yeah. a dead player can bluff damsel to try and get their townsfolk ability swapped back into a living player, and dead players are encouraged to damsel cover a little bit too
#The Passage of Time
crisp parrot
as mentioned by Pond, you can limit using the optional rule how many guesses are made per day. In a 15 player game I'd limit it to 5.
barber with Wizard + Damsel is intended. Wizardmaxxing is fun and silly but you can cost wishes more harshly for repeated wishing to disencourage it as "best play". Damsels should be careful with Barber on script, and dead players should try to damsel cover. This keeps the outsideryness of Damsel intact despite the more rampant kills.
and yeah a 5th minion instead of a 5th outsider would be nice, however an issue with a 5th minion is "which". Right now this evil suite is very tight, I have seen a player go "don't you just make X every time?" for each of the evil characters several times, suggesting to me that whilst likely there's an optimal set, its still a hard choice and comes down to preferences. Fang Gu is the least common "dont you just make X?" comment, but I've seen it twice now.
also only 1 psycho swing over 3 games??? noooo
also TPOT the first ever script to have lategame booms be stronger than early game booms
most boom wins are like penultimate day booms
crisp parrot
did the Demon type change in these Engineer/Wizard games?
i track Starting & Ending Demon win rates
currently Boomdandy triggers have 5 wins and 4 losses
on TPOT
also Boomdandy triggers in 33% of TPOT games according to this
lol
if i exclude the "shit version of TPOT where Boomdandy was 100% a thrall" then it is 5 wins and 3 losses
boomdandy on TPOT appears to work bc the info landscape is very thin and whatever info there is requires time to parse
like General + Savant
so boomdandy just invalidates that info and makes it a complete socials game
calm patio
boomdandy is pog always as long as sts dont run it as "final 3 lol" but instead as a "shit yourself and die"
crisp parrot
yeah thats how I run ity
i pick the "worlds worst final 3" then countdown
early booms should be a 66% chance for evil to win
and late booms are ideally a 50/50 at worst
calm patio
me at the worlds worst blunt rotation when i hear a knock on the door: my brother the storyteller is lying to us
the perspiacious Shabaloth: you are the Demon sire
crisp parrot
is this a northernlion bit
calm patio
wait
crisp parrot
also boomdandy is genuinely peak in this type of environment because it stacks the deck in evils favour but still allows for fun final days
calm patio
crisp parrot
boomdandy sucks if the boom needs to bluff info roles (and there's no Atheist on script bc Atheist tends to make Boom less thrally)
calm patio
anyways this tweet is big boomdandy vibes
raw anvil
no way Fall of Rome reference?
brazen mountain
baron fifth minion trust
calm karma
did the Demon type change in these Engineer/Wizard games?
1st was starting imp, n1 it was engineered to shab and then snake charmed. 2nd the engineer changed the boomdandy into wizard (the impotous for the wizard revenge giving the engineer the boom), and the 3rd engineer was a bluff.
calm karma
15 no traveller
crisp parrot
i doubt you'd remember but did you use the Sentinel Game 3 and did you use it to remove or add an Outsider?
calm karma
Never used sentinel. I think you advised only using it if its base 0
crisp parrot
nah i do recommend using it in Base 1 & 2 as theres no negative mod on the script, the HTR advice is just use the +1 sparingly
calm karma
Other fun fact, the only 2 shab resurrections were minions
crisp parrot
thats fine tho I'm mostly collecting Sentinel use choices to measure its impact on bags bc I think thats interesting data
crisp parrot
Other fun fact, the only 2 shab resurrections were minions
thats fun!!
shab is such an interesting Demon on this script because of stuff like this
calm karma
Yeah I really like the script
Oh but for boomdandy data, there were some allegations of people possibly moving their points after 0, so I'll need to reiterate the rules on that one :/
crisp parrot
Oh but for boomdandy data, there were some allegations of people possibly moving...
thats fine its hard to moderate
was that in the good win?
(I say "FREEZE" and after that moving the points is against the rules)
calm karma
Yeah I think so. I was yelling but hard to hear. Everyone else standing up and yelling is part of the fun but has some drawbacks lol
crisp parrot
yeah sadly so lol
i love boomdandy but its a hard minion to work on scripts and it can be hard to moderate a boom
crisp parrot
Also a grim of
Fang Gu
Puzzlemaster
Alsaahir
Cannibal
General
Savant
Boomdandy
Banshee
High Priestess
Plague Doctor
Mutant
Wizard turned Cerenovus
2 good wins and 1 evil win
The last game was very crazy and evil nearly won despite a snake charming
crisp parrot
ok I have time to describe these games now
the 1st game was a Damsel guess evil win, as the good team just weren't covering for a Damsel. The Wizard wished for the Plague Doctor to become evil. There was not an opportunity to implement a cost as the day I wanted to do one (the next good player to die by the Demon procs the Banshee ability was the intended cost). The General was seeing me give the "EVIL IS WINNING AAA" thumbs down by me flailing the thumbs down around the night prior
The 2nd game had a killer bluff by the Demon as the Princess... But a good player noticed the Princess/Cannibal jinx, and didn't trust the Cannibal, so in order to prove her, they pushed for her to nominate & execute the Demon. Whoops. The Wizard wished to be the Cerenovus and made the Banshee who procced that night mad as the Huntsman. He basically didn't even try to be mad so that wasted a day but it was still a cooked game.
crisp parrot
The 3rd was a crazy game where all the minions were outed with an Alsaahir and Pixie Alsaahir.
Day 1 the Boomdandy woke up, and immediately Damsel guessed at random. This resulted in the Boomdandy getting 7 votes on them, but good panicked and tied the vote.
The next day, the Psychopath kills the Plague Doctor and adds the Organ Grinder into play.
The Alsaahir on the day they guessed both minions correctly, got the Demon wrong, but then realised who the Demon was and regretted his guess.
so the game looks COOKED. She could starpass but the good team would know, and because both Minions were playing outed, it was very obvious who it would be passed to.
Then the Snake Charmer went CRAZY and snake charmed the prime Demon Candidate, gambling everything, then turned into the Imp, then immediately starpassed to the outed Boomdandy, and bluffed Barber.
They then kill the original Demon, and the game doesn't end or boom, so everyone is now confused bc they have no fucking clue who the snake charmer is because everyone alive besides the minions read good.
So they then TRY to kill the Pixie Alsaahir after the original dies, then they end up accidentally TYING the vote on 5 and then the Psychopath on 4 chooses to kill the Pixie Alsaahir, which cooked the game and gave good the win sadly bc every viable snake charmer candidate is gone.
Also the Huntsman saved the Damsel this game and hard confirmed both as not the Snake Charmer, which made it very hard on evil. the Boomdandy made it a bit easier by guessing immediately, but this is why Huntsman is a Townsfolk, because i think evil wins everytime without the Huntsman confirmation here, but otherwise there was a narrow route to victory.
probably one of the craziest games on tpot tbh
I really want to mark this down as a win in the spreadsheet because it was absolutely an evil win if the Psychopath didn't misplay and this game showcased why Imp can be very strong on this script
But another Imp loss to the pile...
crisp parrot
TPOT has been featured with some modifications as a release script for a character from Bhamber & Paradox's homebrew collection: #1378484000653578322 message
it features a cool Fabled that solves Engineer + Fang Gu without Sentinel, and a demon (Skorn) that does what TPOT Imp wants to do but much better
do check it out :)
brazen mountain
Oh those are both very cool changes!
crisp parrot
skorn is absolutely my favourite of the homebrew collection, it would feel at home as an official Demon
(bhamber + paradox send it to tpi real)
brazen mountain
this is such a cool script. I'd love to run/play it someday
boreal marlin
the abbreviation is pronounced 🫖, right?
calm karma
Played four 7 player games and evil won every time. I believe it was 2 fang gu, 1 imp, and 1 shab. We generally thought the script was underwhelming at the smaller player count because games were too short to actually work things out. Boomdandy is also seems weak in 7 player games, so engineer seemed to have an "optimal" strategy.
