Water Extention

[valid flint]

Is there a way to roll back to an earlier version of a mod through Steam? I remember you could through mod.io. It would be nice to be able to play while we wait for Timber Commons

[low moat]

I removed all related TimberCommons stuffs from Water Extension, and, the TimberCommon mod and, works well. Just loose all Irrigation towers ...

[lofty locust]

Just comment out all Irrigation tower related stuff and it will be fine

[valid flint]

Do I just need to turn off Commons or do I need to edit some files? I'm a mod installer, not very savvy on editing mods.

[low moat]

Step 1 Turn off TimberCommons

Step 2 Replace manifest.json from Water extension with the one provided

Step 3 drop those file in Water Extension/Specifications/PrefabGroupSpecifications folder, overwriting the existing files.

[lofty locust]

Don't forget the optional greedy builder for those who use it

[valid flint]

Haven't gotten into Greedy Builders yet. Might try them on my next map

Also I ready wish steam used named folders instead of numbered.

[lofty locust]

GB is like playing FT with IT stuff

[low moat]

It is 3337906807 for Water Extension

[valid flint]

thank you

[lofty locust]

Yeah, not happening Steam love their numbers folder. 🤣

[valid flint]

I'm not seeing the Water Extension/Specifications/PrefabGroupSpecifications folder. Is that hiding somewhere else?

[lofty locust]

\Documents\Timberborn\Mods

[valid flint]

My mods folder is currently empty. Do I just create that folder path and drop them in?

[lofty locust]

oh, steam has a different folder for mods.

I can't help with that. ☹️

just search 3337906807 in the steam folder I guess

[low moat]

"...\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\1062090\3337906807" for TimberCommons

"...\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\1062090\3285720709" for Water Extension

[lofty locust]

my only disadvantage is my TB is not Steam. 😑

[low moat]

Sometimes (in fact, almost all time), I hate steam🤣

[valid flint]

I was in the timber commons folder that's why I couldn't find the /Specification

[lofty locust]

the Specification that you nee to replace is in Water Extension

[low moat]

and, manifest.json

[violet plover]

Will take minimum a day for me to get access to a pc and release a hotfix
Todor got a crashreport for igor to look at?

[low moat]

Few hours ago

[valid flint]

I AM IN!!! Thanks for the hand holding. I real appreciate the help.

But new problem The Small Turbine was also removed 😫 Is that dependent on TimberCommons?

[low moat]

Guess not ...

[violet plover]

Try these @valid flint

And turbine do not use timbercommon

[lofty locust]

Hmm.. I guess, I did not noticed that Todor's didn't have the turbines at the end.

[valid flint]

That worked. Thanks.

Also here is phase 1 of my power plant. I was planning on adding 2 more layers but i'm no sure if I'll need more than 220k power

Got 2 layers of small turbines running through there

[violet plover]

Hehe

[coral swift]

generating over 300hp per turbine in my aqueduct 😜 three badwater sources combined with 12 water sources from the main reservoir and another 6 water sources from the water processing plant - i think i have maxed out the flow from the 3-wide exit. love these turbines hehe 😍. peaks to nearly 50khp

[violet plover]

Hehe

[violet plover]

Mod updated

2.2.2

• Fix: Remove broken Irrigation towers and Timbercommon Requirement
  They will be added to a separate mod when Timbercommon works again

Remember to disable timbercommon

[wheat stump]

man
I always play folktails and then spam windmills everywhere, with flywheels to store the power

[coral swift]

You can use turbines with FT too - I hate the windmills so always look for an alternative, but yeah flywheels are the 🐐.

I did a 256x256 FT build in U5 which had 16 million HP in flywheels to serve the entire map, and just about survived a 30 day drought with about 500 bots and 750 beavers

You can never have too many flywheels with FT. 😅

[naive wave]

fyi a 3x3 plot dynamite 2 deep with a fluid dump seems to be a sufficient replacement for one of the big water towers

[violet plover]

Addon Mod Water Extention: Irrigation towers Released

1.0.0

• Initial release with Irrigation towers as a sepereate mod

this mod enables the irrigation towers and then also add Timbercommon req = if timbercommon breaks this mod can be disabled and the rest may work

[mossy sonnet]

any idea what is up with this?

both installed through steam

nvm, unsubscribed and re-subscribed

that fixed it

[spark lava]

You can also try the "Steam Update Buttons" mod (only on mod.io unfortunately) which should make upgrading mods a single-in-game-click instead

[naive wave]

The water towers are back! 🎉

[visual prawn]

Is this mod working in U6 live?

[violet plover]

yepp

its split in 2 mods one base mod and one that enables irrigation tower thanks to timbercommon

also any mod on steam workshop work on U6

[visual prawn]

Sweet 😎 Thank you 🙏

[valid flint]

So here is the "final" version of my power plant. I was feeding it from the bottom row and working up but it was causing flow restriction's that made it barely keep up with the single layer. tried a few things to fix it but i ended up switching the flow to top down. That's why I have the big box on the end to have more drop edges.

It may not put out 3 time what I had with the single layer but 400k hp is still pretty good. I will probably rebuild the source end so that it looks better but I need to work on something else for now.

Also there are 282 Gravity batteries incase you were wondering

[naive wave]

Looks good. Need to figure out better power for my FT helix. Really miss IT power generation

[drifting rover]

I cant seem to work our how to use the deep sea water pump howe do i get power to it?

[violet plover]

Place it inside the dam under water
Route in power
Either from the bottom or in the big log at the top
There is an image on mod io as example

[drifting rover]

awesome thank you

[naive wave]

You power from underneath?

[violet plover]

You can 😉

But then one less block/layer to hold water

[low moat]

unless you blast o hole below. What a splash 🤣

[naive wave]

I think he means if you have to blast down to power underneath then it would require you not to be able to blast down to the maps base layer

[naive wave]

any one have issues with efficient irrigation tower not being supplied? i've been having to change from regular irrigation back to irrigation with tree boost when it runs dry to get the tower restocked with water. i even have the prioritize by haulers checked and 6 full haulers outposts for 127 beavers and 150 bots

[coral swift]

I haven't tried it in U6 yet, but I recall having trouble with the efficient irrigation tower in U5 - as I recall, it would run out of water before the extract ran out but the haulers wouldn't refill it. It would work when I prioritised by haulers. Using dev mode I could see that because of the remaining extract the haul priority didn't get high enough for it to work normally but I didn't get around to trying to solve it as U6 experimental arrived.

At the moment I am using the booster juice mod as an alternative.

[naive wave]

Ya that's what seems to happen. Extract leftbbut no water. Swapping between the 2 modes seems to reset it. Just a nuisance

[violet plover]

Can you later show image of amount of extract is left when it run out of water? (Could look at tweeking storage amount)

[sterile condor]

quick question : how do i load this mod in my modding setup to access its scripts ?

[violet plover]

this or Timbercommon?
Timbercommon and its mods i just have inside a folder that i call Dep mods to be able to use the components added by timbercommon

[sterile condor]

ah, yeah timber commons

but i don't seem to see any script called irrigation~~

so was wondering if i was doing the same thing

whelp, nope, i do'nt seem to see anything

i have downloaded version 1.10.1

oh is it becausse i need harmony and eMKA modsettings ?

[violet plover]

ya else there will be errors in the console

@sterile condor meaning mod is not loaded in unity

[sterile condor]

what is mod settings though ? doesn't seemm to be a mod

didn't find it either on steam or mod.io

[violet plover]

https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/timber-commons is updated with links to its dependencies 😉

meaning this: https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/mod-settings

[naive wave]

I'll get you a screen cap when it happens next

[sterile condor]

me no comprendo 😥

[violet plover]

You got no other components tried check console? And import game dlls?

[sterile condor]

i can import timberborn dlls again but i'm not sure what that's supposed to do 🤔

still nothing, the console doesn't say anythign eiter

[violet plover]

Hmm weird and im in bed sick so have a hard tie helping 😔

Try search on igor?

[sterile condor]

oh, okay. @turbid crane are you around ?

[turbid crane]

Yup.

