programming

[desert plaza]

i am conducting an experiment

[sage crag]

you can send level 1 markdown here but not genchat

[tender river]

programming allows more markdown

like links

[sage crag]

we are special

[tender river]

yesh

[midnight sigil]

#programming special privileges

[stray dragon]

oh so you really can just do this here

weird

[sage crag]

[tender river]

zettai tokken shuchou shimasu

[desert plaza]

wassup guys

[sage crag]

ⓣ

[silent slate]

huh

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

don’t abuse

!!!

[cobalt sigil]

what

[sage crag]

✅

[silent slate]

oki

[cobalt sigil]

anyways didn't expect that

and will be fixed by mod soon ngl lol

[sage crag]

this is intentional

[rigid snow]

it really shouldn’t

[sage crag]

which is why you shouldnt abuse it

[rigid snow]

# you can’t send this message anywhere else

[cobalt sigil]

so # also work here? weird

[sage crag]

what if you forward it

nyope doesnt work

[rigid snow]

oh

[sage crag]

well, in hindsight i should have known it wouldnt work

i had a previous forward get automodded

[opaque wharf]

Lmao, my nitro ran out so I can only have 1 profile for every server

[rigid snow]

1 day nitro

[cobalt sigil]

pro gamer move

[rigid snow]

doesn’t work

[cobalt sigil]

some server just literally disable forwarding

[desert plaza]

has anyone seen me typing this whole bime?

[cobalt sigil]

uh no

now yes

[desert plaza]

how does the typing status work

[opaque wharf]

It shows when you're typing

Like this

[cobalt sigil]

when you are typing it shows

[sage crag]

several

[desert plaza]

so if i stop typing for a sec, does it stop showing the status

[cobalt sigil]

you can disable it by some method but it do violates TOS

[rigid snow]

i wish discord had the cute pencil breaking animation from skype when you erase everything

[cobalt sigil]

yep

[opaque wharf]

For a becond? No

But more than that, then probably

[cobalt sigil]

2 sec maybe LOL

[desert plaza]

hmm ok

[rigid snow]

does anyone remember that

or am i hallucinating

[sage crag]

i have never used skype

[opaque wharf]

The way it's usually implemented is by having a throttle/debounce so it doesn't send the status spuriously

[sage crag]

always teamspeak

[desert plaza]

i have also never used skype

[rigid snow]

i didn’t have money to host a server when i was a kid

[cobalt sigil]

does teamspeak comes out first or discord

[rigid snow]

also no screensharing

[opaque wharf]

Teamspeak

[cobalt sigil]

ok

[sage crag]

teamspeak is ancient compared to discord

[cobalt sigil]

teamspeak have a better UI in the new version asaik

[opaque wharf]

I still use mumble

[rigid snow]

skype had always had screensharing i think

[sage crag]

i never really want to use teamspeak again

if im going to selfhost may as well do it properly

[rigid snow]

that’s crazy

[opaque wharf]

It is fun to experiment with stuff

[cobalt sigil]

if you decided migrate to teamspeak which means you will probably say goodbye to all your discord frds

[sage crag]

mumble integration for minecraft

old mod

[rigid snow]

holy fucking shit i remember we used raidcall too

[opaque wharf]

Like this for example
https://github.com/dchote/talkiepi

[cobalt sigil]

no embed

[opaque wharf]

By design

[cobalt sigil]

interesting project

[rigid snow]

has anyone here ever heard of it even

[opaque wharf]

Nyope

[cobalt sigil]

feels like a walkie talkie

[desert plaza]

nope

[opaque wharf]

It is. The point is to connect with walkie talkie across the internet

I play around a lot with amateur radio

[cobalt sigil]

it could be just me but I don't see any reason to use this rather then walkie, especially it requires internet connection

[rigid snow]

raidcall was basically a teamspeak clone but centrally hosted like discord

[cobalt sigil]

technically u can also talk to people from another world using walkie

[rigid snow]

also had some features that teamspeak didn’t i think

[opaque wharf]

Without license, it is hard

I use the unlicensed band

[midnight sigil]

just illegally hijack a signal band

[cobalt sigil]

interesting, this suddenly reminds me of my childhood which me and multiple frds do phone calls meeting to play games like who wants to be a millionaire just using phone call haha

good ol' days

[opaque wharf]

Also, it helps to have a local network of walkie but a repeater channel to talk to command center

[cobalt sigil]

wtf

[rigid snow]

a three letter agency is triangulating your location as we speak

[opaque wharf]

Teamspeak is also centrally hosted no?

[rigid snow]

no, you selfhost servers

[cobalt sigil]

self and central

[midnight sigil]

hijack 4625 kHz

there has to be more than 200 people listening to this beeper thing ngl

[rigid snow]

guys

[cobalt sigil]

oh this

[cobalt sigil]

F

B

[midnight sigil]

I always had a theory

[cobalt sigil]

3 letter is definitely facebook

[midnight sigil]

any 3 letter combinations that has no repeated letters will led to a corporation or group named/abbreviated after that combination

but I can't prove it

[opaque wharf]

Facebook International

FBI

[midnight sigil]

just F12 and check the packets yourself

[rigid snow]

requests

for packets you’d need wireshark or something

[midnight sigil]

[rigid snow]

[desert plaza]

ofc

[tender river]

i have a mumble server and i literally have 0 complaints it works perfectly

[cobalt sigil]

?

