#Brewulation & Boilers [β]

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half vine
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which player they'd most want the demon to be, which minion they'd most want to be

peak furnace
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in LoT just allow them to only switch with a not-edge minion

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impossible in 1 minion tho

keen crystal
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banker is awesome!

ionic drift
elfin ginkgo
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wait peak

blissful tapir
true knoll
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More like Banger

This is so awesome. I always have ~2-3 new players in my in-person group and I will 100% be running this regularly

chilly wren
normal quest
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why do you give bluffs to the old demon? i feel like a sequence of demon decides on swap or not -> if not, learns bluffs / if so, goes to sleep and new demon learns bluffs isn’t all that unreasonable runtime-wise and makes more sense

half vine
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i don't mind people running the swap pre-bluffs however, and if you do so let me know how it goes

half vine
blissful tapir
fringe pumice
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rigged

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we should be able to vote for quaints too

blissful tapir
fringe pumice
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you hate fun smh

blissful tapir
fringe pumice
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mods ban this guy

peak furnace
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Hi I am mods

normal quest
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they’re not the demon

half vine
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helps them get more confident with it, i'd hope

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still i'll think on it

elfin ginkgo
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hmmm

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i euv

normal quest
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which is Gonna be picked up socially

half vine
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yeah that's fair

normal quest
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i don’t think passing bluffs out is an important experience that will particularly help build confidence

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it’s just. homework

blissful tapir
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One argument is that Banker happens after Demon Info

normal quest
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yeah of course you can argue that

half vine
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that's irrelevant the how to run determines the how to run

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this is a question of what's better not of what's more correct or whatever

normal quest
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yeah if the ruling sucks you get to change the ruling

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it’s your damn character

half vine
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i think the biggest argument for the original demon still having bluffs is to give them that extra bit of support but the drawbacks with it are quite apparent

normal quest
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at the cost of taking away the support from the player who ACTUALLY needs it

blissful tapir
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May I offer you a pig in these trying times

peak furnace
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The biggest support is losing pressure of denonhood not bluffs

half vine
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updated the htr, the new demon gets the bluffs now

ionic drift
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also, just to add, in my experience most irl games will usually see most evil players going for bluffs before they get a chance to chat with their team

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that's why the Demon gets the bluffs. It's not just that they're distributing the bluffs, they are often the only player with bluffs

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and that makes things a lot worse for them if the Demon isn't the 1 player with bluffs

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like, I know it would be useless online because of how much of a private chat meta there is, but irl I feel like "The Minion gets bluffs instead of the Demon" would be a very viable Townsfolk

fringe pumice
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(it’s certainly one that i’ve messed with)

elfin ginkgo
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i had it on slopnight

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but felt underpowered

ionic drift
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did you play online?

blissful tapir
elfin ginkgo
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it was holding together some other bullshit

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so like

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it was bullshit

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but like

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slop be slop

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it was like ummm

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Minions get 1 bluff each instead of the Demon.

blissful tapir
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Oh yeah reporter or something, bleh

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@void oar

ionic drift
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that's probably why it was weak

elfin ginkgo
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paradox

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why do you hate me

blissful tapir
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What happened to the old one?

wintry saddle
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how much have you ran crabber?

blissful tapir
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Not much, like 1-2 games

wintry saddle
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how's it felt?

blissful tapir
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Would need more data to get a better feel but it didn’t feel “oh wait no this doesn’t work”

willow dirge
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Oh I missed this

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This is great

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Much more readable

half vine
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our first release today is in 10 minutes! not long after, our Loric will be our second release today!

blissful tapir
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loric won? darn

half vine
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"Never eat a group of clowns. You end up with too many inside jokes."

Call me Edwin, cause I made the...

Mimic (Outsider)

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The Mimic kills those that choose them, unbeknownst to even themself.

  • The Mimic draws a Townsfolk token from the bag, but is secretly the Mimic.
  • The Mimic has the ability of the Townsfolk they think they are.
  • Each night except the first, the Townsfolk who most recently chose the Mimic with their ability, dies.
  • This includes Townsfolk who choose during the day.

HOW TO RUN
While setting up the game, before putting character tokens in the bag, replace the Mimic token with a Townsfolk character token. Add the IS THE MIMIC reminder token to the Grimoire. Put the swapped Townsfolk character token in the bag, and not the Mimic token.

While preparing the first night, put the Mimic's IS THE MIMIC reminder token by any Townsfolk character token—they are now the Mimic, but still have that Townsfolk's ability. They do not know they are the Mimic.

Whenever a Townsfolk chooses the Mimic, whether at night or during the day, mark them with CHOSEN reminder.

Each night, except the first, the Townsfolk marked CHOSEN dies.

EXAMPLES
On the second night, the Monk chooses the Mimic. The Monk dies that night.

Ciara the Mimic thinks they are the Banshee. On the second night, the Xaan is poisoning all Townsfolk. That night, Ciara is killed by the Demon. All players learn that the Banshee has died.

On the first night, John the Dreamer chooses the Mimic. On the second night, Ray the Gambler chooses the Mimic, then Esther the Cerenovus chooses the Mimic. Ray dies.

Albert the Village Idiot chooses the Mimic. The next night, the Demon kills the Mimic. Albert does not die.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

half vine
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Loric?

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Loric

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ventriloquist

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we'll be back in another 10 mins to drop the Loric!

blissful tapir
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<@&1440818085518119083> Surely it's just a token right? Surely it's not the Mimic?

crystal kite
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Oo, this sounds fun

frank brook
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"call me Edwin" 🗣️🗣️

crystal kite
ionic drift
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hey so uhh

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second example

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why...

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oh!

