me!
#beta-discussion
tardy thunder
spark lance
Yesss
torn gust
yes!
spark lance
I can't wait!!!
slow stirrup
again, hopefully theyll find a good balance for everyone, but id rather them be overly conservative on this one since it has real world effect on people with any sort of light sensitivity
spark lance
Have you seen the preview of it when you're in Forest?
slow stirrup
yeah, im curious about what the emote this spirit will give out is, i dont think theres been a preview
tardy dove
99% sure its head pat
slow stirrup
maybe its a friend interaction?
tawny prairie
tbh my eyes get more sensitive with the areas that are very very dark, since you can’t focus anywhere
spark lance
Wait, I'll check for a preview again. BRB
tardy dove
if you click on it on the tree it tells you that you have to get it from the spirit
torn gust
was it previewed? I hadnt seen it yet
slow stirrup
ah yeah, its probably pats then
spark lance
Tbh, I was constantly getting harassed with the firework spamming, so I don’t really mind the new feature. I do enjoy using fireworks, but the constant spamming was getting a little out of hand :p
tawny prairie
the new areas before they added more light was a bit much
lusty light
I think it’s supposed to be head pat
tawny prairie
the spamming in home was a little nuts lol, hated the sound. it did make photos pretty but I’m kinda meh about it
spark lance
Yeah the darkness in the valley maze surprised me
lusty light
In forest
spark lance
Head pat
That’s awesome lol
Oddly enough the spirit light helped with navigation though
slow stirrup
every kid deserves a head pat
spark lance
Aww, I can't get in the cave. Thought it would put me back there but forgot I went somewhere else in between.
slow stirrup
ill be curious about how itll look when people are wildly different heights lol
rich tundra
Okay so I have a question on a post I’d like to share in the #sky-memes channel. Since the new cosmetics are shown as a preview within the news channel, would I still have to spoiler?
blazing sail
I’m actually pretty amazed that Sky doesn’t give me motion sickness. I got it almost immediately from Journey on iOS, and so many 3D games give me it. All these hours in Sky and never had a problem. I wish I knew why and I wish other devs (even TGC) could learn from it.
rich tundra
Or would it not matter
spark lance
Especially in Flower
slow stirrup
you cant talk about specifics from beta, only about things seen in the promo pic
spark lance
@rich tundra good question. Let's see what the mods say.
hybrid wedge
@rich tundra talking about specifics you know from the game would be a spoiler
spark lance
Yea though, with the flying you would’ve thought
rich tundra
They’re pictures, no detail added in
blazing sail
It’s really surprising. Even when the camera does its own thing and spins around, it’s annoying but doesn’t make me sick
slow stirrup
you could say “oh hey, beard” but not “this beard comes attached to the mask”
hybrid wedge
When people are speculating on something I know about with certainty, I tend to just post vaguely and let them continue to speculate
spark lance
Yea! It’s really weird
rich tundra
Alright
spark lance
I never get motion sickness
blazing sail
I wish someone with more understanding of the causes of motion sickness in games could study it bc it’s pretty remarkable to me.
hybrid wedge
Some people are doing what they can to avoid spoilers, so, 
tawny prairie
yes I was surprised this game didn’t make me nauseous. can give me headaches but no stomach stuff lol
spark lance
I've heard that being able to see a horizon makes a difference with motion sickeness.
tawny prairie
tbh sometimes it’s just your head just had a sudden trigger of “I’m falling” and you can get weirdly sick
unborn comet
,'0 omg whats this discussion abt suddenly im interested
brazen flicker
There hasn’t been an update confirming which items will be cosmetics, so even if it’s in the promo pic it would be a spoiler to show your skykid wearing it. If that makes sense 😁
tawny prairie
have had those issues with jumping/falling in other games
blazing sail
I also was bummed that Journey makes me sick, since I figured it would be like Sky.
slow stirrup
i got nauseous a few times back when people were using table glitch to zoom wildly around home, and on e during piggyback spiral glitch, but overall, yeah, it hasnt been bad
blazing sail
But maybe the vast open desert is the problem?
Oh there was a weird camera bug in the new forest where it was zooming in and out on its own.
rich tundra
I might still spoiler, for those who want to experience the cosmetics in-game lol
blazing sail
One of the staircases
slow stirrup
as long as it isnt a screencap from beta you should be fine
rich tundra
Alright just making sure!
unborn comet
oh man;;
the bug was makin some of yall sick or somthin?
spark lance
@rich tundra It's like when in doubt, spoiler.
hybrid wedge
Text or pictures, confirmation of beta content should stay out of non-beta areas 
Even spoiler tags. People are used to those being for Eden
spark lance
LOL what happens in beta, stays in beta
rich tundra
I wanted to double-check here so I don’t make a mistake
hybrid wedge
Which is awesome. Thank you Lucid!
spark lance
Good point, Nagati. People will think it's about Eden.
spark lance
Beta update!
tardy thunder
really?
spark lance
tardy thunder
i see
shut aurora
Just did wasteland spirit by myself after the second try! Super proud of myself cause I didn't get hit by a krill once
exotic atlas
congrats!!!
timber ridge
Unpopular opinion here:
I haven´t said anything until now, but I guess it is about time. I´ve read many musicians complaining about people spamcalling next to them, throwing fireworks... In my case, while I enjoy linstening to some nice piece from time to time I don´t particularly need listening to people practicing their music everywhere I go. It totally breaks the ambience and atmosphere of the game, but I accept it as it is, because it is a social game, where people with different interests have to interact with each other on a daily basis.
And I understand fireworks are annoying at home because they are loud and prevent you from seeing the constellaction. Maybe they could be limited or even banned in the home space or in confined spaces, but the same way I can move away from the musicians if I don´t feel like hearing the same song for the 100th time, people can easily move away from firework parties (which I haven´t really witnessed aside from home).
Or an option to mute fireworks and musicians could be implemented, so everyone is happy.
A tribute to my firework staff about to become useless in the link below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/dx1qe0/before_my_fireworks_staff_becomes_useless_here_is/
lusty light
It’s not just the sound aspect but the flashing lights can trigger migraines and seizures in people which is much more serious
A cool down is necessary, but maybe the cool down we have is excessive
sage mulch
Constant fireworks also cause rather unsightly graphical glitching.
spark lance
^
blazing sail
I think settings to turn things off would be great if they’re trying to make the game more accessible. I’m not sure what’s possible, but I’ve been wondering for a long time why there aren’t music/sound options in general. The only way you can shut the music is by listening to your own music.
timber ridge
I understand 100% the issue here, I just wanted to play devil´s advocate here to show a different point of view people could also adhere to.
spark lance
I'd really love to listen to just the sound effects at times
Without the "voices"/calls too
timber ridge
Also letting musicians choose between practicing publicly or in a sort of bubble just for them.
spark lance
^Would definitely make recordings easer for those who want to do so
blazing sail
In also think the annoying calls that turn the screen black should have been a priority before the fireworks but 🤷♀️
hybrid wedge
One problem is that right now, musicians only have the option of practicing publicly. There are no real private spaces. 
spark lance
Oh that too
sage mulch
I don’t mind seeing a couple fireworks set off at a time, but just constant spamming can get very irritating, very quickly. Always be mindful of the people around you.
spark lance
Yeah
exotic atlas
My device really can't handle Sky as it is and the fireworks spamming really pushes it over the edge
sage mulch
Yeah, I’d love to mess around on instruments privately. I’m just too shy to play them out in public.
torn gust
the spam calls could be an issue that theyre working on as well, but fireworks was easier to find a solution to so it got implemented first maybe?
blazing sail
I also like the idea of limiting fireworks at Home but making it more spammable in some other areas
spark lance
There was a time where my friend was with another group of friends and everyone was spamming fireworks. I could hear it across the room (we were playing simultaneously, but not in the same server so we were essentially in different groups) and while she said it was fun it was also causing her phone to lag hard
torn gust
the spam calls can be annoying though, I do agree
timber ridge
And believe me I´ve had a lot of fun with musicians before, but there might be some time I would like to experience the initial game experience again. The other day @arctic pecan was playing "Can´t help falling in love" in the new area in valley while we were being attacked by the giants crabs and it was hilarious.
blazing sail
Like if you’re somewhere quiet and not bothering anyone
spark lance
^That could...maybe work
Or maybe like...a special place specifically for them
Like, night sky, fireworks show style?