-# Since 2022, the frequency band of this station has been emitting signals with spectral images that can be viewed by spectrum analyzers. [22] In addition, some people have reported receiving signals containing music on this frequency band and uploading some of the music clips to the Internet. The following have been verified: Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" [23] and the 2012 Korean K-pop song "Gangnam Style"

[rigid snow]

hijacking

[midnight sigil]

pirates

[cobalt sigil]

and of cause bad apple

yea probably

but really funny lmao

let me see if there are recording of this

[midnight sigil]

pirates talked to the station operators once actually

they respond

[tender river]

camellia made a song about zhuzhzhalka76

[rigid snow]

zhzh

[tender river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30R9b1fRe-Q

[cobalt sigil]

do u have a clip?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FM2KVW5IJuo lol

[rigid snow]

incredible job, russian transliteration standards

[sage crag]

mhm

mumble has always been good

[tender river]

i also have a music bot on there

[midnight sigil]

https://youtu.be/jKrNyPnTucQ

[tender river]

well, not anymore

[opaque wharf]

I love amateur radio

[tender river]

surely it just a couple of nixpkgs updates away from getting fixed

(i can patch it manually but i dont need it right now anyway)

my only potential complaint is that mumble stopped using pasword auth in favor of certificate auth

it has its advantages sure

but explaining it to less technical users is such a pain

and then they forget to back it up anyway

[opaque sigil]

Oh hey it's that module they removed in 3.13

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

Real and true

And also I wish they keep the gRPC

Now there's only ZeroC-ICE

[opaque sigil]

I love how my live usb environment keeps crashing when I'm trying to use firefox

[opaque wharf]

Probably because it's not meant to be used in a live environment

[tender river]

the only special thing about live environment is squashfs

[opaque sigil]

I think it's trying to software render everything and the poor CPU can't really keep up

[opaque wharf]

So driver issue?

[opaque sigil]

yeah most likely (nvidia moment)

[sage crag]

what is pprint.pformat doing

[opaque wharf]

You said it wouldn't take longer than 1 day

[sage crag]

yup the parser and serialiser is done

but also i have obligations, so im considering 1 day as 24 hours of work for cheating reasons

[tender river]

this is lisp style formatting

[sage crag]

apparently its python class formatting

why isnt that a Version

oh that's why

[tender river]

completely irrelevant replied to message

[sage crag]

awa

[sage crag]

lisps

[opaque wharf]

Chay plz, no more flashbang

[tender river]

awa

[sage crag]

i dont care for conventional lisps, a lisp is anything i deem easy to parse

[tender river]

json is a lisp

[sage crag]

json isnt easy to parse because i have seen your warcrimes and they make me violently ill

[tender river]

[sage crag]

why am i storing format version in the manifest

stupid

[tender river]

wa

[sage crag]

it works or something

ok now to like

actually make it do something

wait nvm i want to play osu

[tender river]

i still dont like that depends is outside of package

[sage crag]

wyh

erf

always boilerplate

[midnight sigil]

https://youtu.be/JgG_HI8hXD4

[opaque wharf]

I am now entering hungry hour

[tender river]

because its what the package depends on so it should be part of package if its outside the package it makes it look like its not relevant to the package but some outer dependency

[midnight sigil]

can we construct code just by thinking what it'll achieve

[sage crag]

consider it a header

[tender river]

bad

[sage crag]

i dont wanna rewrite it

bwa

[tender river]

[sage crag]

also the indentation makes me sad

[tender river]

because tabs are only useful situationally

nobody uses tabs in lisp

[glass flower]

the chicken one straight up sounds like something you would hear in a backrooms video or siren head

[tender river]

awa

[sage crag]

aw

a

a w a
w w
a w a

awa

[hard raptor]

This frick actually did it

[sage crag]

im not incompetent

[hard raptor]

Never said you were

[rigid snow]

i am incompetent

[midnight sigil]

awa

[ancient hatch]

whats wrong with c++

[desert plaza]

waht isn't

[desert plaza]

the C part

[rough bloom]

worse version of C

[opaque wharf]

I forgot for a second that I have changed my picture again

[ancient hatch]

c has also my problem

unicode

its such a pain

[rough bloom]

Rust fixes that

UTF-8 everywhere by default

[opaque wharf]

Javascript too

[rough bloom]

(any remotely modern programming language probably just uses UTF-8, C and C++ are just really really old)

[desert plaza]

oh no, shuni has the computed virus

[opaque wharf]

Hello there

[desert plaza]

oh fuk

[opaque wharf]

It is a free licensed picture so why not

[rare bramble]

zig

[ancient hatch]

just all modern languages are written on c/c++

[rough bloom]

he breached my firewall and hacked into the mainframe to change my profile picture
I had no choice

[rough bloom]

yes

[rough bloom]

no

[ancient hatch]

zig uses zig to compile zig to compile new zig

[desert plaza]

you still use a mainframe

that's ancient

[opaque wharf]

COBOL is still being used

[ancient hatch]

fortran

[opaque wharf]

Eh, I'll give fortran a pass. They are actively used in some academic community

[ancient hatch]

some guys are coding on binary

[desert plaza]

yeah aren't some banking systems using COBOL

[opaque wharf]

What a coincidence

[ancient hatch]

just for fun...

[desert plaza]

[opaque wharf]

Let me introduce you to @desert plaza

[ancient hatch]

brainfuck is better all ways

[opaque wharf]

AWA5.0 all the way

[ancient hatch]

cow

[desert plaza]

i mostly use hex, binary takes longer to write smh

wait

[ancient hatch]

uh i almost forgot dreamberd

[desert plaza]

why did my reply go to that message

[nocturne olive]

Has anyone ever encountered a state where a Discord bot can play audio in one VC but not another?

