Music Discussion

[hard zealot]

like, imagine strings in an orchestra

[ashen ginkgo]

wait

yea that would be good

[hard zealot]

DUN! DUN! DUN! DUN! in the stereo field i think

[ashen ginkgo]

ill do that tmrw

if i have time

[hard zealot]

it'd REALLY increase the intensity and make things sound fuller

aight

[ashen ginkgo]

thx for the feedback dude

[hard zealot]

oh yeah

you should add a crash too btw

like, risers, faders yk

[ashen ginkgo]

oh right

[hard zealot]

you're lucky i'm not busy today lol 😭

[ashen ginkgo]

oh well gotta sleep

yea, recently, for our performance, my band director emphasised on 'musical decisions'

which basically boils down to melody, bassline ontop, everything else below

and it made me realise why my sounds arent full

[hard zealot]

mmmmhhhh yes

listening to a lot of bossa nova has really made me realize i don't need to do so much to make something sound full

i know tis heavy unfinished

but like

[ashen ginkgo]

also recently ive gotten extremely paranoid because of the stupid bios malfunctions so from now onwards im saving EVERYTHING in google drive

[hard zealot]

damn

😭

[remote cradle]

or you could save it in some random sever u created on discord

cuz 15 gb 😭

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot tried to do smth different

should i run with this or just do smth else

or should i just to the original drop and just make it more intense?

actl now that i listen to it again

i think it kind of spoils the drop

so nvm, im scrapping this

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot gimme an example

and what synth could work here?

[hard zealot]

mmm yeah

[hard zealot]

i'm thinking some pad on the stereo field

since it's kinda empty

[ashen ginkgo]

also i dont understand what u mean here

might giving me an audio example

im gonna stop for today

getting quite late

oh crap it's messed up

woops forgot to change the automation for one of the instruments lmao

day 2

leave any suggestions in this channe;

@hard zealot do u like da automation at da end =D

[hard zealot]

probably tomorrow

[north hull]

so peak (not mine)

[hard zealot]

I'll write up some review after letting my headphones charge

[lavish nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKenu0kqdcA

peekaboo

[livid parrot]

@hard zealot kinda proud with this thing a little

[hard zealot]

like what the piano is doing at the start, especially when that guitar (?) is coming in

[hard zealot]

i..

completely forgot....

[hard zealot]

just realized you're using an LPF on the synth at the start then gradually decreasing it, niceeee

i like the automation at the end yes

[north hull]

evil microtonal sounding piano

[livid parrot]

yeah its a guitar

[livid parrot]

i love pitch automation so much!!

[ashen ginkgo]

9 DAYS TILL THE SUN RISES

[drowsy saffron]

does this guy live on venus or something

[north hull]

fr

[tacit remnant]

He dropping an album

[ashen ginkgo]

No

It's a ㊙️

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot can u tell me any ideas of instruments or synths to add so i can add more interesting stuff to the drop

[lavish nest]

today

[hard zealot]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

not really much idea lol

[ashen ginkgo]

yea i decided to just keep it simple

anything i add kind of just clutters the entire thing

it's in this fragile balance for some reason

well, time to do the post drop

i have some good ideas to lead into the end

automation at the end died wtf

[hard zealot]

@ashen ginkgo @wind temple currently writing a piano concerto

[ashen ginkgo]

idk how to get outta this mindset so im just gonna share what is dragging me down nowadays

it feels kind of useless composing for me rn since whenever i share my creations to my friends, most people just think that genre im creating is just not for them, and i understand that, but

it just kind of bums me out

what makes it worse is that ive recently found out that the genre i like (trance techno) and base my style off of is basically just club music

even though i actually see musical value in it and see it as a way to just express what i feel, others dont

they just think of that lame type of music they hear in clubs

like, i understand this is all just a medium for expression and stuff, but like, if nobody wants to listen to my music, what's the point

it's actually affecting me to the point where, i never tell people that i compose, because im scared, scared that people see the type of music i specifically like and make as just 'oh edm, people dance to it, lame', scared that they just see me as some nerd

and no, this doesnt apply to any of my ambient music, people like those alot for some reason

even though i put alot more effort into my other stuff

@hard zealot @lavish nest @north hull @tacit remnant would love advice on this

[hard zealot]

hm

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot @lavish nest @north hull @wind temple I will polish it in the upcoming days, but the base is done

I present to you....PERSISTENCE

the post drop is especially lacking alot of polish

will do that tmrw

or whenever i have time

[north hull]

starting to tie stuff together

[drowsy saffron]

bro dan terminus vocoder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNYbXQqljAs

