Okay so it isn’t just me
#beta-discussion
whole kraken
In the beginning there were a few at home but now no one shows up in any level or at home
narrow valley
Ok nevermind, TestFlight is just very particular that the iCloud account logged into the App Store is the correct one
valid hull
Whats the new season about?
fringe rover
Have one of the old Winter pants been removed? The || kiss emote || pants aren’t as poofy and the shoe comes up too high I think. Little upset because those were the pants I was looking forward to.
celest yarrow
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
valid hull
?
tardy dove
I THINK THOSE PANTS LOOK AMAZING
fringe pier
Yes
valid hull
Yesssss
tardy dove
MAYBE BC IM TALL IDK
celest yarrow
No fix yet 
dusky agate
Pls does anyone know where the isle spirit is
valid hull
Are ther any free wings as well?
fringe pier
I’m not sure yet
spark lance
I anyone even playing?! I literally been on for an hour flying everywhere and theres no one anywhere 😭😭😭
valid hull
Oh ok
fringe pier
I’ve only gotten forest prairie and vault so far
celest yarrow
so lost my patience!
valid hull
Anyone know when swinter season is coming out live?
fringe pier
If beta goes well, 2weeks
honest folio
my gosh, the amount of candles for the ||fox mask||
honest folio
@dusky agate to the right of the big ramp in the middle of the dunes
celest yarrow
So if they happen to fix it in time to get the spirit with the fox mask, can you get the mask anytime if you have the spirit?
whole kraken
How many candles for the fox mask??
dusky agate
I thought that was the gratitude spirit
fringe pier
50
dusky agate
Are they in the same area?
whole kraken
Ö
honest folio
50 plus the previous nodes
lusty light
It’s one spirit at hone for the weekend only
whole kraken
What’s the previous node before the fox mask and how many candles for that?
fringe pier
Someone posted a link with a post
honest folio
@dusky agate yes they're both in the same area
lusty light
Like 5 but you needed 2 ascended candles
dusky agate
Thank you!! I didn’t see it but I’ll check again(:
celest yarrow
so once you have it you have 2 days that's it?
fringe pier
Yeah I guess so
hasty vessel
So guys is the capeless cape only going to be available to players who have unlocked all the constellations?
safe spire
When you tap on the middle of the seasonal constellation, is it still supposed to say “grandma”?
lusty light
No
hasty vessel
Ah I see thanks seraph!
valid hull
Anyone know what types of things u can buy without money in the new season?
fringe pier
Grandma with us in spirit spirit
safe spire
Time to write a report if I can’t find one already 
Otherwise is there an ultimate gift yet?
honest folio
Should be piano from the Winter Pack
celest yarrow
wish I could find a bug to write a report for🤖 
honest folio
if you tap on granma you can see it
valid hull
How much candles for the fox mask?
sage mulch
I’ve already found a couple. I’m gonna report them when I finish playing.
brazen flicker
@valid hull no one has been able to get enough candles to finish the seasonal item trees yet. Even if we had, things can change between the beta and the live release
proven trout
the glow spell 
sage mulch
Okay, time to report some buggies.
celest yarrow
hasty vessel
Wait sorry so who offers the capeless item ? Is it from a new spirit?
Or an existing one?
lusty light
Existing
fringe pier
I didn’t pay attention where lol
mossy finch
I have a feeling from what ktjn said it will not stay where it currently is
hasty vessel
From the forest spirit? I’m guessing that will change in live release so it doesn’t impact people progress of the elder hair?
tardy dove
oh wow glow spell useful now nice
hasty vessel
Ah ok thanks crypt
mossy finch
She said something along the lines of they’re using that spot for now because it exists from when they were testing the umbrella there last season
Idk where they will put it permanently but I feel like it can’t be part of the normal constellations or it will mess up the elder hair difficulty levels
fringe pier
Yee
lusty light
Oh so when she said intentional
She meant that it’s supposed to be there, just not forever?
mossy finch
Ah I can try to scroll back what I saw
lusty light
The patch notes mentioned ||an ultimate ultimate reward||
fringe pier
I think possibly creating a separate spirit specifically for items like this (in case we have more later) OR just adding it to the shop somehow would be decent placement
tardy dove
its in beta updates
hasty marten
👌🏼
empty river
ooo they changed the logo for the friendliness badge thingy
fringe pier
DO YALL SEE RHAT SEASON DURATION?
empty river
its nicer now
fringe pier
WHAT THE HECC
empty river
lemme see
lusty light
Until April u mean?
fringe pier
It’s 10 WEEKS
mossy finch
Ktjn: I believe we stuck an umbrella there during Lightseekers as a placeholder, so it's a safe spot to test a spirit shop item.
fringe pier
Yaaaa that’s so long lol
lusty light
Bro that’s so many candles we are gonna get
fringe pier
TRUE! But
tawny bough
I'm so down for an extended season
fringe pier
I’m gonna get so tired
mossy finch
Followed by “this is beta after all, things will change”
idle current
Added Gratitude Mask Pack to the Store
Added something for the player who has everything.
😆
mossy finch
I read that as sticking it there temporarily because it was an easy spot to stick it
fringe pier
TGC really trying to please us the most they can what precious beans
lusty light
Who knows if it will stay that way tho
empty river
no mask pack in the store for me? unless that refers to the spirit at home
tawny bough
I'll be 90 years old before I can afford it
lusty light
No mask pack?
tawny bough
But it's cool as heck
brazen flicker
Is the portal button in the emote menu working for anyone?
empty river
no its greyed out
lusty light
It only shows up for me in home lol
tawny bough
portal?
brazen flicker
Same. I didn’t grab any pics, but I’ll submit a bug report
empty river
where the "especial emotes" are
fringe pier
Prairie got a lift over and it looks pretty
prisma tinsel
Is it just mine that the graphic quality is super low?
empty river
it feels like all of it comes toguether so much better now
fringe pier
Also the home portals got replaced with meditation platforms
I feel the amazement of being a beta player right now like
empty osprey
Where can you find the 999 item thing?