Will probably only run this script with 10+ in the future.
Sorry I meant good won every time
crisp parrot
good won every time???
in theory the script is heavily evil sided at low counts
nooo my statistics are going to be so heavily good skewed now 😭
keen gulch
its almost like you have such a small sample size that you cant draw reasonable conclusions from it
crisp parrot
yeah but my 51.52% win rate script (50% win rate on current version is going to shoot to 70% win rate on current version and 63% win rate overall
no....
the shab psycho sentinel +1 games will continue until the record is corrected.
crisp parrot
Played four 7 player games and evil won every time. I believe it was 2 fang gu, ...
can you tell me the data for each. how many had Engineer and which had booms?
keen gulch
Played four 7 player games and evil won every time. I believe it was 2 fang gu, ...
did boom go off? if so, how much time did the st give? if boom felt weak i suspect the st just gave way too much time but i dont have enough context to understand your experience
crisp parrot
yeah
boom in low counts should feel stronger tbh
less time to adequately clear worlds
(panic! boom is very important to late game + low count boom being a strong minion)
also imo
many scripts suffer at 7
its a very tough number
even TB requires a bit of finesse at 7
at 8 or 9 TPOT has always felt fine
keen gulch
@crisp parrot how do you feel about this version of tpot
(deciding if i should print it out or wait for a new version if one is planned soon)
crisp parrot
i was very very happy with it until the 4 good wins in a row dropped
its probably fine
7's prob just an outlier
at most what will change is the Monk to the Soldier or Shugenja to Noble but I want alot of data before significant changes
Since at this point these are balance changes
crisp parrot
oh me neither
keen gulch
i feel like fool>soldier?
keen gulch
its like a virgin with slightly less of a tempo loss
crisp parrot
there's already a tough bluff in Cannibal
keen gulch
it still costs an execution, just not a death
and then it can just die at night or by psycho
crisp parrot
d1 is always princess noms fool
keen gulch
yeah i was about to say its too synergistic with princess
had it in my head that princess execution and fool science would be goals working against each other but nope not at all
crisp parrot
i think rn the script is fine but the 70% version wr and 63% overall will haunt me until things return to the mean
now Imp has the most evil wins on V2.3 with a sample size of 10 🔥
its still 56%!!! my math is just bad!!!
i was so close to 50% tho :(
also
according to the data
changing the Demon into the Imp is statistically hurting your team
Imp the STRONGEST TPOT Demon (when a midgame Demon change occurs)
this data is actually super interesting
because the Imp is the weakest Demon by theory and practise... unless it didn't start in the bag?
calm karma
did boom go off? if so, how much time did the st give? if boom felt weak i suspe...
No booms actually happened
calm karma
can you tell me the data for each. how many had Engineer and which had booms?
I think only one had an engineer and they made a boom night 1
calm karma
in theory the script is heavily evil sided at low counts
Possibly there was some bag building to compensate. E.g. shab + psycho in 7p means town only gets 1 execution, so we didn't put them together
crisp parrot
I do think the script benefits from larger player counts but good winning everytime in 7p is still concerning. Next time please take grim pics if you can as they are really helpful for debugging this kind of stuff
boreal marlin
said evil won every time
crisp parrot
they corrected themselves
crisp parrot
2 recreated grims, 1 taken by me, 1 missing
3 good wins 1 evil win
2 of the good wins didn't feel inherently reflective of a neutral game of TPOT
1 was an N1 Snakecharming
1 was a Wizard wish that outed a player as being evil bc it was the Goblin ability. They were expecting the wish to be uncosted or unclued despite TPOT not being built for a Goblin, so they made a wish they thought was a free win that backfired into a guaranteed loss for evil
but the game where I was the Engineer I'm very excited about
I made a Fang Gu and it was a game winning decision (the Demon was far less trusted than the Minion!!!)
it was starting Imp
the Minion was more trusted than me or the Monk or even the Pixie
having the starpass option here 100% would've led to a good loss if used
undone birch
The princess nominated & executed the plague doctor which in my humble opinion is not worth a night of no deaths. I of course had to give myself a wizard wish which was "each night, a player becomes the damsel" which on that night was the unspent engineer. The boomdandy then exploded and f3 was the demon, the snake charmed starting damsel, and the cannibal plague doctor. The boomdandy just didn't guess anyone as the damsel, and good won
Fun game this is literally the tomb fr fr
keen gulch
game 2 of that set, psycho lost RPS d1 and the snarmer hit the imp n2 😭
the new demon wrote a message begging for a specific PD-wizard wish and i tried to respect the intent while not being comfortable with doing the exact wish balance-wise but unfortunately the end result was an already-over game continuing for an unnecessary extra night :(
also my savant info sucked because i’m horrendously out of practice and i was having a rough time coming up with anything at all
imp just feels super super rough on one minion i think
keen gulch
The princess nominated & executed the plague doctor which in my humble opinion i...
ok. to be fair. the PD did not claim PD until after she had been executed
undone birch
"I think this would be a fine execution" "no it would not be"
keen gulch
if you only execute people who are totally ok with it then you kill boomdandies and not demons
and there are varying levels of "not an ok execution"
i def should've communicated with town better tho, i did the thing i really hate princesses doing where i made a nom and had to justify it after instead of asking town who they wanted executed
crisp parrot
Imp is best in 1 minion with Wizard and Organ Grinder, and is kinda ok with Boomdandy, but is going to need to put effort in to make Imp strong with psychopath
it's the toughest Demon on TPOT
so another 2 good wins... (The spiral continues)
My 50% win rate script went to 60% (I am stressing over statistical inevitabilities)
weary sedge
Really fun script :3
crisp parrot
Really fun script :3
yippee!!!
the 2.3 curse continues
good team nerfed. good team wins everytime as retribution
from 52% win rate to 70% yippee
forest tusk
Played 2 games of this tonight. 1st the Psycho bluffed Damsel, got the Huntsman to pick them and claimed to have changed. On the same night (night 2) the Imp was Snake Charmed. After being outed by the former imp, the Psychopath killed the Huntsman, then was immediately Alsaahir guessed for a good win.