[ancient hatch]

[opaque wharf]

I have not

Probably permission issue?

[nocturne olive]

I would assume, but I have no clue what perms cause it
It can connect to and be unmuted in both, but only able to play audio in one

[ancient hatch]

roles?

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue what's going on with the roles, I'm not in an admin role on the server, I just made the bot

[ancient hatch]

create test server

[hoary lion]

update: I smacked it as I woke up

[nocturne olive]

I had tested it ages ago, it's been working for months

[olive sable]

For better or worse, i have awoken

Or well, my sleep got rudely interupted actually

[opaque wharf]

By what? A dog?

And TIL of the existence of this
https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/audio/harvard.html

[tall root]

Okay this is a question for the tech people..

So if Neuro was created originally to play and beat osu! 's most top players and got really good at it..

What if she tried to learn to play Geometry Dash?

That would be a fun and interesting experience..

Seeing her learn how to jump a cube over spikes.. And then maybe eventually progress to harder stuff..

What do you guys think?

Since both osu! And GD are rhythm games while GD is more platform based.. Yeah

[sage crag]

is this a bingo

[desert plaza]

50.2 "Oats are a food eaten by horse and man."

i like that one

[stray dragon]

inputs can be restricted to a small amount of information (like the low-res black and white screen as used in osu!), the potential action space is very small, the conditions for learning are simple and very similar (failure upon hitting an obstacle, reward for time survived)

would be easy to do and not much different from the osu! neural network at all

doubt he cares enough to make it though

[limpid timber]

wonder about the different modes though

[opaque wharf]

Nah, I thinkt it's not quite a bingo

[stray dragon]

just have another input describing the current mode in some way

[opaque wharf]

More of a #suggestions thing

[stray dragon]

easy

[opaque wharf]

And I think osu integration is different from the game SDK

[limpid timber]

ight. then its possible. trials and error until it learns

[stray dragon]

yeah basic neural net stuff

[opaque wharf]

Yep, so geometry dash can also be a different integration

[opaque sigil]

My mic is getting piped into specifically my music and browser sinks, wtf are you doing pipewire

Those two should not be special at all compared to the others I have

[cobalt vessel]

Gm

[limpid timber]

server technician? whoa. gm.

[tall root]

If he would see this and actually work to implement a way for Neuro to play and learn GD..

It would go viral.. Again... Really hard

[sage crag]

awa

mto double kill the guy

even though he is dead

[stray dragon]

doubt tbh

[tall root]

Neuro would become BREAKING NEWS in the GD community

Fast af

[sage crag]

[limpid timber]

might take time.

[stray dragon]

i'm sure they already have a few neural networks like that in the community lol

[opaque wharf]

I mean, Neuro is already quite a legend for an entertainment AI I think

[cobalt vessel]

Hi

[cobalt vessel]

Ok

[stray dragon]

neuro's "brand" back in the osu! days wasn't as a vtuber but as a stream showing a neural network learning the game, even if you tried to repeat it with a different game, the crowd it attracts would be very different since that "brand" has changed a LOT

plus the standards for AI were very different back then than they are now, "neural network that plays game" is not as novel of an idea as it used to be

[tall root]

Right now her trying to beat Galaxy Collapse on osu! Is just a side quest i think

[sage crag]

thank

[cobalt vessel]

[sick owl]

Unsloth pushed another fix for GPT OSS

Apparently now 120b now scores 68.4 on aider polyglot

Placing it just above Claude 3.7 sonnet

[sage crag]

erf

[stark needle]

what lmao

[tender river]

suuurely plague inc integration wont randomly crash

[sage crag]

@safe path how could you hide this from us

[safe path]

nearly escaped

[sage crag]

the art is really good but perhaps a bit risque

[tender river]

drawing mods to escape mods wrath

[sage crag]

5head

[tender river]

capturing vanor's soul in a picture

[sage crag]

waaaait a minute

compact mode debuff, didnt even notice

[tender river]

same

[sage crag]

aw

a

[stark needle]

vanor what did i create

[safe path]

this is all your fault

[stark needle]

vanor do you want a worse pfp

vanor cosplaying as kiki

[olive sable]

nah the dogs arent allowed upstairs, jsut family members

[opaque wharf]

You have a meme in your family?

[olive sable]

i jsut cant spell

[olive sable]

"my discord server moderator can't be this cute" ah pfp

[fast pagoda]

uwu indeed

[olive sable]

im gonna get this vertex buffer stuff implemented today

[sage crag]

or you can optimise

and optimise

and

[olive sable]

i already did that, 11K fps is the peak

there is nothing else to reach beyond that

not with vulkan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRKnR3qJzIg&t=1s

[sage crag]

opengl

ahahaha

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

CachyOS

[olive sable]

oh

he also got stuck a 9k fps

[rough bloom]

I would praise the drivers but he used NVIDIA so no

[olive sable]

and just changed his os

is it time for our lord and saviour arch linux?

