Yes omg. I almost cried
#beta-discussion
spark lance
hybrid wedge
Did you go by yourself or were there other people with you?
hybrid wedge
This would be a massive, massive spoiler.
hybrid wedge
This is also a large group and I'm sure a lot of people who just started playing haven't gotten through the game yet. It would be really unfair to spoil it for them too.
warm timber
Is the game available to me in any way yet
I’ve caired about this game way to long way to much
hybrid wedge
Best to keep your eye on #news for updates on when the next round of invites is going out.
warm timber
Sorry for the sudden anger, all I saw was the words “ have you seen it” and NEW so I freaked because I’m determined not to let this game fall through my fingers 😂
hybrid wedge
I can imagine it's frustrating to have to wait while the final countdown approaches. It's cool that you've started a fan art project though!
warm timber
Thank you, for me it’s not just the wait, a really long time ago when the game soft realeced to the Philippines I was so mesmerized by the screen shots that I decided to troubleshoot my phone so it thought it was in the Philippines, but after 2-3 months I wanted to get a Apple Music subscription, what I didn’t know was that once you have a credit card on your phone in the USA it’s practically impossible to remove it, this was the end of my ability to play sky and now I’m here
Sorry for the unprovoked novel
lusty light
I used to play soft and I was still able to use Apple Music
If you just log out of that account then it’s fine
warm timber
For me I only have one account and as a 13-14 year old at the time troubleshooting was my limit on how much I would mess with my phone
Wow that got intense and emotional real quick 😂
Not to mention creating the fan art is a big part of getting the wonders of this game to people who wouldn’t normally see it, the appreciation of emotion with others and the experience it creates is something the world needs more than anything right now
viscid dragon
I agree, @warm timber ❤
lusty light
There already is one
warm timber
Like.....#sharethelight and when you click it it links you to the sky page
warm timber
Good point
analog delta
Hmm new build. Child of light locations "balanced".. guess it's good I didn't memorize them too much lol. I wonder if the emote got fixed
hybrid wedge
It did! 😄
analog delta
Ooooohh
cold raven
Finally be able to get the Levitate emote yasss
narrow arch
Finally got the emote! YEAAH
finite pumice
Right now, I'd love a button in the settings to allow me to reset my account at will. It would allow me to restart the game without having to create new gamecenter accounts.
orchid nexus
I've thought about that too, Peter. I would really like to have several sky "profiles" in one gamecenter account. Maybe for playing with different groups of friends, or one for playing alone, or whatever else. The benefit of using gamecenter for multiples is then you can play those accounts together if you have multiple devices...
main ivy
Meanwhile, I'm imagining Nagati creating a new profile every day so she can re-trigger the Prarie quest that makes her favorite song play hahaha
finite pumice
or... just a suggestion... Nagati could just record the sequence on device.
main ivy
I was just joking.
finite pumice
So was I.
vapid drum
@noble wadi you can get in on your own , but only if you’re really on your own
Just light the dishes from left to right while facing the door
And begin with the upper left while standing in between the 2 left dishes
orchid nexus
I think that’s not quite correct rob. There’s a glitch that allows all to stay lighted if someone was with you and left the level.
vapid drum
I know , but this one you can do on your own
But you have to be sure that really no one is there with you
orchid nexus
Im sure I’ve tried on my own. Maybe someone connected with you briefly before?
vapid drum
Just try it
Nope , I had to start over as soon as someone entered
But it’s the sequence that’s important
hybrid wedge
Oh, my beloved former-Nest song! So close and yet so far 
Don't put that kind of thing past me @main ivy and @finite pumice! For the record, I totally did record the sequence for the laughing emote, just because I was so excited to finally, finally hear the song back in the game. The problem though is that other players come along to "help" me finish quests like that, so even then my one, single chance to hear the song played with this sequence is likely to get cut short. And so Nagati's heart breaks, again.
But instead of making dozens of new alts, a far more satisfying solution would be to make emote spirit sequences visible again after collecting them (I was so, so happy to hear on the livestream yesterday that that's being planned!), and to put the song somewhere else in the game to be regular background music 
spark lance
@orchid nexus I can confirm what rob is saying. You can do it on your own ... just like the other lightable doors.
but as soon as you see the “you need other players ...” message, you need to exit and try again
How do I get access to beta?
乃尺口
匕卄モ尺モ 工ち 丹 ㄥ工ち匕
sry
u have to sign up
Where?
@spark lance the beta is currently full, but watch the announcements channel here for the next round of openings
Ok
Thank you
it’s also a good idea to get on TGC’s newsletter mailing list. You can sign up for it on their website
Oh
I can’t wait for July
spark lance
couple update changes I appreciate: no more pixelation in the candle mass at end of valley, and the Vault second floor door illumination. Thanks TGC.
spark lance
congrats on getting in
dense lily
@twin compass How?
twin compass
I just…
Opened link from the e-mail
dense lily
Aww I got no email :<
warm timber
I’m sooo jelly
How long have you been subscribed to the news letter?
@twin compass
twin compass
Hmm
Idk really
warm timber
twin compass
warm timber
empty inlet
@noble wadi Or they are removing it
hybrid wedge
@heady edge For now, go ahead and post feedback about the game here (assuming you're playing the beta version through the TestFlight app). TGC are trying to keep the bug submission channels as clean as possible so that it's easier to track all the reports. 
Might help, too, if you delete your message in that channel if you have the chance. ^^
heady edge
I think it would be helpful to assign different colors to each category Candle/Emote/Voice/Stance and an easier way to scroll between them. I get lost when looking for the emote I want cus they all look the same! Scrolling up and down the list make me dizzy. Would be cool to have a tab on the left side of the list, highlighting what category you’re looking at Candle/Emote/Stance... How you guys take this into consideration, keep up the good work!! ❤️
narrow arch
Maybe there could be a favourites category that you can add your emotes and stuff too so they are all in one place
low sequoia
Yeah I also get lost looking in the emote list.
hybrid wedge
The emotes you've most recently used appear at the top of the emote list. There's a little clock in the lower right corner of them.
low sequoia
Oh, that’s what the clock means!
Maybe a recents tab. I had NO idea what the clocks meant. Thanks!
Also, the fast/slow button gets triggered accidentally when I’m flying and looking around and I lose control. Maybe move it somewhere closer to the top corner.
hybrid wedge
Ah, yes, a recents tab, aka the emotes I use all the time because they're my favorites. ^^
hardy tartan
Look forward to the full release of this game. Perhaps there may be additional DLC. Like a challenge arena or something as well
analog delta
Well the annoying star in Valley was moved somewhere really easy to get so that's nice
gentle barn
Visited home and only two gates present. Is this supposed to be in the latest update?
hybrid wedge
@gentle barn Gates appear as you play through the game for the first time. Had you played through everything after the reset?
heady edge
Hello. Is there a way to find out the prices of the capes ?
warm timber
Guys,.....my cookies are almost ready
spark lance
You have to unlock them to see @heady edge
spark lance
some are 15, some are 20, special ones like white or black may be 50
heady edge
@spark lance yeah that’s obvious. But I’d need to spend a red candle just to see how much a cape costs
I see
spark lance
yes that right ... but it’s ok also to ask the price of a specific color
heady edge
Thank you tho
warm timber
Well I guess you should start saving
spark lance
someone who’s has unlocked it can tell you
heady edge
I was thinking purple or green
spark lance
green is 15
hybrid wedge
There's also the wiki, that should have the prices.
heady edge
I know that the black one is definitely 50
spark lance
the black one is so cool
heady edge
Thank you guys
spark lance
do you know about the wiki @heady edge?
heady edge
I know about the FANDOM
sharp pumice
that... was a surprisingly horrible storm run... somehow a lot went wrong today. Let's see how much candle that gets me.
2 and a bit... but I had storm runs that gave less and were more fun. Especially sad to somehow always lose my companions before the end sequence.
hybrid wedge
Losing people before Orbit is the worst
sharp pumice
seems to be related to that messed up transition where you visit glowy child twice
hybrid wedge
Did that happen to you?
sharp pumice
always happens to me now
spark lance
I’ve had it loop twice ... I feel like it’s related to how long you hold the flight button
When I let go as soon as the spirits rise, it doesn’t repeat
If I hold it until all my wedges are gone, it repeats
sharp pumice
oh.. hm... I should try that
gentle barn
@hybrid wedge no
sharp pumice
... but after sometimes falling down again, I always use up all power now ^^
spark lance
fall after hugging the little guy again?
sharp pumice
fall after hugging... I'm too impatient with the recharging cape
spark lance
ok I gotcha
sharp pumice
so I get one wedge, fly up, fall down, wait until complete charge and they fire it all ^^
spark lance
I do like the animation for the spirits rising ... it’s like yippee we’re free let’s get out of here!
sharp pumice
for me, they're usually a bit confused ^^,
hybrid wedge
@gentle barn Ah! In that case, keep playing through, and they'll show up for you. : )
😃
spark lance
you are so nice ... thank you
sharp pumice
btw, @spark lance , I always try to light your star in the constellations, but it never seems to work. Sorry for that.
spark lance
well that’s probably because last year I did a big purge to start over... of course I regret it now. Support will add friends back to our constellations but I’ve had a few restired lately so don’t want to clog their pipe with requests. I will add you back @sharp pumice
and it wasn’t at all personal, hope you know that
sharp pumice
I understand ^^
rotund quail
I did not read about it in the update. Thanks Seraph
orchid nexus
You can always get home from the menu. But I’m glad the flow of this area is restored. Feels peaceful again.
main ivy
Ohh no. I'm sad to see the home gate area at the end of forest removed. I was sorta hoping they'd move the rest stop to there, since the one in mountains breaks the pacing so badly.
Then again, like Alex said, end of forest is supposed to be peaceful... I guess there's just no good spot to put that particular transitional area without messing up the flow of one or the other.
warm timber
They could always put it in a tree facing away from entrance sight
main ivy
Though then it would be really easy to miss, which would defeat the purpose of it probably.
warm timber
Good point
rotund quail
||I visited all the places of the stars. we had two stars with their location changed. one in Valley and one in Westland||
||The new places are almost forced. I guess they just will not get it if they really do not want to.||
analog delta
@rotund quail the valley one is in a nice spot now 😃
rotund quail
I found it somewhat obvious.
It was funny when you flew right past.
UPS, there was a star there!
😂
analog delta
Yea I flew in and immediately turned around and climbed up and there was none there and I thought "Huh... I guess this was moved but to where" and when I turned back there it was. haha
rotund quail
Me too lol
analog delta
Thanks for running that with me @still stone 😃
Started off strong.. but then the krill got me. Not sure why but this time I could barely see anything in that section even with brightness maxxed
analog delta
Last time I made it through without being sighted at all but I couldn't even see the platforms
How come you have 2 wedges already? Are these ones you bought with star candles?
Oh, can you play the horn @still stone ?
still stone
I have it but I’m not really good and only got one decent sheet
analog delta
I just want to hear what it sounds like
also I have no idea how to use the sheets lol
you can just mash if you want 😃
How do you use sheet music?
The star goes so fast there's no way I can follow that lol
main ivy
You might have the fast one. There's one sheet that's just like... impossible to play hahaha
The rest are waaaay slower.
analog delta
I wonder what the staff sounds like. It must be a percussion or something.
still stone
Oo
main ivy
"what the staff sounds like" made me imagine an instrument that's just Jenova Chen making noises when you hit the keys haha
analog delta
Do you need a star candle to unlock the hidden area of the friendship tree?
finite pumice
@hybrid wedge I don't know from the discussion whether you have the music you're after, and to be honest I'm not sure exactly which it is that you like. I do have a fairly large collection of videos from the past 16 months, so there's a chance I have it. Any way you can let me know which it is? I can then take a look.
