2024-game-jam

[sage sapphire]

all goods, I figured out what went wrong after taking a break from staring at my code. I should have used an interface instead of a single function that does 2 things at once cuz now it works with no issues on my end but might need peeps to test it once I can update it

[hasty drift]

[sage sapphire]

I'mma prep some things for new years so hope everyone has a great time and with good food for the coming year

[hasty drift]

almost 1600 total ratings i will rate the few tabs i got open and the also wrap up for today. did not really play much while focusing on the detroid becoming human stream

[nimble dew]

😄 Same. I was like "I should do X... But this stream is way too interesting". Even though I already saw a let's play of that game years ago.

[misty tree]

thats an average of 5.75 ratings per submission now then (or per person rating, since thats the same number)

[hasty drift]

sounds few

waiter waiter, more ratings please

[tepid cove]

I find this distasteful

[waxen wasp]

did they enter 3 jams with 1 game?

[hasty drift]

check out when they uploaded the files, if its before the jam even started, report it

or just report if you find it

[misty tree]

which game is that?

[tepid cove]

DarkLight

[misty tree]

"How does your game fit/incorporate the theme of the game jam?
It doesn't honestly, but it's fun!"

[lavish escarp]

checked it

[misty tree]

I wonder why

[hasty drift]

"It doesn't"

yea, id report it

[lavish escarp]

are we supposed to ping alex about this?

[hasty drift]

do this

[signal monolith]

Ive already seen one that har made for secret santa game jam splashscreen

Ive reported it oc

[misty tree]

tho is there even specific rules against submtiting to multiple jams? ill go check

[signal monolith]

It wasnt even on theme at all

[misty tree]

I checked the other two jams and it would seem they all started on the same day, so at least i dont see any specific reason to believe it suggests they worked on it ahead of time

well yes, but its not against the rules to be off theme, you just score poorly on theme

[signal monolith]

It was a farting gnome or smth

[misty tree]

all im wondering is more like, is it actually report-worthy or is it just a bad entry lol

[signal monolith]

There's spam category i think

[misty tree]

i dont see any rules saying we cant submit it to other jams

[signal monolith]

I would count it as spam

[misty tree]

@fleet gobletopinion on this?

[nimble dew]

If a game is Neuro themed and maybe even fits the theme of this Neuro game jam then I don't necessarily see an issue if it also happens to fit another jam running at the same time.

[civic fractal]

@nimble dew

forgot one of the pings off sorry!

[nimble dew]

Yeah this one might not fit the somewhat odd theme of this jam but was it still a Neuro game? Or just not related to this jam at all?

[hasty drift]

game does not have to be neuro themed/ contain neuro. was mentioned in the rules. but just not made for the theme, seems to be blatantly not a game made for the jam

[misty tree]

neuro related game isnt actually a requirement either tho

[civic fractal]

Yeah it isn't

[misty tree]

like yea its sus, i just dont know that its too much to the point we report it, i would just give it a bad score cuz its bad

[nimble dew]

Oh right so it wouldn't be a rule violation if it misses both "Neuroverse" and the theme...

[civic fractal]

(I know Alex added it into the rules after I mentioned it)

[misty tree]

also on a very random note, apparently one of the other 2 jams is literally hosted by a club from the high school i went to

what the heck

[civic fractal]

Don't dox yourself smh

[waxen wasp]

bro just doxxed themselves xd

[misty tree]

pshh that was a good while ago

im sure its fine

im old now 💀

[hasty drift]

hi old now

[torpid bridge]

Reported it. Doesn't fit the theme

[civic fractal]

To answer your question, It is not neuro

[torpid bridge]

It doesn't fit the Remnants of the past theme

[misty tree]

listen, all im saying is:

1. theres no rules games have to be on theme
2. theres no rules the games have to relate to neuro
3. theres no rules that you cant submit the same game to another jam
4. theres no evidence to suggest they worked on the game early because all the jams cooincide in time frame

yes its a bad entry for these reasons, but reports arent for bad games, theyre for breaking rules

[hasty drift]

reporting it if its seems Susge and then leaving it to the experts is the right play ig

[warped forge]

Pretty sure it is a rule that games have to be on-theme. It's a hard rule to enforce due to how it can be interpreted, but at least this one it's pretty clear it's broken.

[torpid bridge]

There was another game that broke that rule and was submitted to TONS OF GAME JAMS

[molten shadow]

ban vedal, game not on theme

[hasty drift]

vedals game be like:

[torpid bridge]

it was removed by Alex I think

[hasty drift]

yes, i had it reported

he removed it

[misty tree]

Hmm, I didn't find this in the rules list on the jam, is this just an implied rule?

[signal monolith]

I dont think there has to be a specific rule to disqualify some spammy, assetflip spam garbage(not saying all games submited to mutiple jams are, but most)

[warped forge]

"In this event, you'll have three days to create a game that fits the theme that Neuro-sama chooses."

[misty tree]

Hmmm I guess so

Kinda

[hasty drift]

if your game does not really fit the theme, it will just get a worse rating in the theme category

[misty tree]

Theres a decent number of other off theme games tho

Heck I made one last year

[civic fractal]

looking at you turtle ranch

at least that one still has a valid answer to the theme

[signal monolith]

Im not saying we should report all off theme games, but there are some that are off theme, submited to many jams and super low effort, that they can be just considered spam

[civic fractal]

I think we all agree with that

[torpid bridge]

Yeah

[misty tree]

Hmmm ok I see, I guess I can agree with that

[main sluice]

🎵

[civic fractal]

I'm slightly biased due to the person's answer to the theme being: "it doesn't but it is fun"
But yeah, let's wrap this convo up.

summon the ads

[main sluice]

I was glad to participate in this Jam (did the music/sfx for Muffin's entry)

[waxen wasp]

on it

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213324

[misty tree]

ayyy hey there parsec

[main sluice]

👋

[misty tree]

Agentparsec is fantastic guys

[waxen wasp]

play game, game good, we like you play game
speech 10/10

[misty tree]

He can do pull music and sound effects out of thin air

[civic fractal]

Haha

[main sluice]

I used to enter the Ludum Dare compo which is only 48 hours, so I'm used to working quickly

[misty tree]

Will have to see if ur still down in future years c:

[waxen wasp]

our weegee is the GOAT tho
bro made 3 songs, 1 alternate version, and 3 SFX

[main sluice]

It was fun, so I may be!

[misty tree]

Maybe I'll even see if I can get you for some other non game jam stuff c:

will pay c:

[main sluice]

I'm up for that

[misty tree]

sound was def one of the main things blocking me from finishing my main project I've worked on for quite a while

[lament monolith]

What's an environment variable...

I hate that I have to ask that

But legitimately...

os.set_environment("NEURO_SDK_WS_URL", here) is the only thing I could find about this

[fleet goblet]

dont ping me for this, report the submission on itch

[hasty drift]

there are multiple ways to set the environment variable, you can set it up in windows directly

[misty tree]

Oh ok my bad

Sorry

I was just worried maybe we were all reporting something I wasnt sure should be reported

[lament monolith]

Oh by the way, this example does not exist

404

[hasty drift]

it does exist, i tested it

[lament monolith]

What do you even mean by that...?

[hasty drift]

or did the link change? maybe im wrong

i can see it

[lament monolith]

Well lucky you, or something similar to that

[hasty drift]

oh

no im stupid

i looked at "Neuro Unity SDK Usage"

[hasty drift]

I just cant read

[lament monolith]

It'd be really nice if I had the example

I'm not a programmer, I can't understand anything programmers tell me

Examples are best

[misty seal]

The example exists but just the link is broken

[lament monolith]

I'd assume it does

But until someone gives me the magic link, I'm glueless

[hasty drift]

https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk/tree/main/Godot/examples this?

