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deep field
like ideally I want to only have to reanimate a thing once
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right, you didnt go for the kill itself reaniamtor
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Im fighting the demons to not cut a land
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i think my pick is ghostly flicker
Its the most expensive flicker spell Im running
its either that or Essenceflux
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yeah that was a fine cut
essence flux is kinda my pet card XD but i never draw it in most of my games
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is sage of hour getting any combos out of it
seems like so much mana for that one
why did i not see [[ciderhaze wretch]] in the build, and in the future can consider [[oriq loremage]] in place of a tutor @deep field
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Creature — Elemental Shaman
: Target player discards a card. Activate only during your turn.
Put a -1/-1 counter on this creature: Untap this creature.
Thick smoke billows and twists to form disturbing faces that cackle and click their teeth to the popping embers.
3/2
Creature — Human Warlock
: Search your library for a card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle. If it's an instant or sorcery card, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Nothing can quell the Oriq's thirst for the forbidden secrets of the past.
3/3
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https://moxfield.com/decks/uXGeBhrTZE6na9hkeBI6Wg
is OG vorinclex making the deck B4 on moxfield?
lol so much ramp
i am meh on the cultivate and rampant growth here because more socery = less creature spells
steve is better almost every time
azusa would probably prefer more of a topdeck land play and/or [[horn of greed]] engine
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Ngl I forgot he was a gc/mld
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kek
rn, i think there is something not cohesive
did you got all out on limitless budget and put in bunch of edhrec good stuff in mono green
wicked gust
I see....so creatures that get lands not regular spells
wicked gust
did you got all out on limitless budget and put in bunch of edhrec good stuff in...
I mean I own most of em, so
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[[!last march of the ents]] so broken 😅
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i guess you wont be flipping vorinclex if oyu cast that one unless you are already winning really hard
was lowkey hoping [[!selvala heart of wilds]] sees everything but i guess it can only draw 1 if everything enters at once
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OG tribute to the world tree [[elemental bond]]
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the type of big sorcery you would want is probably something like a [[ezuri's predation]]
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rn, i think there is something not cohesive
Could do more +1 stuff
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maybe
whats the idea of cage sun
feels like the most non green mono colour ramp
if its like badger or ashaya land creature, i can see it doing more
the thing is i dont really want to turn off a 6 mana turn for a bigger following turn
at least the curve doesnt work in my head
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Funny enough if I do plus one counters and just be a remake of my second ever commander deck i ever made
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its what [[the grand evolution]] chapter 1 could be with the worst downside
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample, reach
When Vorinclex enters, search your library for up to two Forest cards, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
: Exile Vorinclex, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery.
6/6
The Grand Evolution
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Mill ten cards. Put up to two creature cards from among the milled cards onto the battlefield.
II — Distribute seven +1/+1 counters among any number of target creatures you control.
III — Until end of turn, creatures you control gain "
: This creature fights target creature you don't control." Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
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also really tough build around since it allows for opponent getting something
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[[Peema renegae]] back when [[paradox engine]] was not banned
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[[Rishkar Renegade]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
When Rishkar enters, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two target creatures.
Each creature you control with a counter on it has ": Add ."
"Aether is the soul of Kaladesh, and all souls should be free."
2/2
wicked gust
Ye
Back when it was not banned...legit I bought one and less than a week later it was banned
deft belfry
your paradox engine just says untap all land creatures
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Never got to use it
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[[$paradox engine]]
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[[#paradox engine]]
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deft belfry
3 mana recovery on a body, any targets in mind?
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[[$paradox engine]]
I think I bought it for $30
deft belfry
sounds about right
any cards over $10-20 dollar will probably not make back the money spent on it
for playable purpose
wait [[$beast whisperer]] is so expensive again
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deft belfry
when you can cheat creatures into play or just spam another big beater in, the cannot be countered is pointless text in commander
hexproof regenerate without evasion is mediocre
i don t think [[!germination practicum]] has much synergy in go tall. its a fun pet card perhaps but more for go wide
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[[evolution sage]] just does more with land synergy once the first counter goes on
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and scaling ramp [[gyre sage]]
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Creature — Elf Druid
Evolve (Whenever a creature you control enters, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
: Add for each +1/+1 counter on this creature.
1/2
wicked gust
I'll start doing the cuts for stuff like that
deft belfry
thats the other reason why i dont like cultivate
wicked gust
I think the paradine could be useful here
deft belfry
cultivate is nice if you want fixing and next turn land drop, but mono green dont need that
[[hunter insight]]
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this + trample is easy to draw a full grip
E witness lowkey has a mini powercreep if you dont have a clear target to recur [[evolution witness]]
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Creature — Elf Shaman Mutant
: Adapt 2. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put two +1/+1 counters on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand.
She remembers every breakthrough, from the gene's mutation to the new life's propagation.
2/1
deft belfry
^this do depends on how much +1 counter synergy is in the deck
not worth it otherwise
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i didnt see it
i am just going along with the thought process
and your mind is a bit linear
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I did state I could add more +1 stuff
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and your mind is a bit linear
Thefuckyoulol
deft belfry
but in reality i planned bugs in your eyes and i hacked it
😎 🖕
oh wrong hand
🖕 😎
better
deft belfry
they need a leftie middle finger XD
wicked gust
You a lefty?
deft belfry
Isn't there a 1 drop elf that etbs and gets a land?
hmmm it doesnt get you a land
[[wood elves]] is 3
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Maybe I'm also mixing it up with that 2 or 3 drop elf that etbs gets a land and draws a card
deft belfry
You a lefty?
no i just have two non dominate hands
🥴
one hand does something better than the other, but for both hands
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Thefuckeryisreal
deft belfry
1 drop elf can only let you put a land into play from your hand
or the human version [[krosan wayfarer]]
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2 land drops
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Lol
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2 additional*
love and hate ashaya for stuff like this
i want to play it alot but i dont want to have an ashaya combo deck
wicked gust
Ok. So how else would I focus this deck? I added in the stuff you said and cut a lot
deft belfry
and then everything is a land so its hard to not put land stuff matter
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Feel free to refresh the page
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.
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And the name of the deck
deft belfry
thats the final name? XD
wicked gust
i guess there is the expensive fun card [[innkeeper talent]]
I own it
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thats the final name? XD
Nah lol just what I came up with
deft belfry
as much as i avoid expensive cards for suggestions, i think those doubling season effect is IRREPLACEABLE in the game. the double counter on saga is just turbo through the book
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The best name for a deck was my old [[yargle glutton]] deck...
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Could do [[Doubling Season]] too
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[[!vastlands scavenger]] havent read this one before since i skipped spoilers
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deft belfry
Could do [[Doubling Season]] too
nah dont need for now
an interesting slow recovery i have tried is [[the aesir escape valhalla]]
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saga and +1 counter so automatically counter synergy
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ofc , its voltron XD
😠
wheres the fling
i dont see fling
[[rite of consumption]][[essence harvest]]
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🖕
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These were cards o owned no proxys
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fine
own all the $$ cards and no bulk commons
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must be nice
🧂
i think the reason to not fling in black is the single target
[[showstopping surprise]] all the chandra ignition wannabe just hurt so much more when they do hit face
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instant so this one is only creatures
the blight one is the spell doing damage to ONLY opponents stuff
ignition is the OG damage to all
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own all the $$ cards and no bulk commons
I did have a lot of bulk Commons bur gave em away to an lgs who uses them to teach nee players
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🥹
could have gave it to my bulk commander deck
i will pretend to be the nee player and build it out of scrape
scrap
[[!trash for treasure]]
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but looking at Yargle, you do have mono black zombie
quite literally just bunch of zombies in a mono colour deck XD
some questionable card draws 😅
the black flings would work out since it regain some life
i already forgot that [[!vampiric rites]] has gain 1 tacked onto it
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never noticed its reverse phyexarena
ehh but the sac without enough tokens is so bad
as if skullclamp draw is balanced, mana+ sac + tap creature, draw 1 card
idk what kind of deck wants vampiric rites as a sac outlet other than budget
[[oathsworn vampire]][[starseer mentor]][[withering curse]]&[[witch of the moors]]
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value life gain matter and lack of budget sacrifice outlet
😅
more niche than i imagined
[[regal blood lord]] the best with it
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i think i find the type of cards you want [[up the beanstalk]]
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some people play [[drumhunter]] too but i am meh on that one
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Creature — Human Druid Warrior
At the beginning of your end step, if you control a creature with power 5 or greater, you may draw a card.