fringe pier
It’s so amazing, seeing the work first hand in its initial form
lusty light
Whale voice
unborn comet
pls i need help
my maps wont download omg
if i delete beta and reinstall it will i not have access back in it?
lusty light
You will still have access
unborn comet
its a beta question so i assume to ask here sksnrbf
fringe pier
Good decision hahaha
lusty light
You only lose access by pressing stop testing
narrow valley
when the wandering gratitude spirit puts you within view of the winter isle spirit,, pogU
unborn comet
🥺 💕 ok im trusting you im gonna weep mt baby eyes out if i cant get back in somehow oml
fringe pier
Maybe try contact support first
empty osprey
Lol is the 999 cape thing in office or something? Where is everyone seeing it at?
kind briar
When i deleted my app i still had access to everything downloading back with the testflight app
hasty vessel
I’m actually happy with the 999 spice tag, it will finally give me something to do in game
sage mulch
Not sure putting it in the Forest constellation is the best option. Rip all those people who didn’t get the forest elder hair.
fringe pier
Yeah
tardy dove
i dont think that's a permanent spot for it
fringe pier
I think putting it somewhere in shop or elsewhere will be better
kindred fossil
its a place holder
hasty vessel
I hope the ultimate ultimate reward is the || eden crown || or is that extra ultimate a typo?
I bet the capeless cape will be in eden
sage mulch
Yeah, it’s just making me worried. I also fear that the steep price tag on no-cape might remove all meaning to hearts. Not just a gift, but something to grind for.
proud steeple
I think the price is a mistake, 999 is a bit of a weird number like why not make it 1000... probs a glitch and the highest it can be is 999
kindred fossil
its not a glitch
lusty light
They just said something for the person who has everything
hasty vessel
But there are players in this game that like to grind..
tardy dove
when ppl finish their constellations, they end up having 0 use for hearts
idle current
Looks like a placeholder
valid hull
Anyone know when the next beta update is?
kindred fossil
its out
lusty light
Ktjn said it’s intended to be there and to be 999 hearts
fringe pier
The beta update just happened
spark lance
Getting the no-cape gives you flexing rights
sage mulch
I really think the ||crown|| should’ve gotten this price tag, if something with such a steep price needs to exist. I just think that they should lower the price of no-cape, to 100, like other people are asking.
fringe pier
If you don’t have it showing rn it might be delayed a little
hasty vessel
Anyone noticing how 60fps looks so much cleaner? WOW
valid hull
I mean like the when new slots might open?
fringe pier
No
valid hull
Is it undetermined
kindred fossil
never
valid hull
Oof
valid hull
K
fringe pier
You just have to watch the #beta-announcements channel for the announcement
spark lance
am I the only one having troubles with being online? I don’t get errors just, no one ever, and it isn’t the wifi but the game plays perfectly 👀
lusty light
The servers are under maintenance
hasty vessel
Ooop
spark lance
I wonder why
vapid drum
Ok
hasty vessel
Going for the gw seasonal right now, wish me luck!
orchid nexus
servers have been up and down today. if you're having trouble connecting, just give it time
vapid drum
Wow , it’s like I’m watching my old pc start up
The blue bar is going up reaaaaaaaaal slow
icy falcon
sorry if it's already been answered but do we know if 999 hearts are now needed to complete the forest constellation or is that just an optional one
hasty vessel
From how it’s worded it the patch notes it sounds like it will have no effect on your progress in the game
And will most likely be separate from the constellations
icy falcon
that's what i'm assuming/hoping lmao
fathom canopy
can someone explain to me this whole winter - gratitude thing?
hasty vessel
The additional rhythm mask has a duck bill!
lusty light
Winter season has been remade
lusty light
Gratitude season is not running, there’s just a returning spirit
Which will only be available on weekends
And cost ascended candles/heart candles
fathom canopy
aaah thank you
pine iron
Can’t find the seasonal spirit in valley :<
spark lance
for rhythm? it’s in the icerink
gloomy prawn
I am big sad about beta being full
obsidian tree
Emotes seem a bit different from the original winter season correct?
hasty vessel
And the instrument is a || xylophone || !!!!!
pine iron
How about in the wasteland?
hasty vessel
The golden wasteland spirit is a lot simpler than the season of belonging spirit
kindred fossil
its in ||graveyard, again|| all the way down
lilac bane
r u serious a xylophone??
kindred fossil
yep
lilac bane
:OO
fathom canopy
wait is there a glitch going on with my beta? It’s not updated or something
lilac bane
woah, i still remember as if yesterday, i was reading the suggestions and ideas and a person mentioning a xylophoneee
bold briar
does anyone know where the isle winter one is? I only see the temporary one with the fox mask
nvm got it
kindred fossil
that was fast
pine iron
Alright thanks dark
rich wolf
"Resume last checkpoint function is now done by using the new meditation circle in Home. "
does this work in eden
vapid drum
Does anyone know what the new statues are for
Like same one that give daily candle and message hearts
livid ice
Does someone here has still the prices for gratitude season ? Can y’all send me the pic if y’all have it please pelase
kindred fossil
for the wandering spirit?
hasty vessel
Hethr I would guess so, but it wouldn’t work after you enter the last room on the map in eden
kindred fossil
||its 25 candles for hair, 50 candles for the mask||
rich wolf
I mean like if I get to the ||tunnel|| and my game crashes.... will it still take me to the ||tunnel||
and I wonder if they fixed the hole, I hope not
hasty vessel
Once you make it to the tunnel it usually saves your progress and respawns you at this point
To rejoin you would have to use the shrine instead of entering the portal
livid ice
For the whole season,I don’t think it was that much tho ,since I got it on gratitude and it wasn’t 50 candles that’s crazy xD
Is it?
