"play it and see how it feels"- the update is literally just adding an icon for some items in beta since everyone has the pass
#beta-discussion
foggy marsh
hollow jay
Nope I don't like candle farming😂 it's tedious and tiring. Chatting with friends is better.
I just went to see beta, the price for ts is still the same for prophecy ap holders. I suggest some discount for current ap holders~
radiant drum
Let's try to keep the quoting of long messages to a minimum please
rocky plume
@rocky plume players who spent more time playing deserve more so it's fair
@proud beacon wait so what do you mean by that, they deserve more but what? what are they gonna get out of this?
ancient tusk
"play it and see how it feels"- the update is literally just adding an icon for some items in beta since everyone has the pass
@foggy marsh i love you hehe
spark lance
Sky is a free game with no ads, and I appreciate that.
some games require special consoles and discs you have to buy the latest edition of every year! Sky doesn't have that either.
Sky is free to play for everyone.
Non-AP players get to experience the same game we AP holders have.
The only difference is cosmetics, but we all get to fly the same sky.
I'm convinced that it's a genius idea to give the AP holders the chance to get the same items that originally came with AP, like extra cosmetics and level 2 and level 4 emotes. But maybe make the items cheaper for us instead?
Meanwhile, please allow non-AP player sot get them too, but with regular.
For example, a pants will be available to those with AP for 30 candles, while the non-AP players can still get it for the regular price of 60 white candles.
I think that will make it more fair for everyone, do you agree?
thorn cedar
For players who have a pass every season, there is really no impact.There are four seasons in a year, if you buy the more expensive single pass, it only costs $40, which I don't think is a very frequent AP.
fathom mauve
did seasonal cosmetic really lose their worth though? this game is about sharing an experience with strangers or friends, and i think that experience includes cosmetics. Sky isnt about shining alone but shining together... anyways, just a food for thought.
@plain egret
Yeah like not everyone will even like the cosmetics, and the cosmetics don't even have a real value bc you can't sell them!
fervent patrol
Or have it free if they weren't able to get candles in time. Which is a lot more fair.
shadow niche
wait, I GET IT NOW
errant pollen
What is wrong with putting the deer mask or campfire in the boat store, for 500 candles each. You have a choice, grind for months, or buy candle packs. Tgc gets money and poor people with android phones get a chance
tiny umbra
"play it and see how it feels"- the update is literally just adding an icon for some items in beta since everyone has the pass
@foggy marsh we’re worried for the consequences when it comes to live, since beta is a testing ground for things that eventually come to said live, although ktjn said they have no plans for this to come to live, that was their intention since it’s in beta rn
proud beacon
@proud beacon people are poor, david
@spark lance I can't even buy a pass this season
Am talking with both sides seeing what is happening
orchid nexus
As always, focus your conversation here and your feedback on your own experiences. True and honest experience is a better narrative and a better argument than speculation about what "most" people think.
spring yoke
hmm.. some thoughts
need adventure pass for travelling spirits
Pros:
- less grinding for candles
- less stress
- easy !!
Cons:
- need money for adventure pass (not a lot of people have)
- removes the point of travelling spirits
- not everyone can have it
onyx inlet
if is is too much and some dont wanna grind i dont think its fair to change how it works for everyone if u can buy an ap cant u buy candle packs too???
mental otter
'poor people with android phones'? seems a bit harsh isn't it? 
swift edge
What is wrong with putting the deer mask or campfire in the boat store, for 500 candles each. You have a choice, grind for months, or buy candle packs. Tgc gets money and poor people with android phones get a chance
@errant pollen
Make it 1000 and vets might start to agree
slate heath
What is wrong with putting the deer mask or campfire in the boat store, for 500 candles each. You have a choice, grind for months, or buy candle packs. Tgc gets money and poor people with android phones get a chance
@errant pollen that's fine for me ^^ im ready to shop with my 787 candles
steel vale
wow ok megan not everyone can be rich like you 
sullen oasis
I just want an umbrella
royal iris
however id say that ultimate gifts could use this system maybe? regular seasonal items should be kept at candle prices. if yall want to make them more accesible add more candles to collect. mroe collecting more cosmetics. i think that could be fair
frank raptor
I believe that implementation of the new ts system will create a large divide between players who have the ability to spend money on the game and players who do not. Rather than encouraging players to treat each other equally, it breeds unhealthy competition.
tacit ember
I’ve always thought that a trade system where you can trade AC for regular candles would be a good idea like maybe 1 AC is equivalent to 1.5-2 candles. Going through Eden is a lot quicker than going through all realms.
warped brook
I want to how many people disagree with this update or support it 
radiant drum
I believe android here refers to the game being released later on android but yes, keep in mind the tone of your message and how it might come across the wrong way sometimes 
errant pollen
@errant pollen
Make it 1000 and vets might start to agree
@swift edge I'm absolutely cool with that. Some people can't play every day and may miss a TS, but having it in the shop for whenever you get the money seems nice.
shadow niche
only the previous AP cosmetics are AP required, right??? so y'all, we can get them 
pants without buying the pass!!
tiny umbra
Who said android peeps were poor, literally the only reason I have an iOS device was for procreate 
rapid crane
If now that they are going to modify that in the TS, when the pass for 3 players is purchased, will they now implement the gift that same day or will it wait until that season begins?????
eager fulcrum
i love sky, i do, but if this ended up coming to live i would seriously quit the game. i personally like candle running, it only takes me about an hour or two, and i can use said candles for traveling spirits from past seasons that i didn’t get to experience. I even ljke the randomness factor, because if i don’t like the spirit it gives me extra time and candles for next spirit. i am not rich, far from it, and i really appreciate traveling spirits as they are. i think it is completely fair and benefits everyone
orchid nexus
remember, even though this is about money, money has a relative value to each of us. no personal attacks, and no generalizations about "poor" or "rich" please.
foggy marsh
hmm.. some thoughts
need adventure pass for travelling spiritsPros:
- less grinding for candles
- less stress
- easy !!
@spring yoke
actually youd still have to grind, the AP is just an additional requirement for some items, so it actually doesnt affect any of that
proud beacon
@errant pollen
Make it 1000 and vets might start to agree
@swift edge seems a reasonable price which will also take about almost a season to farm those candles without spending too much
spark lance
wdym point of travelling spirits?
Consider this:
TS don't only visit to give us the chance to catch up on cosmetics...
Veterans also need them.
Travelling Spirits bring wing buffs
spice thunder
Guys I sent feedback I'ma go eat smth and take a break cuz I am getting a lil stressed out 
grave jetty
Wow, it’s been over an hour and a half guys. I’m scared.
Why not just make AP holders get it for free while non AP a holders can buy with candles? No one is gonna complain. Everyone wins in the end.
@dapper ginkgo Not quite everyone. I love TGC, but I'm not going to spend money on candle packs if I don't have to, and making these free for AP holders means I don't have to. A $10 AP every few months is a lot less money than $20 every couple of weeks, which is great for me, but not so much for TGC.
spring yoke
Still! It’d be less of a grind.. and I also spend 2 hours to candle run I often wander around
hidden quarry
thanks for your feedback, have a great break 
@spice thunder
orchid nexus
@spark lance please don't include blank lines in your messages. When chat moves fast, this pushes it even faster
wanton canopy
Ok, I personally do not like the new possible update as someone who doesn't even need ts.
It removes one if the key point of ts in the first place
ionic bluff
tgc REALLY do be stressing us out rn doe 
mental otter
i never said i was val i was just pointing out that some people still generalize the concept of being poor and rich based on devices, like what alex said. anyways i'm gonna slowly back away now and take a break from this chat. take care all
craggy karma
I actually wish the devs would greatly increase the prices of the items though, instead of locking it behind the pass. Reward the most dedicated players
slate heath
hmm.. some thoughts
need adventure pass for travelling spiritsPros:
- less grinding for candles
- less stress
- easy !!
Cons:
- need money for adventure pass (not a lot of people have)
- removes the point of travelling spirits
- not everyone can have it
@spring yoke we should not make this okay, let's just not accept this from TGC and they might leave the TSs like they were...
summer sundial
Y'all please cut the quote paragraphs in half or something and all and with an ellipsis... My eyes are in the matrix hell rn
royal iris
maybe just like we now have spell store we can have a set of previus seasonal items for purchase for entire season?
rain delta
What is wrong with putting the deer mask or campfire in the boat store, for 500 candles each. You have a choice, grind for months, or buy candle packs. Tgc gets money and poor people with android phones get a chance
@errant pollen this is such a good idea! Put it in the feedback!
elder hatch
i feel this change is fine. it would be great if they could implement the additional option of getting paid cosmetics with normal candles at a higher price, but i wouldnt be mad or feel like im being done some injustice if they decided to implement as it is right now. if one is unable to afford the AP, they can still grind for the non-paid TS cosmetics, which TGC has very kindly brought back for those who missed the seasons.
spark lance
honestly? I kinda liked how TGC didn't cash gate everything, you could get a good amount of candles a day (yeah it took forever) and you could buy out the ts whenever it came. Now with the cosmetics being season pass locked, I mean personally it doesn't bother me because I'll always support TGC because of how generous they've been (at least as long as I've played) but I see how it is a problem with other players.
dreamy copper
What is wrong with putting the deer mask or campfire in the boat store, for 500 candles each. You have a choice, grind for months, or buy candle packs. Tgc gets money and poor people with android phones get a chance
@errant pollen
I think instead of candles it should cost real money because if everything is grindable, then it would be unfair to the vetrans who spent money on the AP and nobody would get the AP anymore.
eager fulcrum
i think grinding as it is is fine rn. 20-21 candles a DAY during the off season and 16 in season. you want something? you gotta work for it, and that is perfectly fine by me. we already do that with regular cosmetics
untold pasture
I like the current system alot since I find candle running really enjoyable ! But having a discount for seasonal pass holders seems good to me :)
errant pollen
'poor people with android phones'? seems a bit harsh isn't it?
@mental otter I was referring to myself, I have an android phone and missed out on the earlier seasons, but have already spent over 100 dollars on this game.. I can't really afford to spend much more. I apologize if that sounded rude to other people. Bad phrasing on my part...
spark lance
Nothing wrong with buying an AP for only 10 bucks. It's just a coffee money
my friends and I bought all past season APs to show support to TGC
@hollow jay there's nothing wrong but not every player can afford to or can even spend money on games, thats a big issue in this whole debate
onyx inlet
10 bucks might be “coffee money” to u but some people cant even afford to spend that
wooden kettle
Guys we really need to calm down a bit lmao
The mods are under heavy pressure already
Paywalls are bad we agree but this hasn't hit live yet, and might never do so
Submit thoughts in feedback XD
tardy marsh
Lets keep it friendly here guys 
young elbow
The point of the game is to candle run. If you wish to get something, then grind for it. The TS are literally 2 weeks apart, and you you around 18 candles a day, 18x14 is 252 candles, which is more than enough to get cosmetics. If youre complaining about candle running, youre just not motivated enough. I understand people have school and you might not have time, but if you really wanted it, youd manage it somehow, even if you were to do 1 realm.
foggy marsh
10 bucks might be “coffee money” to u but some people cant even afford to spend that
@onyx inlet what kinda coffee costs 10 bucks
halcyon harness
Some players are children who can’t ask their parents, some are financially unable to buy passes
swift edge
honestly? I kinda liked how TGC didn't cash gate everything, you could get a good amount of candles a day (yeah it took forever) and you could buy out the ts whenever it came. Now with the cosmetics being season pass locked, I mean personally it doesn't bother me because I'll always support TGC because of how generous they've been (at least as long as I've played) but I see how it is a problem with other players.
@spark lance issue is only people that have played for a while know about how TGC is generous, new players don't know and if the game stops to get new players it will die
ionic bluff
@hollow jay dang that’s an EXPENSIVE coffee....
steel vale
mods yall are appreciated thank you for managing the server 
radiant drum
We all have lives outside of Sky and different motivations to play the game, try to be more gentle when expressing your personal views even when they don't align with someone else's
serene goblet
Nothing wrong with buying an AP for only 10 bucks. It's just a coffee money
@hollow jay 10 bucks are not just for a single cup of coffee tho... more like two cups of frappuccino
frank raptor
a cup of soothing tea to calm everyone's nerves, and thanks to all mods 🍵
spring yoke
I’m gonna go rest.. things are heated right now! 
hope everyone gets to share their opinions and thoughts :] I shall dip
orchid nexus
The expression "coffee money" is not meant to be literal. let's not attack choice of words. instead try to understand each other and empathize with people in different situations
shadow niche
also keep in mind that only AP stuff are going to TS just like the tree from the spirit in each season, lv2 and lv4 being pass only, some cosmetics being pass only too... that's how I'm getting it, if it's not AP in that particular season, it's not AP restricted
ornate marlin
@spark lance and the price is different in different countries according to their value of economi
plain egret
be nice and respectful to everyone or the krills come to lecture you tonight 
warped brook
When you want to gain something, you need to work hard for it
quartz scroll
I’m here since gratitude, I don’t have gratitude AP, every other one I do, some of the AP I couldn’t complete in time tbh. So I want to write my experience with this game, gratitude was a really hard season, I couldn’t get the pass, so I only could get 2 candles in mission and I think a extra one in grinding?, I gave up with the time, and I keep playing until TS appeared, I liked the idea of past season coming back because it could Benedict both sides (new and vet players), I enjoyed candle running with friends I met my best friends in sky and we used to run everyday. So please keep TS free, I don’t think Ultimates should come back, even if I want the deer mask, it will lose it purpose of buying it, also as I said.. getting those items in past seasons where so hard... so I think they should respect too those veterans.. at the end is only one item and they keep saying SEASONAL WILL NOT COME BACK.
With this I want to say TS should be affordable for everyone, candle running is not too bad, is the reason people keep playing the game, let’s think in people who couldn’t get or complete a season. Also let’s remember with each season the home changes.
Ultimates should be keep as limited, is a hard time and also let’s think in the people who had to pay and spend time in a limited amount of time, is not just I payed for this.. is the time you grind.. and it would lose or purpose.. at the end is only one item people can get.. I couldn’t get 3 ultimates and I’m pretty good with it
I think is fair for new and vets
lone thorn
A reminder that different currency exists, what seems like a pocket money to you might seems like a lot to someone else with weaker currency. 
fervent patrol
Yall, maybe we should suggest in #beta-feedback about the cosmetics being discounted or made free for AP holders while those who don't have them have to pay them with a whole bunch of candles and hearts instead. Seems fair.
sullen relic
to speak entirely for myself, i haven't had an issue getting what i want from the travelling spirits with the current system; the new change would directly prevent that as it currently stands if it's not a choice between "getting an adventure pass" or "grind more candles"
half ivy
What is wrong with putting the deer mask or campfire in the boat store, for 500 candles each. You have a choice, grind for months, or buy candle packs. Tgc gets money and poor people with android phones get a chance
@errant pollen you mean ||ascended candles|| right?
tardy marsh
All love no hate.
My suggestion:
For those who have the AP, they could get the items for no extra candles, just like a normal seasonal spirit.
For those who dont, the ts will stay the same.
radiant drum
Candle running every single day does not make you more of a player than someone that plays during the weekend with their family for a few minutes. We are all here to experience the game in different ways!
spark lance
I actually wish the devs would greatly increase the prices of the items though, instead of locking it behind the pass. Reward the most dedicated players
@craggy karma I don't think TGC is the type of company who wants to encourage longer play time.
And with the soon inclusion of the trials in the game mix, some players will spend longer hours playing Sky.
TGC may be doing this to promote real life-gaming balance to ensure that we all stay sane.
Remember that Sky is supposed to be a relaxing game, and rewarding "the most dedicated players by increasing the price of the items" is not actually a good thing. It will make it even more stressful for those of us who are busy with our jobs/ school and daily chores.
The expression "coffee money" is not meant to be literal. let's not attack choice of words. instead try to understand each other and empathize with people in different situations
@orchid nexus I think it came off negatively because $10 could be someone's dinner or last of their funds while she was calling it just "coffee money" when we're discussing how some players are disadvantaged, it mightve come off like they were just brushing off their opinions
exotic gorge
Any item that was originally behind an AP to get should always be behind an AP that makes it fair for veterans and new players and once you get all TS from that seasonal you should be able to buy the ultimate if you bought an adventure pass that’s just fair for veterans who originally bought the AP and new players that missed out on buying the AP the first time
spark lance
If you are going to implement this, please pay for the past events.
They do not balance the confiscation of the item and the candle in response to it.
sullen oasis
I left for a few minutes and there's already 50+ messages 
radiant drum
When it comes to feedback, please don't try to campaign for others to submit a certain view you share. If you feel that way, share your piece there! Mention it here to have a nice discussion about it and if others feel the same way they will share it themselves
foggy marsh
The expression "coffee money" is not meant to be literal. let's not attack choice of words. instead try to understand each other and empathize with people in different situations
sorry, i meant it as a joke and english isn't my native language
halcyon harness
I think the current system is fine. Maybe some faults here and there but otherwise it’s fine
royal iris
lets move on fromt he coffee money thing i think they get it..
eager fulcrum
i agree that ultimate gifts shouldn’t come back. it’s nice to think about in theory, but it would be extremely unfair to people who had to work hard for it. i can live without owl hair
wanton canopy
me and alot of my friends are going paycheck to paycheck and it's already extremely hard to get passes to share among us 
onyx inlet
i dont think its attacking to comment on the “coffee money” thing.. just pointing out that while it may seem cheap to others its not the case for everyone!! :3
tulip oyster
So i just noticed the change in ts systems- you can only buy some ts items with season passes.... i think this is heavily damaging for ppl who dont spend money... and wasnt the purpose of ts to make prevopis items available to ppl who didnt buy the pass? Im confused...
spark lance
yeah 10$ is like a million to me 😔
shadow niche
please send all yours incredible ideas regarding the new traveling spirit system in the #beta-feedback channel!!
hybrid terrace
I don't have a lot of extra funds and try to set a limit on my spending for entertainment every month. I check screenshots for upcoming season content (or experience it in Beta) to see if it's worth spending money on an AP. Sometimes a season looks wonderful, and sometimes there are only 1 or 2 items that catch my eye. It happens, everyone has different tastes.
I like the system the way it is now, where a f2p player can obtain previous season items with a time investment (or a candle pack, if they come up short). I don't even mind that there are players out there obtaining items that I previously paid money for - if I had joined this game a year or so from now then I would not have the knowledge or availability of any of those things. I don't even mind Ultimate Gifts being obtainable freely (or temporarily, as is the case with the campfire).
signal ingot
Aren't traveling spirits already very similar to seasonal spirits??? Most people that I find in social media mainly focus on traveling spirits for certain cosmetics or emotes so those people are just waiting for specific spirits. With the number of seasonal spirits in total, there's quite a lot of spirits to cycle through before they come back again. Having a traveling spirit is basically a mini season with just one spirit and I think using normal candles without a pass is valid for those that want to afford the "mini season spirit". It isn't just whether it's candle grinding or not, the original traveling spirit makes sense and it's fair to both old and new players. I don't understand why people don't like the original system and why TGC decided to implement this idea. If you have any opinion please quote/reply to this please. I really don't understand the backlash against the original traveling spirit system
spark lance
All love no hate.
My suggestion:For those who have the AP, they could get the items for no extra candles, just like a normal seasonal spirit.
For those who dont, the ts will stay the same.
