Brewulation & Boilers [β]

[latent pine]

Idk have energy for everything I wanna do 😭

[half vine]

Elluna's character, lemme pull up the exact wording

Occultist (Outsider) by Elluna

You might be executed unless you are mad about learning something new every day. Once per game, when you visit the Storyteller, you learn a fact.

[chrome ravine]

Personally, I think basically all the justifications for vig o mod are "S&V needed it" or a little handwavey: if vig was a brand new demon that came out last week, it they wouldn't quite wash.

[latent pine]

XD Puritan Witch is actually hilarious mechanically too

Because the Puritan is easy Witch bait

That’s so perfect

[chrome ravine]

Occultist is so fire

[blissful tapir]

Totally lol. Vig only has -1 because it needed it

[lament matrix]

Hello storyteller I would like to nominate myself

Guys I am evil

[half vine]

well if it came out last week it wouldn't be on SNV and wouldn't need it :P

but i think for Demons with homescripts, that environment is a crucial part of their design

[latent pine]

I accepted the Mezepheles word

[lament matrix]

And will call all the other evils in my team

[latent pine]

“I am the Goblin”

[chrome ravine]

I kinda wanna script occultist sometime just because i wanna see this one guy in my group play it

[latent pine]

Fifth Wind is also an option if you can’t make one in time

[chrome ravine]

But both these two releases here are so fire too!

[latent pine]

But yeah, hybrid stuff is meant to be scruotbuilded

[chrome ravine]

There isn't a post in this forum coming up for fifth wind

Unless i can't spell ig

[latent pine]

Rotwood Vortox

[latent pine]

Oh tru

Idk. I just know Fifth Wind is an occultist script and you can use it or make your own

But making your own sounds awesome 🔥

[blissful tapir]

Rotwood behind the scenes is that we debated perma poison vs one day and settled on perma because at lower counts it isn’t as devastating (but still bad) and at higher player counts it’s easier to either skip, or execute non TF

[half vine]

we didn't have enough ability space so it was either permapoison with o-mod or one day poison without

[placid prism]

holy moly

this surely only works on like

mono or 2 demon scripts

[half vine]

probably don't put it with vortox but i think it's mostly fine?

[latent pine]

It helps to have YSK roles too

[civic rapids]

wait holy shit its perma
when i first read it i was like "oh interesting, its minstrel-like, so it wants to be proactive and continuously get town to kill townsfolk"
then i saw it was permanent and went "HOLY SHIT"

[latent pine]

They can’t be fucked by the Rotwood

[civic rapids]

will there be a rotwood-poppy grower jinx or is evil just kinda fucked if that happens

[latent pine]

I could see the jinx being that if the Rotwood poisons everyone, the Poppy ability activates immediately as if they’d died

Or just that the Poppy doesn’t get poisoned

[placid prism]

is the Puritan “must” like the butler or zealot rules where not doing so is cheating

[latent pine]

Yep. Says in the bullet points

[half vine]

poppy grower kinda maybe has an optional rule now? steven medway says it has one on twitter

[civic rapids]

how does puritan work with bishop

[half vine]

same way zealot works with voudon

[half vine]

the optional rule is that if PG becomes poisoned, the evils learning each other effect happens

so basically use that optional rule when playing with Rotwood & PG

[placid prism]

what are the rotwood and puritan jinxes then

i imagine puritan has one with cannibal

[half vine]

puritan cannibal yeah

i think that's it

[ionic drift]

Wait Rotwood is perma holy shit

That elevates it from "huh that's kind of interesting SnV-like" to fucking awesome

Honestly I'm someone who's itching and feening for Townwide permapoison characters

It's such a devastating effect and it's like a wincon but still gives good a slight chance

[silent ginkgo]

i want to find the script that rotwood works on

i have ideas

[half vine]

solos Rotwood lol

just kill into every ping :D

[chrome ravine]

Yeah rotwood poisoning everyone permanently is much better than a one night thing imo

Like even on S&V if there is a tf executed d2 its only like the mathematician and the savant getting info anyway

In like a 11p game or something

[half vine]

whatever wins is released today, whatever loses is released tomorrow

[half vine]

not trying to influence the poll but...

[frank brook]

tie! tie! tie!

[pale dove]

I agree wholeheartedly with the gentleman on the right

[normal quest]

lock in gang

[half vine]

gang please do NOT lock in

[twilit prairie]

2 hours remain

[half vine]

alright. fine.

[half vine]

"Your Highness, while I am so overjoyed to see so many visitors and people moving to our land, I know that I certainly wouldn't rush to blame this uptick in murders on our longest standing citizens."

Cellor-Chan? No, it's...

Chancellor (Minion)

The Chancellor makes Outsiders indistinguishable from evil players.

• To good players' abilities, Outsiders must register as evil and as either a Minion or a Demon.
• Outsiders do not have to register as the same Minion or Demon throughout the game, and Outsiders that registered as Minions can register as Demons & vice versa.
• Outsiders do not misregister to evil players' abilities. This includes Demons, Minions, as well as evil Townsfolk or Outsiders.
• If the Chancellor is in play, this might have added or removed 1 Outsider, but it also might not have.
• At the start of the game, the Chancellor learns which players are Outsiders.

HOW TO RUN
While setting up the game, before putting character tokens in the bag, add or remove one or zero Outsider tokens.

During the first night, wake the Chancellor and point to each Outsider player. Put the Chancellor to sleep.

If a good player's ability would detect an Outsider's alignment or character, you must show them as evil and as either a Minion or a Demon.

EXAMPLES
On the first night, the Chancellor learns that Marion, Kate, & Oliver are Outsiders. The Empath neighbors Kate and another good player and learns a '1'. The Chancellor is then executed and tonight, the Empath learns a '0' when neither of their neighbors died.

After learning there are no Outsider in play. Gordon, the Chancellor, claims to be the Sweetheart. When he hears that the Investigator learned that one of Gordon or Lewis is the Chancellor, Gordon claims that this must be because the Chancellor is making him register as a Minion.

ATTRIBUTION
Character & Icon by Paradox.

[jade nova]

what's the purpose of -1 outsider here?

[half vine]

"We've been waiting for you for a while now. Walk with us. I'm sure you have a lot of questions."

These birds have seen you from across the bar, it's...

Psychopomp (Townsfolk)

The Psychopomp must be careful of when they choose to get their information.

• Each day, just before players close their eyes for the night, the Psychopomp may visit the Storyteller (but does not have to).
• There, the Storyteller tells them one true statement.
• If the Psychopomp visits the Storyteller to learn a statement after an evil player was executed today, the Psychopomp is drunk from now on.
• If an evil player was the last executee, but they were not executed today, they do not matter to the Psychopomp's ability.

HOW TO RUN
Each day, after the execution phase and just before players close their eyes, the Psychopomp may ask to use their ability. In private, tell them one true statement.

If the Psychopomp visits you to get info and an evil player was executed today, they are now drunk—mark them with the DRUNK reminder.

EXAMPLES
After a good player is executed, the Psychopomp visits the Storyteller to learn that they neighbour exactly one Minion, which is true. Tomorrow, the evil Minion the Psychopomp neighbors is executed, after which the Psychopomp visits the Storyteller. The Psychopomp becomes drunk, and the Storyteller tells them that no evil players are dead, which is false. The day after, a good player is executed, but the Psychopomp learns another false statement when visiting the Storyteller.

An evil player is executed, after which the Psychopomp does not choose to visit the Storyteller today. They do not become drunk.

ATTRIBUTION
Original character concept & icon by Paradox.

[half vine]

more room for evil players to hide in the outsider claims

[jade nova]

ah makes sense, ty

[half vine]

@blissful tapir can you send the ping pls

but yeah you all managed to tie the poll, so you get what you want! the final double release of BB3!

tomorrow will be our Loric, all on its lonesome

[blissful tapir]

<@&1440818085518119083> You heard the man!

[latent pine]

Why is it dusk* when the execution comes before dusk?

[blissful tapir]

Don’t worry we’ve talked about it too and he’s holding onto straws

[half vine]

||unreleased character precedent|| it just uses dusk as shorthand to just before dusk here

[latent pine]

Can Psychopomp get info on D1, after the first execution?

[half vine]

yes

the first dusk is the very first time players close their eyes, for n1

so that gets skipped

[latent pine]

||also wait… that’s how you interpreted that character? I thought it didn’t include 1st day||

||I guess it makes more sense that way, but it’s weird||

[jade nova]

would this character be too strong if, upon the first evil execution, statements are made false instead of drunk?

[half vine]

||palabra de dios would have to kill n1 if ED* doesn't skip n1's dusk, presumably. it is kinda odd how both ED* characters use a different meaning of it, but meh i'll take whatever shortcuts TPI does||

[jade nova]

sorry if this is nitpicking that was just my first thought

[latent pine]

||I thought N1 didn’t have a dusk. But I guess it works better for Falconer & PDD||

[latent pine]

You can guarentee info on if you excited evil

Because if you ever believe a statement is true, you also know for a fact last exe was good

So yea, I’d bet it’s too powerful as false. Way too easy to reverse new info

[half vine]

the falsifying of info would also kinda go against the intent of the character, which is to be a consult character that doesn't always want to consult

false info only helps it

and gives it something new to detect tbh

[jade nova]

fair enough

[half vine]

it's still an interesting character that way, but likely too strong

[placid prism]

another banger from the brewers

bangers

any jinxes?

