RIOT
RIOT
PUSH OVER A BOAT
SET A CANDLE ON FIRE
#beta-discussion
main ivy
lusty light
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
sharp pumice
🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
seriously, that took a while. Good thing I finally went to bed at some point. 😃
now I have to find a way to step checking my emails every three seconds...
lusty light
It’s been 10 hours and no emails riot!!!
pulsar blade
Its within 24 hours after the reset
lusty light
I know I’m kidding
sharp pumice
...I'm a software developer.... I always add at least 50% to every time estimate I hear, if not more... 😃
night mural
24-- 72... maybe
spark lance
Is the new version assigned a different Game Center app # so that it’s not compatible with old GC data?
spark lance
and good morning all
lusty light
Good morning dune 😊
tranquil vale
How do I watch the livestream?
lusty light
If you scroll up in #screenshots-and-videos someone posted a link to the vod
tranquil vale
Oh thanks
night mural
Good morning @spark lance
spark lance
☕️
vapid drum
🍻i just had lunch
orchid nexus
I think this channel is reserved for socializing right now since beta is offline and we can't socialize there 
So hi and good morning, afternoon, evening!
main ivy
For the complete Beta Chat experience, make a manta ray your desktop background and have a friend make whale noises at you while ringing a bell
orchid nexus
What's a desktop?
main ivy
Uhmm... good question...
I think it's sort of like a chat bench, but instead of being for chatting you put your favorite magic box on it.
orchid nexus
And that's a good idea @spark lance ☕
hybrid wedge
The emote spirits. I don't know when the last time I saw them was, and they're so, so beautiful now. 💙
orchid nexus
Agree! The whole intro has beautiful pacing, music, and introduction to the controls. Feels really nice!
Reset pain feels better with seeing all the new parts we've been missing
tacit frigate
Hi, I just got the beta invite for the first time and the game is fantastic - the whole atmosphere is great but I’ve got one gripe with the clarity of the graphics - some elements seem excessively blurry. Is there any way I can fix this ?
tawdry grail
I just got my beta invite but am getting an error getting it loaded into TestFlight 😓
radiant drum
@tawdry grail are you connected to WiFi? Because of the size I think it’s limited to wifi only download, at least seems like that for me
tawdry grail
@mirian I get an error opening the link, hah
So I can’t even get to the download step
radiant drum
I would try contacting TGC ^^ either by here, Facebook or email
tawdry grail
And now it worked 😅
spark lance
When I first opened the game my character slid a little bit on the pad
finite pumice
I've played through Isle and about half of Prairie now. Lots of lovely visuals and the new spirit animations are nice, though there are problems with almost all of them which is a shame. Flight is still ruined by the controls, but once in the air, and you have the right mode movement, is pretty good. My recording of the entire session just failed to save, so I've nothing to show which is a great shame. More than frustrated now.
I didn't think I could like something in this game less than the current controls, but the gate have done it. This pushing us through the game in a specific order by putting non-game elements between the areas is horrible. I'm really glad the reset happened, because it's shown me that something that was just a constant annoyance is actually ruining the freedom to play. I'm off to sulk now because I can't put a decent evidenced base report together without creating a new account, and starting all over again.
main ivy
I actually sorta like some areas being blocked off. It preserves exploration through multiple runs, and keeps newbies from wandering into difficult areas or shortcuts.
It's obnoxious when you're a long time player on a new account, but very different for real moth newbies just trying to learn how to walk.
radiant drum
Yeah, I really like how they removed the gates from linear progression of the game but blocked certain areas you’re not supposed to access on your first run, or until you gather more emotes
So you have to visit that area again when you’re stronger, or with a stronger friend 
hybrid wedge
General feedback from a first-time player: A friend I played with said she felt like the game was rushing her through. She wanted to explore the areas, but it wasn't alwaysclear to her what led to the next sections, and then she wasn't sure how to get back to where she came from.
elder turtle
that camera button is so brilliant
on my semi-aging ipad air 2 i can still take really clean shots the game renders out
i hope that functionality is extended on more powerful platforms if and when the game releases on them
main ivy
Gosh yes I love the camera button. Playing with me means having a constant shutter noise in your ear every 10 seconds haha
hybrid terrace
I just wish our Skykid didn't make the camera pose every time we took a picture. The shutter noise is annoyance enough!
main ivy
Haha. I like it. I get excited when I'm playing with someone and they snap a picture. It means they're having fun!
hybrid terrace
I guess I don't like dropping out of the sky while taking snapshots or having to wait for the pose to reset to take a photo of myself
Maybe just not using the pose while flying?
main ivy
Huh. Is that a new bug, or are you trying to fly in closed wing mode?
ember pulsar
lol that pose though, its still cute XD
hybrid terrace
It's kind of a slow descent, but I do get off track if I go to snap photos and then have to correct my flight
main ivy
Huh. I never had that issue. Usually when I take pictures it doesn't affect how I'm flying at all. That or I just didn't notice?
spark lance
my dad stole my ipad - must find it now!
raven loom
Yay, I have been invited to the beta (^_^ )
polar rain
formal river
Hey all, I’m trying to invite a friend
spark lance
I’m not sure that functionality works yet
spark lance
Yes, I don’t believe it’s enabled in the beta
hybrid wedge
It's enabled in beta, but both of you have to have the game.
Evidence: I successfully invited a friend yesterday. ^^ @formal river How far have you gotten? You can send them an invite to their email address, and then once they have the game through the beta invite link, a message scroll shows up in their home space on the statue. They tap on it and magic happens and then the message scroll on your invite statue in Home Space shows that they've accepted it. Voila, their star is a "favorited" friend in your friend constellation, and you have chat automatically unlocked together. 
formal river
Just started so good to know
spark lance
@hybrid wedge thanks for clearing that up
rustic ore
Hi! I hope you add a settings menu as well soon, I would like to change my language of the game as well
lusty light
There are already some languages supported I know Chinese and Japanese are
hybrid wedge
The language of the game is based on the language of your device.
quiet citrus
Goodness, I really love the segway area between Mountains and Wasteland 💕
summer olive
Does anyone know if something like an Oculus Quest port has ever been mentioned? Sky would be such an amazing game to relax to in VR
lusty light
Nothing has been mentioned outside of iOS, tvOS, and macOS
summer olive
Hmm, okay. One can only hope 😃
orchid nexus
Having tried to play one or two first-person flight games in VR, I feel this would amount to motion sickness simulator
I've also heard Jenova say he didn't feel VR is a mature tech so is not investing time or directing research in that direction.
spark lance
Really ready to have the winged flight helps you fly higher message off.
lusty light
Winged light lets you fly higher
orchid nexus
Flinged might lets you high flyer!
spark lance
Hinged height lets you high wire.
orchid nexus
If we keep trying, our 
friends will be obligated to use one of our very clever edits!
hybrid wedge
Yinged fight lets you my wire!
vapid drum
Blind sight makes my mouth dryer
spark lance
As far as we know, is the Storm reset still once a week?
orchid nexus
If you try to go a second time it should tell you when reset is. I haven't gone yet
spark lance
@vapid drum, I just went but need help getting in?
vapid drum
Yeah , i thought to make a quick run before dinner and still kinda sober @spark lance
spark lance
Hahahaaa, be right there
vapid drum
Thanks
spark lance
I’m still surprised to see players manually lighting the shrine candles in the Forest temple. It may have been broken at one time, but raising the centerpiece lights all.
orchid nexus
I still do that habitually.
vapid drum
Nooooooooo , I just can’t die 😭
spark lance
I tend to do things in a certain order
spark lance
@vapid drum can you go back in and get hit to death
spark lance
Oh yikes
vapid drum
Hahahaha, just an auto reply bug thing
lusty light
I light them manually because if you don’t you don’t get the wax for it
spark lance
I get the wax (sounds like a surfing song) 🏄♀️
untold night
@vagrant tinsel to answer your question, the beta is open in the US as well
vagrant tinsel
formal echo
Any Idea when tvOS beta will be available?
spark lance
Burning question: why is the dark green Wasteland now called the Golden Wasteland?
main ivy
@spark lance i think if you raise the central platform in forest castle, you don’t get light from most of the candles, but you do get light if you light it manually. Or at least thats how it used to be.