@tardy marsh I agree 100%
amber umbra
i agree that ultimate gifts shouldn’t come back. it’s nice to think about in theory, but it would be extremely unfair to people who had to work hard for it. i can live without owl hair
@eager fulcrum or come back with real money, since I would REALLY love bonfire (as would many others), but wasn’t around during Belonging. I think this is the proposed idea if they ever do bring it back
fleet heart
yeah 10$ is like a million to me 😔
@spark lance SAME, my country’s currency is a mess. I really can’t afford passes 😭
rocky plume
what if someone bought a pass and then all the ts for the lasting of the whole entire season and the waiting time for the season they already have? or they dont want the new season’s cosmics. those people are having SUCH bad luck 😂
coral flume
Guys..somebody please explain to me the new update with ts ;-; I don't understand
royal iris
i agree i feel like the only people i hear complaining about the current system are vets that are upset they wont be 'unique anymore' its silly but again, thats just my exp
dapper ginkgo
Holy frick guys. Please calm down. I understand that you’re all mad... I’m mad too. Please do send your complaints to #beta-feedback. I don’t think the devs will be looking in here. In 20 minutes, we would’ve been in shock for two hours nonstop... I’m sure they get the idea already that we don’t like the idea. This is all overwhelming for them (and for me too). Just please, send your walls into #beta-feedback. 
halcyon harness
The current system is based around “You reap what you sow” kind of system. That way anyone can get the TS if they put the effort into grinding for it. TS are completely optional, they don’t make you anymore special than the next person. This system completely removes the you get what you work for system. It just makes it so whoever has a pass easily gets some cool cosmetics, I dislike it a lot actually.
eager fulcrum
@eager fulcrum or come back with real money, since I would REALLY love bonfire (as would many others), but wasn’t around during Belonging. I think this is the proposed idea if they ever do bring it back
@amber umbra i still think it’d be unfair. all that time working hard for the ultimate gift only to see people buy it instantly for real money.. it doesn’t sit right with me. again, woukd probably feel like a slap to the face for those veterans. you can still buy bonfire spells btw
wind roost
@orchid nexus I think it came off negatively because $10 could be someone's dinner or last of their funds while she was calling it just "coffee money" when we're discussing how some players are disadvantaged, it mightve come off like they were just brushing off their opinions
@spark lance I'm sure they meant it as "it's cheaper than some games." Yes, 10 bucks is expensive for many people including me. But I see that term as that person trying to fix the ranting going on this channel. I'm sure they didn't mean it in a negative way.
sullen oasis
Oh wow this are some juicy messages
red perch
I would think that, it doesn't hurt if the new player getting the old cosmetics, even though veterans go through the way where spending money and spending time, but the experience of going through the season is the precious thing that they couldn't get and that's the thing which is priceless, we share warmth and happiness in this game, isn't it a lost if the players been drive away because of this? It's true that we seek fairness between veterans and new players, and thus the TS here to give those who not afford or unable to experience the previous season a chance to get those amazing things, isn't that's the point of TS to exist? If it requires AP to accesss, i would think that it could be having alternatives, where those with AP could get it at a less price maybe, while those who don't have AP still able to get it at usual price, i think someone had mentioned about that before
tardy marsh
So in summary,
I think that:
For pass holders,
The ts would act like a normal seasonal spirit. (But the currency is normal candles instead of seasonal candles)
For non-pass holders, the ts would stay the same.
wooden kettle
Again, I've only spent money buying games and never for in-game items, even though I can
Some people are unwilling to spend money for cosmetic advancements in game whereas some are ready to
Keep in mind this might never make it to live before we argue about this, and do submit feedbacks to #beta-feedback
Let's not attack or defend here, because ultimately it's just a game
summer sundial
I think the best we can do here is come up with a compromise for both sides. Perhaps the way the game is now is unfair to one side. Change isn't always a bad thing everyone. We live and we learn to grow. Just because you dislike what's happening now doesn't mean it will be placed in Live! This is the purpose of beta, to test and experiment new ideas!
foggy marsh
oh my what did the coffee money start
lone thorn
A lot apparently
spark lance
everyone seriously needs to chill 
radiant drum
This is a discussion channel, discussion about the changes are fine and encouraged. Of course, we should all keep it friendly and constructive here, but we will not shut down discussion just because it's controversial. Do share your thoughts in #beta-feedback to make sure your feedback is seen by the devs, but it's fine to also share it here if you would like to discuss it
fleet heart
Aren’t traveling spirits already very similar to seasonal spirits??? Most people that I find in social media mainly focus on traveling spirits for certain cosmetics or emotes so those people are just waiting for specific spirits. With the number of seasonal spirits in total, there’s quite a lot of spirits to cycle through before they come back again. Having a traveling spirit is basically a mini season with just one spirit and I think using normal candles without a pass is valid for those that want to afford the “mini season spirit”. It isn’t just whether it’s candle grinding or not, the original traveling spirit makes sense and it’s fair to both old and new players. I don’t understand why people don’t like the original system and why TGC decided to implement this idea. If you have any opinion please quote/reply to this please. I really don’t understand the backlash against the original traveling spirit system
@signal ingot I don’t understand ehat people have against the previous system either. I always get what I want from spirits
real mica
Holy frick guys. Please calm down. I understand that you’re all mad... I’m mad too. Please do send your complaints to #beta-feedback. I don’t think the devs will be looking in here. In 20 minutes, we would’ve been in shock for two hours nonstop... I’m sure they get the idea already that we don’t like the idea. This is all overwhelming for them (and for me too). Just please, send your walls into #beta-feedback.
@dapper ginkgo Ok but it's cool to share our ideas and discuss about it, after all here is the general-beta-DISCUSSION
tacit stone
Beta updates put me into tears today. So much updates and efforts from everyone in TGC and here to make it work perfectly in live GOOD JOB EVERYONE!!!!
wanton canopy
I do feel like this might come to live though. There will always be people who want it
spark lance
everyone seriously needs to chill
@spark lance let people express their opinions, i dont think anyone is heated or anything to the point its dangerous, its fine
ancient tusk
Whoah the coffee money stirred this place up. I mean... I'm sorry for those who can't afford. 😂😂 but after all TGC is a game company that needs support from players to carry on. I secretly want more players who can afford the pass to show some support. That's all
The new system is a strategy to promote sales for new adventure pass. I support it.
@hollow jay people who don't buy the pass won't buy the pass because of the new TS system. Doesn't make a lot of difference.
amber umbra
i still think it’d be unfair. all that time working hard for the ultimate gift only to see people buy it instantly for real money.. it doesn’t sit right with me. again, woukd probably feel like a slap to the face for those veterans. you can still buy bonfire spells btw
@eager fulcrum yep, I know you can buy spells. But not everyone has the time to candle run all day every day (part of this whole discussion) and buy those spells, whereas some people just out of circumstance got to play the game earlier. That is the part that doesn’t seem fair to me, but that’s my personal opinion. We’re all entitled to them
hybrid wedge
Please do not quote big text blocks! The chat is already moving fast enough
halcyon harness
Coffee Money upset my Coffee Honeys 😎
tulip oyster
I for one quite disagree with this ts update. The purpose of ts was to make previous season itmes available to ppl who didnt participate in previous seasons/ ppl who dont spend money. I thought the original system was great coz veterans had some ways to spend excess candles and hearts that become quite meaningless over time. Ts was basocally the only reason we cr. The new ts system that blocks ppl who didnt use money on passes kinda ruins the original purpose of ts. I hope tgc might change their mind.😔 big sad
wind roost
Please don't assume someone meant those words negatively. Don't attack them when they didn't mean it in a negative way. Yes, it may have given off a bad vibe, but it doesn't mean that they meant it negatively. Don't assume things then attack people, please.
radiant drum
Chat is a bit wild right now, and discussion will be filled with gut reactions because the announcement just happened. It's alright to take a break and return later and it's calmer if it's not an enjoyable experience at the moment for you
orchid nexus
money does not have the same value to each of us here. please respect that $10 may be a month of meals for one person, or a second thought on a Tuesday for others.
stoic crow
I do feel like this might come to live though. There will always be people who want it
@wanton canopy The thing about this is that there will always be people arguing one way or another
spark lance
I think it's much more fair to discuss it here first before you send your feedback.
It pays to rationalize, prepare, understand and get your thoughts together first before impulsively bombarding the #beta-feedback channel.
Remember that the people who manage the beta feedbacks are actual people too!
tardy marsh
Wait, will this change move to live at some point?
Please answer my question...
foggy marsh
question: has tgc ever removed a feature that they were going to add because the community disliked it
summer sundial
If Mirian's big text was in response to me, I'm sorry. Maybe I worded it wrong...
proud beacon
🥱
ionic bluff
I posted that comment a while ago plz dont ping
eager fulcrum
@eager fulcrum yep, I know you can buy spells. But not everyone has the time to candle run all day every day (part of this whole discussion) and buy those spells, whereas some people just out of circumstance got to play the game earlier. That is the part that doesn’t seem fair to me, but that’s my personal opinion. We’re all entitled to them
@amber umbra yes, but even if you don’t have time for cr you can still get 4 candles from quests daily, which only take a few minutes
rocky swallow
i dont like the new ts system..
mental otter
@tardy marsh iirc, tgc currently has no plan on implementing this to live as of the moment, they're just testing this system out in beta.
late tulip
All love no hate.
My suggestion:For those who have the AP, they could get the items for no extra candles, just like a normal seasonal spirit.
For those who dont, the ts will stay the same.
@tardy marsh (sorry for ping) That's a great idea! I think you should add your suggestion in #beta-feedback
spark lance
@spark lance it's getting a little heated in my opinion, ill come back later when the tsunami of anger is vanquished 
hybrid wedge
@tardy marsh Nothing in beta is guaranteed to come to live; beta is to test things first of all.
lone thorn
I can literally buy 5 plates of fried rice with $10
grand frigate
the current system is already good on its own imo 😔 tho i really wanted some previous seasons ultimate gifts, i personally don't think they should come back; while it seems unfair to new players, i just feel like it makes them more special that way 👉👈
quaint knoll
I think TGC could be clear when talking about making money, instead of 'balance things for players, love, equality, flowers and fluffs' 🙄
dapper ginkgo
@dapper ginkgo Ok but it's cool to share our ideas and discuss about it, after all here is the general-beta-DISCUSSION
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to be rude... I was just getting a little distressed that the usually calm beta chat was aflame. I apologize if I came off as rude!
spark lance
@ionic bluff to be fair, it’s $10 every 70 days, that’s not expensive. If you drink coffee everyday, maybe buy snacks at a local cafeteria, you’d spend more. The season pass is really 10 cents every day for 70 days.
@rain delta again, youre not someone to be judging what is or isn't expensive, its subjective to each their own
urban mantle
@ionic bluff to be fair, it’s $10 every 70 days, that’s not expensive. If you drink coffee everyday, maybe buy snacks at a local cafeteria, you’d spend more. The season pass is really 10 cents every day for 70 days.
@rain delta i think it depends on the currency of the country
signal ingot
I think it's much more fair to discuss it here first before you send your feedback.
It pays to rationalize, prepare, understand and get your thoughts together first before impulsively bombarding the #beta-feedback channel.
Remember that the people who manage the beta feedbacks are actual people too!
@spark lance Sorry for quoting but I feel that this is important for people that are telling people to just send feedback to the feedback channel. Thank you
radiant drum
More like a general reminder, Leona Lots of people here talking about lots of things with the best of intentions, and we all should take a step back sometimes
amber umbra
yes, but even if you don’t have time for cr you can still get 4 candles from quests daily, which only take a few minutes
@eager fulcrum that is only between seasons, which is for two weeks every few months
copper bison
aight, was nice reading this channel, but im gonna go. chat on fire. also gotta do homework so have a good day/night/etc! 
swift edge
Honestly the best idea is to make it optional to get all TS cosmetics for free or to get a discount when u buy the pass.
Don't have the pass?
Then u need at least 120 candles to complete a TS
Have a pass?
Then u need 60~50 candles
Also it would be awesome if the pass didn't have a change of price cuz it would be unfair for those who already have the cosmetics of past season to need to pay more in order to get the stuff of the new seasons.
stiff dust
That’s honestly a good solution
tulip oyster
Yes, not every element from beta comes to actual game.... i hope this ts system would be thought over again by the devs and i hope they make a decision thats good for us and them
ionic bluff
oh my dear the pings from my message 
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radiant drum
Please avoid using formatting or blank lines that make your post bigger than it needs to be when chat has a long slowmode like this one, it just makes it scroll by faster. Avoid quoting long posts as well
wanton canopy
was the argument with the whole no more seeing everyone in the server when u deep call also this heated? because that one made it in
fervent patrol
Or the AP-stuff could be made free for those who have AP
white horizon
I finally catched up to the latest message. 
mental otter
$10 is already a huge amount of money in my country's currency, and i bet it is for other countries as well. while it may seem cheap to some of you, it already is expensive for other people
hollow jay
Hey guys I just checked the friendship tree in beta.
The free items from the past season remains FREE.
Only the gratitude-restricted items require prophecy pass. It's consistent.
halcyon harness
I think the discount idea would probably be best. If you have a pass you get a discount, no pass and the TS remains the same.
rocky swallow
I for one quite disagree with this ts update. The purpose of ts was to make previous season itmes available to ppl who didnt participate in previous seasons/ ppl who dont spend money. I thought the original system was great coz veterans had some ways to spend excess candles and hearts that become quite meaningless over time. Ts was basocally the only reason we cr. The new ts system that blocks ppl who didnt use money on passes kinda ruins the original purpose of ts. I hope tgc might change their mind.😔 big sad
@tulip oyster i agree with this one
foggy marsh
honestly all the best items require pass
eager fulcrum
@eager fulcrum that is only between seasons, which is for two weeks every few months
@amber umbra you have a point, but again i feel like it would be very disrespectful to the people who had to work hard for it and paid money for the season. even more a slap to the face than the possible new traveling spirit system to players who can’t afford ap
elder hatch
the way i see the TS system was always that they were implemented to bring back past-season spirits for those who missed it; NOT for paid cosmetics to become free. previously free cosmetics -> free TS cosmetics. previously AP-locked cosmetics -> AP-locked TS cosmetics. in my opinion this makes perfects sense
spark lance
whoever suggested the discount, I love you and hope you have a good day
summer sundial
That was me!
rapid crane
I feel like people who don't have the economy to buy the pass will stop playing it once TS is rolled out to Sky Live.
valid flint
i okay with this update ..? but please, can we have free all item in ts when they come in the time dont have season ?
woeful urchin
Would rather have the TS have things just at a discount with AP than be locked qwq
orchid nexus
Money is very personal to all of us. We have a lot of conflicting thoughts and feelings wrapped up in it. So be specific about your own experience when sharing feedback. Whether some IAP is completely unattainable to you, or is inconsequentially cheap, any feedback is valuable if it's your own story
tulip oyster
yesss discount is such a good idea!! 
plain oak
Please calm down guys, There’s so much text and in big chunks as well.
I need to ask a question however. in the beta will the amount of seasonal candle wax we get from collecting seasonal candles be the same in the live? Last season in live it would take 4 candle bunches to get 1 candle, but in beta it takes me almost 1 bunch to get 1-2 candles. I’m new to beta so I don’t have a clear grasp on some things.
wanton canopy
@plain oak nah that bit is only in beta
radiant drum
Seasonal candle rate is higher in beta to make testing faster
exotic gorge
I think all the seasonal should be in orbit at end of eden with all other constellations and if you want an old seasonal just purchase the old AP for that constellation and start to get Seasonal candles to unlock that constellation and that would include that seasonal ultimate
wooden kettle
I see a lot of typing in beta feedback
orchid nexus
quoted text walls may just get delyeeted if y'all just quote to "i agree"
copper bison
@plain oak beta gets 1.5/overworld candle, live is 0.25/overworld candle. beta has faster candle rate because seasons are usually shortened and so we can test things faster.
halcyon harness
Please don’t quote to massive walls of text with short comments
steep swift
look, if the only objective of the game is doing seasonal quests, completing constellations, and ts, then i'm p sure the game will get boring fast. wrecking the ts like that would make the current gameplay worse. they'll shoo new players while also shooing old players. it's not about fairness. if it's ineffective, tgc will definitely suffer the fall. i don't think that's what they want. so i rly disagree to this change, i hope this won't be their downfall
tulip oyster
yes, ping the person who wrote it if necessary, dont quote text blocks pls
spark lance
Even for someone who buys the AP all the time, I disagree with this system. What’s the point of playing the game if I can just pay to get everything? Even with the option of adventure pass the item or buy the item with candle still discourages me from farming everyday because ..... I mean I can get it now, why should I grind for it anymore? I’m sorry but if this change makes it to live, I will stop playing. Even when this game is my emotional reliance, I have to for TGC to start listening to its players. Some decisions TGC made are questionable, like keeping the price of the lantern, making honking not show all the players in an area, not fixing the ceremonial worshiper emote, etc. I feel that the division between paid and free players are getting out of hand here, poor players should have time to enjoy and appreciate the game so much that they spend money on it to support the company whilst still being able to have something they really need to try hard to get. That was my situation, I missed the umbrella and Rhythm AP for being a moth but got so impressed with Sky that I spent my student saving on later APs. I have quitted most of my games due to this division, so I hope that TGC doesn’t fall into this, not only for other players, but for how bad my emotions will be if I have to quit the game. I have submitted a feedback, just wanna talk a bit here. Thank you for listening 
gilded parrotBOT
A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!
rocky swallow
if the tses require pass then ppl wont get motivated to cr anymore and therefore sky would lose players
sullen oasis
I thought the main objective about the game is creating friends and socializing
ionic bluff
this “TS locked behind AP” thing is like a huge slap in the face man
proper helm
Hey guys I just checked the friendship tree in beta.
The free items from the past season remains FREE.
Only the gratitude-restricted items require prophecy pass. It's consistent.
@hollow jay What gratitude restricted pass
spark lance
Maybe the items that are locked behind the seasons pass should be free 🤷♀️ if we are paying 10$ maybe they ones they lock should be free. (Not really free but yk)
swift edge
I thought the main objective about the game is creating friends and socializing
@sullen oasis yeah but most of us find friends while struggling to get candles
eager fulcrum
i cannot and probably will not be able to afford an adventure pass for a long while. my dad has to take care of 3 kids plus my 4th older brother sometimes. i wanted to get a job, but then the pandemic happened. i do not like spending money on games because i know how important $10 may be in the future, and that we may need it. i have gone days without eating properly, and the new possible ts system just feels unfair to people like me who can’t afford it/spare the money. it’s a huge slap in the face. i get that tgc needs money, but they already have packs for that, like the lantern or the halloween cosmetics
fervent patrol
I didn't quote I agree. I was just pointing that out for those who don't know...? Its stated in #beta-announcements that items BEHIND Season of Belonging will be locked under AP.... Unless, they're also gonna do it for other Seasons too...
lyric elm
IS FIREBOY STILL MISSING
tacit stone
Does TS price get cheaper after its tied to the AP? Is making it cheaper after tying to the AP the point?
spark lance
It’s hard to want to play sky when everything is behind a paywall and veterans don’t want you to have items you missed for whatever reason, speaking as an android player that started this year and missed everything
wanton canopy
I think old players will always be slightly on the back burner. We are often less active and we are way outnumbered. Tgc has to accompany for all the newer players and I understand that. Even if I don't like a new update ik they have the betterment of sky in mind
craggy karma
@proper helm Meaning the non-pass items will stay free
Everything else require a pass
orchid nexus
for those of you composing epic poems in response to #beta-announcements remember to play the game, try it, think about it, feel it, and then share your epic over in #beta-feedback
hollow jay
@hollow jay What gratitude restricted pass
@proper helm for example, the crab mask was gratitude pass restricted. Now it's prophecy pass restricted
woeful urchin
I really don’t agree with the AP lock qAq its like paying to get cosmetics like some other games :(( one of the things that kinda embody sky almost is to get cosmetics w/o having to spend actual money for once QAQ
amber umbra
you have a point, but again i feel like it would be very disrespectful to the people who had to work hard for it and paid money for the season. even more a slap to the face than the possible new traveling spirit system to players who can’t afford ap
@eager fulcrum i think some people are going to take any return of old cosmetics as a slap in the face, as we saw with the return program. It’s going to have to be a give-and-take, so maybe it would be more expensive than the AP was for the old season, or maybe you have to have collected all the spirits from that season before you can buy it. I trust that TGC doesn’t make decisions lightly and that they would consider a range of player needs. As for the folks who can’t afford AP, I completely sympathize and would love nothing more than an equitable system where f2p players would also have access. However, to get the ultimates, one MUST purchase the AP no matter what, so I could see people who paid for the AP being upset if we got ultimates for ingame currency when they paid real money.
