Miss Register

[tame hazel]

My first custom script, centered around Spy/Recluse misregistration (and specifically, how that interacts with Math/Juggler/Empath/FT). Looking for thoughts from experienced scriptbuilders to see what I can improve!

**LATEST VERSION: v0.6 **#1177633776378056784 message

v0.1 thoughts:

• A quiet minion line is essential to keep Goblin/Marionette paranoia up (especially in smaller games), but I worry I've made them too weak in the process, especially with the TB big three + Juggler, Magician, and Philo on script. Would adding Poisoner (maybe over Mez) be too much on a script where all the Demons inflict poison already?

• I'm not too happy with the Outsider lineup: PM didn't feel right (hence Drunk), and I originally had Acrobat over Lunatic (though a 2 death night hard confirmed it, hence the swap).

• Undertaker/Marionette is a bit of an ehh interaction, but I like both enough to where I don't want to drop either of them. Dropping Mario entirely and adding a 4th Demon comes to mind, but I'm not sure what that would be (none of these minions play very well with Vigor, for instance). Swapping UT for Cannibal feels bad (and misses out on the fun of the Spy/Recluse/UT interaction).

• Bonus one I forgot! A kill sunk = pukka game 90% of the time. Monk felt too strong and Goon felt like too much droison, would love to know people’s thoughts

[queen bridge]

Does seeing the recluse as the demon actually count as a math number?

that would be both abilities working correctly i think?

Poisoner + pukka means that theres a chance someone gets double poisoning, wasting the posioner (reducing its power level). having poisoner as an option helps disguise no dashi. If youre not too hapy about outsiders, get rid of baron imo (since youre just adding in more of something you dont like as much

adding a gossip or something similar could make acrobat ambiguous

[crisp blaze]

I think the demons are a little odd here? I know Lleech has a whole host of issues but I actually think it works perfectly fine on this script, I have always been anti ND+Drunk, but the real issue is demon has no real way to sink a kill aside from Sailor, so it'll probably be pretty obvious it's a Pukka game the second it misses a kill

Mez and Politician can be a little much sometimes without SoI

But otherwise I actually really like the misregistration vibe and the townsfolk on this script in general, though Sailor might be a little tough, if the Sailor ever survives an execution they're confirmed good if they literally ever die which may or may not be an issue dependent on how the town+evil treats them

[karmic sand]

I don't think Lleech requires the presence of a Sailor here, if that's a concern

[olive vigil]

This looks like a well-made script! I love the Lunatic support here, there's a lot of options for confounding them. I'm assuming you're using Sentinel and SoI here.

The only quibble I have is with Amnesiac, it kinda sticks out as the only role that needs to visit the ST, and it's more suited to high-info scripts like Catfishing imo.

I also think FT might be a bit strong here. The demon is completely immobile, so if they get caught early in FT ping there's little the evil team can do. Direct demon detection like FT and FG work best with demons that can move, just like TB and S&V.

I'm not sure Sailor works super well here? It kinda feels like to just here to give Lleech a bluff, but I don't think Lleech needs that.

Also I love the name lmao

[vernal kite]

Also quite like this script! A few notes:
-I am extremely not a fan of drunk + Marionette, and I agree that drunk + no Dashii is somewhat questionable. I also would replace sailor with something else, since the Lleech doesn't super need cover on this script

Monk would be a good sailor replacement

Should you get rid of drunk, I agree that fortune teller + Empath + undertaker is too strong of a trimuvirate for good, so I'd probably swap out FT for something else

[tame hazel]

Recluse misregistering to something like counts as a math ping

[tame hazel]

Pukka + Monk sucks as an interaction (Monk gets 2 chances to stop a kill), not a big fan. IK maybe but that seems like hell in a non-Spy game

[queen bridge]

ya pukka monk kinda sad. I like soldier instead of monk with pukka. Fool maybe a better sailor replacement

[vernal kite]

Is the official ruling that if monk protects a player on the night the pukka picks them, they won't die at all?

[queen bridge]

they were never poisoned

so logically thats how it would work

[vernal kite]

Theyre still the "previously chosen player" on the next night though

[queen bridge]

the "previously poisoned player" dies

[vernal kite]

Oh I missed that

Yeah that's dumb, it should have been "previously chosen". Ah well

[tame hazel]

No Fabled here (I’m not convinced a Mez turn AND a Poli flip happens often enough to warrant SoI).

I’m a little worried Good might not have enough to solve the Demon specifically without a FT? Maybe Exorcist over FT (also handily solves the pukka sink problem) but even that might be too strong

Noted about Amne and Sailor. I kinda like Sailor for giving Math more things to ping off of, but if it doesn’t work it doesn’t work.

[olive vigil]

You know I completely forgot Baron is on script 😅

[queen bridge]

I agree with not needing sol for a poli flip

I think with all the poison, the actual drunk, not sure you need a sailor (might confused the math even more)

what about savant

you can keep amne

and if you have savant, they need to visit every day too

[vernal kite]

Having a million poisoning sources is another reason I'm not a fan of sailor on this script

[tame hazel]

This script is already really good-sided so adding Savant feels too strong

maybe I’ll swap Amne for Fish

[queen bridge]

i mean instead of FT

[vernal kite]

I think fisherman works instead of Anne, especially with Philo + pixie on the script

Savant is not a good idea on a script with a recluse

[queen bridge]

why?

[tame hazel]

Recluse can misregister to the Savant

[vernal kite]

It depends on whether the ST will have the recluse misregister for the sake of savant info. Doing so is, to be frank and IMHO, not very fun for anyone involved

It's also confusing if your players haven't clarified the interaction with the ST ahead of time

[tame hazel]

Also, re: Drunk + ND, Baron without a Drunk makes it hard for evil to bluff Outsider roles consistently from my experience (since all of these Outsiders, minus Drunk, are pretty public). I’m aware it’s a bad interaction but not sure what to do with it (Mutant is self confirmable, Damsel/PD out when they die)

[vernal kite]

Mutant being self confirmable is fine? Especially with undertaker on the script

You could replace Baron with godfather to help the pukka out a little

[queen bridge]

remove baron, add sentinel and godfather

adds a lot more ambiguity for the outsider count and gives the godfather something to actually do (I hate playing as baron [I get to be evil finally and i have no real ability ;-;])

[tame hazel]

godfather kills are confirmed outsider deaths; I’d like to avoid sentinel

(also sentinel AND GF seems like a terrible terrible idea)

[queen bridge]

sentinal + GF isnt bad because you can get a cool range of outsider counts, but its your preference. Also adding in more sources of misinformation isnt horrible since the script is already good-sided

[silent flower]

Eh, IMO sentinel godfather makes outsider tracking near impossible and is pretty brutal for the good team. I don’t love sentinel in general unless the script is very good favored, but especially with godfather.

[tame hazel]

v0.1 --> v0.2 Changelog

Amnesiac --> Fisherman

As previously mentioned, it felt out of place amidst roles like Empath, UT, and Juggler: what would a good Amnesiac ability on this script even look like?

In its place is Fisherman, where the ST can decide what the good team needs in the moment instead of at setup (while also providing a very strong evil bluff and a devastating consequence if droisoned).

Fortune Teller --> Exorcist

While I liked having the Trouble Brewing "big 3" inforoles, several people pointed out FT felt too strong against an immobile demon.

There was also a problem pointed out that's endemic to every script with a Pukka on it: if the Pukka poisons someone who gets executed the following day, nobody dies that night, and it's immediately obvious that it's a Pukka game.

The way I thought of to try and solve both problems was with the Exorcist. It explains why a kill gets missed at night, and the interaction with Pukka is way better than it is for, say, Monk (who gets double the chance to save the Pukka's target) or Innkeeper (whose droison might further confuse the info on this script amidst the already-prevalent misinformation).

I wonder if this still might be too strong. Does the Good team even need a Demon-finder on this script? Only playtesting will tell.

Sailor --> Chef

This one's an odd one. I liked Sailor when theorycrafting for two reasons: (1) it gave the Lleech a reason to survive execution and (2) it provided more droison for the Math to track. However, with the Spy, Recluse, and the Demons' poison, Sailor became an Outsider on this script, which sucks.

In its place is the Chef, a character that interacts with Spy/Recluse quite nicely, as it shares a home script. Did someone say more misregistration?

Drunk --> Mutant

Running out of characters so:

Drunk + No Dashii bad.

Mutant + No Dashii better, since Mutant is still somewhat hidden.

Self-confirming Mutant OK since there's an Undertaker anyway.

[lost trout]

ooo me likey :3

[tame hazel]

@queen bridge @crisp blaze @olive vigil @vernal kite you commented last time, so I hope it's okay to ping: thoughts?

[craggy kindle]

I think is out of place here

It's doesn't effectively look like a pukka "miss" most of the time and it's also pretty strong here in general

[olive vigil]

I like that you've taken out FT, but Exorcist feels a bit off here with no other way of blocking kills. Maybe Monk would work better here, you don't need direct demon detection.
I'm worried about Chef + Empath + Shugenja, that is a lot of evil detection right out of the gate, but with Spy and Recluse I think it's okay

Although Monk is very strong against Pukka, but I still think it's better than Exorcist here

Maybe Innkeeper instead? Gives Mathematician more to chew on

[tame hazel]

I'm worried that it's too much droison in games without a Math + hell to deal with for a Pukka or Lleech

or an evil team without a spy

[olive vigil]

How about Farmer to replace Exorcist? Interesting interactions with Pukka and Spy

[craggy kindle]

works here?

[olive vigil]

And doubling up on roles that want to die gives more bluffing space for good team, just look at TB

[lost trout]

i like soldier here yeah

[olive vigil]

I like Pukka's interaction with Farmer better, Pukka needs all the W's it can get and it allows for some cool bluffs for evil team

[crisp blaze]

I think Pukka might not work here? I think the it's the biggest problem and the Exorcist solve is a little in inelegant, because I think the issue is you need decent death prevention so the Pukka whiff isn't obvious but stuff like Exorcist is more consistent than a Pukka miss

I also think Cannibal instead of UT for Mutant purposes is funi but it doesn't work as well with the script's misregistration vibe

I also agree that Shugenja in addition to Chef might be a little much

Do people like ND+Mario? I'm not really a fan but I'm not sure how popular of an opinion that is

But I do seriously love 90% of this script, it's really just one or two things that are kinda iffy but in its current state I genuinely think it's already playable

[crisp blaze]

The reason I'd prefer Solider over Farmer is bc of Pukka misses. I think the Farmer interaction can be neat if evil capitalizes, but Soldier gives the good team just enough to cover Pukka I think

[tame hazel]

Soldier I'm... not sure about. To take another custom as an example, Mabel's Silent Night Speedy Night also had a Soldier on it to mask Pukka deaths, and it ended up just not working out

especially with a Spy on script, does it actually end up masking Pukka deaths all that often? How much can a Soldier truly hide?