lusty light
@obsidian tree the emotes are the same
kindred fossil
gratitude is not returning as a whole season
livid ice
I know
rich wolf
I'm okay with that
livid ice
But spirits are still coming
rich wolf
traveling spirits 
kindred fossil
yes, and thats how much theyre going to cost, with regular candles
rich wolf
they should also cost hearts and ascended candles
livid ice
Are u for real ,who’s gonna buy that
kindred fossil
you
rich wolf
maybe they come in different colors
livid ice
I won’t
rich wolf
that'd be cool
livid ice
lol that’s too much candles
hasty vessel
Pricing is still up in the air
rich wolf
I would LOVE forever if the colors changed
kindred fossil
you need ascended candles to unlock the next node of a wandering spirit
kindred fossil
theyre not going to be recolored
hasty vessel
Would be nice though
rich wolf
^
hasty vessel
I’m happy players will be able to get previous seasonal items
rich wolf
doen
hasty vessel
I wonder how much the gratitude mask pack will cost in the shop
rich wolf
imo same as winter...
hasty vessel
30? Hmm do you think it will include the ultimate reward mask as well?
rich wolf
it should....
fringe pier
Nah I don’t
dense flicker
I’m so glad they brought back gratitude items - I got the game the day gratitude ended lmao I was so sad since it still has my favourite cosmetics of all seasons
kindred fossil
it shouldnt
rich wolf
and now... with Traveling Spirits they can also do Solo Spirits
new spirits not attached to seasons
fringe pier
True
rich wolf
some things people want just don't jig up with a comprehensive season idea
Krill Dancer Spirit - get a krill call and krill dance emote, and krill dance costume
quick oriole
So people keep saying the 999 heart thing is the real price for no cape, where did the devs say that?
sage mulch
Also, I’d like to mention! The new ultimate reward doesn’t seem to be the same piano as the one seen in the Winter pack. Even though it has the same icon, its model is different.
hasty vessel
Oh really?
lunar zealot
I believe it is a polish to the piano Cathulu much like the other items. Almost every winter item is polished
hasty vessel
Btw guys the duck mask from the gw spirit doesn’t require a seasonal pass 
rich wolf
Krill Dancer Spirit is my spirit animal
gloomy prawn
does anyone know how much the winter pass is going to cost when it’s released for live?
lunar zealot
9.99 as other passes ( individual ), 14.99 for friends pass in $ USD
gloomy prawn
ok sweet I was worried
pine iron
Where is the seasonal spirit in vault?
peak oyster
Hi are spirits released one by one or are they all at once this time?
sage mulch
Hm, if it’s polish, then I’m gonna miss the old model. I liked how different it was.
kindred fossil
||first floor, behind the 4 player door|| @pine iron
sage mulch
Although, I also kinda understand, as it also sorta stood out, artistically.
pine iron
Oof
kindred fossil
@peak oyster it says that theyre released weeky, all at once in beta
lusty light
They’ve been released all at once but that’s most likely because it’s beta
lunar zealot
All at once so far, but they might be weekly spirits once it comes live
lusty light
The season is only 11 days in beta
peak oyster
Thanks!
austere walrus
I really hope it's all at once in live
unborn comet
🥺 a-all my progress in beta is gone i
pine iron
Thanks again dark
gloomy prawn
does that mean live won’t get winter season for 11 days 😦
lunar zealot
It will be a 10 week season in live Tetzel
austere walrus
The patch notes say it starts on the 23rd
brazen flicker
@gloomy prawn the live release depends on how beta testing goes. There’s no release date
gloomy prawn
oh ok
brazen flicker
Oh is it @austere walrus ? I must have missed that part
tardy dove
it is
lunar zealot
Actually there is Panda, patch notes states the 23rd
austere walrus
Yeah
lusty light
I wonder if
gloomy prawn
damn, right in the middle of finals week 😭
austere walrus
XD
lunar zealot
It might?
brazen flicker
I stand corrected 
kindred fossil
wait, this month or the next, im stupid
lunar zealot
This month
sage mulch
I can’t wait to be a duck billed clown.
kindred fossil
BOI
lusty light
The date in the patch notes lead me to believe it might be early but who knows lol
brazen flicker
Time to go reread patch notes 
lusty light
Belonging was only like 2 days early
hasty vessel
@lunar zealot previously which seasonal spirit offered the black pants?
kindred fossil
i love winter so much, i cant wait
lusty light
There’s 4 pairs of pants
tardy dove
So many pants
lunar zealot
Errrr i don’t remember of the top of my head.. it’s 1am atm here. Check the wiki—
!wiki
gilded parrotBOT
spark lance
is it just me or is the previous winter piano model better than the new one..?
hasty vessel
Thanks!
rich wolf
krill dancer spirit maybe
kindred fossil
what does the new model look like?
spark lance
lemme get a pic..
austere walrus
The new piano model looks like maybe that it would have more notes than other instruments
spark lance
oh i cant send a pic here
lunar zealot
I personally like the new look. But i was never really fond of the look it currently has in live tho
spark lance
going ✈️ screenshots
kindred fossil
send it in screenshots
proud steeple
new piano model?
spark lance
there
kindred fossil
yeah, most of the winter cosmetics got polished
austere walrus
I wonder if the winter piano is the same as the ultimate piano
proud steeple
ohh i see
spark lance
i kinda like the winter symbol on the old one. new one is nice too but its a bit similar with the normal piano.
proud steeple
is the new one what the ultimate reward is?
lunar zealot
Most likely will be the same Lucky, i assume. Us winter players can report that once season makes it live haha
fringe pier
The icon looks the same
outer crater
question : what is the traveling spirit i see in home?
lusty light
It’s the same thing
austere walrus
Yeah 🤙
lusty light
A lot of the cosmetics got redesigned
proud steeple
oh so the old one will get changed?
lusty light
Yes
vapid drum
Lol, I can’t light the spirit as a chibi in forest 🤣
fringe pier
Rob go with someone lol
lusty light
The pain of being short
vapid drum
I need to use the table
lusty light
I did manage to get it tho
vapid drum
😂
fringe pier
I was thinking that when I was doing the forest spirit “man if I was a chibi I’d be dead”
vapid drum
I’ve got it 🎉
hasty vessel
Wd rob!
Is anyone playing online with other players?