The Princess also got the Psychopath on the block day 1, but they lifted onto the princess 😭
2nd game. Intended to Puzzle-drunk the Shugenja or Pixie but then accidentally gave them both good info before remembering to put down a drunk reminder 🤦♂️. Drunked the Engineer instead who made a Boomdandy then asked to be puzzle-guessed when the Organ Grinder was still active. The Puzzlemaster waited though and was killed that night. Pixie and Cannibal both died before getting any abilities/info. Banshee was killed on the final night.
brazen mountain
Yippee an evil win delta is popping off
crisp parrot
EVIL WIN 1 MINION
LETS GOOOO
the curse has been lifted
AND SHUGENJA WAS IN THE BAG
YIPPEEEE
calm patio
EVIL WIN!!!!
crisp parrot
just 1 more evil win in the next 4 games and I will NOT crash out any longer
REGRESSION TOWARDS THE MEAN BE REAL
brazen mountain
omw to build a shab/psycho/mutant/general/pixie/shug/banshee bag
tall totem
AND SHUGENJA WAS IN THE BAG
It was also all the way across the grim from the evil team
crisp parrot
~~It was also all the way across the grim from the evil team~~
GOOD
ancient iron
Why no alchemist?
crisp parrot
awful on this script
ancient iron
How come?
crisp parrot
boom is a bad alchemist ability, psychopath is wildly imbalanced even with prompting, and the OG-jinx isn't really what I want for this script
the only fun alchemist ability thats remotely balanced is Wizard
keen gulch
PD-Wizard is like alch-wizard if you're cool
crisp parrot
Alchemist is silly here, and whilst this script environment lends itself to silly moments, they are typically emergent
ancient iron
I would give good a more favorable final 3 if town chose to exe alch boomdandy
crisp parrot
its still a poor alchemist ability
with engineer as well, you get confirmed by any Engineer changes of the Minions if they change to a character you werent
keen gulch
no
alch isnt not-in-play anymore
ohhh i see
nvm you're right
i see what you're saying
crisp parrot
yippee
ancient iron
Yea nvm didnt see engineer
crisp parrot
but yeah Alchemist is spicy but its not a great fit here. A nuanced aspect of the script is that good tends to want to scheme around evil as their plans are easily thwarted by evil
keen gulch
engineer is like the focal character of the script lol
crisp parrot
Alchemist gives too much power to the good team to subvert evil
keen gulch
oh delta are you cool with dms i have some tpot-adjacent questions but dont want to flood a channel
crisp parrot
yeah go ahead
ancient iron
Cool script though 😎👍
keen gulch
whats with the banshee has ability token? starting wizard wished for the demon to have the banshee ability?
leaden escarp
yea they wished for boffin banshee
the shug learned that the wizard had given the demon a boffin ability
keen gulch
neat
lime coyote
d2 good win + d4 good win
voice games, experienced players
(game 2 had sentinel i just forgot it when i cleared characters)
keen gulch
waiter! waiter! another tpot good win please!
lime coyote
ik the winrate is good favoured rn but the games were fun & they felt balanced so idk if there's an issue
keen gulch
ehhh i dont put any stock in the winrate being skewed right now
the sample size is far too small to draw conclusions
tall totem
ik the winrate is good favoured rn but the games were fun & they felt balanced s...
This has been the review for pretty much every good win
Afaik
Which is a good sign
lime coyote
yeah
keen gulch
i feel like the balance of this script is kind of “good will do very well vs evils who aren’t super deliberate with how they use their abilities”?
if that makes sense
psycho in particular feels like it has some very major considerations here (princess, engi, etc) that players might not necessarily be thinking about when they pull the token especially if it’s their first game of tpot
crisp parrot
Which is a good sign
I'm still going to explode when I see good wins 😭
crisp parrot
i feel like the balance of this script is kind of “good will do very well vs evi...
This is very much true. I have seen wizard wishes that have done nothing but lose evil the game, the Organ Grinder not use it on final day or not use it at all, the Psychopath who swings D1 into the roughest punish of all time, and Boomdandies who honestly can do whatever they're chill
Psychopath is very cerebral here, D1 swinging can be great but you need to be very sure of your grim read (and on D1 that's crazy)
thank you for the specific feedback Pebbles & Coral that TPOT good wins still feel balanced and fun 🫡
rancid mason
starting shab
engie made an imp d2
evil win (hidden pyscho killed on f3)
d2 fish info was "tell Izzy to keep claiming what they were claiming" because izzy was damsel claiming general
PD gave a wizard wish but the wizard just wished for the OG to be in play for 2 more days after the starpass
so it essentially gave me the OG ability
crisp parrot
evil win (hidden pyscho killed on f3)
PEAK!!
calm patio
PD gave a wizard wish but the wizard just wished for the OG to be in play for 2 ...
holy peak?
crisp parrot
keen gulch
https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/795955991895998494/1419719266248...
to any potential players who were interested but couldn’t make the time work: amy fucked it (blame her) and set it for 5 hours before the actual time, it’s ACTUALLY happening at <t:1759078800:f>
keen gulch
day 1 lmao
keen gulch
another good win
waiter! waiter!
crisp parrot
i'm about to do math to see if this is statistically significant
bc i'm CRASHING OUT
tbf every good win I have seen for the past 4-5 games or so is "catastrophic bullshit happens that isn't really something either team could control"
empty oxide
For info - I've been made aware that the script image currently isn't viewable in the UK! Sure do feel safer online now. You may need to host it elsewhere!
kind flicker
They should consider living somewhere else /j
empty oxide
entirely valid
raw anvil
@crisp parrot ‼️
crisp parrot
For info - I've been made aware that the script image currently isn't viewable i...
what??? 😭
its fine for me the heck
im in the uk!
empty oxide
Might be cached?
empty oxide
I tend to host stuff on neocities!
empty oxide
god bless the city
crisp parrot
god bless the city
also if you ran/played any games and have the grims on hand could I see them 
for spreadsheet purposes
empty oxide
No grimshot yet - I actually became aware of it because it's due to be played on Arif's stream tomorrow! Someone in the stream group was looking at the JSON and went "oh the image is broken," and I thought "oh there's a thread in the Unofficial for this one, I'll let Delta know!"
crisp parrot
ah yes Arif already let me know about that! I'll try to tune in but irl clocktower group tomorrow so I wont see much (but I'll watch the vod!)
bright wadi
Spoilers
|| It was a great game ||
keen gulch
groundshattering spoiler
calm karma
15 player evil win..
Started with shab, psycho, boom, and wizard (wished to become wraith). N2 shab killed engineer, n3 engineer resurrected, n4 engineer changed to fang gu. Psycho outed but never killed and died by execution. Boomdandy played outed evil (guessed the damsel's neighbor immediately) and was executed right after the fang gu jumped. The boom survivors were the 2 starting outsiders and the snake charmer and town chose wrong.
tall totem
TPOT evil win is real?
crisp parrot
we're so fucking back
quasi sand
we're so fucking back
crisp parrot
the torment nexus only makes you think you escaped
undone birch
Just say to use the old jinxes!!
crisp parrot
Just say to use the old jinxes!!
the issue is intro overhead. i don't want to do the atheist "i will run this like an actual game and you will need to work to win in an Atheist game" spiel and then also "also its the old jinxes"
online this is very annoying
in person its ok
i do not think "just use the old jinxes" holds well online where overtime "its the old jinxes" will become extremely unaccessible
brazen mountain
the issue is intro overhead. i don't want to do the atheist "i will run this lik...
tpot atheist script real
crisp parrot
well this was about star's edge i think smh
crisp parrot
yeah and i want my scripts to be largely plug and play so that its very ST+Player accessible, so Star's Edge (if it breaks) would be very sad for me
calm karma
What new jinxes affect this script?
crisp parrot
Pd-boom is an additive change as Jams has said although the timing needs to be fudged, you can run PD-Boom as it was with the new jinx
Whilst still letting evil bluff becoming a Boomdandy or good players becoming a Boomdandy
calm karma
Oh I hated the old PD boom jinx so thats fine
raw anvil
yooooooooooooooooooo
keen gulch
yoooo
brave terrace
I saw that game live! It was insanity
crisp parrot
It was pretty close, evil just lost from good having too much time
The Shab was sinking hoping for a closer which was cool but it unfortunately was a day too late
rancid mason
PUZZLEDRUNK PLAGUE DOCTOR!
why
crisp parrot
yeah but the main issue with hinting evils had the hermit ability was a few had outed outsider and there was Alsaahir
so it was just best to hint "these players have the hermit ability. curious."
