2024-game-jam

[native chasm]

not really much of gameplay changed yet tho

[hasty drift]

think its still in the "waiting for a response from itch" phase

should have written the ticket in the "i failed my purchase" category for faster response

[native chasm]

well, it went from 99 HP to 444 (x4.5) and from 8 ATK to 2 (/4) so it's kinda about the same

yea, it's a bit harder to make glass cannons cuz u now need to get some hp too

I mean my team where I had 225 ATK would still work, but just cuz it wsa 225 ATK

[fringe star]

i may be theorizing, but is it possible to flee spam to trigger as much damage gain from evil and camila? reduce the number of monster tiles in exchange have coldfish more often?

so the highest possible damage may be different

[lament ermine]

got command highlighting working (+Komae improved autocomplete on another branch, can't wait for the merge conflicts)

[waxen trail]

@native chasm Fixed the scaling issues and the blue bar at the side of the screen!

Let me know if I accidentally broke everything and should panic

[native chasm]

yea seems to be fine

[waxen trail]

Yippie

[native chasm]

btw what do u think about endless mode idea?

like after defeating time god u can go back to square one keeping crew with their stats, but now all enemies have x2 stats.

[torpid bridge]

Our game's popularity now finally matched our game's place in how many ratings we have

22nd place

[fringe star]

[waxen trail]

I do kind of have an idea for an endless mode but I think it'll work differently somehow... maybe!

But it's not a priority right now, for this version of the game I think I just want to finish the SDK and a bit of polishing. And if GrabThatBread draws more characters I'll gladly add them

[native chasm]

I wonder how it will be then

[hasty drift]

Could do a ng+ with less rewards enemies having more atk n hp and fog faster, or smth

[lament ermine]

got path highlighting

[winter aurora]

continuing on implementing autocomplete, I may have found an issue (issue present on current web version )

[past meadow]

Any news from itch?

[fringe star]

[signal monolith]

Look at the postivies

As long as game jam is "not over"

This channel will exist

[waxen wasp]

last time it existed for some time even after the results were in

[fringe star]

i think this channel will only be removed once a new game jam happens

cuz i remember(vaguely) seeing another gamejam channel here

and i only recently joined

[native chasm]

just keep the channel and use it for next jam

[waxen wasp]

it will most likely go into the archive after a week or so

and they'l make a new channel for the 3rd one

thats how it was the first time and i dont see why they would change

[fringe star]

where might i find this archive?

[waxen wasp]

complete bottom of the channels list

idk if you need to make it visible in the server setting befor you can see it tho

[fringe star]

nice

[winter aurora]

everything going well resolving the merge conflicts

[fringe star]

goodluck

[tacit wasp]

Ouch

[winter aurora]

tbh we already resolved it (it was the scene that lost the cmd data bc no idea how causing the regex to find the color the cmd name match every character)
just found it funny to share it here

got some out of memory error testing at first

[void parcel]

SWEET RELIEF

theres still so much improvement to be had but i think im done for now

[fringe star]

[hasty drift]

now do pipe%

[void parcel]

i havent been able to. the pipe in the room between rooftops and boss is impossible to find

i looked for a good 20 minutes but there isnt many places to search in that room so im just kinda stuck

i even brushed against every wall in case there was a fake wall, but still nothing

[signal monolith]

it's super well hidden, want a hint?

[void parcel]

not yet, ill try to find it again at some point. but i may take you up on that offer if i still end up not being able to find it

the only place i can see that would make sense is the hole in the ceiling where you spawn, but i havent found a way to get up there

[signal monolith]

it's not it

[past meadow]

Wait, why did nobody say that Crazy Robot Body is a platformer with a timer

[signal monolith]

timer is a dlc lol

no, but I've added it in a postjam update

[past meadow]

Is it in game rn?

[signal monolith]

yes

just download the newest version from itch, or play the browser one

you have to turn on "speedrun mode" in the settings

[past meadow]

Give me few hours, I'm gonna challenge your time

[void parcel]

good luck. that was after more than 500 attempts

[past meadow]

Did you play Neon White?

[signal monolith]

I've played it

[void parcel]

nope, never heard of it

[signal monolith]

very good speedrunning game

first person platformer/shooter

[past meadow]

I haven't finished it, but all my times are at least top5k and my best is top 47 world

[void parcel]

oh wait no i just looked it up and ive seen it. i just didnt know the name

it looks cool

[signal monolith]

lol

[past meadow]

And of course a Neuro stream playing on the bg

[hasty drift]

i heard the "heart" and was confused bc i am watching the stream rn

when is the moment we riot against itch to fix the jam

[past meadow]

@signal monolith can we please have a button to quickly restart the level please

[signal monolith]

button? if you die or pause a level there's and option already, you want a keybind?

[past meadow]

There needs to be a shortcut to restart the leve, so you won't need to use a mouse to do so

I am trying to test possible jump combinations at the start of level 2, and it takes a lot of time restarting level with a mouse each time

[signal monolith]

I'll add it, I'll also fix the timer, because there's a way to cheese it right now

[void parcel]

wdym cheese?

[signal monolith]

don't worry about it

lol

me <-

[void parcel]

also yeah idk about this last pipe. ive been looking for the past 20 minutes

[tacit wasp]

Wow that's cool

[void parcel]

wow nice totally legit time!! good job!!

[void parcel]

even abusing the camera glitch to look through walls i havent found a single breadcrumb

[signal monolith]

it's really hidden, it has this feeling, "I shouldn't be here"

gonna upload the update in a second

forgive me if it's borked somehow lol

[past meadow]

@signal monolith add both "retry" and "restart run" shortctuts please 🙏

[signal monolith]

too late, restart run only for now

[past meadow]

Good enough

When update?

[signal monolith]

it should be up rn

[past meadow]

Gonna eat and practice

[signal monolith]

timer should be also much harder to cheese right now

[lusty falcon]

Any news?

[signal monolith]

nah

@void parcel want a hint or not yet?

[void parcel]

yeah i think ill need one

[signal monolith]

that's the hint

I'll give you a video if you still will be unable to figure it out

[void parcel]

wtf

[past meadow]

Hint to what?

[signal monolith]

the last pipe

[past meadow]

Collectibles?

[tacit wasp]

Don't tell me it's somewhere between all the windows

[signal monolith]

it's not, it's even more bullshit

trust me

it's bullshit af

if you still cant find it, ping me

[fringe star]

Progress

[warped forge]

Oh I found it

[signal monolith]

really? Good job, do you have a video of getting it?

[void parcel]

this is making me feel like i have negative iq lmao

[tacit wasp]

I'm thinking it's somewhere in the fall just before the transition to the boss scene

I hope not because it's super annoying to try to get lmao

[rotund rampart]

lets gooooo

[signal monolith]

you're almost right

[signal monolith]

first pipe% ever

let's go

[past meadow]

I hate the start of the second level

This jump in particular

[tacit wasp]

You know, a level selector would be nice
Would allow speedrunners to train on a specific level
And would allow me to search that damn pipe and fall to the boss area without redoing a whole run everytime

At least I'm getting good at level 2

[past meadow]

Speedrun is less than 20s to the last level

[warped forge]

A bit silly how you only can get the tutorial pipe outside speedrun mode, but can only see the ending screen IN speedrun mode. Have to tick the box mid-run to see this

[signal monolith]

that's why it's optional for pipe%

[signal monolith]

level selector is a good idea, but I have to also make some save system, that remembers it you beat the game at least once

I don't want player's to be able to skip straight to the last level without beating it

at least once

[tacit wasp]

True

[tacit wasp]

Also true but Level 2 is annoying

[lethal egret]

And I thought Evil was powerfull enough. What is that boost? Evil is an absolute menace.

[rotund rampart]

rightfully so

Eliv should always be the best

[past meadow]

Doing sub 50 runs now

omw to a WR

[native chasm]

any1 already made a table for records?

[fringe star]

LOL

[past meadow]

@signal monolith is binding "space" to scroll wheel allowed?

[signal monolith]

I'm not the police lol

[fringe star]

I Thought i hid this pretty well

[fringe star]

Based

[past meadow]

@void parcel your thoughts?

[void parcel]

that would be external tooling as there is no rebind option in-game, so i would say it shouldnt count. but its not like this is official on speedrun.com or anything so it honestly doesnt matter

[tame rapids]

it's a second anniversary of no results

[past meadow]

It is still more fun if we have solid rules

[cunning inlet]

sooo have the recalcs been done and results not released yet, or has itch still not done recalcs yet?

