spoiler-chat

[real niche]

The first one isn't awful, these seem like really early convos

[jovial relic]

So I guess there's not a planned "fix" for the Triad KIM chat stalling.

[feral barn]

When was your last convo?

[flat pilot]

how tho, is it for devils triad?

[blazing gulch]

yesterday

[blazing gulch]

yes ;-;

[feral barn]

And today there was no Kim chats? Have you done a mission to reset the Kim chat?

[blazing gulch]

i was this🤏 close to get the loid and entrati family completed ;-;

[blazing gulch]

Not at all, i still have my rank

[jovial relic]

Guess we're all never getting our Triad convo chains finished until DE returns for actual hotfixes.

[feral barn]

I don't meant reset the triad, I mean reset the Kim chat system by doing a random mission to see if you do get new chats or not

[blazing gulch]

Oh

Yeah i did it

[flat pilot]

weird i was going to screenshot the latest convo that i had with roathe, that i JUST had, but its not the same convo i had with him??how

[feral barn]

Hmm, then you're either bugged or something else is going on

[feral barn]

Bug

[flat pilot]

thats weird

[unreal field]

If Roathe doesn't want to cooperate he can just sit there and mope until I get all my Lyon date scenes. XP

[brazen cloud]

yeah i got bugged like that too. it changed up a convo i had 3 convos prior to the one i had last, and he refuses to talk past.

[blazing gulch]

this is my last one

[jovial relic]

I might just refuse to actually play the game until another half-dozen hotfixes drop or so.

I'm not keen on being forced to restart my chain with the Triad just because something borked.

[brazen cloud]

i imagine DE will hotfix later down the line and set us back to the conversations we were on, the data should be on our profiles

....unless this is meant to happen

[jovial relic]

It's not. The KIMulacrum tree indicates otherwise

[blazing gulch]

It's all the evil DE plan to make us dependant of them

[brazen cloud]

was thinking this was a plot thing from MITW to stop us from achieving ultimate goal of good friendship

[blazing gulch]

WALLY!

[jovial relic]

Nope, all bugs, no logic

[blazing gulch]

shhh! is all Wally's plan

[brazen cloud]

my thoughts were that normally onesuch bug would occur on one specific chat message's coding being off. but now it seems like people have various answers changed between them.

[jovial relic]

Wally needs a smacc, then. I'm tired of following the rules and being punished for it -.-

[blazing gulch]

My convos are good, just NOT ALL OF THE UNLOCKED ;-;

Wally's gonna pay for it

[eager dagger]

Nothing worse then DE being gone during a buggy release worse then they’re back for a day and nothing

[pastel pasture]

got killed in archon hunt and dropped the key. the dude picked it up and left me....

[tight fulcrum]

I feel like the duviri paradox should be reworked since it’s no longer an alternate start to the game

[hearty pendant]

it had the big tutorial aspect removed from it already
the quest's fine, for the most part. still way too early though

[heady dew]

How do I make Roathe not be Anathema with me

Do I have to do the Descendia a certain number of times

[tight fulcrum]

I wouldn’t say way too early. You just need to move it right after the new war

[hearty pendant]

depends on what is causing the anathema
the most common one is not doing descendia 21 times, though

[hearty pendant]

you can currently access duviri before natah

[tight fulcrum]

romance with an orokin that actually worked out???

that can happen???

[shell palm]

Yes mostly because I redeemed him

[pastel pasture]

they should add a 3rd playable character

[tight fulcrum]

Kahl

[pastel pasture]

the reality where Operator is an old person.

[tight fulcrum]

That’s just the drifter

[pastel pasture]

or maybe a baby. those are the two ages we dont have yet

[pastel pasture]

Operator is kid
Drifter is adult
we need old person

[tight fulcrum]

Maybe one that’s the Warframe itself kind of like Umbra

[pastel pasture]

old person can date grandmother

[tight fulcrum]

Why is that something you want to do?

[brazen cloud]

retirement home update, with newly introduced meleeweapon; walking cane. and secondary throwing weapon, la chancla.

la chancla comes with a passive effect to where it always homes in on target's head

[pastel pasture]

we need a caliban protoframe

maybe with tau. it'd be really funny if Entrati went to tau and immediately starting going door to door with a serum seeing who wanted it

[peak heath]

Interesting bug, the tree doesn't progress and says Lyon went offline. I assume I can probably fix this somehow.