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They have the ability, got it

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but they're still an Outsider so--
Ok!

placid prism
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mimic hella cool

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rad af

ionic drift
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I'd maybe just add another example of like, a Mimic Slayer shooting the Demon or smth

blissful tapir
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Yeah they are an outsider so not poisoned by the Xaan and have the banshee ability so trigger it if the demon kills them

half vine
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"Bundle of arrows, bundle of arrows for ya! Take as many as you need and let's go Demon huntin'!"

You spin me right round baby right round, it's the...

Fletcher (Loric)

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The Fletcher is rotated at night to choose who gets an effect the next day.

  • The Fletcher token is placed in the Town Square, with the icon pointing to a player's life token of the Storyteller's choice.
  • Each night, the Storyteller announces an effect.
  • This effect may be anything, and may be helpful or unhelpful.
  • Players who wake that night may rotate the Fletcher's token to the next clockwise life token, once, twice, or thrice.
  • At dawn, the player whose life token the Fletcher points at, has that effect from now on.

HOW TO RUN
While setting up the game, place the Fletcher's token in the centre of the Town Square, pointing at a player's life token of your choice.

Each night, decide an effect and announce it to all players.

That night, whenever a player wakes, they may rotate the Fletcher's token to point at the next clockwise player's life token one, two, or three times.

At dawn, mark whichever player the Fletcher points at with the EFFECT reminder—they have that effect.

It is a good idea to add a timeframe, such as "until dawn", to effects you announce. This makes it easier to run each effect and helps with game balance.

EXAMPLES

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The Storyteller announces the effect that the neighbors of the player the Fletcher points at are sober and healthy that day and night. The good team attempts to point the Fletcher at the Empath who learned a 0, but the Demon moves it past them when awake that night.

Tonight, the Fletcher's effect is that the player the Fletcher points at must declare the evil character they are, or if they are not one, any evil character. That dawn, the Fletcher points at the Imp, who declares they are the Imp. The next night, the Storyteller announces the same effect. That dawn, the Fletcher points at the Steward, who declares they are Baron.

The Fletcher's effect is that the player they point at gains the Fisherman's ability. The Fletcher points at the Cerenovus, who gets the advice to tell the Kazali to not kill Ruth the Banshee.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

half vine
blissful tapir
half vine
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tomorrow we'll be hitting you all with another poll, this time featuring character types you actually know and love, so yeah we'll see you then 😎

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oh i'll also say now that the only day without a double-release is Friday so yeah you'll get the poll + an extra one tomorrow!

ember cargo
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PEAK!!!!

ember cargo
ember cargo
peak furnace
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BBbbfp just shows i need to play more in person

keen crystal
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both of those are very fun and interesting, I love the "drunk but you do have their ability" design space

wintry saddle
twilit prairie
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Yeah feels like it can just be used as a separate mechanic to confirm where players have moved it round.

blissful tapir
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That’s ok. It’s a Loric to change up the game. If players begin over-analysing the turns then make the effects less useful or more evil-sided. Maybe an optional rule that the ST can turn things if not enough woke or to hide roles.m

normal quest
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if the st can turn it then what’s the point of players having agency over it turning

blissful tapir
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That’s why I suggest Optional Rule 😄 Not the main focus but one used for groups optimising the intrigue out of it.

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Plus it’s if you wake for any reason. Perhaps add madness or character changing on.

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Maybe other shenanigans like wizard NWM amne to get players waking

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Essentially yeah we discussed it can be used as info but it’s not game-breaking. Useful for one team for sure like Hindu is but get involved more then

elfin ginkgo
half vine
keen crystal
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no way the characters in the poll are a star's edge reference

ember cargo
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TRUE!

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the people are celebrating

void oar
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Great

ember cargo
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omg its a tie rn

blissful tapir
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I guess in a tie we rejease both so… go vote!

half vine
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you say that like it'll make them choose one over the other

blissful tapir
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I just want more votes :3

ember cargo
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the tie is broken

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we must save the tie

void oar
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Tie is unbroken

half vine
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poll ends in 10 minutes

jade nova
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tie successful 😎

half vine
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you know what's crazy i don't think this is even the first time the poll has tied this way

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i oughta stop rewarding you all for this type of behaviours but eh why not

half vine
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Character Type! For Today's First Release!

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"Those of you who are strong, and brave, and willing to risk your lives for the greatest good... stand alongside me! Alongside my holy hammer! Together, we can protect this town from these demonic forces! United, we can combat this darkness with our holy light!"

Their shield may not be depicted but they probably still have it, it's...

Paladin (Townsfolk)

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The Paladin protects all but two.

  • Each night except the first, the Paladin chooses two players.
  • Those players, and the Paladin themselves, are the only players who can die tonight.
  • The Demon knows which two players the Paladin chooses each night.
  • The Paladin may only choose alive players.
  • The Paladin may choose themself.
  • Players protected by the Paladin are safe from all death that night, not just from the Demon.

HOW TO RUN
Each night, except the first, wake the Paladin. They choose any two alive players. Besides the Paladin, those are the only two players that can die tonight—mark them with the CHOSEN reminder. Put the Paladin to sleep.

Wake the Demon, show the Paladin token. Point to the two players chosen by the Paladin. Then the Demon acts as normal.

EXAMPLES
Betty the Paladin chooses Mary and Lloyd. That night, the Demon chooses to kill Pierre. Pierre does not die.

After learning the Paladin chose Jenny and Carla, the Demon chooses to kill Jenny. Jenny dies.

Penelope the Paladin chooses Juan and Zach. The Demon chooses to kill Penelope. Penelope dies.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by Paradox.

half vine
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Outsider in 8 minutes!

