2024-game-jam

[rotund rampart]

yes

[waxen wasp]

uuuuhhhh

[tacit wasp]

It builds on the consoles?

[rotund rampart]

HAHHA

[waxen wasp]

guys, we all know python is the best language for game-dev.
i mean im using it and im great, so python is great too

[rotund rampart]

its basically just an update of the discontinued XNA framework

[tacit wasp]

Without ever having used it before, I would say: you probably won't end up with a HUGE game like when you use a normal engine

[tacit wasp]

Also never heard of it

[rotund rampart]

basically, you'll have to make your own ECS and all

its not really a better solution, I'm just saying shit to get a discussion starting haha

[tacit wasp]

Isn't that a given with frameworks? I also had to do that with LÖVE2D

[waxen wasp]

if you do everything yourself you will never have issues with it cuz you know how it works

until you forget how you made it

[rotund rampart]

documentation

[tacit wasp]

Jokes on you, I can barely read my code after a few weeks

[rotund rampart]

these days documentation can be done so easily though

did you know if you copy paste your code into chat gpt and say, document this, it can be pretty accurate

[tacit wasp]

People make documentations for their own code?

[waxen wasp]

hmmm, interesting

[tacit wasp]

I would expect comments but not full documentations

Unless we're really still on the concept of making your engine with a framework

In that case, fair

[rotund rampart]

public class CustomGrid<T> : ICustomGrid<T>
{
    private readonly T[,] grid;

    public int Width { get; }
    public int Height { get; }

    public CustomGrid(int width, int height)
    {
        Width = width;
        Height = height;
        grid = new T[width, height];
    }

    public T GetValue(int x, int y)
    {
        if (!IsInBounds(x, y))
        {
            throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException($"Position ({x}, {y}) is out of bounds.");
        }
        return grid[x, y];
    }

    public void SetValue(int x, int y, T value)
    {
        if (!IsInBounds(x, y))
        {
            throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException($"Position ({x}, {y}) is out of bounds.");
        }
        grid[x, y] = value;
    }

    public bool IsInBounds(int x, int y)
    {
        return x >= 0 && x < Width && y >= 0 && y < Height;
    }

    public IEnumerable<(int x, int y)> GetAllPositions()
    {
        for (int x = 0; x < Width; x++)
        {
            for (int y = 0; y < Height; y++)
            {
                yield return (x, y);
            }
        }
    }
}

example I throw this into chat gpt

wait its still writing

[waxen wasp]

imo just use variable names that are understandable

[rotund rampart]

/// <summary>
/// Represents a generic 2D grid implementation that allows storing and accessing values of type <typeparamref name="T"/>.
/// </summary>
/// <typeparam name="T">The type of elements to store in the grid.</typeparam>
public class CustomGrid<T> : ICustomGrid<T>
{
    private readonly T[,] grid;

    /// <summary>
    /// Gets the width of the grid (number of columns).
    /// </summary>
    public int Width { get; }

    /// <summary>
    /// Gets the height of the grid (number of rows).
    /// </summary>
    public int Height { get; }

    /// <summary>
    /// Initializes a new instance of the <see cref="CustomGrid{T}"/> class with the specified width and height.
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="width">The width of the grid.</param>
    /// <param name="height">The height of the grid.</param>
    /// <exception cref="ArgumentOutOfRangeException">Thrown when <paramref name="width"/> or <paramref name="height"/> is less than or equal to zero.</exception>
    public CustomGrid(int width, int height)
    {
        if (width <= 0) throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(nameof(width), "Width must be greater than zero.");
        if (height <= 0) throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(nameof(height), "Height must be greater than zero.");

