secret thing

[warped urchin]

Pretty sure anyway

[lucid crag]

so how many tf outsider minions

[warped urchin]

Its like

9tf 3 outsiders 3 minions?

I dont really remember

[lucid crag]

Here's my attempt at one

[{"id":"_meta","author":"Bluwe","name":"123456"},"steward","knight","noble","dreamer","fortuneteller","towncrier","alsaahir","seamstress","juggler","ogre","recluse","zealot","spy","xaan","eviltwin","vortox","legion","lleech","butcher","beggar","deviant"]

[tough silo]

Yes

[tough silo]

Come onnnn

Scripts come to me

@fast anchor sorry for ping but i think you know ball

[fast anchor]

@tough silo here you go

[tough silo]

Thanks

[tough silo]

Thank uuuuuuuuu

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @fast anchor (current: #1 - 3385)

[supple dirge]

[6/2] Whats a niche interaction you like and wish was on more scripts?

[finite wigeon]

Princess / Alhad is so underrated

it actually gives the Princess some incentive to not publicly out

or for other good players to bluff Princess

[pallid sierra]

- - (we have atheist at home)

[barren sun]

Technically they can get any name other than the most helpful, but I'd rule one that just isn't helpful at all

This 2 together is funny too

[modern plume]

Is pretty overpowered, but completely fair in Teensy where there's only two Demons on script one of which is Vortox.

Knight information here just divides the town in half, one side potentially having the Vortox and other side potentially having the other demon

[uneven field]

it's the same in any script with a minion that can disrupt it

[uneven field]

the problem here is that these are two characters that don't appear on scripts

[azure narwhal]

[barren sun]

I mean don't put a Knight in a solo Vortox script, but I like the interaction if paired up with, say, Pukka, Lleech and Vigormortis

[low umbra]

I prefer 'exactly not the most helpful' since I think that otherwise a HP can often solo-solve for vortox and it has highly reversible information (ie, oftentimes would see evil players etc)

[low umbra]

The unfortunate thing is "if it is vortox, the demon is exactly one of two people" is incredibly powerful information that has no way of being de-confirmed, unless there's a drunk on script

[barren sun]

Nah, I'd send her to the Mayor N1, the alive Banshee N2, somebody with the wrong world N3, the Scarlet Woman with a bluff N4, etc

[low umbra]

I think seeing a banshee is oftentimes a useful character to see, depending on the demon type

[barren sun]

Yes, but usually not THE most helpful

[low umbra]

I literally sent a HP to the banshee n1

In the most recent game that I ST'ed

Which was also the same night that a Seamstress used their ability

My main focus when I think about sending HP to people (and my players know this) is I much prefer pointing the HP to people to do stuff with them in a social way, rather than 'the most powerful' mechanical information. I know this is technically not what the token says, but I think that it leads to more fun games and means that things like the FT with a yes on the demon doesn't get confirmed by the HP the same night (ie, resulting in super swingy games with confirmed information)

[barren sun]

I despise and completely advocate against sending High Priestess only ever to good layers with correct information
But I must admit sometimes, that's just the best conversation they will have day 1

[fallow rapids]

or

[fast anchor]

really? I think having the two on the same script tends to be pretty unfun since a Butler with a Zealot master is just a blank token

would love to hear your thoughts

[fallow rapids]

no i think it’s terrible on paper

i only talk about it here because i had to settle with it for one of my scripts due to no other good options, and it spawned an ongoing joke in my server

[fast anchor]

icic

[fallow rapids]

either way, it’s not like, terrible

it’s just not good from a design perspective

the butlers have fun though

[barren sun]

I think we all agree on "Each night, choose a player (not yourself). You vote if, and only if, they are voting.

[fallow rapids]

yeah i’m the butler
✋🫳✋🫳✋🫳✋🫳✋🫳✋🫳✋🫳✋🫳✋🫳✋

the bluffing :

ig Xaan is on the script so it’s not all bad

i’d like to see some too

or

[warped urchin]

Your they are voting?

[low umbra]

I like / on a script with relatively low execution survival. I've recently been running a script with the two and fool and almost every time I do a paci save, town believes it to be that way correctly and I'm yet to see a DA protect be interpreted as a paci save (other than when paci was a bluff)

I think that people generally think pacifist is an outsider and I understand why, but I think that with good STing and effective scripting, it works really well, even with DAs in play

(ik its on BMR but I've come around to the interaction more recently, and I think that it's even better with less execution survival)

[fallow rapids]

they should read my article,

[crystal glacier]

Shuts down an annoying pattern of play involving executing Atheist claims immediately and therefore discouraging evil claiming Boomdandy. The first and only time I've bothered to try to fake being Atheist was with a Boomdandy on script.
Also, voting for the ST in a Boomdandy explosion (which may or may not require bootlegging) while repeatedly announcing that you're not the Boomdandy is amusing.

