Brewulation & Boilers [β]

[ember cargo]

oh is it now??

[shut forum]

yes

[ember cargo]

I'm eating rn but if there's another game afterwards I'll join :)

[shut forum]

ever so unlikely but theres more next week!

join apoc for them <3

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/sweeping-charles-barkley-gif-18506616

[ember cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-rat-gif-12738335438094428487

[sage grove]

Since new characters aren't getting posted in here lately, we should keep it alive by talking about integrals again

[shut forum]

🔥

i agree

[blissful tapir]

Yeah like how integral Rose Bride is

[sage grove]

Area of a rose. Hey, it at least has the word "rose" in it

(credit to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_(mathematics)#Total_and_petal_areas)

[shut forum]

are both k and a parameters?

[frank brook]

K is the number of petals I’m pretty sure

and a is how long any given petal is

i think??

i haven’t thought about this stuff since precalculus

[shut forum]

ic

so rose bride... we could find the area of rose bride

[sage grove]

Correct about a, but k is weirder. It's the number of petals when it's odd, but when it's even, there are 2k petals. So for k=1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, the petal counts are 1, 4, 3, 8, 5, and 12

If you want a number of petals ≡ 2 (mod 4) then you have to settle for differently-shaped ones with non-integer values of k. For example, k=1.5 gives you 6 petals, and k=2.5 gives you 10, but both of those will overlap in a way that ones from integer k don't

[half vine]

can a Princess really be a Prince? Well, this brand new jinx can certainly help with that goal!

[half vine]

also Vamp/Alch is jinxed now, you can't do it, but we'll find the perfect jinx one day i hope

[blissful tapir]

yo very cool Rose Bride Princess jinx

[half vine]

yeah shoutouts to Paradox for coming up with it

and then shoutouts to me for rewording it

and shoutouts to leviathan for not being jinxed with princess

[ionic drift]

🏳️‍⚧️?

[half vine]

it's a Revolutionary Girl Utena reference, but trans people are awesome too! :D 👍

[blissful tapir]

saved yourself there bhamber

[fallow latch]

where new character

<:(

[blissful tapir]

nice hat

[fallow latch]

must be a clue to a hat based character

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-dramatic-yes-huh-gif-13185359

[half vine]

paradox stop leaking that Big Batch 2 has a character with a hat icon!!!!

oops i mean erm

that it may or may not have hats or something

[frank brook]

hatter confirmed bb2 release

i wonder what it does... i bet it's an outsider with an on-death effect

[haughty turret]

Nah surely it's a setup minion, daykilling minion, and hypermobile demon all at once

[grand steppe]

now patters gets to speculate that every message bhamber/paradox sends is secretly a clue

truly the tables have turned

[normal quest]

have you considered copying the mario jinx

no vampire ability, but vampire is in play

[half vine]

mmm i do need to take a more in depth look at the new alch jinxes yeah

forcing a vampire in play does seem pretty solid

[normal quest]

it’s interesting to me because they obviously out it pretty quickly so that the minions know that one is good….. but a good player can bluff being the alch-vamp

[elfin ginkgo]

Alchemist-Vampire: The Alchemist and the Vampire do not wake with the Demon.

[normal quest]

idk maybe not a great play pattern

[elfin ginkgo]

maybe?

[normal quest]

• that necessitates that the vampire is in play, which already feels strong
• the alchemist needs to also not have the vampire ability because otherwise both minions are good

[half vine]

hmmm potentially alch could scuff the vampire's bluffs?

but that has the same issue of necessating a vampire in play

[elfin ginkgo]

maybe

the Alch-Vampire causes the Vampire to not learn which Minion is good

[normal quest]

again that necessitates that the vampire is in play.
i think straight up "no vamp ability, the vamp is in play" is strong enough, and very possibly too strong

[normal quest]

^

[haughty turret]

tbh i think alch vamp knowing vamp is out of play might be better

bc vampire doesnt take up a minion slot

[normal quest]

but the good team wants the minions to think there's a vampire

[haughty turret]

ok dont claim it

[normal quest]

sure, but what does the alchemist get out of that

[haughty turret]

hmmm

[elfin ginkgo]

i mean it’s quite hard to do an Alch Vamp without confirming Vamp

Alchemist-Vampire: If an Alchemist has the Vampire’s ability, all Minions wake separately. If the Vampire is in play, they might be the good Minion.

[wintry saddle]

another idea for it could be:

Alchemist-Vampire: If the Alchemist has the Vampire's ability, a Minion was not added.

Makes it notably stronger but also a lot more hidden

[blissful tapir]

-1 Minion is quite the jinx though since it removes an evil Minion no?

[wintry saddle]

yup but it means evil has no real big reason to suspect being good

[finite blade]

until the Alch-Vamp comes out publicly

[wintry saddle]

well

its something mostly all good players would want to bluff tho

like there is such a high reward

which means there is little trust for it

[half vine]

can't believe we're gonna have to update this again smh my head 😔

[noble rampart]

I could see the argument for a jinx either way but I’m not familiar enough with the vampire to know if the intention is to fool them the whole game or briefly like a lunatic

I think if it’s briefly you’d need a jinx

Because the pseudo wraith would have a lot of information

[half vine]

If you don’t fool them the whole game they out the demon lol

[noble rampart]

If it’s for the full game though I imagine the intent is for the bhampire to run the risk of getting outed in exchange for an extra “evil” ? At which point I don’t think a jinx has to happen, especially because of how much it makes a real wraith bluffable

[half vine]

so it’s pretty important to keep the good minion thinking they’re evil

[noble rampart]

Yeah, that’s what I assumed but I hadn’t played with it so I wasn’t super certain and didn’t want to go on a tangent that didn’t make sense

Good to know my instinct were right 😌

In that case, would a jinx be needed? In the scenario they’re good it could just be an evil outing to try to distract good team and in the case of evil wraith it gives evil a tool to bluff good if caught and throw shade on a non demon candidate as a “demon”

[half vine]

the thing is a good wraith would figure it out n1, and would presumably get the demon executed d1. like yeah evil wraith can bluff it but you still always follow the word of the wraith imo

[wintry saddle]

knowing all town info?

Or waking with both the demon & vampire during the demon info step?

cause I imagine a jinx could read something like:

Vampire doesn't wake with the demon if there is a wraith in-play & the Wraith doesn't wake with the Vampire.

[noble rampart]

If there is a vampire, the wraith must close their eyes when the vampire learns the good minion (?)

[wintry saddle]

confirms that there is a vampire in play?

[normal quest]

maybe the wraith is explicitly not allowed to wake between when they sleep after minion info and when demon info is given until woken by the st, then the st always waits a little bit to bluff vamp being in play for demon info and then (with demon still awake) wakes the wraith up

[ionic drift]

"If the Wraith is good, the Vampire does not wake during Demon Info, & instead learns their info in private with the Storyteller during the day."

you could also just hate jinx, this feels like a reasonable context for one

[normal quest]

yeah especially since even if you fix vampire waking for info, it still has damsel syndrome where it can’t realistically bluff anything that wakes

[normal quest]

this has wizard syndrome

[ionic drift]

it does 😔

[ember cargo]

the Jinx can be that the Vampire wakes seperately to the Demon and registers as good to the Wraith

or alternatively:

"The Wraith may not wake when the Vampire would (they do so seperately from the Demon)"

When the Wraith is in play, after Demon info, put the Demon to sleep, and then wake the Wraith, if they're sleeping, and shake your head no. Wait 20 seconds if no Vampire is in play, or run Vampire's Demon info if it is, then wake the Wraith and nod your head for yes they may wake.

[normal quest]

specifying 20 seconds is weird

[ember cargo]

i'm giving a ballpark number 😭

[normal quest]

that’s fair, i take things written in roughly accurate syntax at face value

[ember cargo]

its cool, tends to happen online alot :)

[half vine]

if tpi can update their alchemist jinxes, so can we!

below you may find what should be our final BBbbfP Big Batch 1 jinx list, now featuring an updated Vampire/Alchemist jinx, as well as brand new Vampire/Summoner and Vampire/Wraith jinxes

[normal quest]

alch-vamp is a fun bluff for good players to do

[shut forum]

alch vamp truly is roi faineant without the risk...

[wintry saddle]

but the cost of being believed is also a lot less right? since you wont know which minion is good (presuming its more than 1 minion in-play.)

