Clockwork Cyborg

[sudden tendon]

but also notice that the pictured version is 1.4 and the updated version is 4.5

anyway this is btb

it's the only script that makes kazali spoisoner viable

(by having all the minion combos be equivalently broken)

[fossil tiger]

?

[floral moon]

will throw up with kaz poisoner, nty

[fossil tiger]

I don't agree

[sudden tendon]

yeah and you have known weird positions on minion strength

[fluid tulip]

doesn't look bad at all. though i fear da+sw

[dapper carbon]

This is not a poisoner infoscape 😭 why is pois with science

[floral moon]

poisoner is a very delicate character

[fossil tiger]

what 😭

[fast maple]

tbf nobody's ever tried it

[sudden tendon]

anyway it works in practice which is the place things need to work

[floral moon]

DA aint even that guy anymore tbh

[fluid tulip]

3 YSK

[fast maple]

I'd give it a shot

[fossil tiger]

big if true (big)

[fast maple]

ok if it works in practice then fuck everyone who says it sucks

[fossil tiger]

This is not my Beautiful House (I think?)

[fast maple]

that's all I need to hear 🤩🤩

[fossil tiger]

(there's some WC script with poisoner and science)

[dapper carbon]

No things need to work when I rotate them in my head, nothing else matters

[sudden tendon]

things that don't work in practice: godfather on cc. please help

[dapper carbon]

It's got light science yeah

[fast maple]

-godfather +barber

[sudden tendon]

so true

[fast maple]

🤩

[sudden tendon]

this script needs 7 insanely damaging outsiders

[fossil tiger]

tbf

[sudden tendon]

that fixes its main problem, which is that the outsiders don't singlehandedly destroy every game

[fossil tiger]

this is why I guessed Parlour as damsel

bc I didn't belueve that 4 damaging outsiders would be racked

[floral moon]

you dont know me

putting in all 6 next time

[sudden tendon]

oh the funniest part is that pd/damsel/pm/moonchild is a totally plausible bag

[fossil tiger]

I was right

[fossil tiger]

sure but at that point in the game, if that's the bag, evil's won

[floral moon]

the original bag had +poli then i realized i forgot to pick kazali and had to reroll

[fossil tiger]

lmao

[floral moon]

IDK WHY IT

PICKS MINIONS

[sudden tendon]

notably if that had been the bag it would not have ended up with four in-play outsiders

[fast maple]

in parlour's spot there's a decent chance i bluff lib seeing damsel and get guessed d2

[fossil tiger]

sure, the bag removed the most "good for good" outsider there

[fast maple]

(pings among the ft claims obv)

[floral moon]

in parlour's spot i'd go all in on dc'ing the fortune teller and then bluff pixie

[fossil tiger]

that's 100% helping good mhm def

[sudden tendon]

yeah that tends to happen

that or it's the recluse who either starts bluffing a townsfolk and loses or keeps claiming recluse and wins

[drifting quail]

does the pm drunk the widow here

[fast maple]

Moonchild obv what else

[dapper carbon]

Drunk the kazali

[floral moon]

drunk kaz

[floral moon]

wait i was saying that wtf

evil twin

[sudden tendon]

bet you wish you picked godfather now

[dapper carbon]

No u

[drifting quail]

that remind me i put an evil traveler on a solo fang gu script

[floral moon]

dw travelers arent real either way

just make reverse BH

[drifting quail]

i was about to pm drunk one of the outsider to compensate but medway through i realized if the outsider is fang gu jumped to the game is just over for evil

[sudden tendon]

homescript interaction

[floral moon]

drunk the fang gu so they never jump to the puzzledrunk

[drifting quail]

(the pm end up drunking themselves instead)

[sudden tendon]

anyway I've seen cc bagbuilt at 11p with pm/pd/damsel/recluse and good won

but the kazali picked 2 outsiders

[drifting quail]

what if the kazali pick none 😭

[sudden tendon]

[floral moon]

dw moonchild always picks demon

[drifting quail]

yk

sometimes i wonder if damsel is one of the most damaging outsider out there

[floral moon]

depends on script, but yeah its on the worse side

i think poli is pretty damaging

[drifting quail]

omg

[floral moon]

NO THAT GAME NEVER HAPPENED

[drifting quail]

nevermind secret thing is already spent today

ill use tomorrow's secret thing question to ask about the top 3 most damaging outsider

[noble folio]

That's when you, the Storyteller, reconsider your life choices.

[drifting quail]

no no you see, in that case you drunk the scarlet woman

[narrow moth]

Golem, it has smash in its flavortext fr fr

Damsel is one of the least damaging because it ends the game so no more violence can occur

[crisp trout]

running this rn on the app

[fast maple]

PICK GODFATHER PICK GODFATHER SOMEONE PLEASE PICK GF 🙇‍♀️ 🙏 🙏 🙏

[fossil tiger]

Vati in my longtext thread when I draw Kazali in CC:

(I will pick Widow Cerenovus as medway intended)

[floral moon]

if i roll kaz the next time i play CC< i will

[fast maple]

you will lose the damsel wincon and lose the game due to no sw

[floral moon]

cere GF lowkey goes hard i think

[sudden tendon]

I can't add outsiders to a setup to save my life so I know I picked the damsel as widow anyway

[fossil tiger]

all info will either be wrong or founded on lies so the good team'll play werewolf but worse anyway

[sudden tendon]

The info roles on this script are strong enough you only need one of them to get anything useful to solve (it's always Moonchild)

[fossil tiger]

towncrier

[fast maple]

confirms the minion who damselguessed is a minion which confirms the lib/damsel pair

which solves via process of elimination

[sudden tendon]

Is a demon bluff, not an info role

[fluid tulip]

I see

[fast maple]

but there's no fang gu on cc who's gonna bluff it

[dapper carbon]

currently being played on the app but i cant spec for some reason unfortunately

[crisp trout]

just ran the most insane game of this ever

The demon outed evil in FINAL EIGHT

AND WON

[crisp trout]

lobby was full probably

final day was all evils + the politician, the demon and a confirmed good were both trying to sway the poli into nommin/not nomming

[dapper carbon]

oh ok

[crisp trout]

eventually the politican DECIDED TO PLAY FOR GOOD

and nommed the demon

but then the ceremad banshee used both their votes

and broke madness

and evil won

[dapper carbon]

huh

[crisp trout]

it was actually wild

[dapper carbon]

wild

[dapper carbon]

oh i just realized this was the same game lol

wild game

[crisp trout]

yeah it was all 1 game

[dapper carbon]

14p will do that

[crisp trout]

mhm

also there were like 8 nominations each day

and 2 days where no living player was executed

[dapper carbon]

best actual TC info in practice:

[floral moon]

why does that ping me

[dapper carbon]

😭

[narrow moth]

Cerenovus + Banshee strikes me as a janky interaction

I know I have personally avoided it in the past when putting together scripts

What can a Banshee reasonably say here to maintain madness as not being the Banshee when the ST announces that they are in fact the Banshee and might have used their Banshee ability a day or more already?