[past meadow]

Ok, no binds/macros then

[native chasm]

those could be different categories
like just speedrun and TAS ig

[fringe star]

i think its pretty balanced, you cant use vedal, anny and neuro to activate it, you basically loose the best artillery/multishot(vedal), the best skirmish fighter(anny) and neuro who can support evil by dealing a ton of splash

layna is playing evil in time

[lethal egret]

It's probably balanced... yeah. But evil can wipe entire maps as long as there're enemies. It's just very funny to see her clean up.

[signal monolith]

I'm making a support ticket to add my game to speedrun.com lol

because why not

[void parcel]

theyre not accepting short games rn though

[signal monolith]

it said on the other page "resonable length" more than 5 minutes on causal playthrough

it's should be ok

[fringe star]

It took me quite a bit to actually get past the first area so I'm pretty sure you can beat the 5 minute stuff

[signal monolith]

this is an example of causal playthrough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6SyBNORmmk

It's fine

[past meadow]

My hand hurts

Why haven't anyone tell me about CRB during voting time

[signal monolith]

I spammed it a lot xd

[past meadow]

Easily the most fun I had in a game-jam game

[signal monolith]

"plugged"

[past meadow]

Should've just said, "platformer" to me

[signal monolith]

plugged it 19 times lol

I'm still a rookie lol

[void parcel]

omg lol

i knew they plugged a lot, but didnt know it was that much

[hasty drift]

@proud smelt Layna plays Evil in Time on stream rn, if you wanted to know

[waxen trail]

Watching it

[hasty drift]

[past meadow]

Ok, my eyes hurt, my hand hurts, my best time is 49 for now, will continue tomorrow

[fringe star]

I CURSE YOU, EEP

[fringe star]

you can stack multiple buffs and cause chaos

-Leaping strike: 1/4 chance to multiply damage by 1.2
-Capital bombardment: Increase dmg by 25%
-Evil's special birthday: Increase dmg by 200%
-forgot about "valiant stand" increase dmg by 50%
Evil's Highest damage is 180

[past meadow]

Layna playing Game-jam games

https://www.twitch.tv/laynalazar

Starting with Evil in Time

[hasty drift]

yup

[past meadow]

Oh, nvm, my team rated your game, but idk what was the score, if it was me it would be 5 on fun for sure, idk if my team as big of platformer fans

[signal monolith]

I'm watching neuro playing scribblenauts rn

pretty fun

[hasty drift]

same

[signal monolith]

that's good, I hope they enjoyed it

[past meadow]

I'm watching both Layna and Neuro

[fringe star]

May I ask something, how long did you guys play neurowars, I kinda want to know since I didn't get to ask before?

[past meadow]

I played 4 or 6 levels, there were too many games we wanted to rate

[rotund rampart]

I played about 5 levels

[fringe star]

Thx, the adrenaline from this ego boost should be enough to finish the next campaign

[signal monolith]

I've played like two levels, I really liked it, but I don't like tactis games very much, so I didn'y play any more

I've saw how many levels this game has

and couldn't take it

lol

[void parcel]

MAN ive gotten so many runs like this... its always one of the last four wires... it would have been about 37.3 if i didnt miss it

[fringe star]

i already implemented saves so theres no need to complete everything in one run

[signal monolith]

I can increase their hitbox size but I don't think it would be good for "speedrunning integrity" lol

[fringe star]

still awesome people actually played that thing(neurowars)

[void parcel]

yeah i dont think you should. both so that old runs arent invalidated, but also because it requires more skill with smaller hitboxes

[signal monolith]

When I played it orignally, I kinda assumed that It had saves already

Because it's a big game

[fringe star]

LOL it didnt have saves at the beginning,(that required looking for ways to translate savefiles to binary, save it, then translate the binary back into savefiles and do all of this without causing extreme lag)

thx for playing still

[past meadow]

Layna is really strugling with Evil in Time

[signal monolith]

it's not easy to get all the ending

I got like 3 or 4 out of 5

[tacit wasp]

Looks like she somehow skipped ||Filter's murder||

[signal monolith]

weird

[past meadow]

I only got Anny ending, but I was satisfied with all the alternate timeline copium, so I just ended there

[tacit wasp]

Oh this game is good

[signal monolith]

I also got one where ||evil stays on vedal's vm because he got too paranoid||

[past meadow]

BTW, we released post-jam update today
https://pipeheads.itch.io/abandoned-pub

[fringe star]

may i ask

is this multiplayer?

[past meadow]

Neuro integration

[winged jay]

was the 2nd ending added?

[past meadow]

Plus some minor changes to the script

[tacit wasp]

Wait, AI Customer? Neuro will be able to make Vedal works overtime?

[past meadow]

[tacit wasp]

Sounds awesome, hopefully Vedal will play the game again

[void parcel]

so close to sub 37

i finally didnt miss any wires as well

[fringe star]

the last jump into the glass hole at 14s, is it possible to just slide rather than jump?, i think the air time slowed you like a couple of miliseconds

[void parcel]

yeah it is, i just messed up there

saves around 2-300 milliseconds if you dont accidentally jump

and if ur really unlucky you might accidentally jump on top of the enemies which can cost you a whole second

thats why i spam attack there, to hopefully kill the enemies (and because you can get stuck between the enemies)

[fringe star]

btw im wondering

how far can you jump in this game

cuz i think you can skip the building one the left at 8s if you are fast enough

[signal monolith]

There's no speed cap

I think

Velocity code is blursed af

[void parcel]

i did try that, but it seems just out of reach to me. however, it is possible to jump almost right on the corner of the building instead of the center like i did there, which would save probably 100-200 milliseconds

and then there is also the aspect of timing slide jumps perfectly, because the sooner you leave the ground after sliding, the more speed you keep

its very possible to reach the boss in sub 15 seconds, and then i think the minimum boss time (for humans) would be around 20 seconds

im not sure if a tool assisted run could get sub 30 seconds, but probably at least 33 or 32

anyway, unless someone beats my time i am officially done trying to improve. im not sure i would even be skilled enough to get a sub 37 time tbh, so huge congrats to anyone that does

[tacit wasp]

I'm currently at 64 seconds, I don't think I'll beat you for a while

[past meadow]

I will try tomorrow, but it's a very strong time

[fringe star]

yo dude

in speedruns does transitions count toward the actual time?

[void parcel]

i think it depends on the game, and how long the transitions are

[fringe star]

theres around 200 for each transition

3 transitions makes it 600

your time is tecnically around 36.500s so congrats on beating sub 37

[void parcel]

actually i just remembered the standard is to not count transitions that load a new area, because then the speed would depend on your computer hardware

thanks for mentioning it

[fringe star]

i checked the numbers, each transition increased the first decimal by either 2 or 1, meaning at least -300 on final time, and at most -600, which means even at the lowest you still beat sub 37

[tacit wasp]

Who made TroubleShooting? Layna is playing it on stream right now

[signal monolith]

In my game transitions do count but the loading doesnt, so they are the same timeloss for everyone

Fade in lasts 0.1 seconds as well as another 0.1 of fade out

[fringe star]

rip

[winter aurora]

I already pinged the team

[rotund rampart]

@winter aurora do we have a skip intro button yet

[winter aurora]

I think we do on the lastest uploaded version ?

[rotund rampart]

okay, imma play it again haha

[fringe star]

yo @waxen trail layna's chat is wondering if you were a bot

[waxen trail]

Wait for real

I missed that

Oh well, that's what I deserve for backseating in chat and acting scummy

[waxen trail]

xDDDD

I am a bot it's TRUE

[cerulean jetty]

Next gamejam you need to make text based games, it looks like Neuro may be able to play those really well.

Text based, and preferably something that leaves room for interpretation.

[past meadow]

Well, we made integration for Abandoned Pub, we'll see how well she handles it

[waxen trail]

Any word on what to do after you have integration?

[rotund rampart]

tbh, I say it but what does om even mean

[past meadow]

[waxen trail]

Fair

[signal monolith]

[rotund rampart]

we don't even know anything about results

[waxen trail]

Yee still waiting on Itch

[tacit wasp]

No clue, I just know it does a laughing emote on Twitch so I use it

[rotund rampart]

om

[waxen trail]

On that one twitch extension (7tv?) it looks like this but faster

https://tenor.com/bWsak.gif

[rotund rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-dancing-dance-moves-peanut-butter-jelly-time-gif-17303374

[waxen trail]

You can see it in the chat on Vedal's screen when chat laughs for example

[fringe star]

yo katsu

your game is also part of layna's to play list

[rotund rampart]

yea I saw the list

I was watching the stream

[hasty drift]

om

[rotund rampart]

om

[lethal egret]

I'm stuck at stage 10. It's like the difficulty says: Insanely hard But i'll figure it out one day.