My game feels like ghost town
silk harbor
The new spirits are just a placeholder right or are they literally recycling last years stuff
kindred fossil
they are
silk harbor
Hrm
kindred fossil
theyre called wandering spirits
rigid crater
Besides the extremely egregious cost of the “no cape” cosmetic, how would that even work? Like, aren’t you supposed to have a cape to fly around?
fringe pier
There might be some slight changes n for the most part it’s the same emotes and stuff
silk harbor
…
hasty vessel
@rigid crater you transcend the cape
fringe pier
We’re not too sure Make, the season just started
brazen flicker
@rigid crater I think it’s an invisible cape to give us the “no cape” look. I could be wrong, though 
proud steeple
do we know for sure its a no cape cosmetic?
brazen flicker
@silk harbor are you talking about the wandering spirit or the winter spirits?
fringe pier
Winter I think
rich wolf
krill dancer spirit 💯
proud steeple
i can just imagine everyone chasing the no cape skykid to friend them
fringe pier
Forreal
spark lance
cant wait to see smol ducklings in sky
hasty vessel
Will your arms flap like a bird or will you look like Peter Pan?
The duck mask is my favourite!
brazen flicker
@spark lance I dont know. We’ll have to wait to hear from TGC on that, or until someone with the old cosmetics tests it
fathom canopy
can anybody tell me where the spirts are? My beta just finished updating
fringe pier
Why don’t you explore first then ask
It’s no fun just going straight to the spirit
Besides there’s a lot of location design changes that are nice to detour and explore
Like prairie
kindred fossil
its beta
fringe pier
Butterfly field got so much prettier 
brazen flicker
@fathom canopy there’s a spirit in each level except eden, and a wandering one at Home 😄
proud steeple
i hope we get to keep the bigger home area, maybe change it to grass once season ends
fringe pier
Just because it’s beta doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate the level changes
safe spire
Anyone else have disappearing wing cape stars/wedges?
fringe pier
Hmmm haven’t had that happen yet
kindred fossil
just go into a level
proud steeple
yup
rigid crater
@safe spire yeah
safe spire
When I first updated my beta I thought it was a new feature
fringe pier
OH wait yeah that happened to me too LOL
hasty vessel
Is everyone playing in ghost maps right now? I seem to be the only one in vault ground floor
fringe pier
I was gonna report it but when I went thru a portal it came back
sudden gust
Vault is a ghost town right now
fringe pier
@hasty vessel the servers are wonky today. Everyone is playing ghost town
hasty vessel
B-but the light blue cape.. ~cries
sudden gust
Will the gratitude mask pack have the deer mask?
fringe pier
Not sure
sharp raven
”All portals to Home within the social areas of each level have been replaced by meditation shrines with a confirmation menu so that players don’t accidentally return to Home instead of progressing through the level.”
OMG WHY?? it’s difficult enough as it is to keep groups of friends together. Why impose ANOTHER barrier?
kindred fossil
wut
wet zenith
Is there a group for beta memes? 🤣 I’m thinking in Edna Mode from the incredibles “NO CAPES” every time I read about it
sudden gust
Yeah what are you talking about?
livid ice
Hahahhaha
sharp raven
Using a home shrine separates players, potentially putting them in different home instances.
sudden gust
Like you know the statue in valley that takes you home? They got rid of those, which are useless anyways
That’s what they mean
livid ice
I have a question, who has the musician pack gets the pass instantly but , does that person gets the 20 extra candles also?
final lance
I'm actually little affraid i dont have a chance to get the new mask (2 days) becuz of black screen error
kindred fossil
we dont know that yet daeven
brazen flicker
@sharp raven the social space and bird shrines were kind of redundant anyways. And they fixed the checkpoint feature that has actually been causing issues by separating friends
livid ice
Oof
unique stirrup
wait where's the season of gratitude spirit located?
sharp raven
@sudden gust @brazen flicker
Sky is a social game, why put in place mechanics that further separate people?
If people were accidentally jumping into home portals, put a gate in front of the portals or seclude them in an alcove like the cosmetic places.
kindred fossil
yes its a returning spirit, should be in isle
unique stirrup
ty ty i'll search around isle after i get vault seasonal
sudden gust
Not home portals! We are taking about HOME STATUES
sudden gust
@sharp raven You know that home statue in valley ice rink? They got rid of that
tardy dove
the bird ones
kindred fossil
and get asked if you want to go home
sharp raven
@sudden gust
Exactly! Home portals are useful because all players in a group go through as one unit.
brazen flicker
@sharp raven the portals that lead to Home. Not the portals leading from Home to the levels
sharp raven
@brazen flicker @sudden gust
Existing home portals (not shrines) are being replaced by shrines.
sudden gust
I don’t like portals personally because having more than 4 friends holding hands means you can’t fit everyone through the portal
rustic imp
The portals to go back home from social areas changed
Not the way into levels
I looked at it
It works a lot like the end of level cutscene
Everyone has to confirm and sit down
It’s a deliberate action to go home
sharp raven
@rustic imp
Yes, that’s exactly the problem.
rustic imp
Yes
brazen flicker
@sharp raven the bird shrines are being removed. And the portals leading to home are being changed, yes. But how often have you been in a group that used one of the lobby portals, really? Groups usually teleport home to regroup from farther into a level
rustic imp
Why do you see it as an issue? I wish to understand
sudden gust
Why is that a problem? Just type in chat “sit” and everyone sits
rustic imp
It takes a while to actually go home
kindred fossil
its not really going to ruin your friendships
sharp raven
@brazen flicker I use the social area portals for groups multiple times a day to reset instances while keeping a group together.
sudden gust
You no longer need to reset instances
brazen flicker
@sharp raven if you’d read the notes or my earlier comment to you, the reset issue had been fixed
rustic imp
So if you take groups through multiple levels it’ll be the same process
sudden gust
All portals will take you to the beginning of a level
tardy dove
thats why we have the return shrine now
sudden gust
There is a new shrine at home to return yeah
rustic imp
The new level portal mechanics will take Getting used to but I approve
sharp raven
@sudden gust
Why would you even need a return shrine? Players can return home at any point through the menu.