My guess with golden waste(land) is that someone peed in the pool puddles and TGC is trying to warn us not to swim in them :P
spark lance
@main ivy I used to light them too, but now I get light from those candles when the shrine is raised. I’ll take a video tomorrow
main ivy
Ah! I haven’t actually checked super recently. Last i did only 1 candle gave light that way, but it might have been fixed. The old habit to always light them dies hard I guess, haha
spark lance
know what you mean about old habits ... if the candles aren’t lighting for players, it should be a bug report.
tough pulsar
Isn't this game in the AppStore?
unreal crypt
I keep seeing everyone with 4 stars on their wings while I only have 2, what does this mean?
tough pulsar
Why would the testflight link be needed
tough pulsar
Oh. Is there a difference between beta and appstore version?
lusty light
And @unreal crypt collect more winged light
Beta gets updated more often
Live version is many updates behind atm
tough pulsar
Is it possible to have both on on device?
tough pulsar
Ok thanks
unreal crypt
@lusty light how do I collect these?
lusty light
It’s the children of light you saw when you first started the game
Find more of those
orchid nexus
Lots more! Some hang out where you can see them, some are hidden.
orchid nexus
I'm streaming beta on twitch for a little while starting now. my twitch name is the same as here if you want to find me 
spark glacier
Just had a idea, what if they had a “preferred” name you could put in, so when people add you as a friend, they have an option o choose the players “preferred” name if they wish to.
spark lance
Yes in game names is an idea that’s been tossed around the community for some time
Or even to use our Game Center profile name
vapid drum
@spark lance , recollecting now , wanna do another storm run this evening??
spark lance
@vapid drum, I might wait until it resets, but glad to help you get in
latent magnet
The TestFlight link isn’t working for me. It opens as if I don’t have TestFlight installed. Any ideas?
vapid drum
@spark lance , you know you don’t have to wait till reset to drop another bunch of stars ? You can drop them at the kids you haven’t gave stars to
That should get you 6 storm candles when all is filled in a week , hence why I said it would take about 7 weeks 😂@spark lance
latent magnet
Further to my previous message. Is it possible to get a TestFlight code?
spark lance
@vapid drum hang on gonna enable DM
wintry matrix
Is this discord only for Beta testers?
night tundra
@wintry matrix Nope! But there's sections for the beta specifically.
empty inlet
I sincerely hope tgc team can find a solution for a better flying control and remove the switch button before global launch
lunar loom
I hope so too, from the new players I've talked to they all mention the flying controls are bad.
every single one of them
back before it was changed, few months ago, when I would ask new players what they thought of Sky, I don't remember any complaints about the flying.
quiet citrus
That's because pre-0.4.6 controls were incredibly fluid, dynamic, and freeing
inland surge
Is there a going to be a price tag on this when it launches?
lusty light
Free with IAP
inland surge
Sweet. Now to see if you all need a tester with an Xr on ios13
lusty light
There’s a public beta link in #beta-announcements
inland surge
Thank you kind sir or madam
lusty light
Np
blazing cloak
@unreal crypt || because in the game are secrets in the high you can collect and than you fly higher (-; ||
hybrid wedge
@latent magnet If you have TestFlight installed, click on the invite link and it'll take you to a browser page, and at the top of that page you should see something that you tap on to open the beta in TestFlight.
spark glacier
The switch controls were super confusing for me at first, but I got the hang of it after some time, however I can say it’s pretty frustrating at times
I do like however swapping from flight to hover mode before landing to get that fancy landing though.
empty inlet
I’m concerning how often they plan to have reset for beta after global launch
Can @solar dragon share some information with us?
solar dragon
Please save your questions for our livestream on Friday 😃 I'm not able to answer many questions just yet, since we're still handling other things today
We hope we can answer all of your questions and give those details soon, though
empty inlet
Ok, thank you!
solar dragon
looks down at coffee Totally! 😅
final heron
I got a beta full message when I went to join the latest beta. Does that sound right?
cosmic vector
Same. Clicked my email link and beta full. Damn
young pivot
Heyo guys just wanted to ask that is there way to increase resolution on iphones ?
pulsar blade
Anyone hi. Kindly like to know where to find the cotton candy hair
Anyone please👏👏👏
pallid mantle
My autistic kid is a huge fan of the Flow and Flower series. Unfortunately we don't have anything from Apple.
Any idea when the game will come out on the PS4?
Or if a beta on android or ps4 will start?
spark lance
I’m guessing the progression might be after iOS goes global live, MacOS or tvOS beta and then live, and then other platforms after that. That could be quite a while. Which other platforms has not announced and I doubt we’ll see information any time soon.
Have to recommend the new iPad mini 5 for Sky as an easy entry point into Apple products. Flower is also available in iOS.
cloud lintel
Is there a way to invite a friend to the TestFlight beta? I'd love to play with my best friend but she doesn't currently have an invite 😦
glacial berry
@cloud lintel Hello! The game has announced an official release date, so the beta is coming to a close here shortly
Unfortunately the beta does not offer a means of inviting non-authorized people to join in
cloud lintel
okay, thanks for the info 😃
glacial berry
@cloud lintel Not a problem! Let me know if you need any other info!
blazing cloak
One the left side of the level 3 Pyramide is a blue print and of the right side is nothing 🤔 if that a sign? But i need another person to fly higher and look if they something xD
thin orchid
What is this icon doing? My first guess was that it disables chat. But i can still chat with my friend. Private chat?
hybrid wedge
@cloud lintel @glacial berry The devs have said that the beta will still continue after the full launch, but I'd guess that if you want to most enjoy playing with family, live accounts would be easier--fewer bugs, no resets. ^^
blazing cloak
Okay its dosnt work in the rain. Thanks on the player to look with me if it there is something.
hybrid wedge
@thin orchid That icon is supposed to lock or unlock direct chat with the player you've selected. IIRC, if you lock chat, they can still see what you type, but you can't see what they type. You'll still be able to talk at chat benches and chat tables though. (Or did I misunderstand your question?)
@spark lance (Yum, hummus) We report bugs and take names have fun playing the game as we normally would. ^^
glacial berry
@hybrid wedge Awesome! I would miss my friends, though, I'd expect they'd move too
@thin orchid yeah, that looks like a disable chat thing, but idk why you can still chat
thin orchid
Thanks, @hybrid wedge. Yep, tested it. Works exactly like you said.
glacial berry
@hybrid wedge makes sense. Still seems weird. I would imagine a block would go both ways with chat.
Of course, I don't see why it would be necessary, since everyone in the Sky community is super sweet!
polar nest
Has anyone played the mac version?
glacial berry
@polar nest I have not, no.
glacial berry
I didn't even know there was a mac version tbh lol
lusty light
The Mac version crashes when I go to the first child of light too
spark lance
what i do is just play on phone while screen mirroring to my computer
humble fossil
The 5 person gate is really frustrating as there are barely anyone going to storm...
cinder ruin
yesterday I opened the gate with only three players
If your fire is strong I believe that you can unlock more than one stone
Has the emote of meditation been intentionally disabled?🤔
cloud lintel
Does anyone know where the upgrade spirit for the bird chirp emote is in the forest version of home?
I can't upgrade it from here...
lusty light
Watch the prarie cutscene and you’ll be able to upgrade it
But there’s nothing to upgrade on a voice, it’s just cosmetics
cloud lintel
Ohh I see, thanks!
vapid drum
@cloud lintel and a star upgrade
cloud lintel
Thanks 😃 I was able to upgrade it now. Maybe there should be a little popup in the game telling you to watch the cutscene? Because it's not very clear that you need to do this
vapid drum
That cutscene always was bugged , in the old beta there were plop candles warning to watch the cut scene
blazing cloak
Why the flying monster's again 😱 😭 i found them sooo scary 🤐 😅
hybrid wedge
Were you able to get some of your stars back?
wintry matrix
When does the Beta end?
blazing cloak
I'm not died jet xD i sit bevor the first monster level xD i m not a grittier playe xD
orchid nexus
Run! Hide! Hold a brave friend's hand! SURVIVE!
hybrid wedge
Aww. The krill can be challenging. One way to get through more safely--watch them for a while, and observe the paths they patrol.
If you try to rush, there's a bigger chance you'll get caught.
blazing cloak
:D nice motivation @orchid nexus i found it so scary in journey xD i had nightmares after that ;D
hybrid wedge
( @wintry matrix TGC have said the beta will continue after the full live version is launched.)
orchid nexus
I was not feeling ready for a challenge but @lusty light talked me into burning the big plant in the krill boneyard today. We saved each other's stars a number of times, and we burned that plant to the ground!
blazing cloak
Thank you for the tips @hybrid wedge (:
wintry matrix
@hybrid wedge oh ok thank you, I thought I saw a message on here the other day that the beta would be ending soon because of the impending launch. I must have been mistaken
hybrid wedge
No problem @blazing cloak!