[fluid tulip]

hm, looking at this game, I have decided to update the script for vati to better align with player experience

[crisp trout]

its definitely intentional

cerenovus hard counters banshee

[fluid tulip]

that's

hm

but like

[crisp trout]

just claim to be the character they are and dont use their ability

i wouldnt break madness for that

[fluid tulip]

but

Like mechanically

They can't be anything but the banshee

[floral moon]

this is fake, put in widow like twice more

[fluid tulip]

Who are they fooling

[crisp trout]

amne shenangians

[fluid tulip]

no one

[crisp trout]

or claim ST mistake

[fluid tulip]

Sure amne is like the only thing

[crisp trout]

the main reason a cere locks a banshee is to prevent their ability from being used

[fluid tulip]

Amne is the only thing that makes that useful

Like salvageable

[crisp trout]

like in the game above i wouldnt have broken it if the banshee just claimed what they were mad as and did nothing

[fluid tulip]

Just in principle

The point of madness is creating an act to confuse other players

There is no act if there is no way to replicate an effect

[crisp trout]

yes its not perfect but i think the cool mechanical counters outway the social jankiness

i would love to get vati's thoughts tho

[floral moon]

i think you should just execute the cere

smh

[sudden tendon]

I think I'll be pushing a 5.3 with boffin soonish

It's not ideal but everything else is worse

[sudden tendon]

Town should just kill the cerenovus 😎

[floral moon]

run double widow

[sudden tendon]

It's a bit more common a play than I intended it to be so I think my ruling has shifted towards letting ceremad banshees freely singlevote but not doublevote

But it's also a thing the script has on purpose

Cere is always going to have weird interactions with roles with any public component

[fluid tulip]

pff

[teal compass]

How's CC for one minion games? I'm considering running it today because it looks fun, but am likely to only have 8 or 9 people

[sudden tendon]

Leans more towards good than at other counts but perfectly functional

(I think on net the script is slightly goodsided at 1, slightly evilsided at 2, and balanced at 3)

Be more careful with PM, and Moonchild is on the more outsidery end of its balance range because killing good players is worse (in practice the moonchild always picks an evil player and solves)

[crisp trout]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-kitty-cat-cute-dance-happy-gif-21589584

[fast maple]

Disaster, billions must die, the west has fallen, etc etc

[fossil tiger]

😔

the cardboard box trap is being set as we speak

[fast maple]

What does boffin do

[graceful seal]

vati I think you should just add Hannibal

[fossil tiger]

sober the damsel while it tries to look like the widow

[graceful seal]

wait

no

templar

or agitprop i dunno

or the objectively funnier option: chairman

[fast maple]

legit boffin abilities:

• lib (seeing pd/poli/mc/etc)
• general
• math
• dreamer
• amne
• banshee (kinda)
• recluse
• pd
• pm

[fossil tiger]

"guys please I'm a good minion over the widow 🥺 I can give you dreamer or uh uh uh puzzlemaster? widow does both of those better save 1 outsider that might not even be in the bag? please pick me anyway 🥺"

[sudden tendon]

It's almost like literally no released minions will do something better than that

[fast maple]

wait for an unreleased minion to come with the carousel :)

[sudden tendon]

Your argument is "people will pick it", which means I think it's a good fit :^)

[fossil tiger]

Vizier :3

[sudden tendon]

Omen (real)

[fossil tiger]

Vizier actually does something different over Widow

this script has like 10 different sources of ongoing info to push on/go off of

[sudden tendon]

Vizier has several problems here but the sticking point that ultimately rules out multiple minions is "what configurations make widow pings unbluffable"

[fast maple]

It loses

[sudden tendon]

well, that's not different

[fossil tiger]

wrong :3

[odd field]

I just want to say i like the funny monkey

[fossil tiger]

I would rather have godfather over boffin

[sudden tendon]

kenoboi doesn't

[odd field]

sad…

[sudden tendon]

also organ grinder multiplies evil team configurations where other minion abilities are unbluffable

[graceful seal]

ignore kenoboi

add gf

[sudden tendon]

no I'm ignoring req not kenoboi get it right

[fossil tiger]

:(

[graceful seal]

no but see I agree more with req

therefore, kenoboi must be ignored

[fossil tiger]

👉👈 Marionette?

[odd field]

similar to OG, godfather isnt really bluffable here if it actually gets to use its ability

[graceful seal]

ok nvm ignore req

[odd field]

OG however at least has an ability

[sudden tendon]

even hystrex admits that won't work, which says something

[fossil tiger]

grr

[graceful seal]

MARIO KAZALI IS BAD

Mario's strength, is covered by Kazali!

[fossil tiger]

lemme go over all the minions

[graceful seal]

It's the worst choice

[sudden tendon]

anyway starting work on the hybrid homebrew cc fork with gf -> omen and [something] -> occultist

[graceful seal]

vat just add wizard nerd

[odd field]

what’s omen again

[sudden tendon]

I am trying to diversify picks

[graceful seal]

or add xaan

[sudden tendon]

"things you are mad about might become true"

[odd field]

oh fun

[graceful seal]

vat

xaan

[odd field]

xaan+kazali is insanely swingy

[graceful seal]

consider:

people will choose it

also

funni

[fossil tiger]

Assassin - too easy counterplay to banshee
Baron - no
Boffin - worse widow
Boomdandy - ?
Cerenovus - on script
Devil's Advocate - ? edit: too powerful
Evil Twin - bad socially
Fearmonger - bad
Goblin - ? edit: bad with PD
Godfather - coming off
Harpy - vati no likey
Marionette - no
Mastermind - no
Mezepheles - no
Organ Grinder - too loud
Pit-Hag - no
Poisoner - no
Psychopath - too loud/powerful
Scarlet Woman - on script
Spy - worse widow (kinda)
Summoner - no
Vizier - too loud
Widow - on script
Witch - on script
Wizard - no
Xaan - ?

[graceful seal]

goblin/xaan

[fossil tiger]

so there are 4 minions that idk why it's not over boffin

[graceful seal]

cool

[fossil tiger]

Boomdandy, DA, Goblin, Xaan

[sudden tendon]

goblin and boomdandy have been discussed pretty extensively

[odd field]

goblin might be the pick

[sudden tendon]

DA just autowins here

[fossil tiger]

yes I juts don't remember it

[sudden tendon]

swoblin moment

[odd field]

is there a problem with swoblin

[graceful seal]

no discernable difference

[odd field]

i mean dreamer/savant exist on this script

[graceful seal]

They aren't always in play

[sudden tendon]

goblin's interactions with plague doctor are pretty horrific in this info landscape (the game is fully unsolvable if a pd claim dies ever); boomdandy works better but this script is begging to not have an execution disincentivizer because it's already hard for town to kill into the evil pings that exist and there are too many endgames with 1 million living minions as a consequence

[odd field]

oh true PD goblin also exists

thats def a problem

[sudden tendon]

that's the swoblin in question

[odd field]

oh ok

[graceful seal]

vat

consider

[sudden tendon]