Even better (though this might be a long shot) combine it with music to make a legit fireworks show experience anyone can contribute to and watch
timber ridge
In my case, I love throwing fireworks from time to time from high places. I like to imagine someone appreciating them from afar (but maybe not :/ )
spark lance
Yeah I was playing around with them in Home, on the area on top of the outfit shrines
brazen flicker
@pastel jolt hi! We can talk about beta stuff here. You said you can’t access the menu?
pastel jolt
Yea
timber ridge
I also spammed fireworks at home at the beginning, but stopped when I saw I couldn´t see the constellations. Also, I stop whenever I see musicians becaus I know they´re distracting.
pastel jolt
It's not showing up
timber ridge
They should add a sound studio like the office where they could practice their music and do the "Mariah Carey hands" movement (<--- I want that emote)
brazen flicker
If your menu isn’t appearing, it would be really helpful if you could submit a bug report!
As for fixes, have you tried restarting your app and/or device? Making sure your game has the most recent update?
keen turtle
I'm upset, I was so close to getting the wasteland spirit and I timed out just as i was on the way to the end...
pastel jolt
It might work in the knew update tho I'ma look now
exotic atlas
do you mean the emote menu or the seasonal constellation?
pastel jolt
And that sucks angel rip : p
keen turtle
hybrid wedge
That happened to me a couple times too
pastel jolt
Constellation
hybrid wedge
timber ridge
Maybe someone could go with you? It´s way easier
hybrid wedge
It got easier once I had a couple people helping me
timber ridge
Yeah
keen turtle
Anyone able to join me 😅
spark lance
what new on beta now ?
brazen flicker
@pastel jolt if the update doesn’t fix it, try scrolling left or right in the menu (like to the next constellation) and then going back. That usually fixes constellation visibility issues for me!
ebon vector
Bless the afro-chibi who was Krill bait while I got my Android kid through the Wasteland spirit.
brazen flicker
I haven’t tried with the new update yet. Usually it’s a very temporary bug for me and scrolling through the constellations fixes it
exotic atlas
hmmm i haven't has any issues pulling it up in ios beta
pastel jolt
Not for me
exotic atlas
have you tried refreshing the app?
pastel jolt
Yes
exotic atlas
hmmmm are you in the ios beta or android beta? i haven't had any trouble bringing it up but maybe it's an android issue?
pastel jolt
iOS beta
vapid briar
The fireworks staff changes feedback would be great in #beta-feedback 👀
pastel jolt
Mabey it will work if I wait for everything to install
brazen flicker
Ah, that might be it
rich wolf
I wish the notes on the guitar were slightly different
tardy dove
in what way ? :0
pastel jolt
I hope it will work
rich wolf
idk if all the notes I'm thinking of a song are doable
I can play
Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer
The First Noel
Silent Night
but can it play "Discovery"?
Hey Ktjn.. if we send TGC musical instruments in the mail... are they more likely to be added to the game?
brazen flicker
@pastel jolt please keep beta content out of the regular channels 
The forest seasonal spirit hasn’t been released yet.
exotic atlas
skaodsfjo someone just helped me out with the wasteland seasonal!!!!
I don't know if you're here but thank you very much player with the hair with the bow!
they attracted the krills attention ahead of time the entire way and it's just,,,,
thank you!!!!
brazen flicker
Sky teamwork is so wholesome 
exotic atlas
we got split when i went to light the spirit though so i didn't get a chance to friend them!
the final cutscene put me on a different server i think? and i got separated from them
weak marsh
My game is crashing a couple seconds after login, using iOS 12.4. Anyone else experiencing this?
rich wolf
BTW for the more music savvy: https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/rush/2112-iii-discovery-tabs-81549
this will give u what notes to play
season of belonging aka Coco
tall sigil
Wait so is the heart twice the amount right now?
brazen flicker
I think so, naru
tall sigil
Okie will try xD thank you
spark lance
I just play the latest beta
The graphics are pixels
Is that normal?
And i got flashy scences which it not supposed to be
spark lance
Clear the cache in play store
spark lance
Refer #beta-discussion-android
keen turtle
Anyone free that can help me with the wastelands spirit? I cant seem to be able to get it...
hoary zodiac
I did all those but still nah
shrewd plover
My only issue so far is that water seems to have a glitch-like effect, and cloud rendering is choppy
So far I haven't had much else going on
spark lance
@keen turtle If you want I can be the krill/crab bait
keen turtle
Well @brazen flicker offered to help, but you can join us @spark lance
spark lance
Are you guys doing it currently?
brazen flicker
I’m having issues with my app 😭 so if Axiom can help, that might be faster
spark lance
Okay
brazen flicker
It’s trying to install the update, but is frozen.
I’ll warp to you as soon as I can get it working
keen turtle
Oh no! Hopefully it'll work soon
spark lance
Agreed!
keen turtle
Random stranger appeared and is trying it
hoary zodiac
Mine is still Item Not Found
Despite according to yall its fixed
Cache has been cleared
kind cedar
Fixed on mine too, just says it's currently full.
spark lance
lol i'm lost
what is this guy bring me to? lol
Oh someone else here is trying ot
I should go help
icy igloo
Guys why does it say when u become the tester and i press the link to download it says item not found
Help
I want to play
Ive been waiting for 4 months
exotic atlas
!notfound
gilded parrotBOT
If you're getting the Item Not Found message, make sure the Google Play app itself is up to date. if it is up to date, try clearing the Google Play cache and restarting your phone by turning it completely off and back on.
If you have multiple Google accounts try toggling between them and make sure you're viewing from the Google Play account that was accepted into the Beta.
If none of the above works, type "google play item not found" into whatever search engine you use and try the troubleshooting steps suggested by numerous sources. If you find something that works, it would be awesome if you could report back to the folks here. It's a known issue for many games in the Play store, not just Sky.
radiant drum
Not found issue has nothing to do with compatibility
If your device is incompatible it will say so when you’re able to see the app page
If troubleshooting doesn’t work unfortunately you just have to wait and try again later
hoary zodiac
I have done EVERYTHING I could atm and it still wont budge
It went to the location lock thing earlier
But when I cleared cache it went back to not found
Im the big sad atm
icy igloo
I cant send pics
Also it did say not compatible with this version
Is samsung j7 pro incompatible?
And i cant find the sky children of light (early access)
Soooo im sad
minor summit
god, I can found the app page, but is already fullಥ_ಥ so sad
brazen flicker
They might add more android beta slots. Keep an eye out
hardy pewter
@icy igloo 
hybrid terrace
Oof, just finished Wasteland spirit. Very nerve-wracking, but possible. Just have to do your best not to panic.
icy igloo
?
hardy pewter
"And i cant find the sky children of light (early access)"
About it.
icy igloo
What?
Oh that i think its because i am not compatible
I cant find the sky children of light app also the early access version
stoic ocean
Quick question- I need to add in a movie to my bug report after the fact- where is the best place for that?