@wintry matrix Ah. Well, I don't think I saw that message, but TGC people have said directly in a couple of live streams that the beta will keep going.
wintry matrix
Awesome, thanks
narrow arch
Those giant monsters (krill?) are terrifying, they are much harder to avoid then I remember the war machines from journey being. I find even when I’m in what I think should be a hiding place that the spot light gets so close ;0;
blazing cloak
Thank you to the person who bring me throw the monster part xD i was so afraid :D
viscid dragon
@orchid nexus @lusty light I'm so glad you eventually got it! I got krill'd a few times and then had to head out before we got it
I tele'd just to say hi and you guys were in deep wasteland ahaha
blazing cloak
Thats make this games so beautiful. Bring people together from all over the world. An helpfully each other <3
orchid nexus
@finite pumice let's keep discussion here instead of in #beta-bugs-ios
finite pumice
Fine
untold night
@finite pumice for longer videos, would it make sense to upload the clip off platform and link the clip here?
blazing cloak
Eye of eden is very hard 😅 best time to go ro bed xD good luck for all the lights.
orchid nexus
Youtube is good for that, can be set to private/link only, and easy to upload right from the device with no editing
finite pumice
I do that on FB normally but the 8mb limit is ridiculous for video. @lunar loom suggested YouTube but the administration of that just adds time to every report.
untold night
Streamable is very fast: just upload and then you get a link
You're not wrong about the 8mb limit, its suffocating but streamable is a very simple interface and a 1gb limit
Anonymous too, requires no account
viscid dragon
Streamable sounds good to me! Also, love your avatar @untold night
untold night
Thank you :) it's of my pup
When you link a video here it'll auto embed so it will feel very similar to making a report on Facebook after you've formatted it like the other bug reports
finite pumice
Thanks @untold night I’ll look into this
inland surge
Been getting quite a few crashes today
solar dragon
@inland surge, what device is this happening on?
inland surge
iPhone XR on iOS 13 beta
It seemed more stables yesterday. I didn’t notice any updates so it’s hard for me to pin down
I just started playing yesterday and I did meet a player who showed me around abit and took me through some doors I don’t think I should have been able to go through
I’ve been trying to go back through the first portal to be sure I didn’t miss anything but the crashes are making me start over each attempt haha. It doesn’t seem to be happening in the same place each time but I did notice it’s usually when I’m near other players.
I’m thinking it may have to do with a delay on the add friend text when initiating that initial friendship interaction maybe?
orchid nexus
Doors: players who have met the requirement of barriers can drag their moth friends through! 
inland surge
Moth friends?
I would absolutely LOVE to play this game on my Switch!
Any chance this could ever make it that far?
radiant drum
moth is a nice name for new players 
inland surge
Oh I see, not very radiant and ugly wings P:
radiant drum
also i've also been having a lot of crashes today, playing with 6 players. did not happen before when I played alone, but I'm playing on the iPhone X
green sky
This doesn't make sense to me. There is an area that requires season of gratitude emotes to enter, yet there is not season right now..
orchid nexus
Moth: not ugly! They're adorable with brown wings and flutter around but are drawn uncontrollably to flames! 
lusty light
@green sky there’s nothing in there it’s just left over from the season, they forgot to remove some things after the season ended
inland surge
anyone elses phone run REALLY hot when playing?
even not for an extended period of time?
lusty light
The game is pretty resource intensive, unless you have the latest device you will experience overheating pretty fast
You can try using low power mode or the in game’s energy saving mode in settings
lusty light
I see
When I play on my XS it doesn’t really get hot unless it’s on the charger
Or I’m in direct sunlight
radiant drum
It's a bit odd if it's getting hot on the XR 
how much time until it gets really hot @inland surge ?
hybrid terrace
My iPad gets pretty warm, but I find myself frequently consuming more power than I’m charging when plugged in, and I’ll unexpectedly shut down
lusty light
Yeah when I play on my iPad when not at 100% and charging it still charges but VERY slowly
It’s best to have it plugged in at 100%
Or close to it
inland surge
5 maybe 10 minutes
It most certainly could be related to me running iOS 13 beta 1 though, too
so I can't dismiss it as just the game
I dont have any other games getting hot
but this is the most resource intensive one I play
lusty light
Yeah the iOS might play a part in that
I remember when I used to beta test iOS it would make my phone hot
And especially since iOS 13 isn’t public yet it’s going to be more buggy and less optimized than the public beta coming out in a month
inland surge
Yup haha that’s my guess
empty inlet
The error Mac keeps having
HALC_ProxyIOContext.cpp:1068:IOWorkLoop: HALC_ProxyIOContext::IOWorkLoop: skipping cycle due to overload
lusty light
Please post things like this in #beta-bugs-ios
empty inlet
I'm not sure if this is really a bug
You'll have it no matter what caused the game crash
verbal wolf
Will there be controller support for iOS? The touch controls are actually quite smooth but I think it’d feel more natural on a controller. Especially with ios13 coming with Xbox and ps4 controller support.
modest latch
Beta says it’s full when I click on link in email to rejoin....what should I do?
hybrid wedge
@modest latch My guess would be to wait and try again. After invites go out there's a big flurry of activity, but after a bit of time some players quit testing and be removed by the developers. More space will probably open up later.
modest latch
Wierd was an alpha tester and have the email saying im in the beta.
just hit join so wheres my slot
hybrid wedge
Ah. Not sure if you saw it, but the entire beta was reset last Friday. We kept our friends, but they were reset to level 1 (no high five, etc.), and all our collectibles and emotes and hearts and candles were reset from scratch. As part of that process, the build was pulled from TestFlight and we were all kicked out and had to be invited back into the game. TGC also sent additional invites and posted the invite link on this server. They have a limit to how many people can actually be in the beta, so more invites were taken, then, than slots available, unfortunately.
But I expect your account will be waiting for you when you get back in.
modest latch
Just kinda sad they didnt look to save slots for the Alpha testers
inland surge
@modest latch could just be a bad link too. Did you try joining the beta from the link in #beta-announcements ?
modest latch
yes
inland surge
Weird. I joined around this time yesterday no problem. Sorry to hear about that friend.
I guess public beta is more of a free for all
hybrid wedge
It'll still be there, just, there's a bit of a queue this time.
modest latch
well its not really a que if I cant hit join to get in a que to be joined its just random guesswork hitting the link occasionally to hopefully get in
radiant drum
They wanted to share the beta with active players that got reset so we got our accounts back as soon as possible, and with all the emails sent and the release date a lot of people joined, so I think they prioritized it in a first come, first served basis
modest latch
game will release soon so not a big deal anyways
but it is a bit of a bumber to have like all your friends playing and your juts sitting there.......missed by only a day
radiant drum
Some people have asked about the cap already so maybe you’ll get an answer soon ^^ even if it’s a confirmation 
radiant drum
I know how it must feel so I hope you get back into the beta soon, or at least we’ll see each other on launch 
hybrid wedge
Like in January 2018?
modest latch
like i was following that game company after journey went free on ps4 bought flower and uhhh Flow then I watched till they announced sky and was super excited I got the initial email for the alpha test on testflight and jumped straight in had way too much fun
hybrid wedge
Ha!
modest latch
back when you had the original aviery where you jumped off to go to the prarrie
when it was just the three bellsto summon the creatures
radiant drum
Ahh the good old days the game has surely come very far
modest latch
before they added more to it that inittial more prarrie ish area with the side path
yeah it really has
ill just keep my eyes peeled and see what happens
spark lance
I started the beta in January 2018, the first day of emails. I was beyond excited. I still get a thrill with update notifications as though it’s a holiday package to unwrap. There was a test group before us though ( the test events are/were visible in FB events), and I considered them to be the alpha group.
finite pumice
So, I wanted to start posting reports. Apparently there is a 2000 character limit, and also a "slow mode". This is super frustrating.
main ivy
It's to prevent discussion in the bug channel. If you have a LONG list you could upload to google docs, then post the docs link.
orchid nexus
I've run into that limit once or twice!
finite pumice
It’s ok. I’m just being patient and posting chunks. This just reinforces my feeling about this medium as a reporting medium. Great for chatting tho.
main ivy
Apparently it's easier for the staff to read and sort the bugs in this format though. I'd prioritize what's more useful for them, even if it is a little annoying for the testers.
finite pumice
Thing is I can’t get TGC to communicate what’s more useful. I’ve asked.
And even tho some of what I report is opinion I certainly don’t post unless I think it needs attention. Some of my reports are to trigger discussion and hopefully evolution.
main ivy
My guess is
- It's easier to have all the bugs in one place, instead of mixed in between chatting and general feedback and suggestions and 1000 other things
- I hear Facebook filters what you get to see, and it's really easy to lose a post because Facebook decided you wouldn't like it as much.
finite pumice
there all done.
sullen lodge
i have a question about beta: i have preordered the full sky game coming out next month, does that mean my progress in beta will be reset once the full game comes out?
finite pumice
Yes, FB can be a pain, but it's easy to change the sorting on a group if you want to get the most recent posts. I deliberately tag TGC and several of the team members to ensure they get notifications. Tbh, I've been wanting to get off FB for ages, and have mostly stayed because of my beta testing with Sky. I've been waiting for TGC to come up with an alternative; I'd just hoped that the alternative would have worked better for bug reporting.
orchid nexus
beta progress won't carry to the live game @sullen lodge
sullen lodge
oh, alright, thanks
finite pumice
btw, my appologies for the wall of reports, and the formatting. I don't know how to copy-paste and keep formatting in discord. I don't know why there are bold sections.
spark lance
I don’t see any bold sections, Peter
orchid nexus
Don't try to take all the responsibility for every bug you see Peter! The problems that are right in our path, probably already on the list. Will every minor visual problem be fixed before launch? No game in history has done that. Game-breakers will though!
and if you want to know about formatting styling in discord, here's a rundown on markdown https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/210298617-Markdown-Text-101-Chat-Formatting-Bold-Italic-Underline-
so you can make your text look super important
finite pumice
@orchid nexus all fixed. found the notes and edited my posts. I find it really hard to play without seeing these things, big and small. Ultimately, I want this game to succeed; and always have. I've been very critical and outspoken over the past 16 or so months. It's TGCs baby, but I'm a big fan of detail and polish, and I feel very strongly that it is some of these details that can make or break a product. I've been posting like this forever now (or so it feels).
orchid nexus
I'm sure TGC feels the same way about detail and polish. Evidence: their games. But since we don't have a view into their bug tracking software, and we're not paid QA, a more relaxed approach is better for our blood pressure! My feeling on the beta community is we've stress-tested and given honest critiques all along, but now the most useful thing we can do is, in the immortal words of Wyld Stallyns, Be Excellent to Each Other
umbral glade
Have they communicated anything specific they want us to test? Or just “play and let us know if anything breaks”? 😆
So far the worst I’ve seen is getting stuck in certain corners of the Hidden Forest but that’s as far as I’ve gotten anyhow.
main ivy
Right now I think they want to know about the game economy and how we feel about it. That was the reason for the reset, test the economy like a new player.
umbral glade
Can do! My impression there is that it’s a lot of fun to make friends but that really seems to use up the light quickly.