[waxen trail]

She's so real for that

[past meadow]

Wait, she showed the list? I was watching 2 streams at the same time so didn't see it

[fringe star]

Wise words

https://itch.io/c/5238762/oneyeetyboyos-collection

thats the list braza

[rotund rampart]

when she was linking, it was connected to a list of games

[rotund rampart]

dw pub is there

[past meadow]

what is this

[rotund rampart]

tutelcrawler

[past meadow]

oh nyo

[fringe star]

finally got to atleast 3rd

[hasty drift]

did not rate the hit game neuro64 smh

[placid salmon]

Layna is in my game so I hope she sees that if she plays it

[rotund rampart]

Layna is in alot of the games on that list

[hasty drift]

is there a layna tutel?

[rotund rampart]

I think one of her mods picked the list

[civic fractal]

Mods didn't see the neuro clips smh

[hasty drift]

noone tell her

[placid salmon]

That makes sense

[waxen trail]

Her reaction would be priceless lmao

[rotund rampart]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212060

kinda wish more people play this

its quite charming with some fun puzzles

[fringe star]

can i ask, have you gotten to the bossfight?

[hasty drift]

peak

[lethal egret]

BOSS FIGHT? Naah. I was stuck still trying to clean up the enemies.
Is there one? Oh my, the game has peak!

[placid salmon]

Aquwa played my game uncensored to completion and it was fine, and I believe it's good for content

[waxen trail]

Aquwa is the GOAT for playing our game

[rotund rampart]

I don't think there's any need to censor your game

[hasty drift]

react streamers are built different, they dont mind tutel heart heart heart scenes

[rotund rampart]

its not like the heartheartheart scene was graphic though

[placid salmon]

Imagine skipping the goat treasures of the sands

[hasty drift]

it wasnt its funny that everyone is overreacting tbh

[fringe star]

i think its because of the tutel mating sounds

[fringe star]

my bad, cant play download games cuz, anymore and my laptops gonna go kaboom

[placid salmon]

Don't worry, I was just joking

[fringe star]

also i cant play firstperson games, i have weird eyes and it makes me sea sick

[hasty drift]

sometimes depends on the POV° tbh

[placid salmon]

I believe my game is SFW and doesn't break any rules, but I'm biased, I looked at twitch rules and moaning was allowed if the context wasn't sexual and not overused, some songs have it for example, and the tutels sound is a well known meme

And twitch has allowed way worse things in my opinion

[fringe star]

its weird, humans are weird, i cant play minecraft because firstperson, but i can read books in a moving car?

[waxen trail]

How can you read books in a moving car

[fringe star]

i dunno, i just dont get motion sick from it

[signal monolith]

it supposed to be difficult or smth?

[hasty drift]

only when u are the one driving

[civic fractal]

I'm chatting with yall while in a moving car. Don't get motion sick from that. To be fair, I don't get motion sick that often these days.

[waxen trail]

Idk I can get some nausia reading in a moving vehicle

If it's serious reading

At least I used to

[signal monolith]

I never got motion sick in my life, even when playing some really shitty vr games

[hasty drift]

movement in vr gets me sick

[fringe star]

vr makes me not sick, cuz it feels like normal, but game screens for some reason are weird

[winter aurora]

vr do not make me sick unless the game fill my 4GB of vram & go into 1-2fps (or less)

[rotund rampart]

they affect you in different ways, reading in a moving car needs you to focus on one thing that's happening, while a first person pov 3D game needs you to be processing wide while moving

so based on what you've described, its likely that if you change your minecraft pov to 3rd person and you just need to focus on one point (your character), you won't be getting motion sickness as easily

[fringe star]

yeah

first person makes me sick

[rotund rampart]

it happens

[tawdry apex]

try changing your fov or frame rate, I've heard that can help

[fringe star]

thx

the sun has risen, goodmorning everyone

[hasty drift]

[native chasm]

I've a question, any1 was a part of collab where different people did different scenes in Unity or smth and then someone put these together? How long did it take?

Like, putting things together

Cuz I kinda feel like that would be pretty quick task but I didn't have any experience with that kind of stuff so can't say for sure

[rotund rampart]

really depends on what you're making, your team make up etc

[waxen trail]

Also depends on how big the differerence is

[rotund rampart]

I don't even use scenes in Unity

[waxen trail]

Between what you're combining

[rotund rampart]

I mean, in the main game, I don't use scenes

and scenes are more like just workspaces for testing and placing things

it really depends on how you're delegating your team and how your overall game architecture is

[native chasm]

E.g. a novel with minigames, where different games made by different ppl

[native chasm]

So with good communication and management it shouldn't take long?

[rotund rampart]

you need someone experienced to lead that process, and you need protocols in place to combine them well

[rotund rampart]

well without proper architecture and management, you won't even be able to merge it

[native chasm]

I see, makes sense

[rotund rampart]

granted in this case you can probably just go from one scene to another, as long as NOTHING is shared between each of those projects(?)

need more details

if you're just mishmashing projects, as long as you import everything and use the Unity SceneManagement, you can get a functioning product I guess

[native chasm]

Oh I'm just wondering for now, not making anything yet

[waxen trail]

Depends on your code structure. You can have it be one scene and minigame is a prefab, or you can switch between scenes, etc. But it's good to plan that ahead of time. Worst case you can reflect afterward and see what works and what doesn't

I think it's good if people work in their own scenes and then someone combines it later if you're using git or other version management

[native chasm]

Well ig there can be a script that everyone just put in their scenes to share stuff between them?

[signal monolith]

If you want a simple way to make a anthology style game, look at dread x collection

it's a unity game

and it launches seperate games

[rotund rampart]

idk, personally if someone is leading a project, I don't really suggest "winging it", cause you'd be responsible for the time of the people working on the project if it ends up not working

[waxen trail]

There's a difference between a big commerical project and two friends trying to make a game together for the first time

[native chasm]

Yeah I just thought like "people create their scenes with instructions what to load and what scenes they should go to" and then manager just puts it all into one project

[rotund rampart]

that's true

[rotund rampart]

okay in your example, are we talking about like 5 people+ or like 2 guys

basically the first things you need to identify is

What data is shared among all the projects, IE say your team is making a game with Cookies as a currency shared in every game. All the people working on each game needs to be able to get "Cookies" from a single source that's tracked across the entire game

[native chasm]

So for example, person A gets instructions to make a minigame 1, person B gets instructions to make minigame 2, person C gets instructions to make dialogues between those minigames. They all get a script for setting like music and SFX volume to be consistent that they must use, then they work in their own scenes (A makes one, B makes another one, C makes 3 scenes) and they get instructions like "person A, after player is done with your minigame, scene C2 should start. Person B, for you it's scene C3. Person C, after your scene C1 first minigame from A should start, after scene C2 secon minigame by B should."

Then all of these 3 ppl send their scenes to manager that puts its all in one project and checks if it's working.

[rotund rampart]

in this case, manager is the lead dev?

[native chasm]

Also with instructions on how to name those scenes ig

[rotund rampart]

or is manager just a guy

[native chasm]

Yeah kinda, but I'd assume they're more of person in control that checks if everything is going well

[rotund rampart]

this can work but it will be a very flimsy structure

[native chasm]

Wdym?

[rotund rampart]

for starters, if everyone is only given instruction to just "Do x and do y", everyone will have vastly different coding structures, this usually ends with competency issues where for example, the middle guy has no streamlined endpoints, so the first guy and third guy will need to figure out how to "work with" the middle guy

if its a team of friends then it should work

but if its a team of unrelated people, the manager will need to know how to go through all their code and connect it

so the most important question is, in this vision you have, are you looking to hire or collaborate with friends

[naive walrus]

Yea having some architectural backbone would make managing the project much easier then just have some design direction

[native chasm]

Forgive my ignorance, but what u mean by "streamlined endpoints"?
-# (Idk if that's language barrier or I'm just too uneducated here but I genuinely don't know)

I'm not exactly sure how one person can affect another if they're working on different things with different codes

[naive walrus]

Like one person makes only dialogue appear but there needs to be some way to start it and pass in information this sort of deal

And other people will be required to use it

[rotund rampart]

basically, an endpoint is the "end of a game logic", ideally, if someone is making a dialogue system, the endpoint would be "if you give my text lines, the dialogue will play"

[signal monolith]

also I think many people code things in different way so they'll feel much different

[rotund rampart]

so the streamlined endpoint in this case would be

PlayDialogue(string line);
for example

[naive walrus]

And maybe have some callback event

[rotund rampart]

without a proper guideline, experience of devs can differ significantly, and you can end up with a

PlayDialogue(Character c, Dialogue dialogueObject, Dog aDog); and the next guy would be like ???

and then they will either spend days trying to figure out what's a dog object or something, and the more complex things go, the difficulty to connect these systems became proportionally harder

[native chasm]

In what I gave as example above, dialogues would be in separate scene though?
Person C makes first scene with some talking. After that dialogue, minigame A starts (just change of scene). After that minigame, another scene with dialogue, after it another minigame, and then last dialogue scene.
I'm not quite sure how something in dialogue scene might affect other devs if they only make minigames?