Nm- posted in beta group on FB
hollow compass
Question: did anyone notice the "giving day" extras? When it was announced I had already accepted all light and given them to my friends, so I have no idea if it was in place already and I can't test it again either.
vapid drum
It was there , I’ve gotten the double amount of hearts and particles
stoic ocean
I was just going to post the same feed back about the FB group saying they will get a hoodie @hollow compass
spark lance
thee theeee theeee hair bowwwwww 😭
hollow compass
@vapid drum Oh, good! I wonder if I got it and just didn't notice, or if it wasn't in place right after reset...
spark lance
I want thattt hairboww in my lifeeee
hollow compass
@stoic ocean I'm sitting on my hands sometimes when reading the FB group. But I don't want to come across as this know-it-all negative person. I hope someone tells them.
stoic ocean
I’m debating it- but I also know things can and do change between now and live. Forget it- I’ll just go tell them not to get their hopes up.
stoic ocean
Did it. 😭
The hoodie has moved to seasonal chat and screenshots too. I dont have the heart to do it again.
limber bone
they added a hoodie?
gaunt oak
13 min till next spirt so stop cry babies about wasteland spirit!
fresh quiver
As of now, there is no hoodie in beta, the forest spirit has ear muffs
stoic ocean
The pic is supposed to be of grandma- but she doesn’t have a hood
limber bone
ear muffs? :00000
gaunt oak
No hood!
limber bone
can u show me a pic?
gaunt oak
10 min
tardy thunder
3 minutes
waxen nexus
stoic badger
Oh wow the new forest clearing changes are nice
hollow compass
oh, no, lots of terrain errors now that they redid the sunny glade
darkness hidden inside the grass
stoic badger
OH WHOA THEY UPDATED THE CAVE
hollow bridge
God what they did to the forest ...
hollow compass
and the darkness that is now hanging above a hole in the ground is unburnable
sigh
you can do better than this, TGC
stoic badger
hmmmm?
hollow compass
and here I am, waiting for someone else to come around and stomp on the entrance to the new area in Forest
why have 2-person doors for new areas?
tardy thunder
here i am, losing my mind since the spirit needs 2 people to effectively acquire it and screaming at the door
hollow bridge
disfigured forest...
hollow compass
you're eager to test out the new things and then immediately you're stopped because there is a barrier you need more people for, but beta is...empty-ish
tardy thunder
ugh i need another person ;-;
hollow compass
so.much.fun.waiting.
tough grotto
the past new location was so beautiful and now it's just 💩
It's my opinion
And opinions of my friends
(╥_╥)
hollow compass
do you mean you don't like how they redesigned it?
spark lance
Wait what happened with the cave? I didn't notice anything different when I went in this time around
tardy thunder
good news, the other instrument can be for non-pass players!
safe swan
yay
tardy thunder
the earmuffs, however, are
hollow compass
I have only seen photos so far, but I understand they redesigned the new are in Forest
the sunny glade before it is different
and I just went through a tiny hole and oob...this morning is starting out great
tardy thunder
ugh finally, 1 more day until i have my look
hollow compass
20 minutes later and I'm still unable to get inside Forest new area
tardy thunder
rip ;-;
wait for a friend and drag them there because you need 2 people to do the spirit w/out losing sanity
hollow compass
this is so disappointing
tardy thunder
unfortunately 😔
hollow compass
I can see that a few of my friends are online, but they are "in a place where I can't reach them", which is most probably inside the Forest cave
the irony
spark lance
@hollow compass I can take you
stoic ocean
Maybe pop back home and go again nim
safe swan
is it about the underground area?
hollow compass
😱
safe swan
cause if so then
hollow compass
ah "holes filled in"!!!
safe swan
imma be rooting for it
hollow compass
man, I've been testing for too long, I'm failing it now
limpid herald
Forest spirit release yay
hollow compass
and I always check for updates when I get up in the morning, so I don't know how I managed to miss this one
stoic badger
Does anyone know if they updated any other level areas?
hollow compass
so, one of the darknesses that was hanging in the air has been fixed, but not the other and the one inside the grass is still there
but the oob hole in the entrance to new area is gone
safe swan
yay
stoic ocean
It should start in the very first room with the butterflies
hollow compass
I think I must have arrived just as someone else had activated it, because I could see that sparkle trail
ok, I seem to have finished it now
hollow compass
that was...???
stoic ocean
Odd
hollow compass
clearly, I need to replay this area, because I have no idea where I am or where to go
it's very foggy
I suspect finding seasonal candles will be frustrating
stoic ocean
Yeah, I didn’t get to@follow the spirit story at all. There were 4 of us doing the spirit at once and they were all faster than me.
hollow compass
I was doing it with a chibi and I think at one point they fell off and lost wing power
stoic ocean
Aw
hollow compass
but when I suddenly got to the end, they were teleported there
I think?
so...er, what is this spirit's emote, a friendship one?
blazing sail
Foggy? Did they change the new forest area?
proud coral
Does anyone have video of the head pat?
hollow compass
@blazing sail not sure, but it was very yellowish foggy and hard to navigate earlier also
when you reach the top it was almost impossible to see the exit
stoic badger
@blazing sail mhmm
stoic ocean
I can get one I think
blazing sail
🙂
stoic ocean
Ok let me edit out the irrelevant stuff
atomic trail
hi, my beta item chart is completed.
Where should I put this? And do I need to add "spoiler"?
spark lance
8 person vault anyone?
dusky heath
beta?
spark lance
yeap
dusky heath
coming
brazen flicker
Hi @atomic trail 
if it’s an image, you can post it in #beta-screenshots-videos
And adding spoiler tags is always good if you think it might contain some spoiler content 😊 thank you for asking!
vestal linden
where’s the wasteland spirit located?
tardy thunder
crabob
vestal linden
d(owo
tardy thunder
_ _)"
arctic pecan
good luck tho you’ll need someone to come with you
atomic trail
@brazen flicker Thanks! I'll put without spoiler.
arctic pecan
or if lucky enough have someone waiting for you to start on your quest !
hoary zodiac
Can the bug get fixed pls? Oml
arctic pecan
which bug Hakudatsu ?
hoary zodiac
Well not really a bug but the not found thing is really getting to my nerves
Sorry if it sounds too whiny
tardy dove
i think it was said before item not found is in their power to fix?
tardy thunder
aight, i just need to fully complete 14 days of the season with the pass to get my final look, and i'll be happy xD
brazen flicker
Yeah, it’s an issue with google, not tgc
spark lance
it's getting creepy here
arctic pecan
what do you mean?
spark lance
after the valley of triumph I'm entering another map
and creepy sounds with monster roaring
lmao and I'm flying alone
arctic pecan
Oh !!
spark lance
check beta screenshots
arctic pecan
Eheh safe travels there !
spark lance
lmao i'm lost
hollow compass
tap yourself to see the direction
spark lance
geez so creepy I'm gonna get outta here soon
hollow compass
if it's your first playthrough, I'm afraid you will have to brave it
spark lance
well, at least I have someone here playing a mini concert in the storm
hollow compass
when music calls you, you must answer
spark lance
that... I need love to get an instrument and answer
safe swan
Time flies by in the yellow and green stick around and you’ll see what I mean
there’s a mountain top that I’m dreaming of if you need me you know we’re I’ll be
tardy thunder
oof
arctic pecan
spark lance
what the h was that lmao
tall sigil
Ohhh can anyone show me a ss of what the forest emote looks like?
Unfortunately can't log in atm
rancid portal
spark lance
opff stupid monster
tardy thunder
the krill, i presume?
spark lance
my wings all gone.. anyway to retrieve it
like four stars
so that's the krill
how am I going to get pass the krill
round maple
typically, if you wait for the krill to pass by, you'll have enough time to make it to the next point.
hollow compass
you will have to recollect them
spark lance
ok
round maple
the wing spirits re-appear throughout the worlds when you lose wings. though it's hard to know which ones will reappear
spark lance
means i have to go to them again?
round maple
yep
spark lance
oh man...
hollow compass
it's the nature of the game: the circle of life
vestal linden
aaaa the guitar sounds so good! <w<<
spark lance
3 more krills?
safe swan
octaves
spark lance
nooo...
spark lance
i just have one star
safe swan
just doing memes
spark lance
can i just get outta here?
hollow compass
yes, you can choose to go home and try to collect more stars/wing power
maybe replay some of the previuos levels a little first
but in order to "complete" the game you need to go through all areas once
spark lance
thats what i'm trying to do b4 getting into the bugs
didn't expect the krills that nasty
arctic pecan
Hmm if you’re at the areas with three krill’s
you can check the pinned message on #questions-and-help
there’s this map displaying the movements of the krills
and also the whereabouts of the dark plants and shiny bois
( Hmm now that i think about it.... we need to update the map soon for Boneyard )
@spark lance
since there’s the new crab pit and some stuffs i never seen before
kind briar
i thought they "heard the feedback on the completion rate from last season" and had "adjusted candle costs for this season to be a little more forgiving", but seeing that you need even more candles to complete this entire season (two candles, but two that will make you lose a cosmetic or a heart or even the ultimate reward), apparently they didn't
torn gust
I dont believe we know how long the season will last for, so we may have more leeway despite the required candle amount
safe swan
so it's even more of a problem due to glitches
atomic trail
The candle boost in beta may be adopted in the live version.
spark lance
so the piranha at the krills
torn gust
i think they said that the candle boost wont make it to live (it is nice though isnt it LOL)
spark lance
is a crab?
safe swan
wew
torn gust
but atm youre able to complete a whole spirit tree in like 3 days
Yeah those are crabs!
arctic pecan
torn gust
these guys 😄
safe swan
well im liking the possibility
atomic trail
spark lance
horrible crab i just got a bite from em and i'm dead
safe swan
torn gust
same skymii
safe swan
torn gust
wasteland is tough your first time, especially alone!
safe swan
there
torn gust
If you want you can try asking for a buddy to help you out in #beta-looking-for-group
but also it does help to take your time and observe!