I only started this weekend though, so maybe that’s not the most informed opinion, haha. I realized yesterday that just by retracing my steps I can gather more from candles.
twin compass
Guys, don’t ya know
Will there be new beta selection or everybody else, who was late, won’t be able to play until release?
orchid nexus
Don't know @twin compass.
twin compass
orchid nexus
@urban inlet there's a channel for beta bugs: #beta-bugs-ios . also the shiny glitch I think is well known. Some devices it seems to happen more than others. Force quit and restart usually clears it up.
urban inlet
I know. That’s how I’ve dealt with it before. Was unsure if it was just me experiencing it
orchid nexus
(force quit and restart also seems a good way to reproduce the bug )
urban inlet
Interesting. I didn’t know that part
orchid nexus
if you do that repeatedly I guess you can catch the game off-guard sometimes and it forgets to load shaders or whatever 😃
main ivy
It happens randomly when you start up the game. Happens more on some devices than others. It almost never used to happen to me, but now it happens like 50% of the time! You usually know you're about to get the shiny bug when the TGC logo doesn't display at the start.
hazy shale
I enjoy it for most areas of the game. Makes some lovely pictures 😊
spark lance
I like how it reveals some of the structure
hazy shale
I’d like to experience in Eden now that the area is so large and dark. It’d be interesting to see it all lit up.
empty inlet
yeah barely can't see
spark lance
It’s the only level I have to turn up full brightness and make sure Nightshift is off.
hazy shale
I’ll have to try that @spark lance . I’m constantly falling because I can’t see where I’m going 🤣
spark lance
Haha even turned up I feel very clumsy there
I’d like to experience it once without any wind
hybrid wedge
On my device even full brightness doesn't help. I swear it got darker after the reset 
I had Eden in metallic glitch a few weeks back, it was actually pretty cool! I'll try to remember to post to #screenshots-and-videos later today.
spark lance
Also I find it much easier to see on my iPad than on iPhone
cinder ruin
You can use you candle emote to bring some light to your path
hybrid wedge
@cinder ruin, that is very true. That takes a bit more presence of mind than I had dealing with a group of 7 people with glitching controls blowing us OOB and hungry krill going up Mt. Eden, alas.
spark lance
@cinder ruin if only we could hold a candle in each hand ... and while I’m daydreaming, maybe a headlamp too.
hybrid wedge
I hear the krill provide some super effective spotlights.
cinder ruin
I remember using the candle in the storm in some places when I did not see the way.
I'm playing on iPad
spark lance
it’s not like candles burn down or we lose power using them, so you’re right, @cinder ruin, we should try it
can we walk with the high candle? haven’t tried that
cinder ruin
@spark lance During the climb you will see some points of recharge of energy with fire 🔥
spark lance
yes I know about those, but candles don’t need recharge, only our cape does
cinder ruin
@spark lanceYou can walk but if you jump you will have to use / ascend the candle again
@spark lanceif you are caught by stones or krill you may run out of energy for candles. Fire or some friend can help recharge your energy
spark lance
yes ... that’s been true for a long time
cinder ruin
@spark lanceRunning away from the topic. Is your nickname based on Frank Herbert's book?
spark lance
No, although that’s a book I like. My full name is Dunesurfer because I love to surf the pink dunes in Journey.
cinder ruin
Nice name, sorry for leaving the subject.
spark lance
I don’t mind ... seems fairly quiet here atm
finite pumice
storm, for me is a waste of my time now. the dark is too dark, making it literally unplayable. there is no joy in that level for me anymore.
spark lance
even with everything turned up, @finite pumice?
finite pumice
I've not done that, but then there goes my battery even faster eh? from my point of view, if I have enough stars to go there, then I have enough to be able to enjoy the rest of the game (apart from those controls).
spark lance
I have to adjust my display settings for Storm to he brightest and coolest, and then it works well on my ipad ... but not so on my iphone xr. I used to have to make those adjustments for Wasteland, but it’s lit well enough now.
Enough people are saying it’s too dark, so I’m confident TGC is mulling it over.
hybrid wedge
Yeah, I found Wasteland to really be improved yesterday. The darkness with Eden is new, though, and it sounds like it's not a problem on all devices. I'm sure it's in the works.
spark lance
Beta program is full, any chance to participate any time soon ?
lusty light
There will be another chance to participate the next big round of testing
hybrid wedge
(Ozy, awesome profile pic! Jumping spiders are amazing and adorable!)
spark lance
It’s a bit frustrating to wait @spark lance, but so worth it.
I see hope it will be soon 😦 @hybrid wedge hey thank you peoples get freaked out usually haha
hybrid wedge
Those are people who have infinitely less joy in their lives as a result.
spark lance
maybe they need more jumping spiders?
I love them so much they helped cured my arachnophobia
oops experimening with reactions, guess we can’t delete them
hybrid wedge
If you click/tap on it again it should remove it.
Fun fact: jumping spiders chase laser pointers. How is that not adorable?
spark lance
I never tried ! I will be testing this the next time I feed him 😄
vale quartz
There's a door in the snowfield where you need two people to open it. But the cave inside is empty?
hybrid wedge
IIRC that had a seasonal emote in it, but alas, that season is gone. 🕯
vale quartz
ooh
orchid nexus
I thought the cave was empty... but I found myself inside it. 
spark lance
There’s also still a season door remnant in Wasteland. I’m sure it has some players wondering.
hybrid wedge
@orchid nexus add philosoraptor here
sharp pumice
Weren't we supposed to see the emote quests (constellation quests?) again even after doing them one time? Release notes for 134021 said "Improvements to Constellation Quests when players who have already completed them replay them with others".
Anyone any idea about this? ^^ Is it a bug? Is it supposed to be like that? Has this been discussed already? Am I blind? 😃 Or do we only see those when someone who hasn't done them starts it? I'm a bit sad that I can't see them again, because some of the quests were mostly solved by others while I was looking elsewhere. ^^,
spark lance
@sharp pumice I’ve been seeing them.
orchid nexus
You see the spirits only, not the animation at the end of the quest, right Dune?
I think Winter is asking how to see the cutscenes again, because they're nice!
spark lance
Right, I see the blue transparent bodies and can even light one to satisfy a step.
oh oh the cutscenes ... sorry I misunderstood
orchid nexus
But we only see that if someone who hasn't seen the quest before is the one to activate it. Otherwise we can't see them. Maybe that's what winter was asking
sharp pumice
yeah, cutscenes, and spirits on the way leading to them, like the cheering crowd in the stadium
and freeing of the stoned... errr.. stoney ancestors
so I have to wait for first time players to re-start a quest? hmm... unsatisfying, cause it was really cool seeing all those quest, though often quite briefly (people rushing them)
spark lance
we can’t tell if our friend has done that emote or not unless they start it
orchid nexus
Yes it's a problem that we can't tell whether someone needs to do a quest.
spark lance
same with stars
orchid nexus
But I also like seeing the cutscenes again
The world feels much more alive after a long time of not seeing them.
spark lance
they are wonderful
orchid nexus
The flipside is seeing them too often can be a drag.
sharp pumice
so may be only see them again after a storm run...
finite pumice
@sharp pumice that’s been gone for a while now. It leaves the world rather desolate. There’s talk of new creatures and life forms in the future.
