without food engine like hobbits
#Cutting cards in my Frodo+Sam deck
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I remember Dana the hipster has that deck and i will probably be somewhat copying some of that tech
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I saw a couple games with the FF precons
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No?
well, slower with creatures due to no haste
no idea what FF precons will do matched up one and other
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thats the problem, table isnt playing their interactions correctly or drawing into new cards, almost feels like you need a group hug midrange deck
yeah all those FF precon are so good
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I'm really not the huggy type tho lol
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iknow lol
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i have done [[mana flare]] to see the chaos ensues
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And only reason I bought Frodo was because my friend already had Riders of Rohan
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[[rider of rohan]] is that human tribal one
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Creature — Human Knight
When this creature enters, create two 2/2 red Human Knight creature tokens with trample and haste.
Dash 
(You may cast this spell for its dash cost. If you do, it gains haste, and it's returned from the battlefield to its owner's hand at the beginning of the next end step.)
4/4
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dont use too much logic, sometimes people just dont like being told what to do
is it politicking or policing?
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Policing is being the one casting the removal to prevent players from popping off
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aragorn unblockable feels too gross, and the aggro draw 1 doesnt interest me enough i like draw 5+
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Delaying your own gameplan but making sure everyone is kept on a leash
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yeah at that point, its almost like the need of stax effect
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You have access to blue so drawing is fine
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Nope
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so people go for someone with "most life" "most removal played" before the obvious "biggest board archenemy"
sometimes revealing others game plan will draw attention onto their deck
idk if this is a bad manner thing to do but i think it is fair against those trying to hide their win con
until no one has ways to deal with them
lot of hypothetical talks rather than cards quality
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nah, Strategy is not bad manners
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i usually try not to reveal the big surprise
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I hold on to card because I know sometimes I'm not ready to have a huge target on my back
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just because i know it
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like 100% of the time I drop [[Elspeth Storm slayer]]
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i hold removals way too long, sometimes the entire game
if i can hold my boardwipe and not be in a position where i am forced to use it, thats like an untapped nev disk on my board but face down
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I try to not use removal on commanders since they can easily get back
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very good position to win the game
sometimes
too many kill on sight commanders nowadays
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Yeah ofc
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i try not to lock someones commander so they can play the game
but thats usually bad for me against some types of players
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I understand that
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not their deck, just the person at this point
i think i came across a few of those
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I mean, the guy playing KoS commanders need to understand that they are playing KoS commanders
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not paying attention to the game is not a good etiqu
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and cannot get pissed about their commander dying on ETB
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but the in between is the worst
that looks like a combo commander/ massive value engine
moldrotha is a popular one, not quite kill on sight but close
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I died to that girl commander that Explores everytime you gain life
and blow up the board when she gets at 20/20
Didnt feel like it but the guy was able to +20 her in two turns
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Forgot her name
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yeah i know what you talking about can scryfall the name but i am lazy
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[[Amalia Benavides Aguirre]]
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so it was like 30 life gain into exploring non lands and wipe?
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and creatures that deals damage when another creature dies
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18 power buff without other sources
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He did 65 life to everyone
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thats some good scaling blood artist right there
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yeah, basically aristrocrats with explore value and hidden win con
not so obvious aristrocrats XD
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He had the nuts with Soul warden t1 and no one interacting with it
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dang
i think i replaced almost every single target removal in a deck that cant afford small spells to some form of wipe effects big and small
so it has like 7 wipes that can kill all the tokens/ value stuff or small creatures
and was considering another
[[confusion in the rank]]
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i want this in bello but it messed with things too much XD
really need shroud
[[harmless offering]]
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those two alone is 1700?
i dont have any deck over $300 even the 10+ year decks probably barely hits that range
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With all the sleeves, bag and other shit
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right
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Couple cards I bought then removed from the deck that costed 15$+ too
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i must be the only person using penny sleeves on those decade old decks
my newer decks has proper sleeves
but half of them dont lol
😅
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Well I believe that when I stop playing the cards will have accumulated value
MTG can be an investment lol
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I double sleeve the cards that cost more
New cards in considering in hobbits
[[Golgari charm]] is interesting
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[[Sundering growth]] too
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Oh wait, its a creature token only
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[[wildsear scouring maw]]
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Yeah he's on the bench ftm
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https://scryfall.com/card/uma/201/golgari-charm
not a bad inclusion; each mode is a little niche
for protection i think thats exact what oyu may need
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Yeah I like it, cheap and multi-function
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i find that every charm is technically playable as long as at least 2 modes are always something you want in that deck
if you only have 1
then there were be better
will*
populate is creature token only
so i am not big on it
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Yeah I read the card
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and you just said that too
i didnt read your next line XD
turning non creature into creature is so hard
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[[Flare of fortitude]] is also interesting
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yeah every version of "i am not Tpro, i am the lesser brother but still better than you" card
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Precisely lol
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i prefer those over interaction type removal
but thats also because i am not at the bracket 3+ power level or prefer not to be
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[[boompile]] interesting way to potentially make your opponent want to block?