[vernal kite]

Honestly I wonder if you could just swap the pukka with a vigor

Vigor + recluse is fun

[tame hazel]

All of the minions kinda suck with vigor though

[olive vigil]

Vigor works best with powerful and loud minions, this ain't it

[tame hazel]

re: sunk pukka kill, I wonder if I can fit Goon onto this script

the only problem is literally nothing can flip it good (outside of philo or lunatic, but... come on, really?)

so even though goon is a much better explanation for a sunk kill in non-Pukka worlds, i'm not sure it works with the script design

[craggy kindle]

?

[tame hazel]

feels weak with that quiet a minion line

[craggy kindle]

Isn’t that where imp is strongest?

Stronger than pukka for sure, mobility is incredibly strong

[tame hazel]

I mean, I’m not sure the minions provide enough misinformation by themselves with an Imp as the demon

ND, Lleech, and Pukka all provide sources of poison, Imp doesn’t and I don’t think an evil team with an Imp lasts long against a soberhealthy town

that being said might be interesting because of that

[olive vigil]

I don’t think Pukka needs to be replaced here, it works and I like the theme of all poison demons.
Really, it just needs the good team to be tweaked a little bit and it’ll work great, Exorcist -> Farmer would do wonders I think

[tame hazel]

I do want to try and playtest this version with Exorcist to see if it really needs a change

If it's bad then maybe Exorcist --> Soldier?

[craggy kindle]

I think you do have a lot of information though

Even with misreg, , !!, is a really strong powerhouse

as one of the sole BMR characters on any custom is going to be really overpowered

You need many reasons for 0 deaths for it to be balanced

[craggy kindle]

If pukka is on the script you need to have reasons for 0 death other than just pukka

and a sole exorcist isn't balanced and isn't gonna cut it

[craggy kindle]

I don't think pukka does enough in terms of poisoning, especially with the current makeup with the script to really survive super long tbh

Imp doesn't have misinfo sure, but you can just move the demon

[tame hazel]

Augh, just noticed Chef/Marionette. Ouch.

that's an interaction of all time

[sonic vine]

Chef / marionette is great

And the script also has recluse to mess with chef

And especially marionette

Some comments I have though

Fishermen is really out of place

Since it is the only role to visit the ST, it creates this weird interaction of not being able to hide among other roles

And I’ve never been a fan of scripts with only one character talking to the ST, it’s just not enjoyable to know the exact reason someone is talking to the ST

I think another each night or each night* role works better

I think librarian / drunk / spy is a great combination on a script specifically about misregistration

And drunk replacing politician is a fine fix and removes the potential of 5 evils

Exorcist is busted here, plain and simple

Especially with lleech

It has the easiest lleech host detection of all time and if it is the lleech host it’s absolutely fatal

[tame hazel]

thanks for your feedback!

• A chef 0 almost always deconfirms Marionette (the exception being which is... an interaction, I guess?), which I'm not the biggest fan of.

• I got that same comment about in the initial script, so swapped it for (mentioned why in the changelog, so won't redo it). I personally don't see a massive problem with the Fisherman being the only consulting role, like the interactions Fisherman has with the rest of the script, and feel like another each night(*) role (e.g. , ) might make town way too strong (considering the very quiet minions).

• I like the Drunk (and initially had it on script), but people pointed out as a bad interaction (since it can be untraceable for a good team compared to , which is still on the script), hence the swap to Mutant. I don't see + as enough of a problem to "fix" by removing either of them.

• Yeah, it's clear against a static demon without other explanations for 0 kills is way too strong (and outed + is a feels bad). I'll probably swap it for ?

[spark yarrow]

Gave +1 Thanks to @sonic vine

[sonic vine]

I don't agree with drunk / no dashii being 'bad'

people talking about making no dashii always traceable I feel misunderstand the point of the demon

the wrong info is supposed to help, not be a neon sign saying "this is the demon guys!!!"

I agree that drunk is probably not best with the characters present, I just think the drunk / spy / librarian interaction is the most classic 'misregistration' you can have

and not having either drunk with librarian / washerwoman on a script like that

feels a bit sad

[tame hazel]

v0.2 —> v0.3 Changelog

Chef —> Steward

Chef/Marionette is a weird interaction I really don’t like (a Chef 0 basically deconfirms a Marionette). Steward is a role that provides confirmation over an evil ping (though the Spy can still mess with it!)

Fisherman —> General

After some thought I’ve realized being the only role to consult the ST kind of sucks? I might change it back since I do like the pixie-fish interaction, but I’ll do that after playtesting.

In its place is General (to be run as 5-star). It’s a strong inforole that similarly allows the ST to tell Good if they’re on the right track.

Exorcist —> Soldier

Looking back, I was way too hasty in adding Exorcist. It’s way too strong and sucks with an outed Lleech.

In its place is Soldier, which isn’t as strong. It has a lot of things to bluff as to hide in non-Spy games, and the Pukka isn’t immediately outed if a kill is sunk (since it could be a the Demon hitting the Soldier).

[olive vigil]

This looks great! I love the General being here, that role doesn’t get enough love and you have solid reasoning for including it. Lemme know if you ever plan to run this, I’m super interested in playtesting!

[vernal kite]

Really really liking this script! (Although I'll miss fisherman.) The only other comment I have is that Knight might actually be a better fit here than Steward, given the presence of a mez and the demon being immobile

[tame hazel]

This script’s already good-sided, and while I like knight more it’s undeniably super strong. It felt like too much for the script

Maybe if playtesting reveals good team is hurting for info/demon hunting I’ll swap it out

[vernal kite]

Knight is super strong? I thought people agreed it was weak

Plus it can misregister on spy, is fun with Philo/pixie

[tame hazel]

On this script? Essentially having an FT "no" that'll always be true is great

and Knight wouldn't need to misreg with Spy since (fun fact) a Spy is already not a Demon

[sonic vine]

Slayer / knight do the same thing on this script, and slayer fits with the theme more

I will say, I actually don’t hate puzzlemaster in place of mutant

It’s a fantastic evil bluff, there actually isn’t a ton of droisoning on this script so having that helps evil

[tame hazel]

Having no hidden outsiders makes it almost impossible for evil to bluff Outsider

[sonic vine]

Politician?

Evil also loves bluffing puzzlemaster

An excuse for more wrong info?

[tame hazel]

You make a very good case

[sonic vine]

Puzzlemaster is strong because of how well evil can bluff it

You are basically hurting outsider count plus causing drunk/poisoning confusion

A spy / mez would love those roles bluffed

And on a script like this, assuming the politician will not come out, there is really no downside to bluffing outsider

[tame hazel]

I personally love the PM and it gives the Math more excuse to do things

[sonic vine]

Because a politician who doesn’t come out plus a puzzlemaster confirms a puzzlemaster

But if evil bluffs recluse, it’s harder to build politician worlds

Even with 3 outsider claims, hidden politician paranoia will be there

The bigger issue might honestly be philo on a script like this

Having both magician / politician can lead to massive swings of the philo goes into it, upsetting potential game balance

Especially if a mez is in play

[tame hazel]

it'd be real quick and easy to swap mutant for PM and philo for Knight, huh

my only problem with Knight was that the info is strong (and philo-knight was a little busted if it lived lategame)

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v0.3 --> v0.4 Changelog

Before I start: huge thanks to Seeker for suggesting both of these!

Mutant --> Puzzlemaster

I mentioned not liking the outsider line at the start, and Mutant felt like a bit of a band-aid over the interaction to help evil bluff Baron worlds. I personally dislike self-confirming Mutants, too, so I'm not too pressed about dropping it.

On the other hand, I absolutely love the Puzzlemaster. Since a Mutant will eventually explode at some point (making their hidden-ness eventually come out), a Puzzlemaster creates more drunkenness for the good team (more things for a Mathematician to track 👀) and is very bluffable by evil.

Philosopher --> Knight

It feels like Philo should always go Magician on this script as is. While it's a really nice evil bluff and I like having philodrunkenness to track, it didn't seem fun to play for anyone, really.

Knight is something I was going to add in place of Steward, but felt like it was too strong. Now that Philo's gone I feel much more comfortable adding it to this script. It's strong info and a good Pixie target!

[craggy kindle]

Why would philo always go magician?

I like knight here I’d say, but I don’t see why philo wouldn’t be fun, there’s tons of good picks

I think is actually weak here due to and your average deductive reasoning

[vernal kite]

Agreed that Philo is a good fit for this script

[sonic vine]

The bigger issue with philo IMO is philo / politician

[olive vigil]

What's the issue? It's hilarious and doesn't actually add another evil player

[craggy kindle]

It adds another players who are playing for evil though

And one of them can’t even win

[sonic vine]

The issue lies in mez / politician

Having a philo on the script with a mez and politician can lead to philo going politician in a game setup not made for it

And causing lots of problems (up to 6 players playing for evil)

I wouldn't say philo is bad otherwise, but there is a lack of extremely strong and 'fun' roles for a philo to go, so a greedy philo who wants to playchaotically will be heavily incentivized to go politician

also philo politician with spy isn't my favorite either?

[craggy kindle]

I do think the route to the solution for this is removing meds or polo tbh

*mez

But those concerns are pretty true

[sonic vine]

its weird, because otherwise I think philo can either be very interesting or very uninteresting

because there are a lack of 'I really want that' townsfolk N1

[chrome cobalt]

Axo this script looks awesome! Ping me if you run it in livetext, I'd love to join (not joining any more async with all amnes going on)

[shrewd heart]

Beep boop just gonna see what people have to say

Will say I agree with the consensus in #1195464826898620597 Off-Topic about ND

Which is that it's way to strong to coexist with Baron + PM but also I have no clue what to even swap it for 💀

I guess really just emphasis on ND/Baron in particular

That's minus 4 effective TF

Weirdly enough I sorta think you could do something with mastermind?

[lunar ermine]

Wondering what roles feel essential/expendable from Axo's perspective... One of Baron/ND should probably go, but I'm not sure which she likes better. Alternatively, I wonder if there's any way to justify this absolutely cursed interaction... Maybe some roles that are louder about when they're droisoned? Acrobat in place of Poli, is something that comes to mind, but I'm still thinking

[shrewd heart]

Like you could have a ND/Lleech framing pukka and then if they die later then it just looks like the pukka got unlucky

[lunar ermine]

MM is fun with Pukka. Similarly, having DA/Pacifist would be nice to help frame Lleech

[shrewd heart]

I think the TF are all fine

I actually kinda like that only Lleech can survive execution?

