’m gonna watch you guys scream about the new system Eats popcorn
minor robin
Also I can understand that some may feel that this is an "emergency" of sorts and really disagree with the proposed system and that's fine. But remember to make that beta feedback constructive and not to be rude. someone human has to read that and they listened to player complaints about the grind/prices in the first place and want to make things better.
Just a bump in the road for game improvements
white raven
the items were not free in the first place..maybe tgc shouldn't have let the ts available by candles and hearts in the first place too
mental otter
gentle reminder from mirian, because you all need to see this and sink it in:
Again, let's not react with negative emotes in someone's message guys. Saying why you disagree in your own message is friendlier and more constructive
past niche
i request some popcorn>:( @/ SkyKeroi#0736
spark lance
Alright thats it drags everyone to the gulag
lone orchid
I sent some feedback in #beta-feedback
Me too
rocky swallow
but the ts was implemented so that everyone can have access to previous seasons cosmetics and the new system just feels like.. the opposite of the ts purpose.... bruh
minor falcon
voicing your feelings in beta feedback is important and should take priority but we can still discuss things here in beta gen! even if the discussion has been ongoing for hours, it just shows how important the topic is 
rocky peak
Lurks in Fire trial
vast mortar
voicing your feelings in beta feedback is important and should take priority but we can still discuss things here in beta gen! even if the discussion has been ongoing for hours, it just shows how important the topic is
@minor falcon
I don't really see the purpose of complaining in the chat, some players like me who wants to talk/discuss about seasonal stuff in beta still exist
(+ Please, oh god no, not the long slowmode
thin shell
Ok so what's the heat now
mighty estuary
I hope you all didn't forget to do cr
mental otter
same old same old sana 
lyric wadi
My comment in General Sky Discussion channel should be, I think, a wake up call for everybody...:-
"For a second I was surprised why all of u r talking so nicely without arguing and fighting and being toxic in general and blaming each other continuously, then I realized it was general discussion channel and not beta discussions "
lone orchid
I hope the policy is not introduced
rocky swallow
beta is on fiiiiiire
empty flame
Im no where near a veteran since i only played from the enchanment season but i am more than happy to see newer people get the chance to atleast experience a bit of what was happening during the previous season . For exp the cosmetics itself imo
terse wadi
guys i just sent a feedback message on feedback channel and it appeared andd disappeared is this normal
tight bloom
I, and many others judging by several ppl are typing note, have posted feedbacks. But we are still allowed to talk about it here right? That's why it's called discussion.
spark lance
Man i love the salt here
hollow jay
Hey but it's good news for current AP holders!
It means that ap holders wouldn't need as much efforts of grinding for candles.
I think maybe two systems can co-exist? Free-to-play players can continue to grind as before and AP buyers can use money to buy time.
little hound
also, to the person who said that this game isn’t about competition, I beg to differ.
Competition is the only thing that drives me. Their post made me feel bad about my ridiculous admiration towards the fossil players Wouldn’t it be nice to look up to someone.
rocky peak
The whole channel here is like spongebob’s brain on fire, if you know what I mean
past niche
discussing about our views on this new update can help broaden our perspectives before putting our feedback into beta feedback and that allows us to have a more developed opinion on reasons to disagree with the policies(??) my language skills are non-existent
minor robin
Tbh I am going to marinate more on the proposed update before sending in feedback. I think there are also other areas that could be improved /streamlined as well. Like candle running itself. I'd like it if some small patches of candles were taken out of the usual route and added to biggers ones. (like the constellation gate in prairie caves. Relocate those candles in there) and places like birds nest /citadel could be pre lit for even more streamlining
Prairie to wasteland takes 1. 5-ish hours for me daily. If it took 1hr that'd be nice.
mental otter
when you send your feedback, your message gets deleted and skybot will let you know that your feedback has been sent. if it doesn't happen, then you have to resend it again
thin shell
I'm fine with it if current pass holders can buy cosmetics from TS for like 60% off or for free, and non-pass holders can still buy them for the regular cost.
This is my idea that everyone can agree on, just ping me if you have something to say
vast mortar
C'mon beta-kids, let's yeet all our opinion into feedback channels and act before it's too late and in live!
@hollow jay As a pass-holder, it shouldn't honestly. It's unfair that you can skip time just beaucse you have money
frank raptor
Personally, Sky does have competition, but it is more about making friends and appreciating graphics rather than competing with other players to get more cosmetics or to look cooler in any way. I too, look up to other skykids but not because of their cosmetic count but rather their compassion and helpfulness toward other players.
quartz heart
Hey but it's good news for current AP holders!
It means that ap holders wouldn't need as much efforts of grinding for candles.
I think maybe two systems can co-exist? Free-to-play players can continue to grind as before and AP buyers can use money to buy time.
@hollow jay
The problem is that you can't buy the AP with friends because the TS between two seasons will be available only for the person who bought the AP
In other words, it will make sense only if you can give the AP to your friends before the season starts T^T
tardy marsh
NOOOOOOOO
vast mortar
I'm fine with it if current pass holders can buy cosmetics from TS for like 60% off or for free, and non-pass holders can still buy them for the regular cost.