[half vine]

this is all we've got for these atm, but it's always possible we discover some more whack interactions with Chancellor

Ppomp is jinx-free

[normal quest]

i worry this dissolves into most/all evil players claiming outsider and good having no way of distinguishing between them and real outsiders with not enough executions to get them all

[normal quest]

counterpoint: the asterisk here isn’t needed for clarification because no character ability will ever take an action like this before night 1 starts

[half vine]

it's one that definitely wants some playtesting

[half vine]

as per TPI's official SAO list, they have an "Each dusk*" spot with no "Each dusk" spot. i tend to work within what's been officially established where i can

[normal quest]

this is because dusk as it actually exists in the game means the very beginning of the night and that’s where travelers act

that’s not how you’re using the term

[half vine]

it's not but there is a ||speculated character that also uses the term this way. it's weird and it cheats, but if TPI cheats that way, so can I! is basically my reasoning||. If the expansions drop and this term is never used this way, i'll reword Ppomp

[normal quest]

||pdd is old! before wordings were more standardized! why is this your precedent when it actively overrides the glossary!||

[half vine]

||oh i'm talking about Falconer||

[normal quest]

||oh? not familiar with that one off the top of my head||

[normal quest]

||you mentioned it here so i thought this was your precedent||

[half vine]

speculated character warning
||Falconer is "Each dusk*, you may visit the Storyteller to learn how many Townsfolk are still alive."||

[normal quest]

||still, imo unreleased characters should not be taken as precedent over the actual published rulebook until they get released||

[half vine]

i understand your viewpoint and it's definitely valid. my reasoning for using this wording here is because it's more difficult to get this concept to fit into the ability length otherwise, & that speculatory thing allowed us to take this shortcut. "Each Dusk*" has already been acknowledged and accounted for in SAO, so my thinking is that hey, might as well use it in this way if we can. Plus, Brewulation & Boiling rhymes with Speculation & Spoiling!

but yeah i hope you understand my logic here at least. hopefully the bit of cheating the ability text does doesn't completely put you off the character

[civic rapids]

hows this work with butcher, do both exes have to be good for you to not get droisoned?

[half vine]

that's how i'd rule it i think

[normal quest]

i think i’d rule it as the most recent executee

[ionic drift]

Also peak alert

Both of these characters are peak asf

[blissful tapir]

Oh wait both of these were Paradox ideas originally :D

[half vine]

very paradox day today

[carmine prairie]

pscyhopomp

[half vine]

@blissful tapir YOU BUFFOON

[carmine prairie]

typo aside, cool ability

[blissful tapir]

heheh heheh

Spelling is optional

Quickest hot fix

[placid prism]

i’m not seeing the purpose between the chancellor damsel jinx

i’m definitely just not thinking hard enough but enlighten me

[normal quest]

the chancellor knows which players are outsiders

they instantly narrow damsel candidates to 3 or less

[placid prism]

oh LMAO

yeah i was thinking the evil registration

although i guess that also just makes the evil team lose when they guess damsel

yeah checks out

[ionic drift]

Yeah even if it was just the misreg things get fishy bc Outsiders would learn there's a Damsel in play

[normal quest]

the misreg only affects good players

[placid prism]

ah

[normal quest]

wait true LMAO

[placid prism]

i mean the ST could just register the outsiders as a demon for that

[ionic drift]

troo

[blissful tapir]

Yeah Chancellor only got jinxed with Townsfolk that engage with Minions and Demons simultaneously like Alsaahir and Poppy Grower. Magician no jinx because I don’t think there’s any real interaction there.

[half vine]

"Who the hell would actually want to play this? Stupid game. Like, really, terribly, horribly dumb. Also, I hate you."

If they can't keep up with all the rules, let's add some more! It's...

Party Pooper (Loric)

The Party Pooper gives dead players the power to create new, crazy rules for this game.

• When the Storyteller declares a player's death, that player has the option to declare a new rule.
• This rule takes effect immediately, and lasts until the game is over, unless the rule itself or the Storyteller says otherwise.
• Rules can be anything, and may include things like restrictions upon players, or even new mechanics!
• When a rule is declared, the Storyteller may adjust it as they see fit, to ensure it keeps the game fun.
• The Storyteller has the final say; they may choose to not accept a rule (and ask the player to pick again), cancel rules at any time, or otherwise tweak or alter Party Pooper rules to ensure that the game stays fun for all players.

HOW TO RUN

When you declare a player has died, they may publicly decide a new rule. If you accept it but believe that it needs to be adjusted in some way, declare the altered version.

As the Storyteller, you want to make sure that Party Pooper rules are first and foremost fun. You may decline or alter rules as you see fit, to ensure that the game is enjoyable for all players. If you do alter a rule, it is usually the most fun for the player suggesting it to keep the core of the rule intact.

Rules that are breakable or that restrict players in some way should usually come with a form of punishment (such as death or execution). This makes it so that breaking the rule becomes an option, allowing players more choice on how they interact with it. A breakable rule without a punishment becomes something that players must follow, however, with a fitting punishment, it becomes something that they may take the risk of breaking.

These punishments should also usually include a "might" in them. If a rule comes without a punishment, or a punishment is mandatory, you should always consider altering that rule. This will keep the game more fun and balanced for all players.

If a rule ever overstays its welcome in a game and removing it would make the game more fun, you may do so and declare as such. If you realise a rule would be better with an alteration after it has already been introduced, you may change it then and there and inform your players. At the end of the day, it is your job as the Storyteller to ensure that your players have fun, and you may take whatever steps are needed to make sure that stays the case in a Party Pooper game.

EXAMPLES

Bert is executed and declares the rule "players must speak in alliteration during their defences or they might be executed". The Storyteller accepts this rule. Later, when Paul is nominated, he points at the nominator and says "Dis dude, darkness DWELLS!". Paul is not executed. When Perry is nominated next, he says "Dawg, I can't do this". Perry is executed. He then declares the rule that players may break Bert's rule.

After dying, Steven makes the rule that "all players must be mad they are the Butler". The Storyteller adjusts the rule to be "all players must be mad they are the Butler, or they might die". The Empath claims to have learned a "Butler 0", and the Village Idiot claims to be a Butler that sees alignments. A player claims to be their own master, and says that means they can vote whenever they want. None of these players die, because they are having fun.

Elise makes the rule that if a player says a beautiful poem about her during their defense, they might survive execution. The Storyteller adjusts the rule to be "if a player says a beautiful poem about the Storyteller during their defense, they might survive execution."

After learning he died at night, Usain makes the rule "Today, three players have a race. The winner decides who is executed today". Because there is not enough space in the venue, the Storyteller declines the rule.

Earlier in the game, a player made the rule that "players must speak in rhyme, or they might die". After a day, the Storyteller realises most players aren't enjoying the rule, so the Storyteller declares that the rule is no longer in play.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by bhamber.

[night birch]

finally a Loric I like

gonna use this to add the rule that "you have to follow the game rules and not make up something stupid"

[blissful tapir]

<@&1440818085518119083> It’s Loric time!

[blissful tapir]

Granted, the game rules is whatever I the ST thinks is most fun and fair

Also @fallow latch we propose a stream game idea with this Loric

[night birch]

Who the hell would actually want to play this? Stupid game. Like, really, terribly, horribly dumb. Also, I hate you.

[blissful tapir]

Squall is executed and dies

[fallow latch]

Lol

Yeah sure I'm down next week

[blissful tapir]

Yippee!
Next step, using more homebrew characters on the script…

[half vine]

yayyyy awesome!

[onyx lotus]

my poop is green too...

how come that isnt a loric

double standards... smh...

[latent pine]

Honestly, I’d consider running a scheduled or longtext game of just a base script or custom with this as a fun one off

This feels very Loric

[half vine]

btw if anyone knows some super duper secret way to make loric actually look like loric in bloodstar, let me know, but for now it's listed as a fabled in our bloodstar doc (although it's still a green loric)

[half vine]

the idea started out as a traveller actually, before lorics were revealed. but then i was like huh, this could work as a loric, and then it morphed into "The Ultimate Loric" as a concept, basically being able to introduce any mid-game Loric rules

but yeah this might be an idea i send in to TPI tbh, i think it's something they'd like

[blissful tapir]

You gonna send a turd in 😭

[half vine]

However, this does mark our conclusion to Big Batch 3! I hope you all enjoy these characters if you play with them. We'll definitely be doing some scheduleds in the near future that show some of these off

we do have a couple of minor character adjustments left to make, so we'll let you know when those are done

[crystal kite]

These are fun characters

[latent pine]

(also I need to put these on Constellation. Eventually)

You & Luis giving me an eventful holiday season

[twilit prairie]

Lol. Stop releasing things!

[civic rapids]

the legendary butler 0

[blissful tapir]

so you didnt change the rose bride jinxes 😂

https://tenor.com/view/meme-well-be-right-back-flying-in-minecraft-meme-gif-20705289

[twilit prairie]

Not the delete 😭

[half vine]

jinx list

[half vine]

if there's any jinxes we've missed, let us know. we'll probably fix it...

[civic rapids]

do you have to make the spy see themselves as evil if they’re made good by the vampire

can you still do the “register them as the character a YSK sees them as so they know what to claim” trick with them

[half vine]

RAW no technically, RAI if you want i guess

[fringe pumice]

There’s a typo on the remnant jinx btw

[half vine]

eh i can live with a typo

it adds authenticity

[pale dove]

And thus the reputation of Brewlation and Boilers plummeted

[blissful tapir]

Psychopomp is spelt wrong in the token we’re fine 😂

[crystal kite]

Can't wait for rebranding to "Brewultions & Typos"

[half vine]

fix the damn token, boy!

i'll fix the jinx sheets if paradox fixes the token

our reputation now relies on you, paradox

[fringe pumice]

🔥

[limber onyx]

is the Chancellor Architect jinx needed btw?

[half vine]

it changes the interaction to always require evil players to nominate for an alignment flip, which while that does work, it might offset how easy or difficult it is to get an evil architect? it's mostly one we went "oh that's weird" on though, always possible it gets removed

[blissful tapir]

OH! I was gonna say it but I forgot to due to work but I have to commend bhamber on Chancellor's Quote because it is so fantastically spot-on and just really evokes the character's intention.
I say this because he's hit or miss with quotes 😂

[half vine]

he says this because he HATES me

[latent pine]

What are the misses? 👀

[blissful tapir]

Puritan's my quote as I thought bhamber's original one didnt evoke its full effect.

[placid prism]

no release today?

[olive knot]

Releases for this batch ended yesterday.