[shrewd heart]

Although, on second thought, it doesn't play well with Lleech at all

Because if Lleech dies everyone knows it

[crisp blaze]

Honestly worldbuilding with the possibility of a No Dashii is tough on this script, it's so fluid it can be plopped down almost anywhere, and with a couple evil players it can be really really hard to get any sort of bearing. I know I gripe a lot about ND+Mario, but I think No Dashii might just be really really strong here by itself? Especially paired with Puzzlemaster, it makes worldbuilding wildly fluid. I'd have to play more with this script to get more of a feel for it, but the issue is that I really love No Dashii here themeatically and I think PM+Mario+Baron play well with the other minions, there's not a solid replacement for ND, but ND is just strong 😅

[silver tinsel]

lleech and mm has a jinx doesnt it?

[shrewd heart]

Wait it does?

-jinx

[spark yarrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/904250103588597790/1191464619361972276/jinx_rules.png?ex=65a588e5&is=659313e5&hm=1bc9e9c5a0216aa207e7bfd590a217f1879ce28856d2be090d43a051d897efc8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=974&height=1170

[shrewd heart]

Oh, so it does

That's awesome

[crisp blaze]

Actually now that I think about it, ND+Baron is guaranteed to add PM on some player counts and likely to add it at others, so ND+Baron is most likely putting the town at -5 TF 🤢

[lunar ermine]

Thoughts: (Take all of these with a pound of salt! I'm still fairly new to clocktower, and extremely new to script building!)

• Swap for . There's been a good point about how is an outsider and the game shouldn't be easily solvable, but personally, the mini-game isn't fun with so many other droisoning sources on the script, and it feels more punishing than usual
• Swap out one of or . Two additional evils feels like too much to consider, and really glued up worldbuilding for good later on in the latest game, I feel. Maybe Sprit of Ivory would help? But calling in a whole-ass fabled just to deal with this feels like a bit much. Better to patch up the problem early on the script side, I think.
• Swap with or . With all the droisoning on script, I think there's some benefit to pings that are easier to sus out as droisoned. The last game felt very slippery because all worlds worked with how flexible the droisoning was, and how difficult it was to detect. Plus, I think it's more interesting how outsider pings like and still do good work when is droisoned because it discredits the pings, whereas drunk steward just kinda gets the ping and sits on it.
• Swap for . Slayer is high-stress and less fun than Virgin, I feel. Plus, it's a more "noticable droison," and I think it allows for more of that Miss Registration the script is supposed to be about!
• Swap with . Honestly? I just hate 😆. Could also be a swap?

[crisp blaze]

Yeah Steward is, at it's very best, not very strong. Librarian would be really solid, even Washerwoman would work since we have Spy here
I do think Mez+Poli is a little much, not because there's an overwhelming number of evil players but simply because there's a lot of players who are playing against town's best interest, and SoI+Poli is really feelsbad
Idk how I feel about Cerenovus, could be neato? I really like the quiet minion approach though and I think that'd be better for this script
And the Drunk/Mario/PM discussion is mostly informed by what ends up happening with No Dashii 😅

[shrewd heart]

Axo has said herself that part of the point of the script is quiet minions

In that vein, Cere bad

[lunar ermine]

Quiet Minions? And Goblin?!?

[shrewd heart]

You don't know you've got a goblin until they claim

You know if there's a cere because (typically) people are swapping around their claims a lot and also occasionally people get madness executed

[lunar ermine]

Hmm... quiet minions... Let's see...

Boomdandy?

[shrewd heart]

Possibly?

[lunar ermine]

Boomdandy/Goblin is excellent pair, I think. Quiet until it happens, and then so much fun once it does!

Also Boomdandy might be awesome for all the droisoning just because it ends the game faster so people don't have to think about it as much 🤣

[shrewd heart]

I like when games last a long time though :(

But yeah I think it's fine, I just probably wouldn't play that version of teh script because I don't like boomdandy

[silver tinsel]

Boomdandy might cause things to be a bit too quick, especially without the time/coordination to figure out all the droison

[lunar ermine]

Zombuul, MM, DA, Monk 😎 Let's make this BMR 3

[lunar ermine]

It's a minion! That's the point? And ST can throw in some less likely survivors if they want to balance things, I feel.

And personally, I think ending the game quicker is more pleasant than dragging myself through 5 layers of potential droisoning, but maybe that's just me being Lazy :P

[silver tinsel]

fair

assuming steward is removed, does anyone think vortox will still be too loud? I remember pre game I got some insight into the script from Axo herself about Vortox possibly being bad with Knight and Steward

[lunar ermine]

Vortox? Personally, I hate it, but it might be a good fit for the script

[crisp blaze]

I actually think I might like Vortox here? As a replacement for No Dashii of course. That makes sources of droison being caused by PM and Lleech/Pukka in a very limited fashion, versus all info being wrong all the time, and I think that dymanic is interesting enough to be neato

[lunar ermine]

What do you think about removing Baron and adding Vortox? Turns this into a 4/4 Demon minion situation, which is standard, and Dashii is balanced by no longer being able to play Baron games

[silver tinsel]

speaking of, i feel like the script could use some slight better evil/demon detection. Perhaps putting in an FT somewhere?

[silver tinsel]

would lack outsider mod

[lunar ermine]

Ahh, beans

[silver tinsel]

could do sentinel, but eeeeeeeeeh

[shrewd heart]

Vortox Knight 🤮

[silver tinsel]

fair point

[lunar ermine]

Would hidden outsiders help? and do a lot to keep themselves hidden. Could this be like... decaf outsider mod? 😆

[silver tinsel]

evil would need to bluff or to plug the gap, which is slightly eh

[lunar ermine]

How do people feel about here? I can get the impulse to put on script when there's so much droisoning going around, but honestly I think there's so little info on script that doesn't really have a lot to check against, and there's so much droisoning that runs a large risk of being bad itself! I have personal bias against because I find the info so hard to work with, and the interaction rubs me the wrong way, so maybe it's just that? People mentioned though, and I think that would swap nicely for that...

[tame hazel]

• If I swap out ND I might consider putting Drunk back in, but the face-up nature of PM means that it isn’t completely terrible to worldbuild around. ND + Drunk + Marionette is super punishing for good.
• I didn’t see the problem with this until the test, yeah. Mezepheles creating two potential people working for evil is too many - will think about swapping it for another quiet minion or dropping it entirely
• WW is never going on the script with Pixie. Librarian maybe, but it still feels way too strong considering that Baron is supposed to be relatively quiet here.
• Slayer is on the script to help good figure out who the real Goblin is and who the real Demon is. Not swapping it out.
• Marionette is a key part of the script’s identity. Not swapping it out, and definitely not for Cerenovus who is loud as hell

[tame hazel]

This script is designed around the Math being useful. FT was on a previous version, but people agreed it felt oppressive when the Demon can’t move around

[tame hazel]

Not with Knight on the script

I love that Knight is actually useful here (maybe if I swap ND for Imp I’ll reconsider about Knight)

[lunar ermine]

When you say "quiet minions," do you mean "minions who aren't easily confirmed through visible game effects?" For example, Witch would be "loud" because a nom death is open and instant, and Cerenovus is "loud" because players will see the "you are mad as X" thing, but Goblin is "quiet" because you can't confirm that until exe, and maybe Godfather might swing either way depending on how much extra death is on script?

[tame hazel]

You got it. I mentioned this in the offtopic thread, but you basically have to take every Goblin claim or Marionetting seriously because it’s super hard to figure out which minions are in play, which I find super fun

Hence why there isn’t a Dreamer or something on the script

[lunar ermine]

What would you say are the "core roles" on this script? Things that you would never swap out for fear of losing its identity? and you mention on the top, and there's too... I think you're going for a bit of a poisoned ping thing with , , , , with to round that out. you mentioned to figure stuff out, and to balance the goblin... anything I'm missing?

And as a related question, what roles would you look at first when considering a swap? The bottom listers that you're using mostly to fill out slots and don't feel like really fit here.

[lunar ermine]

Idea off the top of my head because I can't stop thinking: (Please let me know if I should stop 😅 I feel like I get annoying sometimes)

What about ? Probably swap off and to accommodate the extra evil, but I think it's a much needed source of continuous information in addition to a YSK, and with this much droisoning (or as an evil bluff) has the potential to be a beautiful trainwreck.

I hesitate to say this because it's played so poorly in every game I've seen it in, but ? I've heard that the interaction with is complete garbage, but I think people wouldn't fault you for using the bootlegger to deal with that, and "safe from the Demon" is important when Demons are the primary source of Droisoning. Fun for the same reason is fun with these demons, I think.

If you really like quiet minions, why not take things up to the max and throw in as a pair? You mentioned that is important because it lets good distinguish between Demon and , and I think fills a similar role by allowing Good to get rid of the entirely! Then, might bring them back, or an executed evil might claim to be that brought all the Goblins back! Very devious, and since the minions are all quiet, it'll be even harder to trace!

. Goblin's best friend!

[tame hazel]

in terms of TF: , , are all very core to the identity of the script. In a tier below are : I'd rather not swap them out but ehh, I guess?
Outsiders: because it's on theme and works well with the TF and the Spy. Also , but mainly to the extent of it hiding Baron. is fun on this script too.
Minions: , , (Baron too, but mainly because there aren't better outsider mod characters)
Demons: probably just the tbh. I like the outed evil Lleech dynamic but it's not integral. Lack of Demon mobility is core to this script though (hence why I really don't want to add an or )

[tame hazel]

BH was on a very very old version of this script (before I made the post, I think) and the problem I had with it was just how centralizing it felt. And if Baron stays on, then so does Poli, and BH + poli is just upsetting

Monk isn't going to be on the script while Pukka is - the interaction is just horrendous. I've considered Innkeeper but probably not that either

Hatter -Pukka is bleh, so probably not that. Engineer just makes Baron/Marionette on this script and completely neuters evil team, so probably not on this script (though I like the idea)

Boomdandy AND Goblin on the same script feels like overkill? They basically do the same job as each other, just that good can still win after the Boomdandy explodes

[tame hazel]

ND Baron is super rough for team good but I like what ND can do for an evil team which is why I'm reluctant to replace it with anything. On the other hand, I don't like dropping Baron and adding a Sentinel (since a Sentinel-1 with this Outsider line feels bad to give, even as an option)

[lunar ermine]

"Outed Lleech dynamic" so you're not too worried about having no other explanations for execution survival?

Expanding off this, do you have any problems that you're worried about for this script in particular? I have thoughts about noticable droisoning and solveability, but that's only with a sample size of one. I'm wondering if you as the creator of this script have seen anything that you think needs to be bonked?

