beta-discussion

[livid ice]

Is just surprising seeing items being that high being beta or not , because bat cape was 10 dollars and then went up so we don’t know how’s everything gonna be

[blazing sail]

I wish I used them for seasonal hearts but wouldn’t they have turned into regular hearts anyway?

[dire rover]

All of them take in feedback and skim discussions from the players

[tawny prairie]

We don’t know how long it takes to mesh these items?

How do we know the price other than in a gaming standpoint

[livid ice]

This item was already made

Ktjn said “from long time ago”

Or is an old item is the point I tried to make

[blazing sail]

I think Ktjn was just trying to lead us away from talking about it? Kinda wish they didn’t lie outright tho.

[tawny prairie]

And to me I’m familiar is blender/meshing and people sell those items for 3-5$ each

that’s my only background with items

[dire rover]

You're all thinking very small honestly. These items are released on the biggest game of 2019 on iOS and will be extremely popular on Android as well.

If you imagine the percent of players who will buy these items it's tens of thousands of players worldwide, maybe even hundreds of thousands. They've tried to find a middle way between "way too much" and "enough for players to actually buy it regardless of how they feel"

[stoic badger]

@tawny prairie Theres no objective value one can put on an object (in terms of 3D modeling this is a relatively simple object, but it goes through a bunch of different stages), for me the angle im coming to it from is it’s accessibility.

[tawny prairie]

yup, I agree

I’m just trying to see all sides

[lusty light]

@blazing sail ktjn isn’t trying to prevent us from talking about the swing, she literally wants us to have these discussions to write constructive feedback on it. What she doesn’t want is the discussion to turn into an argument and a flame war against tgc

[spark lance]

I have no issues with TGI figuring out how to make decent money while keeping a single game viable instead of having to create entire new games continually. My concern is that in order to keep a game viable you need income and devoted players. The current system seems to be trying to pull great amounts of money from the few rather than something more reasonable that most players can afford. The subsequent disenchantment of the many could cause the game to fall out of favor with the many and then the game isn’t valuable to anyone because it’s the other players that makes this game so much fun.

I dont think the game is that well known yet though... it’s growing but not THAT popular imo

[tawny prairie]

But I personally couldn’t sell something for 25 usd unless I also painted it

[stoic badger]

@tawny prairie The lack of colour is definitely because its not done

Adding it lets them test the functionality

So they can colour and finish it before release

[dire rover]

You can compare it to something like Stardew Valley imo. That is one developer and he priced his game very reasonably. TGC has the same image as that guy. Imagine if he started adding golden bells to cows or something for separate microtransactions, people would be outraged

[tawny prairie]

yes if it was fleshed, maybe some garland and such I’d be more okay with 25$

Which I said in my feedback

[spark lance]

Part of the reason that I don’t play Journey anymore is because I can’t find another player in game and that was the fun part of Journey for me.

[sharp violet]

We’re not thinking very small, thanks. We don’t have access to tgc’s finances or their player counts, or those projected android numbers, and speculation won’t do anyone any good

[tawny prairie]

Still not buying in 35$ my currency but if it looked more ... fancy I may be okay with 20$

[dire rover]

@spark lance

The game is Game of the Year on IOS and has 50k ratings on the ios appstore right now

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sky-children-of-the-light/id1462117269

https://thatgamecompany.com/sky-children-of-the-light-honored-as-apples-iphone-game-of-the-year/

[stoic badger]

@tawny prairie Its 25GBP, i could buy two awesome indie games for that money. Later Alligator is still on my list...

[tawny prairie]

I keep trying to get my coworkers to play bc of that ^^

[sharp violet]

Yea, we can guess, but again we just don’t have those numbers

[tawny prairie]

Yes , I need to buy the Pokémon expansion first ;p

it’s just hard to remember beta is usd

[bright schooner]

We vote with our wallets. Not counting whales, I would pay 10 maybe 15 bucks max for anything aside from shared packs because I know I'm helping other players out. Or the founders pack but thats just a one off thingm

[tawny prairie]

I kept thinking it was 15$

[dire rover]

That's what they're gauging as well Orvi, they're fine with the 2% whales of all players paying $25 for items like the swing, because those are the main ones that give them income now

[stoic badger]

@bright schooner For me the argument isnt about that because there will be a good chunk of people that will buy this. Capitalism isnt a system of ethics, it’s just an economic system and it shouldn’t be substituted as one.

[spark lance]

I know about the award @dire rover. im saying this more from my irl attempts to talk about the game

[tawny prairie]

^

yes I want more irl friends to get to play

[spark lance]

Hopefully the apple award keeps bringing more folks as it is now.

[sharp violet]

There are actually games that change their pricing based on the players spending habits

[spark lance]

But this isnt like. Cod level

[tawny prairie]

HH does that, if you haven’t bought anything - your offer packs are 10$ or less

[spark lance]

FWIW, I don’t care about the swing or the price of the swing on a personal level. It’s the trend of these pricey items that is bothersome. As far as the swing in particular, it’s cute. But I wouldn’t purchase it at any price. You can only use it as a “chat” with one other player and there are plenty of ways in game to do that. And all these swings set up by players in game isn’t very attractive IMHO. I like the idea of the swings being hung from tree branches in certain areas for fun but it’s not a thing I would pay any price to have.

[tawny prairie]

If you bought more stuff you get 30$+

[stoic badger]

@spark lance Thats the thing that bothers me right now

[tawny prairie]

Yes I prefer a tree like swing so I probably won’t buy either

For lore game stuff, I like my campfire the best

It fits in the world

[spark lance]

Im likely not going to buy bc i dont chat much in general

[sharp violet]

It’s a spell, and a spell is probably as much use as I’m gonna get out of it

[bright schooner]

But again its up to personal ability. I personally wouldnt spend 20+ on a chat bench. But I would spend it on possible past cosmetics full sets. But thats just me.

[spark lance]

^same

[tawny prairie]

yup, I’d pay for past event cosmetics

[sharp violet]

Personal ability and personal value- I don’t value individual cosmetics at more then 5$ tops. If I’m spending more then that it had better be worth the money, and I find seasonal passes to be true of that

[dire rover]

Putting items in the game world to add value to all players

Adding items in the cashshop for a high price

[high copper]

Pricing exclusive items "just for special occasions" like this already set a bad precedent. Gaming companies have been trying to wiggle their way to the best possible way to monetize without hurting PR (player relations) too much. Some fail badly like EA (PR wise), but this behaviour should not be condoned or dismissed as "just trying to make money" anyway by any playerbase because it could quickly snowball. Simple cosmetics then capes(that also gives access to an entire area), then a usable instrument then now a utilitarian item. The value goes up as time progresses and once the items offered cant be of any higher value, theyre going to find other ways to make the deal worthwhile. This can mean exclusives creeping into regular game events or way worse. Exclusive items bought using money will inevitably cause a divide on its playerbase and that should not be welcomed/supported by our playerbase which aims for an inclusive gaming community where love and care is spread and shared. First step to solving a problem is recognizing there is one. Here, we are talking about this underlying problem: the existence of exclusive oneoff IAP-only items. Focusing on how high a value is tolerated will only sway the discussion off the main issue here. How high the item is priced now and how useful it is now is a symptom of what is happening. I hope u guys see that

[sharp violet]

It’s a shame bc sky is one of the rare games that I’ll actually buy IAPs from them, and when I first heard of the santa hat I actually looked in the store for it, but the price completely shut down any willingness on my part to buy it

[dire rover]

I actually bought that hat because I liked it and I had extra spending money. But man did it leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Still feel bad about it

[sharp violet]

And lareina to push back on that, tgc needs to make money; it’s a company! Money comes first, that’s just how business works. They’re offering the game for free download, they need to turn a profit somewhere. Expecting anything different is just unreasonable

[spark lance]

I wonder if players would be down with a subscription model? The seasons could actually be a version of that I suppose. I’m just trying to imagine how to make good money for the game while maintaining an enthusiastic player base. What is happening now just makes me feel less and less kindly towards the developers. I feel bad about that because I really like the base game.

[sharp violet]

There will always be players who can and cannot/will willnot purchase things, it’s up to the design of the purchase and then up to the individual player if they let that divide them

I would never be down for a subscription model

I’m not going to pay for something unless I know what it is upfront

[stoic badger]

@sharp violet We’re not shareholders and they don’t publically disclose their financials so that kind of relationship consideration isnt possible

We dont actually know what sells or doesnt sell, what balances their books. And more importantly, theres many ways to achieve that.

