2024-game-jam

[rotund rampart]

would like Luderu's data point as well

[lavish escarp]

hilariously

i have to go rn to get to a statistics class

take care folk

[rotund rampart]

ayyy ask your teacher for his opinion on what the popularity on itch.io is based on

a professor can probably figure this out

[torpid bridge]

Okay good, they are literally one of the least popular games. But still messed up that even though we are 11th most rated, we aren't even 100th in popularity

[rotund rampart]

I'm second most rated and I'm 44th in popularity haha

[torpid bridge]

Exactly

[rotund rampart]

the curiosity to know is killing me, cause there's definitely a corelation

cause abandoned pub and most of the top 5 rated are also top 5 popular

[lavish escarp]

Compile all data into my DMs

[torpid bridge]

I think Popularity is a huge problem because less of a chance for games that deserve to be seen

[lavish escarp]

i have one class and one meeting after this

[lament ermine]

wow, this game's popularity dropped by a lot

[placid salmon]

It's not one specific thing, it's a combination of things, the data that you see is important but the hidden data from itchio is also important, I strongly believe reputation matters a lot because you could just create 1000 bots to see and play your game to cheat the system

[rotund rampart]

what was it?

[umbral adder]

You have unlocked new role

[lament ermine]

it used to be like top 20-25

[civic fractal]

that's useful right about now

[rotund rampart]

both my account and @lavish escarp account was created for this game jam

[civic fractal]

You got your embed perms!

[rotund rampart]

we had no prior interactions

[lament ermine]

how do team accounts work? the account itself is new, but admins have history

[placid salmon]

And my game is now third in popularity

[torpid bridge]

I'm literally advertising our game on every social I can

Oops didn't mean to reply

[placid salmon]

Recent accounts at best have 0 reputation so the algorithm doesn't care that much about them, I have 3 years and a lot of games published, I think even reviewing games and doing dev logs matter.

[placid salmon]

I think that the account that uploaded the game matters the most

[rotund rampart]

#2024-game-jam message

both accounts 0 reputation

also

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213278

this outlier once again

look through that account

once again no shade to anyone, I'm just trying to understand the data

its just interesting to go through data points and figuring things out

[civic fractal]

no shade taken, it's an interesting question

[placid salmon]

That and neuro64 are also a rare case for me, my theory is that important people played those games, the popularity rose, people wondered why those games where popular and interacted with them, increasing popularity even more

[rotund rampart]

@torpid bridge can you share your data as well?

[torpid bridge]

I mean, sure, but my account was created since last Game Jam

[rotund rampart]

the analytics one

[torpid bridge]

Oh yeah

[rotund rampart]

^ this

[marsh swan]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213022 Shameless plug of my own :D

[rotund rampart]

I think if popularity of players mattered, Fragmented would be much higher tbh

[rotund rampart]

I'll bookmark it and give it a play later

[torpid bridge]

Where do I view it

Mobile is weird with finding stuff

[marsh swan]

thank u <3

[rotund rampart]

idk how to find it on mobile either haha

[torpid bridge]

All I know is this

[civic fractal]

click on profile, dashboard, select analytics of game (why is the text so small)

[lament ermine]

I think on steam tags are pretty important, dunno how it is on itch tho

we got some views from the tags actually

[rotund rampart]

this theory might actually hold, cause most of the higher rated Visual Novel tagged games are in the middle

[charred hamlet]

We've had a few randoms find our game by tags, completely outside the jam

[placid salmon]

Or maybe it's just random because itchio knows browser games perform worse than download only, and this is just to give them a chance and not let every game be browser based.

[rotund rampart]

there's quite a few non browsers that have overall better data, like fragmented and evil's malice

[potent stirrup]

Our game is fairly high in popularity, and for our case it definetly could be site history, since my account is fairly old + has a lot of popular past submissions as a result of my asset packs.

[lament ermine]

fragmented gets alex boost, makes sense

[rotund rampart]

no i mean, in comparison to treasures of the sand

[placid salmon]

Fragmented is a game from Alex, that weights a lot

[lament ermine]

views have the same shape

[rotund rampart]

exactly my point, it has Alex boost and its still below 2 other non browser games with very little rates

[placid salmon]

I believe treasure of the sand was randomly picked by the algorithm

[lament ermine]

3 people found our game from google, did they search 'troubleshooting' and find our game instead

[rotund rampart]

I mean that would be very disingenous to the "popular" category and if that's the case, then its, statistics + a pinch of voodoo magic

[rotund rampart]

HAHAHA

[placid salmon]

Maybe they perform well outside of the game jam by the algorithm logic

[torpid bridge]

If you haven't played it yet or rated it yet, please do! Also make sure to let others know about it! I know most of the people who have the most popularity had people who saw the Livestream only and played their games https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212555

[rotund rampart]

for context @placid salmon https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213334
this is also above alex's game, and its download only as well

[lament ermine]

just by looking at it I feel like it's an outlier

[rotund rampart]

yea, so I'm collecting data points to see how it works haha

[rotund rampart]

there's 2 outliers

in the top 10

[placid salmon]

Yeah, I mentioned it earlier, I think those games perform well outside of the game jam, internally itchio shares them and users find them using tags, maybe they have a good ctr

[torpid bridge]

My games 11th most rated, but 159th most popular

[south hazel]

||can we not care about numbers and just have fun ||

[rotund rampart]

neither of them are here in the discord, which is why I'm trying to make an inference based on existing data points to see what these two "outliers" did right

and that's why I'm prioritizing the metric outside of jam

[rotund rampart]

oh oh, I'm just mathing

I'm not complaining

[south hazel]

ah

mb

[rotund rampart]

I'm genuinely curious and would like as much data point as I can get

[placid salmon]

The thing with game jams is that they end, I think itch cares more for games they think will still do good even after the game jam ends

[rotund rampart]

its mostly downtime for the chat anyway haha

[marsh swan]

did u also participate?

[south hazel]

no sadly but i do play the games and upload it to YT

[rotund rampart]

yes, so far the datapoints I'm using is from the game's analytics page, not the jam data

[marsh swan]

oh cool :D

[rotund rampart]

this specifically

[rotund rampart]

oh

[rotund rampart]

any ones you recommend?

[south hazel]

these 2 that i enjoyed atm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDi0X-KKb2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVg2FsYpooA

[placid salmon]

Yeah but that data is too simple, I believe that the visits by url and domain matter too

[marsh swan]

These sprites look so good! it was actually one of the first games i played

[torpid bridge]

Gotta hand it to Terrain

They really did an amazing job

[placid salmon]

But we may never know the true rules of the algorithm, the good things is that I have my perms and that's all that matters

[rotund rampart]

you should try this one
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212767

its very creative (but it requires you to expose your desktop if you're streaming it)

[south hazel]

expose your desktop
instant download

[rotund rampart]

ahaha yea, I just like collecting data and making inferences

[civic fractal]

That is so real

[south hazel]

booting up bandicam rn

gonna play some games while waiting for vod parts to download

[placid salmon]

The rabbit hole goes deep, nationality, gender, activity inside the page and a lot of more things probably matter too

[rotund rampart]

I think that's too intangible, activity inside the page can be inferred from comments and plays. I don't think most people exposes their gender to itch.io, and nationality karma is just weird for a site like this imo

but yea I don't have much to contribute to those points though

[placid salmon]

If they log in with a Google account they are

[rotund rampart]

I mean we're talking about a website that can just randomly die cause of Funko

I doubt they have people segmenting data like that

[placid salmon]

I guess so, maybe it's better not to know

[hollow compass]

Going to do a quick plug before I head to bed. Would love if you played my short game! https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213244

[rotund rampart]

I'll play this and leave a comment later!