[rotund rampart]

I'm just using dialogue as an example, in the end it depends on your scope on how "connected" these things are

[native chasm]

Hello Copilot please explain this shit

[rotund rampart]

if its just "play dialogue" > "play mini game" > "play dialogue" > "play mini game" > "play dialogue" > "play mini game", it shouldn't be hard

[naive walrus]

If they don’t reuse each other’s code and scenes are loosely connected it would work but it’s a collection of different games at this point I guess

[rotund rampart]

this yea

[native chasm]

Ok, that's good to know. So if there isn't much connection between those scenes and if that connection is under control by lead then everything should be fine

[native chasm]

Yea ik, that's kinda the vision I'm having

[rotund rampart]

seriously though, are you planning to hire or work with friends, cause hiring is a whole different issue honestly

spoken from someone that's hired tons of devs in my life haha

[native chasm]

Oh, I'm not really planning to do anything in close future (or at all )

[rotund rampart]

I see, if its a hypothetical you're working towards and you want to study more about it

definitely try to keep making games before getting yourself into managing a team of dev

[signal monolith]

somebody has a time to test one thing in my game?

[native chasm]

I just kinda got that idea of "massive collab" for next nuro game jam stuck in my head and I was hypothesising about how possible that is

[signal monolith]

because I don't know if it's just placebo

somebody needs to check one thing

[rotund rampart]

what to test?

[signal monolith]

I'll upload two builds of my game on itch, just compare how slide jumping feels in both

[rotund rampart]

how massive are you thinking

[native chasm]

In the mentioned message

[rotund rampart]

I'd say its not worth considering tbh

[signal monolith]

So i've added test.zip to my game's page on itchio can somebody compare how slide jumping feels in both?

[rotund rampart]

on it

test compared to?

[naive walrus]

This also could kinda work for a mario party type game maybe like every one makes mini games while small amount of people make a board or I saw someone mentioned wario ware could also work

[signal monolith]

there are two builds in the zip file, compare two to each other

just the "feel" of slide jumping

[rotund rampart]

a massive group in a short amount of time in this context has too many variables though

[signal monolith]

especially chaining them

[rotund rampart]

for example, the art in every game would be different, and the game designs etc would be all over the place

[naive walrus]

True it still would be a nightmare to bundle into one thing

[native chasm]

The idea I've got in my head is like
Get a very lot ppl, writers, coders, artists. Split them in groups.
Someone makes template UI for all dialogues. Also script to transfer options.
Make a big game, kinda like novel with a bunch of choices and minigames on each route and different endings. That way groups can focus on only their parts.
Combine all of this into one.

Kinda similar to your game, actually

[rotund rampart]

the fixed version is more "grounded" and decelerates faster

so the dash momentum doesn't push you as far

[native chasm]

But imagine if each room had its own team working on it and there were a lot of these rooms

[rotund rampart]

in theory it can work, but I don't think it'll be a good game

[native chasm]

Ik it's super unrealistic but just imagine how insanely awesome that could be

[native chasm]

Why not?

[signal monolith]

that's interesting because I haven't changed either

[rotund rampart]

hmm

[signal monolith]

I'll need couple more opinions because different people do inputs for slide jumps in a slightly different way

[naive walrus]

It’s like the animation videos where every other second or so a new artist it looks dope sometimes but watching a movie like that would be tiresome

[signal monolith]

can anybody else test both builds?

[rotund rampart]

too many conflicting design philosophies in each mini game, high chance of many games being repetitive, way too long, wildly different levels of quality

[native chasm]

I'm thinking of like, we have a consistency in visuals for talking part, like dialogue UI (except backgrounds could be drawn by different ppl), while each minigame being unique in some way

[rotund rampart]

for starters, this will produce a HOURS long game, with a high chance of 70% being so so

[native chasm]

As I mentioned, it could have a lot of different routes and endings. So yeah if you want to see 100% it will take a lot, but a single playthrough won't be so long

[native chasm]

I don't think games will be too repetitive? Especially with proper control from the leads

I mean look at how many cool and unique ideas we got this year

[rotund rampart]

this is honestly asking ALOT from whoever is leading this

[native chasm]

The difference in quality is a thing, yeah, but I feel like it's unavoidable with collabs anyway (take any animation collab on YT as example)

[civic fractal]

Somehow I am guessing this is about a mega team

[signal monolith]

than it seems a bit unnecessary, why can't they just be seperate games?

[native chasm]

Ik yeah

[rotund rampart]

this as well

[native chasm]

Could be multiple leads tho

[signal monolith]

unless you planning on giga scamming vedal by making him buy lava lamp for every team member lol

[rotund rampart]

I mean in all honesty, lets look at it this way, if I can make a game that's gonna be better than the mega team's mishmash, I probably wouldn't waste my once a year entry on it

[civic fractal]

I'd prefer stuff being seprate. Stuff like engines and that type of thing as well.

[native chasm]

But if it's a megacollab, we all win and the real prize is friends we make along the way

[signal monolith]

but It could have an opposite effect, if the game is so big, some parts of it can be completely skipped by going different routes, some people might feel completely ignored if no one plays their route

[civic fractal]

I think a megacollab is doomed no matter what one does. Setting everyone up takes the amount of time that the jam has.

[signal monolith]

also it would be really hard to rate

some games would bring down the score, some bring up, it would end up with really mediocre score

[rotund rampart]

if a megacollab is to happen, most of the organization would be preplanned going into the jam for sure

but its just not really worth it imo

[native chasm]

I feel like there will always be someone to play their route. Tell me nobody ever wanted to get all the endings in Henry's Stickman, e.g.

[civic fractal]

Even with many seprate leads, it is a stuggle to cordnate. Only reason our 8 person team worked out so well is because we had a lot of prepwork and we already knew each other well enough.

[rotund rampart]

yea this

[signal monolith]

Also it's hard enough to make your game fit a very broad game jam's theme, It would be even harder if you had to make just one part of a bigger game

[native chasm]

Hmm true

[civic fractal]

It was mainly building around other people's ideas. Granted I had the minor part of doing the main idea of the story and song. I still had to adapt to everyone elses vision of the story.
That whole process is not something a megacollab could pull off.

[native chasm]

Idk, I just feel like a union of many people from community working on a single goal would be a really cool thing to be part of

[void parcel]

they feel identical

[rotund rampart]

the Neurosama game jam is already this

I mean I don't think anybody here is really doing this for a prize, we're just celebrating the birthday of our lord and saviour Neuro Samantha

[native chasm]

Well, everyone's making their own games rather than one unite

[void parcel]

would it help if i recorded with inputs visible?

[signal monolith]

nah, i'll say what I changed

and i'll see if you can notice the difference if ou know what to look out for

[native chasm]

Yea I wasn't doing it for a prize
And tbh if that collab was to happen I would do it for a prize either

[rotund rampart]

yea but by the nature of it, the whole community is coming together to make games for Neuro and donating subs etc, its already a very "everyone together" event

we're supporting each others games, discussing, helping each other etc

[civic fractal]

Counterpoint, the experience of the jam itself is about the same feeling. This mass library of experience I do agree is much broader than just one title.

[native chasm]

But like yk, if we make one game it's kinda closer to thay "swarm uniting for single thing" idea

[rotund rampart]

oh yea, and when dev-ing, alot of us were just hanging out here sharing our dev process and hanging out too

[rotund rampart]

you'll probably need Vedal's level of influence to get this to work haha

[civic fractal]

I didn't get that as much this year, but I was on a team this year and solo the previous.

so there is some bias from year to year

[rotund rampart]

I still dropped by to see what people are up to and contribute where I can haha

[native chasm]

So like... Do I need to set a new WR of hypetrain?

That isn't happening anytime soon or ever

[signal monolith]

basically, in every version except the "fixed" one there's a bug,
I have a buffer for sliding and jumping in my code, if you press jump before touching the ground, it will wait a while and if you touch the ground right after, it will still do the jump

The same is for sliding, if you press the slide key before touching the ground, and you'll touch the ground after it will slide.

There's a bug if you buffer both jump and slide before touching the ground. Jump has priority so you jump immidietly and don't slide at all.

So basically, the buffer system works against you and makes jump sliding harder.

In the fixed version slide has priority, so if you buffer both, you'll make a frame perfect slide jump.