[sharp violet]

Yea we’re not shareholders, but that’s just how companies behave

[dire rover]

@high copper you should honestly just copy paste that paragraph into #beta-feedback

[stoic badger]

But TGC have staked their reputation on acting more ethically

This is an expectation they invite

[spark lance]

Yeah, I guess a subscription model would probably not work well. Although season passes are a version of that which seems more palatable to those who won’t pay for a subscription.

[sharp violet]

You don’t need to be a shareholder to realize that. This is capitalism, everything starts and ends with money

[stoic badger]

Just because we exist in a system that doesn’t care inherently about the welfare of people or the planet doesn’t mean we should join them.

That would be madness

[sharp violet]

And yea, absolutly

But it’s also madness to ignore the system that keeps tgc alive and making sky

[livid ice]

They’ve been alive without making stuff as pricey

[sharp violet]

Suggesting to do away with iap when they’ve made the game free is ignoring how this system works

[stoic badger]

Once again though, theres many ways to make money, and we can’t divine their financial position unless they disclose it

No-ones suggesting they just make the game free, that misses the discussions being had here

[spark lance]

Well, at any rate. I hang around for the friendships and enjoy when new things come out but I’ve stopped paying for things because it’s too much money too often. I just can’t keep affording it. I might pay for another seasonal pass in the future but after buying guest passes for the first 2 seasons I’ve opted out of the last 2 seasons because the seasons were too short and forced me to grind too hard. That took the pleasure out of the game for me. So the only way I currently derive pleasure is to opt out of purchases. But this isn’t good for the devs if too many people start thinking like I do. That’s my concern.

[sharp violet]

Yes, I do think they can and should lower their prices, but I don’t want people forgetting that they do need to make a profit somewhere

[high copper]

I was not talking about whether they should make money or not, but how they make their money. They have a subscription-ish system with the seasons to make their bulk money and a currency. We are talking about the prevalent one off IAPs thats the underlying problem. There are better ways to make money that will not hurt PR and be parallel to the game's original goal. We are just trying to discuss and find a common ground to shift the mometization to someplace that is alot better than it is now for the players and the devs. Yes, divide among players will happen, but aggravating the divide like this should not be condoned. They should be part of the solution, limiting the divide in this love full community, not the problem. Also, they are a private company, they dont have financials that need to be publicly declared nor shareholders to account for. They are closed on this, though lets not focus on this because its distracting us from the main issue. Also, just because a problem is inevitable doesnt mean we shouldnt try to find a better way to do things, limiting that problem. Trying is key here, not whether ornot it will eliminate every issue.

@dire rover okay (:

[spark lance]

When it comes right down to it, it might be a good thing that the swing is so expensive. That means less swing sets popping up all over the place. But it would be lovely to see some swings hanging from branches of a tree. Even a tire swing or two, just for fun.

Like a “chatting” tree. With swings and a tree house.

[bright schooner]

Also thinking about how they'll need to pay for more possible hires/server loads etc once droid eventually goes global and when if they ever expand to other consoles.... thats going to take a lot of dough

Its kinda scary to think about

[dire rover]

Thinking about how many players I've befriended ingame who have literally every item in the game, my home will be filled with swings lmao

[spark lance]

Well, like anything else, people go crazy with it at first and then it fades away in favor of the next new thing.

[dire rover]

That's what the swing represents though

A constant stream of high value items

[spark lance]

I guess if some people are willing to pay for this constant stream of high value items then that makes the game free for others. It’s just that I reside in the in between place. I would like to toss some money to the devs but it’s too much money too often for me.

[dire rover]

Imagine if the swing was a forest location that you had to activate by lighting up a panel, that opens a candle holder in a tree trunk, you offer a candle and the swing falls down/activates.

Boom instantly a creative item in the game world that adds value. These are the changes we aren't seeing.

[bright schooner]

S'like yayy we're wildly successful , oh sugar we're wildy successful😱

[blazing sail]

@lusty light I mean back when someone hacked the swing and I asked about it and she said it was an old asset.

[lusty light]

She wouldn’t be lying about it being an old asset

The lightseekers umbrella was in the game for months before the season you know

[spark lance]

The umbrella was one of my favorite items. It’s a bit obnoxious to use at times but it allows me to protect a new player who is struggling in the hidden forest and I enjoy doing that at times.

[dire rover]

Assets are reused and scrapped all the time though, I don't feel "old" has any meaning in regards to the value they make it have. Value as in purpose and place in the game, not monetary cost.

[spark lance]

While i get why people are unhappy about these prices. Im also a bit like “?? This is just a game and this is your money. Just pass on the item if it’s not worth the price”

I’m not unhappy, I just wonder if it’s the best way to keep players involved in the game and willing to pay to be involved. I have no problem opting out.

Except that I’ve gotten so good at opting out that I wonder if there will be a reason for me to pay again. And that can’t be good for the game as a whole if I’m not the only one who is thinking like that.

Brother the game is about collecting everything

Most people playing after their first eden run are completionists

The amount of money they ask for and how often they ask for it is a bit much

Mmm i guess i get the completionist thing since that was me at the beginning. But now im like... trying to reign in my money-use

[celest yarrow]

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[spark lance]

Good morning spidey!

I’m a completionist as well. And an example of what happens when a competionist becomes frustrated. I just stopped giving money at all. Because it became too much. Too much money and too much grinding.

Uwoh mornig spidey

Same. Im trying to make the most of what I can being f2p

And I started enjoying the game less.

Yeah, the burnout is real for me right now.

Oofff. I guess im very much more chill then

My solution was to opt out of the notion of that goal. But now I can’t find a reason to pay at all.

Im deliberately putting off playing and its sorta a chore now

I dont get the point of playing if you dont wanna collect

How do people enjoy running around aimlessly?

Being a completionist of a game sounds stressful... i hope you guys take care of yourselves

I am one of those who just wander lol. Until a cool mask or instrument comes in

Must be relaxing to just pop in for 5 mins for the quests

It’s not stressful if you can take your time to play and complete at your own pace. If gives you a reason to keep coming back. But when there is too much money and time pressure involved it isn’t fun any more.

Mmm i think i’ll agree w you on the time aspect

So I’ve been figuring out how to enjoy the game without that. The problem is that I spend less time playing now and I don’t pay anything to play now.

[blazing sail]

@lusty light I’m sure you can find the conversation so I don’t have to explain how exactly it went.

[spark lance]

None of this is good for the future of the game.

[tulip raven]

25,- € for the swing is nuts! Blizzard can run world of warcraft for 13,- €/month and I personally have set that price as my limt for any live support game. Eveything above loocks like pure greed to me. Tgc is a way smaller company and this game is way simpler and the "offers" are so much more expensive. These prizes are not justifiable for me.

[spark lance]

I dont think you should feel too bad about not paying anything

[tulip raven]

Justmy two cents

[lusty light]

I mean in that context if it’s a hacked item why wouldn’t the developers not want people to talk about it? It’s literally against the rules to talk about hacked items

[spark lance]

I suppose its because people dont tend to pay or play this game much no matter how good it looks

Why put it in the game then

Its obviously going to be found

[lusty light]

Ktjn telling us not to talk about hacks isn’t the same as not wanting us to talk about a new item added in beta that needs feedback

[spark lance]

I never said anything about that but ok

[lusty light]

I’m not talking about you

[livid ice]

It was when it was hacked

Not now

[spark lance]

It was cool checking this channel out since im not beta lol now it’s time for me to pop out. Have a good day folks

[tepid fulcrum]

I wonder how a tip jar, would go over with the player base.

In a tip jar, it’s basically giving money to the game for no in-game items and simply because players appreciate what the Dev’s have made, generally with tiers so the low-spending players could offer funds to the game too.

[agile summit]

kinda like a donations thingy :o

[dire rover]

Donating to an indie dev just because? No thanks haha

Unless they provide some feedback and something back like vlogs or developer updates there's no precedent to do that

They have their game out already they can add things that are worth paying

[bright schooner]

Youd be surprised with people wanting to give sometimes.

[tepid fulcrum]

Sure some, maybe most people would pay for items if items are available, but I can also see some people just happy to donate a little just to say “I like what you’ve made, keep up the good work!”