"goblin with the scarlet woman ability" is not an outcome I'm enthusiastic to put here

[graceful seal]

remove

plague doctor

[sudden tendon]

no

[odd field]

I thought you meant SW and goblin being on the same script

but no i see the issue now

[graceful seal]

and replace it

with hatter

and then, add goblin

[odd field]

can someone give a summary of what the issue was with boomdandy as well

[sudden tendon]

I see the vision though I don't like hatter goblin either

[sudden tendon]

boomdandy works better but this script is begging to not have an execution disincentivizer because it's already hard for town to kill into the evil pings that exist and there are too many endgames with 1 million living minions as a consequence

[tired heron]

isnt that almost just swoblin again but slightly delayed

[sudden tendon]

boomdandy is basically the role you put on a script if you need a reason for town to not kill into evil pings all the time

[odd field]

yea that makes sense

maybe the 5th minion should just be wizard lol

[sudden tendon]

also hatter's playstyle is less interesting

[odd field]

i mean you say that wizard will always be picked but idk how true that will be in real games

[timid flume]

Boffin is for the greedy Kazalis out there I like it

[graceful seal]

fine

I then suggest

[odd field]

evil players bluffing wizard wishes with no in-play wizard is a fun dynamic too

and other minions have more guaranteed value for the evil team than wizard

its not really a centralising pick imo

any more than widow is

[sudden tendon]

the best description I've seen of kazali wizard is that it's the philo-snakecharmer of kazali picks

[odd field]

and philo-snakecharmer is based and funny

[sudden tendon]

it's not strictly optimal but it is absolutely going to be way overrepresented for reasons irrelevant to strict optimality

[odd field]

i just dont know if you can say that itll be way overrepresented until other people start playing with it

I don’t think it’s that obvious imo

maybe it is tho

[graceful seal]

10 of Infinity Trades, Master of none

[sudden tendon]

but yeah, thinking about what's given this script longevity, it's more or less that I've managed to hit a balance of "serious puzzle-solving" and "play with your friends :)"

and whatever minion #5 is out of "minions that exist" has to be pretty careful to not disrupt that balance

stuff like "swoblin existing" and "DA autowin" throw the balance off

[graceful seal]

this is like my legion script

[sudden tendon]

dw tpi is gonna drop 50 new minions in the carousel

(none will fit)

[graceful seal]

1 will fit

[crisp trout]

yes

this is

a lot

[odd field]

and i think wizard hits that balance reasonably well

[fluid tulip]

I like wizard but I think it's too much here

Also

Although it's underrated

I dont think boffin dreamer is strictly a worse widow

Or a worse spy

It gives the bluff that matters to the Demon

[teal compass]

I didn't end up running this bc I only got 6 players, but later another st did - they were a new enough st that they probably should have still been running base three tbh, so the game was kinda scuffed (blatant public amne ability that ended up costing good an execution, three outsiders in an 8 player game except the puzzlemaster drunked the damsel?) but somehow the scuffed parts balanced out so it ended up being a close game.
But significantly, the kazali actually made a godfather. It didn't get a kill because pd died n2 and the other two outsiders were in final three, but the script presence did a good job making us wary of executing outsider claims (especially with a dead plague doctor that could have given the ability), so idk I kinda feel like it works well here

[noble folio]

[primal holly]

be me
kazali on CC with boffin general
make a kill
good is strongly winning
mfw

[teal compass]

(hilariously, the godfather didn't realize that they should have learned the damsel two times instead of just from their ability, so proceeded to correctly damsel guess when the demon was on the block only for nothing to happen)

[sudden tendon]

three outsiders in an 8 player game except the puzzlemaster drunked the damselincredible

[primal holly]

no that’s like

hear me out

[sudden tendon]

guessing good won based on "when the demon was on the block"

[primal holly]

god imagine being the godfather who learns about a damsel once

[fluid tulip]

Yee

I get godfather it's just bizarrely... the risk of it speaks more than its actual effect

[teal compass]

Yep

It was a final three where anyone could have theoretically been the demon, but socials (barely) won it for us

[drifting quail]

tbf with that you normally just piece them together

alternatively boffin damsel

🔥

oh my god that's how you solve the kazali evil sided/good sided set up

you just boffin the recluse to add the puzzlemaster

[sudden tendon]

exactly

you see the vision

kazali picks pm as boffin? guess what ability they get

[drifting quail]

and then there's always the floating drunk

you'll never run out of outsiders

and if pd dies early just use the minion abilities to boffin pm drunk another outsider

[crisp trout]

oh yeah also PD boffin exists

if the kaz doesn’t pick widow or boffin then it has utility that widow doesn’t in terms of grimpeeking

huzzah

[dapper carbon]

Ran 3 games today

I do not like kazali as a character and this only solidified that but the script itself goes hard

[graceful seal]

wow ok

I thought you would see the vision by now

[dapper carbon]

The minions were the same 2 people every time 😭

[graceful seal]

That's a skill issue

[dapper carbon]

Game 1: alsaahir snipe
(Philo = alsaahir, rk = banshee, sh = pd, you'll never guess what kazali is)

The BC got witch cursed immediately 😭

The pixie saw TC but broke madness

[graceful seal]

why isn't slayer alsaahir

[sudden tendon]

the philo icon is a pipe and the alsaahir icon is a hookah

it's thematic

[graceful seal]

but

the tech tree

[dapper carbon]

The MC was gonna be puzzledrunk but then the PM became the witch

[dapper carbon]

Yeah that's the only reason

It's... an ok reason

[graceful seal]

I just played a game today with me being Lleech

the Lycanthrope killed my host

because the ST didn't make them the faux paw

[dapper carbon]

Also "is the philo" can be used for banshee proc which is marginally better than "no ability"

[graceful seal]

BeCaUsE tHeY cAnT MoDiFy It AfTeR sEtUp

[sudden tendon]

anyway what about the other 2 games

[sudden tendon]

I'll take it

[dapper carbon]

Not too much else notable happened that game, it was over pretty quickly

[dapper carbon]

Hey hey guess which minion the demon chose

Game 2: damsel win

[graceful seal]

yo GODFATHER???

[fast maple]

the godfather genuinely works here you have to keep it it goes so fucking hard

[dapper carbon]

The damsel was on the block so if she didn't guess she would've gotten a kill

[graceful seal]

that goes HARD

[sudden tendon]

anyway did any of the games go past d2

[dapper carbon]

I believe the reminder tokens tell the full story, here's the savant info

[dapper carbon]

You should take a guess as to who & what the evil team was for game 3

Or I guess their positions

The exact same evil team 😭

[sudden tendon]

swerenovus?