[lament monolith]

That might be

[misty seal]

Ya

Im just trying to get that to work first before doing anything with my own game

[hasty drift]

ye thats a good idea

for beginners, might not be trivial

[lament monolith]

Once I learn what a websocket is, it's free game from there on

I fucking love Godot, been working with this for years

GDS is goated

[hasty drift]

i used godot last years game jam, but i did not like it that much tbh. this year i worked with unity, seems more intuitive to me

[lament monolith]

Godot is like that mechanical keyboards joke

Once you clack, you never go back

It's so nice to work with GDS, I can't even explain it in words

I think...

I think there's a misconception about Godot

People call it a 2D engine

But if you ask someone like me, who has worked with it for a long time... Just do 3D

It's so much better

Legitimately makes your life 60% happier

[hasty drift]

i would try to import the example into godot and then download a websocket test tool like Randy or Tony, if you get it to work and see how it performs actions on its own and read the communication in the console, it feels good to see progress

[void parcel]

i had the exact opposite feeling lmao. unity was so ugly and unintuitive i could never stick with it for any length of time. i dont get why so many tools have to look so ugly, godot is beautiful (i also came from a lua background and gdscript is very similar to python which lua is similar to, so it was quite easy to learn gdscript)

[lament monolith]

I actually learned C# before GDS

GDS feels so fucking slick though

[signal basalt]

Our 3D game as proof:
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3204684
:D

[hasty drift]

i know python and c#
well, i think engines are just personal preferences

[fringe star]

someone offered to help make music and sounds for my game in the game jam after the game jam ends So happy cuz i cant make sounds and all

[misty seal]

Loll im the opposite, I’ve only ever made 2d games, maybe its time to branch out

[lament monolith]

I did 2D at first because I thought 3D games were hard to make, and 3D vectors scared me

But to be perfectly honest...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316090318726234122/1323516869763924069/2024-12-31_02-00-22.mp4

Like, it's magic, really

You get the hang of it and it works out

[main sluice]

I've been using Godot recently myself

I started a series where I have to develop games in Godot based on randomly rolled elements, and the second episode was 3D, which had me worried... but Godot was actually quite easy to use for 3D

I highly recommend trying it out

[void parcel]

i think this is somewhat of a holdover from previous versions, as godot has progressed so quickly recently that both 2d and 3d are pretty much on par with eachother nowadays

[lament monolith]

Yeah that's the thing, ain't it? It's so widely known as a 2D engine that people don't think of it

[lament monolith]

I think my opinion also has to do with the fact that I don't really understand anything I read

I kinda go by feel

[void parcel]

yeah that might hinder you

[hasty drift]

I don't really understand anything in general

[lament monolith]

Complex combat system with event interruptions: Easy, done in 72 hours.
What is a websocket?: Uhhhh

[void parcel]

how do you even write code without understanding anything though

[lament monolith]

I'm not entirely sure

I go by feel

[void parcel]

if godot had a copilot i would be rn

[lament monolith]

It has a version of that

[void parcel]

wait it does?? where??

[lament monolith]

It's a plugin you get over at the asset library

[main sluice]

I haven't taken any courses in programming, I just sat down and tried my best to learn it

[void parcel]

oh a plugin

[lament monolith]

You have to plug in your openAI account, and it costs money

So I can't

[void parcel]

the only plugin ive ever used is for terrain so makes sense i wouldnt know about that

[hasty drift]

my problem with that is, how do i improve? what if i plateau? because if feel like acclaimed self learned programmers have much knowledge, they kinda need to have some source where they get it from. or maybe im just worse at learning
example, you build functions to calculate some angles or whatnot, some other might be just "oh there is a lib for that, i just import it". so if you lack knowledge, you might be very inefficient or cant get some things done as good

[lament monolith]

See that's the thing

I see programmers just use code others made all the time

But I... don't really understand anything in those readme files

[main sluice]

Don't let a 'what if' make you stop, you can deal with the plateau if you come to it. More likely, practice will cause you to keep improving.

[odd chasm]

im making my first game in godot does anyone have any advice?

[lament monolith]

3D

[void parcel]

2D

[hasty drift]

yea but i feel like if i practice in my own bubble, it might not really reach improving levels, idk

[misty seal]

1D

[main sluice]

3D or 2D

[odd chasm]

it a 2d game

[lament monolith]

If you want 2D, go 3D anyways and use the other camera mode

[void parcel]

5D

[lament monolith]

The isometric one?

[hasty drift]

@lament monolith did you upload a game to the jam? id like to see

[lament monolith]

I can't remember the name

[misty seal]

For first game I say start small

[lament monolith]

Layers of Waste

[main sluice]

Orthographic

[lament monolith]

It's a tech demo, not a game

Blender fucking hated me for 24 hours and I could not export materials or animations properly

Lost an entire day

[odd chasm]

im trying to keep the scope small but my issue is while i can just about code i have ended up with a complete mix of different free assets lol

[misty tree]

as a completely self learned coder, I would say the important things for me have always been just to keep making prototypes and then ditching them. polish and refactoring take way more time than its worth when you are just learning. I just go "I wonder if i can build, say, a platformer". I build just enough parts of the platformer that i could visualize how i would do everyhting to make the game complete, and then i move on to my next project

so if u look at what ive outputted, ud find a lot of very basic trash

but the amount of concepts its gotten me through is very high

[lament monolith]

I do take a similar approach to programming as I do art (see my role)

I go by feel and I don't get attached to projects

Faster to improve if you just move the fuck on and start anew

[misty tree]

if a project is bad, dont fix it, just do it better next time

[main sluice]

Honestly, failures lead to success. Nothing wrong with building a staircase out of trash to eventually get yourself to something good.

[hasty drift]

sadly in my projects, i am failing quite hard and get demotivated. lately i have been trying to reverse engineer a game server by reading communication requests to the client but just by reading and decrypting the packages, it was rough for me

[lament monolith]

It says this in the Randy readme

The entire repo? also what is npm

[misty tree]

oh and about the lib thing, ive basically never touched a real library lol, tho i have eventually built myself a pile of functions i import into every project i make

is there better options out there, probably. but its what im familiar with

[hasty drift]

npm is a windows console command

[lament monolith]

Interrrsting

[hasty drift]

yea I feel like, I sometimes want to get familiar with all the options out there for me

[fringe star]

for my first few games i went with a topdown horde shooter with different enemies, a platformer, and a game with tile based movement, I believe these can give a lot of experience in making stuff and games

[misty tree]

i think the important things for efficiency to me are just knowing the right ways to use functions, parenting, data organization etc

you save so much effort when you build things with proper foundation

[lament monolith]

Godot is cracked → I use Godot → I'm cracked

[hasty drift]

i know proper foundation... but then throw it away day2 and day3 of the game jam bc i need to rush

[misty tree]

Haha me too I def hard coded some crap once my brain turned off

[misty seal]

Loll true, when the deadline is close I just do whatever works

[hasty drift]

i wrote ui logic code in my levelmanager and then search for it in the uimanager

[odd chasm]

i have a kinda alpha demo for the game im making on itch if ppl wanna give me feed back i do have plans but im kinda at a raod block on implementing them

[lament monolith]

This does not appear to be frozen

I think

[hasty drift]

classic deprecated

[misty seal]

if I see any warnings I just ignore it, very good programming practice

[waxen wasp]

my preference is custom, imagine using a game-engine

my game-engine is python

[hasty drift]

i saw a game submitted which was fully made in sublime text

[lament monolith]

I like to make commits for my Godot projects that just say "Removed all yellow warnings"

You know, all the "This variable is not in use" yellow warnings

all 300 of them

[void parcel]

for a real answer; recreate other games. i would start with pong, then go tetris, etc. they dont have to be perfect recreations, they just have to work. this takes your mind off the creativity aspect so you can focus on learning how things work, developing good habits, making a good workflow, etc.