Again, just my two cents
halcyon harness
I’ve gotta say, people in this Sky Community are really talented at giving feedback ngl
spice thunder
Y'all do be sitting here writing essays
rocky swallow
please i dont want sky to become like line play... where you gotta pay for literally every single smallest thing in the game.... lots of minors who dont have money play this game, plus making money by ourselves is pretty hard
ionic bluff
You guys write essays on TS better than I write in my English class
wooden kettle
Mods and people reading #beta-feedback you guys are doing a great job
Stay hydrated and energetic, we need you guys
And people make it easy for the mods lmao
signal ingot
i cannot and probably will not be able to afford an adventure pass for a long while. my dad has to take care of 3 kids plus my 4th older brother sometimes. i wanted to get a job, but then the pandemic happened. i do not like spending money on games because i know how important $10 may be in the future, and that we may need it. i have gone days without eating properly, and the new possible ts system just feels unfair to people like me who can’t afford it/spare the money. it’s a huge slap in the face. i get that tgc needs money, but they already have packs for that, like the lantern or the halloween cosmetics
@eager fulcrum I agree. It definitely doesn't even help that compared to the start of the game, the seasonal passes and seasonal cosmetics have increased in prices as well. The need to drain more money from people like this seems completely unnecessary
spark lance
@spark lance I AGREE, as an IOS player it's not fair to Android.
rich stream
i'm still catching up because the chat is moving fast, but I just wanna thank the mods for being understanding and letting us express the overwhelm some of us are feeling in a safe, controlled place, without being made to feel like we're being unfair or dramatic for not liking this potential change
wanton canopy
speaking of essays, I've got one I have to finish Tonight- thanks for reminding me
rain delta
Well for those people whose argument is that you missed the season and you only want the items you missed, the new system let’s you get those... basically you get all the items that wouldn’t have been locked behind the AP Lock. SO REALLY, the New system seems to me like it’s trying to pseudo emulate the spirits during their respective seasons.
gilded parrotBOT
Psh, I'm WAY cooler than those mods!
radiant drum
hey
summer sundial
damn skybot...thats brutal
orchid nexus
people in Sky have always loved their essays. back in early beta there were some real stars of essay writing.. ahem *shiracheshire*
woeful urchin
LOL SKYBOT SAID OYE IM COOLER THAN YALL PERIOD
coral flume
Wait wait, did ktjn announced that:
The ts will require ap in order to purchase some of the items?
errant pollen
Past seasonal items in a candle shop for 1000+ ascended candles? Would that help people feel included, including veterans?
sullen oasis
This is really a bad timing skybot
warped brook
Anyone sent the feedback
proper helm
Oh now older TS will also require pass?
tulip oyster
i stayed on discord for quite a long time, and i saw many ts coming and going. It was always exciting and funny to see ppl getting hyped over ts, because they could get coolitems from previous seasons! Im afriad this update will take the hype away & i think if we let the beta system take over, the discussion over the pay-to-get system of ts would rise every time the ts comes. I do not want that, both for us and the devs. Also im afraid there will be no ts hype anymore, which is... sad😔😔
halcyon harness
I’m just gonna be honest, in my opinion, this change would suck. Hard. I would absolutely despise this change if it went through.
polar sparrow
Ts is ment for buying cosmetics which you were unable to buy because they were in ap
I dont like this new update
😫 😫
fluid quail
when i started (before TS happens) sky i couldn't miss a day to grind candles and was mostly waiting for reset to grind even more, idk how ppl say it's stressful where it's actually one of the mains and fun part of sky activity.
sturdy anvil
I'm a f2p, still I managed the sanc pass but this prophesy one I can't get.AP misses will keep on happening cz I go on student savings.The way
I see it I'll just move away and spend my time I used to spend on grinding and meeting new ppl by watching useful videos or shaping life skills that helps me in career. Thankfully by this time I have made a good number of cool and kind friends who I have got in contact on social media and that's all I need.
spark lance
if TGC put this in live, I don't think new players will enjoy grinding candles anymore. In our country, most of our players are just kids and students that can't afford to buy AP. The only reason that they keep on grinding candles is because of the Traveling Spirits. They will just kill the enjoyment of the kids.
orchid nexus
@halcyon harness those are some words... be sure to include why it would suck for you when you drop that bomb on #beta-feedback
frank raptor
If more aspects of sky becomes accessible with only iap, might as well create a monthly sky premium membership. Remember club penguin? I don't want sky to turn out like that
eager fulcrum
@amber umbra i do not want to quote bc i don’t want to quote a long paragraph only to say something short, but i get where you’re coming from and you have a point 
spark lance
ah yes,,, now the grind is irl. love that.
I don't know how to say that we should just care about others and not make something as small as cosmetics a controversial topic just because some people get their feelings hurt over new players potentially wearing cosmetics that were limited, when an entire section of the community was restricted until this year. Why is it so wrong for someone to wear cosmetics you own from months ago when its their first time even interacting with it?
fiery trail
Hmmm if this update goes to live - TS that comes when there is no active season, the AP-restricted items will only be available for those who preorder the pass - I'm thinking that players should also then be able to gift pass before season starts.
wooden kettle
Try the game people and give your own opinions in #beta-feedback
Gotta take a break I have a test wish me luck
spark lance
Past seasonal items in a candle shop for 1000+ ascended candles? Would that help people feel included, including veterans?
@errant pollen that still feels like gate keeping tbh, it takes like 3 weeks just to get 30? Idk that doesn't seem fair to me
rapid crane
The attraction of the game is also to share with people and friends, it is farming, gathering candles while waiting for the spirits to obtain both their expressions and their objects, accessories and capes, if they implant that they will lose game players and that will be bad in the long run since friends will be lost and soon many of us will stop playing it
woeful urchin
Man... several people are typing in the Feedback... uwu remember to keep ur feedback reasonable and not out of line
spark lance
Tobi spittin facts
tacit stone
No one gonna take a moment to appreciate that how much we've done to finally let Prophecy go live? 
young elbow
Y'all remember when TGC said they wouldnt bring back old seasonal spirits but now TS exists so newer players can get the emotes and cosmetics? Let's just stop there so the whole point of the game won't get forgotten
wanton canopy
I will honestly stop playing if more things keep becoming pay-to-get. Ive already spent like 100$ and I am just
okay sorry off to my essay
plain egret
i love reading these essays though.. it shows that you really love the game to the point that you are willing to spend time to put out your thoughts here. They are all well thought out and arent just complaining or swearing out the devs.
signal ingot
After reading all the comments on the new system that they're thinking of implementing, it feels as if TGC is just betting on the chance that there will be people desperate enough to spend all of their money on the game just for something that they want in a game
lusty light
Earning 1000 ascended candles will take over a year of weekly eden runs and that’s not even including unlocking friendship notes with friends
stark cloud
Wow so probably now in TS, the left side node only can u lock by buying AP.. interesting
orchid nexus
I still secretly wish for a way to give cosmetics. I don't think it can work when there's IRL currency involved... but some things I want to give away that someone else really wants... I want that to exist without the risk of Sky black market
frank raptor
This potential new system makes me wanna sing Dame Da Ne
lusty light
Please remember that this is only beta and none of this is guaranteed to go live
cyan cairn
Let's just hope..
proper helm
Sky gonna lose players now people get free season items anyway.. And so there will be no TS hype
spark lance
Earning 1000 ascended candles will take over a year of weekly eden runs and that’s not even including unlocking friendship notes with friends
@lusty light i would be ok with spending ascended candles on cosmetics but like??? 1000??? Maybe like 50 LOL
rain delta
@spark lance agreed and also there’s a minimum of 4-5 months before that season’s cosmetics are even available as a TS! I feel like the current TS system is fine... but I also feel like the way that update note was written, we don;t really have a say.. they’ll just end up pushing it to live like the costs and prices for all the other IAPs.
What seems to be very clear to me is that the TS system will be revamped in one way or another
rocky swallow
i hope it wont go live.... man....
ionic bluff
the mods are just desperately trying to calm down the chat, I love y’all
sullen oasis
are ya winning son?
tacit stone
I oso wish i can gift spells to others 🤩
gilded parrotBOT
Hi folks, what's up?
worn gate
:((( not everyone can afford to buy adventure passes so this would be a sad change. i thought the travelling spirits purpose was to give other players a chance at getting a cool item. while it takes time to "grind" for candles, its the main thing that makes me play sky aside from friends and seasonal content.
amber umbra
@eager fulcrum thank you, and same here! I definitely see where you are coming from too as a low income person myself, I’m not a fan of putting anything in a f2p game behind a paywall. 
tulip oyster
maybe two minute slowdown isnt enought for this server lol
wanton canopy
But there could also be a high chance it will. The deep call thing had so much backlash and made it in. We shall see tho
surreal night
I just want to say I'm never without a adventure pass so
lusty light
How do you know if it’s a high chance or not, you’re not a developer
Ktjn said there are no plans for this to go live right now
summer sundial
I have a genuine question...I want to change something with my discount idea. Can I send my message again in feedback? The main idea is still the same but I have made modifications. Am I allowed to send it again?
signal ingot
Hi folks, what's up?
@gilded parrot Hi sky bot!
radiant drum
Remember to say why you feel a certain way when sharing your feedback. It might be hard to find the right words, and it's okay to take some time to really think about it. It's important to express your reasoning so TGC can understand how you feel
coral flume
In my country, getting the ap is quite difficult, it's expensive. And in many other country too, ts is the only way we can get past season cosmetics even thought we haven't experienced it. Ts is the only reason I farm candles tbh, and now they want season pass just to get some stuff from ts? It's too much :/
Ts IS stressful while collecting certain amount of candles in 2 weeks but, it has been fun for me so far. My friends and I wait at home to welcome ts and buy everything immediately. If it weren't for ts and candle runs, I wouldn't play the game that much (my intention is not meaning that there's nothing else other than ts in the game) Ts are like events every 2 weeks for me.
rapid crane
I don’t know how to say that we should just care about others and not make something as small as cosmetics a controversial topic just because some people get their feelings hurt over new players potentially wearing cosmetics that were limited, when an entire section of the community was restricted until this year. Why is it so wrong for someone to wear cosmetics you own from months ago when its their first time even interacting with it?
@spark lance I agree with you and if this is the case in the global, my friends will stop playing it and if so, then it will no longer be a joke to buy the passes of 3 players and therefore I will stop playing Sky
orchid nexus
it's not "desperate" as much as we are constantly try to keep it respectful, even when it's not calm. but we like to feel appreciated, so thanks @ionic bluff
halcyon harness
Good god. That was a massive text onslaught
gilded parrotBOT
How many kids would a skykid kid if a skykid could kid kids?
foggy merlin
Hmm..
orchid nexus
Skynot
plain egret
shhhh skybot go to gen chat 
timber rock
skybot trying to be the mood maker here
gilded parrotBOT
Do you think bots can think?
eager fulcrum
personally i don’t think this will go to live because not only has it gotten such a negative response, but also the amount of players that have said theyd quit. like with this, i feel like they’ll just lose money if anything. at least.. that’s what i hope
rain delta
@lusty light but I think it’s clear that the team feels that the TS system as we have it, will be touched upon and revamped. The details might not be the same, but the action still remains. It may get better or it may get worse. But ultimately, there is no way to make everyone happy.
orchid nexus
skybot completely misreads the mood and acts like a dork
neon gust
I just read the info abt the new update and i realized how funny it is that tgc is thinking of making us pay more money as a solution to shortening the gap between new users and old users
rocky swallow
ok but.. sky would lose LOTS of players if the new ts system gets implemented in live, and tgc will go unstonks
sullen oasis
skybot is too wholesome to be in here rn
gilded parrotBOT
tulip oyster
I think skybot is completely sentient and is desperately trying to lighten the mood smart skybot
hardy nest
just to put my two cents in...
i don’t see a reason why people (especially veterans) who find the game getting dull after already getting everything still feel like they have to keep playing and then some get upset that people don’t want the TS to be locked behind a paywall because it’s unfair...
that being said, i’ve already sent in my feedback and disagree with the whole TS thing qwq i really hope this doesn’t go live...
rustic hearth
Skybot is broken!
dim lagoon
Double candles event every week once a month can reduce the stressful grinding too
crystal cipher
I’ve been putting my input in feedback but I wanted to put something in here too. I grew up poor, I grew up playing games as well and I played online games that had extreme paywalls that made it so you could not have really cool items, do activities, or other things unless you paid up to $15-$20 for them. I could not afford them and it made me so upset, I felt as if I was worth less than those who could afford them and I have only found the joy in playing online games like this in sky because it gives me the option, finally. I just want this game to stay inclusive and kind. 
spark lance
Skybot acting like it didn’t just say it was cooler than the mods
ionic bluff
goodnight I sleepi sneep plz be calm in the morning
swift edge
A thing I don't understand about the vets is that they will complain about new players having cosmetics they got a while ago but those same vets only use a few cosmetics from past seasons... I mean.... Is this a competition somehow? If u have more cosmetics you win? I am not angry or anything like that I just can't see the logic.
I totally agree new players shouldn't get the ultimate gifts of past seasons but why are some vets still mad about us getting the regular cosmetics?
I am genuinely confuse 
surreal night
Night jarvis
rich stream
alright, i'm gonna get outta here since i've gotten the gist of things haha. later, everyone. enjoy your night and try to remain calm. like the mods and ktjn have said, it's just an idea, not a guarantee.
see you on the flip side 
spark lance
Think I'll end up leaving sky or just playing to vibe with friends considering I've seen some feedback come and go without change and it's becoming a habit of TGC implementing new system > backlash > no response > players shying away from the game over time. It's gotten to a point where I might as well just watch from the sidelines and remember when Sky wasn't becoming so money invested.
halcyon harness
Whole Wheat heading out, gonna make me some toast.
sturdy anvil
Here's something I want to know does it matter to gaming companies how many ppl.play a game?Does google pay the company based on that number.If not TGC has no reason to care. They’re sole conern financially will be players WHO PAY.Even if many many players leave the game, but the ones who pay keep paying, it wouldn’t hurt them.The reason why they didn’t tinker lantern price.If Sky gave ads then they would care about how many ppl play.But they don't earn thrru ads. Simple business.
stark cloud
Really hope TGC will nerf ghastly at Trial of Fire on live version..it to overpowered..RIP moths
spark lance
Am I the only one who is getting sad now for the players who can't afford to buy an Adventure Pass because of the changes even though they are still planning it?
spring yoke
Ok but I’m excited for this season to finally come out in live!!
the trials are just. MWAH! I love the black and white tone and the thinking we have to do! It’s really something new in sky and I love it so much.. (- fire trial I haven’t passed since the trial update 💔)
spark lance
all I'm asking for is for ts to be a day or so cheaper so i can afford to sleep in for a night and not worry about it so much yk
maybe ease off of making returning ts that came before android more expensive or something idk,, just kind of unfair uhm yeah that's my shortened chat peice.
orchid nexus
TGC makes money on sales, not on number of players, but it does not equate to not caring about how many players, or the quality of player experience.
spark lance
Really hope TGC will nerf ghastly at Trial of Fire on live version..it to overpowered..RIP moths
@stark cloud HDHFJF GHASTLY
signal ingot
Double candles event every week once a month can reduce the stressful grinding too
@dim lagoon Slightly unrelated to the traveling spirit discussion going on but even with double seasonal candles, it's still just routine. Getting candles is starting to become a tiring routine for me and probably for many other players as well. Going back to the central discussion right now, I agree that double candles might help with the stressful grinding but in the end, the prices are still increasing slowly. Soon, that might not be enough too
lost grail
But there is also a high chance it will. The deep call thing had so much backlash and made it in. We shall see tho
@wanton canopy Please no
red perch
And one thing, if from now on everyone need AP to purchase TS, then one day there will be no more TS, because everyone already have it during the season, you won't get to see the spirit await to relieve anymore
neon gust
yeah honestly tho..i really love sky as a game but not the way how there are so many exclusive items that are only offered to be purchased with real money. As a student who's broke, I really feel excluded most of the time whenever it gets to APs or any other cosmetics that needs to be purchased
wanton canopy
^^^
summer sundial
Ah my original message was lost in the big paragraph onslaught: I have a genuine question...I want to change something with my discount idea. Can I send my message again in feedback? The main idea is still the same but I have made modifications. Am I allowed to send it again?** I apologize if I seem spammy. I waited for a bit so it wouldn't look like that **
eager fulcrum
@eager fulcrum remember the big revolution when they removed the ability to see other unlit kids when calling? It died out. And I’m afraid they will do the same now. These two are very different fields of skylife but I’m still scared of the possibility of tgc becomin yoinky piggies and forget why their game is such a cool gig to start with
@atomic vortex i really hope that won’t be the case.. i really don’t want them to become like ea/the sims team aka ignoring what players really want and their feedback, making things no one wants, and demanding high prices. i’ve already quit playing the sims mainly for that reason
worn gate
im just a little worried about this new system because in retrospect, i have no spare money to spend on the adventure pass for the season of prophecy when it comes to live, let alone for a new travelling spirit system. my town is still recovering from a hurricane, for context. but even other people just cant generally afford extra stuff like this.
amber umbra
i really hope that won’t be the case.. i really don’t want them to become like ea/the sims team aka ignoring what players really want and their feedback, making things no one wants, and demanding high prices
@eager fulcrum or god forbid, blizzard >.>
amber hornet
Reminder that they (probably) aren't going to read here, so put your toughts on #beta-feedback!
elder hatch
i feel this change is less about money grabbing than it is about fairness. i myself didnt purchase some of the previous seasons, and i am completely fine with not being able to get their AP-locked cosmetics with regular candles. if anything, id just stick to getting the free cosmetics that i like from whichever TS arrives
ancient tusk
Plot twist: TGC released only 1 rhythm spirit because they wanted to implement this system
orchid nexus
As a player who has paid for some but not every thing in Sky, I love having other kinds of players around. Not so I can flex my 
but because I meet cool friends who are fun to play with
neon gust
I'm just going to hope that this new system wont go live😔
radiant drum
Remember to say why you feel a certain way when sharing your feedback. It might be hard to find the right words, and it's okay to take some time to really think about it. It's important to express your reasoning so TGC can understand how you feel
inland zephyr
I been running for like 2 and a half ? 3? months now and went from 30 candles (starting point) to currently 738 candles,,
I held so much restraint on items I know I won't use, patiently waiting for the next spirit (hoping for kiss and juggle spirit) but but what if I never get to spend on them cos they're locked 🥺🥺
proper helm
Everything from beta goes live from what we have seen from last updates
static hamlet
I thought the update said only the items originally acquired with an AP would require a current or future season AP....doesn’t that just mean the (2) ultimate gifts for the season? What am I missing?
stark cloud
I think if those things go to live..pants will be so rare
grave jetty
The weird thing is that the proposed system actually works out to be a lot cheaper for many people: $10 every couple of months for the AP, instead of $20-50 per spirit for candle packs. That's a major loss for TGC even if nobody leaves, just because it amounts to a huge discount. A better approach would be to offer discounts for AP holders while still letting nonholders use candles as they did before. Everyone wins: rich players get some privilege in the form of having to pay less, broke players can continue paying in effort instead of money to get all the same stuff, and because any player can still fall short, TGC mostly preserves the candle-pack business.
orchid nexus
pants are already rare
fluid quail
I like rare
amber umbra
I thought the update said only the items originally acquired with an AP would require a current or future season AP....doesn’t that just mean the (2) ultimate gifts for the season? What am I missing?