[brazen cloud]

i mean, thus far Entrati traveled to the past, and the further past.

we're either getting the further further past next as to his story, or future.

[pastel pasture]

Didnt he say he was going to tau

[brazen cloud]

imagine caveman frame with exalted weapon being a bone club

[pastel pasture]

summons dinosaur

[brazen cloud]

throw rock

[full violet]

did i do something wrong, i just started my romance with roathe and now it says marie is at an anathema with me?

[brazen cloud]

kim is a bit bugged atm. patch may fix if its no trigger in the conversation

[peak heath]

Interestingly leaving the room and re-entering presented me with this dialogue instead. Also French pastries surviving however so many apocalypses is funny to me.

I'm assuming the triad members don't move in like the Hex do.

[hearty pendant]

looks intentional, but odd
that line shows up if ||RoatheVillain or RoatheVillain and RoatheFamilyDelay|| are true, then it checks for results from Marie and Lyon, but there's no "false" option. if you haven't failed or succeeded with either of them, the convo just ends

[full violet]

side note, how do I see the "cutscene"

[hearty pendant]

they do not, that's why you get captura scenes with them instead

[noble totem]

Now that I’ve finished the hex, every time the date hits 2000 will the events and reset just play out again?

[peak heath]

Oh so you're saying || Roathe is going to do some slasher shit? ||

[brazen cloud]

date cutscene?

||go to them in person and pick "share some time alone" option. can be done once a week||

[hearty pendant]

yea basically, just offscreen, for the most part
the calendar resets every 4 weeks

[full violet]

I don't have that yet for roathe?

[noble totem]

Oh ok

[full violet]

is it because it's still at close and i just started the romance?

[hearty pendant]

well, ||that's why reunite is in quotation marks, isn't it?||

[peak heath]

|| Is there a way to salvage this to prevent damage to the upstairs Entrati's and Loid? ||

[brazen cloud]

may be related to that

[full violet]

||im glad eleanor approves||

[brazen cloud]

||im dating her too, best girl ||

[full violet]

||I got a message from her approving but being upset that she can't meet him lol||

||I was upset she was about to like bite my head off||

but we're all good

[heady dew]

So does roathe just not work? Someone told me that you literally have to reset the Triad just to finish the bond with Roathe. I am at Anathema with him right now and have been for a few days. I just finished my 21 runs of Descendia though but I’m still at Anathema. Will he maybe talk to me after daily reset tomorrow or do I just have to restart the entire Triad?

[hearty pendant]

||if Lyon or Marie haven't given you an opportunity to help Roathe again, all you can do is reset||
but you might want to wait, could be bugs around

[hearty pendant]

might talk to you tomorrow

[serene isle]

It's a proto frame serum bargain sale

[worn fjord]

Grey help me out, which sounds more plausible - || Killing Wally or stopping Wally ||

[heady dew]

Lyon and Marie havent offered to help me officially yet and I have completed their bonds, they didnt message me today so I’m fairly certain I’m done with their bonds

[brazen cloud]

none of the protoframes talk to me anymore, all best friended tho. so i imagine mine's just bugged and gotta wait for hotfix

or technically at this rate coldfix.

[open monolith]

hey guys roath kim question ||is it bugged? i didn't receive the lyonRoathFail convesation||

[worn fjord]

And yea I’m referring to the R5 Roathe convo

[open monolith]

lol i am so slow at typing

[hearty pendant]

if roathe doesn't send anything tomorrow, could be a bug or some other issue. just have to find out then

[heady dew]

His Anathema said I wont be able yo go any further unless I go into the descendia. Someone said an anathema might just mean a reset is necessary but thats not what his profile says

[hearty pendant]

don't think i've gotten that one
my first instinct is stopping, but i'm not sure

[heady dew]

And the closest I have come to talking about him and doing something is the conversation with Marie about having Roathe help with the family upstairs

[formal fable]

For roathe need to do descendia in order to get unblock

[worn fjord]

I’m so torn on what to reply lol let me ask Sparrow 😂

[formal fable]

21 timea to kill him

[hearty pendant]

if you just finished the 21 runs today, then you should get a convo tomorrow
if they were already done, it could require a reset

[tight fulcrum]

Why are y’all using the grey boxes we’re in spoiler chat

[heady dew]

I finished them like not even 30 minutes ago

[hearty pendant]

yea, should get something tomorrow then
not something to worry about atm

[heady dew]

I know I did cuz i got the honoria for it

[fading current]

Huh…was going after Roathe and somehow ended up being with Marie and feeling excited about it.
This happened with the hex. I was originally gonna go for Arthur but Amir pulled me in.

