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We dont want a shop lmao, something that would make sanctuary more fun
right
I think it woul dbe super creepy to have the spirits just standing there forever after finishing the season.
I think it woul dbe super creepy to have the spirits just standing there forever after finishing the season.
@hollow compass
Ifkrš
probably bugged? two spirits vanished for me
I insist on it. It would have been nice to have the mantha cape with some skills. Like: calling the manthas near you, in the world of sky, while you flying and charging very quickly your cape, or a cape which lets you fly more then the others, slowly blowing off your wings... I dunno, I was expecting something like this for this season, after the last cosmetics... 
Yes, usually they do fly away after the ending cut scene.
probably bugged? two spirits vanished for me
@kindred fossil
The grouching guy is next to the beol tower i think
I think as a final cutscene it wouldve ben cool a giant manta appear with a very small island on its back and that island to have like chairs for us to sit and maybe other stuff too
I insist on it. It would have been nice to have the mantha cape with some skills. Like: calling the manthas near you, in the world of sky, while you flying and charging very quickly your cape, or a cape which lets you fly more then the others, slowly blowing off your wings... I dunno, I was expecting something like this for this season, after the last cosmetics...
@spark lance
This would actually be a GREAT idea, and it's something practical like in belonging or lightseekers
I'm going to have a little think about what feedback to give. Lots of thoughts so far!
The last three seasons have just cosmetics which are just THERE and do nothing š
or, a beach ball, yes we get a beach ball to play with
The Hiking Grouch be like;
I don't want to participate on Manta Watching
a giant beach ball
OMG WE NEED A BEACH BALL
I think it's fine that ultimate rewards do not have a function, since that does give you an unfair advantage to someone who wasn't part of the season.
But i think some capes SHOULD have special effects like you say.like the manta cape being able to someowhat make a manta follow you since it thinks you are an actual manta or something lmao
Itās not unfair to me, one cannot think about the people who donāt play the game š¤·š»āāļø
And the devs can think on a way to let the new gamers pursuit the ultimate gifts they missed, like they are actually doing...so...
I think it's fine that ultimate rewards do not have a function, since that does give you an unfair advantage to someone who wasn't part of the season.
@hollow compass
We android users missed out on both lightseekers and belonging, both of which had practical uses so I don't see how it's unfair for season ultimates to have SOMETHING special to it
What I mean is that there are other items with functions that anyone can get, like the chair. All seasonal items except the bonfire and the umbrella, have been just cosmetics. I think that's more fair to anyone who come along later, regardless of platform. (Can we stop with the Android woes, please, lol?)
Omg does anyone know what the sleeping spirit at home will do?
not yet, we'll know tomorrow
not until an official word is out, no
I have no idea 
I CANNOT WAITTTTT
Iām confused, I upgraded all the seasonal spirits, unlocked everything, but I I canāt complete the season, Donāt have 3 hearts!, Game says, I havenāt upgraded all the spirits but I have, there are no more seasonal spirits to upgrade
Ngl i was expecting a new creature to pop up when the last treasure hunt cutscene came out lmao
unless the seasons becomes a yearly cycle where the ultimate gifts repeat, or be better in future.
@spark lance thatskyshopćcom
@spark lance have you bought an ultimate before they were properly implemented?
What ultimate?@dark
What I mean is that there are other items with functions that anyone can get, like the chair. All seasonal items except the bonfire and the umbrella, have been just cosmetics. I think that's more fair to anyone who come along later, regardless of platform. (Can we stop with the Android woes, please, lol?)
@hollow compass
I don't understand what you mean by "fair" here lol also fine, if we DO put aside 'android woes' completing an ENTIRE season and grinding everyday for 2 months and finally getting the ultimate should have SOME benefit, which is different from a orange cape you get for 3 hearts you know?
By the way, Iām a shepherd it seems...how could I join the community shepherd?
OMG YALL ITS JUST MERCHANDISE LMAOOO. SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT BUT I KINDA DIDNT WANT TO BELIEVE IT LMAOO
@spark lance
doesn't matter which, back when they were a 'null' item, appeared as š« icon
I donāt believe so
@spark lance the community shepherd program is unrelated to the ranking system in beta
are you 100% certain, skylar?
Everything that I purchased actually was an item, no š«icon
@dusky spoke I mean that having an ultimate reward that also has a function that gives you an advantage is unfair, because at present there is no way for new players to get those ultimate rewards, unlike the regular seasonal items that return with TS.
The quests arenāt confusing at all, unless you were expecting a shop at the end. The season is for sanctuary (Safety, Protection). Essentially this is the creatures home that we are restoring for them, Calling them back to safety. The wasteland is a barren and dark place of course if you restore it with the magic of sky the impact will be polar opposite. The sanctuary islands seem untouched by the spirits and used more by the creatures. The only structure we see is the bell tower. This was for the creatures, not us
:

