#2024-game-jam
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I missed a plugging session: https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211560
same vote count so it probably just displays it differently for people
play this, its cute
and fun
I meant analytics
I should play what?
people should play your game
Like here's Vadul's
Oh
Hi, I haven't plugged a lot today
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211795
Me neither https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212555
Damn I got counter-plugged
Dang it, my karma is under 2
Gasp! I forgot to plug this the whole day: https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213260
I have played a few games today, I'm glad
But I heavily doubt I'll be able to play every game for the end of the week 
30:07:00 approximately
Oh hey, I just finished playing this one
And I was just about to start yours!

someone said plug? https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830
Classic
Omfg this is gold
i think karmas just about how many games u rate
and theres a sort by karma option in the various sort options
Does anyone else have negative karma besides me?
It's basically if u rate more than you get rated then u get high karma
Vadul probably got like -3 now
True
realistically it doesnt matter much, its just a way to get people to potentially give some incentive to get evryone to rate more
I see
but also, theres no special reason why more ratings = your ratings get better
If anything, it just balances out your own effect on the greater scene.
-2.49
I have -1.4
I'm 23rd if u sort by karma :O
you want some karma? rate my game so I can get back to 2nd place, then the gods will give you good karma irl, no cap ( I am clearly kidding)
chill, rate honestly
What if the 5 stars is honest?
I honestly think it deserves 5 for fun
(only gave 5★ for fun to 3 games out of 30 I rated)
Does anyone know who this is?
Would love to hear what feedback they wanted to give, but they never followed up.
@proud smelt < this guy
I feel like I saw that message
They left similar messages on a couple of games
Which was your game?
thank you 
this is the THIRD time I forgot to play this
I'm playing it now

Oh, haven't yet played
I see I definitely haven't plugged enough then
Plugging is never enough 
Speaking of which, here's mine
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213344
I finally have my VM set up, so will play
did u play mine
which one
neuro 2024 simulator
nah you did
alright alright plug plug https://unmoon.itch.io/surviwan
I missed it so many times I have this
Thank you!
I might get top 100 at this rate
AND still managed to forget
don't think so
btw, if you guys leave a rating just drop a simple comment so I can keep track of who I played
I have 54 rates but only 30+ comments
Oh wait I'm 91th 
so there's probably like 20 guys whose games I should be playing
.
oops...
I'll play after turtle
anyway I have some feedback
well rather than feedback maybe some advice?
sure, all's appreciated
I think I'll dm you
ok
pretty lengthy convo
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211655 my plug for lurkers who like tower defense games 👍
Going through my open jam game tabs, and would you look at that
surely I've seen this image somewhere
hmm
its everywhere
my plug for those into tactics games
https://ishinada.itch.io/neuro-wars
Its from this (plug) game https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830
LULE Alex already plugged rolling girl 2
Huh?
its a stream meme right now
Wdym
stream watchers know
Been playing Evil In Time unsponsored for the last 30 minutes
Love the concept but damn it's hard to get an ending
Oh also, I just saw this, we reached 3,000 votes!
That's game over, basically
Fair enough. It was still fun 
@lament ermine is that the only ending
There is a bad ending where you fail to capture both of them
Tbh 3 evil has better scaling I guess
So that's the good ending?
Since she scales everyone
Yeah
Ah ic
We wanted to do a True ending as well but no time
I only got that one so I had no clue there was a bad ending
Same
The bad art for anny unironically scared me tho
I wonder how many people realized you can call Anny after you captured her
Oh I did
I wish there was more text from calling vedal after captures tho
Must harass tutel
No time, we were supposed to get hints of what's going after each capture
Because the corrupted characters had information from being on the bad side
Oh yeah, I did it too!
I also tried to capture Mini first so I could call her and found out she was sleeping
No time to add her dialogue 
U can't have 3 evils I think?
Figured as much lmao
I haven't ever gotten any evils with evil as captain
Oh true
Oh wait but I probably can get it with others?
Triple vedal post
Average Triple Vedal player 
Nah, 2 evils is worse than eliv + 2 cumilq
How triple tutel then
Hello
Maybe coldfish becoming tutel in the campfire event

Dang there is stuff like that?
My artist suggested it as an idea and it sounded really cool 
And I felt guilty about not implemnting the new digging sprites they sent me
Your artist fucks btw
But it is really cool too fr
and I implemented them for the post-jam version
I can't tell what this means
Thank you so much, I'll pass this along to them 
back in my days
They mean it in a good way
Based on context
fucks is a bad thing HAHA
Boomer
Argh... friendly fire... 
How old r u folk
its a new year and I'm turning 30, I'm basically a fossil now
My condolences
Nah, you're just a Category B viewer. Wasn't that like half the people according to a poll?
