✦ Homebrews By Luis ✦ (Nerdy Meet-cute)

[dull cove]

Add like. Styx

(Don't add styx)

[clever robin]

you don't put these types of characters outside of their environment

[spring niche]

Nimrod is definitely harder to script with

[distant zenith]

As for this one, I feel like the majority of scripts with sham would just be scripts where good tries to solve what type of demon it is and sham would try to hide itself making another world seem more possible. Albeit I think this can go well with scripts with multiple deaths, While it can only kill one, Good can easily test if Sham is in play or not from day 2 onwards. If multiple deaths occur it would be hard to exactly pin point where the votes are negated.

I do have a question, Does sham require to kill its target for their neighbours to lose their votes for the day? The wording implies the death isn't required and they will lose votes regardless.

[sharp topaz]

i disagree, sham is a loud demon

does not work well with demon puzzles

[distant zenith]

It is revaled if someone is on block and the storyteller says something on the line of "No one was executed" I get that.

[sharp topaz]

modifying voting is testable, and unless you have a lot of other vote modifying characters then itll be outed

[distant zenith]

I still think it would go way better in scripti with modifying votes but that can really go messy

[sharp topaz]

modifying votes a ton i never found to be fun

and its a lot of work for the ST i feel

[distant zenith]

But also It as simple loud demon fells kinda off? Like yeah you and another guy (unless they're soldier or Monk Protected) can vote but it doesn't matter

In retrospective it is whole 2 less people need to convince

[sharp topaz]

It's definitely not my favorite design for a demon

[distant zenith]

There's not a lot of synergy with that one

[sharp topaz]

I think itd be fine as a solo demon or sumn

[glacial edge]

like on a death heavy script?

[sharp topaz]

Yeah

If this is on a script, I feel like the minions should be the puzzle, not the demon type

Like yeah you can test for it, but itll require a lot of coordination

Plus if you add 1 or 2 more vote count modifying roles to obscure it

it would be interesting

[distant zenith]

Testing things has been one of easiest thing to convince town of From my personal experience outside of Leviathan games when it comes to votes/nominations/executions so coordination wouldn't be much of problem

But yeah

I think it would work well in death heavy script

Like I think it really benefits from it

[sharp topaz]

I think it could work with other demons that have fairly loud effects that arent immediately obvious

The demon type shouldnt really be the main puzzle though

I think this demon Luis has could work well with it maybe

Eh actually, this confirms the good player I feel

Unless you have a 3rd quiet demon

Cause if you find out its not Sham (pretty easy), its this, meaning the good player saying they know the ability is legit

[distant zenith]

It wouldn't be pretty easy if multiple people kept dying over and over I think

Wasn't the point of death heavy scripts to obscure where the votes are negated?

[sharp topaz]

True

[polar bluff]

fuuuck I was going to guess that the hint was for Regent

but I didn't

because I read it and was like "wow, Falling Star it's like the Regent's starter card from StS2"

[jagged frost]

i mean yeah ofc it’s for death puzzles

i don’t see how “this character made for an environment doesn’t work in an environment it wasn’t made for” is a valid argument. like no one’s putting tea lady in scripts with no other exe protection 😭

[jagged frost]

the truth is that sham isn’t loud if you have other reasons for exe failing

Legion is an example, Chariot too

even Cerenovus if you’re stretching it

[sharp topaz]

Well wouldnt exe survival be seen as different from an exe failing?

cause exe survival is "executed and does not die"

but in this case they wouldnt even be executed

[red solar]

Sham isn't exe survival

[sharp topaz]

Yes that is my point

[red solar]

it's also Luis', I don't think there's a disagreement here?

[sharp topaz]

They said Chariot is an example of an exe failing

isnt chariot exe survival

[red solar]

nah

it's if Player A gets executed, Player B gets executed instead

[sharp topaz]

oh nvm i confused it with centurion

whoops

[red solar]

although I don't think Chariot is really confoundable with exe failure

since the Chariot needs to get their other chosen player nommed with significant votes too

i think there's just not a lot of characters in this space even in the homebrew realm

[sharp topaz]

Yeah I dont think any of Luis'' characters hide Sham very well

I think its better if you allow players to realize when it is in play

And not try to hide it

But I do think its good with death mod

[red solar]

i think both can be valid, the problem is hiding it requires another handful of homebrew characters in this very untouched area of design space

the deathmod to obscure where the nullified votes are also can work ofc

[sharp topaz]

I think the reason its untouched is bc its unfun in large quantities

Or at least hard to make fun

[red solar]

i mean it certainly feels unfun when i think abt it but i havent really delved enough into it to say that with confidence

[sharp topaz]

Modifying votes is very swingy

travellers do it bc people can choose to exile it if it gets too swingy

its kind of like, either it does everything or it does nothing yk

This demon is okay imo because it consistently modifies the same number of votes each day