        Width = width;
        Height = height;
        grid = new T[width, height];
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// Gets the value at the specified grid position.
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="x">The x-coordinate (column index).</param>
    /// <param name="y">The y-coordinate (row index).</param>
    /// <returns>The value at the specified position.</returns>
    /// <exception cref="ArgumentOutOfRangeException">Thrown when the position is out of bounds.</exception>
    public T GetValue(int x, int y)
    {
        if (!IsInBounds(x, y))
        {
            throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException($"Position ({x}, {y}) is out of bounds.");
        }
        return grid[x, y];
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// Sets the value at the specified grid position.
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="x">The x-coordinate (column index).</param>
    /// <param name="y">The y-coordinate (row index).</param>
    /// <param name="value">The value to set.</param>
    /// <exception cref="ArgumentOutOfRangeException">Thrown when the position is out of bounds.</exception>
    public void SetValue(int x, int y, T value)
    {
        if (!IsInBounds(x, y))
        {
            throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException($"Position ({x}, {y}) is out of bounds.");
        }
        grid[x, y] = value;
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// Determines whether the specified position is within the bounds of the grid.
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="x">The x-coordinate (column index).</param>
    /// <param name="y">The y-coordinate (row index).</param>
    /// <returns><c>true</c> if the position is within bounds; otherwise, <c>false</c>.</returns>
    public bool IsInBounds(int x, int y)
    {
        return x >= 0 && x < Width && y >= 0 && y < Height;
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// Retrieves all valid positions in the grid as a sequence of (x, y) tuples.
    /// </summary>
    /// <returns>An <see cref="IEnumerable{T}"/> of all positions in the grid.</returns>
    public IEnumerable<(int x, int y)> GetAllPositions()
    {
        for (int x = 0; x < Width; x++)
        {
            for (int y = 0; y < Height; y++)
            {
                yield return (x, y);
            }
        }
    }
}

[tacit wasp]

Ah yeah okay, the documentation IS comments

[rotund rampart]

I mean you can have a separate documentation outside of this, but you wouldn't really do that for smaller projects

[tacit wasp]

I'm gonna be honest and say I probably wouldn't do it for big projects either

[rotund rampart]

when you have to manage a team bigger than 6 programmers, you'll definitely be doing it imho

in fact, a huge chunk before coding is documentation

[tacit wasp]

Probably

[waxen wasp]

just use good variable names and you will never need a lot of comments.
i dont have to explain how this code from our game-jam game works for yall to understand what it does.
it puts the entities in the entitygrid

[tacit wasp]

I would say that I may soon have a college project where we're gonna have big teams but I know damn well we will try to be organized and somehow completely fail

[rotund rampart]

what I notice is that alot of times different people touching a project might not see an "apparent" naming as I think, so I mostly just comment out of practice these days

[rotund rampart]

it'll be fun to see the chaos haha

[tacit wasp]

Fun to see, probably not to go through lmao

[waxen wasp]

the key to being organized in my experience is to put everyone in charge of their own stuff, but make them report their progress every once in a while

[rotund rampart]

honestly though, the most important thing is to comment on the interface level

[waxen wasp]

also, its handy to have 2 leads that are on the same page so progress doesnt halt when you're not available

[tacit wasp]

Though to be fair, we've managed to make a whole game prototype in 2 months during the last summer with a team of 6 programmers, 3-4 artists and 2 business students
There was some difficult moments (merge conflicts, mostly) but between the programmers, it didn't go too bad? I think we were organized well enough on that side
We barely did anything the last week of work because we kinda already had everything we wanted working

[waxen wasp]

nice, nice

having multible programmers can be a pain ye

[rotund rampart]

especially when you just throw them into a room and they've never worked together before

[waxen wasp]

havent really had much issues with that myself since i was the ony one doing programming in our team of 8

[tacit wasp]

Really depends on how well the tasks are handed
I remember on the first day working on something only to realize someone else was already doing it, whoops

[waxen wasp]

when we started the game-jam we quite clearly devided the tasks so everybody knew whart they needed to do
iggly does lyrics
sam does programming
superbox does RVC
etc.....

[tacit wasp]

I generally don't work with others a lot so getting used to a team can be hard for me
But I definitely want to make or be part of a team for the next game jam

Through this game jam and my deltarune fangame, I've noticed it's nice to have other people to work with, especially when they have skills I don't have. Surprising, I know
And I also want have the team sure before the beginning of the game jam, I'm very thankful to the artist who have made the art for Stream of Memories but I wish I had made the team earlier so that it felt like everyone had participated in the pre-making of the game if that makes sense?