[bright schooner]

'Tip for pizza parties' 😂

[tough quest]

I mean if people want to give money, buying a candle pack and gifting hearts to others seems like it would work pretty well. Also helps other players

or passes. Anything recurring that you can gift to other players basically

[spark lance]

Its just not cool how they handle limited time offers

They specifically made items from the winter season that people liked paid

[quaint onyx]

They are intentional trying to "avoid" that

[spark lance]

Even after the beta was out they changed it again because people liked them

Or what is it just a coincidence that fan favorites just suddenly become paid

[lusty light]

3/4 of the new cosmetics that they added to the winter rerun are obtainable without a pass, and even then there’s still many cosmetics you can get without the pass

[quaint onyx]

If they get 1-hour deals then we have to worry

[spark lance]

Yeah but they specifically made the ones people liked paid

[tough quest]

It is interesting its mostly the capes and instruments that get locked

[tepid fulcrum]

One of my favorite items ended up behind the adventure pass yeah, but I see that as more ok than some of the super expensive in app purchases. If the season items eventually come back in traveling spirits or other ways I can wait if I’m not willing to pay now.
——
Another idea I thought of was community-based milestones where maybe something special is unlocked for everyone if a monetary goal is met by the whole player base.

[spark lance]

It sounds okay when you just put it into numbers and quantity but the quality and uniqueness of the item matters too

[lusty light]

You can get the glockenspiel without a pass

[tough quest]

but also overall I think seasonal cosmetics re a relatively good deal

[spark lance]

Ive honestly never seen someone who cared about it

[tough quest]

*most of the capes and instruments. Not all, but normally 1/2 to 2/3 which is a greater proportion than for everything else

[spark lance]

And the fact that they made the fur cape paid is just so baffling

They are punishing us for playing their game late

[lusty light]

It’s not punishing

[spark lance]

How come

[quaint onyx]

All the ones I cared about are free.

[lusty light]

Winter season was the first season in the game and wasn’t polished

[spark lance]

What about when it went to beta

[lusty light]

It’s been over a year since it originally ran and they redid almost every cosmetic

[spark lance]

And they moved it again?

[lusty light]

That’s just how beta works? Things move a lot and winter season isn’t an exception

[quaint onyx]

Moved what about what?

[spark lance]

Yeah but they specifically made the ones people liked paid

[lusty light]

That’s subjective though, what one person like doesn’t mean it’s going to be something another person likes

[spark lance]

Its about the majority

[tough quest]

I still miss the pass being purchasable for a large number of candles like in the old beta, to be honest. Lets people who cant pay as often but are active players and add to the active game community be included

[lusty light]

The pass was never like that

It did that in beta

But in limited live you still needed to pay

[tepid fulcrum]

The traveling spirits kind of make some of the old stuff accessible eventually at least

[spark lance]

It would have been a good idea

It wouldnt bring active but non paying players down

[tough quest]

Haha yes I do know that. But it was a great setup because if you played enough to save, and thus contributed to the community you did not have to pay. Non paying players still do contribute to games, because they create a community.

[spark lance]

People who will pay for this game are probably the ones who want to skip ahead the grinding anyways.

Its with that with any game

Any mobile one atleast

[tough quest]

its why fewer multiplayer games are pay-to-buy and more are iap based. Because having more, non paying people around is good for a game

[spark lance]

I dont really get it havent they earned what they spent in developement by now?

[dire rover]

The pass is actually the best middle way so far

You get to pay for the content access, and grind a little to get all the things and it doesn't feel like you're grinding hard

[spark lance]

Also how come 30 people working for 2 months come up with such a miniscule amount of content?

[dire rover]

Now that no seasonal items cost normal hearts its fairly easy to buy the pass and feel you're getting your moneys worth

[tough quest]

but having an option to buy the pass with 100+ candles would ruin that?

[dire rover]

Apparently the guy in charge is really picky

[tepid fulcrum]

Yeah. The pass as it’s currently priced is probably the only thing I’d be willing to buy. If I liked enough of the items in the season.

[dire rover]

jenova chen, he's the guy behind TGC and journey, and all things in Sky

[lusty light]

Because those 30 people are not only concepting new content, they need to finalize it, make it, test it, and have to make the game again on top of that and make sure it’s also stable

It took 7 years for this game to get released, it’s not easy to have new stuff every month with their workload

[dire rover]

This is also their own game engine, which adds another layer of complexity I would say

[spark lance]

Make the game again?

What does that even mean

[lusty light]

They have to code the game for android

[spark lance]

Thats porting not making it again

[lusty light]

Porting it still wouldn’t use the same exact code as iOS and is taking up most of the devs workload

[spark lance]

And why do we have to pay for that

Wouldnt the upcoming android players help with that anyway? Why make stuff pricier for everyone then?

[dire rover]

Porting is like putting a document in google translate and then fixing all the wrong translations it does, and that takes a fair amount of time to figure out.

But some of the content is a little lackluster because they spend a lot of time making sure they keep their narrative.

They're just failing at what they price these single items at

[spark lance]

What does keeping a narrative mean

I feel like your just using empty words

[lusty light]

They have a specific story in mind with the levels they have which is why they said they most likely won’t add new worlds because it would ruin that narrative

[dire rover]

Keeping a narrative means making sure that if you add a new item it doesn't mess up what's already in the game. Adding musical instruments was apparently something that took a lot of time to figure out because they weren't sure how to do things in the right way

[spark lance]

Are you serious

There is literally no story in this game

Im sorry but I dont see whats all deep about it

[dire rover]

The entire game is built on the idea that you travel through parts of life and the only way to attain items is to gift to others, a very empathy and emotional driven game.

[lusty light]

There’s so much lore in this game but tgc does storytelling by not telling you explicitly what’s going on

[tepid fulcrum]

So next story: travel through parts of the afterlife?

[dire rover]

It's not very pew pew, it's "what does this rock formation mean"

[spark lance]

Well their attempt at being deep is lackluster at best

[dire rover]

I'm just trying to level with you here @spark lance

[tepid fulcrum]

I’d personally really love new things to explore or in-world events like the rainbow in the forest that I’ve heard about, to keep exploring new and fresh.

[sharp violet]

On the subject of funding, Having upcoming players pay for android to release is like gofundme-ing the android release, and that is not a stable way to do things. They have a source of income, us, and part of buying something from them is releasing our claim to that money. They’re free to do what they want with it, and they’re funding the android release with it. When that releases they’ll have even more income and will be able to focus on other things

[lusty light]

They’re going to add to existing worlds but having something after eden is unlikely

[spark lance]

I dont see how that message carries out

Its still about getting items

Thats not what i said

Im not saying go make a kickstarter

[sharp violet]

I think the new exploration will come in the form of seasonal stuff

[spark lance]

Im saying when android players come they will se an increase in IAP sells

[dire rover]

That's what this discussion has been about @spark lance , the fact that they've priced a swing for 25 dollars

[tepid fulcrum]

I actually love exploring
I love meeting people in the game and even though never talking to them having a dance party.
It’s not all about the items to me, I like them but I personally enjoy more parts of the game that can include everyone/anyone who finds them, unlike the items which come and go.

[sharp violet]

Yes but banking off that is a risk they don’t need to take

[dire rover]

because ultimately and "mechanically" the goal is to collect items

[spark lance]

Dude the whole video game industry is about taking risks

If you havent noticed people usually pay for the game after they are made

[sharp violet]

Yea but not unnecessary ones

[spark lance]

And theres an investment made by the developer or publisher to make it through that

What do you mean unnecessary ones?

Are you saying that we should make all games kickstarter style, pay before you get

Thats not a very good idea

You have to be confident in yourself youve made a good game, its not a risk if you know that

[sharp violet]

They don’t need to take the risk of banking their finances on the idea of the android release making money, they have a source of income. And that’s not what I’m saying at all, don’t stawman me please

[spark lance]

Thats why I asked?

Right and obviously they dont get enough money from that income so theres been a ramp up in prices

And there is no reason for us to pay for them to get even more money in the end

Unless theyve already got enough money and theyre just doing this for the hell of it

[sharp violet]

If they have a source of profit, which they do, they have the right to put it towards what they want, which is the android release. You’re buying seasonal passes, cosmetics, candles, etc; they have the right to put those at whatever price they set. Economics will decide if that’s a good price for that. They have the right to a profit

[spark lance]

Thanks, I had no idea what they were doing was legal

Just because they have the right to doesnt make it less of an insult or pro consumer

[hybrid wedge]

There's no need to be sarcastic in this discussion. Keep it respectful to your fellow community members

[sharp violet]

They’re trying to make a stable living off of this, and they can sell what they want and if it’s good we’ll buy it, that’s how business works. If you see it as an insult then idk man, this is capitalism

[spark lance]

Then why make beta if they dont care about how we feel? Like you know, feedback?