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot @wind temple since yall are the music theory people, i need yall to give me your honest thoughts about this part

im trying to make a piano part to build up to the last drop

so i need yall to gimme any suggestions, any improvements i can make, chord stuff, etc

also it's not a solo

ill add some stuff tmrw

im just dead tired and need to finish this bridge, that's all

[hard zealot]

the piano part needs improvement

sure there's a melody, but rn it's just 1 voice without any like harmony going on with the melody

and also, the chords shouldn't just be a big smack like that, you should elongate those chords by making them broken chords, arpeggios, whatever the fuck

send me a midi of the piano part so i can show you better what i mean

oh you offline

also it feels less like some buildup and more like just a new part

the chords def need a lot more improvement here but i'm not sure which chords i could reccommend yet

[north hull]

i second this; unless you’re trying to convey a certain emotion by having a full chord play all at once, just give it variation

[ashen ginkgo]

Sorry I need to sleep

It was almost 12am

[drowsy saffron]

i'm crying bro why does my melody look like the mountains

[lavish nest]

My assignment I'm working on is partly doing stuff exactly like this where I take visual images and turn them into sonic information however I want

[hard zealot]

@ashen ginkgo here's some piano stuff that uses tension and release in chords

you can hear how the chords are mostly broken, except for the 2nd half (because there's drums and shit going on there)

[ashen ginkgo]

Broken chords

What dat mean?

[hard zealot]

Notes in a chord played individually in succession

[ashen ginkgo]

So an arpeggio?

[hard zealot]

An arpeggio is different

Ah wait no

Arpeggios and broken chords are pretty much the same

It's just that broken chords tend to move around which chord notes get played, whereas in arpeggios you play the chord notes in order from lowest to highest pitch usually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToWj_4xvVZA

Here's a good example

Also holy shit Bach just DONE did a V7 - Imaj7

WAIT HE DID A ii-V-I WHAT

[hard zealot]

Also if you listen to this, notice how even if the structure of the broken chords stay the same

He's able to do tension and release

How? Through the chords he's using

And also the velocity of the performance which matters a lot

[hard zealot]

B7#9 to B9#5 🥰

[drowsy saffron]

the beepmap assignment

[livid parrot]

@hard zealot how do you think you could get a similar feeling to the 16th track in this https://www.universalproductionmusic.com/en-us/discover/albums/12900/pulse

(idk why but it takes so long to get it to play)

[hard zealot]

i'll view this in a bit

[north hull]

i think xi and azali are good examples of that

xi does piano stuff in ascension to heaven really well

azali is like exclusively piano + whatever else

[hard zealot]

xi is so fucking delicious

ascension is SO SO GOOD

the first few chords are like, Bm9 to Gmaj9 which is so delicious

holon i gotta make sure i don't start improvising chords while trying to figure out the chords to ts song

Bm9, Gmaj9, D/E, A and then i think Bbdim?

[hard zealot]

what's really nice about this is how the Bbdim REALLY adds a lot of tension before it goes back to our tonic, which is Bm9

and the fact that Bb is a semitone before B as well really adds a lot of chromatic movement too

D/E to Cmaj11b5 🤤

[north hull]

damn i cant really determine chords by listening just yet

i can get parts of it but i cant figure them out perfectly yet

[hard zealot]

it's fine lol

i determine the chords by getting my ass on chromemusiclab shared piano or actually sitting my ass on the piano

[north hull]

my method is just hearing the chord, vocalizing the top note into a voice tuner, putting that note into my midi editor and then messing with notes until they sound similar

for obvious reasons it doesn’t work very well

[hard zealot]

you should start using the piano 😁

i actually figure out top voice and root note

that's what i do first

then i can figure out the rest of the chord

though an issue i have is because of how easy it is for me to hear overtones i sometimes put in notes that don't actually exist in the chord, the overtones just make me think that its there

[hard zealot]

iim7/vii - V7/vii - Ima7/vii - vi7/vii - iim7/vii - im7 - VIma7b5 - iim7 - V7 - im7 🤑 for that intro portion

[hard zealot]

i just realized Bbdim to Bm7 is a diminished chromatic passing chord

[north hull]

i dont have a physical midi piano (yet)
-# and i also haven’t played piano since i was four 💀

[hard zealot]

friend transcribed the intro of ts @north hull

this is a good use of aug chords

[north hull]

ooh that is good

[hard zealot]

aug chords are peak

when done right

lets say a B7#9 to B7#5 chord, used a LOT in bossa nova

B7#5 is just Baug with the dom7

[livid parrot]

man finds automation, very happy (im having fun with automation if you can tell)

[hard zealot]

@ashen ginkgo here's a piano solo to a song i'm making

this is a good example of how to buildup energy and use tension and release with chords

[ashen ginkgo]

THE SUN RISES IN TWO DAYS

[ashen ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-rise-gif-11901109

[tacit remnant]

name it song.mp3.mp3

[hard zealot]

i can't quite hear that piano

i can't hear the chords that it's playing at all 😭

[north hull]

yeah i haven’t figured out how to quite fix that

[north hull]

might b cause my master sits at like -13 db so i dont destroy my ears

[little gull]

I am iceman

[tacit remnant]

i am fireman

[drowsy saffron]

help

[ashen ginkgo]

After so many months of preparation and hardwork, I present to y'all,

THE RISING SUN

By DEYI BAND

https://youtu.be/6qf9RlWkm6c?si=KFYBJyGDvGfC_bM9

@north hull @hard zealot @hot token @bitter flame @robust patio @solid narwhal

[lavish nest]

Gg

[solid narwhal]

Yall performed 10 minutes straight ??