another thing to keep in mind is to keep your scope small. for example; dont immediately jump from recreating pong to making a 3d action adventure roguelite (extreme example but you get the point)

also start in 2d. 3d has a lot more complex interactions with matrix calculations, gimbal lock, all these stupid unintuitive issues that you wont encounter in 2d (2d obviously has issues as well, they are just typically easier to find a fix for, or are just less intrusive)
and when you do want to venture into 3d, i would start with 2.5d to ease into the extra dimension

and learn good habits. that means things like project organization, code structuring, naming schemes, etc.
but at the same time, dont try to optimize every little thing, because realistically you probably dont need to and it will take time away from learning the fundamentals

lastly, stay away from tutorials. trudging through the trenches and getting your hands dirty is the best way to learn because it forces you to try things you wouldnt have by just watching a tutorial.
its all too easy to fall into tutorial hell and then feeling like you cant create anything because you cant retain the information from the tutorials.
read documentation before resorting to tutorials always

although disregarding all that, the most important thing is to just have fun. obviously everyone says this, but it truly is the most important part. forcing yourself to do something you dont enjoy is the quickest way to burn yourself out. by all means, dont listen to anything i said here if it means youll enjoy the experience more

[odd chasm]

i dont think i will be touching 3D for a while lol as the last time i looked at 3D game creation i was quite daunted by it

[void parcel]

it is more work and more complicated for sure, so thats a good decision

[odd chasm]

i am working on a Neuro centered game solo atm i decided to work on it cause of the jam but i didnt enter as by the time i had got the movement to work the jam had ended but i decided to keep working on it and see where it goes

[void parcel]

oof

godot has built-in movement you could have used

[odd chasm]

i have a working demo on itch tho atm

u just cant do anything but move lol

[tepid cove]

there's so much shit I never would have thought of without seeing it done in tutorials

[hasty drift]

tutorials are good but there is tutorial hell

[tepid cove]

I think telling people not to use them is bad advice

[void parcel]

i didnt say not to use them, just to stay away. if its absolutely required then go for it, just dont use it as your first option

[misty tree]

yea tutorials are a good starting point for a lot of normal people

you need a specific sort of brain to just learn by pure tinkering

[hasty drift]

i understand what he means. some people could end up following from tutorial to tutorial but when they stare at a blank paper, no results come out. thats tutorial hell

but if you start and be like "i have specific x problem, how do i do that?" then i think its very fair to research

[void parcel]

maybe its a little biased because i was stuck in tutorial hell for multiple years and only once i swore off them and went at it alone was i able to create anything

the tutorial quality also plays a role though. there are plenty of tutorials where they just go, "ok so you need this code in this script in this object and ur done!" but the good ones actually tell you why things exist and walk you through each aspect

[misty seal]

Ya I definitely agree with that advice regarding tutorials

[void parcel]

documentation is also basically a low-level form of tutorial, which i said should be prioritized

ofc not everything is documented well, but most things that you would encounter as a beginner are (for godot at least)

[hasty drift]

what is documentation

[void parcel]

so in summary: what i should have said was dont spend 5 hours jumping from tutorial to tutorial on youtube without any results, but rather read documentation and follow along with good tutorials when needed

[odd chasm]

thats basically what ive done when ive gotten stuck tbh lol

[earnest wind]

hooooly the super pinball rogue game was addictive lol, breaking it was fun

[fringe star]

name

[void parcel]

also dont be afraid to ask questions if you ever need to. thats what communities are there for!

[earnest wind]

this on https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212713

[fringe star]

[placid salmon]

My game is just creative with the concept and not just Neuro memories, it's more of a mechanic thing with the breeding, it's not that bad compared to my first jam where the theme was winter games and I made a Christmas game

[odd chasm]

thank you i get quite nervous and can feel like im being dumb or a burden so i tend to not ask for help and suffer lol but im working on asking for help whe ni need it

[hasty drift]

rancher games are cool af lol. was memey and bit cursed but still cool imo

[odd chasm]

heres the prototype alpha demo (i dont really know what to class it as tbh lol) https://rionplaystv.itch.io/name-tbd

[placid salmon]

Thank you! Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comforted, or something like that I guess.
Somebody commented in my game that it made them think about things and that was pretty cool.
I saw your comment too, yeah the game is a bit easy because I couldn't add unique skills to each turtle, but maybe someday.

Btw, this is probably the game with the best integration of the theme in my opinion, it's not mine and it has low ratings:

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213251

[hasty drift]

my game is also too easy, or imbalanced. i wish i could change it man.. feelsbad

[proud smelt]

Why is that a bad thing? as long as its fun doesnt matter 😛

What is your game?

[placid salmon]

Yeah, but it is what it is, it's better for it to be easier and get people to complete it than people rage quitting since this is a game jam and people won't have that much time to spend

[hasty drift]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211655

[civic fractal]

I'm only joking. It's on my list to play

[misty tree]

Yea that's why combat in my game is basically optional, you can just walk by all the enemies if u need to

[hasty drift]

nah i just wish the upgrade system was different. i was kinda trying to make it generic for every tower and not separate and it ended up not being well

[placid salmon]

Yeah I know don't worry

[hasty drift]

when testing, everyone won first try. right after release, first one failed early lol. i was surprised but at that time it was already too late

[civic fractal]

All good

[fringe star]

i think its fine, its really fun

[tepid cove]

getting good play testing in this context is difficult

[hasty drift]

think play testing for me was an issue because its a game genre with a lot of variables

[misty tree]

Skill levels vary wildly when it comes to gaming

[fringe star]

theres also the part where players not only have different skill levels, but also play styles. which makes games unique to balance

[hasty drift]

well, after the jam i will release an updated versoin with endless waves mode, neuro sdk implemented, and better upgrade system

[fringe star]

i believe if a game is unbalanced, but remains fun for the players, its good

[civic fractal]

I'm willing to lose to the balatro clone, my personal example of the above.

[fringe star]

the one with uno colored cards?

[civic fractal]

Yep

[fringe star]

me too

[tepid cove]

if it makes you feel any better, I lost

[hasty drift]

Makes me feel worse

[tepid cove]

damn, got it backwards

[hasty drift]

Ideally i want people to win but they should feel like it not being too easy

Bit of a sweat but not a retry a lot of times, kind of thing

[tepid cove]

my games are also too easy for me but too hard for everyone else

[hasty drift]

Ye i dont know shit about tetris, you never gave me a straight line block when i played

[pulsar hinge]

[fringe star]

devs gain 200% efficiency in playing their own games for some reason

[tepid cove]

maybe it's because I have like 100 hours in puyo puyo tetris

[void parcel]

"for some reason"
as if we dont spend hundreds of hours playtesting every little feature that we add to make sure it works

[misty tree]

we also know every detail about how every enemy functions

or how any weird mechanics or interactions work

[fringe star]

[tepid cove]

everyone sure loves making card battlers

[fringe star]

in my game evil has the ability to gain an extra turn when getting a kill..
this is balanced right?

[lament ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/sandevistan-gif-5369610590005971709

[austere rose]

Yes. Eliv deserves more turns to kill.

[civic fractal]

Evil deserves a 100% kills route

[south hazel]

NAHHHHH

[lament ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/chuunibyou-gif-19433066

[misty tree]

cards are fun

ive built my own knock off slay the spire recently just so i could try out a bunch of mechanics that i couldnt figure out how to mod into slay the spire

[queen halo]

unhando is pretty fun

[civic fractal]

Yeah, it is very fun

[void parcel]

this was a trip lmfao. fullscreen games when you play them!

[unreal plinth]

Ah, you're that person!
Could you give me some more info on those issues you found?
I'd love to have them in mind for if/when I go back to it for the Neuro SDK

[void parcel]

sure, here's my basic system specs:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 1050
AMD FX 6300 Six-Core Processor 4.10 GHz
20 GB RAM
and ill record a video for you so you can understand what i meant for the audio/performance

if theres anything specific you want let me know

[unreal plinth]

Thank you, that'd be great!