MegaMan star force is the best game of all times
I saw a grid based real time combat game in the game jam that if you squint hard enough has the same principle
Isn't MegaMan old asf
it is
I'm suffering with low rated games so I didn't see that, but that system is a little bit popular with developers I would say
It is
Old is gold, some videogames age like wine
Is it what you grew up with
excuse me, I grew up with Pokemon like a regular normie thank you
Imma be real I feel young as fuck here cuz the games I grew up with are still getting updates
hahaha
I read it as "sucks" and was so confused lmao
nah I understood it based on context, I'm just yapping
I grew up with crash bandicoot, Spyro, sonic the hedgehog, MegaMan, etc
DayZ, Minecraft, unturned, I got into gaming during the survival game era
I bought and played a game on steam called one step from Eden that is kind like star force but also roguelike, it was fun
Getting 150+ atk is actually hard
I prefer the grid presentation in MMBN over MMSF tbh
I'm beyond my mid twenties so on the bridge between you and zoomers lol
But there's a lot of other Neuro fans in their 30s and beyond (in the discord and elsewhere), you'd be surprised
oh I don't doubt it
I highly doubt a bunch of early 20 to late 20s can afford 140k subs
There's a lot to offer in the neuro community tbf
200+ is like insane, I'm not sure if I can beat my pb
Yeah, that's fair, one step from Eden it's actually more like mmbn now that I think about it
if the community is ONLY young, we wouldn't have gotten 83k subs in a day
80 year old rich CEOs dropping 140K subs 
But tbh, who knows
200+ is actually insane for real
Valorant paid for like 25k
it was like 15k I think?
My age is 21, and correct I do have the ability to gift subs
Evil and Neuro on top of just being extremely funny kinda represent the edge of an AI with a subjective experience, it's hard to find that anywhere else at all, and it presents so many extremely interesting questions
Yeah but it's not even half of theoretical limit
It makes sense for older folk to be interested
Much as I love the shitposting I'm also an engineering guy in robotics and firmware
nah you're thinking too deep on this, people in their 30s are just people in their 20s but 10 years older
This shit is hyper interesting to me
the 30 y/os and the 20 y/os watch for the same reason
Nah I'm just saying it's extremely interesting
19349 this week rn
Not just typical haha funny shitposting just really cool stuff
Plus it was like 5k previous week iirc
Neuro and Evil are genuinely funny
Yeah they have their own kind of creativity and uniqueness. Other AI just really lack personality compared to Neuro who's an actually compelling character
Yeah they are
I have a full folder of reaction images using evil and Neuro saying shit
I think Vedal carries harder than people give credit for
Based
And also, Vedal is just like me fr (game dev + into AI)
Oh no doubt, if it was another dev on Neuro things could've easily went very different
But actually successful
The content goes mad fun when it's vedal interacting with the twins especially
They play off each other really well
The unfiltered twin dev stream is a favourite
That and evil talking about her AI vision
I remember watching AIs talk way before, google dots or something trying to make a conversation. It was fun but not half as fun as Neuro & Evil
It always devolved into 'deep' conversations
Yeah tbh his work is kinda unappreciated, probably due to Neuro's attitude
I disagree that it's underappreciated tho, maybe I'm biased cuz I'm surrounded by folk who realise how impressive it is but like everywhere I go people acknowledge vedal being cracked
Casual viewer doesn't know maybe?
And acknowledging he's a funny dude with a good Personality for streaming
Are there casual viewers in the neuroverse?
Yeah,
I mean look at the articles going around for breaking the sub record
I kinda feel like people love to meme on Vedal for the memes but know how good he is for Neuro deep down
there's 0 mentions of Vedal
I plug Neuro harder than I plug rolling girl lmfao I've definitely created some casual viewers
Idk, I feel like most people would be bias towards nuro rather than vadul
That's because they only give a shit about getting those clicks/impressions and they know that an AI would make better headlines
Maybe to an outside observer ig
But vedal I feel is very loved within the community at the very least
yea
Imagine preferring to write about an AI breaking the sub record instead of a sentient turtle that knows how to code. L!
supposedly there's a part of the community who wants Vedal gone or something
its weird
I dont think its on discord
but they exist
"Evil in Time" literally has Evil and Neuro escape from Vedal as main part of the plot
Neuro?
That might be reading too much into it
O damn
They are idiots, that would not work out well
YES its twitter and reddit
Also he died there
but there are neuroverse fans outside of here haha
Tbh yeah every fanbase that grows big enough has people with ideas we'd find weird
TBF people find us weird
Aren't we?
I mean, I know I'm weird
True. But we're based
Echo chamber moment lmfa

But nah people def have gotten on my ass for being as big of a fan as I am
It's mildly comedic
At least here there aren't propoganda machines spewing constant deluge
Neurosama is the best AI
how's that for propaganda
Based
Speaking of constant spew, here is a plug https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830
Ig I'll plug too then
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213344
Wait why isn't that game in my table
troubleshooting?
you're gonna love it
or rolling neuro
Yeah I don't see that one on my list
Got it in my plans for tmr
Owo
Nvm it's cuz "T" was lowercase
On phone it matters ig, cuz on laptop everything was fine even without that lol
You played it?
Did you manage to get an ending beside the Game Over one?