That's a nice way of looking at it!
That was very well said
i wasn't expecting anything at all, but that helps clearing it up
I think I was mainly confused because I did all first five quests in a row and everything got a little jumbled. Perhaps it will be more evident in Live.
@dusky spoke Unclear why the
react. We must be able to have a discussion and not agree on everything here. And perhaps you also agree that the bonfire gives you an advantage in for example Wasteland and Eden? I found it very useful for that horrible carry quest up the mountain in Sanctuary, even.
@dusky spoke I mean that having an ultimate reward that also has a function that gives you an advantage is unfair, because at present there is no way for new players to get those ultimate rewards, unlike the regular seasonal items that return with TS.
@hollow compass I think, the devs are thinking on a way to let the new gamers of sky to purchase the previous ultimate gifts. If they are not doing it, they should š if this point could be fixed, we can think about special gifts, not just cosmetics, and help them with ideas. Iām just saying - let be the mantha cape (mantha is a very special being in sky) a special gift, not just cosmetic, itās nice to think about the future gamers, but letās think about who is playing now the game
I'm a regular bonfire user here. That gift suppose to act like a table for social networking. It's helpful for recharging a solo wanderer and also helping others when burning dark plants in wasteland.
Plus, if you have the campfire, for example, and you are doing wasteland, you can leave it on the ground for other players and share it. If the campfire didnāt have this ability, you couldnāt share it with others
that is correct.
I actually think that the regular spirit constellation Elder items should be changed to these more useful ones instead. But that would mean a complete overhaul of the game and it's a little late to go back now.
The problem here isnāt about whether or not they should return ultimate items though, They should. BUT you have to remember that the first 3-4 seasons where advertised to players that they would never return to the game. TCG have to think of a way to bring back the items while keeping ALL players happy, not just new ones. The ultimate items are essentially the physical manifestation of the entire season wrapped up into one cosmetic item. If you werenāt there to experience the season you shouldnāt be able to get the ultimate item. Rather a variant of it instead. Allow the ultimates to return but in different colour variations. A deer mask with silver antlers instead of gold. A blue flamed campfire instead of yellow. Just subtle differences that allow new players to enjoy old items but for veteran players to enjoy the authenticity of theirs.
Sometimes it became a joking arounds with buddys when we are playing the crabs talking about food in rl 
Azaura, that's not what I was talking about at all. But it's an interesting comment on a different issue. 
mindset mindset mindseeeetttttt becomes crooked silly
Were you not talking about the fairness around ultimate items?
On a different issue, what about the ones who didnāt got to finish it? Shouldnāt they get a chance to still get ultimate reward? If they had the seasonal pass
yes pls give me a chance i was merely a few candles short 
Azaura, yes, but not in that sense. I wasn't talking about them returning or not. I meant that ultimate rewards in seasons shouldn't be functional, but rather just outstanding in a cosmetic way - like the deer mask.
same hereš„ŗ
I wished we could still get them, I mean after all we did pay for the season, but events can happen and end up short in candles.
So if I technically paid for the ultimate reward, shouldnāt I still be able to access it?
Not really. You do still have to grind for the items in each season. Otherwise, people would just not be playing.
@hollow compass I don't think that argument holds up. I've seen people with manta cape already who probably bought a ton of candles to get it early, and they still play regularly.
I mean that you farm for the seasonal spirits,
But you can still get the ultimate reward even tho you didnāt finish
I have the mantha cape and I havenāt bought any candles, cause the shop is empty š¤ I just got it testing the game every day
@cobalt hare um, they paid for candles then. I was talking about getting the ultimate reward without doing anything.
I have the mantha cape and I havenāt bought any candles, cause the shop is empty š¤ I just got it
@spark lance same just got it today
I got the manta cape in beta yesterday.
Reign you still have to farm for the items. If you know your going to fall short for the ultimate reward you have the option to buy seasonal candles from the shop, if you miss the ultimate you blew your shot
That's literally what I said. The argument that people need to grind in order to play doesn't work, because plenty of people play the game without grinding. I'm talking about people with manta cape on live already.
@cobalt hare um, they paid for candles then. I was talking about getting the ultimate reward without doing anything.
@hollow compass not mean not doing anything, just being allowed to keep going but not the spirits you missed but the reward
Obviously if you don't have money, you still need to grind, but there are definitely whales in this game
Sorry, I have no idea what either of you are trying to say now. I said: you still have to make an effort in order to get the ultimate items in the season, either by grinding for candles or buying candle packs. If you could just get the ultimate item because you bought the AP there would be no point in playing the season at all.
One can choose between pay or play, thatās freedom, how could it affect you?
One can choose between pay or play, thatās freedom, how could it affect you?
@spark lance
Wdym
Maybe I got wrong what you said šš
If you want a free item that comes with the pass, weāve got pendant. Ultimate rewards need effort to get it thatās why its called ultimate. If itās free from the beginning it wouldnāt be an ultimate reward then lol
Exactly.
@hollow compass the thing is some start the season a bit too late, and buying candles is not a free option. So you grind to as many candles and get as much as you can. But you bought the pass, Iām not saying get it with no effort, Iām saying we should smh get a chance to still get it by making an effort with normal candles or Ascended Candles
@hollow compass
There's no effort involved if you buy 300 seasonal candles from the store. People who do that still play the game.
You originally said that the only reason people play is because there's grinding, but that's not true.
Not really. You do still have to grind for the items in each season. Otherwise, people would just not be playing.
Oml not this topic again
@cobalt hare You're putting words in my mouth or taking things out of context. The point of the discussion was whether the ultimate reward should be available just because you bought the AP, not how you played the season.
You still have to either grind or buy the candles. You can't just cash in the ultimate without some effort towards it.
Let's stop now, yes. 
I was only debating your way of arguing whether the ultimate reward should be brought back or not. Not everyone plays the game just to grind, that much I know is true.
Totally agree with the suggestion of bringing back previous stuff with small variations. It could be a way to make if fair for everyone.
I wasn't debating if the ultimate rewards should be brought back? 
Via whether or not you made IAP
Sorry, you lost me now.
Forget it, it's not important lol. Not worth this much discussion.
Ok. Just for the record, I was only responding to someone saying they should get the ultimate just for buying the AP, even if they didn't complete the season. I had nothing to do with bringing back the ultimates. If that's what you were talking about?
What are everyoneās theories on the sleeping merchant? 
Sandwiches!
I need more info, flavours, crustless?
SMOOTHIES
It's for the merch store aza
Smooth or chunky?
We don't know if there's anything in addition to the merch store, but I think it's unlikely that there is
Smooth or chunky?
@hasty vessel
Both.
I am hoping it could past selling items, that bat cape is.... amazing
Or pancakes š„āØ
Both as well
I originally thought that since there's a boat, it could be taking us to another area, but we know it has to do with the merch store now.
Hehehe
Iām lowkey praying that all the items in the merch store have an in game item attached to them 
Yes, I think that would be a good idea.
What type of merch items are you guys hoping for the most?
Long long long Long long long hair
I'd love to have crab and krill plushies 
cape blankets 
I think customizable figures would be really cool, but I think that's a bit too advanced to expect.
I would also buy the art book they said they were putting together.
with a little educative element in them
Hoping for the soundtrack
They said they were starting merch in small batches, so Iām assuming for now it may just be tshirts
but I hope for crab plushie
The Instagram page for the sky shop has 12 hidden posts. That could indicate how many different items will be available š¤
@cobalt hare Can u send me the insta link ?
Thank you
Np :3
Hyped for merch but probs won't buy them 
The jelly hat just made me think of āCrack an egg on your head, let the yolk drip down.ā
Did I just date myself?
it does look like an egg
Does anyone else know that kids game or what ever it was?
Yeah I don't know it either
Lol
Iām from the uk though, so Iām probably just ignorant to it
Idk, US has a lot of weird games like that. There's one with a garden or something like that which you do on somebody's arm
You would basically tickle your friendās back and give them chills
Anyway, I hadnāt thought of it in forever and it just popped up in my head bc of that jelly hat
Life is weird
Bonfire, because I'm late. No
OKAY GUYS?? UPDATE ON THE SHOP COLORS AGAIN
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461569667148808194/733273646268678174/image0.png
so... hyped

Lizard man is almost awake
Theyāre almost out of Hibernation š¦š§
@dusky spoke Unclear why the
react. We must be able to have a discussion and not agree on everything here. And perhaps you also agree that the bonfire gives you an advantage in for example Wasteland and Eden? I found it very useful for that horrible carry quest up the mountain in Sanctuary, even.
@hollow compass
Well if we are to have a discussion and not agree on everything i feel me simply reactinginstead of continuing on with the debate is totally valid
However since you decided to bring it up again, as you said yes the bonfire is infact super useful, and you are still reaping it's benefits, now it's because you have PAID for it and played in the season, hence your advantage, just like that for the current players and not the future ones who are yet to even discover sky all i ask for is something similar to it, it doesn't NOT need to be something practical, but simply atleast which is a bit different from your normal items you get i mean it is an ultimate i do not ask for an unfair advantage but simply a cosmetic which is special in some way.
isle might be being blown up in the sky shop actually um
what is the sleeping spirit? merch shop?
most certainly it has to do with the sky shop but nobody knows exactly what lizard man does yet
all he does is sleep, eat hot chip and lie
BDHAHAH
Theory on shop colors: it went from dark to pinky/orange because the sun is rising and sleepy spirit well wake up 
Iām wondering what the spirits are looking at , after the last quest š¤
What if when you order the sky art book, you would also get an additional ingame book back item 
Iām wondering what the spirits are looking at , after the last quest š¤
@vapid drum towards the horizon
Would be nice if you could fly towards what they are looking at , and a new area would be available there š„°
they were all looking at the flock of mantas
Those are long gone after the cut scene š
then a starring contest against the megabird
tough competition, as adults cease their blinking abilities way past their developmental years
@dusky spoke The
react implies to me that you find my comment stupid or unnecessary. Hence my response. But I might be reading too much into it and I apologise.
Good happy morning everyone āļø coffee time
sipp
So after the last quest, mantas came and thats it?
yeah,
Ohhh
Yes thatās it. Looks nice and the manta drill is fun
. But i bet a some player wish those were all krills instead of mantas.

I only had 4 spirits standing there even though i have unlocked them all
Can the new mantas kidnap you 
Ye
They even go into the caves sometimes
Then they should fix this
im not sure if all the mantas can carry you
at one point, i was flying around and manta flew along with me without carrying me, which was kinda cute
@spark lance it's bugged, i assume all spirits are supposed to fade away just like in enchantment
Yeah I know some mantas don't kidnap
Smaller ones wonāt carry you i think but I havenāt tried all of them yet 
They always turn me in the wrong direction especially in forest 
Lizard man, our sleeping God is almost awake
Also sanctuary island is a mess for me rn mantas everywhere
I like it though
manta season
Hell yeah brother

The mantas in prairie kidnappings happens when burning š„µ darkness
What are you all referring to with the spirits
Dang Iām.. I donāt know.. a little disappointed about the last quest.. is really nice to have the mantas group.. ok.. but the whale? The nice crabs on the beach.. the seashells? I dunnoooooooooooooo haha
The season is over in 6 days, and the life version is still more than two months. The empty window period of the test suit is so long
They were creepy
Like they were possessed
Yeah that last quest was underwhelming. Was hoping the bells served some purpose besides just summoning a lot of manta
the mantas are everywhere now and recharge you so maybe that was the purpose 
Is the sanctuary area somehow unavailable for beta?
Iām trying to go there but thereās a wind barrier I canāt go in
WHY CAN'T I FIND THE POND OF THE LAST FREAKIN BELL
@steep ferry it's the really high waterfall where the big manta flies up to above the clouds
Is the sanctuary area somehow unavailable for beta?
@near mason it's still available. you might have flown past the teleport point by accident just go back a little because the tp point is near the edge facing birds nest. the wind wall is on the edge "facing" sanctuary
Alright thank you! 
sometimes I have to bob up and down a bit to teleport
it can be tricky occasionally
;-; yea it's on my private island, I thought so ;-;-;-;-;-; lol
I claimed that island as my own when sanctuary was released to beta
but TGC be like nO sHaRe
I actually guessed that the broken bell up there was gonna be one of the quests early on and I was right!
Did anyone have a problem getting the second bell/map (for the final quest today) ?
I see blue sparkles
no problems here. are you at the right map and bell? map is in the cave with jellyfish call spirit and bell is on the floating island above the clouds with a waterfall
mine was totally normal. (IOS) āØ
Hmm okay Iām iOS as well maybe I didnāt go to the right spot
The huge manta can carry you there
Each bell has something grander and grander happen, with each seeming to have a purpose of summoning a different creature. The final one bringing them all together seems to be missing something... Like it all should have a reason to get these mantas flying around together.
The bells in Prairie summon mantas who bring the birds. There are some additional light effects coming off the clouds. Just seems like having them all flocking together like that would cause something the ancestors would have wanted. Maybe birds or some kind of light/energy?
Oh he started carrying me there but I got off thinking I had to go down into the cave with the waterfall and jellyfish/star - thank you!!!
I think the cave just has the map
yeah the cave is just the map to tell you where the bell is
Thanks @tender oasis
I posted pics
Ty amie!! Iāll check it out
You're welcome. Have fun with het big manta againš
I decided to be stubborn and fly up there myself without the big manta

