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deft belfry
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True

hallow pasture
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πŸ˜‚

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its an insane combo fosho, but i dont have any real ways to tutor either piece reliably, and it doenst end the game just makes u archenemy lmfao

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thats why im tryna keep it in bracket 3 cus i like having some game end related combos, and not needing in deck tutors, but a nice pseudo tutor in my command zone

deft belfry
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if windfall is more common, i would want to counter that by flashing in notion thief

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the gross counter of B3 lol

hallow pasture
deft belfry
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i am going to scryfall what dimir planswalker has to offer, since you have that as commander

deft belfry
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it just means you have to dedicate two slot GC into it

hallow pasture
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ye i already have 3 gc atm

deft belfry
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narset is that it cant flash. But can look at top 4

hallow pasture
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dont really think i wanna cut cyclonic or fierce guardianship, those cards too good 😭

deft belfry
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yeah those are much better

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i wont touch the GCs

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if you ever want rhystic that s entirely up to you

hallow pasture
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somethin i can change in the future ig if i really want to cus i already own a rhystic

deft belfry
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i think best GC is still rhystic if you completely ignore pricetag and play pattern stuff

hallow pasture
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yeah forsure

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its one of the best blue cards for a reason haha

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i just use it in every other deck in my past, i need a change of pace

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πŸ˜‚

deft belfry
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well timed cyc rift is really nice but its not a win con without a already set uo board

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since there are one sided dragon board wipes, the deck can pretty much do that without

hallow pasture
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hm that is honestly a very fair point

deft belfry
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its the defensive cyc rift that puts it up another level

hallow pasture
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ye

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the instant speed panic button too

deft belfry
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thats why i like to reverse the salt by countering rift with non blue counterspell

hallow pasture
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but i never thought about the ability to just ignore the absolute need for it, due to being dragon tribal in black

deft belfry
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i remember the reaction i got when they didnt see my meta game main deck pyroblast

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in the right deck, my offcolour/colour shifted counterspell doesnt miss πŸ˜›

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in B2, [[insight]] got me more cards than that average rhystic

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i prefer to challenge myself with GCless B2, since i never liked those cards due to me finding them either unfun or unfair. otherwise i may proxy them for high power deck someday

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[[Insight]]

hallow pasture
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card dissappeared from existence

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lol

deft belfry
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@shrewd zealot start work

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ing

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we didnt pay you for nothing

hallow pasture
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probs cus theres alot of these insight name related cards

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its laggin

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lol

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i see wym tho funny ah anti green card

deft belfry
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https://scryfall.com/card/6ed/75/insight

Scryfall Magic: The Gathering Search
Insight

{2}{U} β€’ Enchantment β€’ Whenever an opponent casts a green spell, you draw a card. β€’ Classic Sixth Edition (6ED) #75 β€’ Illustrated by Ron Chironna β€’ Magic: The Gathering, MTG

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my lGS has so much green

hallow pasture
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my mono g storm list would cry into that

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lmfao

deft belfry
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and to be fair, i run janky enough decks so what i get from it

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is not great

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like 1 out of 5 cards is usable

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mainly trying not to miss land drops rather than trying to draw for interaction

hallow pasture
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tru tru

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is my land count btw good enough for the curve?

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im not used to playing anything but green

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so missing land drops more important haha

deft belfry
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so i once drew close to 20 cards from it and still lost because i screwed myself with [[weird harvest]]

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thats why the site is down

hallow pasture
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πŸ˜‚

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u broke it

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😭

deft belfry
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i miss when the OG wizrd card site was good

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when you can vote

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and see rating

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that is relevant

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back in my days

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the good old days

hallow pasture
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πŸ˜‚

deft belfry
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i wish i see bald prof emote on the server

wicked gust
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Also , I forgot this goofy guy exists and would be in the 99 or the commander along with Piru [[oros the avenger]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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was going to use something like that

hallow pasture
# deft belfry

Also after i cut the cheaper copy and the horn, im down to 99, anythin notable to jump in u think?

deft belfry
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piru

wicked gust
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You did earlier

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And I said i love piru

deft belfry
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oh that was you, i mistake that as someone else

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XD lol names looking too similar

wicked gust
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Lol

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Also I did change my name

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I was soleil and then decided to change it

deft belfry
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oros say -nonwhite so it immediate killed my interest since i want to kill white wiinies

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oh okay so you did change your user name

wicked gust
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Not many do white weenies anymore tbh

deft belfry
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then i know who you are, hidding from the second wife

wicked gust
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People kept not realizing I'm PhoenixFlare56 on convoke so I said fuck it

deft belfry
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i thought you were the same but i was used to seeing sole here

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and too many pfp that are too small on discord screen

wicked gust
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Lol

deft belfry
hallow pasture
deft belfry
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i see, because it is a good dragon

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just the timing of it being bad

hallow pasture
deft belfry
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Siyitri has no good build around... Like is this propagandra or burn

hallow pasture
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i dont think propoganda is the way, lack of white makes pillowfort kinda eh

deft belfry
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i meean the +1 is kinda a bad propoganda

hallow pasture
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dont think burn either, i like the idea of just having a tutor in ur command zone

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thats kinda the whole reason i built her

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also shes a really abnormal dragon color combo

deft belfry
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oh i was more trying to get to the ultimate lol

hallow pasture
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oh haha yeah i dont even think about her ult LOL

deft belfry
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if you can use it for commander zone tutor than you just need the best dragon it can et

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get

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the surprise fish drop for double counter etb means you can instantly destroy all non dragons

hallow pasture
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deathbringer?

deft belfry
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and when i have counters on commander i tend to like a [[ripples of potential]] utility

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/77/ripples-of-potential

Ripples of Potential <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Proliferate, then choose any number of permanents you control that had a counter put on them this way. Those permanents phase out. (To proliferate, choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there. Treat phased-out permanents and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until their controller's next turn.)

hallow pasture
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ooo

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thats actually interesting

deft belfry
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[[this [[deepglow skate]]

shrewd zealotBOT
hallow pasture
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oh yeah ig

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but thats a 9 mana board wipe tbh haha

deft belfry
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nah i expected it to live from previous turn

hallow pasture
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and i cant search the fish

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if she could search fish would be so much better