Yea I got 2/5 endings
1 bad where filter gets me
Yeah I got that one too but it's just the basic Game Over ending
1 kinda good ig where everything is fine
All I managed to do is ||bring back Vedal to life|| for now
Oh yea I had that one
After that I ||defeated filter|| and got ending where ||neuro and evil live at anny's pc in peace||
the song from our game got an official release!!! 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzt8oxS-4ow
This original song was created from scratch in 2 days for the second Neuro-sama game jam! Check out the game where this art and music were featured in: https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213324
This is the first ever original song I've published on this channel! I know it's a bit different than the more symphonic music I upload, but I hope you all...
the name debate took forever lul
true
Swarm and choosing names is just not really compatible
took longer than making the song 
2 days song, 5 day name debate
The song is definitely really good, especially for being made in the time of the game jam (the voice models are obviously not specifically built for the game jam, that would have taken way too much)
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213059
Just plugging 
If there was a rank for least safe-looking game, you guys would get 5 stars 
we have a web-release
and i have a fixed version ready for when the voting ends, im not allowed to plug that one tho
It's truly a great song
And the Neuro voices sound great since we used the best Neuro RVC pipeline me and Wispers use for our covers too
We really utilized the RVC models to their fullest
Including Evil's insane range
I know, the web version is just too large for my screen so I tried the local release
oh
they're all 1080p
idk how to fix that
doesnt the webgl version have a fullscreen button?
You’ll have to export a scaled down version, but if the UI isn’t anchored properly, it gets really messy
Normally as long as development is done with 16:9 as a reference, most engines should be able to scale down
Actually, there’s no rules against just dm-ing your updated build to anyone who has already voted
the UI pos is based on screenwidth / x
so it should work
The link rule is just to avoid people making a mistake in voting
Yea
is 720p fine?
you need to enable it
Pretty sure that project has full screen enabled
Running at 2k fps would probably break in some browsers for webgl
ye, thats why the exporter normally does vsync
The audio in their game is insane, they had like 7~ish audio technicians on their team
Yeah, most of the team was on audio
Indeed, Neuro RVC V11 and Evil RVC V7 are extremely close to the real things
They'll never know what happened to get the voicelines for neuro/evil
Some of the songs I like to show off for Neuro RVC and Evil RVC by the way
Just to give you even more of an idea of how good they are
Truly incredible tech
Display scaling from Windows' side might also be messing with it
I've found loads of things that beak with larger display scaling
Just look at what happens with the Neurolings on non-100% scaling
(those lines and artifacts are not screenshot errors)
Suprisingly wayland scaling working fine with the neurolings
uhhh, should probably delete that
They just lorge
oh wait are neuro covers just traditional vocaloid with voice morph
that makes me a bit sad
I'm not actually sure what the actual Neuros use, but our RVC models are really good at replicating it with the help of SynthV for base voices
yeah this totally makes sense just magic is broken for me now, i didn’t know how it worked formerly lol
Of course there is some sort of AI model behind it
It could be something similar to SynthV on an unrelated voice bank and RVC, or it could be a custom system that directly creates Neuro and Evil's voices
We have no idea really
Whatever the actual Neuros are. it's really high quality
They are the future of humanity obviously
True
And also really good singers
It's really cool to even unofficially be able to use their voices for all kinds of cool things
I even managed to make Finnish Neuro exist
i was really interested in applications for non singing. though some systematized intonation plus voice bank plus transform might actually be a totally reasonable approach for doing that with current technology
i can tell you the actual neuro voice btw if you like
I know what the actual Neuro TTS is
The singing voice is what I was going for with these RVC models though
ah, gotcha
Does reasonably with converting speech though
but you didn’t use the actual neuro tts in your game
Yeah, didn't have time to figure out how to use it during the jam so we just used some high quality thing Shadow had
Evil was the more interesting one IMO
Neuro voice lines use Shadow's Neuro TTS and Evil uses another TTS Shadow had + Evil RVC V7
Singing is Neuro RVC V11 and Evil RVC V7 with the Solaria SsynthV voice bank as a base
I'm not sure
But it was converted with Evil RVC V7 for accuracy
Well there's a singer credited in LIFE besides Neuro so I'm thinking it's a RVC
Could be, or that singer could just be for testing
It could be sang by a real singer or by a SynthV-like program and use RVC, who knows
did u play btw
Vedal showed the early draft of the MV and leaked the singer's version. It's very common when having a song composed to have the initial draft with temp/cover vocals over the top until the actual vocal recordings are done proper, so that the client can see what it'll sound like before signing off on it
well in this sense the .exe is safer, at least it is more honest
Well, technically the .bat can just call a .exe
the correct play is to host a remote server and beam the game over into the browser
In the case of our game though run.bat just calls java.exe that is included and then gives it a jar file that hosts the game locally
Code for the jar file
I haven't checked, but it might be signed
java programs can do anything if it’s not sandboxed (browser or otherwise) it can’t be trusted
True
In this case this is all the JVM code does though
(made with Kotlin/JVM)
Yeah, it's an actual JVM
A stripped down JVM, but still a JVM
Yeah, they can always just use a JVM they download themselves
They just need to change the run PATH or run the Java command manually with their own Java 21 runtime
True
700+ MB is usually a red flag, especially if it's unsigned
Either way, I like this little local web hoster thing I made, it's very simple to use and has a cool feature specifically for Neuro integration
(it can read environment variables to web so that the game can get the WS address)
ok, decorated the intro area of my game a bit, but i think it could use just a bit more 👀 any other random things you guys can think of I could add in?