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Artifact
: Flip a coin. If you win the flip, destroy all nonland permanents.
"Fuses? We have more than enough! Now . . . which one was it?" —Flearan One-Eye, goblin engineer
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knowing you can pop it like an untapped nev disk upon entering
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[[untimely malfunction]] if it wasnt already in your list
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I have reverse someone's oubliette onto their own commander in their mono black deck once before
and it was absolutely deserving consider the type of player/deck builder he was
mode 2 along is enough to make this card worth the 99 and mode 3 has niche synergy sometimes. With bello thats drawing 2 cards
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Yeah its in the list.
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ALrighty
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if only it is a playable card lol
[[ Cirith Ungol Patrol]] definitely not a [[warren soultrader]]
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Creature — Orc Soldier
, , Sacrifice another creature: Draw a card, then create a Food token. (It's an artifact with "
, , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
"Spies feared on Stairs. Double vigilance. Patrol to head of Stairs." —Shagrat's orders
4/5
Creature — Zombie Goblin Wizard
Pay 1 life, Sacrifice another creature: Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"The living take their souls for granted. The dead know what they're worth."
3/3
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[[deadly dispute]]
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice an artifact or creature.
Draw two cards and create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"That's a pretty ring! Trade you my knife for it."
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hmmm [[artifact mutation]] as an emegency chump blockers?
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it kinda sucks how rhythm of the wild cant get too much of the benefit from non creature spells? or i guess that half doesnt matter as long as the counter is there
[[renata, call to the hunt]] is an okay blocker
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — Demigod
Renata's power is equal to your devotion to green. (Each 
in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to green.)
Each other creature you control enters with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
*/3
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ALright, I'm back from my LGS. Won with Hobbits lost with Bello, although only because the blue player focused on me instead of the guy playing [[Lathril Blade of the elves]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
Whenever Lathril deals combat damage to a player, create that many 1/1 green Elf Warrior creature tokens.
, Tap ten untapped Elves you control: Each opponent loses 10 life and you gain 10 life.
2/3
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Hobbits performed like a champ. The mono white player hated me because Smeagol kept stealing his lands (He was playing Pillowfort monowhite with a low land count)
It felt like a 3v1 for most of the end game but I pulled through
Delney popped off last turn but MVP was ENduring Tenacity and [[Sorin ravenous]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Noble
Lifelink
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay 
. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
At the beginning of each of your postcombat main phases, if you gained 3 or more life this turn, exile Sorin, then return him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
1/4
Sorin, Ravenous Neonate
Legendary Planeswalker — Sorin
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay . If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
+2: Create a Food token.
−1: Sorin deals damage equal to the amount of life you gained this turn to any target.
−6: Gain control of target creature. It becomes a Vampire in addition to its other types. Put a lifelink counter on it if you control a white permanent other than that creature or Sorin.
Loyalty: 3
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Hobbits deck upgraded. I added [[Witch Enchanter]] [[Fell the profane]] and [[Golgari charm]]
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Creature — Human Warlock
When this creature enters, destroy target artifact or enchantment an opponent controls.
Shilgengar's famine once starved Stensia into embracing vampirism. The Dawnhart Coven would not let the same happen to Kessig.
2/2
Witch-Blessed Meadow
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
"Ghrin-Danu will not let her people go hungry." —Katilda, Dawnhart Prime
Instant
Destroy target creature or planeswalker.
"I can think of no fate more fitting for one so foul as you." —Aryel, knight of Windgrace
Fell Mire
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add 
.
"The Nethermire is all the salvation you deserve." —Aryel, knight of Windgrace
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I think the deck is now complete. The only thing "Missing" is Verdant Catacombs, and finding space for Aerith and the Wind Crystal... Eventually.