: Add 
.
"I feel the vine-rhythm as my friends drive the beast to me. I will not miss my mark."
2/2
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utility land like scvenger ground wont hurt
rougue passage also nice with power matter and ramping hard
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could have gave it to my bulk commander deck
MY guy discord wasn't even a thing back then XD like 2020 2021
Ok the Vorinclex deck is at 100, thoughts on it now?
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MY guy discord wasn't even a thing back then XD like 2020 2021
your account literally say 2017
my is 2017 too, i think my first discard account is like 2016 or something
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Ok the Vorinclex deck is at 100, thoughts on it now?
whats your thought on it
is Thrun your pet card
[[$the banyan tree]]
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to think that the $58 version is the cheapest 🤦
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ehh i dont like [[yavimaya elder]]
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Creature — Human Druid
When this creature dies, you may search your library for up to two basic land cards, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
, Sacrifice this creature: Draw a card.
2/1
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its like 5 mana to get back 3 cards
so its like a bad harmonize
[[!ghalta stampede]] seems popular, i dont really see its appeal
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its fine as a payoff or just a 12/12 body
i think its like [[khalni hydra]] just a big* scaling creature for its cost
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Creature — Hydra
This spell costs less to cast for each green creature you control.
Trample
"In ages past, bargains were struck and promises were made. Now we must collect on our debt. Begin the hymns." —Moruul, Khalni druid
8/8
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happens to come across [[karametra acolyte]] in the search, which may catch a bit of interest. for the most part idk what putting everything on board without haste do
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Creature — Human Druid
: Add an amount of equal to your devotion to green. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to green.)
"The wilds are a garden tended by divine hands."
1/4
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it would be nice with wild pair tho
getting the double ghalta out in one play
basically need haste for something to happen
probably wont matter but fyi, flipped cards without a cmc on the top will check the cmc of the front side
wicked gust
your account literally say 2017
Holy shit wtf? My sense of time is terrible
deft belfry
so saga vorinclex is still 5
wicked gust
Bah
deft belfry
i didnt plan on your having both E witness in there lol
dang missing land drop already >.<
i guess if i turn 4 vorinclex i would guarantee the land
just need to split the cards up into early game set up to late game big cards or resilience recursions
the downside to E witness is that normally, noting goes to grave until something is destroyed
[[mossborn hydra]] landscaling +1 counter
and the most broken [[$ouroboroid]] i think this one is too strong
deft belfry
is it my screen or [[!nissa ascended animist]] was always this hard to read the text box
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the moxfield one has bad contrast for some reason
faded out black text
it s going to sound wrong since i dont find drop all creature ghalta interesting, one of the thing about it is that it misses all the cast triggers. if you do consider versatility, there is also [[silverback elder]] 5 drop somewhat low cost for a big body
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tbh the body does not matters as much because once there are counters on them, everything will be bigger than everything else
trample and cheat mana is usuallywhat it is about
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is Thrun your pet card
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it s going to sound wrong since i dont find drop all creature ghalta interesting...
LOVE Silverback, I have a pre release stamp of him
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happens to come across [[karametra acolyte]] in the search, which may catch a bi...
I have a lot of copys of it
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is Thrun your pet card
The idea is they get big, they can't be targeted or indestructible, or Regent and keep the counters
Than drop a mass trample
Plus thrun is a silly lil guy
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[[glimpse the core]] didnt know about this card before are there any good caves in the game
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Maybe ye
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[[glimpse the core]] didnt know about this card before are there any good caves ...
I played a few games of mairsil and it overall felt really good btw!
Thanks sm for you help
Gonna look for some way to slot in [[Galecaster Colossus]] and [[Glen Elendra, Archmage]]
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Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying
, Sacrifice this creature: Counter target noncreature spell.
Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
2/2
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And I realize now [[Mikaeus, The Unhallowed]] should get play because [[Necrotic Ooze]] and [[Marvin, Murderous Mimic]] get a huge boost from those two
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I saw IMMEDIATE return on slotting in [[Nezahal, Primal Tide]]
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why did i not see [[ciderhaze wretch]] in the build, and in the future can consi...
did you see those two cards
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And I realize now [[Mikaeus, The Unhallowed]] should get play because [[Necrotic...
yeah never doubt on mikaeus if its for combos
although it is kinda gross with glen elendra lock
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[[$mikaeus unhallowed]] still waiting for a reprint of this fuk
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real reprint
[[$galecaster colosus]] isnt a card i remember, hardly see it in any sets
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did you see those two cards
I did, I think I want to test a bit more before I slot in cinderhaze, but I think maybe I can find a spot for oriq loremage
deft belfry
the new nerfed version came out from recent changeling set
oriq so good for lot of things, usually for the graveset up on repeat but the spell is relevant too
a card made for grave matters + value
deep field
the new nerfed version came out from recent changeling set
Nerfed version?
deft belfry
its like a weaker glen
deep field
oh [[Glen Elendra, Guardian]]
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Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flash
Flying
This creature enters with a -1/-1 counter on it.
, Remove a counter from this creature: Counter target noncreature spell. Its controller draws a card.
"The home of the fae must be protected."
3/4
deft belfry
thought of this card hhmmmmmm does this one work with mairsil
[[?Koh the face stealer]]
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Would be sweet tech tho
deft belfry
btw, how was nezahal used, reanimated to cheat into play for card draw?
or you have to use the backup activated ability
deft belfry
LOVE Silverback, I have a pre release stamp of him
should play more cards you love and not take away the shine of the commander. anything you dont want to cut at all?
i am thinking of ramp such as [[Topiary Stomper]]
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deft belfry
creature type and 4 power, triggers lot of stuff in the deck, and i think thats the value that beats 3 visit type of ramp
double pips also not affected in mono green
so its like the superior wood elf for mono green
unlike powercreep cards [[fanatic of rhonas]] i like the lower price too
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Creature — Snake Druid
: Add .
Ferocious — : Add . Activate only if you control a creature with power 4 or greater.
Eternalize (, Exile this card from your graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie Snake Druid with no mana cost. Eternalize only as a sorcery.)