[tame hazel]

The fact the Lleech is outed evil once executed is something I like about the script, yes, and is a deliberate choice

This script was designed for my in-person group, and thus, with live play as a priority, so I'm not THAT pressed about solvability? It's definitely meant as a more social script (think how like how TB plays over longtext), hence the mez/poli

The two main issues I've noticed on this script:

• Mezepheles is super oppressive when worldbuilding, even when not in play. +2 people potentially playing for evil proved too much, even when only one of them might actually turn

• No Dashii is incredibly strong here, definitely a step above the other demons, but having it confirmed Pukka if nobody is outed Lleech feels bad.

• • ND + Baron is also just a whole mess, especially on player counts where it adds a Puzzlemaster, essentially being -5 Townsfolk

[tame hazel]

Also regarding #1195464826898620597 having 1/2 sober townsfolk sniped n2 and the other townsfolk rendered ineffective is a recipe for evil winning (for a ND/Baron game, having no was super SUPER rough)

[lunar ermine]

Do you feel like this is an issue? Maybe it's bad to hold every game to the standard of TB, but the fact that such an oppressive grim is possible feels a little icky. Stronger info roles like and are haunting a lot of my consideration right now... something something "well, if all the info is super good, it'll be alright even with only 5 TF?"

...3 TF if Mez + puzzledrunk 😅

[tame hazel]

Even S&V and BMR can't match the robustness of TB when it comes to randomizing the bag, so I do feel it's a smidge unfair to compare it to that, yes

But consider the 5 TF in that game (2 of which are known to be poisoned) are (off the Steward) with a Spy in play

I think script design can only go so far to that extent

[tame hazel]

If all the info is super good, then good curbstomps when it's not ND + Baron

especially when you have things like a Lleech that might be outed evil

[lunar ermine]

Fair points, fair points

[tame hazel]

My problem with here is that it feels like you can only ping it off and

and maybe the

I've been tinkering around with -Pixie -Steward, +WW +Virgin

[lunar ermine]

Is it bad to ping it off the others? Loon prevents it from being a bluff, Poli can be suspected as a drunk ping

With so much droisoning on script, a poli ping isn't the end of the world, and I think it is also a servicable evil bluff

[tame hazel]

Pinging a poli feels a bit like showing the the

in the sense that it's nullifying the threatening part of the Politician - it can be anywhere, screwing up the Outsider count

(similar vibe as a mez)

[lunar ermine]

Hmm

How do you feel about the Librarian seeing ?

This feels similar to me

They're both hidden? One just tries to be hidden

[tame hazel]

Pinging the Politician with the Librarian feels bad for the person playing as the Politician, but feels good for the person playing as the Drunk

[lunar ermine]

Ah, but then the trying is what loses agency

I see it now

Gotcha gotcha

Sorry, empathy gears are turning slowly today 😅

[tame hazel]

Other, possibly less important thoughts:

• I'm not sure how I feel about the fact that drawing the Soldier token = (almost) free ride to f3. It's super strong but also super easy for evil to bluff with little cost (if it's a doubleclaim, cool, you execute the Soldier you wanted dead anyway)

• Puzzlemaster being the only consult role sucks and was part of the reason I removed Fisherman (though adding it in isn't too hard?)

-Soldier +Fisherman feels like the obvious solution to this but it feels weird and almost unbalancing?

and if I'm dropping No Dashii I'm almost certainly swapping PM back for Drunk, at which point Fisherman becomes unnecessary

-ND +Po and adding a Monk seems fun ("but isn't the demon confirmed po if more than 1 person dies at night?" yes, and it honestly seems fun considering Lleech can get similarly outed for wasting a good execution)

[lunar ermine]

Current idea... IDK what to call this? A "sub-bag"? There are "packages" in some card games (Hearthstone for me) of cards that interact with each other mechanically, and this is kind of what I'm thinking of. Anyways:

"Extra Death Package": , , and come out. because bad interaction with , because low power, and because I felt like we needed more info. If is the star of our show, I think a few characters to vary the death count help out a bit, and maybe "miss attribution-of-cause-of-death" is Miss Register's cousin or something? is up first and foremost, for the extra info, and follows to give Good a way to avoid killing themselves too quickly. With another source of drunkness on the board, comes out to make way for , which is another source of potential death but also indicates droisoning, which I think is important to make the situation less oppressive. is now quiet enough to replace with all the extra deaths, and is up as another strong info role to help Good sus out if any minions have been exed, and maybe reward a cheeky Minion Night kill from Evil.

[tame hazel]

I think it'd be interesting, but a Gossip feels like it strays too far from the core of the script

I do think you should make that script though since you've clearly put a lot of thought into it

I just don't think it'd be called Miss Register v0.5

[lunar ermine]

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind if this ever gestates into something larger. This is definitely just a weird offshoot of this script for now

[spark yarrow]

Gave +1 Thanks to @tame hazel (current: #30 - 427)

[lunar ermine]

The core of the script being misregistrations? Can Spy register as good in a Gossip statement?

I get what you're saying though... let's see...

[tame hazel]

yes, but misregistration itself isn't the core of the script (though that's where it takes its namesake)

misregistration is definitely a part of it (this started because of after all) but don't vibe right

[lunar ermine]

Alas! Vibes for the vibe god, then

How do you feel about slippery demons? feels quiet to me?

[tame hazel]

Demon mobility is a nope on any version of this script I make

[lunar ermine]

Valid and based

[tame hazel]

I seriously considered doing -ND +Imp but it just doesn't feel right

[tame hazel]

I've seriously considered this now and have soundly rejected the idea after failing to answer "why doesn't the Po just charge/triple every night"

[lunar ermine]

Y'know, with all the misregistration, this wouldn't be a bad Legion script 😆

[lunar ermine]

Why doesn't Po do that in BMR?

[tame hazel]

I thought about this but the vibes aren't there on a Spy script. Too many doubleclaims outs legion basically instantly

[lunar ermine]

Ah, Po doesn't do it because getting people to believe Zombuul Game when Po charging can be game winning, I get it now

And there's nothing like that on this script

[tame hazel]

• too many high-value targets that NEED to go ( , a skilled , , or )
• possibility for the triplekill to fizzle ( to an extent, )

[lunar ermine]

Oooh, that too

Do you think any of these fit well? I had been looking at a lot of BMR tokens because the deaths were nice to mask pukka/lleech, but that doesn't seem to be high priority for you

[tame hazel]

a script which I think gets outed po right is Andrew Nathenson's Church of Spies which, while the Pukka DOES get dunked on significantly on that script, it has some fun ideas

[lunar ermine]

Do you have another part of it, then? The droisoning seems like one, but I'm interested if you have more

[tame hazel]

It's hard to narrow down but if I had to try:

• misregistration ( and its shenanigans with )
• slippery minion line (you can never fully rule out )
• • to this end, having on the script somewhat necessitates a shifty outsider count and the (and, in previous versions, )
• immobile demon that can spread some misinformation on its own, since the minions aren't as disruptive as some of the louder stuff (, , ... anything that goes with a vigor, really)

[lunar ermine]

Hmm... that's down to Dashii or Vortox then. Tricky tricky

[tame hazel]

😭

[lunar ermine]

You don't mention as essential?

Let's see... what would Knight be struck for?

[tame hazel]

maybe not, but being actually good on this script was an unintended consequence I don't want to get rid of because of the sentimental value 😭

[lunar ermine]

LMAO

[tame hazel]

and also why the demon being immobile is thematic

[lunar ermine]

I can't say I buy it after losing to a Knight bluff, but I'll take your word for it 🤣

[lunar ermine]

Thematic?

Ah, the Knight plays nice with immobile demons

I get it, I get it

Late-night brain was thinking that there's some deep lore behind Knights and not moving demons lol

How do you feel about ? This script feels like a breeding ground for interesting powers

[tame hazel]

check out the top of the thread

was a thing in v0.1 but I swapped it for fish after it felt a little out of place? It feels more at-home among roles like and the Catfishing gang

[lunar ermine]

I'll take your word for it!

[candid trail]

I think should be replaced with

I think they fulfill similar functions, but one requires a very good social player to be workable, while the other is a damn huge debuff to evil.

[lunar ermine]

Minions:

Killing:
Assassin
Godfather

Execution Bait:
Boomdandy
Goblin

Madness:
Cerenovus
Harpy

Both madness minions are easily distinguishable, so I wouldn't recommend.

Potentially Loud:
Devil's Advocate (Needs Sailor/Pacifist/Lleech to be quiet)
Pit-Hag (Pithag is quiet if only targets evil, but with Spy on script? Gross...)

Loud:
Evil Twin
Fearmonger
Organ Grinder
Psychopath
Vizier
Widow (Can be quiet with self poison, but that's an edge case)
Witch (Can be quiet if every shot misses, but we shouldn't bet on that)

Quiet: (Untracable effects)
Baron (Mostly with hidden outsiders, but Poli is on script)
Marionette
Mastermind
Mezepheles
Poisoner
Scarlet Woman (No because slippery demon is bad)
Spy

[silver tinsel]

Poisoner is possibly slight overkill

[lunar ermine]

Turning it over in my head rn... I agree, but there aren't many minions left. Boomdandy, but Goblin is similar. Mastermind, but one Pukka doesn't quite justify the deathless night... Everything else is either too loud or needs an entire package to support it...

[silver tinsel]

possibly having mastermind and innkeeper might work, but also the main stickler (imo) is removing baron and all outsiderr mod

[lunar ermine]

One thought that's bubbling around: what if this script became solo ? I know the outed thing was fun, but I feel like a lot of problems are trying to balance between and the rest, and and alone don't gel well. TB is a script with a solo demon. Why not Miss Register?

[lunar ermine]

Currently on the block is Mephit. Poli already creates potential 4th evil, and 5 is too much

[silver tinsel]

makes sense

[silver tinsel]

it is an interesting thought. Although probably need some input from Axo

[lunar ermine]

@stRegister consult!

[tame hazel]

Poppy Grower seems overly punishing and fucks over the Pukka

[tame hazel]

because i want multiple demons on the script 🥹

[tame hazel]

an innkeeper alone does not a mastermind justify

I've seen MM work on, like, two full scripts ever. One of them is BMR

[silver tinsel]

fair enough

[lunar ermine]

I think MM needs plausible deathless nights and the threat of the po charge to make it viable. It is a fun minion, but the “double tap exe” meta makes it pretty weak

If there were minions that punished good for not executing, that would be nice? Something something decaf zombuul

[lunar ermine]

Is poppy grower bad for pukka in particular somehow?