Choices at first glance would be Gyome and Pippin (Or Meriadoc)
Another weakness of the deck is the Draw. Any changes to the deck would need to be something for more Draw power
15 pieces of interaction is very comfortable. Learning what MDFC lands were really helped me add more to the deck without sacrificing anything.
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RiP
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e[[enduring Tenacity ]]
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my discord lagged so i only read til "the blue player focused on me" part when i responded rip lol
delney doing work as expected, but didnt steal the spotlight from the life gain synergy
[[Meriadoc]]
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Citizen
Whenever one or more Halflings you control attack a player, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
"My dear old Hobbit, you don't allow for the inquisitiveness of friends. I have known about the existence of the Ring for years."
2/2
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i was never big on pippen to begin with
gyome is meh because of the high cost and curve in the deck but if you get it late game it is okay
if you only want to make food though, Meriadoc do the roughly the same thing at less than half the cost and condition
gyome need to be on board to see things coming in that turn is the biggest downfall on it
although eat food for indestructible is also lot of board pressences
so it is basically morning fast food? or more utility food with a quality nutrition diet
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Usually Gyome sits in my hand due to me having better plays to make turn after turn. I'd like to drop him but he costs so much for basically nothing for the turn he's played
Meriadoc always delivers tho. Frodo attack every turn he's able to. Honestly, the other one not pulling its weight right now is [[Pippin warden]]
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Advisor
Partner with Merry, Warden of Isengard (When this creature enters, target player may put Merry into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
, : Create a Food token.
, Sacrifice four Foods: Other creatures you control get +3/+3 and gain haste until end of turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/2
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Another weakness of the deck is the Draw. Any changes to the deck would need to ...
anything for more draw and higher power = more interaction
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Usually Gyome sits in my hand due to me having better plays to make turn after t...
exactly my point, you took the words right out of my mouth
actually i completely forgot to check out pippin as commander in a deck to see how it is built along side merry
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Its more of a aggro deck. You don't eat food as much as you sacrifice it due to not having Sam
For draw, I have choices between [[Bennie Bracks]] [[Mangara the diplomat]] [[Hardened Tactician]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of each end step, if you created a token this turn, draw a card.
His enthusiastic curiosity puts even the most fearsome of beasts at ease.
3/2
Creature — Human Warrior
, Sacrifice a token: Draw a card.
"Life is full of tough calls. We honor the dead today to make better decisions tomorrow." —Uruna, Mardu lieutenant
2/4
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For bennie, I have some cards that can make tokens out of turn, but removing Pippin is one less. I'm not sure I could get more than a card per turn from Bennie on average.
Mangara depends on my opponents, but them casting 2 spells is an easy trigger, and me being attacked is pretty much standard on my games so far. He is the costly one of the bunch though
Hardened Tactician would eat up my ressources, but 1 mana for 1 card is a great price.
Outside of draw, [[Apothecary white]] stands out a lot to me as the replacement for Meriadoc. Being able to instant cast blockers is great and it can make multiple food if I attack multiple opponents (Harder to do usually)
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Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Vigilance
Whenever you attack, you create a Food token for each player being attacked. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
, , Tap X untapped Foods you control: Create X 1/1 white Human creature tokens.
3/4
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And I would love to find space for [[Serah Farron]] [[The wind crystal]] and [[Aerith Gainsborough]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Citizen
The first legendary creature spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you control two or more other legendary creatures, you may transform Serah Farron.
"Our own private heaven."
2/2
Crystallized Serah
Legendary Artifact
The first legendary creature spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
Legendary creatures you control get +2/+2.
L'Cie who fulfill their Focus for their fal'Cie master are transformed into crystal and granted life eternal.
Legendary Artifact
White spells you cast cost less to cast.
If you would gain life, you gain twice that much life instead.
, : Creatures you control gain flying and lifelink until end of turn.
"I give unto you the last of my light, and with it, the last hope of a fading world."