[blissful tapir]

No but I can offer a Scheduled Event to try out some new characters! #event-listings message
I'll ping the tag on the day too but if you happen to be free consider joining up! Though a few days before Christmas not surprised if folks arent lol

[jade nova]

I’m late but the appeal of forager somewhat confuses me

from a sleuthing perspective I think it’s interesting that this creates an expectation of certain evils bluffing certain townsfolk

but from evils perspective I can’t imagine having half the roles you might want to bluff becoming disadvantaged due to an arbitrary stat to be fun

I have a similar issue with chambermaid but it’s mitigated by choosing 2 players per night

[blissful tapir]

@half vine can add more detail but no that's pretty much Forager lol. It creates tension for evil in what to bluff in the same way Chambermaid does but it's not as damning as it and its info falls more in line with Dreamer I think of going "ok if they are evil they can't be thiss role etc".
As you said, Chambermaid irks you the same way so it's ok to not fully vibe with the character because there's a lotof similarities but I think Chambermaid provides a much more narrow bluffspace for evils than Forager. For example, a Zombuul on BMR can bluff Grandmother with Forager detection but not Chambermaid

[jade nova]

Yeah I do enjoy that this is 50 50 meaning its easier to deal with

whereas Chambermaid is constructed almost like an alternate fortune teller (at least for BMR), this feels like a role that either 1) single-handedly exposes fake claims for ppl who don’t wise up, or 2) a less useful Dreamer who narrows worlds but doesn’t ever give new info on its own

I’m not sure if I enjoy that dynamic or not

It would be interesting to see it in practice though

[half vine]

in case anyone is checking this channel out right at this particular moment, we've got a real fancy cool almanac made by paradox which features all our released characters so far 😎
https://indd.adobe.com/view/a6d83d5e-ca70-4d62-9292-99f4a8193e2e

[half vine]

wow did someone say a few more character updates?

reasoning will be in square brackets

VALKYRIE [Removes the last remaining bits of jank]

Voters on your nominations revive at dusk. If any do, good loses next dusk or wins if the Demon is executed, no matter what.

valkyrie has also received a writeup update; resurrections now happen just before dusk. This may get reverted, but i want to see how it'd play if it works like this. plus, it allows ppomp to benefit from a resurrection, which is cool

ARCHITECT [More in line with official BOTC wording]

If more than 1 opposing player was nominated by players of your alignment today, you change alignment tonight.

c'monnnnn this just reads nicer and drops the silly "allied" bit. Architect no longer shoots up to the top of SAO either, which is a bonus cause i think the icon looks nicer in the middle of stuff

SIN-EATER [I want it to work with Valk days]

If the 1st dead player to vote is evil & anyone is executed that day, evil wins. On the final day, you lose this ability.

it's on the final day now, not just 3 players left. this means that on valk days, the Sin-Eater can resurrect without leading to potential evil auto-wins

HARBINGER [more in line with official BOTC wording]

Something bad will happen, even if you die. On your 1st day, you may visit the Storyteller to learn what & how to prevent it.

"even if you dead" has changed to "even if you die", and the 1st day visit now has a "you may", to be in line with other consult characters. even though you really really should find out what the bad thing is

RICARNIS [it's technically the tiniest bit shorter]

Each night*, choose a living player: they die. If they do not, their neighbors die instead. You cannot die at night.

same ability length, but the kerning makes this just a bit shorter than "an alive". completely the same functionally though

[frank brook]

@half vine vertighost has the skorn examples

[half vine]

ping paradox for that

paradox maintains the fancy almanac

@blissful tapir you fucked it

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/oaky-okay-ok-meme-typo-oakley-gif-1135585561201001219

[blissful tapir]

Reminder we have a scheduled game today starring Vertighost!

[placid prism]

when?

[blissful tapir]

#event-listings message

[chrome ravine]

How did it go

[ionic drift]

Bhamber lost as his own Demon 😛

It went well

[chrome ravine]

Did anyone get a grim?

[willow dirge]

Damn I wish I could have joined this looks fire

[ionic drift]

Also, in practice, Vertighost is a lot less busted than it looks

You could honestly even argue that the false info is a downside, since it helps you track the Demon easier

[chrome ravine]

Yeah in my head vertighost sits somewhere inbetween vortox & no dashii

Its like a fusion of the two

I think it becomes a lot stronger with more misinfo demons though

[half vine]

If you’d stuck around for another couple games, you could’ve seen me win as my own minion :D

We played Vikings in Nottingham after the Vertighost script. Game 2 I dead-voted on the Skorn and prevented their Skorn pass, Game 3 I was the Merry Man who made it to f3 and ALL vote tokens got taken

there was a procced Banshee, but they got poisoned by the Rotwood going into f3, so we just won then and there

[fringe pumice]

Does anyone have a vampire script bc for some reason i can't find one

[willow dirge]

It's by delta so you know it's good

I don't think B&B released an offical vamp script

@fringe pumice

[fringe pumice]

ty ty

[elfin ginkgo]

shout out Delta

the goat

[blissful tapir]

mouse

[barren parcel]

Rotwood is delicious

[normal quest]

termite speech bubble

[limber onyx]

is there an updated master json

[half vine]

@blissful tapir

[blissful tapir]

@half vine have you finished all your character updates

[half vine]

i'll give them a look today

[blissful tapir]

Also won’t be done for a few days

https://tenor.com/view/chillin-relaxing-sunbathe-parfait-slurp-gif-13953670974945211762

I’m on holiday

[limber onyx]

aight

[regal parcel]

does anyone have an Augur JSON by any chance

[blissful tapir]

<@&1440818085518119083> Running a game atm with some roles like Valkyrie, Puritan, Merry Man, and Rotwood! https://botc.app/join/raccoon

[placid prism]

curse ye and your inconvenient time zones

[latent pine]

Here's a script I made using Puritan btw. Its polyhybrid cause I used a few characters from other creators

still plenty of room to adjust as need be

[fluid pollen]

Is there a json for bhampire I can use?

I'm looking to build a couple scripts with it because it's so compelling

[latent pine]

Constellation should have one, tho it might be missing a few things: haven’t checked

[fluid pollen]

Whats the interaction between vampire and marionette for better or for worse

[blissful tapir]

At 1 Minion games there’s no Minion Info step really lol

Despite 2 Minions

But in practise I think it’s a neat concept because it makes it hesitant for the Demon to tell the marionette they’re the Marionette

But never do so you’re basically down a vote with just a drunk in play

[civic rapids]

how do you even run a good (because of vampire) marionette, would you still give them info that helps evil?

[normal quest]

yes, same way as another minion would still be pushing bad info

[fluid pollen]

Can the marionette be the good minion?

[blissful tapir]

yeah, they just need to think they are a good character

[twilit prairie]

My potentially hot take is that Shrine Maiden is the closest any homebrewer has gotten to a character TPI would release themselves.

[night birch]

Any homebrewer?!

That’s very bold

don’t get me wrong I think Shrine Maiden is cool and I agree I could see TPI releasing something similar, but I think you’re critically underestimating how many homebrewers there are, and how many good homebrew characters there are

[twilit prairie]

There's certainly many close behind, but just the top of my list.

[blissful tapir]

You heard it here folks we’re the best

[wintry saddle]

I think its a cool character but not one I think tpi would release 🙈, it looks very weak to me. I would imagine the st has to be really nice with what to show to make it work.

[night birch]

I mean as always it depends on context

If you’re pretty sure it’s a Vortox game (or similar amounts of false info), this gets super interesting

[wintry saddle]

i can't see any context were it wouldn't be weak

[night birch]

showing an evil player claiming to get info means they’re either not getting false info (in a Vortox game, super weird), or they’re evil (super helpful)

[wintry saddle]

thats the same as saying "the ballonist is mostly useful in a vortox game"

which is true

but also

not the point of the character

just how vortox works with some characters

[night birch]

I can make similar arguments for characters like Balloonist and say “well yeah of course Balloonist is useless if you give townsfolk outsider townsfolk and they’re all claiming that”

[wintry saddle]

same with knight

[night birch]

If you give awful info, of course the character isn’t gonna be helpful

even if it’s not vortox and it’s something like TB, showing any player means you don’t have to worry about their ability not working

[wintry saddle]

balloonist needs a lot of help from the st same with this

[wintry saddle]

but you'd be better off having an extra info tf

generally

(this is my main issue with its power)

[night birch]

the soldier who died last night wasn’t poisoned, so look into that. the empath 2 is true, look into that

[night birch]

Let this be info in its own right. Put it on scripts where you can give it info that breaks worlds and claims

[wintry saddle]

but empath is evil or has true info

isn't that great

i think it's quite cool with characters were it gains more than this little, like having nd on script or lleech

[wintry saddle]

also needs evils to know the things which stand out to bluff

if its ran like a meta character

of "you learn something you should investigate" (which is kinda what you're proposing i think?)

[night birch]

Yeah kind of

It’s kind of a meta character for lack of a better wording

I think Balloonist really is the closest comparison for me

learning “hey the townsfolk claim and the outsider claim aren’t the same character type” isn’t helpful at all

but if you learn “hey the Plague Doctor claim and the Saint claim aren’t the same character type”, you’re locking in on that

[wintry saddle]

balloonist isn't a meta character to me

its "you learn a seamstress no every so often"

as the st shows 2 players claiming the same thing

[night birch]

It’s not quite a seamstress no, but it’s not quite a meta character either so I kind of get it

I get what you mean at least

point is, Shrine Maiden probably wants a bunch of reasons for its info to be more interesting than “they’re correct or evil”

[wintry saddle]

Balloonist is kinda:

Each night, you learn a player. If the last player you learned was good, you learn an evil player.

[night birch]

but that’s not necessarily true

[wintry saddle]

which feels like evil abilities harming themselves

[wintry saddle]

what way do you run it? (genuinely curious)

[wintry saddle]

Each night, you learn a player. If the last player you learned was good, you learn an evil player. Sometimes you don't wake.

maybe like this then...

Each night, you learn a player. If the last player you learned was good, you learn an evil player. You might learn this & learn arbitrary info.

[night birch]

god I haven’t been able to run Balloonist in forever. Ideally I’m showing two players claiming the same character type back to back, or I’m showing two different claims and then a third different claim so that characters 1 and 3 are clashing. The existence of Outsiders (especially those that want to hide) make the info more interesting

[wintry saddle]

i think balloonist with outsiders that want to hide makes it way less interesting and rarely put them on the same script

[night birch]

think of it more as “Shrine Maiden calling out bluffs” more than “evil abilities hurting themselves”

[wintry saddle]

kinda makes balloonist:

Each night, you learn a player.

[night birch]

I think at least one hidden outsider (that claims eventually, just not immediately) means you’re not just getting good -> evil -> good all the time

[wintry saddle]

im confused, was imagining you talking about nd or lleech or other such characters were knowing htey aren't droisoned is info in and of itself

[wintry saddle]

i think its good that you learn good -> evil -> (evil/good)

because it makes the balloonist actually useful

[night birch]

ah stuff like No Dashii and Lleech. For what it’s worth those characters are both designed so that the poison finds them anyways. Shrine Maiden just does that better

[wintry saddle]

though having the option as an st to show an outsider is fair too...