Or is pukka just the weak link here that suffers from loss of info?

[tame hazel]

If the Pukka kills the PG, evil doesn't learn each other

[silver tinsel]

poison the poppygrower, ability never triggers and evils never learn each other

[lunar ermine]

Wtf

[tame hazel]

it's like Vortox-PG but worse

[lunar ermine]

That definitely deserves a jinx

Poison is suppose to help evil

[tame hazel]

or just don't put the two on a script together? 🤩

[silver tinsel]

never 🤩

[lunar ermine]

That's a potential solution from your end, fair enough, but as someone who cares about rules integrity and all parts within a single game working well together this causes me endless amounts of agony

[tame hazel]

All this is somewhat moot because I'm not the biggest fan of Poppygrower as a character

[tame hazel]

There's, like, 200+ characters in this game. Not all of them are going to work well together and I think that's okay

(or, well, there WILL be 200+ characters)

[lunar ermine]

Some of them will definitely have more or less synergy, and that's fair. Poppygrower being poisoned having an absolutely cursed result is something that can be avoided with better wording, but I'm not going to belabour the point.

Stepping aside, Poppy and Magician both play a similar role in disrupting evil comms, but are there any other TF that might fill a similar role? Maybe Courtier?

Not so much "comms" as "pain in ass to deal with for Evil"

[tame hazel]

I like the idea of courtier-drunking the Goblin but it inevitably brings immortal lleech scenarios in play which are 😬

[lunar ermine]

Goddammit not another bad interaction

This is exactly what I was talking about

[tame hazel]

ok lleech is just a janky character

[lunar ermine]

TPI get your crap together 😭

[lunar ermine]

Dev-side Skill Issue 😔

[lunar ermine]

Current problem I'm thinking about:

Core of the script is "Demon sourced Misinfo + hard to identify minions." is off the script because , which leaves us with exactly as our demons. One is a bit more OP than the others, but two is too easy to check between, so we go with all three

Current critical minions are , plus for outsider mod. The only other minion with outsider mod is , and that doesn't fit here without some additional death, so let's put that aside for now. Since needs to stay, needs to go, and that leaves us with one more slot. With off the table (for good reasons), the only "untraceable" official TPI minions left in are and . Maybe this script could just leave the 8th evil slot blank and go with 3 demons 4 minions?

Regardless of what's picked here, this script has, for now, locked itself into as the only plausible Minion with outsider mod, and that creates the extremely cursed scenario of regardless of what other choices are made.

My instinct--and I will admit that that this might be a misguided instinct, formed by TB and my own bad ideas of what should and should not be the goal of the script--is that, even with the worst possible set up on a script, there should be towns that stand some mechanical chance of narrowing the worlds. requires 3 TF to be able to, if not solve, significantly narrow, and also I don't think there's 3 TF that can do that in all of clocktower, let alone on this script, especially with 2 droisoned, 3 evils, 3 outsiders, and 1 poli running around spreading additional misinfo. (Barring extremely lucky snipes from or , or extremely broken info, I guess)

Now that I mention it, maybe some of the more powerful roles from SnV might be what's needed to balance out ? can be gone as a few lower priority roles, and come in as a little "consultation package." It shifts town towards the info heavy side, but and info can be weakened by the ST to account for different bags, and I feel like this sort of ST side flexibility is extremely useful on such a script where the variance of Evil Power is so high.

[tame hazel]

I think I've got a working set of subs: will write them up

[tame hazel]

I took another shot at this

maybe it works, maybe it doesn't?

[tame hazel]

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v0.4 --> v0.5 Changelog

After the first real playtest of this script in #1195464826898620597 I realized a couple of pressing problems with the script. This update's a big one: here are the changes that are coming with this version.

Mezepheles --> ∅

The potential to have two extra players playing for evil (a mez-turned player and a Politician) proved to be too much. I didn't think it was too powerful until actually playing the script, and I suspect with 3-minion games it would be even harder to manage. I couldn't find a quiet Minion I liked to replace it, so it's just popping off the script.

Steward & Pixie --> Washerwoman & Virgin

I'm talking about these two changes together because they do much the same thing: help solidify the confirmation on this script while giving Spy some more shenanigans to pull. Steward and Pixie could already misregister off Spy, but this isn't always obvious or even detrimental, and these Townsfolk are quite weak when it comes to confirming players. To put it as Jarhed did, Steward at its best is not very strong. Pixie causing doubleclaims felt off to me, and wasn't really what I was going for.

Washerwoman over Pixie is strong confirmation, especially for easily-bluffed characters like Knight, Slayer, or Ravenkeeper, and has the upside of not causing good players to doubleclaim each other (we already have Ravenkeeper and Politician). Virgin plays a similar role as it does on TB: there's plenty of YSKs that want to kill itself on the Virgin, and a couple characters that might do it late-game to prove themselves (Empath, General, UT).

Both of these characters interact beautifully with the Spy, sharing a home script with it and all. Spy can nullify a Washerwoman's ability and create false confirmation with the Virgin via misregistration (both things a Mathematician can pick up on and yell about later), and even without a Spy these are interesting (if difficult) evil bluffs.

Alright, here's the big change:

No Dashii --> Po

No Dashii, Baron, and Puzzlemaster does not a good combination make. With base 2 outsiders, the Baron is forced to add a Puzzlemaster, essentially making the evil team have [-5 Townsfolk]: much, MUCH too strong. This was the case in #1195464826898620597, where the General and Magician were the only sober Townsfolk: with a Spy in play, those were all gone by Night 3.

But why the Po? It came from the same place that Lleech does: providing a unique kind of misinformation while risking outing yourself if you're not careful. In this case, the Po's brand of misinformation isn't poisoning, but murder. It can emulate a Pukka or Lleech just fine, but if/when it ramps up its kill rate, Townsfolk can start dropping like flies. However, do this too early and the good team can rule out Pukka and Lleech, which is huge: outside of a Drunk, all the other information is sober. It's like how it is in Andrew Nathenson's Church of Spies.

This comes with the bonus of helping out the Pukka and Lleech the other way around: in F6/F5, good team will start getting Po-paranoid: maybe a sunk kill can sell that world for them and cause them to misexecute?

I'll admit that this is a little bit of an experiment, and somewhat unconventional. I want a third Demon on the script that can pretend to be the other two, since having solo Pukka or Pukka/Lleech as the demon lineup doesn't really appeal to me. Who knows — maybe Baron's the issue here and not No Dashii.

Puzzlemaster --> Drunk

PM being the only consulting character on the script sucked, and the reason Drunk wasn't here was because the No Dashii had a pretty bad interaction with it. Now, with Drunk and Politician, Baron has the potential to be truly silent at all player counts, which is a strong buff for evil, but something I don't think is unbearable. As a bonus: fun interaction with Lleech and Mathematician.

Soldier --> Monk

I'll admit I didn't really want to remove the Soldier, but it felt like the best Townsfolk to remove. Playing the Soldier is very social on this script: unless you're the Drunk, evil team can't get rid of you. Drawing the token will get you to the final day, barring getting yourself executed to avoid people tunneling on you as the Demon. Good needs some kind of play to counter the Po outing itself instantly and getting 1.5 kills a night, though, and I think the Monk is the answer to that, while also providing a clue as to whether or not it's a spy game and giving the Po a reason why a charge might've happened. It's not a perfect fix — 2 kills after a charge is still pretty bad — but it helps level the playing field if the Monk is savvy about how they bluff.

But isn't the interaction between Monk and Pukka bad? Absolutely. I wish I didn't have to, but this seemed like the best way to reconcile Po on the script as a replacement for No Dashii (another immobile Demon that might out itself, but can blend in somewhat easily with the other Demons). Think of this like balancing out the Ravenkeeper/Pukka interaction.

[lunar ermine]

All of these changes are cool and based 😎 I'll advocate again for an official monk-pukka jinx that lets monk stop the poison or the death, but not both, just to give poor lil pukka some breathing room, but I can get not wanting to boot leg things :P

You've certainly considered this, but I'm curious to hear your take on MM, especially now that Po is on? Feels like the MM day is exactly the sort of misregister that plays nice with Po charging, but if the vibes are off I respect that 👍

[tame hazel]

See above when I talked about MM earlier

A MM day often doesn’t feel the same way a Monk save, Pukka miss, or a Po charge does - with those as the only explanations for a 0-death night Mastermind feels super weak

[crisp blaze]

Ooh I really like these changes

My one concern is that Po getting 3 kills every other night isn't quite balanced enough against its lack of misinfo? Like Po charges then kills 3 on N3, it's immediately obvious which demon it is, but evil doesn't care and Po just rips through town quick enough for it not to matter? With Drunk + Mario + misreg there's still a little misinfo

I would absolutely love to see how it plays out in action, but my fear is that the drawback for the Po isn't nearly as bad as it appears 😅 I would absolutely playtest it before switching out the Po tho, I really do want to see this in action before jumping to any conclusions

[lunar ermine]

Speaking of playtesting... who's running this script next? 👀

[silver tinsel]

me again, we're going back in

although possibly

me again, but its livetext with smaller number

[carmine citrus]

Awesome work on the changes, I love to read about the reasoning behind all of them and I really enjoyed watching the first playtest! I think all of these decisions are very reasonable and I'm interested to see how they will play out in practice!!

[shrewd heart]

Ew no

PG is soooo swingy you have no idea

The fact that Magician did nothing in our test was just unlucky

[craggy kindle]

I've honestly never seen magician do something 🙈

[lunar ermine]

Of course! If you saw them doing it, it wouldn't be magic, would it? 😆

[tame hazel]

Every game (aside from the aforementioned playtest) that I’ve played with a Magician has had it seriously bork comms with the evil team until d3-d4

Maybe I’ve just gotten (un)lucky though

[olive vigil]

I’ve seen evil players out themselves to Magicians in like 3 text games, it’s amazing. Even when that doesn’t happen, they still hinder evil communication, I’ve only seen 1 game where they were side-stepped completely

[shrewd heart]

I have, twice

#for-my-next-trick-you-die and
#1188529395648970772

But tbf in one of those instances we were friends and in the other the evil player who got duped was new

And those are just the instances where evil trustfell

[tame hazel]

FYI: Miss Register v0.5 is getting a playtest in #1216667279455162459! I might update the script after the playtest, but will definitely do a post-mortem and analyze how that game reflects on the script as a whole.

[lunar ermine]

Oh wow that looks like such a cool and fun game with very nice people!