Thats absurd

[ashen ginkgo]

Also Mal, pin this if possible, idw this to get covered by messages lol

[ashen ginkgo]

Yep

The music is really hard too

[solid narwhal]

Whats your instrument?

[ashen ginkgo]

Well hard while marching

[ashen ginkgo]

Trombone

[solid narwhal]

Goated

And zero pages or sheet stands even for the percussion

[ashen ginkgo]

Yep

[ashen ginkgo]

@tender oriole also forgot to ping U lol

This is the show I was telling about in DMs

[ashen ginkgo]

Wrong Mal @golden hull

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot @lavish nest what do y'all think of the music

[flat sun]

https://youtu.be/pOXip_tAiK4

[hard zealot]

i like it

[west shell]

bananajor

[tender oriole]

so cool!!!!

[fiery pasture]

hi chat

[north hull]

they are somewhat connected now 😮

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot @lavish nest we got distinction

For our performance

The best award possible

And apparently alot of band directors in Singapore called up our band director to personally tell her that our band was the best

Until the Thailand guest band came in and mogged us (but we don't talk about that)

[fiery pasture]

tbh it could either be foreigner bias (no hate to them they were amazing) or that the judges see something similar every year

[ashen ginkgo]

No that's not bias, i added the bracket as a joke

[fiery pasture]

well we dont talk about that

[ashen ginkgo]

Also they came over to our school for exchange

Learnt how to double tongue

[wind temple]

ball technique

[ashen ginkgo]

no but their opening was genuinely insane lmao

and they WERE SO CHILL

like genuinely i didnt even give a shit about the lessons i had the day they came over to our school cuz they were SO FUN to talk to

https://youtu.be/Iwe3YGI_zXs?si=DuFxPc2BvKUijx_L

their performance btw

Although (imo) their piece isnt as emotionally impactful as ours, their sound is goddamn amazing

and they were in like, perfect sync

[ashen ginkgo]

also fish, what did u think of the music in our show

it's really interesting theory wise

the entire piece has alot of call and responses

and the movements are like, arranged in layers

it's not just the standard bassline melody stuff, it's much more than that, i dont know how to describe it

[wind temple]

i havent seen the show yet 😭 mark my words ill watch the full thing when i get around to it

[ashen ginkgo]

trust me, it's gonna be good

i recommend watching it on tv with like high volume

[wind temple]

DAMN

i might just take you up on that offer

[ashen ginkgo]

(the pinned message btw, not the thailand one)

[wind temple]

It has been Bookmarked.

[zenith perch]

This is Malachite Miners 2 OST
Felt like putting it here because I feel like it deserves it

[wind temple]

oh wait i thought it was your composition 😭 😭

[zenith perch]

Oh definitely not LMAO

[wind temple]

but that's still fine

[zenith perch]

It's made by JTheFox

[ashen ginkgo]

Lemme know your full thoughts on the show in general, especially the music

[wind temple]

of course

[west shell]

newtone 🤤

[ashen ginkgo]

finally got time to work on this

@west shell can u walk through it with me again

i dont really understand what u mean

[fiery pasture]

what in the world ih

wha

vocal jumpscare

[fiery pasture]

why did you send this in wav omg

having nitrogen must be soooo niiiiceeee

[west shell]

me need midi

you lack chords, chords that give proper tension and release

[ashen ginkgo]

mmm ok

[west shell]

there's lik

only a few chords being played

[ashen ginkgo]

i see

[west shell]

and they're all being played in one big strike

which does not really give the proper energy

[fiery pasture]

i just want midi to see

:D

[west shell]

because imagine you have a melody playing and you just do one chord every 4 bars

there'd be BIG empty space right?

the energy just dies down immediately

[ashen ginkgo]

i see

[west shell]

spacing matters

that and volume as well

[west shell]

hear how the piano is playing broken chords

but there's space until the next few measures where there's less space

it's adding more intensity

[fiery pasture]

delicious piano

[west shell]

thx

[fiery pasture]

feels off from the uh

broken chords yes

[west shell]

same goes with the intro here

[west shell]

less space with the broken chords

and as intensity ramps up the broken chords get played much more often

another thing to note: VELOCITY also matters when trying to express intensity

good use of gradual increasing velocity will ramp up the listener for a drop

[fiery pasture]

lawd the motif is everywhere

[west shell]

...i didn't put a motif

[fiery pasture]

no not you

[west shell]

wel there kinda is a motif but i put that in the 2nd half

[fiery pasture]

i was listening to his

[west shell]

oh

😭

[fiery pasture]

he just has it in like

all his songs

[west shell]

inverse?