[violet plover]

Wait @sterile condor what version did you download? Looks like igor had not updated live version of the mod 🤔

[sterile condor]

I downloaded the latest, I think it was saying 5 days ago and something about fixing the irrigation towers

Yeah 1.10.1

[violet plover]

Hmm weird and its unpacked right like in game mod folder.
Tried restarting unity?

[sterile condor]

tried that

[violet plover]

Hmm weird

[sterile condor]

@turbid crane any time to help me with getting that stuff working in 1h-ish ?

maybe i should retry from a clean state

actually i had to remove it yesterday because the mods wouldn't build with that stuff in

so i zipped it

[violet plover]

hmm that tells me you have some console error

[violet plover]

wait you do not have timberapi in this folder

[sterile condor]

uuh, indeed

but neither did you 🤔

[violet plover]

i did TAPI

[sterile condor]

okay i'll try to add TAPI

[turbid crane]

Right, I forgot to bump the versions on mod.io. Will do soon.

[naive wave]

Seems like if the water tower gets to 5 extract, even swapping the irrigation type won't force workers to refill. Had to demolish and rebuild

[sterile condor]

ah, i tried and it seems to work, at least i can see the scripts now !

i'll try to use them tomorrow

[naive wave]

seems like every time i try to click the water tower now it causes a crash. i put in my crash report in mod users tab

@violet plover

[violet plover]

Are you on stable or experimental? (As its not complete zip i do not know)

[naive wave]

experimental

[violet plover]

Ok can you try switch to stable and see if the crash is removed

[naive wave]

ok, how do u do change?

[violet plover]

(steam) Propertys and beta and select none instead of experimental.
And copy save folder from timberborn/experimentalsave >timberborn/save

[naive wave]

just found it. weird the wording for normal is none.. but i got it

[violet plover]

Well its no beta 😛

[naive wave]

will my experimental 6 save be able to be loaded in noraml u6?

that just sounds dumb... dont answer that

tested u6 IT no crashes, filled them up powered etc

[naive wave]

tested u6 FT no crashes. do they have to be restocked by haulers?

it makes sense, they just wouldnt restock from the district center

still crashes on experimental the second you click the tower

im not good with sending these error reports but i can send you the full one in dm if you want

[violet plover]

Well i now know how to reporduce it so its fine.

• Play with experimental
• Click on water tower
  Error message about version so something changed when they allow multiple game versions in a mod

Ps your not the only one to have reported it have 2 reports on steam comment 2

[sterile condor]

trying to set up my irrigation towers, anyone around in case i need help ?

[sterile condor]

for now i'm managing

trying to get the reciepe-based system to work

[sterile condor]

@turbid crane do you have a few minutes to help me ? 😇

i'm getting this ```v0.6.9.0-7b431f2-xsw
IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
IgorZ.TimberCommons.IrrigationSystem.ManufactoryIrrigationTower+<>c.<Awake>b__20_2 (System.String[] v) (at <9a73d22634bf48248c500475642d38c0>:0)
System.Linq.Enumerable.ToDictionary[TSource,TKey,TElement] (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable1[T] source, System.Func2[T,TResult] keySelector, System.Func2[T,TResult] elementSelector, System.Collections.Generic.IEqualityComparer1[T] comparer) (at <78e29e3c9350441c83ba23ba1abe8e2c>:0)
System.Linq.Enumerable.ToDictionary[TSource,TKey,TElement] (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable1[T] source, System.Func2[T,TResult] keySelector, System.Func2[T,TResult] elementSelector) (at <78e29e3c9350441c83ba23ba1abe8e2c>:0) IgorZ.TimberCommons.IrrigationSystem.ManufactoryIrrigationTower.Awake () (at <9a73d22634bf48248c500475642d38c0>:0) UnityEngine.GameObject:SetActive(Boolean) Timberborn.TemplateSystem.TemplateInstantiator:Instantiate(GameObject, Transform) Timberborn.BlockObjectTools.PreviewFactory:Create(PlaceableBlockObject) Timberborn.BlockObjectTools.PreviewPlacerFactory:CreatePreviews(PlaceableBlockObject, Int32) Timberborn.BlockObjectTools.PreviewPlacerFactory:Create(PlaceableBlockObject) TimberApi.Tools.ToolSystem.Tools.PlaceableObject.PlaceableObjectToolFactory:CreateTool(ToolSpecification, PlaceableObjectToolToolInformation, ToolGroup) TimberApi.Tools.ToolSystem.BaseToolFactory1:Create(ToolSpecification, ToolGroup)
TimberApi.Tools.ToolSystem.ToolService:Load()
MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition:Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.LoadSingletons_Patch2(SingletonLifecycleService)
MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition:Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.LoadAll_Patch1(SingletonLifecycleService)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleAdapter:Start()

i tried without the last one, but no change

or of course if @violet plover is around 😉

[violet plover]

Info sent to lapan

(example images and files)

[sterile condor]

first time i see this one First uncaught exception at 2024-10-19 18:15:46Z Stopping all root objects in active scene Creating an exception game save NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object at Timberborn.Workshops.ProduceExecutor.StartProducing () [0x00000] in <252f1001554a44c38297035bb733e68d>:0 at Timberborn.Workshops.ProduceExecutor.Launch (System.Single maxProductionTimeInHours) [0x00077] in <252f1001554a44c38297035bb733e68d>:0 at Timberborn.Workshops.ProduceWorkplaceBehavior.Decide (Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorAgent agent) [0x0003c] in <252f1001554a44c38297035bb733e68d>:0 at Timberborn.WorkSystem.WorkerRootBehavior.WorkAtWorkplace () [0x00041] in <09add553ba1f459b94451f90cd023fe3>:0 at Timberborn.WorkSystem.WorkerRootBehavior.DecideAsWorker () [0x00023] in <09add553ba1f459b94451f90cd023fe3>:0 at Timberborn.WorkSystem.WorkerRootBehavior.Decide (Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorAgent agent) [0x00027] in <09add553ba1f459b94451f90cd023fe3>:0 at Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorManager.ProcessBehavior (Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.Behavior behavior) [0x00000] in <cd01a69d981c4502b93308cdd5944cac>:0 at Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorManager.ProcessBehaviors () [0x00058] in <cd01a69d981c4502b93308cdd5944cac>:0 at Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorManager.Tick () [0x00016] in <cd01a69d981c4502b93308cdd5944cac>:0 at Timberborn.TickSystem.TickableComponent.StartAndTick () [0x00006] in <fde9ead03c2048d6949b2ac91a6dceda>:0 at Timberborn.TickSystem.MeteredTickableComponent.StartAndTick () [0x00013] in <fde9ead03c2048d6949b2ac91a6dceda>:0 at Timberborn.TickSystem.TickableEntity.TickTickableComponents () [0x00021] in <fde9ead03c2048d6949b2ac91a6dceda>:0 [...]

[violet plover]

me to

[sterile condor]

yep, happened again as soon as water got into the building

[violet plover]

these are the components used

[sterile condor]

since it's a manufactory, it needs simple manufactory behavior right ?

[violet plover]

so it do not have workshop component

[sterile condor]

do you have one that repels contamination ?

actually for the normal irrigation i don't want any crop boost, so i leave it all blank right ?

[violet plover]

that is a good consumtion building for me atleast

[violet plover]

Basic water tower:
it has Workplace components as it has a worker to transfer water

[sterile condor]

yeah mine too

@turbid crane any chance that's because there is no slot manager in my building ?

[violet plover]

Probobly you have Workplace spec but no defined slot manager and initiator = half defined to use worker
my building that do not add workers do not have that component

[sterile condor]

yeah but there is no slot in most of my buildings and that's not an issue 🤔

trying to add it to test

[violet plover]

tried without block contamination range effect component and the recipie you did?
also my use of block contamination is a good transform building = only used water+ power to work

[sterile condor]

strange... it actually works just fine...if i remove the workspace specification :/

but of course in that case it doesn't have a dedicated worker

[sterile condor]

whelp, yep, nope

added the worker back, crash again

[naive wave]

Is that what's doing it? I know in experimental U6 the medium sized one would crash. I tried in normal U6 and no crash and they restocked it

[violet plover]

wait @sterile condor are you on stable branch? there is some bug in timbercommon on Experimental!