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i think i favour bennie with the convoke flexible curve and no additional cost like hardened tact
mangara has the extra clause and politcal power and also life link
so it is all in one definitely 4 mana worthy
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Yeah I was thinking if I put Apothecary in I'd have another proc for Bennie
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oh nvm
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scroll up a bit its there lol
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i see the card above
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Mangara depends on my opponents, but them casting 2 spells is an easy trigger, a...
i think its the political game that it wins by turning it into a mini ghostly prison effect
and people will still cast 2 spell anyways, ignoring the second part
its a lot less annoying that being asked
"Do you pay the 1"
as a body, 4 toughness and controlled draw, hardened tactician does the best
limited by how much resources you are willing to put in
or assessible to your board state
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rough estimate, each one is at least one per turn cycle, if anyone gives 2 or more, thats the one you want the most unless you only need 1 for consistency
hardenscale can give more than 2
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Depends on how much I wanna spend in mana
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but thats a lot more mana
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That the problem with Hardened I think
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its not a problem IF you got other winning piece like manufactor
so they are technically all 4 mana
for 1 card
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I put more weight on individual power, especially without tutors
Bennie will never be 4 mana tho
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because of vigiliance
benne is the only 
here
although you also want to cast before attacking
unless you drew it off the ring
most draws and board pressence, mangara
fleixibility bennie
aggressiveness digging deep, tactian
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because of vigiliance
? I dont understand why the relevance of Vigilance
You meant convoke?
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hard to know the exact choice due to preference and game play + match up dependent
attack and n ot tapped
so you can convoke with that attacker
but then you will need another way to make a token
oh wait
nvm
it doesnt draw on seeing the token but rather end step
so ideally attack first with Frodo then tap Frodo for the white
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Oh yeah I understand now
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benne is the only <:mana3:750431030779052113> here
vigilance convoke is nice
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I'd tap sam too for bennie, so he'd be at the very least 2 mana
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unless you attacked with Sam for an extra food
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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/177/meriadoc-brandybuck
cos of her
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[[Sam Loyal attendant]] Sam makes food by existing
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
Partner with Frodo, Adventurous Hobbit (When this creature enters, target player may put Frodo into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
Activated abilities of Foods you control cost less to activate.
2/4
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i mean being halfing attacker
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cos of her
That's a him XD It's Merry
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oh, close enough XD
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And Merry makes 1 food, doesnt matter if I attack with 1 or multiple
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idc could be trans ¯_(ツ)_/¯
it matters
meriadoc say Halflings you control attack a player,
one for each attacked opponent
s
up to 3 if you have enough halfing to spread
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<Whenever one or more Halflings you control>
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yes, thats the part where you can attack an opponent with 10 halflings or 1
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Doesnt that mean that only 1 food is created?
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but the player part is individual players
this is why i mentioend this card before a while back
at 2 mana it can make up to 3 food with 3 opponents
[[professional face breaker]]
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Ohhhh. Damn I didnt know
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similar wording here
as much as I didnt like having to attack into multiple direction with a weak board
it is very efficient at making multiple food
at 2 mana
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[[Apothecary white]] has better wording then
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Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Vigilance
Whenever you attack, you create a Food token for each player being attacked. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
, , Tap X untapped Foods you control: Create X 1/1 white Human creature tokens.
3/4
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ah
kinda
idk if it is a dated thing or just because of the one of more attacking creature typing thing
maybe they can reword it as "...attack, create a Food token for each player being attacked." for concise and clearness
so it should work
must be a date related since case is newer
i dont think you can find that replacement for meriadoc easily, i already tried when i first mentioned it
anything that can make 2 food, with other upside, at roughly the same cost maybe
the 3 food potential is kinda low imo
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Yeah it changes how I see the card now
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it is unplayable outside of LotR's tribal and i hate those parasitic designs lol
idk if aerith is worth it because the death trigger is very hard to control. although it can just beat face/ get chumped until someone have to get a removal for her
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Yeah that was my thought
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sFarron and crystal i have no bad things to say
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Aerith can just grow an beat up faces until dealt with
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taking a removal as a 3 drop makes aerith a good distraction
only works if it is used after the players exhausted their board wipe options
or never tutor/draw into one
a 3 drop but nowhere near a turn 3 play
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Board wipes is always the weakness of the deck, which Serah helps a lot with
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turn 6/7 and so on
aerith doesnt help that weakness
okay with rebuilding
if you even remove her yourself, thats a nice way to turn the +1 counters into a surprise combat trick
but then it gets mana intensive
which shouldnt be a problem if it is a later turn thing like i predicted
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yeah those awkward scaling cards
feelsl ike a black market
either tons of mana, useless, or instantly take a eremoval
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So far, my thoughts would be:
-Pippin
-Gyome
+Serah Farron
+Bennie Bracks
Anything else to remove I'd probably look into the interacts
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i would have put it in before idol unless there is a budget restriction
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if phyrexian arena was a consideration
i dont have problem with a with out the life loss version of it
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I removed Phyrexian from consideration too, too slow, high price compared to other options
Idol is already better than those
Anything that needs to stay on board for a turn without doing anything loses some points, so it needs to be a pretty good card
Like Black Market Connections
I'm back after a very long hiatus so I wasnt aware of all the options
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yeah phyrexian i can understand and it made sense in this deck
bennie basically need at least 2 to break even and then 1 each turn cycle to fit the curve
and match the same rate
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Big difference being he's a creature. Honestly I'd prefer a better option that stays out of boardwipes but he's ok.