[rotund rampart]

more like, even if say you had the perfect plan to make the perfect game that incorporates everyone, you're unlikely to get most people

[void parcel]

actually im comparing them right next to eachother now (having both games open and swapping back and forth, rather than one at a time) and im noticing some difference in how easy it is to get up to speed. the unfixed version seems to have more friction/is less consistent with slight taps of dash before jumping

[rotund rampart]

I was spamming, so the flags probably made my movements feel more "grounded"

[rotund rampart]

^ my thoughts too

[signal monolith]

So should I keep the fix and apply it to all future versions?

[civic fractal]

Not even a meta solution like a dimension hopper type thing would work well. It'd require a lot on each person's end to make sure that works out well.

[signal monolith]

Or should I keep it unfixed?

[void parcel]

i see, that makes sense and i can definitely tell

[rotund rampart]

from what I'm understanding, what you fixed DOES affect the "floatiness" of the character and momentum

[void parcel]

i think the fix is a welcome change

[rotund rampart]

I prefer the fixed

[native chasm]

Even if it's not majority but just a massive team I'd be quite happy, cuz next year we can increase the stakes, a year after we can increase it even more, and so on until the whole swarm is working for VadulAI

[signal monolith]

So I'll apply the fix to future versions, I was wondering if I should, because it makes frame perfect slide jumping super easy, but I feel like it's more fun that way

and consistent

and also that's a bug, so I like it fixed

[rotund rampart]

idk about frame perfect slide jumping, but it just feels like I have more control over the character, so I feel like its the right direction(IMO)

[rotund rampart]

I mean you can try, especially if the vision is literally just a collection of games

[void parcel]

i never once got to the boss in sub 15 seconds previously, but on my second run with this fix i was able to

because prioritizing slide makes it much easier to get precise timings

although i will say this fix does reduce the skill required slightly, since you can just press both keys at once now without worrying too much about exact timing

[signal monolith]

I think it's for the best anyway

[void parcel]

agreed

[native chasm]

Yk what would work perfectly even with different styles? A game about neuro playing game jam submissions
But the chance that it will fall perfectly into the theme is quite low

[native chasm]

(just need to add some heartwarming plot so people fall in love with it)

[rotund rampart]

I mean if you're working on a project like this, going off theme wouldn't really be that big of an issue in the first place, for starters, the game is probably already getting a 1 in Visual(All over the place with no consistency), and Audio(too many empty patches with no sound), getting 1 in theme as well wouldn't matter, in the end your goal is kinda just to have a functioning game made by a huge team

[native chasm]

Why would it get 1 for visual and audio??

[rotund rampart]

1 in Visual(All over the place with no consistency), and Audio(too many empty patches with no sound)

[native chasm]

I don't think different styles is a 1?

[rotund rampart]

some of those styles are gonna be ugly (just being frank)

and they would be very jarring to be placed together

[native chasm]

And about "too many patches without sound" is kinda pessimistic, don't you think? I feel like that just depends on management

[rotund rampart]

its realistic, look at how many games tht have no sound at all in this jam and previous jam

[native chasm]

So if you rate this gamejam as achievement of Neurosama community as whole, do you think this gamejam deserves a rating of 1 for having some games with bad visuals?

[rotund rampart]

no because, you can have a good consistent visual style even if it looks bad, and that doesn't negatively impact the player experience, in which case that would be a 3

[native chasm]

It just depends on how it's managed. I mean you could have a couple of audio artists make OSTs for all situations across the game (at the very least use music from other sources, like Evil's Malice did)

[civic fractal]

Your saying it is "some games" as if it isn't all supposed to be rated together in the end. I do agree because that is realistically what would happen based off of the current data of the last two jams.

[rotund rampart]

Well I guess that's true, you can have like a general music going about, so maybe a 2/3? Definitely won't be higher though

[native chasm]

Also about visuals, if you base your opinion on this and previous game jams, do you think of games that were made by one person and therefore have worse visuals than ones made in team with artists doing art?

[rotund rampart]

no because, you can have a good consistent visual style even if it looks bad, and that doesn't negatively impact the player experience, in which case that would be a 3

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212060
this was made by one person, I rated this pretty high

[native chasm]

It would kinda still be consistent in dialogues, and just minigames have their uniqueness? What's problem with that

[rotund rampart]

but if you're gonna put this game, in the same game as my game, the disconnect is gonna make me put it as a 1-2, because there's no proper art direction, and this is using my own art as example

[civic fractal]

The issue is mainly the fact that some parts are just going to be bad no matter how well everyone is split. It is partly why I worked with a team to fix those issues this year.

[rotund rampart]

it isn't a "problem" per se, its just gonna be messy and uncanny

[native chasm]

So... Just because a few apples are rotten you're going to burn down the whole garden, am I getting that right?

[rotund rampart]

for context, I gave this game a 4/5 for visual cause the art direction is great, and they made good used of lighting

[rotund rampart]

there's no few apples, if you make a mega team, its one apple

[signal monolith]

yeah, I loved that the past was in a style of gameboy, while modern had dynamic lighting

[rotund rampart]

rightt

[native chasm]

I haven't played it so idk what u r talking about, sorry

[civic fractal]

The apple will have a lot of rotten parts. I'd see a rotten apple, plain and simple.

[rotund rampart]

I mean I applaud the idea, and I support going forward with it if you want to do it

but in the end its judged as one game, not a collection of many

[native chasm]

It has too many things going on there to just call it a single apple

[civic fractal]

I'd also be interested, but there is no chance I'd ever consider joining that team.

[rotund rampart]

but it is, cause its just one game, I'm not gonna be able to split my rating

its like, if someone used dots in their mini game, and another mini game has perfect art, am I supposed to give it a good score

[signal monolith]

completely random example: If the game is cool, and it consists of pacman levels that get harder each time but at the end you have to wait for five minutes while to game earrapes you
I'm still gonna give it 1/5 for fun
Because that last part makes me regret ever booting it up

completely random btw

[civic fractal]

*MS paint type art with very bad graphics

[rotund rampart]

and I'm gonna be realistic, if someone used MS paint type art with very bad graphics, but they keep it consistent in one game, it can still be charming

[native chasm]

So was I supposed to rate this 2★ for so different styles going on?

[signal monolith]

pizza tower looks great because of it's smooth animations even if the artstyle is very ms paint like

[rotund rampart]

you can

[native chasm]

Like it's not even close same colors

[rotund rampart]

you have as much right to vote my game as a 2* as I have to vote any other game 1* in art y'know

[native chasm]

Well I can't, rating period ended a while ago. But do you think that's a fair rating?

[rotund rampart]

really not in my hands, and I'm sure there are 1-2* ratings in my visuals

[civic fractal]

In our case we have 3d and 2d sections. Both work well by themselves. But if they were to be intergrated with no thought at all. Then I would have rated our game a 2 in art.

[native chasm]

How would you rate it tho, 1-2?

[rotund rampart]

nah, there are clear segments with different art styles

[civic fractal]

I'd go 3-4 due to the intent on diffrences in the art.

[native chasm]

But it's different art styles

[civic fractal]

I would share mine but I'm out

[signal monolith]

I'm sorry, but are trying to miss the point on purpose?

[native chasm]

Wdym?

[civic fractal]

-# If someone has to ask that, I'd recommend stepping back instead of doubling down.

[winged jay]

I'd give 3-5 if the whole point of the game is going to different time periods

[rotund rampart]

we're not talking about

Minigame A = one art style
Minigame B = one art style
Minigame C = one art style

its standard, the overworld is an entirely different segment of the game that has no connections with the visual novel component or the mini games component, there is SOME overlap, but it doesn't cause any discomfort.

There is one style for dialogue, a similar style in minigames, and the explorations is done in a different style.

Its definitely not a 5/5, so 3-4 would be my rating

[signal monolith]

The point is:
Even if the artstyle is not that good, it would look better if it's consistent
The same applies to good artstyle, if it's inconsistent it looks worse

[rotund rampart]

when we're talking about jarring differences

we're talking about differences that physically affect your experience to enjoy a game

[signal monolith]

If the game is made by many different people, the artstyle will be inconsistent

So it will look worse, then if those are seperate

[native chasm]

There would be consistency in main part of the game

[rotund rampart]

doesn't matter, all it takes is one portion to make someone want to stop

[signal monolith]

One really shitty level can make a person ragequit

[native chasm]

If you let a single moment screw your whole opinion, I'm sorry, but your opinion is absolutely worthless

[signal monolith]

I don't think it is

[civic fractal]

Every opinion is valid, it shows varying views of your game. Not just the ones that support your case.

No one buys something with all 5 star reviews, that is called a scam item

[rotund rampart]

Okay in your opinion, how should it be rated then

[native chasm]

If you can't look back and try to have an unbiased opinion about thing as a whole rather than your last 1 minute of gameplay, then I feel like random number generator would rate more fairly. Personally I tried to always take a step back and ask myself, "was it really that good/bad?"

