totally bummed about all the new barriers. Im amazed that in this last bug fixing phase before launch we're seeing more things like barriers added. it's demoralising. ok, just seen the stuff about storm lock. I'll hold off.
#beta-discussion
finite pumice
exotic gorge
Anyone find the 4th large cluster of candles in the wasteland
finite pumice
I know this is naughty, but I couldn't help laughing when the first candle cluster failed to award all of it's wax.
exotic gorge
Really I’ve gotten all of the max from the 4 yesterday and the 3 I found today @finite pumice guess I was lucky 🍀
patent karma
You can lose your light in valley now? Oh no and ouch.
finite pumice
very ouch. If there, then in theory, everywhere. I should at least be consistent.
patent karma
Ugh. Theres something nice about having some 'fun' (no dangerous consequences) levels. I felt like valley was one. I'm playing on a iPhone 6 which already has temperamental spots on it. I'll get over it but I had a pang of sadness.
lusty light
@thin orchid yeah that happened to me 😭😭😭 very upsetting... I sent in a bug ticket in game I’m really upset about losing my candles
@patent karma also I think you losing a star has something to do with some new physics thing they added... I was with a friend in valley and they smacked into the wall very hard and lost a star
spark lance
That was a surprise to hear about losing a star there.
hardy carbon
Yeah I hope they revert that change. Flying uncontrollably down valley without a care in the world was so fun
thin orchid
@lusty light I’m sorry. For me it turned to be a nice surprise — I could get finally a piano 😊
lusty light
I want the orange seasonal cape 😭
spark glacier
The fall damage caught me off guard
Is it also impact damage? Like if you run into things
lusty light
Yeah
narrow arch
Wait whaaa fall damage is a thing now, I’m gonna have to get gud real fast
lusty light
It might just be a bug but. It’s really funny
dusky marlin
When fire goes out you loos stars now?? 😱
lusty light
No
I think the way the rocks are coded it’s been applied to everything
It’s most likely a bug
narrow arch
Oh I sure hope it’s a bug, otherwise the ground racing track is going to be very chaotic now lol
Note to self, ram my face into walls at high speeds later to see if I can recreate the bug
spark glacier
Yeah I hit a tree in the forest and almost lost my flame, lool
high ember
Yeah, when your fire goes out you start losing stars. I and a friend flew way out of bounds above the entrance to Wasteland, landed in the water, slowly burned out, and started losing stars.
main ivy
I really hope it's a bug. The controls in Sky work so that it's almost impossible to hit a small target by landing directly on it. You have to smack into the side and let your kid auto-hop up onto the ledge... which would now knock out your flame and maybe a star.
Though I have to say, it's a fun challenge in the race area. Collect the lights without hitting the walls, under penalty of death!
spark glacier
Yeah sometimes the steering can really be iffy and it be sad if you bumped into something and then say..landed in water something,
orchid nexus
I played this morning and I thought I ran into plenty of things without having any stars knocked out of me.
pearl mica
So what do i do?
orchid nexus
reported above: there's some trick (escapes my memory) for getting out of storm mode, but your seasonal candles may be converted into regular candles if you do it.
pearl mica
What about all the stars i gave etc
main ivy
The trick was backdating your game, going into storm again, and being reborn correctly. Then updating again. But yes it removes all seasonal candles.
orchid nexus
try force-quit, then play through again, let yourself wander in the hail until you die.
pearl mica
Ok will try that
main ivy
I think someone else also had some success with deleting and re-downloading the game, but that's a bit risky with the save file. I think if you use gamecenter it will keep your progress intact. But don't take my word for that... Someone smart should answer about save progress for sure, I don't want to tell you to try it when i don't know 100% how that works.
orchid nexus
backdating, meaning what? install a previous build?
main ivy
Yes
orchid nexus
Any time someone says "uninstall and reinstall" I feel the need to say "back up your device first." Gamecenter has worked fine for this, but it never hurts to have a spare backup.
hybrid wedge
I might wait a little bit longer before doing Eye of Eden then. I really want to see the new stuff, but I don't want to risk having something with my game mess up.
(Or maybe just go on a seasonal shopping spree before going.)
charred dawn
Is adventure pass no longer free for beta?
main ivy
Should be free?
I tapped it and it told me I bought it without bringing up any purchase confirmation or password or anything windows.
Ha if they changed it I'm in trouble, because I tapped it when I do not have any money whatsoever.
charred dawn
I’m kind of scared to tap it 😂 apple might not give more credits for accidental purchase.
spark lance
I'd like to understand this bug better. Where in storm are people getting stuck?
@main ivy it is free for beta. It just looks like we're going to be charged.
charred dawn
@spark lance let me try to tap it. 😂
spark lance
Tapped out with Apple Support, eh @charred dawn?
charred dawn
Okay I did unlock the adventure pass and it did not charged my card. Thanks y’all 😃
spark lance
Yup, it's safe to do.
We'll call it SFCC ... safe for credit card.
Of course my CC will be all lit up in Live ... it will probably turn to dust.
pearl mica
Ok i came out of the game, went back into storm, stood until i died again the was reborn...but now in home , but portals are empty?
spark lance
Ros, what happens if you go back into Storm now?
rotund quail
@noble wadi I think TP worked with you. one other thing we could try is to walk through the gate with you holding my hand
spark lance
@pearl mica do you enter the lobby again or are you back in Eden?
pearl mica
It took me back to the end with the red rain, then died
rotund quail
@pearl micaI just taught Carina a trick. It does not solve the problem of the gate but you can continue playing until the TCG solves the problem
spark lance
Then after dying, are you letting the rest of the level play through?
pearl mica
Yes
spark lance
@rotund quail we like tricks. What is it?
pearl mica
Gave me star candles and one wedge
rotund quail
Dune. It looks like it has a bug with Eden in the update
spark lance
Yes, I'm trying to understand the bug, where it happens, and now this trick too.
hollow compass
I’m reading on FB that people are getting stuck in Eden, but mostly that they’re losing stars to “nothing” and not finding any stone statues to deposit stars at.
rotund quail
||Gates do not open after you're reborn||
pearl mica
I had no trouble with placing stars etc, it was just after i died
spark lance
Is it the same not being able to die bug we had a few versions ago?
hollow compass
Ok, so not going to Eden this Sunday unless a new update arrives.
spark lance
Ros, I don't have an answer for you, but I'm hoping Harry might be DMing you with whatever the trick is.
pearl mica
Ok thanks👍
noble wadi
Tp did work to random player
rotund quail
The trick is not a secret. If you use TP for a random player it will reactivate the gates. If ou can not look at the constellations so use the TP from the menu. @pearl mica @spark lance @hollow compass
spark lance
@rotund quail thank you kind sir.
charred wedge
Are you supposed to be able to have all the life knocked out of you in Valley of Triumph stage?
main ivy
@charred wedge The newest version made it so if you smack into things too hard, you do indeed get the life knocked right out of you. We do not know if this is a bug or an intentional change.
charred wedge
There wasn't anything in my path, though
spark lance
This happened in one of the races?
rotund quail
I did the race that owns the wall of energy. What race did you do? I did not see anything wrong.
charred wedge
In the first section before the ice rink, where there are the high ridges on the sides leading to little towers, I was on one of the top ones at the start of it to see if perhaps there was a spirit in one of the towers
It just happened again. I had sat down to stop moving, it started me moving (on the main path) and knocked the life out of me
spark lance
Good that you've got those explorer instincts.
spark lance
@charred wedge Did you lose stars or just get knocked flat?
charred wedge
Lost a star the first time, just got knocked flat the second time
spark lance
Some of us like to explore around those windwalls just to see what's possible. Sounds like maybe losing a star will be the price to pay.
charred wedge
It wasn't a windwall, though
spark lance
Oh I see, just up high on the ridge.
pearl mica
I cannot look ay the constellation map, the cog with red dot is not there to open it
charred wedge
I'm mostly exploring to try and find where the ||seasonal spirit memory|| is
pearl mica
Ok storm is open should i go in again?
spark lance
@charred wedge , couldn't say whether it's being talked about, but have you read in the #seasons-events-chat channel?
charred wedge
It has not been talked about yet
spark lance
Ros, I would say go back into Storm and immediately see if the upper right cog is available.
pearl mica
Hello again thank you, i went into the settings and TP to random player and it worked thank you 🥰🥰🥰🥰🤗🤗🤗
Now all looks to be back to normal
pearl mica
Yes back to collecting stars ha ha ha
rotund quail
U welcome @pearl mica
charred wedge
I feel like if it is a new thing intentionally that we get punished for running into things, the controls need to be refined more. Not every time, but the majority of the time that I've gotten docked wingpower for running into something was because the controls wouldn't let me move out of the way.
rotund quail
@fringe schoonerThe trick is not a secret. If you use TP for a random player it will reactivate the gates. If ou can not look at the constellations so use the TP from the menu.
fringe schooner
Thank you so much @rotund quail , hadn’t gotten to this part of discord yet 😃
rotund quail
U welcome
spark glacier
Are players still having issues with eden, I’m scared to go in ;-:
rotund quail
👻
main ivy
Yep @spark glacier , postpone any beta eden trips for now
fair jasper
Yeah, I've heard that Eden has problems right now. I guess I'll keep stocking up on light before I go back in.
spark glacier
You know how somebody brought up about bumping into things and losing their stars during the race, yeah it happens to me :((
fair jasper
Yep, bumping into things when moving quickly definitely kills your flight energy then knocks out stars. The rain in the forest can also take away stars now.
narrow arch
It feels like maaaaaybe the loosing flight energy might have been intended but I’m getting a vibe that the knocking out of stars may be unintended side effect (or at least that’s what I’m hoping).
The new “mechanic” seems to be a little harsh overall, especially on certain levels like the valley where through normal play it’s extremely easy to loose energy and get your stars knocked out of ya ( I myself accidentally lost 2 earlier through ||that fun tunnel slide before the ice rink||)
Also thinking about it that makes a few actions such as getting certain Stars quite difficult without risk now like ||that one star in the area before the flight race were unless your flight skills are super sharp you will have to fly straight into a wall to get||
It’s kinda a real bummer :(
orchid nexus
I tried and tried to lose stars by collisions and could not do it.
I eventually found that I could take "damage" when my cape charge was empty.
narrow arch
It only happens once you loose all your light and continue taking damage, you do get a chance to get it back but depending on where you are it can be difficult
orchid nexus
Sounds like the sensible thing is not to discharge your cape fully in the valley :) I didn't discover this by accident in valley because I usually just glide there and don't try to power my flight.
narrow arch
Lol true but sometimes you can accidentally bump into one to many things and loose wing energy like that, I lagged a bit and accidentally bumped into things whichis how I lost one of my stars
Sorry I’m not trying to be a negative Nancy just wanted to express some thoughts on it, sorry if I came off as kinda blunt. 😅
high ember
@narrow arch, you can get that star in the window nook in the Citadel by floating down from the building above. The updraft makes you fall slowly and you can float right into the nook.
narrow arch
Huh really? Sorry I didn’t realize that, I’ve only ever seen people just fly straight at it lol
orchid nexus
it's been hard to get into "float" mode for that window, but I have found that easier recently. The flight mode usually auto-switches to open-wing over clouds which is why we all tend to fly straight at that window instead of trying to gently land there.
lusty light
This update actually made it so that you can switch flight modes in citadel whether you’re over clouds or not
hybrid wedge
Really? That must be limited to only that area, I haven't noticed modes being switchable over clouds in other areas.
lusty light
Yes only that area
hybrid wedge
Drat.
lusty light
I noticed it yesterday when I was getting the new giant candle bunches
hybrid wedge
Still an improvement though.
narrow arch
Sorry if I was a little harsh before when talking about the wing thing, it’s just been difficult to get used to
lusty light
No you’re fine! The losing light part is most likely a bug anyway like how going to eden will make you trapped forever 🤧
narrow arch
OOF now that sounds like a dozy of a bug lol
finite pumice
has anyone read or heard anything to make it clear that the new star-loss is deliberate or a bug? To me, it looks very deliberate, but I see people here expressing hope that its a bug. It would be great to have some clarity.
With each successive update I feel more and more distant from the goals of this game. 😞
The message I keep seeing online from Jennie Kong about Altruism seems to be getting tired and further from the truth.
Take this quote from the article yesterday: ""It's etiquette to hug when you first see each other in the game, and etiquette to hug when you sign out," says Jennie Kong, story writer and overseer studio communications. "
What is that about. Who hugs everytime they join and leave?
"Thematically, this is a game about compassion and altruism; friendship." maybe this time last year. Not so much now. It's all about replay, buying "stuff" and going again.
/rant over.
hybrid wedge
If I see a game friend and we aren't both in the middle of something, we usually hug when we greet, or do some other action to say hello. And when I sign off I hug or high five or do something as a goodbye gesture to everyone I'm with. I think most of the people I play with, whether I know them well or only casually, do similar.