[turbid crane]

@sterile condor The first error was likely due to wrong effects seetting. It must be in "RecipeId=Effect".

[turbid crane]

The tower only needs Manufactory component. How to properly setup the other components, here I'm not a big help.
As for NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object at Timberborn.Workshops.ProduceExecutor.StartProducing () [0x00000] in <252f1001554a44c38297035bb733e68d>:0 error, it's because there is no workshop component.

[turbid crane]

Which bug?

[spark lava]

Constructor for Mod class has a new argument?

[violet plover]

Read this:
#1064976877170741328 message

[turbid crane]

Hmm, it works just fine to me. I'm on experimental.

[violet plover]

Hmm and you clicked a tower?

[turbid crane]

Yes.

[violet plover]

Have not had time to verify the steps myself😢

@turbid crane Check this: #🚀mod-users message
Live error report😉

[sterile condor]

yeah, i had read that above and now i'm on stable

[sterile condor]

you mean manufactory spec right ? the new one ?

an i have it

[turbid crane]

Spec makes the manufactory created. It happens in runtime.

One of the changes from u6. You now add specs instead of the real components, but they are still created behind the scene.

[turbid crane]

And what is "stable" anyway? The main game version? AFAIK it's the same as experimental now.

[violet plover]

No experimental had one more update:
Mods is allowed to have multiple versions for different game versions 😁

[sterile condor]

but that makes the mod twice fatter to download right ?

hmm...not necessarily, since the timbermesh files are common i guess 🤔

[violet plover]

Only relevant if the mod include the textures. But for your waterbeaver maybe better to have a seperate mod called "water beaver experimental"😜 and when its updated and replaces stable version you hide the experimental version.

But wonder how small your mod will be if it all uses timbermeh🤔

[sterile condor]

right now it's all timbermesh, and its like 250Mo i think 🤔

[violet plover]

It will be multiple asset files one for each version. So in a nut shell its just one zip with multiple versions of mods included to keep support of older versions of the game

[sterile condor]

pretty much every single model is a custom mesh

[violet plover]

And you have dummy materials for all your water beaver materials?

[sterile condor]

i think so, at least in unity, i think the real textures are still there in blender

[violet plover]

Because if not the actual material will still be included

[violet plover]

Thats fine as long as you only see colors when viewing the timbermeshes in unity

And no textures😉

Had problem before here i had not added a dummy and it then included the actual material and the preview in unity showed textures. Resulting in much bigger mod

[sterile condor]

@turbid crane sorry but i completely fail to see what is wrong with this setup

it keeps crashing once the first delivery is made

[turbid crane]

And if you remove the tower component? Without it, it will be just a regular manufactory. Will it work?

[sterile condor]

shouldn't i also remove the "block contamination range effect" and "modify growable growth range effect" ?

[turbid crane]

If you remove just the tower component, they range components won't do anything.

They are called by the tower. No tower - no calls.

[sterile condor]

uh ? that crashed too

without the tower

scritp

[turbid crane]

Which means, it's not the tower problem 🙂 I wish I could help, but I'm good with the code only. @violet plover is the master here.

How is it crashing? The error? (I can check the code and give hints)

[sterile condor]

oh so maybe i do need the workshop scrip

[sterile condor]

wait a sec

[turbid crane]

As far as I can tell from the code, Workshop is not added autimatically. So you likely need to add it.

[sterile condor]

Creating an exception game save
NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at Timberborn.Workshops.ProduceExecutor.StartProducing () [0x00000] in <252f1001554a44c38297035bb733e68d>:0 
  at Timberborn.Workshops.ProduceExecutor.Launch (System.Single maxProductionTimeInHours) [0x00077] in <252f1001554a44c38297035bb733e68d>:0 
  at Timberborn.Workshops.ProduceWorkplaceBehavior.Decide (Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorAgent agent) [0x0003c] in <252f1001554a44c38297035bb733e68d>:0 
  at Timberborn.WorkSystem.WorkerRootBehavior.WorkAtWorkplace () [0x00041] in <09add553ba1f459b94451f90cd023fe3>:0 
  at Timberborn.WorkSystem.WorkerRootBehavior.DecideAsWorker () [0x00023] in <09add553ba1f459b94451f90cd023fe3>:0 
  at Timberborn.WorkSystem.WorkerRootBehavior.Decide (Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorAgent agent) [0x00027] in <09add553ba1f459b94451f90cd023fe3>:0 
  at Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorManager.ProcessBehavior (Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.Behavior behavior) [0x00000] in <cd01a69d981c4502b93308cdd5944cac>:0 
  at Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorManager.ProcessBehaviors () [0x00058] in <cd01a69d981c4502b93308cdd5944cac>:0 
  at Timberborn.BehaviorSystem.BehaviorManager.Tick () [0x00016] in <cd01a69d981c4502b93308cdd5944cac>:0 
  at Timberborn.TickSystem.TickableComponent.StartAndTick () [0x00006] in <fde9ead03c2048d6949b2ac91a6dceda>:0 
  at Timberborn.TickSystem.MeteredTickableComponent.StartAndTick () [0x00013] in <fde9ead03c2048d6949b2ac91a6dceda>:0 
  at Timberborn.TickSystem.TickableEntity.TickTickableComponents () [0x00021] in <fde9ead03c2048d6949b2ac91a6dceda>:0 
  at Timberborn.TickSystem.TickableEntity.Tick () [0x00012] in <fde9ead03c2048d6949b2ac91a6dceda>:0 
Rethrow as Exception: Exception thrown while ticking entity c6da41dc-2182-4260-b3cb-3541be30e074 'BeaverAdultEkon'
[...]```

okay

i'm probably gonna have to go for today, but i'll try that this evening

[turbid crane]

    private void StartProducing()
    {
        _workshop.InformOfStartedWorking();
    }

You definitely need the workshop component.

[sterile condor]

ah, okay

makes much more sense

thanks !

[sterile condor]

https://tenor.com/view/frankenstein-its-alive-happy-excited-gif-5625959

it's alive ! it's alive !.

just one small oddity : the selector from toggleable reciepe doesn't display

like that

[violet plover]

Noice noice

[violet plover]

hmm have atlast been able to try verify the bug about powered irrigation towers crashing the game and i can not get it to crash 😦

would you be able to switch to experimental and see if it crashes and then drag here the error report zip or maybe find one from this date

This way we get the save that has problem and an error log what mods you have/had
My documents/Timberborn/Error reports

[violet plover]

one more report of crash with Timbercommon but have not found why
#🚀mod-users message

[violet plover]

@brave stump / @low moat have thought some and some want to slim down mods to only have parts of it in each mod
I'm thinking if it would be interesting like Irrigation tower separate out parts to enable certain building groups (Example Aqueduct)
I think I still will include all translation and model files in main mod but addon mods will enable them.
What do you 2 think is it some thing that's interesting / useful?

[brave stump]

I mean it never hurts to divide one giant mod into multiple smaller mods, as there might be people who don't want to use all features

[violet plover]

ya and if it in reality is just enable switches its little work to maintain so i think its a good compromise
and with mod sizes now being under 30mb i dont see a reason there to split it out 😛

[spark lava]

Can an addon mod enable/disable a building? (or would that just have the spec for it?)

if you're going to move the specs to a different mod, then why not move the translations and models too?

[violet plover]

As the models need to be inside assetbundles and will need to be updated more often i think its better to keep them in main mod.
Ya a mod can have specification to add a specific set of buildings 😉 thats how water extention irrigation towers is done
Its a manifest icon and specification no real assetbundle 😎

[spark lava]

so it's like splitting the mod into texture pack, model pack, and specs

[violet plover]

Ya little like that or

• main mod
• Enable feature mods 😉

[low moat]

Hmm, why ? Already have a mod that disable such features. I mean, if More Group mod is not installed, some items will be not visible ... Can be enough that most used items to be in the default groups.