[sharp violet]

But they do care! I’m not sure where you’re getting that from

They have to balance business and the community

And they’re doing a better job at it then most

[spark lance]

You literally just said that they can do whatever they want

[sharp violet]

They can, but they’re not

[spark lance]

How are they not?

[sharp violet]

And if they don’t make good things go buy, they won’t be bought

[spark lance]

And its not better than most at all

Sure looking at AAA titles a bit but this is an indie game

No indie game makes you pay this much for such little content

You can beat the game in like 5 hours.

[sharp violet]

Let me grab something I said earlier, one second

[dire rover]

[sharp violet]

There are a lot worse practises sky could be using to make money, but they’re not. There’s no loot boxes, they haven’t made the gameplay unbearably grindy to encourage more purchases, there’s no store popup when they think you may be susceptible to buying more candles, none of that. The things you’re paying for are cosmetics, this game is a social game. They still have my respect as a game company, prices or no.
Oh and there aren’t any advertisements too

[blazing sail]

Comparing them to more predatory games doesn’t negate people’s complaints

[sharp violet]

bottom line is if they're making something that people are willing to pay for, they can do that.

[spark lance]

And literally what indie game has those things

[sharp violet]

oh not at all

I do think they've got some unreasonable prices

[spark lance]

As i said your comparing sky to AAA titles which have much more polish and quality and a larger workforce

[blazing sail]

Especially, as so many have already pointed out — they claim to be actively trying to be better than the rest

[spark lance]

This is an indie game and looking at its peers this is bad

I literally just brought this up

[sharp violet]

How so is it bad?

[spark lance]

Literally look at any other indie game

But I'll give you some examples

[sharp violet]

You're gonna have to be spesific, I don't want to have to go play those games to understand your point

What bothers you about sky?

[spark lance]

You see most indie games are either free or 5$ to 10$

They give you so much more content and bang for your buck that sky

Look at superhot or clustertruck

[tepid fulcrum]

Indie just means independent developers I think.

I don’t think all indie games should be judged or treated as equal or even in the same value bracket.

[spark lance]

BRB

[sharp violet]

"They give you so much more content and bang for your buck that sky" is that your main beef with sky?

kk

[blazing sail]

I think most people would be satisfied if they just continued with the seasonal content as their main revenue stream and would stop with these high-priced, limited time, exclusive items that act as status symbols.

[sharp violet]

yea, probably. or at least lowered the price considerably

[spark lance]

It sort of is yes.

How they are monetizing a game that you can beat in an afternoon like this is absurd

[blazing sail]

Before the founders cape/holiday items, there was no way to tell how much money someone spent on the game. They could have bought 20 passes for friends or got a pass for free and they’d look the same in the end.

[sharp violet]

Well, that's sorta subjective. Most of the players find the majority of their fun with their friends, and the things they monetize just give them access to things that they can impress their friends with. that stretches the value and enjoyment of the game to much further then a few hours. Regardless of the game, they have the right to monetize is, and they've been pretty successful with that because they're still here making the game.

[spark lance]

A game isnt good if its just go make your own fun or be with friends

That shows laziness

[brazen oyster]

(No Judging or Attacking)

Please stay respectful/Polite to the TGC game, they spend a lot of work developing content, no game is the same every one has its unique style.
How long it goes doesn’t matter, or any accessories like cosmetics its all about the fun.
Also no one can judge if a game is good or not, the whole community plays a part

[spark lance]

If there isnt any merit in the game it shouldnt be up to us to create it

[sharp violet]

There are plenty of ways a game can be good, and there are game that are entirely based around sociality. it's not lazy, there are mechanics in the game that they put in to encourage and make playing with others more fun. What do you think the basis of club penguin is about? in the end, it's about making friend and hanging out with them.

[spark lance]

So sky is club penguin?

[brazen oyster]

Its a discussion channel btw, don’t start attacking the game please and stay respectful to it.
Respectful in the way to not judge it or trash talk it

[sharp violet]

I never said that, but they both revolve around other players playing and thereby improving the game

[spark lance]

If you dont want people judging the game then why ask us for it

[brazen oyster]

@spark lance please calm down.
(Im not attacking or judging)

[spark lance]

They clearly want our opinion

I am calm

[brazen oyster]

Yeah but constructive feedback.
Not the game is bad and overpriced other games are better

[spark lance]

How is saying its overpriced not constructive feedback

[brazen oyster]

Please calm down isn’t a attack

[spark lance]

I am calm ._.

[brazen oyster]

I know

I replied to Xyan

[sharp violet]

You may just prefer different types of games, that's just taste, and that's totally fine. It doesn't make sky a bad game, people find value in paying for the season passes and cosmetics, that's why they're there. There's a demand for them

[rustic imp]

My bad I’ll delete if we want to go somewhere else

[spark lance]

Ah so everybody else agreeing with me is invalid?

[sharp violet]

What? No

That's not at all what I'm saying

[spark lance]

Thats literally the point you are making.

[hybrid wedge]

The topic of discussion here is supposed to be about the beta version of the game, not arguing over other people's phrasing

[sharp violet]

Ya know what, I'm gonna go eat breakfast. Yall have fun

[spark lance]

You tried to disregard my opinions?

See ya. Im off to dinner

[brazen oyster]

Exactly @sharp violet.
Everyone can have a own opinion thats the point of a community, saying the game is bad and others are a lot better compared isn’t a opinion to chat in this channel.
Its for beta version discussion not if the game is good or bad

[spark lance]

What I was trying to say, nagati is that me not being the game's type isnt really a food point

I have to eat now, bye peeps

[brazen oyster]

Goodbye enjoy!

[hybrid wedge]

It's fine for people to talk about what they don't like about the game. It's fine to disagree with other people about features in the game. It is not fine to do so disrespectfully towards other people in the community. And if anyone finds themselves getting upset with another person, better to step back and calm down than feed an argument

I will say, one thing I wish would be changed about the swing that hasn't really been discussed, it's annoying that other people can push us off. If anything, if someone tries to push us that should make us go higher. That would be waaaay more fun

[brazen oyster]

True

[proud steeple]

Does anyone remember if the fluffy red cape spirit wanted 2 or 3 ascended candles?

[brazen oyster]

Good topic changer (Cough)

[stoic badger]

@hybrid wedge Yeah, would be nice if there was some kind of physical interaction instead of it acting as a static animation loop

[brazen oyster]

But i think this would be good, so its actually a swing

[blazing sail]

Omg getting pushed higher would change everything

[stoic badger]

(((still not worth $25 tho))) <www<

[blazing sail]

Even a pet dragon wouldn’t be worth $25

[brazen oyster]

Okay i think we should move on to a other topic discussing the use or price 5 days long won’t change anything

[blazing sail]

But I would have a harder time resisting a pet dragon

[stoic badger]

Unless there’s a feature where you can use the swing as a rocket, by letting someone launch you off it. Thats scientifically the only way its possibly worth $25 <wwww<

[brazen oyster]

Imagine a pet crab you can call to attack

A normal day walking around AND THEN a crab out of a sudden attacked me

[blazing sail]

Takanu has done the research

[jagged rune]

Is there anything else to discuss about the beta or just the price of the item?

move on

[stoic badger]

@brazen oyster It has before, it’s worth the effort.

[blazing sail]

The swing is the only thing to discuss in beta right now

And I don’t see how not discussing it is productive

[stoic badger]

@blazing sail LOL, I am a man of science

[blazing sail]

Unless we want it to just stay as is

[brazen oyster]

The topic? @stoic badger

[rustic imp]

Yes I’d like controls for how I swing

[stoic badger]

I mean, theres not much else to say

[blazing sail]

And if you do, that’s fine. But don’t try to shut down the discussion

[stoic badger]

@brazen oyster People criticizing the price. The discussion has been mined but it’s a valuable one to have had.

With the rotating seasonals they adjusted the candle cost very quickly to criticism so they do listen.

[blazing sail]

Also, if the discussion stops, devs might just assume we’ve all accepted it as is

[kindred fossil]

nah

[stoic badger]

Im not here to raise pitchforks though, I either have the discussion and see if it changes things or I just move on (to another game )

[lusty light]

The devs aren’t going to read hundreds of messages discussing the swing, if you want to make sure the devs see feedback then post it in the feedback channel

[stoic badger]

Oh I know @lusty light , already done ^-^

[jagged rune]

☝️

[stoic badger]

I like discussing it with players too

[spark lance]

FWIW, I just now had time to find and test the swing, so a 5 day discussion for others is a brand new one for me.