1/4
deft belfry
i am usually meh on mana dorks, this one i just have to acknowledge since its the stupid power creep set
go from 2-4 mana all the way to potentially 6-10 mana is just insane amount of burst mana
ofc 4 toughness is out of reach for red removal and no one is going to path/sword a mana dork 99% of the time
and thats before going into the self reuseable grave ability that enable its ferocious condition
again, hating on MH3
so i think it depends on where you draw the line from $ and power level stand point
i think the cards over $10 are generally too much regardless of what it can do
[[$ohran frostfang]] i think i got this around $2 cad, its amazing in green since most things already have trample /will gain trample
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so it lowkey makes green unblockable with a 6 toughness for blocking and card staples onto it
i ran it with simic Volo so that i can double/triple the draw trigger
and for just 1 more mana, i think the deathtouch is usually better than [[$toski bearer of secrets]] its own self 'goad' makes it a bad blocker even if i dont care about making token copies of it
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ofc, your commander is 5 drop rather than my volo at 4 drop, so that overlap is up to preference
they are all just repeatable [[guardian protect]] standard green draw
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not that i think you need more with the current set up
(of the enchantment draws)
neither am i trying to replace everything with creatures, just in favour of the creature type more but not against all the non creature cards
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should play more cards you love and not take away the shine of the commander. an...
In fine with any cuts tbh
deft belfry
cuts decks in half
for reference, which one do you like more between frostfang and toski
deft belfry
lol, didnt expect the [[!prmeval protector]] add
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2 land hands are so risky tho...
really depends on how you want the deck to set up, is it one turn after vorinclex hits the field from CZ or set up before that with alternatives
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or you have to use the backup activated ability
Backup activated ability, made it so mairsil got to dodge a boardwipe without needing mana from me
also filled my yard with activated ability
and allowed me to get a new activated ability while it wasnt my turn
Very high value play
deft belfry
so lowkey the worse case scenario but it worked out
yeah its nice that discard doesnt affect you
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Makes it especially unfair because I had amodeus already on mairsil so I just filled my hand back up
deft belfry
yeah amodeus is basically the reason to build a mairsil deck imo
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yeah amodeus is basically the reason to build a mairsil deck imo
yeah tbh there just needs another one or two broken draw card abilities that are intended to have a downside
And Mairsil will become so much smoother
deft belfry
i built Omnath locus of all once because i got it as the box topper i just wanted to play [[villious wealth]]
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but it never worked out 😢
5c omnath is such a poor build around
its 3 pips tribal and everyone i ve seen fails on those reveal like 80% of the time, i got my around 50~% and it s still very inconsistent
and thats with omnath staying out the full turn cycle
good luck getting enough mana to cast a big X spell
one time it got countered, the other times it did basically nothing because i dont have a clear spellslinger type of payoff. playing opponent's cards only works if oyu know their deck really well
or just never draw the fun spell in the 99
having a commander that make 'bad' or secret commander(s) work is very satisfying
[[$zopandrel hunger dominus]]
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🤮 too much for me
overstepping into B3 territory with all good stuff cards
without early ramp it is slow
but some games it would just drop one thing and the entire hand into play
and the only answer would be board wipe
maybe [[gaea's blessing]]
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for reference, which one do you like more between frostfang and toski
toski as i own toski an dnot frostfang
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maybe [[gaea's blessing]]
i have a few copys but never use it
deft belfry
chapter 1 of saga self mill + cheat is nice with all those big beaters, so if they do end up in grave, target shuffle would increase the chance of hitting them
ch2 & 3 isnt anything special since its basically value removal / raw power
since green lacks creature removal, getting that ch3 is really powerful
there is always the option of stronic resonator for the double trigger
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Random side question @deft belfry
I pulled a [[!kavaron]] just now. Think it be an interesting include for the [[!klothys god]] burn deck as a way to fuel the mini ramp and make blockers for the chandras?
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[[!kavaron memorial]]
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deft belfry
sac lands is kinda really bad in general
i think the awkward part is
having to target in your main phase
so that you cant sac in the same moment
you have to sac in draw phase or something to make that token and give haste
those are not good blockers as you can just make 0/1 instead
and then its the station part
deft belfry
I pulled a [[!kavaron]] just now. Think it be an interesting include for the [[!...
where do you get enough creatures in a planeswalker deck
i think you get more out of a your ... [[!forgotten cave]] at that point, iirc that was in the deck
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wicked gust
Fair
deft belfry
i only remember the 1 mana ones, 2 mana cycling is over costed in comparison
until i go for the very tight slot at B3 ish i usually have ash barren as my budget filter filler land
my biggest hate on signet is just because while they fix mana, they dont reduce my land count in the 99
most decks just have zero synergy with their mana rocks and are there purely for a earlier 4 drop and smoother curve
which isnt a bad thing, but i dislike that play pattern if thats the case for every deck
deft belfry
[[tectonic reformation]] janky since there arent enough cards to make this consistent but it can somewhat open up the 'resources send to grave' option
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Enchantment
Each land card in your hand has cycling 
.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
Alone in the charred desolation of her kingdom, she regretted many things—most of all not acting sooner.
deft belfry
this i dont have a clear answer to how to make it work especually when there arent really ways to get this out
if the deck already runs something like [[cool but rude]] i can see more potential with a discard theme
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever you attack, you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
: Level 2
Whenever you discard a card, this Class deals 2 damage to each opponent.
: Level 3
When this Class becomes level 3, search your library for a card, put it into your hand, shuffle, then discard a card at random.
deft belfry
i had the cycling stuff with [[zirda dawn]] at some point but i havent rebuilt that deck for over a year
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Fox
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has an activated ability. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Abilities you activate that aren't mana abilities cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
, : Target creature can't block this turn.
3/3
deft belfry
it has the benefit of war room and bonder conclave for the low cost of 
: Draw
deft belfry
https://youtu.be/4aGmNlEqb7o?t=3709 good to know they mentioned nothing* i missed nor interested in, green deck probably want this lowkey 'tutor' card
wicked gust
Working on something probably dumb
I was given the og strixhaven witherbloom precon. Than I get both the new quandrix and new witherbloom decks both for $65 , I don't have a lifegain deck and don't really do golgari. So I decided to combine both. Needing cuts and ideas
A lot of cuts
tall willow
I have this Captain America deck, and I recently got [[Cloud, Midgar Mercenary]] and [[Improvised Arsenal]] to put in it, but I don't know what to cut. . . also if you have any suggestions for additional cards to add or cut, that would be greatly appreciated!
https://moxfield.com/decks/ETxSqna2Yki8U11e52wpGQ
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 for each artifact you control.
: Create a token that's a copy of this Equipment.
Equip
"I want rock 'n' roll, man! Lucky I brought my own drumsticks . . ." —Casey Jones
deft belfry
I was given the og strixhaven witherbloom precon. Than I get both the new quandr...
switching already? XD
wicked gust
switching already? XD
More so I own em and I'll try em, I don't own a copy of the golgari lady from the WD without proxying and I can't get new ink atm as I'm out of it and can't afford it atm
keen fractal
help, is this random deck i found on archidekt any good? https://archidekt.com/decks/14762813/100_cedh_technically_bracket_2_antimeta_mwc
deft belfry
as someone who dont play Cedh and interested in its meta, that my words with a grin of salt
lot of stats i can see dont add up, but the stax do affect some decks more than others
[[zetalpa primal dawn]] kinda shows that it is a joke?