Floor tiles would be an easy one
Imo you should reduce the size of the room, too much empty space (unless you plan on adding more things)
oh, yea for sure about the floor tiles. im just making placeholder stuff tho since i cant really draw for real, ill have to figure out somebody to make it all properly, i was more just asking about other funny things i could leave around the rooms
i love shoving references everywhere
Pet xenomorph
oh yea good call. do u remember what its name apparently was
oh it seems to just be Xeno
Monkey named George
from the trade!
a mountain of hats
Yeah XD
shame i couldnt fit any random living characters in my game
i really wanted a toma character to pass by with like 50 bodyguards in tow
jk, sorry
did neuro played jam game today?
No, no game jam games today
Ooh our popularity is climbing up!
@royal jewel does your web bundler serve the entire file system?
Not easily
It's all relative paths and would be very hard to get anything useful out of
Like, at that point just make a proper malicious exe
Why not put a limit so you can't escape the folder that the app was ran in
It was a quick solution to a problem, implementing such check would take a bit more to make sure it doesn't break anything
And anyone could easily just remove it if they wanted to say they use the thing
If someone wants to progam a complex security handler, sure, go right ahead, but at the time I was making the thing, figuring out that was kinda out of scope for the thing that I was making to run web games on localhost that was designed to never be exposed to the public internet (anyone that exposes something like this to the public internet could be considered slightly intellectually problematic (something like that, I don't know))
Alright, time to get back to work on my gamejam submission
wait whats going on? XD

Some people, Just move on plz
Ahh sorry ill post a follow up 😄
Had to do some work stuff and didnt have time to check
Oi, are you implying people are meant to abandon their projects just because the jam is over?

I'd never recommend that, surely. Not like my last game jam project still not getting an update.
Games are hard, can't blame someone for not deciding to spend dozens of hours on a fan game that's not guaranteed to even be successful
Which just makes the occasions when someone does make a full fledged fan game all the more special
i have time to play game jams again!!!
time to play some
@torpid bridge How do u get more memory cores
Nvm
damn
and here I am still planning on updates for it
@torpid bridge Ngl you made camila too op
mb i should be talking to @sleek reef ab it 
hi i made the balance for the game, and yeah, this version is the backup version (the main version had a bug i couldnt fix in time) before i made some balance changes so its really hard to get through the first part without luck

what game is it
AHAHAHFBWHBFH
Memory Lanes
wait, you can get 3 neuros?!? I thought I just had 1
must have not gotten that far into it
no you cant, its probably a bug where the game doesnt reset properly after game over 😭
good game
oh
i played it on day 1 of voting
2 misses on my attacks REEE
thanks! planning to put out a major update with balances and QoLs after voting period, already 80% done
it was either this unbalanced mess or game freezes when entering shop im so sorry 
where did you get this image from?
Analyze your Itch.io Game Jam results and view jam statistics
rip alex, not cool
did Vedal play any game jam games in the last hours, before goimg to sleep?
nope
btw where do i find the games ?
I see thank ya, hope he gets to them since there's a good bunch of time left in the subathon
Start here, then go to submissions, https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830
(plug)
He can't keep getting away with this 
Finished playing the game, good job!
It was really good 
Pardon me
https://ishinada.itch.io/neuro-wars
Ayyy thanks, also prove that there’s still a reason to plug in this chat haha
Do you have a game?
was planning to submit one but my procastinating ass got to me 
i fucking jumped when i typed capture anny

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3208404 also linking mine so people can rate it if they want
#neurosama #vtuber
It has been two weeks since Neuro-sama vanished, and the world went to [filtered]. Vedal, the head of VedalAI, has hunkered down in the company saferoom. He knows he can’t stay there forever, but he can’t go outside either. They are outside. The ones who hear his daughter’s voice, even when she’s not around. The ones who alr...
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212851 A little plug
I woke up today and my game jumped up by about 10 places in both rating count and popularity, very nice
https://itchanalytics.vercel.app/jam/neuro/3211560
Analyze your Itch.io Game Jam results and view jam statistics
#neurosama #vtuber
One day Neuro finds herself mysteriously transported into a bandoned rchive, thousands of years in the future. With humanity extinct, Neuro's only hope of getting back to her time is to gather up fragments of data from around the rchive to try and reassemble an AI version of Vedal.