[blazing sail]

Omg my phone is almost full. When are the 1TB iPhones releasing?

[stoic badger]

Same, I just logged into Discord today

[brazen oyster]

@blazing sail i don’t want to shut down the discussion because the swing is the only thing to discuss about in this channel but to keep talking about the price till it gets heated again and someone needs to say be respectful, is a little counterproductive

[rustic imp]

They restarted the season of rhythm

[stoic badger]

When did this discussion have to serve a greater goal? It’s pretty social ^-^

[brazen oyster]

😂

[blazing sail]

Discord moves fast.

[brazen oyster]

True sort of

[blazing sail]

New people join the discussion, so it picks up again

Maybe new points are made

[rough oriole]

Where’s the popcorn

[stoic badger]

I ran out :C

[hybrid wedge]

🍿

There you go Kit

[jagged rune]

Someone needs drama to post it on youtube lol

[rough oriole]

Awh thanks 🤣❤️

[brazen oyster]

Another order popcorn please

[rustic imp]

How many candles do we get from the season? Did they keep it at 17 per day?

[brazen oyster]

4 but 5 with season candles scattered around the map

Oh you mean beta right?

[rustic imp]

This is beta discussion;)

[brazen oyster]

Makes more sense😂

And suddenly its silent

[stoic badger]

wind blows

[brazen oyster]

So be the way, it said that people get free spells right?

If they buy the swing or just free

[rustic imp]

Free spells

[stoic badger]

Not sure

[rustic imp]

Then you can buy it if you want

[brazen oyster]

Oh okay

[rustic imp]

“Buy” it in beta...

[brazen oyster]

So like 1 glow spell free and then buy the rest

Oh

[rustic imp]

Yep something like that

[blazing sail]

3 swing spells for free

That’s all

[brazen oyster]

Oh

I spend 5 resize spells to get as small as possible, im addicted to it.
I hoped to get more

[stoic badger]

Hehehehe

Ive got three saved up in live to try and get as tall as possible

[brazen oyster]

I even went to the suspicious market around the corner, they also sell free candy but sadly no resize spell

The moment someone trys to get tall

[spark lance]

3 swing spells? Not sure I understand what this is. Sorry to be thick.

[stoic badger]

Neither do I

[brazen oyster]

Its like, 3 free candy bars

[stoic badger]

Are they giving those out just as, “Hey, this is what it would be like if you owned it...”

[brazen oyster]

Suspicious too but it tastes better if its free

😂

[stoic badger]

Im not inherently against them letting people try it out, it just reads bad given the price tag

[brazen oyster]

[blazing sail]

“Hey kid, try this.”

[livid ice]

XD

[brazen oyster]

I had a free chat table spell once and it didn’t go well

[spark lance]

@blazing sail Close your trench coat, you’re scaring me!

[brazen oyster]

I wanted to type this but couldn’t find the marks😂

🤣🤣

[stoic badger]

“I have the coolest thing on the block. Vapes? Nahnahnah, thats sooo 2k19.”

“You ever heard of.... microtransactions?”

[livid ice]

I have 9 chat table spells will never use them

[brazen oyster]

#beta-discussion (but with 18+ humor)

[hybrid wedge]

[blazing sail]

I have 22

It’s ridiculous

[stoic badger]

goes to check

[blazing sail]

And 5 glow spells that are now invaluable

[spark lance]

Yeah, the only spells I’ve ever bothered with are the sizing ones. And they are frustrating. Never the size I want to try and then I get stuck at a size that I don’t want.

[brazen oyster]

@hybrid wedge you smell 18+ 2miles against the wind

Would have been a good Run meme moment

[hybrid wedge]

I would have told you to post it in #sky-memes anyway

;)

[brazen oyster]

I know thats i stopped thinking about sending a pic

Your one the people who set themself offline but you see their name on a reaction emoji

😂

[spark lance]

I enjoy seeing different sizes in the game. I think it would be fun if when you went through Eden you got a new size.

[brazen oyster]

Sorry

[blazing sail]

22 chat table spells x 5 candles = 110 wasted candles

[brazen oyster]

Lol

[spark lance]

Yeah, when you have the chat table and the fireworks wand those spells are useless.

I wish there were a way to trade in spells.

[blazing sail]

Same

[sharp violet]

oo or gift spells to other players

[spark lance]

And a way to reorganize the ever growing table of emotes

[blazing sail]

No one wants chat table spells tho

[spark lance]

I can never find the one I’m looking for until it’s too late

[hybrid wedge]

They're useful when you have something else on your back but want to chat with someone else real quick

[spark lance]

True, chat table spells could just go away.

[hybrid wedge]

Or be a hero in that one place in Eden

And still play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star later on

[livid ice]

Lol

[sharp violet]

O I was thinking swing + telekinesis emote = pushing
make 👏 it 👏 happen 👏

[high copper]

@sharp violet omg thats so good, kinda like nagati's idea

[brazen oyster]

#beta-feedback

[sharp violet]

mhm, twas inspired by Nagait's idea

[high copper]

What if it made it go 360 like a rollercoaster loop

[stoic badger]

@blazing sail I just checked and I have 17 table spells. I thought I had waaaaaay less.

[sharp violet]

omg yes

[stoic badger]

@high copper VOMIT 👏 COMET 👏

[blazing sail]

Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to exchange 2 of the ones you don’t want for one that you do?

[high copper]

OMG YES. once u come off u gotta do involuntary vomit emote :0

[brazen oyster]

I used all my chat table spells when a friend joined me to the candle run on valley i keept placing it infront of her but she dodged like a jedi

[stoic badger]

What do Sky kids vomit though? They don’t eat...

Do they vomit winged light?

[brazen oyster]

[high copper]

Rainbows 🌈 obvioisly

[livid ice]

Light

XD

[brazen oyster]

Well they kinda ||k||idnap them (cough)
No one actually knows what they do with them... we just know they trow it out of their body ||when giving them back in eye of eden||

[blazing sail]

I have nearly 34,000 photos on my phone 😭

[spark lance]

I have 17 chat table spells I’ll never use. To be honest I think I’ve only used each spell once to see what it did with the exception of the sizing spells. I have a 65 spells in total.

[brazen oyster]

The moment you know if you continue you will see
Nagati is Typing...

[tepid forge]

why is the swing set so expensive

[brazen oyster]

You see!😂

[tepid forge]

why is it like 30 bucks 👁️

[blazing sail]

This is my favorite emote

[livid ice]

Because is cool putting high prices so people don’t get it

[brazen oyster]

(Cough)

your one of the people who set themself offline but you see their name on a reaction emoji
Yaronimo King

[blazing sail]

[stoic badger]

“Hey kid, you ever heard of a swing before?”

[livid ice]

Lol

[brazen oyster]

That sounds wrong

😂

[stoic badger]

evil laugh

[livid ice]

Hahahahah

[hybrid wedge]

We don't have enough info to answer "why." But we've been talking about how we think it would impact our game experience if it were in live

[brazen oyster]

Answer the swing?

[spark lance]

I think a lot of people find the price for the swing puzzling. There are no answers only a lot of discussion.

[brazen oyster]

Thanks for the statement btw

[livid ice]

I mean honestly I think is good if people want to spend their paycheck on games but is something not everyone will buy and they’ll not make as much as if they put it for 10 dollars which sounds like the right price

[hybrid wedge]

(@tepid forge)

[brazen oyster]

Oh

||@hybrid wedge your actually quite good in your community elder role, you keep it alive and change topic and look it doesn’t get outta hand too much but still are passive and on no side||

[stoic badger]

@livid ice Maybe not, but I think the things most people dont consider about a game that TGC has shown some awareness for is the interconnectedness of everything in a game in shaping your experience of it, the game’s emotional resonance and how other people relate and interact with each other, and this includes microtransactions.

There’s a reason the community of this game is really nice right now.

[spark lance]

I wouldn’t spend any money at all on the swing to be honest. But I tend to believe that a lot more people would buy the swing if the price weren’t so prohibitive. So the question to ask of those who won’t spend $30 but who would spend $10 is, do you think there are more than 3x as many of you who would spend $10 to make it worth it for the devs to bring the price down?

[hoary jay]

~~in my opinion swing would have the been better as this season's ultimate reward ~~

[brazen oyster]

[stoic badger]

Kinda... 😂

[blazing sail]

What about a tire swing on a tree in the sunny forest

[livid ice]

Instead of a heart a snowflake

It would’ve been perfect

[brazen oyster]

That’s great

[sharp violet]

omg yes tire swing

[spark lance]

@hoary jay I tend to agree that something like a swing could make the season pass more enticing.