I've found that the game is striking a better balance between doing fun and silly friend stuff with having reasons to leave home space. At one point last year I remember wondering to myself if it was moving to be primarily a virtual chatroom with flight. Things are a bit strange with having to rebuild our closets from scratch, and a lot of us really want to get back the cosmetics that we most loved to use. I think with the seasons there is a bit of a rush to get ALL the things! and find ALL the candles, but if they go with the 5-6 length like they ended up doing with Gratitude the first time around, it may not be as big a deal. Plus, once the season is over things will calm down again.
finite pumice
I see it a little, and do so with closer friends, but it's not something I see a lot of
main ivy
Yep I also hug my friends when I see them
hybrid wedge
Ultimately, Sky has to have different draws for different people. Some of us will be all about playing instruments and little else. Some of us will be about getting all the stuff and little else. Some of us will be Eden junkies. Some of us will be all about krill dancing mourning the loss of krill dancing. Having those different options gives variety to the game.
main ivy
You can still dance with the krill! It’s just that now you get your toes stepped on :P
hybrid wedge
If by toes stepped on you mean the life smacked out of me, yes. It's not so much a dance as a game of Ultimate Red Rover. 
empty inlet
||I was letting my kid skating down freely from the start of Mountain, then suddenly a crisp sound and I lost all energy plus a star.|| That was REALLY a BIG surprise.
hybrid wedge
Without hitting anything??
empty inlet
sure, but you can't control yourself to not hitting anything in such a high speed
orchid nexus
I really do need to try harder to take collision damage. I think it sounds fun! Actually I think losing stars sounds not fun, but I wouldn't worry over that too much because stars are easy to get.
empty inlet
The thing is, i don't know which star i've lost
There is no fun if i have to slow down and be careful
finite pumice
@orchid nexus so when the grinding gets tough the tough get grinding? @empty inlet is right.
orchid nexus
I sort of felt that way at first, losing stars to krill. But then I relaxed a little. We're going to lose them all anyway, right?
empty inlet
At least i can have some reward in strom
finite pumice
Losing them to Krill makes sense in the story. Listing them by hitting a wall or wet us just ...wet.
empty inlet
But, if stars is only going to give me energy, i won't care too much
orchid nexus
The less you think you need every star in the game to have a good play through Eden, the more fun it will be.
empty inlet
True
orchid nexus
And after you get a dozen or so permanent stars you can relax even more.
orchid nexus
It only takes a couple weeks to get that far 
main ivy
Pretty brutal by rain standards tho. Even back when being caught out in the rain made you lose emotes, it was a temporary loss and they’d gradually return.
empty inlet
couple weeks are almost a month
fleet maple
@orchid nexus tho some people may want to have more wedges for flight
finite pumice
@orchid nexus Which means that when we’re told to collect them to fly higher we shouldn’t be bothered trying. So Sky is not about flying or the joy if it anymore? It’s about grinding, no joy, and flight is there as a tool not as a thing of wonder. So are permanent stars permanent still?
orchid nexus
I'm having fun flying
I have 7 wedges right now, and it's more than enough to enjoy. But no, it's a game Peter, and it's not only about flying.
fleet maple
Well since sky is a social game , maybe it’s grinding together with your friends
orchid nexus
Grind is a term for something you don't want to do. If you feel it's a grind, play differently!
Today I spent about an hour in the game just running and sliding on hills. It was ridiculously fun.
empty inlet
Like, if i don't need to worry about every stars, I can also skip those which are hard to get, like the two in race
orchid nexus
If you power-slide down a hill and emote in the middle... 
empty inlet
The control is preventing me getting that two stars now
finite pumice
yeah, I'm seriously feeling like I've lost my ken for Sky. I'm clearly not 'getting' it like I used to, and like so many of you so.
orchid nexus
I still say come hang with me some time. Flying, running, other fun things that are not grind-related.
I'll even give you a hug to greet you! 
radiant drum
I had some short time to play sky today and get my daily candles. I met some friends along the way and ended up spending hours with them and not focusing on the quests/candles 😄 chatting, sliding and falling, purposefully trying to lose stars by bonking into walls and taking nice screenshots. Oh, we also got some candles that were in our way 
orchid nexus
Some, but not many 
empty inlet
Earlier version have more pure experience in terms of enjoying the art, hanging out with friends, or maybe it is because i've spent long time playing the game. Not saying i won't enjoy these flying, socializing and other fun stuff you mentioned Alex, but I feel the game has so much more for me to do.
Like going to storm every week
radiant drum
I never get all stars or keep the ones I have for too long, and most days I never finish all daily quests. I have around 5 wedges and I can have a lot of fun with that, even more so with friends! Usually I log into Sky and check if any of my friends are online and warp to them, and I quite literally hug them every time when we meet and when we part ways, usually more than once
empty inlet
I remember I go to storm before is to help my friends to get through it, rather than go for myself.
orchid nexus
It does, and it needs those things. I saw a clear pattern earlier in beta of the whole world slowing down a week or two after updates. Sandbox is fine, but this game needs to live!
hybrid wedge
Yeah, Kanpai, I really do have fun going through Storm with a group of people. Even if we lose stars in the process, something dramatic always happens. 😆
radiant drum
And eden really is more rewarding now with at least one friend with you! Besides, ||no one should die alone 
||
hybrid wedge
||Die more slowly with friends! XD||
analog delta
Oof trhese spirits are onerous to get
And people can steal them from you... annoying
empty inlet
I have mix feelings you know, about how i feel from the game and all other realistic thing tgc have to handle
hybrid wedge
@analog delta Do you mean the winged light children?
hybrid wedge
No, seasonal spirit and star kids are different. ^^
What do you mean by stealing them from you though?
analog delta
Well you slowly slowly slowly guide this little light around
and if you leave it too long you have to restart the whole thing
but if someone pops into the light radius they can control it
I just had someone walk into mine and I couldn't guide it anymore, it only followed them until they left too fast
radiant drum
@analog delta regular emotes used to be like that sometimes too, and they're soooooo slow to complete
But I think it's quite cute how your character moves the light
analog delta
Yea.. I can't say I am pleased that you restart if you leave th elight too long though
hybrid wedge
Yeah, sometimes it's not clear why one person is "controlling" a spirit during a quest like that and not the other.
analog delta
I'm okay with the slowness but having 6 steps where it goes away if you fall... ugh
I mean.. I'm not super okay with the slowness but I can accept it if I didn't lose all my progress lol
radiant drum
Yeah the timing can be very unforgiving. I still have nightmares about when I tried to complete the old quest like that in the citadel 
My advice is to have friends with you! If one of you fall, you can quickly recover
Just make sure both of you don't fall
analog delta
haha true enough
tulip moat
I think the way it works is the spirit tries to stay in the center of multiple friends
And favors people standing still (for some reason$
analog delta
Yea I figured it was a teamwork thing.. but I dunno... seems to open to griefin
tulip moat
I had someone just stop walking, and I had to wait for them to move before I could continue
analog delta
Yep I can agree with that. That's exactly what happened
and it was steps before the final step and I was stressing out that I'd lose it and have to restart
hybrid wedge
@empty inlet, wow, that's an old translation! It's still telling people their friends get hearts when you unlock hug! o_0
charred wedge
I think the main problem I have with the whole "hitting something hard makes you lose wing light" thing isn't just that it seems like an odd choice for a game which forces your movement a decent chunk of the time. On further reflection I think it is also that it often punishes you for exploring, while the game tries to encourage exploration through hidden things. It makes it very frustrating because I want to explore, the story of the game wants me to explore, but the actual mechanics of the game punish me for exploring.
empty inlet
Yeah, they having been work on that yet
This is already changed to a circle
Do you guys ever have this happened? The light you're moving suddenly leaves you and go to another group of people
hybrid wedge
Not that I can recall.
empty inlet
It happened to me when I matched with other players when I'm moving the light
hybrid wedge
That sounds really annoying.
analog delta
@charred wedge what do you mean? i only lose stars to krill... are there other ways?
main ivy
@analog delta you should have seen the first version of the spirit quest in the first krill area. You had to guide the super slow spirit across the patrol area, and there was a bad crash bug with it, and if someone new entered the area the spirit would fly top speed back to the start to greet them. Had to do it like five times to get it hahaha
analog delta
Ouch...
main ivy
Very haha
In general tho i think the game is more fun and has more to do now than ever. Its hard to realize when we’ve played so much and seen it all so many times. But new players have a lot to do and explore now that they never did before!
empty inlet
Another thing with the new matchmaking. Let say you go to the race and meet a stranger, that guy cooperate very well with you and you want to exchange candle. Then suddenly at the end, a whole bunch of other people matched with you two and you can't recognize who is the one raced with you
@analog delta can't you skip the cutscene? I can do that
analog delta
I can only skip the cutscene after the first time each trip through Eden
empty inlet
Ohh yeah
analog delta
So every restart I have to watch it at least once
empty inlet
I seldom go to storm so
hybrid terrace
:shudders: After finishing that Seasonal krill quest, I am so glad the krill are deaf
main ivy
Poor babies don't got any ears.
(Also I love your "tarnished wasteland" name suggestion)
hybrid terrace
(Thanks. I would also have put my suggestion from FB about the Grandfather spirit here, but it's a bit long 😅 )
radiant drum
@hybrid terrace if you would like, you can post docs and PDFs in the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived channel ^^
main ivy
(Ooh I wanna hear that tho)
spark glacier
I’m really happy the wasteland was the first seasonal event emote I got..I ran it with bob, I was so terrified
hollow compass
I tried for the Wasteland one twice last night and then just gave up.
I'm not made for that type of "thrill".
spark glacier
Imagaine if for April fools they gave krill ears that reacted to the sounds of chirping..aha...ahhahah..r-really funny huh.
hybrid terrace
Patience is key, but also knowing where to hide
I had to abandon the flame 3 times before I finally made it all the way through
spark glacier
Yeah you just gotta look up! If you need help or a companion, I’d be more then willing to do the dirty work for you !
If you wanna stand near the safe end and wait for me to bring it over to the statue lol
main ivy
I can't use that link @hybrid terrace :( no FB account
hybrid terrace
(sorry! give me a minute)
radiant drum
I think I did the wasteland quest 3 or 4 times today 😄 just hanging around and helping people that showed up 
Extra people can really make the difference with that quest
hybrid terrace
@main ivy (from FB)
I have a bit of time this morning before work, and I thought I'd get a few thoughts down.
I took a few days off from playing Sky, as I find that I get somewhat bored going through the same levels, lighting the same candles, ad infinitum (there are days when I welcome the familiarity and just enjoy being in the world, but that isn't every day, for me).
So I started up back in Isle, and came across Grandfather's cutscene. I know there have been many iterations of this, but I find I miss the first the most. The one where our small light is just enough to straighten his back and give him a bit of his old Power. He chooses to use it for us, and brings the boats to send us on our way. But then the light fades, and he is back to being a stooped old man, and we see the light does not last.
** This gives us a reason to come back. ** This shows us this is why others must come along and perform the same task - our light gives them power, but not enough to sustain - we must keep coming back.
Back then, I inferred that this must be so for the others as well, even if we do not stick around to see the light fade, because surely 3 candles will last longer that 1, but all candles burn down eventually. It gave me a sense that my repetition was necessary to the plot/world/story.
Another thought I would add on here: I really like the idea of Grandfather granting us our cape, the new(ish) animation for that was great and the timing was wonderful....except it came after our first flight, so it made no sense. I suggest that the first spirit of light we meet give us a ...training cape? Something flimsy and ephemeral but that gets the job done (just a different skin?). Then we get our "real" cape from Grandfather, and take off from there.
main ivy
Ah! Yes I agree, I really really really miss the old grandfather cutscene. That bittersweet feeling when the light fades again.
I wish the old boat ride and title sequence would come back. Like maybe the boats take off and then after the title they lose power and sink into the clouds, but there's a joy as you use your new wings to fly on.
Maybe I should post that in suggestions actually. Eh. Idk. Maybe another time. tired and bad headache. Don't want to try to figure out how to word it.
Thank you for the copy+paste @hybrid terrace 💛
thin orchid
Is there thinking emote anywhere? Really miss it, but i can’t find anywhere.
finite pumice
agreed @hollow compass ; it's really hard to know what to report as a bug when such changes are made without any form of communication about them. Is this new star loss thing a bug or is it deliberate and something we now have to contend with? The patch notes are woefully inadequate in what they communicate to us as testers.
high ember
Remember flying through banners? Can’t do that any more. I smacked this one trying to enter Wasteland and landed gracelessly back on the platform. 🤣
hollow compass
@finite pumice The thing is I fear that when a new thing is introduced it often leads to something else being broken or changed by accident.
spark glacier
That’s normal progression though!!
finite pumice
@hollow compass exactly, and for that reason alone, I amazed that new things like this have been introduced so close to launch rather than focusing on fixing what we've reported is broken. @spark glacier yes it's normal but not this close to launch.
hollow compass
I suppose it’s entirely possible that the things we are testing now won’t come into effect until later this year, but changing the game mech by accident or not is a little disconcerting for the live release.