This is my idea that everyone can agree on, just ping me if you have something to say
I don't think so, beaucse we (pass holders) still had to farm atleast 3-4 days to get capes/etc. we didin't get it for free after buying the pass for season @thin shell
hollow jay
Yes Avery that's why I sent in feedbark about pre-ordering gift passes
lone orchid
Despite these protests, I look forward to leaving when many users, including me, are introduced. I want the company to realize this
terse wadi
also, to the person who said that this game isn’t about competition, I beg to differ.
Competition is the only thing that drives me. Their post made me feel bad about my ridiculous admiration towards the fossil players
@little hound
Hi! I think its my reply. Sorry if I made you feel that way. Sky looked competition free to me that's why I said so. Plus, I do admire the veteran players in sky too.
forest delta
I just sent a feedback
This is my first time sending one uuuuuu
spark lance
Ok you all are going to R E V R S E U P S I D E D O W N E D E N
thin shell
I don't think so, beaucse we (pass holders) still had to farm atleast 3-4 days to get capes/etc. we didin't get it for free after buying the pass for season
@vast mortar The cosmetic itself is free though, you'll only farm for those nodes connected to it, which is cheap
desert mango
I think the game as a candle run everyday is amazing ..., its like a journey where you have fun and meet new people... Every day candle run is different .. I cant help but love it ... As for ts ... I want candle running to still be a big part of sky life ... I also think the system is a good idea ...but i think candle running should stay as the reason for playing .,, its a game after all... The ones too lazy to grind or aint got time.. Then this game really aint the game for you ,. I dont see why a game that it loved for the way it is should have such a dramastic change ecause of people who moan about the grind .,, this is my opinion and sorry if u dont agree..., i want the new system but with candle running being compulsory
gilded parrotBOT
the traveler ||wanders through misty groves to find a valley where the river lies||
zenith root
i sent in my feedback, and yall should do that too! let them know how you feel
pliant pine
Sorry, I don't really understand even after reading it several times. Does it mean i can't get some stuff from previous ts without adventure pass??
odd field
@hollow jay
The problem is that you can't buy the AP with friends because the TS between two seasons will be available only for the person who bought the AP
In other words, it will make sense only if you can give the AP to your friends before the season starts T^T
@quartz heart
exactly what i was thinking about as soon as recent updates come out
terse wadi
I've sent my feedback so I will now yeet out and study!
See yall skykids! ✨✨✨
vast mortar
As I sad a while ago, to those who thinks the new system would be unfair/bad (Which i personally think is), instead of talking and complaining about it in this chat that might get a really, really long slow modes due to so many people complaining here, please go to #beta-feedback instead of talking about it here. Give feedback that they will read, not leaving messages in an active chat that is meant for general beta discussion.
(I hope this doesn't count as mini-modding/not counts as spam, my apologies.)
I shall now vanish to study japanese and do my candle run for the day.
rocky swallow
isnt it sad if tgc implements the new ts system in game, and someone gets sad bc their dream item is pass only and u wanna tell them that it's ok because the ts will come later, but then you remember that.. traveling spirits require pass too
thin shell
We should also talk about it here so we can discuss new possible outcomes on the idea
candid nebula
isnt discussion about the topic okay though?
past niche
it is
wet jackal
the game is about competition yes but that doesn't mean everything should be with money. there is a fine line between being motivated by competition, and being overwhelmed because of something you can't control, and that is if you have money or not
forest delta
Wait so all ts will be affected right?
It means one of my favorite seasonal cape will be AP locked
spark lance
Really hope this update on TS system won't come live, because:
- players have two main resources, which they can invest in the game - money &time. some do both, some has only one of them, and it's important to maintain the fragile balance this game obtained. because right now this update looks like a way to gain more money and shuts the opportunities for those currently struggling financially or simply underage and depending on parents (huge part of those not at all happy about spending their money on pixels, and yeah, lots of them see it this way).
- I do buy passes, and I don't see how is it unfair to those who previously bought it, cause we still have an advantage of obtaining all the stuff earlier than non-buyers + ultimates, that are unreachable for them as of now. we don't need to wait and grind afterwards, hoping that this Thursday TS of our dreams will definitely show up. That still makes AP money-worth, leaving game not centered on your wallet.
- players who can allow themselves to buy things in-game already have their unique items, those coming with events packs. no one can get those for free. they even partially have their own area (partially, cause yeah, they can help others to get in, but anyway only a cape-owners have a full-time and whenever-they-want access in).
What im trying to say here is that there's already enough stuff for money-investment only, which allows players to stand out, yet AP system forms a core of this game, being more mainstream in a gud way, and letting players have a bit more options here in conjoint with original TS system. If you wanna add some additional fairness to it - just make a discount in game currency price of items for those who buys the pass, as been already mentioned here. So far, this seems to be the best solution.
ps. I'm not looking for any disputes, nor wanna hurt anyone's feelings. Just sharing my opinion. So, have a gud time and take care, y'all ✨
@lilac nimbus I agree!!
frank raptor
really quoted a whole essay to say i agree
eager coral
please dont quote such huge walls of text
quartz heart
Sorry, I don't really understand even after reading it several times. Does it mean i can't get some stuff from previous ts without adventure pass??