[violet plover]

Thought of it as not all want to play with all items 🤔
But maybe better to do a lite mod that disables all but a few buildings 😉so default is current but if you want to have a lighter play it can be used and can even just uncomment remove of more/less buildings😉

[daring rune]

How is it ment this to work ? I placed a corner and another platform

[violet plover]

what you can do atm is use a overhang so the one in red come one more away and place a singel walled aquaduct piece there.
Will look at doing a decoration wall thats ofset so it can fill the void that will look like water can go out even if it in reality can not

waterblocking walls from 2 different buildings cant be in the same hex its a base game limitaiton that result in crash

[violet plover]

ya exacly it will be water tight even if it does not look like it

[daring rune]

I see it

[violet plover]

ya will need to do a decoration wall thats offset so you can use the same hex as the 1piece aquaduct was built on

[prisma cairn]

Why can't I build this on right side?
@violet plover

[violet plover]

It currently need support under it so its more of a last resort option

[prisma cairn]

Ok got it.

[violet plover]

And only one building at a time can have water blocking wall in the same hex as the full block is blocked from receiving water

[prisma cairn]

I can't build anything like this?

[violet plover]

Ya exacly 2 buildings would try block water in the same hex.
The red one use one with only one wall. Later i will release a few offset decoration walls to use so it looks correct

See how this blocks water
#1064976877170741328 message

[prisma cairn]

Okay got it. It will block the water but will look weird.

[violet plover]

Ya

Soon ™️ you have a decoration wall to have it look ok😉

[steady snow]

There a way to make it look good with other pieces

I've made some 1x1 on my p^revious map

[violet plover]

Ya true there is wall with a L on one side and with or withou wall on the other

[compact girder]

I'm questioning if I'm using the turbines properly, or if I'm just missing the proper use of them (like normal)

Mine are only averaging like 27hps, that average?

[coral swift]

You get up to 30 per cm/s so that would be about right

Like a Badwater source is 3cms so in a 3 wide channel with 3 turbines across you would get around 29 hp per turbine

If you funneled that 3 wide source into a 1 wide with 1 turbine you would get around 87-90 on that turbine

[valid mural]

Yep. DOing just one doesn't do a whole lot, but they're super space efficient, and are real powerhouses in bulk

[coral swift]

My current map is powered entirely through turbines hidden in aqueducts and it produces around 30khp during temperate and over 50khp during badtides, so yeah they are actually amazingly versatile and when used in groups can generate a LOT of power 😃

[violet plover]

hmm do i need to do them more expensive maybe

are they to op?

[coral swift]

I don't think they are op - when i first started experimenting I thought the power per turbine was way too low, but after some testing i thought they were well balanced.

I'm only able to generate so much power as I've compressed like 7 badwater and around 16 water sources on the map I'm using, and set up my aqueducts with multiple layers to stack turbines to generate more power. Most maps would be harder to generate as much power purely from turbines without elaborate stacking.

[naive wave]

Omg thank you. I just had an amazing idea for my current build

I kind of forgot about the turbines even tho I have the mod

[coral swift]

this is how i used them in one part of my map, i designed the aqueduct specifically to maximise power output

[naive wave]

Nice. Which map is this?

[naive wave]

I see your tunnels

[coral swift]

Here https://mod.io/g/timberborn/m/abandoned-factory - it's not on Steam as far as I could see. It was quite a challenge to harness all the water sources but I liked all the various buildings which I've adapted to various uses for the colony. Still have parts of the map to finish, but has been fun. Currently playing around with the pipes mod to add more of an industrial aesthetic to it hehe

[steady snow]

Can we have an aqueduct levee bloc? 😛

This feel bad

[violet plover]

Hmm you mean. Levee in red and back?
(Red trim back base)

[low moat]

Metallic levee block that cost metal to be built ? Sound awful, not bad. 😮 I like-it 😍

[spark lava]

Like a metal version of the levee / stone wall, nice idea

[violet plover]

there will be some work but doable

yepp will look good 🙂

Now the big dollar question smooth or ribbed metal 😛

[prisma cairn]

Ribbed. 😋

[violet plover]

ya it looks cool 🙂

ps this will later be included in decoration extention

[steady snow]

YES

[violet plover]

also ribbed version your intrerested of or is it smooth?

[steady snow]

ribbed!

[violet plover]

Wonder how nice they will be as aqueduct pillars 🤔 well will do full set as other blocks 😉

[naive wave]

Ribbed for our pleasure

[violet plover]

Mod updated 🥳

will also add a few example images on mod.io and steam 🙂

[naive wave]

NICE!

[prisma cairn]

Wow. You are awesome. Love your designs.

[daring rune]

My game crash when I place the basic water tower building

[violet plover]

looks like i did it wrong when trying to do some things for FT mid tower, will release an update soon

[violet plover]

Mod updated:

2.2.4

• Fix: better toggle for FT tier 2 irrigation tower
• Fix: crash on basic FT irrigation tower
  @daring rune

[daring rune]

That happens to the best of us

[violet plover]

Well i did the right thing....
Just to the wrong building 😜

[naive wave]

FYI all the IT water towers fully functional. Restocking etc

[compact girder]

I love updating mods without reading update notes and then playing the game of "Which mod added this???"

I feel like this mod is a safe bet, seems like something I'd find from Knatte xD

[violet plover]

Its from pipe mod 😉

[compact girder]

😮

[compact girder]

struggling with my first go at the deep sea pump, it says it must be flooded, but I don't actually need it to be... and it's causing such a water level flucuation, that it's flooding my area.

Am I doing it wrong? xD

Or is the lack of flooding it causing it to flood everything else?

[violet plover]

Well for it to work best it should be flooded and ya it removes alotbof water fast thats why its often placed inside a dam as there it should affect the things around less

[daring rune]

Hmm the medium tanks do not get filled up with extract

[violet plover]

Ya have gotten report that there was problems but no image of how it looks. Try to use your image to get what setting it should be.

It was set to treeboost and did not refill the extract right?

Or was it on watering and when switching it did not req extract

[daring rune]

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/5161025536818996/C1030E6199EFC57829B226F3C42785E0CBCFCF5D/

if that helps

never start to req extract

[daring rune]

🙂 9

First time built it

[naive wave]

Ya it wouldn't refill after initial fill. You could swap to regular then back to tree boost but it wouldnt refill again once it emptied

[daring rune]

mine never fill

[naive wave]

i have the big one running on U6, crops havent died yet

[violet plover]

think i have an idea why its not working.
it looks like the job to refill extract(fuel) is of the worker to refill

will have to rework the recipe to not use fuel and try again

just checking you both have haulers?

becasue when i try without haulers no good gets delivered but thats expected as no one has the job but if i emply one hauler it gets filled and refilled

if they are stuck on non refilling i need a save to see that i get it fixed as i can not reproduce it

[naive wave]

Are we referencing the new version or the old version that used extract? I have haulers for both. Just want to be on the same page

[violet plover]

Old new version? Its the tier 2 advance tower that uses extract that i have gotten reports that they do not refill.
But is not able to reproduce it so need more info or a save where it happens when loading to debug it

[naive wave]

I'll see if I can get you my save. It's u6 experimental

[spark lava]

Knatte.Aqueduct_Wall2.Description has an "Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS (line 108)"

jaJP and ruRU have the same unnecessary space

[spark lava]

The impact is "just" an extra message in the player log

[gray shore]

hi, I was wondering if the water towers "double" irrigate fields when they are near each other
as in that they both count it as one of their fields and thereby use more water

[violet plover]

what i know ya it uses double amount but igor that did the code can answer better.
or test it by adding a wall of dirt between and check the irrigation count for the towers before and after

[gray shore]

hm ok, is this the right channel for the towers anyways?

since they are their own mod in the workshop

[low moat]

That mod just enable the towers.

So, this is the channel.

[gray shore]

ok 👍
I was wondering which of these pipes is the yellow one that's mentioned in this towers description or am I missing something?

[violet plover]

🤔 O right thats canged so it uses all of them (block that need ground)

[gray shore]

ah ok

[silent estuary]

Just a quick question, but on the aqueduct floors, are they meant to snap to edge instead of center? The 3x3 and 5x5 are kinda interesting to put down in a raised aqueduct with that.

[violet plover]

The thought was that its easier to use if the snap point is at a corner🤔
Is that assumption wrong?

