Town Of Terror

[drowsy ravine]

What roles cause the most problems?

Traitor and Zombie?

[north plover]

No no Minion

Well yes traitor and zombie

Well yes traitor

But that can be avoided

by demon not nomming minions

but mainly Minion

it does literally nothing unless a demon can act on their info

[drowsy ravine]

For Minion the demon learns either (both of these people are the Minion) in 1 minion games or (this is the Minion and both of these people are minions) in 2 minion games

[north plover]

The minion Minion

[drowsy ravine]

It does force Glitch to claim Outsider though

Which can be a tell, I think

I don't know 🤷

[north plover]

yeah still PG dosent work rlly

[drowsy ravine]

I felt like this may be too strong for good tho

[north plover]

yeah but im saying dont have a PG

dosent rlly work with the minions

Dont have magician or PG

[drowsy ravine]

Mh

I'll need to think about it

(and ask Moll lol)

[turbid pumice]

me reading this, but not awake enough to get context at all

[drowsy ravine]

Mostly just discussion about the Glitch in general

[drowsy ravine]

Trying to think if there are any other large changes I need to make to this homebrew before I just move on

realistically the only changes would be to minion, glitch, or zombie

maybe C4 too

https://www.bloodstar.xyz/p/BluweKabluwe/TOT2/almanac.html#c4_tot2

[drowsy ravine]

Jugg alternative?:

Each night*, choose a player: they die. If the Jester is dead, choose two players. If 5 or more players live, the first time you die, you don't. [+The Jester]

[drowsy ravine]

Glitch alternate wording?:
The Demon thinks you are a Minion. Minions do not know the Demon. If you die, the Demon learns who you are.

(it's effectively the same)

[drowsy ravine]

hm

[turbid pumice]

Hmm indeed

[drowsy ravine]

Marker drunk from night to dusk possible change

[drowsy ravine]

might just remove if you die part

[drowsy ravine]

Jugg alternative?:
Each night*, choose a player: they die. If the Jester is dead, choose two players. If 5 or more players live, the first time you die, you don't. [+The Jester]

Really considering this

but like not sure

hm

Each night*, choose a player: they die. If an Outsider dies tonight, you may choose an additional player. If 5 or more players live, the first time you die, you don't. [+1 Outsider]

[drowsy ravine]

also less important

new gunslinger flavor:

Y'all might reckon I'd help those in the glint of my guns barrel, but 'til I'm long dead, ain't no way I'm risking my neck for y'all.

[turbid pumice]

Do the changes you want, I'm not going to advocate for ir

[drowsy ravine]

I think it may be wording bugging me more than ability

since current wording doesn't imply you could kill 4 outsiders in one night

(I mean it kind of does but could be clearer)

[turbid pumice]

Each night*, choose a player: they die. When an Outsider dies choose an additional player. If 5 or more players live, the first time you die, you don't. [+1 Outsider]

[drowsy ravine]

would that count daytime deaths?

[turbid pumice]

id say so

[drowsy ravine]

Jugg options I've considered:

• If the Jester died, choose 2 players. [+The Jester]
• For each Outsider that dies tonight, you may choose again.
• If an Outsider dies tonight, you may choose again.
• When an Outsider dies choose an additional player.
• If an Outsider died today, choose 2 players tonight

[drowsy ravine]

Option 5 is meh since the town won't commonly exe them

4 is stronger 3

3 can win game from 7 if 4 outsiders live

2 is same as 3, just different wording

1 is completely different

[drowsy ravine]

Tbh might change it to only be able to max double kill if an outsider died

Though goes against the idea of jugg destroying everything, it's more balanced most likely.

Like

If an outsider dies, pick twice

If an Outsider died, choose 2 players tonight.

(applies to day and night outsider deaths)

(applies to obsessions death killing obsessed)

(does not apply to vigi/barnacle since after jugg in night order?)

[drowsy ravine]

#rules-discussion message

[drowsy ravine]

@queen falcon Out of these three do you have any strong thoughts?

• If an Outsider dies tonight, you may choose again. (original)
• If the Jester died, choose 2 players. [+The Jester]
• If an Outsider died today or tonight, choose 2 players

[queen falcon]

Hmm

[drowsy ravine]

Main problem with current is 2 living outsiders at 5 is an auto good loss

(if jugg still has if you die you don't)

[queen falcon]

The first can be very strong, potential game ending with 7 alive as you pointed out
The second feels very weak? Harlequin can kill twice when an evil dies multiple times, that can kill twice once per game when a specific outsider dies
The third is the most balanced I'd say

[drowsy ravine]

Second is infinite nights

As long as jest is dead

[queen falcon]

OHHH

Okay that is quite cool

[drowsy ravine]

• If the Jester died, choose 2 players. [+The Jester]
• If an Outsider died today or tonight, choose 2 players

I think I do want to change it

Since jugg has bugged me a while

[queen falcon]

I think the jester one is more unique to harlequin

[drowsy ravine]

Only fear is it makes jester less likely to be exed

Though tbh it isn't really ever exed

[queen falcon]

Makes it the perfect bluff doesn't it

[drowsy ravine]

Tru

It's effectively a saint lol

[queen falcon]

"Don't execute me! Someone turns evil and a potential juggernaut can kill twice now!"

[drowsy ravine]

It makes it a great minion bluff actually

For assassin and traitor

[queen falcon]

Yeah, because it registers as one

[drowsy ravine]

and uh, minion lol

[queen falcon]

XD

[drowsy ravine]

Can see self as jest while jest in play

[queen falcon]

XD

Yep

Didn't you do that beforeM

?*

When minion still added 2

[drowsy ravine]

Once had 2 neutrals, 1 being neutral minion, since otherwise neutral ping wouldn't go out

[queen falcon]

I believe I was assassin in that?