[fiery pasture]

yuppers

also i think uh the quiet-ish section could prolly be filled with legato octave 2 or 3 chords instead

like the second half of the quiet section

[ashen ginkgo]

hi

[fiery pasture]

hold on lemme listen again

[west shell]

"legato octave 2 or 3 chords"

...what

[fiery pasture]

daah my terminology is weird

[west shell]

hold on hold on are there supposed to be pauses in this sentence 😭

[fiery pasture]

HAVE BASS

LONG LONG NOTES

[fiery pasture]

i forget my commas when im on 3 hours on sleep

[west shell]

✌️

[fiery pasture]

OCTAVE 3

LOOONGG CHOORDS

[west shell]

do you know what an octave is

[fiery pasture]

OR YOU EXTEND THOSE

[fiery pasture]

yea im just

[west shell]

i can't tell if you're trying to say something about measures

[fiery pasture]

tire

[west shell]

😭

[fiery pasture]

lemme leme just

howdoihowdo

[west shell]

@ashen ginkgo i can definitely tell where you're going with the piano playing those low notes

[fiery pasture]

howdy! im flowey the flower!

[west shell]

but it leaves a bunch of empty space in the mid areas

and not only that

the low note stays consistent, it doesn't go anywhere, neither does the melody at some points

it all sounds strained, there's no clear direction, basically

you're dragging the piano part

[ashen ginkgo]

i see

[west shell]

and you should've used a different piano with a much more versatile sound

actually

did you change any of the note velocities

[ashen ginkgo]

yep

[fiery pasture]

👀

[west shell]

there should be a crescendo at some point that increause volume

[ashen ginkgo]

uhhh, idk where to get that piano tho, any suggestions

[west shell]

for * e x t r a i n t e n s i t y*

[west shell]

i use kontakt 8's piano uno

[ashen ginkgo]

man, writing piano lowkey sucks when you dont know how to play piano

[west shell]

then it would've sucked to write for other instruments

[ashen ginkgo]

but i wrote them just fine

[west shell]

i think you can write for piano

you just lack proper knowledge for it

[ashen ginkgo]

i see

[west shell]

like, not in technical playing, but in theory

[ashen ginkgo]

k so more chords

?

gimme an example of what ur tryna say by the space matters

[west shell]

not exactly "more chords", moreso, use chords with proper direction that actually do tension and release

hold on, i'll make something

i'll use your midi and take chords from there

[ashen ginkgo]

i cant install konkakt on this laptop for some reason

so ill just have to wait for that new one

[west shell]

@ashen ginkgo too lazy to continue but this is a pretty good example of why space matters

notice how at the first half the broken chord plays but it doesn't arpeggiate or anytihng

[ashen ginkgo]

Oh

I see

[west shell]

the second half starts arpeggiating the chord to add more intensity

you can also hear the change in velocity as well

[ashen ginkgo]

@west shell i think i got what u mean

but i have two problems

1. How to make it transition well into the motif part, how do i make them match the same tone?
2. how do i end it?

[drowsy saffron]

What is a motif

[north hull]

motif is like a recurring melody or sound

like uhh

https://youtu.be/dOP7G5J755s?si=xaEimfZgh23WSiKg

in this song the motif is that phrase you hear in the intro

[west shell]

oh yeah happy early birth btw

✌️

[drowsy saffron]

thx bro it sadly won't affect my situation though as i'll still be making complete dogshit

[north hull]

wdym early birth 💀

you aint early you’re on time it just says 1:45pm on the thingy

[north hull]

thank you jor!!!

[north hull]

https://youtu.be/KqNL3vDRci4?si=Y-N8lTfKYIPVQ5_L

[drowsy saffron]

happy birthday^^

[north hull]

thank you

[golden hull]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

[ashen ginkgo]

@hard zealot

[ashen ginkgo]

woahhhh

[west shell]

mb

i'll explain in a few days i kinda don't wanna do much rn

birthday girl is coming VERY very close

[remote cradle]

Happy bday

[ashen ginkgo]

ok i completely redid the piano part

it's no longer a solo cuz i added in a cello

@west shell @wind temple @fiery pasture

the chords for the part are funky

but i think i got it

[fiery pasture]

hi

[ashen ginkgo]

hi scout23 (sorry for bad english)

[lavish nest]

progress on uni assignment due in 7 days

[ashen ginkgo]

this change makes the next part hit so much harder tbh

because it's all organic instruments

when the electronic instruments come back in, it hits like a truck

Full song is finally done

@fiery pasture thoughts?

hold violin died at one of the parts for some reason

much better

[fiery pasture]

6 whole minutes

[fiery pasture]

damn now you made me want to make my own motif

its just so present in all your songs

really like the dying down then returning

[ashen ginkgo]

go for it

i just made it cuz i wanted to add that extra emotion

[flat sun]