All else fails, there will be an OST at some point so you'll get the real deal then.
warm timber
@analog delta it’s the “boom staff” makes excessive fireworks
analog delta
Haha hmmm that’s kinda cool actually
warm timber
It’s an epic experience,..... I AM THE FIREWORK OVER LORD
analog delta
I love all the people lighting my candle lately 😃
warm timber
😂
analog delta
I don’t have one from you @warm timber 🤔
warm timber
😓I don’t have the game yet
I used to, but those were the days I could switch my phone to the Philippines
Although that may change this week
And then we can exchange candles
@analog delta
analog delta
Oh that’s a bummer 😦 just wait for global launch!
noble wadi
Come join us in storm!
lusty light
Carina you should ask in #beta-looking-for-group ! It’ll be easier to find your request there
noble wadi
Ahh thx I missed that
analog delta
I’m still suffering ptsd from my last storm run
main ivy
That's the best part of Storm! The lasting trauma :D
narrow arch
Lasting Trauma and Lasting Friendships
rustic ore
This game is the best thing I’ve played in the last year wth
orchid nexus
Storm run today was SO good for me. ||I went with a friend and we chirped at each other to stay alive the whole time. We got as far as the end gate, and I gave my very last star to a statue. Felt good to end with 0 stars instead of having them beaten out of me. And was awarded 5 scented candles after.||
The challenge level is pretty well balanced now and it's feeling more like it requires cooperation and some skill more than any previous iteration.
rotund quail
@charred dawnThat spirit and another in Valley always remain in the game even though you have collected them before
spark lance
@tulip moat Hi Bob, I can help more with Vault if you’d like, but I’m posting from the #beta-discussion channel to answer your question about the Vault emotes (because others may want to know too). If you got into Vault L1, that is the pray emote. The other Vault emotes are in the open and you will be able to find them. If you really get stuck, just @ me.
rotund quail
@orchid nexus ||Five? Wow! One day I'll play as well as you.||
Hey guys
||How do I get permanent stars with the spirits? I went to the max with two of them and received just some blessing||
spark lance
@rotund quail You buy the upgrade in the emote tree with a Eden candle. You receive it on your next completed Eden run.
With the perm upgrades, you then can exceed the 58 stars in the game and work toward a higher cape wedge level. Does that help?
7 cape wedges = 55 stars, 8 wedges = 75 stars
rotund quail
||I have used candles from Eden in 2 spirits and received no extra permanent star||
spark lance
let’s talk via dm
orchid nexus
Permanent stars are bought from the ancestors to unlock the shaded portions of the menus. However, you don't receive the permanent star immediately. I think this is a bug. I was able to get my permanent stars immediately by ||buying upgrades in Eden, and then force quitting and starting again. The unlocked spirits show up and hand hand you the stars on your way to the gate.||
spark lance
I wondered about that ...
hybrid wedge
@orchid nexus, does it/is it supposed to work that simply unlocking the shaded "Level 2" part of an emote constellation gives you a permanent cape star? (That is, rather than them being a specific node in the constellation?)
orchid nexus
Umm? I mean the node you purchase to unlock those areas seems to always be a wing upgrade. Right?
hybrid wedge
That explains why I suddenly started showing up after Eden with 2 cape wedges, but I'm pretty sure nothing explained that just unlocking the second tier would give you a wing buff.
In the last version it was a specific node, hence my confusion.
analog delta
@orchid nexus what do you mean by chirping to stay alive? How does chirping help in eden?
hybrid wedge
Haha, thanks @spark lance! TIL that patch notes with a label from a month ago also include information from far more recent updates. Look at all the education happening here. 
orchid nexus
When you are on the ground, big chirps from friends will charge your cape @analog delta so friends running through the storm should
analog delta
Omg pro tip right here. I will try that next time.
That will 100% help when I get stun locked by the red rain
orchid nexus
It helps a lot in other levels too!
analog delta
So that must work while flying too.
orchid nexus
Not while flying.
analog delta
Oh that’s a shame. That’s actually why geese constantly chirp while they are flying in V to encourage the leader. Lol
Nevertheless, I really only have issues in eden so I look forward to not wanting to throw myself off a building next time I go there lol
spark lance
was it new this upgrade? was this the new thing Jenova referred to maybe?
analog delta
35 stars... only got 7 down last time. That shatter sound as your stars get wiped away is so demoralizing
Do you need a specific friendship level for the chirps to help?
hybrid wedge
@spark lance I was getting wing buffs left and right from the spirits before The Reset, and they were always nodes. I don't remember the specific remark you're referring to though.
@analog delta OTOH, holding hands with friends while flying recharges you, and the more friends you have (on either side), the faster you recharge. So you still get encouragement, just not the noisy kind. ; )
analog delta
Yea it’s just hard to hold hands when getting pelted by the red rain. I think I tried that and we got knocked down and it breaks your hold 😭 but it works great while flying! The biggest V I had so far was 5 people 😃
spark lance
@hybrid wedge I’m getting lost in many dms, sorry ... we may b saying the same thing anyway
hybrid wedge
There was a change, I missed where it has been mentioned, I know what's going on (well, with the permanent stars anyway), all is well. Probably.
spark lance
@hybrid wedge maybe it was mentioned in a livestream
but I could almost swear I read it ... maybe FB but I’m not any more
the instant gratification is more satisfying and no math
i.e., I have xx stars plus 3 uncollected in Eden plus the emotes I unlocked for next trip plus the Eden candle I’m saving to buy xxxx
:face_palm
The emoji gender reversal is annoying...
viscid dragon
@orchid nexus What do you think storm candles smell like? Electricity?
Maybe kinda like bacon, since they are made with the fat of less fortunate sky kids...
spark lance
🥓🥓🥓🥓🥓
orchid nexus
Bacon candles sizzle and spit hot grease when they are lit. Worth it for the aroma though. 
spark lance
@viscid dragon Sorry I was doing a fast star run. Let’s farm together another day.
viscid dragon
No worries! I just wanted to pop in and say hi.
spark lance
Fun trying out the call charge with you.
viscid dragon
Yeah. Can’t believe I never noticed it before
spark lance
Heh, me too.
main ivy
Star candles... I say... Ozone, wet dirt, and some cheap chemical sweetness smell put in last minute on 0 budget by the ancestors in an attempt to make them more appealing :P
finite pumice
They failed in that regard @main ivy
main ivy
I was only kidding. I really like Eden and the candles you get.
tulip moat
Why do I have four pages of friends in my constellation? Like I have the one with the crown, and then there are three others, one with four friends, one with three friends, and one with only one friend. Can someone please explain this to me?
main ivy
@tulip moat The crown is for favorite friends! The others are just sorta random I think, probably just to keep the screen from getting too crowded.
tulip moat
I guess the game wants to limit the number of favorite friends that I have, cause I've favorited every friend i've had
Also, it would be really nice if there was some indicator of a friend not playing in a while, that why I could turn off fav for them in place of someone im playing with recently. Cause I never want to unfriend someone in case they return and would like help
main ivy
Yeah only so many can display on the crown.
The favorite system is just so you can find your BFFs (or just people you play with a lot) if you need to teleport to them quick or whatever. Marking every one as favorite sorta defeats the purpose, haha
tulip moat
didnt know you could teleport to friends, so thats new
and yeah I should prolly un-fav some people lol
finite pumice
Ppl. Just be aware that un-fav should be safe but deleting them has issues. If you delete a friend, the system doesn’t remove you from the deleted friends constellation. And then if they try to light your candle or send you a heart the system fails and your ex-friend ends up with a darkened you that they can’t delete and can’t interact with. Once this has happened the only way to fix it is to get the ex-friend to contact support. It’s a complete pain.
north canyon
Does anyone know exactly when Eden resets?
analog delta
Saturday midnight PST I’m pretty sure @north canyon
main ivy
@finite pumice
I do like the spooky flashing lightning (other than the fact that it causes issues with those sensitive to that sort of thing), though I'll have to agree that visibility between the flashes might be a little too low.
finite pumice
@main ivy oh I understand it’s used for good effect in creating a mood or atmosphere but I can’t play there anymore because of the darkness and the flashes are just torture. And not being able to do Storm means ill never reach the level I’d be comfortable at (my chosen costume, and cape power). Seems a shame. I’m seeing more ppl on FB expressing their dislike of storm due to the lighting (not the lightning). One person has deleted the game as a direct result.
main ivy
Haha, seems a little extreme to me. I'm sure TGC is working hard on getting the right balance of atmosphere and visibility.
finite pumice
I tend to agree. There are other levels that are still fun to play in (or they will be when the controls are fixed; yes I'm still holding out hope). I surely hope that the light will be balanced better than it is right now. I was hoping it would be in this current build. It really worries me that there is so little time left, and the builds are at best, weekly. It doesn't feel like TGC are using us enough to test the bug fixes. There are an amazing number of high profile issues right now. In all the time I've been playing, I've not seen the game with so many big issues. But then again, my "big" is probably not their "big".
main ivy
Haha, did you play back when storm was being first introduced? Now those were big issues.
The timeframe does seem pretty short. There are a lot of bugs left to squash and areas that need polish. My main concern there is that TGC will work themselves half to death trying to get it all done :(
main ivy
I see a lot of people trying to fly in closed wing mode now because they don't realize they should switch for long horizontal flights.
finite pumice
The existence of modes is tragic in and of itself.
orchid nexus
Ever play a flight simulator game? Dozens, even hundreds of control mappings, and the simplest is gear-up, gear-down. As a solution to flying like a bird with only your instincts, it's not perfect. But as a video game I find it surprisingly subtle. The modes seem necessary to me, and there are a couple different ways to switch modes.
hollow compass
I have been deleting quite a lot of inactive friends lately. I hope I haven’t caused a lot of trouble now!
orchid nexus
I don't think you should worry about deleting friends. If it's not working as expected, then "testing" by deleting friends is a good thing.
main ivy
I think the modes are incredibly necessary. Anyone play back before they were added? It was open wing mode, all the time. It was SO hard to stop or land on things because there was no gentler drifting mode to go into.
I don't really like that I can't switch between them with nice intuitive swipes anymore. And I feel like lately closed wing has been retaining too much momentum, it's a lot harder to use it for precise drifting movements. But I think removing one or the other would be a disaster, haha
orchid nexus
Remember very recently when closed wing mode didn't retain momentum and we would fall like rocks when switching? 
talking about it in binary terms does not give enough credit to how complex it is and what a great job TGC have done in building and refining flight mechanics.
main ivy
True. TGC is working hard! You're right
I would prefer becoming a rock over sailing past my destination, but I'm sure it's really hard to get just right. Plus I know not everyone flies the same way I do, so it probably was a way bigger problem for some than it was for me.
orchid nexus
Switch modes and then drag to the center of the dpad. It took some adjustment for me and it's hard sometimes to find the right balance between switching too early and to late.
hybrid wedge
@main ivy Saw your bug report about saving videos. sad hug of solidarity I reported mine in-game, but seeing yours makes me feel a bit less that there's something wrong with my device that I should know how to fix.
main ivy
Yeah the missing option is super noticeable on my device. The "where you wanna save?" popup used to have options in an even row, now there's a big gaping hole.
So it's totally not just you or something you're not understanding.
spark lance
@main ivy you’re saying you never see the video save location pop-up? I’m trying to understand this issue. I see it on both my devices probably 90% of the time, and it shows all the options.
main ivy
I've seen the pop-up, but now there's an option missing all of a sudden. And it's the only one that used to work properly for me.