[wintry saddle]

well, kinda breaks what the shrine is supposed to do from my reading

[night birch]

It feels like it goes against the intent of it tbh. Yes it should call out evils but there are 4 character types for a reason, and Balloonist learning 4 of them means outsider claims give evils some safe space

[wintry saddle]

if an ability needs evils to harm themselves, then i don't think its geat

[wintry saddle]

yes, but the character needs to help their team

[night birch]

and it still does by locking in claims/forcing pivots into hidden outsider claims/just finding evils if your info doesn’t line up

[wintry saddle]

which is barely doing anything

[night birch]

I try to think of it like Chef info

in that it likely won’t solve anything just on its own but it limits things

or Dreamer by locking in claims

[wintry saddle]

there is a huge difference between dreamer, chef and balloonist

chef is super strong info for limiting worlds

balloonist this way limits worlds were good is purposefully lying which generally aren't helpful to limit

dreamer is helpful cause of the trust it gains this way and limiting which players can be which evils...

past a few days, the dreamer learning a good character is generally not relevant

(though it can be useful if you give other nights with really useful info)

[night birch]

I mean they’re different obviously

Dreamer’s whole thing is limiting someone to 2 options

I think ultimately you think Shrine Maiden is weak in a lot of the places you’d use it, but you don’t want to put it on scripts where it’s too strong

because it would seem unfun for evil

and I get that

[wintry saddle]

(I'm saying shrine is stronger than balloonist ran that way)

[wintry saddle]

i would use it on scripts were it shines XD

im saying (to me) it fails at what it tries to deliver

but can definetly deliver when ran in certain ways or on certain scripts

[night birch]

Gotcha gotcha okay

I think I’d just need to see it played well

[ionic drift]

Shrine Maiden feels like a character that would be on an official script, but it doesn't feel like a TPI release

[night birch]

What’s the difference to you?

[jade nova]

good in cohesion, less robust when viewed as an individual i would assume

since i kind of feel that way too, i agree with N0ll that it's weak in a vacuum but it also feels very natural in the right script

[haughty turret]

I didn't backread but lleech

[ionic drift]

Yeah, it really blooms from how it's used, and without careful context it's not super flashy

Like there's not really a pizzazz or selling point to it, it just kind of works well

[onyx lotus]

dreamer 2

[twilit prairie]

Well, at the very least I sparked some nice discussion.

[robust yoke]

Am I missing something or would the Shrine Maiden's info just be false in a Vortox game so they'd learn a player who is getting false info?

[night birch]

I think specifically they'd learn a player who is at least one of (1) drunk, (2) poisoned, or (3) has gotten false info since dawn

you're right I forgot about that

my counter to that is that that player is now either a good player or an evil player who is drunk/poisoned

since almost 0 evil players are getting false info

[robust yoke]

Although that's still an intere-, yeah, that

On another note, has anyone made a Teensyville with Rose Bride as the only demon/featured character? I think it'd be super interesting.

[jade nova]

wanted to point out that the main almanac's examples for Vertighost are actually repeat examples of Skorn

[half vine]

@blissful tapir knows and still hasn’t fixed it

what do I even not pay him for

[blissful tapir]

Not changing things

[blissful tapir]

Wait no! I was waiting to see if you had more updates!

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[half vine]

i don't think there's anything you don't know about atm

[blissful tapir]

Bold assumption to think I know things

[robust yoke]

Is there an updated JSON for these characters? The current pinned one is pretty outdated and missing some character updates plus all of batch 3

And if not could I at least get Rose Bride as a standalone character JSON?

[blissful tapir]

I should be able to do this tomorrow

[robust yoke]

Just a played a 6 player teensy with this script and it went really well!

The bag was:
RB, Xaan(2), Butler, Mutant, High Priestess, Seamstress.
It got down to a tense final 3 with Rose Bride, Butler (picking good Rose Bride), and High Priestess.

The Xaan had been able to convince the HP and Mutant to Execute the RB and Seamstress had already used their vote the day before.

But good pulled out cause the Mutant pulled their vote back as the clock got to them on the RB vote

One note I have as a storyteller running is it might be good to have a "Rose" reminder token. You could place it on the player who nominated the person currently on the chopping block so you know who should play Roshambo, and then you could also keep it or move it to the winner to remind you what alignment the Rose Bride should change to during the night.

A player in the game suggested this Jinx which I find interesting and will be including as a Bootlegger rule for now:

Jinx (Mutant x Rose Bride) If the Mutant is executed due to their ability they play Roshambo with the Storyteller and the Storyteller registers as the opposite alignment of the Mutant to the Rose Bride

[blissful tapir]

Since Pscyhopath doesnt have a reminder token we didnt give Rose Bride one and hopefully players remember who nominated who

[robust yoke]

Makes sense

[blissful tapir]

And for Cerenovus/Mutant etc we ruled that the Rose Bride stays as the alignment they are. This is moreobvious in the updated wording we did a while back: "Alive executees duel their nominator to decide your alignment..." if there is no nominator there is no duel so there is no deciding alignment

but yeah i was looking at a RB Teensy and was unsure if it would work because you could easily have like 2 goods only but it might still work

[robust yoke]

In the game I ran it was only 2 evil and it still went pretty balancedly

One clarification. Is it an ongoing effect, or does the alignment swap only happen if the RB is sober when the execution occurs? If the RB was poisoned when the execution happens will they skip over that alignment change, or would they just "see" the most recent execution winner after they're sober again and match that player's alignment?

[blissful tapir]

I'd rule it as an in the moment ability like leviathan yeah; so if an execution occurs and theyre drunk they dont change alignment tonight

[robust yoke]

What about self nominations?

[half vine]

The difference is that the ST only has to remember who nominated the Psychopath, vs multiple nominee nomination pairs

I wouldn’t mind adding a reminder token actually

[robust yoke]

I ran a second game with RB and it didn't go too well. The two non-RB evil players lost the first two roshambo games played and the whole good team was confirmed by an empath. I might not run this as a teensyville anymore. It feels a bit too good-sided at low player count. Since there's not enough evil fodder to keep the RB evil for 4 days of time.

[wintry saddle]

good can't really keep them good for 4 days either

and im just wondering why exe on the first 2 days or so

[robust yoke]

Could've been players not playing well since all of them had never seen the demon before

[blissful tapir]

<@&1440818085518119083> Hello brewers! We're running a script next week! Come join!
#event-listings message

[frank brook]

pfbbbb

[half vine]

ANNOUNCEMENT: one day, there will be a BBbbfP Pig. that day may come soon, or it may be a long ways off. please keep your eyes peeled for the BBbbfP Pig.

[wintry saddle]

🐷

[half vine]

👀
🐽

^ this is how i want you all to be looking

👁️
🐽

^ this is acceptable too

[twilit prairie]

Cyclops Pig

[crystal kite]

🐽

[limber onyx]

"I still remember the day like it was yesterday. The purple flames, the summoning circle, the smell of candles... and the light show that I watched as they emerged from the depths. The Demon. My Demon.
...
It was all so beautiful. The lights were the prettiest I have seen in my entire life. And the Demon... they were wonderful. So unlike the townspeople I lived my whole life with. The townspeople scorned me. They hated me. The Demon listened to my troubles and they comforted me. They listened to me talk on and on about the trivial things that I love, and responded with excitement and interest instead of judgment. And we made a promise. No matter what happens, we will be there for each other. In life, in death, and when only one of us is dead. On night number 4, I'd assume the role of Demon and finish the job of razing the hateful town... no, the hateful world to the ground.
After that, we'd be together forever."

"...
I remember the days after the summoning. I assumed the role the town expected of me, picking the prettiest flowers in the garden and selling them outside the voting booth. Yet the nosy detective of theirs called me scum. Condemned me for all to see and hear. Advocated for my public execution. But the Demon assumed the role expected of them, cleaning everybody's clothes, and took note of the petals on mine. So I was shown mercy.
Over the next days, however, something felt different. Two of the gang of imbeciles called me pure-hearted. Said that I deserve not death, but life. The girl next door approached me in private. She said that she sensed no hate in my heart. She said that I couldn't be acting like myself if I was an accomplice of the Demon. She urged me to tell her who they are. She told me that everything would be okay.
...
These empty words mean nothing to me. How could they, after everything that they've done? We are so close. 4 left before they are doomed. They won't be able to hurt me again. They will know what it is like to be hurt.
...
So what is bothering me so much? Where's this... sense of dread coming from? Like something is lurking in the dark, just beyond my sight.
...I need more sleep."

i don't know why i wrote this but here you go

[robust yoke]

Were you able to?

[blissful tapir]

Voila! The Brewulation & Boilers JSON

[robust yoke]

Awesome!

Will it mess anything up if I add a "Rose" reminder token below the "Day 4" token in Rose Bride's section?

[twilit prairie]

I'm not sure the json works (neither in the script tool or the app).
Probably to do with bloodstar's Loric limitation.

[blissful tapir]

ah i forgot to but go for it

[blissful tapir]

i've had it work in the tool and app? maybe refresh?

or browser issue?

[robust yoke]

I ran into that as well. It seems to be an issue of the Jinxes of Merry Man being before the flavor text instead of after

I'm trying to edit it myself but I don't really know how to write this stuff lol

[blissful tapir]

All fixed

yeah i added the jinx then forgot to check it so syntax was wrong

[robust yoke]

Current Rose Bride I'm planning on playtesting over on the official app!

[grand steppe]

👀

[warm moat]

Im checking

[blissful tapir]

Irishman (Townsfolk): Good can’t lose aura.

[half vine]

oh oops we forgot sorry

[warm niche]

Does a good Chancellor have to be told that there are no outsiders in play? since outsiders register as minions or demons to good?

[weak wasp]

thank you for creating this bhamber and Paradox! On page 20 of the almanac Skorn and Vertighost have the same examples text: however shall I run Vertighost?

[haughty turret]

There are examples here

[blissful tapir]

correctly 🙂‍↕️

[frank brook]

is there a master json for bbbbfp?

i want these characters in my script tool

nvm i figured it out from the bloodstar

:)

[half vine]

@frank brook

it’s in the pins

[frank brook]

thank you!