[torpid bridge]

OH WAIT I CAN PLAY OUR GAME ON MOBILE

NEVERMIND OUR GAME IS MOBILE FRIENDLY AS WELL!!!

[lavish escarp]

Lol

[hollow compass]

Thank you!

[rotund rampart]

If its built on unity and you use the old input system, you don’t need any extra work for webgl to support mobile touch

[torpid bridge]

We used Godot

[rotund rampart]

Ah, then it probably follows the same logic of having mouse and touch be the same thing

[torpid bridge]

I completely forgot about that

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212555

[rotund rampart]

I think I have the answer, popularity is most likely impressions/views

[lavish escarp]

Should've put Booba in the thumbnail

[lavish escarp]

Understandable

[rotund rampart]

I did a simple experiment and farmed 1k impressions without much new views, and my popularity dropped

The correlation is more or less proven, now I just need to replicate the results

[lament ermine]

sacrifice in the name of science

[placid salmon]

Bro, if they don't play the game it ruins your ctr

[rotund rampart]

Its cool, I’m dying to know the metrics

[placid salmon]

My ctr skyrocketed to 4.16 with 15k impressions, crazy

I think that the clip that was uploaded to YouTube did a lot of heavy lifting

[lavish escarp]

I like how this channel went from gam devving to SEO optimisation cuz itch.io made the mistake of including an algorithm

[rotund rampart]

I got a second supporting relationship

[old adder]

seo optimizers 👉🚪

[rotund rampart]

Ever since we started talking about treasures of the sand, its been getting alot of impressions without views (theory is that it had very low impressions but high view count ratio from the start), it dropped 3 places

[misty tree]

what how do u do that

[old adder]

interestingly my game did not gain any notable views from vedal showing the game jam games

[lament ermine]

there'a site for that

[lament ermine]

smh viewers don't want to play the gamejam games

[lament ermine]

https://itchanalytics.vercel.app/

[old adder]

all this effort, for what?

[misty tree]

wow so helpful

[lavish escarp]

To get vedal to watch v*dolf fuck his mate as a tutel

Best part is he chose top for v*dolf

[lament ermine]

top 5% popularity = 500 views

[placid salmon]

Viewers didn't get to see my game because vedal quitted so it actually probably helped me more than if he actually played it fully

[lament ermine]

true that

[lavish escarp]

They wanna see the tutels breed firsthand

[rotund rampart]

Tbf

Your game has such a simple but effective catch to it

I played it like 6 times

And showed it to a couple friends a few times

[lavish escarp]

Your game and sea of memories have a lot of replayability

Since they're non linear, and you can win lots of diff ways

[misty tree]

wait i have less than 500 views but:
Your game ranked 12th in popularity. Thats top 4% in popularity.

[placid salmon]

He only had a 15% chance to get that turtle from 25, he was going to quit anyway because of the breeding so the fact that happened is destiny to me.
Also that turtle was the last boss of my detective Neuro game that I submitted last year and it appeared on stream so I didn't see why not add it again.

[rotund rampart]

Not to mention you don’t need alot of “neuroverse” lore to enjoy turtles mating

So it becomes very easy to recommend and click in

[lament ermine]

the last hour or two has been us trying to figure out the popularity metric works XD

[lavish escarp]

@placid salmon plug ur last year game pls

[earnest wind]

Mine is 13th in popularity and its not even a complete game, so take it with a grain of salt

[rotund rampart]

Impression over views, I did an experiment and have 2 conclusive data

[placid salmon]

Yeah, people can choose how to play it and that's good for retention, probably if they spend more time playing is better for the algorithm

[pale iron]

I got negative karma

[earnest wind]

But I'm surprised its that high, I didnt even promote it at all

[misty tree]

oh i see. i sense that the download number matters a lot for that

[lavish escarp]

Compared to my game which is linear, short, and difficult

Most people blast through the content

Or give up

[placid salmon]

https://ivchill.itch.io/detective-neuro-sama-and-the-lost-vedal

[lavish escarp]

Will try later

[misty tree]

you wanna see last years games? :3

[lavish escarp]

Yeah

[misty tree]

mine popped the heck off last year

https://holymuffin.itch.io/vedals-debt

[rotund rampart]

There’s a few factors to it, but overall visual novels and rpgs will have a popularity debuff

[placid salmon]

Instead of playing the game of someone you will make people play their own game

[lavish escarp]

I only started watching Neuro I think march this year

[misty tree]

and yet i didnt even rate high enough for vedal to play it lmao

[rotund rampart]

How many impressions

[placid salmon]

Interesting, I remember that game

[misty tree]

wait, last 7d? as in like, this week?

[rotund rampart]

Oh it only measures 7 days

Yea this week

Probably alot of people researching past jams

And people who clicked on it after abandoned r chive

[misty tree]

haha could be

[rotund rampart]

Iirc your game was one of the top in the visual category when I was doing research

[misty tree]

yea we were 4 on visual

[potent stirrup]

I can't seem to get through the part where you have to look outside the game for answers

[misty tree]

i do believe that screenshot i used as a cover massively drove clicks for me

[rotund rampart]

In your desktop there’s a new folder with txt files of neuro corpses

[misty tree]

i cant believe i almost didnt have a cover

[old adder]

yeah cover definitely makes a difference

[rotund rampart]

Hover over any corpse for the id and delete the corpse

[old adder]

next time i'll know

[potent stirrup]

covers are very important, spent a good amount of time on our cover

[lavish escarp]

I'm pretty happy with my cover

[misty tree]

sadly ato was more busy this year so i didnt get as much from him

but my roster is expanding!

i have more and more characters to use every year >:D

[old adder]

maybe ill ask my artist friend next time, she's not doing anything anyway

[lavish escarp]

Cover in question (plug) https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830

[misty tree]

behold my sprite collection

all by atorito, the guy a pixel wizard

[potent stirrup]

ig since we're all posting our data, if it will be helpful

[placid salmon]

It's usually the first thing I do before coding

[lavish escarp]

I did mine at the end using the assets from the game

Well an asset

[old adder]

real coders dont need graphics

[potent stirrup]

(keep in mind thou Vedal played our game so some of the stats is probably wierd.)

[earnest wind]

Just have it a screenshot of the title screen EZ

[lament ermine]

a whole year of analytics

[sage sapphire]

eyo that's really good

[misty tree]

i still think it would have been funny to use the screenshot of abandoned archive's steam page as my starting menu, but i sensed that would look make the game look jank and unprofessional xD

[lavish escarp]

I'm considering remaking the exact same game with the story fleshed out tho

[earnest wind]

very good sprites

[lavish escarp]

And with graphic done better

[slate mist]

its 4PM and sleepy

[old adder]

9am pot of coffee in hand

[sage sapphire]

time for a nap

[lavish escarp]

I bought aseprite for the first time for the game jam, and I've never made a 2d game before, I feel like over the game jam I learned how to actually make the game I wanna make

[slate mist]

im on duty T_T

[potent stirrup]

this game was actual cinema I loved it

[misty tree]

c: thank you

[sage sapphire]

it's almost 11 pm for me and I'm still working on fixing some game issues. Really liked the comments people gave helped me consider a better perspective

[lavish escarp]

Shit I'd never made a game. Period

[misty tree]

i didnt even get to finish so ill be updating it sometime soon

[lavish escarp]

Just some frameworks and player controllers and enemy scripts

[sage sapphire]

there's a first for everything

[misty tree]

stuff like the ellie and layna events that are missing, and im kinda thinking there ought be an evil neuro boss fight before the last room

