maybe remove the background of it so it looks a bit cleaner?
#suggestions
valid dagger
covert mirage
good point but i guess it would look too boring
acoustic acorn
pp counter
atomic sorrel
it'll be different values though because pp is different on akatsuki rx
forest forge
^
winter iron
they have a dll for akatsuki rx
forest forge
oh that's quite cool
queen shard
btw i made one rn :D
forest forge
looking good
queen shard
@covert mirage thx for the fonts :D
queen shard
:c
covert mirage
jk pp counter is looking good
queen shard
if vedal uses your overlay, then it would be better using same fonts for the counter
covert mirage
yeah but there is one problem
pp counters are integrated in the overlay
so wtf now
queen shard
wide grottoBOT
GG @queen shard, you just advanced to level 3!
queen shard
@wide grotto stfu
covert mirage
yeah stfu bot
forest forge
you tell him
honest mason
-find a way to increase fps so the ai can handle faster and more complicated maps at the cost of training speed
forest forge
yeah it is
covert mirage
is that the reason why she is so shaky
wide grottoBOT
GG @covert mirage, you just advanced to level 3!
forest forge
no it is the reason why she is less shaky
covert mirage
oh no..
forest forge
more fps = more shake
covert mirage
more pixels = more places to move = more shaky
h
oh
oh yeah
makes sense
is there a way to smooth her movement
queen shard
is there a way to smooth her movement
increase neuro-cam resolution?
covert mirage
but that would take a lot of data i guess
forest forge
I don't think that would help tbh
wide grottoBOT
GG @forest forge, you just advanced to level 8!
gritty comet
would her training speed increase if instead of doing
1 auto 1 play
she did
something like 5 auto 1 play
covert mirage
i thought she just calculates what auto is doing
forest forge
yeah but playing is more fun to watch
pulsar sparrow
the neuro's skin is just for her,she won't upload it?
glass stone
is this some streamcompanion skin or something
queen shard
its a osu!Sync widget
glass stone
the new one is streamcompanion
covert mirage
ohhh
glass stone
glass stone
includes a pp calc too
gritty comet
pp calc 
wide grottoBOT
GG @gritty comet, you just advanced to level 3!
queen shard
wait what
glass stone
wait what
glass stone
no, the one with the pp display plugin and stuff
queen shard
Gimme the forum link
queen shard
Lol
glass stone
everyone switched to streamcompanion
queen shard
That's the one I was talking about rn
glass stone
sync probably won't work on new builds of osu
queen shard
Noooo
glass stone
it already doesn't work in cuttingedge
queen shard
osu!Sync works fine
glass stone
hmm
queen shard
On cuttingedge too
glass stone
I've never gotten it running on cuttingedge
streamcompanion works way better
and doesn't depend on injection so you don't have to restart osu if you forget to run it first
queen shard
An official plugin got updated a few days ago, so its surely not dead
glass stone
which one
queen shard
ortdp i think
the only problem I have with Sync is that I have to start a beatmap to make it work
glass stone
is rtppd official tho
queen shard
i thought yes
queen shard
it is uploaded on official Sync github account
glass stone
strange then
queen shard
so yeah
glass stone
it has a separate forum thread too
delicate oak
Oof peak of skill was 5 hours ago
glass stone
sync was made by a German guy but is very Chinese now
delicate oak
Or just lucky map
glass stone
maybe someone else took over
glass stone
but if that's the case idk why it's called dead
glass stone
if you want to learn C# to help osu!tools just go for streamcompanion
ortdp isn't even open source
streamcompanion is friendlier
queen shard
it is open source lol
wide grottoBOT
GG @queen shard, you just advanced to level 4!
glass stone
it pretends to be
but it only includes one file
and won't compile
and the dll is obfuscated so you can't easily use dnspy
queen shard
oh crap
queen shard
xd
bright whale
gross
queen shard
idk, streamcompanion doesn't let you create own custom widgets
bright whale
also c# 👀
bright whale
yea
glass stone
plugins seem fine to me
glass stone
JAVASCRIPT OMEGAROLL
queen shard
be smart, use Electron 
glass stone
i don't think u know what smart means
queen shard
:D
glass stone
fuck sc distracted me from castle wars
bright whale
bruh moment
glass stone
anyway C# is the best if you disagree you are a revisionist
bright whale
also c# is becoming multi-platform with .NET Core anyway
azure ivy
can we please not spam #suggestions without any? 