[drowsy ravine]

Ye, and real neutral decided self exe was right move

(And it wasn't harle game so like, yep)

[queen falcon]

Yeah

Almost won😭

I can't believe I'm 1-3 on my TOT win-loss ratio rn🥲

[drowsy ravine]

Tbh Infected still prob needs most work

Like it's really strong

[queen falcon]

Yeah

Well, objectively

You turn outsiders, who help you, into good zombies but you leave the good info roles alive

And the zombie poison is traceable,l

[drowsy ravine]

Fair yeah

[drowsy ravine]

JUGGERNAUT
Each night*, choose a player: they die. If the Jester died, choose 2 players. If 5 or more players live, the first time you die, you don't. [+The Jester]

I think this looks fine 🤷

[drowsy ravine]

True but Innocent, Phoenix, and Arsonist wanna die prob

(phoenix less so)

Though tbf innocent will know it's infected so them less so too

And townies can bluff outsider I guess

Infected is the only demon I see a jest being exed tactically tbh lol

Also Zombies might revive

Alright infected I guess is fine as is for now

I will be taking notes every time I run it though

Lol

Did you ever attempt running this?

Just note a fair amount of changes have been made for the sake of balance lol

[drowsy ravine]

@turbid pumice If you were to nerf assassin how would you do it?

I've heard make it fearmonger-like, make it learn target character not name, make it tell the target they're target etc.

Don't wanna make bodyguard redundant though

[rugged aurora]

T O T

Town
Of
Terror

[random spade]

the necrobump 😫

[rugged aurora]

T O T

Town
Of
Terror

[blazing dawn]

I love the cheater

[rugged aurora]

And I kinda hate it.

Lost two games with the FKING cheater on board

1)Underling
2) Repreiver

[blazing dawn]

Underling looks very powerful

Same with reprieved

Because you can’t kill if you are the demon and can’t execute the reprieved

[turbid pumice]

Death are arbitrary tho?

[turbid pumice]

Only if you get a no

[rugged aurora]

[drowsy ravine]

It was skill issue

[queen falcon]

Cheater is very hard to counter indeed but it's really up to the ST if it makes for an unsolvable game or not

The hard thing about cheater is that everyone is a demon candidate purely because the cheater could've caused something to happen

[drowsy ravine]

I think assassin + cheater + detective was proabably a strong combo too

[queen falcon]

I think cheater drunking assassins counter was too strong basically since that was the only way to track where the assassins target went

[drowsy ravine]

I've made poisoning bodyguard an illegal cheat to stop me allowing it ever again (Because I suck /j)

[queen falcon]

Yeah no that was too strong😭

[drowsy ravine]

Especially given the script has 0 reasons to trust

no stewards, empaths, grandmas, dreamers
no nightwatch, pixie, washerwoman, or librarian

[rugged aurora]

😦

[rugged aurora]

Me: gets a ton of yes that Underling game.

Also me: Repreived the Demon and got abtrirary deaths.

((Yes this happened.))

[blazing dawn]

What website are you using to do this

[turbid pumice]

i believe canvas

[blazing dawn]

Ok 👍

[rugged aurora]

T O T

Town
Of
Terror

[drowsy ravine]

Thoughts on random thing:

• Repriever reprieves Quisling
• Survivalist dies
• Repriever dies and Quisling is sober
  should Quisling stay good since surv already died or turn evil since surv is dead?

(aka should it be a constant check)

[drowsy ravine]

All reminder tokens

[drowsy ravine]

Bodyguard Buff: You start knowing the character of the Assassins target. If the target changes, you learn how many steps from them to the newest target tonight. [+ The Assassin]

(no longer shall bg exist only to say there's no assassin in play)

also in theory makes bg more bluffable?

I think it does?

[turbid pumice]

think it makes it less so 😅

[drowsy ravine]

I mean it's less likely to be double claimed at least

[drowsy ravine]

I think I'm gonna leave quis as is, so it would stay good

evil doesn't need more

[drowsy ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1166624387542286366/1270575508882722837/Town_of_Terror_-_Character_Sheet.png?ex=66b43327&is=66b2e1a7&hm=220399a0fdc4835c5cab763fce3b84d37c0fd5dd4dc7bb06eb6c1c1c9fe46b6a&

(So there's a difference between copying image address and image, huh)

[rugged aurora]

#1273662693978537994

[drowsy ravine]

Zombie changed to poison both neighbors on first death

[rugged aurora]

TOWN OF TERRORIN

tettorin town the town TERRORIN town the TERRORIN

[drowsy ravine]

Current detective: "Only you can nominate & your vote counts twice. Executions fail if only good voted."

*role banshee

[pearl basalt]

Banshee (Townsfolk) - Experimental

If the Demon kills you, all players learn this. From now on, you may nominate twice per day and vote twice per nomination.

**Affects Setup: **False

[drowsy ravine]

"Only you can nominate, you may nominate twice per day and vote twice per nomination. Executions fail if only good voted."
could be better? idk though

@turbid pumice think this would be fun for detective?

[turbid pumice]

The exes fail looks confirmatory

But like that change otherwise

[drowsy ravine]

Yeah I did fear it being a bit too strong for good detective

[turbid pumice]

This becomes stronger

As you can confirm a lot of players

[drowsy ravine]

what options are there besides exes fail you think, or do you think it's okay

[drowsy ravine]

In theory makes evil detective weaker since them not using second nom is weird

which was one of the main reasons for the change

[drowsy ravine]

gonna change it to this for now, I think this is better than original even if good detective is OP

though if there's reason to nerf it I'll do it

maybe people survive execution if only good voted or something (though that just helps jugg and traitor)

[drowsy ravine]

just remembered jester and sk can misreg too it so I don't think it's too stronk

[turbid pumice]

That's just makes it rarer to happen, not weaker

[drowsy ravine]

do you think it's stronger than bishop?