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<@&1440818085518119083> hopefully the ping works now! let's see

crystal kite
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It worked

half vine
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wtf they cancelled the northernlion supercruise

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crazy

blissful tapir
half vine
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"Don't worry, the scientists say that my third arm, second nose, fifth eye, and the finger on my forehead aren't a cause of concern, and that they're not contagious at all."

I was crazy once, because of...

Lab Rat (Outsider)

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Lab Rats mutate unknown Outsider abilities into other players.

  • If a Lab Rat dies, tonight, another player becomes a Lab Rat.
  • Lab Rats created through the Lab Rat's ability have the ability of a not-in-play Outsider.
  • They have that ability in addition to their own Lab Rat ability.
  • Lab Rats cannot have the same extra ability as another Lab Rat.
  • Lab Rats do not know which Outsider ability they have.
  • Starting Lab Rats do not have any additional abilities.
  • Any player (except for Lab Rats themselves) can become a Lab Rat, regardless of if they are good, evil, alive, or dead.

HOW TO RUN
If a Lab Rat dies, mark them with the MUTATION TONIGHT reminder.

During that night, turn the character of any player (not a Lab Rat) into a Lab Rat, and inform that player of this. Place a not-in-play Outsider token next to that player—they have that ability, but do not know this.

EXAMPLES
Brian is the starting Lab Rat and dies by execution. That night, Jesse the Monk becomes the Lab Rat with the Puzzlemaster ability. When the Demon kills Jesse, Walt the Poisoner becomes the Lab Rat with the Golem ability. Walt nominates himself and dies. That night, the dead Empath becomes the Lab Rat with the Recluse ability.

Mutant is on the script. Harold the Engineer becomes the Lab Rat with the Sweetheart ability. He claims to still be the Engineer. When he dies, Yvonne becomes the Lab Rat with the Mutant ability. The next day, she is executed when she says she became the Lab Rat. When Jolene becomes the Lab Rat, she knows she can't have the Mutant ability and claims to be the Lab Rat.

The only not-in-play Outsider is the Plague Doctor. When Millie the Lab Rat dies, Ray becomes the Lab Rat with the Plague Doctor ability. When he dies, Owen becomes the Lab Rat. Owen only has the Lab Rat ability.

John is the Snitch. When the Lab Rat dies, John becomes the Lab Rat with the Snitch ability. Each Minion gets three more bluffs.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by Paradox.

half vine
fringe pumice
half vine
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boom there's your townsfolk + outsider. next poll tomorrow, it'll still have townsfolk as an option cause we have a couple more townsfolks up our sleevies, and more options = more fun. see you then!

half vine
haughty turret
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Oooh

normal quest
haughty turret
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It's like hermit but good and not bad

ionic drift
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Farmer Outsider!

half vine
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my town is all rats and all farmers. help

placid prism
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LAB RAT IS COOL AS HELL

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Paladin is also gas fire flames

keen crystal
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wait Paladin is like so awesome I love it

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paladin picking themself to try and blend in and not look like the paladin 🔥

void oar
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Paladin its just incredible 😭😭😭😭

latent pine
blissful tapir
frank brook
half vine
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that example started as a pinky and the brain reference with brian meaning brain, but then i was like hmmm pinky would seem weird. jesse pinkyman. and if you've got jesse you need walter

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a lot of thought goes into this stuff

willow dirge
ember cargo
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i know dont go "this is like X" but this is the most creative rendition of "outsider that grows when they die" i've seen because it just gets way worse if you die

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this with hidden outsiders

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peak

mild schooner
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Lab Rat + mutant is some level of deranged

half vine
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i really like it with golem cause if you nominate someone and they live you go "well i guess i don't have the golem ability. unless. hm. surely not?"

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and then throw mutant into that and you're making it into an internal battle

peak furnace
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Whens the last Bbbbfpbb4 release

half vine
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it’ll be the second release on Sunday

rancid steeple
normal quest
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wait yeah i think that just works doesnt it

elfin ginkgo
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why are you a green mayor now

peak furnace
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Green >>>

haughty turret
civic rapids
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since you dont know you cant do that

violet topaz
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i mean, i assume you just cant

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its like those jank hermit drunk golem scripts

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but better, since it only applies if you got turned into a lab rat

blissful tapir
half vine
wintry saddle
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I'll make sure to put my own spin in mine tho

half vine
elfin ginkgo
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Bounty Hunter, Fearmonger, Lleech is crazy btw

peak furnace
void oar
silent ginkgo
half vine
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as in, drunk and lunatic? it'd be the same as becoming the drunk/lunatic by other means

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so if a player becomes a lab rat with the lunatic ability they think they're a demon now

ember cargo
blissful tapir
blissful tapir
half vine
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"With this final ingredient, tongue of sea-witch slain, I curse this pathetic town with the golden, unbreakable, perfect... SILENCE!"

Most of you are gonna hate this one, it's...

Enchantress (Minion)

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The Enchantress silences nominations.

  • Each day, when the Storyteller calls for nominations, players may no longer speak to each other.
  • Players may only speak again when the nominations phase has ended.
  • The Storyteller may still be spoken to privately.
  • To nominate, a player must point at another player, instead of announcing their nomination verbally.
  • Players may still only nominate once per day, and may only be nominated once per day.
  • Players may still make gestures and facial expressions during the nominations phase.
  • Players may not do public actions verbally, but may still mime them.
  • The Enchantress keeps their ability even if they are dead.

HOW TO RUN
Each day, when you call for nominations, even if the Enchantress is dead, also call for silence. From now until the end of the nominations phase, all players may no longer speak to each other.