[lavish escarp]

I'm astonished people enjoyed my game honestly

[sage sapphire]

rn I'm saving up some money for a DAW, I wanna get into music production for my games

[misty tree]

i also gave the dialogue some touchups already so it pauses a bit for punctuation and theres also a dialogue sound effect that i forgot to put in

[lament ermine]

use audacity clueless

[old adder]

if you are a programmer, sonicpi is cool. reaper also has a free trial and is very reasonably priced

sonicpi is free btw

[sage sapphire]

also, if you guys have any card game recommendations lmk trying to get into turn based games thanks to this gamejam

[misty tree]

i also need to brainstorm how i can sensibly add in lines that hint at the secret detail i didnt really explain properly that Jim Bag doesn't exist, and Neuro is just schizo

[rotund rampart]

yea, so far I think I can very confidently conclude that views/impression = popularity

[potent stirrup]

The sprite I made for this game jam was based on one I made over a year ago, and it was my first time drawing a pixel art Neuro, I think I improved a lot

[lament ermine]

I don't know about card games but have you tried 13 sentinels

[sage sapphire]

I do have audacity mostly use it for audio recording

[lament ermine]

I don't know about turn based but a cool card based game is Neon White

[sage sapphire]

oh I've heard of them but never played it myself

[junior elm]

slay the spire

[misty tree]

im a big fan of slay the spire, so much i made a knock off version of slay the spire myself

[lament ermine]

yeah I'm just trolling dw

[sage sapphire]

yooo, that's sick. it's smooth too

[placid salmon]

I always tried to finish games but I never achieved it until my first game jam, this is what I always recommend to begginer game devs

[sage sapphire]

oh I know, but there are some people that have done it as a challenge

[sage sapphire]

I'll add that too

[lavish escarp]

@placid salmon the time pressure is insane tho lol

[junior elm]

there are free good daws. reaper, for example

[placid salmon]

Inscryption or stack lands

[lament ermine]

I didn't do any art this year (I did programming instead) but here's something from last year (it never made it in the game)

[misty tree]

yoooo

looks sick

[sage sapphire]

I'll look into that I'm only familiar with fl studio and ableton live. I tried fami studio for chiptone music but I think it's too limiting for a beginner like me

[placid salmon]

That's the best part, if you can learn to create your own dead lines, you will be able to complete commercial games, I already made 2

[sage sapphire]

I've added those on my wishlist I only remembered inscryption cuz I watched markiplier play it

[lament ermine]

The time pressure also forces you to refine your workflow and get creative

[potent stirrup]

ohhh I remember your triple A game team

[lament ermine]

Last year I made a full 3d environment in a single day, that was fun

[lament ermine]

that team split into two this year

[misty tree]

CRAZY FN ROBOT BODY

[lament ermine]

one half made the Abandoned Pub

other made Troubleshooting

[potent stirrup]

Our team from last year I think went to three different teams

[sage sapphire]

damn, both were really good games too

[civic fractal]

In our case, two solo devs managed to pull in 6 other people.

[earnest wind]

Next year I'm def joinning a team this time, 3 day solo is way too short

[lavish escarp]

I think I'm gonna solo again tho

[misty tree]

im just happy i managed to pull the person i was looking forward to pulling the most, Milk Tea September

[sage sapphire]

Also, for the game a neuro who can't sing, I remembered bringing out my penlight when I heard the ost fun experience

[lament ermine]

[sage sapphire]

duality of devs

[rotund rampart]

hahaha

next year I'm getting a story writer and a second programmer and a sound guy

[placid salmon]

I couldn't pull even one

[lavish escarp]

I'm gonna get better at unity before the next one for sure tho a good bit of slowness was unfamiliarity with the scene system and unitys prefab and asset system

[lament ermine]

I join teams because I already do my own projects alone

[civic fractal]

We did pull outside the normal pool, we are nicknamed the #programming team for a reason.

[lavish escarp]

I spent too much time with the prefabs, now I'm a bit more experienced and know I could be way faster

[sage sapphire]

for me I'll need an artist and a musician splitting my attention from looking for reference art and audio samples took a large chunk of my time

[lament ermine]

and also I like meeting new people (or old ones too)

[lavish escarp]

I would be willing to find a musician tho

[old adder]

i have no idea how game jam would work with a team tbh especially if its not like artist and programmer

[rotund rampart]

what do you mean?

[old adder]

like how would two programmers really cooperate without slowign each other down

[lament ermine]

bigger the team the more important communication becomes

[rotund rampart]

oh, use interfaces

[earnest wind]

erm, use git?

[lament ermine]

trust me on that one

[rotund rampart]

have a lead programmer set up all the interface first, then have all the programmers build the services

[potent stirrup]

Usually for teams larger then 3 they have a manager / leader which helps too

[civic fractal]

Despite how massive our team was, we still only had one dev

[old adder]

fair fair

[sage sapphire]

if you'd consider me I'd be happy to fill a role on programming

[lament ermine]

If you have more than 2 of any role then you want a lead of that role

[old adder]

im used to doing rapid prototypes where i basically get a working prototype in a few hours and then do incremental improvements

[lament ermine]

lead dev, lead artist, etc

[rotund rampart]

ask again when we're closer to the date haha

[sage sapphire]

bet

[rotund rampart]

or just direct everything as the project leader, game jams are small, its manageable to have a single director

[lament ermine]

yea, true

[old adder]

sounds too much like work

[lament ermine]

it is

[rotund rampart]

it does ahaha

[sage sapphire]

I mean, gotta make sure everything is falling into place right?

[civic fractal]

I was co-leader, but we also had some people in charge of certain things even above us. A lot of our own ideas went in because of that, building around everyone's image of the game.

leader really just meant making sure we were in the correct direction.

[lament ermine]

one thing we did that I would recommend: when theme dropped, we had everyone go mute for 10 minutes to brainstorm solo, then come back with their ideas

[rotund rampart]

for any programmers who want to work in a team/want to form a team of programmers though, I highly suggest looking into service pattern

[placid salmon]

My experience with a team inside game jams is like this:
The first one I made most of the work and had to guide the team with a writer and a musician/sound designer, it was fun.
The other one I had a team with a solo dev and a musician, we didn't share the same vision with the other dev and the team dissolved but it was cool anyway, I wanted to take things easy but the other dev had a lot of passion since it was his first game jam and wanted to make a masterpiece.

[lament ermine]

It was a little intimidating having to learn other people's code yea

[placid salmon]

Both of our games turned out to be good btw, I like working with a team of 3 the most.

[lavish escarp]

I would get killed in a team, my code is apparently unreadable

[old adder]

tools handle my code formatting

[civic fractal]

I'd admit that in our case there was only one possible dev. Custom engine and all.

[rotund rampart]

once you have interfaces set up, team members can just do their own method of making things and it should stick, easily testable etc

[sage sapphire]

yea, code linters

[lament ermine]

that reminds me of my pirate jam, the other dev would not listen when I told him that his vision was too hard, or that we really needed to design a game loop from the beginning

[old adder]

formatters are different from linters

[lament ermine]

and man, he had a thing about changing or touching any of his work

[lavish escarp]

Extremely fucked variable names, cursed structures, the same codes and prefabs being used for like 7 different things

[rotund rampart]

ouch

[lament ermine]

I made a change to make the level less cluttered looking, being the artist role but he got upset

because I changed his shader

[sage sapphire]

oh wait, I forgot, formatters are those that automatically try to make it fit a coding style right?