[dapper carbon]

And I think this game proves why gf goes hard

[dapper carbon]

Nah just pd cere

[sudden tendon]

tell me everything 👀

[dapper carbon]

D1 the mc is executed

Important note: she is not puzzledrunk

[drifting quail]

classic kazali moment

[dapper carbon]

She chooses the demon

So the demon kills a good player and the godfather kills the demon

Now the SW is the new demon and gf's presence is unclear

Then

A seam no on the pd and demon (who's "moonchild confirmed") gets the pd executed

And the gf kills to f3

(the poli died at night earlier)

[graceful seal]

As some politicians do

[dapper carbon]

Also, the TC is now ceremad as the damsel on the final day (this is also the night they died)

[graceful seal]

That goes hard

[dapper carbon]

The demon is nommed early and gets 3 votes

Then the evil team is able to build a good handful of worlds where literally anyone else is the demon, and they send it on the amne instead

[graceful seal]

Wait 3 votes

[dapper carbon]

Evil could've rose up but they didn't

[graceful seal]

Doesn’t evil just tie or did evil vote

[graceful seal]

Ah

[dapper carbon]

I mean technically they did but at least one good player voted with them. I think 3?

Speaking of amne, the amne ability in game 2 was "each night, choose a player: the damsel, if chosen, learns this & has no ability"

I was worried about the damsel on a social level then the amne died n2 and there wasn't much I could do

[sudden tendon]

This is the second game of this script where a "preacher for outsiders" amne died n2

[drifting quail]

wait the day 2 first statement isn't vacously true?

[dapper carbon]

I clarified that the statement implied that poli was in play

[sudden tendon]

[hystrex voice] so when are you replacing the kazali with another demon

[graceful seal]

Only demon that could remotely replace Kazali

Is

[drifting quail]

what's the current cc?

[graceful seal]

SOLO TYPHON LMAO LOL LOOOOL

[dapper carbon]

In game 3 the amne ability was "each day, if you publicly guess which minions are in play, learn the demon tonight"

[graceful seal]

Actually wait

[fast maple]

and it's perfect

[dapper carbon]

Keep godfather 🙏

[graceful seal]

Hold on lemme cook some bullshit

[fast maple]

maybe math is extraneous but otherwise it's perfect

[drifting quail]

mmmmm

[dapper carbon]

Oh yeah math is literally just librarian seeing PM

[fast maple]

You gotta keep Godfather it's so good

[sudden tendon]

math is extraneous until the puzzledrunk gets judge-slammed d1

[fast maple]

skill issue

[drifting quail]

but like

playing here

[dapper carbon]

I don't like math here

[fast maple]

sometimes the tb poisoner gets executed d1 and you don't have a math there

[sudden tendon]

the wicked widow:

[sudden tendon]

you do it's called undertaker

[crisp trout]

godfather is still problematic in its doublekills outside of this exact scenario

[drifting quail]

isn't game 2 moonchild the only possible "gf as misinfo" on this script?

[crisp trout]

that’s why i don’t like it

[drifting quail]

like it's the one intended (tm) interaction

and idt game 1 outcome change whether its gf or not so im not mentioning it

[dapper carbon]

Kazali note (not a script note beyond the fact that it's a kazali script): the same player was the SW in all 3 games. He pulled dreamer/oracle/dreamer and was excited to play those and then pulled SW after specifically asking for not SW

feelsbad

[drifting quail]

kazali is a major feelsbad for group meta

but this isn't cc related so

[crisp trout]

yeah i never play more than one kazali script per session for that exact reason

[fast maple]

not for bra1n's apparently

[dapper carbon]

No?? It can be loud sometimes and that's okay

[dapper carbon]

Oh valid

[crisp trout]

ehhhhhhh

[sudden tendon]

also I think cc is finally balanced and it's so based

[fast maple]

it's a tradeoff between confirming goodies and speeding the game up and I think it rocks

[drifting quail]

i mean loud sometimes here is "every time but this interaction"

[crisp trout]

unless it’s late game i do think it’s more detrimental to out both GF existence and confirm a player

[sudden tendon]

I should've added damsel like 4 versions ago lol

[crisp trout]

unless they’re like super hard mega confirmed outsider but then why are you executing them

[fast maple]

an extra kill can be devastating is the thing

also pd gf goes insane

[crisp trout]

again, disagree

[fast maple]

You can just be wrong

You've never actually played a cc godfather game :)

[crisp trout]

gf should not be forced to choose to sink to not hard mechanically confirm multiple worlds

another reason GF does not belong on 90% of customs

[fast maple]

have you played hide and seek

[drifting quail]

i mean it's an interesting dynammic

[sudden tendon]

tbf I'm still searching for the opportunity I'd want to ever use it

[drifting quail]

but like

[crisp trout]

it is a BMR character

[drifting quail]

idk, for free gf here is

just be a better witch

[dapper carbon]

Normally I agree but it doesn't limit worlds nearly as much here because it's not load bearing

[dapper carbon]

When the pd is executed perhaps

[drifting quail]

in reference to kazali's arbitrary outsider count?

[sudden tendon]

well yeah but at what time

[crisp trout]

is this allowed

[dapper carbon]

Yeah mostly

[crisp trout]

isn’t gf like leviathan where it has to see the kill

or nah

[sudden tendon]

too early and it's unhelpfully loud, too late and it's an autowin that's unfair to do with pd

[dapper carbon]

Doesn't that not even make a difference

[dapper carbon]

I don't even think that's unfair tbh

[fast maple]

It's not

[sudden tendon]

gf is backwards-looking, it's the classic catfishing interaction of pithagging in a godfather after the mutant pops

[crisp trout]

one might argue the gf ability didn’t come into play until after the PD died and thus the GF didn’t see the death

[fast maple]

BMRhead in name
does not understand bmr character

[sudden tendon]

(catfishing being gf's second homescript)

[crisp trout]

but if it looks back then nvm

[fast maple]

gf doesn't have to see the kill

[crisp trout]

i forget things

the dementia consumes

[fast maple]

im being a hardass ur good

[drifting quail]

me when i lie

[sudden tendon]

me when I tell the truth

[fast maple]

big if true (medium)

[sudden tendon]

it really is

[drifting quail]

anyway still slightly unimpressed the one good gf game is the intended (read: moonchild is an outsider?) interaction game

but eh

[fast maple]

no the damsel game was aided by gf too

it knew the damsel wasn't puzzledrunk

[sudden tendon]

there was also the time they got a kill immediately and mechconfirmed the good player bluffing a widow ping for some reason as "outed evil"

[drifting quail]

i

[sudden tendon]

(he didn't hear anyone else claiming a ping and meta'd that there was a self-poisoning widow)

[drifting quail]

i feel like the burden of proof isn't on my side here 😭

what interesting individuals

[sudden tendon]

well this was before the script had damsel so it was still me trying to desperately prevent it from being 95% widow games

[drifting quail]

damsel is a broken outsider anyway people will one day understand

[sudden tendon]

seriously I should've added it 4 versions ago it works so insanely well this is the script the jinx was made for