@spark lance
spark lance
which option is missing?
main ivy
I wish I could say. I never paid attention... was it the one that just said "save video"? Or maybe not... I don't remember! I can just see the hole where it used to be.
finite pumice
I know this is harping on, but really, the old system actually did it all. You could swipe down to arrest forward motion (what we now call open wing) and then you could drift down and land with amazing precision. It was damn near perfect before. I've no doubt that TGC have worked very hard to try and make this new system approximate what we had before whilst meeting some other needs. @orchid nexus yes the act of controlling the avatar and flying it is amazingly complex; no doubt, however it was possible without these modes, and I really think if they had left it alone, they'd have been able to focus their attentions on the many other things instead. I guess it comes down to different players play differently. Certainly, my experience of flight and landing before was amazing, wheras it would seem that @main ivy had problems with landings. We're different. It is a shame though that it's meet one groups needs over those of another. hmm. here is a video showing just how bad (in my opinion) it is. previously, all I'd have to do is a simple down swipe to stall forward movement, and I'd land gracefully where I want to, right in front of the door.
spark lance
can I post a photo here if the full option screen? that might help @main ivy
main ivy
Oh @spark lance good idea
spark lance
main ivy
@finite pumice Wait, I thought the one where you swipe down was called close wing? Because you close your wings?
I didn't mean that I had trouble landing in the system of the video you posted. The trouble landing is now, and also WAY back before swipe down to stop was a thing at all. But no problem in between those two.
Ah! Yes @spark lance , I think it was the Save Video button!
spark lance
ok I’m going to give this some attention today @main ivy
main ivy
Lemme double check
Yes here are my options now.
Some attention? You're not secretly a dev or something, right? haha
(I'd be so embarrassed for just casually chatting with you if so, haaaa)
finite pumice
@main ivy swipe down has been there since like May 2018, or earlier. We were able to stall and glide down ages ago. Here are 3 short vids (for nostalgia sake too) showing various landings I found in my archives.
Pin point landing near a candle.
main ivy
@finite pumice I know it has been around a long time. I was playing before that. I was playing before beta was even open, used VPN to sneak into soft launch early.
(The VPN was bad and hardly worked, but I got to run around at least!)
finite pumice
this one show the beauty of being able to boost up, lose control, and the regain it without losing too much altitude. The control was amazing.
then I'm confused why you feel the current "modes" are "incredibly necessary". I'm not trying to be disagreeable; just trying to understand a different pov.
orchid nexus
finite pumice
@orchid nexus is that for discussion too though?
orchid nexus
you pinged the wrong person, but one video in a discussion, maybe NBD, but if you get into posting several to make a point, post them there and talk about them here.
main ivy
@finite pumice Because the modes are the swipe up or down to change how you fly that you liked. It's just that they're a button now instead of a swipe. They're the same systems though.
finite pumice
@main ivy right, now I understand you. the difference now is that we have two discrete modes, wheras before it was much more subtle, and refined. it's pretty brutish now, and the button does not help that. the tricks are funny at first, but I don't think they are worth what has been done to the intuitiveness of flight. thing is, closed wing is also present in the visuals when you dive/swoop in "open wing" mode, so the names are a bit odd. Jenova (I think) called it helicopter mode which is sort of more accurate given the way the avatar is dragged around by the chest bone.
@orchid nexus my bad on the pin. posting a vid / img on another channel and discussing it here seems odd, but if that's the discord way then I guess I'll fit in.
orchid nexus
I think you've taken a hyperbolic stance though @finite pumice and don't seem open to persuasion, so I won't try to change your mind with videos of beautiful landings in today's flight system, though I find it easy after adjusting my approach to using controls. Re: channel stuff: it's probably generally nicer to post and talk about screenshots in the screenshots channel than to flood discussion channel with screenshots. If screenshots were disallowed in this channel, that permission would be disabled. So I think it's more a matter of etiquette.
languid reef
I think you’re getting offended over nothing
orchid nexus
who's offended?
languid reef
You obviously
main ivy
Friend, you got here ten minutes ago, haha. It's going to be okay :)
orchid nexus
Not at all. We were discussing differences of opinions, and it's always reasonable to find a point at which disagreements can end a constructive dialog.
@finite pumice and I agree that the flight controls felt very good before. And I think we share enthusiasm for the game and hopes for its success as well!
finite pumice
Absolutely. I love the game. I want the best for it and the players. Sadly I’m unable to enjoy it as much now so I focus on testing instead. In all these reports and discussions when I disagree I’m trying to look for a way to see the other view. With flight I keep failing in this regard. Won’t stop me trying again tho.
hollow compass
@finite pumice Regarding your comment in the bug submit channel: I have tried bypassing the forced landing in Prairie with a seven wedge cape to no avail.
It really bugs (haha, lol) me that once you’ve played through you still have to do everything thr same way as a newbie.
orchid nexus
I've tried that too @hollow compass and I fight it every time! ... maybe the forced-landing zone should be lower so we can escape it if we really try.
because it's cool for newbs, I think
hollow compass
I want those ugly transparent walls gone, I want to decide when and if I want to land, I want to always be able to skip cutscenes.
@orchid nexus I’ve tried flying to the right towards the broken towers area. I’ve tried to the left, where the caves are.
main ivy
It would be nice if the walls vanished after you'd already opened them once, or maybe only faded into sight when you were very close by (so you could still judge their location for bringing newbies over)
hollow compass
I had an Eden run yesterday morning, which took around 1 hour. Later in the afternoon I recollected all my lights in about 2.5 hours. That’s essentially how long the game is once you have all emotes.
orchid nexus
But then when you're with other players who see the walls, they see you phase right through and feel sad and can't catch up to take your hand.
hollow compass
But I’ve been able to bypass them with a friend who could walk through them.
orchid nexus
exactly.
main ivy
Wow @hollow compass , that's fast! Now I feel like a snail, haha
hollow compass
Funny detail: you can collect from the light kid up high on a temple in Forest behind another of those walls without walking through them.
You can also fly into caves from bell tower area of Prairie.
orchid nexus
sorry clarifying: shira suggested not seeing the walls, and I was illustrating the design problem. newbs should be directed through a simple linear flow. advanced players should have more freedom and be allowed to take newbs with them.
hollow compass
I don’t think I like the idea of linear, tbh.
But that’s more a personal thing.
I don’t want to see them at all.
main ivy
I feel like the game needs to be a little linear for first time players. We have areas like the secret forest shortcut and the boat are in waste that totally skip important sections of the game. You don't want newbies wandering into there by accident.
hollow compass
Why not?
orchid nexus
I agree, after getting to know the game. But there's always been talk by new players about not knowing what to do or where to go. So the design has gone through iterations. Like the really aggressive "follow me" beacons, the force fields, and complete freedom. Complete freedom mode actually made me lonely because everyone wanted to go different directions.
hollow compass
I don’t understand the point of an open world that isn’t actually open.
main ivy
I don't think it's really open world though. It's a mostly linear game with a few extra branches to explore.
hybrid wedge
Yeah, I had a friend playing beta for the first time and they got sort of turned around in levels sometimes, even with the extra areas made inaccessible. Another friend played last year before the walls were put in and did get turned around quite often. They kept at it because they knew me and I had talked their ear off about the game and wouldn't let them quit, but for more casual people, getting lost and feeling like they're going around in circles can be really off-putting and just lead them to put down the game and never pick it back up again.
--But as a long-time player, I want to be able to see the gates, but not have to stop and burn them every single time. It gets old.
main ivy
Speak of the gates. I took someone through one for the first time today! We wanted to go play in the orrery, but he couldn't get through. He was confused and trying to leave, took forever to convince him to come take my hand. But he did! And we had a wonderful time.
hollow compass
Haha, maybe they thought you were leading thrm astray!
main ivy
I was! They have fully succumb to the evil that is... Golden Onion Rings!
(That's what the orrery is made of, right? :P)
hollow compass
I feel like this game will appeal to a certain type of gamer. I have spoken with some friends about it and they literally said: “Is that it?”
I thought it was cheese rings?
main ivy
Cheesy onion rings! Deep fried twice!
hollow compass
Ok. I’m game
hybrid wedge
That's for the next seasonal event, Season of Cholesterol.
main ivy
Hahaha!
main ivy
I am a bit worried about the "is that it?"
I'm not sure what the appeal is for running storm over and over. Once you've played two or three times, you've seen and done most everything there is to see and do. The endgame is just running storm a bajjilion times until you have all the best pants, but why?
Though Journey had no incentive for going to the mountain again and again and again, and I've played that like infinity times, so maybe it will be fine.
hollow compass
Journey somehow feels different.
It has a very clear linear style and you know what will happen. You can also go oob with a skilful companion.
hybrid wedge
I wonder too. Before the reset my big motivation for going through Eden was getting permanent cape light, and nearly all of those many trips were solo. The last few times I've been through with friends, and it's been fun--how quickly vs. how safely can we get there? How well will we be able to dodge that last krill? || How long can we keep each other alive in the last room? || Will the game ever let us stay together in Orbit? And in Journey style, I've enjoyed helping first-time mountain climbers through too.
So, I suspect that, like Journey, what a person brings to the level will influence what they make of it.
hollow compass
But in Sky you’re given the illusion of freedom.
But the thing with Sky is that you don’t have to die in Eden, like you do in Journey, where your death is a sort of rebirth and release.
Eden is optional unless you want certain accessories and friendship levels.
main ivy
@hollow compass ||That bit about not having to die in Eden has gone through a change lately, haha||
(whoops massive type sorry, edited)
orchid nexus
Maybe, but if you use it, look out for || 
||
hollow compass
Sorry, gotta go play Lego City now. 😂
spark lance
@rotund quail, maybe that blinding white dot in your bug report is actually sending Morse code.
rotund quail
What do you mean by morse code?
spark lance
The system of dots and dashes used to send messages long ago.
rotund quail
There's a right place that always blinds me. Exactly in one of the houses where we collect wax
I've been in this place 5 times being that 3 were before the reset
At all times this happens to me. I have no other device to test
spark lance
It’s pretty bright for sure.
It would be nice to be able to use one display setting throughout the game, but I find the need to adjust brightness and temperature in different levels, mostly just in Eden now though.
rotund quail
I do not think it's a bright setting when it comes to Praire
But I agree with you about Eden
spark lance
In some places it would be easier if the bright white was replaced with pink or amber.
orchid nexus
Maybe that's punishment for glitching the gate? I only saw 4 layers in your video Harry 
rotund quail
There were more players trying to get through. But it sure was less than 8
rotund quail
in your opinion, where would be the best place to farm wax? Praire, Forest, Valley or Westland?
spark lance
I feel like Forest has the most, but I have never counted.
spark lance
If you do both races in valley and get a lot of the lights, you can get 2 candles from each race. I’m not the biggest race fan though.
radiant drum
Forest if you have time/patience, valley for quick wax
When I don’t have much time, I log in to get wax from home, prairies hub area, valley up until the ice rink and wastelands hub area. You can do it quickly and get 4-5 candles 
Oh and friends constellation 
spark lance
I’m still amazed how much wax I get from friend constellations.
hybrid wedge
gyaaaaagh so much "wax" 
my ears!
radiant drum
Sweet candle juice 
hybrid wedge
Embers. Light. Sparks. Anything but wax ><
spark lance
Wax has always felt awkward.
lusty light
Light or light essence is the official name but wax just stuck
Esp since for a while it was called candle wax blessings
spark lance
What about tallow?
lusty light
What does that mean :0
hybrid wedge
It was for a while, but wax is such an awkward word.
hybrid wedge
"Tallow: the white nearly tasteless solid rendered fat of cattle and sheep used chiefly in soap, candles, and lubricants"
_>
lusty light
Omg
spark lance
Heh, krill tallow
hybrid wedge
Light/Light essence fits what seems to be the story better than the nickname we'd been giving it though
spark lance
I agree ... light essence is beautiful to say unlike wax
hybrid wedge
👂
spark lance
Although sounds like an after-bath oil
My skin has never been softer thanks to .... Light Essence.
rotund quail
I did not know that TCG is naming things.