brazen flicker
Which I think is a great improvement for tgc to add in order to facilitate the social aspect of the game
tardy dove
let me just record
sudden gust
@sharp raven I mean in home space, there is a return portal to return to where you left off
fringe pier
There’s the portals and then I think the checkpoint shrine that takes you to the most recent level you’ve been in I think
kindred fossil
theyre now the new checkpoints
sudden gust
Say if you were in the middle of forest before you went home, if you take the return portal you’ll go back to the middle of forest
kindred fossil
since you no longer need to reset maps in order to maintain a group
rustic imp
But if you go into forest level portal the archway you are back at the beginning of forest^^
sudden gust
It’s a bit confusing but I promise you it’s way better
sudden gust
I was just in Tara’s stream with 8 people and not one person disconnected from isle to vault
tardy dove
here i posted a video in #beta-screenshots-videos
tall maple
Where is the prairie one I have looked all over
sudden gust
It’s under the first floating island
sharp raven
People will still be separated by instancing because they have to break group to return. That’s the whole problem of shrines.
tall maple
Wha
sudden gust
Bird call area in prairie
sudden gust
It was not a problem for us
tall maple
I forgot about that place
lusty light
I don’t understand what you mean
sudden gust
There is a grace period where new people are not added to the instance
lusty light
The system of going home and returning to a checkpoint is still the same
rustic imp
You can still teleport home and teleport to fiend. Same solution as before
lusty light
It’s just done differently
sudden gust
So even if not everyone returns home at the same time, you don’t get disconnected
hasty vessel
They redesigned the black pants! 💀 they’re now dark navy
lusty light
They were dark navy before
rustic imp
I always just told people to return home
sudden gust
It really does feel like friends disconnect less often than they used to
rustic imp
Even in social area I never used the portal lol
kindred fossil
yo youll never get separated
hasty vessel
Ok well I am severely disappointed in myself for misinterpreting that
sharp raven
@sudden gust @lusty light
Currently, a group of players can all go through a portal together. Returning home to the same instance
rustic imp
Even in groups I told everyone to go home through menu
woeful lodge
Has someone found 8 seasonal candles in vault today? I only found 7 of them
sharp raven
@sudden gust
I disconnect from friends more often now.
sudden gust
Are you in beta?
whole kraken
||So what’s the wasteland spirit? Is it a fetch quest or what kind is it? ||
sudden gust
Stupid question but just making sure
rustic imp
I’m live I’m constantly getting separate btw
lusty light
what changed is that if one person was in the middle of the level and another person wasn’t, they won’t be separated by going through the home portal because it will put you at the beginning of the level no matter what
sudden gust
It is a guiding spirit
sharp raven
@sudden gust
All I’m talking about is returning home.
whole kraken
Dang is it hard? Is it the one with all the krill?
lusty light
returning home is still the same
kindred fossil
aight but servers in beta are currently going coco
sudden gust
Returning home is no problem in my experience in the beta so far. Have tested with 8 people full server/instance
brazen flicker
@whole kraken not nearly as hard as last season
sharp raven
@lusty light
Returning home from social area is being changed. That’s my problem.
sudden gust
Not as difficult, but same area @whole kraken
lusty light
You can still go home from the menu
keen turtle
@whole kraken it's not that bad. You can actually avoid the krills pretty easily if you remember their patterns
kindred fossil
which social area
lusty light
And everyone gets sent home at the same time if they sit at the return shrine
sudden gust
Returning home is not a problem in beta
rustic imp
I have gotten used to large parties goin through multiple levels so I don’t mind the shrine
fringe pier
Sitting on those shrines don’t take too long lol
whole kraken
@keen turtle thanks!
fringe pier
Quicker than if I wanted to go home via menu imo
rustic imp
I depend on the menu home too though
sharp raven
@lusty light
Groups are NOT returned home at the same time. Each individual must meditate and select yes to return home from the home shrines. This can separate players due to instancing.
kindred fossil
dont you communicate with your group
sudden gust
Let’s say you return home with a group of 5 people and they hit the button at different times: the instance has a period of like 30 seconds where the instance will not fill with random players
Isn’t that your concern? I think it’s been addressed in the beta
tardy dove
i've always just, used the menu to go home at the same time "home time?" "home time."
orchid nexus
This looks like a lot of talk about going home. Changes are always going to seem jarring, but everyone try it out for a while (like after the servers stabilize) and maybe see if the new way works.
sudden gust
Instances are not as aggressive in filling an instance with random players
lusty light
Each individual person must sit and accept going home yes, but it is no different from sitting at the eden cutscene and waiting for the circle to shrink
Once that statue lights up, everyone is going home at the same time
sharp raven
@lusty light
Exactly the problem. Everyone has to do it separately.
kindred fossil
bruh moment
lusty light
How is that any different from going home from the menu though?
rustic imp
If everyone is paying attention they know wen they need to sit
sharp raven
@sudden gust
The actual problem is instancing.
brazen flicker
Monti if everyone ends up at home together, then what’s the issue? You don’t want to push the button?
sudden gust
I’m telling you I’ve been testing it and have found no separation going home with a. Group
brazen flicker
I don’t understand
lusty light
This system is already in place in multiple parts of the game in different ways and it doesn’t affect instancing
brazen flicker
@grave bough i think you dropped these ||
sudden gust
People go home at different times now, yes. But we all arrive in the same home space, we don’t get separated
brazen flicker
rustic imp
Ive almost never been in the social area with a group I wanted to stay together with and needed to go home
It’s always been out in the level
sharp raven
@lusty light
Currently, an entire group can go through a home return portal at the same time, preserving instances.
Currently, using a home return shrine is done separately, potentially separating players.