If a player confidently and clearly points at another player, count it as them nominating that player.

EXAMPLES
The Boomdandy is about to die by execution. The Fisherman gets the advice to execute anyone else, although cannot communicate this verbally, and frantically nominates another player.

Players cannot agree on who should be executed today, and do not know who voted for which player because of the Organ Grinder.

To avoid the Enchantress, the Princess publicly discusses nominating & executing the Shugenja today before nominations open. The Psychopath kills the Princess.

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Icon by bhamber.

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Poll!

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minion

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fearmonger

half vine
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enchantress's intent is to push town discussion to before pre-noms phase, and to encourage a sort of more open discussion throughout the whole day, and then to have a real intense noms phase. i know communication disruption is a controversial thing, and yeah it's this character's whole thing. so uh yeah if you dislike it, it is what it is. but if you like it then yay yippee

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this is our only release for today so i'll be seeing you all tomorrow for another double release, and then another double release on sunday, which will conclude our fourth big batch

blissful tapir
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<@&1440818085518119083> 🤫

ionic drift
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Oooh I like this

lament matrix
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I like the parts which were bhamber's design went, while hating the parts paradox touched

blissful tapir
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No Raccoons were involved in the making of this character

grand steppe
normal quest
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i think i love this? i’ve always been a big fan of more open unstructured town time and this doesn’t exactly create that but it encourages something similar

willow dirge
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I love this

jade nova
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I want to see a game with this and Organ Grinder

blissful tapir
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“See”? 🤨

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Eyes closed 🙈

placid prism
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hm

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even if dead might be too cruel

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just have an OG drunk clause?

blissful tapir
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🙂‍↔️

placid prism
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:(

blissful tapir
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The one way to alleviate this is to have the pre-nomination phase be longer and the nomination phase shorter. (Ie end the day in like less than a minute or even 30s after a nomination)

placid prism
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what’s wrong with the drunk clause

blissful tapir
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Stinky

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Enchantress is above mortal intoxicants

normal quest
placid prism
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i suppose

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not a huge fan of today’s character but that does not stop my love for BBbbfP as a whole

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stay groovy

normal quest
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no one’s telling you to be a fan of everything

placid prism
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true!!!

onyx lotus
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peak nomination accusation

cinder lichen
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This + OG seems like peak clocktower

peak furnace
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Is this cooked

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void oar
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Arquitect its an outsider??????????

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Whaaat i was thinking they were a townfolk

blissful tapir
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It’s an Outsider rhat gets some info lol yeah. But it’s an Outsider because it’s much easier for it to become evil than to become good

elfin ginkgo
peak furnace
elfin ginkgo
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slop merchant

peak furnace
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Ok ill throw gambit on it

half vine
elfin ginkgo
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man this shit is FIRE

blissful tapir
elfin ginkgo
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wait what if this was "after the 1st nomination"

half vine
half vine
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just 5 minutes left on the poll!

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Character Type!

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Townsfolk

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alchemist

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"How the winds are laughing. They laugh with all their might. Laugh and laugh the whole day through, and half the summer's night."

The theming here is about turning a player into a cow and eating them. It's...

Grazier (Townsfolk)

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The Grazier reaps great reward if they protect their chosen player long enough.

  • The Grazier chooses a player on their first night.
  • If that player is good, they are drunk.
  • Each night, except the first, that player might die and swap characters with the Grazier.
  • The Grazier can only swap characters if their chosen player dies from their ability.
  • If the Grazier's chosen player is evil, they are not drunk and the Grazier cannot swap with them.
  • The Storyteller decides when the Grazier has done enough to earn the swap.

HOW TO RUN
On the first night, wake the Grazier. They choose a player—if they are good, mark them with the DRUNK reminder.

Each night, except the first, if you believe the Grazier has done enough this game to keep the player marked DRUNK alive, you may kill the Grazier's chosen player (mark them with the DEAD reminder) and swap their and the Grazier's character tokens. One at a time, show them the YOU ARE info token and the relevant character token, then put them to sleep.

EXAMPLES
Carl the Grazier chooses Fiona the good Noble. Fiona learns three good players. Most players believe Fiona is evil, but Carl just about convinces them to not execute Fiona. That night, Fiona dies and becomes the Grazier, while Carl becomes the Noble.

Jack the Grazier chooses Erin the Fortune Teller and declares this publicly. That night, the Demon kills Erin. Jack is unable to swap characters with Erin.

The Grazier chooses Kate the evil Boomdandy. Kate is not drunk and cannot die from the Grazier's ability, because she is evil.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

half vine
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next release in 4 minutes!

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<@&1440818085518119083> cow time, but stick around for our final Townsfolk of the batch!

crystal kite
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This looks interesting

fringe pumice
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icl this feels like a lot of downside and not much upside

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and that’s coming from me lmao

placid prism
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there’s definitely feels unintuitive but I can see the utility

fringe pumice
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definitely bc it’s two-way confirmation

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but i’d be lying if i said i wasn’t squinting to see it

half vine
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"NO, vomitoriums weren't actually used for purging food, and NO, iron maidens weren't ever used as a torture device, and YES, the Earth is actually flat, and NO, Vikings did not have horns on their helmets!"

Erm, actually, it's...

Historian (Townsfolk)

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The Historian quits if their knowledge becomes outdated.

  • The Historian may make a public statement at any time during the day.
  • They make make any amount of public statements during any given day, including zero.
  • Each night except the first, if the Historian's last statement was true but is now false, or false but is now true, the Historian loses their ability and the Storyteller informs them of this.
  • If the Historian's statement changes truth value, but the Historian makes a new statement before the end of the day, they do not lose their ability tonight.