[lost trout]

Woah. I sure love the look of that "autumn" player

[shrewd heart]

Yeah same

That Toges chick seems questionable at best tho, tbh

[daring crane]

Man that squid guy claimed goblin what a genius move that didn't screw over the good team at all

[blissful belfry]

pretty good script! personally im not a fan of mario for reasons ive already stated, but it works alright and fits the theming of the script super well

lots of roles i dont see often that i do like (im a lleech superfan)

[daring crane]

Really well done script the characters flowed nicely and the theming was cool

[shrewd heart]

@true cove

[true cove]

thank you toges

[shrewd heart]

@jade trench

[tame hazel]

This playtest is done! I’ve got my thoughts on the script in the context of that game written up; I’ll need some time to actually send it.

[true cove]

it was nice game

[shrewd heart]

I guess if there's one thing I've been pondering it's goblin? Two games have swung in the direction of evil as a result of a goodie claiming goblin

Pretty sure that's a player problem and not a script problem though...

[blissful belfry]

yeah i dont think thats an issue with the role itself, it just allows good to poison their worldbuilding super hard

having the ability to play greedily as good on a script is good imo, even if i feel like 90% of the time its used when it shouldnt be

like a slayer using a goblin claim hold on for one more day to get the shot off is HoF shit

[tame hazel]

PLAYTEST 2 REVIEW

__Okay, what was the grim like? __

As with the last game, a very strong evil team was put in, sort of giving a trial-by-fire to the new addition Po , along with Spy and Marionette (who saw the Washerwoman token).

Outsiders: Drunk (who saw the Juggler token) and Recluse , one hidden and one public. Gave evil the flexibility to bluff another one (Poli in this case, though I bet the game would've gone similarly with a Lunatic bluff) to hide the Drunk (which worked exceedingly well).

TF: . RK is useless in a spy game but the rest are pretty powerful unhampered

How did the game go?

I didn't follow too closely, but:

• Recluse nommed the Virgin (who later got UT confirmed) and didn't come out with being an Outsider, causing a tunnel
• Math pinged off Recluse-Marionette (good) which framed the RK after the Empath died in the night (suspecting Pukka, so away the RK goes)
• UT claims Goblin for two days, making them the frame
• Spy claims Poli and the Drunk Juggler goes undercover, making the Demon's General bluff sail to the endgame without suspicion (despite the wonky info)

Good played alright, even though the first two days were rough, and once the Po charged they (somewhat understandably) tunneled on the good Goblin claim (even after the Slayer shot them).

What did I learn about the script?

• This is a very social script, with info being relatively low. Good did a good job but couldn't mech solve (success!)
• Monk doesn't need to be on the script. Soldier does its job just fine, and I preferred its dynamic anyway.
• Somewhat counter to the last point: A Kazali seems like a ton of fun on this script. It'd require removing the Baron (since a Kazali never makes one) and the Soldier I'm planning to put back (sad!), but using it as a third demon that obscures the outsider count seems like just the ticket.
• Untraceable drunk sucks and I preferred when PM was on the script but it might be too destructive for such a low-info good team

I see a couple paths I might go down:

keep the po

-Monk +Soldier (they protect the same amount of people each night, why did I change this)

either -Drunk +PM or -Politician +Goon, maybe both (traceability + making Baron less powerful, since silence is super deadly)

possibly -Magician for an inforole like Savant or Fisherman?

drop the po for a kazali

-Po +Kazali (heck yeah)

-Baron +something? Still lost on this one. (Poisoner seems too strong, Boomdandy's doubling up with Goblin, SW provides mobility I'd rather not give, Summoner is interesting but don't know enough about the character to confidently put it on, and others are too loud or obviously bad)

[jade nest]

kazali and summoner have a jinx, kazali cannot make a summoner, and there really wouldn’t be a reason for a summoner to make a kazali either. if you’re avoiding baron and poisoner there’s not many options left for quiet minions. i don’t think scarlet woman would be too strong if that’s what you’re worried about, plus it’s the only way a jump could happen

kazali is rad as hell tho you should still totally do that

[lunar ermine]

Could Baron be kazali jinxed?

“If Kazali makes a Baron, two TF turn into outsiders”

That feels like it should be official ish

Doesn’t seem like there’s any good quiet minion replacement options though… not unless you want to bring Mephit back online

[lunar ermine]

The SW is less about strength and more about vibes. Axo’s mentioned wanting this to be a stationary demon script

After all, people working registers don’t tend to move much, right?

[jade nest]

ah i dig

makes the last minion a tough choice tho, maybe could be something that's not quiet all the time? there's a few options for that

also i checked, no jinx with the baron

could always house rule it, but i think that would be way too strong

kazali is variable enough as it is

[blissful belfry]

put in mez you wont

wait im silly i was looking at the wrong script

you would actually

and then you would think better of it

tbh i prefer mez to poli

[jade nest]

that sounds like a good idea to me

[lunar ermine]

On the drunk note, I don’t think it felt terrible, personally? Untraceable is rough, true, but it enabled evil to do outsider shenanigans, which was fun, and I feel like the only thing that stopped us from properly analyzing Drunk worlds was the good Goblin claim.

[tame hazel]

just got a brain blast of -Baron +Poisoner -Poli +Acrobat if I’m doing Kazali

[lunar ermine]

Oooooh, sounds spicy! Do you think the extra death is too obvious? Or do you think Po charge into Po sinking one kill is enough of a potential frame that Acrobat also potentially misregisters?

[tame hazel]

I may or may not have forgotten acrobat hard confirms itself without a po

[tame hazel]

How would people feel about -General +High Priestess? Now that Mezepheles is gone something like HP might be a bit more useful

and there are a lot of reasons to send it to evil players: a Marionette whose info doesn't pass the sniff test, a Goblin whose bluff just isn't good, etc

it's not just "Each night, learn a sober and healthy good player"

[brave hinge]

i think its good because a lot of roles on here interact with another in some way so its easy to reinforce info

though hp is a little confusing based on the ruling because its hard to tell if they were sent to back up info or disprove it, like if the empath pinged off the recluse or something a hp may think they were sent so they can try to figure that out if they had a suspicion? though usually i think if its something like that they just assume theyre droisoned

[lunar ermine]

Can’t say I’m a fan, but I’m biased because I think HP is a badly designed TF in the first place 😅 General felt fine, even as an Evil bluff, and I feel like, looking back, most of Evil Advantage was due to unfortunate misplays by Good

[tame hazel]

I'm just not as sold on General anymore now that I dumped mez

like, what exactly is General tracking here

outside of just being an Oracle at home

[shrewd heart]

Mathematician at home

[brave hinge]

oracle and mathematicians misunderstood child

would a fisherman be a decent replacement? u can only give info once but u can be more descriptive about it

savant works too actually but theres no other consult based roles 🥲

[tame hazel]

the return of pm 🤩

[shrewd heart]

I think savant flies in the face of the low-info nature of the script

Well not low info but like

[tame hazel]

^^ this is the big one, savant feels too strong

[shrewd heart]

The socials

Make this script

[tame hazel]

After thinking about it for a bit, I think a Kazali is funny on the script but a Po is probably more interesting (if a little too powerful)

I'm not sure there's a minion I like that can really replace Baron if I put Kazali in

[tame hazel]

First live voice playtest happened today! Some highlights:

• Pukka sniped the Monk and UT n1 and n2
• General got thumb sideways, slightly down, and fully down but the good team got the demon on D3 due to a juggler-confirmed empath
• the Spy bluffed Shugenja pointing at the whole evil team (that helped with the demon snipe)
• Pukka'd UT saw the Knight as the Poli and he just ran with it, fun times
• Poli put the Goblin on the block D2 then just played for good the rest of the game

I'm very happy with how this script is working out live; people had a ton of fun and it felt really balanced!

This reconfirmed a couple of the big points to me: socials matter a ton on this script and the Politician is a ton of fun. Mechanically worlds were very open but socials allowed good to narrow on the solve, which is something I'm very happy with.

Planned v0.5.1 changes:

Monk --> Soldier

They protect the same amount of people at night. The Soldier being untouchable and pseudo-Stormcaught is something I find a lot of fun; the evil team has to work to frame them making Soldier very powerful. It also plays a bit nicer with Pukka while still having utility in Lleech and Po (while Monk feels overtuned in Pukka, pretty balanced in Lleech and a bit weak in Po.

that's it, tbh. I'm backing off changing Drunk and Poli for now because I really like how both feel on the script at the minute

[craggy kindle]

One note I want to make just about the script is that it’s being described as “low info” which I kind of just heavily disagree with?

There’s a metric ton of info, it’s a high info high misinfo script

Worlds will stay open due to the sheer number of possibilities the outsiders and minions/demon naturally provide, but there’s a lot of info

I do really like how it’s turning out, and with some more play testing and fine tweaking I simply think it can be straight up fire

[tame hazel]

I wouldn’t call it high info either? I’d say it’s very comparable to TB in that regard

[olive vigil]

Yeah, when I think high info I think roles like Savant, Dreamer, and Balloonist, and having the good team be almost entirely info gathering roles.

This script has info, sure, but there’s several townsfolk that don’t provide direct info like Monk, Virgin, and Magician, so I’d say this leans more on the social side

[craggy kindle]

Ah lmfao tbf I was looking at the wrong script image 😂

Yeah no, it’s low-med info

[tame hazel]

JSON: [{"id":"_meta","author":"Axolator","name":"Miss Register v0.5.1"},"washerwoman","knight","shugenja","empath","general","mathematician","undertaker","juggler","virgin","slayer","ravenkeeper","soldier","magician","recluse","drunk","politician","lunatic","spy","baron","goblin","marionette","pukka","lleech","po"]

v0.5 --> v0.5.1 Changelog

A couple more playtests of v0.5 have happened since last time! I've only changed one character here, so I didn't feel it warranted being v0.6.

Monk --> Soldier

To be honest, I'm not sure why I changed this to begin with. The writeup I had in v0.4 --> v0.5 was, to put it informally, a whole lot of yap and not much actual reasoning. Since the last couple playtests, I've come to the conclusion that the Soldier just fits this script better.

The Monk and Soldier protect the same number of people each night. Monk is begging to be bluffed by a Po who just charged, and otherwise feels a little too strong against Pukka. Meanwhile, the Soldier must be framed on this script to be dealt with - outside of being the Drunk or Marionette, there's no way for evil to get rid of it (no Poisoner, unlike TB). It'll be up to the good team to either trust the Soldier player until final day, or execute them via Virgin or normal means to eliminate the possibility of evil bluffing the character. On a more social script like this, Soldier feels like it makes more sense over the Monk.