[drifting quail]

just hope

[sudden tendon]

yeah it's legitimately mostly not widow now

instead they overrepresent scarlet lol

but that's fine

[drifting quail]

wizard

hehe

[crisp trout]

scarlet is by far the strongest minion here

it allows for so much shenanigans

also side tangent

politicians need to play for evil more on this script

maybe it’s just a fluke

but whenever i run this the poli either hard outs and plays for good as a blank token

or at least doesn’t do anything fun

like i want to see a poli fake a widow ping or ceremadness

[sudden tendon]

mizu knows all about politicians playing for evil on cc :^)

ime you get the whole spectrum

[drifting quail]

what

i don't remember anything

i was just the savant getting confirmed by my pixie

[crisp trout]

oh yeah fake pixie pairs that too

[drifting quail]

actually widow being an evil gambler here is so funny

[crisp trout]

i genuinely forget pixie is on this script

it’s really good here tho

i just never see it do anything

[drifting quail]

you either gamble to get an extra evil (poli), or get an extra blank token (damsel)

the solution btw is to put poli damsel on a bag together

[sudden tendon]

basically yeah

it's really funny

[sudden tendon]

it causes evil to win due to being a bluff in a damsel game

[drifting quail]

it is funny, but it does increase game variance

but like, not my problem haha

[sudden tendon]

, which is based

[drifting quail]

truly kazalipilled

btw

if you remove gf somehow

do you also remove mc here

[crisp trout]

wdym

[crisp trout]

iirc vati said that moonchild is supposed to be a quasi-tf

like it should be racked as a TF

[graceful seal]

It’s a demonsbane

[crisp trout]

even with godfather there’s not nearly enough death mod to justify it being an outsider

[crisp trout]

sorta but it can also be executed

[graceful seal]

As I said, a demonsbane

As in, the bane of their existence

[crisp trout]

demonsbane usually refers to one of the roles that the demon doesn’t want to kill

banshee sage RK farmer soldier

[graceful seal]

See the increasing altitude of the humorous statement is hovering over your cranium

I’m copying that

[crisp trout]

oh it’s a joke

i need sleep

goodnight

[fast maple]

anyway vati so you're not removing gf right

[dapper carbon]

Also yeah the one poli that the kaz didn't pick lost with good

[graceful seal]

The vision was seen

[dapper carbon]

It wasn't a borderline call or anything either

[sudden tendon]

It's complicated

[graceful seal]

It should be racked like golem

[sudden tendon]

You can do +1 with a moonchild and you can also do +2 with a moonchild. Probably keep +2 with non-moonchildren to a minimum in 1/2 minion games (but the bluffspace is a thing)

If it's a townsfolk it's not a very good one but it's not really an outsider either

It's something that only exists in solo Kazali

[fast maple]

it's like kinda reverse virgin

[sudden tendon]

Notably typhon has a different set of weird considerations and sentinel opens up townsiders but doesn't truly remove the border

[dapper carbon]

I mean sure but Typhon definitely removes the tf outsider line even if it has the whole rest of solo Typhon to deal with

And yeah sentinel opens up 1 townsider in each direction

[sudden tendon]

Typhon adds an extra minion which means it nullifies the reason outsiders exist

[dapper carbon]

I mean... not really?

[sudden tendon]

You can kinda splash outsiders on kazali scripts in a way you can't on typhon scripts

[dapper carbon]

There's still a difference between 7p and 9p

The power level of town should be different depending on base outsider count

Ofc setup swing exists but that's a different story

[sudden tendon]

Probably not (we'll be back here in 6 months after no one picks it for the whole time)

[sudden tendon]

I will note this script had moonchild before it had godfather

[fossil tiger]

nah that's the best part of Kazali :3

-# 5 out of 6 of my CC games have been minion I am very biased :3

[sudden tendon]

Unironically I think your perception of this script is pretty skewed by how disproportionately your experience of it is from a minion seat

But basically everyone in this thread myself included is someone who specializes in coming up with outre takes so I downweigh that

[fossil tiger]

I've talked to dire about this, likely true

the only CC good game I've played I have a dream-like memory about because it was like 3 days long

maybe 2 😭

[crisp trout]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-pain-crying-gif-19361950

[noble folio]

Just because Hystrex found the two people on the planet that (probably accidentally) picked GF twice and did not end up with non-games due to there being +2 Outsiders and neither getting turned into a minion? SMH

[dapper carbon]

No no it was the same person

He pulled the demon token twice

The gf was also the same person

(and the SW)

[sudden tendon]

hey I know at least 4 people have done it

[fast maple]

nobody's gonna pick boffin either

"oh yes I would like boffin-general to see if my team is losing" "hmm I would like boffin-banshee and then go outed evil once the boffin dies" statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[fossil tiger]

My opinion of Boffin on this script stays being “Boffin on CC is a cardboard box trap for Kenoboi in specific”

[fast maple]

tbh you know what i'm thinking? this is gonna piss hystrex off

math --> steward

[fossil tiger]

⁉️

big if shitty?

[fast maple]

(small)

[fossil tiger]

(big)

[fast maple]

im a big cc steward fan

[drifting quail]

not the widow stock rising again 😭

[fast maple]

i get why it was taken off but i want it on 👉 👈

[drifting quail]

what about fish?

[fast maple]

that is like the filler townsfolk

i'm not opposed but also it's more ST overhead

[drifting quail]

fish getting advice early and get widow poisoned
fish getting advice late and get ceremad as poli

hehe

hmm lemme browse some townsfolk

one day wizard will get into cc huff copium

[fossil tiger]

I like Fish

but honestly

I see Vati’s vision in Math

it’s not an SSB type Math but it’s still good

[drifting quail]

patters huntsman

[fossil tiger]

one might even say it’s a different kind of mathmatics

[fast maple]

I fucking love huntsman as a townsfolk but i like this script only having 2 jinxes

and solo Damsel goes pretty hard here

[drifting quail]

like i think huntsman kinda cooked here (the buffed version)

[fast maple]

noble? we talked about noble right

[drifting quail]

it bypass kazali just getting lucky pick and making a slightly unfun set up
and it forced minion to fear into having to damsel guess early

and also it provide the newly turned damsel with a not in-play bluff

[fast maple]

i don't think vati likes patters huntsman anyway

[drifting quail]

l

[fast maple]

gamers:
undertaker

provides direction for a d1 execute 🤩

[drifting quail]

no 😔

how does evil counter a ut here

[fossil tiger]

Widow poisoning presumably

[drifting quail]

widow provide both poisoning and grimpeek yes

but if no widow ping

(haha)

[fossil tiger]

Witch or Girlfriend killing presumably

Cerenovus locking presumably

[fast maple]

what requiem said

rotating this around in my head

[drifting quail]

i think ut clear too much world

[fast maple]

it's really strong but it provides direction on d1

maybe it's too synergistic with dreamer?

but cannibal/dreamer is a thing on a lot of customs and that turns out ok

[long glen]

Cannibal instead?

[drifting quail]

dreamer is fine here at least because it's a bit bluffable

[fast maple]

worry about canni-ysks and canni-seamstress

[drifting quail]

worst case no widow just confirm your evil, with ut it's 😔

hmmm

is oracle too much overlap with general?

it probably is

[fast maple]

this exposes you mizu

general =/= diet oracle

[drifting quail]

right but they do have some overlap

[fast maple]

a little, but they justify themselves enough

[drifting quail]

if you’re continuously exing the wrong people, you probably want to change your world

[fast maple]

idk i'm dealing out grims and i fw noble here

ut probably stinks here but it's an idea for driving d1 executions

(most of my noble pings had the demon in them)

also recluse/noble is just perfect interaction

[long glen]

How though?

