Star's Edge

[lunar raptor]

a spy that's misregistered early that then gets the LM passed to them can still do a lot of harm

[surreal torrent]

i don’t think it would be the end of the world to cut vig and then put it back if it the vigless version sucks

[lost sigil]

Like "double drunk" is not a thing in 90% of games

[lunar raptor]

yeah but it can be in 10% and those possibilities still need to be considered

it just means you can save those less likely worlds for later

[lost sigil]

The Hermit should always be removing an Outsider if it's not selfremoving, meaning it's only ever a thing in non-vig b2 godfather games

[surreal torrent]

if it can happen then a responsible town needs to at least acknowledge it

[lunar raptor]

yeah i don't think any harm comes from testing it

[lost sigil]

Notably Vigor cannot coexist with double drunks

[surreal torrent]

not always, but a huge majority of the time

[lost sigil]

Authorial intent is always I'm pretty sure

Like I remember asking Delta here

[surreal torrent]

so do i

i’ll go check my dms 1 sec

-Hermit should almost always remove an Outsider if it removes any at all

[lunar raptor]

hermit should almost always remove an outsider if it removes an outsider? crazy

[surreal torrent]

lmao was noticing the same

i assume he meant in base 1-2

but not certain

[lunar raptor]

ahhhhhh that makes sense yeah

hermit should almost always remove an outsider if there any to remove

[lost sigil]

If it wouldn't selfremove, it removes an outsider

[surreal torrent]

i haven’t run the script as much as i’d like but i suspect double drunk bags CAN exist with a powerful enough town (math + lib + UT etc)

[lunar raptor]

still, i haven't played much of the new star's edge version but if it's still winding up consistently evil-favoured, i think testing vig-less version is a perfectly acceptable change

iirc from when i played the pre-chambermaid versions, vig-poison tended to be what i considered least anyway, and the hermit/drunk/spy possibilities messed with stuff enough on their own

[surreal torrent]

being forced to deal with atheist as a possibility means less misinfo goes farther here than it would elsewhere

[lunar raptor]

yeah just the existence of an atheist claim complicates the game significantly

[surreal torrent]

from what i’ve seen it looks like vigpoison frequently dominates a game because town doesn’t have the resources to focus on it when they’re busy looking for drunks, spies and breaking theist worlds

[trim cape]

vig in b2 with hermit is based

[lost sigil]

I think it's a fair test but I mostly just want to do the scriptaday on the Vigor version

so releasing yet another version right as I'm finishing up is a bit of a stab to the heart

[trim cape]

i wuv vig

[lost sigil]

@vati say it back

[trim cape]

it back

[surreal torrent]

consider: cry about it

[lost sigil]

Pestilence scriptaday soon

[trim cape]

can you script a day my con submission

[lost sigil]

ive been crying about it the CM version JUST GOT STABLE

[lost sigil]

lowkey yeah

[surreal torrent]

(i get where you’re coming from i’d be annoyed too lmao)

[trim cape]

ok i’ll send to you when sober and home

[lost sigil]

fire

[lunar raptor]

just replace any mentions of the vig with like glitchy text or something 🔥

script-a-day ARG

vatimortis is corrupting your post

[lost sigil]

who do I look like, piglix

[surreal torrent]

it’s annoying trying to get winrate data when half the games are atheist 😭

[lunar raptor]

if delta wants to do vig-less version testing then i think the best method is just to keep the current version as the "official" one, and then after a bunch of testing if Star's Edge vig-less ends up better, make it an official update further down the road or something

[surreal torrent]

next time i run it i’ll unofficially cut vig

[floral isle]

i mean tbf the big issue rn is evil sweeps

[floral isle]

yeah i'll run some Vigless Star's Edge and if I feel like good is performing better then I'll come back

i'm sorry Axo i completely forgot that this was the active script-a-day project 😭

the main thing is i never see vig poison get considered bc vig poison at all is extremely tough to like map

the idea of a slowly building misinfo source to replace a drunk sounds very cool then it doesn't get players talking

(town appears to ignore Demon type quite often anyways for much of the game, its usually not important if its anything but Vig)

[surreal torrent]

yeah again town doesn’t have the time to look at vig

the drunks and spy and atheist claim are a time sink

[surreal torrent]

this might be part of why vig gets ignored actually?

it’s the only demon with a significant effect on worldbuilding

[floral isle]

the main place it matters is double kills at night bc its Yagga or Godfather

but Godfather kills are fairly loud so conversation focuses on them naturally

[surreal torrent]

if you realllly wanted to i could see vig->ojo

[lunar raptor]

oh yeah ojo was on here before

[lost sigil]

I don't think Ojo has a niche with Yaggababble onscript though

[floral isle]

yeah

[lost sigil]

like they do much the same thing, and the script already has a Spy

[surreal torrent]

i tend to agree

[floral isle]

ojo is the "livetext/longtext yagga stand in"

[lost sigil]

so it's just "you're shittier at killing things, the character"