If this thing is an accident, the problem causing it may be hidden deep in the code and not be as easy to fix.
If it’s not by accident, then why not tell us about it?
The update led is to believe that the big thing to test was seasonal quests.
orchid nexus
We don’t need to doom-and-gloom the release of the game. Issues are reported, and that’s the most we can do. Beta testers don’t need a full list of bug fixes or changes the way QA team does because we’ll find our own path to testing everything, not individually, but collectively! 
hollow compass
Wow, so I’m not allowed to voice my concern now.
I sort of take issue with this whole “don’t bother you sweet little beta tester brain” attitude. Why can’t I be deeply worried about a game I want to be able to passionately recommend to people?
I do think it’s worrying that something this major happens in the game merely weeks before release, even if the version we are playing probably won’t be the one released.
Actual players out there in the world might not be as patient and understanding if this happens with a major update later on, and that will reflect badly on TGC.
What I truly worry about is that new features are rushed into production, then pushed onto the beta, causing major havoc and then they have a doubled workload because they need to back peddle. That’s not efficient use of programmers.
orchid nexus
I’m not at all suggesting we can’t be concerned or voice concern. But as beta testers we don’t have responsibility for how our feedback is used. We actually don’t even get to decide whether any given change or problem is major or minor! I’m not saying this to minimize our role as beta testers, but to help get through issues without getting so invested in each report that we can’t get past it.
finite pumice
@orchid nexus I guess it's just that when the beta has gone on for so long, some of us are invested in the game. Being so close to launch, and continuing to see so many issues, and new issues being introduced whilst old ones are reported by new players over and over affects us and how we now experience both the game, and our role as testers. It is harder for some of us to remain completely neutral to the game, and not want to see some things fixed or addressed. Sure it's not our game, and we don't get to choose what gets fixed, and what bugs are evolved into features that we might think are bigger bugs. At the end of the day, what will be, will be. Does't mean we aren't affected along the way. I certainly have never seen my role as being someone who always has to spin a positive light on the game.
rotund quail
@thin orchid they put back the emote Thinking?
hollow compass
@orchid nexus please don’t message me in private asking me to edit my reply. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I am indeed invested in this game’s future, because I think it’s a unique and beautiful creation. That makes me both protective and critical of changes to the game, which I do think I am entitled to. That doesn’t mean I think I’m always right or that the developers have to listen to everything I say. I do however think that opening a game for beta testing should mean a willingness to admit when something isn’t working well, or at least to explain the thinking behind a major change.
hybrid terrace
Well, a new player would also be taken by surprise by this too, but they wouldn't consider it a change (not knowing any better) and instead see it as a new challenge
After I get my Season candles from Wasteland, I'm going back to Forest to see how this new threat changes my gameplay. So far I am curious, not discouraged. We'll see if that changes.
sullen lodge
can anyone help me
im stuck here for longer than i should, i cant seem to progress anywhere.
moving forward doesnt help
am i supposed to go back?
hybrid terrace
Not sure if you're encountering a bug or not, but moving forward is the goal in Storm
sullen lodge
yeah, but i cant seem to die and eventually give up
radiant drum
@sullen lodge how many stars do you have left?
hybrid terrace
Oof, sounds like a bug, then
sullen lodge
hmm
radiant drum
That's is a bug we have in beta right now :( try restarting your game and see if it gets fixed
If it doesn't, contact support and report it and you should get help soon
radiant drum
yes, but hopefully it will unstuck you
last time i had this bug, i got too keep all the stars I gave to the statues, but I'm not sure if that's always the case
sullen lodge
hmm, got it, i'll try to figure smth out
radiant drum
either way you should submit that in #beta-bugs-ios. Mention what device you're using and the problem and hopefully it will be fixed soon ^^
sullen lodge
my friend was with me and is apparently experiencing the same problem, we've restarted the game but now that we're back in homeisle none of the portals seem to be there, we canstill see flashes of lightning from eden
radiant drum
home portals and constellations are disabled while you're playing eden
sullen lodge
wait, so if we go back to eden we can jump in the same spot we were in then?
radiant drum
entering the door again should hopefully send you to the same spot you were in, yes
if it doesn't, that's another bug to report 😄
sullen lodge
that's nice, i was worried because this was our first run (second for mine, though) and it surprisingly went really well!
radiant drum
hopefully it ends well too!
sullen lodge
i hope so
finite pumice
@blazing stone I've ben reporting that black stone for over a year now.
wraith cedar
So basically I did the Eden run with @sullen lodge and I was able to ||be reborn||, I wasn’t stuck like him at the part where ||you’re supposed to die|| but now I seem to be stuck at home since the portals don’t work
And now I don’t know what I’m supposed to do
I tried restarting my game but it didn’t do anything
hardy shore
Well strike, did it work
sullen lodge
i restarted the game and ||i have died too, i got two star candles||
but yeah, ||im reborn and|| hav ethe same issue as bucket
||i cant get my winged cape again||
wraith cedar
Actually I know how to get that
If you go back to eden you can ||actually spend your candles there||
||Then the spirit you used the candle on will give you a winged light to get your cape back||
hardy shore
You lost your cape?
wraith cedar
Oof spoilers
sullen lodge
better spoiler tag it
hardy shore
There wouldnt have been any spoilers if i wasnt an idiot
sullen lodge
okay so i've tried going back to eden but all that happened was ||the reborn sequence again||
blazing stone
@finite pumice wow that’s weird. I’ve never noticed it before.
wraith cedar
I thought I might’ve fixed the issue by joining a random player and going back home but that didn’t work either
Maybe I should finish the level when I join a random player
sullen lodge
has this bug been experienced by anyone else before, if not we might have to report it so it can be fixed
radiant drum
that is a common bug in this new update :( it has been reported and i'm sure a fix will come soon, but sometimes you are not able to leave that "eden state"after finishing the level
sullen lodge
hmm, i guess we'll just wait until the bug is fixed then
radiant drum
if you can, warping to a random player might fix it, or downgrading to an earlier build. but because of the gratitude season, that will make you lose your seasonal candles, so i would just wait for a patch
sullen lodge
got it, thanks
sullen lodge
huh??
wraith cedar
Just join a random player, finish the level, and use the portal on the next aviary to go back home
Then the portals work again
sullen lodge
all your candles are preserved?
wraith cedar
Also when going through the levels I didn’t pick up any winged lights because I was worried it might bug out more stuff
Maybe it won’t, but just don’t do it to be sure
sullen lodge
alright
hybrid wedge
@sullen lodge Hopefully everything works like Bucket described. Sometimes though the random teleport doesn't show up when you're at home. Some other people have said that if that happens, go into Eden and that should activate it in the settings menu, and then you can do that whole sequence like Bucket described.
sullen lodge
i've just tried it now, and it worked, thank you to anyone who's helped :D
rotund quail
It's going to work, friend. Trust.
exotic gorge
Has anyone seen any upgrades in the new seasonals ive unlocked these 2 can anyone post pics of the others just wanted to know if they have upgrades like before
high ember
I just ran the new Storm/Eden and WOW. 😻 I mean, I got stuck with empty portals at the end - which I fixed by teleporting to a random and finishing the level - but bugs aside....WOW. I didn’t realize it had changed that much.
main ivy
Man, now that there's a fix with the random teleport I really gotta run Eden again!
exotic gorge
It really is amazing ran it 3 times already to get the max 6 candles 🕯
main ivy
Wow!
hybrid wedge
I'm going back in the next half-hour or so (give or take) @main ivy and anyone who wants to go. It just keeps getting more and more beautiful.
radiant drum
@hybrid wedge @main ivy count me in for an eden trip!
main ivy
Oh man :( I can't go right now though. Probably in several hours at the very earliest. Sorry, friends 💔
hybrid wedge
Drat.
Well, I'll definitely be going again later this week, star candles waiting for me or not, so if you need a krill shield friend to come along let me know.
rotund quail
I know that many will hate me for saying this but .... I think the storm is much easier now. I risk saying that forest may be more difficult than Storm after they change lose energy / stars hittinng things and because rain 😂
finite pumice
@rotund quail a long time back, the rain in the forest was quite rough on our energy. I think the balance there isn't too bad now with the way it depletes cape power. I do however think the star-loss mechanism is unnecessary and a sad development for the game.
I'm hoping to find my way into Storm tonight for the first time in what feels like months. I need to see it first hand as I feel like I'm having too many opinions based on what I'm reading and not on my experience of Storm. The trick will be getting in.
rotund quail
I did not feel a big challenge in the storm now. Going to forest with few stars seems to me to be more challenging. I think TGC wants us to take care that our flame never goes out.
smoky fossil
..
So in the game my name is Harry
And my friend just got us confused
She kept saying we discussed something and I had no memory ... now I know why
smoky fossil
Nah all good I just think it was funny
rotund quail
Its Nice to meet you
smoky fossil
Nice to meet you too Harry , from Harry
smoky fossil
How many Harry are there do you know
rotund quail
They have over than 7k ppl playing sky beta
smoky fossil
So I guess at least 70 Harry out there
rotund quail
I do not think we're the only ones
smoky fossil
If we take 1%
orchid nexus
Sounds like a beta suggestion in the works: limit the number of Harrys and implement a deathmatch system for anyone claiming the name. There Can Be Only One!
smoky fossil
I think it was you she saw tho , coz she sent me discord screenshot and finally solved the confusion
rotund quail
Good ideia
orchid nexus
For now we will have to settle with a hugging duel.
rotund quail
I really talk a lot here... Maybe she gets annoyed with so much hahaha
smoky fossil
2 Harry stand before me; the time has come for you to lip sync forrrrr yoooouuuuurrrrrr naaaaammmmme
rotund quail
Aare you Harry too @orchid nexus?
smoky fossil
@high ember oh hey jan ! Maybe I should look at discord sometimes . Some familiar faces ! Harry here
rotund quail
I hope met you in game Someday @smoky fossil
smoky fossil
I’m sure we will 😉 the light will lead us
radiant drum
@high ember please leave the discussion/help outside of #beta-bugs-ios. that channel needs to be bug reporting only
high ember
❓
They asked if there was a bug with the in-app recorder. I said yes and provided an alternative. How is that off topic in there?
main ivy
Bug channel is for reporting bugs specifically. Helpful info on alternatives should go in other channels, and you can @ the user who needed the info.
radiant drum
It's not off-topic, but it's not a bug submission. That channel must be kept clear of discussion and chatting. Like shira said, mention them in this channel with what you have to say
finite pumice
and this I think is discords major weakness as a bug reporting tool. the simple ability to have a threaded conversation about a bug report is so important to being able to flesh out a report with detail.
that said, it's what some are stuck with
main ivy
I think the threaded conversation may be what they're trying to avoid, haha
finite pumice
I doubt it. There is certainly an understandable desire to get away from FB, however finding an affordable decent alternative is not easy. I've done some research into this in the hopes of suggesting something but the only options I've found do no scale well whilst remaining cheap enough for a beta community. It's hard to go past the massive freedom FB give you in being able to post at will and with any size image or video. Its a shame that there is so much yuck that comes with that.
spark lance
All I can say about the updated Orbit is wow, so beautiful and we can hold hands almost the whole way through. I went outside late last night to look at real stars and I’m pretty sure I saw a chat bench up there. 😁
main ivy
If you ever need to upload larger video files, you could use Youtube links @finite pumice
radiant drum
New orbit is so, so, so beautiful! I still need to go a couple more times to take it all in
And new eden is very nice too. Better gameplay and it seems like the darkness issue was pretty much solved. I can't wait to see the final version
spark lance
Yes, I actually enjoyed the Eden hail gameplay. Not so brutal but still a good challenge.
finite pumice
@main ivy yes I did that once. I uploaded 24 posts (because that's what tends to happen when I spend 20 minutes in the app), and discovered that "slow mode" coupled with the ridiculous 2000 character limit just killed it for me. Discord is cool and all, and obviously works well as a chat room tool, but for anything serious it's the wrong tool.
radiant drum
@spark lance when you say you "can hold hands almost the whole way through", do you mean the whole orbit section, or the last flying bit?
spark lance
I guess perceptually it felt like so much more, so I may have overstated it. ||I think we were able to pick up again flying through the ancestors? || Need to do it more for many reasons.
radiant drum
Can you spoiler tag the part about ||flying with ancestors? It’s kind of old now but some people might not have seen it ^^||
spark lance
I was able to chirp my friend almost throughout which was nice.
radiant drum
I was with a friend today and we could only hold hands ||when flying towards the light in orbit|| it was very emotional!