HOW TO RUN
During the day, if the Historian declares they wish to use their ability, prompt them to make a definitive statement. Mark the Historian with the respective TRUE STATEMENT or FALSE STATEMENT reminder and remember their statement.

Each night, except the first, if the last public statement the Historian made was true but is now false, or false but is now true, wake the Historian. Show the THIS CHARACTER SELECTED YOU info token then the Historian token, then put the Historian to sleep. Mark the Historian with the NO ABILITY reminder.

EXAMPLES

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On the first day, Mathew the Historian publicly states that one of his alive neighbors is the Demon. Mathew's alive neighbors are the Steward and the Knight. The Steward is executed & Mathew now neighbors the Wraith. Mathew does not lose his ability. The following day, the Wraith is executed and the Ojo becomes Mathew's alive neighbor. Tonight, Mathew loses his ability and learns this.

The evil Scarlet Woman is nominated. Terry the Historian publicly states that only good players have been nominated today. Terry does not lose his ability that night. Tomorrow, only good players are nominated. Terry loses his ability that night

Arwell the Historian publicly states the Demon has not said the Storyteller's name this game. Later that day, Jenna the Demon says the Storyteller's name publicly. Immediately after, Arwell states that he has only voted for good today. That night, Arwell does not lose his ability.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

half vine
placid prism
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woah

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2!!!

half vine
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alright and now we're done for today

fringe pumice
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this is quite fun acc

half vine
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about Grazier, in return for the drunkenness, they get to indeed confirm each other, and i don't intend for it to land on death mod scripts really, meaning that the additional death will be confirmation to town most of the time. the original Grazier becoming their pick's character means that they've got a sober instance of that ability now, and everyone can trust that whatever comes from that ability is real

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of course though, we'll have to see how it balances out in practice

frank brook
normal quest
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i feel like by having the grazier be publicly confirmed like that they just eat shit and die the next night

half vine
frank brook
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those were my favorite parts of writing slopnight almanac wtf

peak furnace
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Oh id like json for historian if you have it

half vine
half vine
ionic drift
hasty schooner
chrome ravine
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Who the original grazier is isn't broadcast though

fringe pumice
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which is where the comparison comes from

elfin ginkgo
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cuz then you get to reuse the ability

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so it’s kinda like a pixie sidegrade

void oar
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We are so eager to have a Choose your own steward ping character

half vine
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might do our first release today early 🤔

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yeah first release in 29 minutes

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and then 15 minutes after that, our final release for the batch

ember cargo
half vine
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(check out mine and Delta's Knaves Knaves scheduled duology)
#event-listings message

elfin ginkgo
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btw what’s the heavier icon

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grazier

half vine
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cowbell

elfin ginkgo
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aren’t they trapezoid

half vine
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depends on the cowbell

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this cowbell is based off a very specific one

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"NECESSARY SAMPLES: EXTRACTED. COMMENCING REPLICATION PROCEDURE."

As seen in Jurassic Park, it's Mister...

Deanae (Demon)

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The Deanae replicates itself.

  • Each night except the first, a player becomes Deanae.
  • Any player can become Deanae, regardless of their character type or alignment.
  • After a player becomes Deanae, an alive neighbor of each living Deanae dies.
  • The Storyteller decides in which order Deanae kill.
  • If an alive player is executed, their team loses.

HOW TO RUN
Each night, except the first, wake an alive player. Show them the YOU ARE info token and a Deanae character token, then put them to sleep. Replace their previous character token with a Deanae character token.

Afterwards, kill an alive neighbor of each living Deanae—mark them with DEAD reminder tokens. You may do this in any order, including killing a Deanae before they would kill tonight.

If an alive player is executed, declare that the game is over and which team has won.

EXAMPLES
Robert is good. On the second night, Robert becomes Deanae. Robert is still good. One of Robert's neighbors dies, and one of Denise the Deanae's neighbors dies.

Five players are alive. Mario and Emmett are both good Deanae, and that night, Peter the evil Wizard becomes Deanae. Mario is one of Emmett's alive neighbors, and dies. Then, Mario becomes Peter's alive neighbor. Mario dies. In the morning, only three players live.

Most players correctly believe that Thomas the Godfather is evil, and plan to execute him tomorrow. That night, one of Thomas' neighbors becomes Deanae, and Thomas dies.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

half vine
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<@&1440818085518119083> release 1 of 2!

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last one in 13 minutes

frank brook
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wait is this pronounced DNA

jade nova
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Dee-A-Nay is how ive defaulted to

twilit prairie
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That's a crazy ability

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Took a sec to clock that they don't become evil too.

elfin ginkgo
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like what is the cook

ember cargo
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game goes way faster but good can win immediately once they find an evil player

blissful tapir
ember cargo
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yes but i'm guessing evil players will be kept alive if possible due to "good cant win" reasons

blissful tapir
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your guess is as good as ours lol

twilit prairie
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You have 1/4 chance after the second night just purely off the ability so would be interesting to see how balanced it is.

blissful tapir
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but yeah make sure 1 evil player lives at least

jade nova
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has this been tested?

elfin ginkgo
half vine
elfin ginkgo
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i think

jade nova
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the exponential effect of this seems volatile to me at first glance

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so that i cant rly tell if i like it 😭

twilit prairie
half vine
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it's absolute slopdemon we can only hope it works

blissful tapir
ember cargo
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i was trying this concept in my head 2 days ago and I couldn't really get smth I liked

jade nova
elfin ginkgo
blissful tapir
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hence why we can, will, and have changed things 🙂‍↕️

ember cargo
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but i do enjoy this execution of it

elfin ginkgo
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they would just say so

jade nova
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im curious what a script around this would look like

ember cargo
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faster game, easier win condition

elfin ginkgo
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yeah tbh this feels like

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it would go hard

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as a timer demon

blissful tapir
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it is a timer demon

half vine
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yeah lol

elfin ginkgo
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so i’m correct

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so i’m right

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and i’m being shamed

blissful tapir
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yeah but

elfin ginkgo
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fuck my drag

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nah you’re right i’m chopped liver

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i’m chopped and i’m a liver

twilit prairie
half vine
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"If I cannot look into your eyes, why should you be able to look into mine?"