I decided to make an osu chart with my song

[ashen ginkgo]

does anyone here have good sweep samples

[fiery pasture]

i dont haavee sorrgy

[golden hull]

the song is banger

[fiery pasture]

the star part looks extremely hard for some reason

[flat sun]

TY

[flat sun]

I'm aware, I wasn't thinking when making this map, I was just making whatever lmao
I don't think this is even passable

according to a pro osu player, they said this looked uncomfortable as heck

[fiery pasture]

ooh kay wow uh

pro osu player

[ashen ginkgo]

https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1562158

[drowsy saffron]

what does this mean

[ashen ginkgo]

sound effect

[drowsy saffron]

do you have an example

[drowsy saffron]

how is my note velocity looking guys

[west shell]

not enough velocity bro

[west shell]

looked more like a city to me

[drowsy saffron]

True but i couldn't find a nice picture of a hundred skyscrapers

what does adjusting the release do for notes

[north hull]

shortens that reverb-y tail

[golden hull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRyXb85gFKw

we are listening to this

[north hull]

who is we

also it got copyright struck 💀

[west shell]

me when dom7#5 but it's basically an aug7 🤤

[livid parrot]

i thought of this right before a shower and i had to share

[livid parrot]

dominant 7 hashtag 5 but its actually august 7 (im sorry)

[golden hull]

the shower

[west shell]

philippines heat

[livid parrot]

dubai heat

[ashen ginkgo]

For @tacit remnant 's game

[ashen ginkgo]

You know it's a weird feeling, 4 years ago, I didn't even know a single thing about music nor was I even interested in making it

Now it's like, a part of me, I'm shockingly good at it, and I have a passion for it

I'm getting comments saying how good my music is, but it feels so unnatural to me, I have recently even passed my own goal of making something at the level of dimrain47 or nighthawk22, and I feel so happy, yet I feel like I can do so much better

[lavish nest]

My recommendation with colour bass is letting the colour breathe
You don't wanna spam it too much
It's best spammed as a response in a call and response structure if ykwim

[west shell]

my best attempt of imitating how jazz used to sound like

oh right i've already posted this

ah whatever

[remote cradle]

Well well well

[north hull]

message no post?

heres some bullshit!!! (im still deciding where to go here)

[north hull]

https://on.soundcloud.com/Y73iozyyan3lm6YTrP
HUH?! this is so good

[north hull]

i bought chroma as a very late birthday present to myself

[lavish nest]

👀

YEAHH

https://tenor.com/view/mathew-patrick-matpat-matpat-keep-going-keep-going-dont-stop-gif-3419099738783524488

[golden hull]

https://tenor.com/view/mathew-patrick-matpat-matpat-keep-going-keep-going-dont-stop-gif-3419099738783524488

[somber dove]

oh hell nah what is lalo salamanca doing here 😭

[fiery pasture]

hi chat i would very much love some criticism for my first ever (ignoring the scrapped stuff i did) 3/4 time signature piece that i have yet to complete

i had no reason spending an hour configuring the velocity of notes i cant even hear

[west shell]

it's called a waltz btw

[fiery pasture]

yes yes i know its called a waltz its just very hard for me to compose ine

[west shell]

do you have sheet music

oh wait this is done in midi

[west shell]

first criticism i have is you shouldn't put low notes so close to eachother because it can make things sound muddy

of course i don't know if this is because of the weird piano you used here

[west shell]

this is all being played by one piano right

reminder that pianists only have two hands, the arpeggio you can faintly here is pretty much impossible to do

[west shell]

so far it sounds good, though i do think the chords/chord progression lacked direction at the first half

the second half is pretty good, but the melody also sounds very strained

i do like the rhythm you used here, but i think the melody needs a lot more improvement

that and the melody also sounds strained because it's locked to the chords (like, it's only playing the notes that are in the chords rather than letting it use notes out of the scale)

though i like the ending chord you used at the end, though the silence between some parts really needs improvement

all in all, not bad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/450556534720692236/1455404027037880486/convert.gif

[fiery pasture]

get 2 pianists to play the piece

ok sorry i apologise imsorryimsorryimsorry

[west shell]

i mean

there is a piece that required like

4 pianists to perform it

😭

[fiery pasture]

this is amazing advice tho thank you

[west shell]

honestly, have as much pianists as you want but do remember if you're gonna make something for 2 pianists make sure both of their parts actually shine and neither is left out

but since you're making a piece for 1 pianist, remember, we only have two hands

don't torture us

you're not lizst 😭

🙏

[fiery pasture]

i more of uh just put a bunch of coherent notes and chords together and prayed it sounded good

[fiery pasture]

😭

i wonder how rachmaninoff managed to get so much emotion in his pieces tho

[west shell]

this is where we learn theory

[west shell]

TIHS IS WHERE WE LEARN THEORY

[fiery pasture]