[fallow latch]

new character please

[pale dove]

Don't make me tell you what it is again

[fringe pumice]

time to leak a character lmao

yeah no i just read that character again and my reaction is the same

dare i say that it's worse than my characters in jankiness

like it makes Matsuraid look like the Imp

and it's also more busted than Balatro, Rock*, and Eagle* combined
-# * from bazaar

[haughty turret]

Release it as is it'll be funny

[half vine]

rock is pretty simple tbf, you just kill it by any means

[grand steppe]

Rock sucks 😭

[elfin ginkgo]

eagle 😭

[fringe pumice]

When Boomdandy is the only true counter to your character, you know you’ve done something wrong right

[pale dove]

Paper works in my experience

[ember cargo]

But it has aura

[fallow latch]

You suck

[fallow latch]

Someone who gets it

[neat verge]

What if the Vampire is good 🤔

Recluse/Spy casually nominating themselves:

[neat verge]

@chilly wren This can be solved by stating that all players may only register as 1 thing to the Architect at any time

No funny misreg

And that the Architect should simultaneously check both nominator and nominee’s alignments

[chilly wren]

lmao

[fringe pumice]

Afaik this isn’t possible

(And would break immediately if so)

[normal quest]

i thought they meant good as in a high quality character 🙈

[haughty turret]

How does 🅱️hampire play out

Can I put it with an extra evil

Do I need to script such that the thrall can solve their own alignment

It doesn't need to be a 5th on script minion does it

Also what's the importance of the vampire knowing who the thrall is? Like if they were to learn the wrong player would that be a problem

[ember cargo]

its so you can meaningfully clue in the other minions into the lie in higher minion count games

i think

[half vine]

it’s important so that you’re able to prepare failsafe mechanisms and know which player to subtly guide others away from choosing with their abilities

and being able to definitively bring in other minions into the knowledge lands is much more exciting I feel

[half vine]

it needs one about as much as summoner does. so not really unless you have monsta and/or typhon

make sure you have a real good minion suite though cause on 15p, it’ll either be all 4 minions or all 3 non-vamp minions

[half vine]

I consider bhampire as +0.5 extra evils, as you can’t use your extra minion to the same extent you would if you were typhon for something. I do think it plays very well with characters such as Politician and Ogre, so I support scripting them together

[half vine]

thrall hardsolves should ideally be uncommon on a script. there should ideally be a way to have some reasonable doubt that you’re not actually a thrall and someone’s just droisoned or something

[ember cargo]

noble is pretty fun with it since you can put the Vampire in there with the good Minion

[haughty turret]

Oooh got it

"choosing with their abilities" that's probably an important detail 👀 VIs and not empaths

[haughty turret]

Got it, what about e.g. bounty hunter

[half vine]

bounty hunter should be fine I think

be careful about showing the vampire, but obviously they could just be the evil TF from the thrall’s POV

[ember cargo]

bounty hunter is interesting with it because the vampire can look like an evil townsfolk

[haughty turret]

(well the character I have in mind is an academy character with BH setup text so they won't actually be in any BH pings 👀)

Ty this is helpful :D

Definitely planning to use it then

[civic rapids]

[blissful tapir]

@half vine Rose Bride loses a duel, who's team loses

like when does the Rose Bride flip again

[half vine]

it's in the examples dawg

but what happens is execution, then the flip

[blissful tapir]

mizu was asking

not me

[half vine]

so rose bride wouldn't flip after death by execution

[blissful tapir]

shadowslam: "that doesnt make any goddamn sense!"

i think it's fine

[half vine]

oh you're in vc

i thought you were just making up words

by made up versions of people

[fallow latch]

new character please

[half vine]

we are actually getting decently close to the finish line for Big Batch 2

we're mostly just finishing up character art and almanacs now, so i am hoping we can get it out there at some point this August

[fringe pumice]

Nah just do what I did and preoccupy yourself with other things

[ionic drift]

Oh my God, Paradox just told me the funniest joke you should've been there

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-math-tongue-blep-computer-gif-921057175658678393

[onyx lotus]

get that boy some glasses...

he cant read :(

[haughty turret]

hi so the image link for vampire (pulled from constellation) doesnt work

i believe discord links expire or something along those lines

i assume it's the same for other characters too

just FYI

[onyx lotus]

obviously vampires dont appear in mirrors

i cant believe a plebian like you would not know this...

smh...

[haughty turret]

(bloodstar and imgur are both pretty commonly used ways to host images)

[haughty turret]

TRUE

ok my bad

[latent pine]

Yeah. I added Discord links of images for characters I couldn’t find proper mages for easily

Let me know which ones don’t work & I’ll get around to fixing them in time

[haughty turret]

oooo ok

well i put together this https://www.bloodstar.xyz/p/bhamber/BBbbfPBigBatch1/vampire_bbbbfpbigbatch1.png

which is nice

[onyx lotus]

no

use dracula ye-ye

we all love a good dracula

[fringe pumice]

(Imgur is better bc Chinese pirates literally brute force bloodstar links)

[haughty turret]

huh

also wait can we talk about how awesome that sentence sounds

chinese pirates?? that sounds dope

if you ignore, you know, the art stealing and whatnot

[fringe pumice]

Art, characters, you name it

[shut forum]

can you imagine seeing this in an actual grimoire

a good bhampire

[half vine]

I’d scream and scream and scream if I saw that

[neat verge]

I would

Do it

[wintry saddle]

How would you do it?

The vampire cannot add duplicates right?

And they are adding the good minion

[neat verge]

I think they could make themselves good

Not intended, but possible.

The How To Run section implies you can place the Thrall token on the Vampire itself.

[wintry saddle]

The how to run implies it, but the ability text speaks against it.

[haughty turret]

yeah because then it just learns itself and wins

however i did put both bhampire and legate on howl which makes this possible 👀

[neat verge]

The homebrew community should really cook up more alignment changers smh

They’re really fun

To look at

[haughty turret]

there are plenty

[shut forum]

some other character idfk

im doing a shitpost image lol

and i thought id get funny with it

[neat verge]

What’s the Lunatic seeing?

[shut forum]

who the fuck knows

she asked to be the lunatic and so i gave her the Is the Lunatic token

the missing character is a hermit

the file name probably helps show that this is a real grimoire dot pee en gee

[half vine]

it's not intended so don't do it!!

i'll edit the HTR soon

[shut forum]

thrall vamp would be crazy

im glad ive brought forth a revolution

[half vine]

soon is now

this diabolical loophole has been eliminated and if i catch any of you thralling your vampires again, the wrath of the heavens shall descend upon ye

[neat verge]

Too late

I will

Wait I can still circumvent this

Collier the Vampire

[half vine]

listen if you want to make the vampire good through other means, i can look the other way, but that thrall token better be elsewhere is all i'm saying

[neat verge]

Time to cook more good Minions :hehe:

[fringe pumice]

Collier mention

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1338278733018173541/1338296636882813070/LuisFear.gif

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

anyway damm no new characters in like… 2 months :(

[fringe pumice]

For me?

Bc you guys are alr cooking

😭

[fallow latch]

wtf

[fringe pumice]

yes patters big batch 2 is indeed "wtf"

[blissful tapir]

Lemme clarify, “damm [there have been] no new characters in like… 2 months :(“ 😂

[fallow latch]

oh I see

NEW CHARACTER WHEN

[blissful tapir]

Soooooon™

[half vine]

we are very close to being able to reveal when we'll be releasing Big Batch 2

[civic rapids]

will it come out before silk song

[half vine]

silksong is september 4th yeah?

in which case i can say that we'll be revealing our release schedule before silksong

[keen crystal]

you'll be revealing your... release schedule... and not any actual characters

sorry I'll be too busy playing silksong to compliment your homebrew

[elfin ginkgo]

dog is that a fucking celeste map 😭

[normal quest]

it doesn’t look like pumber even though it has the same styling

[shut forum]

thats sumber

im gonna change something tomorrow but heres the finished product if you want

[shut forum]

i first thought of doing pumber but i decided sumber was funnier

[normal quest]

thats sumber?? the colors do not look like how i remember sumber

[shut forum]

i half made up spinner colors but everything else is sumber r1

its not the deep red part which is probably the more memorable color palette

[normal quest]

spinner colors being off were what i was noticing

was? idk grammar is hard

[shut forum]

blue and lime are correct, pink is made up

thought i used a funky watercolor brush so the intensity of the color might be too much in places and too little in others

but if anything the (basically-covered-up in the final version) green theo crystal is pretty sumbery i think

[blissful tapir]

I hereby formally resign fro-

[elfin ginkgo]

bhamber im on your side

[half vine]

he put cannibal

below

poppy grower

that's fucking unbelievable

[elfin ginkgo]

WHAT THE FUCK???

nah thats just objectively wrong

@blissful tapir wtf man

Poppy Grower is only higher than Atheist

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-explosion-cats-kaboom-gif-5543609305179444322

get rekt you stinkies

[half vine]

poll here

it's important

if you don't vote we cancel big batch 2

[elfin ginkgo]

more like big bitch 2 (paradox) amirite!!!

im sorry para

[blissful tapir]

slash open ticket user being mean to mod

[elfin ginkgo]

im gonna become a minion so i can be cool

[half vine]

slash open ticket your moderator's ordering of scripts sucks and is stupid

we have it so good paradox

everything is wonderfully ordered

you can know exactly where to look on a script

and you'd find a character

so why

what's the point

of fucking up this rigid order that just works and is nice and is just

whatever

[elfin ginkgo]

no but para is weird about how htings look

and tbf the way Boffin Boom MM looks is just kinda

idk its like curvy

[half vine]

my final point is this: if you really want the script order arbitrarily based on vibes, paradox. can you try using better vibes?