calm patio
diabolical behaviour
shout out to two plague doctor abilities
also insane shugenja placement
forest field
@crisp parrot hi delta i ran tpot
12 player evil win, sentinel -1 w/ fang gu
brave terrace
Delta, something tells me the good win streak was a statistical anomaly
forest field
after 3 instances of the barber ability triggering youd think that good had no chance, quite wrong actually
rancid mason
after 3 instances of the barber ability triggering youd think that good had no c...
yeah i thought we were cooked but we did kinda well sorta
I will take responsibility for telling the demon “you’re the last good player alive” in final three
crisp parrot
Delta, something tells me the good win streak was a statistical anomaly
who could possibly say
north wolf
I'm running this script in longtext, longtexters please check it out if you're interested! https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1427071794334142525
crisp parrot
I'm running this script in longtext, longtexters please check it out if you're i...
i'll be very interested to see how this functions in longtext
crisp parrot
this is the winrates without the anomalous streak of good wins
this is the winrates with
the current win rate for the local version has had a (assuming 50% probability for either team to win) 6.2% chance of happening (which is not statistically significant with a 0.05 p-value!) and the global version has this as a 10.8% chance of happening
there's a bunch of nuances to this
this wont be correct exactly due to many games not actually being a coin flip simulator and instead extremely complex to run and ST agency can end up favouring one team severely
bag building is a big reason for good slanted wins imo
boreal marlin
i ran this a month ago with 4 evil wins and 2 good but too lazy to report more
analog bloom
Lol
brazen mountain
I'll go rack Shab psycho 7p until morale improves
crisp parrot
9p games also are the inverse problem where good eats shit and dies
pastel condor
7p Shabaloth + Psycho will continue until morale improves
crisp parrot
if you remove all 7p games the winrate becomes 54% for the script over 57 games and 56% over 2.3
before it was 59% and 64% respectivelyu
why are 7p games so good favoured 😭
there are 7p shab games good won
pastel condor
How are you running the new Plague Doctor + Boomdandy jinx?
crisp parrot
you can fudge the timing to create a boom on the PD bc its fun according to Jams
but TPOT likes nonsense like a good player becoming a boomdandy anyways so you can go crazy
keen gulch
now that psycho-lm are jinxed, would you consider lm over imp here?
crisp parrot
probably not
brave terrace
It seems too optimal for the Engineer to remove LM from play to me.
Especially since it can deny the new demon bluffs.
pastel condor
Especially if it replaces Imp, you can just turn any loud minion into a Boom and not care about it for the rest of the game. The threat of an Imp jump to a minion is part of what makes this dynamic so cool
keen gulch
Especially if it replaces Imp, you can just turn any loud minion into a Boom and...
the boom is still a possible demon candidate with LM
even more than with imp
pastel condor
That's true oops, ignore my previous statement 😛
keen gulch
probably not
this isn’t like. a hill i intend to die on but i’d be interested in hearing your reasoning
i can’t speak to imp’s actual strength (or lack thereof) in practice here but it still feels super awkward to me
crisp parrot
-lil monsta is weird with alsaahir
-the demon mobility encourages good to routinely exe the Psycho
-the optimal play by engie is "no lil monsta" due to the insane mobility
-in a lil monsta game at base 3 minions, the Engineer has no impact if they change Minions.
-in a bag with no engie but a lil monsta, the game is fairly evil sided and whilst I joke about TPOTs massive good win streak, its broadly balanced if you remove anomalous data
-snake charmer becomes too weak and weird
the script would need
-no alsaahir
-no snake charmer
-1 less outsider, 1 extra minion (when very few Minions work on TPOT)
brazen mountain
TPI give us skorn when
analog bloom
@crisp parrot I’m running this now finally
rancid mason
engie made an imp again?
analog bloom
Yeah but it was already an imp so nothing happened
Second game done: I won as Shab who won roshambo
End game was a little feels bad
serene crystalBOT
Set a reminder in 10 hours from now (<t:1761228297:f>)
View reminders with the reminders command
analog bloom
wizard
will explain tomorrow but tldr I neighboured the shugenja
begged wizard to get me out
this dude is a genius
north wolf
longtext evil win, that ending grim is from the start of day 2 but the Canni was Psycho killed then the Plague Doctor executed and evil won after the ending Wizard was killed over the Imp and Engineer after the PD-Boom
also the PD won too because every good player had the Poli ability (but didn't know)
serene crystalBOT
Reminder for @analog bloom
analog bloom
yeah okay let’s get into it
analog bloom
Update: f3 damsel guess
I’m running this game. Engineer makes an Imp (there already was one). Wizard wishes during Minion info “I wish that when 5 or less players are alive, the Storyteller announces that ‘the Wizard’s wish has been granted’, even if I am dead”. Happily granted that one. General learns neutral. Psychopath day one kills the Alsaahir. The Psychopath is executed but survives.
Night 2, the Banshee dies. Everyone learns this. Very hype. General learns good for this reason. Psychopath kills Huntsman I believe. Never got to use the ability. Plague Doctor was executed. I wanted so badly to give myself Psychopath but for game balance I gave myself Organ Grinder (harpy token was used for the organ grinder’s about to die. I couldn’t find the right one).
Night 3. Imp kills Wizard (very fun). General learns evil is winning now, as there’s an extra minion ability, a socially trusted dead Minion, and a living Damsel. Psycho kills Engineer. They’re down to f5. The only viable execution today is the Psychopath, so they nominate them. I should have OG drunked myself but I let it happen for funsies. Psycho was executed and lost roshambo to the Banshee. town was very happy about that
Night 4. Imp kills General. Final 3 is Savant, Damsel, Imp. I really struggled to run Savant here. Final day info was “<Damsel player> is the Demon” or “<Damsel player> is the Damsel”. Savant caught on but so did the Psychopath, who damsel guessed and won
I don’t have a picture of the second Grimoire but I’ll detail it as best I can
rancid mason
how did people react to the wizard announcement
analog bloom
ooh good question
I announced it right before I announced the organ grinder
day 1 savant said a wish was made (true) so they thought that one was false
I don’t think it had as much impact as the next game
crisp parrot
also the PD won too because every good player had the Poli ability (but didn't k...
ABSOLUTE CINEMA!!!!!!
crisp parrot
I’m running this game. Engineer makes an Imp (there already was one). Wizard wis...
ABSOLUTE CINEMA!!!!!
analog bloom
I’m playing this one. Starting from me, going clockwise, we had:
Shabaloth (me), Banshee, Boomdandy, General, update i do remember he was pixie snake charmer (I don’t remember what mizu was), Wizard, Snake Charmer, ???, Princess, Shugenja. Bluffs were Alsaahir, Savant, Plague Doctor.
Shugenja gets me of course. I’m fucked and begging and pleading for my Wizard to bail me out. I love both my Minion players these guys are so clutch. On day 1 the Princess executes the Shugenja instead of me (I bluffed alsaahir and the shugenja wanted me to live longer). I can’t kill that night which sucks.
Day 2 my goat wizard wishes that if I’m executed, I play roshambo like a Psychopath (he wished for it to only happen on day 2, but the ST misheard and just made it the first time I was executed). We execute the banshee. I kill the Princess and the ??? (I feel so bad I don’t remember which character this was. I’m like 90% sure it was Mutant)
Day 3, I’m deliberately making myself socially suspicious. I’m trying to bluff Boomdandy to make players scared of executing me (bragging that I’ve never lost as Boomdandy, always been detonated, etc.) and just saying “surprise” with a smile sometimes. We talked a lot about the psychopath’s design and how roshambo is skill based before this game started so I had fun dropping clues. The plan was for the Wizard to execute me and force myself to win roshambo, but the General nominated me first. Now, I love being a socially outed evil (by choice, I hate being “solved” as evil). Everyone else here is in my fucking domain and I know it. The general executes me and the ST makes them play roshambo. I say “I’m going rock”, because I know it’ll psych them out and they’ll think I’m double bluffing (mizu was also influencing the general’s decision so I was trying to get to him more than anyone). They went paper, but I did too.