Youll need those observation skills in future levels
safe swan
so we need this for the seasonals?
torn gust
keep your eyes and ears peeled!
safe swan
like a banana
torn gust
need what, dozen?
safe swan
nevermind
but its nice just to see what you guys are doing
might think that you guys are lucky in a good and bad way
odd depot
Where is the spirit in forest located? 👀
arctic pecan
in the new area, at sunny forest !
spark lance
When will release iOS new beta testers
odd depot
aww sweet cheese crackers.no one's ever in that area when I go lol
Cant break to entrqnce
peak oyster
Huh I noticed I can jump with an umbrella now
golden pilot
I've been on the tester program for a while now never actually got to install the game due to "item not found error in the play store" is there any slots opening up any time soon?
stoic badger
@golden pilot Not for iOS, Android got more spaces this morning though
stoic badger
Sadly not, keep an eye on #beta-announcements
blazing sail
Was just thinking... I wonder if Grandma was introduced as a recurring character. I would love to see some benefit for past pass holders for future seasons
Like, if it was cheaper each season you have a pass to get the ultimate gift
safe swan
then that would be awesome
blazing sail
It’s already pretty costly to keep buying the pass every couple of months.
safe swan
but it's not a bad idea
blazing sail
So it would be cool if like... after having the pass three times, you could skip it and still get the ultimate gift
stoic badger
Its pretty cheap if you share it with friends, which is what ive done
safe swan
like you get the pass for that season and once it's introduced again you still have the pass for it
stoic badger
I take it in turns between two other friends to buy it
blazing sail
Yeah i shared the first season with friends so one of them shared with me
safe swan
exactly
blazing sail
But I haven’t tried actually making a plan with friends to split it
stoic badger
If you split it, it works out at £30/y per person
safe swan
even if it's shared it still counts
stoic badger
which is pretty cheap
blazing sail
Seems a bit bold to assume all three of us would still be active in 4-5 mos.
stoic badger
Plus, other season passes demand more time commitment in order to nudge you into buying extra levels
safe swan
well thats costly
stoic badger
@blazing sail Agreed, one of my three season pass friends stopped playing until there’s an AppleTV version X)
blazing sail
What was nice with the first pass was that I bought it mainly to share with a friend who helped me out a lot in wasteland and Eden
And then the other friend I gave it to wanted to buy it for me, and he gave the other one to a mutual friend who was also very helpful
safe swan
gtg
blazing sail
I kinda wanna make a plan with friends this time but then you have to decide who pays first, as they also get those extra candles
And have to assume all three will be around long enough to benefit
stoic badger
20 candles isnt much in the grand scheme of things
blazing sail
It’s like 4 days of extra grinding
I feel like everyone paying $5 makes the most sense in case anyone disappears after a season or 2. But who would get the extras?
stoic badger
I feel like if youd want to guarantee those extras, maybe don’t share with others, there’s just no guarantee X)
blazing sail
Yeah just makes things more complicated
atomic yoke
Ngl
The spirit which have the hood on its head reminds me of a character from assassins creed
pulsar blade
What do we call the last season emote in forest
hollow compass
no, it has an instrument
maybe head pat?
oh, sorry, you meant the lightseeker forest spirit?
pulsar blade
Its the last season emote in the forest just released today
hollow compass
the lightseeker one was a stance
celest yarrow
🌞 Good Morning Skysapians HappyHappy Sassy Saturday😊 Hope y'all have a Spectacular Day Lots of 🤍❤🧡💛💚💙💜💖🖤 & 🕯🕯
to all 
golden fjord
Dang. I don’t know what happened then
pulsar blade
You accidentally click maybe stop testing
golden fjord
Nope
pulsar blade
143115 is latest build
golden fjord
Yeah I’m still on previous version
blazing sail
I just noticed the orbs that come off from the seasonal candles have the season’s symbol on them
Has it always been like that?
How did I melt 1 darkness before I even went anywhere with darkness to melt?
How do I have a half candle after grabbing all 8 candles?
Anyone wanna come and let me recharge them?
pallid badger
Wait. I’m on 054 not 115 too. 🤔
blazing sail
Booooon can I charge you?
Lol I mean Booooon
Can’t figure out how I have a half candle. Don’t the 8 candles give 12 total?
pallid badger
Oh it’s ok. I just updated. Was trying to join you but couldn’t join anyone. Was on previous build. 😁 I’ll be right there app
spark lance
Apologies for being late to the party but a very good morning to you as well @celest yarrow! ❤️ 🧡 💛 💚 
💙 💜 I hope you have an amazing day full of light! 
celest yarrow
@spark lanceThank you bunches and ditto!🤗
spark lance
celest yarrow
Off to send light and hearts! And get the emotes from the sky race! HOPEFULLY...LOL!🤪
spark lance
You can do it!!
celest yarrow
Don't know if I'm late but there's an update in the play store! (I havent checked my apps since yesterday evening...)
And a discord update
hollow compass
There is no update for Sky in the AppStore, but there is one in TestFlight. Discord does however have one in the AppStore.
sage mulch
I have a dilemma, fellow beta players. On Twitter, the official Sky account uploaded a teaser of the new season. Several live players now believe that there’s a hood in this season, which isn’t true. As a beta player, I wanna keep silent so everything’s a surprise, but as a fellow consumer.. I kinda wanna tell them that there isn’t a hood. I just don’t wanna see someone buy the season for the hood, and then get disappointed that there isn’t one. What should I do?
blazing sail
Anyone wanna help me with forest? I ended up standing there waiting for more people to come and they never showed up
sage mulch
Lol, I’m currently doing the same thing, App.
blazing sail
Why isn’t it merging servers? 😦
sage mulch
I don’t knowww?
terse spindle
Why aren't there many people in the beta game
paper sinew
I have a question
terse spindle
I was waiting for so long for someone to show up
sage mulch
Lol. I’m here, pounding my foot, waiting for someone to show.
The season is currently in beta, yes.
terse spindle
@sage mulch same
paper sinew
But how does everybody get the new season so early
sage mulch
There’s only a couple thousand people in the Sky beta. I don’t know the exact amount.
Have you updated beta?
sage mulch
Which platform are you on?
sage mulch
No. Go to test flight. You can update there.
lusty light
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last adder
They need to tweak the head pat my sky kid is so tall and my friends sky kid is smol we can’t reach each other ☹️
inland bronze
Awe, rip
I think they could probably add a bending down/on tippy toes motion to it for height differences??
That would be cute
rich summit
The head pat specifically works with sky kids who are the same size. So like.. veryyy few of my friends😅
Does anyone know which spirits have the sheet music? I have one from the spirit with the white cape
blazing sail
I think I liked the old forest better
inland bronze
Mmm, for music sheets, I think there's an item chart someone made?? Try checking that?
@rich summit there's another music sheet that you can from the head pat spirit, I think-
atomic trail
@sage mulch
I understand your feelings.
The concept art is fantastic, and many players expect seasonal items.
Some people will be disappointed by there is no hood, but they will love other attractive items.