[frank brook]

Cannibal should go below poppy

😇

[elfin ginkgo]

SHUT UP YOU ARE WRONG AND STUPID!!!!

[half vine]

pixlate said it best

axolator you're wrong and stupid

[elfin ginkgo]

POPPY ALTERS THE FUNDAMENTAL RULES OF THE GAME

[half vine]

and so is paradox

[elfin ginkgo]

CANNIBAL IS JUST SOME PRICK!!!

[half vine]

why don't we start placing atheist in the middle of the script then

[blissful tapir]

that would be breaking the [script] rules so like fair play

[half vine]

old SAO had cannibal below poppy and it looked stupid and it looked bad then

SO WHY BRING IT BACK??????

[elfin ginkgo]

god youre the worst

[half vine]

YOU BAFFLE ME

GENUINELY WHAT'S THE POINT

[elfin ginkgo]

"You have" goes before "Minions"

what the fuck are you on about

[blissful tapir]

bro's losing it in his own homebrew thread...

[half vine]

SPO FUCKING SUCKS AND EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN TIME ITS BROUGHT UP, I WILL BE THERE

[frank brook]

CANNIBAL IS CANNIBAL

[half vine]

AND I WILL INSULT IT

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-kid-black-umm-mahmoud-gif-11362661

[elfin ginkgo]

ok so

[frank brook]

it goes below everything

[elfin ginkgo]

SPO is fine

[frank brook]

except atheist

[elfin ginkgo]

when its Standard Pixlate Order

[half vine]

its an undertaker sidegrade

[elfin ginkgo]

HUH????

WHAT????

[half vine]

when people go "what kind of execution role do i want", they look at cannibal or undertaker

cannibal is not special

there is nothing special about it

[elfin ginkgo]

Poppy Grower is like "oh shit poppy grower"

[half vine]

there is nothing that makes it important enough to go at the bottom

[elfin ginkgo]

no one goes "oh shit cannibal"

[frank brook]

IT'S CANNIBAL!!!!

[half vine]

??????????

[elfin ginkgo]

god bhamber why are you so based

[frank brook]

atheist and like maybe mayor go below it

[half vine]

why

[frank brook]

looks nicer

[elfin ginkgo]

MAYOR????

[half vine]

wrong

[elfin ginkgo]

FUCKING MAYOR???

[half vine]

cannibal below poppy grower? you're genuinely attempt to say that looks nicer?

[elfin ginkgo]

MAYOR IS A CLEAR IF CONDITION!!!!

wait

do you think Alchemist goes below poppy

[half vine]

okay i think i'm done with my crashout

[frank brook]

Oh I think Alch goes with the YSKs

but that was old alch

[half vine]

sorry to cut the convo here but everyone get out

[frank brook]

New Alch idrk

[elfin ginkgo]

GOD!!!

[frank brook]

ok sorry bhamber

[elfin ginkgo]

ok sorry

[half vine]

i brought it up first

so it's not your faults

well paradox brought it up first

but this SPO-based crashout was really brewing in me for a long time, and eventually, things just boiled over

[pale dove]

Well that was amusing

[half vine]

we'll be doing this every friday now

the fridaily crashout hour

[fallow latch]

gimme new character now

[blissful tapir]

we're too busy rioting over Suggested Paradox Order I'm afraid

[fallow latch]

consider this

stop that

gimme new character

[blissful tapir]

ok uhhhh

Pawn: You, the Demon, and the Minion(s), think you are a Minion but you are not

[fallow latch]

crazy

[blissful tapir]

i know!

[half vine]

holy shit that's awesome wait

clearly we've gotta delay big batch 2 so we can include this character

[blissful tapir]

it's a Paradox™ Original no thievery

[half vine]

oh okay

well i didn't want it anyway

[pale dove]

You know what it is, Patrick "Patters" TTV.

[elfin ginkgo]

wait this is fire?

[neat verge]

Minions, Demons, & you think you are a Minion, but you are not.

[fringe pumice]

Pawn + Vamp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1338278733018173541/1338296636882813070/LuisFear.gif

[ionic drift]

We've done it lads

Ultimate Collier any%

[blissful tapir]

Well thank you all for enjoying our brief time here at 4BfP but unfortunately for the forseable future we will be cancelling all releases!

[random minnow]

Gave +1 Thanks to @half vine (current: #318 - 159)

[half vine]

oh yay that gives a thanks

worth it tbh

[normal quest]

nice

[frank brook]

not nice

[fallow latch]

Nooooooo

[blissful tapir]

bhamber's made some poor decisions 😔

[half vine]

well now i'm making the decision to make a cool announcement at <t:1756054800:t>

[pale dove]

Paradox's public stoning I presume

[half vine]

15 minutes until cool announcement

[neat verge]

Until then we can Thrall the Bhampire

No more Good Bhampire

😔

[shut forum]

cool announcement is dead.

[neat verge]

7

6 I mean

[normal quest]

big batch 2 cancelled because of SPO

[shut forum]

bb2 cancelled because silksong

[normal quest]

understandable ngl

[neat verge]

2 minutes

[shut forum]

mfw cool announcement is theres a cool announcement in exactly a day and 27 seconds

[half vine]

The land of death lays lifeless. The land where knights upon horseback barrelled their ways into enemy lines, joined by bowmen firing blow after blow of feathered arrows akin to a cobra’s fangs. The land where musketeers fired shot after shot, and bashed their enemies with whatever could act as brass knuckles as they fought upon the edge of death.

People who had trained for years being killed in seconds, frequently erupting fountains of blood left to mix into the mud of the no man’s land. The mud where lay the soldiers banished, to the hell that is war. Their final resting place a land of sin and agony, as former individuals became nothing but an increasing number of death.

Unresting spirits linger, trapped within the earth; the spirits of vengeance rising through the dirt and mud, wishing for what luxury had never been granted to them, wishing for a…

At long last, BBbbfP’s Big Batch 2 is complete! Featuring 9 different characters, all of which I believe are truly excellent, this set of releases is gonna provide a real big meal of Homebrew delivered directly down your gullet. And the best part? Releases begin…

TOMORROW!

From Monday to Sunday, we’ll be releasing all 9 of our characters (double releases on Monday and Sunday), same time as today. Make sure you don’t miss these cool cool characters!

[half vine]

kinda true...

[shut forum]

boo stole my bit

[pale dove]

THE PROPHET

[half vine]

@keen crystal silksong won't be here to save you from our homebrews

[neat verge]

Hope it doesn't conflict with my homebrews 🥺

Would be sad

[civic rapids]

deltarune tomorrow!

[half vine]

based on how deltarune released mid-big batch 1 release and how silksong is releasing after big batch 2, this clearly means that big batch 3 will coincide with another massive release that we thought was never gonna come. that of course being, the expansions 🔥

[neat verge]

@half vine Today's Sunday somewhere, are you gonna release one?

[half vine]

nah i missed the release window

so we gotta wait

[pale dove]

listen if you made it ace attorney 7 that would be really convenient for me specifically

[neat verge]

It's also Monday somewhere 👀

[crystal kite]

[blissful tapir]

I’m really excited about this next batch 🙂‍↕️ if you thought BB1 was cool BB2 is cool-er.

It has one of my favourite characters bhamver’s created as well as a very cool one I’ve been wanting a while

[neat verge]

Can I see it before release I promise I won't leak

[blissful tapir]

If I did then how would others feel 😉 that wouldn’t be fair, oh and I’m pretty sure I’d get fired by like bhamber

[neat verge]

"||Cooked|| by bhamber"

hmm

🤔

[normal quest]

he shat on spo he deserves it

[fringe pumice]

Whats the hint

Bc idek know which one this is lmao

[half vine]

there are no hints sadly

[keen crystal]

Never been happier to be not saved! I'm very excited and also absolute banger flavor text, props to whichever of you wrote that

[blissful tapir]

Yeah we’d never give hints or teasers eho do you think we are

[fringe pumice]

Smh boring

[chilly wren]

Ooh

[half vine]

2 hours until release!