The problem is separating players.
orchid nexus
so here's a thing I've seen a lot in beta: players get used to things. things change. for a little while, lots of people say things like "this will never work, everything is awful." Then either they get used to it, or the problems become obvious, the more TGC gathers player behavior data.
sudden gust
I’m telling you no one has gotten separated in my testing of the shrine
sharp raven
@sudden gust
I get separated all the time.
kindred fossil
communicate with your group, if you all get separated, let the group warp to one person to regroup, i dont understand hows that an issue
lusty light
People would get separated by going through the home portal because not everyone fit, there’s literally no difference and there’s no problem with the new system
sudden gust
In beta or in live @sharp raven ?
sharp raven
@sudden gust
Live.
tardy dove
the only time i need to go through the home portal at the social space is to reset the checkpoints but now the check point resets when you go through realm portals at home anyways
kindred fossil
that explains it
rustic imp
You have to test system together. Live and beta separate
sharp raven
@sudden gust
I know, that’s the point z
lusty light
And now you don’t even have to do that anymore lol @tardy dove
tardy dove
yeah lol
sudden gust
Right, it’s better in beta lol
tardy dove
which is nice
sudden gust
They’ve changed something about the way they fill a lobby
sharp raven
@sudden gust
Anything that can cause more separation isn’t better.
brazen flicker
@sharp raven have you experienced separation in beta with the new system? Because people who have been testing it say that they’re staying with their group and not experiencing separation. If you aren’t beta testing, then you’re borrowing trouble
rustic imp
I always had everyone hit home in menu separately no matter where we were. Wouldn’t that technically be worse for keeping together?
sudden gust
The game is very hesitant to add new people to a lobby, I think that’s a good change
kindred fossil
its not meant to cause more separation but aight
rustic imp
Less aggressive system is good
sharp raven
@rustic imp yes
sudden gust
The shrines aren’t necessarily better than the portal, I can agree with you there. But the practical, overall experience with friends is improved as far as I can tell
@sharp raven I think your opinion is valuable and you should submit some feedback to support
It’s the only chance you have at getting the home portals back
sharp raven
@sudden gust
I’ve submitted feedback about instance problems.
rustic imp
I don’t get what the capeless cape is.
lusty light
It’s just an invisible cape
rustic imp
Why is everyone saying it’s expensive?
tardy dove
i wonder who the first person to own it will be haha
sudden gust
I have as well, and it seems like the instance problem has been improved or resolved in the beta
lusty light
Like 2 limited live players
sharp raven
@sudden gust
Do you want mechanics that increase social cohesion?
lethal helm
Are you really rerunning winter before the global Android release? 🤔
unique stirrup
i love this season sm
sharp raven
@sudden gust
Between shrines, which require separate actions, and portals, which act on everyone at once,
which adds to social cohesion?
sudden gust
Portals in theory, I admit
orchid nexus
the portals are too small for more than 3 or 4 players at once
sudden gust
Yeah but portals are nice because it’s a bit faster
orchid nexus
I've broken groups by dragging people through and having a few fall off the end
sudden gust
However, it doesn’t make much of a difference
tardy dove
"WE GOT LEFT BEHIND"
sharp raven
@orchid nexus @rustic imp
I agree, the portals need to be bigger; that’s a separate issue.
orchid nexus
but server matchmaking actually keeps people together for a while after level transitions, so it doesn't matter it portal or shrine IMO
rustic imp
Was it octo that got on livestream only to be separated because portal wasn’t big enough?
sudden gust
My ideal solution would be a portal that doesn’t leave out the people on the ends
orchid nexus
it's a change. try it out. if it doesn't work, say so
rustic imp
Monti do you have beta?
sharp raven
@sudden gust
Yes, wider portals.
sudden gust
I’d like that.
sharp raven
@rustic imp
No. I already said I’m in live.
rustic imp
Ok. Misunderstanding
orchid nexus
so, complaining about speculation that it may not work, actually is not super helpful here.
sudden gust
But the shines work fine so far, because even if it’s slower there is plenty of time to join your friends
rustic imp
I didn’t see that was the meaning you were trying to convey
sharp raven
@orchid nexus
This isn’t speculation.
Portals work better than shrines.
lethal helm
Hey alex, did you save up candles to buy everything for Belonging?
raw frigate
Heya guys, any clue what is the next season will be?
kindred fossil
are you in beta?
like, you really cant speculate if youre only a live player, its not helpful
sudden gust
Like legit your idiot friend jimmy could get to the shrine 6 minute late and still teleport home to the same instance
rustic imp
Beta testing for season has begun
lethal helm
I’m finally almost done saving myself 
fringe pier
Have mercy on jimmy
rustic imp
@monti it is speculation becuase there are other changes along with the shrines
sharp raven
@sudden gust
I hope that’s the case.
rustic imp
It’s a packaged deal
sharp raven
@rustic imp
I’m not talking about other changes.
orchid nexus
that's fairly subjective, but we also don't have a full set of data on why the change was made. there may be more to it than we know.
lusty light
You are literally speculating because you haven’t had experience with the new shrines yet
rustic imp
If it wasn’t with the other changes I’d likely agree.
sudden gust
@sharp raven I hope it’s like that in live too, or I’ll sign your petition for extra wide portals lol
rustic imp
But TGC likely has other improvements
You’ll actually need to play with all the changes to get the full picture
sharp raven
@lusty light
I’m not talking about how the new shrines work.
I’m only talking about replacing portals with shrines.
orchid nexus
but for the sake of actually moving on: let's stop the conversation about the home shrine/portal. it's gone in circles a few times, and I think everyone was heard.
obsidian tree
Anyone know what they mean when they say they fixed the star in the tree in prairie?
orchid nexus
there was a star inside a tree
rustic imp
How does traveling spirit work?
sudden gust
I assume the star is outside and visible
fringe pier
Did they really fix it?!
orchid nexus
now... I don't know beacuse I haven't been in there yet 🙂
sudden gust
And not hidden in the tree trunk
lusty light
There’s going to be one past seasonal spirit that shows up every weekend
For the weekend only
tardy dove
i wanted to see it but there's no one there kdlfd
spark lance
I like the change that sends you to the beginning of every level from home unless you choose the shrine to take you to your progress in a specific area. There were time I was helping someone else, took their hand and lead them to a gate forgetting that I had ended in the middle of that area and we got separated. It’s rough when you’re helping a moth and they don’t know what to do. So I like that particular change.
lusty light
Granny pigeon lets link up
obsidian tree
Ah- yes I’m just wondering what they’ve done with the Star now
lethal helm
Petition to change home island into home octagon, with 7 sides being a portal and 8th side being the closet
lusty light
Let’s all go to the area now lol
orchid nexus
good idea seraph!
spark lance
Beta is tough right now, I’m almost always alone. Got all the spirits but had to use rough methods to get the one in vault.
rustic imp
So you better have enough stuff to buy the spirit items on the weekend?