[brave hinge]

how does soldier work with lleech/pukka?

with lleech i think its still hosted but cant be killed?? and pukka i have no idea actually

[leaden cloud]

With lleech, you are right in that the soldier can't die still. With pukka, the soldier doesn't get poisoned and therefore doesn't die later

[blissful belfry]

wait im silly ignore

it was specifically mentioned lmfao

[tame hazel]

Popping back in for a quick addendum!

If you’re running this script, consider using the following Bootlegger rules:

Spy + Marionette + Magician: When the Spy sees the grimoire, the "Is the Marionette" reminder token is removed, too.

Doing this makes it less trivial for the Spy to figure out which player is the real Demon. If you're going to run either of these rules, this is the one I would consider most strongly.

Virgin + Lleech: The Lleech host does not register as a Townsfolk to the Virgin.

Doing this prevents the D1 rerack when the Lleech host gets themselves Virgin-executed (killing the Lleech in the process). It’s not strictly necessary since the game would just rerack pretty quickly after, but in an in-person setting or other time where reracks are annoying or impossible, you may want to consider using this to keep the game going.

[tame hazel]

wait alsaahir goes kinda hard here maybe i should return to this script

@golden relic you are miss register's strongest soldier: given how often you run it, what do you think about it?

• does good, like, actually win? i like how social it can be but i worry it's evil-sided
• does slayer feel interesting here? given that in most cases it's an OPG half-knight (still good compared to TB) i'm back and forth on it
• does general feel interesting here?

it feels like there's a ton of misinfo here between recluse/drunk/spy/pukka/lleech, even with some super powerful confirmation in juggler, math, empath, ut, virgin

currently toying with the possibility of adding a dreamer and alsaahir while dropping slayer and one of general/virgin

general thoughts:

• dreamer feels like it fits the theme super well, is a strong inforole, and can help narrow Goblins which is great for the good team
• • BUT it might step on the toes of Washerwoman a little bit in how it can get confirmations with people by walking up to them and coldcalling their role. are the two distinct enough in play pattern? It also might swing too hard toward good
• alsaahir is another world-razor that's super interesting here since it ruling out worlds is genuinely a very useful trait even when it doesn't straight-up win
• • BUT it kinda dunks on Lleech if it becomes an outed Demon while also being an invisible host which might be unfun (notably, this is also true of slayer, so might not actually be terrible)

[golden relic]

• good wins quite often. Magician often in play when this happens but I see a general balance of good and evil wins regardless. I do think Pukka is a bit weak on the script since you can often tell if its a pukka game if even one of their picks is executed
• slayer is fun here, synergizes with knight and very helpful for worldbuilding, especially in smaller script
• General often does just become a budget Oracle here, also its very hard to detect a poisoned general and i've played 2 games where a lleech-hosted general was "confirmed not host" because they let their info make sense

The misinfo is quite fun, watch out for dreamer mario tho its quite strong for good
I think Alsaahir would actually go crazy here, I would add it (offers another incentive for lleech not to get outted)

if you had to replace something id replace general

also lleech host nominating the virgin is sad but i think virgin works here

[golden relic]

oh yeah bootlegger jinx

[tame hazel]

It's not perfect but it keeps the game running

[tame hazel]

ty for the insight on general and glad to know the script isn't as evil-sided as I thought!

• the thing with pukka is just that cover is rough from a scriptbuilding perspective, but i think it balances out with it being pretty good into the info suite (rk especially)
• your thoughts on general seem to match mine, there aren't really enough levers for it to be particularly interesting i fear
• dreamer/marionette seems fine? for every real marionette they see you can also show marionette as the fake evil role on someone with two good neighbors. Marionette (Dreamer) also goes kinda crazy especially with poli and drunk on the script
• General out for alsaahir feels a little odd because slayer/alsa on the same script has weird vibes - maybe it goes hard tho

[spark yarrow]

Gave +1 Thanks to @golden relic (current: #110 - 340)

[tame hazel]

i think General/slayer out dreamer/alsa in is what I'm looking at

[golden relic]

yeah slayer and alsaahir overlap, i dont mind conceptual overlap as long as its not OP

also your dreamer point is fair

dreamer would be fun here now that i think about it

since spy

[tame hazel]

exactly it's decently bluffable

[golden relic]

yeah i like that change then

[tame hazel]

big fan of how this is looking

wanna do some playtesting with this version first before officializing it

[sage basin]

The reasons for no deaths seem rather limited?

Soldier, pukka miss or po charge

The demon could sink, but a po charge could be rather obvious

[tame hazel]

true, but there's not much that works here. A Po charge being kinda obvious is intentional - if they want kills they can out themselves, but they risk eliminating Pukka/Lleech worlds if they do it too early

[sage basin]

Yeah, it wasn't exactly a criticism but more of something to be aware about

[tame hazel]

i thought about it for another second - dreamer limits worlds severely in a way i'm not sure I like

it bumps up against all the shenanigans evil wants to pull like fake-marionetting and fake goblin claiming

and it eliminates all of that at once

[tame hazel]

wait, it's so simple

high priestess

it's perfect

okay maybe not

but i do like it here

it's more directed in terms of how the ST gives info, which can point to who the ST needs you to get social reads on - the pings by design won't mean anything in a vaccuum

(the goblin, the good player who just got marionetted, the poli)

[golden relic]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-pain-crying-gif-19361950

eh it’s probably fine here i just fundamentally don’t like that role

[tame hazel]

have you considered: skill issue

[golden relic]

the only n1 droisoning is pukka or drunk tho

so if i don’t die n2 i can assume my n1 ping is either good or i’m exactly the drunk

and no i’m not gonna show the HP the goblin over the WW confirmation chain

it’s true that dreamer restricts worlds too much

[tame hazel]

see prev. if the ww is already gonna talk about it the HP doesn't need to be there. the HP does need to lock that goblin into a bluff asap, or help the Virgin find someone to nominate them, etc etc

[golden relic]

no not a WW seeing HP

i’m just saying on this script 90% of the time (like most scripts) the sober HP sees a good player N1

i was just using WW as an example

[tame hazel]

i didn't think you were talking about a WW seeing HP?

[tame hazel]

but this is fair

[golden relic]

oh in that case we have a disagreement on how HP should be run which is fine

it’s very ST dependent anyway

i don’t think it’s gamebreaking on this script i just think there could probs be a better choice

[tame hazel]

it's hard to find info that fits the vibe while also not being too constricting

[golden relic]

hmm

yeah there actually might not be anything better

ok HP is fine then

wait i might be tweaking out hard

but does Chambermaid work here

or does it just obliterate goblin

[tame hazel]

with empath/math as the only each night wakers (and UT as only EN*), no way

it destroys the demons

[golden relic]

oh true

just add fisherman then ez role fits everywhere 😎😎😎

[tame hazel]

only consult on script 🤮

like it's not bad per se but it's not good either

[urban gyro]

If you dont get to it first, theres a chance I can try it like Sunday (assuming queue goes for it)

[golden relic]

just ran a game of this with the HP and Alsaahir change

alsaahir died immediately so idk how that worked by HP was quite good here

they didnt solve their info but i actually felt like the role did more than each night steward here

[tame hazel]

yippee!!

there we go

i do want to see if i can run this myself at some point before officializing this

[vital oxide]

you know kenoboi REALLY likes a script if he likes hp on it 🔥

[golden relic]

REAL

[tame hazel]

just realized if I change the first digit of the version number to 1 it makes this script look much newer than it is 💀

miss register stays v0.X forever

[vital oxide]

just flip the ordering

it's v6 now

[tame hazel]

I don't hate that actually

[vital oxide]

also the classic tell of a battle-tested script is that it has some bizarrely specific version number

like how catfishing is just "v11.1" forever

[golden relic]

json?

sorry i just realized i dont have the new one

[tame hazel]

!json

[restive pollen]

MISS REGISTER V0O.6 by Axolator

[{"id":"_meta","author":"Axolator","name":"MISS REGISTER V0O.6"},"washerwoman","knight","shugenja","empath","high_priestess","mathematician","undertaker","alsaahir","juggler","virgin","ravenkeeper","soldier","magician","recluse","drunk","politician","lunatic","spy","baron","goblin","marionette","pukka","lleech"]

[tame hazel]

-remindme 1d pressgang people into playing this script

[spark yarrow]

Set a reminder in 1 day from now (<t:1736258453:f>)
View reminders with the reminders command

[spark yarrow]

Reminder for @tame hazel

Reminder from YAGPDB

pressgang people into playing this script

[tame hazel]

ah, right, i need to do that

[tame hazel]

JSON: [{"id":"_meta","author":"Axolator","name":"Miss Register v0.6"},"washerwoman","knight","shugenja","empath","highpriestess","mathematician","undertaker","alsaahir","juggler","virgin","ravenkeeper","soldier","magician","recluse","drunk","politician","lunatic","spy","baron","goblin","marionette","pukka","lleech","po"]

v0.5.1 --> v0.6 Changelog

General --> High Priestess

I actually had the HP on a beta version of 0.5, but ended up dropping it. After some consideration (and also learning how to ST HP good and not bad) I think it fits way better than General; there are so many social aspects to pick up on here that a HP excels at finding and rooting out. The General felt like a budget Oracle at times, and didn't really have the nuance to pick up on what was important in a meaningful manner most of the time.

Slayer --> Alsaahir

Slayer overlapped with Knight in a way I wasn't particularly like? If it doesn't win, it's half a Knight ping you can target - very useful, but not exactly the most fun thing, especially since if you hold it too late you die at night. Alsaahir is a similar character that really thrives here from the immobile evil team and especially likes Lleeches getting outed - it's super fun to play here and eliminate worlds with, since it also helps good answer the "goblin or demon" question like Slayer did by eliminating the worlds one by one.

I'm really happy with how this script works right now! Everything fits together nicely and the theme is cohesive and fun. The one thing I really want to test is how this feels at 3-minion: I'm excited to see how that goes. Either way — very satisfied with the state this script is in!

[golden relic]

I LOBER MISS REGISTER BY AXOLATOR DISCORD

[tame hazel]

THANK YOU KENOBOI you are Miss Register's strongest soldier

hey, kenoboi, does this make you a simp?

whatevs

[sage basin]

UT + Marionette is strong

[tame hazel]

recluse/marionette is an intended interaction on this script to make it suck less, plus in practice there tends to be sufficient misinfo to discredit an Undertaker who pulls Marionette sober

testing has shown it's not scriptbreaking; it's definitely strong for a UT to pull Marionette but it's a question of whether they can trust it

[golden relic]

uh um uh no it’s a healthy relationship

[golden relic]

just ran a game of this with a D1 Alsaahir win 😍

it was very funny

[weak bluff]

Nya

Joining this thread because I am running this script (soon-ish, on a mafia forum)

[golden relic]

lmk how it goes

addicted to the script

[dapper stag]

@tame hazel What's the custom jinxes/rules etc on this script again?