I imagined that we would be free to give names according to our interpretation
hybrid wedge
There's nothing stopping us from giving our own names to anything we want. I could call the giant creatures that attack us "Monster Flea Shrimp" and I won't get kicked out of the game, but TGC still needs to give things in the game some kind of name to be able to talk to players about it, and so that we know what things in the patch notes are referring to.
spark lance
When we give feedback and bug reports, it helps to have names of things and places we all know.
Level names have changed fairly often, so sometimes you will see places referred to by old names, but we try to stay current on those.
I like hearing what new players call things.
rotund quail
I understand now
In the race will you always win two sails or depends on how many lights you collect during the race?
I always try to collect all of them.
spark lance
There seems to be a threshold on the race collection meter that yields 2 candles. When I filled it halfway in the flying race (one the left through the citadel), I’ve gotten 2 candles. In the skiing race (on the right), I tend to walk a lot of the race trying to get all of the light spires. I got 2 candles on that race yesterday with the meter at 3/4.
When I’m collecting only stars in those races though, I just bomb through to get the stars. I find that a lot more fun.
When you’re doing the race with more players, the meter fills more quickly. For those who race with others, can everyone get 2 candles?
rotund quail
I never played with 8 players in the race
narrow arch
Nether have I, I would love to do it some day
rotund quail
@thin orchid ||what you reported happened to me too. I had to enter Eden after the Weekly reset to get other day star spirits that I evolved||
orchid nexus
@rotund quail @thin orchid It happens to everyone in that level, and the workaround is to force-quit the game before going out the big gate, then start again. After that you can collect the new stars.
Or, you know, go through the entire sequence again
spark lance
Going through Eden again is what was described in the patch notes, so it’s not a bug apparently.
To make the quit and re-enter steps work, @orchid nexus, you have to buy your upgrades in Eden, yes?
orchid nexus
It's unexpected, from this player's point of view.
spark lance
No, I don’t like it either.
orchid nexus
And yes, if you buy upgrades in Eden this works. Otherwise I wouldn't expect to receive upgrades anywhere else.
spark lance
We used to get them upon purchase in Home. Would prefer a return to that.
That was when we had, briefly, the 1:1 storm candles to stars given. My that was fun while it lasted.
rotund quail
||is it possible to upgrade the spirits within Eden and receive their stars before they even leave? I saw a section where I could look at the sky as I do in Home, including, look at constellation of favorite friends||
orchid nexus
Yes Harry, that's what I meant when I described force-quitting. Buy in Eden, and force quit before you leave.
rotund quail
I'm feeling silly. I upgrade the spirits after completing Eden, in Home😂
||Then I must make a new ascent through the storm to receive the stars. At least not anymore. Tks || @orchid nexus
finite pumice
@main ivy it’s used to be fairly open.
there is a really mixed viewpoint on the gates/barriers. some people hate them, some people seem to like the way they guide the moths. I am beginning to see the advantage of the guiding for the moths, however I take issue, like some here have overnight (for me) with the way that the barriers are forced upon players who have already breached them legitimately. My other main problems are visually, they are an eyesore, and don't look like they are part of the world itself.
like, if the devs want to place barriers into the game for their reasons, by all means do so, but those barriers should look, and feel like they are part of the same world. what we have now doesn't fit with the visual style and theme of the game at all. If you imagine yourself as your avatar, the barrier would be alien tech, like happening upon a stargate in the middle of trafalgar square, or at the door to st pauls catherdral. the barriers should be something akin to the world, like a spirit who politely stands in your way and indicates via a constellation above her head that entry to the area requires something you don't have. it needs to make sense. perhaps if the spirit had a stone table in which you place the light of an emote you've collected, that lights up a glyph, and when the glyphs are all lit, you can pass. this way also, once you've lit it all, there is no need to be stopped and challenged each time, and the spirit can just do the wave-at-friend emote as you sail on past.
viscid dragon
@finite pumice I agree with you in regards to the visual. Honestly, I think a relatively elegant solution (from my non-developer point of view) would be to simply make the barriers a one-time thing. Once you unlock one, it's gone forever - visual and all. That way it helps newer players stay on track, but doesn't hinder the flow for those of us that want to fly through a level with our six or seven wing wedges. It's a real drag to bang into a barrier, fall down, pull out the candle, wait for the opening to appear, slowly walk through, then immediately walk through a "loading" screen. Especially with a group.
I mention that because that seems like a fairly straightforward quality of life change that wouldn't require retooling the entire visual metaphor of the thing
finite pumice
@rotund quail this research from a player in the FB group might help you:
"1- Prairie: i got a consistent amount every day of 3 candles per day.
2-Forest: this area has some spots with burnable darkness that switch places every day (meaning that a spot that you burnt yesterday may not be there the next day) i got an estimated of 5.57 candles per day.
3-Mountain: the level that gives the most! I got a consistent amount of 7 candles per day. My go-to area to farm lol.
4-Wasteland: similar to Forest, some dark plants have different spots where they will spawn on or not spawn at all so i got an estimated amount of 3.67 candles per day.
5-Vault: like Prairie this level have some candles behind the doors of the first and second floor that I couldn’t access throughout my play gameplay so I managed to get an estimated amount 1.25 candles per day from that area.
• With this data I concluded that if you manage to farm all the spots in the game you can get an estimated amount of 21.49 candles per day including the free one you get every day at home."
Noting that TGC change this stuff all the time.
spark lance
Some green plants locations alternate days, but they’re all present on Sundays.
main ivy
"If you imagine yourself as your avatar, the barrier would be alien tech, like happening upon a stargate in the middle of trafalgar square, or at the door to st pauls catherdral."
I mean... you're not convincing me they're a bad thing, there, haha! I'd be extremely excited about a random stargate in the middle of a cathedral :D
I said before, but I think absolutely no one saw it: Maybe the barriers could vanish once you've opened them, but then when you get close they re-appear faintly so you can see their location? That way you can still help newbies.
spark lance
I would like the barriers to have a target so I can do a flying bullseye that opens them
short geyser
Why not keep the barriers for experienced players as a visual reminder, but instead of lighting them every time they can just go through them effortlessly. As an experienced player I would still want to know where the barriers are in case I hold the hand of an unexperienced player.
main ivy
Now that's something I can get behind! They're soooo slow to open, I don't like having to open them every time.
finite pumice
@short geyser that to me would be an acceptable compromise
radiant drum
@vagrant solstice please keep discussions about bugs outside of #beta-bugs-ios. Mention the person in another channel with what you have to say, as that channel is specifically for bug reporting and the slowmode isn’t very good to keep a conversation flowing ^^
finite pumice
@main ivy I saw what you said, and I don't think you're alone in saying it. My original wish was for them to be not there ever, but having seen the positive feedback from some I've come to accept that they are a necessary thing for some people. So now I just look for what you ask, to be able to not have to worry about their presence once we've shown that we are worthy of passing through them, as you ask. I still think though even with that, the visualisation is all wrong, even if the mechanism has some merits.
main ivy
It would be fun if they were more in-universe type things though, like you suggested. Maybe not a spirit exactly, but various things like maybe... Darkstone plants you can't melt until you meet the requirements, or a manta ray that needs to fly you past an obstacle and you can only summon it once you're strong enough, or even just like a regular gate in some of the more enclosed areas. That kind of stuff.
(and maybe throw in an invisible regular gate that vanishes when the obstacle is removed, to discourage glitching through)
Though there obviously isn't enough time for anything like that to be considered before release, and I would sorta miss the pretty effect that happens when you are opening the constellation gate.
finite pumice
sadly, no there probably isn't enough time.
main ivy
I bet Sky will continue to receive updates in the future though, due to the nature of the game and its platform. Maybe TGC likes the constellation gates the way they are and will leave them (I wouldn't mind, really it's just the waiting for them to open every time that's mildly annoying for me), but either way I bet the game will continue to improve even after global launch.
finite pumice
@main ivy they’ve made it very clear that beta will continue post launch. I imagine thus is how future seasons will be tested and new levels and so on. It may end up that beta will be our home.
analog delta
Problem is beta will almost certainly be reset periodically
finite pumice
Oh yes.
exotic gorge
So I was thinking they should add the aviary back and only allow access if you can fly to it solo once you reach 💯⭐️’s just a suggestion to motivate us to run Storm and get permanent stars
vapid drum
@exotic gorge our own 9 wedge playground with an actual working Oreo 😍
spark lance
@exotic gorge @vapid drum Or tame mini krill we can ride
vapid drum
@spark lance yeahhhhhh, I was just thinking that
spark lance
maybe a special cape that gets you through the gate
spark lance
@vestal patrol Just want to say hi to you. I don’t chat in-game but we can always chat here. 💫
golden fjord
I am getting so frustrated with storm. I had 2 other people poof and I cannot make it past the first 4 (I think) children statues without getting stunt locked. sighs I love this game but sometimes it becomes nerve wrecking like never before.
hybrid wedge
Stunlock is so frustrating. I haven't had that recently, but I've also started calling to make my kid stand back up when they're knocked over, which seems to be the fastest way to get them on their feet again.
golden fjord
Yeah, previous version seemed to deal with is better. The most recent update seem to have changed that. I have experienced being hit by the rock on my way to the climb and get frozen in place, not sure if this has been animation issue that just did not play or something, and then same inside the storm, where the rain would knock me over, I'd get up but be frozen in place for 3 seconds. Enough for the new wave to hit me.
Went in with 50 stars. Managed to only give it to about 6 children, which I am guessing isn't going to be even a full candle.
viscid dragon
Yeah I feel your pain. I don't really bother with Eden without a decently sized group so we can spam call at each other to recharge. I'm all for challenge but that last sequence definitely feels like it requires more luck than skill, unlike the rest of Eden.
I also find swiping to jump is more consistent at breaking out of the stun, but it's still pretty bad
golden fjord
Problem with that is, if you're going with people who have connection issues, or have them yourself you cannot rely on the fact that someone is going to save you. I wish you could just 100% single player this. I guess you can without doing storm. Ah well exhales It's okay.
hybrid wedge
Dang. I don’t think I’ve gotten that, and I’ve been to Eye of Eden I think three times during this build. I don’t know what the difference would be though apart from device--I was with a group of other people and relied on calling to stand back up, but we should be able to stand back up using normal controls.
OR, if the delay in standing back up is somehow intentional to represent our being dazed after being smacked in the face with flying boulders, some sort of animation or movement unique to this area could help convey that our Skykids are dazed, and maybe that would reduce how frustrated we feel at not being able to move. But even then, being trapped by the game and beaten with rocks while you can’t move is incredibly frustrating.
viscid dragon
Thematically I like the hopelessness of that final struggle but not when I'm trying to be rewarded for hours of star collecting
hybrid wedge
Frodo Nagati lives!
golden fjord
O, I was wrong, my struggles were awarded with 2 candles! This will do for pink cape and a mask. 
Also I am not going there ever again. 
spark lance
so you say 😁
golden fjord
Well, till it changes somehow again I shall keep my word!
hybrid wedge
Heh. I find that it can be pretty fun with friends, the same way a big drop on a roller coaster is fun. Your stomach churns a bit, but when it’s done you’re exclaiming to each other what a ride it was. If our schedules work out I’d be happy to go with you!
@spark lance They can't currently be bought in live, if I understand correctly, and I would be extremely surprised if the candles we get from going through Eye of Eden could simply be purchased at any point.
golden fjord
@spark lance You can only purchase normal and seasonal candles at this time.