[ember cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/confetti-gif-confetti-guy-funny-dead-humor-tiktok-gif-25829666

cant wait for the scrimblo

[crystal kite]

Can't wait for Poppy Grower 2

Is exactly same as regular PG, except is before Cannibal on scripts.

Excited for actual release

[fallow latch]

New character now

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/egg-frank-can-i-offer-you-a-nice-egg-in-this-trying-time-gif-13802522

[half vine]

it’s also worth reminding that today is a double release day! after the first release, I’ll put up a character type poll to determine the second

[keen crystal]

Cant wait for the thinker stinker to finally come out, and we'll even get the bluffer scuffer today too

[blissful tapir]

We’ve trained you well it’s time to put theory into practise

[elfin ginkgo]

why is brother releasing at 3am

ya boy needs time to scriptbuild

[keen crystal]

I would call that a... tulip grower

[half vine]

"All aboard!"

Beginning our journey, it's...

Conductor (Fabled)

Setup modifications might happen at any time.

Add the Conductor if your script has characters that are too weak or too strong if they enter play after setup.

• When creating a character list using the Script Tool, certain characters might make it possible that a character that modifies setup can be made during the game. Many characters that modify setup require their setup modification to use their ability or to prevent their ability from being too powerful. Adding the Conductor allows these scenarios to be prevented.
• With a Conductor in play, the Storyteller may make any changes to the grimoire to replicate modifications that a character may have made to setup.
• The Storyteller may only make modifications if the relevant character is in play.

HOW TO RUN
At the start of the game, declare the Conductor is in play. Add the Conductor token to the grimoire.

At any time, if an ability that modifies the setup of the game is in play, you may apply those modifications.

EXAMPLES
In a ten player game, no Outsiders are in play. On the first night, the Engineer chooses Fang Gu. The Demon becomes the Fang Gu, and the Storyteller decides that the Snake Charmer becomes the Plague Doctor.

The Pit-Hag turns Henry the King into the Steward. Because the Choirboy is in play, the Storyteller decides to turn Henry back into the King.

In an eight player game, the Politician is the only Outsider in play. The Kazali chooses to turn them into the Godfather. The Storyteller decides to turn the Fortune Teller into the Moonchild.

The Pit-Hag turns Henry the Fortune Teller into the Huntsman. The Storyteller turns Hetty the dead Steward into the Damsel. That morning, when Henry declares that he is now the Huntsman, Hetty declares that she trusts him because she was turned into the Damsel last night.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

IT BEGINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-choo-choo-monsters-inc-smiling-gif-4431881389320033397

[half vine]

shoutouts to @ember cargo's TPOT for being the inspiration for this character. i wondered if there was a solution to Fang Gu/Engineer that wasn't Sentinel, and thus this Fabled was born. of course, there'd be no more fitting of a release script than literally TPOT (+ Skorn)

[ember cargo]

goated fabled

skorn TPOT 🔥

[half vine]

i hope i didn't get your hopes up too high delta for a crazy townsfolk or outsider lol

i had to be very deliberate with some of the things i said to not reveal that it's just a fabled lol

[ember cargo]

i was expecting one for sure but this is a great Fabled for Engineer script building

[finite blade]

we still have time for that dont we?

[half vine]

but yeah you can now have as an active baron as you could ever dream of

[ember cargo]

it also means Hatter with O-Mod is really cool

Hatter minion swaps into Baron and now there's 2 extra outsiders

[normal quest]

midgame kazali making more minions 🧯

[half vine]

5 mins for this poll!

[ember cargo]

ENGINEER AND TYPHON GOES CRAZY

[finite blade]

unless 2 extra is too strong - in which case you only add 1 because the Fang Gu is also in play

[pale dove]

Evil traveller across the grim getting yanked into the line

[half vine]

you can definitely get pretty wild with the post-setup setup modifications you make, but Conductor's intent is to be reasonable with what you do. of course, now that it's in the hands of the public though...

[ember cargo]

i think if TPOT goes Sentinel-less I'd kind of want to slot in Hermit somehow with this Fabled but I'd need to think about it

[normal quest]

pit hag legion

[ember cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/been-through-war-gif-14804550298263605778

[normal quest]

half of the grim becomes good legion

[half vine]

oh another little thing Conductor does is make the Bounty Hunter/Philo jinx unnecessary

[ember cargo]

skorn tpot is so good though i do love it for doing what TPOT Imp wants to do but better

[finite blade]

The Hermit is in play, and has already removed an outsider. Because Evil is decimating Good, the ST decides to reapply the Hermit's setup ability, turning the Hermit into the Poppy Grower.

[normal quest]

oh skorn tpot is awesome

[half vine]

alright townsfolk is victorious, get ready folks!

"No, no, you are not sharing my barrel! You're lucky I'm not telling anybody about this, though that'd uh, put me in trouble too. Still! Just, wake me up when we get there at least."

You may have seen them hiding, it's...

Stowaway (Townsfolk)

If you die at night, choose a player: they gain a Traveller ability & learn this.

The Stowaway gives a Traveller ability upon their death.

• If the Stowaway dies at night, they choose a player to gain a Traveller ability.
• The Storyteller chooses which Traveller ability is granted.
• The player chosen by the Stowaway learns which ability they have received, but the Stowaway does not.
• The player the Stowaway chooses only gains a Traveller ability, and does not become one.
• The Stowaway may choose any player, regardless of their alignment or if they are alive or dead.
• If a dead player is chosen by the Stowaway, their Traveller ability only works if it is active even while they are dead, though they still learn which ability they have gained.

HOW TO RUN
If the Stowaway dies at night, wake them. They point at any player. Place a Traveller token by that player's character token.

Treat the chosen player as if they had this Traveller ability, as well as their own ability.

OPTIONAL RULE: The Stowaway can only grant the abilities of recommended Travellers.

EXAMPLES
Sarah the Stowaway is killed by the Demon and chooses Amanda, who gains the Butcher ability. That day, after the first execution, Amanda nominates and executes the Demon.

Steve the Imp kills Alan the Stowaway, who chooses Steve. The Storyteller gives Steve the Bone Collector ability, which Steve uses on the Poisoner the next night.

Alex the Engineer is chosen by the Stowaway and gains the Gnome ability. In the morning, the Storyteller announces a player that is the same alignment as Alex.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by Paradox.

[blissful tapir]

@ember cargo if you think of any other Passage of Train changes lemme know and I might run it in the scheduled tonight if I’m actually free

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/unattended-luggage-leggage-luggage-suitcase-suspicious-bag-gif-18091847

[normal quest]

THIS IS AWESOME

[half vine]

oops i forgot to add the optional rule, lemme make a quick edit

there we go

[finite blade]

is there any way to get rid of the ability granted?

[normal quest]

if you do please ping me :) i keep meaning to try out on-server livevoice and i want to try both tpot and bbbbfp characters so that would be the perfect combo

[half vine]

you can kill the recipient

[crystal kite]

Incredible stuff

[half vine]

jinxes here are timer-demon typical

[half vine]

Stowaway does die if chosen though so they can't just give themself the ability easy style

[normal quest]

this is a super spicy banshee sidegrade!

[ember cargo]

the changes I'd make to TPOTrain is prob PM for Sweetheart, Barber removed, and Mutant to Hermit. I think that then covers outsider mod entirely for the script (but loses Barber but that's probably fine since unless its outed Shabaloth, where Barber is rough anyways, the Psycho --> Boom always remains a demon candidate)

btw i love stowaway i'm just stunlocked on TPOT as usual

[half vine]

the core idea here was how to make a townsfolk that had a traveller ability in some way, and demonsbaning it was the solution we came up with!

[normal quest]

hermit tpot is probably absolutely debilitating for good

[ember cargo]

this is a Banshee sidegrade for sure, its a Demonsbane where its not neccessarily bad for evil if they die because it can benefit them too

[civic rapids]

me when i give the demon the deviant

[normal quest]

yeah i love how the trav ability can go to either team

[ember cargo]

its really cool

[civic rapids]

when im playing a perfectly normal game of clocktower when suddenly

the matron appears

💀 🔥

[half vine]

talk about a game made 100% better :D

[ember cargo]

and if you want them to kill the choice, just make the Stowaway give the Matron ability 🔥

[half vine]

i love the matron

[normal quest]

the stowaway picking the boomdandy:

[ember cargo]

-1 regularly and it should be fine. i think sweetheart is a pretty weak outsider on tpot unless it dies specifically n2

[half vine]

it's also worth noting that the theming here is based on the wup script Stowed Away by Caffeine

[civic rapids]

wait oh shit giving gnome goes hard because you get a free seamstress yes

[ember cargo]

pd is the big scary thing but as long as you let the Huntsman change the Hermit too, then it becomes more important to the Hermit to focus on getting saved

[normal quest]

i’m also worried about losing PM, no n1 droisoning feels sketch? i’ll have to look at the tf again though

[ember cargo]

oh yeah for sure

i'm trying to think of the wackiest combos

[normal quest]

bishop is cool

[tiny marten]

Scapegoat is funny

[half vine]

next release will be tomorrow at <t:1756227600:t>
show up a few minutes early though and you'll get to vote on the character type poll! :D

[blissful tapir]

Also stowaway’s Easter egg is fun :3

[normal quest]

beyond the stowed away reference?