Think of all the moments that I liked/disliked, in some cases I came back to see if I was remembering it correctly or my last opinion affected my overall opinion

[rotund rampart]

you're looking too deep into "1 game dragging the whole thing down", 1 game is an example we are using, in truth, there's gonna be more than 1 segment in the current proposed structure of the mega team to have that

and "1 minute of gameplay", while in our examples, its probably gonna last like 15 minutes

that's the average length of a game made by a team in the jam

any segment you're gonna have, its gonna be 15 minutes more or less

[native chasm]

I think it depends a lot on lead and management, if everyone don't understand what they have to do or if someone doesn't do what they have to do, then obviously result will be quite bad

[native chasm]

I think less cuz with that team you won't really have all 3 days

[rotund rampart]

I mean I'm looking at the proposed structure here, if I were to propose a different structure to how this "mega team" would operate, my opinion of the success rate would be much higher.

Also, you're not gonna just magically have leaders who can operate this run the team y'know

[civic fractal]

With that insane team size, you'll only have a day max trying to get everyone on the same page.

[native chasm]

What's your structure?

[rotund rampart]

there's probably less than 10 teams that have more than 5 members in this jam

[civic fractal]

One of the said members is me

[rotund rampart]

yea, and I can tell you, handling a team of 5+ is already a pain

[civic fractal]

Due our team knowing each other well. Everyone had local authority with our two leaders as a check.

That does not scale at all

[rotund rampart]

well for starters, it'd be one actual product, and there'd probably be at least a month of work in creating documentation for art direction guidelines, practice sessions beforehand, and coding documentation on how interfaces will be segmented and how devs can use those interfaces to implement what they want. Each team will also be trained on how to expose endpoints for sound to operate. Teams must agree to have 1 representative to make the planning decisions on day 1.

Day 1 will entirely be comprised of planning and the lead programmer will probably have to stay up the whole night implementing the interfaces.

Day 2 will be full production

Day 3 will be the deadline to "cut off deadweight" and combining everything possible. (The core mechanics will be implemented by trusted teams)

[civic fractal]

The multigame engine would have to be developed in advance in order to slot every person in. Even so, the theme might require extra interfaces. (At this point, the multigame capabitity would just be generalized to allow working on it before the jam starts)

[rotund rampart]

also gotta account for the lead dev to be one hell of a dev, and the only reason I believe my structure has any chance of success is cause I'd be the one doing that part without sleep

and even then, I'd say the success rate of a good product would be pretty low

[civic fractal]

Day 1's interface dev can be moved if you release as a template before the jam. (something your likely doing anyways for all of the prepwork needed)

[proud smelt]

Thanks! 😄

[rotund rampart]

ayyy, she loved the game

[proud smelt]

Ill watch the Vod for sure! 😄

[rotund rampart]

there's probably some custom things that needs to be done depending on theme, and what the idea gets decided is on

but tbh, with a size like that, we're probably looking at something huge, so the choices are pretty much narrowed down already

[civic fractal]

Yeah, but at least it is not all of them. Some basics would always exist for some teams to base on early. Planning for game topic on the other hand...

[rotund rampart]

yea that's gonna be chaotic haha

[rotund rampart]

true

if the prep is done right, and planning can be decided asap, production can probably start on the second half of day 1

[civic fractal]

Agreed with that, odds are movement would be predefined as well so day 3 won't have killer bugs.

Playtesting which wasn't accounted for, will be a cluster.

[rotund rampart]

I'm pretty sure there will be a dedicated playtesting team that will be going rounds playing individual parts

for an operation of this size, that's an actual role to fill

[civic fractal]

They will be slammed on days 2 and 3

day 1, they sleep

[rotund rampart]

honestly, if a game is made successfully under these conditions, it would be super impressive haha

but at the end of the day, I don't think its possible, just theoretical

[civic fractal]

It does require a lot of luck, too many things to go just right.

[rotund rampart]

yea and also the people that can make this successful would probably already have plans of their own

[civic fractal]

(If you send in a zip for your changes, you are getting executed)

[rotund rampart]

like I more or less already have in mind what moving parts needs to be prepared for my entry in Neuro Game Jam 3, and I think alot of people here kinda already know what they wanna do in the next jam (who to collaborate with or what kind of product they wanna make)

[civic fractal]

Yeah I already have a teamate in mind for next jam. jam plz

This next year, I want to actually be able to help with engine stuff.

[rotund rampart]

yea that sounds fun, I'm planning to attach a online DB to whatever game design I'm making next, so it can track data serverwide and have interactions with anyone in neurocord

[civic fractal]

twitch chat support goes hard as well

[rotund rampart]

that sounds like an idea, but then if vedal plays, its gonna be 20k minimum chatters

[civic fractal]

I'd do something like clustertruck with the twitch API

[rotund rampart]

Working in a smaller team allows us to explore this kind of stuff as well

but yea if anyone wants to make a mega team just to have a game with a huge chunk of people working on it, I would definitely like to see that and it'd be an overall net positive

[civic fractal]

If I am in a large team, I can't make ideas no one agrees with

[lament ermine]

We could do an experimental 1 day jam just to see what would happen with the giga team

And then see if it's possible or what the meta is to make it work

The idea is so silly even trying would be fun

[rotund rampart]

hahaha

the first step is to decide on an engine

I think that step alone already alienates a huge part of the potential giga team

[lament ermine]

I think the vast majority of devs should be making content

Like levels, dialogue, etc

Only a small team makes the mechanics

This team has to be fast

[proud smelt]

If i had to make a game in 1 day i would make a Tamagotchi 😛

[void parcel]

i would attempt to make pong.. and ultimately fail no doubt

[signal monolith]

Antiplug
I've actually made a game in a day before. It's on my Itch. It's not good. And in 🇵🇱 💀 💀 💀

[hasty drift]

pluggers in this channel went really quiet after the new Crazy Robot Body update hit ngl

[atomic stream]

i just realized i never commit the last changes to my game

so my codeberg was out of date this whole time

whoops

well fixed now

i had a heart attack when i went to work on an update from my laptop instead of pc and all my changes weren't there after a pull 😭

[civic fractal]

[atomic stream]

LMAO

[misty tree]

quick everyone we can save the jam if we all change our names to Alex

[pale iron]

Itch is down for me

[civic fractal]

Classic Itch

[waxen wasp]

Morning, ratings still ?

[fringe star]

nothing still

[waxen wasp]

Atleast layna will play on sunday

[dry yacht]

I never stood a chance competitively, but one of the most popular devs commented on my game day 1, so that's pretty cool

[hazy totem]

the gamejam is for learning new things and having fun, never was competitive

[dry yacht]

That's 100% how I approached it. I never expected or wanted to "win". I just saw it as a fun way to engage with the community.

My only regret was not making it more accessible or advertising it more. I just made something I thought the community would enjoy, but, as another commenter mentioned, it's not a "gamey" game, so it's easy to overlook. I'm just glad that the people who played it seemed to enjoy it.

[hazy totem]

I mean beating Vedal’s Secret is a huge ask

[misty tree]

might be the first time i hope my game doesnt get played then LOL

[dry yacht]

You mean "Remnants of Vedal's Coding Ability"?

[misty tree]

i feel like itd be so embarassing if my game gets played by a person whos in the game and basically her only line is "theres no time to make my content so move along"

[hazy totem]

I forgur the name so idk

[civic fractal]

I can hope

[fringe star]

is yours neuro's dressup game?

[dry yacht]

I wish. That crushed it.

[fringe star]

which one was yours?

[dry yacht]

Mine was the...text adventure. https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211748

It's a game masquerading as a story masquerading as a game.

[fringe star]

Oh this is neat, not my cup of tea (cant read that well, not native) but i think this is really nice

[dry yacht]

Yeah, I'm an English-language author, so it's really only intended for an English audience. But thank you for the kind words.

[fringe star]

itch is dead again?

[native chasm]

I feel like we're on a bit different pages with "working together for a single thing". Like, you say that you wouldn't join if you could do a better game by yourself, but why does it matter if you can make a better game if it's about more process rather than prize? maybe the real 5★ are friends we get along the way
You can't disagree that with developing such game, you'd still have way more interaction between people in this team than if those were different teams.
You say that it depends a lot on just luck, and while it is true, I think it depends more on everyone's passion and will to do such an incredible task together. Yes, it is probable to fail, so what, it's not worth trying now, why? And what if it succeeds, imagine how awesome that would be.

Also "it would require a lot of prep", we have a whole year to think about it rn. And yeah, it's just theoretical, at least for now.