Like bridge long gaps with aqueduct wall on either side

[silent estuary]

My thought on that is that Badwater sources are 3x3 so making a raised aqueduct with those 3x3 floors has me put the pillar in a corner, which while it works, looks really weird.

[violet plover]

can you show a image how your thinking of using it even if extra support that you want to remove is there
(totally possible to do a version with center pivot)

[silent estuary]

I ended up going a different way with it, but heres what I was talking about:

You can see the Pillar on the edge there looks odd compared to the middle pillar thats also there. If I were to split the ducts from there, the Pillar would seem of centered. I could put a 3x3 on top of the pillar, but I think it looks better with the pillar model up to the floor.

Nothing world changing and it can be worked around. Just looks odd.

[violet plover]

hmm but would it really work as flood does not give support for walls

[spark lava]

hmm, Aqueduct tools now overflowing into the dynamite tools 😦

[violet plover]

Hmm you mean cant see all items in water tab?

[spark lava]

For example

This is without More Groups installed

[violet plover]

could do the same as in more group and if tapi is installed it moves them to a group

or disable some more items if more group is not installed

[sterile condor]

@turbid crane oooh, i just realized something that... probably was not intended.
since the water tower script works as a manufactory, the beaver working inside does not prioritize supplying but actually prefers running the reciepe, which... is not very good, since it often results in the water tower being empty at night 🤔

also i'm not entirely sure, but the reciepe runs faster with the beaver inside ? 🤔

yeah it constantly lets the tower go dry then goes fetch water

yeah, it goes twice faster with a worker

[turbid crane]

Hmm. The double speed can be a result of adding auto manufactory. I'll check. As for the prioritization, I don't think anything can be done here. The fertilizer tower is a manufactory, so all the normal logic applies to it. The IT tower, however, is not a manufactory.

[turbid crane]

Wait, are you making your own tower or using the Knatte's ones?

If it's your tower, check if you have ProductionIncreaser on it. If yes, remove it. Having this component will double the speed when a beaver is inside.

[sterile condor]

I'm making my own

[sterile condor]

I'll re-check if it's there but I don't think so

[turbid crane]

Basically, there must be no production executors when you use ManufactoryIrrigationTower. The tower is the executor by itself.

A normal manufactory usually has an executor. But tower is not a normal manufactory 🙂

[thin terrace]

I have an idea of quick and useful addition to this mod. More imp floors of different sizes like 2x2, 3x3, 4x4, 5x5, 2x3, ets

Just in case you can't aqueduct it

[violet plover]

there should exist 1x1, 1x5, 2x2, 3x3 and 5x5 but it need more groups mod to not spam the toolbar 😛

[naive wave]

i dont mind the selection there is. it gets wonky at times but at that point in the game im usually in an over abundance of production

[sterile condor]

@turbid crane is it safe to assume that timbercommon didn't survive the move to U7 ?

[violet plover]

Ya even if its just its depenency on timberapi

[turbid crane]

Timber commons depends on tapi. The latter is (was?) broken. Anyway, I'm on vacation as of now. Will be back on 02/21. I will give it a try. Smartpower was easy to switch.

[violet plover]

🎉 Power Editon released 😄
Power levees and turbines + levee waterwheel for Ironteeth

[vast owl]

So these powered pieces won't be included in the normal Water Extention mod anymore, and we need to download the power edition as well if we want them, right ?

[violet plover]

yes correct

[pliant sedge]

Do I need to download Water Extention to use Power Edition?

[violet plover]

no its standalone 🙂

as water extention is not yet updated to u7 it would have been bad to release it before if it was needed 😛

[thorn sand]

I was going to ask for greedybuilders, but you even beat me to it 🙂 Yay!

[naive wave]

Power levees work

[spark lava]

Could you add it to the top post too

[fathom moth]

I added these extension to my U7 play, but i cant seem to find them in the "bar". do i miss something?

[valid flint]

@fathom moth The powered levees and stuff show up in the Power tab. Did you restart the game after adding the mod? The game doesn't recognize changes to you mod list unless you restart. I know I've forgotten more than once.

[fathom moth]

@valid flint Yes i did restart the game. The power stuff is showing. only the irrigation towers not. and did verify my files multiple times

[violet plover]

well irrigation and main water extention is not updated for u7

[fathom moth]

Ah that explains xD then i did read something wrong i think 🤣

[violet plover]

Note emberpelt is broken for power edition

[low moat]

Replace the PrefabGroup for Emberpelts. Will don't have the turbine, but also, no crash.

[violet plover]

true

[pliant sedge]

*Sad Trombone*

[violet plover]

And now full mod😛

[violet plover]

Updated

[meager kraken]

@violet plover Bug when building turbines.

The hologram and half-built model are correctly placed, but the unbuilt model is not.
As seen in the last picture, which way it jumps depends on rotation.
If the unbuilt model is inside a block, it becomes impossible to select without first clicking on another unbuilt structure to show the holograms.

[violet plover]

will look into it

faction folktails?

[meager kraken]

Greedy builders currently. I'll run some quick tests, though.

FT: Bug present
IT: No bug.

[violet plover]

they use folktails version so its easy to check

[violet plover]

fixed steam and mod.io updated (was an easy fix and worked on an other mod)

[violet plover]

🥳 its updated for u7

[narrow nimbus]

thank you!

[narrow nimbus]

arg, where's the industrial water storage tank? I thought that was in this?

[violet plover]

What faction?

[low moat]

It's for IT

[narrow nimbus]

oh, damn, was hoping to get it for emberpelts

[violet plover]

well technically this should work if you add to the prefabgroup blueprint
"Knatte/Buildings/Storage/WaterTank/IndustWaterTank.Emberpelts",

it will give you a folktail colored water tank 😉

[narrow nimbus]

k, I'll look at that, thx

[low moat]

You may add this on your separate mod, to avoid break on Emberpelts update, or Water Extension update

[violet plover]

true true

[narrow nimbus]

ah

won't bother then ^_^

I guess this worked ^_^

uglier and takes far more resources, but worked 😉

[narrow nimbus]

tiny tubeway stations make nice elevators

[violet plover]

i may add it to all factions later, why keep it to our self 😛

[violet plover]

Aha emberpelt has the tank in dev mode

[narrow nimbus]

Dev mode is kinda abusing things though and gets people yelled at and refused help on this server. Adding it to all factions would be very nice, yes. thank you.

[violet plover]

ya its just for now until its finilised

looks good?

[narrow nimbus]

My vanilla solution, however, is a glaring fudge.

looks awesome!

[violet plover]

great will do some work on other parts that not got the correct colors then release it

[violet plover]

@narrow nimbus water extention is updated:
3.0.1

• Enable Water tank for emberpelt
• Update Color scheme for emberpelt

[narrow nimbus]

yay! ty!

[naive wave]

Nice

[narrow nimbus]

so nice to have a proper water tower for emberpelts ^_^

[narrow nimbus]

hehehe

tiny tubeway stations are helpful as well to make elevators 😉

a 7x3 area can store 24000 liquid that way. and with Emberpelts and all the kinds of juice they can make, that's huge 🙂

[icy bridge]

LORD HAVE MERCY

[narrow nimbus]

never enough storage for water and juice 😉

that at least comes close though

my totally lazy "I just want to build stuff" map :p

actually the FT and EP versions have another badwater spot near the right side, so it can have a rig stuck on it 😛

[icy bridge]

Feel like this would be a fun map for a stupid reason

[narrow nimbus]

it's a map that basically means "I just want to build stuff and not worry too much about it."

[icy bridge]

Yup

[spark lava]

fyi:

Localization file contains errors:
Unnecessary space at the end of column found in ...\water-extention-poweredition_4747084_1.0.3\version-0.7\Localizations\enUS.csv (line 108)

[thorn sand]

Is it intentional that the pipe inlet/outlet blocks can't sit on top of an impermeable floor? I was hoping to use the pipe outlet (H) to lift from one aqueduct to a slightly-higher one

obviously one can use a full tile below to make the impermeable floor the top of a terrain/levee block, but it seems weird that if they can lift right off of/dump onto the ground they can't lift off of/dump onto an aqueduct (or stock impermeable floor).

but maybe this is related to the same "do not place levees in hex above the outlet pipe or it will crash"

[thorn sand]

Also seems to be OK dumping onto the impermeable top of an Inverted Levee Slope block. Just not with the floor of an aqueduct or impermeable floor in a platform.