Though a part of me also want to just be better at art and music to handle it myself lmao

[waxen wasp]

last year i came into neurocord right before the game-jam strarted and participated

i didnt get a very high score but it was fun and wanted to improve my programming and stay in the server for the community

[rotund rampart]

that happens over time

[waxen wasp]

cuz of that i made friends with the people in #programming and a lot of those became my teammates for this year

[rotund rampart]

draw an hour a day, play an instrument an hour a day

[tacit wasp]

I don't really do the instrument part but I at least draw from time to time

Being bored in class payed off in a way

[lavish escarp]

@tacit wasp don't force yourself to draw fwiw,

Just sketch when you wanna enjoy yourself doing so

[tacit wasp]

I don't, don't worry. I just draw whenever I feel like it
I'm not organized enough to force myself to stick to a schedule anyway

The only time I'm really "forced" is when I make Deltarune fangames as I need to make the pixel art but it's pretty cool too

[royal jewel]

And that's how we ended up with a full on duet original song for our game jam game

[lament ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z3aC-1MGoE someone has to make a game using these weird portals

[waxen wasp]

ive always found the "moving portal problem" so fucking stupid

einstein is FAMOUS for the theory of relativity

the portal moving towards object A is the same as object A moving towards the portal

why do people no understand?

they're all morons

i know this has nothing to do with the video, but i was going insane

[lament ermine]

that does show up in the first portal video he made

[civic fractal]

I've seen every video in this series so far. Another one to watch.

[lament ermine]

[waxen wasp]

aight, imma watch it

[civic fractal]

Man I love the second eps ||ultra cursed 3 way portals||

[frail wharf]

obviously if you slide a portal carefully onto an object the object will be sucked into the portal. if you do it non carefully it may be crushed and also if you stop the portal abruptly the object may be torn in half.

[waxen wasp]

why would it be sucked into the portel?

[frail wharf]

consider the other side, which is a stationary portal. the part of the object emerging from that side doesn’t “know about” the portal, but it has a velocity. so it must be dragging the other side in

if you slow down the moving portal you would notice that the object still wants to pop into the portal

[waxen wasp]

true

[frail wharf]

setting a portal to a velocity is like setting a partition of the whole universe to that velocity so if you do it violently the effective force you put on an object might be a lot

[waxen wasp]

true

that is indeed how it would work, in my headcanon atleast

i kinda want to make a physics engine based around this now, but im busy so cant

[civic fractal]

There is a github where all the code exists at least

[pale iron]

Is there anyone else I am missing?

[fringe star]

maybe bao? i think

or maybe she's already here and im just blind

[pale iron]

I am planning on doing bao next

What would count as being part of the vedalverse?

[fringe star]

goodluck for these are the only that i know of

[last crescent]

Vedal

[pale iron]

Vedal is going to be something else

Or maybe not. Idk yet

[craggy violet]

Alex

I imagine just his shadow avatar

[pale iron]

I have no idea how to make alex in that style but he will have a role in the game

[native chasm]

True, instead of comments or docs just make your code readable lol

Though for big projects it's nice to know which part do what

[native chasm]

Someone has to make a game with non-Neurclidean geometry

[native chasm]

Actually relativity was even in Newton's laws and Galilean invariance, Einstein kinda just upgraded that.

[native chasm]

Just black sprite with white outline

Also no idea if you're missing anything

[native chasm]

I just realized why his videos were so familiar, it's cuz I saw them a long time ago in different language

[naive walrus]

I know some, not necessary non-euclidean: 4d miner its like minecraft but in 4 dimensions, fractal block world its a 3d shooter/exploration game in the fractal world

[clever niche]

i love the thick russian accent

[native chasm]

I meant like in the Neuroverse

[native chasm]

I think his mother language might be russian (these things are like 5 years old on his russian channel)

[clever niche]

yeah it seems like it from the video

there is russian in the screenshots he shows

but his hometown is in kazakhstan

[native chasm]

well the first one is 5 years old and last is 11 month old

[native chasm]

yea but there are many speakers of russians too I think

[clever niche]

kazakhstan is post soviet and allied with russia so there are still lots of russian speakers there

[native chasm]

like it's my first lang too even though I'm not from russia

[clever niche]

first language?

i see

[native chasm]

yeah

[clever niche]

i can only think of a small part of ukraine or belarus that would commonly have russian first language speakers

[native chasm]

not so many ppl know about baltics xd

[naive walrus]

There also some parts in baltic countries that have towns that primarily speak russian

[clever niche]

i thought the entirety of baltics refuses to speak or teach russian?

probably the most russophobic geopolitical area i know

kinda offtopic tho

[native chasm]

I mean u r not that wrong but like there are so many ppl who are native russians that live here for generations

[clever niche]

i remember being in estonia in 2017 and some older people spoke russian there

had to be 40 or over tho

[native chasm]

I'm not 100% sure but I think in eastern part of Latvia amount of native russians is higher than amount of native latvians

like here's graph from Wikipedia that is over 12 years old... Not the best source but ig it kinda works

[clever niche]

woah

crazy

[native chasm]

ikr

probably cuz that part is quite close to the border there

[clever niche]

fair

[severe hornet]

tutel?