You could do that!? Ahah
I agree @slow narwhal now that I got there. Still pretty and I like the little mantas a lot but maybe they have more planned later..
Yeah hahaha, i just rode the clouds up until I got there 
I did it with only 4 flaps (went to eden and haven't collected wing lights yet). it's doable if you start from the floating island that the one wing light is on, ride the geyser up to the floating island, take a running leap off the edge and immediately switch to glide mode and pray you make it to the clouds to recharge before you run out of wings 
It is fun, just yeah feels like we were built up for something that didn't happen
Haha nice Kai!
I used two geysers to get me above the main island, then I glided up to the clouds, flapping only when necessary. Once I got up there, it was just a matter of circling a few times to get the right angle 
oh that's a good plan
Would be nice to see a purpose for the manta party, like maybe them getting together and causing a ruckus summons some crazy big manta who tells them to settle down it's too early for this sort of thing.
And if you guys pay attention while flying with the mantas they start to get all around you.. but like in a creepy way, seems like theyāre chasing you and theyāre ready to eat you haha š
I saw a friend dive into a geyser as it went off and got blasted insanely high
Easily to the level of the floating island
yeah, it blasts you into the heavens if you flew by just at the right time lol
Why does the giant manta turn around before dropping you at the waterfall? I had to jump off and fly the rest of the way
The path also seems to have changed somewhat since the start of the season?
He went through the clouds this time
One seems tethered to the island where it gets you close then heads back, the other paths back and forth and actually flies up to and closer to the higher waterfall and loops around.
But how do you know which is which until youāre on it?
I just flew up and grabbed onto one
You have to watch them š
so I guess we who canāt get manta cape cannot unlock ultimate reward in the constellation
Confusing
So sad
One will fly up on its own without a rider. But either way I found I was easily close enough to get to the falls.
If you had trouble it would be good feedback!
Just confusing bc I didnāt expect to have to fly part of the way
I at least need a video on it hint š¤«hint š¤
And my view was just a lot of white when he went through the clouds
He also just didnāt seem to want me on his back and was just dragging me off to the side 
@fresh crater There doesn't seem to be any other reward other than the instrument and Manta cape. Clicking on the center doesn't do anything but give you some text. I'll put up a screenshot.
the ultimate reward in the constellation is the manta cape though. we can't watch the final goodbye to the spirits cutscene in beta if we can't get the manta cape though
I didn't see a cutscene
Thereās no cutscene in the constellation
Just the one with the bell
sometimes beta just doesn't get it in general. we didn't in enchantment
Just like there wasnāt one for Enchantment. The cutscene is now tied to the quests instead of the cosmetics
The center used to give a gift or play/replay a cutscene but yeah... Seems to be a remnant at this point.
It would be cool if the spirit would let us replay all the cutscenes
It is a bit wonky staying on the giant mantas. Sometimes I can sit still and have no problem, other times I get pushed to one side and have to maneuver. I try to stay on top the head.
We need more crabs š¦ haha
The innocent ones
I want to meet friendly crabs 
That was actually part of my feedback idea! It would be cool if after the final cutscene, something happened like perhaps bringing peace to all creatures on the island ā and making the crabs friendly like the ones in the office

I wanna bring one of the angry crabs out to the friendly ones and see what happens 
It'd be cute to see if without corruption they're actually colorful or something
I flew up to the island without the big manta.
Tho I had the manta cape on so I was basically a manta anyway wwww hddhshs
yeah it's possible on your own that manta is stubborn anyway
@dusky spoke The
react implies to me that you find my comment stupid or unnecessary. Hence my response. But I might be reading too much into it and I apologise.
@hollow compass
Nooo i meant it like I'm sad for that comment not like that oof sorry for the misunderstanding![]()
I was so surprised to see that there are loooots of manta now 
Hello, i never come in this chat because i play live version, but i hope it's ok for me to ask. What's the shop? The one with the sleeping traveller
Everyone will know of it's use tomorrow@indigo moth
Even beta doesn't know anything yet :")
Ohh ok, thank you !
I've got 2 bugs to report, soon as I go on break. One was the timid bookworm being literally fuzzy the other, was how the cut scene when I went back to the spirit.... Well it's probably more of an annoyance, but the screen lingered on the bell tower very slowly zooming in for a full 2 minutes
@dusky spoke All good! Silly how easy it is to misunderstand each other on the internet. 
I actually thought the last cutscene was just two extra mantas coming to the island, but I was wrong.... Very very wrong
maybe in future.
I have a feeling the cutscene which we saw today is a mere placeholder. In live there are 5.5 weeks left so tgc may be still working on the final cutscene and its impact on Sanctuary.
yeah, but i doubt it'll change drastically once live
I canāt wait for the manta flock to hit live, I wanna play a game with friends: collect as many manta and have them follow you in one massive ball 
wow the final cutscene seemed so plain compared to enchantment,, not that it's bad ofc
So are the mantas the only new thing for the final bell or am I missing something?
yes they are apparently
I wonder what the grey spirits are for. It would be cool if lighting them up or something would let us relive their quests. Iād love to do manta shard collection again 
I'm thinking it might be something that maybe didn't get finished? I feel like all of the seasonal spirits were probably supposed to appear on the hill behind the quest giver and kind of say goodbye, like what happened during Enchantment's final cutscene. But either it's not finished or maybe it didn't work as intended? This is just a guess, but it doesn't seem to me like they're supposed to just stay standing there after it's over (and also a couple of the spirits were missing)
yea I also feel the cutscene isnt finished yet š especially since we're used to testing season ending stuff closer to the ending of the season in live
oh yeah thatās very probable. also lol enchantment... I miss being judged by the light counsel
In case they are still finishing the cutscene, I took notes on what I liked/disliked and what I thought could be added to improve the experience to submit as feedback. 
yeah it's more likely that it's bugged, since 2 spirits end up vanishing
...it's sort of in-character for those 2 spirits that left
grouch is so fed up and wanted to leave early, and chill sunbather is... chill sunbather lol
peace out āļøš
that wouldnt be totally out of character tbh, leave it like that 
I mean grouch got dragged up that entire mountain jus to see some baby mantas flying about. I bet he was thinking "could have seen this from the ground"
got me thinking though. why can't the ancestors fly like skykids?
I canāt enter sanctuary. Anyone else not able to?
fly back towards bird's nest, you missed the warp zone
from the first cutscene sky kids mission is to bring stars back home, so I guess they have the ability to fly for that purpose
ancestors just chilled
whose memories are we catching in catch the lights spirit memories if they cant fly then :v mantas?
I read that several times and I still don't understand what you're saying.
Sorry.
shfhffgdh I just pictured a spirit riding a a manta like itās a hover board
i dont know how to word it better
ā”radical!!ā”
um, maybe punctuation is missing?
Is it: Whose memories are we catching in "catch the lights" spirits' memories, if they can't fly, then: mantas'?
Oh, now I get your question! You're asking about the spirit where we have to fly around and catch light?
i like to think weāre reliving that spiritās daydream of flying around like a manta
Yes, either that or we are indeed catching birds/mantas?
But wait, isn't that the cheerful one? Er, the one with the manta suit?
I'm sorry, I got all the spirits a little confused. Which one is the one where we have to fly around and catch light?
theyāre the manta suit spirit, aka rallying thrillseeker 
Yes. Ok. So if he is rallying, what is he rallying? Perhaps calling on the birds and mantas to fly around the islands in some sort of race?
perhaps, yeah
He daydreams the mantas are racing maybe he wishes he was a manta, hense the manta suit
It's a valid daydream tbf
Haha right? I think we all want to be mantas 
i wasnāt paying attention where is the hint for the last quest ?
in the cave with the jellyfish whisperer spirit
Thank you kindly 
where did Giccix go? 
I still donāt get how discord works š
oh did you ping me by mistake?
Yeah I donāt think itās finished yet
I wanted to quote your message and then I got an error from Clyde the bot š¤£
huh weird. probably was a discord error if clydebot told you there was an error. sometimes discord just breaks for no good reason 
just disconnect your data and you get clyde bot to visit you
When I dunno why the wifi keeps disturbing me when I try to do a smooth run
Sorry, i got distracted
but yes I was curious about whose memories we were reliving in quests like the
spirit memories. Joshur I like your theory 
I really liked the shy bookworm (?) memory. In my imagination the quest giver might be the butterfly spirit or maybe a relative of them, because it's one of my favourite spirits.
I could not see what was going on for the timid bookworm spirit as the spirits are translucent and the whole memory is displayed against a bright background. So to me that one will remain a mystery, sadly.
Yes, that was my main complaint for most of them. I asked in Live channel about the jellyfish call one, because I honestly had no idea what was going on there. People suggested they were just jumping around on jellyfish for fun.
Me too, it was a feedback I gave in beta. In Live the jelly whisperer was somewhat better. I think he was listening to the jelly sounds. But for what purpose, I have no clue.
Do you get 12 seasonal candles per day in beta?
11
Btw, I interpreted the timid bookworm memory as the quest giver trying to show her the butterflies and maybe not quite catching her attention all the time. In the end he catches a blue butterfly and she gets up from reading her book and tries to catch it.
Okay, thanks
Blue butterfly, reminds me of Life is Strange.
Hey yāall where the newest bell at? I canāt seem to find it in then jelly cave
The bell is somewhere else. The map with the hint is in the cave.
aah right, ty!
When I watched the cutscene in live game I saw she was reading a book. In my language we say book moth instead of bookworm, so that made me think how fitting this spirit has the butterfly cape āŗļø
When I watched the cutscene in live game I saw she was reading a book. In my language we say book moth instead of bookworm, so that made me think how fitting this spirit has the butterfly cape āŗļø
@elder musk
Ooh! That's a really cool observation! I never saw that parallel
Hey yāall Iāve got small brain, whereās the final bell at?
I like how happy these spirits memories are compared to some of the regular ones.
Hop on the big manta and ride it till you see a floating island with 3 waterfalls, jump off and fly thatbway
ah thank you!
Anyone else have a random windwall so they can't get into sanctuary
Fly backwards to the bigger islands then try again, or reload the game
the windwall has always been there. just that sometimes you miss the teleport point and have to go back a little
Iāve considered asking a moth friend of mine if they could sacrifice that spirit so I could get good pics of jelly call while greyed out but I donāt want to do that to them
But I did notice cause the belly pat spirit is a carry quest that either the crabs stole the spiritās sunhat and glasses and the quest giver was helping them get it back, or the spirit was playing dress up with them and the quest giver was defending the crabs 
Yes, what is the quest giver offering belly pat at the end? Is it a crab?
The quest giver shakes his head when he returns the š¶ and the hat to the spirit. That spirit is very lazy. Probably he fell asleep and the crabs stole his things and the quest giver helped to get them back. But tummy rub: did he eat a crab? š
Itās his cape and sunglasses I think
Game my back my heart Devvvvvvvv
The quest giver @ belly pat https://youtu.be/CZgGSxYq_ww
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beta doesn't compensate for lost currency
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Hey wouldnāt it be cool if we could spend a really high amount of candles to get a special code that would give us a discount on everything in the store??
I don't think they would do that because it would essentially be exchanging virtual currency that I'm assuming you didn't buy (why would you buy virtual currency to get a store discount) for real products. Merch isn't a high profit margin to begin with
my brain is too small to work out the economics 
economics is too big of a subject to handle alone. You need expertise
I haven't taken an economics class in years. I only vaguely remember stuff like this so I couldn't give you the exact maths but I do know offering stuff at a discount usually means at a loss and they're taking the loss over the item taking up storage space that new profitable items could be using. and a slight loss is better than loss of the full cost of producing the item. so I guess if the merch sticks around long enough they'd discount it just to make it go away and to eat less of a loss than never selling it at all.
the other option for less reputable places is marking the item up way above where you would make a profit and the offering it at a discount where you still profit just to make the buyer think they're getting a good deal. I can't see sky devs pulling that one though
Never thought Iām gonna learn some economy in sky discord but wow.
Actually makes sense and interesting. 
I'm not a smart person but I do know interesting things about a lot of random subjects like that. usually because I was curious and googled it
it's how I found Journey was googling indie game devs and how they operate. (Sky I found cuz a friend told me about it and my mind was blown that it was same company as journey)
I found sky because i didnāt have any uni practices just webinars back in early march thanks to the virus. I was trying to find aesthetically pleasing games without battle after i finished Gris. Sky was like āhere I am, take meeā in the app store .
Never regretted a moment of playing it, but my story is waay more boring than your Journey