[blissful tapir]

<@&1440818085518119083> I’ll be running a scheduled game with characters here! Don’t know which ones so if you have any you’d like to see suggest them and I’ll concoct some ideas! #event-listings message

[robust yoke]

I'm interested to see how Augur plays

[hazy kindle]

valkyrie

[blissful tapir]

Aight, bhamber’s been forging in the workshop and we’ve got a very cool and much (much) sleeker Valkyrie that will be on script this Thursday so come along to find out 👀

[onyx lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-funny-haha-valorant-gif-11653650402971907754

[blissful tapir]

<@&1440818085518119083> Come join #scheduled-game-chat to play better Valkyrie!

[warm niche]

Hey what is this channel and why don't I have access to it 😭

[blissful tapir]

It’s scheduled game chat and you should have access to it if you click on it?

You don’t have NI roles

[warm niche]

I did something and it fixed it

[blissful tapir]

But it’s just where we played the script

[grand steppe]

"No matter what" 😭

Is this some unholy combination of "Even if for some reason they could not." and "This must happen."

[half vine]

ah right the new Valkyrie wording for anyone who didn't see it

If you nominate & execute a player, dead voters (if all were Townsfolk) rise & at dawn, no matter what, all but 3 players die.

this Valkyrie now requires exclusively townsfolk to perform a resurrection, and afterwards leads town into the final 3

[half vine]

it just means if even if you die, are drunk, are poisoned, or your character for some reason changes, or any other thing happens that'd stop the kill down to f3 after the resurrection, nuh uh it happens no matter what

it doesn't have official precedent but i don't think something necessarily needs precedent if it makes sense, personally

[elfin ginkgo]

mf ain’t familiar with no matter what tech

embarassing !)

[half vine]

oh right i have one more cool thing to put out there

TOKEN REVAMPS

these tokens feature the official leaf designs, as well as much bigger and more readable text

[blissful tapir]

Tbh it makes more sense than This Must Happen.

Like Riot without it really doesn’t change much

Whereas Valk without NMW actually changes a ton of interactions

[half vine]

riot is weird they don't even take this must happen to its logical extreme. almanac-wise it's just for the nominating thing

btw for new Valk, we recommend leaving the Valk alive into their final 3. this means the Demon has to make a choice between killing the confirmed Valk or knocking out a potentially deadly info character that just got revived (or is otherwise alive)

as for the resurrected players, you can just kill them again

[elfin ginkgo]

holy shit thank god i wasnt going crazy and the abilities were actually just small

[blissful tapir]

You’re always crazy

[grand steppe]

Nightmanwatch

[chrome ravine]

Holy shit i think pharoah is the misinfo i want on a script i'm making

I've been looking for a minion (with a whole bunch of constraints) that can mess up n1 info for so long

[silent ginkgo]

missing punctuation on sanctuary. kerning is weird on second row of chancellor

[silent ginkgo]

shrine maiden charname is weirdly stretched. sin-eater’s name has a weird space between a and t

i don’t understand new valk. do the risen townsfolk spend any day alive?

[blissful tapir]

almost certainly no they just just get 1 more night of information before perishing in ragnarok the next day

theoretically they could be 1 of the living 3 at the end but they're basically never the demon and we only recommend that the Valkyrie themselves doess thiss if they survive the night

[half vine]

i personally have no issue with shrine maiden, but yeah sin-eater looks a little odd which is fully the fault of the font

[half vine]

i've fixed these two, however

[jade nova]

shouldn’t Sanctuary’s first period be a colon?

[half vine]

oh whoops no but the if should be capitalised

[twilit prairie]

The original release, almanac & general clocktower wording would disagree. : is probably needed.

[half vine]

i'm a bozo and forgot which punctuation it was

after this i'm gonna just set up a google drive or something with the token images so i don't have to keep spamming with tiny little adjustments

[elfin ginkgo]

in before ability changes to

Each day, if 1 of 3 (min. 1 evil) all learnt isn't executed, evil wins, & if 2 of 1 team's executed, they lose. [2 yous]

[blissful tapir]

Yeah this is why it’s BBbbfP and not BBbbFP&P

[elfin ginkgo]

in before you ability changes to

Each night, you die.

your

fuck

ok man you win just fucking

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

[half vine]

it's one i'd certainly love to change if i found a better wording for it. the keyword here being "better"

sanctuary is weird cause the ability's not doing all that much but it gets real long to fit it all in. maybe it's cause the name is so long

[blissful tapir]

Change log: Sanctuary renamed to San

[frank brook]

delta clocktower

[blissful tapir]

BBbbfP&D 🙂‍↕️

[elfin ginkgo]

me when they released the alternate poppy grower rule (it’s a slight change in clocktower)

[limber onyx]

Pontiff might be missing a period after "you can't die"

[tiny marten]

It's at the end of the sentence (in the brackets.)

[limber onyx]

i'm going off of scarlet woman precedent here but that's fair

[half vine]

you're right!

i'll fix that right up

huzzah

[limber onyx]

yippeee

[somber remnant]

how would vampire work with poppy grower? would the demon and vampire still wake together?

[half vine]

so technically the poppy grower death wouldn't be demon and minion info, but like it's intended for demon and vampire to still wake together yeah (provided the vampire is alive)

[somber remnant]

and when the poppy grower is alive they dont know each other right? thats more of my question LOL

[half vine]

oh right no they wouldn't

[somber remnant]

cause i know with wraith they do (which i still find odd)

[somber remnant]

tysm! 💜 also these homebrew characters are really cool! i haven't seen this channel before

[half vine]

thank you thank you :D

[haughty turret]

If the vampire is dead then do ALL minions just wake?

I assume so

[placid prism]

guys

i just realized right now

Merryman

rhymes with Ferryman

and they’re both characters dealing with vote tokens

🤯

[jade nova]

can’t believe you’ve foreshadowed the upcoming hit new fabled, the Gerryman

[blissful tapir]

Removing Kenoboi from lost of future collaborators

[pale dove]

I like this one

[half vine]

thoughts on gerrymandering?

[pale dove]

Should be a clocktower mechanic

[half vine]

hell yeah

[jade nova]

it will be once the Gerryman hits the scene

[placid prism]

evil team can redistrict to pack the good players into one district and crack the other districts with evil players

[rancid steeple]

Seems like the image links aren't working anymore?

[half vine]

hmmmm i think they work on my end 🤔

[twilit prairie]

I actually loaded this this morning, so it works for me.

[rancid steeple]

huh how strange

I can't load them on my browser or on my cellular, so it's not an ISP thing

and the actual site itself loads

but if I send the link to someone on Discord they show up as an embed

[civic rapids]

... hey question

how do you run magician vampire

you cant just wake the vampire with the demon because that ruins magician

or does the vampire just learn the magician as a minion too?

[civic rapids]

... wait hang on they so do

although hang on wouldnt that still trivially solve it

vamp tells demon "yo so X is the good minion. talk to them find out who the magician is"

a trust fall still needs to happen but its only one way instead of two way

.... wait hang on no its a bad trust fall because the minion knows the only reason the demon would be so open about this is if they're the good minion

vamp magician is 🔥

[blissful tapir]

No you’d wake the Vampire and Demon separately. The Vampire would learn the Demon and Magician as the the Demon & the other Minions (thrall and regular if applicable). The Demon would wake and learn the Vampire, Magician, Thrall, and other Minions as Minions. The Vampire wakes during Demon Info but is still a Minion and thinks the the z magician is the Demon

[civic rapids]

oh huh

wait so does the vampire not learn the bluffs?

[blissful tapir]

They would but because they woke in the Demon Info step

Not because they're like registering as a Demon or anything

[civic rapids]

ah

[frank brook]

these characters are goated 🔥 🔥 🔥

i was like "hm tpi hasn't released any good silent minions for my Fang Gu / Lleech midsy, I just have Spy/Marionette and literally nothing else works in a way that I like"

and then I put Pharaoh on

you know, as a joke!

And then I realized "wait, this is pretty sick!"

and boom now it's a hybrid homebrew midsy

rotwood-poisoned augur being told that a townsfolk needs to consider the lleech

goes insane!

maybe this can work as a full script but i'd need to work at it

and also find a 4th minion, and a 3rd one was hard enough!

[half vine]

👀
🐽

[onyx lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/fentcord-true-coyote-gif-2599436844608872721

[fringe pumice]

oink

[blissful tapir]

How did you mess it up for it to be (edited) 😂

[fringe pumice]

it autocorrected to “pink” 😭

which isn’t necessarily incorrect

[half vine]

🐖

🐖
💩

well now the pig looks like it's standing on the poop

there we go

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-waddles-gravity-falls-look-what-gif-16328094

[blissful tapir]

"The Detective walked into the Pig Pen. It was a normal Pig Pen. For the most part. He was here investigating a vicious murder of the big mansion’s baron. But this crime had almost no clues. It was an impossible crime.

But, as the Detective looked around the Pig Pen, he began to notice… strange things. The Pigs, they’d hardly look at him, and their slop bowls were empty, instead filled with cooked, crispy bacon. It was bizarre.

As the Detective left the Pig Pen, he had a eureka moment. He turned to the horde of pigs. Among them, there laid a top hat. That was when the Detective knew, he could solve this case, all thanks to the…"

Ok the build up is done! We’re announcing the first of our “Paradox Packs”!

A collection of 4-6 characters often based around a theme that didn’t quite make it into a Big Batch

And for sheer stupidity and love of the game our first one is all about…

Pigs! 🐖

And we’ll kick off the release with a fun outsider concept.
Be careful what you say because in the land of boars it’s all they’ve…

Swineheard

Ah! This lil piggy ran off to the Demonic Underworld!

The Swineheard gives the Demon a delicious second demon ability!

Full almanac will be released after all characters but stay tuned!