@pliant pine
Yup, you will be able to buy the stuffs that were aviable with the AP, only if you have the currency AP... :(
pliant pine
Noooo
spark lance
My man is a chad
I promote you
vast mortar
@thin shell @candid nebula
But there are still players who just wants to discuss about the beta season and not only complain about the system, and the slow mode will be unbearable due to people starting to get slightly agressive about it.
lone orchid
Why are those who agree to this policy updated? Is the company a good reason?
tight bloom
Why can't we discuss it here? Why is it only on feedback? Many have send feedbacks but still want to talk about it. And it is allowed!
odd field
oh my lord
placid inlet
Just gonna throw this in, I don’t know about others but to be completely honest, I probably wouldn’t just poof from the game if they really implement it as they are now. But for sure I would spend less time and feel less incentive to grind/play. Because the only point of cr left is getting elder hair XD
rocky swallow
tgc already got LOTS of profit from in app purchases. give f2p players a chance too!
candid nebula
i dont think any of us are being aggressive though, just sharing our opinions and thinking of ways to send feedback :( but i understand what youre saying
rustic hearth
I hope tomorrow this chaos is gone gone.
thin shell
I hope tomorrow this chaos is gone gone.
@rustic hearth it wont be
eager ferry
hey guys wouldn’t it be cool if sky added cheese to beta
desert mango
Here is to discuss it lol .. Thats what its for .. To get eachothers opinions on our opinions... It really does help to talk it out
frank raptor
hey guys wouldn’t it be cool if sky added cheese to beta
@eager ferry feta
wet jackal
some of us might come across as agressive, because for me I am genuinely angry but we are not starting a fight here, we are just discussing what we don't like
minor robin
Please don't quote huge essays like that, it can get spammy and discussion IS welcome here. Yes it's good to point people to beta-feedback but I'd also caution people's tone. It can come off as a "go away/be quiet". If the topic isn't enjoyable I really encourage people to take a break from this channel. Some people are just joining in and have fresh eyes/perspective and just want to chat about it because it's such a controversial issue
vast mortar
i dont think any of us are being aggressive though, just sharing our opinions and thinking of ways to send feedback :( but i understand what youre saying
@candid nebula I'm not saying it is being, but it will be. Many of when these chat heating happen, people start sounding like "This is my opinion, (rude thing) :3 ❤️"
(Just saying don't write walls of text here to share opinions about it)
fiery sun
this may be a chaos but this is where we discuss things and listen to others' opinions so
spark lance
Man
Horse
sturdy anvil
At this point most of us are too tired to discuss, we have the day's stamina before and made our points. if you think this TS system is problematic for you, tell it in the feedback as well
ornate trench
eager coral
now there's more discussion about discussing instead of giving opinions 
spark lance
So, what do you guys think is the best solution to this? I think discount will be the best outcome, as it gives AP owners privileges while not gatekeeping F2P at the same time.
lyric wadi
This message is gonna get lost in the chaos happening here anyway so why not just push in this non-sky related thing which is against the rules:-
Water
dire dove
There are still people just reading the update tho. Pls let me discuss
lone orchid
We must file a complaint in the feedback room
wet jackal
We must file a complaint in the feedback room
@lone orchid we did
fiery sun
maybe discount for AP holders and normal prices for those who play for free
spark lance
So you guys think that the fire trial is still kindda hard
sturdy anvil
Imma wait till this system hits live to savor the chaos in genchat muhahahah
spark lance
I think as beta testers almost all of us know to submit feedback, but sometimes it’s best to here from others about how sound and valid your feedback can be. This community has helped me a lot with considering feedback on the wind trial by showing that not all players are slow like me. So discussing really helps
hazy silo
I think it would be easier for a system in which, the players who buy the adventure pass, have a part of the items of the traveler free, and those who did not, would have to pay normally the proposed price
I think that this way there would not be so much discussion, those who buy the adventure pass would have the advantage as it always was, and whoever did not have the adventure pass, would have to buy with their own effort
( My opinion)
minor falcon
the proposed ts overhaul is a change that could have a huge impact on how we approach the game so it's important that we not only voice our opinion in beta feedback but develop and discuss alternatives here in beta gen chat! a lot of season talk will move to the seasonal chat and live gen once the season starts
lone orchid
@lone orchid we did
I am really sad that something like this happened
lyric wadi
maybe discount for AP holders and normal prices for those who play for free
@fiery sun or maybe let normal people grind while pass holders get it for free. The whole oroblem is coz many can't afford to buy either coz they depend on parents or coz their allowance isn't that much. Halloween alone costs about USD 50.
spark lance
Trying to change this chat topic is like trying to drown a fish
little hound
**please do not quote long posts **
sturdy anvil
Trying to change this chat topic is like trying to drown a fish
@spark lance fish can drown tho if water is too polluted
frank raptor
people: please do not quote long posts
other people: haha agree go brrrr
fiery sun
why for free? do ap holders get the seasonal items for free? no. they grind for seasonal candles. it'll be unfair if they get it for free. it's kinda like a "pay to play" so a discount would be much more fair than getting it for free
jagged marsh
||humans are taller than skykids||
covert hollow
Whatever it is, the paywall has got to go XD
hazy silo
My opinion👀
desert mango
I think we all agree that candle running is a important and the reason why we play . and most of us love candle runs and would be very upset if we lost that concept ..