I need more games that aren't about fighting in my life for real. TGC is just like my whole vibe for games 
Just did the last quest. That cutscene is super anticlimactic
Also why arenāt all the spirits there?
probably a bug. some people the spirits stayed after the cutscene ended too
Yeah they did
or maybe the ending cutscene isnt completely finished yet
they didn't stay for me so when I saw that I was like 
feels like it's another one of those times where we're seeing things while they're still in an unpolished state, so we can test the main new content sooner
I think this season as a whole is pretty anticlimactic. None of the season quests seem to matter
With ark we knew what we were doing, we were restoring Ark, and each cutscene had small visual and gameplay changes, which made it feel like we were making a difference. This season just doesnāt have that feeling.
yeah I am still honestly confused what they were going for with the bell quests. we've brought back just a whole heck of a lot of mantas to the area but I can't sluth out why 
I think the sheer amount of mantas there is a bug
I believe the content of this season in beta is not completed
Itās probably supposed to be like a quarter of that many
so many mantas
I'm actually kinda thrilled the little ones follow you
@empty inlet what could be added at this point tho? I agree that it feels like itās not complete, but cerebrally, it very much seems like it is, which I think is my point here when I say that weāre missing a purpose/motivation this season
i thought there should be an update before the final quest is unlocked
The final quest delayed in beta as well during Enchantment
i understand the feeling of it being anticlimactic if expectations are set by the enchantment quests.
the enchantment finale was slightly gamechanging because it introduced the spell shop.
i kinda like the sanctuary quests, since they're really chill, not super dramatic - kinda fits with the vacation-theme of the season. and maybe they don't matter a ton in the grand scheme of things, but i think they matter to the sanctuary spirits (especially the guide).
it's kinda nice to see the sanctuary filled with manta flying around.
HYPE!
shdgfjasd
Hitchcock Birds but with A lot of manta.
Did the older seasons like lightseeker belonging and gratitude had a story? I didnāt know the game existed back then so sorry about my lack of knowledge.
Wow skybrah has been awakened
Pakka, they had a beginning and an ending cutscene, but no quest system like the ark and sanctuary have
skybot has been very active in beta chat lately
did anyone ever give a sky joke to skybot the other day?
Iāve never really cared about the spell shop, Iāve maybe bought 5 spells in Live, so I donāt think thatās entirely it. Enchantment had a clear cause/effect/reward for all of the quests in the season, not just the ending one. This season really doesnāt
and now every player, old and new, can at least experience part of the newest seasons whenever they want 
Just my two-cents but maybe the effects of the final cutscene are being held back to avoid spoilers as the final quest was released a lot earlier than the enchantment one (in terms of the seasons lining up) so maybe that could be it 
I agree with Ral. (I also didn't really care for the shop, tbh.) The quests for Sanctuary are unclear. Why am I doing them and what is the result? Birds? Golden bells? Why?
Hope the next season brings us a more useful thing like the spell shop
Also, do we know if the bell quests will stay after the season ends, like they did for Ark?
Probably it will
highly likely, i dont see why they would take them away
That means new season questgivers cannot retire
Then I really think they need to have a clearer end result.
seems to be implied that they'll stay. I think Giccix is right that this is a way for new players to experience old seasons and devs have been trying really hard to find ways to give new players access to older content in a way that doesn't take away the specialness of the content when it was brand new
i'd guess the idea for the sanctuary quests is we're restoring the sanctuary by calling back all the manta (presumable, there were a lot of manta there when the spirits were alive)
another way of putting it - to me it feels a little like the area is being brought back to life. there were't many manta there before, but now the area's much more full of life
It already felt full of life to me in the beginning, so I can understand why I couldāve missed that effect where others saw it
Enchantment was the season of innovation then. I like the quest system and really liked to do the restoration ones. Guess thatās a good feedback for them and maybe a successful path to follow in the future? To make players feel that they are doing something useful. I like Joshurās theory but some of the creatures just dissapeared after the quests. Why? 
i suppose there were already a fair few creatures around at the beginning - jellyfish and crabs and butterflies. (i don't remember if there were any manta there yet at the start...)
There weren't any mantas in the beginning. In fact, that was something I sent feedback about how the place would feel more lively if there were some mantas or birds flying around (this was before we knew what all the bell quests would do). So it seems like that was part of the intention, the quests are about restoring life to the place in a way
no manta at the start no. but definitely were active creatures otherwise. the birds and butterflies I think got added in a patch. I remember the geysers being the only way to recharge at first
yeah butterflies weren't there yet in the first beta build for sanctuary, iirc
in live they were there from the start tough! was very helpful for timid bookworm quest because I was letting a moth lead me 
yes, the area is already quite alive in the Live (lol) version, so the difference after the bell quests is still not obvious to me
I wonder if part of the feeling may also come from the fact that Sanctuary seems to be kind of a standalone season. With Enchantment, we had some references to previous seasons and it felt like it tied into the overall lore of the game. Sanctuary is kind of its own thing (some people have even compared it to like the beach episode situation used in anime sometimes for fillers lol), so it seems more independent of the overall lore and therefore might feel a little less meaningful maybe
The new season area is at a easy place to find- even some moths has the new season's emotes
yeah it is nice that they added the little arrows pointing to the area. help the new players find the way!
Overall, it's a beautiful addition though.
the beach episode 
Another random critique of sanctuary: I dislike that thereās nothing at all in the other realms. Enchantment at least had the light quests.
I remember the first iteration of the area was actually missable teleport point because of how the clouds were situated
I'll take the beach episode season 
ah yeah, the sanctuary season is very focused on the sanctuary
What if we had bell quests for daily quests?
lol this chat is like cool kids only (im not beta making it funny for me and sorry for my corny joke im gonna leave now)
TrebleMaika dont forget when we all bonked our heads with the constellation gate lol
Ouch I still have a bruise
Woah everyone typed in the same time
I didn't just bonk. I smacked into it so hard I bounced back off and got yeeted by the clouds 
Okay for real now I'll leave, just snooping for spoilers bcz im impatient