lusty light
Yes
kindred fossil
grind like crazy
rustic imp
Yuh pretty much
lusty light
I think the traveling spirit is geared toward veterans who just missed out on the season
Not newbies
spark lance
So am I to understand that there will be a different spirit in the home area each weekend?
orchid nexus
aMused, there has been server maintenance today. I think it's unstable still
lusty light
Yes
livid ice
Is it only gonna be gratitude? :”0
lusty light
No
sage mulch
Grind through the week for the wandering spirit.
rustic imp
Doesn’t seem like ultimate items will return
spark lance
I wondered about that @orchid nexus
lusty light
Maybe ultimate items will return through the pack
spark lance
I was having some server issues today.
lusty light
Like the winter piano is the ultimate item now
There’s going to be a gratitude pack
Maybe it’ll be deer mask?
rustic imp
Ah.. right there wasn’t one for winter the first time
orchid nexus
for a little while I was getting "server error" dialog like every 3 seconds
livid ice
Seraph first u know if it’s the same sound? As the piano that is on the winter pack?
Do u know *
spark lance
I got server issues when trying to get my quest candles
sage mulch
I guess I have the winter season ultimate reward, now.. lol?
lusty light
Yes
livid ice
Oh wow
lusty light
And you’ll get a free pass too :D
spark lance
What is the winter season ultimate reward?
lusty light
Well
sage mulch
🙂
lusty light
“Free”
livid ice
Lol
woeful lodge
Has someone found 8 seasonal candles in vault today? I only found 7 of them
livid ice
It costs more long run
obsidian tree
Okay wait so. Winter spirits are there for the duration of the season...and then some gratitude/lightseekers/belonging spirits will show up on weekends? That accurate?
rustic imp
Fell the power!!! Of the winter piano!!
glass grail
How do i get the winter update? Is it only for beta?
brazen flicker
@woeful lodge pretty sure I found 8. Did you get the one ||behind the ascending path in the prayer room?||
sage mulch
Won’t have to buy certain items from the spirits though.
rustic imp
@obsidian tree yep
spark lance
What do you mean, @sage mulch
sage mulch
Get to start on my duck mask, early, lol.
spark lance
You already have them?
woeful lodge
@brazen flicker I think I got that one T.T
lusty light
Live*
simple willow
The seasonal pass for beta is free right?
lusty light
So I still need to wait weeks for that sweet xylophone
orchid nexus
in life.
orchid nexus
seraph literally can't show respect. in. life.
sage mulch
The winter musician pack comes with items that the spirits have. I won’t have to rebuy those items.
lusty light
It’s true
simple willow
Ye 👌 can’t wait to get off work and get home so I can see what’s new😍
lusty light
Alex is a boomer
sage mulch
:0
glass grail
How Can I join beta?
gilded parrotBOT
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kindred fossil
no beta for you
glass grail
😦
spark lance
I think the iPhone beta just updated
rustic imp
This stuff will be in live soon enough. Well try to work out any problems in the whole thing before then
spark lance
It did for me anyway
brazen flicker
@woeful lodge I’ll try to go count again. Give me a sec and I’ll ping you
kindred fossil
yeah, hours ago
lethal helm
Didn’t you ask this exact question in the question channel 🤔
spark lance
Yeah I already was apart of it so I just updated beta app. I usually just am in beta instead of live
rustic imp
This weekend happens to be a good time to finally do eden in beta 😭
river crane
Anyone know where the winter rhythm seasonal spirit is? I thought it was in the elder room but it’s not there..
lusty light
Which one
fringe pier
^^
rustic imp
Soo uhhh... I didn’t look at the prices of the pass in beta before hitting. What’s the costs?
lusty light
Same as always
fringe pier
^^^
rustic imp
Ok ty!
river crane
Ooo I mean forest
lusty light
Under the bridge
fringe pier
Forest is at the last map
lusty light
Where you do the jellyfish
lunar dome
Petition to have tgc bring back walking while playing an instrument
eternal vale
i saw things mentioning 8 candles in vault, is there a way to get more seasonal candles in each level?
brazen flicker
@eternal vale you mean more than 8? Or more than the usual 4?
oblique veldt
You get seasonal candles the way we always have: by doing quests and finding clusters in the map?
I’m not sure what you mean
lusty light
There’s 8 candles in vault because the season is short and the rate you get candle is increased
oblique veldt
Yea though this is a only beta feature because of it’s fairly shorter season in beta
peak oyster
Patch notes says there’s a stage in Home for performers but I don’t really see it? Hmmm
cosmic yoke
What spirits are available rn? Is it a one a week like last time?
eternal vale
@cosmic yoke all of them should be out right now
tall maple
Where’s the Valley spirit?
eternal vale
@tall maple by the skating rink, there's a big hole in the far right corner, the spirit is in there
cosmic yoke
Thank you! I’ll look for em now then!
frigid shadow
idk if this was answered already, but for this season will there be one spirit per week?
frigid shadow
yayy!! thank you :D
woeful lodge
Thanks for the feedback room@reminder @vapid briar !!!
blazing sail
How many seasonal candles should I have today?
lusty light
@frigid shadow @livid ice the spirits are only released all at once because this is beta and the devs need testers to have access to everything to report things faster, the way the season is set up in beta will not be the same in live
37
frigid shadow
ohhh that makes sense
blazing sail
Ack so I missed one
livid ice
Wait I thought it would be the same as the old winter D:
lusty light
But one bunch didn’t give me light and now I’m stuck with 35 and a half 
frigid shadow
oh no D:
lusty light
Old winter had spirits release once a week
lusty light
And the season wasn’t going to be exactly like how it was in limited live
frigid shadow
ah okie
blazing sail
Must have missed one by the spirit
frigid shadow
thanks :D
livid ice
Oof ._.
grim geyser
Does anyone know if the winter season is coming on live?
livid ice
23rd
lusty light
Yeah 20 + 5 + 12
sage mulch
Wait.. I got 40 candles when I bought my pass.
livid ice
Someone got 60 when they got theirs
lusty light
I need my cape back
fringe pier
12 candles what the hecc?