I think they’re trying to find balance
orchid nexus
After a storm run I guess depends on how often you do it, for sure.
sharp pumice
balance? I'm gonna send some Jedi and Sith along their way ^^
I'm lazy... only about one storm run per week ^^,
orchid nexus
I think I would like to see the final quest ancestor when a friend has to do the quest, and optionally tap a symbol to watch the cutscene with them?
sharp pumice
I'll try to bug them about those quests on the next stream (friday?).... once I find out how to submit a question before that ^^,
it's not a bug, but it's still a bit sad.
spark lance
and speaking of storm runs .... 🏃🏼♀️
finite pumice
@sharp pumice there’s not much point in doing more than one if you had all of the stars to sacrifice. My understanding is that storm resets weekly so you can’t collect more Storm candles.
lunar loom
Why is this player bigger ??
orchid nexus
I do storm 2 or 3 times weekly at least
sharp pumice
genetics, Loki ^^
orchid nexus
2 to maximize ascended candle count, 3+ for fun
sharp pumice
I'd probably do two too, if I had the time. ... (do two too? ... english... x.x,)
finite pumice
@orchid nexus do you get storm candles each time? I’ve never bothered with it that much, it doesn’t appeal but certainly my understanding from discussions on FB and the wiki was that there is a weekly limit to the number of storm candles you can collect
orchid nexus
There's a limit, but I can never fill all the statues with stars in one run. So I go again to make sure I get the most possible candles in a week.
cinder ruin
As far as I was able to go in the storm, it only spawned two candles. would this be the limit? two candles ??
lusty light
No I went the other day and it was my first run and I got over 3
Go again
And you’ll be able to get more
sharp pumice
I heard 5 max in a week... alex knows that better.
... I get the glorious amount of 2.5 per run.... a little bit more when I go alone ^^,
(or may be less again... shrugs)
orchid nexus
I think you can maybe get as much as 5 in a week if you collect a lot of stars.
But I usually settle for 4.5
terse swift
whew, lotta work
sharp pumice
the things we do for ... never mind... ^^,
analog delta
Does completing the eden thing force me to restart my character?
cinder ruin
I went with 54 stars, I got 2.5 candles, the next I go with one more star.
lusty light
It doesn’t matter how many stars you go in with it matters how many you give away
cinder ruin
@analog deltaYour collectible items stay with you
lusty light
^
You buy winged light and when you get reborn you start off with the amount of winged light you have bought
analog delta
And then I can collect the yellow people again in the main levels?
analog delta
So when I am reborn what happens?
analog delta
Yea, those must be stars
lusty light
You collect those glowing children again
I thought you were talking about the emote spirits oops
analog delta
No worries!
I have almost all the emote spirits by now... but I guess I have to complete the eden area to get the candles to get their special items
lusty light
So eden is basically you collect those light children for winged light > run storm and give away the winged light for ascended candles > use ascended candles to buy permanent winged light > repeat
analog delta
permanent comes from the spirits right?
lusty light
There are 39 permanent winged light if I’m remembering right?
Yes
With that many winged light every time you run eden you’ll be reborn with a level 5 cape
analog delta
Ahh I see. I have 1 less than a level 6 cape right now
I should probably get some of those special candles
lusty light
Yes!
sharp pumice
special items <-- need either candles or hearts... hearts you can buy or can get them from friends (friends! <3) .. candles from, well candles, but you can collect that candle power again every day
lusty light
Those candles are also used to unlock special friend abilities
Such as warping from anywhere in the level!
sharp pumice
the next season will be fun.... explaining three types of candles.. haha ^^,
lusty light
There is a little image tutorial in game :0
analog delta
Ah, I think I get it. I've given away a couple hearts, still waiting to get more. I think i used up mine on something stupid not realizing how hard to get they are
lusty light
You can also buy hearts directly from emotes
But only 1 per emote
It’s good for a head start
sharp pumice
we've all been there at some point, ziekke ^^
analog delta
most of the items made sense, it was just the rebirth mechanic I was confused about
@sharp pumice I bet hehe
cinder ruin
The store does not work for me.
lusty light
Yes there is no store in beta
During the first week of beta there was a store and people stocked up on hundreds of candles lmao
cinder ruin
I once saw something in the store. When did i start playing
lusty light
That was the season pass
cinder ruin
Ahhh
lusty light
It’s the only thing we have access to “buy” in beta
If you play the limited live version what you would see are just candle packages to buy
And orange cape
cinder ruin
I wanted a cape but it cost 50 hearts. Can I accumulate 50 just exchanging candles for heart with the spirits?
lusty light
No there’s only like 35 hearts you can buy from them
sharp pumice
black cape or white cape? ^^
cinder ruin
Black ..,
sharp pumice
I want the white one
cinder ruin
So it would be easier if I had two accounts
lusty light
Yes but that’s cheating kind of 👀
sharp pumice
I only had it for a short time before reset, didn't get it the first time it was around
waited so long for it to appear again ^^,
cinder ruin
I've seen people who have an account on every device. Mac, iPhone & iPad
Unfortunately I sold my Mac and my Apple TV is second generation
lusty light
iPhone and iPad share accounts
sharp pumice
meh.. I have barely enough time for one account... and then: what are friends for if not to help each other? ^^
lusty light
I would like to have the same account on Mac but it’s not possible
sharp pumice
speaking of time... x.x, 🛏 💤
cinder ruin
Here are 20:26 pm yet
sharp pumice
1:27 ... a.m.
lusty light
Fun fact
cinder ruin
I like Rammstein, they are owersome
sharp pumice
=^_^=
sharp pumice
yeah... when I say "I am Winterfuchs", the game thinks it's something bad x.x,
lusty light
But if you just say “winterfuchs” it’s fine
sharp pumice
yep
cinder ruin
Why is censored?
lusty light
🤷🏾♀️
sharp pumice
I guess the filter gets confused by mixing languages
cinder ruin
But what Winters means?
sharp pumice
same as in english ^^
cinder ruin
Ahhh
sharp pumice
so basically... 'winter fox'
most call me 'Winter' in game...
(although there was/is someone else by that name)
cinder ruin
Nice, now i understand
sharp pumice
anyway. good night ^^ been off topic enough. (oh well, filter probably still counts as on topic)
lusty light
Goodnight winter!
cinder ruin
See you later
analog delta
Is the manta call around the building with the spinny rings?
cinder ruin
That's a little quest
analog delta
I see it greyed out in my emote bar but can't find anything for it
spark lance
Yes, it’s down low beneath some candles
cinder ruin
I'm trying to remember what you get for reward after that.
spark lance
Well, it has a rewards map like other voice emotes. Is that what you are asking?
analog delta
Oh I figured it out 😃
finite pumice
Here’s the wiki for Storm. Warning, there are spoilers in there. https://sky-light-awaits.fandom.com/wiki/Storm
analog delta
Is the cheer emote in game or is it missing?
hybrid wedge
Okay hint:
analog delta
Wouldn't that just make perfect sense. With that hint I found it right away haha
Thanks @hybrid wedge !
hybrid wedge
Haha, no problem!
analog delta
Phew.. only two more obtainable emotes left to collect
cinder ruin
I just saw a player using the emote of meditation. does anyone know if the bug has been fixed or how to get it?
spark lance
did it look like praying or like sitting in the air criss legged?
cinder ruin
That's right. sitting in the air with his legs crossed.
I tried to make friends with him but he did not take my candle
I wish I had asked him how he got that emote.
analog delta
The bug didn't seem fixed when I tried to get it yesterday or a few hours ago
cinder ruin
I tried again as soon as I saw him
finite pumice
seen on FB mention of someone who has this emote that is being just a tad smug about it. perhaps the same person.
empty inlet
Sad discovery: Journey cloak has completely removed from Sky
hybrid wedge
main ivy
Whaat :( that's very sad
hybrid wedge
Not surprising though, with everything being reset. :- (
analog delta
Hopefully they pass some of that stuff back to beta testers when big launch happens
primal prawn
I was offline for about 1 week and now i wanted to continue playing the beta but it seems like ir got reset and the email i got says the link doesnt work because the beta is full, help?
main ivy
I'm sorry. The beta is full. :(
That's all there is to it right now.
analog delta
From previous comments you will be out of luck until another wave goes out
hybrid wedge
Keep an eye on #beta-announcements in the meantime though.
primal prawn
testing for over a year and now this...😢
did you guys keep progress?
u did right?
main ivy
Nope 😢 Beta reset.
hybrid wedge
Nope. Everything reset but friendships, those were put back to L1.
polar nest
@finite pumice sry,I don’t have enough candles. Next time!
finite pumice
No probs. I’m almost home so I can’t play. Just topping up the tamagotchi.
polar nest
Ah
finite pumice
I don’t give to get. It’s nice to see old friends back in the game.
polar nest
@finite pumice btw can you get the wax that lights up your shrine? I can't light your name, but it shows that I sent you wax.
finite pumice
Interesting. I’ll look now
polar nest
okay
finite pumice
@polar nest you’re not in my stars. That means at some point in the past I’ve removed you for some reason. There’s an annoying bug in the game that doesn’t break friend connections properly. I’ve got 3 people like this in mine. I’ll contact support and ask them to fix you up.
polar nest
ahh
cold raven
Is it worthy to grind in Beta for this? 🤔
blazing cloak
There is no quicker way to repeat the flight race or is it? I try to collect the backflip and it is a long way to go in there again and again xD
main ivy
@cold raven Probably not, since live will be coming out in a month.
radiant drum
The beta will coexist with the live version after launch, but we don’t know when the next beta reset will be. It could be with the release, it could be a whole year again, so it’s up to you @cold raven ^^
cinder ruin
@primal prawn Try sending an email to support. I saw in a post on Facebook that TGC would help if you could not get back to Beta after the reset.
spark lance
@blazing cloak You need to repeat the whole race.