Lmao bye then 
I feel like a ābeach episodeā works, especially since with a game like this, where people join anytime, telling a story where one time occurring things are important makes things complicated, so the seasons kinda have to be extra that isnāt important, and while yeah, a little more story would make the quests in sanctuary better, if the point is for it to be peaceful and like a vacation of sorts, then maybe the point is there isnāt much of one other than just fool around and have fun
ready for takeoff!
Thatskybrah responses very quickly 
I think the bot is hanging out here because itās done with the meme channel 
Itās a very long season for a ābeach episodeā
But that gives more time for next season :3
I think at some point there should be a season, that when it ends, should be integrated into the main storyline, maybe finally give us some plot progression
Skyās just been feeling really static, and I like to feel like all my sacrifices in eden are making a difference lol
It sends some emojis like "
" at #general-sky-discussion
I also feel like the focus this seasons isnt on the quests, but on the Sanctuary itself.
The focus of enchantment was the colored lights and restoring (a part) of the ark, while this season the quest are like incentives to explore every inch of the new area (we look for the murals in one location, then the bells in another)
Or some random messages
How many kids would a skykid kid if a skykid could kid kids?
That was one of the messages it sent to #general-sky-discussion
I also feel like the focus this seasons isnt on the quests, but on the Sanctuary itself.
The focus of enchantment was the colored lights and restoring (a part) of the ark, while this season the quest are like incentives to explore every inch of the new area (we look for the murals in one location, then the bells in another)
I really appreciate the fact that bells don't have that purple color (as it was in beta) when they were putting in their place.. That cyan light from them really matches with the Realm![]()
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Yes, I agree! The purple light didn't really fit, but the cyan light is nice. I'm glad they changed that 
I think the purple light was also affecting that pink bell bug from a while ago, not sure if it was fixed or if Iām right
Agreed, I also like how in the last quest you can see the spirits youāve finished the constellation for, but are they supposed to be grey?
Is that why the last two spirits werenāt there ? Thatās odd, I completed 5/6
I'm not sure really, it seems like the cutscene may have been unfinished or bugged a bit. But we haven't heard anything official about it yet
Yeah, even the spirits has a weird round black thing in them
Yeah it may not be just the spirits youāve completed, I just assumed cause only the spirits Iāve completed appeared
Only 4 spirits has appeared to me (I completed 6/6)
I'll send the screenshoots to #beta-screenshots-videos
I finished all but only 5 was there. I Donāt think the number depends on the completion of the spirit, but who knows.
I've collected 6/6, but I bought everything from 5/6 spirits, only the hiking grouch one left
i think we're looking too much into it
i completed sunbather but he isnt there, sunbather and grouch just decided they didnt want to watch the mantas
Sun bather just showed off everyone and is chilling on his own
, while the grouch man is still pouting like HMPH i don't wanna watch your stupid mantas
So sad. Finished and like you was missing Sunbather and Grouch. But also no mantas š
Sorry to barge in but I signed up for the beta during this last wave but I still can't download it. Do I have to wait for a while?
seems like you have to wait
it's an issue on google's end, and google hasn't shown a lot of interest in fixing it 
And shell collector seems like she loved the island
seems like you have to wait
it's an issue on google's end, and google hasn't shown a lot of interest in fixing it
@worn field
Ahh, I see, that really sucks. Thank you!
I personally see the bells as the "mysteries" of the islands, stuff you see at hawaii and other tropical islands for tourists to explore
For you guys did the final cutscene top enchantment?
I knew it 
Now I'm even more hyped
I am so PUMPED for a revised cutscene! I didnāt mind the current placeholder oneāit was predictable, but am always keen to see other concepts š
(Praying for the shy whale to make a reappearance š )
What I am missing is transformation of the top waterfall. Can't believe the only purpose for the manta uber is to take us to the last bell. You can fly there pretty easily with a geyser jump.
But it feels kinda better being kidnapped by a manta
In case yall missed it in #beta-known-issues :
Hi all!
The cutscene for the final bell quest in the current build is a placeholder. We will have an updated version in the next beta build, but it may still not be finalized at that time. We'll keep you updated on the status of that cutscene as development progresses.
For those who have completed the final quest already, we'll post a recording of the cutscene so you can provide feedback.
From Ktjn
The amount of engineering work it takes to reset everyone's progress for the cutscene isn't a trivial task. For testing purposes, you've accomplished what needed to be tested in the sense that you've ensured the game doesn't crash when triggering the cutscene. That being said, we know you all would like to see the cutscene which is why we'll provide a recording.
What about making the cutscenes viewable again through the sanctuary guide,
Still requires engineering work.
I'm really glad we can see it to provide feedback! It would actually be cool if all the spirit memories videos could be set as like an official sky YouTube Playlist somewhere 
I think if the hint reappeared, even without the cutscene attached, for players with attention problems (like me), it would be enough but
I am so glad you will be providing a recording. Bravo for thinking about us folks that rushed to test it out!

There's a lot of complex code that goes into these things. It isn't just a checkbox that brings a feature like that into existence.
Coding is haaaaaaard. I'm constantly amazed by what yall do with it
SAME
Not to say it isn't something that we may consider adding in a future update, it has definitely been discussed before and is on the nice-to-have list of feature requests. It's just not a feature we have planned to add in the immediate future.
Hypeeeeeee! I would love to relive spirit memories. I will wait a year if I have to 
We usually provide videos of the ending cutscene once the season has concluded on social media.
Yessss reliving spirit memories freely is also on the request list.
We had it at one point and then it was taken away. 
Reworking features takes time.
it's not the finished cutscene, they still need to work on it
Oh
I added a request in the wishlist...
A request for a contrast boost..
I added the original image and the boosted image..
Hope we can get a test with boosted contrast
Vibrancy actually
Theres only 9 hours for the countdown to finish!
So exiting š š¦
Wonder if we will be able to use paypal to buy the merch... 
Either way ill wake up early to see what how it turns out! :DD
Hope worldwide shipping will be available
I won't be able to buy something but it would be great
Yall beta folk know what sleepy spirit is?
We don't know either
I'm ready to get spoilered.
But he will sell merch to us I guess
Also is it me or the background of the page chsnges with time?
Neato
It used to black and white, then the sky was blue and now its pinkish
Also is it me or the background of the page chsnges with time?
@flat willow yeah it is
When the sun rises, the sleeping merchant will be awake
Atleast I guess so
I wonder how the asset of the awake spirit will look like
Will the mantle on top of the boat be put away?
Where will the spirit stand? What pose?
Im so curious 
Wait a moment..
The cutscene for the final bell isn't final?
I meant they're gonna change it?