[half vine]

we promise pig we deliver pigs

that's how we do it 😎

[frank brook]

I've never heard of this character before

[half vine]

well that makes sense cause i only ever discussed this idea with paradox

these characters have been toppest of top secret

[haughty turret]

I love the total lack of typos in the character name

[half vine]

wtf i give paradox one batch

smh my head

[blissful tapir]

You spelt it wrong

Anyway

[half vine]

it's a swine herder not like someone who hears swines

"swine, heard" is what i say after pixlate yaps at me

[latent pine]

XD

[blissful tapir]

• "you may have heard of the fearsome chupacabras, but my taste is only attuned to... PIG!"*

[half vine]

bro fucked up the quote

[blissful tapir]

There’s no such thing as a chupacabra but there is a…

Pig Chupacabra

[half vine]

okay guys guess what this one's called

[blissful tapir]

The Pig Chupacabra gets annoyed when people interrupt it’s flow @half vine

[half vine]

pig deal

[blissful tapir]

I’m on my phone out in the wilds

Living the pig life

[half vine]

oh and before anyone says anything, yes there is a HBL character called chupacabra, but chupacabras are real things that exist and as such I will theme things around them as I please

[elfin ginkgo]

mispelt "herd" idiot

[blissful tapir]

The character was always swineheard not hers thats tne point 😭

[half vine]

no?????

[elfin ginkgo]

ok well then you misspelt the token

[elfin ginkgo]

what’s this even a reference to 😭

[blissful tapir]

bhamber made the tokens

[frank brook]

oh so you're deflecting the blame

[blissful tapir]

How To Train Your Dragon

[half vine]

wdym

it's a reference to chupacabras and pigs

[blissful tapir]

Anyway

We can’t have a whole pig themed pack without…

@grand steppe

“Yo it’s me! Piglix!”

The Piglix is very cool and based

[half vine]

it's not speculation and spoilers (or adjacent) without THE unreleased guy

[kindred trellis]

can't make a script with all the pig characters becasue of +2 evil

smh

[half vine]

spirit of ivory is a lie

[kindred trellis]

dawg

[half vine]

but piglix works really well as a method of unveiling new homebrew characters

[kindred trellis]

oh yeah of course

[blissful tapir]

Pig

[half vine]

we might even go the piglix method sometimes in the future

if i allow it

[kindred trellis]

I think you need spiglet of ivory

[half vine]

i'm very particular about how i like doing stuff

[blissful tapir]

I’m doing my best to follow in those pigprints 🫡

[kindred trellis]

you are such goofballs

[elfin ginkgo]

what about

|| machinist piglix ||

[blissful tapir]

Don’t mention him here

[kindred trellis]

and the biggest goofball has arrived

[blissful tapir]

Ok good

Phew

[tiny marten]

Me when the

[grand steppe]

I'm ill, you're not allowed to make me laugh this hard

[grand steppe]

that famous piglix quote

[blissful tapir]

Well our pig pack isn’t quite over yet!

We had so many ideas related to pigs that we kinda just crammed them all in together for the last one it’s…

300 Feral Hogs

AHAHDBWKOSNWKA CNBELANQLNFHENAPPnwiqbfkciwnKkJNj

THE HOGS WE’RE SURROUNDED BY AN IMPENETRABLE WALL OF HOGS

[half vine]

🐷 x300

[elfin ginkgo]

🪞

[grand steppe]

who needs Riot when you have this

[half vine]

oh fuck this is mostly just riot isn't it

😬

nah it's different it's different

they're ALL hogs

[grand steppe]

now does this add an evil player or not

is it an outsider or a townsfolk

[blissful tapir]

Townsfolk

[half vine]

townsfolk, adds an evil player, but the unreleased ability should make up for it

if something real unexpected starts happening, you know it's probably piglix

but you don't know if it's from the good piglix or the evil piglix

[pale dove]

this is actually the perfect role because you can say your dad works at TPI and he told you about this super cool unreleased character and give them any ability you want

[grand steppe]

Can I suggest a change

"If you sign an NDA, you have a non-listed unreleased character's ability. (You know which.) [+1 evil Piglix]"

so then it becomes Amnesiac, but you know your ability, but you can't tell anyone about it

[half vine]

welp that's coming in as an optional rule for sure

[blissful tapir]

This Pig Party doesn’t stop though! 🐖🎉

[half vine]

oh fuck uh

[blissful tapir]

Atill got a Loric, Traveller and Fabled!

[half vine]

paradox hang on a minute wait a mutliple minutes

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait

i just got numerous calls from lawyers paradox

[blissful tapir]

Ita Pixlate ignore him

[elfin ginkgo]

SHUT UP

[half vine]

no these are big dog lawyers

not big dawg lawyers

apparently we've done some major fuckery here

so first of all, as it turns out, swineherd is apparently almost exactly a character from the Homebrews by Luis collection. so the HBLawyers aren't happy about that

[blissful tapir]

YOU SAID IT WAS CLEAR

[pale dove]

we talking attorneys of the arcane

[half vine]

Lawyers are angry about Piglix as well, because we didn't get his likeness

not from Piglix mind you, but from TPI

because TPI says they technically own Piglix because he was on the big wig art

[blissful tapir]

He’s just too magnificent to render in 2 colours!

[half vine]

i got a call from an actual chupacabra that they were upset about the pig chupacabra's theming so like that has to go too

and uh the 300 feral hogs

well

i'd explain what the deal is but i have now also signed an NDA sooooooooo

[blissful tapir]

So my entire paradox pack is… useless

[half vine]

maybe it'd help if we played in a piglix game for... reasons... but actually he's off the table already

[half vine]

yeah paradox none of this shit is workable

and i'm not risking anything else we can't have more lawyers after us

or it's all gonna come crumbling down

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-pissed-annoyed-upset-irritated-gif-4740537

Idk man I tried

That’s why you’re in charge

[half vine]

your typos really didn't help us out there yeah

but these 4 are going to the big shitter in the sky

[blissful tapir]

The Pig Pen is closed

[half vine]

i'll see if i can work something else out though because this is several months work of homebrewing

piglix was in my pocket since like august

[blissful tapir]

Please I need to end on a good note

[half vine]

hmmmmmm

[pale dove]

don't worry guys, when the law forces you to talk those messages down I'll be keeping them safe and secure

[half vine]

gerry be careful this is the equivalent of like 50 bags of crack

[pale dove]

it sure is

[half vine]

they'll seal you away gerry in some terrible jail

[pale dove]

unrelated I'm starting Gerrys and Joilers

[half vine]

please gerry you can't

[pale dove]

new release in ten minutes

[grand steppe]

-# (ba dum tiss)

[pale dove]

you know

I didn't get it until now

[grand steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[grand steppe]

"In Blood on the Clocktower, you can say whatever you want at any time. No characters prevent you from saying things, they may just punish you for doing so instead, like risking death, execution, or a lawsuit!"

[pale dove]

the last one being a real lawsuit implies the first two are literal too

[fringe pumice]

wait a fucking second

[twilit prairie]

-# not just that one

[blissful tapir]

Thank you :3

[random minnow]

Gave +1 Thanks to @haughty turret (current: #201 - 320)

[hazy kindle]

Finally, the best homebrew set has arrived

[blissful tapir]

I wouldn’t Bank on it; the Lawyers got to us

[carmine prairie]

you guys have .jsons ready for these, right?

[blissful tapir]

No the Lawyers got those too :(

[carmine prairie]

i suppose it's in flavour that i'll have to get my piglix .json in a back alley deal

[haughty turret]

I have a .json ready for my release today

These guys are clearly slacking

[placid prism]

wait are these actually good

[pale dove]

obviously

that's the Gerrys and Joilers guarantee

[normal quest]

GOOD POST

[fringe pumice]

if you like Swineherd then you’ll definitely like Porcher

😭

[placid prism]

oh is Porcher like

a knockoff of Swineherd

[haughty turret]

sure

[placid prism]

[fringe pumice]

brooooooo 😭

[placid prism]

[onyx lotus]

vro thinks hes greg heffley 😭

[mild schooner]

Question about Conductor, if a character with setup effects leaves play, is the intent that its setup effect can be reversed? E.g. if a starting baron is pit-hagged into something else, can the storyteller turn two outsiders into townsfolk?

[onyx lotus]

fucking better be

id need it for resolving script issues i come across often

[blissful tapir]

Whilst there are no examples of it, cough @half vine, the almanac does say it changes when a character enters or leaves play so yes (for now)

[mild schooner]

Cool, thanks

[half vine]

um

the only reason it says that is because you have the wrong summary thing?

[blissful tapir]

Checks out

[half vine]

Add the Conductor if your script has characters that are too weak or too strong if they enter play after setup.

that's what it should be

was this during your random changes that you wouldn't tell me about era

or did some old version i forgot slip through the cracks

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-swing-stuck-hanging-swinging-gif-15078643

Probably old version

But apologies @mild schooner big boss man says no

[half vine]

if you wanna run it differently, go for it, but it is not RAW nor is it intended

[peak furnace]

How can I credit BBbBfp if I put one of these in my script

[frank brook]

I just put it in the bootlegger rule

[half vine]

you can just say "hey [these characters] are made by bhamber and Paradox on botcu" and then drop a link to this forum

bootlegger rule is actually a really good shout yah

yeah you can just add "[characters] by bhamber and Paradox" to the bootlegger rule and then it's epic, and if you were also to throw out a verbal shoutout when running it we certainly wouldn't mind teehee

[peak furnace]

Brilliant

Sheriff does exactly what I want its perfect

[peak furnace]

Just ran a game with sheriff

is the intent to let it nominate dead minions

[blissful tapir]

It’s not the intent but more so a side effect lol

I think it’s fine because doing so makes you an obvious sheriff candidate for the Demon

[peak furnace]

Also unrelated but doesn't Sin Eater just volunteer for execution day 1

and avoid the loss con

[haughty turret]

Write good scripts and not bad ones?

[peak furnace]

Witch and psycho seem very good with it to avoid this

[blissful tapir]

the losscon isnt tremendoussly hard to avoid so like sure but also get good as town

but if games and testing prove it to be a consistent strategy we'd consider making it EID

[half vine]

nah it will never get an EID clause

because the optimal strategy becomes to still execute the sin-eater and then get them to spend their own dead vote

not very fun!

and sure we can then say "ermmmmm the sin-eater's vote doesn't count for it" but at that point we're just complicating the ability to a degree that i dislike

[blissful tapir]

oh troo ;

yeah town get good

[civic rapids]

is new sin eater jinxed with vortox?

kinda turns things into "execute? lose. don't execute? also lose"

[blissful tapir]

Get good?