I can't imagine why the game wouldn't run well on those specs after all. They're not the most top of the line specs, but my game shouldn't be doing anything that heavy either....

[placid salmon]

Hey, you also left a comment in my game about physical damage, what did you mean by this? Like they wouldn't attack or when they attacked they didn't inflict damage?

[void parcel]

yeah they just wouldnt do damage when attacking

it only happened in some fights, and seemed random which ones were broken

i thought at first it was because of stats, but i used the same turtle in a broken fight and working fight

i should specify it was only my turtles that were broken (i think)

ill double check in a bit

[placid salmon]

They have invulnerability frames when they are damaged first by other things, like a bullet

Other than that I can't figure the issue, it's the first time someone has commented about it

[waxen wasp]

its been a while since we plugged, imma need to fix that
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213324

[civic fractal]

Chat has been deadge for this hour

[waxen wasp]

which makes it prime marketing real-estate

[civic fractal]

mhm,

[void parcel]

here you go

[civic fractal]

Ah yes the 5-10 fps range

[unreal plinth]

I think the 5fps thing isn't actually a glitch, just that I didn't do any movement smoothing, so the player and camera move along the tiles...

[void parcel]

i see

[unreal plinth]

It was on the todo list, just that it was below sound effects, and I didn't reach below that

[unreal plinth]

The left-right thing is definitely an issue though, I never noticed it before because I always use speakers. Now that I'm listening to it with my headphones that's super annoying

I probably left the sound on directional mode or something, so the sound emitter and receiver that are both on the turtle are fighting over which side the sound should be coming from

[void parcel]

that would make sense. unfortunate it seems like an easy fix that just wasnt noticed before the deadline

[unreal plinth]

Yeah, and I literally never would've noticed it cause I don't have directional audio speakers. I'll need to start considering that when I make stuff from now on.

And since I have you here already, if the movement were smoother and the audio wasn't swapping between ears, what'd you think of the actual game?

[void parcel]

i think it was pretty fun, although a bit too easy after i figured out how to play. because i knew evil wouldnt enter the room im in, and i can infinitely check the other rooms, so i just sit and wait

if i hadnt read the theme in the description i wouldnt have known how it was implemented, so there is that

[unreal plinth]

Yeah, do you have any recommendations on how that could be made more difficult somehow?

Cause I planned for early-tutorial and mid-game type gameplay, but never thought about late-game gameplay, so I don't have any ideas on how the difficuly would increase yet

[void parcel]

im not entirely sure either, it might require a bit of restructuring to get right

[unreal plinth]

The plan was gonna be like 2-3 maps, going from super easy 3 rooms to a bigger more interconnected map like what I built, but ended up just having to mash it all together into 1 single map that sort of increases in difficulty as you advance

[unreal plinth]

Darn, I'll have to put some thought into it then :/

Well thanks for playing my game, reporting a bug, and even giving feedback, many thanks!

[void parcel]

here's what i meant

[void parcel]

yeah no problem! thanks for making the game!

[void parcel]

and immediately in the next fight i killed it so fast i barely had time to start recording

[placid salmon]

It's because the turtle has a random behavior

When the battle starts it can be either magic or attack, and since that turtle is weak with magic it can't cast

You need to click it to change to attack mode

[void parcel]

ah

somehow i completely missed that in the controls

i also stopped using the mouse since it wasnt used for anything else, so maybe a keyboard bind would have been good. since its also difficult to click a fast moving turtle

[placid salmon]

Yeah, it isn't that intuitive

The difference with random behavior with the enemy is that it changes with time and yours stays the same, but I should probably remove random behavior from the player and let them decide before the battle starts, and use the keyboard instead of mouse, but maybe someday.

[sage sapphire]

I can't stop playing it too

[misty tree]

I dont know why but I'm suddenly so tempted to make holocure swarm edition

Ill sleep on it, maybe the feeling will pass

[sage sapphire]

if you do tell me, I always wanted to make a holocure clone

[misty tree]

sure, what are your skills

[sage sapphire]

I can do programming and art recently I'm getting into music production so there's that

[tulip frigate]

what is going on....

[sage sapphire]

possible game dev collaboration in the making

[tulip frigate]

cool

i'll leave you it then

[sage sapphire]

[fringe star]

[void parcel]

👀 👀 👀 👀

[sage sapphire]

Wait for after the voting period then you can judge again, I swear I'm better than this and my games aren't glorified main menus

[misty tree]

haha

[void parcel]

ive always wanted to make a survivor's-like but i havent yet, i feel like its a good genre to learn optimisation as well because you have to deal with so many enemies and weapon effects

[misty tree]

I'll test out some tech first that I'm brainstorming to handle the main thing I had trouble with when I've tried making survivor style game, which is the lag of a butt ton of enemies that cant all stack up on each other lol

[sage sapphire]

we grow in numbers

[misty tree]

I have some ideas that might help with that

[sage sapphire]

what engine do you use?

[misty tree]

Gamemaker

[sage sapphire]

for unity you can handle that with objectpooling and ECS

[sage sapphire]

a true holocure clone it is

[misty tree]

Is holocure gamemaker

[sage sapphire]

yes

[misty tree]

cool if so

[potent stirrup]

Sort of a plug here but I'v been working on a Neuroverse survivors like for over a year now though its a bit different then how holocure works.

[misty tree]

Oh snap really?

[sage sapphire]

damn we're already beaten to it

by a year

[potent stirrup]

Theres three Neuro related survivors-like that I know of actually

[void parcel]

not surprised really, there seems to be a survivors-like for anything and everything now

[misty tree]

The idea just hit me cuz I was like "what can I do now that I have all these swarm Sprite

[sage sapphire]

[potent stirrup]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1184879711399190649 this one is mine, and there is also IndieCure by Adesi (though currently on pause)

[sage sapphire]

we can do a reverse survivors like

we play as the person who spawns mobs

[potent stirrup]

btw its open source so if anyone wants to contribute you can

[misty tree]

Habit of mine as a non artist who needs to recycle the heck out of all the sprites I get access too haha

[misty tree]

I've tried making this before

[sage sapphire]

what's the engine or language used?

[misty tree]

The main difficulties there is it really shifts the game dynamic

[void parcel]

HOLY that looks so good already! nice job!

[misty tree]

Endless survival cant be won, so playing the swarm also means you cant lose

[potent stirrup]

Godot + gdscript

[sage sapphire]

I see

[misty tree]

So you kinda gotta change up how the gameplay works

[void parcel]

based

[sage sapphire]

it's over if you said C# I could have at least contributed

jk, been planning to learn godot anyways

so guess now's the time

[void parcel]

im thinking of contributing as well

[potent stirrup]

art/music is also welcome too, I'm supposed to draw splash art for the game but been putting it off for 6 months at this point

[misty tree]

new brain blast: turn the "u" and you get Necrosama, neuro necromancer game

[lament ermine]

she brings back people as robot undead

cybermen

[sage sapphire]

a survivors like that fully relies on your drones? I've seen a few attempt that

[sage sapphire]

art I can do

[potent stirrup]

I have a page for devwork that needs to be done, prob should make one for art too

[agile nymph]

Call me up if ya need anything...why so shy?

we just made our second game...

[potent stirrup]

I used to make 100% of the art in the game, but now that I want to expand it a bit more, more hands will be more helpful ill notify you when I'v finished setting things up also for the art.

[agile nymph]

[void parcel]

i have a question. what version of godot are you using to develop it?

also im noticing theres no visible timer in the game, is that by design or an oversight?