When it hits reset we are all so excited for everything to be ready for us to get again ..
I could candle run for eternity and still love it ... But that's me im that kind of person
lyric wadi
why for free? do ap holders get the seasonal items for free? no. it'll be unfair. it's kinda like a "pay to play" so a discount would be much more fair than getting it for free
@fiery sun ah sorry wrong wording. My main point was to let free people grind. Other...I can't really say. Coz it will also be unfair if they have to pay for something which they already paid during the season.
silent lily
Lol yesterday when I saw the ts needed pass I thought it was a bug , and oh boy was I wrong
sturdy anvil
I don't really care what they do to the prices for ap purchasers free or discount I just want my cosmetics as f2p.
spark lance
@spark lance fish can drown tho if water is too polluted
sighs changing this chat topic is like trying to move a giant house with a hand
candid nebula
or, they could just make the prices cheaper for pass holders and keep the normal price for non-pass holders?
fiery sun
that's what i said
maybe a 20-30% discount?
spark lance
I am a paid AP player, and I do hope that TGC doesn’t make AP player get things for free. That would ruin my gaming experience since I now have nothing to do but go on the game for 15’ to get some seasonal candles. I also wouldn’t want discount, that takes away the motivation for farming. I hope TGC will deliver the best gaming experiences for all players. These are just my experiences
astral cape
I think we're going in circles
stiff dagger
since the free players complain about having to grind, i think anything related to ts and is behind a paywall is pointless
tbh i think the best solution to this problem is double candle cake event before ts
sturdy anvil
@spark lance you can always vibe in the oobs with someone you love being with. Also play and learn. And just chill in the realms.music Actually if I was ap player I would do that if things were free ahaha
lyric wadi
sighs changing this chat topic is like trying to move a giant house with a hand
@spark lance if u r a bigger giant and the giant house is a toy house then u can move it tho
spark lance
Its not boring if you act like a bot with no friends ignoring everything and doing yoir only objective
cries
placid linden
The free players who complain about grind, shouldn’t really. Everything has its price, be it candles or iap, don’t submit to their desires of getting everything without any effort.
tender oasis
Am I the only one who feels we don’t have enough detail from this Ts topic yet? I’d like to make constructive feedbacks which are not based on my assumptions about how the system will really work, but how they imagined it. Hopefully we will see more when the next ts comes.
covert hollow
My frnd said so as well
The announcement even said "to reduce the grindy feeling"
Have a double candle event and everyone will be happy
except the salty past pass buyers who dont want anyone else to get anything gd
placid inlet
The truth is...personally, I think candle running is the strongest driving factor for people to come online and spend time. There are a limited amount of time you can spend on oob and music playing, or with friends (if you have friends, that is). Without the need to candle run a lot of people will have nothing to do/work towards for XD
Idk for everyone else, at least for me I have seen nearly every oob, learnt a lot of songs, is a happy solo player, so no candles to grind for = nothing to do for me
lyric wadi
The reason for making ts pass-only, as the announcement said, is "people cry about candle grinding, so u pay money and get it." I mean the better thing in this case would have been to buy candle packs if this was really the reason behind the announcement. So it makes me feel the reason stated wasn't really fact...
spark lance
Guys listen
How about
TRIPLE CANDLE CAKE EVENT
Imagine double wax event tho
quadruple candle and hearts event
stiff dagger
i also heard that devs did this bc they were sad about the spirits getting dissed by players who want rhythm and rhythm only, and it sounds really sad bruh
edit: oh god double wax imagine 40 candles a day
edit: people need to chill about rhythm the demon mask is so cute?????????
placid linden
The people who complain about having to do cr and gather candles are the same people who will quit playing after they get the cosmetics they wanted. Let that sink in.
tired fox
Or this might just be an excuse to push more people to buy passes lmao (which is incredibly not cool)
spark lance
160k Psychic Pirate Pranks (it’s hard to not ping some people lol) I don’t really enjoy OOB, or music, or anything more than candle running. I’m obsessed with purpose, so I need a goal to work towards to. This is just me, so I try to share my experience and let the dev use me as a valid data point for their decisions
covert hollow
Maybe it was an excuse to milk more money out of their playerbase
But i'll give em the benefit of the doubt and say this was another one of their bad decisions
sturdy anvil
Some folks are just a bit too crazy about Rhythm I think like disproportionately as if other Seasons Don't matter at all.I have seen this from the beginning as a moth.