@rotund quail Thank you for the heart! I will try to collect some candles to send one back.
lusty light
@spark lance @hybrid wedge you CAN buy candle packages in live and the only thing besides candles and season passes in the store is the orange cape which I hear is like 2 dollars or something
Wait were u talking about ascended candles I didn’t see ignore me 😖😖😖😖
hybrid wedge
I mean there are plenty of places you can buy scented candles, but ascended candles can only be found in the wild.
spark glacier
“Hi welcome to the sky beta. how tough are you” “I went through eden” “..yeah..?” “With my brightness turned off” “sweating nervously g-go right in”
golden fjord
I am hardcore like that. (Ignore nickname and picture) ...Yeah!
hybrid wedge
I currently have no choice but to be hardcore like that.
rotund quail
Kawaii hardcore hahaha
spark glacier
I lost somebody in eden last night..we went from a group of 4 down to just two of us ;-;
But I agree about the weird animation thing it’s very wonky sometimes
blazing stone
I’ve found that if I swipe like I normally do after getting knocked down in Eden , I just continuously flop like a fish. But if I do an extra long deliberate stroke I usually pop right up.
orchid nexus
Nice hat!
spark lance
Ibuprofen might help. Or a towerectomy.
rotund quail
Have you ever tried to help a troubled Krill?
I have😂
This Krill seems to be having trouble getting up like he's in jail. I fell a little worried for him. Do you think I can help him?
Nice joke @spark lance
Thanks for the compliment @orchid nexus I think I'm going to launch a fashion for next winter maybe
spark lance
Granite Hats by Harry for your next Stonehenge gathering 🗿
rotund quail
yea! collect stone candles for this
small sierra
Hello folks. I am getting multiple reports of players in Live suggesting that they are not getting all of their Wing Buffs/Stars on completion of the game. According to our internal tests, it all appears to work, but because a lot has changed and because a lot is still changing, it is possible people are simply misinterpreting how the game works at the end. Has anyone, who believes they have a strong understanding of the game, experienced this problem, or know what might be causing the confusion?
spark lance
Hi Robert. I have not experienced it but I believe it’s the one trip behind awarding method that’s confusing some players, i.e., what you buy with a storm candle is not awarded as a perm star until completing the next Eden run.
ADDED: Confusion too because they used to be awarded upon purchase.
thin orchid
@small sierra If players upgrade spirits in Eden after getting Storm candles they don’t get stars straight away and have to run through Storm again
vapid drum
Nope @small sierra , I think it’s the same as @thin orchid and @spark lance just wrote down. Edit , in the previous build I had a one time experience where I was sure I had collected all the stars and I knew how many permanent upgrades I had, but it didn’t add up. I missed one. I think Anastasia wrote about it
rotund quail
I was confused about how to get the permanent stars of the spirits but @spark lance helped me understand how it works
spark lance
From the 5/17/19 patch notes: Wing Buffs are no longer purchased in the menu. Instead, every Spirit you upgrade to tier 2 will meet you in Orbit to give you a bonus wing buff as you are reborn (including seasonal Spirits).
exotic gorge
I run Storm all the time and it’s been working as it said on the patch notes @small sierra
orchid nexus
It's not intuitive or expected behavior to purchase in Eden and then need to run through all of the level again. If you force-quit eden after purchasing, you can enter the level again and receive upgrades immediately.
rotund quail
@orchid nexuswow! Why did not I think of this before? 😂
orchid nexus
I don't expect to receive them when unlocking spirit menus outside of eden, but that might be because I read the patch notes. That might still be a source of confusion. Can anyone here say if you expect to receive wing buffs right away when unlocking spirit menus, or only during the final stretch of eden?
spark lance
I agree, Alex and perhaps because award timing was changed, more player education might have helped.
orchid nexus
It's so hard to get anyone to read anything.
spark lance
Robert, is this input you’re looking for?
@orchid nexus somehow a tooltip in Eden would be disruptive
hybrid wedge
There was also nothing in the sequence when I did unlock L2 with an emote spirit that indicated anything would happen with my cape.
orchid nexus
The icon to open the upper portion of the menu is like a winged light (which lets you fly higher)
@spark lance I hope you're joking...
orchid nexus
I say offer 1 candle to player as a reward for promising that they understand how upgrades work. And take that candle back if they send a support request.
hybrid wedge
Yeah, one icon like that isn't going to be enough to indicate what it means for the cape, especially because it's the same icon we use to unlock L2 interactions with friends without any impact on our cape.
spark lance
how PDFs requiring a digital signature?
orchid nexus
Registered mail?
spark lance
Faxes
orchid nexus
typewritten, carbon-copied.
spark lance
morse code
orchid nexus
@hybrid wedge what if the menu icon actually sparkled like winged light?
hybrid wedge
Then I would just be expecting to fly higher.
orchid nexus
flawless logic
small sierra
Yes @spark lance, this what I was looking for. Thank you everyone!
finite pumice
I haven’t experienced any of this but in opinion users rarely read manuals let alone patch notes. Even if they did, patch notes are a truly louse user manual.
Additionally, IMO if I purchase something with a storm candle I expect it NOW.
viscid dragon
Yeah it's definitely weird to not get the permanent star right away. I forgot about that and it was a definitely anticlimax when I was all stoked about my first few after the reset. But luckily I discovered the trick that Alex mentioned by accident. I'd be curious to hear what the rationale behind that change was, apart from "lengthening" the game by essentially locking people in to another full playthrough/storm run if they want to get their rewards.
finite pumice
The trick @orchid nexus mentioned is essentially a bug. If people have to use software bugs to feel like the game is fair or fun, then the game has a design problem. It’s like using the chat table to glitch through the storm door., or warping to get through storm. If you need to cheat to succeed then it’s a problem with the game. (And yes I know the word “cheat” is my interpretation of warping)
viscid dragon
I agree
orchid nexus
A FAQ has been created to help live players understand the current mechanic. This is not to say that there isn't a bug. Meanwhile, I was providing that information to help debug either design or code because either could address the underlying confusion, depending on what the designed purpose of the feature is. I believe that the intended design is receive purchased wing buff upgrades at the end of your current playthrough which makes perfect sense to me.
finite pumice
Ahhh @orchid nexus we differ again. 🙂. To me, if I’ve saved up to get this big $500 bill and want to blow it on something, I expect that something now. Everything else in the store is awarded at purchase. It’s inconsistent and quite obviously for a bunch of people, unintuitive.
orchid nexus
I'm not saying it's perfect as implemented, but that design changes could make that perception work.
For example: unlock the menu with a candle (which is a rare event) and then see a brief animation of the spirit sending a star flying off to the mountain. then you know it's waiting there for you.
I'm presuming that encouraging players to play through the game to the end, and repeatedly, is part of the design goal.
The layout of the menus is already helping with this a bit: the wing buff items appear as blocks to different portions of the menu, so the thing I'm paying for that I get now is access to the higher section of the menu.
As a player I feel this intuitively based on the menu design: I want to unlock the menus. Wing Buffs are more ephemeral and I understand after getting through the game, that I can expect to receive them only in the final scene.
There is a hide and seek feature in the game.
narrow arch
Why do you consider the hide and seek game as limited?
rotund quail
Hide and seek in Home is very small and in some worlds it is very large. I think I got the point
Perhaps a special and friendly area (such as Praire) designed especially for Hide and Seek or another game that can be implemented in the future
narrow arch
Idk the 100 second time limit and not being able to leave the area makes sense to me, the time limit to add some excitement and to pervent the seeker from trapping everyone in infinity hide and seek if the seeker goes afk lol
rotund quail
Good idea
narrow arch
actaully yeah that's a pretty solid idea
rotund quail
In fact it would be cool to do when you are waiting for the weekly or daily reset
Play some games with friends
narrow arch
Oooh what about a Tag mini game, that could be fun
rotund quail
I usually hear people playing instruments on Home
@narrow arch I Agree
In my country there is a children's game called "follow the master" where a player is the master and the others must imitate all his actions.
It would be nice if the master made a sequence of emotes and the others imitated in the same order
narrow arch
True its freeze tag is a fun game but I feel it wouldnt work well in a game that activly invoves flight as a mechanic, Normal tag would be a lot more engaging
Maybe the person who is it has a icon above them or something
rotund quail
@narrow archcould be like Hide and Seek. If I start the game I'll be the catcher. Others who accept will have to flee
The game ends when everyone gets caught
narrow arch
ok fair point
rotund quail
If someone else wants to be the catcher he starts a game later
narrow arch
I just wonder what would happen if you were caught mid flight lol
Like its own intstance?
rotund quail
@spark lance Have you ever tried to learn any musical instrument in-game
Maybe it's another way to spend time
I did not play this game
narrow arch
Nether did I
rotund quail
I know. I had an xbox
narrow arch
I have both, I just never played ether game
rotund quail
It would be nice
narrow arch
I mean, yeah I assume knowing how to do notes would make playing music easier then not knowing it. I mean the instruments in sky have their own notes to can play and although Im not sure how it would compair to this other game your talking about but its still really fun to figure out how to play songs in game
rotund quail
You could record videos with your songs on Sky and post on channel #sky-music
narrow arch
^^^
rotund quail
I strongly recommend getting one. You have a good vocation for music.
You need more players or record the separate instruments
finite pumice
@orchid nexus I like your suggestion. I think it would make it more intuitive, and the concept is consistent with other things like emote collection. that said, I'd still prefer to get my wing buff at the time of purchase, but if your suggestion were implemented, it would indeed be a worthy compromise.
main ivy
I like only being able to get the buffs if you run Eden after buying them, but I do feel like if you buy them in the last area you should just get them instead of having to run Eden again (or restart the game)
main ivy
Just ran Prairie again. Since the scene got extended, the big triumphant music plays over the light coming up into the sky and the butterflies are silent except quiet butterfly tinkly noises. But today, I noticed a quiet little piano song. I was thinking, 'Wow, what a cute addition! So nice and relaxing after the big music bit.' But then I realized... It wasn't game music, someone was practicing the piano! Haha.
I wanted to sit and listen, but it turns out that now if you're in the range of the big powerful tutorial hand, you are completely unable to move. You have to do the butterfly call. I sorta get that, a lot of players get stuck there because they never learned how to call (similar with the sunken city rest stop in Journey- you have no idea how many times I've seen that happen.) But even after I called and returned, The Hand commanded me to call. So I couldn't just hang out with the fun piano person.
hybrid wedge
You can go back down and hang out down there, but The Hand will trap you if you get too close to the shrine.
main ivy
Yeah. My piano friend was riiight next to the shrine though. I don't know how. Maybe they hadn't seen the cutscene yet? 🤷
lusty light
Remember that you need to appease The Hand lest this happens to you
main ivy
Oh that is excellent
hybrid wedge
Yeah, Shira, probably they hadn't done the cutscene.
main ivy
Ugh also: The boulder bit in the first part of eden makes me so mad. It used to be like a gentle timing tutorial thing to prepare you, now it's the most unforgiving part of the whole thing. One tiny mistake (easy when the indication for when it's safe is really vague and not very reliable) and you get sent back to the start, and you lose your stars, and even though you should be able to fly back up the game forces you back, and all your friends leave you, and your heart is broken and sad and alone :(
I came here to have fun, not to be punished and abandoned :'(
hybrid wedge
Yeah, the wind power seems to have been cranked up too far recently. 😦
lusty light
🚫no flying allowed in storm🚫
finite pumice
Ugh
@solar dragon now we on beta want an update too! 🤗 please...🍰
Note the cherry on top.
warm timber
main ivy
I wonder if eden should have some mechanic that encourages groups to stay together. large groups are chaotic and tend to split, sometimes completely by accident. A player who falls behind can be abandoned simply because one person went ahead, and then another followed them, and then the rest of the group was so afraid of being left behind that they all went too.
In Vault there's that meditate stone that charges faster (I think?) when you have more players. Maybe there should be two or so points along the way where there's a similar obstacle that you need to stand at for a bit to clear. The speed to clear it could be based on the number of people in the room. So if all 5 people in a 5 person room were there it would be cleared almost instantly, and the same for 2 people in a 2 person room. But if you only had 2 people there in a 5 person room, the speed would be reduced significantly, forcing them to wait.