glass stone
changing channels is hard
bright whale
understandable
wide grottoBOT
GG @bright whale, you just advanced to level 1!
bright whale
will move
queen shard
ok
static charm
request bot like mikuia
foggy gorge
When I say I'd use a linear activation function, I mean something like this:
tanh assumes a normal distribution for the positioning of circles onscreen with a mean at the center, but this just isn't the case.
azure ivy
suggestion: blank out leaderboard, spectator and notification areas
true quartz
suggestion: wipe out osu account on every update
tidal lichen
add a pp counter?
stuck cairn
already suggested, there is none that work with akatsuki's rx
glass stone
fork streamcompanion and use akatsuki's oppai instead
though streamcompanion has a C# implementation of the performance calculator so vedal or someone else would either have to change it to use akatsuki's values, or run it in the background with Process.Start or something
alternative you could just say fuck it and use bancho's pp values since that's what most people play anyway
🤷
tidal lichen
put a link to the skin neuro uses in panels or with a !skin command?
pure sphinx
You can add an HTML snippet that reads the pp directly from akatsuki, and display it on stream. If you want a non-invasive way of showing her pp on stream
wide grottoBOT
GG @pure sphinx, you just advanced to level 4!
glass stone
wouldn't show live pp count for the current map tho
stuck cairn
https://akatsuki.pw/static/rxprofile.js maybe this could be used to show her current total PP on her profile
https://akatsuki.pw/api/v1/users/scores/recent?mode=0&p=1&l=20&rx=1&id=35270 this for her most recent plays
https://akatsuki.pw/api/v1/users/scores/best?mode=0&p=1&l=20&rx=1&id=35270 this for top plays
stuck cairn
glass stone
I'm guessing that means no
stuck cairn
im still reading it, so idk yet
stuck cairn
akatsuki uses a different algorythm for RX
glass stone
so calculating total should be easy
yeah we know that's the issue we had
since we wanted pp counter, but streamcompanion would have to be modified to use akatsuki's formulae
suggestion: make a #suggestions-discussion channel so people stop spamming #suggestions with things that aren't
stuck cairn
for now move to #574720535888396290
gritty comet
seeing as the training system uses epochs couldnt you just divide 100 by the amount of epochs and use that output as the training counter
wouldnt be supoer accurate but it would work
super*
forest forge
that's what I did before
but I'm using libraries for training now
so I'm not in direct control of events between epochs
eternal jacinth
wait if you play with the leaderboard in local only, since you dont send the score because offline ,its always going to be empty so it doesn't show ? or I'm miss remembering
forest forge
it will see my plays but yes, it just often details to global
honest mason
@forest forge since it got quite alright, how about you test it against a map it hasn't trained against yet?
pure sphinx
did you apply my training suggestion?
and offset the current frame and target x,y to the next frame?
for training
suggestion: disable ingame notifications
forest forge
@pure sphinx I don't think it would help tbh, why would it help?
I have disabled in-game notifications btw
@honest mason will do soon
pure sphinx
because unless your image processing is faster than your framerate
you'll be telling your AI to go to x,y based on the current frame, but current frame = past by the time the network returns the value
also, have you done validation playthroughs?
pure sphinx
checking if she's actually improving, by playing maps she hasn't trained on
honest mason
Well, it's obvious she learnt in one way or another
wide grottoBOT
GG @honest mason, you just advanced to level 5!
forest forge
I can see loss values and she is improving trust me
pure sphinx
I don't get why your osu client keeps saying "You're now playing relax", "You're now playing normal" ... etc
rich temple
akatsuki server
pure sphinx
:|
rich temple
maybe to see the scores she do
forest forge
scores
covert mirage
live pp counter + change the ready to play sound, its spooky as heck
forest forge
I'm taking read to play sound suggestions
covert mirage
@forest forge try showing this in the overlay somewhere too
it gives an overlay like that
azure ivy
someone first has to modify streamcompanion to match the akatsuki rx pp calculations
covert mirage
ah
thats an issue
wait, doesnt this run off of the client?