There is no need to interfere with the expectations of players.（imo)
As an exception, you might want to advice someone who really wants to answer questions about hood.
sage mulch
Yeah, it just hurts to see people get so excited about a cosmetic that isn’t available.
And there are people who were REALLY excited for a hood.
spark lance
Waiting for someone in forest is a problem. I wonder about adventuring there in the future. Also, players who are new enough not to have the required 8 spirits to get into the gate won’t be able to complete the season until they find all the other spirits. I would hate that if I was a new player.
rich summit
Ehh idk I kinda agree with them. It’s known that you can buy what the spirits are wearing. That’s how it is for other spirits. So this season changes that by having multiple spirits wear the same cape or have one appear to wear a hood when that’s not available. I can already see people getting frustrated by purchasing in the shop and realizing they aren’t gonna get what they thought they would
carmine owl
idk it would take you maybe a day to get all the spirits? you have to get going in the game real good before you can do seasonal stuff anyway.
blazing sail
It’s one per week
carmine owl
i came in midway through season of gratitude and got all the standard spirits reasonably fast. seasonal events are longer than a month
blazing sail
Oh you mean the regular ones
blazing sail
The only issue I have with the seasons for new players is they don’t realize what’s going on at first and by the time they do it can be too late to get all the candles they need
That almost happened to me with Gratitude
carmine owl
yeah, like i said, i came in late on gratitude. i dont expect them to adjust it so i can start the season halfway through and still get everything.
blazing sail
I missed candles the first week or so bc I didn’t really know what was happening.
carmine owl
(which, i did not get everything and its a bummer but its not their fault haha)
blazing sail
I think it could definitely be clearer that you’re joining too late to get everything
You can’t even see prices on things until you unlock more items
We’re 3 seasons in (four if you count winter) and they’re still not giving us all the info we need to make an educated decision whether to buy the pass
It involves looking for info elsewhere and that seems wrong
carmine owl
menus (the seasonal spirit item trees) being more transparent is an interesting issue.. i wonder if some people like the surprise but id like to see it all to begin with too honestly.
blazing sail
I don’t think anyone likes the surprise of the prices
I think everyone would like to see prices up front
I just think it needs more transparency before taking people’s money
carmine owl
yeah i think thats fair
blazing sail
I have friends who didn’t realize in Gratitude that they were joining too late to get everything
And since nothing has changed since, that’s bound to keep happening
atomic trail
I think there is nothing wrong with the price opened from the beginning
blazing sail
I’m lucky that I figured things out and bought the pass just in time to get the deer mask or I would have been so upset
I love that thing to death
carmine owl
i missed out on the deer mask! im sad too 🤦 wish i had started earlier than i did when i first saw my friends playing!
blazing sail
I started day 1, but I didn’t really understand what was happening with the whole seasonal thing until I started seeing people wearing the fox mask and I wanted it
sage mulch
Yeah, I kinda didn’t understand at first either. When I got the pass.. I thought I was able to unlock anything with the seasonal symbol for free. 🤦
carmine owl
the guide explains it fairly well. i cant remember if it comes up at the beginning of the season or not but it makes it clear you have to use candles to unlock the items
but it is definitely tucked away. right now i woudlnt know that that was the guide. you can find it on the seasonal constellation in the bottom left corner but its just the seasonal symbol. perhaps the word guide should be on it?
timber ridge
I just helped a newbie around and they really don’t know what’s happening, at all. I reminds me of my beginnings discovering Journey. I totally understand it if they miss almost everything.
Even I get confused unlocking the seasonal items when I see a spirit wearing a cape he is not offering, for example.
carmine owl
i was completely lost on everything when i first started. theres so much to this game and its supposed to be very intuitive so theres not a lot of text guides.
tawny prairie
yes like many newbies ive shown around get very confused about hearts and how there isn’t a definite place to get them after spirits
the spirits with items they wear and not being in their tree in confusing too
timber ridge
In fact, I think almost all of us had to check @blazing sail ‘s guides to get clarity regarding how candles, lights and wing buffs work.
Give him/ her infinite seasonal passes for the excellent work.
carmine owl
yeah their guide was so useful when i first started, esp for the seasonal stuff
spark lance
I was entirely lost when I started. At first I thought that you could choose which candle you wanted to apply your collected light to. I had only seen one or 2 seasonal candles by accident and didn’t notice that they filled a specific candle. I also didn’t buy the pass until I had played for a week or there abouts and because I started playing late into the season I couldn’t possibly collect enough candles to complete the tree. I was really sad to miss out on the deer mask. I figured out all the subtleties of the game by opening chat with a player who had been playing from the beginning.
It also took me a while to understand the guardian and the candles at the gates. I read it either on the Wiki or on AppUnwrapper’s blog.
I also agree that transparency on purchases would be kinder. Unless you know to find someone’s guide with the costs listed you could be disappointed to find out that you weren’t purchasing what you thought you were or were investing in the wrong tree to get what you wanted at the top.
It’s a very unpleasant surprise to learn you invested in the wrong tree when so much time in game is involved in getting what you were striving for. That happened to me a few times too. It increases frustration with the game.
Yeah I have to agree
blazing sail
@timber ridge Haha thanks. I would definitely appreciate that. It gets expensive.
blazing sail
It’s fine when regular things take a while for people to understand, things that don’t have a time limit. But it stings if you miss out on items forever because you were new
I wish they wouldn’t stick to the whole exclusivity thing where they have no plans to bring back seasons
timber ridge
The thing is I know myself and I wouldn´t read a thorough wiki from the game unless strictly necessary. I like the fact of getting lost and discovering the game at my own pace. But yes, maybe a warning stating you have x days to get the seasonal pass if you want to have access to all the items would be greatly appreciated.
In fact, I didn´t get serious about the lightseekers season untill too late and never made it to the ultimate gift.
spark lance
@blazing sail This exactly. It’s unpleasant to make regrettable choices in the regular things but you can always recover with time. The seasonal things are what disenchants me with the game at this point. I’ve played 2 seasons. The first one I missed out due to lateness and lack of understanding. I prevented that last season but then I felt like a slave to the game due to FOMO. That was equally unpleasant. So this season I’m opting out and fading away from the game for a while.
blazing sail
Yeah it’s certainly tempting to ignore it and not get sucked into FOMO
But then I have FOMO
I would have to walk away completely or I’d feel awful about not getting all that stuff
timber ridge
I am lucky i don´t have it. I welcome missing stuff, as it happens irl. The moment you understand perfection is unattainable the easier it gets. Besides, there a lot of items I don´t even like.
blazing sail
If they committed to bringing seasons back, I’d be less worried
spark lance
I love the idea of this game. But I hate being a slave to the game. The only way I can think to get out of the feeling under the current seasonal model is to opt out of the seasonal pass.
blazing sail
But since they’re sticking with exclusivity right now, the FOMO is real
Honestly, if the game let you pick and choose more, I’d also be more relaxed about it
I’m annoyed I have to buy all those spells I’ll never use in order to get other items I do want
spark lance
The other day I was thinking about the seasonal pass and realized that it reminds me of the Costco/Sam’s Club model. Both of those warehouse stores require membership (seasonal pass). And when you pay to obtain rights to the store you are more likely to shop there with more regularity in order to get your money’s worth from the membership. This is the reason I stopped buying memberships there. Not only did I have to buy in bulk, but I couldn’t really just shop for the few things I enjoyed there without paying an annual fee that made it not worth it to only purchase those things I wanted to buy there. Buying the seasonal pass feels the same way to me. I have to grind for candles daily and buy all kinds of cosmetics I don’t want to get the few that I do. Blech.
blazing sail
Especially if you want the ultimate gift
spark lance
Exactly. And last season it was the only thing I really wanted when the season started. By the time I got it I realized that I don’t care about it all that much. However, I will admit, I enjoy taking it to hidden forest and helping random moths out by following them with cover.
stoic badger
mmm, agreed
nocturne hatch
Hello, does anyone know if live google accounts work on android beta? (I tried asking in other channels, but got pretty much ignored. I don’t wanna spam either)
livid ice
Im gonna say I think yes?