This would give players who fell behind a chance to catch up, but wouldn't totally stop the faster players if the people behind them are AFK or struggling and are just never going to get there.
rotund quail
About the group to distance themselves in Eden. At some points where you fall or be pushed by the wind, it is impossible for you to leave the place that fell alone (whether jumping or flying), without having to use the teleport forcibly. There are areas that need to be reviewed because the player is literally stuck with no alternative but to use teleportation
Teleporting means getting more and more distant from the group because you end up returning to the beginning of your checkpoint
Remembering that you can not teleport to your friend within Eden, even though he has entered with you. I think if that were possible, teleport it to your friend who came in with you, should resolve the distance group problem.
main ivy
I'm not sure. That would mean if you fell behind you'd have to exit the level, find their friend star, and then miss a large chunk of the level as you teleport to where they are. Seems like it would mess with the pacing, and people would miss stuff.
rotund quail
I understand your point about teleporting to a friend, but what do you think about my first observation?
I think the map of Eden should be prepared so that the player can get back on the right path without having to be forced to teleport home and then return to Eden
main ivy
Yeah I assume the getting stuck forever is probably a bug, should definitely be fixed.
finite pumice
It really bugs me that we are still having these conversations with 14 days to launch readiness (if they’re changing stuff after that I’d be surprised/concerned).
main ivy
(I liked the old way where it was ||technically possible to survive||. I'd really enjoy it if they kept most aspects of the hailstorm section more or less identical, but if ||very strong players in groups had a chance of, with great skill, reaching some destination before dying||.)
finite pumice
@hybrid wedge wait... there’s crabs in storm now? Oh geeze. Or are you just talking about the ones in the crab pot?
main ivy
Sorta wish there was more to do in the eden waiting room. It's sorta grim and empty in there, players give up fast. Wish there was something fun to play around on while waiting.
orchid nexus
Like a slide and monkey bars?
orchid nexus
see-saw
main ivy
No those are too scary, the children could get hurt
Also I hate door glitching. Both the glitches to bypass the door and the glitches to open the door solo. Twice now in just the past few minutes I've been left behind by a door glitcher.
Make that three times.
If they didn't all glitch the darn door to go solo, we'd have all gotten to go together by now :/
hybrid wedge
@finite pumice Yep, the ones in the crab pot.
main ivy
Ok I official hate the pre-title Eden area. I'm mad. Just got tossed back to the start for no reason, way past the rocks area.
orchid nexus
The water around the big pipes?
otherwise I can't think of any place where you should be swimming.
main ivy
I can think of another place- krill patrol pipe zone has water at the bottom. And the swimming was glitched bad there, last time I was there.
I remember I got stuck bad. Broken swimming, so dark it was almost entirely black, disoriented, low, energy drained...
orchid nexus
Yes, we 3 are all talking about the same spot. I've fallen in there, and the first thing to do is get out of the water! It might mean not heading directly for wher eyou want to be
main ivy
Hard when you can't see what's water and what isn't, ha
It's a little funny how many ways there are to describe the same place and how hard it is for others to figure out that description.
exotic gorge
The devs said they also reset the beta to see how long it would take us to unlock everything again. So I was just wondering how many spirits have everyone unlocked using the storm candles I’ve got 16 unlocked so far.
main ivy
I've only run Eden twice, so I only have a handful. I've got cool hair mostly. Not much else.
warm timber
Do you think there preparing a new beta wave?
orchid nexus
I don't think it was specifically how long leveling up would take, but an overall test of the whole flow of the economy and how players interact with a fresh start.
hollow compass
I unlocked 4 because I want only those 4 locked items. I also used a candle for a friend.
I don't think I will be trying to unlock everything again.
main ivy
Yeah I'm not going for completion until the game actually comes out
hollow compass
it seems a given that not all players will want to unlock everything
I've even heard some seasoned players say they don't want to unlock all friendship levels
if you're both on discord you can usually chat here while playing anyway
rotund quail
today I noticed that some black plants are no longer in the place where "always" they were. I missed many of them in the forest
spark lance
Hi Harry, some plants alternate days, some are present all the time. On Sundays all the plants in all locations are available.
rotund quail
Oh well I suspected. Tks @spark lance
tulip moat
Well I know what I'm doing this Sunday
spark lance
and every Sunday for the rest of your life
orchid nexus
Have a mimosa with brunch?
tulip moat
Tried mimosas, were meh
orchid nexus
lol, just thinking of things people do on Sunday
tulip moat
Also, I've got a question regarding the Valley. If
whoops
rest to come soon
If you take the flying path,and collect your wax at the end, can you not go through the sliding path and get more wax?
spark lance
If whoops, just go Home and return. 🤪
You can do both races and get was from both.
wax
They reset for you every 24 hours
apparently... we believe to the best of our knowledge and information
Unlike candles/burnables that reset each night at midnight PST
And Eden that resets Saturday at midnight PST .... it will really clog up your calendar
tulip moat
Thanks for all the info, and as gratitude you get a heart
spark lance
you’re welcome, Bob. We’re here to tell bad jokes and help new players
and old players too for that matter
tulip moat
Then I'll have a lot to offer this discord
spark lance
hahahaa, we’re counting on it
spark glacier
Ah! Eden is a weekly reset?
main ivy
yep
spark glacier
Oh that makes a lot more sense now. I was like || “there’s no way people have time to do a eden run then rush through and pick up spirits all in 24 hours.||
main ivy
Haha. Technically there is time! Assuming Sky is the only thing you do, and you use the cutscenes for quick eating and bathroom breaks.
orchid nexus
There's a way: Obsess!
But also, you don't have to collect all spirits. Technically you only need 10 to enter, and I've found 35 to be a reasonable minimum for having a productive playthrough.
spark glacier
Would you just just go trough, a second time to pick up any statues that you missed in your first run? Or if you just had a bad run overall?? Well yeah! That too!!
I have a full time job so it’s hard for me to collect things all in one day ;w;
orchid nexus
I've gone through 3 times this week and gotten 6 candles.
main ivy
No Alex! If we're doing it every day, we'll do it ALL! Every star! Every wax! Every day!
spark glacier
I get about 3-5, thid is my second time going in though, and it was a lot more bumpy then my first
fleet maple
So now storm have no reset?
main ivy
We were joking @fleet maple :)
||It resets weekly ||
fleet maple
Oof ok
spark glacier
I need to get better at Hording candles to give to friends for hearts now ;w;
I go trough the day and get my 15 but I give them away just as fast as I gain them
orchid nexus
In order to not feel guilty about greed, I'm giving away at least 1 heart daily.
main ivy
Yeah haha. "Oh good, another candle! I was out!"
Literally anyone: "Hello friend! Let's hold hands!"
And then Shira was out of candles again.
spark glacier
Ok I think I got it now
Work > get home and collect daily candles > give out hearts > || collect remaining spirits and if it’s the end of the week, die and reset ||
BAM MY WEEKLY SKY RUN.
Or I could just save up my candles till the end of the week. And give hearts out in bulk to active friends.
THERES A PATTERN HERE SHIRA, I WILL FIND IT.
rotund quail
missed a step in your Weekly Sky run: helping friends
spark lance
And what about silly dancing in high places?
rotund quail
Have you ever had a dance emote, right? I think it was seasonal
I like meditate in high placas. As a great sage
spark lance
We did have a dance emote, and used to get it in the ice rink.
Harry, we’ll need some photos of altitude meditation, eh
rotund quail
True, I can not be selfish and keep these moments just for me. We need to share
spark lance
I want to see Harry the Sage ... you might need the beard mask tho
rotund quail
Yeah....I can not be a sage without a beard of respect!
spark lance
I mean beard hair, not mask
rotund quail
For now I'm just a Padawan of sage
spark lance
Hahhaaa
spark lance
Very cool, congrats!
One of my new fun ways to spend time here is scrolling through the #beta-bugs-ios to find out which ones TGC has green checkmarked.
rotund quail
What does it mean to receive a mark from TCG?
spark lance
It means they will be/or are working on it or at least it’s on their priority list.
rotund quail
Oh🤔
spark glacier
Yee the ticks are fun to watch
spark lance
I believe it was Eileen who explained they can handle smaller items before the launch.
warm pewter
It means it's been registered by the team and they've documented it. If no check, then they haven't done anything with it yet
I think Jenova also said on the livestream that he will sometimes put an ok react if he's already fixed it for the next update
spark lance
It’s so helpful to have a window into this.
warm pewter
But I don't think he does it for all of the bugs they fix. Just if he's reading through the bugs and happens to see it
spark lance
Well, fair enough @peach
rotund quail
sometimes I post bugs on the beta group on Facebook
I do not know if they mark the reports the same way
But I'm glad they looked at my report ^^
spark lance
I can understand why they prefer reports to be posted here.
finite pumice
no, they don't mark them on FB, but they are reading them. I have reverted to FB again; whilst I hate the platform, it's by far, a superior way to report the bugs.
oh, sad-face. I've just realised that yes, indeed, the dance emote is gone. Why? It was so lovely. Early on, it was by far my fave. 😭
hybrid wedge
One thing I like about the bugs channel here is that I get to see the bugs other people have, without it getting buried by Facebook's annoying and arbitrary algorithms. It jogs my memory for other bugs I've had (same ones and different ones), and makes it easier to answer questions even if it's an issue I haven't had on my own device.
golden kernel
Did anyone else notice the grammar error in the Vault of Knowledge intro? It says "Climb the Vault, its wisdoms awaits"
main ivy
I never can remember how its and it's work in those situations.
Better than the old text though! Used to be really awkwardly worded.
golden kernel
Now I'm curious... What did it used to say?
main ivy
Something like "Climb the vault, The Knowledge awaits" I think?
They were sticking "awaits" into a lot of levels back then. There was a brief time where we had something like "Race down the ridge, The Glory awaits" as well.
I wonder why they decided to change the game's name, with how hard they were pushing awaits for a while there. Is it because googling "Sky: lights awaits" came with with a "Did you mean Skylights await?" suggestion? Or was the name too similar to another app? Or did something something market research and testing indicate that another name would work better?
I'm really curious.
golden kernel
@main ivy Wow, you're like a historian! When did you start playing? I only started a couple months ago and I'm so constantly confused that I still consider myself "new".
main ivy
@golden kernel
I started playing way back! Before that, even!
My first picture is dated early January 2018.
If you ever want to know dumb trivia about old Sky stuff, feel free to ask! I'm like a bearded old lady skykid, eager to go on long tangents about "back in my day" haha
radiant drum
Shira is our archivist, has all the knowledge 
golden kernel
@main ivy LOL that's so cool. I feel like I mostly understand the game but anytime I look through the discord I'm lost in how far people are. I could probably get father in the game myself if everyone I knew didn't have Google phones... Sigh
main ivy
If it helps, none of my Sky friends started as real life friends. I don't have anyone else irl who plays Sky either, haha. Some of my Sky friends used to be Journey friends, but many are new to me with Sky! Like Mirian, who is super cool and ultra nice :D
golden kernel
Good to know there's such a great community built around the game . Maybe I'll try and make some "Sky friends" too. 😉
hybrid wedge
Fact: Winged light lets you fly higher, but not as high as friends do.
spark lance
@main ivy ... the way to remember its and it’s is the apostrophe is a replacement for the letter “i” in it is. If you say it is aloud when you use it’s and it doesn’t make sense for possessive, use its.