[surreal torrent]

the niche i was considering is “if town can’t build godfather worlds they no longer necessarily go into hard antiyag play”

but that’s not exactly helpful for a player who actually pulls ojo

-vig +assassin goes crazy

[floral isle]

oh vigless assassin makes me like that more

i think i'd test it as a 3 demon script tho

[surreal torrent]

oh absolutely

[lost sigil]

Hermit-PD already exists right

[lunar raptor]

assassin's fun but a little bit weird with plague doctor, especially when it's also almost strictly better than doctoring in godfather most of the time

[surreal torrent]

still requires an outsider to have died the previous day

[lost sigil]

if the player who died previously is a Hermit candidate, that's not too hard to sell

[lunar raptor]

i do feel like it could lead people to think "well we have to execute early cause assassin could lose us the game if a plague doctor or hermit died"

[floral isle]

yeah there's concerns with how it affects how people approach night deaths

[surreal torrent]

the unfamiliar undertaker:

[lost sigil]

it's unfamiliar with the way it's NEVER IN THE BAG 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[floral isle]

PUT UNDERTAKER IN THE BAG!!!

[lost sigil]

I DO AND THEN THEY DIE N2

[floral isle]

TRUE!

[lost sigil]

and then the dreamer doesn't want to pick the player who just got executed because it's stinky or something

[floral isle]

i've given undertaker info in theist games like 6 times on Star's Edge

[lost sigil]

and they don't like using their dreamer ability on dead players

[floral isle]

and 2 of those were when they were drunk

[lost sigil]

and then they lose

[lunar raptor]

axo can you petition the mods to add barista true emote to this server? i think it'd be highly beneficial

[surreal torrent]

getting executed by the players because the undertaker is alive d3

[lunar raptor]

well that's the undertaker's job duh

if they're too busy DEAD then it's nooooooooot my problem 😎

[lost sigil]

only if they also let me add

[surreal torrent]

actually both dreamer and undertaker checking the previous executee is awesome now that i think about it

[lost sigil]

it's a homescript interaction (tour)

[surreal torrent]

united states congress be like

[lunar raptor]

okay but steven emote would actually be goated 🔥

[surreal torrent]

yeah but tour doesn’t have 2 drunks

:))

[floral isle]

it has 3

[lost sigil]

TRUE

the two dashii poisons and the ravenkeeper who is bluffing zealot

(foxx)

[floral isle]

and he'll be bluffing zealot even after he dies

[lost sigil]

yeah and so we never execute the recluse claim

and LOSE about it!!!

[floral isle]

many such cases

[lost sigil]

sad!!!!

[floral isle]

final 3 atheist claim on star's edge 🫡

[lost sigil]

didn't he claim atheist as the fucking plague doctor that one game

the one where hystrex and i were witch/imp and i bluffed the dumbest savant info in history and won about it

[floral isle]

yes

he was trying to stop an actual evil from bluffing it

but there was a snitch

so Hystrex knew there was no Atheist token seeing player

(bc why else am I showing that)

[lost sigil]

mhm

[surreal torrent]

hello evil player i would like you to have the information that there is an evil team in this game

[empty rivet]

What is that script i may ask?

[empty rivet]

Also my group was starting to like this version of the script 😭😭😭😭

[surreal torrent]

you can always stick to the version they like

[floral isle]

also vigless star's edge isnt canon yet

[surreal torrent]

#notmystarsedge

[empty rivet]

Okey

[half yoke]

In this game, not a single person said the words “vigor killed minion” until f3. Dunno if that’s just my group or indicative of a trend, though.

Even then it was almost immediately dismissed as a world in favor of Atheist, though again that may just be me rigging the bag too far in evil’s favor

[floral isle]

thats quite bad in an actual vig game to have it considered so little tbh

[surreal torrent]

yeah again there’s just soooo much processing that needs to happen to figure out drunks and spies that vig poison either gets lost by itself or gets considered for half a second before town goes “we don’t have time to consider that if we want to win nonvigor worlds”

[half yoke]

-Vig +Lleech

[fossil heron]

what does the win rate look like with Hermit/Drunk seeing Atheist, vs Hermit/Drunk seeing other TF?

[floral isle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/uncanny-emoji

[floral isle]

its not been tracked but i'd estimate higher than other TF

[surreal torrent]

for which team

[floral isle]

for evil

[lost sigil]

.

one good win, one evil win!

[surreal torrent]

pd executed into pd-gf kill into spy-claiming-pd executed into second pd-gf kill

[sly ledge]

w

[versed parrot]

it's a peak script!!

[lost sigil]

two more games, one sec

atheist loss

vigor loss; good win

[surreal torrent]

i hope there’s never a vigor loss ever again (removed from script)

[coarse palm]

Vigor loss in this economy

[mint jay]

Vigor loss from a couple weeks back

[coarse palm]

atheist win (7 votes)

[mint jay]

4 VIs 😮