I DONT WANT THEORYYYYYYY

theory is scawy

:(

[west shell]

it's not lol

[fiery pasture]

uuuaaahhh how do you do theory

[west shell]

uh

i assume you know the basics?

i could probably ask one of my friends to help teach but i don't know if they're free r

rn

i think the best choice you have is to go to youtube 😋

[fiery pasture]

yootub

im barely free now so i probably have to kill my schedule to learn advanced music theory

[west shell]

hmm

you can really just learn it on the side

even a few minutes of learning/practice

15-30, whatever suits your sched

i learned a WHOLE lot of theory during last year's summer break so i had plenty time

😋😋

[fiery pasture]

how ingenious

[fiery pasture]

i forgot to follow every bit if advice but i did develop 7 WHOLE SECONDS

[lavish nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQe1SkURXu8
https://open.spotify.com/track/0a3G9cjCu18k9ocwAbSYLL?si=e1bbaa87062146fd

I made a fun little chiptune/industrial track within uni assignment season 🥹

[west shell]

that last part is so fucking balls

rate

[drowsy saffron]

ignore everything this took me like 15min but hearing it just forced me to make whatever this is

[west shell]

low ends are pretty muddy

[drowsy saffron]

i don't know what that means

i genuinely don't know anything about music bro i'm just typing shit

[fiery pasture]

am so facken happy like

expressed by steamhappy

okay nevahmind i have no idea what im listening to maybe im just tired

[fiery pasture]

im gonna need some criticism for this one since i wanna finalise it but im not sure if i should

[fiery pasture]

my godchild commissioned me for this, it was 4am while doing this piece and they said 'peak'

[west shell]

Ill listen to ts when i get home

[lavish nest]

and now im never touching this again goodnight

[north hull]

synthesis motif

are you trying to recreate the entire sound or just the structure cause i have a file with smth similar

[lavish nest]

jus decided to recreate the harmony at the start for fun

sound design i am NOT attempting

[north hull]

alr nevermind then

i did the exact opposite im not attempting the rest but i got the sound design somewhat close

[lavish nest]

with our powers combined LOL

[north hull]

now that i have a bit more knowledge i should lowk adjust my file some more to try and get closer to the original

[golden hull]

synthesis but ludo forgot to change the pacing

great work on replicating the melody

But i cant imagine changing the speed that rapidly changing each beat

Even though the music video already shown it

[north hull]

synthesis shifts really quickly

especially in the section following :genesis and :acceleration

[west shell]

i don't know why but something just sounds weird about the intro

i do NOT remember the pads having so much dissonance and clashing with the lead

[west shell]

cover/remix of lyra's fantasy with some reharmonization

[lavish nest]

It's exact
Cuz the music video tells u everything lol

[lavish nest]

Same as what I said to jor lmao

[west shell]

it doesn't sound as dissonant as in yours but i think that's just because the chords are kinda obscured in the og while yours is a lot clearer to hear

[lavish nest]

Ya

A lot of harmonic gems hidden by sound selection and filters

[ashen ginkgo]

Sometimes I like to search up WIPs of songs I made to see how far I've come

It's kind of fascinating not gonna lie, how I used to be so demotivated that I wasn't like Dimrain47 and Nighthawk22, but I didn't realise at that time that i dont need to be like them

and alot of my earlier works were...kind of trying too hard

I think Solemn Symphony is just where I straight up went 'fuck it' and invented whole new style for myself

you can actually see the improvement

I hope that some beginners see this and take inspiration because I feel like my biggest problem back then was feeling bad because I didnt sound as 'good' as others, and now I just have to say, it doesnt matter, do it for yourself, if you get a fanbase, that's a plus

unless its ur job

@fiery pasture hi I think this can inspire u

anyways back to studying AAAAAAAAAA

[fiery pasture]

hi

[north hull]

so far this is the closest ive been to it

[drowsy saffron]

that one instrument that gets louder in the background (no idea what it's called) sounds almost exactly like what was used in the actual song

[west shell]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bart-domer-baby-I8I1s2ogGJmYavRAvq

the typa shit i be telling people but then my ahh over here thinking i gotta be as good as the greats 😛

[west shell]

one note in the lead is wrong

[north hull]

shit

is it?

[north hull]

supersaw

[west shell]

ye

here's what the notes are supposed to sound like

[north hull]

i cant hear the difference 😭

[ashen ginkgo]

Michael Jackson was winging it too????

I used to think music theory was essential for composing, now i dont think it's needed much other than chords and intervals

[mild lily]

@lavish nest Are you by chance available now?