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😭

hallow pasture
deft belfry
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[[dreamtide whale]] if you end up going harder into counters

shrewd zealotBOT
hallow pasture
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because i can tutor and if she lives, i can +1 next turn with this to keep her safe for next turn to get another free tutor

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ccus most people will see the 1hp sivitri and just ignore it cus the +1 is kinda useless lol

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i wish her ult wasnt so meh tho

deft belfry
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unless you can like flicker it and +1 twice

hallow pasture
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just having a crux of fate isnt scary nor poewrful

deft belfry
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its only scary when your board is all dragons

hallow pasture
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yeah

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which tbh wont happen a ton

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i dont have any ways to cheat out a ton of em

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😭

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im not green since i aint mana rich

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and im not red for all the big dragonstorm effects

deft belfry
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i think i see a dragon you may have missed

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[[voracious bibliophile]]

shrewd zealotBOT
hallow pasture
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which? πŸ€”

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this counts for etb's too or naw?

deft belfry
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its cheap too [[$vorasious bibliophile]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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only spell cast

hallow pasture
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ah

deft belfry
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but if you target ANYTHING it s already cantrip

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the best commander that uses it is definitely hinata target all

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but in genral, just by being blue with random counterspells

hallow pasture
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yeah ig this card good with alot of removal options

deft belfry
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you are already getting the supercharged emeritus

hallow pasture
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also wait

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it works for counter spells too right?

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since they target another spell

deft belfry
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it draw equals to number of targetds

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player, cards in players grave, all permanents on board, all spells in the stack

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are targetable objects

hallow pasture
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makes me wanna change haunting voyage with reanimate now cus its another target effect

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πŸ˜‚

deft belfry
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like, if this thing stays around or find some combo potential in formats that run all those things, i think it will go up in price

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[[haunting voyage]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/ecc/75/haunting-voyage

Haunting Voyage <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Choose a creature type. Return up to two creature cards of that type from your graveyard to the battlefield. If this spell was foretold, return all creature cards of that type from your graveyard to the battlefield instead.
Foretell mana5manabmanab (During your turn, you may pay mana2 and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)

deft belfry
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its only good enough when you foretell :/

hallow pasture
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like remove haunting voyage and put back in reanimate

deft belfry
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ah

hallow pasture
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i think i'll do that actually, seems like a really good swap over

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ohh wait a sec

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[[hammerhead tyrant]]

shrewd zealotBOT
hallow pasture
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with that drake

deft belfry
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is spark double better than [[phyrexian metamorph]]

shrewd zealotBOT
hallow pasture
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everytime u cast anything

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draw 1

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😫

deft belfry
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the spell itself has to target

hallow pasture
deft belfry
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not an ability

hallow pasture
deft belfry
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[[curtain call]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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those give multitarget

hallow pasture
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oo

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3 mana pop 2 draw 2

deft belfry
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and in H&K deck its a higher cost spell than needed to pay for

hallow pasture
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oooooo ur so right

deft belfry
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those are things i have from H&K brew

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and i want to avoid full animate combo loop

hallow pasture
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and either h&k or veracious searchable with commander so thats an easy combo to setup if i notice i have curtains call in hand

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πŸ€”

deft belfry
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the thing is, having high cost is bad if it is unplayable

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so it really depends on your best dragons

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as most are very hard on mana

hallow pasture
deft belfry
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most of the time more ramp doesnt hurt, i think for control/combo deck, its more about hitting each land drop

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like, below 4 lands you cant really do much

hallow pasture
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is 37+2mdfc good enough?

deft belfry
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yeah, it may even be high count

hallow pasture
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πŸ€”

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u think?

deft belfry
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because without looting, you will end up with more lands than you need

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or scry similar

hallow pasture
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hmm fair, i do have some effects like that but not a ton ye

hallow pasture
shrewd zealotBOT
hallow pasture
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im torn on this inclusion tbh cus everytime i see it, like in theory it can be really good, but also like bleh cus im not playing lots of counter synergy

deft belfry
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its meh because it need a very specific timing to be played

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how often you see [[wrath of god]] or any of those important boardwipes

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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bone devourer is like a bad counterspell, more creature = more counter

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and then only when it dies you get the real value

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if you have a token deck yourself and maybe bunch of eldrazi spawns, then you have full control of its power

hallow pasture
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tru

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hm probably a safe cut thne

deft belfry
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in my black decks i generally run exile removals unless its very cheap costed kill everything

hallow pasture
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aighty this is what we at now

deft belfry
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same link right, its the one i am looking at

hallow pasture
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i think so? idk how often it updates

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hahaha

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like idk if it updates immedately after i make the changes

deft belfry
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i have to refresh for it to update

hallow pasture
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ah gotcha

deft belfry
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moxfield need refresh archidek live

hallow pasture
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real

deft belfry
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[[toshuro umezawa]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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because i see so many instants in your build

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its like a mix of flashback + madness type of trigger

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able to recast instant but the timing is restricted by creature dying instead of discard

hallow pasture
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yeah i feel like you'd just rather have like snapcaster tho no? ofc this guy has more over time value but idk how often that gets the value? correct me if im wrong tho i've never played toshiro lol

deft belfry
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sort of

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snapc let you do one surprise respond at a one time cost

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toshiro has to be proactively preplanned

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and if you want to counterspell from grave, you need to kill something first

hallow pasture
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adds some spicy combos tho i wont lie

deft belfry
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what i like about revealed things like this

hallow pasture
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being able to pop somethin in response to a counterspell, to then use a counterspell on the thing they cast

deft belfry
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is that it adds extra mental load for the opponent

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because its not just you having open mana to respond

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they dont know if you are going to kill something

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and then reuse another spell from grave

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or just spells from hand

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snapc you dont need to show it until you have nothing else in hand

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but higher power, [[snapcaster]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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can also take sorcery

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which open up that option

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i have one uncertain rule tho

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do snapcaster allow fierce guardianship

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full cast or thats too many aternative cost

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toshiro should allow it since it doesnt add a cost

hallow pasture
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logically speaking i dont see why it wouldn't also be free

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oh wait

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fierce says without paying "mana cost" and snapcaster says "flashback cost" now instead