[safe path]

arch mentioned

[sage crag]

vanorfigma

design app

[rough bloom]

if you really care about performance then you might as well go for CachyOS like the guy in the video did
it's Arch but faster

[olive sable]

huh

[sage crag]

if you really care about performance you go for arch with cachyos repos

and then do the absolute minimum environment possible

awa

[rough bloom]

true, that should work too

[rough bloom]

does CachyOS not have any options for a minimal installation

[sage crag]

holy lord

@safe path kill

[rough bloom]

@safe path

[sage crag]

yes

destroy

yes muahaha

thank you mod who deleted this person

[olive sable]

they keep coming

idk how to do the archlinux stuff with cachyos repos
so im just gonna dualboot cachyos

[sage crag]

yes

[rough bloom]

looks like you should be able to just do the Arch installation steps but with a CachyOS live USB instead
it all boils down to running pacstrap so surely it's fine

[olive sable]

hmmm, do i shrink the windows partition or do i jsut put cachyos on a sata ssd?

[sage crag]

will have to replace arch-chroot with cachy-chroot

[sage crag]

second drive is preferred

[rough bloom]

second
do not shrink partitions if you can avoid it

[sage crag]

prevents windows from overwriting your files

windows really hates sharing

[olive sable]

cachyos shall receive drive E with a whole 223GB

the linux arc is happening i guess lmao

[sage crag]

good good

yes

good

cachyos defaults are kinda bad but use it anyway

[olive sable]

can you elaborate?

what is bad about it?

[sage crag]

bad == not to my taste

[olive sable]

ah

okay

[sage crag]

1984

filtered

[olive sable]

this is prety much my first time using linux seriously so i have no prefernces yet

[opaque wharf]

You got automodded?

[sage crag]

no

[olive sable]

ive use a mint vm before and wsl uses ubuntu

[sage crag]

basically all you need to know is whatever choice you make is final and you have to stick with it for eternity

and whenever someone chooses something different, you have to verbally abuse them

[olive sable]

huh

[sage crag]

(because you are right)

(and they are wrong)

[rigid snow]

the brackets sam

you're right and we're all wrong

[olive sable]

i know whatever i do ill always be wrong because all the linux people are mean

[rough bloom]

true
this is not the case for most distros like Ubuntu but yours is Arch-based so now you're locked in

[sage crag]

and if they disagree with you, you have to harass them until they leave and then call yourself a debater

[tender river]

this also applies to text editors, window managers, programming languages, osu! playstyles

[rough bloom]

I have bad news
with the way things are going you might soon be one of the linux people

[sage crag]

this also applies to choice of emoji usage and choice of evil or neuro

[olive sable]

aight the iso is installed, ready fr takeoff

[sage crag]

my oshi is so real

i take back all of my insults

shes smart

shes genius

[olive sable]

oh ye if i want to actually use the program to test it in cachyos ill need to put it on the usb too

[sage crag]

or use some kind of vcs

[tender river]

smartest little cookie

[olive sable]

well, i guess its on onedrive but i doubt cachyos does onedrive out of the box

[opaque wharf]

You move to team neuro?

[rough bloom]

what if there was some kind of free hosting service for private Git repositories

that would be convenient

[rigid snow]

git...lab

[sage crag]

guys i think we need to evolve Bacterial Resilience
(it is the 7th time she has needed to evolve bacterial resilience)

sghe devolved it

[olive sable]

aight bye

[sage crag]

neuroWaveA

[opaque wharf]

You have mobile Discord

[sage crag]

ok now she devolved the other bacterial resilience

my oshi has been rebooted

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

Evil never needs a reboot

[sage crag]

evil never needs a reboot because she is schizo by design

[olive sable]

Im in

Wrong screen tho

[olive sable]

Am i not allowed to be dramatic for no reason?

[olive sable]

Idk what its doing but its not happy

Invalid elf magic

[noble zodiac]

guess you are not santas naughty list

the elf is not happy

[tender river]

try booting in grub2 mode

[olive sable]

Okay

Oh i think im in

Everything is purple

[sage crag]

wtf

[opaque wharf]

Somehow Sam always managed to come up with cursed stuff

konii, you curse Sam a bit too much

[sage crag]

is your system uefi or bios

[opaque wharf]

Oh, that is normal

[sage crag]

this is correct

[olive sable]

Its fine

[opaque wharf]

It's just the wallpaper

[olive sable]

I know

[opaque wharf]

You can cuztomize the taskbar (called panel in KDE) to your liking

[olive sable]

It think my screens are in the opposite order so i have to go left to go to the righ screen

[sage crag]

trust in his computer knowledge just a bit

[sage crag]

press windows key, search "display settings"

reorder your displays

[opaque wharf]

You're the one saying this lmao

[sage crag]

though, probably do that after you have installed it

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

The live env doesn't have it?

[olive sable]

After i have installed what?

[small anvil]

The OS

Press "Launch Installer"

[opaque wharf]

kscreen

[sage crag]

it wont be existing if you reboot

[rough bloom]

the live env very likely has it, but it won't persist, so it's pointless

[olive sable]

This is not the os?

[small anvil]

And then complete installation, most settings will be wiped on the live usb session

[sage crag]

no, this is a live boot usb

[small anvil]

Its the intermediate

[olive sable]

Also i lost my mouse

[sage crag]

everything you do on this usb is temporary

[small anvil]

Just so you can install it onto your pc

[sage crag]

shake it about, kde had a feature

[opaque wharf]

Wiggle it and see the cursor getting bigger and bigger

[rough bloom]

spoilers

[olive sable]

Ye it didnt get bigger

But i found it

[sage crag]

you didnt shake it enough

slow

feeble

[opaque wharf]

Is it not on by default?