[violet plover]

Will look into it later

[thorn sand]

Thanks!

[violet plover]

ok can confirm that its not a limitation of the game but a "Wrong" config of the mod
Will do an update of the mod to allow this

[violet plover]

its now fixed 🙂

3.0.3

• Fix Pipe not allowing impermeable floor
• Wrong usage of block space of all pipes

[thorn sand]

Oh cool, you made it possible to double-platform over the intake side too. I'd just been using the pillars and an impermeable floor in the block above to cover that inlet square (when doing underground pipes, etc)

[violet plover]

ya may poke trought so i may update the animation some at a later date

but its not critical or so 😛

[thorn sand]

Ooh, and that also let me pack things down enough to finally fit all the lift pumps for the waterfall under the mountain: #📷screenshots message

[spark lava]

Water Extention PowerEdition: Unnecessary space at the end of column found in enUS (line 108)

[violet plover]

Atlast its released working with both stable and experimental

[magic spruce]

YES! WE'RE BLOODY BACK!

[violet plover]

Known issue:
Water tank do not display anu icon of good in storage

[violet plover]

Something to think about, pump to transfer manually from one side to the next
early game
not fast just transfer

[violet plover]

can we use any animation of beaver with the tail?

a smaller wheel to stand inside?

[low moat]

Wait, a hamster wheel, but on water, to move water 😍

[violet plover]

ya something like that 😛 or standing on the levee with the wheel and moves water under it 😛

[low moat]

My variant don't need new animation 😛

[violet plover]

so combine a waterwheel and a hamserwheel and have it transfer but how to have it move past a levee im thinking a screw or piston movement is needed

or some artaption of multiple buckets 😛

[low moat]

or , something like mechanized water pump, but with the hamster wheel on it

[violet plover]

or like this but with a pipe to the other side

[violet plover]

well i want it to be early game before you get metal 😉

😮

[low moat]

No need metal, just the intake and outake connected to the hamster wheel. Nothing more.

[violet plover]

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/1294/noria-history

[thorn sand]

https://fyfluiddynamics.com/2023/12/a-working-wirtz-pump/

including this fairly iron-teeth looking working example from somebody's garden:

wirtz pumps are very low flow but can push quite high pressures (so you can lift a small flow a very long way)

basically, you get to multiply the height of the spiral by the number of turns in the spiral, and that's the head (height) it can lift

I've also wished before that the pump outlet (H) was an archimedes screw instead of a piston. Just seems more beaver-y since they are basically barrel work:

and could maybe be modeled like a 2:1 (30-40° is optimal) stairs that could link end-to-end to make higher lifts (each non-flooded segment should cost power of course, it's heavier to turn the longer it gets since you're raising water all along its length

[violet plover]

ya looking like that will do the trick more and more 😛 like the last image most 😉

[thorn sand]

you just set it at an angle and turn the whole barrel. The water then flows along the internal "threads", and the bottom takes a fresh scoop

it can't work above 45° since the water could then flow back down the spiral

but shallower than that and it can't get over the center line to get into the next lower flute , so the turning draws it upward

[meager kraken]

For efficiency reasons, it should be between 30° and 35°.

[thorn sand]

modern examples sometimes turn just the screw against a fixed trough (leaving the top open). This gets you less drag from water flowing along the barrel, but then you need a strong axle, and you have to seal that sliding edge somehow. Ancient ones tended to just be the whole barrel style, which is much easier to construct since it's just barrel staves and maybe some pitch/resin to seal cracks.

depends on the number of blades and the pitch of the screw, but for timberborn purposes say it should per 2 long : 1 high and call that close enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO925lmpylQ&t=15s found a good clip of þe ancient style

[prisma cairn]

@violet plover Isn't Industrial Water tank stackable?

[sweet zealot]

Is stackable:

[narrow nimbus]

yup, just need the platform between entrances

[prisma cairn]

Yup. I didn't add that. 😅

[narrow nimbus]

hehehe

[thorn sand]

The gauge on the Industrial Water tank doesn't seem to be updating in U7: #1377606620342648832 message

Maybe that's known, certainly not a big deal, but I don't use the building too often and hadn't noticed before

[violet plover]

ya has not moved since a few versions as is a different system so its harder to show

think it broke when u6 came 😛

[thorn sand]

Ok. Not a big deal, but bobbingabout was trying to figure out how to something similar (storage with an external gauge) for his Leafcoats, and I was going to point to your example

and then I noticed it didn't actually update anymore

and I didn't find it mentioned in the thread

[low moat]

Maybe a transparent roof (like lapan gorgeus storages), to see the liquid inside ❓ 🤔

[violet plover]

like a grill and see inside maybe

but that is nothing i will look at in a while maybe after summer

[thorn sand]

No problem. Maybe if bobing figures something out he can pass that to you instead

[narrow nimbus]

hunh, never knew it was intended to be a gauge lol 😛

[icy bridge]

Just a thout why not have this where you place it and if you want more storage you just place like a storage extender on it

[vast owl]

Hey Knatte, I tried making a new Greedy Embers game after you updated your mods to support that faction and it seems like the Power Edition doesn't provide Greedy Embers with the Small Turbine. It doesn't appear in my game, at least. Is that by design?

[violet plover]

ya i added Emberpelts version but thats set to only show in ||Devmode||
Will look at fixing it very soon (faster fix)

[violet plover]

does it look like a real emberpelts building?

Mod updated and its now added both to Emberpelts and GreedyEmbers

[vast owl]

Thanks for the quick fix! The turbine looks great in this palette.

[cyan fractal]

excuse me, but I cannot understand this description
'Do not place Levees in hex above the Output Pipe! it will crash!'
Does that mean I can't stack levees over 'pipe in the middle of levee'?

[sweet zealot]

I think it means just literally do not place any Levees directly above the Output Pipes. It did lead also for me back then on U5 to crashes.

Like do not place a Platform height 1 and then Levee, that crashes.
You need at least one block of space between of the Pipe and the Levee

[violet plover]

Not in the slpt right bobe correct, 2 high no problem

[silver mist]

Just noticed that water extension power requires the material mod too. Just wondering what material it uses?

[violet plover]

there is a hidden building that was started but not yet taken to finish
but hopefully i have time in the summer to work on it 🙂

[livid crow]

Neat!

[brave stump]

its the start of an airplane😏

[livid crow]

I do beleive waterwheels and windmills inspired the early plane designs.

At least the ones that worked.

[pliant sedge]

🤩

[icy bridge]

The world may never know

[last bison]

Can someone explain how to get use of the irrigation towers, I build them, they get filled but I’m not seeing any fertilised land around them.

[violet plover]

Note that some mods that affect if ground is needed break them
also only irrigates the same level as they are built

so as a test i would disable all mods but the irrigation mod and its dependencys and try a new map and place it using ||dev mode (Hold ctlr to place built)||
this to verify that its not some other mod breaking it

[last bison]

So does the tower need to be placed on already irrigated land and then obviously gets supplied with water by carriers

[violet plover]

No only need any dirt and then if it gets water it will irrigate out from the pipes. Know that any mod that does so it can be placed on not dirt will break the mod!

[prisma cairn]

@violet plover Beautiful Dam pieces are not working.

[violet plover]

decoration blocks never block water try a levee instead

[prisma cairn]

Okay got it.

[zinc mesa]

@violet plover - Hi! I had a silly but hopefully fun idea. How about a low cost, low speed pump that’s essentially a “beaver with a hand pump/buckets” for early game fun? I was thinking it could be similar to a gathering spot and pump a single block height one side to the other. I’m sure it would helpful for cleaning up those first few accidental floods 😁

[violet plover]

There has been some thoughts about it #1064976877170741328 message
But have had yo much going on irl to work on it

[violet plover]

WIP:
will also "lower" the cost of turbine to:

• 1 Log
• 12 Planks
• 3 PineResin

this to not have to have different recipe for emberpelts and allow it little earlier in the game.