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hmmm

deft belfry
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oh yeah snapc doesnt let you free cast guardianship

hallow pasture
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thats a weird one

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yeah probably not

deft belfry
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checked that part

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i think toshiro allows

hallow pasture
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yeah i see zero reason why he wouldnt

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it just says let u cast

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casts the same instance of the card

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πŸ€”

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now the question then comes

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whos worth cutitng for toshiro

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πŸ˜‚

deft belfry
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πŸƒ grabbing a bite in the kitchen

hallow pasture
deft belfry
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havent ate since i woke up

hallow pasture
wicked gust
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I just don't know what to brew next lol. Thoughts?

deft belfry
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wehats that last one you showed, i mean you do have tons of decks already

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we can look at that piru deck to see what can get changed, i never finished my

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you showed me this

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i guess you want something blue ish

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etb 1/4 flyer nothing crazy, etb is minor but has top deck matter/ recur. so the main focus is likely the transform conditional, control on upkeep, knows top deck, doesnt draw but has a scry-like effect and was creature with >5 cmc

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if it is completely blind, the chance will be low because not many decks runs a curve that can hit that reliably. after all of that, the real payoff happens, 3/5 flying, so basically the same but has more combat power

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only on attack, make a copy of another attacking creature, etb and combat trigger are basically the main payoff, even though Krothus is making token(s), you cant block with tapped creature(s). and the payoff doubles as if it comes with a doubling season if sea monster typal is right. So the best you can do is more or less restricted by the best sea monsters in the game

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if you find anything interesting in those areas, put them in. Otherwise it would just be some topdeck stuff into slow token generator

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blue already have some of the strongest spell cloning effects so there isnt exactly a reason to jump through so many hoops unless you are commited to it

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if you can remove non legendary, then it would do something similar to [[the master multiplied]] myriad

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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although forcing combat matter in dimir is usually not the nicer payoff

deft belfry
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This is

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^what building for runo stromkirk feels like

wicked gust
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Uh

deft belfry
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you can always try building a deck in another way

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reverse engineer from scratch

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something you know you arent used to playing or building toward

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even cards you dont exactly agree with or fit your philosophy

shy thunder
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I build decks that are otherwise powerful masterpieces

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and i hate playing fast magic

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but ive only played fast magic and now the slowness of a bracket 1-3 game feels wrong

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Ill put so much effort into scanning scryfall for cards and synergy and things.. and then hate it

deft belfry
shy thunder
deft belfry
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so no interactive game play?

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Whats your win rate like

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i have 20+ years worth of experience growing up with card games so i can analysis what cards do before i pick up and play them. i know the play style i enjoy and the way i like to play which is not necessary what i am good at

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i aim for 25% game time on my turn

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and around there too for win rate

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i have decks that dont really win but are fun to*with play with/ play against to

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i try to find the most awful jank and try to make it work in an unexpected way

shy thunder
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but

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playing slow games

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makes me want to eat my playmat

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I envy the people with theme decks

deft belfry
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it does sounds like a lot of problem on your end, because your turns has been very long and slow

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so you are not even able to define what is a slow game

shy thunder
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its annoying because the play time for the deck is usually absurd.. like 80%

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and I want to get it lower

deft belfry
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do you respect the time of other people at the table

shy thunder
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i want to more

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i feel like it something i want to learn to do more

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it does feel a bit bad when I wheel everybody’s hands four times in a turn and then discard them all with something like [[jin gitaxias, core augur]]

shrewd zealotBOT
shy thunder
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or my usual love for land destruction which Ive somehow refrained from putting into kirin

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I have a lorehold deck that absolutely runs armageddon, boiling seas, strip mine, blood moon, etc

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I think I understand the issue

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playing the decks Im used to is short fun, and I feel shitty after

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Im used to winning off of when my opponents have no available reaction

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such as armageddon after an explosive turn

deft belfry
wicked gust
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Lol

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I'm trying to work on the storm kirk deck now

wicked gust
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I wish [[auton soldier]] worked with his flip side but sadly the myriads are tapped already so no declaring of attacks

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/who/36/auton-soldier

Auton Soldier <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature β€” Alien Soldier
You may have this creature enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it isn't legendary, is an artifact in addition to its other types, and has myriad. (Whenever it attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token copy that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control. Exile the tokens at end of combat.)
0/0

deft belfry
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not bad from first glance i think the curve and smooth game play will be the problem

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kiora best sea god may not matter since its not a creature

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this will probably be what you need to trim the most

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wicked gust
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But the deck has to have thr sea creatures to clone em

deft belfry
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how many steps before you can clone ?

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and any reason why you want to play with those cards?

wicked gust
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The idea is to clone the flip side of the commander for more value/multi token madness

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And the flip side only makes token copys of other sea creatures

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So the idea of the deck is
Fill the bin with a few high cmc cards
Flip the commander
Clone the flip commander
Swing with big massive army of cloned sea creatures
Big feesh

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Makes sense?

deft belfry
deft belfry
wicked gust
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I suppose I can keep the better ones

deft belfry
wicked gust
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That's why I grabbed the cloners that do that

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Not many

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Why I mentioned [[auton]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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Multiple cards match β€œauton”, can you be more specific?

deft belfry
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swing in dimir is going to be hard to become combat lethal

wicked gust
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[[Auton soldier]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/who/36/auton-soldier

Auton Soldier <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature β€” Alien Soldier
You may have this creature enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it isn't legendary, is an artifact in addition to its other types, and has myriad. (Whenever it attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token copy that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control. Exile the tokens at end of combat.)
0/0

deft belfry
wicked gust
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I wish the Myriad was better in this instance but another clone is better than none

deft belfry
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so you have to find ways to cast those big creatures first

wicked gust
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Or just cut the ones that aren't that important or good and cut the cost down BUT find good cards in dimir to clone

deft belfry
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may want to cut first before finding more

wicked gust
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I am doing that first

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Trying to keep the bigger scarier or crazy sea beasts to clone. Maybe only have a limit of 8 or so?

deft belfry
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you can do as many as you want as long as you can still flip

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and play without all dead cards

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between that 3 drop commander and 6+ drop clone target

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there is a so many possible play to make

wicked gust
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Why I try to utilize the surprising amount of discard and draw in dimir

deft belfry
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and you will see there is a limit of how those can fix the draws

wicked gust
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So dont include a lot of them?