[low umbra]

May I read? Idk if I've read it already and I just internalised it or if I haven't and come to a similar conclusion to you on my own

[fallow rapids]

https://codagold.substack.com/p/bmrheaders-the-pacifist

[barren sun]

No idea what you're talking about :))

[fast anchor]

omg blooprints,,,

[hollow oasis]

this is on my legion script

[azure narwhal]

1. xaan is a reason you might not to send a nwm ping on n1 no info and rather save to grt the ping thru

2. allows evil to reasonably claim they didnt receive a ping without being hard pushed by the nwm

[hollow oasis]

nwm didn't need the nerf

like literally every other conf role needs it

but like nwm is genuinely "give a player a steward ping"

wow

[azure narwhal]

this is true but nwm works in vortox too

[hollow oasis]

I mean

[azure narwhal]

also being a steward and having a ping on someone else is a lot different from them having the ping on you

[hollow oasis]

yeah it's not great with vortox

[hollow oasis]

it's probably stronger than steward, but like

your role is genuinely just telling someone you're good

1 guy

not public

Xaan prof is kinda peak tho

[azure narwhal]

the only other confirmation role i can think of on the top of my head is banshee

which need to die

[hollow oasis]

virgin prof

[azure narwhal]

i forgot about prof

okay virgin is like

[hollow oasis]

a confirmation role

realistically

yes cere can technically bluff it

[azure narwhal]

you turn a member of the good team into a vote token for good

[hollow oasis]

still confirmation just at a price

[azure narwhal]

in return for both ur confirmation

[hollow oasis]

nwm gets 1 conf on them

[azure narwhal]

i like virgin on spy scripts preferably

[hollow oasis]

the other person isn't confed whatsoever but they don't need to

[hollow oasis]

well yes

[azure narwhal]

id say the price is fair

[hollow oasis]

exactly

NWM is just weaker than virgin

but with no price

it also isn't townwide conf

so 2 evils can bluff it together

[azure narwhal]

fair point

[hollow oasis]

I will also reference Grandma BMR

which kinda just does the same thing but it's both ways because well

1/14 chance of getting it right moment

[azure narwhal]

thats something i dont like with bmr

i also dont like professor like at all

i tend to forget about it

and i dont think ive scripted it once

[hollow oasis]

it needs exe survival or boffin spy

Prof works because the d1 executee isn't always

dead

so shab can bluff prof kinda ok

but yeah prof is bmr's virgin

[azure narwhal]

another issue i have with prof is that like

most people who are dead at the beginning of bmr with like

the sole exception of zombuul and maybe assassin

are gonna be good

most of the time

[hollow oasis]

lowkey evil skill issue

we need spent gfs going for science to fail

or just straight up d1 mm win lmaooo

[split dune]

If the Demon player is likely to want to keep the Lunatic thinking they're a Demon for a while, you can essentially turn yourself into a Lycanthrope by leading the Demon kills while also helping the real Lunatic figure out what they are by drunking them

[fast anchor]

I think Nightwatchman is most interesting with Xaan, tbh. +2

I love the interaction between those two, and I think it's really fun to have the decision of "do I hold until later to see if I can send it after any sensible Xaan number, or do I use it and potentially be a potential evil player bluffing NWM but have the Xaan number locked down?"

[azure narwhal]

wait 4 nights to save it and its actually xaan 4

https://tenor.com/view/flight-stare-meme-flight-streamer-streamer-gif-5233057445165222745

[hollow oasis]

you confirm 4 outsiders

worth

[dense moat]

Wait 4 nights to save it and the Demon kills you Night 4

[dry sluice]

Yes! NWM is best when the Steward ping is only half of the value, and the real benefit is determining whether or not you're drunk.

[heavy sundial]

most powerful townsfolk btw

[azure narwhal]

the interaction being the alchemist with the godfather ability

[fiery sleet]

broken

[azure narwhal]

wait actually?

i bagged this once

[fiery sleet]

you instantly confirm all outsiders unless evil hurries to double claim them

[hollow oasis]

just have vortox

or like

recluse or smth

[azure narwhal]

just make the outsider suite hermit damsel drunk recluse

/j

but yeah oops i honestly didnt think about that during my game and it lowkey d1 was an occurance

i think is fun

also

[cursive cave]

i would like to see a competently constructed script with the old alch behavior of learning the incorrect ability. i have a bootlegged script with the jinx "The Alchemist learns what ability they have. They may learn information or wake according to the ability they incorrectly believe they have."

[azure narwhal]

still none of these as much as

[azure narwhal]

i think without your bootleg its kinda obvious no?

wait

actually lowkey nvm

[cursive cave]

to be specific i like alchemist a lot in an environment where there are a lot of fail conditions for it. in these environments the alch actually works as a townsfolk with an incredibly potent minion ability, that is balanced by the fact it is subject to the evil team's interference and good's lack of coordination

, along with my bootlegged : "The Scarlet woman is in play" and imo have quite some potential

[heavy sundial]

[cursive cave]

i like the way vortox adds a solvable additional fail condition. i have vortox+ND scripted on alch currently and i think it works pretty interestingly

i might even consider scripting preacher into it, even if its a rather questionable character. i do like the dichotomy of a preacher possibly being poisoned after choosing outed evils/alch claims or them just actually being an alchemist

getting preacher psycho to function scriptwise would be rather funny

[storm widget]

I'm surprised I haven't seen a script with these 2 yet

seems like a great synergy between 2 characters who are usually considered "weak"

[pallid sierra]

I do quite like that

[barren sun]

I recently thought I had the pit-hag ability and the storytellers were making a mistake or amnesiac shenanigans by letting me choose a player N1 as a Tea Lady
Then, knowing I was gonna die at night, I tried to turn myself into the farmer.
Then I cried.

[cursive cave]

i dont follow

[grizzled marsh]

[barren sun]

[cursive cave]

i just dont see where tea lady comes in play here tbh

[barren sun]

I chose my neighbour as Tea Lady, thinking I was pit-hagging them

I was actually making them mad

[cursive cave]

ah