At least once you’ve got an emote, you’re all set. We used to have to recollect emotes after Storm.
blazing cloak
@ @spark lance i mean not the race i mean the way bevor the race to go quicker to the race xD
spark lance
If you’re asking if there’s a shortcut to the race, no.
blazing cloak
Ok thank you (:
orchid nexus
ha ha @main ivy your ladder climbing bug report makes me laugh because I spent so long working on a strategy to climb that ladder.
I go side to side on the ladder and the jump usually works that way
main ivy
Hahaha
It's so fun to climb it before the ledge shows up... but once it does, the kid absolutely loves that ledge. Are sky kids afraid of ladders or something? :P
It's really surprising to me how well the ladders work, it's really cool and unexpected. Which makes it even more disappointing when, so close to the top, your kid just can't resist that ledge.
spark lance
@main ivy at least you don’t need to go up more than 4 or 5 to see the star hand
I can’t help wanting to slide the ladders around like in those fabulous private libraries
main ivy
Haha. Sky: Broken leg simulator.
main ivy
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vqKq3hNWTybhl2F0XuewvmHQfyupGd75KyaeJj0fg0k/edit?usp=sharing
I finished a Sky feedback doc! Has notes on the most recent season, the reset, flight, and general update notes.
Sorry about the title of it :/
Was the file name. Docs has decided that's the best label to put on it.
I really gotta stop having such silly file names, haha
spark lance
@main ivy now i can be spoiled without telling myself i got spoiled thx man
hybrid wedge
Next is probably making the Android and console and PC versions that people have been asking for since forever.
solar schooner
YAY PC version of Sky 😄
spark lance
@hybrid wedge I could almost swear the other platform queries began the first week of the beta. 🤦🏻♀️
hybrid wedge
Wait, it took that long for them to start?
spark lance
why dies discord switch the gender of the emoji?
hybrid wedge
which ones?
spark lance
the non-discord one like the face palm 🤦🏻♀️
wait, I see this is a big topic out there so I’ll investigate
analog delta
Anyone want to be a heart buddy with me to trade hearts? 😃
spark lance
@spark lance probably because they have the emoji setup as the different gender
some emojis have various changes on its platform and a small amount of them are more huge changes
face palm is a good way to show this
analog delta
Earning some hearts busking in the home area.. not bad 😃
finite pumice
Ok so if the beta member count has jumped from 400 to 7000 in the past week, where are they all? Not just here, but in game too?
spark lance
@finite pumice most likely a good majority of them are just people who dwell on the game every once in a while, or are keeping beta incase they wish to play it
finite pumice
So, not especially helpful to the cause then.
spark lance
because the beta member count jumped so high there's a better chance that random people joined for no reason at all
yeah that's pretty much an accurate answer
finite pumice
If they are playing then at least the server load can be stress tested.
spark lance
that would be very helpful for the servers not gonna lie
and especially for the main game when the servers get overflooded
i'm sure there are people who would be active in the beta if they knew it existed
finite pumice
Which is sure to happen in the first week or two of live.
spark lance
i think the most optimal solution to this would probably kick out people after one week of inactivity
not sure if that it is possible w/ testflight but it most certainly could be an option of it is possible
finite pumice
Yep. So keep playing people.
spark lance
i would actually play if i got beta lol
maybe not as much in july but definitely before then since i have a summer class
lusty light
1 week of inactivity is really harsh imo
spark lance
finite pumice
Nah TestFlight won’t do that automatically. It gives session counts but it’s not reliable
green sky
@small sierra Can you explain what you meant by the following message? Are you going to start kicking people off the beta? "Greetings @everyone. We have currently reached our tester limit (7000), but will be inviting additional people in the following weeks. If you would like an opportunity to get into the iOS Beta, or would like to ensure that you continue to be a part of it, we encourage you to keep an eye on this channel. See you in the skies! 
"
finite pumice
@green sky I’ve turned notifications on for that channel now.
spark lance
@green sky it probably means that they'll amp the tester limit or stop kicking people out
solar dragon
The limit is currently at 7000, but we will be increasing that number in the coming weeks so we can invite more people to the Beta.
vapid drum
@solar dragon are you going live with the beta version or the soft version ?
finite pumice
@solar dragon the message from Robert implies that we need to do something to be kept inside the group. Are we looking at another reset before launch?
@polar nest all fixed now
solar dragon
Sorry for the confusion, but you won't need to actually do anything. 😃 We're suggesting to follow the conversation in the Beta Facebook group or this Discord for when we announce the next Beta invite waves, as it will be first come first serve, and they may go quickly like last time.
As for another reset, you will have to unfortunately save that question for the dev team on Friday's Q&A livestream, as I don't know the answer to that for certain just yet - sorry!
warm timber
~(≧▽≦)/~I hope I’m invited.....even though I’m probably not¯_(ツ)_/¯
hybrid wedge
warm timber
I see I’m not the only one T^T
warm timber
How do you find twitch btw
I’m inexperienced with social media stuff
spark lance
check #old-𝚛ules
there should be a section in the website where you can find their social medias
main ivy
I don't know about this time, but usually the livestreams are on Facebook
They've never streamed on Twitch before.
warm timber
Thank you
main ivy
(I wish they would, haha)
spark lance
alrighty, guess that means i’ll have to figure out a way to download fb again lol
thanks
: )
main ivy
I'm hoping someone (usually Alex does it) will re-broadcast the stream so I don't have to touch gross Facebook
solar dragon
Our livestream will be on our Facebook page, but it'll be on the public page that you shouldn't need an account to see (facebook.com/thatskygame). I am open to us heading to Twitch as well, but the team hasn't had the bandwidth to make that happen just yet
spark lance
ah, alrighty
main ivy
Poor TGC needs an internet upgrade!
solar dragon
Haha, I meant more like time 😛
main ivy
Ohh haha
Yeah I can understand that
spark lance
ah that’s interesting
solar dragon
Just juggling a lot of different priorities to get ready for launch, so some things get shifted to later if they aren't critical 😅 But it's important to me for us to have a non-Facebook option eventually!
I hear you, Shira ❤
main ivy
❤ ❤ ❤
I can deal with re-broadcast streams a bit longer. I know things must be pretty hectic so close to launch.
spark lance
yeah, it would be interesting if you guys got more options for streaming
i’d see twitch as a viable choice with youtube being the second
i feel like beta will reopen next week to new players
although i'm not sure
hybrid wedge
Feel confident enough to bet a heart? ;- )
main ivy
I want in on the bet too!
Except I want a real heart, preferably still beating
:P
main ivy
Hey if it's still beating, it's still alive! Doesn't count as murder then!
spark lance
well i mean actual release comes next month
warm timber
I can link my count down till the release if you guys want, I made a far to personal joke of it in the screen shots and videos page
valid venture
Anyway to get a test flight
warm timber
Scroll up....you’ll see my comment on dreaming for an invite to be able to play the game early/look for bugs
warm timber
T^T
I know I’m venting and probably annoying the crackerjacks out of you people but I must say that my encompassing impatience is melting me from the inside out (///▽///)
spark lance
you kinda are
but that is very much normal
in fact i do feel such impatience too
i would be very disappointed if i didn't get a chance at beta
i feel your pain @warm timber
warm timber
😂
orchid nexus
Yes I'll try to rebroadcast the livestream to twitch, and post a link here when I do.
orchid nexus
That will be on live.e3expo.com and I'm pretty sure open to public.
And that's broadcast on twitch. I'll post a link during the runup if someone doesn't beat me to it!
Oh, Aeri beat us both to it in #news
warm timber
Well, have a good night everyone, my attendance score won’t increase by itself
finite pumice
@main ivy thank you. I had a feeling we were going to disagree about the controls having read your other essays that ppl have reposted on FB. Turns out we are on the same page. Sometimes it's easy to doubt myself when I write my posts and whether my experience is just different and that I'm being hyper critical. It helps to know that I'm not the only one having these issues with the controls.
@main ivy that orrery quest is basically impossible with the current controls from my experience. I haven't been past prairie yet so I didn't know all that stuff is gone.
I'm hoping it will come back once they fixe the controls. Jenova said that the wing button would be removed and a more elegant solution provided. I'm beginning to doubt it will get there in time for us to test it adequately though.
polar nest
@finite pumice i see
main ivy
@finite pumice Orrery quest used to be darn near impossible, but they improved the controls a LOT after the initial issue and made it very fun. Yes it still made us rely a bit on help from the birds to get to the light in the highest ring, but just before it was removed it could be completed near flawlessly.