[lament ermine]

that game jam was a disaster

[old adder]

yep, for python i use black, which has literally only one option (line length) lol

[lavish escarp]

God I still need to learn how shaders work I still have no fucking clue

[old adder]

love it ngl

[rotund rampart]

learn HLSL

[waxen wasp]

GLSL ^

[sage sapphire]

damn, yea the one instance a teammate can screw you over

[old adder]

oh boy thats a good reason not to do anything with shaders during game jam i looked at my engine's documentation and was like yeah nah

[old adder]

always remember you are there to have fun and if y ou are not having fun whats the point

[lament ermine]

there is some rng yea

[lavish escarp]

I tried to implement a shader but was like nah fuck I got no time to learn this within game jam since I have 0 experience with them

[rotund rampart]

GLSL makes more sense yea

[potent stirrup]

using a custom engine for a game-jam is crazy, I respect it

[lavish escarp]

Scenes was okay enough, pretty easy

[placid salmon]

Yeah, working with a team sometimes involves compromising your artistic vision

[waxen wasp]

i dont mind people touching my code, but i was the only person who understood how the engine worked.
so nobody was able to help and the programming is barely functional

[lament ermine]

both unity and unreal have graph editors for shaders, you don't need glsl or hlsl for them

[lavish escarp]

Projectiles and controllers I have experience with so that didn't take too long

Animations too

Shaders

Fucking 0

[rotund rampart]

I find the shader graphs pretty limiting sometimes, but maybe cause I don't explore it enough, I mostly just use hlsl in unity

[lament ermine]

agreed, some times one is just not cooking

[fringe star]

yeah, gotta respect it

[rotund rampart]

you just need a dictator

[fringe star]

how bout a "lead" instead

wait not that kind

[sage sapphire]

yups, also learning something new too cuz ngl I was also in that end once me and my friends joined a game jam and it was the first time I tried using git and version control. my friend showed me how much spaghetti I made that we had to scrap the game and try again next time

[placid salmon]

That's usually me against myself, can't hurt other people if you are alone, but man do I get near death experience after finishing a jam

[lament ermine]

in this case, the one who was not cooking was him, he wanted to go with an elemental theme when the theme was shadows and had this concept of the whole ass environment changing when we picked up items, like firestorms and shit

[old adder]

honestly, people complain about this sorta stuff when they talk about their actual jobs, but for a fun hobby thing its insane

[lament ermine]

I mean, I think game jams are going to be sweaty no matter what

[rotund rampart]

Who the heck is searching for
"Do AIs Dream of Electric Turtles" on baidu.com

[placid salmon]

People can be prideful, I agree that he should have let you cook instead tho

[lament ermine]

the fun to be had is completing the challenge

[sage sapphire]

wait wut?

[lament ermine]

we had some people from baidu too!

[old adder]

i mean vedal has the bilibili stream

[placid salmon]

I'm not doing this for fun or hobby tho, but I'm happy for the people that do

[rotund rampart]

OMG

I'M CHINESE

[old adder]

[rotund rampart]

I have an untapped market to get rates

[placid salmon]

True, a bigger team gets a bigger scope

[rotund rampart]

any idea where that community is?

[lament ermine]

agreed

[old adder]

if you are chinese shouldnt you know

[pale iron]

China

[old adder]

maybe check weibo first

[pale iron]

Go there in person and promote your game

[empty plaza]

Some guys will post things on tieba, sort of a chinese version of reddit

[rotund rampart]

I mean I don't really speak it, but I'll fumble my way in somehow

[empty plaza]

TBH I think most chinese swarm just go posting under the bilibili clips

[old adder]

oh you mean you arent in china

[sage sapphire]

Oh wait, I also got one it seems

[old adder]

i guess that makes sense

[lament ermine]

did any of the chinese swarm make a submission, I wonder

[placid salmon]

I join game jams to get more popularity and followers so I can sell more games and also get data of what will perform best when developing games, this is a job for me

[lament ermine]

...I also happen to want to sell a game

it's not done yet tho

[old adder]

i guess i didnt know people did that

[placid salmon]

Of course helping other devs that are starting is really cool too

[rotund rampart]

I just like Neurosama

[molten shadow]

make a paid game jam game power move

[rotund rampart]

[sage sapphire]

same here but I also like neuro so this is just a plus

[rotund rampart]

if we get a game jam for evil's birthday, I'll triple my team

[misty tree]

i pretty much just join neuro jam cuz its an excuse to get neuro themed stuff haha

[earnest wind]

Haha yeah evil's birthday will be eventful

[rotund rampart]

EXACTLY

[sage sapphire]

valid

[old adder]

when's evils birthday?

[rotund rampart]

March 25

[lament ermine]

I wonder if it's possible to assemble a whole ass studio

[old adder]

alright i'll make sure to forget that

[sage sapphire]

we are the studio

[lament ermine]

like 50 people team

[civic fractal]

[lament ermine]

that would be so chaotic

[misty tree]

imagine we all made one giant submission and automatically won

[old adder]

all in voice chat

[misty tree]

and we all get lava lamps c:

[placid salmon]

I hope it goes well, feel free to share it once it's finished

[old adder]

meowing

[rotund rampart]

I think i can handle the infrastructure for a 50 man team if we have people who want to do it haha

[civic fractal]

That checks out

[rotund rampart]

but for a 3 day jam, its gonna be 2 days of work at max

[sage sapphire]

[earnest wind]

I think 3 days would be way too short for a 50 mans

maybe a week jam

[rotund rampart]

if you cram 24 hours of planning, it can work

[old adder]

back when we had a public voice channel on a game server, we had like 20-30 people there meowing when game was down

[sage sapphire]

technically we'll cover all time zones so the game is always in production

[lament ermine]

Oh, yeah, btw we are open sourcing our game and turning it into a community project

[rotund rampart]

but it wouldn't be great and just 1 guy screwing up is bad

[lament ermine]

or at least we want to

first we want to polish it

[rotund rampart]

what makes you think I slept in that 3 days HAHA

[placid salmon]

The truth is that I like Evil more than Neuro

[earnest wind]

🙏 Please make next year jam a week long

[lament ermine]

but later we want to make the gdd of the original idea and ask neurocord to join in

[lament ermine]

same

[rotund rampart]

me too

[old adder]

well you gotta sleep so your brain works and you can work more effectively

i think i slept more than i worked on my game

[rotund rampart]

I REALLY wanted to do an evil themed game, but Neuro just makes so much more sense for the subathon and theme of the jam

[sage sapphire]

I can do more in a week than in 3 days at least solo

[lament ermine]

also, my brain cooked best every time I took a break

[sage sapphire]

damn, and here I am making a game revolving around evil

[rotund rampart]

I think 3 days is due to Vedal severly underestimating the length of this subathon

hopefully he has more confidence to give us a week long jam this year

[earnest wind]

tbh I dont think anyone expected the timer to explode like that

[lament ermine]

neuro isn't even mentioned in the current state of our game

[sage sapphire]

same ngl, the swarm surprises me sometimes

[lament ermine]

oh, she was mentioned in dialogue a couple times I think

[placid salmon]

Exactly, that's why she's always the protagonist in my games but evil is always in the game too

[sage sapphire]

then she exists

[rotund rampart]

which is why if there is a game jam for evil's birthday, I'm gonna assemble an avengers level team

[sage sapphire]

[lament ermine]

original concept had Neuro dead which is why we play as Evil

now Neuro is the villain

[rotund rampart]

while we have conversations going
mandatory game plug
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213059

[waxen wasp]

plug time
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213324

we are hoping to start an advertising campaign by posting the OST on youtube
we just need names for the songs

[rotund rampart]

Neuro-song.wav

[lament ermine]

https://voidbois.itch.io/troubleshooting

[sage sapphire]

welp I'm off to bed, night night

[rotund rampart]

how long is this again? been on my radar and bookmarked but haven't gotten to it cause I worry its long

[lament ermine]

I wonder if any one made Vivy reference with the music stuff

[old adder]

play it, its not long at all iirc

its great

[lament ermine]

people were complaining about it being too short

which is totally fair

because it is

[old adder]

anyway uhm...