@static hamlet that would include all the items on the left side of the trees as well, the ones with the symbol of the season
wanton canopy
I feel quite lucky to have the pänt
safe swan
It’s like collecting some vintage stuff
sullen oasis
I hope next season the ultimate reward will be pants 👌
rare glade
The weird thing is that the proposed system actually works out to be a lot cheaper for many people: $10 every couple of months for the AP, instead of $20-50 per spirit for candle packs. That's a major loss for TGC even if nobody leaves, just because it amounts to a huge discount. A better approach would be to offer discounts for AP holders while still letting nonholders use candles as they did before. Everyone wins: rich players get some privilege in the form of having to pay less, broke players can continue paying in effort instead of money to get all the same stuff, and because any player can still fall short, TGC mostly preserves the candle-pack business.
@grave jetty few people buy those candle packs
spark lance
i really like your thinking xehrebec
eager fulcrum
^ (asura) yeah i think people prefer grinding. like i’ve said, sky has been “you want this? you gotta work for it” and that’s perfectly fine with me
cinder summit
i mean, grinding gives a reason to play the game
wooden kettle
The weird thing is that the proposed system actually works out to be a lot cheaper for many people: $10 every couple of months for the AP, instead of $20-50 per spirit for candle packs. <continued>
@grave jetty but what about the candle run tho, I've completed all my Traveling Spirits only by Candle runs, that always works.
I've never spent money ingame
kindred bluff
we have an option to become stinkies in our room from 24/7 candle running 7 days a week
orchid nexus
none of us have player data to analyze. that's part of why I keep saying: speak to your own experience, not assumptions or guesses about "most" people
livid ridge
Aw man the new traveling spirit update confused me
frank raptor
“I’d like to think that we are using all those different inputs in a fair way,” he said. “And I hope that, generally speaking, the industry manages to shed some of its stigma around using data and free-to-play mechanics,” as stated by TGC's Tim Nixon. I really hope that Sky can continue to be largely free-to-play and gather players' feedback to test and change new systems.
proper helm
If this goes live players will drop from 50M to 10M again
amber umbra
@rare glade i think you would be surprised at how many do buy those candle packs. Whales and people with money or self control issues in general
lone thorn
Again?
wanton canopy
The current system isn't broke so why try and fix it
worn kelp
I can't keep my partner from spending all his money on candle packs every time there's a TS
exotic gorge
If this new system leads to new players being able to purchase AP to get the old ultimates after completing all the TS of an old AP then I’m all for it. It seems fair everyone should be able to get ultimates with purchase of AP as long as same requirements of getting original Ultimates are met
eager fulcrum
maybe tgc should do a survey to find out how many people buy candle packs, how many people can actively afford adventure passes, ect. it woukd be good information to have
orchid nexus
guesses about how it might affect 50M players might be less helpful than feedback on how it might affect you
rain delta
Oof I’m going back to live where this hasn’t been implemented yet and enjoy the current system... byeee
spark lance
Really hope TGC will nerf ghastly at Trial of Fire on live version..it to overpowered..RIP moths
@stark cloud technically moths cannot play it without first unlocking at least 2 spirits from hidden forest.
By then they would've had some jist of how the game works
kindred bluff
it is up to you to decide if you want to break free from the candle run cycle blue pill or red pill?
spark lance
If I’m being honest, I gotta respectfully disagree with those who say the ultimate gifts shouldn’t come back in respect to those who worked hard, the thing is, android players didn’t even get the chance to work hard for them
proper helm
If this new system leads to new players being able to purchase AP to get the old ultimates after completing all the TS of an old AP then I’m all for it. It seems fair everyone should be able to get ultimates with purchase of AP as long as same requirements of getting original Ultimates are met
@exotic gorge why not release ultimates at a cheaper price instead of getting people to buy passes again?
coral flume
If people find it stressful to grind, they can take a break. Ts can return. It's not a necessary to grind. It's totally up to them. I don't see a need to change the system :/
frank raptor
The current system isn't broke so why try and fix it
@wanton canopy if it ain't broke, don't fix it
woeful urchin
Why are they stressing about CRs tho like people paid the AP to get the same cosmetics during that season while we waited for that spirit and basically have it come for free bc well, candles. Sure it may be difficult to CR everyday but it does keep me motivated to join friends and play sky for fun. While candle running and finding new places I can sneak into 👀
livid ridge
The traveling spirit system update eems oki except for the "pre-order" part, it's not like everyone can buy it :'(
wanton canopy
I shal not be able to meet as many month friends if everyone quits
fiery sun
Several people are typing in beta-feedback
lunar rose
personally having to grind for candles for ts is one of the things that keeps me playing, otherwise i'd just drop off
stark cloud
I might buy all adventure pass after this(probably), so I'm ok with that system..
But for those who don't have pass, want buy cosmetic at ts..RIP my guy..rip for you
rare glade
The traveling spirit system update eems oki except for the "pre-order" part, it's not like everyone can buy it :'(
@livid ridge agree
tardy marsh
done yet?
no? ok ill come back later..
eager fulcrum
maybe tgc should do a survey to find out how many people buy candle packs, how many people can actively afford adventure passes, ect. it woukd be good information to have
@eager fulcrum i want to put this in feedback, but do i put it in beta feedback or live feedback
pale sable
cosmetics are cool and all and grinding is fun but after a while grinding feels more like a job.. i enjoy sky just to hang out with friends that i make and while some cosmetics i crave, cause they look cool..theyre also just..items. i mean i joined sky for it's friendship base but now a majority of my friends just wanna grind 24/7 and theres no fun to it anymore..sometimes i miss being a moth when i was clueless and bumped into walls learning to fly-
livid oak
I would like instead of making that change to those who have the Season Pass to give them some things from the travel spirits or that candle prices were cheaper, that would be better
spark lance
Can someone tell me what happened？
latent oar
@eager fulcrum beta of course! It's only announced on beta channel only
kindred bluff
haha beta chat go brrrr
thin wolf
Yeah like make a half price for them
orchid nexus
If everyone in home had a kazoo and could shout into their mic but it would get distorted into kazoo voice in-game, I would quit. THAT would ruin Sky.
sturdy anvil
What I'm most concerned is, many of my friends who used to come on Sky to grind will stop coming and I will meet them much less. We'll probably have to arrange hangouts few and far between even that I'm not usre how many will be interested in doing.Better find a new place to hang out together.
radiant drum
Discussion is happening right now regarding what was shared in #beta-announcements!
tardy dune
You know. I've seen Sky as a social grind. And I was totally okay with that
spark lance
@pale sable true, it’s just all about cosmetics now
#beta-discussion message
In addition to this, the Trials of Earth, Air and Fire will surely not be available until weeks after the Trial of Water in the live version.
moths and veterans alike will have the chance to play the Trial of Water many a times before embarking on the next sets of quests...
I believe this explains the easy-medium level of the first trial. It's to introduce the concept of the trials in itself... ||**That you must overcome and master the 4 elements to become the avatar **||
eager fulcrum
@eager fulcrum beta of course! It’s only announced on beta channel only
@latent oar yes but it doesn’t specifically apply to just this topic. i think it would be good information to have in general
lost grail
personally having to grind for candles for ts is one of the things that keeps me playing, otherwise i'd just drop off
@lunar rose Yeah! same for me. though I don't really buy the cosmetics that much cause I always run out of candles before even managing to complete the friendship tree
surreal night
Is tgc not making enough money to keep the game alive with the current ap and IAP?
livid ridge
You can make the cosmetics different color to know which one is the old and which one is the next instead of doing traveling spirit system in the update
amber umbra
If everyone in home had a kazoo and could shout into their mic but it would get distorted into kazoo voice in-game, I would quit. THAT would ruin Sky.
there was a guy doing basically that with the panflute to me the other day, playing the same high note over and over again until I left. If that happened every day, that would definitely ruin sky for me
orchid nexus
reminder in this time of intense severl people are typing...: quoting large blocks of text just to reply with one line will lead to your message getting deleted
potent pumice
The grind is what brought me and friends super close we would be doing runs and have a lot of time to discuss and talk to get to know each other.
kindred bluff
If everyone in home had a kazoo and could shout into their mic but it would get distorted into kazoo voice in-game, I would quit. THAT would ruin Sky.
@/alexdolly#0001
kazoo call pls
wanton canopy
I always liked the idea of changing the cosmetics slightly for when they return, it would probably be alot of work tho
sharp arrow
If you run new system of traveling sprits just make past seasons as DLC. You guys said " We thinks equality!" but when? When did you thought equality between newbies and oldbies? Don't pretend to be considerate players. It's more worse. Or just remove traveling sprits system.
rain delta
Is tgc not making enough money to keep the game alive with the current ap and IAP?
@surreal night I’m curious too, why else are they suggesting this? I feel like all the love, equality fluff is really just fluff... :( I want to know if the TS have impacted the AP pass purchases
thin wolf
Conclusion: Everyone hates the new travelling spirit mechanism
spark lance
Sums it up
rocky swallow
making $6 is already pretty hard to me man
orchid nexus
"everyone" is not someone any one of us can speak for.
lunar flame
Grinding for candles to buy the ts cosmetics is what keeps me playing too, but honestly i dont think tgc cares about that.... they dont make money from free players
wooden kettle
ok guys calm down this is just beta stuff, might never make it to live
also speak for yourself and don't generalise often
mental otter
conclusion: everyone has different opinions in this new ts system and we have to respect said opinions.
livid ridge
Just give the veteran players some special things as a gift instead of the new system please,
I'm begging you
spark lance
@spark lance sneak in beta updates, they thinkin of makin some of ts stuff available only for those who have current season pass
@atomic vortex Thank u,I see
kindred bluff
i just hope we get more multiplayer minigames like simon says or tag thats it thats all
radiant drum
There's a few dozen people in this channel, thousands of people in the testing program and several million players in the game. Saying everyone shares your particular view is pretty bold
surreal night
@rain delta it does make me curious to think, why would people care to buy adventure pass if they can just play free and still get cool cosmetics
sharp arrow
If you need money than make past sesons as DLC and remove traveling sprits. I don't want to buy pass for random traveling sprits!
rare glade
The only positive of the new mechanism is the intention to farm less.
wanton canopy
Why do I now want a sky kazoo call
willow garnet
at the end of the day, sky is about developing friendship with others. the cosmetics are just.. well.. virtual cosmetics..? no need to get stressed out over it
worn gate
waiting until the live players to complain about an update might not be fun for us though haha
harsh sandal
pale sable
i guess imo: sky's core value was to bring people together and become friends..that took a turn though because it became grind heavy and the cosmetic gap between "veterans" and "moths" got big and i mean- this new system? i kind of understand where TGC is coming from but im not gonna take this too seriously. it may not make it to live anyhow and it's just wasted energy to try and cover everyone elses feelings but yourself both sides have a reason for why this was brought to testing and why to like or dislike it.
fluid quail
@rain delta it does make me curious to think, why would people care to buy adventure pass if they can just play free and still get cool cosmetics
not everyone likes to wait, sorry for the pinggggg
orchid nexus
Please read all my messages from this point on in kazoo voice.
wintry root
I want the ultimate gifs back if this system comes to the live servers :D
stark cloud
Man..that fire boi is huge..
amber umbra
Alright y’all, on the positive and hilarious note of a proposed Sky kazoo call, I’m tapping out for the night. Sneep snorp time 
spark lance
Kazoo call, I would simply pass away
eager fulcrum
alright goodbye everyone remember everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone has different experiences. please try to understand everyone’s point of view, and be civil
livid ridge
If the ultimate gift comes back,
Boi
There shall be war 
spark lance
Just give the veteran players some special things as a gift instead of the new system please,
I'm begging you
@livid ridge isn't bragging rights and new players instantly proposing to you already a gift on its own?
I have one sole friend from season 1 who visits me and my friends (and even joins us in cr sometimes), or simply to hug me, and everyone adores the said friend, especially when she comes in her deerk mask and shows off (playfully and humbly) her bonfire and jelly umbrella
thin wolf
Actually not everyone can afford and want to buy the new adventure pass
grand swift
Wth, they'll changed the travelling spirit system? You'll need a pass to purchase sth on a TS tree?
digital totem
So now if we want a ts we must buy the adv pass first of that ts?
rocky swallow
the fun part of sky is grinding with friends.. you basically hang out w them while grinding candles, that's it, that's the point of playing, that's the fun part of sky.. if the new ts system gets implemented then sky will lose its fun and ppl will leave the game
rain delta
@surreal night which is why this new system MAKES sense. It’s just bringing back the TS as they were in their seasons - the AP lock and all. so technically, to all the people who’s primary argument was that they missed the season because they found the game late. they would get the same things as someone who would have gotten them playing free, when the season was live.
But instead I think the argument here is more “I want all items for free after a certain amount of time”
wanton canopy
But the cosmetics are a huge part of the game to loads of people, so brushing them off and saying they're not that important is abit bold
tardy dune
Maybe, introduce a week long once-a-month Double Candle events to lessen the "grindy feel"
summer sundial
Nah we don't need kazoo call...we need it as an instrument. I wanna rickroll players with the kazoo
rich kite
If this thing about the ts and adventure pass goes in live I'm gonna uninstall the game :)))
It's unfair, I will never spend real money for a mobile game :))
but tgc doesn't care, does it? :)
radiant drum
@harsh sandal please keep messages in english!
orchid nexus
I will say it again: triangle instrument. one key on the keyboard.
kindred bluff
alexdolly: "brrt bzzt bzz btt bsss bzzt baa bzza bzzrt"
tulip oyster
why is this discussion suddenly about kazoo now lol
wooden kettle
many be sayin "everyone can't buy the AP" -don't do this, you can't vouch for them all the time
in personal opinion I don't buy the pass because I feel its not quite useful (and only I am saying this unless someone else says this themselves)
spark lance
Omg Alex u really like that 
sturdy anvil
Okay you have finished constellations, now you have a bunch of candles which you can't buy your desired cosmetics with.Why do you think a player should keep on ginding and comning to sky?To meet my mates?my playing time is correlated with how my mates play.If they move away from Sky so will I.Sky was good while it lasted. I'll say that much.
mental otter
this is beta. it can come to live, it cannot. right now, it's still in testing. better to test it out here and form a final opinion afterwards!
orchid nexus
It's only the second time I said it M
livid ridge
Well, let's see how this goes first, guys sips dark water in wasteland
thin wolf
Actually its okay if they increase the price more for players. Just make them accessible.
Then half price for ap holders
pale sable
the fun part of sky is grinding with friends.. you basically hang out w them while grinding candles, that's it, that's the point of playing, that's the fun part of sky.. if the new ts system gets implemented then sky will lose its fun and ppl will leave the game
@rocky swallow
i agree to a point but after a while you can't even just hang out and do goofy things with your friends because it's grind for about 2 weeks, TS then back at it again. it's fun for the start then slowly it feels like a job almost, you don't have to grind but a majority of friends i made, from moth to just an average player, its everyday to grind, hop off, repeat.
grand swift
the fun part of sky is grinding with friends.. you basically hang out w them while grinding candles, that's it, that's the point of playing, that's the fun part of sky.. if the new ts system gets implemented then sky will lose its fun and ppl will leave the game
@rocky swallow i agree, they alr make money on the expensives IAP i hope they won't implement that cuz like u said ppl will lose interest on the game
spark lance
But the cosmetics are a huge part of the game to loads of people, so brushing them off and saying they're not that important is abit bold
@wanton canopy exactly u literally GRIND since u star the game to get things, the ultimate reward for a constellation it’s a cosmetics so yeah they are part of the game
silver bridge
What’s this about trongle instruments? 👀
orchid nexus
oof quote blocks again
digital totem
Well if the new system actually arrived at live version
I gave up on sky, i just want to play a nice calming game and not a game based i have to throw my money everywhere
rocky swallow
tgc already gets lots of money from candle purchases, iap events, adventure passes etc, if they gonna make traveling spirits require money too then what's the point of playing..
wanton canopy
The cosmetics are what got me to keep playing the game in the first place
surreal night
@rain delta exactly, idk I see both sides to this argument. Even if this is implemented and you are free to play and you uninstall the game did you even really care about Sky and were you even contributing?
fiery sun
I met a lot of veterans and moths through grinding, collecting candles and running through realms! If people are just gonna buy pass and not grind anymore...
proper helm
Well everything from beta goes live ultimately even after lots of feedback @mental otter
elder turret
hello i need know what hairs are free without any spoils please? can we help me?
spark lance
Mmm triangle
rustic quartz
I-I'm a live player, just checking this channel out to see if the rumors were true and uh... 
mom pick me up I'm scared— I'm gonna go home to live channels now bye—
spark lance
tgc already gets lots of money from candle purchases, iap events, adventure passes etc, if they gonna make traveling spirits require money too then what's the point of playing.. @rocky swallow yes they get money but that's simply business.
Remember that as the maps and the market grow, the more people the need to hire and possibly even longer work hours
You talked about it last night in gen chat too Alex wow damn slowmo
kindred bluff
how many people are here from the general chat who dont have beta
mental otter
@proper helm seraph has mentioned hours ago that there have been many things in beta that has been scrapped. so there's still a chance this goes into live or it doesn't, it all depends on the players' feedback
orchid nexus
@surreal night there are more than 2 sides, and there's no need to cut down another person's expression
lunar rose
funnily enough if i didn't have friends i wouldn't grind. the socialization and personal work sort of play off each other for me, one doesn't work without the other 
sturdy anvil
@elder turret @rustic quartz I like your pfps
severe sluice
guys, the invisible fren bug made it to live
edit: the slowmode
eager fulcrum
funnily enough if i didn't have friends i wouldn't grind. the socialization and personal work sort of play off each other for me, one doesn't work without the other
@lunar rose grinding with friends also makes it so much easier! i def recommend going on cr with at least one. ok NOW i’m going LOL
rain delta
@surreal night and I think the other problem is around people who say “I’ll never spend money on a game”
If you were someone who did spend money on the pass, what would you think listening to this?Personally if I had spent money, I would end up feeling bad and more annoyed, further insisting that not everyone get items for free.
little hound
someone said this channel is on fire.
wanton canopy
Honestly unpopular opinion but I'd play sky if it were a single player game
tulip oyster
aaannnd we wont know what charvee would say for two min. - wait charvee edited lol
stark cloud
But what more important..can we throw pokeball to that ghastly fuzzy red eyes at Trial of Fire?
I want that to be my pet
rocky swallow
@rain delta me tooo
digital totem
I feel bad for some player that only want to play for free and enjoying the grinding candles
Especially some childrens—
humble raft
i was hesitating on sharing my thoughts because i don't usually talk here here's what i think so far, it may change once the testing can start properly.
i do prefer the current ts system. i'm actually feeling quite burnt out by candle running every day because i joined later. but at least ts can can repeat - there is still the chance it will come back. it's a want for cosmetics rather than a need anyway, i believe my mental health should come first - irl before sky.
that being said, from what i understand, i think they are trying to lessen the load on players who have to grind for both the season completion and for ts. but a paywall is something i don't agree with since not everyone can afford it, i would prefer if it items were at a discounted price of candles for those with ap for the current season or even those with the ap for the season of the ts. those without ap will have the regular candle prices.
at the end of the day i don't think there will ever be a "perfect" system since there will always be people who will be unhappy but what matters now is that everyone can put in their feedback so that they are heard and will be taken into consideration - rather than being sad over a decision made that they could have contributed to
kindred bluff
charvee said guys and the world stopped turning for like 2 seconds
tranquil robin
I love the routine of candle runs but tbh i only do it for the TS ..
teal compass
Hmm I don’t like the current AP getting tied with past seasons. Feels like even tho I wouldn’t purchase the season pass, I need to ‘gamble’ and buy it anyways ‘in case’ I missed a TS with an item I liked. Hence, I only purchase items that I love, and has no chance factor (not a fan of gacha for instance). It feels like being pressured to get a pass if they change it.
rich kite
It would have been more honest if they said "hey! You have the pass, don't you? You get these items for free! No candles requied! If you don't have the AP you can still purchase the items with normal candles" (prices are high already)
orchid nexus
@humble raft thanks for sharing, and please send to #beta-feedback as well
lone thorn
I agree, if my friends stopped playing in Sky i would have stopped as well. I remember playing back on early 2020 but then uninstall not long after because i don't have friends at the time and it got boring very fast.
proper helm
Season completion isn't that much of a grind I think.. Cuz U only need to get the candle bunches and finish the daily quests
wanton canopy
I love ubering people on candle runs sm! I get to meet new people every day
spark lance
I love the routine of candle runs but tbh i only do it for the TS ..