odd field
well well we all know some people are just crazy for rhythm ts so maybe as of now the devs have no choice but yeah
spark lance
Imma be real here since were talking about rhythm ts
i kinda dont like some of the pant
astral cape
AP holders have to pay for the exclusive cosmetics - but because they also cost in-game currency they have to grind more than f2p players 
I see thanks for clarifying pakka
fiery sun
"We have heard the community’s feedback about the stress of grinding for and buying candles to obtain the items from Seasons past" Honestly...isn't the grinding one of the game's main thing to do? No running through realms, no players to meet. No players to meet, no friends. No friends, the game's nothing. I've met a lot of nice friends through candle running. If we need AP to buy seasonal items, no one would candle run as much as before. I mean, if you have work/school, you can balance work and play. If not, then it's okay! The TS will still arrive next time, or you can save your candles for the next TS. If grinding is stressing you out, then stop grinding and take a break. How is people still complaining about this...
hazy silo
People complain about unnecessary things
tender oasis
Uraverage i think the curren ts prices are not reflecting the new system yet.
spark lance
"We have heard the community’s feedback about the stress of grinding for and buying candles to obtain the items from Seasons past" Honestly...isn't the grinding one of the game's main thing to do? No running through realms, no players to meet. No players to meet, no friends. No friends, the game's nothing. I've met a lot of nice friends through candle running. If we need AP to buy seasonal items, no one would candle run as much as before. I mean, if you have work/school, you can balance work and play. If not, then it's okay! The TS will still arrive next time, or you can save your candles for the next TS. If grinding is stressing you out, then stop grinding and take a break. How is people still complaining about this...
@fiery sun
Thank you ❤️❤️❤️
The right thing must be said 👍🏻
I don’t think double currency event before ts is really necessary in the long run. How about the dev make all the candles in the cave of prophecies grant wax? That’s a lot of wax and an exciting farming experience. If you are afraid of trials, just grab the ones in the trial room without entering the trial at all. The point is, the devs have and can continue to make farming more fruitful and more interesting by adding more areas through these seasons. See how amazing Sanctuary Islands is for farming?
kindred belfry
I think the issue with candle runs is it’s repetitive and there’s nothing really adding to the experience besides new seasons
fierce drift
Imo I feel like if the purpose of the game is to go candle running daily (or candle running whenever you can) Over doing it with candle events makes the game feel too easy to obtain things. Personally I like to have a challenge when I'm doing things and also us as beta testers aren't given free candles so I think part of their motive is to keep the user engaged. Giving too many candles is like giving someone an award they don't deserve 😗
tame zinc
I dunt want the beta update add in Live becuz i luv all the comestics
spark lance
Me reading this chat:** B R E A D I N S P A N N I S H**
naive hull
Can someone explain to me the new pass system stuff for the travelling spirit 🥺🙏🏼 what changed please ??
vital sentinel
Tbh, grinding is one of the fun part of this game since i can meet not only new friends but also having lots of fun in the realms. Like, revisiting the elders and ancestors, and find some details that might be important to the world of sky
My favorite one is i can actually guide moths in gw and get them to safety from the krills. I also once saved a player from losing their WLs since they got bad connection and spawned on the ooze
jovial ridge
Can't we just play and not pressured into shopping for nice things that get old soon? :(
placid inlet
It’s also kind of possible to get the ts things without grinding a lot. If you want to buy out the whole thing ofc you gotta grind a bit. But as a person who only cr the mission + candle day realm or not cr at all if I’m busy with irl, I can still get the stuff I want every time. So...it’s not really that grindy imo
spark lance
what is the cape that require pass now
stiff dagger
grinding is only unfun if you don't help anyone along the way
eager coral
i disagree, i find it very relaxing
spark lance
grinding is only unfun if you don't help anyone along the way
Laughs in bot human solo player
tawdry tree
Bruh, live people will get maaaaad
elder hatch
honestly when i previously saw all the replies in the sky instagram (and not just there, but other social media platforms) flaming TCG whenever the TS wasnt from rhythm, i straight up just wished that TCG abolished the entire TS system. theyre already being quite friendly to free players in terms of what they give in the game, yet so many people flame them for TSes not being what they want them to be. it is really bewildering to me
vernal vortex
Now I just afraid that the traveling spirit with popular item will be back only in the preorder period, not during the season
wanton niche
listen people do play extra for the travelling spirits, like me, i literally didn't play the game for almost a week because there were nothing to do and i lost some of my friends too because they left the came.