[normal quest]

the winner in my heart

[blissful tapir]

Yah just that reference

Little coffee bean label

[ember cargo]

thats a cute reference

love that

[half vine]

oh yeah Stowaway's icon is by Paradox

[blissful tapir]

bhamber made stowaway wizard wish in that one FBtW game

[half vine]

credited now

Conductor icon is by me

[blissful tapir]

I’ve done 3 icons for BB2; bhamver’s done the rest

[haughty turret]

WORLD CUP REFERENCE

[blissful tapir]

Who would ever do that

[half vine]

if i don't credit the artist you can assume it's done by me. admittedly that's not the best habit in case i forget to credit something, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

so maybe i will credit my own icons as well actually yeah

[keen crystal]

holy fucking fire to both of these

y'all popped off and fixed* engineer

also giving the damsel a bluff (and telling them that they have a huntsman) is a fire interaction

somehow you made me comparatively less excited for the bait role lol

[ember cargo]

its such a good fabled

[latent pine]

Also I just realized

Althugh it plays in a diffreent way to beta TBA Pilgrim, this is a TF concerned with Travellers

[half vine]

well you made stowaway amne and then after that didn't happen, i made stowaway wizard wish

[wintry saddle]

Choirboy is drunk by the sailor can they add a king when the pithag turns the king into the steward?

[half vine]

yes cause conductor only checks if the ability is in play at all, and not if it's sober or not

[wintry saddle]

(Insert "drunk players have no ability")

I think it makes sense, was mostly checking since I think either ruling is fine

[blissful tapir]

Check out #scheduled-game-chat to play Passage of Train!

[keen crystal]

passage of train is a pretty fun script, can't wait until the stars align and I can claim outsider-turned townsfolk by the hermit setup of -1 outsider happening late via the conductor

[ionic drift]

I've done a bad job of keeping track oh release batch 2, but this character is, going from vague memory, one of my faves on it

actually wait nvm, I think there's a really simple Minion on there that's sleek as hell

[normal quest]

hear that everyone? vote minion tomorrow

[ionic drift]

nvm that's not in this batch

smh 😔

[half vine]

fwiw the reason it’s not in the batch is because we thought the Minion that ended up replacing it was so cool that we just had to release it sooner

[fallow latch]

The lack of an Active Baron example is a crime.

[half vine]

well Baron is actually already active, so an example with Conductor would be redundant

[half vine]

less than 30 minutes until the poll starts!

[half vine]

you're getting a whole 12 minutes for this poll

so you can take your time, really think over the options

[pale dove]

I'M PANICKING

[crystal kite]

Who needs that time anyways

[keen crystal]

Are these icons supposed to mean something... is bbbbfp about to release a tomby character...

[half vine]

it's still the same selection of characters that was available yesterday

and back then i used Steward, PM, Mario, and Leviathan

so if you're feeling smart you can try and guess what tomorrow's will be

[normal quest]

heretic legion

[half vine]

2 minutes left on poll though

[ember cargo]

Magician Heretic Wizard Legion

[blissful tapir]

He’s late!!!

[ember cargo]

🔥

[crystal kite]

|| ?||

[half vine]

okay well now i have to come up with something else

[normal quest]

lmaooo

[half vine]

it's a 12 minute poll paradox

[crystal kite]

Lol

[normal quest]

you told me to guess!!

[half vine]

yeah i just didn't think you'd be so GOATED at guessing :/

[crystal kite]

Can't wait for || ||

[ember cargo]

HERE WE GOOO

[crystal kite]

Wait I forgot Acro is TF 💀

[half vine]

"The Tower of Babel was an insult to the gods. Worse, it was an insult to me."

Not mummified just yet, it's...

Pharaoh (Minion)

On your 1st night, choose if the highest or lowest alive Townsfolk by script order is poisoned. You know their character.

The Pharaoh poisons based on script order.

• On their first night, the Pharaoh chooses a direction.
• Depending on their choice, either the highest or lowest alive Townsfolk character on the script is poisoned.
• The Pharaoh learns which character is poisoned.
• If the poisoned character dies, the next highest or lowest alive Townsfolk character is then poisoned and the Pharaoh learns their character.

HOW TO RUN
On the first night, wake the Pharaoh. If they point their finger vertically up, the highest alive Townsfolk by script order is poisoned. If the Pharaoh points their finger vertically down, the lowest alive Townsfolk by script order is poisoned. Mark the poisoned player with the POISONED reminder. Show the Pharaoh the character token of the poisoned player.

Each time the player poisoned by the Pharaoh dies, move the POISONED reminder to the next alive Townsfolk in the order chosen by the Pharaoh. Wake the Pharaoh and show them the character token of the new poisoned player.

EXAMPLES
On the first night, the Pharaoh chooses up. The Pharaoh learns that the Shugenja, the second character in the script order after the Steward, is poisoned. Later, the Shugenja is executed, and that night the Pharaoh learns that the Empath is now poisoned.

The Pharaoh chooses down and learns that the Ravenkeeper is poisoned. On the second night, the Ravenkeeper dies, and the Pharaoh learns that the Juggler is now poisoned.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/white-pharaoh-egypt-meme-blingee-picmix-gif-14343753012449453700

[half vine]

BBbbfP Pharaoh is NOT the white man Pharaoh

[normal quest]

i love this little guy hes just happy to be here

[half vine]

in terms of script design, Pharaoh does naturally have the option between info characters higher up and demonsbanes and other characters lower down due to SAO, but you are also welcome to completely mess with script order to get a different poison line

[blissful tapir]

You heard it here first folks bhamber approves of SPO

[half vine]

yeah, strange pharaoh order

[normal quest]

so on a paradox script the PG can’t be messed with by pharaoh because cannibal is in the way

[half vine]

theoretically but it's up to you if you really want cannibal first poisoned with a low pharaoh

[latent pine]

Trained Killer moment

[crystal kite]

Just deal with Cannibal first easy

Or start from top ig

[half vine]

yeah we're really covering all the wup scripts

first stowed away, now this

[crystal kite]

There can't be 2 Cannibals on script :D

[latent pine]

Can’t wait for the Ballad of Seat 7 character :)

[ionic drift]

Putting Pharaoh in my GoS likes

[latent pine]

Pharaoh and Wine Gremlin on their way to the garden party

[half vine]

it's worth noting that Pharaoh does get free bluffs if their poison skips a character or a few. so be careful as those high and low characters claimed could be poisoned, but could also be a Pharaoh that knows something free to bluff

but also if you get a bit too kill happy with the high and low characters in question, poison could spread quite a lot!

[half vine]

as for future releases: final poll tomorrow, then thursday is the biggest loser, and then friday, saturday, and sunday are all pre-planned

[blissful tapir]

I fear this is not its home style script 😭 it’s MHD if anything

[normal quest]

evil players being able to figure out what tf are in play through info doesnt seem very mhd

[blissful tapir]

Oh yeah that’s like. Stretch if iit want to put it on any expansion

In reality tbis screams GSoE lol

[half vine]

paradox did say "if anything", and i would struggle to attribute it anywhere else specific

it's fun with drunk so clearly it

is TB :D

[normal quest]

trueee

[keen crystal]

ngl this is sick as an info-gathering minion

I'd love to see this on a script made with it in mind

[haughty turret]

I mean it's basically poisoner (without the baggage that comes with poisoner)

Fun design

[blissful tapir]

So about that

[haughty turret]

The Passage of Train 2

[normal quest]

every bb2 release comes with a new version of TPOTr

[half vine]

yeah Pharaoh's is called The Passage of Tutankhamun

[blissful tapir]

Pharaoh would be an interesting minion for CoaCT…

[half vine]

or i suppose "passing" would be a better word, r.i.p. my goated king

[normal quest]

gone but not forgotten, alive forever in our hearts

[half vine]

taken from us tootankhasoon

[normal quest]

LMAO

[ember cargo]

like when TPI released characters with variations of TB, BB2 uses TPOT variations

[half vine]

4 hours until release!

and of course poll will start 10 mins early

[blissful tapir]

OR you can pay me £40 to get the release early

[neat verge]

Bribery incoming

[half vine]

well if you pay me £50 you get it even earlier

[neat verge]

Arrest them!