A Neuro-sama Birthday Game Jam Submission
...
yooooo
ive been updating a bunch of quality of life stuff, cant wait to be able to release it
like ive noticed everyone gets confused by the weapon disabling, which was very bad xD
(the reason it disables was it was just faster to implement than to make it so u cant attack swarm while its non-hostile)
also as a rare gun user the drone also had a garbage hitbox since they draw themselves higher than they actually are
which was why ud miss while shooting at em horizontally
i see
You had to do "cd ../" to go back a directory btw, "cd.." is interpreted as a command
For more art, try: calling Anny after you capture her
😭 mb im a hardcore cmd user
oh what 😭 i never knew
Fail to capture both Anny and Mini for bad ending
Lastly, call Cerby for Easter egg
one sec
Sorry about that, didn't realise you could do that (am amateur cmd user)
Also sorry about the long ass unskippable intro, I added a skip button but wasn't able to build in time
||Call vedal for an Easter egg||
lmfao
its fine, great game tho xd
I had to go a couple times before finishing and had to restart a few times, the intro was definitely annoying haha, but great game though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Pgsqs2ews
new vid with bad END and secrets
#neurosama #vtuber
It has been two weeks since Neuro-sama vanished, and the world went to [filtered]. Vedal, the head of VedalAI, has hunkered down in the company saferoom. He knows he can’t stay there forever, but he can’t go outside either. They are outside. The ones who hear his daughter’s voice, even when she’s not around. The ones who alr...
you making those videos?
yeah
alex played my game on stream
he did not like it though and quit it in the middle
The tracks in this game are so peak
Damn you Alex >:C
yea
lmfao
wait is that what you were referring to earlier?
549fps
cool, they remind of videos of manlybadasshero(style of naming and thumbnails)
thanks 
Yeah the thumbnails are really good
I hope you'll eventually play my game, but I'm not so shameless as to plug it
plug it rn
thanks 
It's gud
I hope gymbag enjoys it
maybe finally someone will get the bad ending
(spite plug) https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830
good morning
I see I just joined Alex's stream at the perfect moment
He's playing some games?
yup yup
he playing tutel rancher bc someone gifted subs
Can I get a link to the stream?
is he playing them in a specific order? Or just one that catch his eye?
played some games mentioned on stream and some games from people that left comments on his game
There is a bad end?
yeah, you have a choice right before the credits
after the boss
Lemme speedrun that again real quick later

I think your game is the best among all the 3d entries I’ve played
there weren't many 3d games tbf, I'm glad you think that way
The here were quite a few
For whatever reason, I like brick the chatters alot haha
That’s technically 3d
from 3d games I liked this one a lot: https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213163
is this the pirate ship 1
yeah
Who gets to create threads in this server? Just the mods?
Would be great if we could have a moderated thread where each game contributor must plug a game that’s not their own and have no repeats
wth happened tonight, went from 153rd popularity to 83rd
I'm so confused it's been falling for days now and suddenly it switches
Did I play your game yet?
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212492 I'm not sure, its this one
@signal monolith i speedran so much that i did a rare glitch
yeah xD
you died and completed the level at the same time, I see, what happens then?
game crash
classic
but honestly it kinda messes up with my understanding of how popularity is calculated, nothing changed in my analytics
if anything everything is going down
appart from downloads
but like it's not a huge spike
its a proportion of impressions and views/plays
in the 120~ish position the competition isn't super huge, so a minor change in the proportions is sufficient to rise up in a huge number of rank
how do you get dark mode?
itch app
sweet numbers
but yea, its a pretty slow day for game jam
most entries have a significant drop in impression and viewership
numbers numbers numbers
the data trend is the same for everyone, so there's just not much going on with the game jam today
you can also do it in browser: open top right burger menu -> settings -> profile, scroll a bit -> use dark theme where available
nobody really pushing people to want to play the games
probably also that the most active people already tried a lot of the games
@lavish escarp you're the most shameless plugger and trend setter, go plug in general and get banned
wa happen?
pretty sure I'm more shameless HAHA
got 2 more plug fanart post planned for tomorrow and day after
isn't self promotion banned on that subreddit?
BRUH
I tagged it under fanart HAHA
How can I win if my enemies are so cunning?
(shameless plug) https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/comments/1hsjom9/eliv_when_story/
in any case its reddit so I probably dont mind getting banned
Anyone know what games Alex has played so far
aww
yes
that's nice of you neuroSoCute
play ittt
this game turns your computer into a game world
Wait how did you add both text and image
i dont understand how you mfs who made the visual novels draw so fast for the game jam
use FileExplorer, the images are tied to what the datatype is
art school
unironically?
so imagine you get a file from a path, if it has a txt extension, show image of text file
my team = people who went to art school with me so yea
HAHA
weird question but in your experience did art school actually help
and was it worth it
(seperate answer)
the value of school is directly proportional to the dilligence of the student
you can have 2 student going into the same course, and one comes out with a ton of knowledge and the other has none
in your experience
but if its helpful for my game dev, then yes, I've led a 20 man art team for a game project before and I wouldn't be able to do it if I didn't learn my basics from art school
like it isn't the "answer to everything", but its one of the ways to get started imo
just in general, im typically pretty dismissive of art school but i try to pick up opinions and angles from everyone who's attended it
i wonder how it affects people's trajectories in art
it highly depends on the institute, the lecturers and the students attitude
I wouldn't say its for everyone
gonna go rate some games, but before that, plug
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213344
heck, most of my fellow graduates from the same class just stopped doing art entirely
rough
honestly though, if you have the right attitude, everything that gives knowledge is a +
did it cost you much?