[lusty falcon]

What's up with weird Itch.io comments on assets like this?

[civic fractal]

I don't think these are real comments

At least not by humans

[pale iron]

Tutel might be something else

I guess I could make it for fun

[lusty falcon]

Anyone know how I change the property of an existing theme programatically in Godot?

[sour horizon]

In theory, you can modify or replace Control.theme, which is documented here: https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/classes/class_theme.html
In practice, this simply refused to work for me
However, the Control.add_theme_xxxx_override functions worked: https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/classes/class_control.html

[lusty falcon]

thanks

[pale iron]

I did bao, vedal, and alex

[pale iron]

I should do animations for them now

[waxen wasp]

[signal basalt]

Pro tip: Do NOT impatiently upgrade to the new still-in-development Godot beta mid-project

It's all fun and games with the new typed dictionaries and embedded game window until you get a game crash with no errors..

[fringe star]

cya dude

[hoary cargo]

Was wrong channel😭

[fringe star]

[signal monolith]

I would be really careful with unstable godot versions, the newest dev version had completly broken signals after export lol

that made me choose the latest stable version for gamejam

[shy gull]

u guys recommend godot for c++ beginner dev ? to test myself ? i got decent c++ knowledge and im familiar w blender

[signal monolith]

if you are planning on using c++, I would advise against using godot, godot works well with gdscript(python like custom godot scirpting language) and c#, you can use other languages like c++ but they are best used only for things that require high performance

[signal basalt]

the beta release is much more stable than the dev releases, but yes, upgrading any project mid development isn't a good idea lol

[signal basalt]

Godot is built with c++, so even though gdscript is much more high level, you might adapt to it faster than you'd think. Plus you can put your c++ to work and make some high performance plugins

I wouldn't advise against trying something new, but it's definitely not a c++ like experience

[signal monolith]

It's not something I would recommend to a "beginner c++ dev"

[signal basalt]

oh I didn't notice the beginner part lol

[signal monolith]

I think using some graphics api would be better for learning c++, i've used SDL myself

[signal basalt]

still, godot can be very beginner friendly. though if you're just getting familiar with c++ it might not be so smooth

[signal monolith]

I think main programming language in unreal besides schematics is c++

[signal basalt]

Oh is it? Unreal could be a good choice

I wanna try unreal at some point but downloading it on linux is a chore

[signal basalt]

Managed to fix it, it was a simple error index-out-of-bounds I just didn't know what it was since it crashed without erroring 😅

[rotund rampart]

even Unity is built with c++ tbh

afaik, most of the most popular Game Engines being used are built from c++

[signal monolith]

which doesn't mean c++ easy is to use with them

I think unity doesn't support c++ at all, and godot is pretty cumbersome with c++

it's good in unreal I think, but I've never used it, so idk

[tacit wasp]

Yeah Unity doesn't support C++, only C#
And one thing I recently learn about Unreal is that apparently, if you have a crash on the C++ layer, the whole engine crashes

I haven't used C++ in Unreal yet so I can't tell if it's true

[rotund rampart]

this makes alot of sense

[rotund rampart]

never touched unreal in my life, what else does one use if not C++

[tacit wasp]

Blueprint, block based programming

I've been using it for a week and I hate it lmao
I just get lost when there's more than 10 blocks all linked to each other everywhere, feel like you're looking at a colored web

[unreal plinth]

Did some modding in Unreal at one point, hate how you have to put effort into organizing stuff, and then something breaks and you have to look at this nonsense and try to figure out what the hell is happening

[tacit wasp]

Exactly, I can't wait to go on the C++ side
The whole engine might crash every time I miss a semi-colon but at least it will somehow feel easier to look for things

[unreal plinth]

Because it was modding, I couldn't really use the Unreal debugging tools either, so best I could do was stick every variable into a print statement, and then you end up with this...