If we crowdfund we can bribe them

[haughty turret]

You can pay me £60 for no noticeable reward

[neat verge]

@half vine @blissful tapir 17 minutes to your doom

:CatGun:

[shut forum]

will i express my love for the character today 🥰

[neat verge]

I have guns prepped

Bhamber and Paradox have nowhere to run

[half vine]

the thing you fail to understand is that i will effortlessly dodge every bullet by hiding behind paradox

[blissful tapir]

can i vote @half vine or is that illegal

[neat verge]

It is not

@half vine no Traveller?

Be darned.

[blissful tapir]

damn, 9 characters isn't good enough anymore 😔

[half vine]

has mime not satiated you enough?

[half vine]

you can vote for me in an election but not to execute me

[neat verge]

No we want more

[half vine]

and i am not an option on the poll

[random minnow]

!Lady Mist

Abridged Poll

1⃣ Outsida
2⃣ De mon
3⃣ 🧛 Bhamber

[latent pine]

Now you are :)

[half vine]

dammit.....

[half vine]

5 mins left on poll because i forgot to give a timer when i set it

[half vine]

if i win this poll i get released, but idk what that means for me

[latent pine]

You give us your discord passwords & we can use your account?

[blissful tapir]

you become more confident :)

[half vine]

i like lady mist's answer better

[haughty turret]

Released like from prison?

[keen crystal]

but what would your ability be bhamber

[haughty turret]

Released from this mortal plane?

[random minnow]

questionably__

Poll Continuation

1⃣ Traveller
2⃣ Outsida
3⃣ De mon
4⃣ 🧛 Bhamber

[half vine]

you're telling me this plane can die?

that is so transformers-core

[keen crystal]

you might have misheard him, planes fly not die

[half vine]

2 poll minutes left

and 2 regular minutes left as well

dude i was about to start eating nuts like i don't have a character to release in a minute

crazy

[random minnow]

!axolator (she/her)

poll continuation continuation

1⃣ Traveller
2⃣ Outsida
3⃣ De mon
4⃣ 🧛 Bhamber
5⃣ 🦝 Paradox

[half vine]

WHY IS IT TIED AGAIN

i'm not ending the poll that tie needs to be broken

[frank brook]

i broke the tie :)

[latent pine]

dont look at me. my vote has always been the same

[half vine]

okay poll over now

[crystal kite]

omv to return

[half vine]

"For our Sanctuary to persist, our fountains must flow dark with blood. They must not be disturbed. Our Sanctuary must not be tarnished."

Covering our world in darkness, it's...

Sanctuary (Demon)

Each day, all learn 3 players (at least 1 evil): if 1 isn’t executed today, evil wins. 1st team executed twice loses. [+1 Sanctuary]

The Sanctuary makes town choose between three.

• There are two Sanctuaries in play and both count as the Demon.
• Each day, at dawn, the Storyteller publicly announces which three players have been invited into the Sanctuary.
• At least one of the announced players must be evil, but there can be more than one.
• If none of those three players are executed that day, evil wins.
• If two good players are executed, evil wins. If two evil players are executed, good wins.
• If a Sanctuary is executed, the game continues unless another evil player has already been executed.

HOW TO RUN
While setting up the game, before putting character tokens in the bag, replace a Townsfolk token with a Sanctuary token.

At the start of each day, announce three players, at least one of which is evil—mark them with a KNOWN reminder. If one of these players is not executed today, declare that evil wins.

If a good player is executed, mark the Sanctuary with the GOOD ONCE reminder. If an evil player is executed, mark the Sanctuary with the EVIL ONCE reminder. If the Sanctuary is marked with GOOD ONCE and a good player is executed or marked with EVIL ONCE and an evil player is executed,, declare that the game is over and which team has won.

EXAMPLES
At the start of the first day, the Storyteller announces that Richard the Politician, Leah the Village Idiot, and Kris the Marionette are the three players for today. Richard is executed. The next day, Leah, Harold the Magician, and Alvin the Sanctuary are the three players announced. Alvin is executed. On the third day, Harold, Kris, and Megan the Fisherman are announced. Kris is executed and good wins.

On the first day, Penelope the Town Crier is announced by the Storyteller and is executed. The next day, Ronald the Flowergirl is announced and executed that day. Evil wins.

The Storyteller announces three players, none of which are executed that day. Evil wins.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by Paradox.

[latent pine]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-undertale-darkfountain-dark-fountain-gif-15617615746560535444

[half vine]

2nd timer demon just dropped

[neat verge]

Why “at least 1 evil” and not “1 is evil”

[half vine]

noble pings are strong

[latent pine]

So its not a Noble pintg

[neat verge]

*role Noble

[digital oasis]

Noble (Townsfolk) - Experimental

You start knowing 3 players, 1 and only 1 of which is evil.

**Affects Setup: **False

[frank brook]

bishop demon

no way

[neat verge]

1 & only 1

[latent pine]

Also if the game continues, youve confirmed who is good

[latent pine]

Because if the 1 evil player is executed, you know the othe 2 are hard confirmed good

[reef veldt]

So the st can put the entire evil team in 2 days in a row

[latent pine]

you dont if its possible for 2 or even 3 evils to be in the ping

[half vine]

this is the real answer

[neat verge]

No I was trying to say it wasn’t needed because the 1 & only 1 precedent is there

[half vine]

that's for emphasis

and if it was just "1 is evil" there could be room for it to be misread

this is clearest

[neat verge]

Oh

[half vine]

i'll get the jinx list up once i cross out some spoiler stuff on there

[haughty turret]

FIRE

[blissful tapir]

Water and or blood actually

[latent pine]

I did vote for this fo a reaso :)

[neat verge]

Shouldn’t it be “declare the game is over and the other team has won”?

[haughty turret]

Ok so we've got matsuraid then majorix then sanctuary, what's next in the pipeline

[latent pine]

🐦

[keen crystal]

I was just about to say get 4 different peoples' day 3 timer demons and put them together

[neat verge]

You swap characters with executees’ nominators

[latent pine]

(if you know the meaning, you know)

[neat verge]

I have 1 with this

[haughty turret]

I can't tell what this is is it yours

[half vine]

i'd say red bird, rose bird, rose bride, but that's day 4, so 😔

[keen crystal]

also I can't wait to see scripts if you've made any with these

[latent pine]

I did sorta do this (not quite cause Ketos is on it)

[half vine]

alright, here's the jinx list atm

[latent pine]

Procyon's Sterenae works for the 3 days thing

[haughty turret]

Ketos is a 3 day timer if ur good :sotrue:

[keen crystal]

ooh some of these jinxes are spicy

[latent pine]

The best 3 day timer if you're good. You dont have to pay anything other than Being Good

[half vine]

some stuff here is subject to change, such as princess/sanctuary which could very likely change. we'll probably also implement a summoner/sanctuary jinx at some point, but we haven't crafted one just yet

[keen crystal]

I don't know if exorcist sanctuary is fire in practice but it looks fire

[haughty turret]

I love the exo jinx

[crystal kite]

Exorcist jinx is funny

[crystal kite]

I fear Ketos is evil 🙈

[neat verge]

@half vine wait if there’s 2 Sanctuaries can I give 2 seperate lists of 3 people

[latent pine]

wait... how does Sanctuary Roi Faineant work?

[half vine]

no

[keen crystal]

ooh I hadn't seen this one before but it does sound pretty cool with other timers like this

[latent pine]

Its a good timer. and also it was made before the Riot update

Also... conductor Sanctuary. Thats a funny idea :)

but dont

[half vine]

i think the conductor interaction you're all sleeping on is vampire but we're not ready to have that conversation just yet

[latent pine]

doesnt that mean the Thrall just knows they are the THrall?

[half vine]

it doesn't work at all but it's funny as hell

[latent pine]

Athiest Conductor :)

(doesnt work but is funny)

[half vine]

faking conductor stuff is a funny move in an atheist game, but as for the atheist's own setup text? uhhh

[blissful tapir]

Wake up a player and ask them to leave (they were evil)

[latent pine]

Also weirldy, Roi Faineant Conductor is arguably the Vamp Conductor interesaton but fucntional

[keen crystal]

idk I think it might be really silly for one game if you run it like the whole evil team being politicians where they'll flip to good if the ST is exe'd

[shut forum]

aw its not the 🥰 one

still its cool

[latent pine]

Bhamber is againt deconversion confirmed

[ember cargo]

Kris the Marionette

🔥

[keen crystal]

I don't know if that was intentional but I noticed it and it's fire

[half vine]

i'm often very intentional with the words that i type :)

[latent pine]

not these ones tho

/j.