[violet plover]

Mod updated (Power edition)

• Added Big turbine
• Fix emberpelts
• Update price of turbine to use more planks and some PineResin instead of treated planks

[sterile condor]

noice !

[violet plover]

Mod updated 🎉

[low moat]

Really ❓ 🤣 🌊

[violet plover]

ya

will look into it should be an easy fix

[low moat]

Will be nice since it's odd to pump only on a dry ocean floor ....

[violet plover]

ya its just one spec that was renamed and then removed so its an easy fix (caused by game update)

[violet plover]

Dam only fixed Folktails, will do it and emberpelts 2

[low moat]

I was on IT 🤪

[violet plover]

ya....

remembered just after pressed upload

@low moat its now uploaded, the correct fix 🙂

[low moat]

TY .

[prisma cairn]

@violet plover Game is crahing when starting new game with emberpelts.

Full log:

[violet plover]

Water extention is yet not updated!

Hot fix should be to edit building collection and change ", > .blueprint", or wait for later today - tomorrow

[prisma cairn]

Okay got it blueprint folder removal.
I really don't understand why game devs made this change.

[half finch]

I eagerly await your update, thank you in advance.

[violet plover]

Mod updated (Water extention)

1.0.1.0

• Update to 1.0.5.x for the game
• Fix crash if more group not enabled

@low moat @prisma cairn @half finch

[valid flint]

So I just encountered a crash in my current game that only happens when I have an underground pipe from your mod turned on. It's been built for several cycles but not running while I ran power to it and dug a drainage tunnel. But as soon as it starts pumping it crashes. At first I though it was from being set to pump only bad water (I'm trying to use it to filter out Badtides from the seep on the Oasis map), but I switched it to just pump whatever and it immediately crashed. I do have 24 other mods going but the only ones that deals with water is OldGophers Pipe and your PowerEdition. I don't even have TimberCommons running.

[valid flint]

Ok I figured it out! the out flow pipe can not be covered with a Levee

[valid flint]

This is a test set up that I ran with just this mod and its dependencies and the groups mod. Having a levee directly over the outflow crashes it. Having an impermeable floor there instead does not cause a crash. I didn't test it with dirt. The goal of the build on my original map was to pump bad water to an underground tunnel during Badtides. I lined the tunnel with levees to stop it from contaminating the ground above it. I will try swapping the levee above the outflow to an impermeable floor and see if anything else breaks.

[valid flint]

Ok. Impermeables don't crash the game but they do stop the pumps from pumping. I put a 2 high plat form above and that got it going.

also I found a graphical glitch with the 15 long pipe.

[violet plover]

Its a limitation of the game nothing i can do

[violet plover]

Ps did i not add a info on the buildings to not place levee above pipe?

[low moat]

for both steam and ModIO, the answer is .... where ? I cannot find .

[violet plover]

Description ingame of the building 🤔

Should have it 🤔

[low moat]

Oh, sorry, since sluices I never use pipes 😮

[violet plover]

Np

[low moat]

BTW, you should replace in mod description Golem with Bot 🤣

[violet plover]

Golem??

[valid flint]

Maybe I should read the item descriptions more .

[violet plover]

We live and we learn😎

[steady dust]

[violet plover]

hmm Progress?

[violet plover]

do you all think efficient Irrigation should affect only trees or also plants? or do we have beehives for plants

1 Bee+irrigation
2 Bee
3 irrigation
4 normal

[low moat]

If trees are not plants 🤔

[violet plover]

planted at the same time

if it should affect plants too then i will update the text on the building to match

[low moat]

Make sense, unless you choose that mature tree gives scrap metal instead of logs ...

[violet plover]

naa

[violet plover]

🎉

[half finch]

@violet plover Hi, do your latest updates also work with version 1.0.5 of the game? I haven't dared to update yet because I don't want to lose some mods that aren't very active.

[violet plover]

not 100% sure if it was 1.0.5 or 1.0.6 that needed mods to be rebuilt with new unity version🤔

[half finch]

It's the 1.0.6

They changed the Unity version

Unity Engine was updated to version 6000.3.0f1.

It's from the steam post for the small update

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1062090/view/560265191314423831

[violet plover]

Ok then it will not work 🤔
Copy game folder and copy current installed mods so you can revert if needed?

[half finch]

@violet plover Thx for the feedback

I'm having fun with the mod Pipes from @brisk vortex but he seems not to be very active lately

That's the main reason why I'm waiting to update

[violet plover]

My mods of version 10 is for pre 1.0.6 (1.0.0-1.0.5)

[spark lava]

fwiw, it looks like the assetbundle is now missing for mac, but I'm guessing that it's empty?

[violet plover]

ya mac build support was not installed for new unity version, working on a fix

[spark lava]

are there assets in the bundle?

just DeepSeePipeSegment.Common?

btw, I'm busy adding a startup check for this:

Not found: ...\Timberborn\Mods\water-extention_2410526_1.0.1.2\version-1.0.0\AssetBundles\water extention_mac

[violet plover]

just the pipesegment as its a prefab all other is outside

[spark lava]

I also shortened the blueprint deserialization warnings. They now have the number of times the warning was generated before the warning:

[spark lava]

nit: The file changelog version metadata is missing for the 1.0.1.0 file on mod.io

It's (probably) also wrong for the 1.0.0, 1.0.1, 1.0.0.2, 1.0.3 versions (says compatible up to 1.0.9.9, but should probably be 1.0.4.9?)

[prisma cairn]

@violet plover When placing big turbine the game crashes sometime.
You don't have to even place it you just hover the big turbine after selecting from toolbar.
It doesn't happen every time.

[violet plover]

faction?

found it was that it want to be able to drag and then it crashes as its bigger than 1x1x1

will see if i can allow drag only in one way

Water extention power edition updated 1.0.1.2

• fix crash of big turbine
  @prisma cairn

[prisma cairn]

Awesome so fast. 👍👍

[violet plover]

when i noted what reason for crash then it was an easy fix 🙂

[frank gull]

Hello dear lord,
I happened to stumble on a crash like so :
ArgumentException: Blueprint not found at path:
Knatte/Buildings/Power/LargeWaterWheelLevee/LargeWaterWheelLevee.IronTeeth
Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.SpecService.GetBlueprint (System.String blueprintPath) (at <a01f4f7c080b48e99fd18e6ab4076b33>:0)
Timberborn.TemplateCollectionSystem.TemplateCollectionService.<Load>b__7_2 (Timberborn.BlueprintSystem.AssetRef1[T] asset) (at <4031224ef5ea43fd96813d8304088252>:0) System.Linq.Enumerable+SelectEnumerableIterator2[TSource,TResult].MoveNext () (at <6faa6124236442759eb396cfbfdad508>:0)
System.Collections.Generic.List1[T].AddEnumerable (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable1[T] enumerable) (at <1eb9db207454431c84a47bcd81e79c37>:0)
System.Collections.Generic.List1[T].InsertRange (System.Int32 index, System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable1[T] collection) (at <1eb9db207454431c84a47bcd81e79c37>:0)
System.Collections.Generic.List1[T].AddRange (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable1[T] collection) (at <1eb9db207454431c84a47bcd81e79c37>:0)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Timberborn.TemplateCollectionSystem.TemplateCollectionService.Load_Patch2(Timberborn.TemplateCollectionSystem.TemplateCollectionService)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.LoadSingletons () (at <701c66583d9b4105ad2305b5411ba7e1>:0)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleService.LoadAll () (at <701c66583d9b4105ad2305b5411ba7e1>:0)
Timberborn.SingletonSystem.SingletonLifecycleUnityAdapter.Start () (at <701c66583d9b4105ad2305b5411ba7e1>:0)
I've updated water extension to last version as well as power edition (which i both like because turbines and easyrrigation) but it seems to still crash the game so maybe it's worth notifying here ?
Thanks for your mods, it's awesome to have them !
Robin

Ok, there is no collapsible markup on discord maybe XD

[violet plover]

have you verified game files?

[frank gull]

Could the game even work with faulty game files ?