Yeah, I really like how cooperation makes the level so much better and manageable! And more fun
umbral glade
So is the forest closed at the mo? I’m seeing the same issue with the door not opening to let me enter.
radiant drum
I haven’t been to forest today, but it seems a lot of people have that problem 
You could fly over the gate
spark lance
@radiant drum yes so emotional and close. TGC knows how to get to us!
radiant drum
Yeah they do 
umbral glade
Good idea @radiant drum thanks!
main ivy
Usually when the gate sticks for me I put away the candle, walk away, come back, and try again. Maybe this is a new bug and that doesn't work, but that's what worked for me in the past.
sour tinsel
Are we talking about it sticking partway? Because, if it’s about the lightstream not reaching the button to activate the gate, sometimes it’ll work if I change my candle’s angle.
spark lance
I tried it just now with several angles and relighting attempts, but no go. I was unable to fly over the gate without being flattened by the wind. Maybe I will teleport in.
OK I opened that gate after relogging in. Just needs some gate oil I guess.
I am a bit disappointed in the hue of the black cape. It’s not that black, and looks brown or dark gray depending on the level. I want it to be dark black and have a texture like a combination of black leather and velvet.
dusky marlin
@spark lance no way! I'm saving hearts for this cape, thought it's completely black :/
spark lance
It used to be true black, so hope it will again at some point.
hybrid wedge
Just here to give more love to the amazing new Orbit sequence. 10/10 will go again star candles at the end or not.
@humble fossil @spark lance, there's a way to get out of that Eden lock mode to make the doorways open up again. You should have the random teleport option in the main menu (tap the upper right hand corner, cog icon). If you don't have a random teleport option, it should appear on the menu again if you go back into Eye of Eden. Once you see it in your menu, tap on it to teleport to some random spot in the game. Not sure if you need to be in the level you're sent to a certain amount of time (maybe get a star kid if you can to get your cape back?), but go back home via a home gate or teleporting, and when you get back home the gates should all be open again.
Also, @spark lance it sounds like you were with the group I was in trying to get the door opened yesterday! I was so confused why the 5th person wasn't opening the door til they warned me about the bug and I realized they were trying to keep us from getting trapped. Hopefully next time we meet we won't get disconnected.
humble fossil
Thank you so much @hybrid wedge
hybrid wedge
Hope it works!
spark lance
@hybrid wedge Yes to spreading that Orbit love 💕 🌠
hybrid wedge
Different topic: Has anyone noticed that everything in Vault feels/is bigger now? My Skykid is normal height, but has to reach up to light the lanterns on the first level, and the center platform feels bigger too. I feel like I've shrunk.
spark lance
I hadn’t noticed this, but will pay more attention today.
humble fossil
I have actually. I took a photo of one of the floating lanterns cause I thought it looked like they were way bigger than before
spark lance
Wow, that much of a difference? It would be hard to miss.
hybrid wedge
Yeah, my kid has to stretch their arms to reach anything light in there now.
lusty light
Chibis can barely reach the lantern to light it lol
Even the meditation circle at the end is larger
spark lance
Maybe they can add a rock step.
umbral glade
Oh that makes me think some recent behavior might be a bug then…
lusty light
I don’t think it’s a bug they literally just upscaled the entire level so it takes a little bit more effort to do things
umbral glade
Gotcha. It just feels exceedingly tedious (where it did not before), but maybe that's another example where it's less fun to do alone.
hybrid wedge
I feels weird to have it upscaled though. 🤔
main ivy
Yeah that lantern is weird. We’re so used to regular size that is makes your brain go “now hold on a minute!”
umbral glade
🤯 Oh maybe it's "spirit scale" and not "kid scale"?
dusky marlin
@spark lanceHi :) is it possible for you to upload a pic of the black cape? 🙏🏻
spark lance
@dusky marlin, sure I'll put it in #screenshots-and-videos. I might screenshot it in a couple different levels to see if the variation shows in the photo.
hardy shore
How much does the green cape cost?
dusky marlin
@spark lance you are the best!!!
radiant drum
@vagrant solstice please keep discussions/help outside of #beta-bugs-ios. Mention the person in this channel with what you have to say
spark lance
@hardy shore ||the green cape is 15||
solar dragon
Putting this here so more people see it:
Regarding the Eden/Storm bug where you get stuck in home:
The team's aware of this bug and have been working on a fix. It should hopefully be fixed with our next update. I have also submitted all of your feedback and bug reports from over the weekend to the team, so thank you all who tested this weekend and was able to give us feedback. 
hybrid wedge
@pulsar blade, TGC has asked us to include what device we use in our bug reports. Can you include it in your post?
spark lance
Every time i get pinged in the #beta-announcements I got hyped but it only last two seconds. I’ll have to wait till July i guess 😢
hybrid wedge
@main ivy About the benches being messed up--you can still use them, but the person on the side without the icon has to sit using the emote button.
main ivy
Ugh I'm trying to do the vault seasonal quest right now and it is super not fun. The bigger sizes makes getting up hard (and getting up with any flight charge left even harder), the lack of swipe to fly/stop and the momentum makes it really difficult to land where I want, and if you fail your timer runs out and you have to start all over.
Also annoying to have the kid do the "I'm hopping up!" motion and no the platform moved, how about falling to the bottom instead
Also the camera and turning controls are conspiring against me, ha
wraith cedar
@umbral glade Hey, the screenshot you posted in #beta-bugs-ios, I was the guy in the back without the hat! I remember being there with you trying to light the unlightable candle
I was there with my friend as well
main ivy
Haha ❤ 🥞
I did finally get it. Just gotta get through the big ghost bit. Though darn it I just realized I forgot to grab the 4th candle bunch. Ugh. Wish there was a way to go back down.
main ivy
Yeah but with only such a short window I'm trying to gather max possible, see if I can be an antelope again. I'm not sure why I care. I know it's just going to be reset. But the little anxiety voice in the back of my head is going "What if the antelope mask is the one and only thing that transfers only! What if! You don't know! You'll miss your only chance and everyone else will have it but you won't!"
spark lance
Oh sure, that's the well-known antelope mask transfer phobia.
charred wedge
I really want to keep my pretty new cape, I forgot about the reset thing
spark lance
There's no telling how long you'll keep it in beta, but at least live won't reset.
empty inlet
To be straight, i don't think losing energy can cause you lose stars in everywhere needs adjustment, it needs to be removed, especially the punishment of hitting something. I see no benefit but only extending players playtime in a clumsy way.
spark glacier
You should of seen me trying to grab the seasonal emote today , I kept missing the platforms and had to start over, took me like 10 minute
spark lance
That one is making fools of all of us, @spark glacier. 😅
narrow arch
I’m in agreement with kanpai, I am personally don’t like the idea that the player is punished for hitting something.
No matter how sharp ones flying has become there’s always going to be those moment were we goof up or get stuck accidentally and it can feel a bit frustrating when it happens
orchid nexus
@narrow arch the bug report you entered: you actually got past the level trigger, so what you’re seeing is the fake cave entrance that you should only see from a distance. Sometimes this happens if you go back and forth through the transition. Sometimes you can avoid the trigger on purpose if you’re being clever.
narrow arch
Whoa really, I had no idea lol
Thanks for explaining, should I remove the bug report?
orchid nexus
You could amend to say that you were out of bounds. I’m sure they’ll know what they’re looking at tho.
But I thought you’d be interested to know what happened.
narrow arch
I am! Thank ya so much, I didn’t know you could avoid the tigger like that. I think it’s those clouds near the entrance I always accidentally get caught in them and cause me to enter and exit that area
radiant drum
Ive had level transitions not work on me sometimes, which is sad when you’re with friends usually you just need to go back and try to progress again, but that’s a bit difficult if you don’t know where the triggers are
umbral glade
@wraith cedar Haha yeah! Glad it wasn’t just me with the candle but we got it. 😆
hardy shore
what's the most efficient way to get hearts
radiant drum
Making friends! Usually when you give hearts to people, they will send one back 
or you can trade hearts with someone, but not as fun :p
main ivy
I've said it once, but I'll say it again: The issue with bumping taking your light isn't even one of lower-skill players being punished. That's an issue to, but it's not just making a mistake that punishes you. Whacking into stuff is legit a core flying mechanic. You cannot land on small platforms accurately and reliably, you slide right off. You have pretty much always slid right off. The best way to get on a small space when flying is to smack into the side and have your kid auto-hop up.
finite pumice
This new mechanic interferes with the ability to be unco, silly and just do dumb stuff for the fun of it. Imagine those who glitch and find themselves in water that drains.
radiant drum
@main ivy I always bump my head just below where I want to land and don’t have an issue losing any flight power doing so, has that been happening to you?
main ivy
Yep. Last time it happened it was a small bonk, had to be watching the flight meter since I was moving pretty slow at the time, but it did bonk me.
radiant drum
Even when I purposefully hit a wall at full speed to test the new feature, it didn’t seem to really drain much or at all at times
I think it just needs refinement and some adjustments
main ivy
I wonder if it's sorta unreliable. I wouldn't be surprised if it acted really differently in different levels or with different objects, it being new.
radiant drum
I think it is because it’s new and we might see it change quite a bit so it’s at least consistent
finite pumice
Great time to be introducing a new feature that requires tuning. 😐
pulsar blade
@hybrid wedge iphone7 plus. downloading bug. repetitive downloads after download was done. sometimes randomly downloading any areas. it always starts with audio downloads.
orchid nexus
@tulip moat in your #wishlist-and-ideas-archived you mentioned hold and drag on emote. Dragging doesn’t have any effect. Just hold to cycle through the emote variants.
umbral glade
I love all of those ideas @tulip moat. I also like that it would kind of be a better method of my “voices and stance stick” idea. Then everyone wouldn’t have to do that but someone like me could.
With the emote versions I find that I go for the same version a lot, so it’d be cool if that just stuck around. “Oh, you use emote 4 here so just pressing the button will do that.”
spark lance
@meager summit I read your beta bug about that Vault emote not working for you. Are you sure you're on the latest update, 0.4.10 (136188)? That update resolved the issue.
lusty light
Also note that praying doesn’t get you the emote instantly you have to pray for a while
tulip moat
Omg @orchid nexus, I have no idea how I haven’t realized that. I’ve been trying to drag my finger to the right after pressing an emote this whole time. Life makes more sense now. And @umbral glade I tried to add a reaction to your post in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived but the discord wouldn’t let me. Regardless, I like your idea as well
orchid nexus
That's my job: Make Sense of Life.
empty inlet
Today I found my iPad swollen in the middle when I'm playing sky...
I used to put it in case so I didn't notice that
Maybe it's time for me to get a new one
9.7" with A9X is already out of date I guess
orchid nexus
Swollen in the middle sounds... not good!
umbral glade
@tulip moat I think the slow mode affects reactions too? Likewise with your post there. 😆
empty inlet
That scared me too
umbral glade
Also sorry I missed you last night… seems like no one could meet in the game. Next time!
still verge
swollen ipad means probability of swollen battery!
keep it away from you, don’t charge it overnight and keep it away from any electronics
still verge
exactly
i recommend the 2018 ipad if you like the big ones
2019 ipad mini if you’re liking the small ones
and if you have the budget, the new ipad pro
empty inlet
i love the four speaker audio
meager summit
@spark lance yep, I’m on the latest version
sour tinsel
I play the game on Ipad 2018. It performs very well, and the experience has not failed on a hardware level. 😃
If you want a recommendation I recommend the Ipad 2018.
Last I checked, you can get a bigger bang for your buck buying it over the 2019 ipad mini - last time I checked that is.
warm timber
Is that the iPad 6?
sour tinsel
I’m not sure. There’s been so many generations of Ipads, I get them mixed up.
warm timber
Good point
rotund quail
@radiant drum i want to check some bug with your help. Please, send a DM to me
still verge
ipad mini 5
both ipads have apple pencil 1 support
i’d recommend spending the extra 80 usd to buy the mini 5 instead of the ipad 2018, because the mini has the a12 processer where the ipad has a11
it’s all up to you really
spark lance
I have iPad Mini 5 and it is fast. To me it's the ideal device for Sky.
hybrid wedge
@hearty wagon You may already know this, but for the emote you can't access in home space--did you watch the cutscene at the end of Prairied after getting the emote? That's needed before you can view the emote spirit in home.
hearty wagon
@hybrid wedge Oh hmm
Ohhh, I get what you're saying. No I haven't gone back and watched that cutscene! Thanks!
edited^
hybrid wedge
It's usually skippable, although as of the previous build you couldn't skip it if you were watching it the first time after going through Eye of Eden.
hearty wagon
should really be something that explains that...
just a message that says "hey go do the thing" when I try to tap it from home
hybrid wedge
Yeah, a lot of people have been confused about that. It's not really obvious or clear that that's a necessary step.
hearty wagon
alrighty, removed that bug. I've got another question. When looking at a constellation, is every star an emote I need to find?