According to #beta-known-issues yeah, it will change
Knowing that i wont do the final quest yet
Ohh okay!Thanks UwU
Maybe they will edit some of the quests idk
I think they'll replace the flock of the mantas with something grand...But I knowthey'll not edit out the quests because it's already awesome to have a bell hunt
The spirits didnāt do anything so theyāll probably give them something to do besides stare at the ocean for infinity
Oh so the spirit at home is not for in game content?
Common guess so far is that it will provide a link to the merch shop or something like that, but yeah nothing has been confirmed yet so we'll have to wait and see
May I ask why weāre not allowed to discuss heart trading?
Arranging heart trades is against the rules because it can cause drama which we donāt want in this server. It also can lead to harassment as people spam requests and chase down people.
it's also generally against the spirit of the game, gifting and friendship. Transactions are the opposite
Okay understandable but what if we could alter a bit. Maybe have a poll to let people know theyāre open to find friends to trade with? That way they wouldnāt be asking anyone directly and the personal issues if they were to appear would be kept in private messages
Yes but you canāt disregard it completely
Anyone is free to trade in-game, privately with friends, or in other servers. But not here. Everyone does it to some degree but the kind of atmosphere it would create in a large server is also counter to how TGC and server staff want the place to be
Also I always wanted a way to exchange my candles for hearts
Okidoki glad thereās morale behind it at least 
you can @spark lance , up to the limit of what the spirits offer
So people will only send hearts when they want to make their friends happy
Itās quite limiting if you donāt have many friends but I get the idea behind it
Or they can continue to heart trading idk
it's totally fine if you want to trade with your friends. but that's only between you and your friends if you want to play that way. Even with trading disallowed we've had many complaints of scamming, people arguing over agreements... one even tried to share a very detailed contract for daily trading. YUCK
Right I see how that could be a problem
Yeah it can be a problem
But theeeeen what if trading in general was updated to a two option system where one: you can chose to give a heart to your friend without anything in return and 2: thereās a locked trade that makes you give each other hearts simultaneously. That way there would be no scam
then there would be no gifts as well 
But also no scams
There would be gifts if that is what the player chooses
But if its an arranged trade there would be reassurance
It would put more pressure on people though, feeling like they are required to give their friends hearts instead of just giving them as gifts. People might get mad at their friends if they never agree to do the locked in trades, which would still cause problems
This takes some adjustment to thinking. You have to realize the current system is not broken, and not accidental. It was designed with the specific intent of making a friendship/empathy-based game.
Locked trade is when you have a good friend whom u can trust in and both agree on doing it. I donāt think there is a need for a feature like that if you are both want it.
This game has been in development for a long time, and many different things have been tried. If the game could guarantee a return, most players in most cases would opt for that, and never form the trust required to be friends, instead just use players as currency grinding. Without that, people can still use their friends for currency grinding, but even in that case, there's trust involved, instead of the simple mechanics of a 1:1 trade
That makes sense
You also have to realize that Jenova and all of TGC have heard this kind of request for years and have had the vision and courage to completely stick to their goals. I really admire what they do. I did before Sky, and watching development as a long-time beta player has increased my respect for them.
Of course Iām not going at their necks or anything Iām merely coming with ideas
I do see how I may seem disrespectful towards their efforts though
I really do appreciate all theyāve accomplishment
I know you're not. You're coming from the place almost all of us came from: other games that focus on individual goals. That's normal and to be expected. I've understood the aims of Sky for a long time, but I still catch myself thinking like a gamer instead of thinking like a friend sometimes.
I have the same issue but itās hard not to when youāve played for a long time
Just need a reminder to appreciate it once in a while heh
It wouldn't be bad if we could see known but refused ideas for a logical reason
Thatās why we have a discussion chat hahah
So, sorry to get into LECTURE MODE for a bit, since it's a little off-topic, but I hope the explanation helps, instead of just a blanket no it's against the rules cuz we said so
I think thatās part of the reason why I grew to love beta so much? like I didnāt feel the pressure to grind or constantly do heart trades like I do in live, and it actually changed the way I play live too :0 like, game design truly does go a long way, and i feel if anything sky really manages to deliver an experience that...stresses the importance of just being kind 
Thing is... if you get scammed, it should only happen once
If you really did make an agreement with someone to trade and they donāt follow through, just donāt send them another heart
Yea i really appreciate you taking your time to help understandš§”
if each one of us got scammed in this server, that would be 115k scams to clean up
It sucks but itās not a huge loss
Iām not advocating for trades here, just to clarify
and I'm not advocating against trades in-game
Iām just saying that I donāt think locked-in trades are necessary
If someone agrees to send and doesnāt, theyāll just have a hard time getting people to trust them in the future
Could be for a grind game but not for sky
Also, really not cool to pull a stranger to a bench just to ask them for hearts
Or a brand new friend
bruh
Itās happened a few times, where I thought I made an excited new friend and they just wanted hearts. 
So i kind of ignoring all friend requests from complete strangers (those who are not friend of any of my friends)
These days Iām like that bc I have so many but I used to just accept candle offers from anyone
tbh, I really want to start fresh and try to make new friends actively, and see what kind of Sky experience i can get from it
it's lovely
friends come to you and you come to them, having great moments of sharing
I really have too many friends. I donāt even remember how I met most of them
Befriending with moths can be good too but I suggest you to unlock chat with them
but if you have more than 70 friends you will lose some of them, having a hard time to find them again in the constellationš¦
Yeah thankfully the close friends I care about donāt disappear
I was half expecting a new permanent addition to the game post-final quest like the shop at the Ark :c
I really have too many friends. I donāt even remember how I met most of them
@blazing sail me too lol. I'm in an active sky server
the actual ending isnt the final one @terse river , just a placeholder
its a good news tho š you will have sth new to discover in live!
I wish we could organize friends in a way besides the favourite constellation. Sometimes i lost track of who is who and where did we meet if we dont cross each others path too often.
The cutscene is a placeholder/not finished, but I'm still not sure if there will be some big change. I can't really think of anything that they could add like they did with the shops at Ark. So I'm thinking it will still be a similar cutscene with all the mantas, but the spirits will probably do something other than just stand there creepily
indeed. but i really dont have any option to suggest yet to re-work the friend menu system
I had some but as soon as started thinking about them i could already saw the flaws of all of them

I wish we could organize friends in a way besides the favourite constellation. Sometimes i lost track of who is who and where did we meet if we dont cross each others path too often.
@tender oasis yeah. Also a folder-like system wouldn't be bad.
I've had to block tons of people just to sift through the list to try and find a friend again, kinda time consuming since it seems pretty random who will turn up.
its mostly based on time shared with the person, if its a favorite one, if your tree is expanded, if you shared hearts already etc
once i see some friends i didnt see in a while they reappear right after in my constellation
True, but when old friends start playing again...
Or just the ability to relocate the friends in your constellation the way you want too. Like on the left. Far end the friends of the friends, on the right, ppl whom i met and tried to help.
Instead of suggesting a specific solution, you could still suggest a general improvement of the friend menu and explain that it's hard to keep track of all your friends if you have more than the menu can currently display. Let TGC figure out what they might be capable of implementing or not, and then you can leave feedback if they ever do make changes to it 
I can still see a favorite friend that doesn't log in since 2 months ago
I don't 
if they start playing again and were good friends, they should be able to se you, join you or even just light your candle, which will show them again š
But I can't see a moth I befriended with them recently
crescent did you share hearts with them a bit?
I dunno what to say other than that's not how it worked out
I think we just had really big lists
Eventually it worked out
Interesting 
crescent did you share hearts with them a bit?
@strong canopy I didn't. They were kinda rich though
its really sad to only have the block option when one of your friend is totally inactive but you want to see the active ones instead
Sometimes even recent friends I spend time with will vanish
They bought the office cape when they went to there for first time
hmm strange
All would be good if i had a decent memory
i once had a friend i played a lot with, shared many hearts and then they just stopped. they stayed for weeks in my constellation
If you add a lot of local friends and they all have a favorite it's going to crowd some out
That happened too, I have some that have sat there for months
But those tend to be the ones I unlocked almost every action with
but as this is beta discussion, lets talk about the facebook constellation, what the hell is this thing
I don't like it
I don't even have Facebook
there is a bluetooth one lol???
One plus page which makes it even longer to reach your poor friends 
Takes me out of the game. I don't want to think about Facebook.
It looks like Nearby feature
plus it has like a completion thing, for what
you added 10 fb friends, here comes your facebook cone hat lol
To get the ultimate facebook reward