[turbid pumice]

Definetly

[drowsy ravine]

TOT notes/to-do/feedback:

• 1 or 2 pieces of day 1 info?
• pie/gun buffs, let them choose two people per night. something savant like?
• cheater widow ping? Cheater knows who?
  - make jugg + traitor final 5 less devastating?

[drowsy ravine]

Pierrot: You start knowing if the Arsonist is in play? chosen players are sober and healthy?

Gunslinger: Outsiders you choose might die? You start knowing 1 Outsider? You start knowing 1 out-of-play character? You start knowing 1 player that is not the Demon? Learn non demon on guess

[drowsy ravine]

@rocky flax thoughts on these? ^

(these would be in additon to pie/guns original abilities)

[rocky flax]

I like the killing outsiders one since neutral would 100% benefit from this. Maybe change outsider to just neutral and do [+1 neutral] if it gets unbalanced

[rocky flax]

Already said that Pierrot feels like it should make people sober and healthy. If that’s too powerful maybe you can make something happen if Pierrot choses an evil player. Like Pierrot is drunked an evil player is chosen or smth

[drowsy ravine]

Well Neutral if they were playing for evil prob wouldn't benefit but- /j

I think I don't like the might, but I also think 100% killing chosen outsiders is OP, and I dislike the idea of +1 Neutral on a script that already has a lot of setup roles

so in summary I hate my own idea

[rocky flax]

lol. Don’t worry we’ll find something eventually

[drowsy ravine]

maybe

you start knowing the demon

hear me-

https://tenor.com/view/backhand-hoodwinked-hoodwinked2-hd-meme-gif-24300706

[drowsy ravine]

*role gunslinger

[pearl basalt]

Gunslinger (Traveler) - Trouble Brewing

Each day, after the 1st vote has been tallied, you may choose a player that voted: they die.

**Affects Setup: **False

[turbid pumice]

just say pierrot chosen player is safe from evils

its a weaker monk anyways

[drowsy ravine]

Don't wanna do that mostly since it would move assassin target

[drowsy ravine]

Pierrot: Each night*, choose a player (different to last night): they are sober, healthy and can't die tonight.

Gunslinger: Each night*, choose a player (not yourself): if they die tonight, the next time you die, you don't. You start knowing 1 player that is not the Demon.

[turbid pumice]

Nope

[cedar bloom]

Sorry for the late reply, I didn't play BOTC for a year, and didn't check BOTC discord at all. The last TOT game I played was a year ago too. Most players had fun playing it but some players thought it was a little messy. I've read all changes since then, and I think most changes are great! Thanks for making this script.

[outer plank]

Gave +1 Thanks to @drowsy ravine (current: #242 - 148)

[pearl basalt]

Scarlet Woman (Minion) - Trouble Brewing

If there are 5 or more players alive & the Demon dies, you become the Demon. (Travellers don't count)

**Affects Setup: **False

[pearl basalt]

Mayor (Townsfolk) - Trouble Brewing

If only 3 players live & no execution occurs, your team wins. If you die at night, another player might die instead.

**Affects Setup: **False

[drowsy ravine]

Neutral Update
You are evil, you become good if you lose this ability before the final day. The Demon knows who you are and all players learn you are in play.

[pearl basalt]

Sage (Townsfolk) - Sects & Violets

If the Demon kills you, you learn that it is 1 of 2 players.

**Affects Setup: **False

[drowsy ravine]

You are evil, you become good if you lose this ability before the final day. If the Demon kills you, another player might die instead?

[drowsy ravine]

I may need to remove Traitors -1 outsider

[drowsy ravine]

Each night*, slap a player: they die. If an evil player died or was executed today you slap twice. Players who choose you target themselves.
to
Each night*, slap a player: they die. If an evil player was executed or died today you slap twice. Players who choose you target themselves.

[pearl basalt]

Ferryman

On the final day, all dead players regain their vote token.

[turbid pumice]

Maybe just say: you become evil tonight

Become good tonight

I mean

[drowsy ravine]

You are evil, you become good tonight if you lose this ability.

?

I think that still loses if exed in final 4 though

[turbid pumice]

True

But it follows the norm of clocktower wordings

And you can't really have 2 final days

[drowsy ravine]

Well I based this on ferryman wording which can in theory

since all that counts as a final day is if the game ends the following night

and Neutral would be able to check for that during the night, unlike Ferryman

so I think it would work out alright

[rugged aurora]

ToT

[drowsy ravine]

changing detective to only have 1 vote

(minuscule nerf to good detective)

[drowsy ravine]

Potential changes?:

• Instead of people learning Neutral: "If the Demon kills you, another player might die instead"
• Some Marker change? learn alignment majority of marks? trigger marks anytime?
• Make Traitor more usable/fun?
• Cheater more detectable?
• Surv learns quisling in play?
• Jester makes outsiders instead of evils?

[rugged aurora]

Terrorin townin

[turbid pumice]

Surv learning quisling in play probably makes quisling way less of an outsider

Since its a 2 way confirmation chain

[drowsy ravine]

true

[drowsy ravine]

oh also which team won?

(and what demon was it)

[cedar bloom]

Tried all demons once each, mabye once more with juggernaut? (I'm not sure of my memory) Most of the times good won, but Juggernaut won once and harley Quinn won once.