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Ok, I got the deck to 100. Thoughts on other cuts to include good dimir clone targets?

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Ignore the wastes they placeholdera

deft belfry
wicked gust
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It's more so to dump the 6+ cmc creature to trigger the commander easier

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But I also have a few of those search library and put to grave cards

deft belfry
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mirror gallery probably not need with thousand face is it still in or cut

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awww i thought stormtide was a really good one

wicked gust
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I can add it in

deft belfry
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nah leave it out for now

wicked gust
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I did forget a few good card draw

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So im at 102

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Stormtide is hard to use due to no mass islandewalk

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And most od mt dudes don't fly less I have the mass flyer on board

deft belfry
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its nice with flying and lock from crackback after tapping out, but you can only have so many big creatures so its understandable

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and without other things, just 3 stormtide + commander is going to be lethal in no time

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[[!slinn voda rising deep]] is a 10 drop board wipe

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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True

deft belfry
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no evasion

wicked gust
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Very much so and its hilarious

deft belfry
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i only have to pay 2 mana in my Xp

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oh wow [[$serpent of yawning depths]] is much more expensive than expected

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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I think I have a copy somewhere

deft belfry
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lightning greaves will protect commander or give other things haste

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but it can also be nombo with target attacking creature

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meh on [[!tidal terror]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[kindred domina]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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you still have like 4+ types in the deck

wicked gust
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True

wicked gust
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Plus a little mini ramp

deft belfry
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gallery high cost low payoff

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consider surveil is overwritten by the draw so no top deck control

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(Draw cannot be higher than the number of card you see if you want to use it for top deck matter)

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scry 2 at the cost of 4 other mana is very high, its okay as a utility land but the deck really dont have much top deck matters

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ominous seas 8 counters will take a while to get under normal circumstances, so whenver that kraken comes out in time is up to debate

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and those tokens dont come with evasion, and are easy to chump

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god thassa can somewhat help with that and upkeep scry makes it okay to manipulate top deck

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the top and scrollrack are really not very significant in the deck since the only thing that cares about the topdeck is just commander flip

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can consider [[counterbalance]] sort of card so that it gives you a top deck theme

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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but this is probably a bad example since you dont share cmc with other decks

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and a few that. i can recall are green

wicked gust
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Interesting honestly

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I think I am good then. I did the cuts you suggested

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Now I have another idea for ya. Golgari zombie tribal and lifegain

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With a unexpected commander

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The walking dead chick we talked about before [[enikra]]

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[[Enkira]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for β€œenikra”

wicked gust
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Delayed bot

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Aka use the current witherbloom precons (the old one and the new one) as a base idea, add some general good equipment, not going crazy, and make it a zombie lifegain deck

wicked gust
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Thassa is for the defender and scry aspect for the easier flip

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How is thassa roo high? Is 3 cmc too high now? Does EVERYTHING need to be 1 or 0 mana to be "good"?

deft belfry
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i mentioned the lack of invasion from tokens before pointing out thassa, which incidentally gives unblockable, and has scry to help with top deck

wicked gust
deft belfry
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which card has gallery in its name

wicked gust
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Oh I miss interpreted

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I thought you meant like the puc WAS the gallery of high cost lol

deft belfry
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i didnt name notion rain but was hinted at it

wicked gust
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Yes I did take it out too

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I was thinking of ehat other good cards to clone and added em

deft belfry
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i metioned utility tapped land but i dont expect any of those to be cut

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i think [[!quest for the ula temple]] is a very interesting fit in the deck

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for β€œquest for the ula temple”

deft belfry
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a long forgot kraken card

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[[!quest for ulas temple]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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3 quests, upkeep top deck trigger

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if only blue has like this [[lurking predator]] card how fun would it be

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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^this card never really gives a good payoff btw, its whiff like 66% of the time

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but finishing that ula temple quest and putting up to 4 sea monsters onto the battlefield in one turn cycle would be so satisfying

wicked gust
deft belfry
wicked gust
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I still cut em

wicked gust
deft belfry
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i know thats why i am talking about it

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i tend to use ! for emphasizing cards in the deck

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and without ! for cards where errata/text box matters more

wicked gust
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I noticed

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It's nice

deft belfry
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it didnt sound like you noticed

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how does [[?sword coast serpent]] unblockable work

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/99/sword-coast-serpent-capsizing-wave#rulings

Rulings for Sword Coast Serpent // Capsizing Wave
2022-06-10

Casting a noncreature spell after Sword Coast Serpent has become blocked will not cause it to become unblocked.

2022-06-10

An adventurer card is a permanent card in every zone except the stack, as well as while on the stack if not cast as an Adventure. Ignore its alternative characteristics in those cases. For example, while it’s in your graveyard, Altar of Bhaal is an artifact card whose mana value is 2.

2022-06-10

When casting a spell as an Adventure, use the alternative characteristics and ignore all of the card’s normal characteristics. The spell’s color, mana cost, mana value, and so on are determined by only those alternative characteristics. If the spell leaves the stack, it immediately resumes using its normal characteristics.

2022-06-10

If you cast an adventurer card as an Adventure, use only its alternative characteristics to determine whether it’s legal to cast that spell.

2022-06-10

If a spell is cast as an Adventure, its controller exiles it instead of putting it into its owner’s graveyard as it resolves. For as long as it remains exiled, that player may cast it as a permanent spell. If an Adventure spell leaves the stack in any way other than resolving (most likely by being countered or by failing to resolve because its targets have all become illegal), that card won’t be exiled and the spell’s controller won’t be able to cast it as a permanent later.

2022-06-10

If an adventurer card ends up in exile for any other reason than by exiling itself while resolving, it won’t give you permission to cast it as a permanent spell.

2022-06-10

You must still follow any relevant timing rules for the permanent spell you cast from exile. Normally, you’ll be able to cast it only during your main phase while the stack is empty.

2022-06-10

If an effect copies an Adventure spell, that copy is exiled as it resolves. It ceases to exist as a state-based action; it’s not possible to cast the copy from exile.