Day 4, I sink on the Princess (because I cannot ever afford to have another princess night) and the general. The snake charmer was supposed to choose me by this point but they got scared). The dead princess jokingly asks me if I can kill them again, so I claim psycho and “kill” her (nothing happens ofc, but it justifies me not going for a real kill later. I also bluffed that mathematically I don’t need to). The Boomdandy is double claiming snake charmer and isn’t being exed most likely, but it was a pain. we’re on final 5, and they execute the Wizard.
Night 5, the ST in hindsight absolutely should have revived a player for a fun final 3, but they didn’t so evil won. not a huge deal but good lesson learned I think
rancid mason
were there any clues to the wiz wish
analog bloom
oh my god I totally forgot yeah
uh
mizu (the last demon frame) learned a grammatically ambiguous “the psychopath is the wizard wish” or something along those lines
multiple different conversations suggested the exact wish and I was sweating a little
OH one more tiny in person thing
the night after this I woke up to kill and I stood up to go point at the General for clarity
but I sat down in the wrong seat
so I made a big fuss about ‘wanting to check my phone’ in the night so I could sit in the right seat again in case the Banshee called me out for being closer to him
raw anvil
omg the evil team comeback
tall totem
Good win featuring monk saving the banshee, Shabaloth sinking on the outed damsel two nights in a row, and minion damsel guessing correctly but not winning because they had already guessed
Town missed two executions bc of OG
rancid mason
evil d2 boomdandy win!
f3 was the Fang Gu, the barber and the monk
the SC last second yelled "Im the Snake Charmer I picked glowbean!" when they in fact they did not pick glowbean (they forgor)
jagged viper
This looks really cool. 2.3 is the latest version if I'm not mistaken. Do tell if u plan to update the fancy looking script with the updated boomdandy jinx later, I'ma print this out to try with my group
crisp parrot
This looks really cool. 2.3 is the latest version if I'm not mistaken. Do tell i...
i'll get on that
i still need to write the HTR for this script too (it'd be relatively bitesized tbf but still)
jagged viper
i still need to write the HTR for this script too (it'd be relatively bitesized ...
Htr?
raw anvil
how to run
crisp parrot
also a comment on the botc scripts page i saw whilst updating the pdf
you heard it here
i'm goated
brazen mountain
you are!!
keen gulch
i still need to write the HTR for this script too (it'd be relatively bitesized ...
what is there other than “rarely shab rez”
ig bagbuilding generally
crisp parrot
wizard & bag building
keen gulch
what’s special about wizard here
crisp parrot
mostly just what wishes are powerful and might need costing
droison for example is very powerful on TPOT
keen gulch
icic
rancid mason
how much of a cost do you think a wizard wishing for the SW ability needs
crisp parrot
how much of a cost do you think a wizard wishing for the SW ability needs
depends on when
i think not that much tbh
it fucks over precisely the alsaahir who can't get a correct guess ever anymore
part of the advantage of the sw wish is that its quiet
so i'm hesitant to clue it
rancid mason
i’m thinking at worst you just announced that a wizard wish was made the next day
brisk radish
i’m thinking at worst you just announced that a wizard wish was made the next da...
WIDOW PING BABY LETS FUCKING GOOOOO
brave terrace
i'd like to announce that TPOT is the first script where Boomdandy helps evil wi...
Very quiet but still effective incorrect buzzer
crisp parrot
not effective enough
pastel condor
Changing the demon is a bad strat apparently
crisp parrot
yeah
changing it to Imp hurts good's chances of winning
engineer here is actually measuring weak
no one thought they'd see the day
brave terrace
You mean the white whale of scriptwriting has finally been slain?
Avast mateys! We sail for harbor!
crisp parrot
it may be contestable about boomdandy
but this is the first script where engineer is balanced
(its still strong its just that it requires repeat play to take advantage of, my group uses engie quite well, YSK engies tend to measure as blank tokens on TPOT)
pastel condor
Yeah I definitely consider TPOT to be the Engineer homescript
brave terrace
but this is the first script where engineer is balanced
Well, TMO, but that script was more nobody is balanced so everyone is.
TPOT is far superior.
crisp parrot
and i'd argue still has some engineer flaws tbf so maybe it should be "but this is the first script where engineer is balanced without centralised choices"
TMO engies don't ever want a pit hag around
they just revert your choice, unless its about the demon
brave terrace
I just want to be a stickler, sorry.
crisp parrot
I just want to be a stickler, sorry.
nah its fine dw lol
the reasn changing the Demon into Imp tends to hurt good is not bc Imp is super strong (its the weakest demon), but because Engineers who choose Imp do it Night 1 where the choice basically means that the bag is forced to be an Imp bag
Whereas Engineer's strength lies in waiting for the opportunity to make evil's life very hard
brave terrace
Imps not a slouch either.
brave terrace
Whereas Engineer's strength lies in waiting for the opportunity to make evil's l...
Of course, the arif game has kinda proven that doesn't always work.
crisp parrot
Imps not a slouch either.
It tends to force good to consider really annoying worlds even more which is another reason it hurts good
crisp parrot
Of course, the arif game has kinda proven that doesn't always work.
oh well yeah ofc, making a shab on 5 is crazy
very fun though
in the 2nd Arif game, Aviendha who played the Engineer did a really good job with it
she watched for what she thought evil was doing and waited to undermine them
she still chose Psycho + Wizard for fun but intentionally locked out an OG because her double claim was the OG and she correctly identified the OG was intending to use their ability to bluff Engineer
brave terrace
Wonder where that first game went.
Wait that was a completely different game.
Goblin isn't on TPOT, what script was that?
crisp parrot
Goblin isn't on TPOT, what script was that?
oh you must be thinking of Switchcraft
i know a few people who like Switchcraft but I personally don't for a number of reasons, but I like it for Hatter + Engineer having some interesting tension
I have been reconsidering Chaos Hatter TPOT because Barber has the same issue as Hatter with Shab, but Barber requiring a swap to occur for the problem to occur instead of just being able to swap Demon types into Shab to cause it makes it slightly less awful there
brave terrace
I forgot that script existed
keen gulch
i'd like to announce that TPOT is the first script where Boomdandy helps evil wi...
i'd like to announce that TPOT is the first script where Boomdandy helps evil win fify
raw anvil
rancid mason
should TPOT use the old or new boomdandy pd jinx
analog bloom
Technically both work
Delta has said before the script basically relies on the old jinx existing
But the new jinx according to jams can be exploited to effectively work the exact same way
raw anvil
Delta has said before the script basically relies on the old jinx existing
wrong script
this is TPOT
not Star's Edge
analog bloom
No this script also really wants the old jinx
analog bloom
But the new jinx according to jams can be exploited to effectively work the exac...