nocturne hatch
Oof
livid ice
No wait let me read again
Live and beta are different things
You can’t use what u have in beta in live or the other way around
nocturne hatch
So that means I’d have to redo all my progress?
livid ice
If u mean the progress no ,but u can use ur google account to link the beta and the live
Yep
nocturne hatch
As in, getting through all the lands and all?
livid ice
I think We all had to do it too after live was released the first beta testers had to do everything again
And yeah that
livid ice
Of course :”3
Okay so my question is ...... What is the campfire ???? Is not a table right? :”0 I wanna know what is it for so I decide if I’m gonna get a table(? Or get the campfire
nocturne hatch
Tbh idk
livid ice
:/
storm flicker
Anyone know where the spirit is today??
blazing sail
Anyone else end up with half a candle today? I. Can’t figure out what’s going on bc I collected all 8
storm flicker
@blazing sail nope got all of mine
blazing sail
Blargh
storm flicker
Maybe you missed one from the prior day
blazing sail
I triple checked both days
storm flicker
Hmm 🧐.
blazing sail
And yesterday I didn’t have a half
So
Ugh
I dunno
I took photos the last few days so I know I got them all
spark lance
Nooooo i just get pass the krills and it crashed
blazing sail
And today I triple checked and counted and still stuck with half a candle
spark lance
Now i have to start over again
rich wolf
why are the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quests locked?
radiant drum
Try restarting you game and check the spirit again
hybrid wedge
@livid ice The campfire was explained a little bit in one of the #beta-announcements posts, but no, it is not a table
livid ice
Thank youuu:”3
timber ridge
@blazing sail sometimes I miss candles when I press the forging candle button while crossing to different areas/ servers. They simply vanish.
tawny prairie
didn’t have this issue in beta but have had issues with not getting my candles in live. says I collected it but the counter never goes up 🤷🏽♀️ if that happened with a seasonal candles I’d be annoyed tho lol
honest frigate
Where is the new cave area?
spark lance
You'll find it in the Forest
@tawny prairie You might want to create a live bug report for that issue.
hybrid wedge
Slightly more specific hint, if you want it: ||look for the entrance in the sunny clearing||
next hazel
Where is the seasonal spirit at daylight prairie?
tawny prairie
It happened a while ago, so I’m sure making a report about it now would help. I usually report valley issues
hybrid terrace
@next hazel She's sitting on top of the dome
rich summit
What’s the ukulele lookin thing called?
hybrid wedge
I heard someone calling it a cittern?
strong haven
So based on what you guys have seen so far.. what would your guess be for release? I’m sure before Thanksgiving (last Thursday of this month) so they can let their team go on vacation and why not.. but how developed and/or complete does it seem? Need another week or two?
spark lance
I feel it's very hard to speculate about a release date.
hollow compass
I would say we definitely need another week. But I have a feeling there is already an internal deadline that they are working against.
And knowing the game and seasons from before, it’s bound to not work properly from start anyway. So I don’t know about that vacation... 😉
gaunt oak
Beta seems quite stable
hollow compass
It generally does because there are fewer players.
tawny prairie
I think most of the issues are from wasteland spirit and people’s opinions on the cosmetics
no big issues I see? other than the new areas being very dark but that was fixed
And tbh, I don’t see them changing any cosmetics or changing the wasteland spirit for the live community sooo it could be sooner than we think? (Unless the new event testing goes wrong with the double hearts)
timber ridge
It runs pretty smoothly in general, what´s the concern about the wasteland spirit?
tardy dove
I think most people didn’t like the path the spirit took? and some people would end up having the spirit time out probably because of having to avoid crabs or dodge the krills.
timber ridge
I guess I got lucky I was able to do it with another person. I can understand people being confused with the random walk, but I´m not complaining because the alternative (to cross to the other side of the boneyard o r to some higher point) could be way worse.
shrewd plover
That just gives me vibes from MH4U when hecking Konchu would bap you out of nowhere right into the path of a monster
timber ridge
MH4U? Mortal Komb? No, Kingdom He? No... I give up 😂
shrewd plover
okay, KH too XD;;
mortal crown
Hey! Could someone please drop me a hint as to where the forest spirit is?
arctic pecan
^u^
at the Sunny Forest's new area!
main tendon
So
I just met the kindest stranger of all time?
He was flying by and saw me searching for spirits
Then he became my friend
He held my hand and helped me get all the spirits
And in the end he gave me the season pass
My heart just melted
sage solstice
hello all! i was wondering if there were season candles to collect outside of the quest giver and where they might be
blazing sail
The season pass? In beta you get it for free.
timber ridge
Do my friends in beta get added to my friends in live? I guess I´ll have to meet you all again out there.
torn gust
They dont! you gotta recollect them all
timber ridge
I didn´t have more candles, btw. I always spend them unlocking chat with Japanese or Chinese skykids I can´t chat with because I speak neither Japanese nor Chinese lol. I guess it´s my fate.
pallid badger
You can find the ones on here though and ping them a live QR. Save the candles. 😂
timber ridge
Yeah, I like wasting candles, as you already know.
pallid badger
I’ll drag you through on a candle run. Don’t worry. 😂
stoic badger
@pallid badger So the game's objectives and it's progress meters are prominent and tied into basically grinding candles, or when a season is out hitting those quests. And i find it puts my brain in a very task-orientated state when the game's design philosophy is very "experience-orientated".
And compounding that is the fact that there's not much to interact with or poke at the environment or other players with, unless you spend candles to unlock stuff like holding hands.
Much like when Jenova Chen has talked about how ensuring that the microtransactions of the game don't impact the emotional space of the game, the ways in which the game encourages you to participate in it regularly need to be treated with the same way and they just... arent?
Im not looking forward to a new season for this reason so quickly after the last one.
Im also writing a small analysis piece on the level design and the ways i think it sabotages itself, but this kind of fits into that.
pallid badger
Ah yes I understand. I get stuck in candle grind mode a lot, and it feels wrong to abandon that for the social “fun” aspect. It isn’t fun, it’s a necessary but frustrating aspect of the gameplay and the requirement for candles remains high no matter what.
shrewd plover
@stoic badger I would so love to read that if you plan on linking it later or showing others oAo!
stoic badger
Exactly, even if you just want to interact with players - that eventually costs candles
@shrewd plover im gonna post it on beta feedback and Reddit at some point, will do :)
pallid badger
Yes I want to read it too!
spark lance
I feel ya, @stoic badger . I started out spending the game exploring, discovering the joy of someone finding me and helping me and then passing that joy along by helping others to grinding for seasonal candles because I bought the passes. That’s why I’m skipping the passes this time around and possibly for good.
pallid badger
Perhaps something simple like moving the candle locations about frequently, might take away some of the monotony and encourage more exploration. It doesn’t solve the problem but it might negate some of the boredom at least.
stoic badger
One thing id like them to try is to make the quests weekly
That way it's more leisurely, and that way collecting candles is a more leisurely thing too
You could hide them in weirder places or add more
pallid badger
Yes so it’s not intensely time dependent
spark lance
I made the same suggestion, weekly quests. That gives room to come back during the week just for the sake of exploring relationships with other players.
pallid badger
Or give candle rewards for spending time with people... though again that would be problematic for those who won’t or don’t have social interactions in their game play (through choice or otherwise)
blazing sail
@stoic badger Same! I want a longer break.
stoic badger
I think that would add a weird wedge to the game in the same way that the current quests do - I don't want to bow to someone or send someone a gift unauthentically.