[red solar]

i mean again it's something where I think a script centered around it can theoretically work if enough care and precision was put into it, but there hasn't been much work done it that area

it's definitely easy to make it Not Work

but we're also just very accustomed to certain types of characters, and not very accustomed with others

[sharp topaz]

very difficult but it would be exciting to see it done well

[red badge]

Sham is definitely a character I haven't worked with much, but I am of the opinion that script writers would be better off leaning into it being loud sometimes, rather than bending over backwards to hide it, or always tying it with Legion

-2 good votes is a fair amount of power

I think both teams still have significant game to play even after Demon type gets outed. Trouble Brewing always has outed Demon type

[distant zenith]

It wasn't really an argument or something, more like a remark, even if it was obvious one.

[distant zenith]

Depends on who you target, It can be -1 evil vote.

Or theoretically even two

[red badge]

(This is for Sham specifically, tbc. A lot of Demons, like Yagga or Vortox, lose a lot of strength if Demon type gets outed, and they're intended for scripts where you're either never 100% sure the Demon type, or if you are, it's very late game

[distant zenith]

But yes I do agree to this

[red badge]

oh 100%, and not all good voters are of equal importance to silence

[distant zenith]

I think I like it being on death heavy scripts even more ngl, because if evil has for example an assassin,they can get rid of someone without sham worrying about making evil or good players that believe them, from losing votes

Apart from obvious confusion where did sham reduced votes

[sharp topaz]

It doesnt even work with legion I dont think

Because legion says the ST would declare a vote tally is Zero if only legion vote

This wouldnt say that I dont think

[distant zenith]

Can run with some optional rule

To make it work

[sharp topaz]

I guess

[errant nymph]

Most STs run it with the option rule, and it'd be basically mandatory with this on script

[jagged frost]

tbf there are quite a few out there that mess with exe failing

[blazing tinsel]

whenever this procs, it could've always been the chariot, vice versa won't neccecsrily be true

[jagged frost]

it’s like harpy or witch confounding yag day deaths

or godfather in any case for that matter

[kindred flint]

How does Boggart work in person?

Oh right eyes are closed, players wake to draw 1 at a time, then the token is put onto the grimoire

[quick fern]

can the nimrod "revive" a "dead" zombuul

[red badge]

The Zombuul is registering as dead, so I would say yes, but nothing changes mechanically? Idk tho

[dull cove]

As far as I can tell, yeah

The ability doesn't even specify dead players

It's just "evil players may choose to rise"

[winged saddle]

Importantly, I think the Zombuul would still be on their “2nd” life, since the ability says “The 1st time you die, you live…” and they haven’t actually regained their ability cause they weren’t actually dead.

[red solar]

i imagine a Zombuul usually wouldn't want to rise, then

[blazing tinsel]

I don't believe it can raw, but imagine people will run that it can rai

[sharp topaz]

@jagged frost Do you have the json for nimrod? I was hoping to script something with it

[jagged frost]

not yet but i can make it tonight

[jagged frost]

no insider trading btw @dull cove

so gl lol

[dull cove]

o7

[jagged frost]

this week is a fun one i will say tho

[glacial edge]

where my loric lovers at

[vestal burrow]

The abyss

[cinder hemlock]

Psst

Tir

Can i get some insider info

🕵️‍♀️

[spring niche]

No inside info? Clearly this is a clue.
What do you call someone who is no insider: outsider.
No insider info = outsider info
We’re getting an outsider that learns info

[jagged frost]

tbf that wasn’t even a hint, i was just saying to her that she can’t vote with a bias

but now that you say that it does kinda work for one of the characters lmao

[clever robin]

here’s the insider info you want

you should vote for the loric. I, however, definitely will not

[sharp topaz]

Sorry I was busy yesterday 😭 that would be nice

[spring niche]

Sorry it was a joke 😭

[jagged frost]

hey chat i actually value my sanity and i need to finish up a uni assignment

so i'll give you your loric tomorrow

[unkempt oriole]

good luck

[jagged frost]

ty ty

[glacial edge]

omg my loric lovers showed up

[kindred flint]

luis is dead

[sharp topaz]

Rip

[plush imp]

[cinder hemlock]

Luis got eaten by Shabaloth

Let's give him a moment of silence

[clever robin]

he abandoned us to run away to the tomb

[cinder hemlock]

Sorry Luis, but THE Tomb is in another castle

[jagged frost]

yeah so

lol

what happened was i got hounded by coursework

and i also had a project for my uni soc too

i’ll begin rolling out week 3’s batch tonight

week 4’s batch on thursday

[spice prairie]

tombler

[jagged frost]

and week 5’s batch on sunday

[true shell]

oh boy, three batches!