Grammar talk kills the convo, sorry.
spark glacier
I was a January 2018 player as well but shira is pretty much the sky scribe
rotund quail
@tulip moat How many hearts for the purple Cape?
tulip moat
It’s 30 hearts @rotund quail
In talking about capes tho, one thing that is a little annoying is the cape no longer looks purple on the spirit because of the shading from ascending said spirits
It threw me for a loop when I ascended this spirit, and thought I ascended the wrong one
sour tinsel
Hmmm, well the positive way to look at it is to view it as a pleasant surprise. I’m sure the devs will get that fixed.
finite pumice
My cape, my cape, the hearts of thirty friends for my cape. Oh, wait....
tulip moat
True, but tbh it’s so small that I’d be fine if they didn’t lol, I know there are a lot of other more important things
🖤
tulip moat
Ultimate combo:
-white cape
-sage beard
-chibi mask
-the instrument from the hiding emote from the wasteland (looks like a circular harp)
-any pant
And boom!! Go be a tiny sage meditating in some high up place
rotund quail
@tulip moat This circular instrument is a Bass
tulip moat
Thanks @rotund quail
Guess ya learn something every day
hollow compass
my ultimate combo:
- red cape
- long "curtain" hair
- long wide trousers
- chibi mask
- chair
rotund quail
@spark lance @thin orchid I absolutely loved your ideas of suggestions in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived.
thin orchid
Thanks, @rotund quail
spark lance
Have we seen any black capes yet? I have 20 hearts to go ....
vapid drum
I’ve got 2 people in my constellation with black cape
rotund quail
I wanted to be the first. Haha ha
orchid nexus
I won't be the first by a long shot, but I will look the best in my black cape! 
orchid nexus
I had a daydream a while back about having a Robert Plant outfit available during the Season of Rock!!! Many other classic looks to collect.
rotund quail
Is there something like Rock Season? 👀
orchid nexus
No
rotund quail
Oh, I got the idea. It's a daydream
orchid nexus
I think the KISS outfits would be the most popular.
rotund quail
Masks like Kiss
Wow
If I had a rock band on Sky, I would give the name "The Krillers"
hybrid wedge
It can't be transferred from beta to the live version, no.
Whatever progress you have in the beta will stay only in the beta.
orchid nexus
But Jenova suggested that our beta friend lists might actually be sent from beta to live when the game launches, but that it could only be done once. I would be very happy if that happened.
hybrid wedge
@main ivy and @thin orchid , about your suggestion earlier in the other channel about a butterfly jar--I wonder if this could work in place of the glow spell? It seems like everyone who had used it does it to try to get more light in an area, but having butterflies like that could cast light in the terrain in our immediate vicinity and be a lot cuter (and maybe easier to make not blind us?) than just a glowy Skykid.
(And maybe with some slow recharging abilities? Might be too OP though.)
spark lance
Butterflies would be delightfully charming. I wouldn’t miss the glow spell. What about a 180 degree headlamp built into the crown-headpiece masks? Nah, butterflies are better. Maybe they could charge us too.
hybrid wedge
🦋
viscid dragon
Yes please! Or at least make the glow spell - y'know - actually light up the area. I remember I tried to use it during my first Storm/Eden run and it just made things 10x harder to see
finite pumice
@solar dragon happy to do #Australian translations for free. 🙂
hybrid wedge
@charred wedge (Chatting about one of your suggestions here 
), I feel your pain on the darkness levels in the game recently. It seems like a bug, though--some of us have already reported it in #beta-bugs-ios. high-five of sad darkness Hope it gets fixed soon.
charred wedge
I hope that it's just a bug but I hope they fix it if not! It makes everything wayyyyy too difficult imo
viscid dragon
Don't forget you can pull out your candle for a bit of extra light. It's a bit frustrating how often your sky kid likes to put it away, but it helps me in a pinch. Especially figuring out the walls in Eden.
main ivy
@hybrid wedge I think it would work best as a back item for many reasons.
- Rule of cute! Wouldn't that be adorable, to wear the big butterfly jar? Just imagine a Sky kid sitting around in a peaceful spot next to a big butterfly jar.
- The pot could force you to stay in place while in use, which would help with...
- Visibility. Not being blinded by butterfly swarm during movement and
- Balancing. Could make it so the recharge area (if any) was wider than the normal kid range and fairly powerful without becoming OP, because you wouldn't be able to travel while using it.
- Ability to turn it off at any time. The worst part of the glow spell is that you can't cancel it as desired, and I think you'd want to be able to cancel butterflies if need be.
viscid dragon
I love the idea of the butterfly pot. One of the Prairie spirits is wearing one on his back already - what a tease!
charred wedge
The thing is, it's frustratingly hard to use the candle for light because if you even so much as think about making a small jump to get to a platform, poof, no more light and you might fall because where did the platform go it was right there I swear
main ivy
Yep, agreed
viscid dragon
Yeah, I feel you. I have to imagine they'll be tweaking the brightness very soon.
In general, I wish the candle would stay out until you intentionally put it away or got knocked over by something. Drives me nuts to constantly tap all over the place to light things, especially when someone else is leading
main ivy
I wonder if they'll also add more general things to look at. Like in the pipe there's red rock things that makes the entrance to the pipe ultra visible even with all the darkness. A few things like that on the edges of or nearby to important ledges/shelters would go a long way.
hybrid wedge
@charred wedge Yep. I love climbing through Eye of Eden, but I can see so little that I basically find someone to lead and just hold their hand. Metallic glitch helps, but I can't exactly predict when that's going to happen on my device.
viscid dragon
What I do like about the extreme low light is that all the guide torches on the way up are extremely useful. It feels good to light them as you go up, knowing it will help people in your group if they are behind you.
hybrid wedge
@main ivy I expect Eden's still slated for changes. It's looking nicer than before, but still not the kind of polish we've seen in other levels.
Yes, Tailsun, I love doing that!
About a hypothetical butterfly pot,
viscid dragon
Discord makes me feel old and long for old timey bulletin boards. I feel like we have so many good discussions but they are lost in time, like tears in rain.
hybrid wedge
Maybe if it was something that could recharge other people the carrier is with, though not the carrier? Though maybe that's redundant since we charge each other. Or maybe something stationed somewhere as a temporary charge spot, for a short amount of time?
Yeah. 😦
viscid dragon
I think it could be an alternative for holding hands for those you aren't friends with. You could pop out your butterflies near a hard to reach ledge, and they could be a one-time boost for someone. Maybe sacrifice a bit of wax to use them or something. I dunno.
charred wedge
Maybe it could speed up how fast we recharge each other?
hybrid wedge
We have a fast recharge spell for that though.
charred wedge
Could be different speeds, or just same function but different methods of obtaining
hybrid wedge
Or nix the charge stuff, make them just cast light and be fun. Maybe do cute little moves or chiming along in harmony when someone's playing an instrument.
main ivy
Haha. Pot instrument with twinkly sounds!
viscid dragon
Yes please. Light creature pets. I want a baby crab that isn't mean.
main ivy
I'm usually opposed to the idea of actual animal pets because I feel like it would dampen the loneliness that drives players to interact with real people, but... When I hear crab my brain just turns off and goes CRAB FRIEND! CRAB FRIEND! CRAB FRIEND! 🖤 🦀
viscid dragon
I want a lil crab that lives in a basket on my back, and he holds a tiny candle lantern in his claw
crab friend
hybrid wedge
TGC have pretty good reasons for not having pets, but maybe portable butterflies could scratch that itch. XD
viscid dragon
A boy can dream
main ivy
c r a b f r i e n d
empty inlet
They've said before it is not the time to consider such things
main ivy
(Seriously though I think an actual animal pet would be better as an easter egg like Oreo or a variation like the baby jellyfishes, not a thing that belongs to you and follows you)
viscid dragon
I'll consider it for them, then. CRAB FRIEND.
viscid dragon
Crab friend.
warm timber
Awwww
charred wedge
Is it a bug that as soon as you get knocked down (eg by a rock) you cannot get back up for several moments in which you can continue to be hit with rocks helplessly?
viscid dragon
My guess is that it's intended, but could use some balancing. I don't think they've said one way or another yet.
charred wedge
It feels like it makes the game difficult for the sake of being difficult, which, imo, isn't good
hybrid wedge
@charred wedge It sure feels like a bug . I've found that if I press on my Skykid to call, they get up pretty quickly.
viscid dragon
Yeah, I think I agree. That last bit of Eden is intense enough, don't need to add Endless Frustration to the mix
charred wedge
I love the whole game up until Eden. Eden just feels pointlessly difficult because the section I keep getting stuck on, you can't get through without getting hit over and over again between the wind, the rocks, and the Krill
viscid dragon
I like how your kid gets slower and slower as you reach the end though
So heartbreaking
hybrid wedge
Have you gone by yourself or with other people?
(I'd offer to help take you through but with my screen so dark I don't think I'd be much help )
charred wedge
I like that, but I don't like the section that I'm now about to start my fifth try on in the last hour. I've always gone by myself because I've never been able to find someone to go with. There was a small point in the start of Eden that I had some people at one point my first go through, but I've never been in this section with someone else.
hybrid wedge
I've run Eye of Eden by myself and with others, and I like both for different reasons, but lately I've been thinking it's much improved by others.
If you're already that far ahead though I'm not sure if I can get to you/get to you quickly enough.
viscid dragon
@Lachlan if you can get me in the door, I'd be happy to run the rest of it with you
@charred wedge
The misadventures are a lot better if you have friends to laugh about it with
charred wedge
I can't because once you've got a savepoint, you can't really go back
viscid dragon
Oh, right :\
charred wedge
I wish there were more checkpoints, also
viscid dragon
Yesterday I ran with someone fairly new and we got glitched out right before the safe point at the very end, and had to use an antigrav to fly wayyyy up above the invisible walls and find a way back in. Then the krill got us like four times. But once we finally made it, it was amazing. He was a good sport.
hybrid wedge
Oh wow, glad you guys had a good run!
@charred wedge Next time you run Eye of Eden, if you want someone to go with go ahead and ping me in #beta-looking-for-group.
charred wedge
It just feels frustrating for the purpose of frustrating when you can't move forward and lose 20 wing power ups in one spot because you keep getting pelted (in the section of the raining rocks)
viscid dragon
Why did you go to Eden if not to lose all of your wing powerups? (Sorry, I'm only kidding :P)
charred wedge
I went into this particular section with 35, and I wanted to give at least 20 of those to the statues because I don't know what that does but the statues seem like they'd be happier with it, but I was only able to give about 5 because of the rock rain.
hybrid wedge
high ember
On the subject of pets:
Just wishful thinking here, but I’d like to have a tiny green hummingbird follow me around. Just like the butterflies, tiny, flitting around me slightly glowing, but all green, and landing on my shoulder when I go idle for more than a minute. Not doing anything useful, just there.
sour tinsel
That sounds adorable, ScarfJawa. I also think a tiny kitten that can fly with you by riding on our shoulders would be cute too! Any other pets anyone? ☺️
narrow arch
A tiny baby Manta would be a great pet friend~
viscid dragon
Would have to train him to tone down the constant arrrOOOOOoooo's though...
narrow arch
Lol true
tulip moat
Big Wall of Ideas Below, heads up.