It's look who it is! It's...

Dullahan (Minion)

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The Dullahan poisons Townsfolk if no info is sacrificed.

  • At night, whenever a player would learn info, they may close or cover their eyes first, even if the Dullahan is not in play.
  • If a player closes or covers their eyes, they do not learn that info.
  • Players do not have to cover their eyes when waking if it is not to learn info.
  • Once per game, if no Townsfolk covered their eyes when learning info, the Dullahan may choose to poison all Townsfolk tomorrow day and night.
  • If there were no Townsfolk who learned info tonight, the Dullahan does not wake to poison.

HOW TO RUN
Before you would show a Townsfolk info at night, give them a moment to close or cover their eyes, even if the Dullahan is not in play.

If a Townsfolk covers their eyes, mark the Dullahan with the DOES NOT WAKE reminder.

Each night, just before dawn, if all Townsfolk chose not to cover their eyes before learning info, wake the Dullahan. If they nod their head, all Townsfolk are poisoned tomorrow day and night—mark the Dullahan with the TOWNSFOLK POISONED reminder.

After that day and night, remove the reminder and mark the Dullahan with the NO ABILITY reminder.

If a Townsfolk covers their eyes when they shouldn't, such as when they need to make a choice, wake them again.

EXAMPLES
Mike, Rich, and Jay, are all Village Idiots. On the first night, they are the only Townsfolk who learn information. None of them choose to cover their eyes, but the Dullahan chooses not to poison all Townsfolk. On the second night, Rich chooses to cover his eyes. On the third night, none of them cover their eyes, and the Dullahan chooses to poison all Townsfolk tomorrow day and night.

On the first night, no Townsfolk wake to learn info. The Dullahan does not wake to poison all Townsfolk.

The Dullahan is not in play. On the first night, the General covers their eyes. On the second, the Empath does. On the third night, the Empath and the Town Crier cover their eyes.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by Paradox.

half vine
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alright, it's finished! BB4 is over!

jade nova
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ooh very cool

crystal kite
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yep

jade nova
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is the icon meant to be a spine whip?

twilit prairie
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Very fun

half vine
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yep

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i'll get a jinx list for BB4 done in the next couple days hopefully, at which point i'll post it here

elfin ginkgo
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bro what happened to waiting 15 minutes

half vine
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wdym

twilit prairie
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It has been

half vine
elfin ginkgo
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bro what

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yeah

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no

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that other one has been out for like 2 minites bro

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you left no gap

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am i going crazy

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oh god bro i’m gonna be sick fully i thought like 2 minutes had passed

twilit prairie
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Is there a reason it's "learned info" and not "woke due to their ability"?

warm niche
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I've been lurking in this channel for these releases and these characters all seem so fun! Hoping I get an opportunity to play with some of them soon

half vine
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we don't have to say "oh uhhhh choices are arbitrary" in how to run stuff for example

blissful tapir
placid prism
ionic drift
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I love Dullahan a lot it seems quite fun, but why can it only activate once?

elfin ginkgo
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dullahan rotwood chad chud hr flirting know the difference meme insert here

ember cargo
blissful tapir
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<@&1440818085518119083> In case youy missed it, there's a schedule game to try some characters! Atm we've brewed a Historian-Paladin-Lab Rat script to keep it nice and easy but keep your eyes peeled for the wilder roles too!
#event-listings message

half vine
blissful tapir
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What script we'll be playing for our event, come join later!

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half vine
blissful tapir
ember cargo
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Lab Rat is a peak Outsider

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genuinely a top game of all time

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such a dumb game

elfin ginkgo
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i think there might be an issue with lab rat in that it kinda confirms that someone isn’t the demon in f3

warm moat
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yeah but

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demon becomes lab rat recluse f3

half vine
austere pebble
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I loved being an evil lab rat

elfin ginkgo
ember cargo
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its an outsider ability so if a Minion asked me to make them into the Lab Rat, I'd do so & the Minion can 100% signal they became the rat

blissful tapir
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oh @ionic drift spotted it now but no a Lab Rat doesnt have to end up in Final 3, you can turn a dead player into a Rat

speaking of which... @half vine can that be the Lab Rat themselves? (or a former Lab Rat)

half vine
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that's clarified in the almanac! you cannot turn a lab rat into a lab rat

elfin ginkgo
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she lab on my rat till i have an outsider ability (i don’t know which)

half vine
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this is to avoid scenarios where a lab rat somehow ends up with an unsignalled additional ability. mostly applies to EIDs, but also applies if there's multiple alive players with the Lab Rat ability for whatever reason

blissful tapir
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oh if i actually read what im copying maybe id known that lol

half vine
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hello everyone this Lab Rat token features an appropriate number of leaves, as we're doing the "IS THE LAB RAT" tech. enjoy

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(3x IS THE LAB RAT, 1x MUTATES TONIGHT)

limber onyx
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yummers

blissful tapir
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best way to test

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throw everything and the kitchen sink

austere pebble
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if it works it works

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except maybe vampire, not 100% convinced it fit

peak furnace
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Jsons for bb4 ready yet?