[warm gale]

I haven't finished it, how did you add it

[past meadow]

Idk, ask Aimi or Taller

[waxen trail]

Yes, it is probable to fail, so what, it's not worth trying now, why? And what if it succeeds, imagine how awesome that would be.
Motto of my life (I've failed at everything )

Though yeah everything you do might fail, that doesn't mean it's not worth doing. But Kats is right when they say it's always better to have a plan

[waxen trail]

https://tenor.com/bMa7s.gif

[native chasm]

I wouldn't say so, you made pretty good games for both neuro jams

Btw what was previous jam theme?

[waxen trail]

I mean like - outside of that. But maybe success and failure is all perception too, and sometimes things can switch from one to the other in the blink of an eye

Last jam the theme was "lost and found"!

So we had a lot of games about finding lost items

[native chasm]

I wasn't talking about not having a plan

[native chasm]

Funny how this year we still had pretty similar concepts about finding remnants of the past

[waxen trail]

True I kinda think this year's theme was tougher though haha

Also lots of games about memories and/or time travel mechanics

[native chasm]

Mine just had some ghosts from the past

I wish I could make cutscenes in time

[waxen trail]

True, just agreeing with Kat's perspective! You're also right about passion being a factor. Though in my experience you need something to bond people together for longer projects, like being friends or family from before the project or payment or something

[waxen trail]

Same, I always want to add cutscenes lmao

But usually compromise for something simpler

[native chasm]

I just needed to explain plot lmao

[waxen trail]

Real

[native chasm]

It's literally just black screen with some text in the end of the game

[native chasm]

Considering the fact that we're talking about mega collaboration for next gamejam, I don't think think it's quite a "longer" project
I mean yeah we'd need a lot of preparations but the project itself won't take much to make

Cuz there won't be much time anyway

[waxen trail]

Oh sorry I thought you meant the VN with minigames you mentioned. Or are these the same thing

[fringe star]

welcome to the tutorial of the second campaign

[waxen wasp]

Is the audio intentional?

[fringe star]

nope, i was listening to kazuma and aqua banter

the objective is to bring neuro to the white tile above, i was wondering if this mission looks a bit too much

[lethal egret]

Wait... How on earth did you made such quality game on heckin scratch?

[fringe star]

teehee, dunno

[royal jewel]

It's quite a powerful engine if you know how to use it
Most just don't know how to fully use it

[lethal egret]

I see... really doesn't feel like it.
Also... the last time i saw scratch was like.. way many years ago so... I can see the argument that it got improved.

[fringe star]

i still find it funny and motivating to find people either suddenly remember or realize this was made in scratch

[past meadow]

@signal monolith I found a way to cheese the timer, you can press R during level load, it resets the timer

[winter aurora]

next troubleshooting update

[native chasm]

Well yea, that's one thing

[native chasm]

R% speedrun?

[waxen trail]

https://tenor.com/bE2CF.gif

Itch.io is Schrodinger's site

Whether it's up or not depends on whether you check

[waxen trail]

Pog hyped to see the new characters

[winter aurora]

new characters

(we plan to add some but I'm a dev not a artist or writer so I can only improve QoL & add some feature currently)

[tacit wasp]

Just make the art of a character yourself and claim the artstyle difference is a consequence of Neuro's influence

[winter aurora]

sure ! (peak of my art bellow btw)

[tacit wasp]

Hell yeah

[quick badger]

still no news on the state of the gamejam?

[waxen trail]

Can't see any new messages from Alex about it

Abandoned gamejam

Itch has forsaken us

[tardy geyser]

maybe they're still on vacation

[proud smelt]

Wanna be sure of what happened.
Did Alex end the rating early?
Or did itch.io went down as the rating was happening?

[waxen trail]

#2024-game-jam message This is what happened (Those 13 games also have incorrect votes apparently, but it can be fixed if someone did a re-calculation. Looking at you Itch.io staff!!)

[tame rapids]

he clicked something too early

and there is no option to do it again

[waxen trail]

We just need Itch.io support to come through for us and calculate it again

Surely it's not that complicated

[winter aurora]

just rm -rf the calculated data

[tacit wasp]

Next thing you know, the whole game jam is erased

[waxen trail]

Which game jam

[tacit wasp]

There was a game jam?

[waxen trail]

[quick badger]

filtered

[signal monolith]

Bruh

[tame rapids]

yeah, there wasn't any game jam, why are we even on this channel, mods should just archive it already

[lament ermine]

did that damn whale eat something again

[past meadow]

idk, Rem is still here

[native chasm]

who's Rem?

[past meadow]

It's Gluttony's fault we don't have game-jam results

[native chasm]

so do we fight Gabriel now or what

[past meadow]

Guess we wait until february for Subaru to defeat him

[native chasm]

I bet Neuro would do that faster anyway so why do we need Subaru

[past meadow]

ALEX ALREADY DEFEATED GLUTTONY

[native chasm]

btw have Neuro played ULTRAKILL yet?

[waxen wasp]

Have you ever seen alex and glutony in the same room? Dont think so

Alex is gluttony

[signal basalt]

she wouldn't be able to beat 0-1 even with a year of training

[native chasm]

Nah, creature of steel playing as creature of steel, she's gonna have a crazy synergy with V1 and unlock abilities never seen before by this world

[signal basalt]

true...

I've kinda wanted to get into ai because I've had some ideas for making one that could play ultrakill, I just never had the time

[proud smelt]

Which one is it?
Did Alex stop the rating early or the site crash and stopped the rating?

[native chasm]

kinda same, tho I'd like to make one that could play Minecraft like, yk, not a cheater

[waxen trail]

Alex stopping the rating from what I understand

[proud smelt]

Roger!

[native chasm]

without all of that x-raying, placing blocks through blocks, attacking entities through walls, etc.

[waxen trail]

Site crashing was what happened last year, so we got our results late back then too lmao

Not this late though - but it is what it is and hopefully itch.io figure this out

[proud smelt]

Should we just wait then?

[waxen trail]

Yeah I guess, unless there's a better option. Alex said we're waiting for itch to fix their stuff so I assume they replied to his communications and that it'll happen eventually. But who knows

[native chasm]

Neuro talks about how we will fight IRS

[hasty drift]

she surely has not liking taxes from her father

[signal monolith]

morning? news

results update

wow

thx itchio

very cool

[hasty drift]

time to get the pitchforks

[tacit wasp]

They're probably already struggling trying to stop the website from crashing every day

[waxen trail]

I'm this close chat

xdddd

[buoyant flower]

I'd like to believe that they are already aware and working on it

[waxen trail]

(Not sending this for the record)

Yeah I'd like to believe that too 😔 though I guess it's tough for us to know anything for sure

[slate mist]

so bascially why this happned?

[umbral adder]

You have unlocked new role

[waxen trail]

You have unlocked new role

[buoyant flower]

You have unlocked new role

[slate mist]

what-

[buoyant flower]

Alex pressed button early, button calculates results.

[waxen trail]

Yeah

[buoyant flower]

Pressing button stops results from calculating later.

[waxen trail]

Only 13 games got calculated (and they got calculated wrong lmao)

So we need itch.io to recalculate it

Amen

[slate mist]

sounds painful

[hasty drift]

need to go full karen mode. our game host mod wrote a ticket a WEEK ago and got no reply!!!!111 How DARE you treat the community with the biggest twitch hype train like this!!!! we got THOUSANDS of people waiting for the result!!!!111
(dont send that)

[waxen trail]

xDDDDDDDD

[tame rapids]

[your name]

[waxen trail]

We'll send your address to the funko pop agents to take down your website again if you don't comply with our demands!!

[hasty drift]

lmao that was wild

[waxen trail]

Screw this man Neurojam 3 is happening on Steam

Okok I'm done with this bit lmao

Sorry

[lethal egret]

Heckeluya! That was an insane fight! Jesust! I really love this game.

[hasty drift]

yea I would rly like the results to take a look where i ended up so i can close that chapter and move on

[cunning inlet]

itch really be taking their sweet time to recalculate results

not even a single update either

[native chasm]

Waiting... game jam results, when you come out I'll be waiting... Even if you're the last thing I see I'll be waiting, waiting, waiting...

[fringe star]

LFGOOOOO

[waxen trail]

Same, I need the closure more than the actual result

[proud smelt]

Still dont know why is that a thing 😛
Like, what is the point?

[hasty drift]

if a feature can brick your whole jam, it shouldnt be a feature

[tacit wasp]

Yeah it's a weird feature
It would make sense if it serves as a thing that stop the voting phase early but it clearly didn't

[timber harness]

It's not even listed on the itch support page for hosting a game jam, as far as I can tell?

[buoyant flower]

In any case, Alex found a fun issue.