and if you see someone blaming an institute for their failure or something, i can guarantee you 9/10 of the cases its just the person not making full use of it
hmm, I wouldn't say its alot
but it differs from people to people
based on their finance etc
im hesitant to say that honestly, ive heard some horror stories as well
oh wait, Rolling girl is web game
i know a creative institute (video) that effectively teaches nothing, then shovels their students into this short form content editing sweatshop as interns paid very little
oh the same can be said about alot of programming schools and bootcamps tbh
the web game is Rolling Girl :Neuro https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830 @native chasm
i have actually never been in a dedicated programming school/bootcamp
honestly, the best part of school is just that it gives you an environment to focus on exploring and improving your skills
i have been in them for robotics, engineering, dronemaking, and we HAPPEN to program
but never dedicated programming
alot of programming schools just streamline students into making bare minimum stuff with no understanding of the underlying systems
its interesting to see you seem to have a positive take on them tho
like they'll give you classes on "basics and fundamentals", but all they're doing is go through these slides and then answer these questoins and move on
im wondering how it was as a whole in your case
oh yeah ive been through that as well fwiw
i was the only one in my uni's programming course that could actually program
imho, College should never be a barrier of entry to work (non professional fields)
the state of education these days being as bad as it is is highly due to the whole "you must have a degree for work"
it drops the overall quality of education to make it into a "necessity" for every single human to reach a certain level
and by doing that, you start hiring subpar teachers/lecturers to meet demand, and the goal is to get them to a "passing grade in society"
which is why courses that just blindly teaches you how to make website front end and back end without understanding the underlying fundamentals exist
theres also the ones where a university education doesnt make sense for imo
for example, I can guarantee you that a fresh graduate that says they specialize in azure web development, if you gave them a blank console app with .net framework, they won't be able to recreate an MVC pattern
Model View Controller
Model- data, View- the way you show the data, Control- the way you can interact with the data
ah
(I had an angular js lab for some reason, that's why I know this)
(i know almost nothing about devops)
(me too)
like its so easy these days to just click on visual studio and they just create a MVC for you with a service pattern prebuilt for you
that its like 75% of the work done
and then because schools these days are profit first and tries to do the bare minimum to get you to be able to work in society
they teach you the remaining 25% and you're now a graduate (a little exaggerated, but this is from my experience hiring devs)
judging by all the stuff youve mentioned i take it youre primarily referring to devops?
I ran a game studio during covid, so majority of the jobs I got during that time were web3 related
the part I hate about my clg is that they are abysmal at actually teaching, I'm always better off just studying on my own
its actually my first game jam, its been a really fun experience so far
the part that I like is that I got to learn about some cool shit like Finite Automata
rolling girl is my first game lmfao
I mean for what its worth, I definitely got alot from school too haha
im not regretful tho i think i did well
im mildly proud of how competent rolling girl is
but its mostly self study as well
impressive work, both of you
its pretty good
its no tutel rancher tho
which game is this?
sup IvChill
crazy robot body
just saw the clip of koko yelling at vedal for letting v*dolf top her
This is my 13th game jam entry
oh, have it in my list to rate
Hi!
Jam games Alex has played on stream today:
0:35 - Vedal's Secret
1:10 - Neuro Scratch
1:13 - Abandoned Pub
2:03 - Neuro 2024 Simulator
2:15 - Memory Frenzy
2:26 - Remnants of the Past: Defend Neuro's Memories
2:39 - Someone Tell Vedal There is a Problem with My AI
2:54 - Neuro-Sama Tutel Rancher
3:04 - Staz's vod constructor
3:31 - Unhando
3:45 - Vedality: Clause & Neuroffect
4:04 - Anniversary
4:21 - Branching Paths
4:47 - Sea of Memories
damn
did he play game jam games yesterday?
I saw that clip too, Koko is so funny
I'll probably just be sticking to Neurosama jams in future, its fun but its time consuming
This is my... let me think, first game jam was a disaster, second was one game jam split into seven, where I participated in three of them, third was last year's game jam, next is pirate software jam, and finally it's this jam
so... that would make this my 7th jam
There are other game jams that give you more time to develop projects, and some are smaller and less competitive
The concept of the second jam was pretty cool tho, basically it was a week long, and each day of the week you had to pick up the surviving games from the previous day (that you never worked on)
im probably sticking to neuro jams too
I mean it takes time away from dev-ing work stuff I guess
neuro fills me with determination
same
this was mine 4th game jam
as of now
i got clip studio paint over christmas
so i am drawing
interesting shit coming from medibang paint pro
@rotund rampart
this is actually my art lol
idk if you guys caught the sleepover w camila but i died of cuteness
Cute art
lmfao
That's my weakness, I do have a game with only music made by me but it's really hard
This is how I performed in all my game jams, Dokka is the only non solo dev
taking piano classes is my new years resolution
sound stuff is the only major area in game dev I can't do competently
there's a touhou jam?
fingers crossed I get 20+/25 for this jam
looks pretty good ig
Yes, that was my first game jam with the theme winter games, I did bad because of not following the theme properly but I have no regrets, I made the game I was passionate about.
https://itch.io/jam/touhou-jam-10
I even joined their discord server for a while and they are pretty cool people
Is that the popularity ranking or what? Can be skewed a lot by shamelessly plug spamming...