We could have pets that are already creatures in the game, that way designing them would be easier.... (some things said are from the referenced users, cause they creative people)
-butterflies of varying colors(curtesy of @high ember )
-tiny mantas, both normal, cosmic/see through, and those huge white ones at the end of the prairie(curtesy of @narrow arch )
-maybe a tiny krill, or a tiny version of the large cosmic creature in the vault (it has several wing things), or a tiny version of whatever flies around the social area just before the wasteland (is that a worm? Or a fish? I have no clue)
-they could just float around you, and maybe perch up either when idle (again from @high ember) or when using emotes that keep you in a single position (sit, meditate, pray, and of course the butterfly holding emote for the 8 person cave door, etc)
-and for shorter lasting emotes they could do a little dance or something that mimics the player (like having a manta flap one of its wings, that would be so cute)
End of Wall of Ideas, now I am tired and will sleep, g’night y’all 💤💤
high ember
I turned up the brightness on my iPad mini 4 and it helped greatly in Storm, but it’s too bright for any other area or anything else I’m doing on the iPad. I mostly play at night and it’s fairly dim in the room, so keeping the brightness as high as most people using their device during the day strains my eyes (I like it about 2/5 of the way up). I’ll just have to turn it up when I go to a storm and turn it back down afterward, I guess.
spark lance
@high ember I do the same except that I turn it back down for Orbit.
spark lance
@hybrid wedge about the disappearing teleport to random icon: when it’s missing I step into the Eden lobby momentarily and then have it for a few levels. I hope it will be present in the menu all the time soon.
rotund quail
I have a tip, do not jump or use glowing spell inside Eden. Stay close to your friends to recharge your cape. Use your candle, touching the emote of the fire, to light your path. Unlike using glowing spell, the light is smoother and comfortable to the eyes.
hybrid wedge
@spark lance Oh, yeah, that works to get it in the settings menu. But this time, the game behaved as though it was on my regular screen but invisible. I tapped the spot on the screen at about 2 o'clock from my kid's head where the screen just showed the terrain, but suddenly up popped the dialogue saying "You seem to be alone here, wanna teleport?"
rotund quail
Using glowing spell increases the contrast of something very light by fighting with something very dark. This disrupts more than helps
spark lance
Oh that prompt. I thought that popped up after a certain number of calls when we’re alone (just a guess).
I also wondered if TGC counts the number of “no” responses to that “wanna teleport” prompt. 10,000 to 5 ... see we like being alone sometimes.
hybrid wedge
That would be funny if that were the case, but I don't think it is. I was playing the piano by myself, then flying around for a while looking for the emote in that area, not much chirping going on.
spark lance
Would be cool to get new beta invites this weekend, else it would be pointless as the game is releasing in just a few weeks
lusty light
Beta will continue alongside global release so it won’t be like you only get to play beta for a week or two
spark lance
Even when it’s globally live, it will be fun to stay in the beta to know what might be coming to live.
Well as long as you don’t loose any progress you could made during those beta test it’s ok.
TGC set the expectation that the beta will reset in the future as its testing needs change.
I don’t mind at all though. I’m game to test whatever comes down the pipe.
And @spark lance, you may know this, but the beta progress won’t transfer to live.
Yep I know 😃
spark lance
After an Eden run a couple nights ago, sitting on the stone slab in Home, I saw a message that didn’t stay on the screen very long. It said something to the effect “... awarded on next Eden visit.” Despite multiple Eden trips this week, this was the first time I’d seen it. It seems like a good idea. Is it new without an upgrade, or did I simply miss it previously?
main ivy
I almost never say yes to the "hey wanna teleport to some randoms?" prompt. Though it's not because I want to be alone. Usually I picked the level I'm in for a reason, and I don't want to abandon it for some other location.
spark lance
I love teleport to random to help others and just for the fun to see where I’ll land. I notice it no longer takes us to Orbit.
I don’t always want to do straight playthroughs, so the randomness can break up the usual farming routine.
orchid nexus
Not to mention for free farming workers!
main ivy
Ha!
spark lance
Oh my word, yes.
main ivy
But but
I wanna be the one who sets fire to things!
spark lance
Wasteland first area all lit — yee ha.
main ivy
But but
I wanna be the one who gets attacked by crabs!!
spark lance
sure sure 😆
orchid nexus
Different play styles can't always be compared. Some of us want to exploit the workers, and others want to burn it all down. We can peacefully coexist.
spark lance
I bequeath to Shira all the unturned crabs.
Weirdly, when I’ve had a stressful day, the act of lighting things—every last one—is therapeutic.
I suppose it’s like weeding in the garden.
vapid drum
Is the livestream with the devs still Gonna happen ??
main ivy
They tend to be a bit late starting
hybrid wedge
(which personally is appreciated by those who tend to be a bit late arriving cough)
spark lance
Update is here!
radiant drum
Update was a bit late to the stream as well
rotund quail
OMG. They translate the names to portuguese!
radiant drum
Best language in the world hype! :p
finite pumice
did not get the update notification.
like what I see in the patch notes though. looking forward to hearing what Storms visibility is like now.
tulip moat
Just updated, and my game has crashed about 5 times now, twice when I tried to follow along with Harry and dune, and three more times trying to complete the forest level (it started me off in the final area where the ancestor is for some reason)
viscid dragon
Playing on iPad Pro, the improved lighting, bumpmapping, etc is INSANE. Looks SO good.
hybrid wedge
@viscid dragon please post screenshots! : ) I think I see a little bit of difference in Forest, but I'm not sure that my old iPad mini is up for all the visual improvements. ^^
umbral glade
I just got an adventure pass? Did I mistap or something? Didn’t think that was possible.
hybrid wedge
@umbral glade Behold! https://thatgamecompany.helpshift.com/a/sky-light-awaits/?s=patch-notes&f=patch-notes---beta---0-4-10-136188---june-20th-2019&l=en
hybrid wedge
(Teamwork ftw)
tulip moat
If we purchase the adventure pass in the beta, will we have to purchase it again once the game launches?
radiant drum
@tulip moat the pass you purchase is valid for that season only
If the gratitude season continues in launch, beta and live are separate so you will need to purchase it in your new live account (even if you have it in the beta)
And the pass is free in beta anyway 
so it would be unfair to keep it when the game launches
tulip moat
Oh, didn’t know the pass was free in beta, and thanks for the other info as well @radiant drum
umbral glade
My stance keeps getting stuck in “scared”. Just me?
finite pumice
So when Jenova said we’d get a more elegant solution than the mode toggle atrocity of a UX he just meant we’d get a more elegant looking atrocity. So unimpressed right now.
And flying into prairie still forces us into s landing. Crap.
They’re doubling down on stuff instead of fixing it.
hybrid wedge
@umbral glade That's a bug that's popped up from time to time.
spark lance
@tulip moat sorry Forest didn’t work well, but it was nice to see you briefly!
tulip moat
@spark lance I was excited to do seasonal stuff with you and Harry, and then my game proceeded to crashed and has crashed about 15 times at this point trying to get to a group
Good for the short time tho
spark lance
I hope tomorrow goes much more smoothly for you, @tulip moat
tulip moat
Me too 😅
spark glacier
Woops D:
finite pumice
Oh god. Another barrier. Why ? It’s not possible to get here without an emote so why? This just doesn’t make sense.
spark glacier
Ok time to finish this level
hybrid terrace
And hopefully we won't break it too badly this time!
hybrid terrace
It is done!
And I must be off, as I have work in the morning
But it was a lot of fun adventuring with you all
rotund quail
@finite pumice they put a barrier on the castle's forest gate. I also did not like it very much but I think they want to force you to know a minimum of spirits before proceeding
spark glacier
@tulip moat Dont worry, ill make sure I get the chat emolte with you tonight before I run eden!
spark glacier
Your good, if we hit this race track, i can get enough!
umbral glade
I will have to leave soon too. Juggling chargers and that’s a metaphor for me being tired too 😅
exotic gorge
Anyone find the new sassy emote 🤔
main ivy
I think maybe it actually is possible to get up there sans emote if you use the clouds? So that would explain why. Would be nice if they could make it so unlocking one gate also unlocked the other for you though.
finite pumice
But to do that, you'd need enough cape wedges which to me implies that you have those emotes. I've been hoping for fewer gates, or smarter gates like you've suggested @main ivy that don't show for people that can pass them. Seems we're going in the opposite direction. It's obviously too late/hard to change or improve on this prior to launch now, so I think we're stuck with them. What a great shame.
lusty light
You could totally skip over emotes and get just winged light
Emotes don’t equal flight power
main ivy
Oh! My wish has come true already! I went to Isle to test if I could get up there on low cape power, and see that they already did remove the constellation barrier from in front of the take off point.
Also: The closed wing mode button looks like a kid with really big hair now, haha
finite pumice
Yeah that button I think is supposed to be the kid falling with the cape billowing above. Doesn’t work for me, but then I hate the mere existence of the button.
hollow compass
Isn't flying (into Forest) a lot faster?
finite pumice
@lusty light you are of course correct and now that @main ivy has pointed out that the lower barrier is gone I understand. Though thinking about it,, It would be frustrating to get up there and then find that we can’t do anything
lusty light
It’s only asking for 1 emote and that emote is very hard to just ignore
main ivy
@finite pumice
I tested it! You can get up there as a new player I think, but it's very difficult. ||You'd have to use your 1 wedge to get on top of the first cave area, where the second star is||. Which requires a bit of double back and is a fairly difficult one to grab. That should take you to 2 wedges I think, which is just enough to overcome the ledge and get to the clouds, which easily takes you right up to the temple without needing to pass the take-off point.
It's... a pretty unlikely series of events. And you're right, it would be very annoying to get all the way up there and have to go all the way back.
Then again, if TGC made this change, I expect it was for a reason. So it must have been an issue with someone somewhere.
Though you know, I'm actually starting to really like the look of the constellation gates. Did they change them this update or am I just growing attached?
hollow compass
"new" seasonal spirit walk in Forest is strange
the spark you walk to each point can now also burn out, apparently
main ivy
Even outside of rainy levels, just found the one in Isle ||(It's the new one, if anyone is looking!)|| . Though the time limit is very forgiving there.
hollow compass
oh, I'm sorry, but I really hate the new exit from river area
why another high level transition?
btw, "relive this spirit's story"? what spirit?
oh, now I see it...that tiny, tiny icon...wow, us people with bad eyesight really aren't welcome in this game
oh, great, there is a constellation wall right at the front of Forest palace door @finite pumice
burn it with fire
main ivy
Hmm. Not sure how I feel about that.
On one hand: This makes sure you have some vague idea of what you're doing before you progress.
on the other: Some players have absolutely no idea what they're doing but are still having fun, why lock them out?
On the third, mutant hand: That just does not seem like a very fun place for that gate. Cramped space for getting to the locks, no real room to play around, gate opening time could cause issues if you fall behind but your friends have already gone through the transition point to the next area, and it just does not look nice there.
hollow compass
I dislike them through and through in all places anywhere
if you have an open world game, you should keep it an open world game
don't write players on the nose
Now I’m confused. Shouldn’t this be the spirit I just found in Forest?
whoa (sorry for monologuing here!), but I had to step away from the phone and it went into rest mode
usually that means you'r back at Home when the app restarts, but this time it only briefly displayed me there and then I was back at Mountains
nice
main ivy
@dreamy turret We don't have an exact date, I don't think. Sorry!
Me too! Would love the get Android friends in on the fun soon
spark glacier
Im really ahppy i was with friends to get the seasonal emote in the wastelands first, || The mask looks like a dragon and the cape is amazing, i absolutly love dragons to death. ||
high ember
The sassy stance is ridiculously adorable. 💃
thin orchid
The new Storm ending is amazing 😭. But after being reborn i got stuck in Storm mode. Someone please save me 😃
main ivy
Ah, I think Sera had the same thing. Looks like it's not a one-off bug.
thin orchid
My son got stuck too
main ivy
I think Sera had to actually take her game back a version, go into storm, then update again to get un-stuck? Or something like that. I don't quite remember.
thin orchid
That's a nice idea! Thanks @main ivy
finite pumice
@thin orchid can you tell us whether the lighting inside storm has been balanced now? Or is it still very dark like the last update?
thin orchid
Much better! It is not pitch-dark anymore.
finite pumice
oh great. that's encouraging. maybe it's time for me to try again then.
thin orchid
The trick with previous build works for getting out of Storm mode. But i lost all seasonal candles in the process. Edit: seasonal candles got converted them into normal candles