[sage crag]

it is

[olive sable]

No it isnt

[sage crag]

maybe its not on the liveboot iso

but it is on by default in kde

[small anvil]

Btw I finally bought a new SSD to replace my 100GB sata SSD (new one is nvme m.2 )

1TB so we chilling

It arrives when I get home from holiday

Perfect timing

And then i’m probably going to have to reinstall the OS but oh well

I didn’t have anything important on there anyways

Just packages and system files

[olive sable]

Probably the first time i installed vim

Not even on purpose

Ok but why did it immediatly assume to install in dutch?

[small anvil]

Oh @olive sable are you moving over to linux? Or are you dual booting

[olive sable]

Dualbooting

[small anvil]

I see i see

[opaque wharf]

It can smell the dutch aura coming from you

[desert plaza]

didn't u say you had important projects on that drive?

[small anvil]

Yeah only two, which was the game server and nxlang

But i wouldn’t really call them important anymore

[olive sable]

The moment im not on windows my pc got so quiet

[small anvil]

I’ve realised i can just remake them

[opaque wharf]

But the real answer is probably from your IP

[olive sable]

Oh

[small anvil]

I’ve been thinking about dual booting windows 11 and nobara

I might try it

I need unity to work (using it is my job)

Unity with linux is always such a pain, I get working directory change errors so many times

It just forces me out of the editor

Not fun

[olive sable]

I need windows still for school, but honestly if cachyos has everything i nedd i might just daily drive it for a bit

[small anvil]

Totally fair

I think its best to dual boot for now

Just try to get used to it

And then probably later down the line you can start thinking about switching

[warm star]

Anyone here know wtf this means? I figure someone has to

[small anvil]

Network state error or world state error I think

Try rejoining

[warm star]

I've been trying that for 20 minutes

[small anvil]

I usually only see this happen on the network

[warm star]

Getting all kinds of different errors

This one just earlier

[small anvil]

Oh I see

[warm star]

Got illegalstateexception again

[opaque wharf]

Modded server?

[small anvil]

Its most likely a mod causing it

[warm star]

Yeah

[glass flower]

could also be a corrupt chunk

[small anvil]

True true

[warm star]

It's never been a problem which is the think

[small anvil]

If this is a server then I recommend telling an admin about it and give them your log files

Are you using curseforge?

[opaque wharf]

Modded server may have many reason to corrupt the chunk

[olive sable]

Ive been doxxed

[warm star]

Yes

[olive sable]

To clarify, im joking i dont live there

[small anvil]

Cant be doxxed if you live in antarctica

[opaque wharf]

You're using bri'ish locale?

[warm star]

It never has tho, that's the thing

[olive sable]

Yes

[opaque wharf]

I suggest US tbh

[olive sable]

British english is the better version of english

[opaque wharf]

[small anvil]

I’d recommend using curseforge to get the game logs, and then tell a server admin
They’ll most likely forward it to a server dev and they’ll try to fix it from there

Or if your friend runs it just send it to them xd

[opaque wharf]

Just make sure to check the keyboard layout is not GB too. IIRC, their shift+2 symbol is euro instead of @

Or if it is, then great

[warm star]

Idk

Friend runs it

Idk what to get or how to get it tho

[small anvil]

Im currently not at my pc, and my pc doesn’t work right now, so I can’t give you exact instructions but I’d recommend searching up "curseforge minecraft game logs" and then see what comes up

And then tell your friend you keep getting errors and then send them the log files

[warm star]

Is there any chance whatsoever that the message can be linked to bad connection?

Specifically that one

[olive sable]

They really out here making me count how many keys my keyboard has huh

[small anvil]

Not really, IllegalStateException usually means that a script was expecting a certain condition but it wasn’t met, and then crashed because of it

Which is probably because of a mod

[warm star]

But no crash, just not letting my connect

[warm star]

Nothing has changed

And it always worked fine

[small anvil]

Which is why you should send the game logs to your friend so he can figure out what is going wrong

[opaque wharf]

Standard full sized keyboard with a numpad usually has around 112 keys

[small anvil]

[opaque wharf]

If I remember it correctly that is

[warm star]

He says that the logs on his end say i keep timing out

But it gives me this fuckass message bro istg

[small anvil]

Im honestly not sure

[olive sable]

Linux nerds assemble

Which one?

[rough bloom]

Hyprland

(just use KDE, it'll be familiar to you and not suck)

oh right, it calls it Plasma
Plasma = KDE

[opaque wharf]

Plasma

[olive sable]

But you say hypermand is better?

[opaque wharf]

Get yourself familiar first with how linux work I think

[olive sable]

Idc if its not something im familiar, i can adapt

Ive used a mint vm before

[rough bloom]

it shouldn't really matter for performance I think
KWin is okay

[opaque wharf]

Mint is arguably even more similar to windows than KDE

[rough bloom]

do you really want to spend a day learning keybinds and customizing your Hyprland dotfiles before trying out your game on Linux

[olive sable]

Yes

[rough bloom]

okay

Hyprland time

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Nuuuu, Sam will be even more getting into the linux deep end than me

[hoary lion]

never seen this emoji

[olive sable]

I dont think i need any of these other ones do i?

[stray dragon]

we found the issue this dude just has the most dogshit ass internet connection you've ever seen

[rough bloom]

you don't

[opaque wharf]

Nope

[rough bloom]

who needs printing anyway

[rare bramble]

just pick random ones (I know nothing about linux )

[warm star]

True...

[olive sable]

Not me

[sage crag]

hi

tip

dont use hyprland

[olive sable]

Hi

Uh

Why?