[drowsy ravine]

Oh thats interesting

On text there's been like 7 evil wins 1 good win

[drowsy ravine]

Also if you ever are willing, would love feedback on any changes you think could be made. Whether a role is too strong/weak or too unfun.

(or if a role is too hard to st)

[drowsy ravine]

hmm, would this version of Neutral would be better than all players and demon learn you're in play?: "If the Demon kills you, another player might die instead"
This improves the hiddenness of +1 outsider evils at base 0 outsiders and it makes Minion able to see self as outsider without a Neutral in play

Which are two big benifits

I think

It's better overall

even if town have less of a grasp on the outsider count

Potential changes?:

• Make Traitor more usable/fun?
• Some Marker change? learn alignment majority of marks? trigger marks anytime?
• Cheater more detectable?
• Surv learns quisling in play?
• Jester makes outsiders instead of evils?

[drowsy ravine]

Current Traitor: If you publicly claim to be the Traitor when nominated, your nominator dies. If executed, you don't die.

Current Marker: Each night, choose a player not chosen before (not yourself): they are marked. Marked players become drunk the night after you die until dusk.

Current Cheater: Can cheat if the Storyteller allows it. If accused of cheating before nominations by a living good player, you die. Wrong accusations might execute accusers regardless if in play.

Current Quisling: When the Survivalist dies you turn evil, even if dead. [+ The Survivalist]

Current Survivalist: Each night*, choose a living player (different to last night): players who target them target you & vice versa. Chosen evil players are safe from the Demon tonight.

Current Jester: If you die by execution, a good player turns evil tonight. You might register as evil & as a Minion.

[drowsy ravine]

Random Thought Traitor?: If you publicly claim to be the Traitor when nominated, your nominator dies tonight. If executed, you don't die.

@rocky flax any thoughts on a Traitor that kills at night? ^

Stronger in a lot of ways (especially bluff wise) but is fundamentally weaker against Pierrot and Gunslinger

[rocky flax]

That’s actually really good. Maybe also make it so that the traitor can decide whether or not they kill

[rocky flax]

Maybe make traitor kills something like assassin

[drowsy ravine]

interesting idea

[drowsy ravine]

assassin won't help gunslinger wise lol

so prob would keep it a normal kill

[rocky flax]

Well that’s why they can decide if they kill or not

Also helps bluffing jugg

[drowsy ravine]

Random Thought Traitor 2.0?: If you publicly claim to be the Traitor when nominated: that night, you may choose if your nominator dies. If executed, you don't die.

[drowsy ravine]

30% Assassin 50% Psychopath 20% Goblin

[drowsy ravine]

When nominated: that night, you may choose if your nominator dies. If executed, you don't die.

is another option, maybe too strong comparably

[drowsy ravine]

though this is countered by pierrot, gunslinger, vigilante, repriever, even looter

original traitor is at least always guaranteed the kill

not sure how either of these new traitors should interact with survivalist either

[rocky flax]

This one

[drowsy ravine]

hypothetically how would this work if nommed by a harlequin or survivalist?

[rocky flax]

Change survivalist to, if chosen by a demon. That way it also becomes a sudo info role

(Thou maybe weak)

[drowsy ravine]

I feel like that is less of an info role than the current

[rugged aurora]

Rorret fo nwot

[drowsy ravine]

weird thing about town of terror, live games are more balanced apparently:

• 8 text games, 1 good win
• 7 live games, 4 good wins

Infected lost in text
Harle, Jugg, Infected, Cheater lost in live

Jugg, Infected turned Cheater, Harle, Harle, Cheater, Harle, Jugg won in text
Harle, Jugg, Cheater turned Infected won in live

[drowsy ravine]

**Marker possible change?: **Each day, before nominations, you may publicly mark an unmarked player: from now on, they may vote twice per nomination.

@wet sage thoughts on this? It's completely different.

[wet sage]

Ehhhh

I think that could get to be too strong

[drowsy ravine]

well if its exiled/killed the double votes go away

though I guess you mean good Marker not evil Marker

[drowsy ravine]

Marker (Traveler): Each day, before nominations, you may publicly choose a player (not yourself): from now on, they may vote twice per nomination.

[drowsy ravine]

Potential changes?:

• Make Traitor more usable/fun?
• Cheater widow ping?
  -# Surv learns quisling in play?
  -# Jester makes outsiders instead of evils?

[rugged aurora]

Town of terror-in

[drowsy ravine]

I think Cheater definitely needs more of a limit or something

it's hard to determine what the upper limit should be though

I mean an option is making demons louder

or like

making harle/cheater louder

leaving inf and jugg as is

making harle louder is in my mind since I feel it's on average stronger than juggernaut?

Harlequin
Each night*, slap a player: they die. If an evil player was executed or died today you slap twice. Players who choose you target themselves.

Juggernaut
Each night*, choose a player: they die. If the Jester is dead, choose 2 players. If 6 or more players live, the first time you die, you don't. [+The Jester]

(btw the "loudness" I considered is killed players learn they're "slapped")

[vale geyser]

Slapped?

[drowsy ravine]

but that would be way too loud

[drowsy ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/backhand-hoodwinked-hoodwinked2-hd-meme-gif-24300706

[vale geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/willslapya-gif-25334529

[drowsy ravine]

I guess this could work if I make the Traitors night order early in the night

Other Nights

Cheater
Jester
Quisling
Renegade*
Survivalist*
Pierrot
Gunslinger
Traitor <---
Phoenix
Zombie
Juggernaut
Infected
Harlequin
Obsessed
Vigilante
Barnacle
Minion
Bodyguard
Looter
Serial-Killer
Underling
Romantic
Glitch
Arsonist
Innocent
Bees```

Renegade should prob be before survivalist since as is surv can confirm itself (even though swapping renegade pick is funny)

[drowsy ravine]

Traitor: If you publicly claim to be the Traitor when nominated, your nominator dies tonight. If executed, you don't die.