even if it shows inaccurate readings for the server, better then nothing
¯_(ツ)_/¯
forest forge
also cant read osu forums while on akatsuki client
queen shard
that overlay is bad imo
forest forge
i meant i cant read the post xd
covert mirage
oh, rip
wide grottoBOT
GG @covert mirage, you just advanced to level 1!
covert mirage
osu!StreamCompanion- as name might imply, this program is directed for osu! streamers.
Features:
Grabbing song title ANYWHERE you are in osu!
Built-in IRC twitch chat bot on TODO
Customisable map outputs
Key counter - how many times you clicked these 2 osu! keys since...(beginning of the stream?)
Play/Retry counter
Mods display
Twitch ==> osu! chat Relay on TODO
link the github repo
queen shard
ok gonna learn C# just to make is possible to create custom pp counters
covert mirage
oof
you can customise how the counter looks
the ss i took was with default settings
covert mirage
ah ok
queen shard
I wanted to create something like this
covert mirage
doesnt it output details to a file?
cant you read the files and use that?
itll be slower though, granted
queen shard
i think i have seen some issue about adding a WebSocket interface
that would be much better than reading from file or requesting the API every 50 ms LOL
covert mirage
wait a sec
surely you could just change the font and colours to make it look how you want
then get the overlay to cover what you dont want to be shown
its not that far of a leap tbh
you could get most of the way there by covering parts of the counter up
static black image with obs should do the trick
¯_(ツ)_/¯
queen shard
still won't be even close to the image I sent
covert mirage
already most of the way there by the visualiser transparent
some overlay tricks should be enough for the rest tbh
queen shard
anyways html/js/css widgets are better
covert mirage
fair
wide grottoBOT
GG @covert mirage, you just advanced to level 2!
covert mirage
you could just fork the repo and make whatever changes you want 🤷
queen shard
no, because I don't know C# well enough :D
covert mirage
its getting Close Enough ™
the blue area could just be the overlay and the red area could show actual values
giving you a lot more to customise how it looks
queen shard
there's no combo on the overlay and I does not have animations I had on my counter >:c
queen shard
¯_(ツ)_/¯
covert mirage
oof, that pp counter looks uglier then this
forest forge
apologies
covert mirage
its cool
covert mirage
@forest forge reeeee a radeon vii would prob serve better for workstation type loads then a 1080 ti
and you wont have to sell your house for it
covert mirage
fair point
but solely for neuro sama a radeon vii would probably do better then a 1080 ti
for games it does seem to suck a bit though
forest forge
hmm I thought a 1080 ti would be better
covert mirage
its kinda subjective tbh
a 1080 ti is a good balance
dont get me wrong its far from bad
but for more work station oriented stuff it does a tiny bit better then a 1080 ti
forest forge
for price obviously the Radeon vii would be better
pure sphinx
is the jump from your 2x 980's to a 1080Ti worth it tho?
covert mirage
i dont want to influence you for / against selling your house lmao
forest forge
oh and the other thing is that I can't use cuda on amd
covert mirage
amd uses openCL
forest forge
@pure sphinx I only have 1 currently
pure sphinx
not what your twitch thingie says :v
forest forge
yeah I don't want to have to port it
covert mirage
also full disclosure: may or may not be an amd fanboy
covert mirage
¯_(ツ)_/¯
regardless ima just sit here and be jealous while melting my cat on my rx 570
forest forge
understandable
pure sphinx
btw, iinstead of going 1080 Ti, go 2070
covert mirage
this ^
forest forge
1080 ti performs better for machine learning
pure sphinx
yet*
forest forge
@covert mirage not yet, it's for the future
covert mirage
™
azure ivy
i think you won't be able to use the tensor cores just like that?