[waxen wasp]

azaka mixed it for us, its currently called 2024-12-29-Project_1-04-8.5-GameMaster.wav

there's also a streaming master

[sage sapphire]

15-20 mins, shorter if you rush for completion instead of looking around the directories

[rotund rampart]

that's a good sign innit, that means people want more haha, mine is 10~ minutes and nobody asked for more

[lament ermine]

(we spent first two days on systems and had to change them )

my friend was intimidated by the clock that does nothing

[old adder]

featuring minawan (thats YOU!), reviewed as "laggy as frick but cool weapon concept" by many, "surviwan" is now out on itch.io and waiting for minawan! wanwan! https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211255

[rotund rampart]

I had to disable 2 timers that did nothing at before submission too hahaha

[fringe star]

just wondering, is anny supposed to be the only enemy? cuz i want to play more of it

[lament ermine]

yeah agreed, I was happy about that too

[silver veldt]

guys, HELP, I have no idea how to beat neuro wars level 8, I keep pressing 'next turn' and have surpassed turn 50 for a while now...

[fringe star]

LOOOOL

[lament ermine]

I left it in because I thought it might add to the atmosphere

[fringe star]

SOFT LOCKED

[silver veldt]

how to beat this leve???

[fringe star]

kill the boxes, you blocked the enemy from spawning units'

[silver veldt]

oh, I thought the boxes just spawn kill them

thanks

[old adder]

i really shouldve added the wan sound tbh

[fringe star]

they arent spawning so the pre planned attackwaves are not decreasing. and to beat clear the map the preplanned attack waves should be zero, no enemies in the map, and enemy bases are blocked

[old adder]

maybe every time your score gets a 1 in it

[old adder]

so uhh the player is too good?

[lament ermine]

classic

[fringe star]

the player decided cheese is not enough, proceeds to softlock with extra grilled cheese

[lavish escarp]

I like how beloved Cerber is in this community

[old adder]

man i love cerber

[fringe star]

she deserves it

[lavish escarp]

MILC

Mirrorless interchangable lens camera

[old adder]

cerber is cute pass it on

[lavish escarp]

Huh, I wonder if anyone ended up finding my photography through the game jam

I used the credits section of my itch page to plug my photography

I'm plug king

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830

[old adder]

amazingly i think someone actually clicked the links in my description for source code etc

[lavish escarp]

I really wanted to include a rickroll

[old adder]

my repo has been cloned three times!

[lavish escarp]

It's interesting to me you guys want to make your games open source

[lament ermine]

why didn't you

[old adder]

well i licensed it non-commercial

[lavish escarp]

Ic

[lavish escarp]

Time constraints

[lament ermine]

ah

say no more

[old adder]

i wonder how many games for next jam will launch vrchat

[silver veldt]

I decided I would just bully them one by one

[earnest wind]

Nah, after what Alex did, Vedal is 100% gonna play anything behind a VM now

[fringe star]

LOL

[old adder]

i mean as he should

or sandbox

[earnest wind]

well not that what alex did changed that anyway

[old adder]

fwiw ive used sandboxie, worked great for games back when it was paid at least

and super easy setup

[fringe star]

just have fun and thats fine with me

[old adder]

https://sandboxie-plus.com/ i guess its open source not

maybe a mod should tell him about that

[rotund rampart]

@old adder I don't understand how to play

surviwan

[old adder]

uhhhh

wasd to move, mouse to attack

if you need further pointers ||inventory is at the bottom||

[rotund rampart]

how do I kill them fast enough without my pc lagging from spawns

[old adder]

sorry i think you'll have to wait for me to remake that in different engine

[rotund rampart]

its okay, its pretty fun haha

I'll rate it in abit

gonna go get coffee

[old adder]

tbh its not as bad as the prototype i made like 5 years ago in pygame

[lavish escarp]

Turns out I have 2 meetings 1 hour apart

Instead of just the one

Fuck me

[old adder]

i still have one week til work starts

[rotund rampart]

quick, call in sick

[lavish escarp]

Nah it's an important one

I'm fucking

[old adder]

customer meet?

[lavish escarp]

Internship dealio

[old adder]

ahh

[lavish escarp]

I also have another piece of work to finish up to send to a client

[rotund rampart]

hurray work

[lavish escarp]

Haha no

On the bright side I am done with the hard part of that work

But I'm so lazy

I also need to replace the Mobo on my desktop

And get new fitted sheets

I love being an adult

[old adder]

it only gets better

[lavish escarp]

Fucken better

I mean it's not so bad honestly just a couple things I need to do

There's cheese in the fridge and bread on the shelf

Well no I didn't put the bread back earlier it's probably bread on the bed

[old adder]

[waxen wasp]

bread on the bed?

[sage canyon]

even though submissions are done i've just been fixing my game waiting to update after the game jam

[lavish escarp]

Bread on the bed

[waxen wasp]

bread on the bed

[lavish escarp]

My flatmates are knobs I keep my bread in my room

[waxen wasp]

weegee is making a vid for the song, and we're trying to come up with a name.
release shouldn't be too far away

im close to fixing the game's cutscenes

[rotund rampart]

Good morning y’all

[waxen trail]

Good morning @rotund rampart !!

[rotund rampart]

Good chance for vedal to play your game today

[waxen trail]

Will he play more jam games today? thought today is minecraft day

Would be sick though

[waxen wasp]

he cant play minecraft all day right? right?

[old adder]

let neuro play minecraft while he plays jams

[native chasm]

which would be on stream?

[crystal tinsel]

Neuro could play in a picture in picture frame.

[waxen wasp]

people would complain about who is in the main and who is in the secondary spot in the pip

[old adder]

people could go watch someone else

[tardy geyser]

i backread the chat and just wanted to say to keep it up! from figuring out the popularity algo to reflecting on your games, this chat is awesome

as for the duration, 3 days is really short and the start date isn't very ideal, but you gotta admit that the time constraint helped you sharpen your vision to the essentials

it is really rough though, so good job

[lavish escarp]

the time constraint helped me do anything at all

[unborn kelp]

I think Neuro War is the best one, who's agree with me

[lavish escarp]

i like sea of memories

cant wait for vedal to get through a lot more of the games

[unborn kelp]

yeah

All games are full of love

[somber slate]

I feel like it starting on boxing day would've been better because I believe it is actually a holiday in certain countries

[quick badger]

the time limit was fun yes, I wouldn't have been able to sleep as little as I did if it had been longer x)

[tame rapids]

yeah, but many people would prefer to spend that time with their families

[unborn kelp]

careful bro

[tardy geyser]

after it was over i had the longest sleep in the whole year

was almost late to the 2pm start time

[quick badger]

Yee I'm sleeping like a baby now xD

since people where posting them earlier, here's an example of me messing up the marketing part x) I think this is the lowest CTR I've seen here

[fringe star]

really happy that you think that about my work

however, i still believe the abandoned pub are leagues above me

[fringe star]

katsu is trying to solve how the systems works in itch

just gonna drop this for katsudondx

[native chasm]

In case someone wants to go and rate all the games, I've decided to make a spreadsheet with them sorted by submission order. Idk if that's gonna be helpful but I hope so
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z44HCtTF3H-D5a-vUYDg1FdsKCQAIZFtRkzVel3K8OE/edit?usp=sharing

[quick badger]

My CTR is probably so bad because this was my cover picture for over 2 days, very dark and monotone, not that eye catching, hard to tell what's going on

I've been seeing a lot more natural reviews/visits since I've updated it

[native chasm]

oh wait I skipped a row there

[potent stirrup]

btw did you also submit a game?