This has some interesting interactions with Phoenix and Zombie

since they would die and revive same night and nobody would know

Potential changes?:

• Cheater widow ping?
• Surv learns quisling in play?
• Jester makes outsiders instead of evils?

[drowsy ravine]

Jester: If you die by execution, a good player turns evil tonight. You might register as evil & as a Minion.
Quisling: When the Survivalist dies you turn evil, even if dead. [+ The Survivalist]
Cheater: Can cheat if the Storyteller allows it. If accused of cheating before nominations by a living good player, you die. Wrong accusations might execute accusers regardless if in play.

Potential Changes
Jester 2.0: If you die by execution, an alive good player becomes an Outsider. You might register as evil & as a Minion.
Quisling 2.0: When the Survivalist dies you turn evil, even if dead. The Survivalist knows a Quisling is in play. [+ The Survivalist] (makes quisling unbluffable)
Cheater 2.0: Can cheat if the Storyteller allows it. 1 good player knows a Cheater is in play. If accused of cheating before nominations by a living good player, you die. Wrong accusations might execute accusers regardless if in play.
Survivalist 2.0: Each night, choose 2 living players: abilities that target one, target the other instead. The demon cannot die this way.
Harlequin 2.0: nerfed or something

Wondering if anyone dislikes any of these potential changes (note I'm still not convinced on changing any of them)

[rugged aurora]

@drowsy ravine when are u doing another ToT?

Tbh I'm really excited for another Game of Town of Terror..

Been a Rpreiver and a Underling so far.m

[rugged aurora]

TpT!!!

[drowsy ravine]

Script Sheets kindly provided by @outer jacinth

[obtuse lichen]

This looks really good.

[rugged aurora]

#1316516826557186119

[drowsy ravine]

Randomat
Each player gets a random weapon from the Storyteller, allowing them to use a different ability once. [+ The NPC]

Cheater
Can cheat if the Storyteller allows it. If accused of cheating before nominations by a living good player, you die. Wrong accusations might execute accusers regardless if in play.

NPC
Each player can consult the Storyteller for a hint about the most recent cheat once. If no cheats occurred, the hints are arbitrary.

Wizard
Once per game, choose to make a wish. If granted, it might have a price & leave a clue as to its nature.

@turbid pumice do you think there's any wording changes I could make between wizard and these?

[wet sage]

if you want to ig

instead of saying hint

you could say like

"each player can consult the storyteller to learn a clue about the most recent cheat one. if no cheats occurec, the clues are arbitrary"

[drowsy ravine]

tru

tho hint is prob a more accurate word

since hints are told while clues are just found

Randomat
Each player gets an item allowing them to use a different ability once. It might have a price & leave a clue to its nature.

or something

idk

@rocky flax thoughts on this randomat?

[rocky flax]

Sounds like my trivia in a way

[drowsy ravine]

I mean it's literally wizard

except the wish is predetermined

[rocky flax]

Yeah. You should add a randomat item that’s literally just my trivia

[drowsy ravine]

that sounds more like an epic moderation

Cheater
Can cheat if the Storyteller allows it. If accused of cheating before nominations by a living good player, you die. Wrong accusations might execute accusers regardless if in play.
NPC
Each player can consult the Storyteller for a hint about the most recent cheat once. If no cheats occurred, the hints are arbitrary.
Wizard
Once per game, choose to make a wish. If granted, it might have a price & leave a clue as to its nature.
Atheist
The Storyteller can break the game rules & if executed, good wins, even if you are dead. [No evil characters]

[rugged aurora]

[rugged aurora]

**Hello, you may be wondering why I'm here.

After some time of thoughts,I think it's about the correct moment I gave my temporary goodbye to Botc.

Well,I won't be gone for long that is, I have just to do some side quest regarding my personalized life and my studies, but I won't be going away without some things.

[ Removed Ben B Gratitude bc I don't want to ping him again. ]

@drowsy ravine , I enjoyed your homebrew script, though I definetly hate the cheater it does have a unique concept I enjoy.

And to you,the community who became a part of my journey, thank you.

That's times up for my speech, I guess until we see again

• I will be leaving tommorow GMT+8 , I'll be back by 02/??/25..I hope you won't miss me too long ❤️**

[drowsy ravine]

Randomat: Each player gets an item allowing them to use a different ability once. It might have a price & leave a clue to its nature. [+ The NPC]

Survivalist: Each night*, choose a living player (different to last night): abilities that target them target you & vice versa. The demon cannot die this way.

Serial-Killer: Each night, choose a player: learn on a scale of 1 to 3 how exciting their execution would be. You might register as evil & as a Demon.

Cheater: Your wishes may be granted. If a living good player publicly guesses you before nominations, you die. Wrong guesses might execute accusers regardless if in play.

Infected: Each night*, choose a player: they die. Chosen Outsiders revive as Zombies. Evil wins if at least half the living players are Zombies or Infected. [+1 Outsider]

Broken: If the Demon chooses not to act, they die, an evil player becomes the new Demon, and a good player knows.

[drowsy ravine]

Arsonist: If you die at night, you are woken to choose a player: you learn their alignment. A chosen Minion has no ability.