I'm also looking into other game jams. Some are a bit odd. Like an "Anime game game jam". How the heck do they define "anime game"?
ill have to test this theory wont i?
(shameless plug)
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830
pirate jam, was a disaster
Pirate Jam seems so overcrowded... 10k joined already for the upcoming one...
Those are the overall results after the voting period, not popularity
neuroshock rating
I mean the winner gets plugged
tbf thor's whole community centres around game dev as well
game jams and ferrets
I just looked, and the second jam, the interesting one doesn't have ratings
Do we not have that ranking value yet?
most creative jump scare I seen in this jam
3 more days
lmfao
nothing scares me more than this
No, we don't know who is going to rank high, just because a game has high popularity or ratings doesn't mean they are going to win
@past meadow In case you wanted to see Alex playing your game, since you just said you missed it, here are the timestamps: #2024-game-jam message
Ngl I imagine Alex and his team rated my game lower than the average rater
but it is what it is
But just finishing a game and sharing it with people to get feedback is a win in my opinion.
Yeah, I just finished rewatching that portion of the VOD before joining live
Still fun stream and was cool seeing him check out branching paths and enjoying it
(Shard's game)
game
complete a very difficult boss fight
chose not to hug
i was the last game that got the ratings shown, definitely does not look good for me 
I am so salty they rated 4 for visuals 
no audio when clicking on characters smh
hearing the team discussing points in the bg is like an exam committee
-1000 ratings for that 
Many videos talk about them as a learning experience. I see a big value in developing mechanics and testing game design ideas in a smaller scope to maybe put into bigger games later.
ahaha
least dedicated neuro fan
Damn
but I'm sure other people's rating of your game will cancel that out
(Cuz it's gud)
I gave you a 5 
HOW? 
How tf can you rate that 4 for visuals lmao
WHAT
Ok ban Alex
here we go again
it's literary one of the best looking
probably being ~~petty ~~ thorough with the overlapping visuals in places like the blender etc
alex really does not like tower defense games, after wave 10 closed the game and said it takes too long
But I guess he is right, TD games are not as time per input engaging as other games
It's a jam though
what is considered 5 stars in visuals if not that
I was so happy to work with my favourite artists from the community, and they did such a good job, thank you for rating it 
I can see some people giving - points whenever there is a visual bug
It was a bit slow but in a chill way, I could listen to something else and add tower and stuff. I enjoyed it a bunch either way
He expects unreal 5.5 
lemme check what i gave pub
I am someone who plays idle/clicker games so yea, some other people who hate the genre would call all the games i play boring
now I'm anxious about what he'll think about our game
he finished all the other games so dont worry
their game
(though can't lie, SADecsSs carries)
something like this I mean, I can see some people just giving -1 if they're strict
nahhh, that's stupidly strict, I never even noticed that
I mean given the timeframe, its 100% ignorable
or thought it was a problem
in the end its up to the voter y'know
for some games, i dont know how graphically to improve them for their ratings justify a 5*. most games have all their art and sprites and animations done in 3 days like ours
I thought it was a feature
true
i personally fucked up by fucking up the scale of some sprites compared to others
that green car in the blue void
I guess some players are always going to have preferences towards certain types of gameplay but I think your game didn't have pacing issues at all
our artists cooked
thats mr beans car actually i was under the assumption most people would notice
couldn't tell haha
I also loved the music in your game 
sound designers also cooked, I had no idea they were that good
we will see when rating period ends
your game will be very high on the fun rating scale
true
I hope so!! but if not I'll know to blame Alex 
yes, keep calm and blame alex, i will join you
this scene was done in a few hours
alex will add +1 graphics point just for the barrel roll
its so messy
Will have to add Alex as a character as revenge
it's the only way
time to make a cringe ship fanfic for alex next year as revenge Kappa
Or alternatively... make a really good one like Soda
voidtuber character would go well for your game tho
it was so good, alex played it TWICE!
i mean, he played for quite a while and even came back to it 
the writing in Soda's game is SO good
Alex type voidtuber would work honestly 
Yeah that game's writing is fantastic
Perfect balance of code and romance leaving you begging for more 
now I HAVE to play that game
It's so gud
alex was stronger than me, i quit the game ||when i saw the socks|| but he came back for more after that
The ||socks|| were the best part 
Writing so good it made LuDeRu quit in horror, actual masterpiece
Congrats 
i never play visual novels, and the writing made my cringe, shrinking together in my seat, i cant handle that degree of fictional boylove shipping
but one saw that the game maker clearly did his research or remember that moment from like 2 years ago and interpreted that in a very shippy fandom way
hmm...