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deft belfry
oh rather its "Cedh" in the meta of the person who built the deck?
those are all cards that only affect creature combat wins decks
37 lands one 'ramp' rock, being a 5 drop [[!the eternity elevator]]
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deft belfry
help, is this random deck i found on archidekt any good? https://archidekt.com/d...
so, is it good? depends on your highly specific meta
i dont run any fog in my average deck (except for like 1 or 2) out of probably 50+ decks i have built and taken apart over. i hardly see anyone run purely creature fog in their builds in like all the ones i see. BUT a fog may as well be an 'extra turn spell' if used in the right moment
'opponent skips this current game winning turn, you get to live an another turn'
deft belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/XxJq2Iod-EeiDOD5B33I3A
need a direction, do you want to/need to have the 2 card infinite
set goals for yourself
otherwise you are always stuck in this spiral of deck brewing, upgrading and cutting out cards
what is it you want to do and what you find fun
those are not things i can define for you
[[$gyome master chef]] i hope i can find a super cheap copy
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deft belfry
that drop tho XD
i think i waited like 3years for this reprint so i can put it in a jund food deck
wicked gust
need a direction, do you want to/need to have the 2 card infinite
I have the cards and I never use em, so could
deft belfry
I was given the og strixhaven witherbloom precon. Than I get both the new quandr...
idr what is in the witchcraft precon and i dint really looked at the witherbloom spoiler at all, all i know is that pests are like the core theme. -dies, gain life, value matters stuff
you can build 2 decks, no overlap XD
so one commander, 198 cards deck (only basics can overlap)
its one of my personal challenge i have not completed fully to this day
the catch is when you play game 2, 'i ll switch from [insert named commander] to this exact same commander...'
but the 99 is COMPLTETEly different
[[!jungle hallow]] is one of my most budget and better tapped gate i would would run in a deck
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deft belfry
i dont usually have 1 drop where i would encounter that tempo lost early on
if i do top deck it and have no other lands, that means i am top decking and have a bigger issue
a small amount of tapped land usually doesnt hurt a deck that much
its fine if you want no taps at all
[[epicure of blood]] overcosted, slow, low payoff = easy cut
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deft belfry
ofc if you are planning for [[!exquisite blood]] win, then it doesnt matter because you would just have redundancy before tutors
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deft belfry
[[!dina essense brewer]] by nature is just reverse fling
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deft belfry
its kinda like [[!brion stoutarm]] if they dont struggle with card advantage
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deft belfry
and since dina comes with draw, you at least turn things into cantrip
tokens can become direct value
and the reverse fling is both life gain and counters which means you can repeat that combat damage especially on something with evasion
brion is single use damage
if you run a low curve + mass token yourself, be careful when using [[!culling ritual]] as its no longer one sided
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deft belfry
the ritual part can still be very much worth it
instead of OG [[!dina osul steeper]]
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deft belfry
who cares about multi and a lot more instances of life gain, new Dina only does Big gain once at a time
while they arent nombo, they do have very different scaling and theme
the power matter is nice though which is just a generic green theme
yet, OG dina lacks the evasion
and counters is better than temporary +X which also doesnt pump toughness
i am meh on low utility vampires and single use life gain stuff
gainning doesnt win you the game, damage does
generic removals win games
for a low curve deck, i cant even call [[!beledros witherbloom]] ramp
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deft belfry
and the lower your total land count (land tokens included) the less it reward you get out of it
if a deck runs beledros as the commander, obviously sol ring would be in there. yet it is also one of the cards that doesnt get untapped by it
so, if not for a life+ pest deck, it is actually like a worse [[wildness reclamation]]
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deft belfry
I have this Captain America deck, and I recently got [[Cloud, Midgar Mercenary]]...
may have to look at this after work
do need tagging to split up some stuff tho
number of ramp, removal, you can probably skip card type /main focus tags
and you can think about whenever you want sunforger type of things after all
[[!leonin shikari]] one of a kind effect iirc, can reequip at flash speed
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keen fractal
so, is it good? depends on your highly specific meta
i changed it around a little bit here. is it any better now? https://archidekt.com/decks/23059723/my_first_commander_deck_heliod_god_of_the_sun
keen fractal
set goals for yourself
i’m actually very new to the game 💀 i just saw that this deck looked cool lol
keen fractal
i dont run any fog in my average deck (except for like 1 or 2) out of probably 5...
what is a fog 💀💀💀
keen fractal
[[zetalpa primal dawn]] kinda shows that it is a joke?
why, what is wrong with that card?
deft belfry
[[fog]] [[!holyday]]
deft belfry
gtg to work
keen fractal
gtg to work
good luck at work!
wicked gust
so, if not for a life+ pest deck, it is actually like a worse [[wildness reclama...
So try to focus it? I'll work in it later. I also got the new quandrix deck and wanna do a pseudo fractal tribal or just spam em all out via [[primo the]]
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wicked gust
[[Primo the unbound]]
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keen fractal
https://moxfield.com/decks/fxwxFDzWDUermhXmIg4ABQ
is this a viable budget deck?
storm fox
i have decided i wanted to build a myojin deck
decided to have atraxa at the helm cuz of proliferating of the counters for the myojin
problem being is that my current version of the list feels very clunky
https://moxfield.com/decks/phZJCxJn9UGKsQuTxYnVBg
intended b2 (also i tagged my deck for once in advance)
tall willow
do need tagging to split up some stuff tho
I tagged the stuff 
deft belfry
So try to focus it? I'll work in it later. I also got the new quandrix deck and ...
well, after all the decks you have built i am sure you have learnt something from past experience... whenever it is a janky theme, a synergistic focused deck, or aimming for more power with consistency of sort
deft belfry
He looks more fun than the face commander
i think so if you are more into combat than spells slinging, although this idea did somewhat existed in gruul before,
deft belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/fxwxFDzWDUermhXmIg4ABQ
is this a viable budget deck?
oh, yeah i would think so
why so many recovery/recur from grave cards though
the board wipe part may make it unfun to play against though as it is somewhat becoming stax
i think there are too few basics with all your basic fetches
keen fractal
oh, yeah i would think so
do you think this is better than my lotr rohan precon. as in is it worth buying (if it’s better
deft belfry
idr the rohan precon
this deck has some issues though
even if i ignore the mana/land base
they are many better bulks to run, so you dont end up with some sort of spell slinger theme in naya
its like you are trying to avoid having creatures or something
your win con is probably ONLY zacama voltron damage
unless you count removing everything a win
deft belfry
i have decided i wanted to build a myojin deck
decided to have atraxa at the hel...
i didnt want to start with the mana but yeah... the mana arent working
talismans only gets half the commander's identity, unless you are lowkey going simic or something, having this "balanced" mana source is nowhere near balanced for the deck
and let say in theory, the whole deck is like 25% of each colour somehow, they are still not the best fixer because
you have so many colourless sources
guild signet would literally be better since they can filter your mana
and because something like [[!bloom tender]] sees your permanents, while it is an insane source of ramp, it doesnt actually fixes mana
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deft belfry
well at least not without hybrid cards
so in a 4 colour deck, having to hard cast, let say[[!myojin of nights reach]]
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deft belfry
it extremely difficult without some all colour lands
and ofc, you dont need chromatic lantern nor fetch triomes
you just need the right basic at the right timing
just have to somewhat pay attention to whenever a card fixes the mana you dont have or not
i usually start with more forest because all of the land fetching starts with green
and then i can run 30 baiscs in a 3 colour (ex. temur) deck and still have all my colours
just need to somewhat increase my odd of having different colour manas
because i would have higher forest count, i would probably not use green signet or talisman at all over my other colours
keen fractal
and because something like [[!bloom tender]] sees your permanents, while it is a...