[drowsy ravine]

also

Zombie: When you die, your Townsfolk neighbors are poisoned from now on and you might revive at the start of the night.
A Zombie after reviving is a new instance of their ability, so their Townsfolk neighbors would no longer be poisoned.

Phoenix: If you die, you revive at the start of the night once. Your Townsfolk neighbors are sober and healthy.
Unlike most revival based abilities, a Phoenix reviving is not a new instance of their ability, so they do not regain their once per game revival after reviving.

I'ma be real this is mega stupid but I don't know how to word these things to make sense lmao

[turbid pumice]

The 1st time you die, you revive tomorrow night. Your Townsfolk neighbours are sober and healthy.

[drowsy ravine]

actually got an idea

If you die, you revive at night & are then poisoned. Your Townsfolk neighbors are sober and healthy.

taking a part of snakecharmer

changing "you revive at the start of the night" to "you revive at night" also seemed good?

[drowsy ravine]

When you die, your Townsfolk neighbors are poisoned from now on and you might revive at the start of the night.

When you die, your Townsfolk neighbors are poisoned and you might revive at night.

[turbid pumice]

Think you should specify next night

[drowsy ravine]

fair it could be seen as any night

[turbid pumice]

I was moreso thinking it implies that it receives the same night as it died

[drowsy ravine]

Each night*, if dead, you revive & then become drunk. Your Townsfolk neighbors are sober and healthy.
Each night*, if dead, you might revive. While dead, your Townsfolk neighbors are poisoned.

[drowsy ravine]

If you die, you revive at night & are then drunk. Your Townsfolk neighbors are sober and healthy.
When you die, your Townsfolk neighbors are poisoned and you might revive at night.

[drowsy ravine]

If you die, you revive at the start of the night once. Your Townsfolk neighbors are sober and healthy.
When you die, your Townsfolk neighbors are poisoned from now on and you might revive at the start of the night.

[rugged aurora]

ToT 👁️

[drowsy ravine]

Json and Almanac up here

[rugged aurora]

Town or Terror

If I'm correct I have been in

• Roll me a Randomat
• Holmes is were the hat is
• not so neutral

Idk

I forgor

[rugged aurora]

I made a test grim.

[drowsy ravine]

Script images provided by Chum!

[rugged aurora]

WOAH 👀

[rocky flax]

I figured out something to help with the cheater wording!!!

simply put, if "accused" you die. etc, etc.
then have a fabled that's always in play or something likewise that explain that you may die if you accuse someone unless they're cheater

that way you don't have to explain what accusing does. And you don't have to specify that it's regardless if in play

[drowsy ravine]

Your wishes may be granted. If a living good player publicly guesses you before nominations, you die. Wrong guesses might execute accusers regardless if in play.

Your wishes may be granted. If a living good player publicly guesses you (once per player) you die, wrong accusations might have a cost.

Your wishes may be granted. If accused of cheating, you die.

did you mean this short ^ or slightly longer

[rocky flax]

now you can also add a cheater ping

[rocky flax]

I meant that last one yes

Your wishes may be granted. If accused of cheating, you die. A good player knows you're in play

[drowsy ravine]

Random thought I had for quisling was adding "the first time you die, you don't." to it

not sure about it

but seemed like it'd be interesting

and for looter considered

"Each night*, choose a player: if dead, gain their ability until dusk. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk tonight."

but like so many interactions there seem crazy

also not sure how looter would work with night order then

could change looter to a once per game too

idk

looting tf is good, outsiders or minions is bad

tho minions is still prob better than outsiders

maybe not zombie

idk

[drowsy ravine]

one thing to watch out for is pierrot and phoenix can sober looter which could lead to really bad situations

so definitely need to give it more thought

what do I want Looter to do

I want looter to be able to confirm the dead and be a second chance for info roles that die early

I want it to not prolong outsider abilities and probably gain misinfo while checking them or gain misinfo checking evils?

can't be a cannibal as multiple townsfolk on script sober

it shouldn't be blatantly weaker than other townsfolk so probably not a opg maybe

shouldn't be able to split Minion from outsider

[drowsy ravine]

Each night*, choose a player: if dead since last night, you have their ability. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk until tomorrow night
Each night*, choose a dead player: if a Townsfolk, learn & gain their ability until dusk. Otherwise, you are poisoned until dusk.
Each night*, choose a player: if dead, gain their ability until dusk. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk tonight.```

A dead player you chose last night might be regurgitated. If your last choice was no-one, choose 3 players tonight. (1 more day)

[turbid pumice]

the last one looks quite weak for a demon

[drowsy ravine]

lol

[turbid pumice]

(compared to shabaloth, its even louder & its less kills per night)

[drowsy ravine]

Each night*, choose a player: if dead since last night, gain their ability for 1 night & 1 day. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk for 1 night & 1 day.
Each night*, choose a player: if dead, gain their ability and lose any previously gained abilities. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk tonight.
Each night*, choose a player: if dead, learn their character or gain their ability until a player dies. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk tonight.
Each night*, choose a player: if dead since last night, you have their ability. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk tonight.
Each night*, choose a player: if dead, gain their ability. If your last choice was an Outsider, you are drunk.
Once per game, at night*, choose a dead player: you gain their ability. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk.

[drowsy ravine]

until dusk won't work with surv gunslinger pierrot etc

until tomorrow night is just dusk

[turbid pumice]

Each night*, choose a player: if they die until dusk, gain their ability until dusk the following day. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk until dusk.

[rocky flax]

🫃

@drowsy ravine have you updated the Json since last time or is it the same?