[potent stirrup]

latest (4.3) iirc. Since in 'normal mode' you can win, there is no timer, but for 'endless mode' the amount of time you survived is shown in the end screen (and saved in the leaderboard if you log-in)

[void parcel]

ah i see. most survivors-likes have a timer even during normal mode so you know when to expect the next scripted event. ive seen it used to speedrun killing the final boss in normal stages as well

[lavish escarp]

idk if this is to do with me continually filtering her invitations to the museum

or if noone RSVPs regardless

[void parcel]

NOOOO THE CHAIR MUSEUM

[lavish escarp]

ive been continually denying their invitations lol theyre sending invitations into the void

is the game meant to end like this??

[old patrol]

yes there is no proper ending for now

[lavish escarp]

Understandable

Cool game anyways

[lavish escarp]

god this reminds me so much of the old school flash games to do with racing

there was an old hotwheels one

also, shameless plug https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830

[rocky glen]

has he played any of the games live yet?

[torpid bridge]

Nope not yet

https://sealantern.itch.io/memory-lanes play this game if you haven't yet!

[lavish escarp]

good game

tried this a bit ago

[lavish escarp]

did he do so before the rating period was over last year?

cuz being played on stream is a massive publicity boost id imagine

[rocky glen]

idrk

[tame rapids]

i think he did, but i'm not 100% sure

[fringe star]

watched a clip, theres a part where he told chat that whoever made the game he was playing (the spaceship builder one) to rate other games so that his score doesnt get reduce due to the rules that time.

so last time he probably played during the rating period

[waxen trail]

iirc he played some during the subathon and some after

But the subathon went on for a while after the jam ended from what I remember

[earnest wind]

Still have 5 days until votings end, something tells me the subathon will be over before then. Unless Vedal changes something

[lavish escarp]

vedal pulled out the soft cap too early and it went horrendously wrong

[molten shadow]

are we allowed to link a github for the game? (it hasn't been updated since release)
I mainly just want to do this because it's a download game so maybe it'll make it more trust worthy showing the open source

[south hazel]

seeing my own playthrough video get into my YT recommendations is really bizarre

[lavish escarp]

this is an alex question

youtube does that sometimes

[molten shadow]

do i ping him or dm him

[lavish escarp]

@fleet goblet

[tardy geyser]

it should be fine to link your github, as long as it isn't "hey go play the github version"

[fringe star]

how many games should be rated by a single person?

[earnest wind]

as many as you can

[fringe star]

isnt there like a score penalty?

[tardy geyser]

there's no penalty for not voting, but lower rated games will use median scores instead of the true scores

it's also generally good sport to just go around rating games

[south hazel]

i what

[fringe star]

WOAH

thats a spike

[earnest wind]

When the algo kicks in

Also I'm calling it, that game is gonna be the jam's winner

[rotund rampart]

I definitely have rated for a few games higher overall I think

[tardy geyser]

most popular =/= best rated

but it is an amazing game though

[rotund rampart]

At the end of the day most rated isn’t the same

Yea

Its a really good game

[earnest wind]

mmm yeah fair enough, I still have a lot to go trough and play so maybe there are some hidden gems in there

[rotund rampart]

In fact having too much attention might get in the way, unless getting rated above the median ups your score too

[rotund rampart]

Which one is your favourite so far?

[earnest wind]

mmm hard to tell, overall-wise so far the bartending one, gameplay wise I really liked the pinball roguelike

[rotund rampart]

Which one, there’s 2+ of that haha

[earnest wind]

There's 2 bartending games?

[rotund rampart]

2 pinball

[earnest wind]

oh wow haha I havent seen the second one yet then but the one I played was this one
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212713

[rotund rampart]

There’s one called Neuro ball

[rotund rampart]

Yea this one was more polished

[rotund rampart]

Oh you’re the GB guy

I would give you a 10/5 for theme if I could for literally making a game boy game

[earnest wind]

Yeh, I'm not expecting a high score since its very incomplete and overscopped 😅

Made the mistake of not getting a writer sooner

[rotund rampart]

Yea not getting a writer screwed me over too

[earnest wind]

I was like "oh yeah I'm gonna make a visual novel" halfway in after making the engine "Oh wait I cant write dialogue for shit lmao"

[tacit wasp]

The very short dialogues are painfully relatable

[rotund rampart]

Haha

[rotund rampart]

Did I play your game yet?

[earnest wind]

I was so pressed on time I had to cut the character cast by half, got only half the background drawn, only had time to finish the study minigame and didnt have time to add in sfx and music.
Also stats that litteraly do nothing in the demo

[tacit wasp]

I'm playing it right now
Trying to do every scene to see what's done and what's "This is the X scene"

[rotund rampart]

I mean did I play yours

I usually leave a comment

[tacit wasp]

That's the second time this year already that I missread a message, going strong

What's your itch name? I'm gonna check

[rotund rampart]

Same

[earnest wind]

can you both drop your games? not sure if I played them yet

[rotund rampart]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213059

[tacit wasp]

Yeah you did, you said it was overwhelming and a bit confusing because you didn't know if the memories were supposed to be just mentioned or actually happened

[earnest wind]

Ha I dont think I've played this one yet, looks cute! I'm gonna play it rn

[rotund rampart]

Oh the memory streaming one

[tacit wasp]

And I think I played yours and commented

[tacit wasp]

Yep

[rotund rampart]

Yea you did, I just needed to know which game haha

[tacit wasp]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211795

[rotund rampart]

I gave a pretty good score haha, I think the whole overwhelming thing was more of a skill issue

[earnest wind]

I'll play this one too after

[tacit wasp]

I can't be sure to be fair
I didn't get anyone to playtest the game, it's easy for us to play the game since we know which icons are real or fake already but maybe not for others

So far, besides those that misread the description, it doesn't seem to be too bad at least so I'm glad

[rotund rampart]

I think having to hover over the icon and processing what each icon is and then making a decision as they keep coming out was scary haha, but I think taking more time getting used to the icons help alot

Bad hand eye coordination on my end probably haha

[tacit wasp]

Yeah, once you know what each icon does, it's a lot easier since you don't have to look at the text anymore

[rotund rampart]

I think it would’ve been great if you had a pause screen that gives you a list of icon to name that stops the game

[tacit wasp]

It was actually planned! The main menu would have had a collection screen that shows all memories, explain where they come from and could even open a clip when you press a button
Unfortunately, I ran out of time for the main menu

[rotund rampart]

That happens haha

[tacit wasp]

It's definitely a shame, that probably would have helped a bit

[rotund rampart]

Personally I think Fragmented will win

[tacit wasp]

Fragmented is Alex's game, right?

[rotund rampart]

The paper neuro one

That 1 checks every box really highly imo

[tardy geyser]

alex

their team is ridiculously cracked, gotta give them props

[rotund rampart]

Yea, only reason I’m getting more rates is probably cause that game isn’t webgl

[lavish escarp]

If abandoned pub got their second ending in

Abandoned pub goes so fucking hard too

My favourite so far, interestingly tho, was the ship game

I don't remember what it's called

But it goes hard

Absolute gameplay

Plus I'm pretty sure Neuro could play that game

[sour horizon]

You mean Sea of Memories? Yeah, that's a really fun entry

[lavish escarp]

There are some unironically fun games here, which is very impressive given the timeframe

Making something functional in that timeframe seemed so daunting at the start and people managed to make just straight up fun stuff with replayability

Wild shit

[nimble dew]

Oh Fragmented was from Alex? I really liked the style but there wasn't much gameplay... What others are really good? Any with actually good gameplay besides that one tower defense game that I played which was somewhat nice.