[stoic badger]

Tyre swings are bae <3

[brazen oyster]

I think so too, i was a bit disappointed honestly about the reward, not really my taste but i still enjoy the season like, every season before

[hybrid wedge]

||@brazen oyster oh I have my opinions, but it would get monotonous to only hear one person's views all the time. Some time when the chat dies down we can talk about the crab voice ||

[brazen oyster]

I think some surely love the reward

[stoic badger]

@hybrid wedge Sounds good B)

[brazen oyster]

😂

[hoary jay]

I like the hair and the mask but it doesn't feel very "ultimate" especially compared to lightseeker and belonging's ultimate rewards the swing feels more like one but that's just my opinion aa

[stoic badger]

I dont really mind about the lackluster rewards this season so long as they’re using the time they have to really dig into core issues the game has. I hope we see more of their long-term development goals next season.

[brazen oyster]

I like the crab voice, its extremely useful, if someone spams your chat you just make a recording set it to full volume and start calling, and then send it

[stoic badger]

I like using it with the crow/beaky mask so i can pretend im an annoying crow

[brazen oyster]

😂

Luckily i don’t need to pretend im annoying

[livid ice]

It can’t be annoying anymore

Is nerfed

Everything is nerfed

[stoic badger]

Thats what you think... 👀

[livid ice]

We gotta be good kids now

[brazen oyster]

Wait.. is that even good
I heard it so many times i thought it would be s compliment

[livid ice]

That I think? Bruv I press the screen as fast as McDonald’s makes nuggets and it doesn’t work

[blazing sail]

Thanks for entertaining me while try to move 30,000 or so photos off my phone

[hybrid wedge]

You can't spam the whiteout call anymore. But you can still use the crab voice to annoy everyone in a 50-mile radius

[brazen oyster]

@hybrid wedge you just wait till i send you a recording you " " reaction emoji

😂

[stoic badger]

@blazing sail Better you do this now then find out what Apple will eventually charge for 1TB of storage </3

[hybrid wedge]

Mirian already beat you months ago, Yaronimo. It was the recording to end all recordings: A Sky kid ruining the beautiful Orbit song by singing along to it in crab voice

[brazen oyster]

I go back to the old school days..
Taking chat tables and placing them, infront of people while they run

😂

[stoic badger]

“aah, i remember it like it was yesterday, smokes pipe”

[brazen oyster]

It sounds so terrifying you could use it a threatening item

😂

[stoic badger]

The table was pretty cool

[hallow breach]

when you try to go on a candle grind and get 6 candles and immediately spend 5

[brazen oyster]

I love when the chat is so active and positive🤣

[stoic badger]

@hallow breach ikr, I just stick to seasonal candles thesedays

[hallow breach]

yeah lol

[brazen oyster]

Even though its not actually a discussion.
Unless the ||child of light eating thing||

[hoary jay]

the what?

[blazing sail]

Uhh

Please don’t eat them

[brazen oyster]

||Actually its cannibalism
Sky kids turn into childs of the light after eden!||

[hallow breach]

||he/she means the krill/dark dragon i think||

oH

o h

[brazen oyster]

2 seconds later
Nagati is Typing...

[hallow breach]

sips coffee nervously

[brazen oyster]

🤣

[hallow breach]

also im realizing this is the general beta chat and ive only really lurked in here once and now im having anxiety

[brazen oyster]

Whenever i see "Nagati Is Typing.. " after i say something like this

I just thought Nagati reacted to it and locked my doors

A short question i know its off topic but its kinda a beta thing so im not really sure.
The ||invisible cape|| is it already out or in beta?

I didn’t really understand how to get it.
For the player who has all or for the player who has all season cosmetics

[hoary jay]

I haven't seen it at all in the live version-

[kindred fossil]

its staying in beta for now

[brazen oyster]

Yeah because its a invisible cape

[kindred fossil]

lol

[brazen oyster]

HA funny

Im so good in puns

[hoary jay]

o 😂

[brazen oyster]

And if you think it wasn’t good then.
Your funny bone broke
HA get it? Because you have a skeleton HA

[livid ice]

Something for the player who has everything iSNOt

The invisible cape

[brazen oyster]

Everything everything?

Like from season of gratitude

😂

[livid ice]

Everything as regular constellations

EVery elder

[brazen oyster]

Oh so a elder spirit thing

[livid ice]

7 of them yes

[brazen oyster]

spoiler

[livid ice]

We on beta

Oh well

Android users

[tardy dove]

i guess we still don’t know where it was intended to go

[livid ice]

Everyone knows about elders at this point

[hoary jay]

7 elders?

[tardy dove]

since it’s still in a place holder shop

[livid ice]

Yes

7

[brazen oyster]

||" You brought up a new topic.. ha you actually did it.. Smokes pipe "||

[livid ice]

Everyone is still concerned there’s just nothing left to talk about it || just a swing and a price || xD

[brazen oyster]

He said the S & P word oh no

"Impending Doom Approaches.. "

Ha get it? If you did then you know your old because fresh new hipsters don’t know what it means

[rustic imp]

We can also talk about having five mire days for rhythm

[brazen oyster]

[kindred fossil]

🥱

[livid ice]

Ehhh

XD

Good for Android players

[brazen oyster]

Told you, new fresh people on insta don’t know it

Lol

[livid ice]

But since is live :”v

[brazen oyster]

Some people said you can’t buy items in beta right?

So the shop is free for a duration and then not anymore?

[rustic imp]

!betacost

[gilded parrot]

Everything in beta is free, so nothing in the in-game store costs actual money.

[brazen oyster]

Wow that was one quick answer

[rustic imp]

All items in the beta shops are free

[brazen oyster]

!help

!betahelp

[rustic imp]

They will stay there and be free

[brazen oyster]

Also candles?

[rustic imp]

The help list isn’t available edit the public

[brazen oyster]

Oh

[rustic imp]

Sadly..

[brazen oyster]

Yeah

[rustic imp]

There are no candle packs in the shop though

That would be game breaking lol

[brazen oyster]

Ohhh

Thats why people complain about it takes to long to test it out right

[livid ice]

Beta is test for new content

[brazen oyster]

we don’t have the time to farm candles in beta

[livid ice]

Old content is already tested

No one should grind in beta

[brazen oyster]

Yeah

[livid ice]

Beta could say goodbye for u at any second

[brazen oyster]

Why?

[livid ice]

Not like that but TGC could wipe out the data

They would announce it first

If they need too

[brazen oyster]

Actually?

Nagati Is Typing..

[livid ice]

So there’s no reason for grind beta

[rustic imp]

It’s for testing.

So if they need to test a new economy system

[hybrid wedge]

Last time they wiped it was to test the economy before global launch. There may be other things where they'd need to see how things would work if players were starting from scratch

[brazen oyster]

New builds get released so you update the beta?

Ok

[hybrid wedge]

Yep. Otherwise we'd be giving feedback on features and bugs that may not be in the game anymore, or that will have changed

[brazen oyster]

Sounds like a good test

[livid ice]

That’s what some people don’t understand and then they argue about it

[brazen oyster]

So they release a new build and its like a notification so you go to TestFlight and update it to the latest build update?

[livid ice]

Like when this season didn’t finish on beta some Android users were really .... heated up by the process I would say

[brazen oyster]

Or you have like a limited time testing it before new invites come?

[livid ice]

While ur on beta

U receive notifications from TestFlight

And also from here

[brazen oyster]

Oh okay

[livid ice]

The server

[brazen oyster]

Yeah i saw that

[livid ice]

If they wipe out ur out and gotta wait for link invite if they let u in again

[brazen oyster]

Good to know thanks

Oh

Thats why they keep sending waves

[livid ice]

There has not been another wipe out

[hybrid wedge]

They can do progress resets and access resets separately. It's happened rarely enough that there's not really a pattern we can refer back to

[brazen oyster]

I was always wondering why would you want to bring more people if about 3K or 400 already do it

[livid ice]

The waves is because they’re needed but they have not reset beta entirely again yet

[rustic imp]

It’s good to get new testers.

[livid ice]

If needed

Yes

[brazen oyster]

That was my second thought

Thanks

Do you have all maps unlocked in beta or need to play trough first.
I hope unlocked otherwise this wouldn’t be very productive

[rustic imp]

You start over

[brazen oyster]

Whole over?