[drifting quail]

first 4 execution gonna be the noble pings + noble

actually when i think about it isn't it objectively better to keep your noble ping alive

[fast maple]

the recluse can screw with the noble pings! it's like this hit script trouble brewing with an investigator and a recluse

[drifting quail]

oh

actually i don't like noble-recluse interaction 😭 nvm

[fast maple]

have you heard of trouble brewing

[drifting quail]

no

[fast maple]

that'd do it

[drifting quail]

hey nerdguy agrees with me

my problem with noble recluse is that noble is not that strong in the first place, and it getting recluse more often due to having a whopping 3 targets is just a feels bad

this is further amplified by kazali just uh, not having a proper outsider count

[graceful seal]

Again

TB

is

just

socials

[drifting quail]

wait no that's not the point i'm trying to make

[graceful seal]

TB isn't an example

I find Noble is a very good character, but it works better with Vortox IMO

3 worlds or 5 worlds is an interesting distinction

[dapper carbon]

If you promise to never show the poli then it sucks less than normal in this misinfoscape....... but also it's a widow script why would you not put a washerwoman or smth instead

[fast maple]

washerwoman on a widow script? ww belongs with my bestie spy

[dapper carbon]

Sure

But did you know that combining characters works sometimes

[drifting quail]

WW is not bad here since a puzzledrunk WW can see a minion with a pre Kazali’d bluff

[fast maple]

thats true actually

but i like the steward 😭

it's such a silly little guy

[drifting quail]

nuh uh

[dapper carbon]

why 😭

[fast maple]

^^^^^

[dapper carbon]

No it's not it's full of beans (derogatory)

[crisp trout]

you guys don’t see the boffin amne vision

[dapper carbon]

I see the vision and think it's so incredibly far off from what the script is trying to do

Boffin amne goes on waltz not CC

[drifting quail]

just put wizard in 😭

y’all don’t see the wizard vision

[crisp trout]

TRUE (false)

[sudden tendon]

v3 (steward, shugenja, fisherman) was horrifically evilsided

like "2 different games where the demon outed to a good player who outed them publicly, then won"

v4/v5 (steward, shugenja, mathematician) was more balanced in the sense that good won games with sober shugenjas and lost games with droisoned ones

[fossil tiger]

literally how did any of this occur 😭😭

[sudden tendon]

one was a poli playing for good (demon got the grim from the widow and outed before checking) and the other was a pd bluffing poli

both games had scarlets but in the second the demon wasn't executed, they just tied the vote in f3

[fossil tiger]

I can't wait for

[sudden tendon]

I'm trying to work out the funniest new CC demon

[fossil tiger]

"Clockwork Cyborg update: ->

it's Vatimortis no?

[sudden tendon]

true

[fossil tiger]

return to roots

[sudden tendon]

actually I know what to do

Clockwork Cyborg 5.3 (real)

Per Hystrex's demand I have replaced the demon with the nerfed Kazali (Vigormortis)

Scarlet Woman was replaced with Boffin because scarlet is a bad vigorkill and also I took off Oracle because there's literally no wincon ever for a vigor team with an oracle in play, it's completely mechanically impossible and you're the worst scriptwriter ever if you put them together, that's why oracle was removed from snv in playtesting. I replaced it with Atheist

-# april fools

Godfather is bootlegged to allow +2 outsiders sometimes

[fluid tulip]

active baron

[crisp trout]

what have I started

[noble folio]

Not balanced enough, needs Heretic

[sly shell]

True

Kazali picks Widow/GF, forces game to rerack cause 2 hatejinxes with Heretic

Oh wait nvm, it's Vigor, I didn't even realize.

[dapper carbon]

Storyteller picks Widow/GF, forces game to rerack cause 2 hatejinxes with Heretic

[fading creek]

Vati, godfather isn’t that good here

It feels weak for Kazali

Beguiler would be much better

Or maybe Demagogue

But that might fall short

[sudden tendon]

I was getting "oh my god I have talked enough about this forever in the last week" before realising it was bait

[pine void]

is this how non clocktower players feel when i open my mouth

[fading creek]

How many people can I get with insulting a minion choice and suggesting beguiler or demagogue?

[dapper carbon]

Demagogue sucks here are you kidding

[fading creek]

Oh yeah it works poorly with Kazali, my bad

[long glen]

What are beguiler and demagogue?

[fossil tiger]

#1280673118373023805 message

[cunning depot]

that doesn't really explain what they are

[tired heron]

||the point is no one knows what they are||

||they were just made up by the AI||

[vapid flower]

Now we know

These are perfect on CC!

[noble folio]

Demagogue is clearly the strongest of the loud minions

Vizier in shambles

[dapper carbon]

Nah the AI has no idea what it's talking about

We need to piece together what the abilities are based on the jokes people have made

We know that demagogue sucks with death mod

And Beguiler does something similar to assassin

There's a couple other details I think

[tired heron]

i have personally just been assuming demagogue is wizard

[crisp trout]

beguiler here is just better FM

[fluid tulip]

So yes, Demagogue is slightly loud, weaker than assassin, and isn't silent (Sources, me and axo)

[fading creek]

Demagogue also doesn’t work with death mod (sources, me and Hystrex)

[fluid tulip]

but also a good fit on China Shop

[sudden tendon]

-# if we want to do this joke can we do it somewhere else btw

[fluid tulip]

ye

[fast maple]

It has to for it to work on CS

[fluid tulip]

could we discuss this in either homebrew characters

or somewhere that isn't the CC thread

vati has asked

[fast maple]

secret thing it is

[noble folio]

you mean #speculation-and-spoilers?

[fluid tulip]

is that a joke bra1n?

Demagogue and Beguiler are two Minion names that ChatGPT generated.

Now, those definitely could be names that the real game have, and I can definitely see the confusion

But we aren't discussing anything speculative. It's a joke.

[noble folio]

there's an ongoing thing that #speculation-and-spoilers is being used for a lot of homebrew discussion, so yes, it was a joke 😉

[fluid tulip]

that's fair. difficult to tell!

[noble folio]

yeah, sorry

I'll promise to be more serious in here

[fluid tulip]

when a TPI developer goes to you and asks to discuss stuff in a specific place

It's best to just explain yourself

anyway

Cool script vati!

[fast maple]

glad it doesn't have boffin on it 😍

crisis averted

[crisp trout]

hate fills your heart

you have no mirth

[fossil tiger]

nah she loves fun and whimsy unlike you

[crisp trout]

didnt you say vizier

[fossil tiger]

I never said I love fun and whimsy

[crisp trout]

true

[dapper carbon]

Axo hates fun & whimsy more than anyone else (but she still has good takes)

[fast maple]

Why do you hate me

[twin galleon]

Because you hate fun and whimsy?