sage mulch
I thought those extra 20 were because of how short the season in beta was.
spring cloak
60 :0
fringe pier
Frickle frack I think I need to sweep the ground vault area again...
spring cloak
I felt like a missed a bunch
livid ice
I know right xD
fringe pier
RIAA come with me
spring cloak
OK
lusty light
I checked 5 times and counted
fringe pier
Later tho
fringe pier
I’m gonna go do stuff real quick
spark lance
!! the hair that makes it look like you have ears, don’t have a picture but if anyone knows which one, where do I get it?
sage mulch
Welp, I’ll have to report that bug when I get feeling better. For whatever reason my hands feel kinda numb.
fringe pier
Wait if everything is 1.5 then I’m missing like 2-3 candle bundles right
sage mulch
Oh, the two fluffs on the side of the head? You get that from completing the prairie constellation.
spring cloak
Cathulu's signature hairstyle
spark lance
I need it immediately
proven trout
im late but i got like 30 candles when i got the pass
and yes, you do need it. its so powerful
stoic badger
I got 40, seems like its a bit bugged....
orchid nexus
sage mulch
The most powerful hairstyle. Screw no cape, clown hair is the ultimate power move.
stoic badger
looool. Anyone know where the first spirit is?
spark lance
Ooo wait wrong one, I stole this (sorry) but I meant this one
can’t send pictures so ignore that lmao
sage mulch
Send it in #beta-screenshots-videos
spark lance
There’s a couple in there but Lyra posted a picture of it ^^
sage mulch
Ah, I cannot find what hairstyle you’re talking about, but you can look on the wiki to see where it comes from.
!wiki
gilded parrotBOT
sage mulch
I don’t know??
rustic imp
I got 20 candles with the pass.
sage mulch
I can’t give you them, but I’ll give you a hug. 
rustic imp
There are eight bunches right?
Wait nvm
I forgot I read that there were eight whoops
lusty light
There is 8
agile summit
i got 30 when getting the pass
rustic imp
spring cloak
Man everyone is getting more than me
agile summit
something be wack
lusty light
Did you get the single pass or the double pass?
agile summit
the single
lusty light
Wth!!
agile summit
tardy dove
oh what
atomic trail
I have 35, include bunches and daily
atomic trail
oh, you right… 20+12+5=37
why 35
agile summit
i got the pass today, the individual pass, and it gave me 30 candles
also 3 of my quests say its locked
lusty light
The game is treating us all unfairly
People are getting more candles than they should and people are getting less than
rustic imp
Welp beta doing beta bugs
lusty light
rustic imp
But pls fix soon
lusty light
In any other situation I would not care and also it is beta
But
I really want my cape
rustic imp
Same. Just found vault and that’s the cape I want
lusty light
I did get cool hair though.
rustic imp
lusty light
I’m doing mental calculations for when it hits live
I need 42 candles to get the cape (I already have the emotes) so it would take me 4 days to get it
And I’m kind of,... inclined to just buy 30 candles lol
If I buy 15 I’ll be one short
spark lance
I’m in vault and there’s literally not a single player here 😥
rustic imp
Yeah it’s hard to find friends in beta
agile summit
beta is a ghost town compared to live
rustic imp
There’s some people in #beta-looking-for-group looking for help
lusty light
15k players vs 1m players
sly quartz
Those 15k don’t even log in daily.
lusty light
Don’t call me out
spark lance
Thanks all 😘
sly quartz
Btw, quick q, where is this returning spirit thing everyone’s talking about?
rustic imp
It’s in the middle of the pond at home
It’s located in isle of I misunderstood your question XD
lusty light
I didn’t think about ppl who already didn’t have the spirit
How would you know there’s a spirit there? Is there any kind of hint
lusty light
Oh good
rustic imp
But it doesn’t say which level either
lusty light
I really do enjoy this traveling spirit thing tho
Veterans who couldn’t get a pass can now get the cosmetics they missed out on
And newbies can get old emotes
rustic imp
Pls I want android friends to have party poppers
atomic trail
I went to vault again, but there was 7 bunches
lusty light
One is behind the door
I got that one and I still didn’t get all 12
You gotta get in the room without opening the door
atomic trail
door? ok I'll check
oh, inside door!
lusty light
The pray room door
stoic badger
They’re asking a loooot of normal candles just for a candy corn hat
median idol
i come for spoilers of new season
stoic badger
It snowy. yuuuuge spoilers
proven trout
thats the ice cream cone hat
go, spend 25 candles to be an ice cream cone. its worth it.
proven trout
the ice cream cone hat is a gratitude item
not very new haha but spoilery definitely
median idol
is it like mask not hair thing
stoic badger
Are they asking 50 for the mask?
lusty light
Yeah it’s 50 for the mask only
stoic badger
YIKES
lusty light
I mean, it is a premium item that you paid real money obtain to begin with
stoic badger
Their perception of the economy has consistently been... off the mark
But you paid $10 for a bunch of items
spring cloak
4 days of farming isn't too bad
proven trout
meh i think its a fine price
stoic badger
Theyre asking you to pay something like $15 for one item if you dont want to spend 6 hours farming
stoic badger
If you want 15 candles id argue it takes an hour
lilac bane
r all the masks going to be available at that amount? xd
lusty light
These are premium items
It wouldn’t be fair to people who spent money for someone to get the same thing they did very easily
lilac bane
thats true
stoic badger
Id say the way you could argue fairness is rather relative
Whats the point of offering older items if they’re this inaccessible?
lilac bane
i mean, farming beforehand
lusty light
Getting the items aren’t supposed to be easily accessible
stoic badger
It doesnt have to be easy, but it doesnt also have to be this hard
lusty light
Veteran players would be able to get them easily while newbies would only be able to get the emotes until the next time the spirit shows up, which I think is fair
stoic badger
No-one who got the season pass worked that hard for those items
lusty light
Yeah because they paid money
exotic gorge
Where is this capeless cape store
lusty light
It’s in the whale voice
exotic gorge
I I’m at end of eden there is nothin here
exotic gorge
Where is it
atomic trail
I found seraph! now I have 36.5
lusty light
Whale voice