But after the Travelling spirits, i started to play everday and do stupid, funny stuff with my friends. Locking the Travelling Spirits to the pass would make the game, like, i dont know. A dessert. No one would play the game anyone expect for the seasons
(im glad ppl agrees <3 ;w;)
primal hemlock
candle running gives me something to do whilst i watch youtube videos lol
vale dirge
I FINISHED TRIAL OF FIRE AND I DID IT SOLO WITH NOBODY NOT EVEN A STRANGER Y E S
turbid wraith
Is the ts stuff to do with ap true
spark lance
I FINISHED TRIAL OF FIRE AND I DID IT SOLO WITH NOBODY NOT EVEN A STRANGER Y E S
@vale dirge teach me your ways master jotaro
craggy karma
Im not going to lie
If the TS require AP for all cosmetics
Then i virtually have no use to playing Sky everyday now, i have too many candles
turbid wraith
If its true i might quit
naive hull
Please I don’t understand what they changed (in beta) did they just limit all the cosmetics for people who don’t have the pass? Someone explain 😢
prime surge
Im not going to lie
If the TS require AP for all cosmetics
Then i virtually have no use to playing Sky everyday now, i have too many candles
@craggy karma its for all cosmetics ??? ( i thought only the ones which were already AP during its respective season)
vale dirge
I think you just need to time it like observe the fire thingies and I think you need to sacrifice a bit of time away from the candles to surpass them
fiery sun
If its true i might quit
@turbid wraith it's only in beta, relax
You can send your thoughts about this in #beta-feedback
eager coral
#beta-announcements explains it
spark lance
I think you just need to time it like observe the fire thingies and I think you need to sacrifice a bit of time away from the candles to surpass them
Thank you master jotaro kujo from jojo bizzare adventure part 3,4,5,6
daring hinge
okay i dont like the beta update theyre testing
craggy karma
@craggy karma its for all cosmetics ??? ( i thought only the ones which were already AP during its respective season)
@prime surge i mean, in order to unlock all cosmetics, not all of them XD
wanton niche
Basically if everything is about money now, there is no reason to play sky and do candle runs and spend time with your friends. What's the point??
turbid wraith
If it comes in live i quit** the only thing keeping me going at this point is cosmetics
vernal vortex
Just image piano or fur cape will come back in a inter season period, which you have to pay for a preorder a pass to get it
naive hull
@eager coral I don’t quite understand (i’m french)
acoustic stratus
Just image piano or fur cape will come back in a inter season period, which you have to pay for a preorder a pass to get it
@vernal vortex yeah..it doesn't make sense
mild panther
Did this bugged sanctuary really pass to live build?
rapid sedge
i hope it doesnt come to live
vernal vortex
And I am even more afraid about someone comes up and says it is just a test don’t take it seriously. Honestly I think a quiz for everyone to express opinion is needed before making this change, it hurts a lot.
sturdy anvil
@wanton niche an interesting point you made Sky becoming like a desert if new system is placed.Think how beta is a desert and decide whether you have fun playing lively live or lonely beta where I still haven’t relived 8 player sprirt and vault spirit behind doors.Let that sink in AP players.
acoustic stratus
Basically it just indicate that they are hungry for money😑....ts was the only reason I grind everyday
tame zinc
i hope it doesnt come to live
@rapid sedge you can tell how you feel the beta update in #beta-feedback
mild panther
Bruh WHY
why the bugged sanctuary is now on live before it was even fixed
wanton niche
@wanton niche an interesting point you made Sky becoming like a desert if new system is placed.Think how beta is a desert and decide whether you have fun playing lively live or lonely beta where I still haven’t relived 8 player sprirt and vault spirit behind doors.Let that sink in AP players.
@sturdy anvil and i did try beta when it came to live for couple of days and, there were no one. Literally.
I don't want this to happen to the actual game too because i don't wanna lose my in-game friends
stiff dagger
I wish people didn't post "TS spoilers" from China. Some people will think we will have rhythm and then throw a tantrum when our spirit arrives
Edit: seriously yall the hate that non rhythm spirits get is messed up...i even saw a screenshot of a boat hating on the demon mask spirit that had 800+ likes
turbid wraith
Can i event talk in beta feedback if i dont have beta
naive hull
From what I understand they « understood » some people were bored about farming for travelling spirit, so they just blocked away some cosmetics ?!! where’s the logic
kindred belfry
Maybe if there were mini games to get more candles that would fix it??? I don’t think buying ts will help??
hard temple
I normally don't speak in beta because I'm not a beta player but wouldn't you not have to preorder a new pass if you already had a pass during that season so you don't have to repurchase anything? I just see a lot of people worried about repaying for things and I'm very wary of this new system, I should have clarified
tame zinc
I dont want this happen in Live, i love this game and i dont want to quits it
tiny harbor
Even if thats the case youd still have to pay in the first place
tight bloom
people bored about farming, so they locked the one thing that motivates ppl to farm? make it makes sense.
gray quarry
What did they lock what happened
warm bison
here is a point you guys might not have considered,
if this system passes >less reason to cr/come on daily for nonAP>less time spent on sky>less players/spending time with friends>people with AP will start too feel lonely too
so in one way or another it affects both negatively. Even if it doesn't make sense at first, non-AP playing alot give more reason for AP players to also keep going
Kind of like free promotion to the game
I hope that makes any sense
agile cape
It is important that not everyone is complaining about having to farm to get items from TS so that is not a reasonable reason for this crazy feature.
acoustic stratus
From what I understand they « understood » some people were bored about farming for travelling spirit, so they just blocked away some cosmetics ?!!