speaking of elves, are there any good budget elf decks 😅
deft belfry
which convert my green into non green and assemble at least 3 of my colours right away
deft belfry
speaking of elves, are there any good budget elf decks 😅
did you google anything
i think lathriel isnt that expensive far as i remember
very specific pieces/combo/powerful dependent cards might be more expensive
wicked gust
I'll try my best lol
deft belfry
aeeehhh
wut
4 colours dont need a beast within when you can do better things with like 1-2 mana
contractual is okay but need set up, its more of a dream case scenario counter spread
void rend, only gives you more colour issues as i assume green usually ends up as the dominate colour
atomize is better since it also comes with proliferate, although is it going to be played at a good time / on curve is arguable. it is a single target removal at 4 mana
having a full board with counters maybe like 7+ turns into the game
[[!austere command]] i think just hurt you like 75% of the time
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deft belfry
<= 3 cmc, more than half of your set up creatures
= 4 all your big non indestructible overcosted creatures, and kills your commander
artifact is your current main way of ramping?
enchantment is one of its weakest mode imo since there are usually not that many enchantment focused decks. and you have green white to target removal problematic enchantments
costral piracy cares for go wide into value draw
there isnt exactly a token generator/engine
[[!wishclaw talisman]] is fine as a tutor + politic fun
i guess you put it here to grab a myojin or proliferate wishes. thematic but that just makes it harder to ever get it back
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deft belfry
[[!metastatic evangel]] vs [[!flux channeler]] i would say choose a side as they are things that will never trigger together
deft belfry
with the exception of adventure where you can get both (one at a time) from a single card (i guess omen sort of count too?)
[[replicating ring]] is sort of a trap in slow proliferate
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Snow Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a night counter on this artifact. Then if it has eight or more night counters on it, remove all of them and create eight colorless snow artifact tokens named Replicated Ring with ": Add one mana of any color."
deft belfry
you basically want to speed it up twice as fast to expect anything to ever come out from it
[[aetheric amplifier]][[vorel of the hull clade]] something
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Choose one. Activate only as a sorcery.
• Double the number of each kind of counter on target permanent.
• Double the number of each kind of counter you have.
Legendary Creature — Human Merfolk
, : Double the number of each kind of counter on target artifact, creature, or land.
"I used to hurl rocks and eat scraps of meat burned over a fire. Look at what I've become and tell me Simic does not hold infinite possibility."
1/4
deft belfry
my favourite would have to be [[pir imagin rascal]] and things that move counters
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deft belfry
creature that atraxa would like is something similar to [[botanical brawler]]
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deft belfry
as popular atraxa is, i think it is actually really had to make atraxa fun, yet there are SO SO SO MANY atraxa decks you can find online, most are kinda powerful and salt inducing and then a bunch that doesnt really get to do what they want
having 4 colour is sort of a trap
[[arna kennerud skycaptain]][[denry kjin editor in chief]]or just tidus all make it much simplier
deft belfry
i just removed [[ripple of potential]] in my [[omo queen of vesuva]] bad mechanics (from early magic history) deck since its not giving me that much value. but i think that would be really nice with atraxa, sagas, and perhaps myojins? if you find ways to cheat them into play, you can use avatar's [[aang airbending master]] airbend mechanic to cast them cheaply
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Legendary Creature — Human Avatar Ally
When Aang enters, airbend another target creature. (Exile it. While it's exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Whenever one or more creatures you control leave the battlefield without dying, you get an experience counter.
At the beginning of your upkeep, create a 1/1 white Ally creature token for each experience counter you have.
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deft belfry
anything thing about mana base is that, since i run mostly basics (too lazy to grab all the good lands from the good deck) i avoid double pips for ex [[anafenza kin tree spirit]] into triple colour pips because it means i cant play a lot of the things on curve
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deft belfry
after all that is the initial counter to start off proliferate; and then able to control the time for getting those extra counters (better blocks, prevent lethal damage) triggers from placing counters to get the cards you can use on your main phase
storm fox
aeeehhh
the interaction was added last minute (maybe i even added to little) to be able to simulate playtest with not just all gas but also some nessecary interaction
storm fox
you have so many colourless sources
i count just the sol ring and the chalice, is that already considered too many in a 4 color deck?
storm fox
https://scryfall.com/card/tle/74/aang-airbending-master
the myojin unfortunatly require to be cast from hand so recasting the this way won't work i think
storm fox
[[!metastatic evangel]] vs [[!flux channeler]] i would say choose a side as they...
would it be more worth it to swap to mana dorks in ramp instead of artifact and go full creature's?
with maybe a +1+1 counter route with the myojins at the top end?
storm fox
also, at what point in the game should i get attraxa down? only once i get counters on stuff or just as quickly as possible?
deft belfry
[[Albert warrior of darkness]] for ex a simple way to do that, and vigilance allows for the end step proliferate to take effect with the blocks
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deft belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/7B5ss_AkfESFVUdx9cHvqw
hunter insight instill energy swift/lavaspur boot
if have to make some cuts, its good to reconsider hardened scale vs branching evolution effs, since the commander puts so much counter at once, but there is no denying HS is a counter powerhouse almost on par with the ozolith (which if move all counters at once, works better with doubling)
more cuts: evasionless 0/0s that seems to cost too much mana, can add (equipment) double strike. And thick about total cost of the spells as x is definitely not going to be 0, how high is the curve of the deck really
deft belfry
i count just the sol ring and the chalice, is that already considered too many i...
depends on how much fixing you ended up with
it just means its harder to get the right card out on curve
deft belfry
the myojin unfortunatly require to be cast from hand so recasting the this way w...
mb on that, late night talk overlooked
not using to trying to put more than 3+ dead cards in the deck and this has like all of them
at like 7 mana, i am lucky if i can play 1 per game
getting more than 1 into your hand is kinda a death sentence
deft belfry
would it be more worth it to swap to mana dorks in ramp instead of artifact and ...
i think it doesnt matter as long as it is consistent, because it just need to have targets for proliferate
storm fox
getting more than 1 into your hand is kinda a death sentence
i absolutely agree
deft belfry
like earthbending can give all lands counters
deft belfry
with maybe a +1+1 counter route with the myojins at the top end?
yeah that would be easy with creature but i wont try to add more theme until the myojin is figured out
deft belfry
also, at what point in the game should i get attraxa down? only once i get count...
when you would want to cast a proliferate spell
storm fox
i've been playtesting with some of the depletion lands and triomes added, might do a little bit of tweaking but i now find color generation not the problem i think
deft belfry
i dislike atraxa before T5 for the most part as it is a high cost for a removal magnet
3 different colour lands + T2 ramp? = dead atraxa imo
and even if it stays
you have just land and non utility rock with no counters
storm fox
true
deft belfry
if its just +1 counter theme, there are too many cards to consider and they dont exactly help myojin theme
storm fox
i did add some extra removal and card draw and removed some of the extra proliferate, found that that made the list a bit less clunky
deft belfry
i like that old mechanic Graft that is easy to spread counters
and it triggers on atraxa's own entering
storm fox
i like that old mechanic Graft that is easy to spread counters
never heard of graft
deft belfry
not that many cards but they are interesting since they 'move' counters
when used with hardened scale, every move is like doubling
so [[vigean hydropon]] is like 10 total counters across 5 other creatures
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deft belfry
realistically, only [[llanowar reborn]] is the good one because its also a land
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Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
Graft 1 (This land enters with a +1/+1 counter on it. Whenever a creature enters, you may move a +1/+1 counter from this land onto it.)
storm fox
realistically, only [[llanowar reborn]] is the good one because its also a land
that seems like a really easy include
tho i gotta make sure i don't put in too many taplands
deft belfry
yeah i think below 5/36 is rarely an issue
even high power be running all those surveils with fetches
its the timing of when to drop the tapped land
before T5 it hardly hurt
for myojin, i think until you hit that cruial top deck mana to cast big stuff, its okay
i would probably stay with the artifact ramp and run [[archeaomancer's map]]
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deft belfry
so close almost spelt it right
in 4 colours you can run guildpairing bounce lands and get lot of extra tempo
storm fox
yeah i think below 5/36 is rarely an issue
currently at 9 tapland on 35 lands
deft belfry
[[strict proctor]]
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Creature — Spirit Cleric
Flying
Whenever a permanent entering causes a triggered ability to trigger, counter that ability unless its controller pays .