blissful tapir
mild schooner
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Can you send the JSON for dwarf?

blissful tapir
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    "id": "dwarfbb",
    "name": "Dwarf",
    "image": [
      "https://i.postimg.cc/R0dcmx2y/Dwarf-Good.png",
      "https://i.postimg.cc/L4wj2TQc/Dwarf-Evil.png"
    ],
    "team": "townsfolk",
    "ability": "Each night*, you learn a character mad as a Dwarf. For each mad Minion, a Dwarf gets false info. [+0 to +2 Dwarves]",
    "otherNight": 85.77,
    "otherNightReminder": "Wake the Dwarves one at a time and show them a Character token.",
    "setup": true,
    "reminders": [
       "False Info", "False Info", "False Info"
     ],
    "special":[{"type":"selection","name":"bag-duplicate"}],
    "flavor": "To dig and dig makes us free, come on brothers, sing with me!"
},
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the only aspect that might be wrong is night order number

mild schooner
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Thanks!

ember cargo
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we do need a Dusk-like for Vampire tbh, I'd love to go through the torment nexus as a good minion then win bc my Demon is executed then lose bc its Heretic

half vine
warm niche
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I have Also been making a vampire focused script that has basically just turned into a spec script

blissful tapir
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#event-listings message <@&1440818085518119083> Another Scheduled! Go sign up!

elfin ginkgo
blissful tapir
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Don’t need to? You released it? And the JSON/Bootlegger credits you?

blissful tapir
elfin ginkgo
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you are a thief and a scoundrel

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ask for permission pls

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you're making money off me

blissful tapir
peak furnace
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How does good generally counter merry man

wintry saddle
peak furnace
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You have to be confident theres a merryman

elfin ginkgo
half vine
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generally you can get away with having about half of town or so spend their ghost votes

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but figuring out if there's merry man in play is big important, and looking at socials at who dead votes (as evil players will definitely want to use their votes to have voting power on the final day) is also important to think about

half vine
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hey everyone, i'd just like to announce that thanks to a certain bozo, a bunch of BB4 icons had incorrect drop shadow settings. with this now being fixed, please use these updated tokens instead

please rest assured, the person responsible for this blunder has since been fired from the BBbbfP team; in other news, i have to solemnly announce that i'm no longer on the BBbbfP team 😔 /j

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blissful tapir
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It’s my rodeo now

elfin ginkgo
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unrelease paradox

limber onyx
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just want to say i really love the design space of "You think you are a Townsfolk & have that ability" outsiders

half vine
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reminder that our scheduled event is today!
#event-listings message

frank brook
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bbbbfp leaks....

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pale dove
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the baron's rival

half vine
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if you think this is big i'm gonna drop a bombshell on you all

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did you know that the synopsis of each batch has hints to every single character that gets released that batch?

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go back and check, your worlds will be shattered

frank brook
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wise

cinder lichen
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bhamber hinting boomdandy 2?

restive iris
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thanks for the game yesterday! basically the first homebrew i have played, at least with more than one homebrew character, so it was probably about time to experience something like that. i was not disappointed

blissful tapir
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It went wild so not a standard game ngl 😭😂

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We’ll have more classic games with other characters in the future

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(Not next week- it’s con season)

half vine
ember cargo
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in that game I just went like

austere pebble
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blame wizard

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its always wizard

blissful tapir
ember cargo
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worth it

earnest violet
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where can I find the json for these characters

austere pebble
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@blissful tapir

elfin ginkgo
austere pebble
elfin ginkgo
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BRO

blissful tapir
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If you have a specific character you want lemme know and I’ll see if I can do it tonight but otherwise it’ll be a while apologies

earnest violet
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Main one im interested in is Mimic

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Works well for a script im making !!

blissful tapir
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Ok I’ll try and do this tonight 🙂‍↕️

earnest violet
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Tysm!!

peak furnace
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Do you guys have a rose bride script

blissful tapir
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no 🫶

peak furnace
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Well you know what to do!

earnest violet
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Is there a rose bride json as well

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Id like to try to script something with it

twilit prairie
blissful tapir
# earnest violet Main one im interested in is Mimic 
{
    "id": "mimicbb",
    "name": "Mimic",
    "team": "outsider",
    "ability": "You think you are a Townsfolk & have that ability. Each night*, the last Townsfolk to choose you with their ability, dies.",
    "remindersGlobal": [
      "is the Mimic","Chosen","Dead"
    ],
    "image": [
      "https://i.postimg.cc/MTzsWPgf/Mimic-Good.png",
      "https://i.postimg.cc/tCnzHG74/Mimic-Evil.png"
    ],
    "otherNight": 58.8,
    "otherNightReminder": "The Townsfolk with the 'Chosen' reminder token dies.",
    "setup": true,
    "flavor": "Never eat a group of clowns. You end up with too many inside jokes."
},
earnest violet
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ty!!

peak furnace
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Im running a homebrew with Puritan and Sheriff in 45 min in live voice scheduled. (not pinging the role since its only 2 of these, but feel free to join)

frank brook
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@blissful tapir @half vine do either of you have a json with the most recent set?

blissful tapir
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No :3

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But I was slowly working on it prior to cons

frank brook
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ok!

blissful tapir
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Is it a specific character or just to have in the tool?

frank brook
placid prism
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@blissful tapir or @half vine do you guys think Matrimur has synergy or anti-synergy with consult roles

blissful tapir
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It’s currently intended that consulting counts as standing for the Matrmur as for whether it’s good or bad interaction probably depends on author and group

half vine
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what i'd certainly say is never instakill a consult role when they get up to go talk to you

hazy kindle
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can i kill them right after

half vine
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if you want

blissful tapir
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Behold

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The JSON

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ok

half vine
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featuring a new Vampire ability wording!