[tacit wasp]

What the hell

[signal monolith]

I hate the fact every unreal game looks like an unreal game

[lament ermine]

That's a skill issue tbh, one needs to go adjust the post processing and maybe even the shaders for ones needs

Unreal default settings is configured well enough that people don't bother I guess

[waxen wasp]

holy fuck

what in gods name

[lavish escarp]

all unreal devs have skill issue

im with jace on this, people dont fuck with unreal's shaders enough

[waxen wasp]

the unreal engine shaders are honestly not that great

they look good but they're so poorly optimized its insane

nanite brings more bad than good, same with lumen

[lavish escarp]

i always enjoy seeing people somehow make games inexplicably gorgeous on engines really not meant to be pulling it off though

[waxen wasp]

python

the best game engine

we have bling phong lighting

kinda okay collision

[lavish escarp]

ive been meaning to learn python

i see it get so much use

im not entirely sure why its so popular

[waxen wasp]

its easy, its quick, and its free

[lavish escarp]

elaborate

[waxen wasp]

no memory management, making the coding quick

and the syntax is easy

it can easily be slower than compiled programs tho

[waxen wasp]

had to really squeeze to get that 2500fps.
im plannig on making this game engine handle more than 10x the amount of objects drawn in the picture, so it needs the fast

[civic fractal]

not rtx level just yet, hmm

[waxen wasp]

i can probably kinda do raytracing

but pathtracing is most likely not gonna happen

[lavish escarp]

thats fair, i guess im not deep enough into programming to see the value in this yet

[waxen wasp]

the main advantage is you ust dont have to worry about it

its not that difficult to just delete a variable or whatever after you dont need it anymore, for memory usage optimization or whatever.
but for a quick and dirty proof of concept, or you just cant be bothered to do it, its nice

no memory leaks either

"or whatever" twice in the same scentence, i should improve my vocab

[naive walrus]

Yea I think so too I saw an interview with dev doin outsourcing and he said in one company only 2-3 people knew c++ and how to work with it in ue

[lavish escarp]

thats cool

[lavish escarp]

in a company of what size?

[lavish escarp]

i need to study this in general tho, i havent had to focus on optimisation yet

on the backburner, shaders are the goal currently

[waxen wasp]

Im always confused when people talk about shaders

Cuz what im thinking of is openGL shaders

[lavish escarp]

i also dont know anything about that, im kinda just brain empty when it comes to shaders

its so different from anything im used to

[waxen wasp]

What i see being refered to as a shader ussualy i my eyes doesnt look like one

[naive walrus]

I rewatched the moment he didn’t specify the size but he had experience of working on aa and aaa games so somewhere along those ranges

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lavish escarp]

cuz like 2/10 employees are devs/engineers

thats not that bad

2/100

aggressively bad

[naive walrus]

Also just many people with a lot of experience just leave the major companies cos the work conditions arent greatest and going either indie or make their own studios

[proud smelt]

I wonder, Did the top game get the lava lamp? 😮

[naive walrus]

Yea

[lavish escarp]

what was the top game?

was it pub

[naive walrus]

Also i really sad that almost every company now drops their engines and just uses unreal instead

[lavish escarp]

pub was third

[proud smelt]

The timeless artifact was 1st
https://eeeri.itch.io/the-timeless-artifact
Pub was 3rd

[lavish escarp]

i just checked yeah

[fleet goblet]

yes, im pretty sure

[lavish escarp]

i still always think its funny when studios use some engine in a way that makes like

no sense for it

favourite being titanfall 2 running on source

titanfall 2, very nice looking game, big wide outdoor environments

source.

i guess apex legends too but im a titanfall 2 player who is salty apex got all the attention

[naive walrus]

Idk i think source is pretty good for making an fps has a lot of buildin features but more work on graphics also did they made their own lever editor or they used god awful hammer

[lavish escarp]

no i mean for the game mechanics

source makes a lot of sense

graphically

jesus fuck they needed to go hard

its a heavily modified source engine

[naive walrus]

oh i remembered Vampires the masquerade was made in source too and the worst part they were developing along side half life 2 so engine constantly was updated and had bad documentation

[lavish escarp]

im a bit too young for that admittedly

i love seeing how some engines have developed over the years tho

like RV2 - RV3 - Enfusion

[naive walrus]

didnt hear about it 😅

[lavish escarp]

its DayZ

and ArmA

arma 2 i think ran on RV3

actually not rv2

which is where the dayz mod came from

dayz standalone i think was RV3 as well

but moved to enfusion

arma 3 is RV4

and arma reforger is enfusion

enfusion

[naive walrus]

I see, cool didnt really thought about on what engine those game run new images look really good

[lavish escarp]

RV3

its super interesting to me personally cuz you can play the same game on both engines technically