[rotund rampart]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213367
This one

[hasty drift]

I played that one

[rotund rampart]

Oh @hasty drift you’re here, can you share your analytics with me? Want to confirm if my inference about popularity is correct

[hasty drift]

I am at the gym rn

[rotund rampart]

[hasty drift]

Just lurking between sets

[rotund rampart]

Thanks! I’ll look through the data again when I’m free later

[native chasm]

I think I fixed it so if anyone needs u can just download sheet and use ig
not sure if it even is needed tbh

[lament ermine]

If you have voting acc it does tell you which ones you rated

[native chasm]

Ik but I just thought a list like that might be useful

[waxen wasp]

daily plug
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213324
i made a fixed version, link is in the games description.
it just fixes the animations, no difference in gameplay.

[native chasm]

I'll also plug ig
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213344

btw we are only 120 rates away from average 10 rates per game

[sharp hearth]

@civic fractal hehe
anyway theres some problem with your game and opera but i just switched to firefox and it runs fine

[waxen wasp]

noooo

my collision system

[sharp hearth]

on opera your game will absolutely shit itself in ways i have never seen before

[buoyant flower]

the audio dragging part isn't working so well...

[waxen wasp]

is it not?

what is the problem?

[buoyant flower]

If I move my mouse too quickly, it stops dragging

[waxen wasp]

ohhhh

it works localy cuz it runs at 2000fps, but im web its limited to vsync

[sharp hearth]

the music is FIRE???!!!

[waxen wasp]

it is, we're releasing it to youtube

they did an incredible job

[sharp hearth]

🔥 music

[verbal garnet]

Erm 2000 fps?

[waxen wasp]

ye, 2000fps

in python

it is possible

[verbal garnet]

did you consider, uhm, capping it?

[sharp hearth]

tutel boss man pls play this game on stream

[waxen wasp]

nah, even at 2000 its only using 30% of my 3060ti

[waxen wasp]

[sharp hearth]

the 2k fps probably has to do with opera shitting itself

[waxen wasp]

oh, ye imma add a cap then

[sharp hearth]

drops to 15 fps, game completely freezes, then proceedes to freeze and crash my entire browser

i think just add a disclaimer to not play the game on opera

[waxen wasp]

google limits it to vsync, which is 165 in my case

[sharp hearth]

idk about other browsers

firefox works fine

[waxen wasp]

i tested chrome and firefox, never opera tho

[sharp hearth]

thats understandable

i wouldnt expect yall to make it work for everything in such a short time frame

[rotund rampart]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211600

Self plug while I’m away

Oh wait that’s not mine

[sharp hearth]

lmaoo

[rotund rampart]

Self plug 2.0

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213059

[fringe star]

my game is built to run on 30fps and only 30fps, i dont know why some people say its lagging in firefox

[waxen wasp]

people might be mistaking the 30fps as lag

or there is actually lag in firefox, but idk. you'd have to test it

[fringe star]

okies

HOLY SHIT HOW DO PEOPLE PLAY ON FIREFOX???

its like moving at half speed as chrome

[buoyant flower]

Can't say I felt the game was laggy.

[unreal plinth]

Anyone know who this is? Dying to know what feedback they wanted to give, but they never followed up after I replied

[waxen wasp]

his or mine?

[hasty drift]

Linking movement to framerate is a classic

[buoyant flower]

Yours? Ah - I see.

[waxen wasp]

its not laggy anymore, in the fixed version

but if you play the game-jam version:
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213324

[crystal tinsel]

Neuro hiding in your walls POV

[waxen wasp]

not the first time this happened tbh

in the alpha version after minigame 1 you would spawn on the chair, and could then parkour over the wall

[sharp hearth]

jump on the table then the monitor then you phase through the ceiling and cant get back in

[hasty drift]

Neuro (plush) lives rent free

[sharp hearth]

but you can still interact with the stuff so its not softlocked

[waxen wasp]

shit, that does indeed work to get out of bounds

i cant fix that, would require changing the 3D models

fuck it, its a feature

[fringe sail]

My high score in life dream memory. Can anyone beat it?

[waxen wasp]

feels like an ad

[fringe sail]

It's not intended to be, but I guess in a way it is

I just like competition

[waxen wasp]

fixed 👍 , also added to 60fps cap
give me 2 min to upload to itch

the slider in minigame 3 has the same issue

F

[fringe star]

oh so challenges, i challenge you to beat mission 1, mission 2 and mission 3 on the first turn
https://ishinada.itch.io/neuro-wars

[fringe sail]

Super pinball rouge

Level 4 noob vs level 100 pro

[waxen wasp]

brother, do you know what a screenshot is?

[fringe sail]

Yes, but taking them on my PC is annoying

[waxen wasp]

youu dont have to take a picture of your screen, they have a solution for that

[waxen wasp]

is it?

[fringe sail]

Yes. I usually do stuff on my phone

[waxen wasp]

i feel like most OS handle screenshots pretty well

[quick badger]

if you're on window you can window+shift+s to select a chunck of your screen to sreenshot

[fringe sail]

Thanks. That's actually helpful, because I only knew how to do the whole screen, meaning I had to crop everything else out

[quick badger]

np, I abuse this shortcut daily x)

[sharp hearth]

Windows shift s saves it to clipboard

[molten shadow]

is this user on the server?

[sharp hearth]

So you can just control v into discord to send the image

[molten shadow]

just wanted to contact them regarding a bug

[sharp hearth]

Incredibly helpful

[waxen wasp]

probably ye, just dont know who

[quick badger]

and if you need to save the image to file you can find it in your notifications on the bottom left of your screen, there's a save option after you click on it

bottom right*

It's just a goated feature all over

[rotund rampart]

I played this one, it was pretty good

[quick badger]

ty

[fringe star]

100% agree, its a fun concept for a rougelike/lite? that makes use of player choice for stats/items and movement for the walking sections to avoid enemies, is so good

i cant explain it properly, but dodging enemies with movement is harder and feels great when you succeed

[native chasm]

where do u check that stuff btw

[molten shadow]

oh wow my team's game made front page im so happy there's a chance vedal will play it

[fringe star]

analytics

[buoyant flower]

I've played though this game too, was quite fun - albeit a bit short. Was expecting something like a boss fight.

[fringe star]

[native chasm]

that stuff right?

[waxen wasp]

wrong screenshot?

[fringe star]

yep

[rotund rampart]

@lavish escarp if you got a second can you send me your most updated analytics?

[quick badger]

yeah I was planning on it, but I spent a lot of time squashing bugs (and making a 3d card render for some reason) so the amount of content suffered from it

[fringe star]

ah no im showing like the button to get to analytics

[quick badger]

A good lesson for the next gamejam I participate in

[native chasm]

almost twice more than mine xd

[rotund rampart]

what I DO know for a fact is that CTR has nothing to do with popularity

[waxen wasp]

oh, i usualy check via dashboard.

my bad

[quick badger]

yeah CTR is just a way to tell how good your cover image and game name are, not really reflective of the actual game

[fringe star]

whats ctr anyways?