[rugged aurora]

Town (terror)

[rugged aurora]

HELP—

[drowsy ravine]

same

[drowsy ravine]

i just had a scuffed idea for looter rework that would add "you may gain part of their (looted player's) ability"

just a part of things, idk

[echo harness]

me when I gain the choose three players part of underling but not the learn if any are a minion part

[drowsy ravine]

Roles to Fix
Looter
Phoenix - living neighbors
Gunslinger
Quisling
Cheater
Infected
Zombie
NPC
Randomat

[rugged aurora]

yey

finally randomat getting a overhaul

[drowsy ravine]

Ah if alex wants it fixed I guess it's fine as it is

[rugged aurora]

NOOO

Randomat is just making a game unsolvable

[rugged aurora]

#Bancheaters

/jk

[echo harness]

Well yeah, which kinda feels like the point?

Like its like going into an oops all wizards expecting that to be solvable

[rugged aurora]

at home: /j

[echo harness]

Imo nothing is inherently wrong with randomat. It just should probably decided whether its a randomat game before recruiting and is made clear that this game isn't going to be solvable if its a randomat game

[turbid pumice]

Also just putting quite a bit of trust on the st to not make anything too ludicrous

[rugged aurora]

Forgot when this was but i know for a fact this was OLD OLD

[rugged aurora]

most reached 100+...

except Underling,Vigilante,Quisling,Assassin.Barnacle.Detective

[drowsy ravine]

Bodyguard is gma, Underling is exorcist, SK is chambermaid, Pierrot is innkeep, Looter is professor, Gunslinger is fool, Survivalist is gambler, Vigi is gossip, Repriever is courtier, Phoenix is tea lady, Innocent is sailor, Arsonist is minstrel, Glitch is pacifist
Obsessed is tinker, Neutral is lunatic, Quisling is goon, Jester is moonchild
Minion is godfather, Assassin is assassin, Zombie is mastermind, Traitor is da
Harlequin is po, Juggernaut is shab, Infected is puuka, Cheater is zombuul

[drowsy ravine]

maybe once per game choose to gain their ability

meh idk

[drowsy ravine]

Character Counts: (162 characters is the longest that fits on a token. No official character is over 127.)
Bodyguard: 162
Underling: 84
Serial-Killer: 135
Pierrot: 102
Looter: 110
Gunslinger: 149
Survivalist: 145
Vigilante: 88
Repriever: 117
Phoenix: 108
Innocent: 106
Arsonist: 113
Glitch: 107
Obsessed: 106
Neutral: 134
Quisling: 60
Jester: 100
Minion: 117
Assassin: 85
Zombie: 111
Traitor: 112
Harlequin: 140
Juggernaut: 156
Infected: 160
Cheater: 161
Romantic: 87
Barnacle: 84
Renegade: 124
Marker: 127
Detective: 90
Moderator: 124
C4: 155
Bees: 131
Broken: 105
Randomat: 135
NPC: 132

Roles to "Fix"
Bodyguard - a comma
Phoenix - living neighbors
Quisling - not while dead
Infected - outnumber the living, zombies first, and before jugg
Vigilante - it's missing the art of gossip or gambler? If you would kill the Demon, a Minion might die instead?
Looter - Cannibal?
Gunslinger
Underling
Cheater
NPC - pick a character and learn a hint about what it has done, if out of play arbitrary?
Randomat

[rugged aurora]

Random at is fine at the moment.

NPC I think is only useful if cheater is in-play, otherwise it's just a painful process of giving arbitrary info that doesn't even exist.

Cheater is well.. (I guess)

[sour mason]

NPC is meant to give the good team some information on what the cheater is doing because otherwise it could be literally anything

It only affects cheater worlds

So it basically means “if cheater is in play, this is what they’re doing, if it’s not, ignore this”

[rugged aurora]

Fair point, move on I guess

[drowsy ravine]

I'm considering changing it to "a hint about recent events" but I'm not sure if that's too vague or useless.

and or too useful

it's almost like everyone is fisherman

accept they don't get advice they get, thing

though thing would reasonably be advice depending on what st considers a hint

"Beware nominations" is both a hint and advice

I mean I guess evil get it too

[drowsy ravine]

Vigilante - If you would kill the Demon, a Minion might die instead?

[drowsy ravine]

@echo harness if I changed Looter from what it is to:

opg pick a player, if dead swap roles with them. You become drunk if you are no longer townsfolk.

do you think that would break things and make the script worse or make the script better

Current

[echo harness]

I’m quite tired and not fully thinking straight but I do think probably worse but funnier

[drowsy ravine]

dam ok

[echo harness]

Like iirc tot really needs reasons to exe d1 past regular clocktower reasons and this is getting rid of one

[drowsy ravine]

aye fair

Each night*, choose a player; if dead, learn their character or gain their ability until dusk. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk tonight.

could be fun

[drowsy ravine]

Each night*, choose a dead player: you learn their character or gain their ability until dusk. If you chose an Outsider, you are drunk tonight.

[drowsy ravine]

sure

you know what

yeah I'll change it

it just gives st more options

some bad options sure

but that's fineee

the good ones are worth

and st can always just run it like the old one

@jade gate donno if you would be interested in this thread at all but this has like the whole history of my script lol

[jade gate]

Oooo thank u!! I'm excited to read into it :0

[outer plank]

Gave +1 Thanks to @drowsy ravine (current: #216 - 259)

[rocky flax]

that kinda doesn't work wording wise I think. Since the role itself changes and in it's own ability will never really become an outsider. Maybe having the ability say

OPG pick a player, if dead you swap roles. If that player is an outsider you're drunk.