It was also something not heavily affected by the changes to closed/open wing mode, since it doesn't really ask you to stop or drift down.
spark lance
ooh i’ll be able to see the stuff at e3 tomorrow lol
finite pumice
I found just before the reset that I couldn’t reliably swoop to get the light because I’d end up doing flips and when I smashed the bedammed toggle button I’d suddenly drop like a feather and lose my ability to regain flight. Absolutely maddening
Lose the in-flight tricks and give me control any day.
vale quartz
I'm not really sure where else to put this, but I finally finished the game and as much I love the ending there is a spot that's unfriendly to those with light sensitive epilepsy and light sensitivity in general that I wanted to bring to the devs attention. ||It's right at the end, after hugging the shadow child and during the upward flight, where there are flashes of lightning.|| While it did not trigger a seizure in me (I'm playing on an iphone 8), it could cause a problem with a larger screen or in someone who is more sensitive than I am.
hybrid terrace
I just played through the Orrery, I found it challenging but fun. Lots of lift in this area, but it is made for flying so it fits. The bird statue in front looks like its dead, I wish it looked more ornamental or something (or came to life when the quest is completed).
hollow compass
I came here to complain - lol, not but seriously, I have a question for other players to see if I am the only one who isn't comfortable/happy with the new currency system.
I find that forcing players to level up friendships in order to give hearts goes against the whole idea of the game as communal and socially encompassing.
By having to level up specific players in order to get hearts it: a) creates cliques b) creates obligation and c) takes away spontaneity
But I'd love to hear what others think about this.
main ivy
I think it's a minor issue. It's annoying to want to give a heart to a friend only to realize I never unlocked hug with them. Then I might not have enough candles to both unlock hug and gift.
I get the intent. Hearts are supposed to be special things for close friends, you're not meant to be just tossing them at people you met 2 minutes ago. But it's a little annoying to have a good friend you just didn't have the need to use many friendship actions with, and then you realize that your 3 candle gift is going to cost twice that to actually deliver.
hollow compass
But I liked "tossing them" at strangers. I liked the idea of being able to gift a random player who happened to be helping me or joining me at some point in the game. That's what I meant by spontaneity.
I also know that many of us have friends here and other places that we play with and like you said, maybe we just don't need to unlock in-game features with them.
jade lake
Can’t you send anyone a heart from the constellation map in home?
main ivy
I think so, but then you have to wait until you're Home. So it's not possible to do as an "I care about you, friend!" in a level.
high ember
Anyone else find Isle to be beautifully boring? Once you’ve gone through to get the emotes there’s literally no reason to return except when you need to recollect your stars after Storm. Not even any red candles to light any more.
spark lance
@high ember Beautiful yes, boring no. I find its serenity and tonal qualities just what I need over morning coffee. I always collect the wax there too because every little bit helps.
No red candles but burnable green stuff and the white candles give wax.
When it was deep winter where I live, Isle’s beach cheered me up greatly.
hybrid wedge
You can also do some really wonderful flying in that level. Come to think of it, it may be the most open and flight-friendly level we have. 🤔
orchid nexus
It's worth the trip sometimes just for the music. Put on headphones and walk, not run through!
spark lance
Ever played through without collecting anything? It’s a different experience I do once a week or so.
it’s a beautiful flow ignoring the call of collectibles
main ivy
Hmm. Sorta makes me miss all the fun ledges and paths original Isle had.
spark lance
I love its open spaces but I wish more of them were surfable. The uphill walking isn’t as fun.
thin orchid
Daydreaming: would be really cool if we could become butterfly masters. Going with this jar around and being able to release butterflies wherever we want
spark lance
@thin orchid I like that idea ... or maybe a butterfly spell.
hybrid terrace
Butterfly spell sounds neat, they could stay in the area you release them and help others get a boost up (would totally put them in Mountain to get up to the spirit there)
main ivy
That's actually a really cute idea
I'd love it even if the butterflies couldn't lift you, it'd be adorable
spark lance
Butterfly kisses?
narrow arch
That sounds adorable tbh
hybrid terrace
How about making them a different color, so we know they are just for show
spark lance
Good idea
narrow arch
Oh! What if they where cute pastel rainbow colours and when you flew they would make a little light rainbow behind you
spark lance
That would pretty addictive @Mel
glacial berry
And, back over to the Discord from Twitch! XD
tulip moat
Yo does anyone know where the sorry no emote is in the isle of dawn? I’ve spent so much time but I can’t find it
Nvm, I literally just found it. Guess I jinxed myself?? Idc I’m happy
analog delta
My feature request would be midi controller support and 5 octaves of sounds for the instruments
spark lance
wait, there are instruments? guess that means i get to bully people w/ megalovania.
rotund quail
@spark lanceYou can play piano, harp, bass, voice, bell ...
@spark lance look that https://youtu.be/c8HYBEjRGdQ
rotund quail
I had the privilege of having met Fiqo in the Beta. Now he's in Soft. We talked a lot while we waited for the "end of the world" (reset)
spark lance
that's beautiful man
i think you might be able to meet up with him again in soft when global launches
but merely speculation
rotund quail
Soft has a separate server, right?
rotund quail
@solar dragonDoes it have a YouTube channel?
solar dragon
I'm not following, sorry! Does what have a YouTube channel?
rotund quail
I only know that Fiqo video with the Wingbeats
finite pumice
@thin orchid that is a truly wonderful idea. @solar dragon (butterfly master idea - why doesn’t discord support threaded conversation?)
solar dragon
I don't know why it doesn't support threaded conversation, but I will cry with happiness the day that feature is finally released 😛
rotund quail
I found the idea brilliant
master of butterflies and the idea of umbrella would be very useful
empty inlet
But as they said in the fb stream last time, it was canceled because everyone in the company hate the idea of it can be hold by two ppl and prevent energy drop in rain. But we definitely gonna love it without any actual function, just as a accessory
Referring to umbrella
rotund quail
Seriously? I think the idea of share an umbrella brings people together
spark lance
^^^
analog delta
Do all instruments cost 5 hearts? or are the piano and others that are higher up more costly?
@lusty light Who is this with you?
lusty light
@radiant drum
analog delta
oohh, I met them a few days ago!
analog delta
😄 Back at ya!
Funny I wanted to drop in on Seraph, didn't expect to see someone else I knew hehe
radiant drum
and i believe the others are more expensive
lusty light
👀
warm timber
Sorry for the sudden abrupt randomness , question when the game realeces with I still have the cosmetics that I earned before I was unable to play
analog delta
I didn't want to spend a candle to find out... not that it matters anything past that candle is so many hearts haha
lusty light
@warm timber if you mean will beta progress carry over to live release it will not
Oh
It’s high five and hug then chat
And then fist bump and fancy high five and hug
Then warp
analog delta
What does warp do?
warm timber
K T^T thank you, I mean I wasn’t a beats tester I kinda cheated and switched my phone over to the Philippines, but then before the aviary tower was removed I got Apple Music
warm timber
Really?
radiant drum
@analog delta it lets you warp to your friend in the same level, wherever you are
analog delta
I can do that already from the home pad. Ahhhh okay
radiant drum
no, as in, warp to where they are and hold their hand
analog delta
So more of a shortcut.. cool 😃
radiant drum
you just click their name and you can warp to them
lusty light
Like if they are across the level you don’t need to fly
warm timber
Thank you....thank you so much for your supreme knowledge
analog delta
I'd raise you guys to chat but I'm low on candles and chatting is easier here haha
lusty light
I think piano is 10 hearts for your previous question
analog delta
Could be worse I suppose!
analog delta
Seraph was answering my Q about the upper tier instruments
the lower tier ones are 5 hearts. The piano seems to be 10. I'm not sure what a rainbow heart is
warm timber
Sorry, when I was able to play cough”which was a long time ago” getting just a horn was a rainbow Hart
radiant drum
there are no rainbow hearts anymore 
every cosmetic that costed rainbow hearts now costs normal hearts
lusty light
Rainbow hearts sucked
warm timber
No, it’s sadly good, they were almost impossible to obtain
It was a high honor to receive the legendary.
🌈RAINBOW CANDLE🌈
lusty light
All it led to was a bunch of keeping lists and only sharing between like 2 people
lusty light
It didn’t really feel like an honor if you had to pay them back otherwise they get upset
warm timber
Ya ....but I mean someone trusted you enough you give you a rainbow candle, in my opinion that’s trust on a major level for sky players
That’s the only reason I got a musical horn, trust
analog delta
Why did you need trust for that?
warm timber
Rainbow candle turminoligy
analog delta
Don't you get horns using normal hearts now?
lusty light
I don’t feel like it’s really a trust if you feel obligated to give back
warm timber
Not when I got one “I played at a time when stuff was still very new
lusty light
It’s not really a gift if you HAVE to give back because players will get upset if you don’t
People would rarely give out rainbow hearts to people they know wouldn’t give one back
warm timber
Well I gave someone a rainbow candle and didn’t receive anything back until someone gifted me one out of kindness asking nothing in return
warm timber
Good point
hybrid wedge
Ahh, Sera, I didn't realize you were on softlaunch during the rainbow candle era. I was on the beta while we had those, and my own experience was a bit different. I heard a lot of talk about people keeping lists of who to give to next, since we could only give one at a time. I'm sure for some people there was a feeling of obligation, and for others we just wanted to be able to show the same kindness and gratitude.
There are different ways to approach gift giving, you know? Some people do it as a simple gesture, just wanting to express happiness and gratitude. Others see it as part of a relationship that is built on giving in return, trusting that that tangible expressions of relationship will continue, where not reciprocating is unkind and unreliable.
And other times it's the countdown before a beta reset and people have end of the world parties spending their last candles to send hearts to friends. 