And yet the game is dangling a chocolate bar in my face if I do
spark lance
I just read your last bit about your analysis piece on how the game sabotages itself. I would be very interested to read it as well. I imagine I would read it with lots of head nodding in agreement.
pallid badger
No that’s true. These are real people behind these sky kids. I wouldn’t want to be forced to interact. I want to interact because I want to.
stoic badger
Ill link you it in PMs when im done @spark lance
arctic pecan
I would just love to see just regular spirits that don't associates with cosmetics and just watch them do their daily stuffs ( a bit creepy but hey, at least it gives off some world buildings and explorations going on )
pallid badger
And I love the interactions. The chatter. The sitting around for half hour just listening to someone play an instrument
The random thoughts and ideas we collectively have, and the mischief we end up making. 😂
blazing sail
Takanu, did you read my review of the game back when I released? It seems like the FOMO and grind has gotten worse, not better since 😦
stoic badger
I did AppUnwrapper, and I dont think it's necessarily gotten worse, only with the Bat Cape tbh
The Bat Cape/Founders Cape weirdness
It's a consistent... "not good"
arctic pecan
ah yes the exclusive capes
pallid badger
I would too! Just follow their memories and let them tell a story. No gift at the end, besides some snippets of lore to process and make sense of
subtle lion
Kskwkjfkejw AppUnwrapper
spark lance
I understand that they are trying to come up with a model that pays for them but what good does it do them if players fade away like they did in Journey. I love that game too but I don’t play it because it’s too difficult to find players in the game. And this game depends entirely on other players. You can’t even get past certain areas without other players.
arctic pecan
very......exclusive....
subtle lion
Been watching the videos
blazing sail
And I 1000000% agree on the weekly thing. This is the only game I feel obligated to play every day and I hate it
subtle lion
Obligated?
I feel like Sky is the opposite of doing something you’re forced to do. It’s just so chill and calm
spark lance
Obligated because you paid for a season pass to gain certain cosmetics that you can only gain by the daily grind.
stoic badger
@spark lance One of my core critisms of the level design is that they've designed the game to have the same kind of structure and emotional arcs of their single-player level designs.
When you feel like you have to have a level or place communicate this specific static thing always to make sure everyone gets that emotional experience, you've still only created a space that's built to reward experiencing it a few times. With this they've really painted themselves in a corner.
pallid badger
Weekly reset. Massive increase in wax yield. You have a full week to collect it all (and it’ll be the equivalent of a full week daily grind). You can grab it all in a marathon, or whenever you’re passing.
stoic badger
I should say this up-front >>> the quickest and easiest solutions to think of are often the worst. I do not take the developers for fools, my main criticisms with their direction is on philosophy
pallid badger
It takes me probably around 2 hours to do a thorough candle run. And now there are these new areas, with multiple people required to access... it’s not something I can do daily. I dread to think actually how long it could take.
spark lance
I admit, the solutions are not necessarily easy. They’ve obviously worked really hard to create a truly inspiring game. How to maintain this experience and make a fair wage in return . . . Yeah, that’s not easy.
I don’t mind at all how long something might take me. As long as I know I’m not on a timer, as in the seasonal pass.
brazen flicker
Oh man, I don’t do daily candle runs. I just gather them as I go around doing other stuff
spark lance
That’s the way I used to play, @brazen flicker , until I bought the seasonal passes. Then I realized that I had to get in there every day to get the seasonal candles so that I could obtain what I had purchased the pass for before time ran out.
blazing sail
I know they need people playing so they need to dangle a carrot
But it still goes against the message of the game and how they wanted to be different
pallid badger
I suppose actually it depends on how keen you are to get all the things. That used to be a priority for me. Now I’m just trying to balance my books. Social interactions are the game for me now.
blazing sail
F2P games are all about long-term engagement and addiction and
It sucks that they had to go there too
stoic badger
I dont either @brazen flicker , but everything pulls at your candle stack eventually
shrewd plover
True...
brazen flicker
@spark lance I don’t mind the seasonal candle gathering, personally. I always know what area they’ll be in, and there aren’t many of them so it only takes a few minutes.
teal rampart
Hey uh...how do I get seasonal hearts?
I've got tons of candles but can't seem to find any seasonal hearts
brazen flicker
I enjoy having a little something extra to do that isn’t super time-consuming. I have fun trying to flap around and gather them without landing, or going with friends
blazing sail
Still, it’s not a great feeling for me that I wake up and the first thing I do is play so I don’t forget and miss my candles
stoic badger
For me it's not about time but about my headspace and the conclusions the tasks and rewards lead my behaviour and emotional state into.
pallid badger
They are at the top of the spirit trees after you’ve unlocked all their nodes.
brazen flicker
@teal rampart they’re at the top of each spirit tree! You can get them by exchanging three seasonal candles
arctic pecan
try completing one of the seasonal spirits' tree @teal rampart
they'll be right at the end,at the very top
blazing sail
And like, you shouldn’t have to worry that if some emergency comes up you won’t be able to get the items you already paid for
teal rampart
The spirits tree?
tidal veldt
i think its free you dont need candles
teal rampart
Where is that
arctic pecan
at the seasonal constellation
tidal veldt
it comes with a pass right away
tidal veldt
is it? huh
shrewd plover
Since we're testing, we don't have to pay for the seasonal and adventure features
pallid badger
When you click on the spirit in the constellation to buy the cape or the mask or the instrument etc. The very top item is the seasonal heart
brazen flicker
I get where y’all are coming from. Everyone experiences the game differently. For me, the seasonal candles are fun instead of stressful. But I know that’s not the case for everyone
spark lance
@brazen flicker I mind it because I feel obliged to play daily when I wouldn’t otherwise. Without the seasonal pass, I just play when I want to and if I have too much on my plate IRL I don’t feel that I need to make time to play a game. It’s the combination of paying for something and then having a limited time to take advantage of the thing you paid for. Like going to a restaurant, paying for your food, then the waiter sets a timer so that you know the food will be yanked from you if you don’t consume it before the time is up.
arctic pecan
mhmm and you'll need to collect other hearts in order to unlock the final reward
and that is the firecamp
pallid badger
Firecamp? Campfire?
twilit frigate
Does beta transfer your data over?
pallid badger
Nope
arctic pecan
nope
twilit frigate
:0
stoic badger
Oh also - its a bad idea to put the big gameplay feature change at your last item that only a few people get to experience
pallid badger
So don’t get too attached to your skykid and their pretty things.
teal rampart
I glitched the final seasonal reward and then they took it away
stoic badger
Everyone did
arctic pecan
mhmm
teal rampart
Like it just became automatically available then it disappeared
pallid badger
Yup. All of us had that happen.
teal rampart
So if you bought the seasonal pass do you have to buy it again when the game goes live on Android?
arctic pecan
mhmm for the live one ( gonna need to pay )
stoic badger
Yes, the games are separate. You're not buying it in the beta though, you just tap it and get it for free
shrewd plover
We actually didn't buy it in the beta, it's free since we're testing
stoic badger
If you did... ooh boy
pallid badger
The season pass in beta doesn’t cost real money. You “buy” it in the shop but it doesn’t take your money.
shrewd plover
Mhm, the usual Google Play didn't come up
arctic pecan
aka its for free in beta
shrewd plover
That's how you know you didn't actually make a purchase lol
arctic pecan
reason? to test things out and see how they go
so the devs could make improvements
on those items
shrewd plover
GP always pulls up a confirmation screen if you're doing microtransactions
teal rampart
Some games take advantage of it where they need your finger to stay on a certain part of a screen, don't tell you it's gonna purchase, and then your finger being there auto-taps the buy button
pallid badger
No you won’t be tricked into a purchase with sky.
subtle lion
^
teal rampart
I know
arctic pecan
looks at the Harry Potter game, with disappointment
subtle lion
Plus if you do accidentally purchase something on Sky you could easily get a refund and figure it out with their support team
arctic pecan
yeah! accidentally made a purchase and got my money back!
subtle lion
They’re very easy to deal with!
arctic pecan
both the Sky support and apple support are very nice to deal with
shrewd plover
And also since this is still in a testing stage, it may very well accidentally happen and I'm sure they're aware of it
arctic pecan
will take a while but its worth the wait
teal rampart
I would never accidentally purchase with Sky. It would always be an on purpose one.
subtle lion
Haha same.
arctic pecan
hmm mostly the accidental purchase tend to be buggy ( _dang those phone and itune cards _ )
subtle lion
Btw last time I had to chat with Apple they rapidly asked me the same questions and never helped me fix my problem
pallid badger
I like dropping a little now and again to top up those darn candles I so desperately need but can’t be bothered to collect. 😂
spark lance
I just want people to understand where I am coming from. I started playing this game and fell in love with it from the start. Then another player befriended me one day and started taking me around, showing me things, escorting me through difficult areas and we formed a bond. At that point I was so in love with the game that I decided to purchase the seasonal pass just to give the developers money because they had really earned it. And although the only person I knew well in the game already had the pass, I still bought the $15 gift option and made it my mission to find 2 other players in game and randomly bestow it upon them. I did the same thing when the next season came out. But then I recognized that playing during the seasons actually ruined the game play for me. Now I was focused on checking in daily, reading and completing my “mission” so that I could get the items I wanted in the season. And after just 2 seasons I feel that I enjoy the game less when I have the seasonal pass. Without it, I will check in and play when I feel like it. I’ll do what I want when I check in. Maybe I’ll search for new players who want help. Maybe I’ll connect with old gaming friends. But I won’t be on a mission. I’ll just enjoy the game. However, that doesn’t pay the developers. So I guess I’m hoping their model evolves into something that continues to pay for them while keeping players engaged without burning them out. Maybe that’s not even possible. I dunno.
stoic badger
I remember distinctly when the first season was over and I hadnt played in 5 days, I came back to the game and really liked it.