More Rulings

There are too many rulings for this card to post, please see https://scryfall.com/card/clb/99/sword-coast-serpent-capsizing-wave#%23rulings

deft belfry
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i guess rules is unecessary 'as long as a non creature spell was casted in the same turn, it cannot be blocked'

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i think i like [[sword coast serpent]] because it comes with a flexible adventure side

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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and the 6/6 creature can be like 18 unblockable damage

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[[thirst for identity]] would add

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[winternight stories]] sort of the same card

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[the everflowing well]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/56/the-everflowing-well-the-myriad-pools

The Everflowing Well <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Artifact
When The Everflowing Well enters, mill two cards, then draw two cards.
Descend 8 β€” At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are eight or more permanent cards in your graveyard, transform The Everflowing Well.

The Myriad Pools
Legendary Artifact Land
(Transforms from The Everflowing Well.)
manat: Add manau.
Whenever you cast a permanent spell using mana produced by The Myriad Pools, up to one other target permanent you control becomes a copy of that spell until end of turn.

deft belfry
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why isnt there any black cards for this commander lol

wicked gust
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No clue

deft belfry
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[[whip of erebos]][[the soul stone]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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[[$the soul stone]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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haste is hard to get

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runo flip + big kraken + attacking is just many hoops

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[[kozilek s unsealing]] i really like this card when i played it

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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too bad runo isnt a 4 drop

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because having eldrazi spawns is like a worn power stone each turn

wicked gust
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Ye

deft belfry
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[[heartless summoning]] very good ramp

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Lol I seen it A LOT recommended

deft belfry
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it makes 6+ drop much more playable so

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Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

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[[ripples of undeath]] from my most hated set

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Lol I own one

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I also own a fancy [[!sibsig ceremony]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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that one is meh

wicked gust
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Ye

deft belfry
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very niche since it destroys whatever you cast and the reduction is only on casted spells

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when they made heartless [[blood funnel]] into one jank card

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Lol

deft belfry
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funnel is nice with [[!Mishra, artificier prodigy]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Very

deft belfry
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get the double dip the reduction and countered spell

wicked gust
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Imagine if/when they drop an artifact that has the "a deck can have any number"..

deft belfry
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and make it white

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😭

wicked gust
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Lol

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Or even better

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GREEN

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-insert that lego ninjago meme of just GREEN-

deft belfry
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green has slime already... so if they are doing green i think they want to avoid creature

wicked gust
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Or just make it colorless

deft belfry
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which kinda makes sense but also

wicked gust
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All the colors have one...except colorless

deft belfry
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will nerf it so hard

wicked gust
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oR

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They do 2 color

deft belfry
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not for a while

wicked gust
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Ye

deft belfry
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oh wow just saw this card [[sepent of the pass]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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the self cost reduction

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but the body is very underwhelming

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too bad [[monstrosity of the lake]] isnt a 6 drop, becuase thats such a good lock onto everyone

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/22/monstrosity-of-the-lake

Monstrosity of the Lake <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature β€” Kraken
When Monstrosity of the Lake enters, you may pay mana5. If you do, tap all creatures your opponents control, then put a stun counter on each of those creatures. (If a permanent with a stun counter would become untapped, remove one from it instead.)
Islandcycling mana2 (mana2, Discard this card: Search your library for an Island card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
4/6

deft belfry
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even a single token copy each turn will tap everything down forever

wicked gust
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I did think that but cut it, ill add it back

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It be worth it

deft belfry
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[[Charnel Serenade]] i like this one too

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/26/charnel-serenade

Charnel Serenade <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Surveil 3, then return a creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield with a finality counter on it. Exile Charnel Serenade with three time counters on it.
Suspend 3β€”mana2manab (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay mana2manab and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)

deft belfry
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[[Planetarium of Wan Shi Tong]] [[PalantΓ­r of Orthanc]] the few synergy i can see with the top deck thing but those are some expensive cards i would never invest in

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[Case of the Shifting Visage]] [[Aqueous Form]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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wan shi tong probably not worth the slot unless there are A LOT of top deck matters

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case is also one of those slow cards since 15 cards takes forever

wicked gust
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSfzhBcLM9Q

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wicked gust
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Also. I decided to abandon that silly golgari zombie tribal and just stick to what I have...post malone as kriik and his zombie army of fans

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Thoughts? It's built mostly on what cards I have and recent additions of new stuff but needing cuts and refining

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It has a few proxies in it for testing purposes but it doesn't seems to win a lot, the idea is to win via a zombie army or use em as fodder to draw cards go get to a good way to kill via commander damage, or both

deft belfry
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[[$muddle ever changing]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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[[!muddle the ever]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Random

deft belfry
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no, i just thought it s more flexible than the sea monster cloning one

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less control than runo on where those tokens are going but much lower initial cost/hoops

deft belfry
wicked gust
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But

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[[!post son of]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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Lol I'm a post malone fan

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I was trying to do something unique than the typical lame dimir zombie tribal

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Have a better idea? The golgari one?

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Cause I won't lie I kind of wanna do [[Sheoldred//]] as a mono black commander

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/125/sheoldred-the-true-scriptures

Sheoldred <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature β€” Phyrexian Praetor
Menace
When Sheoldred enters, each opponent sacrifices a nontoken creature or planeswalker of their choice.
mana4manab: Exile Sheoldred, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery and only if an opponent has eight or more cards in their graveyard.
4/5

The True Scriptures
Enchantment β€” Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I β€” For each opponent, destroy up to one target creature or planeswalker that player controls.
II β€” Each opponent discards three cards, then mills three cards.
III β€” Put all creature cards from all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control. Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).

wicked gust
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[[!post enchanter]]

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
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I also have this one I could do

deft belfry
wicked gust
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Nah

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I doubt that be possible in mtg anyway

deft belfry
wicked gust
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Possible

deft belfry
wicked gust
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Lol

deft belfry
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tutor into play from the commander zone is kinda insane

wicked gust
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I think he's falled off HARD in recent years

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Especially with all.the removal

deft belfry
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depends how you look at it

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removals always existed

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its a matter of how much people uses

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B2 doesnt remove things they should remove

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even if you have a KOS commander, it may stay out WAY longer than it should

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and at the same time, more 4< cmc enchantments have been added to the game

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so that ability is just getting stronger as time goes

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its not like "only when you cast a room/battle, this does something"

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so i gues the qeustion actually what you want to do with Post

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to me, those cards are just as weird as UB in general πŸ˜…

wicked gust
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lol

timid spade
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https://moxfield.com/decks/eXduH2JQ406QpBfP9A0f-w
Basically forcing people to draw and deck themselves, not trying to win via milling. I feel like I may have too much "counterspells" and not enough single interaction, also feel like my land base could be adjusted. Probably running to few basics and too many tap lands.