[tacit wasp]

Passion can go very far sometimes

[lavish escarp]

It's just so impressive yk

You got motherfuckers coordinating 8 man teams

Other fuckers solodevving excellent gameplay

[south hazel]

i thought bro made an actual game boy game

[lavish escarp]

I don't remember any of the names tho honestly I only remember what they're about so even tho I have suggestions I need to get home to my PC to share them lol

[tardy geyser]

i'm constantly reminded by how talented this community is

[lavish escarp]

Deranged

[tacit wasp]

Well he kinda did
It's probably GB Studio but it runs on emulator and probably real hardware

[tardy geyser]

it is I think, someone made it run on a calculator

[tacit wasp]

I ran it on BGB, a Game Boy emulator

[tardy geyser]

i think @stable crescent actually

[earnest wind]

Yeah its an actual gameboy game that you can run on real hardware (someone even played it on their TI calculator haha
#2024-game-jam message

Also yeah I've been using GB studio, albeit with some custom plugins I made in C for certain features

[tacit wasp]

Oh you can have plugins in GB Studio?
I never really used it but I remember someone using it to remake Undertale

[earnest wind]

My first game in GBStudio that I compeleted was this
https://mico27.itch.io/super-mario-bros-mini

[cunning inlet]

alright time to start playing some game jam games

1st game I think is Simbel's and I have no idea what I'm doing lmao

[tacit wasp]

By the way, if I can give one feedback on your game, in the future add a way to skip the current dialogue scene
I know it's probably because there's only a few ones so I quickly read them all but I think most of my time playing was me skipping through dialogues and getting Neuro on a date with Evil and Cerber without realizing

[tacit wasp]

Oh dear lmao

[cunning inlet]

ok I got it allg

[earnest wind]

Yeah that was planned but gutted it because I didnt have time

will def add it when I'll get back on finishing it

[tacit wasp]

Nice

[cunning inlet]

my initial thought was "click to destroy bad memories" but I quickly figured out "no, destroy fake memories"

[tacit wasp]

You're the 3rd person to say that now

I'm gonna add a "How to play" section at the top of the page I think lmao

[earnest wind]

Its ok, it was intuitive enough to figure out after a few clicks

[tacit wasp]

I mean the first comment I got was about this so who knows

[cunning inlet]

I realized it once I saw "3rd sister" and I was like "...wait, there's no 3rd sister" xd

[earnest wind]

mmh yeah I guess not everyone can be as observant

[lavish escarp]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3207559
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213260
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213325
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211560

the games i personally fw the gameplay of

and ofc (shameless plug)
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830

which is also more gameplay heavy in any case

[earnest wind]

Rolling girl plug count: 28

[tacit wasp]

You're keeping track? lmao

[earnest wind]

nah I just did a search of the url xd

[tacit wasp]

Oh yeah fair

[lavish escarp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QMvLJWWwBQ

[cunning inlet]

my instant reaction to those instructions

[lavish escarp]

Serbac

SUba

i went through the whole list too

[earnest wind]

I did the exact same thing

[cunning inlet]

I was expecting easter egg :c

I love stupid easter eggs, they're my favorite part in every game xdd

[fringe star]

[lament ermine]

https://voidbois.itch.io/troubleshooting I'm pretty sure it's the same devs in this chat but I'm plugging too

[rotund rampart]

See, i planned to auto change your answer a couple times if you put cerber, but I was really short in time and the only programmer who was also directing writing and planning haha

[cunning inlet]

nw, the art was really cute and a perfect execution of the theme, thx 4 maek! ^^

how tf does Rolling Girl have double the amount of ratings when we both plugged our games a hefty amount here

I am shooke

imma search by random/least rated and report back with any findings I think deserve more attention

man I love firewalls

[lavish escarp]

webGL implementation

[tacit wasp]

Oh hey I just finished playing this game
What I suppose is the end screen looks very funny to me for some reason

[torpid bridge]

We need more ratings btw for Memory Lanes

[tame rapids]

if you rate more games and comment, then people will be more likely to play your game as well

[waxen trail]

Finally played Rolling Girl it's gud

[tame rapids]

i will also play and rate (and comment) more games after i finish my uni assignments

[waxen trail]

Good luck on your assignments!

I thought I'll only play games after I improve my post-jam version and implement Neuro SDK but

I got tempted and here I am only a couple of games for now surely...

[torpid bridge]

Heh about that... I'm not the one who published the game, so I can't rate

And I only have my phone, so I can't play any of the games

[lavish escarp]

im replying to your comment now lol

[tame rapids]

well, you can still play games and tell teammate that published game to give your rating to that game, in other game jams with bigger teams it's common

[torpid bridge]

That's the thing

I cant

[waxen trail]

https://tenor.com/bU5bk.gif

[torpid bridge]

Mobile phones were not made in mind for this game jam

So most games I cannot play

[waxen trail]

Fair, kinda tough with no PC

[past meadow]

We actually plan to make Abandoned pub playable by Neuro as well, probably will make an infinite mode for her to play

[lavish escarp]

@waxen trail you are the first one btw to bring up the time travel aspect of the story to my game and i hope to FUCK Ellie sees it

[waxen trail]

I noticed it and was like "damn, that's a cool idea" lol

[torpid bridge]

I hope Ellie, Cerber, Camimi, Anny and Alex sees them in our game

[lavish escarp]

https://youtu.be/cfV2VIbB-XU

[lavish escarp]

she brings up FTL here and i was like

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

im not too well versed on entanglement but i am well versed enough on relativistic effects

so that was the aspect i hit at (superluminal particles) to explain the time travel in my game

[tacit wasp]

I wish I could tell you that my game can run on your phone but it's not fully compatible unfortunately, almost the whole right side is off-screen on my phone

[lavish escarp]

the scifi possibilities are fucking endless given what evil and neuro are

[waxen trail]

That's sick

[lavish escarp]

its an idea ive had in mind for a bit

[cunning inlet]

ok does anyone have any easy & solid solutions to downloading the games that get marked as virus?

[lavish escarp]

itch.io has a sandbox mode

[cunning inlet]

I dsiabled firewall and put on "no protection" mode in browser and nothing's working

[rotund rampart]

ayyy glad you enjoyed it!

[waxen trail]

I use the Itch.io app and sandbox mode in the options which helps for some games

[rotund rampart]

webgl helps alot

[hasty drift]

over 1800 total ratings

[tame rapids]

btw

[rotund rampart]

what's kurtosis

[tacit wasp]

Oh shit the median is at 5?
That's why lower than I expected, nice

[lavish escarp]

@waxen trail just want you to know your game is appreciated too lol

[rotund rampart]

there's 280+ games

[waxen trail]

[lavish escarp]

O7

[rotund rampart]

I hear alot about this ship game, someone link me

[tame rapids]

on this page you can also get information about your entry

https://itchanalytics.vercel.app/

[lavish escarp]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212532

[lament ermine]

damn, our game almost works on phone, just can't press enter on cli

[tame rapids]

you can learn some facts about your entry such as:

[cunning inlet]

is this like an extension or

[rotund rampart]

https://itch.io/jam/JAM_NAME/rate/GAME_ID
where to get this url

[waxen trail]

iirc popularity changes every day based on how many people visit the page or something, right

So it doesn't really say much

[tame rapids]

well, i'm not really that concerned anyway

[rotund rampart]

oh wait its the rate page

[tame rapids]

yes

[quick badger]

wha where do you see that?

[lament ermine]

hey, we did pretty good :D

[lavish escarp]

remarkably low

karma

[tardy geyser]

itch

[tame rapids]

https://itchanalytics.vercel.app/

[tacit wasp]

Reads like one of those "let autocorrect finish your sentence"

[lavish escarp]

i am rating quite a few games

please

[quick badger]

thank you!!

[lavish escarp]

please karma go up

[tardy geyser]

it's top 99.2%, don't read what it says

[rotund rampart]

I am 28 cool

😎

[tame rapids]

well, i still need to rate more games to be cooler

only 18 karma so far

[tacit wasp]

I also need to rate more games

[rotund rampart]

my game's always quite far down in popularity, I wonder if its cause my cover art isn't attractive enough

[tacit wasp]

my karma is at 0.5 lmao

[rotund rampart]

I have about 15 I have to go through now

[lavish escarp]

what does popularity count

[rotund rampart]

no clue

I'm assuming people actually clicking it?