I'll try to find space for Apothecary White. She's really interesting
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yeah, she should be good in the deck
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XD i am looking at more janks again
I want to mention this jank [[Blind fury]]
& Bello doesnt mind a [[stuffy doll]]
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Indestructible
As this creature enters, choose a player.
Whenever this creature is dealt damage, it deals that much damage to the chosen player.
: This creature deals 1 damage to itself.
0/1
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whenever it is offense or defense, both will do wonders
only x2 dmg on creatures, on your attack, indestrutible cleaverly ignore that problem and will probably run over everything
downside being that you would have to get trample after fury resolves
and i am not sure how the damage assign is done, is the damage doubled AFTER assigned or have to assign excess dmg
saw related ruling but forgot them
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Haven't played with Bello a lot these past LGS games. A lot of people are lending their FF Precons to play around with but once it calms down I'll get back to testing.
Hobbits changes:
I'll remove Invasion of Fiora and re-add a cheap board wipe. 6 Mana for a creature board wipe is too much for this deck
Either that or I put in a Mass Recursion
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And I wanna fit in [[Hazel's Brewmaster]] and [[Inspiring Statuary]]
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Artifact
Nonartifact spells you cast have improvise. (Your artifacts can help cast those spells. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Ghirapur's most celebrated inventors have been immortalized in clockwork.
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Honestly, trading [[Three visits]] for [[Skyshroud Claim]] seems good too since my ramp is usually either T1 or T4+, never T2 or T3
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Let's try this:
-Darksteel Mutation
-Despark
-Invasion of Fiora
-Night's Whisper
-Three Visits
+Deadly Dispute
+Hazel's Brewmaster
+Inspiring Statuary
+Skyshroud Claim
+Slaughter the Strong
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I'll remove Invasion of Fiora and re-add a cheap board wipe. 6 Mana for a creatu...
yeah 6 mana is very high for this deck
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And I wanna fit in [[Hazel's Brewmaster]] and [[Inspiring Statuary]]
i will see where can make cut after work or sth
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Honestly, trading [[Three visits]] for [[Skyshroud Claim]] seems good too since ...
so... deadly dispute is the swap for nights whisper, slaughter the strong wasnt already in?
fiora out should works, ramp for ramp
2 removal with no synergy out
for more gas
brewmaster i may need to look up combo/good value engine to know how much this one can do
the only card i am not too familiar with, the other ones were all somewhat mentioned before with potential in the deck
i guess the only thing about skyshroud claim is that in case the 
mana is needed later turn*/draw it late, may want to keep the shock land in the library for an untapped dual
i usually just have lot of basics and budget tap dual
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brewmaster i may need to look up combo/good value engine to know how much this o...
The big takeaway is that Sam's 1 mana cost reduction on food also works with Hazel's exiled cards.
There's honestly not that much synergy with my own cards (Samwise Gamgee being the biggest one, and the mana dorks ofc) but stealing cards is fun.
And ofc I have all the shocklands I need for Skyshroud if needed.
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https://moxfield.com/decks/daZx89wDlUubd6ntvLR31Q i have this decade old deck that I am trying to fix but never really fully looked at it properly. Some are easy swaps (low cost pingers) but the problem is probably elsewhere
some cards probably better in other decks as well
It is one of my early decks i never took apart
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I'll take a look
Hobbits and Bello has been amazing so far. 50% win rate ATM with the latest changes.
signal saffron
idk how you can play two decks so much and not get bored XD
wraith lance
I play decks I like. The social aspect is the real pleasure tho
signal saffron
yeah true
lethal blade
@wraith lance bro you need a [[!bloodthirsty conqueror]] and [[!exquisite blood]] and a [[!sanguine bond]]
signal saffron
<@184136211655294976> bro you need a [[!bloodthirsty conqueror]] and [[!exquisit...
why is that?
its not a combo deck
signal saffron
so, is that suggestion involve turning it into mono black vito deck?
wraith lance
<@184136211655294976> bro you need a [[!bloodthirsty conqueror]] and [[!exquisit...