Moxfield
Kwain | You don't mess with the bunny - Commander (Kwain, Itinerant...

A Commander deck featuring Kwain, Itinerant Meddler by SemajPA β€’ My version of Mill. You want your opponent's to draw their entire deck to win, gives your opponent's a better opportunity to win the...

deft belfry
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you are kinda in for a long game

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entire deck is basically just draw and removal

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perhaps need a way to not deck yourself... i guess thats what kozilek is for... but you have unlimited hand size so its not something you can discard normally

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feels weird to not have some sort of draw enable win con nor is the one ring as the one of the GC in the deck

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[[!floodfarm verge]] [[!nimbus maze]] i dont remember this cycle at all

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[$nimbus maze]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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for terrain generator, yes you do want more basics

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maze of ith will be one of the lands but non mana card so be sure to count that one out

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idek if you actually need the ramp consider how low the curve is

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with all the 3 drops, ramp on two doesnt really help especially when thats the point of casting the commander

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so i am not in favour of sky diamond at all, is there a reason for that

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may want to swap copy enchantment for like

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[[realms sketching]] for example

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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oh, it cant copy enchantment

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but i feel like its less niche? ofc at the higher power level there is also better staples to copy so thats just a perference

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if someone tries to do some combo with gaea's craddle i doubt you can do much about it

deep field
deft belfry
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you can say that

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unless you prefer paying

deep field
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Not entirely lmfao

wicked gust
deft belfry
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you want pure combat + a bit of burn, so no combo or tricks?

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or more of a control style

deep field
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Open to any sort if critique

deft belfry
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because zombies are sort of al over the place and lot of supports but lot of them dont works together

deft belfry
wicked gust
deft belfry
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like the key pieces to work with the commander such as flicker or certain combo with tap untap

wicked gust
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That makes me wonder if I should do golgari zombies, and use the new golgari precon as a base

deep field
deft belfry
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and for example if you suddenly find out, oh wow i have 25 cards that draws me cards, you my think that its too much

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[[!azami lady of scrolls]] [[!arcanis the omnipotent]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deep field
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ic ic

deft belfry
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for almost the same cost, draw 3 is much better, although i guess azami can bypass summoning sickness

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i am seeing a few infinite in here, probably missed a few others

deep field
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But Im trying to stay in bracket 3

deft belfry
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i think the mana can be a bit quicker but not sure where to cut as of now

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vivi do seems very strong

deep field
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Highkey this deck needs a draw engine in order to function

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which is why theres so much of it

deft belfry
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everything funnels into the commander

deep field
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Yeah and if I dont have a way to churn through the deck it comes to a screeching halt

deft belfry
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because with combo-lines, you cant really make too much adjustment to those without breaking them apart

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you will have to decide if there are enough of each category or need room for others

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always nice if it is a card that is playable without commander, but it wont matter too much if you just win with loops

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[[first day of class]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i dont think you have this

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nvm may not need it without presist

deep field
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Nah I dont have persist just undying

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I think there is a persist granter that I could play though

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I would have to find it

deft belfry
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actually its kinda a nice undying that is kinda cheaper than [[!endling]] cost

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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and haste is relevant

deep field
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Wait wdym

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Wouldnt first day make it so undying doesnt return mairsil

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The haste is nice, i do agree

deft belfry
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first day of class is only one time for two mana, endling is 1 mana each time

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it basically enables those 'remove a +1 counter" abilities without having to get endling onto mairsil

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[[!crackdown construct]] i am meh on

shrewd zealotBOT
deep field
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Its a somewhat nice thing to have some sort of board presence with a growing creature but, yeah

deft belfry
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rn the deck is hyper focus on the commander where everything only works with it

deep field
deft belfry
deft belfry
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and then do undying again

deep field
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Wouldnt this give me two counters to remove

timid spade
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
deft belfry
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as long as you can stop the winning spell

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it is a nice way to deck out

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because windfall can deck yourself too

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especially at sorcery spell it is harder to pull off

timid spade
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Yeah, thats why im fixing some of the deck. probably adding
[[Snapcaster Mage]] [[Mystic Sanctuary]] [[Hall of Heliod's Generosity]] for graveyard recursion, sanpcaster and mystic to target something like [[Windfall]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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well i will think about this in the morning, been awake for too long. try tag your main win con or any special interactions

timid spade
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maybe after windfalling someone, if i had somethin like [[Silence]] on person's turn who might have an answer

shrewd zealotBOT
deep field
deft belfry
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run cards that can be played without commander

deft belfry
deep field
deft belfry
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i think i seen silent effect less than 5 times in all my games

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half the time it is significant, the others time it can be played around

deep field
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It just feels like the deck would become hopelessly unfocused if I add cards that dont do anything with the gameplan

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I guess I could do some mild reanimation?