It’s mean but like the characters still work

[civic rapids]

you literally only have 1 day to win because evil just self kills and uses a dead vote to proc sin eater

[blissful tapir]

Yeah it’s mean but a jinx to make it nicer is also solved by scripting it better

But @half vine can weigh in too

[half vine]

could do with a jinx maybe 🤔

i'll think about it

[blissful tapir]

Not even sure what a jinx would be

[civic rapids]

"The dead Baron uses their vote token when the Skorn is nominated. The Skorn is executed today. Evil wins."
to be clear am i interpreting the almanac here correctly that a sin eater evil win takes precedence over a good win from killing the demon

so good literally only has 1 day to kill the demon

and not 2 days

[blissful tapir]

This is in line with evil ability wins > good rule wins

[civic rapids]

the game just ends immediately d2

[blissful tapir]

But unsure on the “1 day vs 2” element

In relation to vortox?

[civic rapids]

with evil rushing to nom and use a dead vote sooner than whoever got executed

[civic rapids]

if an exe happens evil wins because sin eater

if an exe doesnt happen evil wins because vortox

so good cant win so the game is effectively over

n2 demon kills a minion to guarantee an evil dead vote

[blissful tapir]

Because evil rush noms the player left of the dead minion and wins

[civic rapids]

yep

[blissful tapir]

Ok framed like that I think it falls into evil auto win yeah

[civic rapids]

also im looking at thrill of the chase and theres no explanation for a sudden execution besides remnant on the script

if one does happen what happens then

does everyone just have to pretend that didn't happen kinda awkwardly and have weird conversations around the remnant because everyone saw that and knows theres a remnant so is obviously seeing through it all

or do you just kill everyone at that point

[half vine]

hmmmmm

i think the wait has been long enough

Droplets of water fell from the stone ceiling onto the stone brick floor. The monochrome walls played their part to fully enclose the dungeon in colourless rock. Empty cells lined its walls - in a chest nearby, laid pickaxes with which prisoners were forced to mine for whatever wardens had ruled this place, so many years ago.

Monstrous pig-like rats scurried across the floor, and the shelves, and the tables. Their DNA had been undeniably mutated from the many experiments that had been performed on them.

One such rat ran over an open book right into an hourglass, knocking it off the desk onto the floor. The sand began to fall. For the first time in ages, it was like time was moving in this place again. The long-silent bell rang out.

The other rats bit down upon the bones and vertebrae found frequently throughout the cold, grey corridors. The flesh had been long feasted upon. But, all of the sudden, most of them dispersed. For they heard the crashing boom of a mighty footstep. And then another. And then another.

The terrible beast lumbered into the chamber, knocking over any chairs and other objects without a second thought. It pulled out the arrow that had been stuck in its neck for what felt like an eternity. Its long, long slumber was finally over.

Only one brave rat didn’t flee, It remained upon the pile of bones, screeching at the monster. The monster, who silently raised its hammer with both hands, and then smashed down. No more screech was heard.

The beast looked around at its surroundings. There truly was nothing left here. Nothing, except for…

[half vine]

big batch 4 releases start tomorrow

yay!

[peak furnace]

Omg B&B from BBBbfP

[half vine]

from Monday to Sunday, check in at <t:1776013200:t> for cool release time

and, i had a deep talk with the lawyers. all that pig stuff is scrapped and gone. however, i'm happy to announce, we manage to scrounge up enough parts and the lawyers have cleared it

there will be a BB4 Pig

i cannot tell you when. it could be right at the start or right at the very end, or just somewhere in the middle. but this batch will contain a Pig

[blissful tapir]

Omg Big Batch 4 is coming folks! <@&1440818085518119083>

[half vine]

oh i also have one more thing to say about this batch

it will be our BIGGEST batch yet

it features a whoppering 13 characters!

[pale dove]

I'M OVERWHELMED

[lament matrix]

WOOOOO

[willow dirge]

WOAHHHH

13?

You spoil us

[peak furnace]

Could there be a full BBbbfp homebrew now

[blissful tapir]

are these not full homebrews? 😭

[peak furnace]

Script i mean

[crystal kite]

Huge

[placid prism]

https://tenor.com/view/let's-go-gif-9365045097663929950

[crystal kite]

Wait 13? Oh god

[chilly wren]

Now I watch them release every cool idea ive ever had

Now Ill have to rebuild all my releases 🥀

Fr

[chilly wren]

Quick beat them to the release

[fringe pumice]

wrong channel i think lol

or right

idk

[wintry saddle]

this is making me feel like i should start looking at releasing things

going to be a lot to keep up with uni

[jade nova]

Moll has a secret vault filled with homebrew gold that he refuses to share with the masses

[chilly wren]

Oh no

I meant to send it here

Introducing: Thingamajig (Demon)-

[wintry saddle]

i kinda do tho XD

[fringe pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/pen-in-flames-umineko-writing-in-flames-flames-gif-20892510

[wintry saddle]

there is a lot of pyrite too but still

[fringe pumice]

moll rn:

[elfin ginkgo]

i need to be filled to the brim with bhambrew

[chilly wren]

I have a secret vault full of homebrew icons gold that I'm planning on sharing with the masses

:3

But that we gotta wait on

[wintry saddle]

the best thing is my jinx sheet

[half vine]

me and paradox once had the name "Wachamakalit" for a demon once. the ability sucked so it died, but it's a good name so i'm glad i've remembered it

[jade nova]

the Yaggababble's distant cousin

[half vine]

this poll will decide today's second release

[elfin ginkgo]

fab led

😭

[half vine]

the first release is set in stone and it's a cool one

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-sat-meme-i'm-sat-gif-i'm-sat-meme-reaction-meme-gif-17661845417922560109

[grand steppe]

batch 4 is confirmed to have no townsfolk, outsiders, minions or demons

[half vine]

"Mother knows best."

Enough sitting around, it's time for you all to find out what we've been up to! Starting with...

Matrimur (Demon)

The Matrimur kills players who stand.

• From the moment a player stands up, until tomorrow dawn, that player might die.
• Players can die during the day, or at night.
• Multiple players can die in a day or night.
• At dusk, if no good players left their seat while they were alive today, evil wins.

HOW TO RUN
Whenever a player leaves their seat during the day, you may mark them with the LEFT SEAT reminder.

Each night, you may place a shroud on any marked players.

When you declare that a player has died, remove their LEFT SEAT reminder.

Each day, at dusk, if no alive good players left their seat, declare that the game is over and the evil team has won.

For players who use wheelchairs, you may count them as leaving their seat if they move away from their spot in the circle. The same applies to players who sit on chairs that provide mobility (such as chairs with wheels), or players who otherwise manage to move their seat without getting off of it. Make this clear to all players at the start of the game.

EXAMPLES
During the day, Guy stands up to talk to Stan, who is seated across the circle from him. That night, Guy dies. The next day, Guy and the other dead players walk freely around the room.

The Witch is on the script. Stu stood up today, and dies from the Matrimur's ability when he nominates.

Seth and Don were the only players who stood up today. Seth is the evil Baron. Don is the good Pacifist, but was already dead when he stood up. Evil wins.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by Paradox.

[peak furnace]

I love sitting!

[blissful tapir]

<@&1440818085518119083> Take a seat! It's a Matrimur!

[placid prism]

neato

[frank brook]

wait it's cleopatra but with your butt instead of your nom

that's fire

I love these irl-based characters

[half vine]

traveller has won, which i'll come back in 30-ish minutes for!

[blissful tapir]

Also here's a little guidance on running Matrimur online. It has a little jank and if you find a better method for your group do run it but what we I suggest!

Matrimur Online

When running Matrimur online, there are a few things to note and communicate to replicate it as close to in-person as you can.

• Players may talk to their neighbors privately & freely and it isn’t considered as standing unless declared.
• Dead players may talk to dead players freely as whether they are standing or sitting isn’t considered.
• A living player may declare they are standing- either through text chat or letting the ST know in a way- to initiate a chat with anyone.
• Other players can accept these chats without being forced to stand; but may declare they are standing too.
• Knowledge of who is standing is known if a player asks

[peak furnace]

No accessibility clause?

Or HTR i mean

[crystal kite]

This looks interesting

[ionic drift]

online, can a dead player get up to speak in private to an alive player without that alive player standing?

[peak furnace]

Oh cool

[peak furnace]

irl on top

[twilit prairie]

Absolutely fire

I've been going down the irl route recently too. Fun space to work in.

[blissful tapir]

Yes! This was something I wanted to emulate online - the abiltiy for a player to stand and visit players sitting. At the moment, without fancy app technologies and tools we cannot have, it would have to be an honor based system where a dead player initiates the chat vs the living (sitting player)

Basically, online, if you send out a ping to a non-neighbor player to chat to and they accept, it is the person who sent the ping that is now considered standing

[twilit prairie]

Maybe they can only talk in the pre made rooms?

[blissful tapir]

Definitely explore that but it does lose the privacy of chats benefited from online (a little bonus it gets because it loses body language in the deduction)

[half vine]

for accessibility rulings when it comes to players such as those in wheelchairs, you can count them as leaving their seat if they move away from their spot in the circle. we'll add it to the writeup soon

"Soul departed, but body remains. You're in my world now, and you do what I say."

Our last Traveller was a hand, and this one is two! It's...

Bokor (Traveller)

The Bokor controls the dead.

• The Bokor's dead neighbors are the dead players that are the closest to them.
• Each day, when the Storyteller calls for nominations, if the Bokor's dead neighbors do not have a vote token, they gain one.
• If one or both of the Bokor's neighbors already have a vote token, they do not gain an extra one.
• The Bokor's dead neighbors may only vote for a nomination if the Bokor also voted.
• The Bokor's alive neighbors are unaffected.
• If the Bokor has no dead neighbors, nothing happens, and everyone may vote freely.

HOW TO RUN
Mark each of the Bokor's dead neighbors with a ZOMBIE reminder. If the Bokor's dead neighbor changes, move the ZOMBIE reminder appropriately.

Each day, when you call for nominations, return vote tokens to the Bokor's dead neighbors.

The dead neighbors of the Bokor may only vote if the Bokor does.

If a player votes when they should not, you do not need to tally their vote, as all players already know who the Bokor is.