Because this works, delta doesn’t have to make drastic changes
flint flint
By just turning the PD into the boomdandy in the moment of execution?
analog bloom
Yes
flint flint
Good to know
crisp parrot
No this script also really wants the old jinx
no
this is star's edge you're referring to
TPOT was agnostic on this jinx not working that way
pastel condor
In these playtests, how did Alsaahir feel? Because with both Imp and Fang Gu being able to jump and messing with the guess Alsa has to make, I figure it'd be quite weak
crisp parrot
alsaahir has been around for like 40 games now and i think it feels fun
latent crescent
If you run the new PD/Boomdandy jinx and turn another player into the Boomdandy, instead of just exploding right away, can't the Engineer create a good Psychopath/Wizard?
crisp parrot
holy shit peak
you'd need to choose an extra minion to change both characters, so the ST can always guarantee the good minion doesn't become a Psychopath
so you can get a good wizard
which is fun and whimsical
rancid mason
is that the best use of an outsider ability tho
keen gulch
let the player wish but cost it particularly highly ig
crisp parrot
tbc this also requires there to be an unspent OPG ability which then gets used to do exactly this
i'm ok with a townsfolk ability getting a good wizard from an outsider ability hurting good
analog bloom
TPOT was agnostic on this jinx not working that way
Oops
Me when I spread misinformation my bad
forest tusk
Played 2 games of TPOT the other night, both with N1 Snake Charmings...
In game 1, the former Demon outed the Minions (after convincing the Psycho not to swing) and the OG was executed. The Engineer (me) made the Shab into an Imp, then the Damsel outed to the new Demon D2, and the new Demon outed, got the Minions to guess and won.
In game 2, we once again had a Shab that was made an Imp N2 after the Snake Charming N1. The Alsaahir guessed correctly on day 3 with the info the former Demon outed on D2.
crisp parrot
Played 2 games of TPOT the other night, both with N1 Snake Charmings...
In game...
game 1 had a killer engineer play, love that. sad it didnt pay off
2 d2 reracks 😅 unfortunate
hope you guys had fun though!
monk mvp 2nd game for protecting that Alsaahir
crisp parrot
3 games off from 50/50 win rate 😎
4 games off from 50/50 win rate over tpot history
crisp parrot
Played 2 games of TPOT the other night, both with N1 Snake Charmings...
In game...
also congrats to the engineer who is the first engineer on v2.3 who meaningfully changed the Demon to Imp and didn't lose
crisp parrot
the Zenomancer is a good Loric for The Passage of Time
I'd still recommend the base experience but Zenomancer gels well
raw anvil
ARRRRRIGGGHTTTT, when are you running TPOT+Zenomancer 👀
crisp parrot
i'll schedule it
keen gulch
the Zenomancer is a good Loric for The Passage of Time
oh holy shit
crisp parrot
pastel condor
I hope the Wizard asked for all on-script minion abilities, or did you announce someone as Vizier?
crisp parrot
raw anvil
peak gaming
next osprey
regular game of clocktower
crimson lark
normal
crisp parrot
crisp parrot
raw anvil
aw rip the d1 damsel guess game isn't here :(
nvm it is
my zenomancer goal was gluing my eyes shut
quasi sand
what.... happeneed here
quasi sand
figure it out, bozo
zenomancer goal?
raw anvil
wdym?
brave terrace
I'm guessing Wizard shenanigans.
next osprey
no wizard in that game
crimson lark
just a normal game of clocktower
crisp parrot
I'm guessing Wizard shenanigans.
Wizard was not in the game at any point
pastel condor
Wizard was not in the game at any point
Okay now I'm intrigued
keen gulch
||bhamber starting barber
bhamber swapped with irish (starting OG)
irish swapped with piglix (starting pixie)
then foxx swapped with tan||
?
crisp parrot
||bhamber starting barber
bhamber swapped with irish (starting OG)
irish swapped...
Basically yeah
crimson lark
||bhamber starting barber
bhamber swapped with irish (starting OG)
irish swapped...
in fact not basically yeah exactly yeah
crisp parrot
well you were the starting Psycho so there was a miss smh
keen gulch
holy shit 18p
dim gorge
it was 19p but Dell traveled out
rancid mason
good win
starting grim
one day the engie wont make an imp
well actually
the engie made a wizard and a OG
the cannibal engie made an imp
Fista's wizard wish was "The first good player to be mad that I'm evil each day is witch cursed. This deactivates when 4 are alive"
which is really fun
unfortunately they were built as good for the first half of the game and then the people cursed never nominated
comi's wish was just that peach had the pyscho ability because peach was doing joke pyscho kills every day
but unfortunately they stopped that day
very fun script as always
oh f3 was the banshee, general and imp
dim gorge
shab psycho without a sentinel-1 is brave
rancid mason
shab psycho without a sentinel-1 is brave
yeah in retrospect not the greatest idea but also Engineer Always Makes Imp so i wasn't worried
crisp parrot
yeah in retrospect not the greatest idea but also Engineer Always Makes Imp so i...
this is the 3rd time it seems to have actually helped their team
dim gorge
soon
crisp parrot
the streak returns
next osprey
lol
little river
Livetext, Imp Win
- Evil Gangster between Boomdandy and Alsa, gangsta'd Boomdandy D1
- Damsel outed to the Gangster D1, Gangster didnt manage to contact Evil but did out it publically before travelling out
- Huntsman exed D1, Canni-Hunt guessed incorrectly
- Damsel exed D2, Canni-Damsel got killed the following night
- Boomdandy never guessed the Damsel
- on f4, there were 4 votes on the Imp which got lifted with 5 votes on the Shug, and gg
crimson lark
that seems like quite the game to watch
weary sedge
I was so sure the game was ending in a damsel guess and then it just never happened 
crimson lark
(refering to tpot)
crimson lark
evil win
rancid mason
engineer that DIDNT make an imp???
crimson lark
nah made og wizard n2 after psycho killed
brisk radish
@crisp parrot people are playing this script on the app
crisp parrot
wow this looks like a group completely separated from botcu, I don't recognise any names in the people who played
successful script!!
brisk radish
what are the winrates currently
calm patio
Good win, Wizard wish backfired
many such cases
crisp parrot
what are the winrates currently
57% good win rate
52% good win rate if you remove all 7p games
and here's the graphs
rancid mason
good win
wizard wished for the demon to kill on the princess night
clue was the wizard token was in the center of the town square
surprisingly town solved the wizard wish
tall totem
That’s such a good wish
flint flint
That's a really fun clue tbh
rancid mason
That’s such a good wish
it ended up almost being a thrall since town built the princess as puzzledrunk and therefore didnt build the SC who picked all alive players but the demon as being puzzledrunk
but still a fun wish i agree
crimson lark
starting wizard organgrinder
keen gulch
it ended up almost being a thrall since town built the princess as puzzledrunk a...
MANY SUCH CASES
brisk radish
Pulled an "Wizard Imp win" out of my ass(9p, First wish was for "Hermit in play, announced to everyone", then after the hermit died, "Make a good boomdandy" which framed the player that was the good boomdandy)
brisk radish
Good win
brisk radish
Pulled an "Wizard Imp win" out of my ass(9p, First wish was for "Hermit in play,...