[buoyant flower]

Click through rate - how many people see your game & thumbnail, and how many actually click.

[rotund rampart]

my numbers went up quite abit after some experimentation since yesterday and my popularity dropped by 3 ranks

[quick badger]

click through rate, the proportion of people that saw your game in their searches and decided to click on it

[lavish escarp]

i wonder why my game has so many downlaods tho ngl

[rotund rampart]

the only data that gives this result is definitely the relationship between impression and views

[quick badger]

so 3% ctr means that 3% of people that saw your game clicked on it

[lavish escarp]

26 is a lot for a game with WebGL support

[buoyant flower]

Generally, a low CTR means you need to improve your thumbnail, name, or something else.

[rotund rampart]

true

[rotund rampart]

yes

[lavish escarp]

i know it has an added difficulty mode in downloaded

but

damn

[rotund rampart]

I mean that explains it haha

next year I definitely won't be making a Visual Novel though

based on the data collected, VN has a debuff on popularity

[lavish escarp]

depends on my skillset next year

what i make

[rotund rampart]

watch me make an mmo in 3 days

[lavish escarp]

this year was a 2d roguelite because my art skillset was most developed in 2d pixel animation

[waxen trail]

There was that one multiplayer game last jam

[small radish]

"guys i'm making a evolution based dragon mmorpg" or whatever the meme was

[rotund rampart]

neuro awake lets gooo

[waxen trail]

It was awesome, we had to team up in the jam channel to playtest it together

[lavish escarp]

by next year i hope im competent enough at 3d modelling to speedrun making a 3d game in game jam hours

[rotund rampart]

link

[rotund rampart]

learn low poly modelling

[fringe star]

for me i hope i get good enough to add the mechanics i was intending to add

[waxen wasp]

fixed too

[lavish escarp]

ive made 3d models before

im just slow

compared to 2d pixel animation where i can speedrun

[old adder]

oh my god im falling asleep but surely he is going to play more games today

[waxen trail]

https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449266

This one

[waxen wasp]

oh ye, i played toghether with yall

[rotund rampart]

Its probably gonna be awhile before he gets ready to do content, go nap haha

[old adder]

i havent slept in like 30 hours i dont think a "nap" is gonna cut it

[waxen trail]

Good times I remember it fondly

[waxen wasp]

same

[rotund rampart]

Nap^2

[fringe star]

4 mechanics i failed to add in the game jam

• ridable vehicles, empty vehicle, place a unit, it becomes yours, they can join platoons
• fog of war + vision
• platoon spawning (different units can form a platoon on a single tile)
  ex. evil and 4 tankers can be placed on a single tile, they share all stats
• decent enemy ai

[waxen trail]

You should sleep for 8 hours, let's be realistic, he said minecraft today iirc + the jam entries can be pretty long and tutel pops in later usually

[buoyant flower]

Uh. I've gotten the neuro-ball stuck on top of the neuro-erm.

[old adder]

oh if hes playing minecraft then yeah

[waxen wasp]

you can always watch the vod

[old adder]

gnight

[fringe star]

gnight unmoon

[waxen trail]

Sleep well! 👋

[quick badger]

I might be immagining it, but it feels like looking at the submission in a random order is influenced by the karma raking

[waxen trail]

Yeah just rewatched the vod and Vedal says: "We'll play more jam games at some point" AKA never. Or tomorrow maybe

[quick badger]

Like it feels like games at the top of karma are often also the top of random

maybe it was a coincidence tho

[waxen trail]

I think that's how itch jams work!

So the more entries you rate the more you get rewarded for it

[rotund rampart]

Is this neuro ball?

[unreal plinth]

Not really seeing that myself, the top 5 karma haven't shown up in the top 10 random in the 10 refreshes I just did

[rotund rampart]

Ah I forgot to remove my link in reddit and I got alot of impressions that isn’t converting into plays, rip popularity

[quick badger]

I mean then again hard to tell either way could be bad luck

[buoyant flower]

yes

[signal monolith]

don't downloads and plays increase popularity?

[quick badger]

I saw that mentioned on the karma stat but do we know how you get rewarded? it's not clearly stated from what I recall

[rotund rampart]

Press Q to shake screen

[rotund rampart]

Views/Impressions

[buoyant flower]

I figured that one out once I found out ESC brings up the menu with a list of controls.

[waxen trail]

Yeah honestly no clue

I think it has some positive effect though

[rotund rampart]

I’ll show you my data in a sec

[signal monolith]

thx

[fallen furnace]

It was me and some friends. As for the popularity, it should not have been this high, that's for sure.

[fringe star]

heres mine just in case

[signal monolith]

CTR is bigger better or lower better?

[lament ermine]

Bigger

[quick badger]

4.5% ctr is huge, damn

[lament ermine]

Apparently, 1 percent is normal, 2 percent is good, 3 and above is great

[fringe star]

[waxen wasp]

these are ours

[quick badger]

I feel like in this jam the ctr is bigger than avergae

seen a lot of 4%+

[rotund rampart]

this was the comparison in the past 5 hours or so

[signal monolith]

ez, one promile better

[fringe star]

this is my first game jam ever

[rotund rampart]

the one with 11k impressions dropped 3 popularity rank

and in between I dropped 1 rank during 10k

[lament ermine]

Our updated stats: 615 views, 25 downloads, 347 browser plays, 14.3k impressions and 2.34 percent ctr

[native chasm]

mine is bad for statistics then

[small radish]

[quick badger]

oof

[rotund rampart]

so the only thing I can tell is that if impressions go up way faster than plays/downloads/views (one or mix of all 3), you drop in popularity

[native chasm]

same
which one was yours, again?

[small radish]

thinking of adding a red circle to the "thumbnail" image

[quick badger]

you could always try to change the cover art and see if that helps

[fringe star]

neurowars, the one with no sounds

[rotund rampart]

I had 2 case studies to support it as well, but I really want the data from a few more people near my popularity rank to further narrow down, but right now I'm assuming popularity = impression/views

[small radish]

hey, the one with no sound is mine as well

[lament ermine]

Our popularity is holding steady at rank 15

[native chasm]

ohh that was good one, first gamejam??

[fringe star]

yep

[native chasm]

cool

[torpid bridge]

We are slowly but surely rising

[rotund rampart]

what numbers changed from a few hours ago?

[signal monolith]

So I need more clickbait cover image lol

[quick badger]

I'm rank 27 rating but 149 popularity

[rotund rampart]

I think we need more purposeful marketing

and also genre

[lament ermine]

Views and impressions

Increased

[rotund rampart]

were they somewhat proportional

do you have the data from before and after?

[lament ermine]

I sent screenshots before

[torpid bridge]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212555 play and rank if you haven't yet!

[lament ermine]

The ctr is roughly the same

[rotund rampart]

this one is quite promising

[lament ermine]

It increased by like .09 percent

[rotund rampart]

CTR affecting popularity has already been ruled out

my Ctr went up by lik 0.8

and I still went down in popularity haha

[signal monolith]

imma promote it on reddit lol

[rotund rampart]

no

promoting it on reddit dropped my popularity significantly

[lament ermine]

We also got some more browser plays

[rotund rampart]

cause if it gets to the front page, you're getting impressions and no clicks

[torpid bridge]

Our game can be played on a phone

[rotund rampart]

which is in theory the leading reason my popularity dropped quite abit

[lament ermine]

Just share screenshots of your game and include link in comment

Ez

[signal monolith]

weren't you like top 10 before?