forest forge
tensorflow probably can
honest mason
maybe slightly increase resolution @forest forge
atomic sorrel
Maybe add an !np bot since people ask for map links. Or display it on screen with osu stream companion or something
forest forge
azure ivy
sug: make the donation-text bigger, we're no ants 【=◈︿◈=】
delicate oak
Thoughts
I think it will be too op if she will get 1000 pp everytime without choking
honest mason
well
the point is
to get her to that stage
and how long it takes her and how she progresses
after that
she can start training on different games too
forest forge
river silo
more anteaters
forest forge
stuck cairn
https://discordapp.com/channels/574720535888396288/574725266346344470/575731475127861289 you should pin this one too
river silo
scoreboard is messing neuro-sama up at the beginning of plays. I don't know how to fix it, but I'm pretty sure it is focusing on it in the beginning
forest forge
shouldn't make too much of an impact
covert mirage
show the gameplay on stream from a spectators perspective, so we can see combo, score, etc, but feed neuro-sama the raw footage from the client?
river silo
train while watching
frosty cosmos
suggestion: take a screenshot when it's one miss or S or fc
stuck cairn
suggestion: make the automatic inputs click the switched servers messages at the bottomright after selecting mods
vapid fiber
if the gameplay on stream is from a spectator account, would it also be possible to change song while training?
glass stone
also you could use streamcompanion to show the combo/score/etc on stream without it being in-game
delicate oak
^
gritty comet
maybe use a different language like javascript
cos as god tier as python is
it is quite slow
glass stone
depends on the usecase
I really doubt it's better for this
PyPy often beats node as well
eternal jacinth
i don't know how good it is , but if you want python and C level of performance there is an extension called Cython
https://cython.org/
glass stone
that's much different
I don't know if the libraries vedal uses are compatible with it
gritty comet
ye
shadow knoll
I mean he could just be a chad and rewrite it in C++ 😘
gritty comet
pog
shadow knoll
gop
glass stone
you have to understand
there's a reason most people pick python for machine learning
also Cython has a much different syntax
shadow knoll
Because there are many liberies and prewritten stuff to allow integration to be as quick as possible
But I mean you could it in C++
C++ is easy enough to write in
glass stone
nice you have found out that tensorflow is partly written in C++
now you should understand why using C++ offers literally no benefit over python
glass stone
gonna need some benchmarks for that
glass stone
🙀
shadow knoll
That is the article I saw a few years back
glass stone
nice now maybe some benchmarks relevant to this usecase?
this is machine learning, not general purpose C++
the libraries are already mostly written in C++ with Python being the description layer
they're highly optimized already
shadow knoll
tbh I wanna see if vedal can write it in c++ as a challenge xd
glass stone
if you can point to machine learning-specific benchmarks that indicate C++ has a substantial enough benefit over Python in this specific application, and not in general, then I'd be happy to agree
coz I'm not gonna deny C++ is in general faster than Python that's obvious
shadow knoll
who cares
wide grottoBOT
GG @shadow knoll, you just advanced to level 1!
glass stone
not me
I want to see him doing things useful instead
also your point was "C++ is faster" which doesn't even apply
shadow knoll
ok who cares
My final thing, if I cannot provide evidence to my point then surely that makes your point just as invalid as mine as there is no evidence to ether side of the argument?
But anyway
Hope you have a good day my dude ❤
glass stone
no, because your point is "This is how it is" and my point is "you are wrong"
your job is to prove you aren't
I've already given you plenty of reason you are
shadow knoll
take some fresh air 😚
gritty comet
christ u guys sound like me and my best friend arguing
shadow knoll
I mean I couldn't care less lol
glass stone
my ex friend had an infatuation with C++ so I'm used to taking about how shit it is
shadow knoll
mad cus bad xd
glass stone
"I couldn't care less" says the person who is very bitter I said they were wrong
:~)
shadow knoll
lmao ok
I think he should write his code in self leveling concrete
That would be cool
glass stone
agree
lone creek
when the blokes start arguing about which code is better and all you can do it print("Hello world")
shadow knoll
🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
gritty comet
i would say python is one of the better ones for machine learning
but i like js for oop
gritty comet
js is hilarious for oop
glass stone
now there's something I can agree on
gritty comet
gritty comet
imagine having a shiba inu with a corn cob on its head for a profile picture
lone creek
what your saying fam you watch swing out sisters calm down
glass stone
imagine commenting on anime in a discord dedicated to an anime game
very smooth brain
gritty comet
lone creek
imagine being such a beta male you use poggers in chat
shadow knoll
LMAO
lone creek
poggers
glass stone
poggers
shadow knoll
wide grottoBOT
GG @shadow knoll, you just advanced to level 2!