@tranquil robin I have a friend who has almost all items from all seasons and has completed all 6 constellations.
He still grinds daily only to use the candles to upgrade his friends and send hearts
severe sluice
oops sorry, I forgot about the slowmode, but the invisble friend bug in sanctuary has come to live
surreal night
I'm sorry @orchid nexus just seems kinda meh sorry don't mean to cut anyone down just seems rage filled instead of calm and collect. I said in another chat even though this doesn't effect me it doesn't sit right with me. Seems like a vast majority doesn't like this change so doubt it'll make it to live just like ultimate gift exchange. @rain delta
grand swift
The f2p players rely on the TS so they can come up with veterans, removing the TS being overall free will make them lose interest anymore
thorny fulcrum
I dont get it... So did the candle cost of upcoming ts will change or not?
grave jetty
oops sorry, I forgot about the slowmode, but the invisble friend bug in sanctuary has come to live
@severe sluice
Yep. Got hit by it too. Report it as a live bug.
brazen bone
oops sorry, I forgot about the slowmode, but the invisble friend bug in sanctuary has come to live
@severe sluice what is that :0
rain delta
@atomic vortex The new system literally brings the spirits back as they were AP locked in the original season - you can still get the items they were offering for free - for free. But the items that were AP locked would be AP locked... I’m just saying, this is fair to people who did spend money on the game.. and for those who would never spend money on a game. This is fair too
worn kelp
I don't think items really can be considered "free" when they cost 14+ hours worth of playing, it's soooo rewardingggg to complete a TS in the current system! Besides, if they're too expensive for you and you don't have time to grind, you can buy candle packs or save up for a TS you really want and wait for it to visit...
kindred bluff
i dont have a problem with either system, but if you still have to pay candles/hearts for the season locked items in their list then thats just baloney
i noticed the emote upgrade still needed 6(?) hearts to unlock as well as the season pass but i dont have enough AC to go up the list
tranquil robin
The f2p players rely on the TS so they can come up with veterans, removing the TS being overall free will make them lose interest anymore
@grand swift literally though .... TS is all thats keeping me into the game rn i wouldnt play if that wasnt a thing anymore 😭
lusty light
None of the things about traveling spirits that are happening in beta right now have anything to do with live
teal compass
Remember...some f2p players eventually become paying players. Just because someone doesn’t pay within a time period, doesn’t mean they aren’t considering paying for something in the future.
lunar flame
I dont get it... So did the candle cost of upcoming ts will change or not?
@thorny fulcrum
I just saw it too, but i dont have ac to unlock and see all the travellers tree
sharp arrow
Paying is not problem. But I can't buy season pass for random traveling sprits. And don't pretend to be considerate players. If you need money then make DLC as past seasons and remove Traveling Sprits!
spark lance
Oh was the invisible friend in sanc a bug? I thought it was just a samsung thing
orchid nexus
This change has only just been announced, is not ready to go live, is not guaranteed to go live. If you feel strongly, stick around, try it out, and give feedback as you go. It will help, even if not every one of us is satisfied in the end.
little hound
What are yall talking about. Can somebody walk me through.
fluid quail
mlkis why u no care about this system? cuz i already have all spirits/cosmetics I just need those wing buffs although I trust tgc with whatever so good luck with this new system.
thin wolf
ancient tusk
What are yall talking about. Can somebody walk me through.
@little hound #beta-announcements
mental otter
mm there goes the quote walls again
heavy hearth
Let's all just hope this is only on beta. Because it is indeed very useful on beta🌚
humble raft
oh yeah sorry if i send my thoughts in #beta-faq will it automatically be deleted or does a bot send it through? sorry i haven't used it before
elder hatch
some of arguments brought up against the new TS system:
- 'defeats' purpose of TS since they were 'brought back for those who missed it'. however the point here is that they were brought back for those who missed it, not to make cosmetics that were obtained using real life cash be now obtainable with in game currency. it makes perfect sense for AP-locked items to remain AP-locked when they are brought back again.
- 'elitism' against new players over 'just some cosmetics'. if you refer to them as ''just some cosmetics', then the same logic applies to your argument - if they are just some cosmetics, why are you so eager to obtain them?
- calling TGC greedy is, i feel, a huge overstatement (with regards to this change, at least). they literally let previous season cosmetics come back to be purchaseable. people bought AP-locked cosmetics with actual money, and with the old system, to let players obtain them with in-game currency is aboslutely unheard of in any of the games ive played so far. you can argue that you spent time instead of money getting those cosmetics and i agree with that, but i feel calling this new system 'greedy' isnt warranted
rain delta
@grand swift if it was AP locked the first time, then it’ll be AP locked this time too. ;\ if it wasn’t AP locked the first time, like the earth cape in this season, when the earth prophet comes back, it won’t be AP locked either.
gilded parrotBOT
prophet clone reporting for duty! 
spark lance
Skybot,,oh skybot
radiant drum
in #beta-feedback your message will be deleted and skybot will let you know it has been sent. If they don't for some reason, please send it again as it might've eaten it with so many reports coming in
lean drum
I propose that at least tgc should give us the opportunity to choose the traveler and it would be more convenient idk
I'm a little angry
tacit stone
Which rock went to Sanctuary for vacation?
surreal night
Wait someone just said this helps beta cause it makes ts cheaper in beta, this could ultimately be good for beta testers to get ts more easy in beta. BETAAA
summer sundial
I propose that at least tgc should give us the opportunity to choose the traveler and it would be more convenient idk
I'm a little angry
@lean drum Perhaps a set of potential spirits and then we vote on discord?
limpid nova
im confusion theres a new ts system?
humble raft
ahh thanks for the explanation mirian! here i was wondering why the feedback channel was so empty
eager ferry
I propose that at least tgc should give us the opportunity to choose the traveler and it would be more convenient idk
I'm a little angry
@lean drum we would just be getting the same TS over and over again since not everybody has enough candles to get the entire TS in 3 days
teal compass
I just don’t like the randomness of the TS, if we needed to buy the AP to get AP exclusives. It feels deceptive to me bc I’m not certain what I will be getting within 2-3 months.
stark cloud
Ts kinda sus
lost grail
GAHH WRONG QUOTE 
Sorry to whoever I pinged
worn kelp
But if we vote on discord, unpopular TS might never come back again - what if the 2 most popular ts will just keep alternating?
proper helm
Well.. If this thing goes live, a lot of players would play only during seasons and get the free seasonal items instead of grinding everyday
spark lance
Why just season of belonging things?
And we also must consider that not everyone has access to discord
tacit stone
But if we vote on discord, unpopular TS might never come back again - what if the 2 most popular ts will just keep alternating?
@worn kelp Ewwwww ikr! 😂
orchid nexus
thankfully, this is not a democracy. TGC makes the ultimate choice, and will be better informed with our honest and constructive feedback
rain delta
@atomic vortex that was my argument first too, but the more I listened to people here, the more I felt it was fair what they were proposing. Trust me, I get this too, but at the same time, I feel for people who have spent real money, real money, into the game. The game never gives back anything of material value — at least not material value in the real world, so what about people who spent that real money into buying these cosmetics? I’d be very frustrated and annoyed to hear someone say “I’d never spend money in a game” what would that make people who do spend money? I feel bad for them.. and thinking of it in their shoes this is how I feel
Thinking of it in the shoes of f2p players or people like me who couldn’t afford the pass, I get the current TS system and I like it and I don’t want this new change.
It’s hard to appease both sides it really is...
eager ferry
I sort of like the randomness. Because even if unpopular TS' come back, somebody will be happy
summer sundial
But if we vote on discord, unpopular TS might never come back again - what if the 2 most popular ts will just keep alternating?
@worn kelp I see your point. Thanks for the take.
little hound
Wait a sec. I can’t understand the #beta-announcements TS system.
mental otter
picking a traveling spirit seems like it's not a good idea. it might cause arguments because the ts they voted for didn't win, and like everyone else said, not all traveling spirits can return because of popular demand. + what blue said that not everyone has access to discord.
tranquil robin
maybe there could be a vote for the spirit like in the same way they did the survey ?
like put the link on all social media and the discord
spark lance
why are we talking about unpopular ts again?
woeful urchin
Exactly, the discord is a problem, not to mention we kinda...? Should be grateful that TGC even bothers to bring these spirits back lol
lean drum
@eager ferry Yes, but it would not be something that changes a lot, because in each selection there will be a different one, there should be a section where people can choose it
ancient tusk
some of arguments brought up against the new TS system:
- 'defeats' purpose of TS since they were 'brought back for those who missed it'. however the point here is that they were brought back for those who missed it, not to make cosmetics that were obtained using real life cash be now obtainable with in game currency. it makes perfect sense for AP-locked items to remain AP-locked when they are brought back again.
- 'elitism' against new players over 'just some cosmetics'. if you refer to them as ''just some cosmetics', then the same logic applies to your argument - if they are just some cosmetics, why are you so eager to obtain them?
@elder hatch it doesn't make paying for the adventure pass an advantage but separates the f2p players from p2p players. AKA 1st, 2nd class player separation.
orchid nexus
From my point of view, the randomness of TS in live means people are constantly preparing in the hope they get one they like.
heavy hearth
@elder hatch I agree but I don't agree. I haven't read anyone saying TGC is greedy, because they are indeed not. What makes this game special is that TGC wants everyone to get the same cosmetics either you payed for AP or not. Yes, other games rarely do this, this is why this game never gave me a headache. If TGC ever implemented this ts system, then they should've done it on the start.
tardy dune
okay slightly off topic, but is ultimate reward of the mask still impossible to get without illegitimate means?
just saw someone with the pants and mask. report or no?
radiant drum
If something is being tested in beta, and was announced recently, discussions here is bound to happen
sturdy anvil
Yes TGC owns Sky, if they make a decision you don't like find another game.Enough said.TGC is gaming company so are EA sports, and others who gotta make money.
rustic quartz
wait, before I leave, I just wanted to say this: everyone who has timezones where it's night rn, I hope you sleep well, despite whatever opinions or emotions you hold.
ultimately, I think most of us can agree that we dearly love Sky, and wish for it and TGC to flourish as they've always been. With that, I hope ya'll take care of your mental health first, and remember: bad times are just times that are bad.
now excuse me as I run to live channels for real now—
slim kayak
Not every player knows to look on social media for info, some players only have the motd to go off of. Voting for a ts on discord doesn't let everyone choose what comes back. I'd prefer to keep it random
eager ferry
I stand by that TS' should be random. 
It's more fun like that
tacit stone
Picking a TS is the worst thing to happen in Sky. What about diversity? What about an open world? What about a world where everyone can be themselves uniquely?
gilded parrotBOT
to find the traveler, ||seek out the shelter on the other side to find the warmth of a fire||
desert mango
What about the people who have grinded and saved up candles already... this means candles become worthless.....also when that season pass was bought for them items we had to go through the season to get all the cosmetics..collecting seasonal candles.... ...I don’t think it’s the right move.... so what do I do with my 1k candles now ? ... not happy .... I think you should pay money and candles ...,Sky is about candle runs .,, now what do the people who have completed the constellations already do now ??? No more candle run means no more gameplay ,.. wrong move
radiant drum
This server has around 160k members, the game has 50 million downloads lol
Dropped a k 
summer sundial
160 members pog
rain delta
@desert mango same bro ;-; I grinded and now I have a ton of candles rip
orchid nexus
all 160 members are in this channel right now
tranquil robin
I would like to keep it random too, the surprise is what makes it special, like whos it gonna be ? whos it gonna be 🤩
rare glade
Exactly, the discord is a problem, not to mention we kinda...? Should be grateful that TGC even bothers to bring these spirits back lol
@woeful urchin If you have to pay for them, there is nothing to be thankful for
little hound
Okay I read it again. Please enlighten me.
From my understanding, we can’t buy TS unless we bought the AP from whichever season they came from?
lean drum
Please listen to us more and interact with the community and give us the option to comment
stark cloud
160 people kinda sus
green marsh
you need the AP from the current season to get previously AP exclusive items (i think)
sturdy anvil
Ts is hella sus
thorn cedar
It feels deceptive to me bc I’m not certain what I will be getting within 2-3 months.
@teal compass
But you can still get all the items of the current season without waiting for ts and spending candles and hearts to redeem them.
woeful urchin
@woeful urchin If you have to pay for them, there is nothing to be thankful for
@rare glade i was basically replying to somebody else qwq but i don’t agree with the new AP system at all
humble raft
man feels like yesterday we hit 60 members on this server
ancient tusk
Not every player knows to look on social media for info, some players only have the motd to go off of. Voting for a ts on discord doesn't let everyone choose what comes back. I'd prefer to keep it random
@slim kayak the funny thing is, TGC said it was random(players don't know what's coming beforehand) not RNG(devs also don't know what's coming) so devs get to decide what ts comes next and they can technically call it 'random'
grand swift
Majority of the players here are bloody rich and can afford any expensive IAP in this game, just leave the TS as what it is for the f2p players
oak scaffold
We want portrait mode on android. 😫
tacit stone
People who want certain TS will nvr stop complaining. You see, if all ur fav TS came back, you will still complain because the rest less fav will come too eventually. TS is a cycle bruh.
zinc prawn
Majority of the players here are bloody rich and can afford any expensive IAP in this game, just leave the TS as what it is for the f2p players
@grand swift thats kind of a big claim to say, you dont know that :")
orchid nexus
@lean drum this community has all the things you just mentioned. TGC is a very small company, and they do an amazing job (I'm biased, but this is true) at listening to the community
desert mango
Sky is about candle run... your telling me I have bought all these passes for cosmetics and now ur taking the game away ....
limpid nova
oh nuuusss
with the new system my grinded candles will mostly be useless
but ultimately it IS tgcs decision, and i guess well just have to adjust to it
mental otter
@little hound we can't get the ts cosmetics unless we buy the ap from the current season. in this case, the season of prophecy adventure pass
potent heron
I would not miss grinding candles. Its hours a day that I could spend hanging out with people in Sky rather than running around the realms
slim kayak
The devs do listen! They lurk around all the time. But they also have their jobs and can't talk to us all the time
They pick numbers out of a hat for ts they have said that they need to line up a few spirits ahead of time so they can input them into the game, but which spirits come back are completely random. Why would they lie about that? They don't gain anything from lying
green marsh
how will that work outside of seasons? is if just the most recent one?
grand swift
@grand swift thats kind of a big claim to say, you dont know that :")
@zinc prawn from what i exp from playing since Enchantment and from this discord almost everyone can buy any IAP tgc has to offer.
warped brook
I don’t know whether support the new system or not
rain delta
I mean we can still grind for those candles... we’ll just be able to get the items that were free during the original season that TS was in... it wouldn’t be that bad :’(
elder hatch
@heavy hearth yes i agree with what you said in your last sentence 100%. in fact i believe that is the sole reason why theres so much uproar going on right now, which is pretty unfortunate since i love TGC and hate to see so much backlash theyre getting.
tacit stone
This is niche but does anyone ever thought TGC gave more than they can for free and now they r actually regaining the balance? It has totally no ad, free cosmetics, free constellation and free certain season items.
spark lance
I guess it doesnt matter what happens to ts, sky was fine before they existed
radiant drum
Off-seasons is mentioned in #beta-announcements:
For the Traveling Spirits that visit in between Seasons, those items will require pre-ordering the upcoming new Season’s Adventure Pass.
lean drum
@orchid nexus What they do is not enough yet
orchid nexus
Also if anyone here is feeling stressed by the outpouring of emotions, remember: situations like this are self-selecting for people who have strong feelings. People who are indifferent or ambivalent may be a large majority, but they're not here shouting about their ambivalence.
sullen oasis
This topic is still going on?
stark cloud
I might do candle run and reach 2000 candles in live
radiant drum
@lean drum how do you think they could improve?
desert mango
Take away candle runs then sky will just not be the same .... not happy
radiant drum
This is a serious question, I'm sure they would love to hear it
little hound
Thanks @mental otter!
By “buy”, you mean actually buying from the shop? Does that mean the friends who were gifted with the AP can’t buy the upcoming TSs?
ancient tusk
The devs do listen! They lurk around all the time. But they also have their jobs and can't talk to us all the time
They pick numbers out of a hat for ts
@slim kayak Gain, dunno, more money by withholding rhythm spirits and therefore making more people by the pass? *With the new system
spark lance
Idk if someone already asked this but so even if you bought prophecy you still pay candles to get the ts cosmetics that require AP?
radiant drum
Right now, they consider player feedback and offer #beta-feedback as a place for us to submit our thoughts, as well as discuss it here with other players. Devs quite frequently chat here too
zinc prawn
Most definitely not. Not "everyone" can afford the IAPs and APs , don't speak for other people.
lilac solstice
I honestly think this takes away from what a ts is. It's coming back so you have a chance to get the cosmetics again. But with this new system implemented, it just ruins that.
eager ferry
how can people think TGC is greedy like, come on guys you know better than this
limpid nova
idk personally ive been an f2p for years now because it is literally impossible for me to spend money
even if i do one day have the ability to do so, i doubt ill ever change my f2p ways. part of the reason i love sky is because i can grind for the stuff i CAN access and it leaves me satisfied to know i worked for them
teal compass
@thorn cedar you’re assuming my spending decisions
stark cloud
@spark lance at beta yes..need AP and buy using candle/heart..double spending time brrr brrr
mental otter
@little hound i worded it wrong, apologies! by 'buy', i meant the cosmetics from the traveling spirit. and regarding the group passes— from my understanding, yes. according to the post in #beta-announcements , during offseasons, players will be able to get the cosmetics from the ts if they preorder it, so the ones who are gifted passes might not be able to get them.
worn kelp
I'm a paying player and I want people to be able to get what I'm paying for for free like right now. This game is very artistic and spending money on ethical companies is important to me. The current system is very fair to both imo
summer sundial
I looked away for like 2 seconds and now im lost
green marsh
i mean sky IS a free game and most likely what theyre making most of their income from so dont blame them for IAPs
desert mango
Candle runs are my daily sky life and I enjoy them so much ... that’s how me and my friends have so much fun ....😭😭😭😭😭
lean drum
But listen, it would be good if he implemented a survey in the discord or in social networks and they chose 4 travelers at random and if any of the rhythm falls, it will be reflected in how many votes he has
spark lance
U can still candle run, just use the candles for friendship and spells instead
again, not everyone has access to discord @lean drum
Sky has millions of players worldwide
zinc prawn
The game being free to download is probably the best thing ever about Sky. TGC has to earn income somehow so don't ever say they are "greedy".
spark lance
@spark lance at beta yes..need AP and buy using candle/heart..double spending time brrr brrr
@stark cloud wow this is nonsense
radiant drum
Again, let's not react with negative emotes in someone's message guys. Saying why you disagree in your own message is friendlier and more constructive
sturdy anvil
We have more pressing matters going on than picking the next TS by Discord voting
orchid nexus
Polls are also self-selecting and often do a poor job at representing the feelings of the majority of players.
tranquil robin
maybe put a link in the MOTD for some time ? not saying i like the idea of voting for TS bc i dont but if it were to ever be a thing
sullen oasis
Everyone go sneep snorp
tacit stone
Can anyone tell me where the Isle Rock that went to vacation in Sanctuary?
eager ferry
Everyone go sneep snorp
@sullen oasis but.... but i just woke up???
gilded parrotBOT
#beta-discussion needs some SNEEP SNORP
slim kayak
Traveling spirits are random, I'm not entirely sure the method the design team uses to choose. We usually put together a couple months worth of the schedule together in advance. This allows us to add newer seasons' spirits into the rotation as seasons conclude and become eligible as Traveling Spirits, we also need to create things like assets for social media and whatnot.