Not so fun for us, however, as it has bricked the jam results

[rotund rampart]

Same

[waxen trail]

Ok I kinda need the actual results too xdd but I'm patient

[tepid cove]

guess we have to do another one

[fleet goblet]

It's not a feature per say

[fleet goblet]

I never said I pressed any buttons

[tacit wasp]

Ah? I may have assumed wrong

[native chasm]

What have u done then?

gonna play game jam submissions today after the long drive

[warm gale]

he clicked it

[hasty drift]

or continues scribblenauts

[native chasm]

touching SUS buttons never ends up well...

[winter aurora]

troubleshooting is a perfect game totaly not held by hopes and dream

[hasty drift]

good song

[timber harness]

Obviously it won't solve the issue any faster, but I think a lot of us are just curious about what exactly went wrong. I can't help myself from speculating about the cause, but I don't want to spread any misinformation so I'll keep those theories to myself until we get an actual explanation.

[native chasm]

why did u have to start asriel fight in my head

[winter aurora]

cause undertale live rent free in my head

[tacit wasp]

Based

[fringe star]

Based

[fringe star]

evil is broken, this is turn zero

26 kills, 0 deaths

[sour horizon]

I've been doing some experiments

[unreal plinth]

Got my post-jam polish update wrapped up finally!
Gameplay should be essentially the same, but with less lag, some better visual feedback for the player, and smoother movement.
Under the hood I rewrote like half the code for optimization and better base architecture

[signal monolith]

🇵🇱

[unreal plinth]

Now just gotta build the last couple of features I wanted with the new architecture, then Neuro SDK

[lethal egret]

Called it. Evil is a menace. There's just way too many sacrifices for her.

[native chasm]

Evil's Menace is a nice game

[waxen trail]

Evil's *Malice mentioned gud game

[lethal egret]

Wait. Is that a game jam game?

[misty tree]

no results coming up by that name

might be a joke?

[void parcel]

they might have meant evil's malice

[fringe star]

Dunno, i think it was supposed to be Evil's Malice

[waxen trail]

Yeah meant Evil's Malice

Too tired lmao

[lethal egret]

Gonna try that game right now. I stopped playing other game jam games, but i will check that one.

[fringe star]

Sleep

[waxen trail]

Yes

[signal monolith]

See what I found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmoFvtBBDJw

[void parcel]

just finished watching it myself i hope they collab again it was so fun

[signal monolith]

I've seen it live, lol

it was super cool

[native chasm]

oh right, my bad
my memory and english are betraying me sometimes

[native chasm]

why sleep when family ride stream is an option

[void parcel]

sleeping in the back seat rp

[lethal egret]

You cannot stay awake till 4am GMT

[fringe star]

bet

[native chasm]

Bro I've literally stayed awake for whole night just to be on the EPIC stream to listen to the songs as they release.

4 AM is fine

[lethal egret]

just... take care of yourself. (I cannot stay awake at 5AM. It's way too late for me)

[native chasm]

I usually go sleep around 2-3 AM (for me), sometimes later, sometimes earlier

Quite rare but sometimes no sleep at all xd

Mostly it just depends on how much I want to stay awake for

[rotund rampart]

Nihao minnasan

[placid salmon]

Hello everyone

[fleet goblet]

ITCH FIXED IT

[tardy geyser]

[fleet goblet]

jam results are now ready

[hasty drift]

[fleet goblet]

probably gonna wait for vedal to be ready to show it on stream?

[placid salmon]

Evil should announce the winners

[fleet goblet]

you guys will not believe who won

[hasty drift]

tutel rancher

[fringe star]

[placid salmon]

Vedal's secret

[winged jay]

Vedal's Secret?

[fringe star]

i think, troubleshooting

[tacit wasp]

[void parcel]

TUTEL RANCHER LFG!!!!!!

i actually wouldnt be surprised if it got a lot of high votes as a joke lmao

[native chasm]

So she can say her name and roast Neuro and they start fighting again?

[fringe star]

are the winners out or is it ready to be announced?

[hasty drift]

alex can pull the trigger but maybe wants to wait and see if vedal wants to do it on stream

[past meadow]

[past meadow]

Did you inform Vedal that it's fixed? He seems to want to play scribblenauts instead of gamejam today

[fleet goblet]

did vedal know that the results were broken?

[past meadow]

Good point

[hasty drift]

Game jam?

[signal monolith]

bruh, vedal moment

[earnest wind]

Vedal: "gamejam? never heard of it"

[hasty drift]

The game jam itself is for him a remnant of the past already

[tardy geyser]

title, roll credits

[misty tree]

yooooo

fixed?

[tacit wasp]

Yeah, now we're waiting for Vedal to remember he organized a game jam

[charred hamlet]

and then he forgot the game jam ever happened

[hasty drift]

scribblenauts time

[misty tree]

in the most shocking of twists, alex has won with a perfect rating of 5 in all categories and 6 in creativity

[past meadow]

Vedal's secret 🥇 10/5 in all categories

[quick badger]

yipeeeeeeee

[unreal plinth]

[misty tree]

finished making boss fight for my game btw, now i just need to figure out what id even make for laynas room

[void parcel]

i decided to give this a shot again and idk, its so close but im still not sure if its actually possible (see last attempt in video)

[past meadow]

How are you getting such a consistent start on the second level

[void parcel]

a lot of practice

im also on the fixed.exe version in test.zip so slide jumping is much easier

[past meadow]

I always choke on the first or second jump, and loose all the speed

[past meadow]

[fringe star]

I can hear the surprise and frustration one that last second

[winter aurora]

wait, did rating count got down from 4930 to 4904

[fringe star]

yeah i just noticed

[sour horizon]

and the entries from 278 to 277

[hasty drift]

either a game got nuked or someone removed their game from the jam

[fringe star]

maybe

[proud pike]

The rating was open while they fixed the issue, maybe they disqualified the ratings that were made while it was fixed

[winter aurora]

nah, it was 4925 before rating was reopen for fixing (only 5 got rated)

[tacit wasp]

Maybe the ratings made by the submitter of the removed entry got removed too?

[winter aurora]

I would guess that

[jovial salmon]

out of curiosity does anyone know what the song used in Vedal's gamejam game (Remnants of Vedal's Coding Ability) is? its really catchy :3

[royal jewel]

Probably something custom PB made

[hasty drift]

Vedal needs a manager for stream content and schedules

[jovial salmon]

makes sense

[native chasm]

So what are we waiting for? Vedal to not abandon this gamejam?

[earnest wind]

Alex said he's waiting for Vedal to announce the results, but I'm pretty sure Vedal completely forgot about the gamejam

[hasty drift]

from what ive seen, vedal said he has stuff not set up to play game jam games that is why he does not do it today. revealing the winners, did not say anything to even though it was mentioned in chat few times

[native chasm]

Well he said today on stream he might play it after the long ride

[earnest wind]

well he played scribble nuts instead and now he's drawing 😅 I think its fair to say he just forgot

[native chasm]

Like before spinning the -4 wheel and telling us we won't have a subathon for eliv

[native chasm]

Next day ig

[earnest wind]

Surely

[native chasm]

I'll stay~
Away~
From games~
Y'all made~

[earnest wind]

I blame the turtle rancher game

[tacit wasp]

Dude, the timing of Chinatown Blues starting at that exact moment on stream

[native chasm]

It's all Vadul's fault

[native chasm]

The fact that I'm not even on stream rn

[native chasm]

saying about 2-3 AM
It's 4:09 AM rn

[tacit wasp]

At some point during the stream, said "I'm gonna take a walk until content ideas strike my brain"
The 280 games in the corner:

[tacit wasp]

Oh damn it's already 3:09am here

[native chasm]

Let's be honest though, some games (mine) aren't a content cuz some people (me) are too bad at this

[tacit wasp]

I don't think so, your game could work
Of course not the same way Abandonned Pub works but it could make content for a little while
If Vedal rages at your game, that's also content

[native chasm]

So it's not really 278 but maybe about 270 ig

[native chasm]

Not as good as vadulf×koko though

[tacit wasp]

Well we saw how that went
It made content but it kinda ended the game immediately lmao

[native chasm]

It was fun and that's what matters

Especially it was fun for koko

[native chasm]

Like if rage quit wouldn't end it immediately either

[void parcel]

I FUCKING GOT IT. AFTER 3 GRUELING HOURS

unfortunately i was just casually doing it while watching vedal draw so i wasnt recording

[signal monolith]

I drew this while vedal was drawing to try If I can
(I cant draw for shit)

[hasty drift]

crazy robot body DLC looking great

[native chasm]

True lmao

[proud smelt]

So the rating was fixed but vedal has to announce em?

[hasty drift]

its fixed, one only needs to publish em ye

[earnest wind]

#2024-game-jam message

[proud smelt]

Nice!
Its weird that he doesnt announce it
Given that he is fighting for his life looking for content 😛

[earnest wind]

He just forgot

[hasty drift]

he said on stream he has no setup yet to play the games