If they're going to have it I'd rather it be an optional menu
Facebook reward?
The completion percentage is probably just a placeholder, or leftover from if they copied parts of the code from the other constellations. That section isn't finished yet since none of it really works right now, so it could still be changed or removed in the future
Facebook elder is Zuckerberg
There is no such thing as facebook reward i just mentioned it for fun 
i dont think i want this constellation to stay, i dont get the point of it
haha it would be a bluetooth speaker to play music around you lol
It seems like they might be experimenting with other ways to add friends to the game, beyond just sharing QR codes. I also don't really feel like we need to have separate constellations for those friends though, but we'll see what happens when it's more finished or whatever
Maybe they will add player codes like SkyKid_747364738
Lmao friend codes
We do have a Sky ID tho
But it's for recovery
Your Sky ID is for account recovery purposes though, you're not supposed to share it with other people
And it supposed to be private
Game search engine to find by number SkyKid_465378195
Maybe they would add flags near the player codes
SkyKid_746383103 šŗšø
I think it's going to look weird. 
It will be interesting to test in beta if we ever have to, since beta access works with invite links + testflight/google . And we should invite our fb friend who may never played sky, to come and use this fb link to get a beta account?
i
canāt imagine it without at least a hint of awkwardness 
Seems like a promotional thing to me. Why else have a specific section for how you got friends? Like advertise to your friends in Facebook, anyone who clicks and joins will be added to your Facebook constellation!!
Bluetooth is bewildering hah
Maybe it would be like [insert username of freind here] 2763646
I can't even find people playing sky live IRL
Lmao same
Yeh
You can't do that pakka, beta and live are two different games for real
Lmao facebook friends
beta and live have two different identifier and facebook won't recognize them as the same game
I don't think the karens at facebook would like sky very much š
I think that was part of the point, this would be difficult to test in beta since you need to have been invited to use the app in the first place
@spark lance
It will be no longer clear, the player for example does not want to spend candles and the number can be through third-party applications and this feature is already available for invitation, if you have already spent candles then why invite friends again. And yes, if you enlighten the player and see his ID for making friendships, then you have to completely change the system of friendship 
You're not wrong though
Y'all literally write essays
hello 
If you change the system of friendship it will be the same as before, now everything is made more difficult so that people who mock others could not do it very simply 
general beta discussion have now become gerneral beta lore discussion
Kanpai i know they are different apps. What i wanted to say is itās gonna be real hard to find a facebook friend to invite with this feature into beta just for the test. Sometimes i struggle with expressing my thoughts in english, srry for that. 
But #general-sky-discussion is too crowded to move the conversation there
Ok, sorry that I got you wrong 
At the moment on the beta I can not invite a friend through Facebook, although this application I have installed, really can not understand this reason
May not have given the necessary permissions
I think Facebook/Nearby feature isn't that necessary atleast for now
It can be added when the game becomes more popular
It's played by a lot of people.
Yeah but it could be more popular
People usually discover the game by themselves or by friends maybe, not from ads
There is no advertising, I agree with this, but it does require not a small budget of companies
Iāll be honest, Iām curious about the invite square. Has anyone tested this yet?
It's for the invite codes, it seems
Yes, but has anyone tried it?
Yeah
What does it look like?
Does the square populate with the people waiting to confirm the invite?
I think so.
When you create friendship links, the qr icon gets shown in the fav friends constellation in live, but the qr icons gets shown in that square in beta
Yes, thatās what I thought. Thanks yāall
These invitations can be removed if not accepted in the currents for a long time, so it does not actually interfere
I just wanted to know if it was being tested as a new holding ground for QR codes sent but not yet confirmed. 
And it sounds like it is!
It's kinda useful tho
I can imagine! Decluttering the main favorite page
Square is the same as the regular invite code thing. You could only add 3 codes there so far tho.
Thanks yāall 
can someone give me a hint for the last light? seems like it's near the top of the waterfall but i've looked around there and i also only have like 2 brain cells
so basically you know that big island in the back that the quad wing mantas fly to? its there 
okay i have a question for yall as well, though its slightly off topic i really gotta know in a place that isnt gonna push my question into the unknown,,
how do you go about buying off of websites that aren't amazon? i mean ive never bought anything on websites before and my parents have only bought things on amazon so we dunno
this is referring more towards the sky shop, im just wondering if you use paypal or card or,,
Well if you have a PayPal, you can get a PayPal debit card. It works 100% like a bank account/debit card and only a very few merchants do not accept it
(and if you are an adult with a payroll job. You can use it for direct deposit and get paid 2 days early)
ohhhh
im just a bb im asking for my parents cause they do have a paypal and visa ect cards but i dont think they've bought off of other sites before
Ah, alrighty. Understandable.
Usually u just enter in ur credit card info? At least in my exp. Ive never used PayPal
also ty Lost! I finally found the last bell. i forgot you could even go to that island haha
I didn't know you could till today
I guess you didnāt try to do the hiking grouch spirit after releasing that giant manta, bc I kept getting kidnapped by it š
Do any of you know how to take off the beta ping roles?
I think i dont wanna join next invite bc keeping up with two skys is burning me out a lil
The #beta-faq only specifies how to add the role to yourself, not take it off
Uncheck the star button?
Press the star reaction again
Try it again? Sometimes discord is weird
Okie
I asked here bc i tried unselecting to take a role off before and it didnt work š
Got it! 
You have to select and then unselect them
I know there's no stupid questions just stupid mistakes so I'm going to ask ...when I received a BETA invite last month.. The whole thing was written in a foreign language not English! Nobody's been able to tell me why can somebody give me a clue please and it is going to happen the next time also???
The iOS link has popped up in all sorts of languages today and I have no idea why.
Ktjn#8721 in 6/11/2020
Even the tgc staff doesnāt know why
So... what do yāall think is in the boat? š
You'll see it in 2 hours.
Yee the link was in all kinds of languages for iOS, mine was in Chinese, luckily I speak Chinese too so I was fine 
1h44m25s
In my case, English and Japanese (first language) were mixed.
After that, English became Japanese.
Wait can someone give the link for sky shop
are the game servers closed?
I dun wanna have a merch shop in gameš„ŗ š„ŗ
I want ingame content shop
Wait can someone give the link for sky shop
@tough pebble
https://www.thatskyshop.com/apps/coming-soon
Thank youuu
You're welcome 
OmO
We getting a different cutscene for the final quest
the final quest result was disappointing
.... I mean the change on the island wasn't significant.
Well, we getting a different one
Hi all!
The cutscene for the final bell quest in the current build is a placeholder. We will have an updated version in the next beta build, but it may still not be finalized at that time. We'll keep you updated on the status of that cutscene as development progresses.
For those who have completed the final quest already, we'll post a recording of the cutscene so you can provide feedback.
Now I'm thinking if they'll bring food shop (ice cream
) in sanctuary as like spell shop in ark
Imagine night in sanctuary
Imagine krills in sanctuary
weāll have to see, tbh not every season had major maps introduced, for example in belonging the underground cavern in forest and the archive was added, during rhythm just some side tunnels were added. Ark and Sanctuary are exceptionally big seasonal updates 
it would be good for Sanctuary to have night and day cycle like home
1 hour count down
I think as the game is progressing future season would probably be better and better, as sky get's it's final image
It can't be....
As prairie has a fix time
@spark lance I mean only for Sanctuary
ONE HOUR OO YEEA
Sanctuary is in prairie so....
lizard man will awaken
Why the craze for one hour? What's today? 
Merch
Ooooooh
lore could be changed for it to be possible. Its only a suggestion really
the worlds are nicknamed from dawn to dusk to night, with eden being storm
okay am i tripping or was this chat silent for like almost 40 mins
15 min for wakeup
YES
It's probably gonna lag in the next few minutes š
it's almost 3 am for me but I had to get up to see
Okay why is slowmode still on..
Slowmode is always on
Noone is celebrating the countdown reset time this time ;-;
omg