The tread is long but I did say that I didn't want to combo in this deck, so no Exquisite Blood or Conqueror.
Sanguine Bond has been replaced by [[Enduring Tenacity]] a while ago to save mana for the same effect.
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lethal blade
The tread is long but I did say that I didn't want to combo in this deck, so no ...
That's the creature I meant
But i got it no combos
signal saffron
in my case, i may end up adding combos
wraith lance
https://moxfield.com/decks/daZx89wDlUubd6ntvLR31Q i have this decade old deck th...
From a quick look, to me Rakdos feels like a commander that wants to cast haste creatures, then drop massive Eldrazis on the field afterwards. So I guess I would concentrate on that strategy
signal saffron
i didnt want lot of the eldrazis because of how annilnator does in game playy
and i need damage to cast commander
so haste is nice but depends on how much mana it cost me and how early in the game
rn i only have ramp below 3 to get enough (4) for commander
and creatures that can get early damage around the condition
wraith lance
ANything that can ping everyone for 1 is good too I guess. theres a lot of them. 1-2 mana cheap stuff like [[Spear Spewer]].
[[Gray merchant]] is a must I'd say
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Creature — Goblin Warrior
Defender
: This creature deals 1 damage to each player.
"Don't waste time aiming, you lazy gob-slug! Fire!" —Krenko, mob boss
0/2
wraith lance
[[Gray merchant of asphodel]]
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Creature — Zombie
When this creature enters, each opponent loses X life, where X is your devotion to black. You gain life equal to the life lost this way. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to black.)
2/4
wraith lance
[[Descent into avernus]]
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signal saffron
yeah i may have to move avernus out of the other deck in here
it looks perfect
if i have a second copy that would be nice 😅
gray i just kinda got bored of, so i limited it to decks that lacks win con
signal saffron
[[virtue of knowledge]]
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Enchantment
If a permanent entering causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Vantress Visions 
Instant — Adventure
Copy target activated or triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
signal saffron
[[rite of duplication]]
alpine egretBOT
Sorcery
Kicker 
(You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Create a token that's a copy of target creature. If this spell was kicked, create five of those tokens instead.
signal saffron
[[copy enchantment]]
alpine egretBOT
signal saffron
@wraith lance not sure how viable those cards are in your higher power games because of that mana cost
copy you should at least be able to find the rhystic or tithe
wraith lance
Virtue is def a strong inclusion
signal saffron
if the deck lacks win con, one of my favourite is [[polluted bonds]] and it has a nice anime art as well
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wraith lance
Rite cost a ton for an effect that doesnt really advance the plan, considering I need to pay to cast the exiled spells afterwards
signal saffron
rite is to make tons of copy for the etb
wraith lance
Yeah I know
signal saffron
each one will trigger 5 times thats too satisfying for me to skip on
wraith lance
Just to make sure
signal saffron
even if it decks myself out XD
wraith lance
I cant cast rites on any legendaries
wraith lance
the ETB still triggers?
wraith lance
So I could Rite on Evelynn and do they all stack together for a math challenge?
signal saffron
ideally, rite on something like [[halimar excavator]] is more powerful because you keep the copies for future effect
alpine egretBOT
signal saffron
So I could Rite on Evelynn and do they all stack together for a math challenge?
exactly, its not that challenging
[[evelynn]]
alpine egretBOT
signal saffron
dang
alpine egretBOT
signal saffron
Whenever Evelyn or another Vampire you control enters,
5 copies
legend rule, get rid of any 5
priority
5 vampires entered, original trigger 5 times
each of the token count itself and sees the other 4
so 5 triggers each
wraith lance
not 6?
signal saffron
so 25 more + original 5 = 30
wraith lance
OG Evelyn+5 tokens no?
wraith lance
derp derp
signal saffron
with etb doubling thats 30 individual triggers x2 = 60
and since she cares about things with the collection counter
that means she can let you cast anything even though it was from other evelyns' exile
wraith lance
Draw?
alpine egretBOT
wraith lance
[[Panharmonicon]]
alpine egretBOT
wraith lance
Anyway, gotta go sleep. I'll tty tomorrow