I'm missing two here? with the third being a reward once I find them?
finite pumice
@empty inlet if the battery is swollen, then I would make an attempt to get Apple to fix it for free. Thats a defect, and not a result of it being old. Something with an A9X in it isn't that incredibly old. if the battery were just not charging anymore, then yep, get a new one, but with it being swollen, I'd try to get it fixed. even if it is (and it will be) out of warranty, Apple should see that as a defect on their part. Worth a try I'd reckon.
empty inlet
Wow thanks for your advice@finite pumice ! I’ll try it
orchid nexus
@hearty wagon not all stars in all constellations are emotes. That makes it a little confusing, but in the image you posted above, you are missing 2 emotes from prairie. Once you fully unlock all collectibles in every emote menu, the center star should offer you a surprise.
hearty wagon
gotcha, thanks
tulip moat
So this is happening, idk what it is. Does anyone?
hybrid wedge
@sour tinsel Let's discuss it here. ^^
The main issue I have with the flight mechanics isn't that there's an icon for closed and open wing modes (in part because I'm trusting that's an intermediate step towards something else, but who knows, that's a different topic—moving on—), it's that there are many places in the game that closed wing mode just isn't available. It doesn't show on the screen, and tapping on the screen or whatever doesn't get it to show. I do often use closed wing mode as I approach where I want to land when the icon shows. When it doesn't—like in the area of Vault I described in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived—then I can't switch.
You asked if I use one-handed or two-handed. I use both! Honestly I prefer one-handed because I play on an iPad and I find it easier to not hold the device, and my left hand is clumsier than my right hand . But there have been bugs for maybe the last month or so where the screen is less responsive in one-handed mode—I don't take off or flap my wings when I press the screen, or I have to flick the screen two or three times to get my kid to move. So I've been playing two-handed for now.
orchid nexus
I agree about the flight mode switch: I want the option at all times, and prefer no auto-switching. I've gotten used to switching modes, so when that control is taken away it's confusing and makes me panic and crash into walls 
empty inlet
crash into walls: another catastrophe
empty inlet
I think it is kind of inefficient to make adjustment in every area or even every part of the area. The control is not satisfying and can be expressed as, hard to take off from cliffs, hard to speed up in race, hard to move when floating in the air (especially in small space), hard to get down in some updrafts or butterflies fields, or hard to lifting height. I didn't play 0.4.10 much so maybe these are out of date. But my (another) point is, there might be so much work to refine the control on where these happens. And me too feel tired to make a list of where and how I feel unsatisfied.
orchid nexus
@sour tinsel to your bug report about eden locking all the home gates: use the “warp to random player” function and then play through whatever level you end up in. When you return home the gates should be back to normal.
sour tinsel
Thanks, @orchid nexus! 😊
finite pumice
@orchid nexus that worked for me, though landing in the last part of Forest without a cape is a bit hard to keep a star with so much rain and water around. I managed though.
lusty light
@orchid nexus I saw that clipping texture bug once and was just like oh ok
One of the bridge segments was just in the air before I activated the bridge
orchid nexus
I imagine it's something about the order of things you activate, where you enter the level, or any of various other level-state things the conspired to accidentally pop in a duplicate, or somehow render collision geometry when that should be invisible.
lusty light
I was alone when it happened I think
It was a darker gray color than the bridge
I never thought of the bridge pieces actually being two separate models after it moves
orchid nexus
Sounds like a tricky esscape @finite pumice! I was fortunate to have my cape after warping to a rando, and would be stressed running around in the water! I might even go back home and try for a safer level
@lusty light I recognize the flicker because I do 3D work a lot. That's just what GPUs do when geometry overlaps exactly. They throw a fit and can't decide which tirangles belong in front of which. Basically like thousands of coin-tosses.
distant shuttle
😂😂😂😂 Happy Wednesday to all 🙌🏼🙌🏼 finish your day strong peeps.
Made these, the urge is low key strong with this one
thin orchid
Am i the only one who sees this flight mode button as falling button? Especially while it almost always appears when i bump into something and start falling...
finite pumice
@thin orchid I'm not a fan of the button at all. if anything I think it would be better to have it toggle between intuitive gesture based flight like we had before and tricks flight so that we could stall with a flick down like we used to. and I'm not saying this means reverting to pre 0.4.6 flight (but that would be ideal imo), just turn the button into something for tricks instead of letting the ability to do tricks be more important than intuitive flight.
hollow compass
I literally never use the button.
spark glacier
I use it to help me land if I’m going in to fast and need to slow down, I’m a clumsy person at heart..
I almost like to think of the button like “air breaks”
north dagger
Getting that one winged light at the beginning of The Hidden Forest, the button sometimes helps
spark glacier
Cause they go into s hover mode so if your flying and you press it they kinda turn their cape against the wind to slow the momentum, It’s so smooth to watch sometimes
spark lance
I can’t play well without the button, and use it 95% of the time I’m in the air.
finite pumice
@spark lance agreed about that survey. I got it too.
finite pumice
Regarding the button; why if the button were removed again , is it so hard to flick down to swap from flight to stall mode? The button requires sighting it and actually having it on the screen. A flick could be anywhere on the screen making it easier to access when you need it. And then to swap back to flight just swipe up(forward). We had this even post 0.4.6 but we now have silly tricks instead
spark lance
This may be weird, but I LOVE to shoot out of the Wasteland lobby volcano as fast as I can, but hitting this invisible wall is such a smack-down (audibly!). Can we please fly freely through there? Maybe we can even fly high enough again to fly through the hole in the clouds near the moon again. Sigh.
sour tinsel
[This is a message to respond to Cassavey from the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived]
I know it may appear like the devs aren’t listening to Facebook testers, @quiet citrus, but I’m sure the team is listening more than some realize. I’m a Facebook beta tester too. I know how it feels to think we’re unheard. I can say I’ve been in their shoes. However, there’s an easy fault we beta testers can fall into, and I have fallen into it myself before. It’s too easy to forget that we don’t own the game. We are a key part in Sky’s development. That’s true, but that’s not the same as being its creator. We don’t have the full vision TGC meant for it to be, nor can we really understand the intended destination because we aren’t in the driver’s seat. 😌 The trick is, we have to hold our suggestions with a loose hand - easy to let go if not accepted yet amazing if accepted. If we all can remember that, then we can spare ourselves a lot of heartache. Then, once the day of launch arrives, we can all step back. Clear our heads as though we are brand new to the game, and experience it for the value it truly has - the way it truly was meant to be. ☺️
Besides, even if a suggestion isn’t obviously applied, that doesn’t mean the suggestion was useless. You can be surprise how much influence the devs take from unused suggestions. It’s just a lot more nuanced and subtle. I’ve noticed it happen myself with some of my suggestions. It just took a magnifying glass to recognize sometimes. 😉
quiet citrus
@sour tinsel Thank you for the response. I respectfully disagree, as I've been part of the beta from the beginning and seen beta testers feedback have an impact - up until about 3-4 months ago.
sour tinsel
You have a right to feel that way. I’m just bringing up that I have (in a subtler way) watched them apply suggestions very recently. Not all of them, but they are hearing and learning even now. hugs
finite pumice
@quiet citrus I have to agree with @sour tinsel on this. I know I’m very vocal in my opinions and I’d like to see some things fixed before release. I’m certain that TGC are indeed seeing everything posted here and on the FB group however it’s impossible for them to respond directly to everything and as @sour tinsel says they can’t make everyone happy. I’m saddened by some of the changes over the past 4 months too. I think some of us will very likely say goodbye once it launches because I believe that the direction won’t change significantly in the ways we’d hoped for in the next 10 days.
The news about scaling back the filter is saddening.
sharp pumice
I'd really like to be able to say "Winterfuchs" in full sentences in the game again ^^,,,
wraith cedar
I don’t think the news about scaling back the filter is saddening at all, because I’ve had a LOT of instances where totally normal sentences were red texted for seemingly no reason, both from me and my friends
This for example, I thought I couldn’t say yikes but it seems the issue lies with "a lot"
charred wedge
I didn't even know that that was filter blocking it, I thought it just didn't go through or something
wraith cedar
Because of the news I’ll try to screenshot more of the red texts to help improve the filter
sharp pumice
this the right place for it? then I'll post more on that too... tomorrow... after sleep... and work... and dinner... ^^,
wraith cedar
I’m not sure, they didn’t specify where to put these kinds of things, but since they’re not really bugs I thought this would be the best place to post it
spark lance
If it's any consolation, when I see your name in my Home constellation as "Winter", I say Winterfuchs.
quiet citrus
Thank you @sour tinsel and @finite pumice 💖 I appreciate your thoughts
And Peter, I agree with you. I think many veteran beta testers (likely including myself) will not want to play at launch due to the way the game has been altered.
finite pumice
It’s sad but then it’s not our game, it’s theirs.
quiet citrus
I guess so. Though it seems a bit odd to me to intentionally make a social game that's supposed to be different from other mobile games, then not listen to feedback from dedicated fans that are insisting on things that directly contradict that vision. 😔
finite pumice
I think they’ve realized that for the game to be financially successful they need to fit the mould and the result is that some of the original goals (and our hopes) have been compromised. It’s now essentially another mobile game instead of a gaming experience in the way Journey was
hybrid wedge
Some of the mobile games I've played include Sworcery, Machinarium, Eufloria (totally a game about genocide but that's another topic), a Candy Crush knock-off, a Diner Dash knock-off, The Organ Trail, Plague Inc., Neko Atsume, Broken Age, QatQi, and a few others I've deleted and forgotten. I can't say that Sky is "just another" one of these. I may not understand what you mean by the gaming experience term, but after having played through the levels and seen these most recent versions of Eye of Eden and Orbit—Sky is most definitely a gaming experience. It can be put down after five minutes, yes. It can be just 20 minutes to do seasonal quests and log off. But it can also take you on emotional highs and lows with a complete stranger in a different, parallel way to Journey, still make you stop and just take in the beauty, still leave you humming the music.
hazy shale
I agree with @hybrid wedge just this week Sky has given me a huge spectrum of emotions. I met players over the past 17 months who have become real life friends. People who have seriously changed my life for the better. Sky is unlike any other mobile game I’ve played. I wont make a list of all the mobile games I’ve played with social interaction because they’re incomparable Sky. I am a veteran player who will play once it launches. 💕
finite pumice
Hmm I think now I haven’t expressed myself well. I’ll delete that bit because re reading it, and your responses leaves me feeling like I’ve not said what I meant. And my storm run has changed things a bit.
north dagger
Where you one of the ones that helped open the door earlier? If it was then thanks.
finite pumice
@hybrid wedge actually I was lectured last night my my 18yo about Sworcery. I let her play that at about 10yo. She loved it but the ending still haunts her and it seems I wasn’t being a good parent by letting her have that game so young.
hybrid wedge
Confession: I haven't actually finished it. The time I was playing it, life happened, my iPad got put down, etc. etc. But now you have me intrigued again haha!
spark glacier
so when i was invited to the alpha last year, I was going through a very very rough time, I was depressed and work wasn't really cutting out for me, I felt lonely and trapped in my state, When I played this game it really picked me up, Some of the people I met on here I have been in contact since alpha. as funny as this sounds this game has become a very good source of my daily happiness (including this wonderful community as well ) I really believe in the direction this game is trying to go. It has been life changing in many ways for me as well ^^.
distant shuttle
CHIN UP DEMO 🙌🏼 . Hope this year goes better for you.
narrow arch
So I know I’m still fairly new to the beta and I haven’t been with the game as long as some of ya’ll but I feel truly lucky to not only get to play a pretty amazing and beautiful game (gives me some good nostalgia feels from playing Journey for the first time) but that the community here is so warm and welcoming!
I’ve been in my fair share of discord chats in the past and I’m a fairly anxious person so most of the time I just awkwardly lurk for a while before disappearing into the void, I don’t know what it is about this community but it makes me feel welcome and not so scared to join in the conversation.
So I know I’m being a sap but thanks ya’ll for being great people
sour tinsel
@narrow arch Welcome to the Sky family! 😊💕
solar dragon
Thank you for sharing that with us, Mel! I've shared your words with the team because they're so incredibly inspiring. For what it's worth, I have anxiety too. This community is very special, and welcoming in a way I have never experienced before either. 💞
hollow compass
I think we're forgetting that our little world of beta testing has been a closed off playground, mostly safe from trolls and mean people. Once this game is released, new players will arrive who may not be aware of the original altruistic concept of the game.
This will be especially true, if the game ends up being more about collecting and farming than socialising and helping others.