Ktjn on traveling spirits and how they are chosen, just for more clarification
rain delta
@atomic vortex I’m telling you my opinion is completely split, I get both sides and therefore I have no idea what is the better option. Haha 😂 As someone who purchased a pass this season, my reason wasn’t the cosmetics (since I don’t really majority of them anyways), but I wanted to support the company... and yet, I won’t be able to all the time either and I came late into the seasons too and the Ts were my way of getting the older cosmetics
halcyon quail
Ok, I do feel like paying for items that people had to pay for it's fair.
What I think is not fair is that people who bought past seasonal AP knew what they were paying for.
We can't possibly predict ts and if you really want an AP only item of a ts you have to roll the wheel and hope that you get another ts that you want.
This feels like loot boxes as you pay for something that you don't know wether you will like or not.
pliant perch
is it a good idea to send your feedback in 2 parts because mine is over the limit and idk how to shorten it anymore.
radiant drum
Just try to keep in mind that as you are free to submit your feedback, so are thousands of other players and they will more often than not have a different opinion than you. In the end, the decision is up to TGC as well. Not doing what you want doesn't mean they don't offer the appropriate channels to submit that feedback and don't listen to their playerbase
mental otter
hmm. like i said beforehand, polls regarding traveling spirits isn't really beneficial to all. it'll be biased based on popular demand, and not all will be satisfied with what the winner of the poll will be. plus, not all players have social media! some might be restricted in using it, some might not be aware of it. we can't really force them to have social media platforms just to let them know that the traveling spirits are in a type of voting system. just my opinion though, you can totally disagree
spark lance
Omg agree 💯 with u @halcyon quail
ancient tusk
What I would like to ask the devs is if the TS system is actually RNG because it doesn't make sense that only 1 rhythm spirit has visited the sky kingdom for a few months. All they said was that it was random with doesn't equel RNG.
orchid nexus
remember the full value of the adventure pass would be retained, plus the additional value of traveling spirits
little hound
@mental otter oh my friend won’t be happy to hear this. I am going to gift her a pass once season opens in Live Version. But if it were me, I’m totally fine with the new TS system. TGC bringing back TS from previous seasons is already a huge privilege because other apps would never do this. What happened in that season stays in that season. So IDK, I might get hate for agreeing to the new TS system.
Also, is f2p = farm to play?
radiant drum
You can send it in 2 parts, or send a .txt or similar file in the feedback channels @pliant perch
stark cloud
I don't care what ts will come..but i hope 3 ts come at once..my skykid is hella rich
spark lance
But what doesnt seem fair is only belonging is pass locked. The other season passes were paid for too
desert mango
Really this ain’t right taking away candle runs....not everyone wants to stand around chatting all day in sky ...I did not buy all these cosmetics to have sky turn into a chat room
sharp arrow
Make past seasons as DLC and remove Traveling Sprits!!!!!!
potent heron
Can someone please explain the ts change. I'm having trouble understanding the update
radiant drum
I personally prefer a file so both feedback messages don't become lost with the long slowmode in-between
spark lance
what's a DLC?
turbid heart
@pliant perch i think numbering it would be ok (1/2)(2/2) or type it in a Note app and send a picture?
Nvm Mirian has already answered a better solution.
fiery sun
Make past seasons as DLC and remove Traveling Sprits!!!!!!
@sharp arrow if they remove travelling spirits, what's the point of grinding for candles? what's the point of venturing through the realms and meet friends?
tacit stone
Just providing another perspective. What about seeing TS as always a bonus item that we don deserve for free? Its given free for a moment, but it was not free in past seasons. Getting TS in AP is still a bonus, u already get what you paid for Prophecy and u didnt lose anything though?
teal compass
@halcyon quail Exactly, that’s what I was arguing too. If TGC wanted to switch to TS AP exclusives only, make sure the TS are known before a season so players can make informed purchase decisions. ofc that also removes the anticipation and the hype around TS. Most of my friends (who also pay for AP, office cape and other IAPs) only candle run for the TS.
dim lagoon
Downloadable content is dlc
rain delta
And I only ended up staying in this game because of the TS too, that is drop dead honesty. I don’t do all the CRs for all the realms, so I won’t burn out. I just do a couple and skip the ones I hate/don’t find fun to do.
radiant drum
In general, text is easier for the feedback to be read and shared to the rest of the team so sharing a screenshot of just text is discouraged
mental otter
how does sending a file in the feedback channel work? do you just simply send the link of the document there? i might do that instead to avoid letting any part of my text message get cut off
radiant drum
Yeah it's like sending an image
spark lance
I think u can send it by email no?
outer sentinel
Please correct me if I'm wrong. So, TS now is also IAP, which is adventure pass?
grave jetty
@sharp arrow if they remove travelling spirits, what's the point of grinding for candles? what's the point of venturing through the realms and meet friends?
@fiery sun Pretty much this. There isn't a lot to spend candles on, once you finish the non-season constellations. TS ensured that these currenciew continued to hold some purpose.
stark cloud
@outer sentinel not all node.. mostly the left node and the one with cosmetic..
spark lance
i have a story to tell u.u
when the concept of ts came out, i was upset. so upset i sent in a ticket. i felt it unfair that previous season’s cosmetics i spent money on (mostly bc it was advertised as ‘seasons wont come back in the future’) came back as free. i felt it was unjustifiable.
but after a while i understood and well. i was more empathetic. and i got used to it.
i hope i dont offend anyone with this. im just saying it’s okay to be upset, but honestly? you’ll get over it. it’s not the end of the world.
(pls dont flame me snif im in a sensitive mood)
radiant drum
For beta feedback, using the channels we have here in discord for bug reports, feedback and such is preferred over other means as it gets to the team faster
tacit stone
Im gonna come back later. This has turned into a general-TS-discussion Everything else from beta is flooded
halcyon quail
@teal compass If they are going to make the new ts a thing I would prefer knowing beforehand in sacrifice of the hype tbh. I just hope they come with a solution to this
tight bloom
Let's be honest, what is Sky other than grinding candles tho? This make 0 sense, imo.
radiant drum
I mean, news of TS in beta were just shared, it will be a hot topic
white horizon
Travelling Spirit Pass for certain amount of candles
lilac solstice
So with this being that they need pre-orders during off seasons, does this mean seasons will become shorter, and have short time between them, like with the transition from sanctuary to prophecy?
radiant drum
I can think of a few things: friends! music! a beautiful scenery to fly around in!
warped brook
I sent the feedback
rain delta
Also, if they do end up doing the AP lock thing for TS, they should up the frequency of these spirits too. bring it back to once every week. ;(
radiant drum
We all experience the game differently, and that's alright
proper helm
If AP lock goes live, I'll just play during seasons and not bother to candle run at all 🥱
potent heron
Can someone please explain the ts change. I'm having trouble understanding the update
Guys please the patch notes aren't comprehending
rare glade
So with this being that they need pre-orders during off seasons, does this mean seasons will become shorter, and have short time between them, like with the transition from sanctuary to prophecy?
@lilac solstice There is not enough information to know that
tacit stone
@tacit stone humans nature tends to thrive for better, if they started out with what they are proposing now and continued with what has been, at least half of these people would be sneepin now
@atomic vortex I agree too, in fact both sides r constructive
sturdy anvil
To veterans who feel bad that new players get to wear the cosmetics you bought,we got it months and months after you did and many of us had to grind hard for it.I have the manta cape from last season and I would love to see my newest moth friends to have them.although they won't probably
heavy hearth
Make past seasons as DLC and remove Traveling Sprits!!!!!!
@?Y?#8096
Whats DLC?
tight bloom
but mostly grinding candles for cosmetics. which is why everyone is mostly excited for TS, as you can see on their social medias
stark cloud
#beta-feedback have
Several people are typing...
Wow it so rare to seeing so many people typing at once there 
zinc prawn
Let's be honest, what is Sky other than grinding candles tho? This make 0 sense, imo.
@tight bloom ack, sent it without a message
but in my opinion, i really play with friends. friends is what makes the game complete to me,
without the game being a MMO, i probably wouldnt have any interest playing, even with TS around or just candle farming
bitter scroll
Why would the veterans care if the ts come for free?? We candle grind for at least an hour a day just for candles for the ts and they salty cause they paid for a pass and had to do 4 daily quests??
tranquil robin
Whats DLC?
@heavy hearth Downloadable content, usually an in-app purchase, like the fighter pass in smash for example
radiant drum
I'd be careful using terms such as "mostly" and "everyone", what you see in social media will always represent the loudest crowd and not really a fair picture of reality
Candle running is a huge part of the game for many, and not at all part of someone else's experience
halcyon quail
Whats DLC?
@heavy hearth you pay for content and it stands for "downloadable content" iirc
thin shell
Ok so someone can explain the thing about TS and AP in baby terms?
proper helm
They could have just introduced the ultimates as IAP at cheaper prices instead of this TS system 🥱
serene fern
Just feeling tired about this ts ap thing now no more rage just tired
We’ll see
spark lance
Wait a sec, I don’t know if I’m reading this right. So in order to unlock stuff from ts we need to buy the current season pass?
radiant drum
I'm sure we will have plenty of time to test this and submit our feedback, no need to waste all your energy in one day!
tight bloom
but mostly is not everyone right. "most ppl that i see" "how most ppl on SM respond to TS"
potent heron
Ok so someone can explain the thing about TS and AP in baby terms?
@thin shell same no one has explained it and I'm not understanding the update message
bitter scroll
Ok so someone can explain the thing about TS and AP in baby terms?
@thin shell From now on, the traveling spirit’s items will be seperated into adventure pass and non-adventure pass. To get most of the stuff, you’ll have to buy current pass
hexed saffron
I'm kinda mad
rain delta
@potent heron @thin shell basically the left side of the TS will require an Adventure Pass
thin shell
That is bad news.
mental otter
so that means that the spirit trees of the traveling spirits are similar to the seasonal spirit trees, separated by pass and non-pass. was i right?
spark lance
Basically, the TS items that came with AP in their original season will require current season AP to unlock when they visit every other Thursday
@thin shell @potent heron
proper helm
What if all of this is just a TGC Halloween prank 😳 😳 😳
radiant drum
Because the news were shared just recently, people here are going by what they understood on the message in #beta-announcements. It's alright to be confused, hopping in the game when those changes are in effect and seeing them for yourself can really help. We don't need to understand everything perfectly right now
halcyon quail
Current ts are free and you can buy all their stuff with candles.
New ts will have some items locked and you won't be able to get them unless you buy a seasonal pass@potent heron
ancient tusk
For people who think the TS system is unfair to veterans, there are people who couldn't play sky because of their device or because they were android. As well as veterans who didn't have financial room to get the pass. Seasonal pass users also have months untill the the TS arrives. So that argument is quite weak.
potent heron
will it be like seasons though where the items are free or do ap holders still have to pay candles
pulsar blade
Would you mind do you reaaly have to grind for the travelling spirit. I mean its like stressing yourself out. My suggestion is just do the normal candle run. If you feel enough and tired, then stop. If you feel to continue then go. Also mind me if im following right. Invest only on the spirit you really need. No need to stressed out to the max of burning and tiring your own body. The game is set for to enjoy. And so on other hand. Mind me again , if you feel to buy the pass. Buy it and enjoy whatever you may recieved. As other people say, your helping the developers too. And im envious still that majority of people here can buy the AP, thing that i cant do until now. If i dont much understand about whats stated in the beta updates, kindly correct me. To sum, just do the normal candling without stressing too much. Buy the pass and enjoy with it. Ps. Ok the left side of the Ts spirit require an AP - well tou dont really have to unlock all whats inside the Ts. Just select whats matter to you and most important to you.
eager ferry
Honestly, If this is a halloween prank.. It's the scariest of them all I wanted to chill and talk about beta, not watch people argue
radiant drum
TGC wouldnt ping thousands of testers for a prank
They hide shiny boi roles in the server for pranks lol edit: the shiny boi role is long ded now
thin shell
This is very bad
Oh well, rip future cosmetics
slim kayak
Trying to ping everyone but you ping a person named everyone instead
rare glade
Would you mind do you reaaly have to grind for the travelling spirit. I mean its like stressing yourself out. My suggestion is just do the normal candle run. If you feel enough and tired, then stop. If you feel to continue then go. Also mind me if im following right. Invest only on the spirit you really need. No need to stressed out to the max of burning and tiring your own body. The game is set for to enjoy. And so on other hand. Mind me again , if you feel to buy the pass. Buy it and enjoy whatever you may recieved. As other people say, your helping the developers too. And im envious still that majority of people here can but the AP, thing that i cant do until now. If i dont much understand about whats stated in the beta updates, kindly correct me. To sum, just do the normal candling without stressing too much. Buy the pass and enjoy with it. Ps. Ok the left side of the Ts spirit require an AP - well tou dont really have to unlock all whats inside the Ts. Just select whats matter to you and most important to you.
@pulsar blade And if the most important thing is with the pass? 😭😭🤧🤧🤧
summer sundial
If they just randomly ping us and go "lol get pranked' idk how id feel
spark lance
@ancient tusk I agree. Additionally, only 1 TS visits every 2 weeks, It's not like new players get a full season's worth of items in one Thursday
Moreover, the items cost only 12-30 seasonal candles during season, whereas it costs more than twice in white candles as TS
jaunty bramble
@thin shell From now on, the traveling spirit’s items will be seperated into adventure pass and non-adventure pass. To get most of the stuff, you’ll have to buy current pass
@bitter scroll
That's actually a great system tbh... Good for players who pay which in return make the game better and keeps the game alive. And good for the dev's so they would not go bankrupt and shutdown the game. The only problem is players are already accustomed the previous system. I just feel like TGC doesn't really quite know what to do with their game... Lol... All the decisions they're making feels like an experimental and it hurts their community.
rain delta
@ancient tusk that’s why the new system brings them back as they were in the season - with the AP lock and all :|
proper helm
How would u know Mirian? U aren't TGC staff
tacit stone
Too much IAP did stress me out as well. But you know what? You wont be in this game forever, you might quit after a year or a half. Feel free to comment, but also be ready for changes or decisions that dont go towards your thoughts. Sky is great but at some point learn to lose it and enjoy the game the way you can while ure still here 
radiant drum
It's just common sense really
spark lance
ELI5: if ts’s cosmetic or expression is behind a paywall in its respective season, you will need to own the existing season’s adv pass to get it.
lilac solstice
Though there are plenty of people out there who do giveaways for passes too. Luckily sky is full of plenty of kind people
white horizon
Whole blocks of qoute
pulsar blade
@rare glade then go to the one that most important to you.
rich kite
Yes, but not everyone gets to win it
sharp arrow
Ok make past seasons as DLC and remove Adventure Pass nodes of Traveling Sprits.
radiant drum
Mods are not TGC staff, but it's not a secret we are biased and believe in their views. Otherwise we wouldn't volunteer our time to help them in this server
little hound
Hello. What does this mean?
“Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.”
grave jetty
For people who think the TS system is unfair to veterans, there are people who couldn't play sky because of their device or because they were android. As well as veterans who didn't have financial room to get the pass. Seasonal pass users also have months untill the the TS arrives. So that argument is quite weak.
@ancient tusk This exactly. When the price of a console or game drops, that is not unfair to the people who bought it early. It is exactly the same with items.
thin shell
I have completely lost motivation
kindred fossil
well, to me this is going to be a matter of hoping the TS i want lands during the season, since i only have 1 left (yes, i know it's not coming to live anytime soon, just a hypothetical scenario)
potent heron
I'll be like "I cant afford the adventure pass" but then at the same time I'll go spend $10 at mcdonalds so lol
rain delta
@tacit stone Im honestly sure they are already thinking of revamping the system - it might not be just this way of doing it, but a change is coming to the TS and that much is for sure. It might not happen in the next two weeks, but the Next TS might really be the last one that’ll follow the same system :( we never know
proper helm
Sometimes TGC can do something out of the box ya know, totally unexpected
pliant perch
thank you mirian and tofu! i've successfully submitted my feedback time to yeet from discord and play sky!
warped brook
Wait The pass we need to buy is the season of the TS or the season is going ?
worn kelp
I'm paying to get stuff early, to support tgc, to save time... I don't want those items to be pay-exclusive. I have some friends from regions where 10$ is A LOT (understatement). Also, comparing sky to other mobile games isn't fair (those are often pretty unethical and remind of gambling at times), compare it to similarly beautiful, artistic, fully fledged out, story driven games.
I want to spend money because I WANT TO, not because I feel pressured and tricked into it (no offense candy crush type games), and also not to be part of some gucci club. For real, I don't want to have bragging rights, I just want cool clothes early
tacit stone
Here we go again 😂 i predict this TS topic will flood until next week 😂
ancient tusk
@ancient tusk that’s why the new system brings them back as they were in the season - with the AP lock and all :|
@rain delta then it's not 'caring for the veterans' anymore so
mental otter
from my understanding, only traveling spirits from season of gratitude until season of belonging will require adventure passes to get their cosmetics @little hound . someone correct me if i'm wrong though
rare glade
I'll be like "I cant afford the adventure pass" but then at the same time I'll go spend $10 at mcdonalds so lol
@potent heron Different realities man, don't be disrespectful, it's different to spend on food than on a game
limpid nova
this chat has slowly burned all the stages of grief
denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance
vague shore
Wait The pass we need to buy is the season of the TS or the season is going ?
@warped brook the seasonal si going
fiery sun
The currency in my country is
10$ is php1000 so, yeah...i wouldnt be able to buy pass in my country
grave jetty
Wait The pass we need to buy is the season of the TS or the season is going ?
@warped brook The season that's going (or the next one, if no season is going on at the time).
mighty estuary
According to the beta update, that means the ts before is not a bug
ancient cobalt
I have to wonder what this means for people who bought a pass already
Do I have to purchase Prophecy just to get a chance at... Belonging TS, a pass I already paid for but didn't get to finish?
Would I be stuck paying for it twice...?
spark lance
The currency in my country is
10$ is php1000 so, yeah...i wouldnt be able to buy pass in my country
@fiery sun 500 php maybe?