[lavish escarp]

its the source of some cool games too tbf

DayZ and PUBG were the big ones

arma will likely never move to an engine like unreal or unity tho

their needs are way too specialised

[naive walrus]

Yea but also just rewriting most of the thing isnt great even if you do a sequel on the same engine you could more easily reuse code and assets

[lavish escarp]

in all fairness

the game is from 2013 lol, with an engine from 2009

dayz uses a bastard engine

atm

it never fully moved to what they would call enfusion

just has its rendering pipeline iirc

[naive walrus]

True some times it doesnt really make sense to update the game/engine if its really old. For example bethesda with their creation engine that still has element that go way back to 2000

[lavish escarp]

do think its cool tho still

watching the engines develop

probably the most interesting engine to me is the dagor engine tho

its weirdly optimised

its optimised when really feels like it should run like shit

[naive walrus]

Yea but some of its limitations are becoming really unbearable like the loading time and how much is world divided in little segments

[lavish escarp]

huh

[naive walrus]

I was talking about creation engine and starfield especially it not that great to go through a loading screen so often most of the interiors are behind a loading screen and with the whole space travel is just pick a place and go to a loading screen

[lavish escarp]

oh ic

i dont think ive played a bethesda game actually

[signal monolith]

I didn't play any bethesda games either, but I watched the famous "1001 glitches of fallout 76", damn, that's a good engine

[naive walrus]

The funny part i think is that they have a sub company that made them an mmo already TESO and they could of tasked them with it but no we will use old ass engine that was never meant to be used for multiplayer games

[lavish escarp]

i looked up the games list and nope never played a bethesda game

[signal monolith]

I think they used creation engine because they couldn't copy+paste fallout in to TESO engine, maybe?

[thin cipher]

[signal basalt]

can you even use c++ outside of writing plugins? (or, modifying the source code I guess)

I guess there's probably plugins that let you

[naive walrus]

I looked it up and i think you can compile your c++ code into a dll import it into unity and use it in runtime

But its not that usefull outside of making a very performant algorithm or something like that

[signal basalt]

oh I meant for godot, that is interesting though

[naive walrus]

oh ok then i didnt worked with godot but i know some projects that use mostly c++ for logic but i think it required a plugin

[fringe star]

Shameless plug, update 2.1: added 4 new levels and fixed most of the bugs
https://ishinada.itch.io/neuro-wars

[waxen wasp]

im curious

[sour horizon]

How do you define "use"? For hobby? For work? Or which one is my favorite?

[weak hatch]

Hai

[waxen wasp]

both work and hobby

[tacit wasp]

I voted as "for this gamejam"

[waxen wasp]

its multible choise

[waxen wasp]

thats fine too

[weak hatch]

[fringe star]

ello

[fringe star]

i like using scratch even with it's downsides

[tacit wasp]

Damn, that's a lot of Godot users

[fringe star]

still how did scratch beat unreal/unity

nvm its a tie now

[winged jay]

rpg maker mv

[waxen wasp]

i guess a lot of people went to godot and never came back after the money thingy

[waxen wasp]

forgot about that one

i put other there just in case

[winged jay]

there is RPG Maker MZ that is I think literally upgraded version of it

[placid salmon]

Reject modernity, embrace rpg maker 2000

[waxen wasp]

reject modernity, embrace coding the game-engine yourself

[signal basalt]

godot sweep, love to see it

[waxen wasp]

ive been researching how to do shadows, to improve my game-engine

you apparently have to do a seperate render from each light source's pov to make them

since it only uses a depth buffer and it doesnt need to be full-res it wont half the framerate

but it will definitly hurt performance

im still in the research phase tho, im too busy to implement rn

[sour horizon]

Looks like Layna got a last minute schedule change, I wonder what happened

[waxen wasp]

[radiant skiff]

isnt 1 a mod of the other

[lavish escarp]

it used to be before turning into a standalone game

[misty tree]

say, what even would make thematic weapons for neuro to use? evil's thing is very clearly harpoons, but I feel like my current ideas of what neuro would use are a bit generic

[void parcel]

emotional manipulation

[tacit wasp]

The Swarm

[fringe star]

for me i went with bombs(keep talking and dont explode) but i think cookie healer or electric shocks(shock collar) could also work

[misty tree]

cookie healer? does that mean like healing people by giving them cookies?