For myself, I find the lack of purpose and story to be the breaking point. I am beginning to get bored with the repetitiveness of it all. I have seen most of the oob places, I have collected everything and then had it taken away, and now I find myself hard pressed to try and collect it again.
spark lance
Wih this last update I see that friends removed long ago now have an empty friend menu. On the one hand I can understand why someone would want this disabled. But for those of us who removed friends and now wish to restore them, it was helpful to have the renaming function from that menu.
dusky marlin
@spark glacier I had the same experience! It really helped me get out of my head ❤️
trim skiff
Ok so i have JUST finished the forest since the reset (I have a 2yo and a 3 week old 😬) 1. Why in the world am I losing cape power for sliding down the slope at the beginning of the race level??? I didn’t bump into anything even. 2. This has gotten so much better since I had to stop playing due to the nausea. Coming back after a long break really makes you appreciate what they’ve gotten right in this game. 3. So glad it’s not making you start levels over every time now as I have to leave every 5 minutes. 4. Due to the aforementioned leaving every 5 minutes, it’s pretty much impossible for me to cooperate with other players. I do wish there were more single player options for community tasks. I get that the game is trying to force community cooperation, but some of us just don’t have that option 😕
spark lance
@trim skiff Maybe we can help with the shared tasks. Let us know in #beta-looking-for-group if you want help with opening doors and related tasks.
umbral glade
@trim skiff I have four kids, and my youngest is just a month old. I know what you mean! I've been so pleased to find others who can help at all hours. 😆 Last night I actually had a block of time to get some help with something I needed a group for and even then I had to cut and run early because one of the kids woke up. 😅 The struggle is real!
chilly tendon
umm does anyone know how to ||break free from the dark Home?|| I finished storm and ||my home gets stuck in dark mode where the portals aren't open, and I can't access the constallation.|| It was already submitted in the beta bugs channel but I was wondering if anyone that had this problem already broke free from it.
north dagger
Go to your settings (top right corner) and join a random game, play through the area and it should be fixed
hybrid wedge
So, yesterday I finally got around to playing Forest solo with the new damage feature. I believe I currently have 5 cape bars. Losing a star after losing your light is frigging annoying, but also easily avoidable. I realized just how many places there are throughout the areas of the level to recharge even if you venture off the main path a bit. The areas that are too far from the jellyfish and glowing fungus are off limits til you get a friend to team up with. I think though that a more experienced player can build up enough cape bars and memory of the areas where it ultimately won't be an obstacle to solo play. Doesn't stop the star loss from being annoying, but if that change remains, I don't think it's a permanent shut-down for solo players.
chilly tendon
@north dagger it worked, thank you so much! 
north dagger
Your welcome!
tulip moat
Gonna be talking about Eden, so obviously spoilers ahead:
||when you reach the final stage, the area where you can give back winged light, is there a way to traverse through while keeping your flame alive? Every time I’ve gone it’s been a bull rush to give back as much as possible, but on my latest run I saw some folks taking it slow and they seemed to still have their light for quite some time. I know it’s impossible to “stay alive” forever, I just wanna know if there is another way||
Thanks for any help y’all can give this overly-eager player
north dagger
I doubt there is a way, its just supposed to happen
spark glacier
In one of my runs @tulip moat || I tried even just b-lining to see if anything would happen (obviously at the loss of candles) and at a certain point you just fall over and get pushed back ||
The things I do for science u.u
tulip moat
Yeah that’s kinda what I do, I ||ignore the lights along the way and just go. Idk if that is the best/better strategy, but it is mine||
umbral glade
||Were people huddling and sharing their light? The one time I went y’all taught me that. I assume you mean something else.||
wraith cedar
Random red texts I encountered today
And a red text that is separate from the others because it is in Dutch, which me and my friend are. It says "Haha surprise I’m still alive" but I can see the part where the filter thinks it’s inappropriate
finite pumice
@empty inlet agreed. If players are forced to use workarounds from day 1 then there’s a problem. We brush these off as not being a big deal but they are for a polished, for-sale product.
finite pumice
Did anyone else get a TestFlight notification in the last 12 hours for build 0.4.10 (136188)? Weird.
warm timber
I wish I had one T^T
hybrid wedge
@finite pumice Is that the current build?
spark lance
We've received those misfires in the past.
You get all excited there's a new update, but no ...
hybrid wedge
Way back when, didn't this kind of misfire where it notified you about the current build happen right before an actual update?
(My wishful thinking may be showing )
ancient nexus
so sorry to bother, but are we supposed to be able to light someone (a spirit) up after we complete the flying quest where we collect the blue light or must we complete something else? it's the quest found at the right side of the citadel area when you enter. im so confused
it's this one
hybrid wedge
@ancient nexus Not a bother at all! If you've collected all the blue lights, there should be a flame icon above that statue in order to light it. Looks like you might have a bug. I don't know if this will work, but if you can't burn the darkness off the spirit, try opening your emote menu and then selecting the flame icon near the top of the menu and then holding that candle near the figure.
spark lance
@hybrid wedge Right there with you on wishful thinking. For me, the anticipation of Sky updates still carries a thrill bordering on psychotic obsession.
ancient nexus
@hybrid wedge i've just tried it and unfortunately it couldn't work again t.t i guess i'll have to report a bug.. thank you so much for helping me anyways!!
hybrid wedge
Drat, sorry it didn't work!
smoky fossil
So any star upgrade in the seasonal spirit this round ?
I have two left. The others do not have star upgrades
finite pumice
@hybrid wedge yes it is. thats what made it odd, to get it 6 days after. And yes @spark lance I have the same hopes...
@solar dragon could we please request that if you want to drop a new version for the livestream, that you do so well before it, and perhaps let us know here and on the FB group. That will allow us to be more in synch with what you're talking about in the stream.
high ember
Sage doesn’t appear to be playing any more. I haven’t seen her in at least two weeks and this is what I get when I pull her avatar down in the constellation.
NOOOOO 😭😭😭
main ivy
@high ember Might be that she hasn't played post-reset. When you click a friend that hasn't played post-reset, things get a little weird haha
ancient nexus
omg? is there fall damage? i was on top of the palace thingy in the isle of dawn and i jump off and flew straight down and kinda hit the edge of the pillar and suddenly i lost my colour and my flight bar icon became the star icon :< that hurt a ton!
high ember
I think if you just jump and fall feet first, there’s no damage, but if you FLY into something, even straight down, you lose energy based on how hard you hit.
finite pumice
@high ember excellent sleuthing on the Eden ending bug.
main ivy
@hardy shore Can you not burn any plants or just some plants? If you don't have enough power, there are some plants you can't burn.
ancient nexus
@high ember i see.. thank you! i guess i'll have to be more careful now hahah
ancient nexus
@CaveHeok#2408 i tried your advice which was posted here on how to get out of post-eden dark home where i have no stars and no cape and the stages are inactive. the map it brought me to was golden wasteland. rip...
actually i played it and i tried to see what would happen if i had no stars, no cape, and no flame, and if i was attacked by the krill. i have some videos and actually, i sometimes dont even get seen by it although im under its sight. if i do get seen by it, i get attacked, get pushed and blown away, but nothing else happens. i dont die or lose any stars since i have nothing to lose anyways
anyone need help with the seasonal emote in wasteland? im practically immortal xD (edit: nvm, i have my cape now :D)
north coral
Does anyone know how many seasonal candles show up in a stage? I never know if I’ve found them all.
hollow compass
I think four.
rotund quail
@ancient nexus I can help you, but you have to finish Westland to Activate the gates. After that we can met in Home and get this emote together
@north coral i think @hollow compass is right. Try ask in #questions-and-help and some veteran player can help you.
north dagger
@ancient nexus If you lose all your flame, the krill don’t actually attack you, they want some of that sweet sweet light!
ancient nexus
@rotund quail oh no, i already have the emote. i was just asking if anybody needed help in getting it :P
@north dagger ah that makes so much more sense...
north coral
Oh ok. Sorry!
hollow compass
Except sometimes they attack you anyway.
@rotund quail I’ve been playing since August last year, so I think I’m probably a veteran. 😉
orchid nexus
There's an important difference between losing flame to water, vs. losing it to krill: if you go dark in the water, you still look like yourself, just dark. If the krill hit you, you go all shadow-stranger mode. If you lose your flame in the water, krill can still attack you.
lusty light
And you get covered by rocks and lose chibi look 🤧
orchid nexus
And yes, cloudberry is right: it's always 4 bunches of season candles. Sometimes some generous player posts spoiler pictures of where they all are on a given day 
umbral glade
Oh, I thought it said somewhere that it was 2–4?
hybrid wedge
The season candles are always four bunches so that you can forge a new season candle. The bonfire candle stacks are the ones that are "up to 4."
spark lance
@hybrid wedge Bonfire candles, I like that name to distinguish them.
orchid nexus
thiccandles
umbral glade
Ah whoops! Thanks @hybrid wedge
hollow compass
Lol
charred wedge
Hey, what's the fix for post-Eden being unable to go through any gates? I finished Eden, then it was no gates so I went in again and finished, and again, and again.
umbral glade
It's been mentioned here that you can use the Settings menu to jump to a random player's game, then leave there to go back home.
solar dragon
From @finite pumice:
could we please request that if you want to drop a new version for the livestream, that you do so well before it, and perhaps let us know here and on the FB group. That will allow us to be more in synch with what you're talking about in the stream.
Today's livestream is not Beta-specific, and no game will be played. It's just a very general, broadly Sky Q&A for anyone who has a question about Sky. 😊
If it's a Play with the Devs livestream, we will endeavor to make sure we are clear about the version of Sky we're on as soon as we know those details, but after launch, those livestreams will be primarily global release version of Sky and not the Beta.
On the note of livestreams, outside of next week (holiday for the US), we will be planning to do a livestream every Friday. Right now, we alternate between Q&As and Play with the Devs, with occasional Update livestreams.
Are there other types of streams the community would like to see TGC explore? I think the team wants to really have more fun with them. 😃
orchid nexus
Concept art disscussion and/or brainstorming stream. Talk about design philosophy for visuals, and make a quick piece of art on stream. Sketch of some imaginary creature that might live in the world and encourage members here to make art on the same theme.
main ivy
Ooh man, I'd love to see that
solar dragon
Wow, yeah.. I also would love to see that. Awesome suggestion! I'll talk to the team to see if we can get something like that rolling soon.
spark lance
Lemme hop in the beta
sour tinsel
I second Axel’s motion. 😁
umbral glade
Since I'm a very late beta tester I'd love the devs to talk through some of the iterations and thoughts along the way as they developed the game. I imagine the casual players who haven't played it before it's out might enjoy that too. (I've heard bits and pieces just from reading here and it sounds like there have been some interesting changes!)
I missed the last one but I'd love to hear each person's favorite things about the game—favorite kingdom, favorite accessories, emotes, etc. There's a lot to enjoy so I imagine there would be a variety of answers!
main ivy
If you have any specific questions about the history of the beta, I could probably answer those! Obviously not developer insights, but I have been here through all the beta.
umbral glade
Thanks! Nothing too specific off the top of my head, but I'll take you up on that.
north dagger
Maybe YouTube streams? Some people don’t have Facebook and neither do I 😦
main ivy
Last I heard, they were thinking about non-Facebook options, but the team has just been too busy to set that up right now. In the meantime, Alexdolly usually rebroadcasts the streams on his Twitch channel.
solar dragon
We're looking to add Twitch for our next livestream, @north dagger 😊 Facebook hasn't been playing very nice lately
finite pumice
given the problems you had this morning, there was still a lot of good Q&A in there.
warm timber
I just wanna play the game T^T。
(;´༎ຶД༎ຶ`)
umbral glade
@rotund quail That candle in flight bug you mentioned sounds like the same thing I noticed. You lose control of your kid for like 5 seconds when you “candle up”. Is that new? I thought it was just that the animation changed from “holding a new candle”.
warm timber
No matter which way, beta or realece
umbral glade
@warm timber Are you possibly in a country where it’s already live? I forget where but it’s just not out yet worldwide. Check your local App Store? 😝
spark lance
@umbral glade I noticed there’s a longer delay now with forging a candle too, maybe too long because it prevents us from moving.
warm timber
Nooo I live in America so I don’t have it yet (;´༎ຶД༎ຶ`)
spark lance
UPDATE’S HERE!
spark lance
Eden fix works, yay. And Orbit is just geting better and better.
empty inlet
Good to hear
umbral glade
Only my second time going through Orbit. Gorgeous!
warm pewter
How is the damage stuff now?
main ivy
I guess that means the damage is intentional... I'm a little sad. Something I really loved about Sky was hitting stuff and bouncing off with that cute little ding! to tell you it was okay.
Not to mention what I've said before about smacking into stuff being the main way to get your kid on small platforms.
Anyone who played the original version of mountains and tried to light the candles on the pillars in what is now the ice skating rink knows what I'm talking about with that. There was just absolutely no way to land on those without smacking into them.
empty inlet
Now it just not worth it at all for that little wax
Flying around those pillars has always been a disaster and got little improve. To know how the flight system improved or worsened? Just try around those pillars. That's what I did.
orchid nexus
I still smack into things to land, and get by just fine.