1000 php is 20 US bucks ie = lantern
proper helm
Well for the pass I can get two heavy meals here or 14 light meals
desert mango
A company taking away their own gameplay ... funny ...I won’t be playing sky when it becomes a chat room ...
bitter scroll
Sky is one of the few epic games where you can play to a good extent without having to toss out your money! TS was heccin epic when it first came in winter. Why would this change because a fee veterans are salty? I seriously remember at least 9 people at one point doing the TS emote at the base of the stand and going “yAyYyYy” (roughly to quote). So the whole “veterans unhappy” thing is a hecka weak argument I’m a vet, but i couldn’t buy the passes, and some couldnt get sky at all 👀
gilded parrotBOT
the traveler ||wanders through misty groves to find a valley where the river lies||
misty bronze
Its 900 rs in our country... Soo no i can't buy pass :(
jaunty bramble
All the f2p players... Think about this? Who made every seasons possible? The f2p players or people who pay for IAP? No IAP game is a dead game... Let that sink in...
safe ridge
500+ only in PHP.
rain delta
@ancient cobalt basically 💀
that’s my biggest worry too, not being able to finish the season after i bought a pass
tacit stone
@rain delta Wishing everyone the best though. Its hard to find a balance between the company and players, it hurts to hurt any side because without either side this game won't be successful
mental otter
guess i'll need to bring this up again. $10 can be part of education fees in my country, it can be important, personal supplies in another. just because it is cheap for you doesn't mean it is as well for others!
coral flume
The season is here already? In live
tranquil robin
Monday, yeah
thin shell
I don't know what to do if they implement this in live
grave jetty
According to the beta update, that means the ts before is not a bug
@mighty estuary Yeah, it would have been nice to know about this before they dropped it on us. I doubt I'm the only person who reported it because I thought it was a bug.
little hound
@mental otter can I dm you? UWU
spark lance
Yeah same Sana
potent heron
@potent heron Different realities man, don't be disrespectful, it's different to spend on food than on a game
@rare glade True facts. but I meant it in the way that I could choose to spend $10 on sky instead of on something else i wanted. I don't actually eat out cause that costs moola lmao
eager ferry
Quick question... Why do you guys play Sky at all? It seems like some of you only play it for the cosmetics
fiery sun
the thing is, i'm a student. where do i get 500 my parents wouldnt let me pay for a game
radiant drum
Let's keep discussion constructive, please
tacit valley
it's 139.000 in my country ;-;
proper helm
I think they should rather give the ultimates to the people who bought pass at the end of the season without unlocking it, if they weren't able to buy it during season.
spark lance
Remember those years when your classmates brought their PSP to school and you die inside in envy?
At least we all get to play sky no matter what, we just have a few restriction in cosmetics
tacit stone
and 55USD for Halloween IAP 😳 no event, only office deco, and cosmetics.
mighty estuary
Im okay with the revamp with the ts cuz i will team up with my friend to buy the adv pass, it's just the ts that come between season, i think i can't afford it😔 but i think it's okay since the ts may comeback
desert mango
I’d rather tgc give away ultimates than take away candle runs
worn kelp
Everything costs at least 5USD more than in the US where I live
jaunty bramble
At least we all get to play sky no matter what, we just have a few restriction of cosmetics
@spark lance they don't want that.. they want cosmetics more .. hahaha
spark lance
I feel for all y’all with different currency than the US, y’all deserve the world
thin shell
Might as well quit playing the game if I can't get a pass for prophecy.
spark lance
Kom I was kinda thinking a similar thought as you. I mean the part where idk people seem to play the game mostly for the cosmetics or something
stark cloud
Fire boi or Wasteland Elder, which one is the biggest?
rain delta
@tacit stone one thing is for sure though, the game feels more lively after they introduced the current Concept of TS. If they make this change, I’m sure that will change. If I know an item I want is AP locked in the TS and the only options I have available for me are spells and a wing buff, I honestly wouldn’t care or bother doing a cr? I can get those spells in the ark too and even with 10 wing levels, I still only bother collecting 9 levels worth after doing an eden run so an extra one from TS wouldn’t inspire me to do a CR or play the game as often anymore
bitter scroll
Quick question... Why do you guys play Sky at all? It seems like some of you only play it for the cosmetics
@eager ferry are cosmetics not a huge part of the game? 👀 new seasons have good lore and fun, but at one point there really aren’t more spirits and stuff to get, and the game is just candle runs and winged lights for eden. Yes, you can have fun with friends and oob tgt, but candle runs are a huge part of the game for many. This change upsets a LOT of people
rare glade
I think this system will reach the global version but they will change the system between seasons. That creates problems with people who buy the pack of 3
rich kite
I may look dumb but
This thing about ts is about only the ones from belonging?
proper helm
They even restricted the pass to people who pre-orders it.. So, gifting pass won't work either
mint nest
wait im confuse on whats gonna happen with the ts
spark lance
Fire boi or Wasteland Elder, which one is the biggest?
@stark cloud fireboi is a prophet, sharing a small map with 3 others, and a questgiver.
Wasteland is an Elder. He's so big he has to have his own map
eager ferry
Tbh, Cosmetics are an important part of sky for me, but I look really good as a moth aswell...
tight bloom
if cosmetics arent huge part of the game, they wouldnt make IAP cosmetics.
lilac solstice
Maybe they'll change it so you can gift early?? At least I hope
fiery sun
cosmetics are a huge part of a game too! without cosmetics, how would we be able to customize ourselves
without cosmetics, we wouldnt grind and run through realms
without running through realms, we wont meet friends
without friends, Sky won't be Sky anymore
silver coyote
Wait its just PO pass?? No way :(((
spark lance
i was otw to wasteland from valley, and mid flight i had to afk so i just left my skykid flying, expecting it to just stay flying or at least just land next to the campfire in social space.
i came back and my skykid was alr splat onto the sand at the broken temple area. she’s so independent snif :’)
latent oar
@spark lance it's back from war for a few days
halcyon quail
wait im confuse on whats gonna happen with the ts
@mint nest you can buy all the items from current ts with candles and hearts.
New ts will have some items locked and you'll only be able to get them if you buy the current pass
warped brook
What do you think about the new system
thin shell
Let's say the Rhythm pants needs an AP during its season, when it comes as a TS during Prophecy, you'll need the AP for Prophecy to buy that Rhythm pants
north bridge
To veterans who feel bad that new players get to wear the cosmetics you bought,we got it months and months after you did and many of us had to grind hard for it.I have the manta cape from last season and I would love to see my newest moth friends to have them.although they won't probably
@sturdy anvil I was just a moth, my game friend told me to save candles for rhythm pants TS. She helped me cr and even gave me heart. She was so happy when I got that pants
stark cloud
System of a Down
Edit: sorry guys i need to make some jokes in heating chat
sour flower
Remember you can send your ideas to #beta-feedback where the staff will pay closer attention, that way we get the best outcome possible I hope. I feel for my friends and those who can't afford passes :(( if you leave your ideas there maybe the solution will come from one of you
rain delta
Agreed cosmetics are a HUGe part of the game, the game itself prides on its aesthetic appeal and part of that appeal comes from in game cosmetics
jaunty bramble
if cosmetics arent huge part of the game, they wouldnt make IAP cosmetics.
@tight bloom and if they will not make IAP the game will be dead...
eager ferry
What do you think about the new system
@warped brookMixed opinions, but I get that TGC needs money
spark lance
backread and you'll find out @warped brook
late nacelle
I feel for all y’all with different currency than the US, y’all deserve the world
@spark lance I’m glad that some people here are not out of touch from reality
limpid nova
i plan to stay mostly neutral on this arguement. even tho my broke f2p self will be sad, i know ill just have to adjust to the final decision in the end.
regal halo
As a player whos paid for the last few passes since rhythm, and a vet, I heavily disagree with this change
Passes are extremely expensive for me, and ive skipped out on lunches because i wanted to be able to afford them. Ive always loved this game and have since belonging
Putting traveling spirits behind a paywall now though feels like a slap to the face. I’ve put a lot into this game, and i love everyone ive met through it. Id have to leave purely because this change making it to live would feel like tgc completely disregarding the opinions and feelings of their players simply to get a cheap dollar
Ts’s are really meaningful to me, and yes, ill admit it is for cosmetics. Me and my friends love to cosplay our sky characters together, and designing oc’s in sky is one thing i love about it. Theres a lot of spirits i missed after i let the game part way through rhythm that i need to cosplay some of my favourite characters of mine, but i cant just spend all my money on sky
Not only would it lessen the value of the community, but the social aspect would be lost for me
tight bloom
@tight bloom and if they will not make IAP the game will be dead...
@jaunty bramble
that's why I'm all for IAP such as halloween/office cape. But TS too?
spark lance
So basically the new TS system is just like having them during seasons, because either way you need the AP? I'm 100% sure this won't go to live, besides veterans getting angry about the current TS system, they're angry about people getting items they already have? I honestly think TGC shouldn't just bring back the Ults, that way vets can feel "special"
acoustic barn
hi
potent heron
Players: "Everything should be free because I don't have money!"
TGC staff who need to make a living: 👁️ 👄 👁️
sturdy anvil
@north bridge I like the fact that we like many others love to see newest moths to have the things we have.Guess what you pfp is the the outfit my skykid is having now,jellyhair with crab mask.Makes me feel like and alien.
grave jetty
@warped brookMixed opinions, but I get that TGC needs money
@eager ferry I get that, but I don't see the economic case for it here. $10 every couple of months for a pass is a lot less money for TGC than $20 for a candle pack every time I fall short. That's why I'm not convinced that this is about money.
thin shell
And I thought the TS purpose is to help everyone who didn't get to play during that season
spark lance
Can we just take a moment to breathe and appreciate that the sky general channel is waaaay up there in the server?
That way no one would get randomly lost in the wrong chat and therefore accidentally starting a chain of chaos because of a wrong sent message
worn kelp
About what we even play the game for
In my opinion:
The TS system encourages people to do daily CRs with friends. Full CRs take about 2 hours => people are online longer and more, you're more likely to stumble upon your friends, you have a better excuse to hang out with them. In my friend group, we get 8 friends together, leaders change every day, while one person is leading, the others are chatting. I love this ritual. If we weren't grinding for TS, we'd have less excuses and justifications to hang out in sky
radiant drum
Please don't quote long walls of text to share a few words, it's disruptive. You can share the same message with just a mention
mint nest
Maybe adding more special items for people that bought the pass would be nicer than changing the ts?
like maybe more ultimate gifts but not really are ultimate gifts yknow?
fiery sun
The way you said "players" as if all players said that everything should be free...?
spark lance
I am blessed to be able to pay 10 bucks every few months to support TGC. BUT obviously many other people are not able to do that.
I think TGC should adjust the price of IAP to the region people are playing from so it is more fair.
Where I live 10 bucks gets me one meal. In another country 10 bucks gets me 10 meals.
halcyon quail
What do you think about the new system
@warped brook resembles to loot boxes as you don't know what you're paying for (in case you don't want the seasonal pass to unlock the current season's cosmetics) as opposed to people who bought seasonal passes beforehand, that's a clear disadvantage to new players and should be worked on a solution.
Also you could get 3 ts that you already have and you can't possibly know if that would happen or not
jaunty bramble
@jaunty bramble
that's why I'm all for IAP such as halloween/office cape. But TS too?
@tight bloom the thing is they can't get enough with those. Few people only buy those cosmetics... Maybe if TS thing happens every IAP in sky will become cheap.
silver coyote
A few angry veterans really ruin this ts system :(.
I have no problem with constantly buying AP. But thats not the case for everyone. Not everyone has the money for AP, and TS helps out a lot! F2p players can enjoy the cosmetics AP players have albeit way later and with more candles. I think thats fair.
Seriously I hope they don't implement this change in main
spark lance
People never said that everything should be free
rare glade
Players: "Everything should be free because I don't have money!"
TGC staff who need to make a living: 👁️ 👄 👁️
@potent heron That is what the seasons and articles like the lamp are for, nobody complains that the seasons are with money
proper helm
So basically the new TS system is just like having them during seasons, because either way you need the AP?
@spark lance or they can bring ults as IAPs but a lot cheaper than the pass
latent oar
Please note that these changes are still early steps according to the announcement, it's not even confirmed yet.
eager ferry
To be honest, if this is implemented in live I might stop trying to buy stuff from ts.. which is really good because I hate candle running
limpid nova
exactly the reason i plan to stay neutral: just because i cant spend money doesnt mean others cant.
i also like to bring in the fact that tgc is a smol company and they need money for their living too
spark lance
Kom I’m probably going to do the same thing man
thin shell
I'm fine with TGC making IAP of solo cosmetics like the Wicked cosmetics cost some bucks, but if they'll lock the TS behind AP too...
white raven
guys i have a question assuming that we have the season pass, do we need extra candles and hearts to buy the items in the season pass nodes in the ts?
white horizon
momma im scared
sour flower
People never said that everything should be free
@spark lance it's not that. They introduced the TS to be "fair to everyone". This new "solution" goes against that
spark lance
I always look forward to the ts because I missed every season except for sanctuary, thankfully now I am able to buy a pass but other people can’t and I think they STILL deserve to be able to get these items because it’s not their fault
full rock
Well it's kinda fine to pay money for pass and having TS stuffs but how about when pre-order? 
Who take shared pass like me can't buy comestics?
whole bough
@potent heron I agree. The game is ad free, they have to make a living somehow!
halcyon quail
guys i have a question assuming that we have the season pass, do we need extra candles and hearts to buy the items in the season pass nodes in the ts?
@white raven I think you will get AP items for free and you will have to buy non AP items (I'm talking in terms of candles)
eager ferry
Candle running is way to much work for me, so If I only have to buy a few things (AKA Buffed light thingy)) from the TS I wouldn't care. Finally I can relax and not worry about needing to have enough candles
spark lance
If it does get to live, then I'd honestly just not play sky, maybe get on from time to time to chat with my friends. The TS and my friends are the ones pushing me to play sky everyday. Besides, I have them on discord, so communication isn't a problem.
pseudo bronze
It technically isn't fair to veteran players who have been purchasing all the seasonal passes since the very first season. Imagine that u spent >$50 so far for every season, and yet with the return of a ts current pass holders get access to the cosmetics for free. Ofc, unless tgc is saying that access is exclusive to pass holders, but they still have to pay for these cosmetics albeit with lesser candles/hearts...
spark lance
Yeah aanddd I can upgrade my emotes on the constellations which also means I can finish them sooner
How about just make the items free like how it was originally during the season for AP holders, or if not free, at least at a discount
And still make it available for non-AP players, but let them get the items at regular price..
proper helm
Well if this goes live I'll just finish seasonal quests and get the free items then not even bother to candle run and play sky..
it's not that. They introduced the TS to be "fair to everyone". This new "solution" goes against that
Right.. being fair to a few salty vets and ignoring the f2p players which contribute to most of the players isn't being fair at all
spark lance
@spark lance it's not that. They introduced the TS to be "fair to everyone". This new "solution" goes against that
@sour flower i know that’s why i said it, the new system destroys kinda the idea of providing the same experience to new players like the vets did
grave jetty
It technically isn't fair to veteran players who have been purchasing all the seasonal passes since the very first season. Imagine that u spent >$50 so far for every season, and yet with the return of a ts current pass holders get access to the cosmetics for free. Ofc, unless tgc is saying that access is exclusive to pass holders, but they still have to pay for these cosmetics albeit with lesser candles/hearts...
@pseudo bronze Wheb a console's or game's price drops, it is not unfair to the people who bought it early. The same is true for items.
rocky swallow
@spark lance it's not that. They introduced the TS to be "fair to everyone". This new "solution" goes against that
@sour flower yeaaaahhh, the new system is literally against the concept of traveling spirits...
spark lance
It technically isn't fair to veteran players who have been purchasing all the seasonal passes since the very first season. Imagine that u spent >$50 so far for every season, and yet with the return of a ts current pass holders get access to the cosmetics for free. Ofc, unless tgc is saying that access is exclusive to pass holders, but they still have to pay for these cosmetics albeit with lesser candles/hearts...
@pseudo bronze what about the people that didn’t have a chance in the first place
true bone
GUYS, This cannot happen! this isn't fair at all!
thin shell
I'm fine with it if current pass holders can buy cosmetics from TS for like 60% off or for free, and non-pass holders can still buy them for the regular cost.
potent heron
@thin shell Give that in feedback!
green marsh
wait thats a good idea
late nacelle
I'm fine with it if current pass holders can buy cosmetics from TS for like 60% off or for free, and non-pass holders can still buy them for the regular cost.
@thin shell that sounds... much more inclusive
eager ferry
big brain moment
rare glade
Or just give free to those who have a pass and those who do not, normal price 😎🤠
summer sundial
@thin shell I had posted a similar idea here and in feedback. glad to see others are thinking th same
safe ridge
I'm fine with it if current pass holders can buy cosmetics from TS for like 60% off or for free, and non-pass holders can still buy them for the regular cost.
@thin shell Much better.
spark lance
Yeah they should do that man
pallid thunder
Most of the people are having the opinion that the new update won't be good and I agree with it, for those who think that tgc needs to make a living too, making ts also cost real money isn't good. Tgc can get lots of profit just by people buying adventure pass, and making ts also cost real money will be a really really bad idea because majority of the players can't get adventure passes by which they can't get ts also. So it makes more than half of the game costing real money
lone thorn
Honestly im fine with them putting ads in the game, but only for stuff like "Watch an ad and you'll get 1/2 candle" and such. It'd be a win-win situation.
worn kelp
I spent 80$ on this game BECAUSE of the TS system and have only been playing for two months 👁️ 👄 👁️ I don't think anything about the TS system as it's been is unfair to vets
(edit: don't question my financial decisions)
spark lance
See? It was chaos at first but we're slowly finding the light at the end of the tunnel by working together and brainstorming...
thin shell
Well I did something good
pseudo bronze
@pseudo bronze what about the people that didn’t have a chance in the first place
@spark lance which was the whole point of ts in the first place isn't it? except that players have apparently complained it's too much grind to farm candles for these ts
true bone
i have like friends who don't have a pass and even recently joined! I don't think this is fair at all! How can new or old players be able to get the items from previous seasons?? C'mon! Atleast spare the new players! I really hope TGC will reconsider this decision as it is unacceptable and not much players will play this game who wanted to get seasonal cosmetics
spark lance
Wait so for the updated TS, people still need to use hearts/candles to buy the AP items? Or are they just free for them? And just need to use candles for the blessings
sturdy anvil
It's still chaos I think the real chaos will start when it makes to live
spark lance
@pseudo bronze the prices didn’t used to be this high till vets began to complain about new players getting items more easily
fiery sun
@true bone This is still in beta, That's why we're discussing here, so we can help TGC
If you have anything you wanna say, send them to #beta-feedback but be careful of your wordings 🥺
They're humans too
tacit valley
though i think it's kinda fair for veteran players...
"the same experience" meaning you'll have to purchase the adv pass before you can unlock the previous season's cosmetics which veterans paid for..
but nonetheless i still don't agree with this new system ;-;
grave jetty
@pseudo bronze the prices didn’t used to be this high till vets began to complain about new players getting items more easily
@spark lance Which is part of why I don't think this is about money. I think it's about appeasing a faction of players-gone-toxic.
bitter scroll
o k a y, so I get that veterans spent lobs of money on buying passes, but just think about it. yes, i know they spent real money, but we candle run for at LEAST an hour daily for constellation stuff and tses! veterans bought that pass, and THAT’s what ultimate gifts are for-a souvenir for the pass veterans. veterans bought pass and did four daily quests for the same thing we spend hours farming for?
tgc won’t get more money, they’ll lose players
cloud palm
As a person who has parents that don’t let me spend money on games without their permission I find the new TS thing very unfair, just because a few vets are mad that TS exists is totally biased, as a person who has played for a good amount of time I find TS really nice
spark lance
It's still chaos I think the real chaos will start when it makes to live
@sturdy anvil only if it makes it to live in this format
We submitted feedback and TGC is the type of company who really does listen. So I'm sure this AP for TS thing would've been tweaked to the majority's satisfaction when it rolls to live
plucky plinth
If this patch is applied, the newbies just started will leave Sky. That should not happen.
worn scaffold
Fire boi is here?
jolly juniper
somebody enlighten me, so basically what im getting is that TS’ season pass items are also locked behind prophecy pass?
raw orbit
Hi everyone, I am looking for someone: Around 10 hours ago I did the earth trial with a "glowing girl" but we lost each other at the last puzzle. Couldnt friend her, bc no candles🥺 When you read this, pls dm me, I wanna be friends with you💕
rain delta
Honestly, TGC should NeVEr bring back those ultimate gifts, just don’t period. That should make veterans happy >,
spark lance
@bitter scroll exactly
nova heron
I'd be so sad if I bought the current AP and then all the TS are not what I want and then next season i won't have a chance to buy AP but the TS is what i want. Pure bad luck
spark lance
but what about android?
little hound
Build 155436 has the new TS system, correct?
thorn cedar
Please note that the current season pass still retains its original function, that is the main, for more AP players, I am to maintain a positive attitude.
eager ferry
Don't bring back the ults, make the veterans happy If this is what gets them to calm down, then be it.
tacit valley
As a person who has parents that don’t let me spend money on games without their permission I find the new TS thing very unfair, just because a few vets are mad that TS exists is totally biased, as a person who has played for a good amount of time I find TS really nice
not to mention all the time spent for candle grinding dedicated for the ts ;-;
spark lance
The ultimate gifts are the things that will make the veterans more special
proper helm
I added an idea how to add ads into the game.