I can see why you feel that way, I kinda just perceived it as a really elaborate high effort joke and it worked really well in that context 
Cringe writing just means it was effective 
Okok sorry I'm defending it too much lmao
maybe i am way too emotional and thats why overreact lol. Life makes me cry every time
many will rate it super high just to troll alex, alex lowkey wanted to disqualify the game 
it is a banger, very emotional 
i am one of the other 100 submissions that used life in some way for their game, i know not really creative, but the song just hits 👍
petition to add humor as a category next jam 
I am kinda against humor as an actual category because it'd mean that games have to implement humor (meaning, horror will lose out on that category)
yea more rating parameters might be good. like, there is no story parameter? but adding that implies that your game HAS to have a story. but i think ppl dont implement it in the fun category, just the gameplay
But if it was a bonus category that doesn't apply to the actual ranking
So you still have top humor but without affecting jam overall rating that would be gud
yeah, i was joking. it would encourage too many meme submissions i'd think
god this would be peak content if Vedal played it on stream
Unless... we do one small jam with all meme submissions 
alex told vedal to not play this game at any cost (serious)
eliv birthday 1 1/2 day game jam lesgooo
wonder if that's going to make Vedal play it just to spite Alex, reverse psychology moment
i did try to speedrun it but they were too many bullets
We should have added raytracing and a huge explosion to get a 5 😔
it will mentally scar vedal just as much as alex
give us a programmer category somehow haha
It's actually criminal that it'd be rated a 4 on visuals imo
I would pay for that content
makes me glad he didnt play my game HAHA
Yeah Branching Paths is fantastic
thats also what alex said, branching paths is a sweep like shards game from last year
oh for fucks sake lemme edit
classic
Have you played my game?
it's Sea of Memories
genuinely i think every game i've played so far had considerable effort in them
sorted by random
so either i got really lucky or you guys really cooked hard
play mine! it's pretty short haha
Neurojammers cook every year 
there were very few with little effort but generally, when people take their time for a 3 day jam, they put in effort
#1 community after all 
Least dedicated community 
I am dying playing this game
which one
the soda one
YES
YES
have you seen what the swarm did in the comment section of the last tweet twitch did?
that's the funniest game
That's the normal way to play this game
They havent played mine yet, right?
sounds like I gotta join in
they havent yet
I hope they destroy Twitch ngl
Alex is playing by most popular too?
nope. by what chat says or what gets recommended. some from people that did comment on their game
seems like he's just picking stuff he wants to play
oh that makes sense
retrospectively, was bad decision to mention my game 
Damn, I have doubts he will play mine then
Alex rated abandoned pub 4 on visuals so might not be the kindest rater 
he's a harsh critic, you don't want the bad score on your sheet haha
Oh shit
my average was 2*
this one was so
ing long
HOW
he did not like it
Wtf 
Oh yeah
The atmosphere and the ending is so good but the character so slow
Alex rating is harsh and i had the TD game debuff
it just be like that, no hard feelings

💀
bandicam!?
which ones did Alex play?
the first game he played was Vedal's Secret 
I gave you a 4 average 
its definitely his favourite
kinda hard to live up to that
no wonder everyone else had such low scores
how did he rate tutel rancher?
uhh i cant remember but i think creativity was 5 or 4?
obs lags with the games i play so i had no choice
did you actually record every single one?
they kinda rated creativity higher on game genres they dont know. they seem to not know rancher type of games
damn, but cool tho
I feel like I gave 5 to creativity so often
with how creative some of these games are
yea every single neuro jam game i played so far
oh wait, next one for me is crazy robot body, nice
I do love when a game predicts what happened to the subathon
then i delete the recording for disk space
99999 is still too low
hopefully it won't take 35 minutes with basically 3 minutes of gameplay
should've added another 9
oh that game is a platformer hack and slash
Rated! 🙂
I guess you did not get a WebGL version working?
anyone have links to Vedal playing games
What's the game called? maybe I could try it out later too 
I already watched him play pub
unlucky, though I'm suprised other software runs better
oh did someone say plug
Plugging their game: https://g0urm3t.itch.io/neuro-sama-remnants-of-the-subathon
Thank you for the link!!
you got outplugged
https://voidbois.itch.io/troubleshooting popularity is dropping bois, gotta get those numbers up
What is secure pack?
finally got to 60
woohoo
Yeah but for what reason
For your game?
still double ours 

I plug harder
The characters and the background look like they come from different games
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211560
Imma plug mine
I agree
I do get quite a few non jam participants playing my game though, so I'm happy that people actually enjoy the short fluffy story in my game
literally playing it rn lol
Yeah, I am not saying that you should've given us 5/5, I am just salty you didn't 
same