And the bigger pillars in the citadel, sometimes they are challenging but what’s wrong with a little challenge?
empty inlet
Not thing wrong with a little challenge, but something wrong with the flying.
You can't tell where and in what situation your wing is automatically opened and where you can freely goes up or close your wing
orchid nexus
I can tell most of the time when the auto-open will happen, but I’d prefer to have control be the same at all times: always manual.
empty inlet
I mean around those pillars
hybrid wedge
@empty inlet I thought that a couple builds ago the wing mode was made completely manual in the Citadel area.
empty inlet
Yeah I realized that when I was playing on Mac
hybrid wedge
Your Mac version still works???
empty inlet
No
But back to then
Before the reset
But somehow control around the pillars is still a mess, maybe they're too close to the mountain or the cloud?
I see the control in that tiny area as a representative of the whole game. I know it seems not fair but in fact many frustrations you have there also happens a lot throughout the whole game
rotund quail
@umbral glade previously you can't move if you are in the ground/floor but, in the previous versions, if you flying, you still on control of your child when make candle. It's like upgrades your cape power in the air, you don't loose control even animation
finite pumice
It was great to get some answers but really, the answer about the button being the best they've come up with so far is so far from reality it was frustrating to hear. Speaking of the pillars, prior to the flight and control nerfing, landing on those was still a challenge but it was easily possible with the lovely way the flick gestures allowed one to control speed and descent. Right now I really strongly feel that if they were to swap the button to do tricks or not tricks, and then when "not tricks" is enabled, the flick down could be used to stall, or swap to "helicopter" mode we'd have an approximation of what we had before the nerfing that would be acceptable in 1-handed mode. It would give us all of the control we have now without needing to actually look at the screen. I know some people love the tricks, and yes I thought they were neat for five minutes when I first saw them, but really, now I just want to be able to fly with control, and blow the tricks. @orchid nexus you've said you fly just fine, but if you're routinely using "smack into wall" as a control mechanism, then you've just accepted the poor controls and accept that stopping by hitting a wall is OK. As a programmer, I'm convinced that the actions of the button, and of the flick down to do a flip could without much work be re-programmed to swap their roles. They could just give us an option in 1-handed mode to make this choice. The frustrating thing for me, is that even if they did everything I've asked above, it still would only be 80% of what we had prior to the nerfing. Yes @empty inlet the pillars are a good place to test with. There are so many invisible lifts and push downs in the citadel it is difficult to know who is actually flying some of the time.
p.s I don't know how not to be verbose. sorry.
orchid nexus
@finite pumice since way before the flight leveling overhaul I was using "bump into the top corner of something" to land. It's not settling for bad design, it's working as intended, and hasn't changed as long as I can remember. If you don't do that, you slide right off the other side if you're going fast. I put a video of those pillars in #screenshots-and-videos that I recorded just now. It shows a few different approaches to the pillars:
- land in hover mode.
- fly right over to collect light.
- hover mode, longer descent.
- hitting too low and barely getting onto the pillar (oops 😉 )
- better angle, hitting the top corner with *ding* and no damage taken.
6 and 7. landing in hover again, not super difficult, but takes some practice to git gud. - too low *ding* attack, but barely recovered.
@empty inlet it's not auto-switching modes here anymore, but there's some difficulty with what feels like a downdraft in places. I think it might be one of the more difficult places to fly accurately, and most places don't require precision landings, so for me it's not representative of the whole game, it's a special challenge. The tiny pillars were even harder to land on way back when.
hollow compass
I have to ask, when flying in Forest using the birds for recharge, does anyone else experience that the press-to-charge/lift stops working after a while?
it's as if the game doesn't recognise more that x number of presses
I may even have a fully charge cape and I still can't rise
finite pumice
@hollow compass I’ve not registered that. For sure sometimes the press to lift is hard to activate. I play on phone and now that the left side is also sensitive I find that holding the left so I can use the right doesn’t always work. I wonder if it’s a combination of the left touch interfering with the right?
@orchid nexus that is some seriously nice control.
hollow compass
@finite pumice I play one-handed, so I only ever use the right-hand side of the screen
finite pumice
@hollow compass same but fir a few updates now the 1-handed seems to mirror the controls on both sides. It’s really annoying when I’m holding the left side and my finger there registers as a flap.
Watch this polishing goodness. This is just beautiful.
I’d be happy if in 1-handed mode we could say which side.
So we seem to have a new invite thingy. I’ve never understood how the entire invite thing worked. Perhaps on the first use of it an instructional page could be displayed?
hybrid wedge
@hollow compass The invite code only works of the other person also plays beta.
I've been having what sounds like the same problem with the screen sometimes being unresponsive in one-handed mode. It can take several flicks before my kid moves, or sometimes I press on the screen to fly or flap and nothing happens.
Two-handed mode doesn't have this problem, so I've been using that a lot for the past few weeks.
hollow compass
@hybrid wedge oh, so it’s only to become friends within the beta, ok
umbral glade
@finite pumice Glad that spirit isn’t just something I did. Guess it’s a new bug.
@pearl mica Did someone send you light or gift you a heart? Usually the left and right arrows will have the red dot and paging through will show where the “new” thing is.
empty inlet
Wow! They fixed Mac!
lusty light
@hollow compass getting two skip buttons isn’t a bug every elder cutscene does that now because it’s two cutscenes
- You giving light to the elder
- You freeing the spirits to the constellation that you’ve collected in the level
noble wadi
If you’re stuck in storm, gave all your stars away, and can’t die... what can you do to fix it, anything?
high ember
I did that the other day and just ran back until I found a spot where I got hit again. Died in a few minutes and proceeded.
spark lance
Crawling around will eventually do it.
I notice that Teleport to Random is not in our menu nor can it be added by stepping into the Eden lobby.
hollow compass
@lusty light In that case I should report that not all cut scenes have two buttons instead, because they don't. LOL!
umbral glade
@rotund quail Good catch on that Forest hole. I didn’t like the mushroom area today, felt too sparse overall. Like it was missing stuff. (I guess because it was.)
Hopefully that means more light to collect later, but I haven’t played all levels today.
dusky marlin
@umbral glade I'm here now and I feel like a lot of dark flowers are gone! I really liked the dark flowers around the crabs cave and they are gone as well, replaced with stone :( less light to collect overall I think..
umbral glade
Agreed. Wouldn’t mind if they balance other levels, hope so.
sharp pumice
did the krill patterns in Eden change a bit again? ^^, (because I'm really really bad at Eden today. Sorry to Maddie. but somehow I'm continuing alone now... huh)
spark lance
I went last night and didn’t notice a change. It was the first time (I think) I went as chibi and it was surprisingly easier getting up to the hail hallway.
sharp pumice
May be I just didn't notice some things in the runs before.
I went right now, and... it was one of the more frustrating runs, while the one before that was quite ok.
Eden/Storm is a wild mix of being fun sometimes and totally awful at other times, despite only smaller changes for a while now. May be it depends on my companions... and my mood (naaah, can't be, lol)
spark lance
I am increasingly enjoying Eden and the hail area gameplay. It’s felt too hard or too easy in the past but now it feels pretty balanced to me and I don’t dread the trip.
umbral glade
Same here. My second run last night was really good. Felt challenging but in a good way.
(Thanks @tulip moat! )
tulip moat
I’ve gotten better at taking things a little slower so I don’t lose 10+ stars by the time I get to the statues
rotund quail
@umbral glade thks man. Yeah a lot of blank flowers gone in Forest. I can't play in another words today. If you can, tell me about Westland Black flowers in there. They change something too?
umbral glade
I haven’t gotten going there yet but I’ll share once I do
pulsar vector
To avoid heating, someone told me to try to play Sky with the iPhone having 100% battery, and power plugged in ... not a good idea, the iPhone was quickly heating like hell
(then everything is 5 FPS when the phone is so hot)
So : don't plug the iPhone while playing Sky
exotic gorge
Another find the missing star kid that they had added before this recent update along with 2 others but now is gone from the forest 🤷🏻♂️2 are there but 1 is gone
umbral glade
That beta life! 😅🕵️♀️🕵️♂️
spark lance
It felt like that star kid on that exit was a temporary location anyway. We’ll keep looking because amping our star counts is a very fun part of the game.
shrewd needle
The record icon is the circle with 2 in the middle. When you select to screen record, it does a 3 second countdown, which is what the pic is of.
umbral glade
@rotund quail Flowers moved in Wasteland too, halfway in anyway. Seems like fewer so far.
meager summit
@mossy bramble GHDSFGJH OOPS-- ty for letting me know i was so confused lmao
mossy bramble
Hahah it’s okay I can see how it would seem weird
umbral glade
@shrewd needle A few people have mentioned that Eden issue, and it sounds like going back to the ||red rain|| helps finish the stage.
shrewd needle
Thanks, but nothing is working for me. I have been back six times and have gotten as far as losing all energy and becoming black, but for some reason I am being blocked from finishing it.
Would I be able to redownload the app after deleting, or would I not be allowed to do that because beta is full?
vapid drum
@shrewd needle I resolved the problem by switching devices
I played on the iPad and finished On iPhone
shrewd needle
Can’t do that, my other iPad wasn’t allowed to download it
vapid drum
If you use the same game center account , you should be able to
shrewd needle
My other iPad is stuck using iOS 10.3.3, will it be able to play the app?
vapid drum
Shouldn’t be a problem I think
Just download TestFlight
And see if you can download sky
shrewd needle
F, just tried that and it says Sky Beta isn’t compatible with mu older iPad
vapid drum
Ahhh , sorry to hear that☹️
shrewd needle
Can I delete Sky from my main iPad and redownload it through TestFlight, or will I get blocked from rejoining beta?
tranquil steppe
psa: the mac version is working again! I’ve had a few issues with it over-loading and needing to quit, but only twice over a few hours. definitely playable 😄
spark lance
If your main iPad’s TestFlight shows the current version, you can delete the app and reinstall from TestFlight. Before you do that, ensure you have Game Center enabled with your correct Apple ID so that you will keep your progress.
hybrid wedge
@shrewd needle I assume you've already tried something else, but this might be useful for others too-- I also got sent back into the red rain after dying. I set my iPad down to go take care of stuff and was gone for around 10 minutes, maybe a bit longer, and when I came back my game had put me in the next part of Eden.
spark lance
lemme get beta
high ember
It’s still there, just hidden underground like the one on top of the first hill in Isle was after the ground was raised.
high ember
Check out @vapid drum’s recent post in #submit_beta_bugs. Pic included, apparently he used a table to get underneath and check it out.
The plant shown can be burned from topside.
umbral glade
@sour tinsel I think I’m cursed with the Vault today. That bug is keeping me from the last level already. No season winning for me. 😕
smoky fossil
Hey Andrew you can reset the loop by entering other map then come back
Reset the progress in the map
umbral glade
Thanks Hz!
umbral glade
Yikes, had to go back to Vault for the meditation spot and it was just all sorts of bugged for me. Adding a friend crashed the game even. Got the candles though. 😄
shrewd needle
@hybrid wedge I tried your suggestion and @spark lance , but neither worked and things are worse. Check out the beta bugs chat for update. 😢
smoky fossil
@umbral glade I think you are the Andrew I know? My in game name is Harry
main ivy
@shrewd needle
Are you still stuck with your gates closed? If so you can try opening the gear menu and selecting teleport to random. Then play through whatever level you're in, and after you should be free.
shrewd needle
@main ivy , the gear menu is of no help. It doesn’t give me any option to teleport.
vapid drum
Since the last update , the game is stuttering in all modes 30fps and 60fps. Already did a hard reset of my 2018 iPad and cleaned up some space but that didn’t bring a solution. Anyone else with that problem or knows how this is caused??
pearl mica
I notice someone says Mac is working, yes but i just downloaded, was able to get into the game, was so excited, until i got the Prairie entrance , back to black screens in the same places, is anyone else still having the problem?
hollow compass
@pearl mica I can't even get to the first star child in Isle
pearl mica
I have not been able to either, until i just downloaded the update! i got past the first child, managed to get the stars and emotes...but as i entered the the new area....black..i can get to home.. all the friends are there but unless someone takes me through i cannot see.
ok another thing my child is huge...much bigger than anyone else ha ha ha
smoky fossil
@vapid drum I personally don’t have this issue
60fps works really well for me. The HD mode doesn’t look much different
Teleport to random seems missing in current version . @main ivy
spark lance
@vapid drum I am having the same stuttering issue on 60fps on my iPad mini 5 in some locations, but haven’t noticed it at 30. I’ll track today where it’s most noticeable on my device today.
hybrid wedge
@shrewd needle Try going back into Eden and then checking the game menu again. In other builds that helped the random teleport option appear again.
lusty light
@vapid drum I’ve also been having stuttering issues on my 2017 iPad Pro most noticeable in eden
vapid drum
Oops , i didn’t updated my iPad to the latest version. Hope that resolves the issue , the game is like unplayable right now
spark lance
@vapid drum I’m was in the latest, 12.31.1
vapid drum
Ok , updated the iPad , but it’s even worse now
I can’t even stay in home without the stutter
umbral glade
Hey @smoky fossil, that’s me! Nice to see you here as well.
hollow compass
@pearl mica for me it was after the update and reset that everything just crashed
And even when I have a friend’s hand to hold, we often lose it and then I’m stuck.
rotund quail
@orchid nexus I have this problem with video record and screenshot too. I posted 2 times this bug on #beta-bugs-ios . Every screenshot or video I post here is using the native iOS function
hybrid wedge
@rotund quail Wow, I didn't realize you couldn't use the screenshot function either. That sucks. : -/
I wonder if anyone playing on an iPhone has this problem. The four times I recall seeing this reported were different versions of iPad (air, mini, and regular).
rotund quail
I did not realize when exactly it crashed. I think it was when they introduced the video recording function, not sure. But I reported this at the same time I found this problem. I can't try other device because my phone is a Android one.
hybrid wedge
What do you mean by "when they introduced the video recording function"? That's been in the game for over a year...?
rotund quail
Really👀
hybrid wedge
Yeah!
rotund quail
Hahaha
hybrid wedge
😂
rotund quail
Seriously! I had not realized
hybrid wedge
Hahaha, I know the feeling. There's been a couple times where something was added or changed and I didn't realize until way after the fact. #betalife ^^
rotund quail
I did screenshot using the top menu. I only discovered the shortcut in the bottom corner for "accident"
That's when I discovered the recording camera icon
hybrid wedge
Haha, most of the time I forget you can even use the main menu to take a screenshot.