"You might believe being dead for centuries has made me more lenient. I think you'll find the opposite to be true."
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storm fox
wouldn't that be to inconsistent? would only work when strict procotor is in play
deft belfry
yeah that one is more of a jank thing i am doing
but i will try to use that with bounce lands so i can skip the bounce part
itself is kinda a mini stax piece
only picked up arch map the other day, havent play tested
so its a nombo with proctor as well
storm fox
i play the map in Ao, and it often does work there
tho i don't think i'll do that in this list tho
deft belfry
gtg so i will look at the list again later along with that captain america one [[leonin shikari]] it just need to be more careful about theme and synergy as the captain's shield protection fails to work with red/white equipments
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storm fox
also if you all your opponents hit their landdrops while you only are 1 behind you can still get 3 extra landfall triggers with it on their turns bouncing the bounceland itself back to hand
storm fox
gtg so i will look at the list again later along with that captain america one [...
aight
storm fox
when used with hardened scale, every move is like doubling
instead of hardened scales i might add [[winding constrictor]]
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deft belfry
instead of hardened scales i might add [[winding constrictor]]
yeah i prefer something liek that too
just fyi, your biggest weakness is stun counter
fickle edge
or infect
deft belfry
not really
because oyu dont have to proliferate poison on yourself
and you have the option to block or not block creatures with infect
if you are playing energy with proliferate, than the niche infect could be bad
deft belfry
yeah i prefer something liek that too
overall just by having more creatures, its easy to move or add counters onto your permanent
or saga creatures, which will eventually die but i am sure those has some of the best value in the game as you go through the chapters
but back to myojins
deft belfry
i changed it around a little bit here. is it any better now? https://archidekt.c...
its bit better although idk if this heliod is a good beginner deck to try.
but if you like it, and is affortable, why not
as you play test/goldfish, you can see what are cards that are just not as good as it looks
and good to know the interactions ahead of time to know what you want to do with the deck and how to do it
should cut those
not worth in the build as of now
storm fox
just fyi, your biggest weakness is stun counter
probably, tho i could just decide not to increase the permanents with stuncounters, no?
i'm also playtesting and i often get into either these kind of scenario's or i get down a myojin early
fickle edge
because oyu dont have to proliferate poison on yourself
i just mean if someone else is playing infect and infect players love to get around blockers anyway. It's not a major fear since people rarely play infect these days but still something to consider
wicked gust
I'm down to the last 9 cuts and they are tough https://moxfield.com/decks/7B5ss_AkfESFVUdx9cHvqw
tall willow
[[!leonin shikari]] one of a kind effect iirc, can reequip at flash speed
Other than ze kitteh, any other suggestions?
deft belfry
probably, tho i could just decide not to increase the permanents with stuncounte...
was refering to winding constrictor specifically
deft belfry
Other than ze kitteh, any other suggestions?
between theme and raw power/smooth game play, what do you prefer more, or bit of both
the lack of evasion is usually what slows down a combat deck. i guess the burn part is nice for killing creatures but it has its limits
tall willow
I want smooth gameplay and consistency, every time I've played it it feels like I run out of steam far too quickly
deft belfry
well, then the first thing to choice from is that pro red white shield vs red/white equipments
i would reduce some of that
and perharp an engine that let you refill cards
🤔
deft belfry
[[chaos warp]] can go when you have access to white
curse mirror is okay since its usually a strong card, but notiblly there are very few targets for yourself to copy without including other players decks
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deft belfry
4 red equipments, 2 ish white equipment supports, one boros equipment , maybe the two copy equipments. cards, will contradict with [[!shield of war and peace|sld|1730]]
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deft belfry
commanders plate having more colour identity means less protection colours, its still a strong card but at 1 cmc, its synergy with the commander is also lower.
i think lavaspur boots is a bit weak too in an equipment theme deck, since swiftfoot and greaves are usually the first go to staples
[[!brass knucles]] really funny thematic cards, but without build-in evasion on the commander, i think this is a lot worse
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deft belfry
i ran it in [[koma world eater]] last time i had them in a deck and it was funny to punch someone with a serpent. needless to say that i lost because i am doing some very efficient combat things rather than a easy kill move
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Legendary Creature — Serpent
This spell can't be countered.
Trample, ward
Whenever Koma deals combat damage to a player, create four 3/3 blue Serpent creature tokens named Koma's Coil.
The gods imprisoned Koma, fearing he would eventually devour the Cosmos itself.
8/12
deft belfry
ofc, if the deck focus on more creatures to attack with, putting two equipments on two seperate creature with double strike and perhaps combat trigger, is pretty nice in general
in red, the rate to get double strike should be less than 3 mana
brass cost like 5+ mana
genji glove has similar problem but at least that one has extra combat build in
i think i wouldnt need solemn sad golem as well as its not very good with equipments
if you run [[curiousity]] captain can always ping players for triple draw
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deft belfry
but having a good attack is perhaps the main goal
nihari's resolve would be a janky thing i want to test with puresteel paladin XD although i know i would never draw both cards and keep them out
anyways
the land base has so many tap cards
the equipment count isnt that high to trigger your [[!scam senior edificer]] draw triggers
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deft belfry
i remember an episode of CZ where they rate equipments and i agree that i would never want all of those
[[!loxodon warhammer]][[!basilisk collar]] and [[!shadowspear]] in a single deck
deft belfry
i have my bais since deathtouch is my favourite keyword ability along side/combine with trample
problem with loxodon is that i dont really want to unequip it for damage, nor do i want care that much about the life gain at that rate, the trample evasion and power boost is nice but not irreplaceable
shadowspear is all around powerful, low cost and versatile, i am indifference about it. i doubt you want to fling it with captain as well at 1 cmc
[[!sword of truth and justice|sld|1867]] the trigger abilities are kinda meh without a counter theme, as two counters is very low bar payoff
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deft belfry
there arent card draws to keep up with the mid late game
for all i care, it can be small draws as weak as bulk [[mask of memory]] just to speed up getting through the deck
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may draw two cards. If you do, discard a card.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
deft belfry
repeatable [[bonder conclave]]
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Land
: Add .
, : Draw a card. Activate only if you control a creature with power 4 or greater.
There is a sanctuary that reveals itself only to those graced by the eludha—the mystical connection between bonder and monster.
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i would also want more creatures so its not just voltron
any good two drops that interest you?
[[freya crescent]] is sort of an equipment staple support
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Legendary Creature — Rat Knight
Jump — During your turn, Freya Crescent has flying.
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast an Equipment spell or activate an equip ability.
"We live not to forget our past, but to learn from it!"
1/1
deft belfry
just need to know the type of deck you are running here
tempo? tapped lands slows it down
control? will need more protection and consistent damage to remove all the threats
voltron? ways to ensure combat damage adds up quickly
i think i would prefer midrange
okay to have a slow start, as long as there are enough control to make sure you can get rid of all your opponent's thread with burn damage and non creature removals
with enough mana to detach and equip, you can turn captain into a machine gun out of the blue
so i would definitely want something like [[training ground]][[zirda dawn]]
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Enchantment
Activated abilities of creatures you control cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
For those who survived, being prepared for the next crisis became one of the greatest virtues.