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Since theres a handful of discard outlets?

deft belfry
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think of it like tribal/typal

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generally speaking a tribal deck is like 30+ card in the 99

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so as you lower than amount a bit, it is possible to make room for other things

deep field
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Okay maybe since Im already running [[Azami, lady of scrolls]] I could do some wizard tribal stuff?

shrewd zealotBOT
deep field
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And then I can slot [[Galecast Collosus]] back in

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for β€œGalecast Collosus”

deep field
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[[Galecaster collossus]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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πŸ€” possible

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i was thinking of [[!trazyn the infinite]] but i guess that one is also a bit of a combo engine

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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πŸ˜…

deep field
deft belfry
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i love the interaction they have with [[!pendant of prosperity]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deep field
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And theres no artifact-only combos in the deck

deft belfry
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yeah

deep field
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I do think Mairsil is the kind of commander that requires to be built around

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But yeah, idk

deft belfry
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yeah mairsil is kinda a deck that doesnt get new cards for a long time

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so as long as you are stuck in that shell, theres not much you can do

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just remember that each card was by choice, not because you have to use it in the deck. the generic staples can pretty much be anything

deep field
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Yeah

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I think a small wizard tribal back end might be worth

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because as it stands now theres…

deft belfry
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this one say its B4

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as expected of vivi

deep field
deft belfry
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thought on [[necrotic ooze]]?

shrewd zealotBOT
deep field
deft belfry
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i think theres a bunch of things you can do with marvin as well

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[[loreth of healing house]] + marvin is infinite untap without mairsil

shrewd zealotBOT
deep field
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So far Im thinking of cutting Crackdown construct, Patron if the moon, Skyship stalker, Bloodpet, Emrakul’s messenger, Kurkesh,

deft belfry
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hmm bloodpet is my pet cards XD but yeah you can do without

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emrakul is a good cut since its limited to 2nd card each turn

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anyways gnite πŸ’€

deep field
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gnite

timid spade
wicked gust
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New mono green from thr marvel set...i kinda love it lol

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Mono green equipment go brrrrrrrr

deft belfry
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giving some [[!questing beast]] vibe and looks like powercreep troll

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for β€œwilson, refine gisl”

deft belfry
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ofc the only 'missing' keyword is trample, the easiest one to get in green

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double strike/unblockable or trample and easy power boost such as [[!hero's blade]] hit monkey basically comes with the permanent boots on it

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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not in my interest, but it will be easy to build a mono green voltron to KO someone at a table

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instead of pure equipment, i think it may also like auras and just simple giant growth effect

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like the infect +6 or so free pump

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[[!omen hawker]] this is for mairsil deck for other cards abilities

shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
deft belfry
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do you find any

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game play issue in voltron

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and i am guessing you never had to play against gravepact lock

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if you havent done mono green, feel free to test it out. i think the build should be fairly simple

wicked gust
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And I do go wide voltron not the typical stack up all on 1 creature

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So I may incorporate some +1/+1 stuff

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Partly why I was curious in trying out [[Vorinclex//]] as a commander

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/213/vorinclex-the-grand-evolution

Vorinclex <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature β€” Phyrexian Praetor
Trample, reach
When Vorinclex enters, search your library for up to two Forest cards, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
mana6managmanag: Exile Vorinclex, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery.
6/6

The Grand Evolution
Enchantment β€” Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I β€” Mill ten cards. Put up to two creature cards from among the milled cards onto the battlefield.
II β€” Distribute seven +1/+1 counters among any number of target creatures you control.
III β€” Until end of turn, creatures you control gain "mana1: This creature fights target creature you don't control." Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).

deft belfry
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Do it

deft belfry
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[[!sasaya orochi ascende]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for β€œsasaya orochi ascende”

deep field
shrewd zealotBOT
deep field
deft belfry
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just peaked at that quicksilver elemental price tag wtf

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from basic $28 & foil is $95

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its not even that playable... right

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probably the one format that runs it and combo with it

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oh, only 8 combo pieces, thats a lot less than i thought

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mostly value pieces

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which is the fun of mairsil

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Like

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Ulamog dreadsire tap ability + an untapper

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Which equals a 10/10 every turn if you pass with 3 mana

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asmodeus draw 7 seems very fun, if mairsil has more unique build around i would have built one too years ago [[$mairsil, pretender]]

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now i have too many project and janks to play with

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Lmao, I mean the deck is one or two more broken activated abilities away from being really good

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or if they unban griselbrand lol

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XD ha

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πŸ˜’

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^how Cedh player would respond

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I realize now that [[Xu-Ifit, Osteoharmonist]] is not good

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yeah that one only gives a body

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I missed that β€œno abilities” text

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i am looking at the exact same category

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because how the value engine, combo loop, discard looting stuff cant really get changed much

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There are not really any abilities that reanimate unfortunately

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reanimate is kinda your flexible zone

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xu is too conditional in here since you only really cares about ability

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[[Apprentence necromancer]] is okay I suppose

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without some self flicker synergy

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you cant reset the creature

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i think it wont be consistent

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Nah it wouldnt be really

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Well here I can do this

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I can play some of the regular reanimation spells

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i am wondering if conjurer's closet is slowly getting kicked out

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it still does its thing

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but at 5 mana it feels slow unless it happens a few times

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and theres a possibility I can recast it with [[Dralnu, Lich Lord]]

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Or its ability on Mairsil

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yeah

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[[wrong turn]]

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if i ever run dralnu, thats my dream moment

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Are there any other grixis reanimation targets?

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probably because i seen [[yshola rhul]]

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Holy

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Wait no…its gotta be bait no

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6 mana is insane

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yeah i am thinking of that so 5 mana seems weak

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but closet does closet things

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no argument about that

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It is a creature

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i.e. its a reanimation target

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.>

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sells bait

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LMAO

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I need reanimation targets

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and spells

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Oh hey [[Doomed Necromancer]]

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*. . . oh! A bite! *

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yeah i have mixed feeling on those two necromancers

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i havent got the right deck but i have both

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Sac the necromancer, Exile it with mairsil, have access to the ability again

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I could even potentially try to find another card that gives mairsil undying along with [[Endling]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/89/endling

Endling <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature β€” Zombie Shapeshifter
manab: This creature gains menace until end of turn.
manab: This creature gains deathtouch until end of turn.
manab: This creature gains undying until end of turn. (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.)
mana1: This creature gets +1/-1 or -1/+1 until end of turn.
3/3

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Like…

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but having creatures in grave do matter

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[[Mikaeus, the unhallowed]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/173/mikaeus-the-unhallowed

Mikaeus, the Unhallowed <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature β€” Zombie Cleric
Intimidate (This creature can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or creatures that share a color with it.)
Whenever a Human deals damage to you, destroy it.
Other non-Human creatures you control get +1/+1 and have undying. (When a creature with undying dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.)
5/5

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ah the combo machine

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Wait

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Mairsil is a human

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sigh

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i dont think it matters

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you still got all the other two card combo

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Oh with Triskelion?