[opaque sigil]

you should use i3 instead

[sage crag]

it will be very different to windows and you probably wont like it

[olive sable]

But why?

[sage crag]

also it plays badly with nvidia gpus and general compatibility

[olive sable]

Oh

Hmmm

3090 L

[tender river]

nvidia compatibility should be fine nowadays

[sage crag]

wait until you have more experience with linux desktops before you go for tiling desktops

[rough bloom]

it's fine, he already agreed

[olive sable]

Its already installing, no turning back

[sage crag]

just use kde your life will be infinitely easier

[olive sable]

NO

[rough bloom]

automodded for talking about NVIDIA drivers

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

I should've known

[tender river]

in my experience with other people tiling wms arent that hard to learn if you are decent with computers

[sage crag]

what

[sage crag]

not responding to this just the general noise

before i sound rude

[tender river]

[safe path]

[sage crag]

i have no problems with tiling wms, but i cant agree that they arent unintuitive for people mostly used to mouse navigation

[tender river]

i feel like if you're the kind of person that uses alt tab a lot they should be an overall improvement

if you use mouse navigation then yes kde will be a more comfortable workflow

[olive sable]

Apparently one hand keyboard is a setting now on my phone. Who actually uses this???

[rough bloom]

hello vanor I got automodded for talking about Linux display subsystems
is it bypassing automod if I say what it was about

[opaque wharf]

Me

[olive sable]

Why?

[opaque wharf]

More comfortable when needed

[olive sable]

Do you just have small hands or?

[opaque wharf]

Its good for when you're lazing around and reading or mostly scrolling but still need keyboard from time to time

[safe path]

uuh can u try sending it again

[olive sable]

[safe path]

ooh

[rough bloom]

yeah

unfortunate naming from Linux

[safe path]

can u use the full name

[rare bramble]

linux is a banned topic in #programming

[rigid snow]

based

[olive sable]

Also i genuinly cant tell the diffrence between shuni and unkomp fn at a glance.
I have to activly read the names of each message

[rough bloom]

you should turn on NVIDIA kernel mode setting for Wayland support if that isn't enabled by default already

-# I wonder why that could've gotten blocked

[sage crag]

loll

nvidia Kernel Mode Setting

is on by default on new drivers

[rough bloom]

good

when I was using Wayland on NVIDIA I had to enable it manually

[sage crag]

well, at least on the open kernel modules

[olive sable]

Motherfucker after it was done installing it booted into windows

[rigid snow]

change your boot order...

[sage crag]

yes, linux cant change your boot order for you

[rare bramble]

had to google that to get why it got blocked

[sage crag]

unlike windows we are held to laws

[olive sable]

Also windows is not happy

[sage crag]

lol

probably tpm

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah i had that

[rigid snow]

that happened to me when i messed with secure boot i think

[opaque sigil]

you'll have to redo the whole biometric stuff

[olive sable]

Oh

Bruh

[sage crag]

@olive sable did you enroll secure boot key from ventoy or did you just disable secure boot

[olive sable]

Idk

[opaque sigil]

disabling secure boot wipes the tpm so no windows hello until you set it up again

[sage crag]

probably the latter then

[opaque wharf]

LMAO

This is a sign Sam to ditch windows completely

[opaque wharf]

I think linux uses that term first tbh

[sage crag]

nah

kernel mode setting is pretty new

[opaque wharf]

Its just that popular usage of the word is very different

Oh I see

[sage crag]

relatively speaking it was only added to the driver stack recently

[olive sable]

"New pin" bitch i dont want a new pin. Give le back my old pin

[opaque wharf]

Oh it's DRM

[sage crag]

before there would be a handoff from the software renderer to mesa

[opaque wharf]

I confuse it with that

[sage crag]

dont abbreviate this

no one knows if you are saying digital rights management or direct render manager

[opaque wharf]

Why?

[rough bloom]

that one is good too

[opaque wharf]

That's the point

[tender river]

awa

[sage crag]

awa

i thought discord was better than this

[olive sable]

What?

[desert plaza]

lmao

[opaque wharf]

Ordering data is hard

But they use snowpack ID

snowflake

Wtf is snowpack?

[rigid snow]

a bundler

[opaque wharf]

Oh right

[sage crag]

esbuild awa

[rigid snow]

1000 bundlers

[sage crag]

lets make a new bundler that bundlers all bundlers

call it a metabundler

that's probably a trademark violation

[opaque wharf]

Meta™

Metadata

If you have metadata for your metadata, is it also a metadata?

[rigid snow]

the ultimate meta data

[sage crag]

yes

metadata can have metadata

[desert plaza]

metametadata

[olive sable]

Is there a way to make bios use the center screen? Or is it just stuck like this?

[sage crag]

bios or bootloader

[warm star]

bwa

[sage crag]

bios, no

[worldly plank]

Place the active screen in the middle

[sage crag]

5head

[sage crag]

on further inspection, bootloader also no

plymouth maybe though

[trim valve]

is it based off of port on the gpu?

[sage crag]

yes

[opaque sigil]

It is

[sage crag]

no, you can shuffle ports

or, if your bios has a monitors option

[opaque sigil]

I didn't mean to reply

[opaque wharf]

I would not call it BIOS at that point lmao

[tender river]

i would not call it bios either

i would call it uefi

[sage crag]

colloquialism

bwa

uefi does bios emulation

bios still correct or something

[tender river]

the standard is different but everyone was already used to "motherboard firmware = bios" so it stuck

also easier to pronounce

[opaque wharf]

yuu-fi

[worldly plank]

What do you call it when it has a mouse?