Legendary Creature — Elemental Fox
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has an activated ability. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Abilities you activate that aren't mana abilities cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
, : Target creature can't block this turn.
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deft belfry
talisman 2 mana for 1 mana scaling sucks here
only good for mana fixing for colour pips
not too concern when most of the deck is colourless
[[!slash the rank]] at 5 mana at misses lot of things... doesnt seems worth here in my book [[slaughter the strong]] maybe
deft belfry
since you can detach and end up with no power boost, captain would end up with 4 power
otherwise, i think [[split up]] or [[robe of stars]] seems like good ways to not hurt yourself
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +0/+3.
Astral Projection — 
: Equipped creature phases out. (Treat it and anything attached to it as though they don't exist until its controller's next turn.)
Equip
deft belfry
[[codsworth handy helper]]
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
Commanders you control have ward .
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast Aura and/or Equipment spells.
: Attach target Aura or Equipment you control to target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Proud to serve!"
2/3
deft belfry
[[!forensic gadgeteer]] is fine but heres more of the same effect
https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Aequip+o%3A"cost+{1}+less"&unique=cards&as=grid&order=edhrec
i like [[tenza godo maul]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1. As long as it's legendary, it gets an additional +2/+2. As long as it's red, it has trample.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
deft belfry
maul should be a good add and easy to equip too
storm fox
was refering to winding constrictor specifically
Somehow i didnt get that, but i guess that makes sense
Do you have any tips on preventing mana flood?
I dont really want to go down on lands like i do with my other decks
wicked gust
Actually down to 3 now
https://moxfield.com/decks/7B5ss_AkfESFVUdx9cHvqw
deft belfry
Do you have any tips on preventing mana flood?
did you draw that many cards by T6?
because logically, i dont think thats a thing thats common with 35 lands
deft belfry
Actually down to 3 now
https://moxfield.com/decks/7B5ss_AkfESFVUdx9cHvqw
i hinted at [[!sequence engine]] since it makes 0/0 with no evasion
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deft belfry
do you like keeping that
wicked gust
I wouldn't mind keeping it yo give it a try as I do own a copy from that og strixhaven deck
wicked gust
You said it may not be needed but can add ut back
deft belfry
i said it the other way around, we can leave it out for now
i mentioned hardened scale which only gives 1 additional counter
[[!branching evolution]] doubles
so kinda similar to [[!unbound flourishing]]
deft belfry
but the obvious difference is that, you get branching without CASTING
[[herlad of secret streams]][[rikku resourceful guardian]] is bit worse but is a cool card [[[[blitzball stadium]] have been a win con for me in the past
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature, until end of turn, that creature can't be blocked by creatures your opponents control.
Steal — , : Move a counter from target creature an opponent controls onto target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Rikku-approved item coming up!"
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Artifact
When this artifact enters, support X. (Put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to X target creatures.)
Go for the Goal! — , : Until end of turn, target creature gains "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, draw a card for each kind of counter on it" and it can't be blocked this turn.
deft belfry
[[!geometric nexus]] is a fun card, but i think its not what you want to keep since it wont always scale too well
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deft belfry
X spell will give a very high mana value on the stack and put lot of counters on it
but your own number of spells is about 20 + the prepared ones. the deck isnt exactly spell slinger focus. the fun part is getting lot of free counters from your opponent, which is harder to get depends on the table
so let say you got lucky with lot of counters early on, it is still making like one big fractal at a time and it resets it counters
i think the scaling will never beat [[luxior giada's gift]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each counter on it.
Equipped permanent isn't a planeswalker and is a creature in addition to its other types. (Loyalty abilities can still be activated.)
Equip planeswalker
Equip
deft belfry
so you can get basically +2/+2 for each counter on a creature
oh wow, small detail. note that primal vigor and oversimplify will give everyone double double XD
kinda funny imo
[[nesting ground]]
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Land
: Add .
, : Move a counter from target permanent you control onto a second target permanent. Activate only as a sorcery.
Dappled coats become armored hides. Soft jaws become razor tusks. Nestling play becomes the fight for survival.
deft belfry
can take out a blue source for it
or tapped land
havent really seen [[$mana bloom]] in a game since it was printed
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deft belfry
i think its not really worth it becauseo f the once per turn payoff
if its like synergy with [[wildsear scouring maw]] i would understand (control cascade size)
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Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a time counter on this enchantment.
Once each turn, you may pay 
rather than pay the mana cost for a spell you cast with mana value X or less, where X is the number of time counters on this enchantment.
wicked gust
I own it lol
wicked gust
i think its not really worth it becauseo f the once per turn payoff
It doesn't say once per turn...?
Oh shit it does wtf I missed that
deft belfry
it does
lol
thats why it is out for so many years and it never really see play
i think i saw it once in a random jank deck before this precon
wicked gust
i think the scaling will never beat [[luxior giada's gift]]
I do own a copy and haven't used it since I took it out of my mardu legends precon
deft belfry
luxior is fun, but hard to find a deck for
i like it when i can equip onto commander
deft belfry
your removal count seems okay, i think at some point its just preference
i dont believe [[$mana drain]] is a B2 card in my games, but ofc its also not an official GC
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deft belfry
if oyu want to play it, play it simple as that
wicked gust
It's mostly just for the next big X spell
wicked gust
I have a copy and only have it in 1 deck and rarely use it outside that 1 deck
deft belfry
if you search in the thread/server the number of time "from: monomons narset reversal"
lol 23 results
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deft belfry
if 4 budget reason, then muddle the mixture, just never counterspell before those for power and mana cost
ahh i would definitely want to try that
given you can control your curve well enough
because X spells mess with your real curve
3 mana removal is a weird clunky spot
wicked gust
Fair
deft belfry
checking tags
only have creature removals? and counterspells
oh i see the second tag for removal, 3 more that can target non creatures
took me way too long to figure out that too highlight mana value in oracle text, i need to use {} brackets 
🤦
find out on scryfall the other day
"cost {1} less" for example
not a huge fan of some of the fractal cards but for now they are fine until you test out how many 0/0 token generator you need
[[!owlin spiralmancer]] wont work with legendary creatures
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deft belfry
so while face commander [[!zimone infinite analyst]] share certain properties with Primo, their focus is quite different
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deft belfry
zimone in the end is ramp and value, primo is lethal threat + more power matters stacking up with lesser value
deft belfry
hunter insight instill energy swift/lavaspur boot
if have to make some cuts, it...
[[hunter insight]] may have got missed? since putting it on a successful hit would give you a new hand
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deft belfry
much better scaling than what idol of oblivion gives
wicked gust
[[!owlin spiralmancer]] wont work with legendary creatures
its for the other x spells inbt he deck
wicked gust
much better scaling than what idol of oblivion gives
fair
deft belfry
fyi i am find with what idol has to offer, it was just one of the examples
how many more cuts do you need
heading to work in 5 mins
right now i think there arent enough X spells for the X spell only matters cards to get the most out of it
could have miscounted
just need a check to see how many spells can trigger ex. [[!geometers arthropod]] besides commander
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deft belfry
[[!lattice library]] is a new card that makes fractal but it seems meh for me here
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how many more cuts do you need
2 atm
the reason its below 100 is going to fill the rest out with basic lands and waitign to see the final set before fixing the lands to what i need em to be trying out a new land fixing techniquefor 2 color decks i saw online
tall willow
between theme and raw power/smooth game play, what do you prefer more, or bit of...