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even walking ballista

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lol, if i have this sort of grixis deck i would run [[harmless offering]] and [[heartless summon]]

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Nothing else gives creatures undying

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i even storm or give bad gifts

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sigh

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there is presist tho

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whats that tap engine

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hm

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herre you go [[cauldraon of souls]]

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downside is that it is a tap ability

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but you can reanimate entire board

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persist will make running [[Cinderhaze Wretch]] make sense

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oh wait no it doesnt

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i usually run [[living dead]] in all my black decks as the staple boardwipe

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what. removes -1/-1 off itself

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you dont need to remove

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you just alternate between that and udying

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yes

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speaking of presist, is [[river kelpie]] too high cost to use

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saw those old cards [[wingratte scarecrow]][[rattleblaze scarecrow]]

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so much worse than murderous redcap with loops

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Any good reanimation target suggestions?

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Also idk if persist is a good idea because for cauldron to combo I’ll need a haste enabler

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So it’ll be more of like a 4 or 5 card combo in the end

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even if its not combo, it can give your entire board presist to recur something else

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while i can see crazy things in grixis [[lord xander collector]] i guess you just want things that has good abilities to begin with

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https://scryfall.com/card/snc/197/lord-xander-the-collector

Lord Xander, the Collector <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature β€” Vampire Demon Noble
When Lord Xander enters, target opponent discards half the cards in their hand, rounded down.
Whenever Lord Xander attacks, defending player mills half their library, rounded down.
When Lord Xander dies, target opponent sacrifices half the nonland permanents they control of their choice, rounded down.
6/6

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[[balrog of moria]] can self discard

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but no ability for commander

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i think [[witch king of angmar]] is a nice one

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since discard wont matter when you can exile from grave

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[[sepulchral primordial]] is a nice target that brings 3 other with it

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i want to abuse the blue one more in my decks

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i know [[troll of khazad dum]] is sometimes used for land tutor

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and that is a big unblockable body you can bring back

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if we completely ignore utility before it is out, i think the best ones are basically hullbreaker and [[rune scarred demon]]

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or whatever super $$pricey ancient dragon

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otherwise i can see synergy with [[bone miser]] or some reuseable hate with [[dauthi voidwalker]]

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this 2 mana card hoser grave decks so hard

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Sorry Im here listening Im just looking for cuts

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plus I added Nyx Lotus and Gilded lotus and horseshoe crab back

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Mainly because they double as value pieces and combo pieces

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overlap is good

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Either lotus + Quicksilver elemental + an untapper can make alot of value pieces a win

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Or Vivi + Quicksilver elemental does the same

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i almost like untapper more than flicker πŸ˜…

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because it doesnt reset summoning sickness

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yeah

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just another balancing act for the deck to do

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I can probably cut the worst flicker

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[[cormela glamour thief]] could be a reanimator target for value

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Maybe you’re right..Mayyyybe conurer’s closet can go

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i will goldfish in a bit, in the middle of my own pile of cards

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got like $50 worth of reprint from commander precon so everything is like half the price of what i would normally need to pay for

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Maybe Jace’s archivist can get cut

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actually yeah Im cutting it

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[[jace archivist]]

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for an extra reanim target

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oh lol i glossed over that one completely

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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/224/sauron-the-dark-lord

Sauron, the Dark Lord <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature β€” Avatar Horror
Wardβ€”Sacrifice a legendary artifact or legendary creature.
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, amass Orcs 1.
Whenever an Army you control deals combat damage to a player, the Ring tempts you.
Whenever the Ring tempts you, you may discard your hand. If you do, draw four cards.
7/6

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thiughts?

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eh

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not the instinctive thing i want to get out but it does do many things

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4 trigger abilities, half of which lowkey irrelavant

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Yeahh

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amass is the key ability, but those are weird to use unless you are at a table where no one can trade with it

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and its not like you care about sac too much

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i think that part is just a worse version of orchish bowmaster

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army combat, hardly matters, its to trigger ring tempts you

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if you can temp the token, and get some damage through, the self wheel is nice

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I just slotted in the primordial

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XD

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I wanna squeeze in one more reanimation target

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because Im currently sitting at only 3

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hullbreaker primodial and ?

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which one of those above creature you own and ready to test with

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But Im on Toxrill, Primordial and Razaketh

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Im kinda eyeing [[Kefka, Courtmage]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/231/kefka-court-mage-kefka-ruler-of-ruin

Kefka, Court Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature β€” Human Wizard
Whenever Kefka enters or attacks, each player discards a card. Then you draw a card for each card type among cards discarded this way.
mana8: Each opponent sacrifices a permanent of their choice. Transform Kefka. Activate only as a sorcery.
4/5

Kefka, Ruler of Ruin
Legendary Creature β€” Avatar Wizard
Flying
Whenever an opponent loses life during your turn, you draw that many cards.
The end draws near.
5/7

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Or

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can try balrog since it has trample haste?

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[[Sauron, Lord of the Rings]]

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cast trigger missed

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Oh its a cast trigger

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rough

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i am meh on kefka because you lose half of the card

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whats the bolas that discard on etb

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although its a 4 drop

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I guess theres always the preators

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[[Sheoldred, Whispering One]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/278/sheoldred-whispering-one

Sheoldred, Whispering One <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature β€” Phyrexian Praetor
Swampwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Swamp.)
At the beginning of your upkeep, return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, that player sacrifices a creature of their choice.
6/6

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yeah, since they are all "free" to reanimate. i think its a matter of perference and synergy

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apocalspe most broken sheoldred tho

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Wait

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i think the saga is most fun

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[[Etali, Primal Storm]]

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yeah saw that but its also the riskiest

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True

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so its closer to a pet card

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it can go in any red decks but most of the time its a removal magnet

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[[Consecrated Sphinx]]

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just a GC generic good stuff

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no synergy but it will do GC things

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[[Nezehal, Primal Tide]]

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I actually think this could be okay

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potential to steal the ability to self flicker

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Yeah and it itself is hard to remove and churns through the library and the discard is hardly a downside in this deck

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there you go, the synergy

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I have 101 cards…I gotta make another cut

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😭

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i do think that its weaker than dauthi though weird enough
and i will always have my bias toward [[!the balrog of moria]] since its a rakdos demon

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I just dont love that its banking on dying

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is my gripe