[olive sable]

I cant change the boot order. rEFInd is not an option in the bios but it is here

[sage crag]

i say you-efi

why did you chose refind

what

[olive sable]

I didnt choose

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

It just came like that

[sage crag]

it gives you a choice

when you install cachyos

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

between refind, systemd-boot, limine, and grub

[opaque wharf]

Maybe they've updated it

[tender river]

i use systemd-boot but refind is a solid choice if you want dualbooting

[sage crag]

they havent, they do monthly iso updates

[sage crag]

limine would be better

[olive sable]

Oh it must have been one of those settings i just didnt read and followed the tutorial on

[opaque wharf]

The war has already started

[sage crag]

nah, refind is better than systemd boot for dualbooting

systemd boot misbehaves sometimes

limine is just more modern and tends to handle it better

[opaque wharf]

I use raw EFI to be fair

[sage crag]

this is also a solution

[tender river]

limine is pretty new i didnt know about it

[sage crag]

if you like secure boot and LUKS

[sage crag]

i knew about it because ableos uses it

lol

[opaque wharf]

Fake ableOS dev smh

[sage crag]

chayleaf not ableos dev

[olive sable]

So why do i have 3 penguins?
I have cachyos, grubx64_real and grub.efi

[sage crag]

ableos not had active development for a while

chayleaf hblsp (and assorted extra) dev

(when she wants to)

[sage crag]

run
sudo rm -rf /sbin/init
it will fix the penguins appearing forever

[olive sable]

I know what rn -rf does

[tender river]

it seems that limine doesnt autodetect windows installations

[opaque wharf]

I do not know what cachyOS installer is doing by installing grub on top of the already existing refind

[olive sable]

But i dont know what a sbin is

[tender river]

configuration is fine but not something you'd want in a hands-off gui installer

[sage crag]

i will accept alternative solution in the form of
sudo rm -rf /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2

[olive sable]

Oh

Oh no

[sage crag]

strange, it worked on my laptop

works on my machine™

love linux

[opaque wharf]

You run the command?

[olive sable]

I entered my password and now i have no display out

[tender river]

arch wiki says this

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/shto-gif-25959105

[opaque wharf]

hyprland?

[olive sable]

Ye

[sage crag]

hyprland nvidia

ahaha

ever time

[tender river]

https://wiki.hyprland.org/Nvidia

[sage crag]

this is why

when you need a whole wiki page telling you why your systemd doesnt system

after an automatic install process

there is a problem

[tender river]

it seems that env vars being set is the only change needed

[opaque wharf]

This?

env = LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME,nvidia
env = __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME,nvidia

[rough bloom]

yes, the problem is called NVIDIA
this should not be necessary

[tender river]

yuh

[sage crag]

the average person who is installing linux for the first time is going to give up as soon as they see the black screen

[sage crag]

since there is clearly a software fix, the automatic installer should apply that fix or at least give you a warning

[tender river]

hyprland is absolutely not a good suggestion for someone who wants something that just works

[opaque wharf]

Press ctrl+alt+F1-12 Sam

[sage crag]

if you want something that just works, you use a DE

[opaque wharf]

Until you see a black on white screen

To login

[sage crag]

kde, gnome, xfce, mint, mate

lxde

bwa

[opaque wharf]

White on black sorry

[rough bloom]

true
CachyOS does advertise automatic installation and hardware detection, they should probably do that
(assuming they don't do that already and this isn't some other issue)

[sage crag]

they dont, i know from experience

dont know if i should be blaming cachyos, hyprland, or nvidia, or all three

probably the latter to be honest

[opaque wharf]

I'd blame just nVidia tbh

[sage crag]

for the root issue, yes

[tender river]

ill blame hyprland

[sage crag]

but the people distributing software to be used by people should at least be held accountable for when their software causes someone new to linux to have a panic attack

[opaque wharf]

Spare the OSS dev some slack

[sage crag]

i guess that lands on cachyos

i dont think hyprland advertises itself as newbie friendly

[rough bloom]

I blame NVIDIA because they're the ones intentionally being incompatible with the rest of the Linux ecosystem
everyone else could try to be compatible with NVIDIA instead, but that's not really how it's supposed to work

[opaque wharf]

You alive there Sam? Not having any heart attack?

[olive sable]

Im alive

For now

[opaque wharf]

Try this

[sage crag]

again i agree, but there are more people to be blamed

[tender river]

not willing to spare any slack for people whose wikis are like this

[olive sable]

What is F1-12 suppposed to mean?

I just swipe the keyboard?

[opaque wharf]

Nope

[sage crag]

if cachyos is distributing hyprland in an installer recommended to new linux uses, and advertises system compatibility (which they do), then they have a duty to make sure it actually works

[rough bloom]

CachyOS should also try to create a good experience with options they provide in their installer, yes
that's pretty much it I think

[opaque wharf]

Try it one by one until you see a white on black screen which says login

[sage crag]

i cant blame hyprland devs for not making a default config but

cachyos should really just do it themselves

[opaque wharf]

So ctrl + alt + F1, then ctrl + alt + F2, F3 then so on. Stop when you see the login prompt

[olive sable]

Ctrl alt f2 gave me a crosshair

[warped narwhal]

[opaque wharf]

Check again until there is login prompt

[olive sable]

Ctrl alt f3 is a login screen

[opaque wharf]

GUI? Not that one

Check again

[sage crag]

what a great first linux experience

im glad we could all contribute to the working system

[olive sable]