Thanks for the suggestions! here's my thoughts on them:
- I do agree on the the protection equipment, and will prolly remove them
- Brass Knuckles is there to be a 2 for 1, 1-cost reequip to be able to throw consistently
- I know I need to work on the mana base ;v;
- I remember watching that EP too! I'll prolly cut the hammer, but not the other two, as Collar makes it so that everything dies when cap yeets, and spear shuts down hexproof and indestructible.
- I think Midrange would be good for my playstyle as well
- the idea behind Slash the Ranks is that once it resolves, I could activate cap when he has deathtouch to kill all remaining commanders
- How many equip reducers do you think is good without being too much? I currently have Puresteel because duh, Gadgeteer for backup card draw, and War Wip because it's still an equipment
- I do need more protection, any suggestions (other than what's already been stated)?
wicked gust
how many more cuts do you need
were you suggesting i cut the original commander and the bird/the fractal crab?
storm fox
did you draw that many cards by T6?
have that problem every 5-6 playtests
it's either moxfield screwing me over
or a problem with the list
deft belfry
Thanks for the suggestions! here's my thoughts on them:
- I do agree on the the...
consider captain can equip for free each combat, i kinda want cost reduction more than equip reduction, if not both
equip at 0 is not needed for the most part as captain only really cares about high casting cost and can still put anything on for free once per turn. i think you just want to be able to throw equips at a good timing as 
is somewhat high cost
i think i would like [[silver shroud costume]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Flash
When this Equipment enters, attach it to target creature you control. That creature gains shroud until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equipped creature can't be blocked.
Equip
deft belfry
were you suggesting i cut the original commander and the bird/the fractal crab?
depends on how many X spells you want included
because it could end up as a niche two card synergy
as i doubt you want to recast commander over and over
the value from zimone seems more acceptable to me, than crab at least
deft belfry
or a problem with the list
will goldfish a bit
proper belfry
https://manabox.app/decks/AZ6GSYtdc2yCwtpYAn-L9A
Feel like i can go without smothering Tithe and replace it with ad nasuem or bolas Citadel or a dif tutor all together. Thoughts? This is a rough draft. Things are labeled
wicked gust
depends on how many X spells you want included
I counted like only 15 or so X spells, including the commander...so I added [[nyxbloom ancient]] instead. I plan on taking apart my [[zaxara]] deck and taking the pieces from that and put it into primo
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Legendary Creature — Nightmare Hydra
Deathtouch
: Add two mana of any one color.
Whenever you cast a spell with 
in its mana cost, create a 0/0 green Hydra creature token, then put X +1/+1 counters on it.
2/3
wicked gust
Maybe I'll add in more X creatures idk, ill try to make the deck sometime soon and see how well it goes
deft belfry
i have decided i wanted to build a myojin deck
decided to have atraxa at the hel...
i think i would cut [[!topiary lecturer]], it is not Gyre sage good
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deft belfry
although gyre do need at least 1 counter to tap, i think with proliferate theme, thats usually not a problem
cut [[!coastal piracy]]
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deft belfry
counter synergy seems fine on the left, maybe reconsider how myojin works in the middle, the far right are my cuts/swaps
[[!myojin cleansing fire]] hurts yourself too much
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deft belfry
austere command also remove all your small things
pollenbright imo is just too small of a value without etb spam
[[communal brewing]]
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deft belfry
can come in with 1 or up to 4 counters, put +1 counters on all your casted creatures to proliferate further
[[nesting ground]] a colourless source that moves counters
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Land
: Add .
, : Move a counter from target permanent you control onto a second target permanent. Activate only as a sorcery.
Dappled coats become armored hides. Soft jaws become razor tusks. Nestling play becomes the fight for survival.
deft belfry
it depends if you got that important counter to move around
especially without filter lands
the signet ones
[[!faeburrow elder]] has to add different colours
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deft belfry
so it owuld be harder to get [[myojin grim betrayal]] with it
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deft belfry
the thing about myojin is that, without the ability 's payoff
they are all overcosted 8 drops with poor statlines
deft belfry
AND only thing that went to grave THIS turn so its [[thrilling encore]]
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deft belfry
withouth cost reduction, an 8 drop with that poor of an ability is very hard to utilize
deft belfry
[[gwenna eyes of gaea]] add since its good mana fixing with coutner synergy
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid Scout
: Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast creature spells or activate abilities of creature sources.
Whenever you cast a creature spell with power 5 or greater, put a +1/+1 counter on Gwenna and untap it.
2/3
deft belfry
even when it doesnt untap, you already got some good mana out of it
if it untapps, you can basically get all 4 colours to cast atraxa and one other creature
so along with the previously mentioned [[arbert warrior of darkness]] i guess there maybe a legendary subtheme
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deft belfry
because of all the myojin, i would want some sort of looter engine to get rid of cards that are stuck in hand the entire game
rightnow ther eis only malcolm
i only see a few maybe i missed them [[katara waterbending master]] recall [[waterbender ascension]] (maybe possible for swap?) anyways [[mondo gecko]] again looting legendary
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Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put a quest counter on this enchantment. Then if it has four or more quest counters on it, draw a card.
Waterbend : Target creature can't be blocked this turn. (While paying a waterbend cost, you can tap your artifacts and creatures to help. Each one pays for .)
Legendary Creature — Lizard Mutant
, Discard a card: Until end of turn, Mondo Gecko becomes the color of your choice and gains hexproof from that color.
Whenever Mondo Gecko deals combat damage to a player, draw a card for each color among permanents you control.
"Stealth-o-rama, huh? Righteous."
2/3
deft belfry
may have to do scryfall search to get the perfect looter
depends how many small drops you end up with (mainly bloom tender are important) can consider planeswalker such as [[ajani adversary of tyrants]]
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deft belfry
if it gets killed, your table is spending resources on it (stalled the turn) if it survives, you are getting more synergistic value out of it each turn
but i wouldnt go too hard on super friends with complicated abilities that make your game so difficult
[[riskhar peema renegade]] no fixing but much faster ramp
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
When Rishkar enters, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two target creatures.
Each creature you control with a counter on it has ": Add ."
"Aether is the soul of Kaladesh, and all souls should be free."
2/2
deft belfry
with atraxa vigilance, you get to tap it for mana too
[[undercity upheaval]][[storm the seedcore]][[season of gathering]]
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Sorcery
Choose up to five 
worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
— Put a +1/+1 counter on a creature you control. It gains vigilance and trample until end of turn.
— Choose artifact or enchantment. Destroy all permanents of the chosen type.
— Draw cards equal to the greatest power among creatures you control.
deft belfry
[[silkguard]][[khalni heart expedition]]
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[[bow of nylea]][[phyrexian scriptures]][[protection magic]][[leinore autumn soveregin]]
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Legendary Enchantment Artifact
Attacking creatures you control have deathtouch.
, : Choose one —
• Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
• Bow of Nylea deals 2 damage to target creature with flying.
• You gain 3 life.
• Put up to four target cards from your graveyard on the bottom of your library in any order.
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[[cleopatra exiled pharaoh]][[master's guidance]][[striding shotcaller]]
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Creature — Troll Druid
Reach
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, this creature becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
0/4
Run the Play
Sorcery
Put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to X target creatures. Those creatures gain flying until end of turn. Draw a card.
deft belfry
those are mainly for reference to see what helps casting myojin
brings down the curve, tap for more mana, more consistency, synergy with creature draw/ legendary creatures
i know a few [[gluntch the bestower]] basically going 'fake group hug' to politic for the slow pace late game
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