You wake for Demon info instead of Minion info. The good Minion (you know who) thinks they are evil. [+1 good Minion]

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no actual difference though to the ability

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it's a bit shorter and reads a bit better which is always a big cool

keen crystal
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wait that does read nicely, yippee!!

half vine
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token!

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normal quest
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for comparison:

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oh this reads so much better yeah

half vine
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there were a couple of versions in-between as well

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but yeah it is fun to look back on the very first one

half vine
fleet ferry
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i'm glad you were able to refine my silly wording further into being something far more elegant and comprehensible

restive iris
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fixed json that works with the official app, the original had at least matrimur image urls incorrect

📎 4BFP_Batch_4.json
half vine
half vine
half vine
rancid steeple
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Should the Vampire get bluffs in a Lil’ Monsta game?

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If it’s waking up for Demon Info

blissful tapir
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Probably yeah

kindred trellis
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Woah

limber onyx
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how does the Sculptor Leviathan jinx work

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is the Sculptor barred from using their ability at all if the next Demon in order would be Leviathan?

wintry saddle
twilit prairie
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Stating it again doesn't solve their issue.
Can the Sculptor jump over the Leviathan to the one after in the script order?
-# probably not
Or does it immediately stop the Sculptor from cycling to any Demon, even if there are other Demons on the script.

blissful tapir
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Id probably just skip leviathan

half vine
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yeah just skip levi

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we might reword the jinx at some point

blissful tapir
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#event-listings message

another event! Would folks want to see a Deanae Script or a Matrimur Script?

half vine
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if you join this event you’ll get to see my cool cool face

dim gulch
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For historian, thoughts on statements like "the player N steps clockwise from me, where N is the day number, is the demon"? Then the first time it changes you have a sage ping at worst and the demon at best. Would it be reasonable for an ST to deny a complicated statement like that with multiple variables, or is this type of thing just what historian scripts should be balanced around?

blissful tapir
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Treat it like gossip I’d say yeah

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If you get you get it

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If you don’t deny it

dim gulch
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makes sense

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oh I guess demons can just kill historian claims who would get busted info as well, so it's inherently balanced similar to how gossip is

blissful tapir
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#scheduled-game-chat message <@&1440818085518119083> a Deanae script! Come join!

kindred trellis
blissful tapir
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Works better than I’d anticipated which is great! A little misunderstanding in how I thought it would be ran lol but we tried it bhamber’s way and both are chill just one way easier. Curious as to how it scales or script environments as you really need to make sure there’s doubt

restive iris
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i kinda liked the duplicating version, makes it fast at least, riot feel

half vine
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the 1 deanae per night version is still very fast

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both games were 9p (not counting travellers) and last 3 days iirc

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in the second game however we had 4 alive, and in the first we had 3 on the final day

warm niche
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I think 1 extra a night is already enough to make it very fast

peak furnace
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script might be horrific but sanctuary

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evil win

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Also how do you consider the receiving townsfolk of a NWM as dullahan info

austere pebble
blissful tapir
blissful tapir
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Also @peak furnace were there any strong confusions on how a character was worded/works etc? Re-read the chat and only really found “what is a duel?” And “how do I close my eyes?” Which are reasonable

peak furnace
blissful tapir
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Ah that’s fine

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“Like the HP”

peak furnace
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Yeah i described it as a social type role

peak furnace
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And a player closing their eyes wouldn’t count for math right? Since its their own choice

blissful tapir
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Yeah

frank brook
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@blissful tapir @half vine is there a repository/collection of all the b&b showcase scripts btw?

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or will i just have to hunt down the scripts from scheduled events of years gone by

blissful tapir
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we dont have showcase scriptss tbh we just make a script so yeah i guess sscheduled event mines you go lol

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i wouldve deleetd things too sadly

half vine
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yeah the thing is if any of those scripts were good we would've saved them from the void

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there's no merit to those scripts apart from like, chronicling history or something idk. in most cases they're certainly not worth going out of your way to play

chilly wren
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Xd

mellow mortar
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but like you have the acronym for balloonist

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and i have the acronym for chef

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🧠

half vine
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yoooooooo

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we gotta team up

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use the bounty hunter info to inform the chef info

mellow mortar
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wait am i the lesser version because im c and your b

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wheres ahamber

half vine
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good question

mellow mortar
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@ahamber

half vine
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lost to the history :(

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or maybe never existed at all...

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atm we're the BC

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like big history

tiny marten
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Captain Ahamber and the Whimber Whamber

half vine
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truuuuuueeee

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maybe ahamber is looking for some big whale

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anyways it's been 1 year of brew boilers

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wow

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i hope we don't make it to year 2 cause then it'll be simply too much brew

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well year 3 i guess

tiny marten
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Whoa you made me realise that I missed the 2TFA 2 year mark last month

mellow mortar
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also wow being ontopic these are some great characters

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u really are the better hamber

half vine
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thank you that's very kind

fickle sundial
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I've gotten to run some Skorn games recently and it's probably my favorite homebrew Demon, it is so incredibly fun

half vine
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yippee i'm so glad to hear it!

half vine
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and i'm quite cool myself 😎

fickle sundial
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I've ran a few with Lab Rat but either the Demon gets demolished or the Lab Rat lives till final 3, they won't let me play with my toys

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waiting for Dhamber to show up now

half vine
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i'm sure the rats will have their day!

elfin ginkgo
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the mice will play…

half vine
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i'm gonna do a crazy brew boilers lore drop

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pharaoh's my favourite

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boom

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that's my chef's recommendation