[waxen wasp]

our game could be played on phone if we had on screen WASD buttons

it does render on phone

[rotund rampart]

nah my popularity was always low

[quick badger]

to me it kinda feels like popularity is really more about ctr outside of the gamejam, so the games that appeal to the general itch.io community than the ones that get a lot of ratings for the jam

[rotund rampart]

I'm 2nd most rated though

[lament ermine]

Ours could top if we had an enter button

*too

[rotund rampart]

I'm gonna keep my post on reddit though, I prefer having more people just playing and enjoying the game than a popularity contest haha

[signal monolith]

I'm much better in most rated than popularity

[lament ermine]

Most likely you'll end up higher on the final ranking

[rotund rampart]

yea but tutel isn't gonna see my game

but that's fine

[torpid bridge]

I still remember the one team who decided to submit their game to tons of Game Jams, not even reading the rules of the GameJam

[lament ermine]

Especially given what we know of the kurtosis

[small radish]

where did you get this info from again? was it like a site someone posted here a couple of days ago or smth?

[torpid bridge]

Yeah lemme get the site

[unreal plinth]

https://itchanalytics.vercel.app/jam/neuro/3210589

[small radish]

big thanks

[unreal plinth]

(Replace the id in the url with your own)

[proper bronze]

has anyone played Groggs Quest

[small radish]

i did, but yours had way better stats so i unreplaced it and will pretend these are my stats now

[rotund rampart]

gotta up my coolness to be a chill guy

[rotund rampart]

I think I did

[unreal plinth]

My only good stat is my coolness

[lament ermine]

Basically have double the number of ratings as us lol

[rotund rampart]

I'm about 10 place below in popularity though haha

[lament ermine]

Yea, but Vedal has like twelve days on the timer

[fringe star]

havent voted much cuz i cant play, think i accidentally gave my self carpel tunnel for 64 hours of working on the game

[unreal plinth]

Been playing so many games so my coolness and karma are super high (#2 in coolness last I checked), but everything else is around the middle of the pack

[proper bronze]

[torpid bridge]

Oof that's rough buddy

[fringe star]

NAME

[rotund rampart]

grogg quest

[lament ermine]

We were there last year with neuroshock, know how it feels

[proper bronze]

tbf we were inexperienced with Unity, I think art and music was good tho

[signal monolith]

I've noticed commenting under other games is good for getting rating, imma review all the games in the gamejam rn lol

[unreal plinth]

Always gotta have a WebGL build if you can also, gives a huge boost in ratings

[small radish]

yeup

[waxen wasp]

12

[signal monolith]

imma be the coolest person ever

[lament ermine]

I think our game would be a solid A tier entry.

[signal monolith]

cool % speedrun

[quick badger]

soon I'll be cooler B)

[proper bronze]

yeah i told cloudburst that we should but we didn't have time
we were scrambling to get a MVP out

[unreal plinth]

oh damn, you're catching up

#1 in coolness is like 102 when I last checked

[rotund rampart]

Visual Novel debuff, its somewhat unpopular because people assume its going to be time consuming, so they either hold it off or just skip it entirely

[lament ermine]

Huh

[rotund rampart]

with 280+ games to rate, most people will pass on things they think they can't get a full experience of above 20 minutes

[lament ermine]

So in theory, as time goes on people will play it more?

[rotund rampart]

yea

in theory

[lament ermine]

Well, our games views has been holding stable

[unreal plinth]

Here it is, the 102 coolness one: https://itchanalytics.vercel.app/jam/neuro/3213340

[quick badger]

Honestly I might just do it weirdly but I've been selecting my games randomly

[rotund rampart]

all the "good" visual novels are kinda in the middle of the pack

[torpid bridge]

Our game is a strategy combat game inspired by Medabots, so that's probably why we are ranking pretty high

[rotund rampart]

*middle top

like evil in time, troubleshooting etc

[quick badger]

I don't really consider how long they might be

[earnest wind]

oh we sharing stats? here's mine

[quick badger]

only thing is that I'm holding off on downloadable games so that i can go through them all at once in the itchio app

[unreal plinth]

I've been mainly grinding out the least rated for web, gotta give some attention to some others apart from the top ones

[rotund rampart]

oh mico, can I have your views and impression analytics?

[rotund rampart]

I still have a whole list to go through before I can rate smaller games

[native chasm]

is that previous gamejam?

[lament ermine]

Huh, you're kinda right. Evil in time, webphishing, keepsakes, neuro-sama are all around the same spots

[waxen wasp]

nope, this one

[rotund rampart]

yep

[native chasm]

where do I see that

[rotund rampart]

data suggests that VNs getting a debuff

[waxen wasp]

here

[rotund rampart]

basically its just how the algorithm works

[waxen wasp]

this link, but with your own rate number

[proper bronze]

only the team leader's ratings affect the game's karma right?

[rotund rampart]

thanks!

[proper bronze]

because I've rated stuff and our karma is -1

[unreal plinth]

Only the team leader can give ratings, so yeah

[lament ermine]

Is neuro64 good

[proper bronze]

that explains a lot, we were going to meet to rate as a team

[rotund rampart]

64 downloads from a webgl build is insane btw

[quick badger]

I thought only the submitter could rate? Did it change?

[rotund rampart]

the outliers in popularity are from low impressions and higher plays

[earnest wind]

I guess people were curious to try downloading the rom to play on emulator or hardware

[proper bronze]

by rate I also mean comment, oops

[lament ermine]

Ohhh, ok

[rotund rampart]

so if only 1k people see them and they have like good views/plays etc, they score higher

basically proven by a few experiments today where I promoted it in places where I get impressions and not views/plays, which dropped my ranking by 3

[native chasm]

Literally everyone else: Congrats On Participating!
Me:

[rotund rampart]

and the second correlation is that I kept sharing one of the outliers, and it probably got a bunch of impressions, and it dropped quite abit in popularity

[proper bronze]

so basically if you don't have a WebGL version, you are essentially fucked

[lament ermine]

Ohhh, just realised which is Vedal's submission

[proper bronze]

because people aren't going to put in as much effort to download the game

[earnest wind]

Well there's the download but there's also the risk

[hasty drift]

well, alex game was well received and its download only

[waxen wasp]

kinda ye, but most game-engines support making a webGL build so i dont see why you wouldnt make one in general

[lament ermine]

Alex game has the Alex buff

[small radish]

the one with the lowest karma

[rotund rampart]

no webgl definitely hurts, but there are quite a few projects that gets pass that

[lament ermine]

Besides, the game is honestly good too

[waxen trail]

I'll play & rate your game in a few hours later today!

[quick badger]

In popularity. the final ranking is a whole other story

[unreal plinth]

If your game is download only, you gotta make sure it's good enough for people to want to go through the effort of setting up a VM (or trusting you) and downloading it

[proper bronze]

we were scrambling to get a mvp out in time

[waxen trail]

It's top of my list

[quick badger]

The most popular game might not win the jam, only the ratings matter for that

[rotund rampart]

I still have a list of games I have to go through from people that played and commented on my game, but after that idm playing a bunch of lower rated stuff from anyone too

[rotund rampart]

popular game wins tutel's heart

[lament ermine]

We got the game functional in the last day, and added content also in the same day (art, music, writing)

[waxen wasp]

for us webgl was the only option, with the game being made in python and all.
making an exe version would require more effort

[quick badger]

fair x)

[rotund rampart]

I want this to go up in popularity
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213193

[native chasm]

-2.405

[waxen trail]

This needs to be on stream lmao
Though I'm afraid the ship is ruined after yesterday's stream

[buoyant flower]

Added to the list of games to play 😄

[rotund rampart]

you HAVE to play this

[proper bronze]

but what was the experience level of your community/team