shadow knoll
THAT MADE MY DAY
glass stone
thanks glad I could desalinate you xx
gritty comet
lul wut
wide grottoBOT
GG @gritty comet, you just advanced to level 4!
glass stone
:^)
gritty comet
oh pog
lone creek
look we don't need to argue about code we all know it should be made with rockstar like ok mate
wide grottoBOT
GG @lone creek, you just advanced to level 1!
lone creek
hell yeah
shadow knoll
Or we should have written it in assembly
eternal jacinth
^
lone creek
^
glass stone
^
gritty comet
^
eternal jacinth
probably ahs been said but an estimate time of the learning phase might be nice
honest mason
@shadow knoll You could probably do a benchmark of it on your system for c++ and python if you need to prove a point tbh. And anyways, you guys are all wrong. tensorflow would obv be the most efficient in KOBOL
pure sphinx
you could calculate.. how long it takes in average based on the lenght of the song (using previous data for reference)
shadow knoll
You could ask it politely
eternal jacinth
i have a feeling that since the autobot spin so fast when you take screeshot of the game the cursor is always near the same place, that might screw up some of the learning on the spinner
wide grottoBOT
GG @eternal jacinth, you just advanced to level 1!
forest forge
That used to be a problem but not anymore
rigid gate
neurocam is 60 (ish) fps now?
forest forge
yes
river silo
Have a huge watermark over play area when neuro is learning from auto
covert mirage
dont forget to add www.bandicam.com, unregistered hypercam 4, and EZ Screenrecorder
shadow knoll
xd
valid yew
I have got really weird and stupid idea
I just thought a little bit
That's too stupid
Ok, i will say
Heartbeat based on hardness spikes lol
covert mirage
... no
valid yew
I knew
valid yew
Yes, it's 3 am
covert mirage
hr would do nothing
stuck cairn
Suggestion: make all the numbers a 1x1 png so the spinns are more consistant
clear aspen
But the sound is?! aaaaa
I just thought to point this out somewhere, the unknown might be fun tho
covert mirage
im too poor to sub so insert poor man sub here
forest forge
free amazon prime trial smh
grave acorn
o n o
river silo
train individually for each map. It seems that it is worse at honesty today after having training with other maps. I think if you want it to FC a map, then it should just train for more epochs on a single map
wide grottoBOT
GG @river silo, you just advanced to level 1!
tight swift
training in individual maps leads to learning anti-patterns that make it worse for playing other maps (for example, it could learn something like that certain 2 black pixels on the upper right corner plus one black pixel on the upper left means it has to aim to the center, which might make it FC a certain map it is training, but it is not a real pattern that leads to playing maps in general).
wide grottoBOT
GG @tight swift, you just advanced to level 2!
glass stone
something needs to be done about the bot playing other game modes
I thought maps were already grouped by mode to avoid this idk what happened
stuck cairn
Suggestion: i sub only channel.
forest forge
@river silo That honesty play was with a completely new network with no training as a test
@glass stone yeah oops I fell asleep after setting it to play a certain map and without search criteria
glass stone
you can group it without search tho
that way even if search goes wrong you won't end up in a different mode
won't help with random titanic flute maps crashing osu tho
forest forge
yeah that's what I usually do
glass stone
oh
someone mentioned in twitch chat that you can restrict maps by star rating in osu!settings
if you don't want neuro-sama to be playing 2*s when the search does an oopsie
gusty rain
I think is a good idea to make a NN for playing Poker Texas Hold'em. But 100% is illegal @forest forge
glass stone
why would it be illegal, it doesnt have to be on an online game
honest mason
Holy shit yeah
wide grottoBOT
GG @honest mason, you just advanced to level 6!