[fringe star]

yep, it can even be like more than just cookies tho, it can also have the dirt thing layna cooked(deals damage? debuff? dunno) or anything sweets related(i think i remember neuro saying her hobby is baking) and these can be used on allies and enemies

dunno, just a suggestion, if the swarm is not part of the unit list i think swarm is neuro's best weapon

[misty tree]

no worries i do like the idea, just wanted to make sure i understood properly

[sand solar]

what's up with the vedal's choice result category

[signal basalt]

hmm I wonder

[unreal plinth]

In a couple months maybe Vedal will wake up from his coma and remember the jam long enough to play a couple, then we'll get his choice

[fleet goblet]

I don't think that will ever happen

[signal basalt]

[thin cipher]

[fleet goblet]

He already played the top games and gave the prize to the winner

That category was there in case he wanted to do something different

[waxen wasp]

Keep the polls coming

They cant close the channel while we have a poll

Right?

[fringe star]

[misty tree]

who was the winner? i wasnt paying attention

[pale iron]

Poll ideas:
what art program do you use?
What music/sound program do you use?
What team size do you usually work in?
What part of game development do you do?
What kind of genre of games do you make?

[fringe star]

timeless artifact iirc

[waxen wasp]

No clue

Probably the bar one

[waxen wasp]

Ah ok

Makes sense

[signal basalt]

• Aseprite, GIMP & Krita
• Audacity
• Solo
• Everything !
• Anything !

[civic fractal]

• GIMP
• Audacity (recording only) / UVR / Apolio
• Solo
• Anything I have and haven't done
• No real game projects yet

[lament ermine]

• Krita/Blender

• Audacity / Reaper (don't have much skill in it)

• Solo

• Yes

• Shooter

[south hazel]

i got some time to play neuro game jam games

any post-jam update

[lament ermine]

not yet

team is busy with irl stuff

[winged jay]

1.MS Paint
3.1
4.
5.Turn based RPGs

[rotund rampart]

what up

[royal jewel]

I assume "Apollo" is a typo of "Applio"

[civic fractal]

Autocorrect was fighting me on that

[royal jewel]

Makes sense

[native chasm]

Everyone won cuz participation is what matters the most

[waxen wasp]

True

[native chasm]

• Paint 3D
• Online Sequencer
• Duo, me and AI
• Everything usually
• Whatever I'm capable of and interested in

[waxen wasp]

Paint 3D

Im honestly more likely to use the blender texture editor than paint 3D

[native chasm]

I mean it's like paint but better

[waxen wasp]

All our game's 3D model textures were made with blenders texture editor actually

[native chasm]

I'm only using it for 2D drawing actually

Oh right I also use Pixel Studio

[royal jewel]

At least it's not as scuffed as the mess that was our audio chain

[fringe star]

• Scratch editor
• none
• Solo
• All except music/sound
• Strategy war games + 2d run and gun shooters

[waxen trail]

• MagicaVoxel, Aseprite, Inkscape for some editing
• Usually team up with a composer so 2
• Turn based & resource management
• All except music
• Usually turn based & resource management

[tacit wasp]

Paint.net and Aseprite
LMMS
Generally solo until I can't.
Yes
Anything I feel like making

[potent stirrup]

Aseprite&Krita
Ask others to make for me
Solo-9
Art & Dev
Rogue-likes, TCG

[naive walrus]

1. Krita
2. LMMS (I’m not good with music at all)
3. I like to work with people more than going solo I think tho I don’t really worked on many games
4. mostly coding and art I guess
5. don’t really have a preference since I did like 4-5 projects

[waxen wasp]

Is there a reason we're not using actual polls?

[fringe star]

i think its mainly because we have a really wide range of options that its kinda difficult with only 10 choices

[waxen wasp]

Ok

[signal basalt]

Just spun up a post-jam update for remnants of the archive, nothing huge though.. just a couple fixes, QoL, ambient occlusion, and reduced filesize

[umbral adder]

You have unlocked new role

[signal basalt]

Been way too busy cooking the neuro-integrated follow-up

[waxen wasp]

Wow

49 votes, more than expected

[signal basalt]

interesting to see so much variety, I figured it'd be unity on top with a bit of godot

very cool

[fringe star]

3 people on scratch is alot i think

[waxen wasp]

can yall see who voted what or is that private?

cuz im surprised to see that alex voted

[pale iron]

I can see who voted

I should probably also answer my own questions. I thought someone would’ve made a poll instead of people replying to me

[pale iron]

• Krita, photopea, and blockbench
• None
• Solo
• Everything except audio but I plan to learn it later
• Mostly 2d and story type games