F3-6 all give the same screen

And the rest does nothing

[opaque wharf]

[sage crag]

yeahh you arent getting through to the display target

[opaque wharf]

Great job cachyos lmao

[warped narwhal]

thats the login

[sage crag]

hyprland takes over the displays on ttys 1-3 presumably

[opaque wharf]

Ye, this is what I was talking about

I thought you meant a login screen with a mouse and wallpaper and stuff

[olive sable]

Well, i said it gave me a login screen and you said not that one

I didnt even mention it had a gui

[opaque wharf]

Fair point lmao

[warped narwhal]

also when you are in the terminal it is only alt + f1-6 to move, not ctrl + alt + f1-6

[tender river]

honestly i'd try void if not for vendor lockin (having way too good nix configs)

[sage crag]

void is nice but its just a worse nix

[opaque wharf]

Just to be safe, just use the ctrl anyway

[warped narwhal]

what is the difference between cachy and arch? from what I read on their website they are just an OS with packages compiled for zen4 amd

[opaque wharf]

Now try logging in

[sage crag]

preconfigs, automatic installer, optimised repositories, comes with aur manager by default, comes with various "gaming" packages and tweaks for installation

mostly fluff

but helpful for new users or users who dont want to mess with the terminal

[olive sable]

Ok

[opaque wharf]

When entering the password, you will not see anything

That is normal

[warped narwhal]

yeah, also if you think you messed up your password press ctrl + U to restart typing (the password)

and if you enter the wrong username you can press ctrl + d to restart

[opaque wharf]

You login using the username btw not the user full name

[olive sable]

Ooooohhh

[sage crag]

awa

[tender river]

awa

[opaque wharf]

You managed to login?

[desert plaza]

also type in username when it says "login"

then password

[olive sable]

No

Does it matter wheter i use keypad?

[opaque wharf]

Is the numlock on?

[desert plaza]

numlock

[olive sable]

Ohhh

Ok ok

[opaque wharf]

[sage crag]

-# should have just used kde

[desert plaza]

bro is using keypad what

[warped narwhal]

lmao

imo beginners should be given kubuntu, it just works out of the box. and 99% of the time beginners don't need customisation right away, they can add it themselves after they get a little more experience

[sage crag]

kubuntu

[olive sable]

Im in

Apparently it doesnt like it when i usr capitals

[warped narwhal]

oh yeah, usernames cannot have capital letters in them

[opaque wharf]

Not for modern hardware

[warped narwhal]

I don't know why, but it is probably some legacy reason

[sage crag]

literally anything but kubuntu

[opaque wharf]

Cachy is perfect archinstall IMHO, but they need to fix this things

[opaque wharf]

Now, if chay doesn't lie, you need to edit the config file for the hyprland

[sage crag]

to be fair to cachy, they specify that kde is the primary install

[opaque wharf]

Try to type nano ~/.config/hypr/hyprland.conf

[warped narwhal]

I'm not sure what you mean by not made for modern hardware, I used it just fine on my pc, steam games and all. There wasn't anything I couldn't do either (at least things that I needed to do at the time).

yeah sure you might miss out on 3% performance or whatever, but a beginner isn't going to notice this, let alone care.

[olive sable]

I like how it decided 2 of my screens are 32" for no reason

They're all 27

[sage crag]

you poor sod

all of this to get into a desktop you wont know how to use

[olive sable]

Nah its fine

[sage crag]

you can use micro

[opaque wharf]

Does it have the same keybind as nano?

Because I only know nano or vim

[sage crag]

dunno

probably ont

[opaque wharf]

And I don't want Sam to touch vim for now

[sage crag]

either way, micro is more intuitive than nano

[olive sable]

Doesnt matter i alteady did it

[opaque wharf]

What is the content of the file?

[opaque sigil]

wait, did it end up being hyprland in the end

[sage crag]

yes

cooked in a bad way

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

classic nvidia hyprland requiring manual intervention

[opaque wharf]

Insert this 2 line

env = LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME,nvidia
env = __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME,nvidia

At the end of the file

[olive sable]

These terminals are the absolute worst for lcd screens. I wish i had an oled

[opaque sigil]

sth sth it's one line in nixos

[sage crag]

turn to dust

[tender river]

no no clearly he should use guix

[sage crag]

(but not too much)

[opaque sigil]

i'm currently trying to figure out why spotify doesn't like the media keys on my keyboard

[tender river]

they look funny

[opaque wharf]

It would be wack if it works if you change the keycaps ngl

[opaque sigil]

one of them is ramen and the other a tori gate so i guess you're not wrong

[tender river]

wait are you on wayland

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[tender river]

what de/compositor are you on

[opaque sigil]

plasma 6

so kwin i guess

[opaque wharf]

Let us know after you finish this Sam

[tender river]

hm should work oob

[sage crag]

[tender river]

is spotify potentially an x11 app

[olive sable]

E

[opaque sigil]

oh

it kind of works

wait wtf why does it suddenly work now

[sage crag]

shellcheck update

[opaque wharf]

Press ctrl + x

[olive sable]

Ok

[opaque wharf]

Then Y

[olive sable]

5m 13s

[opaque wharf]

Then just enter

[olive sable]

Just Y?

It doesnt see it as a command

[opaque wharf]

You should see something like this after ctrl + x

[olive sable]

It didnt ask me that

Probably cuz i saved

[opaque wharf]

Oh alright

Check again the file just to make sure then

[olive sable]

Its all there