I know I have a pretty high conversion rate of people playing and then rating

but I barely get any clicks to play

[tame rapids]

that's usually the case for web games

[trim rover]

still haven't got the chance to play and rate many games

[stable crescent]

Yeah

[hasty drift]

really very good but neat love

[trim rover]

will try to do so this weekend

[quick badger]

I'm so cool B)

[civic fractal]

My own ratio is 2 views to 1 play here

[lavish escarp]

yk whats interesting tho, im very familiar with statistics, and can read this

[lament ermine]

our analytics

[lavish escarp]

kurtosis for a normal distribution is ~ 3

kurtosis of 12 is extreme tails

[tame rapids]

mostly median is important

[naive walrus]

how much hard drive space is enough for a win10 VM?

[charred hamlet]

[lavish escarp]

depends on the VM setup

[torpid bridge]

Where do I check

[lavish escarp]

realistically like 40 gb

[rotund rampart]

which game

[civic fractal]

Over here

@torpid bridge

[charred hamlet]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213034

[rotund rampart]

my popularity is 42nd haha

[rotund rampart]

oh this one, I have it downloaded, haven't played, the VN style ones usually takes awhile so I keep them for now

[south hazel]

[lavish escarp]

Rollg

Th

UI

[charred hamlet]

It's not quite a vn, it does have a bit of dialogue though yeah

[torpid bridge]

@sleek reef I think not rating is hurting us

[quick badger]

damn rating count ranking is not as steep as I thought

[tacit wasp]

Has anyone who played ToubleShooting found the secret character they mentioned in the description?
Tried Hiyori, Study, Layla, Cerber and even Chat/Swarm but that was not it

[quick badger]

I think your game gets reccomended more if you rate more

[torpid bridge]

The thing is that I'm not the publisher

So I can't rate

Neither can I play the games

I only have a phone

[quick badger]

damn wtf

oh I thought only the submiter could play

[torpid bridge]

Yeah

That's the case

I'm not the submitter

[quick badger]

bruh

that's messed up

[lament ermine]

||Have you looked at all the commands||

[lavish escarp]

r u travelling or sm?

[civic fractal]

Others can play, just not rate (just bounce your ratings to the submitter)

[torpid bridge]

No, I really only have a phone

[lavish escarp]

wild

makes me wonder ng

ngl

how old is everyone here

[torpid bridge]

The only person who can rate is SeaLantern

[lament ermine]

we foresaw this issue and made an account specifically for this game jam and shared the password with the team members

well, more like we remembered last game jam

[lavish escarp]

cuz young folk making games is impressive shit

[torpid bridge]

I'm 21

[lament ermine]

same

[torpid bridge]

I do the UI and splash art

[tacit wasp]

||I think, yeah but except capture and list which is apparently bugged, there isn't much about the secret character, is there?||

[lavish escarp]

we are the same age how have you not got a PC

[torpid bridge]

Money and the fact I work at a grocery store

[lament ermine]

*wink

[lavish escarp]

developing country?

[torpid bridge]

USA

[lavish escarp]

economic situation there is rough huh

[torpid bridge]

Yeah

[lavish escarp]

yeah

[lament ermine]

surprising how many college students are here

or maybe not

[lavish escarp]

i mean im assuming mostly young adults here

[lament ermine]

high schoolers aren't going to have an easy time with a game jam

[tame rapids]

i don't think it's surprising

[lavish escarp]

i expect like some to be teens

some to be adults

but college student is like the demographic which has both the skills and time for this shit

[tardy geyser]

i think the demographic might be much, much larger than that, actually!

there are so many participants after all

i'm fairly confident there were a couple of professional game devs in our midst last year

[lavish escarp]

as a trend ofc theres obv gonna be older and younger

looks at self

[lament ermine]

in the pirate game jam I got to participate with middle aged people

that was cool

[lavish escarp]

ive worked on other people's games in the past

[tacit wasp]

||All that makes me think of is Neuro but I tried capture Neuro and call Neuro and neither works. I may suffer from stupid||

[lament ermine]

||list is bugged because of that secret character to begin with||

[charred hamlet]

I honestly wouldn't pay too much attention to placements rn to be honest. Last year our game was sat essentially in the middle the entire time for popularity and ratings, and we ended up placing 6th

[lament ermine]

damn

[lavish escarp]

this is the first game ive ever worked on to completion as a programmer tho, still very interesting to see

[tacit wasp]

||Oh it's not an actual bug?||

[lament ermine]

||no it is a bug it's supposed to list all the characters you can interact with, but we added the secret character as last minute addition and messed up the command||

||it's cerby||

[tacit wasp]

||ah||

[lavish escarp]

what happens if you shoot cerby btw i never actually did that

[tacit wasp]

It respawns

[lament ermine]

my profile grows bigger

[waxen trail]

@hasty drift Your game is amazing, I love the pixel art too. I'm learning pixel art in my spare time and hope to be as good as you one day

[hasty drift]

thanks but the art is not made by me

we are team of 2

[waxen trail]

Soren cooked on the art

for sure

[hasty drift]

yes he did

did a lot in the three days

[hasty drift]

how was the game difficulty for you?

[waxen trail]

I had a fucked up board initially so I restarted

After that was generally easy with some monkaS moments

Won with 40 HP I think

[hasty drift]

ok very good

want the players to win, but not to win too easy. so it all worked out for your experience ig

[cunning inlet]

I am now resorting to downloading a virtualbox which I will hopefully be able to use to uninterruptedly download any and all files, regardless of whether they're a virus or not

I WILL play Neurotopia one way or another

[lavish escarp]

you can download anyway fwiw

on chrome

just standard shit

[cunning inlet]

tried, couldn't

turned off both computer firewall and browser protection

[lavish escarp]

you have to go to the download itself

[cunning inlet]

and right clicking on the download gave no "download anyway" option

I even tried the Tor browser lmao

[tame rapids]

you can download itch.io app and it doesn't block downloads, you can also check sandbox settings for extra safety

[cunning inlet]

man I hate it when my computer tries to download me from downloading viruses. Back in my day, I downloaded viruses like a champ

[tame rapids]

also downloading/unnistaling is easier

[cunning inlet]

wait there's an itch.io app?

lemme try that then

[verbal garnet]

you can try using CLI aria2

https://github.com/aria2/aria2

[verbal garnet]

just copy the download link and paste it to cli args

im sorry imma hacka

matrix background

[lavish escarp]

you can also just curl it

[fresh remnant]

We have a web build now. It was made after the submission time, but it exists.

[nimble solar]

If it's the typical virus detected message where windows is blocking it
Search Virus & Threat Protection in Windows, Then go protection history
You'll see something similar to mine.
You just need to hit "Allow"

[verbal garnet]

thats lame bc curl is powershell's Invoke-WebRequest. curl.exe is a little bit more interesting, but still lame because it's now windows builtin

[nimble solar]

After that, redownload and it should worrk

[lavish escarp]

tf 1 kb?