#wishlist-and-ideas-archived message
But not everyone agrees
late nacelle
Honestly, TGC should NeVEr bring back those ultimate gifts, just don’t period. That should make veterans happy >,
@rain delta apparently, it’s not enough
spark lance
If they keep making new cool ultimate gifts it wont matter if u cant get old ones
tacit stone
Yes true. This is considered fine if you imagine the chaos in live version I will quit Sky temporarily that time
fiery sun
This game is just 1 yr old since release. There will be more ultimate gifts so it's ok if you can't get the past ultimate gifts
rain delta
Like I don’t know about you guys, but I want TS more than I want some ultimate gift, so veterans it’s all yours. I’m not gonna complain about the ultimate gifts haha 😂 just leave my TS for me 👉👈
grave jetty
Build 155436 has the new TS system, correct?
@little hound They said this wasn't going to go to Live anytime soon. My guess is that the code is technically present, but it's turned off.
jolly juniper
but looks arent everything yknow
wheat heath
On a game that the main objective is looks, really it is everything
rare glade
but looks arent everything yknow
@jolly juniper Just like in real life, they are 🤠
tacit valley
they're still figuring out a way to bring back ultimate gifts tho ;-;
pseudo bronze
Yes ultimate gifts shouldn’t ever come back — I think it’s only fair for veterans who have been there supporting Sky and tgc since the very beginning.
lone thorn
Cosmetic isnt everything but it's still something 
silver coyote
Well maybe ultimate gifts as IAP?
white horizon
But we use cosmetics to express what we feel and stuff
spark lance
I just want to have nice items without old players thinking I don’t deserve them because I was unable to play when it launched due to circumstances I couldn’t control, I thought this game was about inclusivity and friendship, now there’s the side that wants to be special. It’s not unfair to any old player, you have your items so enjoy them, now let us work for our turn. Sorry if this comes off as mean I just get stressed out by this
tacit stone
All aesthetic points of the cosmetics of Prophecy go into the Anubis's Mask
spark lance
Oh! They are thinking of bringing ultimate gifts back???
sturdy anvil
One thing guys, not all veterans automatically have a pass they still gotta pay for it and many can't buy AP.I didn’t have Enchantment AP so I wnt Ench. Ts
rain delta
@jolly juniper they really are for me in this game >,< it’s not much else otherwise... to give an example, I don’t even feel happy doing a Cr with a look I don’t like. It doesn’t feel the same for me — the ambience, the lighting... etc... its the same reason why some of us like to dress a certain way when we go out.. honestly with little else to do and your character being the Center POV, the cosmetics become important
late plaza
Dang, new TS system sucks... Sorry TGC, but it's kinda unfair... Especially when people have parents who don't let them buy IAPs.
I don't think ults should come back even as a person who missed lots of ults. They're ults for a purpose.
jolly juniper
i mean- ultimate gifts is what gives tgc money- theres no point in buying passes or anything if ultimate gifts come back out of nowhere
rapid terrace
Veterans that didn’t buy the adventure pass: “aight, ima head out”
fiery sun
@jolly juniper
yes but without cosmetics, candle running is useless
without candle running, no friends to meet
without friends, the purpose of Sky bringing players together is 
kindred bluff
i dont want to come off as selfish when i say i dont want tgc to hand out ultimates, i dont care for older ultimate gifts as they are the veteran's gift (at least veterans older than me)
spark lance
Also if ults came back, why is only belonging pass locked?
Whenever an update in beta causes a major hysterical discussion, it makes me appreciate TGC even more.
They let actual player test a could-be decision first before rolling it over to live, making sure that us testers and those live players who can't voice out their opinions will be adequately satisfied with each tweak
The ts is for the new players that didn't have the chances to get the seasonal stuff from the past
I get it that the veterans are upset because of that
But like-
How about people that play sky in android tho? They also wished to play sky earlier when the rythm (or season before that) started
But at that time sky in android ver isn't available ye t
rich kite
Re reading the message it seems like the restriction is only for belonging spirits
Are y'all sure it is for everyone?
thin shell
Yeah, why is it only the spirits from Belonging though?
eager ferry
let the ult gifts not be given out so i can stay special with my one manta cape me me big veteran
silver coyote
Ultimate gift as limited time IAP like.. only 3 days limited?? Very limited IAP
But tbh i don't care much about past ultimate gifts.. just maybe some I missed due to not completing the season :"(
tacit stone
Yes ,frankly speaking, after all all skykids are people irl. In reality look is still the first thing people judge in many kind of approaches. Its a small reality world reflected in Sky.
radiant drum
Please don't use blank lines to make your message bigger, it's just disruptive when slowmode is this long
grave jetty
Yeah, why is it only the spirits from Belonging though?
@thin shell It probably isn't only the ones from Belonging. That's just where the current spirit happens to be from, so theu used it as an example.
limpid nova
eeyyy i left for 10 minutes and look at how calm yall are now
dark quail
and comforting soothing vibes to everyone
mossy glacier
Is it just for ultimate gifts or for all of ts with pass-exclusive cosmetics?
solar oar
So basically..it’s the new player fault that tgc introduced this new system ... 😂 ..
grand swift
Imagine a desired cosmetic is ap lock and u haven't pre-ordered or have a pass that time just oof
swift edge
This game is about looks and friendship
obsidian berry
I'm a Vet who didn't start buying season passes until Enchantment! and i love being able to do the TS and candle run to get cosmetics i missed when i played the original seasons- those vets can keep their ultimate gifts. It seems really unfair to players who can't afford a season pass who still want to have these cosmetics- andy ways that's my take
cloud palm
but looks arent everything yknow
@jolly juniper how would you customize you sky kid without cosmetics?
spark lance
imagine being born in 2007 and then complaining that you didn't get to play tamagochi
same thing
celest meteor
Candle run with this new sistem dont make sense
icy dragon
Hey sorry for asking but where is fire prophet spirit? TwT idk where it is but I heard it was out
sturdy anvil
Ppl grind for looks that's whta keeps them.coming for CRs and letting us hang out with mates so....
eager ferry
I wanna look cute while making friends in sky. Who doesn't?
rare glade
Candle run with this new sistem dont make sense
@celest meteor good for me
tacit stone
its just a test guys. Belonging is just a subject to test for the TS. Stop digging on this issue. Obviously its still in experimental mode, this is day one. It can be other seasons next time.
thorny fulcrum
My friend says its darker than beta
ancient cobalt
Man I can't help but feel a little punished for not managing to finish Belonging if this goes through 🥺
I may never be able to get the Ultimate Gift bonfire and though I've (still sadly) accepted that, I feel like it's an extra kick in the teeth if I have to preorder another completely unrelated season just to get what I already paid for 😭
stark sundial
chat is good now 
you would still have to candle run a little if you don't wanna spend money
thin shell
its just a test guys. Belonging is just a subject to test for the TS. Stop digging on this issue. Obviously its still in experimental mode, this is day one. It can be other seasons next time.
@tacit stone Ofc we have to give feedback about that since we're beta players from the start
radiant drum
There was nothing shared regarding Ultimate Gifts in #beta-announcements
swift edge
its just a test guys. Belonging is just a subject to test for the TS. Stop digging on this issue. Obviously its still in experimental mode, this is day one. It can be other seasons next time.
@tacit stone
Day one of anything new in beta: CHAOS
spark lance
Man I can't help but feel a little punished for not managing to finish Belonging if this goes through 🥺
I may never be able to get the Ultimate Gift bonfire and though I've (still sadly) accepted that, I feel like it's an extra kick in the teeth if I have to preorder another completely unrelated season just to get what I already paid for 😭
if we already paid for the original season pass will we be able to buy the ts items?
Let's all consider that TGC has actual human beings working on this game, and it's a weekend. Major updates require hours and hours of coding and such
solar oar
Ok guys.. let’s chill and eat nasi lemak.. any malaysian here?
kindred bluff
handing out pendants and ultimate gifts seems extremely unfair, i may sound rude and a "selfish veteran" when i say it, but if i can get it for candles/hearts/AC 3-12 months later it isnt so ultimate anymore
even for seasons i never touched or werent there to see, it doesnt seem fair at all.
(also yes i know the ultimates werent stated in beta updates lol but werent you folks at tgc planning to bring them back along with the pendants at some point?)
jolly juniper
people just want ult gifts back but imo it just be a little unfair if people could just get it for free or for an iap, then there would be no point really in buying the pass if theyre just gonna return. seems like everybodies against me today
rustic imp
TGC is testing a new system out here, and they would absolutely want feedback about how you feel about it. Please be constructive and explain what you think about it over in #beta-feedback!
rain delta
@tacit stone most things always start in beta, and if we’re quiet about them now, then they’ll definitely make it to live without any change hahaha
whole bough
@spark lance You a real one, Blue
sturdy anvil
Also what makes them think we would buy an entire season for a TS?I Don't like Propeshy items that much that I would buy the pass.like,I like Enchantment wizard cap,why should I spend for Prophesy. This is like trying to bind two irrelevant things together.
eager ferry
Honestly, I dont want ult gifts back. I'm not a veteran, i'm just selfish I wanna be special with my manta cape that I never wear at all
white raven
@icy dragon its next to the entrance to the trial of fire
spark lance
Honestly, players still need to grind candles if they introduce this update. From what I saw logging in beta earlier. Players who are okay with this, would still be upset, not only they need to buy the AP but also need to grind candles. For people who can't buy APs, it'll just be freedom for them (though anger for not being able to buy TS)
tacit stone
@tacit stone most things always start in beta, and if we’re quiet about them, then they’ll definitely make it to live without any change hahaha
@rain delta No, i was replying to people who kept asking why is it Belonging. Its nvr the main concern of the TS system change
potent heron
TGC openly saying they don't want poor people to play their game lol
@boreal panther TGC openly saying they don't want to go bankrupt
undone lantern
This game is about friendliness and all I can see it the Selfishness that don'tvwant to share thing because of their pride.
wheat heath
I kind of play the game and grind for candles jUst for traveling spirits, if cosmetics start becoming Unavailable with the new system, I genUinely think I won’t play anymore becaUse I don’t have the money for every pass. I believe that new players will be tUrned away from playing the game if so many things are pUt behind a paywall. So in the end the only people that woUld be playing are people that will play for adventUre pass so jUst make the game cost something at that point instead of doing adventUre pass.
spark lance
I liked pendants the way they are because u can see where players joined, if u take that away u dont know if they joined in the same season as u
proper helm
If this update goes live... TGC digging Sky's own grave..
RIP Sky.. May u live in our hearts forever
icy dragon
@white raven you mean next to the door? Cause I never saw it there :,)))
thin shell
pendants are the real ultimate gift
cloud palm
TGC openly saying they don't want poor people to play their game lol
@boreal panther that would be a lie, since “poor” people are a large majority of the game
spark lance
TGC openly saying they don't want poor people to play their game lol
@boreal panther TGC is openly saying, gosh darn people, you always have something to complain about
worn kelp
Early access purchases aren't uncommon at all, think youtuber patreon early access to videos rewards.
The worth of many things goes down as time goes by. Depending on where you live you can spend thousands on a couch and will have to spend as much money to get rid of it if you want a new couch (your best bet is to give it away) (because of trash taxes- I know it's unnecessarily specific but we made the mistake of accepting free couches that are now piled in our basement... Anyways this is just the most extreme example of worth going down I could think of)
rain delta
Guys the current TS is from gratitude 😂 everyone keeps sayin it’s from belonging... remember belonging had silk capes with diamonds on them
fiery sun
bring back the ults but not the pendants
radiant drum
Let's keep chat respectful now, no snarky comments even as a joke
kindred bluff
if ultimate gifts and all spirits return as well as the pendants the top gear special stuff would be event IAPS which isnt as fun as the seasons themselves, just a "omg look at this hat" and then realizing you'll never wear it again (me with the earth day cape )
jolly juniper
im fine with ts, cause it lets new players get things from past season but honestly id leave ult gifts out the picture. its basically a symol of what a person had paid for. i sound like a selfish veteran ik but like, beta has a smaller player base than live and im pretty sure that live players would also be kinda baffled if ults were to return out of nowhere
tacit stone
And you openly step into Sky without paying anything and you enjoy a totally ad-free experience with skills and constellations available to everyone Appreciate
eager ferry
TGC having vietnam war flashbacks to journey.. We don't want that happening again
spark lance
bring back the ults but not the pendants
@fiery sun I kinda like this
If TGC doesn't want to ruin vets'(who bought APs) "prides" then don't bring back the Ults, I know it wasn't written in the updates, but they'll feel more "special" having the ults even if new players have the same items as them
solar oar
Ts is good but finishing the normal spirit constellation is my priority now.. i just finish my third constellation.. now working on fourth which is valley..
spark lance
Im only worried that if ults return it will be like ts and everyone in your friend constellation has that item- and then it wouldnt really be ultimate
proper helm
But they can bring the ultimates as permanent IAPs with the pendants included for about $1-$5 depending on the ultimate..
sturdy anvil
If this update goes live... TGC digging Sky's own grave..
RIP Sky.. May u live in our hearts forever
@proper helm actually they will be fine, they don't have ads so player number doesn’t affect their finances.They will be better off with more ppl paying real money however.
thin shell
@spark lance btw I love how you look in-game
celest meteor
The point of running through the sky's worlds is doing candle run with this new sistem i dont see the needed
undone lantern
I think the new TS system is fine, Except that what will hapoen to people who buy Share Pass. Maybe you should let the Owner of Share pass share it in Preorder time
rare glade
TGC having vietnam war flashbacks to journey..
@eager ferry what happened with Journey?
turbid heart
A game capitalized on “sharing is caring” yet the players don’t wanna share
spark lance
Okay, so talking about ultimates coming back, what about upgrading the ultis from the original seasons (veterans) more epic, shiny shiny, etc etc, then giving the latecomers the chance to get them but only in basic form, like simpler versions/ less epic? The original ultis worn by actual veterans will still be like crowns and halos
limpid nova
TGC having vietnam war flashbacks to journey..
@eager ferry
exactly why i feel super divided
neat crown
can anyone enlighten me of whats going on with the ts system (no worries i know its only in beta) in simple words..still confuse and genuinely curious (dm is fine too)
jolly juniper
idk for me, its more like, “whats the point in buying the pass anymore? id just wait for it to return” i also dont get the whole hate for veterans tbh
safe ridge
Leave the Ultimate Gifts to the veterans, there are far more better things ahead.
cloud palm
But they can bring the ultimates as permanent IAPs with the pendants included for about $1-$5 depending on the ultimate..
@proper helm 1-5 dollars is to little, atleast 15 dollars since veterans would go angry with ultimates cheaper then what they payed for, also I wouldn’t bring back the pendants
white raven
wait wait wait... there are a lot of people who buy seasonpasses together to save money...but the ones who wait to get gifted after the season starts won't be able to get the items even tho they bought the ap?
can...can somebody explain to me ;o; im confused
tacit stone
Sometimes I think TGC is promoting diversity and kindness in the whole game experience but some players do take that for granted. TGC is still a commercial company who needs to feed their kids
fiery sun
wait why are we talking about ultimate gifts again?
latent oar
We have loop dance left for Belonging TS right..? And there are items released as an IAP catch up pack from that spirit.
Would it be the case if only those items which had a comeback as IAP already, would applied this new system?
spark lance
I was thinking we could have like ultimate gifts return but they could be slightly different or something, like orange turban and a cosmic manta cape
kindred bluff
if the ultimates, pendants, and spirits all return.. was there even a season to begin with? or were we in the season this whole time?
(btw i like TS a lot, my opinion was rusty on them when i first saw them but now i enjoy the idea and as long as they dont touch pendants at the least its fine 
)
leaden wing
Okay so is everyone remaining a shiny boi after their trial? 😹
proper helm
@proper helm 1-5 dollars is to little, atleast 15 dollars since veterans would go angry with ultimates cheaper then what they payed for, also I wouldn’t bring back the pendants
@cloud palm why $15 for just a single item when the pass itself cost $10 which gave a lot of items?
thin shell
@neat crown basically needs the current AP if the cosmetic needed AP during it's respective season.
swift edge
A game capitalized on “sharing is caring” yet the players don’t wanna share
@turbid heart
Some of us want to share but Sky won't allow....
Then we want to play together and the server split us
celest meteor
Im still waiting for an usefull ultimate gif xd????
wind roost
I dislike the thought that some people think having better or old cosmetics makes them superior. Sky isn't based off of cosmetics, cosmetics do not matter as much. You're basically gray half the time to strangers.
limpid nova
honestly as a f2p nonvet, im on the side that doesnt bring back the ults. idk from the start when i learned about seasons i just thought, "they spent real money to collect hearts for those ults, id like them to keep that"
rain delta
At this point, I’m just curious to see how this will unfold
spark lance
I dislike the thought that some people think having better or old cosmetics makes them superior. Sky isn't based off of cosmetics, cosmetics do not matter as much. You're basically gray half the time to strangers.
@wind roost facts
jolly juniper
i mean honestly if they were to bring back ults, they should do it in a spell way but like its limited on when you can get those spells.
wheat heath
I’ll jUst say, there is nothing on Ult gifts coming back or pendants so no reason to be discUssing it. I don’t even wanna toUch those topics with a 10 foot pole.
cloud palm
@cloud palm why $15 for just a single item when the pass itself cost $10 which gave a lot of items?
@proper helm just in case the veterans gets angry, plus it would be unfair to people who had it before
turbid heart
@swift edge , the main darkness of Sky isn’t Krill or Eden, it’s server split.
dim tapir
For the newer players who became interested, Journey almost made tgc go bankrupt. Just because you’re playing a wholesome game that’s served to you for basically free it doesn’t mean you know what’s going on in the background. Please keep the conversation at respectful levels. Good vibes everyone!
tacit stone
How about TGC create a fashion game to cater to cosmetics collector? Every time you change your clothes earns you a candle to shop for more clothes so you spend entire day in the wardrobe
radiant drum
Please refrain from reacting to other member's messages with negative reactions if you disagree with them, I understand slowmode is long but it can be seen as rude and unconstructive. Share your thoughts on your own message and explain why you disagree instead
eager ferry
i mean honestly if they were to bring back ults, they should do it in a spell way but like its limited on when you can get those spells.
@jolly juniper I really like that idea, chief
thin shell
I was thinking we could have like ultimate gifts return but they could be slightly different or something, like orange turban and a cosmic manta cape
@spark lance so like a reskin? or a downgraded version of the ultimate gift?
spark lance
I’m curious. There was no patch update about ultimate gifts, right? Or am I wrong??? Why is everyone talking about ultimate gifts though?
swift edge
I am telling u all that people created a game inside Sky where who have more cosmetics win
sturdy anvil
All this talk about money has made me interested in checking TGCs Finances(at least available online) like how many ppl work their, how much revenue they make with passes and event items like lantern, what remains as profit for everyone. Maybe we will better understand the situation if we take a look
proper helm
@proper helm just in case the veterans gets angry, plus it would be unfair to people who had it before
@cloud palm Well, there's no reason for someone to be angry cuz other people are gonna pay too
spark lance
Not downgraded, cosmic manta cape would be cooler then normal manta cape
latent oar
@spark lance It's our daily routine here /joke