@naive hull that just doesn't make any sense...wth is tgc thinking I wonder...they should just do like this if they are thinking like that :
AP holders have to spent less candles on getting the ts things and non AP holders who can't even afford it have to spend more like everyone is doing now.
For example, a pants can be 75 for non AP persons and it can cost 30-40 for those who have AP...but it must be available to everyone to get
spark lance
yesterday, the cave was up in live, but now my friend tells me they got the spirits from prophecy in LIVE and i dont know how, perhaps they added the portal while i was sleeping and the season already started, but is this normal?
stiff dagger
please report anyone who has prophecy emote in live
edit: the season isn't on live yet
desert mango
No one should have emotes in live Report them
naive hull
@stiff dagger whyy omg what happened ?
vernal vortex
I really feels like it will be a great idea to allow people buying those locked things from TS when holding hand with a player who has a AP or preordered a AP
sturdy anvil
How about TGC gives us the option to speed up the game like1.5x,2x so we can do the grinds in less time making us not bored
odd field
ppl with AP should pay less than ppl with no AP when it comes to ts.
its like those with no alternative (AP) should work as hard as ppl who have AP. those who have AP might used up their saving for AP so yeah
acoustic stratus
ppl with AP should pay less than ppl with no AP when it comes to ts.
@odd field yeah...that's what I am suggesting too
zenith root
with this new system, everybody loses eventually
desert mango
Long live candle runs .... Hail king and queens of candles 🤍
gray quarry
Wait, they made it so not everyone can get all cosmetics from TS?
naive hull
They should make farming less boring and give us new ways to get candles not lock things awayyy 😖
spark lance
so peeps that dont have the pass wont get the TS pass only items?????
tiny harbor
Yes, it sucks
mossy glacier
Hi is there still chaos? How long is the cooldown?
Edit: Oh dang it's slowly getting longer
hollow cloak
I think another problem with the AP requirement is that most AP holders are getting a good amount of extra candles after every single season. The cost of the TS matters less to them than a 100% free player, who has to manually grind candles because the conversion of seasonal candles is much less.
To then gate that behind an AP requirement really hurts the free players, because I imagine that many of them don't want to begin spending money on Sky. And paying players don't want to be pestered by their friends over "but what if the loop dance spirit is this week???"
spice mason
Hopefully this mass outcry will .. change something.
grizzled crystal
it's a privilege to even be able to buy the pass in the first place 😔 i struggle
odd field
ppl with AP should pay less than ppl with no AP when it comes to ts.
its like those with no alternative (AP) should work as hard as ppl who have AP. those who have AP might used up their saving for AP or have working schedule but a good tid bit of money to afford AP so yeah
kindred belfry
Maybe have mini games in the form of items and you can make those adventure pass exclusive. Only way to play the minigame is if someone has the item. That way everyone can earn candles during the mini game, but need the adventure pass player to do it
wanton niche
if the update comes to live, I'm sure at least 40% of the players going to leave the game.
tight bloom
I'm hopeful for the discounted price for AP holder idea. That's the best suggestion. I hope TGC will listen.
tiny harbor
Hhhh yeah everyone PLEASE tell TGC to change this in #beta-feedback this is the ONE chance we have because this SUCKS
naive hull
How about TGC gives us the option to speed up the game like1.5x,2x so we can do the grinds in less time making us not bored
@sturdy anvil omgg is that possible
gray quarry
What about if there’s a TS during no season?
spark lance
How about if a certain player has completed that past season's constellation via TS, they have the option to meet the questgiver in Eden and buy an alternate version of the Ultimate gift, for say, 20 - 30 Ascended Candles? That seems fair enough.
Or maybe they must have the current season's AP too, to make it more fair to the veterans who did pay for AP during the live season
It will be difficult and will take a longer time to achieve, but is otherwise doable
pre order
hollow cloak
If you hear nothing else that I say:
Please still be respectful to TGC when you submit your feedback. Even if you disagree with their decision, that is no reason to treat them rudely or be mean.
sturdy anvil
@sturdy anvil omgg is that possible
@naive hull ofc that is possible, even 90s mobile games had this feature
spark lance
Everything is so expensive where I live, there’s no way I’ll be able to buy ever AP that comes along for Ts
warm bison
bitter scroll
Personally, I think ults can start the veterans special thing. But here’s an idea- people with current pass get certain things at a discount, while the rest of us get normally
naive hull
@sturdy anvil how would in work in multiplayer thoo I’m intrigued
spark lance
@sturdy anvil its online game bruh how youll speed time 2x
wanton niche
speed potion/spell
coarse aspen
Or at least like make the candles we earn 2×
sturdy anvil
@sturdy anvil how would in work in multiplayer thoo I’m intrigued
@naive hull > @sturdy anvil its online game bruh how youll speed time 2x
@spark lance
This is forbidden knowledge, but know that it works, and it can be made in game then it will be legal.OFc speed levels can't be too different otherwise server split will occur
spark lance
I think Tgc has a good motive but aren’t executing it well here. I think they should’ve done this when they first decided to bring in Ts to avoid this stuff
eager coral
exactly my thoughts, amber
mild snow
2x speed only works for solo games... or in closed servers like among us.