All maps need to played again?

[rustic imp]

Yup from the opening cutscene

[livid ice]

From the start

[rustic imp]

Yep.

[brazen oyster]

[livid ice]

Yes

Lol

[rustic imp]

It’s separate from live

No progress transfers

[livid ice]

The only thing I did was get every emote at first but that’s about it

I don’t go to eden unless they change something inside

And I don’t have all stars

[brazen oyster]

I think giving players candles and unlocking all maps would be better so they can find time to search bugs, and not try to farm candles or just accept they can’t test the fox mask, or need to play all maps first to find bugs and not straight go to search in vault

Do you get all cosmetics unlocked ?

[livid ice]

Nope

[brazen oyster]

Oh ok

[hollow compass]

no

[rustic imp]

You start from nothing

[livid ice]

Everything is like on live from the start

[hollow compass]

you have to buy everything, because that's part of testing the currency system

[brazen oyster]

So its basically buy stuff and find bugs nothing else

[livid ice]

U don’t have to buy regular stuff because that’s already tested

But yes

That’s what’s beta about

Testing new areas

New seasons

U do not have to sweat it

[hollow compass]

added features

[livid ice]

Live is what is important

Yeah

[rustic imp]

Let beta players find where things crash and burn before things go live

[brazen oyster]

Alright

[hollow compass]

everything that is released to Live is tested in beta first

[brazen oyster]

Yeah

Thanks for the information

How does the beta cape work by the way.
You sign in for the beta by opening the TestFlight link and they gift you the beta cape on live version?
Or a special cape only available for beta.
I mean the first option would make more sense otherwise how are you supposed to go into the office without using rude bugs or a friend?, basically you would need a beta cape or like said a friend or bug to get in and purchase the founders pack

[tawny prairie]

<_<

skybot

[worn field]

!betareward

[gilded parrot]

The Beta Cape was a one-time reward for the testing period prior to the iOS global launch. A future reward is not planned.

[hybrid wedge]

The actual beta cape is no longer available in the game. The founder's cape looks similar (black inside instead of white). You get it in the office like in live, but it doesn't cost any money

[brazen oyster]

Oh okay.
The black and white color different i knew but not that it was a one time reward

So how are you supposed to go inside the office without a bug or a friend

Or cape

[worn field]

you don’t

[tawny prairie]

In live your with a friend or your cape

[brazen oyster]

Okay

[tawny prairie]

In beta it’s free, you just need someone to drag you in once

have you not been able to get it yet?

[brazen oyster]

No im okay, i bought the founders cape.
(And im not in beta yet)

[tawny prairie]

Oh I thought you were beta my mistake

[brazen oyster]

I keep my eyes in #beta-announcements for the time to shine.

Not yet

[tawny prairie]

Maybe when we can test next season ~

[brazen oyster]

Maybe

Or they add a new item

Did some of you ever encounter a game changing bug in beta?

[tardy dove]

i guess when the bonfire was being tested it was kinda crazy

[brazen oyster]

How crazy?

Way to overpowered?

[tardy dove]

for some reason it could be lit by external light sources, eg in live you could place a bonfire on top of a candle and bang it would be lit. however, in beta stages it could be lit while you dragged it around, whether you light it or you drag it over and external fire source

so some one had an idea

basically: || they went to the endless rain in eden and walked through there while dragging the bonfire next to them, so no matter how many times they got extinguished they would be rekindled by the fire ||

so y'know that had to be patched lol

[round hornet]

Why does beta have a seasonal friend pass exactly

And can it be used?

Bc i bought 40

For no apparent reason

[lusty light]

Yeah you can use it but there’s no need

[round hornet]

How do i use them

[lusty light]

It’s there because they needed to make sure it worked

Meet up with your friend and give it to them like you would give a heart

[round hornet]

Ohhh

Ok

[brazen oyster]

@tardy dove wow if that would have been sent into live it would be more than a game changer, it would be a game breaker

[sand dawn]

I think it would be nicer if there would be special traveler spirits for events such as valentine
With items in candle prices ( and the swing could be like 100 candles)
There could also be a few spells, hearts, an emote and other stuff... (heart cape!)
And the spirit could stay a bit longer as the normal travelers.

[eternal bough]

how do i join beta?

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment, @eternal bough. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[eternal bough]

oh

[worn field]

that’s an interesting idea Lilichi. i hadn’t seen anyone suggest something like that yet.

[near locust]

@sand dawn that's a suggestion that I think would be great for beta-feedback.

[sand dawn]

Yeah, I’ll pop it in there

[livid ice]

Seasonal candles are there?

Like

On the level

The bunches?

Or they’re non existent

[next hazel]

can someone explain why there is a santa looking character thats like insanely large? is that an actual player?

[lusty light]

its him

you know

santa

[next hazel]

lol does it like.. do anything?

Im c o n f u s e d

[livid ice]

Play with u and stuff yes

[next hazel]

huh

[tawny prairie]

he’s just an Easter egg basically

He’s not in beta currently

[lusty light]

yes he is

i saw him

the other day

[tawny prairie]

what

I’ve been in and out, haven’t seen him once

[lusty light]

it's not an easter egg its just a bugged player account

[empty river]

i saw him yesterday

[lusty light]

who everyone loves

[empty river]

for like a whole minute it was great

[tawny prairie]

I thought it was an npc

lol

[lusty light]

nope!

[livid ice]

Ohhh nice

[tawny prairie]

I’ve never seen them in hame

[livid ice]

XD

[lusty light]

i've unlocked a lot of friend interactions with santa

they always give me hearts

[livid ice]

Cute

[tawny prairie]

is there a way for them to actually show up?

[empty river]

and never accept them back

[lusty light]

you can't force them to log in lol

[tawny prairie]

or just be lucky?

[empty river]

it's an actual player who knows lol

[tawny prairie]

wait someone is actually playing oh

that’s odd lol

[empty river]

fr it's just someone who got bugged same update the campfire was added

and they just stayed like that

[tawny prairie]

I’m curious if they will ever revert back

[lusty light]

they tried to fix him but hes too powerful.

[tame musk]

That’s just a tgc staff member testing out a grow spell 👀 haha jk I wish

[tawny prairie]

lol

[empty river]

most powerful skykid gg

[tawny prairie]

really just pines

[tame musk]

True

[empty river]

pines and ktjn in a trenchcoat

[tawny prairie]

ahahaha

Robert is the head

BIG SMILE

[dire rover]

It's the same bug as perma-chibi afaik

Perma chibi was interesting as it made you normal height when wearing chibi mask but without you were chibi

[hybrid wedge]

Perma-chibi affected tons of people. I haven't heard of the Giant Santa bug happening to anyone else.

[lusty light]

santa is god

[tardy dove]

one true, sky santa

[analog cargo]

!betafaq

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[empty river]

megabird who?

[tame musk]

I aspire to be like sky Santa

[ocean tinsel]

Did someone save up 999 hearts

[dire rover]

It would only take like 187 days that's easy

[kindred fossil]

a few did in live

[dire rover]

Curse those rainbow hearts

[dire rover]

$25 swing bad

[torn gust]

fun fact about giant santa

His is the only account whos bugged to be giant like that

[radiant drum]

Blessed

[torn gust]

So if you see a giant, youve met the one and only legendary sky cryptid, giant santa

[tardy dove]

I've yet to see santa in person

[empty river]

you haven't met santa?? :O

[tardy dove]

not yet 😔

one day... i believe,,,,

[radiant drum]

Santa dragged me to the secret area once

Santa is cool

[tardy dove]

a true santa,,

[empty inlet]

now is a LEGEND

[empty river]

if only his server didn't get full so fast

[near locust]

I have not met santa. I am sad.

[arctic pecan]

he is like the celebrity everyone would love to meet

[blazing sail]

Why haven’t I seen giant Santa? At least not since the campfire bug was fixed.

[torn gust]

I know he was active yesterday!

[molten wigeon]

does... Anyone have Santa's friend code thing...

[radiant drum]

Probably only santa as they’re an actual player

[arctic pecan]

sadly no for me

[molten wigeon]

[empty inlet]

papa will santa visit me this year?

[honest folio]

I want to find giant santa

wHeRe ARe mY GIFTS saNTA

[empty river]

santa if you are reading this pls put on some winter pants

join the movement

[blazing sail]

I want to be introduced to giant Santa

Yo what about a playground with swings and slides and a sandbox?