Like... i'll play this season because my friend owes me a season pass (me and 2 friends have a deal going on) but am I actually going to enjoy the process of playing it through those 6 weeks after the initial joy hit of the new levels?.... Probably not.
At this point im having more fun writing a written analysis of why their design philosophy isnt working for an online game XD
subtle lion
Having to do missions to earn candles and get new items is fun but, once you rapidly and obsessively check in on missions and candles the game becomes more of a liability rather than an escape. I think It’s important to let yourself sink into the calmness of sky to remind yourself how amazing Sky truly is.
hollow compass
Sounds like an interesting analysis, Takanu! Will you put it somewhere for others to read?
brazen flicker
@spark lance your viewpoint is valid and I know it’s shared by others in our community. I hope I didn’t make you feel otherwise, because it totally wasn’t my intention 
I was just trying to offer up a different viewpoint. Sky is a beautiful game, and I 100% support you enjoying it in whatever way works best for you.
stoic badger
I would agree with you if the game was built to prop up that experience @subtle lion . Making relationships costs candles and the FOMO of seasonal items pulls at your sense of jealousy (something Jeonva Chen directly commented on when talking about other games). It all comes back eventually x_x
shrewd plover
Like, unlocking friendship perks should solely just be based on a login system/have no cost
Bonuses unlock if you're somehow able to link up on excursions together, like staying logged in at the same time or actually adventuring together
spark lance
@brazen flicker Not to worry, I was not at all offended. And I agree with you. This is a lovely game, kudos to the people who put it together and all their hard work. I can’t imagine the time it took. I just don’t want to see them sabotage their own efforts and I can’t help but wonder if their current model won’t do that. Perhaps it’s just the nature of the beast. I know that what I see as the “addiction model” works for many games. But I don’t play those games. I guess I’m just trying to save my relationship with this game by helping the developers understand why people such as myself play it and what we are willing to pay for.
subtle lion
@stoic badger I agree. But, paying candles for friendships is kind of a big deal in Sky. It would be easier not to be forced to pay to make friends but I think it’s one of the gimmicks that make Sky the beautiful thing that it is. I agree that seasonal candles and the fomo of a new season does urge players with the sense of jealousy which I think is unavoidable, we’re humans after all.
limber bone
btw is shiny bug still there?
torn gust
Metallic glitch? yes it can still happen
limber bone
thank u
stoic badger
@subtle lion I used to think paying for candles is a big deal... but shouldn't friendships be anyway? When you commit to spending time to someone it's not a case of "I spent real money on you so YOU WILL BE MY FRIEND", it's about an emotional investment in each others lives, in friendships you commit and spend your own time to be in their life and that's far more significant than "I spent one virtual candle I had a bad time getting so we could hold hands".
Me making time for someone else because I want to be in their life is the sacrifice, the purchase misses the point and commodifies the act of interaction and friendship, or even the simple act of providing someone aid.
subtle lion
True but, I’ve never felt like I had to spend time with someone I met on Sky because I spent a candle. I think it’s just a small gesture for fun. I spend time with my Sky friends because I love spending time with them, not because I spent candles on them.
stoic badger
My argument isnt that I have to make time for someone because I spent a candle on them, it's that time and emotional is the real cost and sacrifice I make in relationships, and that candles do not augment that.
When I cant help someone through a difficult part of the game because I ran out of candles, that reeeeeally sucks. I was willing to make that sacrifice and the game commodified my commitment.
shrewd plover
If there was an easier way to get candles really, that'd be nice
Even as something like a login bonus
blazing sail
I still wish the game had been part of Apple Arcade and I’m not sure why Apple pressured them to do F2P instead.
stoic badger
@blazing sail They got venture capital way before Apple promoted it, if they helped financially it was as an investor with the other investors in thatgamecompany.
blazing sail
@stoic badger Yeah, imagine if the only way to make friends in real life was to spend money on someone.
So they simply couldn’t be part of AA bc someone else was already invested in it?
Venture capital means someone wants their money back. :/
Which is exactly the opposite of their message. Sigh.
stoic badger
I mean if Apple wanted to buy it they could have bought those investors out
blazing sail
Once you get investors involved, it all becomes about making them money so their investment was worthwhile.
subtle lion
That connects to how you manage your use of candles. Candles are just a fun gesture, no more. I agree that what’s important is the emotional part but candles are no more than just a fun way of showing you want to be friends with someone, they’re not that big of a deal. I was never out of candles when I wanted to help someone. I don’t think candles have that big of an impact on the social life in Sky. @stoic badger
blazing sail
Maybe. But the devs who signed on early to AA seem very happy and they don’t have to worry about how to get players to spend money on their game.
stoic badger
Im happy you're having that experience @subtle lion , I wish i was too X)
subtle lion
Haha!
blazing sail
I’m at the point where i absolutely cannot stomach regular candle grinds. I don’t even bother finishing the area where the seasonal stuff is
shrewd plover
Most of my candles keep going to hearts so I can unlock avatar parts XD;;
blazing sail
I just get my seasonal stuff and go
stoic badger
@blazing sail Of course. The main reason why I bother talking about this game at all on a fan Discord is because of the way they positioned themselves as developers who had ambitions to do things differently.
Otherwise I would absolutely not be here, i would be doing something else <w<
blazing sail
So it’s gonna suck when I can’t unlock friendship emotes bc I’m relying entirely on friends to pay for it
So no head pats for me I guess
subtle lion
It sucks that the only way to get hearts is by friends or buying them
shrewd plover
Which is why I wonder, it would be a nice feature if filling up candles would be "easier" if you were in an adventuring group together
subtle lion
I bought all of the hearts and now I’m relying on friends
shrewd plover
Rather than play solo
subtle lion
That would be an interesting feature
shrewd plover
Like, more EXP gain (candle wax gain) if you're linked with someone
subtle lion
Perhaps wax would double it’s value while gathering it with friends
blazing sail
I don’t even care about regular cosmetics anymore. I got my Forest elder hair so the rest can come whenever. But the seasonal stuff and the friendship stuff makes it hard to take a break when I’m burnt out
shrewd plover
yes yes exactly!
subtle lion
I have a question
Does the instant recharge potion work even when your light’s out completely?
stoic badger
No, because in that state you cant use items AFAIK?
At least you cant use props like that
stoic badger
I have never tested that specific instance, worth a shot
arctic pecan
the recharge potions works great!
especially in Wasteland, Eden or any high places
you can't reach
arctic pecan
Mhmm!
subtle lion
I mean just no flaps, and all u have is that little drop
spark lance
Its impossible to play D:
Cant even use the 60 fps
30fps is just to bad to be able to plau
Play*
arctic pecan
proven trout
i use 30fps high def
my phone can do 60 but its too much for me
also, yes, the instant recharge you can use when you're completely out. i used it in eden once to light a statue :p
stoic badger
@hollow compass Yeah, ill post it on Reddit and a shorter version in the feedback section.
high sluice