It might interfere with thr vibes of the games tho, with the BGM and animations
gray quarry
candle runs will keep getting longer and longer the more areas they add with each season. With the way the game is setup it will always be a tiring CR
sour flower
Personally, I think ults can start the veterans special thing. But here’s an idea- people with current pass get certain things at a discount, while the rest of us get normally
@bitter scroll remember to leave ideas on #beta-feedback so that we get the best outcome possible
mossy glacier
Patience in itself is already rewarding if we worked hard for it. They're not "just free"
Afterall, we dont get to choose the TS
Hopefully TS system wont change. I didnt buy a lot of cosmetics in the past since I decided to be persistent instead and grind more (which i now regret, knowing the system would change).
I'm literally disappointed to the people who just tells us that "if you want, go buy". Not everyone is as privileged as someone, not because they have a phone to play Sky.
my current phone is borrowed from my mom and decided to withdraw from my classes since i do not have my own.
hollow cloak
A speed potion would also probably need to include increased pickup range for wax.
Part of the problem with speedrunning in the first place is that you're more likely to miss wax by running juuust out of range because you're going too fast.
Edit: Corey, why else would they have increased the candle costs for TS?
Or shoot, even all of the patches we've had. The rebalancing of Trials. That wouldn't happen if they didn't listen.
They wouldn't even have feedback or bug reports otherwise
tiny harbor
Has TGC listened to the community in the past?
warm bison
corey, the entirety of the TS system was implemented bc TGC listened to the community
spark lance
Yes a lot us are broke students 
naive hull
@hollow cloak if you just go through the candles the wax follows you no matter how fast you go I guess
spark lance
Is the chaos over yet
Bread in spannish
mild snow
The feeling when you have to light every single candle in the realm yourself. 😭 rip speedrun
sturdy anvil
I'm not gonna talk about why Speed of 2x 3x Won't tinker with the game flow even if it's multiplayer as that is forbidden knowledge for this server.But I can give you first hand evidence that speeding works fine and no you don't need bigger range.TGC can defo make it in game thing and legal
mossy glacier
Anyways, while chaos is still on going
Please feel free to have a slice of pizza and hot chocolate ♡
(Dont worry, it's lactose-free)
[ 🍕 ☕ ]
tame zinc
Those who just insult the TS not like they want and TGC dont have any choice and they did it, i feel really bad for TGC for trying thẻir best to improved game i also really sad becuz i want have those beautiful comestics but i need to have money to buy but im too poor
whole helm
This channel is reallllyyyyyy lively today
agile cape
Those who just insult the TS not like they want and TGC dont have any choice and they did it, i feel really bad for TGC for trying thẻir best to improved game i also really sad becuz i want have those beautiful comestics but i need to have money to buy but im too poor
@tame zinc Not everyone who buys a pass is in favor of this, as a pass buyer, I object
sour flower
@tame zinc Not everyone who buys a pass is in favor of this, as a pass buyer, I object
@agile cape same!
mossy glacier
Imagine Beta waves releasing at the same time right now
livid loom
@tame zinc Not everyone who buys a pass is in favor of this, as a pass buyer, I object
@agile cape I agree. As a person who bought the pass I think its very unfair to new players and myself.
spark lance
Those who just insult the TS not like they want and TGC dont have any choice and they did it, i feel really bad for TGC for trying thẻir best to improved game i also really sad becuz i want have those beautiful comestics but i need to have money to buy but im too poor
This.
Those people, they complain too much. Since everything is free, they don't feel grateful, they feel the urge to be mean, they just want what they want, but do they even think of others' hardwork too? Even though this is just in beta, but I hope they will now feel bad and regret for what they've said and done. So mean and disrespectful.
sturdy anvil
I'll tell you this much, speeding will allow you to complete all the realms within one hour without any hiccups. Tell me now you don't want TGC to add the option.
runic path
Tbh a major goal for me to buy the pass is that I don't want seasonal item became ts and I'm grinding to death
tame zinc
People just stop be rude to the spirits and TGC they are trying to pleasent everyone,but what did TGC get,an insult that just disrespectful. Improve a game its really hard becuz TGC still a small company
naive hull
I dissagree Many people are not disrespectful. Beta is for testing, we are telling tgc our opinions (never be rude tho, but I think we are not)
thin shell
So still the same heat?
sour flower
I'll tell you this much, speeding will allow you to complete all the realms within one hour without any hiccups. Tell me now you don't want TGC to add the option.
@sturdy anvil I would get motion sick
gray quarry
I think a potion to increase candle collecting range would be cool. Or a “collect all candles in the area instantly” spell 😆