this was due to the plague doctor making OG
crimson lark
has an engineer ever made a shab
crisp parrot
yes
it locks the Demon down
info gets outdated by Fang Gu, and Imp is annoying for dilemmas
Shab has been made 6 times
(from a different Demon ofc)
it was made more back when FT was here instead of Alsaahir
crimson lark
evil won
almost had a d1 alsaahir win
starting organ grinder boomdandy
crisp parrot
the coveted tpot evil win
rancid mason
d1 princess nom on the boomdandy
evil won in a completely arbitrary f3 of general banshee shab
game 2
good win but
The wizard wished for all towns folk to have their abilities swapped clockwise to the right by one, but for them to keep seeing the same token they had. The clue (that definitely was intentional and not crazy coincidence) was that I physically changed grims to a different link. The starting fisherman who now has the snake charmer ability then immediately picked the demon, who I told was now the fisherman
here’s the roles that everyone actually had, despite what they saw
oh and the engie still made an imp n1
despite it being starting imp
rancid mason
oops all engineers
leaden escarp
it can
crisp parrot
i need to explain this later
analog bloom
Oh what the fuck is this
crisp parrot
its not as bad as it looks
brisk radish
i need to explain this later
sounds about right
dude last time I played TPoT I made a hermit
We forgot to go for the damsel win but that would be cringe yknow
lime coyote
rancid mason
what did the engineer make
rancid mason
i need to explain this later
is the wish that when you die you become a banshee
lime coyote
what did the engineer make
N3 
->
keen gulch
is the wish that when you die you become a banshee
that doesn’t explain the fourth evil
rancid mason
oh
brisk radish
yall fang gu doesn't jump twice
crisp parrot
snake charmer executed d1
cannibal (pixie confirmed) snake charmed Demon
demon keeps wizard in dark bc they havent wished yet to kill demon bc they know the cannibal
good all trusts the new demon so ties
fang gu jumps and hasnt played in a year so thinks she became good and outs as fang gu to old demon
wizard wishes for old demon to become evil again
cost was: all dead players awaken as the Banshee. Evil Banshees don't count.
pure verge
script spotted being played at Qatar
frozen ore
In a 10p game here as Engineer, why would I ever not make the demon a Fang Gu N1?
dim gorge
In a 10p game here as Engineer, why would I ever not make the demon a Fang Gu N1...
There's a Sentinel on-script — in a b0 game with an Engineer, it's likely that there's an Outsider
(also because the Sentinel is useful to balance bags — it's not unusual for a weak evil team to be propped up by an extra Outsider, e,g, Imp/Psychopath)
relevant snippet from the database blurb
Sentinel with Fang Gu is peculiar, so I recommend not adding an outsider very often. If its your groups first game with an Imp/Engineer in Base 0, I do suggest adding 1 outsider, but the mere threat should suffice in order to scare the Engineer into not just auto-making a Fang Gu. (+ Wizard helps with that)
Gotcha. What's the purpose of Shugenja?
dim gorge
I remember it being a relatively recent add — it helps inform D1 executions a bit more and is a decently good bit of info that helped replace FT when that was still onscript
brazen mountain
gets the boomdandy exploded on day 1 
dim gorge
.
dim gorge
gets the boomdandy exploded on day 1 <:vatisotrue:1367202725305127015>
nah that's the princess
wet star
if you trust the princess you also might not actually have to point if theres a splosion
meager pivot
Thatd only happen if princess survives the boom
At which point you have a 50/50 anyway
crisp parrot
not really bc that Princess is gonna be suspected 😭
meager pivot
Princess executes dandy
- trust the princess : you have a 50/50, or you can skip the boom and 50/50 tomorrow
- dont trust the princess : 1/3 in the next 10s
- princess blew up : still a 1/3 today have fun
mighty vine
We had an evil win the other day. The wizard wished for there to be 3 sober & healthy good snakecharmers n1 which was quite goodsided
The organ grinder meant no-one was executed all game (evil managed to tie it a bunch)
Then on like day 4, the starting demon outs the minions and says they got snake charmed
We think town has who we think is a good starting snarmer candidate on the block
Then, the wizard successfully guesses the damsel
no executions all game
brave terrace
What demon was in play?
mighty vine
Imp iirc
brave owl
We played this and Shab seems quite out of place. Is the shab just meant to play a hide and seek game while using psycho and wizard powers to help it get out of bad spots?
crisp parrot
shab wins the game through brute force
pure verge
Couldnt have said it better.
crisp parrot
regurgitates should be fairly rare (never more than once)
brave owl
If you want to hide early game, you're forced to sink though no? Is there any incentives to not sink 1 kill.
crisp parrot
If you want to hide early game, you're forced to sink though no? Is there any in...
the benefit of framing Imp/Fang Gu is less useful here. The mobility from these Demons is to escape a bad situation, rather than confusing worlds (although Imp can do that)
Shab's main power here is brute strength for no escape hatch
brave owl
Engineer bluff?
and by this you mean the Shab double killing early, to then move on to 1 KPN?
wet star
I think they mean the other way
1kpn early
Then claim to engi a shab and go back to 2kpn
brave owl
Yeah but an engineer would never really want to create a shab.
There's not enough N2+ info role to really justify ever picking the shab and doubling the tempo.
Oops. wrote that wrong.
What I meant is there doesn't seem to be enough information on this script that choosing a shab is the right play.
Town can't keep up with the increased kill tempo.
wet star
True. If there's a psycho just go imp. Then you already know who to kill
crisp parrot
it locks the Demon in place so there's no escape hatch if you think you have the evil team on the ropes
there's been a good number of times this was effective (particularly in Alsaahir and Snake Charmer bags)
mighty vine
We had an evil win the other day. The wizard wished for there to be 3 sober & he...
I forgot to say, the alsaahir nearly guessed the evil team exactly (1 minion off in 3 players) on like day 3 of the game
little river
Boomdandy D1 kaboom, from baiting Princess food claiming Damsel to one person and General "eh im not great but im fine being food" to the Princess
Shug didnt out, wanted to be killbait
6 folks pointed to the Pixie-Savant who had mechanically and socially DC'd the Savant earlier in D1
brisk radish
good win
rancid mason
what did engie make?
brisk radish
"All Townsfolk gain the Plague Doctor ability in addition to their own."
Costs:
-All learn this
-The first ability hurts evil.
(I immediately psychopath killed the wizard)
and then the game was over because they executed the Shabaloth lol
little river
brisk radish
how'd the psycho and the savant die?
weary sedge
Savant was psycho killed and psycho was still alive
brisk radish
ah
brave owl
What’s the win rate of each demon do we know that?
pure verge
Fang Gu is the one who wins the least i think
brisk radish
wasn't it imp
rancid mason
well that’s just because engies always make a damn imp and then lose about it
cerulean stump
livetext evil win!
some game notes (if you don't want to read through the grim reveal):
the outed Puzzlemaster got jumped to in final 3
the Organ Grinder tried to frame the Mutant as the Organ Grinder as they were the day 1 execution, to moderate success
the General was doubly-confirmed as not the Demon both by Canni-SC and from the ending FG (starting PM) self-guessing
they did end up solving the correct puzzledrunk at the end, but that made the 50/50 of trying to find the Demon (the starting PM and the OG) worse since the SC's first pick was the OG
if they hadn't figured that out, Good might've won there interestingly enough
spring glen
Good win on day 2
Starting Imp Sentinel +1 changed to Fnag Gu n2
Banshee killed n2, Wizard wished during the night to gain the banshee ability and die instead
Fisherman advice was to "trust everything Skurtburt tells you"
Demon was bluffing General w/ evil is winning, leading to every living good player voting them even with Organ Grinder voting on!
rancid mason
nice fish advice for the wiz wish
rancid mason
Insane TPOT game
absolutely insane game
- STARTING 9P GAME
- Psycho kills PD d1 and gives the ST the wizard ability
- Engineer makes the Pyscho into the wizard, who wishes thet Mathilde (starting banshee) becomes the Saltshaker.
- I join the lobby d3, the ST asks if I want to join. I think they need a sub or something so I say sure, and the ST uses his wizard wish to add me as the Mutant.