honest mason
@forest forge could play texas holdem on tabletop sim or a designated game/make it himself
forest forge
probably make it myself
gusty rain
i am currently programming a Poker. 😃 (i am begginer)
glass stone
which poker
wide grottoBOT
GG @glass stone, you just advanced to level 13!
gusty rain
Texas Holdem when you have 2 cards and 5 community cards
glass stone
I know how the game works ~_~
gusty rain
xd i just told it clearly so everyone can understa d
plain agate
Snaking sliders so there is less clutter on the screen
Something to signify which stage of training she is on
wide grottoBOT
GG @plain agate, you just advanced to level 1!
proud finch
Twitch chat betting where players can guess the acc of each play.
covert mirage
y tho
glass stone
Fun
azure ivy
I could implement it, but can not tell beforehand if the next map will be ranked / submitted to gather the acc
If you want betting on absolutely every map, then vedal has to combine it with streamcompanion
glass stone
He should use stream companion anyway like we've been suggesting for literally years
covert mirage
this
glass stone
:3c
covert mirage
bruh
glass stone
The real snorlax
azure ivy
remove Why don't you run it from GPU? (most are aware now) and When will you turn off relax? (it's off now) from FAQ
glass stone
uh lool
don't remove gpu
people still join and comment on the "cpu temperature"
even though it's the gpu
forest forge
too late
azure ivy
sug: translate the faq to German
forest forge
nein
azure ivy
and mod @glass stone
forest forge
now thats a good suggestion
glass stone
uwu
forest forge
neri where actually are you from
glass stone
I'm UTC-3 atm, -4 non-dst
but I usually stay awake late into the night
just awake now due to family events this weekend
forest forge
yeah its good because I need people awake when my current mods are not
glass stone
I'm also a NEET so I'm on pmuch always
azure ivy
chat is barely spammed atm but could use a mod for sure
modless times are pretty big sometimes
glass stone
NEW ranked 1000pp cookiezi play!!
forest forge
alright neri dont kill anyone
glass stone
ok uwu
forest forge
whats your twitch?
azure ivy
congrats pog
glass stone
nericat
forest forge
ill take that as a yes
glass stone
yeah that is my profile pic
forest forge
yeah I added you
glass stone
I'll prob be back home in like 2 hrs
honest mason
everyone gets banned
glass stone
I'll start with vedal
forest forge
covert mirage
i want neuro-sama to play smiling
honest mason
sorry she's a neural network
I don't think she actually can smile
unless @forest forge
adds a function for her to smile
forest forge
she smiles in our hearts
glass stone
if ur not joking I think they meant this https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/450363#osu/966243
glass stone
I meant vedal idk what's going on anymore
glass stone
glass stone
idk if this has any plausibility
glass stone
also any updates on song requests
azure ivy
VIP to Royally_Jelly for high presence and good answering support
glass stone
someone in chat wants a 300 counter too, like how we have 0x100 0x50 0xMiss
novel stump
using DT would be an interesting way to decrease the actual time spent on training imo
forest forge
the training only captures at a set fps though so there would be less training data
covert mirage
just double the fps ez
pure sphinx
suggestion: make neuro-sama post updates to discord ( #574928403623444495 channel)
tight swift
It might never learn how to play DT with high OD, the fps the net runs at is not high enough.
stuck cairn
disable everyone and here
eternal jacinth
^
glass stone
done
forest forge
probably going to do a short relax pp stream in which we try and set some good plays, any map requests?
azure ivy
ROr, hONEsT TEa, biG bLACk, fREEdom DivE
honest mason
How about some cold green eyes dt fl
past sun
best friends?
queen shard
DrunkenSteiN
Last Goodbye
Shukusai no Elementalia, Soukai Rock, Caffeine Fighter, Now Loading, Ame to Kusari, Natsukoi Hanabi, Cycle Hit
and Harumachi Clover ofc cuz why not :>
stuck cairn
(insert any mazzerin map here)
glass stone
promethean kings +NC
pulsar iris
static charm
Centipede
vast hound
owoo
wide grottoBOT
GG @vast hound, you just advanced to level 2!