[fast maple]

but I don't?

[dapper carbon]

<3

[fast maple]

less than three?

...less than three what

[dapper carbon]

2

1

[twin galleon]

even 0

[scenic thorn]

7

[drifting quail]

7

[crisp trout]

7

[graceful seal]

7

[fossil tiger]

7

[twin galleon]

7

[dapper carbon]

7

[dense sluice]

7

[rose whale]

7

[noble folio]

7

[sly shell]

7

[fast maple]

i hope you know that saying 7 has made you contractually obliged to play livetext

[graceful seal]

I’ve already played livetext

[long glen]

7

[fast maple]

what about second livetext?

[supple patio]

phew i'm glad i didn't absentmindedly join in on this trend

[sudden tendon]

bra1n livetext real

[tired heron]

we can do it when patters plays livetext too

[graceful seal]

Nope

[tired heron]

nerdguy's second livetext will be GoS in october 😉

[graceful seal]

I dropped out of that

[tired heron]

you're still on the thing

[graceful seal]

send me the link hold on

[vapid flower]

You have to write a 10 000 word essay to drop out of Garden of Sin livetext smh

[timid flume]

Livetext evil win (we executed the general)

Demon bluffed widow ping but got moonchild picked and checked by FT n1 (we thought it was RH because of general saying evil was winning), they self killed after MC picked and passed to scarlet woman who bluffed ceremadness framing their dead demon as cere. It was a crazy play lol

Someday good will win

[sudden tendon]

Good wins pretty often now

Also moonchild pick someone other than the demon challenge

[hollow ravine]

Also, vati, i just saw this, but i really don't hate slayer here. not sure what to swap out

or is that too enforcing of choosing safety nets?

[dapper carbon]

Vati lacks the whimsy required to appreciate slayer in non SW bags

[hollow ravine]

But it’s such a fun info role (like klutz)

[hollow ravine]

I thought axo was the one lacking whimsy

Do we have multiple boring Berthas in our midst?

[dapper carbon]

Axo just hates fun now

She's fine in terms of whimsy

But yeah there's a bunch of regulars here who hate whimsy

[fossil tiger]

do I hate fun and/or whimsy?

[fluid tulip]

you hate high priestess

which some may argue to be a whimsical character

[dapper carbon]

Yeah both, moreso fun tho

[fluid tulip]

what's my fun/whimsy rating

[fast maple]

You hate both

[dapper carbon]

CS isn't whimsical 😔

[fast maple]

it is fun though

[dapper carbon]

This is true

[dense sluice]

The Fun/Whimsy Rating™️ from @fast maple is very important. I learned that the hardway when i said Matron was no longer a suggested traveller 😔

[fluid tulip]

Yaggababble is highly whimsical

[dapper carbon]

I lobe clocwork cybor

[fluid tulip]

i need to play this mythical script

It's subtle socials

[pine void]

look i have absolutely no idea what whimsy is but it cannot be yaggababble

[floral moon]

i think CC is my favorite full script tbh

[fluid tulip]

It does look like a very "base" script

[fast maple]

as a concept, yeah, and maybe when playing it, but in terms of scriptbuilding not really

[fluid tulip]

Ok maybe that's a lie, it does have 6 outsiders on it

I think the script's concept has changed a bit though

[dapper carbon]

This script is so cool I wish kazali was fun 🤩

[fluid tulip]

Like, when it was made, it was like 'Oh Kazali is so weak you need to put more outsiders in than usual to give it a chance, it's just a base demon'

And then... vati slowly realised 'wait no it isn't'

[floral moon]

i dont see a world where kazali is weak :3

[fluid tulip]

pff

[dapper carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[fluid tulip]

but you can at least stare at that dreamer token for a minute before it gets taken away from you

all those games you were going to solve

gone

reduced to ashes

You're a Godfather now

Deal with it

[dapper carbon]

You see how this makes it worse right

[fluid tulip]

Nah I'm just kidding

[floral moon]

this is fake no one ever picks godfather

[fluid tulip]

No one ever goes Godfather on this script

[dapper carbon]

But they do tho (rarely)

[fluid tulip]

yeah

But at least you have someone to blame for it

[dapper carbon]

You see how this makes it worse right

[fluid tulip]

I think I enjoy being evil, so not really

Unless it's about your expectations being shattered

[floral moon]

i only play botc to take credit for winning and blame my teammates for losing, and kazali makes that easier

[fluid tulip]

dam

I mean letting evil be determined by random chance is a much better way for a group to stop being cliquey

[floral moon]

yeah it fixes the social meta problem most people have with kazali

[fluid tulip]

And I guess the pressure of 'Hey I was chosen, I can't screw up' is larger

[floral moon]

incidentally, summoner is my favorite character and though its similar in theory, in practice its very different and doesnt have the problems that kazali does

[floral moon]

oh i just go "they chose me, its their fault if this doesnt work out"

[fluid tulip]

whys that

[floral moon]

because you dont go "oh i pick this person" you go "oh i pick the confirmed golem or the person with good info and socials" etc

[floral moon]

if you're asking why its my favorite character, spawning a vortox or no dashii mid game is really funny+its cool+you get to do whatever after summoning

[timid flume]

I think kazali would be better if it started with no teammates and instead of killing picked them slowly over the game!

[floral moon]

i think kazali would be funnier if you could get barista doubled N1 and pick two sets of teammates

[floral moon]

i think having it be "you pick what minions are in play" is fairly interesting too, and maybe also fixes the swingy nature of kaz games

tho less fun for me :3

[timid flume]

Idk I think it’s fine without that

Just turn folks evil

It doesn’t need to kill either

[floral moon]

that sounds like fake-summoner

[timid flume]

No it’s not and I came up with it all on my one it’s definitely not basically the same as an unreleased character

[floral moon]

yeah i can see why its unreleased

[timid flume]

No it’s AMAZING and definitely not like an awful character that would drag the game on for a really long time and ruin everyone’s fun

[fossil tiger]

okay but that loses the risk of playing Kazali Game, making you my minion, everyone knowing this and still winning :3

[floral moon]

everytime you advertise this your winrate drops slightly :3

(still picking you next time tho)

[fossil tiger]

historically hasn’t :3

[noble folio]

What's all this Kazali slander doing in my Kazali-appreciation-channel?