- Final 3 were the Shugenja, FG (starting Barber) and the Saltshaker
- We almost solve but miss a FG jump and execute the shugenja but VERY fun game
(evil win)
crisp parrot
(evil win)
rancid mason
crimson lark
Does the saltshaker have an ability
rancid mason
uh i think the first time theyre nominated they throw salt at someone and that person dies
but i didnt fully hear the ability
crisp parrot
the Saltshaker was the 1st time they're executed, it passes to someone else
whatever passes to someone else means, who knows
rancid mason
oh ok
feral walrus
salut! played a few rounds of this today IRL. some small games, some bigger games, 8-12 players.
had a really good time playing so wanted to say thanks - it's really hard having that dynamic a minion/demon suite + engineer and for it to work so well :) esp the shabaloth which is soooooo good here. Princess also felt super strong in a way i am not used to which was very very fun to play with. we had several Certified Snake Charmer Moments but that is just the risk of it being on the script tbh. also kinda the SC's fault in all cases. but yeah! fun script. thanks for putting together
i was really hoping to run star's edge which i am just itching to play but group wasn't in the mood for atheist today. will hopefully grab'em soon
my fave moment was definitely being Cannibal who ate the engineer, made a fang gu, and somehow got confirmed out of this, despite the Wizard accusing me of being the starting snake charmer who picked them. very funny
rancid mason
Good win on f5 (basically final day though with the psycho alive
the FG was lifted by all evil players on the day before so the game was basically solved
but i felt like general had a use!!!! town was debating worlds where the lift was a fakeout so I used the "good is winning" to show them they were on the right track and they acted off of that
also general got evil, good, evil, good. very swingy game
The Puzzlemaster correctly puzzleguessed day 1 tho that was cool
(ending FG was starting Mutant)
rancid mason
Insane game (good win)
- starting wizard asked to swap roles with starting engie
- engie turned wizard wished that "the first time myself or a minion nominates the demon, they immediately swap roles and alignments". I granted it with only an announcement that a wish was made, because either the good wizard outs it or the old demon outs it
- engie turned wizard is executed, giving the cannibal a sober wizard wish
- cannibal wishes for the fools ability, which i confirm with the fish advice
- game progresses, pixie engie makes the OG into the boomdandy, FG jump, banshee kill, the OG turned boomdandy nominates the FG and swaps.
- On day 4(?), the engie turned wizard comes out with their wish, but leaves out the part where it says "the first time", so the now boomdandy nominates the FG, thinking it'll proc a boomdandy explosion, but instead it just kills them and ends the game with a good win
starting and ending grims below
oh sentinel -1
keen gulch
waiter! waiter!
brave terrace
The restaurant closed four hours ago.
brave terrace
Ohhh invalid this isnt stars edge
No, it actually started here
With the TPOT good winrate
pure verge
No way
brave terrace
I'm relatively new myself.
You've been on the server only eight months. Me about a year.
Just over a year and 3 months
But I'm not an old-timer by any stretch of the imagination.
brave terrace
I mean i am still a newby here
You're not that new. Quilava's newer than you, for example.
crimson lark
the thing that kenoboi forgot to mention is that the starting og turned boomdandy ending fang gu went up to me after the fang gu jump thinking i was the one who was jumped to and outs to me
crimson lark
demon told organ grinder they will probably attack me that night
so when the organ grinder saw their demon dead they apporached me
brave terrace
But then how'd they wind up the demon?
crimson lark
wizard wish swap
rancid mason
the thing that kenoboi forgot to mention is that the starting og turned boomdand...
oh right this was so insane my brain shut it out
yeah idk why they basically telegraphed all of their moves
pure verge
You're not that new. Quilava's newer than you, for example.
Nahhhhhhh
I am not that old to clocktower
brave terrace
You joined Jul 6, 2025
pure verge
I just happen to play a hell of a lot
brave terrace
Quilava Oct 18, 2025
brave terrace
Holy crap Wizkid joined five days before me.
weary sedge
Quilava has been on this server for ... a while. He just left and rejoined
brave terrace
Oh
Huh, that must be the case for vati too then
Because according to their profile, I somehow got here before vati.
Which doesn't seem possible.
pure verge
Words taken back
weary sedge
Yeah "5/21/2024" is when he sent the first message I can see from vati on this server
brave terrace
Yeah "5/21/2024" is when he sent the first message I can see from vati on this ...
You've been here since before August, right?
brave terrace
Yeah, my date's correct, oddly enough.
How many others is this the case for, I wonder.
brave terrace
Irish definitely, since it says March 7, 2025, and he was in my first game.
brisk radish
"June 17,2024"
weary sedge
Uhh anyways this is not about TPOT, sorry for the clutter Delta good job on making what's probably my favorite non-homebrew full. Big fan
brave terrace
Uhh anyways this is not about TPOT, sorry for the clutter Delta good job on maki...
Oh yeah right, this is a scriptwriting thread.
Sorry.
pure verge
We are actually wondering about the passage of actual time so its on point to the script's theme
🤪🤪🤪🤪
brave terrace
We are actually wondering about the passage of actual time so its on point to th...
Somebody pin this.
keen gulch
You're not that new. Quilava's newer than you, for example.
quil left the server for a bit
quil has been around for a looong time
oh ty waffles
crimson lark
Irish definitely, since it says March 7, 2025, and he was in my first game.
this is the date i joined
crimson lark
you probably thinking of someone else
brave terrace
Maybe my memory is just bad.
rancid mason
Waiter Waiter!
ending grim
the huntsman and damsel talked d1 by pure chance and just outted
also engineer made the exact minions that were already in the bag
it was a 50/50 between the SC and shabaloth except the Shab was bluffing alsaahir and alsaahir guessed the the SC as demon with the minions as minions when both minions were outted evil
so
unborn drift
100% huntsman rate ez
unborn drift
the huntsman and damsel talked d1 by pure chance and just outted
Pure skill
|| i was just going to ask like 6 people if they were the damsel on d1||
rancid mason
still insane luck ngl
unborn drift
i picked the first player on top of the voice list, happened to be the damsel
brisk radish
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
crisp parrot
pure verge
ON GOING GAME:
What the actual fuck
pure verge
Wizard wishes the game to become Legion.
Price: the Wizard became a good player.
I am allowed to say this because it is ST confirmed.
pure verge
No im not im spectating
brave terrace
I sure hope nobody finds the grim through this.
pure verge
Spanish Server? I dont know.
There is only one dude i now who its here and he isnt playing.
Evil Wins: Banshee saved the original demon before the wizard wish.
Holy Skill Issue 😭😭😭😭😭
crisp parrot
evil win on tpot required off script legion
brisk radish
Lmao
crimson lark
evil wins (not posting first game i failed princess test and fiddled)
engineer turned rae from wizard to boomdandy
awesome starting damsel
(i will say it was scuffed 2 players went afk)
but this worked to towns advantage cause they new that the starting damsel didnt wake
boomdandy explosion f3 of barber og and fg
rancid mason
Good win f3 i forgot to take a pic of the grim
kinda unremarkable game, starting imp psycho and the engie made imp
keen gulch
waiter!
rancid mason
good win
the banshee and SC made a plan to bait a damsel guess from the OG which worked, and then they saw the OG and FG colluding ahead of time so they killed the FG
crisp parrot
well this one just feels like good massively outplayed evil so well done to them
pure verge
First ever evil win i did wow
I am finally getting it
Fish advice its Tie! Tie! Tie!
As the boomdandy was about to be executed
rotund dagger
14p day 1 good win due to the wish "nominated player with least votes is exed" + evil miscommunication
brave owl
that's funny
rotund dagger
15p evil win
fang gu (unjumped)
wizard, psycho, organ
All evil final 4 with banshee where the wizard was exed
keen gulch
14p day 1 good win due to the wish "nominated player with least votes is exed" +...
one sentence horror story