[neat verge]

It isn’t needed

Atheist can do that on its own

Remember

Atheist is just

The Storyteller might break the game rules, even if you are dead.

The setup text and wincon means nothing when you can just have a wincon be

“Execute this specific Minion and then this specific Townsfolk”

[blissful tapir]

Yo Brewers! Come join us in running Blood & Blossoms! A script shining Augur, Rose Bride, and the new Sanctuary that channels your puzzling and social skills into executing the right player for your team! #event-listings message

[night birch]

Do I get to be the asshole who tells you Augur isn’t in SAO

[latent pine]

I mean, you have my permission :)

[night birch]

Okay

@half vine you smell

You put augur too low in SAO

Sort your scripts nerd

[normal quest]

looks like SPO (cannibal is in the wrong place)

[blissful tapir]

yeah can't believe bhamber made such a bad script out of order omg lol stinky fool!

-# shhhh ignore that I made

Ah i forgot to move Fish up here nevermind

[half vine]

I'd prefer not to be blamed for Paradox's decisions here, thanks.

[blissful tapir]

i think y'all should go play in the scheduled as an apology

[normal quest]

gonna try

[half vine]

less than 3 hours until release :D

[pale dove]

This is gonna be the BEST release

I feel it in these bones I have

[haughty turret]

Can you give me my bones back

I was using those

[half vine]

crap i gotta change the release order now so that you're correct

[pale dove]

Not until I've done my grim work

[half vine]

if outsider gets 0 votes the release today is cancelled

me and paradox don't count on the poll cause we can't be released

[normal quest]

lets call his bluff

[half vine]

thems the rules, sadly

[normal quest]

they have a release schedule lets mess it up

[half vine]

3 minutes left on poll

[blissful tapir]

The Paradox option is I make one up on the spot

[half vine]

i can't lie i am very curious but sadly any votes on you are the equivalent to exclusively legion voting

[neat verge]

1 minute

Blackmail

End now

[blissful tapir]

This release is very cool I’m happy we got to make it :3

[half vine]

oh hey look someone voted for outsider

ignore when it says paradox won

[neat verge]

Not enough

[neat verge]

Bhamber used illegal vote tampering

: (

Release Paradox

[half vine]

"And remember - snitches get stiches."

causing many problems, it's...

Hooligan (Outsider)

Players mad about being the same character as another might become a Hooligan (once) or die. [Any Outsiders might be Hooligans]

The Hooligans cause trouble.

• During set-up, if there are multiple Outsiders, any amount of them can be a Hooligan. There can still be other Outsiders.
• If two or more players are mad they are the same character whilst any Hooligan lives, any of those players might die or become a Hooligan.
• A player can only become a Hooligan once during a game. They are informed of this on the first night they can be.
• The Hooligan's ability can kill players or turn a player into the Hooligan during the day and at night.

HOW TO RUN
While setting up the game, before putting the character tokens in the bag, replace any Outsider tokens with Hooligan tokens.

If multiple players are mad about being the same character, replace one of their character tokens with the Hooligan or kill any of them. If you turn a player into the Hooligan, mark them with the JOINED reminder—you may no longer turn a player into the Hooligan.

EXAMPLES
The Storyteller is setting-up an 12 player game. With a Xaan in play, they have three Hooligan tokens and one Mutant token in the bag.

On the first day, Lionel the Hooligan declares his character. Fara the Baron also declares that she is the Hooligan. Fara becomes the Hooligan and Lionel dies.

Alan, Cameron, Hettie, and Sammy are all Hooligans. Hettie is mad she is the Hooligan on the first day while the others are mad about being other characters. On the second day, Hettie is now mad she is the Fortune Teller while Sammy is mad that they are the Hooligan. On the third day, both Sammy and Cameron are mad they are the Hooligan - both of them die.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-roll-rolling-gif-9052103

[blissful tapir]

THE BOTC HOOLIGAN IS HERE

[half vine]

paradox's beloved favourite speculatory name hooligan has become real

[neat verge]

Welp

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[half vine]

rejoice, crowd

here's the official Hooligan release script

[frank brook]

psycho golem

[half vine]

we're trying to gain favour with steven

[neat verge]

Ok Demon becomes Hooligan

[normal quest]

it took me a second to realize that this applies to the hooligans themselves

its so peak

[neat verge]

🔥

[normal quest]

be a good storyteller and not a bad one

[half vine]

and that's where it clicks :D

[neat verge]

Be the latter not the former :real:

[half vine]

you can only have one outed hooligan claim until deaths start to roll in

and on scripts where you really need to control tempo, that gets pretty damn deadly

[normal quest]

and the starting hooligan(s) dont know how many there are or when a change happens

[neat verge]

Where’s Pixie

[half vine]

and hooligans don't get hard confirmed cause there could be an evil hiding out among any hooligan claims

all death confirms is that there is a hooligan, but not how many and not who

[normal quest]

its cool with alhad! it doesnt have the typical problem you might find where an outsider is this mechanically loud bc there can be a bunch and evils could be in there

[half vine]

having a nice vacation in belize

[neat verge]

I want to spawn Pixies to cause multiple deaths in a Hooligan game

Nothing happened trust sweats

[blissful tapir]

It’s a character that also needs a good suite to spotlight it - baron, Xaan, Cerenovus etc

[frank brook]

cerenovus hooligan seems incredibly strong for evil

[normal quest]

oh cerenovus is fucked up

[neat verge]

No

What you need is Pixie

[blissful tapir]

The wonderous “might”

[normal quest]

idk i dont like the idea of putting players into that position in the first place

stuck between two pentalties, ST in total control over how you're punished

[half vine]

to some people that sounds like a great time but i can see why that might be unappealing

oh and i can share the full jinx lists now

[normal quest]

why is the sanctuary grandma jinx different to the levi-gma jinx

[frank brook]

by "they gain their ability" in the rb/sanc stowaway jinxes: does this mean the stowaway gets the trav ability? they don't choose who?

[half vine]

think of it as "uses their ability"

[frank brook]

or should it say "uses their ability"

got it

ty bee hamber 🫡 ur the goat

[normal quest]

yeah i think it should be "uses their ability" like rk/sage

[blissful tapir]

Bat actually

[half vine]

cause there's a bit more execution potential in sanctuary

[normal quest]

fair

[half vine]

mmm i copied from banshee was the thing

will be updated soon

[normal quest]

yeah i see that

[normal quest]

weird to me that whats supposed to be gma's downside confirms the pair in a sanc game

[half vine]

that's a valid point yeah

[normal quest]

i think it should still be "good loses" since its not like the grandchild is the only option for execution

[half vine]

once we finish BB2 releases we'll post all the jinx sheets together with some additional and updated jinxes

[normal quest]

are there more releases?

[half vine]

9 releases across monday to sunday

we've still got 4 to go

[normal quest]

ic

[half vine]

these upcoming ones won't be polled

[civic rapids]

if sanctuary is so cool why isn’t there-

[shut forum]

🥰

[normal quest]

does "safe" with sanc/innk and sanc/monk mean they cant be learned by all the next day?

with sanc/mayor, is "final day" when a player of each alignment has been executed?

[half vine]

final day would specifically be looking at that fabled third day yeah

[blissful tapir]

And being announced isn’t a harmful effect

[half vine]

well depending on who you ask 🤔

but nah it's not harmful

[normal quest]

actually i think levi has more execution potential? here the game ends after 3 executions no matter what, but in levi if you keep executing evils youre chill

wow i cant type today

[half vine]

it's okay you have good enough points to where i can overlook it

paradox however, damn his typos......

but yeah sanct/grammy will highly likely be updated

[normal quest]

yippee

[blissful tapir]

The edit function is good

[half vine]

and yet you keep all the bhamvers of the world?

[normal quest]

vhamver

[blissful tapir]

:3

Hey my phone’s gotten to the stage where it recognises and autofills bhamber now

[half vine]

damn that's so beautiful

[normal quest]

my phone has decided that "lot" isnt a word and is in fact an acronym that must always be lowercase so even when i have caps lock on if i try to swipetext "LOT" (ie "I DO THAT A LOT") it comes out lowercase

[neat verge]

Bhambers

[normal quest]

one was enough

[half vine]

lowercase of typhon

[normal quest]

TRUE

[keen crystal]

this char is really interesting ngl

it does really interesting things to bait roles I must admit (more people should play bait roles loud anyways)

[blissful tapir]

“Magica there is the goodest of good because I the Stewa-“
“Magica has died”
“Oh…uh…”

[keen crystal]

sigh

I can't wait to punish a starting hooligan by turning them into the hooligan again, serves them right

[normal quest]

can a psychopath who swings and kills ever be mad as anything else to be affected by the hooligans

ig if they can push a world where they swung as a bit and the target was affected by hooliganism

[keen crystal]

is your intent with this that hooligans should generally die for claiming hooligan so that they almost function like mutants themselves?