[waxen trail]

Help chat the submissions feel like a Hydra I finish one game and I want to play two more

[lavish escarp]

i scared myself for a moment before realising that i made the payload file myself for a CTF

im fucken stupid

[tardy geyser]

it's fineeeeee, you're supposed to play games during the rating period

[waxen trail]

25 games rated, 250 games to go

10x my gains

[cunning inlet]

yoooo itch.io app works let's goooooo

neuroLETSGOOOOOO

[waxen trail]

Set it to sandbox mode in the settings too @cunning inlet

[lavish escarp]

use sandbox mode btw

only fools dont wrap their tools

[hasty drift]

am at 35 rn

[cunning inlet]

yup already did

[waxen trail]

You're an inspiration I feel like I played a lot of titles that take a long time to complete too so maybe the few next ones are shorter

[hasty drift]

yea some games take 1-2 minutes, some many many

[tame rapids]

i usually try to beat games fully

[sour horizon]

I just played the game where you, uh, breed turtles

I might need to bleach my eyes

[waxen trail]

https://tenor.com/bkGn3.gif

[tardy geyser]

[lavish escarp]

honestly

at this point

[tame rapids]

[lavish escarp]

yeah

it is a classic

[waxen trail]

Played that one yesterday too lmao

[lavish escarp]

hate that its a genuinely fun game

[hasty drift]

my turtle children were named uuh1 to uuh6 bc idk what i was doing or seeing

[lavish escarp]

i think i can find screenshots of when i played

[waxen trail]

I named my turtle children the same way evil did (nightmare, terror, etc.) so fighting her got very confusing

[verbal garnet]

I need a link, friend wants to play

[lavish escarp]

Godslayer, Godtier, and itwantdie.

godtier

[lament monolith]

I can improve my game after the rating ends, right?

[lavish escarp]

father of godslayer

[tame rapids]

yep

[lament monolith]

Hurrah

I love my little tech demo

[sour horizon]

For science, right? Right…? https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3207559

[verbal garnet]

Well you can already work on it because you can't upload anything anyways

[verbal garnet]

Oh yeah my friend wants to study turtle biology for sure

[waxen wasp]

gotta do the daily plug
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213324

[cerulean jetty]

I have only one critique for the troubleshooting game. I can't hit tab for an auto complete, and I keep pressing it repeatedly to do that.

[lavish escarp]

i shall do so as well https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3211830

(shameless plug)

[cerulean jetty]

so I type open r<tab><enter> then it fails to open the file named "readme".

[sour horizon]

Anyone interested in giving some ratings? https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213260 (plug time)

[waxen wasp]

sure

[hasty drift]

Shard games are good, need more ratings

[waxen trail]

I can recommend it too

[tame rapids]

yep, good game

[sour horizon]

[verbal garnet]

well my friend said it was a nice evening study for him

[misty tree]

Is shard the cold boot person

[tame rapids]

yep

[misty tree]

Nice

[verbal garnet]

how tf you did this solo, youre unhinged

[signal monolith]

imma plug this one, it's not mine, but it's so good and underrated https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213368

[waxen trail]

@charred hamlet your team's game is great btw

Just played it

[sour horizon]

haha
just a little bit

[charred hamlet]

Thank you!

[verbal garnet]

I'd only say if some kind of objective was on the screen it would help alot bc I could not understand what game wants me to do after I used clock on robodog lmao

[lament monolith]

Can someone explain this line in the SDK example?

What does this do?

[verbal garnet]

preloads script from somewhere obviously yeah

[lament monolith]

But what does that do

[verbal garnet]

Never used godot but it either caches the script or you should check the docs

[waxen wasp]

itl take some time for the vote to happen since i cant vote and our team is just funneling our ratings to the person who can, cuz only the uploader can rate.

[charred hamlet]

Mhm, preloads the script into a var. It's a way of having class-like properties without having to define a whole new class

[buoyant flower]

It prepares the script for loading at compile time.

[manic marten]

in case someone missed our game, please play it :)
||(sorry for the plug)||
https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212715

[buoyant flower]

So you can instantiate without using a resource loader.

[civic fractal]

Sucks that the jam works like this, but I get it

[lament monolith]

This actually explains what's happening

I don't know why you'd want to do it, but... I guess some fringe case exists out there

Doesn't seem to be doing anything important here though

[charred hamlet]

Saves namespace if it's a oneshot I guess?

[verbal garnet]

if anything could be done at compile time it should be, because your runtime then does less things and your game is better optimized

[lament monolith]

I don't know what that means, unfortunately

[cerulean jetty]

IF you had more classes, then it means that you did not use up an entire name for this thing you used once. I'd never really do it anywhere in a serious project.

More likely it's a case of "there are multiple ways to do this one thing, and alex chose this way".

[waxen wasp]

is this a steins;gate reference?

[verbal garnet]

if it really does that then the naming is very misleading

[verbal garnet]

whole game felt like the steins;gate reference to me

[waxen wasp]

i havernt gotten that far yet

[lament monolith]

brrrother you are killing me

[naive walrus]

Do you need to die at the end of Neurotopia? Im at 118% restoration and i dont think anything happend

[cunning inlet]

I have successfully played and rated Neurotopia

I got surprisingly invested in the gameplay

[cerulean jetty]

played keepsakes, my heart is still in shambles.

[sour horizon]

yeah, I very much ran out of time by the end

[tardy geyser]

(i just realised the missed opportunity to name one of the games neuropara)

[lament ermine]

is the ending broken or am I missing something

[verbal garnet]

fyi deadline was extended by an hour and you uploaded like minute before the initial deadline lol

[waxen trail]

TRUE

[sour horizon]

Kind of! It wasn't planned at first, but then it ended up becoming more and more important

[charred hamlet]

We uploaded like 15 seconds before the original deadline

[misty tree]

alright, time to start working on update 🤓 game needs more content

[naive walrus]

Im playing it right now and idk how to progress im at 140% restoration and only idea i have is to quit or die

[lament ermine]

love Gorg and Morg

[sour horizon]

True, so I quickly reopened the project
and noticed the whole dialog plugin system broke down lol

[waxen wasp]

ours was also broken, started on the wrong scene

thank god for the extra hour

or thank alex i guess

[lament ermine]

build didn't finish in time to add improvements

[verbal garnet]

same but I coded dialogue system from scratch in odin and thanks to extended deadline I barely made it in time

[cunning inlet]

I played the downloadable version. Neuro can't die, just keep placing down attackers and eventually Neuro will move on

[cerulean jetty]

~10 minutes before the deadline.

*initial deadline

[lament ermine]

bump

||I got the hellfire and pin||

[verbal garnet]

check fillain street again to talk with robodog and I guess its over:
#2024-game-jam message

[lament ermine]

ohhh

ok

[rotund rampart]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212767

you guys should really try this

[lament ermine]

finished it

very nice

(Shard's game)

[waxen wasp]

he cant keep getting away with this!

this game is filled with refernces

[hasty drift]

yes its peak, but maybe mark it as spoiler for first time players idk

[waxen wasp]

oh fuck

uh

[waxen wasp]

its not really a spoiler, but sure

[rotund rampart]

very creative game

[torpid bridge]

Who hasn't rated or played Memory Lanes yet?

[rotund rampart]

which one is this? I did so many

[torpid bridge]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3212555

[rotund rampart]

oh the ATB one, left a comment and rated

[torpid bridge]

Im just wondering if any of the other ppl who published aren't even in the server

[waxen trail]

Maybe they don't know this channel exists

[rotund rampart]

there probably is

[waxen trail]

I had to search for it to find it

[cerulean jetty]

how do I leave the first room?

[waxen wasp]

bottom left

[rotund rampart]

I remember you have to look for vedal's id first

then go bottom left

[cerulean jetty]

I walked there a few times, and since there is no indication that walking there does anything I kept clicking on the door xD

[verbal garnet]

Yeah I tried to click door with everything I got myself too. It's a little bit unobvious. Probably out of time for baking door animation

[waxen wasp]

i won

very fun

credits button doesnt work tho, i would have like to see the credits

besides that it was great

(web games dont need quit buttons, it just crashes the game)

[verbal garnet]

credits be like:
art - shard
programming - shard
writing - shard
water supplier - shard
parenting - shard's mom and dad

[waxen wasp]

if it was all them thats impresive

art was great, and so was the music

[tardy geyser]

shard - shard

[waxen trail]

Yeah the art was really cute

[waxen wasp]

made me think of the old-school point and click adventure games i used to play when i was younger

[hasty drift]

quit button on web builds are a classic

[waxen trail]

What's the difference between my web build and windows build? yup, one button

[tacit wasp]

I didn't remove the possibility to quit in my game so the web build just crash if you do it