[west shell]

it's essential when you need it

this might be a bit hard to say BUT,
when it comes to making music it will most DEFINITELY depend on the person if you need music theory or not. there are some composers out there who go completely with the vibe and don't really need much theory because they already have the ear for it, i for one are classified within this group because theory use happens subconciously because i've built the ear for jazz and how it's supposed to sound like

however that doesn't mean i'm not gonna be able to compose something without needing some theory to help guide my direction, no. i in fact use music theory from time to time when i'm lost on what to do next, when i want to say, modulate to another key. it's not essential as in it's a neccessity, it's more of something you learn that can build the foundation of how you compose and your understanding of composing itself.

if i didn't learn theory at all i probably wouldn't be as good with jazz as i am now

i still reccomend that you learn some more theory other than just chords and intervals, you don't know when you're gonna need to know your scales, keys, chord progressions etc etc

[west shell]

there's also things like voice leadings, counterpoint, etc etc which can become useful with composing

[tacit remnant]

yeah no its more of like

knowing it will likely help tons

[drowsy saffron]

Why is everyone in this chat so goated

everything i do lowkey just sounds like shit bruh

[tacit remnant]

yea no i havent even started composing yet like i said i would

a lot of shi gets in my way'

[fiery pasture]

years of practice idk

[west shell]

years of practice and learning

[west shell]

though talent can definitely be a factor when it comes to growth

[ashen ginkgo]

I'm not goated bruh

Almost 250

Go listen to it if y'all haven't:
https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1562158

[remote cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[fiery pasture]

mater tater ive been lookig for your profile for a bit

oh right i forgot ive already had you followed

[fiery pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/la-manchaland-don-quixote-don-quixote-lcb-la-manchaland-limbus-company-gif-5416266550369442472

[lavish nest]

Mb for late reply I'm running deadline to deadline rn

Anyway had a listen, mixing wise it's alright, I would lower the drums tho as they drown out the rest
However some parts did sound like they were harmonically clashing
Like the chords at the start and the piano near the end

Other than that it's nice

[mild lily]

that's intentional

the map maker said "im thinking of it being like a white void but also with some darkness"

so i did that to add a bit on unease to the track

i will be lowering the volume on some instruments though because they do drown out the rest

[north hull]

(this aint done)

[ashen ginkgo]

250 listens yahoo

[ashen ginkgo]

if you get what this is based off of in the first 15 seconds, i respect you

[north hull]

if thats not all of me by john legend then idk

[fiery pasture]

agreed with null

have the urge to compose swing

a swing piece

because i love piracy

[ashen ginkgo]

Surface by dimrain47

[north hull]

new thing to do after other thing is done

[west shell]

this reminds me

CENTURIA's stuck at 5k+ listens now lol

[north hull]

ignore the horrendously loud claps i fixed that right after i sent this

[ashen ginkgo]

who the fuck gon listen to this for 9 HOURS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHR7R-TY7NE

it seems fire tho

[lavish nest]

Saving this

Could have some gems

[drowsy saffron]

this guy legit just a rhythm game composer now

[ashen ginkgo]

yo i listened for like an hour

it's really good, it's basically an online course on youtube

extremely high quality

[golden hull]

fr

[golden hull]

this lowk sounds like drift

at the last half of the audio

[ashen ginkgo]

I should make a discord server

i dont know, will it even attract people?

[livid parrot]

if you can manage it then i dont really see why not

and by manage i mean like

not let it go down in chaos

[livid parrot]

decided to try and experiment with fx stuff cause i havent really looked at the whole fx list

genuinely what is this hermes filter thing

ITS WIDER THAN MY ENTIRE SCREEN

im not even joking

[ashen ginkgo]

what's this vst

[livid parrot]

?

[ashen ginkgo]

what instrument is that

[livid parrot]

acoustic bass

[ashen ginkgo]

send link :D

[livid parrot]

i forgot where i downloaded it from but here

[west shell]

orr keeping it active

[livid parrot]

truly

[livid parrot]

@west shell btw nana this instrument is like really good when you use it for high notes

its like a pizzicato

[west shell]

but

it's called an acoustic bass

it's

an acoustic bass

https://klipy.com/gifs/double-bass-bass-fish

[livid parrot]

😢

[lavish nest]

Jor you sound like you're bound by musical expectations

Be free jor break the rules

[west shell]

nah

i'm bound by having to make sure i'm not torturing my performers

[lavish nest]

So you are 😭

[west shell]

i do have a tendency to care for realism much more than letting myself be free

[lavish nest]

Rip 😔

[west shell]

if i go too hard the performers will kill me

not my fault anyway they js gotta get good

[west shell]

lowk just use an actual pizz

[livid parrot]

@west shell this song uses the axoustic bass as,. not axoustic bass

[west shell]

if it sounds similar to an autistic bass

shit i meant

acoustic bass

[livid parrot]

LMAO

i kinda like using the acoustic bass unconventionally as a pizzicato more if im being honest

[west shell]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gulp-cat-cute-cat-talking-talking-cat-gif-12125349772742836623

[lavish nest]

The slap bass calls for you

Join my side

[west shell]

sgm's bass fits more of that pizz sound the higher you go

[west shell]

it doesn't really sound like a pizzicato no

[lavish nest]

You didn't see the chain of thought 😭

[west shell]

ah

i get it

https://tenor.com/view/asian-girl-brick-brick-throw-kill-gif-25574003

[livid parrot]

still rlly like how it sounds though hehe..