And always will be
it's only 10 seconds. gen chat has a 7 second slowmode too š it's to prevent spam
I AM im aboutta scream
#beta-screenshots-videos has a countdown
9 minutes left
keep the countdown to #beta-discussion please
7
Oops wrong Gen Chatš¤
I knew it! I knew I shouldn't have done the final bell quest as soon as it was available. Oh, well, there will be a recorded version and then later Live to experience it. I should have known better. 
I thought I was in Live Chat
live chat
calm
lol
5
!whatsnewinbeta
Bug fixes and improvements 
hi skybot!
thx
40 years left
Morning Lizard man
there's like 5 people sitting by sleepy traveler in beta and only 1 in live
bad news is when I open one app the other closes and I can't decide which I wanna park in
Im parked in live and on the site, but I also wanna see beta T^T
My curiosity is strong
LIZARD MAN IS AWAKENING FROM HIS SLEEP
the website crashed so hard omg 
a passwo- what?
Yikes
i think lizard man hit the snooze button
Poor website
well sleepy traveler does send you to the shop. it was actually funny to watch it go from sleeping to tent set up
i cant open it 
Lizard man has awoken
Ooh
rip websiteš
it's cuz several thousand (possibly several million) people are trying to open it at the same time
Oof sorry devs š š š
and it is probbaly hosted on a small server
Uhm , the beta link isnāt working with the shop
Did you crashā¦
He build that tent in a sec. Lizard man is fast, once its awake.
well sleepy traveler does send you to the shop. it was actually funny to watch it go from sleeping to tent set up
@random gull
I filmed the transition from sleeping to sitting ^_^
post it for us!
LIZARD MAN IS SO POWERFUL
Same
Iām only getting a white screen when i enter the shop
@dense stone sameeee
HE MAKES A PORTAL FOR US [sniff] hes so strong
also the link isn't working in live or on PC either. it's crashed because too many people
The website crashed
Request timeout for icmp_seq 0
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1
Request timeout for icmp_seq 2
Request timeout for icmp_seq 3
Request timeout for icmp_seq 4
Request timeout for icmp_seq 5
Request timeout for icmp_seq 6
...```
welp ima go get some caffeine and come back because it's 3 am
3 am-
the twitter sky account also retweeted skyshop
u edited that so fast how the-
oh the twitter shows a gif of the website changing colors from dark so I was right that it was the sun rising
how to fast edit on a computer: up arrow, change what you need, press enter
i didnt know u could do that ty!
oh neat
Poor servers
Shop background had a yellowish glow this morning. Now the sun rose and itās all blinding white
general is going mad crazy
oh you know what I bet the problem is. it's supposed to be thatskyshop.com and it automatically redirects to the thatskyshop.com/apps/comingsoon
the coming soon page doesn't exist anymore but we can't not redirect
the problem is, server doesn't respond
devs underestimated us
Thatās why I prefer beta general discussion...
Does the website working?
just gotta wait lol
they hit 20 million downloads AND 100k server members recently. it's not really all that surprising to me
200k*?
wellļ¼why did not i inter the thatskyshopļ¼
was it 100k or 200k?
I was kind of surprised server didnāt crash after sanctuary opened
100k but it is growing
oh ok lol
Just because mine is a Chinese accountļ¼
Little dissapointed ngl but not surprising
the game server didn't crash because it's hosted by AWS so they pay money to make sure it can host 20 million players 
the screen is fine on the sky shop

Just because mine is a Chinese accountļ¼
@forest pawn nobody can access it right now
its just lizard mans hair covering the screen
now the server respond, but still direct you to the countdown page
thanks dude
lizard man's counterattack to skykids: 404 not found
they're probably working on fixing it
but with nothing designed for when the countdown finished

lots of devs online right now so I bet they're scrambling. we should let them sneep once it's done
this chat is so much more chill then the general sky disscusion
well yeah. 5k beta members approximately. 100k server members total. it's a big difference
Im not beta but I feel safer here š
same
you don't have to be beta to be in this channel. it's generally advised that you know you're getting into unfinished and spoiler-y content here if you lurk though
yup i like to see the bugs just to get teasers of whats to come
I have this feeling people will compulsive buy and merch will be gone in seconds
oh I"m not redirecting this time yet
still loading tho
also, just because it says "general" here, it doesn't mean you can chat about anything: this channel is meant for discussions about beta gameplay and experiences 
i wonder how many people lurk here lol
Can we discuss about the stampede rushing toward merch shop?š
a lot
probably a lot of people who missed beta invites specifically like to lurk here to keep up with what's going on in beta
lol
Yeah, one of those, I just like spoilers 
beta isn't really early access. if you've lurked here a lot you'll notice even beta testers miss a lot of content because it's unfinished when we test it
makes for a fun surprise in live sometimes 
Sneak peaked into general chat and now they are fighting over somethingš
oh?
lol I checcked in time to catch Ktjn reminding everyone to keep it kind and respectful but heck chat is nyooooooming
For now, let's wait quietly for TGC to respond.


i cant buy in pounds bwahaha
OH I SEE it's not limited because it's a preorder 
do I want the limited edition box set 
It looks like you got up.
I didnāt expect the shop is pre order status š
yeah it finally stopped redirecting me
but pre-order is good. this means the people like me for whom is is 3:30 AM get a chance
there is a whole month to pre-order
it's pretty nice
A limited edition item may sell out before last date.
I can't decide if I want the limited box set
like it's so pretty but I have nowhere to put the pretty box and it's more than the 3 other pins I want to buy combined
Oof
Has me wondering what the star feature on some pins will be
Remember also that shipping is like 30$
I can't decide if I want the limited box set
like it's so pretty but I have nowhere to put the pretty box and it's more than the 3 other pins I want to buy combined
@random gull a backpack !! They tend to fin it so well
Remember also that shipping is like 30$
@brisk tiger sadly ;-;
I got a weasel pin, thatās all I can afford š
I live in USA so shipping is probably little less than that for me. I can get small stuff shipped in a box for under $10
Shipping cost 30$?
Shipping from the US right now is crazy expensive and in some cases not even possible.
Wow, I live in Ecuador and it costed me 31$
free shipping to USA (probably because I have $130 worth of pins in my cart
)
Wowā¦
Wow
Free shipping to some regions if you spend over $60
I only have money right now because of the government pity check that they called the CARES act 
Ah yeah the timing is unfortunate... Lots more people strapped for cash
yeah so many people out of work right now. I'm lucky in the regard that I still have work (even though my workplace has had multiple coronavirus cases and terrifies me) and get paid 
Free shipping is not applicable for EU
I just realised: is the Star technology how they are planning to reintroduce old ultimate rewards?
They seem to be cast spells, but maybe
Well Imma go sleep, spent my money and now itās time to rest
It's like Amiibo in pin form
Yeah, I noticed that they were just spells for now. Hm, but maybe later?
niceeeee
littleoreo.com redirects to the facebook page that is all Oreo and I am dying of cute now 
what do you guys think the other pins than the lightseekers cape would do? :0
the crab one says: Searching high and low. Walking far and wide. No crabs in tow? Nor neighbors aside? If they were to follow... Could you be a friend?
So maybe you get a pet crab?
star does not work on android 
Seeing it just made me want to email it and tell Oreo they're a good dog 
If mystery item is an Oreo pin people will be sore I'll bet
Especially if it does something Oreo related
why do people gotta be selling their used and broken iphones that are 4+ generations behind for $500
yall this is why I have android. guess I have to wait for star to work on my phone or beg an iphone friend to let me tap my pins on their phone
a good memory is fine
mystery item
where? I missed this
my birthday is in september and i kinda want the anniversary one,, but i do want a pet crab šš
Mystery item is in the special edition box
ktjn! we must know what each of those pins do

Anniversary boxes and weasel and crab pin badges are separate items?
Weasel mask summons a ktjn clone to tell you Sneep Snorp
you heard it here first folks dont tell ktjn i told yall 
oh I bought the box so yay mystery item 
I think I'll draw on paper and just use a safety pin to mimic the crab pin :s
i do want the anniversary box i do
but i think my parents will decline because "its too expensive"
Weasel mask summons a ktjn clone to tell you Sneep Snorp
Best game decision ever made
Does STAR work on beta?
but,, what if... i said my birthday was in september,,,, delightfully devilish lizard lord fuhuhuhuhu
or only in live version 
thank you government for the pity check er I mean CARES check shiny new sky merch 
I canāt believe the shipping fee is $81 for me. Can I die drowning in my tears now?
star i like how your name is star during this time


international shipping is killer
and I don't get why either. I can get stuff shipped INTO America for way less than it costs to ship stuff OUT OF America. why usps be like this
you heard it here first folks dont tell ktjn i told yall
onoes thecatweasel's out of the bag
I wanted to buy all of the pins but couldn't right this moment
iphone peeps gotta tell me what all the star pins do anyways
so wait, how long does the anniversary special stay around? a week? or until august 16th or 18th?
i dont think they'll be at anyones house until september š
ipad user crying in the corner
w what you cant use it on ipads
a at least i
still have a phone
NOTICE: STAR is only compatible with iPhone 7 or later iPhone models (iPhone 7 / 8 / X / XS / XR / 11 / 11 Pro). Android support will come later.
As long as the iPad has NFC Iād assume star support for iPad will come later, just like Android
rip, i still have my iphone 7+ though i guess
š¦š¦
Also I need to know whose phone is in the star demo video cause theyāve got a hella crowded screen of apps
I hope they somehow make the STAR feature work for android when they ship the items, because i bought it lol
the problem is i dont usually use,, my iphone 7+ for my main acc, its my assistant account that i kinda use as a me friend
hope i dont mess stuff up if i use it
well i literally have the latest galaxy phone so.... pretty sure it will
glances at my home screen with 100+ apps in various folders š
well
STAR applies to you and your friend
but STAR will connect to the account as well
You will be able to clean up your home screen when iOS 14 arrives kai 
I'm on android. technically my home screen is clean because it's all organized into folders but I was making a joke because random cats was joking about the phone in the video being cluttered with apps 
oops lol
yeah. I like that my phone has neat features like that but the amount of device variability is killer for coding so I have to wait longer for app developers to give me features
heck even two of the same exact android phone can vary on app compatibility so it's really unpredictable what androids will do with the code