^^
warm timber
You’ve made me cry with your impressive minny speech
main ivy
Rainbow candles were a bad idea, but I think rainbow hearts were good.
warm timber
Ya, what if when you fly under a rainbow with other people everyone that’s flying with you including you got a rainbow Hart
And if you got enough you could use the Hart’s to change the flame of you candle/what you light to rainbow
warm timber
Anyone have anything about my question in the question chat?
orchid nexus
@calm sleet I can clarify your most recent bug report: I freeze by doing emotes when holding someone's hand (they are leading). You can unstick yourself by doing an emote again, but definitely a bug.
You mentioned getting up from playing music so maybe no precisely the same conditions, but I bet related
calm sleet
I have had that happen too, but this time I was not holding someone's hand.
main ivy
I get stuck randomly sometimes too when doing an emote, playing music, or holding hands. Like Alex said, using an emote fixes it.
calm sleet
Yeah, they probably are related.
calm sleet
NP. Sorry I can't help you with your question. @warm timber
warm timber
It’s ok, np(^-^)/
finite pumice
@solar dragon @small sierra is there any chance at all that some more passionate essays on how bad the various gates in the world of Sky are to game play and this beautiful world you've created will convince you and the team to remove them and give us freedom and beauty again?
What can we say that will make this happen? Playing as a newbie this week has me hating them more with every game play. They don't fit, they look ugly, they divide players, they are artificial, and and have no place in the story. Please oh please, remove them.
Next question for @solar dragon and @small sierra , even if, and I'm sort of assuming it will happen, the various ancestor cut scenes like the end of forest one, are finished off and polished, what are we going to do here when we already have all the emotes and have no light to give to the ancestor? In all the times Ive sat through this forest ancestor cut-scene, I've only once I think seen the light my kid gives the ancestor. With emotes collected, where do I get the light from to give him/her?
btw, the twins cut-scene is also very broken still.
warm timber
You should have seen what they looked like in the beginning
They were beautiful and majestic
More of an archway through the clouds then portals
short geyser
More experienced players can actually take you by the hand and lead you through them. But I do agree that they seem artificial. Not only because of the lack of story explanation, but also because they work against the premise of the game: the freedom to explore the world. However, I do get why they were implemented by the team. Let's hope they are still a temporary fix. So close to launch I don't think they will change something as big as this.
spark lance
I don’t mind the gates at all, and it’s nice taking less emoted players through.
Got to trust friends that you know well and that you can communicate easily quick.
short geyser
One thing that actually bothers me is that it takes too long to get through them. lol.
spark lance
Rather have a large adventurous detailed open worlds game or just a quick gaming format like almost all of the app games?
warm timber
Man, you people should have seen the seamless world travel between the original gates, it was beautiful
spark lance
I hope people won’t compare this game’s open world selection format to Mario 64
orchid nexus
The gates are artificial because it's a game! I don't mind them either and I do like the series of progressions you need to make to discover the way in. I did have a few moments of finding friends to drag me through on my first and second run, and I like the sneaky feeling of using your friend's power to pass an obstacle.
main ivy
I feel like people who don't like the constellation gates haven't seen what happens when you take someone unfamiliar with gaming and dump them into the Prairie.
I 100% support the constellation gates. They increase replay value, reduce confusion, and keep moths from getting in over their heads with challenging areas.
My only problem with them is that you have to re-open them a lot and they take forever to open.
orchid nexus
I also remember just after the branching flow was added, but before the gates, I started to feel more lonely in the game. Players would all have different areas they wanted to go to, and groups were frequently broken up. The structure and the slight delay in getting past seem to help with group cohesion.
spark lance
And not a bad reminder to slow down (says the person who likes to do star speed runs).
spark lance
sharp notes when
hybrid wedge
The scale used for the instruments basically hasn't changed since it was introduced--two octaves of a major scale. I don't try to predict what TGC will and won't do because I don't like to be wrong that often, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. XD
tulip moat
I’ve got a question about getting hearts (lots of ‘em). When you open up the friend constellation and pick a friend, there is the mail symbol with a heart and requires three candles to send. Does that send a heart to that friend. And is that how people can get enough hearts to buy capes (those things are expensive)?
main ivy
I'm conflicted on instruments. I want some with more keys! But how many keys can you comfortably fit on a phone screen anyway? And how will this work on other platforms, like if it ever comes to console?
@tulip moat Yes that sends a heart. If you send lots, people might send back! also spirits will sell you a heart.
the black and white capes are turbo expensive, so they're a really long-term goal.
spark lance
maybe we could probably be able to change our notes in a certain location
lol
i really don’t want to deal with playing majorlovania
main ivy
New plan: We get a real piano and play it while on voice chat with out sky friends
spark lance
yes
i think playing megalovania is possible
just in a key you shouldn’t be playing it in
although i haven’t gone through the wiki to check
lusty light
The way the piano works is that it’s only major keys so the only buttons are CDEFGAB in two octaves
even in the areas that have a sharp as a major key that just means EVERY key is a sharp
Or at least each note that can be sharp/flat is a sharp/flat
lusty light
Oh I see
Ppl do that all the time in game
But the issue really isn’t the major it’s the missing notes
The uh?? Idk how to word it
Like the sound between notes is gonna be off
spark lance
yeah
lusty light
c > a being changed to g > e sounds ok because it’s the same spacing
spark lance
i suggested playing majorlovania in #general-sky-discussion lol
and some people played night of nights in c when it should be in d
mainly because the instrument was a phone and the phone was set to c lol
lusty light
But that just means you’re shifting everything over 1 more
Note*
But there’s half notes you can’t really shift to
Which makes it sound weird
spark lance
no i meant like only using c notes lol
so playing a song in d only using naturals (c)
hybrid wedge
Yeah, we can only play things on major scales ("do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do") or one minor scale, so if there's an extra sharp or flat in a song that isn't in a scale by default, there's no way to play it--you play a regular B when it should be a Bb, for example.
Maybe there could be some seasonal instrument with an unusual scale or extra flats and sharps, but I'm not expecting the piano, harp, or horn to be changed.
orchid nexus
Take the music talk to #sky-music !
hybrid wedge
-1 for Nagati.
tranquil steppe
does anyone know if they're working on updating the mac version of the game, or just focusing on mobile before the release? the mac beta has been completely unplayable from constant crashes since june 7th.
lusty light
Focusing on mobile
main ivy
Excellent username, @tranquil steppe
spark lance
they said in e3 that they’re focusing on mobile because everyone has a phone lol, or at least can access it easily
in general ofc, not saying everyone has a phone
and i think it goes the same saying that it could be the reason they’re focusing on ios
although i haven’t done in depth research on which gets more sales so who knows lol
tranquil steppe
that makes sense. especially with a deadline crunch coming up quickly for ios
main ivy
Yeah. I'm so excited for release tho!
I hope TGC is getting proper rest despite this difficult deadline coming up.
orchid nexus
My guess is... no 
hybrid wedge
Yeah.
main ivy
Alex don't shatter my hopes and dreams, haha
It makes me sad to play a game and thinking 'Making this probably destroyed someone'
spark lance
well i mean
they put a lot of effort in it
and seeing how the beta is right now i can assume they’re just doing last min preps
and maybe a few additions
although i’m not in the beta that’s what i’m assuming
we could ask in the qna tho
main ivy
Yeah but I want to play a game that people put their work into, not a game that demanded they work until they shriveled up inside and started to crumble into stress dust.
I think there's a lot for them to do still. Even just trying to fix up all the bugs and polish everything for a good release in a mostly finished game is surprisingly hard work. And I wonder if they're juggling servers yet to prepare for the massive influx of day 1 players.
tulip moat
Where can you donate winged light?
spark lance
@tulip moat There’s a place down the street .... Are you asking how to light your friends (which gives them wax) in the constellation?
warm timber
That’s sounded a bit grim,....I’m gonna go LiGhT my friends
viscid dragon
Spark 'em up
orchid nexus
@patent karma regarding your bug report, the workaround for this condition for now is make sure when you free emote spirits, you go all the way to the cutscene at the end of the level, and don't skip the cutscene.
warm timber
@viscid dragon 
radiant drum
@rotund quail please carry discussion about bug reports outside of the #beta-bugs-ios channel
It’s better to not clog the channel and conversation flows better without the slow mode ^^
rotund quail
Did I post a bug here? Sorry for the lack of attention.
lusty light
No you posted discussion in the bug channel
You should @ that person and talk about the bug here
solar dragon
Just to clarify, Sera's helping us keep that channel clear so we can easily read through the bugs as we submit them to the team 😃
But thank you for helping them out, Harry!
rotund quail
Now I understand. Thank you @solar dragon
tulip moat
@spark lance no I mean donating my winged light (the stuff the gives you flight energy and levels up your cloak) I read you can do it but idk where
hybrid wedge
I think you might be talking about Eye of Eden.
To donate it, you'll need to complete most of the level, but it will be pretty obvious where you do it.
empty inlet
New build is out!
spark lance
The ending is so beautiful
hybrid wedge
Isn't it amazing, @spark lance?