[west shell]

man

the amount of jor pieces to just die because i got bored of it

or just lost the 2-3 day drive to work on something

[lavish nest]

I have like 4 songs I'm in the middle of cooking but I can't cuz of these assignments:(

My next release slaps tho

[west shell]

yeahhh

i need to release shit

well FUCK

https://tenor.com/view/hoodbender-rdcworld-hoodavatar-hood-avatar-gif-7373043062452024678

so much unfinished shit like actually

[lavish nest]

I've been doing a bare minimum of one release per month and it's working

[west shell]

this is so sad this isn't even like, 2-3 pieces anymore

THIS IS JUST MY WHOLE PROJECTS FOLDER

[lavish nest]

Look at that growth

[west shell]

nice to see

[lavish nest]

I'm nearing 300 monthly on Spotify too

[west shell]

good job lol

[livid parrot]

i usuallt just come back to something if i like it but i dont know how to continue it

[west shell]

deadass i need to get bandlab again

something about just using my voice to make demos worked so well for me

i NEED to do that shit again

[lavish nest]

Wtf happened yesterday tho

[west shell]

big ass spike

[lavish nest]

Fr

[livid parrot]

i actually recently downloaded cakewalk but it was too complicated for me to figure out so i went back to my safety bunker called lmms

[west shell]

this is actually so sad

i've only released

2 pieces

in the entirety of 2025

actually brilliant holy shit 😭

[livid parrot]

release 4 this year, then 8 next year, then 16 next year

[lavish nest]

What are we thinking up or down

[west shell]

nah i need to relase more

[west shell]

goin up i think

[lavish nest]

I hope so

[west shell]

in the mean time i've been working on covers

oh my lord i need to continue making breakcore

[lavish nest]

I've been locked in on releasing this year

[west shell]

ye

[lavish nest]

By August this might double in size btw

Summer I am ready to lockkkkk

[west shell]

i don't know how you lock in and finish shit

💔

[lavish nest]

Switch ups ngl

Cuz then it's like you're starting something new in the same song

And then u connect them later

U can hear me do that in grindrails lmao

It also makes a more interesting piece so win win

[west shell]

i gotta think

think jor think

i don't really want to do switch ups unless the context/lore behind the song calls for it

well if i'm doing a song for the fun of it sure

i'll do whatever

but some of my stuff are emotionally driven so i have to be careful on how i express stuff

[lavish nest]

😭

By switch I don't mean emotional btw

My wifi is gone one sec

[west shell]

yooooooo i'm cooking for something

wait i'm lowk motivated to continue ts

jor finally locking in and releasing something?!??!

[lavish nest]

Go go

[north hull]

same

[lavish nest]

son

at least its going up LOL

[little gull]

quomodocunquize 2nd drop on the tv

[north hull]

oh yeah it kinda do

[north hull]

progress question mark

[little gull]

the only thing that needs work is the drop fill

Literally like 9.9/10

[golden hull]

Aint no way
https://youtu.be/r5cO01YeSwc?si=_SJpnTm2QjtVw2RY

[livid parrot]

i tried to recreate the third sanctuary from delatrune..

or well

its mor of a remix

i guess

[little gull]

Drop fill is good now

good melody

holy w ‼️

[golden hull]

This is genuinely very good holy moly

[drowsy saffron]

i can't tell if this is serious or not

it sounds like you're manually adjusting the volume level every two seconds

[short folio]

Blud my mixing is so ass

[short folio]

I use so many automation clips bruh yeah it's really hard to not use it in everything

[drowsy saffron]

i hear flashes of brilliance and then there's some offbeat growl and it throws me off guard

[short folio]

Yeah that's something I really couldn't fix

For some reason fl never showed the tracks as offbeat

[drowsy saffron]

what does 3:05 look like in fl studio 😭 😭

[short folio]

Oh that's because I added a ton of siren sounds

Oh yeah the other reason is because I manually drag a ton of stuff, like mostly in 1/4 or 1/6 th snapping, and yeah

[flat sun]

look at what I found :D

[fiery pasture]

this was fun to make, tho id like to know what the hell am i doing before i continue
also constructive criticism pleeaasee

[drowsy saffron]

please center the violin bro 🙏

[fiery pasture]

o alrighty

[fiery pasture]

well i fixed the weird violin countermelody and added a lil bit

but my earpieces died halfway

[west shell]

what is that guitar

[north hull]

nice mellow piano

[fiery pasture]

dont even know

[barren laurel]

idk gang (skip to 0:20 if you dont want allat prep)
a bit of TK from 凛として時雨 - like A moment

[golden hull]

bocchi irl

[west shell]

we love to see a lil guitahh here

keep practicing dud 🥹

[barren laurel]

did some refinements

chords for the end