Also Marionette and Lunatic at bottom of areas? Lleech not the bottom? YSKs in thematic order? 🔥 🔥

https://tenor.com/view/guy-slamming-card-on-table-gif-21126320

[tame hazel]

Just bootlegging Virgin/Lleech such that the Lleech host doesn't register as a Townsfolk to the Virgin

[craggy kindle]

The bank after I rob them:

Miss Register

[tame hazel]

new script image made by @dapper stag ‼️

[tame hazel]

ty for adding the bootleg to the script image 🥹

[golden relic]

GODBLESS THIS BOOTLEGGER JINX

[minor dust]

wowie

[lunar ermine]

Smh back in my day, you had to virgin nom as lleech host up the hill both ways through the snow, and it built character

[golden relic]

#1340056503515611218 message

[tame hazel]

so why is pukka the weakest demon

[golden relic]

@tame hazel continuing this conversation

ok so

on this script the demons are pretty loud

po is po

[tame hazel]

mhm

[golden relic]

and lleech usually gets found out from my playtesting

[tame hazel]

lleech and pukka tend to disguise as each other at least from what i've seen?

[golden relic]

not always tho

[tame hazel]

if the lleech is getting executed then L

[golden relic]

i have seen pukka games where they think it’s lleech and vice versa

but not many

so when pukka is outted it becomes significantly worse

[tame hazel]

that's true

soldier bluff is helpful but doesn't really push it all the way there

because of just how pukka works

sometimes it misses 3 kills and gets outed

[golden relic]

and when there are no kills because you executed the pukka pick, po and soldier can only explain so much

yeah that too

but i think the biggest problem is its fragility

[tame hazel]

pukka i feel is very swingy

[golden relic]

one reason i really like this script is because there is zero demon mobility

[tame hazel]

either town builds lleech the whole game and gets rolled or pukka gets outed and gets destroyed

[golden relic]

but that doesn’t really matter with lleech in the same way

and po can often just rampage before town before it gets caught

but pukka is a 0.9 KpN demon with zero mobility

[tame hazel]

I think that more evils could stand to claim Goblin here but given the info landscape I get why they don't

since only like empaths uts and soldiers ever claim goblin

[golden relic]

yeah demons need to claim goblin more

[tame hazel]

if you have the spygrim there's a very good chance you just pukka the right people and get yourself built as goblin

[golden relic]

yeah true

tbf the one time i had pukka RK the pukka was hard outed so i just told the RK the truth

i will see about that

and i have seen pukka wins

but i disagree that it’s the strongest demon

[tame hazel]

idk, i haven't actually run many po games but it tends to get found out pretty quickly after charging on 5

since po = zero droison

it's just spycluse

which is a lot! but it's not pukka or lleech

[golden relic]

like the player is discovered or the demon type

yeah po is definitely my least ran demon on this script

so i don’t know that much about it

has vati been lurking this entire time dear lord

[vital oxide]

yes

[midnight grove]

Probably

Yeah

[golden relic]

AND HYSTREX

[midnight grove]

I've been in and out

[golden relic]

fair

[tame hazel]

oh yeah and the drunk

i forgot about the drunk on my own script

AND THE POLI

GOD BLESS THE POLITICIAN

[vital oxide]

I considered mentioning poli too

[tame hazel]

and the lunatic

but tbh the lunatic figures it out pretty quickly

[vital oxide]

it's not internal misinfo but it's external misinfo

[tame hazel]

it's not bmr quick but online by like d2 they've usually figured things out

maybe d3

[golden relic]

yeah magician and mario help conceal it for like an extra day or too

but unless the demon follows all the kills blindly then they usually figure it out when another person dies

shoutout to the time there were two evil teams because both the demon and the lunatic were told they had a marionette

and both marionettes believed it

WAIT AND THE GOBLIN HAD A FAKE MARIO??? or no that was a different game

god i love this script

[timid galleon]

0.9?

[golden relic]

on average

[tame hazel]

the -0.1 is from when the pukka poisons a player and then they get executed

and they drop a kill

[midnight grove]

Wait axo why isn't demagogue on

[tame hazel]

the minions are supposed to be silent

dema isn't

[midnight grove]

It's quiet enough to work imo

[minor dust]

Ran this script

Evil won this set up!

[tame hazel]

that can't be right, pixlate was the demon

[minor dust]

There are a bunch of things I didn't expect which caused issues

Ye

I can go over the game

Well, first, an obscenely long set up time

I tend to overthink it

I had a grim set up like this which... ye I wasn't confident i was running this lol

So I redid it with characters I felt more confident in

I do think making a comment that spy can't see the 'Is the Marionette' token is useful, because I felt I had to put it on the Lunatic here

[urban gyro]

I like that the Pukka is the Marionette. Brave choice

[minor dust]

Otherwise Spy insta solves the magician which I thought wasn't great

[urban gyro]

/j.

Oh wait it’s physical Lunatic setup

[minor dust]

Ye

I run physical lunatic

[tame hazel]

it's in the magician writeup to not include things like the ND poison reminders, so I kinda thought it went without saying, but fair enough

[minor dust]

That's fair

I think. READ ALMANACS, AUTUMN

is in short the big thing

Just becasue I can run some customs doesn't mean I can run all of them

[minor dust]

ye

That makes sense

D1/N1 - Huff pukka poisoned. High Priestess sent to Geoffrey. Julian gets executed.

D2/N2 - thePineapple pukka poisoned and sent to Zeminus, the Mario who learns a correct '1' on Eliott (Alsaahir ✅ ) and Julian (Shugenja ❌). Rikytan Virgin exed under a Shugenja claim.

D3/N3 - Moon pukka picked. Math 2 (Virgin proc+Undertaker proc on Spy). Good cannot build the math number. Already suspected pukka, so players suspect on Zem+Eliott+Richard world with Zem supporting Elliot. Zeminus convinces Eliott to claim Goblin, and claims Goblin himself. Richard exed.

D4/N4 - Sponge picked. Richard seen as a Politcian. Math 1. Eliott executed.

D5 - Zeminus self noms, claims Goblin, gets executed. Evil wins.

It was good but I realise that there are some characters I need to look at the almanacs of properly!

[analog ibex]

meanie

[minor dust]

Do you run Spy as able to misregister for the High Priestess?

[analog ibex]

HP i think refers to the player themselves, not their character

[minor dust]

I know that Rules as Run it usually doesmt

But Rules as Written it can

[midnight grove]

Pls don't 😭🙏

[tame hazel]

...how, though?

if you do it'd ping the math but im not sure it can meaningfully misregister as "worth talking to" given how social HP is as a character

[kindred apex]

Spy can register as:
Good
Townsfolk
Outsider

Spys ability isn’t:
Each night, you see the Grimoire. You might register as good & as a townsfolk or outsider and good to talk to…

Mr favourite character is the Super Spy. Each night, you see the Grimoire. You might register as a chill guy.

[golden relic]

spy only misregisters to mechanical abilities that detect the keywords Good, or Townsfolk or Outsider. High Priestess detects none of these

[midnight grove]

(or something that references those keywords like "character type")

[minor dust]

Spy/recluse apparently can misregister to general and fisherman bc they are designed to widely screw with most things

[midnight grove]

But have you considered having fun

[minor dust]

I agree it's weird.

[tame hazel]

Yeah, my recommendation is to... just not

[minor dust]

I don't run it that way. I was more wondering whether this script wanted it to be run like that or not

The answer is "no"

[lunar ermine]

The spy doesn't register as "good to talk to," but the HP gets pointed to the Spy anyways because ST is trying to indicate a minion that is lying. Good team takes it as a sign that this is a player with good information. Game ends with 3 evils alive.

[analog ibex]

the pitfalls of expecting HP to be "learn good players" lol

[tepid gust]

The pitfalls of playing with High Priestess

[golden relic]

forgot to get the grim but played a game that ended d1 because the shugenja was right next to the pukka

[tame hazel]

such is the nature of shugenja

[lunar ermine]

Pukka didn't hit neighbors N1? Skill issue

[golden relic]

REAL

[weak bluff]

I'm running Miss Register on a forum if anybody wants to spectate or play ^_^ https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/botf-xxxv-her-royal-highness-register-0-15/11896/3

We'll have a Discord server for specs, LMK if you wabt in

[tame hazel]

ooo this is SO cool

[tame hazel]

magician ability on the lunatic token jumpscare

[weak bluff]

LOLwhoops lemme fix

TY for spotting that

[tame hazel]

also im not on FoL but if I could join the spec discord that'd be amazing!!

[tame hazel]

also in the malfunction section: math and lunatic are jinxed, and spy/recluse can cause misinfo which ticks the math

[weak bluff]

The malfunctioning section isn't about misregistration or the Mathematician it's about drunkenness/poisoning

It's a weirdly-worded section, I inherited it from the last person who ran BotF, this post is passed down like an heirloom. Lemme clarify it a bit

[urban gyro]

Ran Miss Register

Good found the evil team and almost Al-Sahir won twice, but lost to the Goblin

[queen perch]

...why is there a good pukka

oh lunatic

i cant read

[midnight grove]

Twinning

[tame hazel]

pure maxxology

[queen perch]

…just realized my “i can’t read” moment came 10 minutes after mocking you for the same thing

[urban gyro]

This game also showed that Knoght and Al-Sahir are interesting here

Good can absolutely use those to solve Goblin. But if they don’t use them well, they can end up in rather tricky positions

[golden relic]

my favorite bag of this i ever did was giving the drunk knight true info (one of which being their neighbor) and putting a virgin in as knight as the only YSK

knight failed to proc virgin and town spent the a solid few days tunneling on the knight pings and then once they were all dead, i think they sussed the virgin

most devastating drunk with true info i’ve ever seen

[golden relic]

played a game of this, ended D2 with a goblin win but funny moments:

• recluse claimed po, marionetted the UT,
• recluse told the UT to claim recluse so that the real recluse could marionette the politician
• the politician, being a silly politician boy, told the demon they were their marionette
• the real demon told the real mario (who saw shug) they were the mario (also begged them to claim soldier since the shugenja infompointed toward the lleech host)
• the goblin told the math they were the mario, which the math genuinely believed in the grim reveal until the game result was announced

i gave the empath true info btw

also oh god i had to run this on mobile and it was absolute hell

[tame hazel]

holy shit i love pixlate more than I love air

[analog ibex]

im goated idk what to say

[golden relic]

it has come to my attention that this script is just

incredibly good sided

like i love the vibes of this script

but i just cant seem to see evil ever win aside from goblin wins or lleech host 50/50s on f3