See saws

Merry go round

[tardy dove]

i woul d lo v e that

[fresh quiver]

I want to meet Santa

[gray violet]

Is there any seasonal candle bunches?

[radiant drum]

Probably not

I don’t think anyone has seen any since we’re not testing the season anymore

They just reactivated it so we could get the free spells

[gray violet]

Thought so.. thanks!

[next hazel]

how do u find santa?

is santa just in some random place?

[lusty light]

He’s a player you can’t find him

[tardy dove]

Santa is a real player

[next hazel]

wait so like they hacked or something?

someone else said it was computer

[radiant drum]

No it’s just bugged

[next hazel]

ah

so theres no way to actually be that big?

[empty inlet]

no

unless tgc gives you the luck

also pls stop accusing unusual things are hacked in public unless you’re 100% sure, cause it’s the most serious accuse in a game community and it really hurts, do report if you’re unable to confirm

[lusty light]

Flashbacks to accusing limited live players being hackers for having winter gear

[next hazel]

aaa im sorry 😦 was just asking. other people said that .sorry :((

[proven trout]

ha, someone accused me of being a hacker once because i had 5 capes. 5. it was weird for sure

[empty inlet]

have 999 hearts
must be hacked

[blazing sail]

Did you wear all five capes at once? Bc that would be strange.

[jolly juniper]

i want to be as tall as santa

[dire escarp]

Quick question to the iOS beta players, when there is a beta patch for you, does the download size from the appstore change? I. E. Android always seems to be around 720MB,
Just wondering if its a Google play thing or the update are always the full packages in Beta?

[lusty light]

updates are always the full package

it's like that on live too

[rich wolf]

I heard somebody say "swing"

is that true?

[dire escarp]

Sure is

@lusty light cool, makes sense, but just wanted to check

[rich wolf]

nice

although... can we do jumps with it

[dire escarp]

Not sure what you mean by jumps, but it's effectively a 2 seat table with swinging seats

If you move you fall off

Tbh emoting on it is pretty funny as you fall into the crashed pose on those longlasting like handstand

[rich wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-fail-swingset-gif-7464739

was the only good gif I could find of something like what I'm describin

[dire escarp]

OMG if only, could be like a weak catapult if you chose to flap off of it

Could be worth putting in feedback after you've played around with it

Would certainly make it more valuable

[rich wolf]

seesaw? what about the merry-go-round things too

[worn field]

those aren’t in beta. just the swing

[dire escarp]

Lol home would end up looking like a playground (no bad thing)

[sand dawn]

Yay, I managed to unlock another winter thing in beta..! It might not be fully back (no season candles) but at least we’ve got the quests!

[atomic yoke]

I have exams coming up I think after a week

Ayeeeee

[lilac nimbus]

how do u get those swings? is it gonna be available from the in-game shop or some other way?

[kindred fossil]

swing is available in the beta shop

as well as you were given free swing spells to try out

[lilac nimbus]

how much does the shop ones cost on beta?

[kindred fossil]

24.99$

[lilac nimbus]

wow, hehe. thanx for the help!

[shut sparrow]

anyone have a photo wearing the fox mask and ultimate reward hair ( rhythm season ) too see what it looks like together? please

[lapis pagoda]

Yes, I’ll pm to you

[dusky seal]

!betafaq

[gilded parrot]

The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.

[hollow compass]

@dusky seal the message from the bot won't change 😉

[dusky seal]

@hollow compass ... Ya I guess ur right

Still I wanna join beta so bad.. it makes me try again n again

[brittle sparrow]

Same

[tawny prairie]

#beta-announcements would have the info first, if you wait on the bot to update (it doesn’t), slots would be full

[pallid badger]

Definitely follow #beta-announcements , the bot might not be fast enough to update so I wouldn’t rely on it. 🙂

[celest yarrow]

🌞Good Morning My Mostest Beauteeefullest Skysapian Sisters & Brothers 😁HAPPY😆HAPPY😃HAPPY😊 🏈SUPERBOWL SUNDAY 🏈 I hope y'all have a Spectacularly Sumptuous Day & an Awesomesauce Relaxing rest of the Weekend Lots of 🤍❤🧡💛💚💙💖💜🖤 & 🪔🕯️to all 🤗🎉

[grave matrix]

Anyone found the season candles in the Wastelands

[lusty light]

There are no seasonal candles

The devs reactivated the season but didn’t reactivate the bunches because it’s not necessary for what they’re testing

[grave matrix]

🤔 is that reason why I cant gift my friend a season pass?

[lusty light]

You can still gift people season passes but passes are free anyway so your friend can get one themselves

[grave matrix]

Eh nope...I just spend 9.99 to get a pass for my friend...
I spend another 9.99 to get one of my own.
I got the 20 candles and I got 6 additional candles by doing the daily challenge

[lusty light]

Are you sure you’re in beta? Things in beta have a price tag but they don’t actually charge you

[grave matrix]

My friend spend the same on the pass and a gift for me

[lusty light]

I got 400 gift passes just because

[grave matrix]

Yes, I am beta

Im on Android

[lusty light]

Android has a limited live

[stoic badger]

I wonder if their counters have more than 3 digits

[grave matrix]

I just need to check my credit card, but last time I did get charged after a couple of days

[lusty light]

That means you’re playing limited live

Beta will never charge you money

[grave matrix]

Well whatever, I might have lost money and so did my friend and again we cant do what we wanted to do

[lusty light]

You bought a pass and your friend also bought a pass?

[grave matrix]

This is the second time this game does that

Yep, we both did

So we could gift one another

[lusty light]

If you both bought a pass you can’t gift it because they already have a pass

[grave matrix]

I see, well I guess I will save it for a next round or something

[stoic badger]

You can do it next season though. Me and a friend take it in turns buying each other gift passes, and now you get to keep the gift passes after the season it means for one season we can give our spare passes to each other instead of buying for that season.

[grave matrix]

Yeah I guess

There is a lot this game doesnt explain though

[stoic badger]

It can be confusing at first for sure

[grave matrix]

Whatever, now I know at least I wont be getting season candles because thats turned off

[lusty light]

I said that because I thought you were in beta

You’re in limited live which means there should be candles

[stoic badger]

Everytime you see a ? icon on the menu though, it provides you with more information on how something works

[grave matrix]

That means all that searching was for nothing, at least I got the spirit...I guess

@stoic badger yep, it doesnt say "if you buy a season pass...you cant recieve another from a friend"

[stoic badger]

Maybe not, but to be fair im not sure what you would expect if you sent a pass to someone that has it 🙈

[grave matrix]

More candles would been nice

[lusty light]

You can buy candles separately though

[grave matrix]

One time

[lusty light]

No

[grave matrix]

I cant buy another batch

[lusty light]

You can buy as many packs as you want

You can only buy one pass

[stoic badger]

Under the purchases there will be a pack of 15 seasonal candles

[grave matrix]

Welp it is confirmed I am beta

[hybrid wedge]

@grave matrix Can you send a screenshot of what you see when you open in the in-game shop?

[grave matrix]

I dint have permissions

[blissful lintel]

Hi guys

[grave matrix]

I send a DM to another user here so it has explained to me everything

[blissful lintel]

Can I ask what are those things with a heart on them as an instrument that I see in pics,Ware they swings?

[lunar zealot]

That is the swing cosmetic, yeah

[blazing sail]

Swing and a miss with the price. 🥁

[grave matrix]

You only get the swing right?

[inland flame]

Just the swing. There are also several swing spells offered by the quest-giver in beta

[knotty halo]

Wait when did the season return? Are the seasonal candles back?

Ignore the second question

I just read there are no candles this tiem around

[lunar zealot]

Season returned with the latest build to test a few things. If you see #beta-announcements it explains it

[knotty halo]

Oh woops i didnt read it

[barren flax]

When is the swing supposed to be in the game?

[livid ice]

On ur back

U put it where u want to

Like a table

@barren flax

[glossy rain]

@barren flax it's in beta, it won't necessarily make it to live. Date unknown

[livid ice]

Date is known

[barren flax]

Thanks

[livid ice]

And it will make it to live

[barren flax]

:0

[livid ice]

Is for the days of love

[lusty light]

The date is not known yet

[barren flax]

Cost?

[livid ice]

Which means by February 14

Seraph everyone knows what the day of love is

Lol

It has to be around that day

[lusty light]

Yeah but that doesn’t mean it’s going to come out exactly on valentines

[livid ice]

Yeah

Could be before

[lusty light]

Halloween items came around a week before Halloween

[livid ice]

Yeah that’s why I said around that fine