[civic rapids]

evil players intentionally putting themselves through weird pseudo-roleswaps to kill people through hooligan

“double claim people to make them die” is a 🔥 strat

[half vine]

provided there's more than one, yeah

[half vine]

if they really wanna do that they can, it's mechanically possible

[finite blade]

There is an Al-Hadikhia, a Psychopath, a Hooligan, 3 Village Idiots, a Princess, and a Fisherman in play. On the first day, the Al-Hadikhia and the drunk Village Idiot are both mad that they are the Village Idiot. When the Psychopath chooses to kill the Hooligan, the ST decides to turn the drunk Village Idiot into the Hooligan before the original Hooligan dies. However, this new Hooligan is nominated and executed by the Princess that day, so on the second day, when the other 2 Village Idiots start being mad as the Village Idiot, the ST cannot kill either one because no Hooligan lives.

[normal quest]

i hadnt even considered vi hooligan whoaaa

[grand steppe]

this proposes the question:
How many Hooligan tokens are there?

3?

[neat verge]

10

[grand steppe]

More?

[keen crystal]

gang watch out all info will be poisoned on night 8 from the xaan

[normal quest]

9 so you can do oops all hooligans in a 15p arbitrary omod game

[half vine]

5, maybe 6

[grand steppe]

yeah, 5 makes sense because you rarely go over 4 outsiders then +1 for the hooligan ability

[half vine]

indeed

[grand steppe]

also, this makes Baron Fang Gu with 4 on-script outsiders work

[blissful tapir]

4

Wait no 5 yeah

I wouldn’t print 6 if I were TPI

Because it would be average 4 outsider scripts +1 turn

[grand steppe]

printing 6 is like printing 13 Legion tokens

[half vine]

yeah so 5

[blissful tapir]

There are 12? 13 legion?

I forget

[grand steppe]

12 legion tokens

[half vine]

honestly 11 would be enough there

[blissful tapir]

11 Holligan tokens it is

[half vine]

🔥

[blissful tapir]

And 5 Hooligan

[grand steppe]

The more I think about this one the better it gets

[half vine]

yippee!

[fringe pumice]

Hooligan was one that I’ve waited for for a bit now

But the old version was more punishing iirc

[half vine]

it used to be execution instead of death with no limit on extra hooligans

but yeah that was just way too damaging

[shut forum]

hooligan is the best thing to have come out of bb2

[pale dove]

I knew it

Hystrex can have his bones back

[plain pivot]

let me get uhh boneless hystrex with a 2 litre coke

[haughty turret]

Thanks!! I have bones again

[haughty turret]

Wait wait no---

[crystal kite]

2 hours

[half vine]

just 10 mins now!

"The glory of the hunt beckons - to reject is cowardice. Cowardice begets punishment."

readying their aim, it's...

Ricarnis (Demon)

Each night*, choose an alive player: they die. If they do not, their neighbors die instead. You cannot die at night.

The Ricarnis becomes stronger when their victims survive.

• If the player the Ricarnis chooses does not die in any way, that player's clockwise and counterclockwise neighbors die if they are alive, regardless of their alignment.
• If the Ricarnis chooses a player that does not die and their neighbors also do not die, the Ricarnis does not kill anyone else.
• The Ricarnis does not die if they choose themself or a neighbor that does not die. They also cannot die by any other means at night.

HOW TO RUN
Each night except the first, wake the Ricarnis. They point at any alive player. That player dies. If the player the Ricarnis chooses does not die for any reason, mark the chosen player's neighbors with DEAD reminder tokens—they die.

EXAMPLES
On the second night, the Ricarnis chooses Steve the Soldier. Steve's neighbors - Kylie the Assassin and Harry the Chambermaid - die tonight.

Jeremy the Ricarnis neighbors Bill, who is dead, and Olivia. That night, Jeremy chooses himself. Olivia dies.

On the third night, Lily the Innkeeper chooses Troy and Alex, her nearest clockwise neighbors. That night, Clint the Ricarnis chooses Troy. Lily dies, but Troy and Alex do not.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-split-arrow-bullseye-gif-14322032

[half vine]

the inverse, in this case!

[neat verge]

Oh wow

[half vine]

just 3 characters remain left to release, and these ones are gonna be crazy

[blissful tapir]

Woah woah don’t get ahead of yourself bhamver

Let Ricarnis have its moment

[neat verge]

When will there be another Traveller

[blissful tapir]

It’s one of the older characters we’ve had and so glad it got its release :3

[half vine]

big batch 3 at the earliest

[neat verge]

We are hungry

Give

:CatGun:

[blissful tapir]

Why not relish in how cool Ricarnis is :D

Monk protections become dangerous lol

[keen crystal]

this is pretty interesting, it completely shakes up how a monk would want to play

also fire art

[neat verge]

Each night*, choose an alive player: they die & if not, their neighbours die instead. You can’t die at night.

Would this be awkward?

[keen crystal]

not convinced this was designed after you accidentally attacked a TL protected player and lost because of it

[neat verge]

@half vine would this be a fine alternative wording

[half vine]

in my opinion it reads clunkier than what we've got, and it's not quite as clear

[blissful tapir]

When I can I’ll post 2 scripts for Pharaoh, Hooligan, Ricarnis and more :3

[half vine]

you better not be including the as-of-now unreleaseds in that

[neat verge]

Give

[blissful tapir]

Who knows 😎

[fringe pumice]

Question

If a neighbour doesn’t die

[latent pine]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-jump-scare-gif-11948948

[latent pine]

Bhamber coming for Paradox

[fringe pumice]

Does the next player die

[half vine]

nope

the ricarnis kill only bounces for the one they choose

[blissful tapir]

Bro didn’t read the almanac 😔

[half vine]

al my nacs, gone

[ember cargo]

this is peak I'm afraid

[blissful tapir]

Don’t be scared

[plain pivot]

That's very hype

[fringe pumice]

Um acc I did, it just wasn’t clear enough

[hazy kindle]

It's explicitly the second bullet point

I think Luis can't read

[fringe pumice]

Oh fucking hell

[half vine]

6 hours until today's release, and it's one that i'm super duper excited for

i'd call it one of the most defining characters of this batch

[fringe pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1089632027504025640/1386820815508471868/Soldier.gif

[elfin ginkgo]

oh wait the ricarnis is a splitting arrow

aura

[half vine]

it's representative of how it attacks, the first arrow only hits the ground, but they then use it to split the next and hit the neighbours

[elfin ginkgo]

god thats so based

bhamber my goat

[half vine]

also reminder that we've got an RB/Sanctuary scheduled coming up in 5 hours, consider signing up!
#event-listings message

[half vine]

only 50 minutes remain!

[ember cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-3398162314833221578

[half vine]

"As ol’ Robin Hood says, take from the rich, give to the poor - that don’t stop with people in the grave! But, seein’ as you’re dead and all, surely you’ll spare a penny or two… or three…"

Not to be confused with Ferryman, it's...

Merry Man (Minion)

On the final day, dead players lose their vote token (if they have it) or gain a vote token (if they don't), even if dead.

The Merry Man redistributes vote tokens.

• All dead players are affected by the Merry Man, regardless of their alignment or when their vote was used.
• The Merry Man's ability functions even if they are dead, but not when they are drunk or poisoned.
• The final day is the day that the Storyteller thinks is most likely to be the last day of the game – the day where, if the Demon is not executed, evil will win. This most likely means the day with only 3 living players remaining.

HOW TO RUN
At the start of the final day, declare that "wealth has been redistributed" or something similar. Ask all players to remove vote tokens from players who have them and give vote tokens to players who do not have one, even if the Merry Man is dead.

EXAMPLES
In a nine player game, only the Merry Man and the Washerwoman have used their vote tokens. When three players live, the Storyteller announces that it is the final day. The Merry Man and Washerwoman regain their vote tokens and all other dead players lose theirs.

There is no Merry Man in play. When four players live, the Demon claims to be the Undertaker that saw a Merry Man last night, leading to all dead good players using their vote token that day. Evil wins because good no longer has the votes needed to execute the Demon.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/got-any-change-gif-15245971689009273644

but also YEAAAAAAAAA been WAITING for this one 🔥