But I probably got to learn about it the easy way--through patch notes--than having to learn about it on my own.
rotund quail
Yeah... Now I make it in a hard way. I have to be quickly to press home and volume button to make a screenshot of everything I want in the game
I've turned off my iPad twice holding the screenshot command for a long time while looking for a good picture angle.
hybrid wedge
Between you and me and 1500 server members, a lot of times I prefer the native screenshot function. I can usually get to the buttons pretty fast and can take a rapid series of photos without my kid messing them up by going into camera pose mode. My device does side-by-side (or whatever the term is) shots so that I get two versions of each picture--one with the UI but lower quality, and one in-game version without the UI but higher quality.
True--occasionally I have accidentally turned the screen off doing this XD
rotund quail
😂
About path notes, I never see nothing about the screenshot or video recording in there since I play on beta
hybrid wedge
When did you join the beta?
rotund quail
May 25
hybrid wedge
Of this year?
rotund quail
Yeah
hybrid wedge
Ah. Yeah, they wouldn't have been in the patch notes because there were no major (intended) changes to them at this point. The patch notes referring to the video function in particular were something like April and May of last year as they introduced and tweaked the feature.
And in those notes they explained where to access it. ^^
orchid nexus
Well it's not good you have this problem, but hopefully the more people who have it, the easier it will be for our TGC friends to fix! 
empty inlet
I can say Mac is still unplayable, it crash around the temple, Isle is the only level I can access but still I can't play it. But at least now I can hang around home
I want a private space where I can change the key of my instruments freely😫
hybrid wedge
@empty inlet TGC mentioned in a live stream in the past couple of months or so that the MacOS version is on the backburner for now while they focus on getting everything ready for the iOS launch.
Kind of a bummer (it runs more smoothly on my old Mac than my old iPad, even if it's a huge battery suck and heats it way way up), but an understandable choice.
empty inlet
I know that, I'm fine with Mac being unplayable for a bit more time.
hybrid wedge
Ah, okay, I misunderstood. I'll let that post hang around then in case anyone is wondering why the Mac version has been left behind. ^^
neon dragon
Hello, can anyone find the “sorry no” emote?
Mine is greyed out
And I can’t find the cave in isle of dawn anymore
I asked another player and her sorry no emote is also disabled
hybrid wedge
@neon dragon Explore around the temple in the Isle of Dawn.
hybrid wedge
Because it's available but you haven't collected it yet.
neon dragon
Found it thx!
tulip moat
I’ve searched through the prairie three times and cannot seem to find the koi pond. Any hints/help? Also make it a spoiler content for others sake plz
hybrid wedge
Winged light lets you fly higher. ||Keep flying up. ; ) ||
tulip moat
Oh wow, I’m embarrassed I didn’t already see it, flew right by it lol
hybrid wedge
Haha it happens to the best of us
umbral glade
@smoky fossil I think the random jump button might just be gone? 🥺 (At least for now)
spark lance
Yes, teleport to random is gone from the menu for now. Hope it returns because it’s useful and fun.
finite pumice
And it was jolly essential recently to get around the Eden bug.
sour tinsel
@finite pumice Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Sky Peter, but perhaps let’s avoid using words like ||damn|| in the future. We want to keep this community family friendly. I know it wasn’t your intention to do anything bad. However, I’ve known and also live with families where that’s a taboo word. It’s safer not to use it. No worries, though Sky Peter. You’re okay. Let’s just be careful later on. 🙂
finite pumice
Fair enough. Fixed. Thing is, this channel is supposed to be for beta testers. Some of the “rules” that need to apply to the public game channels should be relaxed here. Swearing is rightly off limits anywhere and it was my bad to think that word was ok. I do believe however that in beta there should be no need for spoiler tags on everything. It seems unnecessarily heavy handed. If non-betas insist on reading the beta channels they should acknowledge that they are going to be reading behind the scenes stuff. It goes with the territory.
orchid nexus
Sometimes things change and we beta testers don't want the changes spoiled immediately until we get to play through!
lunar loom
Idk how I feel about “max players in home reduced to three” ....
empty inlet
I’m happy with it, it was too cloudy
Especially when all eight ppl standing on the constellation
lunar loom
It feels empty to me. I would have preferred to hide players while in constellation properly, imo.
Now there is no aviary feel at all
Perhaps we will see it return in the future
empty inlet
Agreed
dark badger
They reduced the max players in home to only three? That’s an option that should be left up to us players imho.
lunar loom
100% agreed chiazu
hollow compass
I’m really disappointed in the latest patch. This game is moving in a direction I am not happy about at all.
smoky fossil
So I just did eden again
@dark badger , no only max number to teleport. If you login game you will see home is as busy as before 😉
I think how they described in the update log can be misleading
But this is to avoid the teleport to friends bug I assume
I actually don’t know how to do that ...
Let’s talk about the new eden . The gate is elevated, much more holy looking
There is a clear pathway guiding to the gate
The building in orbit makes more sense and have a bit more details
However, eden/storm in general is much more difficult
Oh the star kids count is now 10 instead of 3 in eden
Overall I found the new eden much more difficult ; TGC is trying very hard to encourage people to go in with friends. But the last bit of it is just too harsh... I doubt friends can help much
dark badger
They said they would be making it harder since you’re suppose to do Eden with friends. But why add more stars? You just lose them right away.
thin orchid
Storm became more fun with these red energy sucking formations. The difficulty is compensated with more stars we can get.
lunar loom
Any idea what this is?
vapid drum
@lunar loom you making a picture??
thin orchid
@lunar loom We've seen one in Eden, where we could meditate and activate it. But it doesn't work yet. I guess we can see it's function in the next builds.
thin orchid
@vapid drum I was not attentive to star counts
smoky fossil
I don’t necessarily think it’s more fun with such difficulty in the crystal rain this version
spark lance
In the Wasteland battlefield area, I’d like to ask everyone to please not light the temple gate when other players are further back because it forces them to deal with krill. As a courtesy, chirp before you light the gate and wait for the players to join you. 🙏✨
hollow compass
Yep, always chirp when entering to let others know you’re there and occasionally chirp to check if others have entered after you.
spark lance
New players may not know this happens ...
hybrid wedge
@smoky fossil, can you please put a spoiler tag on the photos of Eden and Orbit you posted? A lot of people will need an extra couple days at least before they have a chance to try the updated version. Thank you!
smoky fossil
I don’t know how to do that actually lol
noble wadi
Do you have to buy every cosmetic to finish a constellation? What if you don’t want a beard or those pants etc?
vapid drum
@noble wadi yeah , you have to buy everything there is
hollow compass
@noble wadi You want the beard, admit it. 😝
orchid nexus
@smoky fossil if you don't know how, remove the pictures, google it and try again. And for large image dumps, use #screenshots-and-videos
hybrid wedge
@smoky fossil And thus I realized that Discord doesn't let you retroactively mark images as spoilers. The only way to do that would be to delete and re-post the images as spoilers, either checking the box that says "spoiler" if you upload from desktop, or renaming the file by putting "SPOILER_" in front of whatever the file name is (which is much easier on Android than iOS). Another option is to upload pictures to an album on another site and link to it.
hollow compass
That’s too much hassle, tbh. The whole point of Discord is that it is fast paced and in the now.
But I try to use the spoiler thread in the other group instead.
orchid nexus
it's a hassle from iOS to be sure. but it's also courteous not to post spoilers without tagging them.
hollow compass
I also have no idea how to rename a photo when I’m in my phone, sorry.
orchid nexus
it's not easy on iOS and I never do it.
hollow compass
Yes, so I basically never post spoilers here.
orchid nexus
I transfer to desktop and post spoilers fro mthere.
hollow compass
But as someone else said, we are beta testers and thus shouldn’t really care about spoilers. 😉
I can’t transfer to a desktop/computer sometimes for days.
hybrid wedge
Eden is different.
orchid nexus
and oops I edited my message above about putting images in the right channel 😄
hollow compass
I don’t think it should be.
hybrid wedge
And it's not about not posting spoilers, it's about marking and hiding them as such.
orchid nexus
It's common courtesy. mark your spoilers.
lusty light
Yeah as a beta tester you need to expect spoilers but it’s just rude to post spoilers like right after an update drops
especially since it’s end game
hollow compass
I don’t think it is, but I respect that others do so I don’t post spoilers here. And anyway, I’m never that fast into Eden or any other update - lol!
orchid nexus
as a beta tester I still expect to play through new content with fresh eyes. and these channels are public.
radiant drum
It’s a hassle to avoid the discord thread if you want to avoid spoilers, especially with so many new beta players playing the game. Even for old beta players, it’s very comforting to see that we can still be part of the discussion and avoid spoilers from a recent update. It’s not a rule, it’s being kind and thoughtful about other players experiences 
orchid nexus
Maybe we can suggest a "spoilers" channel.
hollow compass
To me, spoilers is when you’re revealing key information about a storyline in a published game. As beta testers we get to try out a lot of things that will not be publicly available for some time. In some beta environments you even have to sign a waver not to reveal certain aspects of the game.
*waiver?
But TGC has never asked us to do that, so it’s more up to us how we handle it.
spark lance
As a veteran player, I would still like spoilers marked.
hollow compass
(Like when Persona 5 was released everyone was asked to keep silent about a certain endgame. Much like Avengers films.)!
hybrid wedge
Eye of Eden contains key information about the storyline. It has been updated (very) frequently in the past few weeks especially, so essentially these are new elements of story being put into the game, and many people prefer to experience it first hand rather than accidentally read and see what someone posted about it.
orchid nexus
"We" being the operative word. We don't like having spoilers posted without spoiler tags. If you're already avoiding posting spoilers, then great! Keep it up!
gaunt pecan
Is this part update yet?
orchid nexus
The whole game got an update @gaunt pecan is there something specific you were looking for to be updated?
gaunt pecan
Well i have collected all the star but it still open yet. Why?
orchid nexus
There's a gate from home that requires 20 stars. There's a gate where that screenshot is that requires 5 players. You can get in if you meet both requirements.
gaunt pecan
Ohhhh
hybrid wedge
I thought that the requirement for 5 people had been taken away? Or was it put back in with the most recent update?
gaunt pecan
Looking for 4 more player :)))
lusty light
The requirement was taken away
hybrid wedge
Lewming, you can post requests like that in #beta-looking-for-group. : )
radiant drum
The requirement of 5 people is gone now, but go with friends!! Much easier and waaaaay more fun
hybrid wedge
True!
orchid nexus
Oh, maybe it's more of a "suggestion" than a requirement now. I still suggest you go with friends.
hollow compass
It just hit me that now I have the honourable chance to play both old and new Eden, seeing as I just reawaked my Soft account. Should I cry or rejoice?
hybrid wedge
Wait, how old is old eden on Soft?
hollow compass
Is it really better with friends now?
@hybrid wedge I don’t know. I haven’t been yet. Eeek.
orchid nexus
It really is!
gaunt pecan
How can i open that door after i met 4 more player?