I think it's much better than the previous itteration tho

it might be a bit too powerful tho

maybe add that chosen evilplayers turn you into the drunk (TB)

OPG at night, chose a player. If dead and a townsfolk you swap characters. Otherwise you become The drunk

might be weird adding a literal drunk tho in a homebrew

maybe simply make the looter "mad" and learn and start acting like a different role

[drowsy ravine]

aye that's better wording,

though for now running with this

just giving it a test drive

[rocky flax]

Ngl it feels weird with both but it might work 🤷‍♂️

[rugged aurora]

Tbh I think it works fine now

I didn't have much issue with looter much when I got to play it(before it's updates)

[drowsy ravine]

NPC is only most recent cheat, but if the text was just changed to anything the cheater did would that be better?

[rocky flax]

I mean probably.

[rugged aurora]

Probably, yeah.

[drowsy ravine]

Each player can consult the Storyteller for a hint about a cheat once. If there are no cheats, the hints are arbitrary.

This wording is also free enough that if moderator or randomat allow someone to "cheat" st could also give hints on that

you could probably use this in boffin atheist if you wanted

idk

[drowsy ravine]

Script Images and Json From Klutzbanana
https://klutzbanana.com/api/public/scripts/ugb548je1e/Town Of Terror by Bluwe.json

[drowsy ravine]

Looter: You have the ability or learn the character of the recently killed player. If they are an Outsider, you are drunk until a new player dies.
Underling: should be forced to pick living players
Traitor: be able to choose to kill their nominator

[rocky flax]

what happens when underling survives f3?

also this is imagining they are forced to switch if one of their targets die

[turbid pumice]

thats how it would work based on chambermaid precedent

[turbid pumice]

they wouldn't wake

based on chambermaid i belive. Think thats how chambermaid works

[rocky flax]

ah

[drowsy ravine]

should prob slap a You are sober and healthy. on detective and marker

so repriever can't auto confirm itself

[turbid pumice]

Probs better to make repriever unable to reprieve traveller's

[drowsy ravine]

fair enough

[drowsy ravine]

Traitor: Each day, you may publicly choose a player: that night, choose if they die. You cannot die during the day.
Repriever: Once per game, during the day, publicly choose a player (not Travelers): they are drunk. Deaths are arbitrary if the Demon is drunk.

[drowsy ravine]

maybe looter should straight up be underling cannibal

*role under

[pearl basalt]

Undertaker (Townsfolk) - Trouble Brewing

Each night*, you learn which character died by execution today.

**Affects Setup: **False

[drowsy ravine]

*role cann

[pearl basalt]

Cannibal (Townsfolk) - Experimental

You have the ability of the recently killed executee. If they are evil, you are poisoned until a good player dies by execution.

**Affects Setup: **False

[drowsy ravine]

idk

infected and zombie could still use work

[drowsy ravine]

Looter: You have the ability or learn the character of the recently killed executee. If they are an Outsider, you are drunk until a new player dies by execution.

[drowsy ravine]

changed repriever and traitor, still not set on looter idea

[turbid pumice]

To this?

[drowsy ravine]

yes

traitor is now considerably stronger

though it still is the exact same strength as it is endgame

and fundamentally this should be a less powerful minion than psychopath

still hard countered by arsonist and repriever

I think it should be a positive change

maybe should have the same "before nominations" clause psycho has, but not sure if it needs it

[drowsy ravine]

I think I will make looter this (for now) since it's easier to run than looter looting every demon kill

it might be less useful than the current looter but

it's on par with cannibal ut so should be fine

[turbid pumice]

Definetly doesn't

[drowsy ravine]

@rocky flax since you're running this soonish any last thoughts

can't change it once you're using it

[rocky flax]

Traitor is interesting. Feels like a weirder psychopath now but tbh roshamboo is one of the weirder balancing choices so I might prefer this one traitor killing last I think makes it a decent trade off for total immunity.

I’m still unsure about quisling. It’s fine balancing vice but apart from the last game I think a quisling outs and is executed d1 very often. But idk how to fix that really, maybe a complete overhaul is needed lowkey but idk. Three outsiders fricking with turning people evil is maybe a bit much.

Maybe if quisling gave the demon the grim as a weird widow thingy? Could be interesting to look at

[drowsy ravine]

I likely will not change Quisling ever again

also just realized night order is wrong

https://klutzbanana.com/api/public/scripts/ugb548je1e/Town Of Terror by Bluwe.json

[rocky flax]

Mannn. Traitor being last in night order made sense tho. Since rn it’s basically just upgraded psychopath

Like it’s psycho if it never lost rosamboo

Actually survivalist and Pierrot could be an issue

Pierrot does simply say that they can’t die so traitor couldn’t do anything since it’s publicly picked

[drowsy ravine]

It would be something like "surv is poisoned if you're exed" if anything

but Minion should be the reason for quisling to not out and get itself exed d1

[drowsy ravine]

psycho auto wins in final 3, traitor does not

it's closer to equal to psycho

not stronger

[rocky flax]

With Pierrot it’s weaker if anything.

[drowsy ravine]

yeah but traitor can pick the same person 2 times in a row

surv/pierrot can't

so it at least has a work around

[rocky flax]

I guess we’ll try it then.

[turbid pumice]

That's fine if town has counters

But also helps with solvability

Being last

[rocky flax]

is this the latest version?

[drowsy ravine]

yeah

[drowsy ravine]

Possible role ideas:
Arsonist - Once per game, at night*, choose a player: you learn their alignment. A chosen Minion has no ability.
Quisling - When the Survivalist dies you turn evil. You might register as a Minion. [+ The Survivalist]
Vigilante - Once per game, at night*, choose a player: they die, if you chose a good player you die. Outsiders might register as evil to you.