[chilly linden]

Suing you for copyright on “batch”

[true shell]

oh boy, three b██ches!

[cinder hemlock]

Woah panfex

Why would you censor patches

[glacial edge]

my dumbass thought this was a discord spoiler

[jagged frost]

me when i’m a crab:

[jagged frost]

lol i fucking lied something way way way better came up

[steel hinge]

its his mothers wedding

WEDDING TO ME

[jagged frost]

absor wdym by that 🤨🤨

[cinder hemlock]

Luis I'm sorry

The Tomb... Some guy from Laura, the State of Croft came by and raided it

[flint crest]

the tomb is a myth

[steel hinge]

he klutz picked the no dashii

[cinder hemlock]

Spicy

👅

[jagged frost]

okay the tongues a bit weird icl

[elfin anchor]

💝

[jagged frost]

✦ Homebrews By Luis ✦ (Nerdy Meet-cute)

[surreal hill]

did you make it that night

[cinder hemlock]

I think he's gonna make it... Someday

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[surreal hill]

Ok what about just the character icon

I can work with that and make my own json

It won't match exactly but it'll be usable

[cinder hemlock]

Here

I got this information straight from Dr Tomb

[surreal hill]

Woah ! awesome !

[jagged frost]

i’m p sure that i uploaded the icon to github so

[surreal hill]

Where is that

[cinder hemlock]

On github

[glacial edge]

yeah its just github.com

[surreal hill]

Thanks a lot guys

[unkempt oriole]

If Klutzbanana began working again on my phone I could share...

[sullen gazelle]

why doesnt it work?

and why do i have to find out about it in here :<

[sharp topaz]

can confirm, no 😭

its alr though, I just decided to use something else bc of it

[surreal hill]

No but like I need it too lol

[unkempt oriole]

Wasn't sure if it was my WiFi.
But it's mostly just doesn't load the edit for the characters.
#community-tools message

[sharp topaz]

It works for me fine 🤷‍♂️

[jagged frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420045033914105948/1508477980916318322/goodminionlocket.gif

[jagged frost]

{
        "id": "nimrod_hblreleased",
        "team": "outsider",
        "name": "Nimrod",
        "ability": "If you did not nominate a Minion today, evil players may choose to rise tonight (Demons may not if 1 lives)..",
        "image": [
            "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/notNothingMuch/HBL/refs/heads/main/Rendered%20Icons/outsider/Icon_Nimrod_good.png?raw=true",
            "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/notNothingMuch/HBL/refs/heads/main/Rendered%20Icons/outsider/Icon_Nimrod_evil.png?raw=true"
        ],
        "flavor": "What do you mean Mr Morozov is back??? Haven’t you ever heard that if you don’t see them, they can’t see you? Or… maybe we do need something better than a timeout chair.",
        "reminders": [
            "Nominee",
            "Alive",
            "Alive",
            "Alive"
        ],
        "firstNightReminder": "",
        "otherNightReminder": "If the Nimrod did not nominate a Minion today, wake evil players & show the *THIS CHARACTER SELECTED YOU* & Nimrod tokens. Allow them to choose if they rise or not. :reminder:",
        "firstNight": 0,
        "otherNight": 12.99,
        "jinxes": []
    }

At long last, here is a json for nimrod cellscape

If you need any jinxes to be made please do let me know

[sharp topaz]

Yippee! Thank you !!

[modern ferry]

Gave +1 Thanks to @jagged frost (current: #430 - 157)

[sharp topaz]

I think the issue was that you weren't signed in

But that bug is fixed now

[jagged frost]

nw!!

[sharp topaz]

@surreal hill it is here

[surreal hill]

YIPPEE ty :)

[jagged frost]

btw all of my json data as of HBL 1.14 follow this format

[sharp topaz]

I just remembered this minion, and I was wondering if theres any way it could be run online

That isnt super annoying

[jagged frost]

The answer is Gardener

[sharp topaz]

I hate that gardener is a Loric now

Ive never seen it used for anything that isnt just making something impossible work

[jagged frost]

So you draw the characters first, and go to the player that the Boggart landed on, and tell who the clockwise players' characters and the rest of the anti-clocktower characters in any order

[sharp topaz]

But the rest of the players after the boggart would know if they are changed

In that way

[jagged frost]

nope bc you don't actually send out the characters yet

[sharp topaz]

Hm alright

[quaint sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/kranky-kong-tnt-donkey-kong-country-donkey-kong-radio-gif-17402404715666525660

[jagged frost]

dw about it lmao

[cinder hemlock]

Guys

What if

This Luis is actually a doppelganger

And the real Luis is somewhere in the basement

[surreal hill]

There's a double period in the ability text btw

[jagged frost]

oh nice ty