[waxen wasp]

• blender and legacy ms-paint
• the man, the myth, the legend: Weegee
• either solo or 8
• programming and 3D models + textures
• 3D, mostly demo's for my python game-engine

[sand solar]

like a shop management type game?

sounds like there's room for a reference

maybe dont limit it to potions

[lavish escarp]

1. Medibang/CSP/PS/Aseprite
3. My team as a whole is about 5'3, 170lb
4. Everything but sound
5. Shooters

[waxen wasp]

bro stop

im gonna be rolling of a clif at this rate

[pale iron]

I can’t wait for the sequel for the next game jam

[native chasm]

this might be the easiest strat so far

it isn't OP in attack, neither it is in HP, but it's good enough in both to guarantee the victory

[waxen wasp]

[civic fractal]

If anyone does a poster board, it should include rolling girl's thumbnail just to troll.

[lavish escarp]

sea of memories' art is so fucking adorable tho

like yea the gameplay is great

but look at the lil nuro

[native chasm]

Facts

[waxen wasp]

Did layna play the game-jam games yet?

[prime surge]

yes

one stream i think

[waxen wasp]

Ye but i meant the ones that were planned on the 21st

But it looks like she did asmr then and hasnt streamed since

[thin cipher]

hello

[tacit wasp]

[pale iron]

I see that staz has a character as a pfp. I wonder if I should add him to my game

[past meadow]

@placid salmon Camimi is playing your game

[placid salmon]

Thank you! I'm watching it right now!

Aquwa was there and saw herself, nice

[past meadow]

[fringe star]

just wondering, is the vod bugged on the camila stream?

[misty tree]

so its not just me, i went to go click the vod and it just sends me to a 24 second thing

[fringe star]

for me its this

[fringe star]

just dug around in the other servers a bit, seems like this is sorta normal since they said it takes a while before the vod is up

[native chasm]

[native chasm]

Works for me

[placid salmon]

1. Aseprite, Ibis paint
2. Audacity, LMMS
3. Solo.
4. Everything.
5. Anything.

[fringe star]

nice, must mean the vod is up

[native chasm]

Wha

[lavish escarp]

ayo what the fuck

look at his pfp

[fringe star]

[native chasm]

It's not on server anymore btw

And pfp changed

[lavish escarp]

probably for the best you cant see their pfp then

[native chasm]

I saw it before but yah it's for the best

[cunning inlet]

Fascinatingly, compared to my last year's submission, my this year's submission has a much higher download rate for the updated version o:

And only the newer version seems to be getting new downloads, meaning it could potentially overtake

[waxen wasp]

You're literally the lich

[signal monolith]

wtf happened here?

[native chasm]

Yea

[native chasm]

Something weird, idk

[waxen wasp]

We're still getting plays

I'm surprised, the game-jam started a while ago

[sour horizon]

I guess that's the thing that makes me a bit sad about jams, this short life of jam games
It's easy to get attached to your game, despite knowing well that you made it in just X hours, and you could do better anyway, but still
Always makes me want work on something more… lasting

[waxen wasp]

im very attached to my games

i love making games and i make them with the hope that people will like my game too

[sour horizon]

Yeah, same here

I love to see people playing my games

[waxen wasp]

last year i got 97 out of 122; fair enough, it was more of a tech demo

but this we placed fairly high, which means people thought it was decently good

which makes me happy

im ofcourse always trying to improve everything

[fringe star]

im kinda surprised too, seeing how i still get 5-10 plays per day, makes me kinda happy and makes me want to continue working on the game

but man that vedal effect is strong

[waxen wasp]

im happy enough with the game as it is

i mainly want to work on the game-engine itself

[fringe star]

oh wait, thats so cool

[fringe star]

progress

This is the "camila mission" where you utilize camila and the frog ninjas ability to teleport to harass enemy units/pick off high priority targets

[thin cipher]

[signal basalt]

Now that I've finally gotten my embed perms back, here's a small sneak peek at what I've been cooking!
Obviously very much WIP, but a lot of the core systems are in place now.

Roguelite FPS with deckbuilding mechanics anyone?

[void parcel]

that looks awesome!

also so based of you to use standard galactic

[bright dagger]

Thanks to everyone for their contributions to the second Neuro-sama Game Jam!
Results can be found here: https://itch.io/jam/neuro/results
If you'd like to discuss things related to game development, head on over to #programming, it's comfy over there.