[violet plover]

there is code marks:
`

(3 before and 3 after)

[violet plover]

verifify gamefiles force steam to update mods

[frank gull]

Gog user there, fighting against the capitalism system and eating pasta and all, i'm extreme !

XD

But i'll try checking game fils

After checking, it redownloaded a thingy and then crashed again at the laoding of a game

But water extension is working fine, but power edition is not

[violet plover]

wait its power edition
did an update to that recently what version do you have of the mod?

[frank gull]

hmmmm, 10.0.0.0.something i think

10.0.2

[violet plover]

should be one starting with 1.0
try update/reinstall it

10.x is for game version up to V1.0.4.9

[frank gull]

Witchcraft !

there is mysterious magic at work there, i don't understand anything with version numbers XD

I'm sorry having bothered you, updating was all that was necessary

Thank you for your help, it work now

now, i can turbine my way out of my game !

They thank you with all their beavery hearts !

[violet plover]

no problem happy to help 🙂

[frank gull]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay !

Big turbines !

[frank gull]

Is it normal that placing big turbine is a bit finnicky ?

[meager kraken]

How so?

[frank gull]

Hmmm ...

how to explain

(my english is far from good enough for that)

Lest say, if i want to place big turbines in a row, i click and ... slide ?

drag ?

but when i drag in one direction, it's okay

when i drag in the other, it's ... bad ?

like, it want to place the turbine 90° axis from my movement

so, all in all, i just go from stoping point to starting point and it work

but i feel like it should go both ways

i'm not sure if that's clear

[violet plover]

ya im just happy it can be draged and not need to be placed one at a time, just find the pos to draw from
left to right or right to left may do a difference

[frank gull]

ok, so that's already known

If it's documented, then it's a feature

[frank gull]

A used feature ! Thanks for that 😄

[violet plover]

Noice

[violet plover]

Think i have something to work on 😛

[naive wave]

Iykyk

[violet plover]

🎉

@unborn vortex BadwaterDischarge for Folktails now included in latest update of water extention 🎉

[unborn vortex]

ohhhhhh

thank you!

[unborn vortex]

also, @violet plover (sorry for ping), but the new big version of your turbines from the "water extention poweredition" mod are a little op. they are 1x3 instead of 2x3 like normal whaterwheel, but generate the same power meaning you can literally double your output just by building those instead of normal waterwheels. so idk what you wana do with this info. you can balance it or leave it, i dont realy care, im still gona use them either way lol.

just wanted to let you know.

[unborn vortex]

you got my vote on the golden log awards for best modder of 2025😉

[turbid crane]

@violet plover After the last update:

Exception: Aqueduct_Sluice.IronTeeth(Clone) BlockObjectSpec Blocks must contain at least one element

[violet plover]

Ya all building mods is broken

[loud oxide]

i am not getting any power to the water/irrigation towers that require power. i am on version 1.0.1.4 of the mod.

[violet plover]

Ok will look into it

[frank gull]

Ouuuh, nice, can i have one ?

[frank gull]

That is really a huge improvement ! Like inifinite power 😄

[frank gull]

To be fair, even the little turbine where absolutely op, whatever their power anyway. Just a trench with a badwater discharge and there you go on infinite power. In fact, now that there are geothermal generators, i'm thinking about a new building in water extension : a badwater turbine that act as a badwater discharge but with a big turbine on top 😄

[frank gull]

So it happens that i have stumbled on a bug :
What's strange is that it's triggered byt water extension power edition and ... oldgopher's pipe ^^' Two mods working on water !

I really hope i messed up somewhere

So that's it's not a bug

[violet plover]

verify that you have the lastest version of the mod error points to its not using latest version

if using steam use the steam update mod or verify game files

[frank gull]

I updated just an hour ago ?

I'm using mod manager and mod.io

[violet plover]

hmm what version does it say you have?

[frank gull]

beaver santa updated mod manager for me because he's so nice

1.0.1.2

[violet plover]

weird that should be the fixed version but try remove the mod and reinstall

could be that some old files still exist and thats used

[frank gull]

Hmmmmmmm, but why would it do that on Pipe mod too ?

[violet plover]

the bug/error is becasue of base game updated v 1.0.7.x broke all building mods

and if the game still uses those files you will get that type of error

[frank gull]

Ouuuh, bad

But i don't know why

you were right about it

there were probably old files

Ok, so the same manip' on pip mod don't fix it so too bad

But really thanks a lot for your help

[violet plover]

working on irrigation tower
and did some water usage test and wondering if the big tower should use little less water/block or if its fine as it cover alot of area

Parameters:

2 Water, 1 block to irrigate:

FT

* FT1                111D 20H
* FTV2_W             280D 13H
* FTV2_Boost         224D 6H
* BigIT_FT           124D 16H

IT

* IT1                111D 20H
* ITV2_Old           175D 8H
* ITV2_W             275D 2H
* ITV2_Block         220D 17H
* BigIT_IT           124D 16H

what do you say @low moat? is the big water tower still better than V2 if it uses more water than V2?

[frank gull]

2 water irrigate 1 block for 280days and 13h ?

[violet plover]

so if it only irrigates 1 block it uses less water/h

and Folktails V2 in water mode irrigates one block for 280 days 13h

[low moat]

Hard to say, but, guess that will be OK. Sure, a real test will be to compare the usage wit something similar with underground irrigation tunnels for the same area (to account the evaporation), and, the water usage should be slightly higher to compensate the pain of building underground tunnels. But, the question is who will do such a test? Sure not me 😢

[final quartz]

Hi, how i can connect power to big tower? I tried every possible way and nothing works.

[violet plover]

Broken atm will release an update for it today

[violet plover]

@final quartz @loud oxide its now fixed update the mod to 1.0.0.3 and you should get power
note to get the block contamination you need to replace the irrigation tower

[loud oxide]

Thanks @violet plover!! Appreciate it as always

[steady snow]

Not sure you can "fix" this, but the bad watter texture seems to warp arrround the big turbines

[violet plover]

Water extention is updated:

1.0.1.5

• Update to 1.0.8.x for the game

[silent sorrel]

For me the mod isn't listed on mod.io anymore. Anybody else? Could it be this problem mentioned from here on? #1070709592176197642 message

[violet plover]

same for me as @turbid crane its marked as if it has virus
not sure why

its a problem with mod.io

support ticket opened to get it cleared (https://support.mod.io/hc/en-us/requests/new)

[violet plover]

Water extention is now also updated on mod.io, was problem with the site before.
@silent sorrel

[narrow nimbus]

nice to have the stackable tanks back 🙂

[frank gull]

i'm sad i'm barely able to play to use all that 😢

[unborn vortex]

the large turbines are still crazy op: (image 1 = height 9, image 2 = height 13)

and all underground

[steady snow]

If I remember, the beaver maintaining Timbercommons do look at this thread:
Latest update broke it:
09:36:58 TimberCommons: Failed to start from ...\1062090\3337906807\version-1.0 after 00:00:00.0009996

[turbid crane]

This is now fixed.

What do you, folks, think about sluice deprecation? Even though we can setup it with automation now, I really liked that component. In fact, it was once existing as "Valve" in this mod. Maybe we should bring it back to whose who likes the old behavior?

[livid crow]

Luke already brought it back.

As a new asset even.

[turbid crane]

In which mod did he do it? 🙂

[livid crow]

#1478245263175979008 message

[turbid crane]

Looking at how fast Luke makes a lot of mods, I start thinking he is not a human. Maybe a sentient AI?

[livid crow]

Perhaps? But if so... faith? Rare in many AI civilizations.

Or if one thinks more sinisterly, it is a ruse to throw people off. 😛

[turbid crane]

Or maybe he (it? they??) knows something which we only can guess 🤣

[livid crow]

🤣

[steady snow]

Awesome, thank you

[prisma cairn]

@violet plover Turbines have this cosmetic issue.

[steady snow]

Pretty sure this should be positive 😛

standart ireigation tower

[violet plover]

Verified game files?

[steady snow]

I will ... once I beat the 50cycle achivment

Almost there

[meager kraken]

Missing UI Message:
Turbines, Emberpelts