EXAMPLES
The Bokor's dead neighbors are Ash and Jamie. Ash and Jamie have no vote token. When the Storyteller next calls for nominations, Ash and Jamie regain their vote token. Ash uses his vote token today. Tonight, Carla dies. Carla is sitting closer to the Bokor, and is now their dead neighbor instead of Ash. Tomorrow, Ash does not regain his vote token.

Sydney is Harry the Bokor's dead neighbor. She wants to vote when Nathan is nominated, but cannot, because Harry doesn't vote.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by Paradox.

[fringe pumice]

hell yeah

i love vote token manipulation

[half vine]

we had vote token characters of the 4 main types, but here's the traveller to join them now!

this is our 2 releases for today. we also have 2 releases tomorrow, at the same time as today, and we'll throw another poll at you all to choose between Fabled and Loric!

also life pro tip about releasing homebrews, don't have a scheduled game you're running at the same time 😧 it gets stressful fast!

[ionic drift]

wait, it just clocked that this is a Demon

this whole time I thought it was a Minion, and thought it was a little weird it had the wincon

[limber onyx]

||Palabra de Dios and Matron had a baby||

[kindred trellis]

epic

i love bokor

[hazy kindle]

Paradox is this cause of all the times I shilled gorgon to you

[elfin ginkgo]

we have matron at home

pog

actually its like a matronopatra

[blissful tapir]

This is a bhamber character

[blissful tapir]

A powerful detail I think isn’t immediately clear but is technically an intended interaction for now is that Consult Roles do have to leave their seat in order to ise their ability! So are you willing to risk possible death as a Savant? Or hold off?

[mild schooner]

Me when my group uses wheelie chairs for clocktower

https://klipy.com/gifs/geeway-gerard

[half vine]

wait that seems so fun you could just spin around whenever you wanted to

talking to someone, go "wait 1 sec", do a 180, speak to another person

that must be the life

[half vine]

added a section to the how-to-run about how Matrimur interacts with wheelchairs and other kinds of movable seats

you may rule it as moveable chairs not counting should you wish, but beware that it may turn gameplay into seeing how far you can reasonably scooch your chair across the room

once again, this poll will decide today's second release!

our first release today is quite set in stone, even more than yesterday's i'd say ;)

(this is a hint)

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[elfin ginkgo]

release the golem

[olive knot]

I’m hoping for something petrification based

Like cockatrice, or basilisk

[ember cargo]

this is awesome, such a TPI coded Demon imo

[ember cargo]

THIS IS COOL TOO!!!!

[ember cargo]

this Demon was essentially a Wizard wish I ran once and the effect it had on in person games was genuinely so fun i love it

omg it pairs well with yaggababble too

bc everyone is seated the Yaggababble can say their phrase much more easily

[half vine]

if you want you can also throw in the HBL Flabberghast and you've got yourself a neat little demon trio

[ember cargo]

whats the Flabberghast

[half vine]

https://homebrews-by-luis.notion.site/Flabberghast-2118b1bffab28177a675d4ee21a704aa

[ember cargo]

"You shouldnt get up" gets up and explodes

[fringe pumice]

i’m just saying, if you want to make a collab script i’d be down for that 🔥

[blissful tapir]

Just make the script and credit our character

checks your script history

We’ll make the script and credit your character

[fringe pumice]

b r o 😭

my scripts are the bomb

wdym slayer and boomdandy is a bad choice together

[blissful tapir]

I’ve only ever played your bloodwrite script and it had choices for townsfolk lol

[fringe pumice]

tbh i’ve gotten a lot better since then

[peak furnace]

I put merryman on my homebrew bc why not

[fringe pumice]

you should see Choiche

idk if i’ve posted it here acc

but it’d be interesting to see a Matrimur/Yaggababble/Flabberghast script

ig it’s just a matter of what Minions would go well

[half vine]

"To dig and dig makes us free, come on brothers, sing with me!"

There's probably seven of these guys running around, it's...

Dwarf (Townsfolk)

The Dwarves know those who walk among them.

• There may be one, two, or three Dwarves, irrespective of the number of players.
• Each Dwarf learns the character of a player that is mad as the Dwarf.
• Dwarves may learn the character of a different player to each other, or they might learn the same as another.
• For each Minion that is mad as a Dwarf, the Storyteller chooses a Dwarf to get false info.
• If more Minions are mad as a Dwarf than there are Dwarves, all in-play Dwarves still get false info.
• Dead Dwarves may count as Dwarves that get false info.
• If no players are mad as the Dwarf, Dwarves do not wake to learn anything.

HOW TO RUN
While setting up the game, before putting the character tokens in the bag, replace zero, one or two Townsfolk tokens with Dwarf tokens.

For each Minion that is currently mad as a Dwarf, mark a Dwarf with the FALSE INFO reminder.

Each night, except the first, wake each Dwarf. Show them the character of a player who is mad they are a Dwarf.

EXAMPLES
Lewis, Simon, and Duncan, are Dwarves. On the first day, Lewis, and Chris the Mastermind are the only players mad that they are the Dwarf. That night, Lewis learns Chambermaid, while Simon and Duncan learn Dwarf. On the second day, Chris, Joakim the Saint, and Martyn the Soldier are mad as the Dwarf. That night, Lewis learns Saint, Martyn learns Dwarf, and Duncan learns Mastermind.

Liam is the only Dwarf. On the first day, Jonathan the Washerwoman, Zoey the Empath, Kim the Poisoner, Rick the Scarlet Woman, and Alex the Butler are all mad as the Dwarf. That night, Liam learns Imp. The next day, only Liam and Zoey are mad as the Dwarf. Liam learns Dwarf.

On the first day, Ross, Chris, and Tom are all mad as the Dwarf. They are all Minions. Ben the Dwarf is also mad as the Dwarf. That night, Ben learns Yaggababble, another Dwarf learns Shabloth, and the third learns Snake Charmer.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by Paradox.

[half vine]

i don't think the mods have fixed the ping yet so no ping. anyways, poll ends in 9 minutes

at which point you'll get a brand new probably fabled! :D

[blissful tapir]

<@&1440818085518119083> Dig into this! It’s the Dwarf! And stick around for another character soon!

[crystal kite]

Dwarf is interesting

[crystal kite]

Btw, what is the ping issue?

[half vine]

only mods can ping the ping i think

[crystal kite]

Afaik ping in forum post only pings people already in it.

[ionic drift]

mfw I'm the dwarf that keeps learning dwarf

[half vine]

yeah but if i were to send it it wouldn't ping the people in the forum either

when i type it out it doesn't autocomplete

i'm pretty sure only mods have perms to use it tbh

[crystal kite]

Ah, that's interesting

[blissful tapir]

I’ll have a look on the dashboard when I can in case it’s a YAGPDB thing

[crystal kite]

Just tried to fix it, lmk if it works

[half vine]

it actually can be useful, such as the second example where only Liam and Zoey were mad as the Dwarf. Liam could be shown Empath, but that'd be the same info he'd get if Zoey was a Minion. but, by showing Dwarf, you prove that Zoey isn't a Minion candidate

[crystal kite]

(the role had "allow everyone ping it" toggle off, which I think is the reason)

[peak furnace]

Duchess like tf, very cool

[half vine]

oh yeah i said i'd end the poll 3 minutes ago. let's do it now!

[half vine]

"You, Lord Swinnerton of the Albany Estates, would like to transfer all 4.2 million, all 3 Albany Estates, 1.74 more million in liquid assets, and full and complete ownership of them.... to a postal boy named Ricky Longwood? If you say so."

It's the Pig.

Banker (Fabled)

Use the Banker to allow the Demon to move to a more confident Minion.

• Some players are very unconfident playing as the Demon, but would still want to play as a Townsfolk, Outsider, or Minion. Newer players might feel especially anxious about being the Demon, should they be in a group that features mostly experienced players. The Banker gives them the option to pass their Demon-hood to a player who would feel more confident about being the Demon.
• Minions choose whether or not they'd agree to a swap during the Minion info phase.
• The Demon chooses which Minion to swap with (if any) after learning the Minions, but before getting their bluffs.
• The new Demon gets the bluffs.
• The swap can only happen during the very first night of the game.

HOW TO RUN
At the start of the game, declare the Banker is in play. Add the Banker token to the Grimoire.

During the first night, show each Minion the Banker token. Mark each Minion that nods their head yes with an AGREES reminder. Put the Minions to sleep. Wake the Demon and show them the Banker token. Then, point to each Minion marked AGREES (if none, shake your head no). If the Demon points to one, swap their characters on the Grimoire. One by one, show both the token of their new character.

If the Demon shakes their head no, or no Minions agreed, put them to sleep. They remain the Demon.

EXAMPLES
Gabriel is the Demon. Jeremy, Susie, and Fritz are the Minions, and all three agree to allow a swap. After learning his Minions and the bluffs, Gabriel chooses to swap characters with Susie. Gabriel is now a Minion, and Susie is now the Demon. Susie gets three bluffs.

Ryan is the Demon, and Kory, Justin, and Apollo are the Minions. Apollo agrees to allow a swap, whilst Kory and Justin do not. Ryan is informed that only Apollo agreed to swap. Ryan chooses not to swap.

ATTRIBUTION
Icon by Paradox.

[crystal kite]

Oo, this is nice

[jade nova]

ah yeah this is great

[twilit prairie]

Exciting. Making good fables is quite hard now that Lorics have split off. This is great.

[peak furnace]

PIG

is here

[blissful tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-pigs-piggy-fatty-oink-gif-13602824315590731710

[half vine]

the long awaited BBbbfP Pig

is upon you all

cherish it well

[blissful tapir]

How does Banker work with roles like Poppy Grower or Magixian? Lunatic? Kazali or Typhon? You may ask.

We don’t know :D

Answer probably is avoid those characters or find a cool ruling

[half vine]

for lunatic, probably don't fake any minions agreeing, for poppy grower, if any minions agree and the demon wants to swap, you choose who they swap with, do a variant of that for magician maybe, and then i don't think kazali or typhon need anything fancy actually

some of these work better than others of course

be mindful of which scripts you add the Banker to

[latent pine]

Oh I like this^^

[crystal kite]

Magixian my beloved :)

[fringe pumice]

yeah no Banker fucks

[ionic drift]

LoT I just wouldn't pair with Banker (or have Banker go before LoT would), and Kazali I think is perfectly reasonable

[half vine]

it gives kazali a lot more to think about which is fun