[dense sluice]

Can you confirm that the Kazali only script you mentioned on the QnA was CC or a different one? 👀

[noble folio]

#speculation-and-spoilers message

[dense sluice]

And now immortalised within the CC thread 🙂‍↕️

[noble folio]

you say it like that's a bad thing

[long glen]

Kazali (demon): Each night*: choose a player, they die. Your friends and experienced players are your minions, who learn one bluff each [+1 outsider].
(/lh)

I love the script, I just don't love Kazali :p

[hollow ravine]

Kazali (demon): Each night*: choose a player, they die. Any outed evil minions will be meta'd backwards towards identifying you as the Kazali [+2 Townsiders]

[fast maple]

Kazali (Demon): Each night*, choose a player: they die. If you're a real dickhead, you'll make that same player the Scarlet Woman for the 4th time in a row. [+the Moonchild, who picks you]

[hollow ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-bell-gif-27646997

[viral pumice]

I think in the games I've played with this script, I've seen godfather picked more than witch

Slayer over alsaahir would be a good sub imo

[noble folio]

but Alsaahir is great on solo Kazali scripts

[fluid tulip]

alsaahir is there to solve the problem of 'picking into meta players'

This can also be solved by... not playing kazali scripts

alsaahir does shine here though bc of that

[sudden tendon]

Also super funny with Damsel

[viral pumice]

True

Yeah, fair enough, al over slayer

[fast maple]

recluse is a townsfolk (when there are two mathematicians)

[sudden tendon]

pd scarlet?

[fast maple]

yeah PD scarlet

Was debating GF since it would lose an execution but would also hardconfirm the ceremad (at the time) PD

which confirms the existence of a cere and I wanted to keep the option to frame the amne who was mad d1 open

(demon was bluffing seamstress yes between oracle and amne and this group doesn't selfmadden as evil)

PD died n2 btw after the Poli got exed d1

so PD godfather was very very tempting

[sudden tendon]

anyway see math is good on here :^)

wait what would a math even do on this grim

aside from oracle recluse

which is enough really

[fast maple]

and amne recluse

i had a plan

and it worked

(the plan was townsfolk recluse hold your horses)

[dapper carbon]

Not convinced 😭

[sudden tendon]

issue of skill

[dapper carbon]

:sotrue:

[noble folio]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[dapper carbon]

Wait I did a rotate and uhhh if the plague doctor was just executed and town knows it's cerenovus and the pd is mad as a tf and the pd causes a gf kill takes breath doesn't that mean the pd is just fully stuck in madness hell

Actually this prob works better in 2 minion

Some other outsider is exed then made made as Townsfolk and town knows it's cere gf

This is an edge case so maybe not a problem

[fluid tulip]

Huh that would come up...

If anyone ever chose GF

In all seriousness yea that would be unfortunate

[long glen]

Just gain a different ability

Or just be a nice ST

[fast maple]

it's like the virgin being mad or being a ceremad traveler, there's only so much you can do

[fast maple]

because nobody is picking cere gf at 2 minion

[sudden tendon]

it's happened!

[crisp trout]

me when i lie

[sudden tendon]

me when I tell the truth

[supple patio]

Pinocchio’s nose is wildly fluctuating, you two gotta make up your minds

[crisp trout]

shock and awe

[noble folio]

That game was probably Fiddled 5 minutes in because the GF player rage quit when they learned their role

[sudden tendon]

dire watched me draw the kazali token in 15p longtext cc and didn't immediately rerack

[crisp trout]

did you win

[floral moon]

clean sweep

[sudden tendon]

this is the image I intended to post

so

yes

[floral moon]

LOL

[crisp trout]

ZAMN

[tired heron]

it was great

[floral moon]

town executed sober townsfolk till there weren't any left

[crisp trout]

oh yeah is 5p alive with 4 evil and a scarlet unwinnable for good

[floral moon]

(also the recluse sent a demon whisper, and the pixie was ceremad as the role they saw)

[sudden tendon]

yes

[crisp trout]

mhm

[sudden tendon]

I wrote 4 days of fake savant info and a 1,745 word analysis of it that required three nitro-length messages

also the scarlet was in a seam no immediately

[crisp trout]

who was the ST

[sudden tendon]

dire

[floral moon]

me

kazali picked savant/oracle/moonchild

three strong townsfolk :3

[crisp trout]

don’t know you enough to meta your savant info 😔

[sudden tendon]

it was incredibly vatisavant I was shocked no one called that out

[crisp trout]

yeah was about to say

[sudden tendon]

or called out 4 livetexters being alive all game

[floral moon]

i make my savant info immediately after being consulted, so uh, yeah

[tired heron]

you picked the people who would've called you out on it

[sudden tendon]

EXACTLY

3 people on that grim knew my savant info

all 3 minions

[crisp trout]

played a game TODAY STed by @graceful seal where the demon bluffing philo-savant was executed because their info sounded nothing like the info the real savant (me) was getting

the real info was much cooler ngl

probably the best savant info i’ve ever got

[graceful seal]

it's in #sects-and-violets

[crisp trout]

mhm

[sick sedge]

what the hell lmao

what was the info

[floral moon]

d1:

1. The Librarian saw an Outsider with an on-death ability (Plague Doctor, Moonchild)
2. All of Dreamer, Fortune Teller, and Alsaahir are in play
   d2:
3. An evil player is sitting between two players with outsider-related abilities (outsiders, Librarian, Godfather)
4. At least one droisoned player wakes to their own ability each night
   d3:
5. Flagstuff is a minion
6. Flagstuff is the sober Town Crier
   d4:
7. There is a Widow in play
8. There is a Dreamer in play

t/t, f/f, f/f, t/t

[sudden tendon]

d1 could also be f/t depending how you define "saw an outsider" but yeah

[sick sedge]

how do you write a 1750 word analysis of this 😭

[sudden tendon]

it was designed to carve the game up into like 15 distinct worlds and I wrote out all of them

[floral moon]

enough sauce to hide the fish :3

but yeah he covered a bunch of worlds that were not the real ones

[sudden tendon]

no I would sincerely have done that as good

I forgot I was evil while doing it

[floral moon]

i trust that

i think the time to analyze that longtext brings suits you a lot

[sick sedge]

that’s what fish deserves, awful genre of food

[floral moon]

good fish is good and bad fish is cheap

[sudden tendon]

can't wait for the vati sterling quilava game (none of the other players will post)

[floral moon]

but bread no diffs either way i think

[sick sedge]

good fish is an oxymoron

[floral moon]

swedish fish

WHAT

its so yum and sweet and cheap and carryable

[dapper carbon]

Not liking swedish fish without having some dietary restriction for them is a crime we should execute you

[floral moon]

i always knew biscuits was evil

[sudden tendon]

execute biscuits somewhere else I'm trying to decompress from the most insane demon game of my life

[dapper carbon]

No it's not madness there's no barista

[sudden tendon]

love how this changed from fire to sob in 2 seconds

[dapper carbon]

(the barista is ceremad)

[dapper carbon]

Forgot which channel this was lol mb

[floral moon]

mm the subtle pushes on the amne and dreamer were well done

[floral moon]

why does this botc server not have a channel dedicated to swedish fish :(

[timid flume]

They should get on that

[sick sedge]

#speculation-and-spoilers

[sudden tendon]

yeah that works

[sudden tendon]

I think my suspicion that I can only play longtext like once every two months for mental stability purposes is correct, however it is still based

[sick sedge]

oof feel that

[floral moon]

-remindme 60days

[lime cape]

Remindme <Time:Duration> <Message:Text>

[-channel channel:Channel]

Invalid arguments provided: Not enough arguments passed

[graceful seal]

My savant info is always describable as “insane”

and “what kind of madman are you”

“My head hurts”