Roathe the second I walked up to him: “that woman is too kind for her own good. Abuse it? And I shall break every bone in your body. Twice over. Got it?”

And immediately followed up talking about multiple partners being common during orokin times.
Sir💀💀

[dense sorrel]

Is it normal for Roathe to become locked when you have Lyon and Marie on board to help with reuniting the family? Roathe is also on board and in his notes it mentions that it will take time

[winged ore]

you're basically waiting for a bugged cutscene

[winged ore]

just wait for DE to patch this

[hearty pendant]

shouldn't be too much longer, they came back from their break today

[dense sorrel]

Figured as much, just wanted to double check. Cause I can either lock him now or if I turn on seeing all the KIM messages and quite out I can get a message lol

[peak heath]

It seems that there are snares in place such that if I reset he will know and will not trust me like he has this time around.

How do I trigger Roathe repair?

[fiery oyster]

yeah so I dont have anymore convos with any of the Triad

I'm close with Roathe

am I gonna have to reset?

[misty veldt]

Descendia is probably what you need to do?

[obtuse gyro]

beat him up in his head

[fiery oyster]

I've done Descendia

[obtuse gyro]

did you get all 21 voice messages

[fiery oyster]

lemme count em manually lol

yeah all 21

[hearty pendant]

triggered by a chain of LyonRoatheFail into MarieRoatheFail into RoatheRepair. Most Roathe failstates trigger the Lyon convo, but LyonRoatheFail seems like it doesn't trigger a second time if it was used for RoatheFailNot21

[fiery oyster]

I wish it was obvious as to where I messed up

I feel like I did every convo right

[obtuse gyro]

how about you do another descendia

[fiery oyster]

I've done it 22 times now

yeah idk if its bugged or not

[hearty pendant]

what were your last few chats w/ roathe?

[fiery oyster]

those

[hearty pendant]

did you get the lyon chat that told you to go back into descendia?

[peak heath]

I don't think RoathVillian is a failstate. I think it's pretty set. Because he was the first I had convinced to help mend the family.

[hearty pendant]

yeah, i think you will need the reset, unfortunately
||i believe its best to be upfront with him about the reset, as he will Know. your work in descendia goes beyond the surface thoughts that you are able to reset||

[fiery oyster]

does resetting reset all of them?

[hearty pendant]

the triad, yes

[peak heath]

By the way, how does the thermostat counter work? Do I want it high for a positive outcome? Or low?

[fiery oyster]

man.. do I need to? idk if I do

[hearty pendant]

high
5 or more for redemption

[obtuse gyro]

do you want him to double down or do you want to redeem him

[fiery oyster]

how I check this?

[hearty pendant]

i think you've run into a bug? but not 100% sure
wait for now imo

[peak heath]

I want to redeem him in that I don't want him butchering the Entrati's. Currently I think I've made him embrace who he was and he's very thrilled with it. But that's not what I necessarily wanted.

[hearty pendant]

no way to do so in-game, tmk. just have to go through all of your convos with the triad in kimulacrum

[fiery oyster]

ok, I wanna check into this as much as possible, what do I need to check, convo wise?

ah, that kinda checking

I'll have to do that tomorrow

[peak heath]

What's the Roathe Serum deal?

[fiery oyster]

I assume, I'd know if I had failed, right?

[hearty pendant]

ok, you got the "You fool!" chat from roathe, meaning you had RoatheFailNot21 for a bit
did you get the Lyon chat that told you to go back into descendia before that?
if so, you ran into what i described before, the LyonRoatheFail chat seems like it can't play twice, so it softlocks there

[hearty pendant]

something like ensuring that you'll help roathe deal with the revelation he has after VM 21. only available after a reset

[fading current]

Marie being absolutely in love with duviri makes so much sense lol. She is not wanting to leave🤣

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[peak heath]

I've pulled the trigger on the reset. But I didn't get the Roathe catching me on the memory thing.

[obtuse gyro]

thanks pupsker, the corpus are shit outta luck

[dire slate]

Does anyone have errors with this conversation with Lyon? It messes up every time I choose this option, and this third time I restarted the game it's now given me a new conversation.

[solid otter]

Yeah.

[fading current]

Yea

[dire slate]

Damn. I thought Lyon just put me on read two times. Hope it gets fixed soon.

[worn fjord]

Another option you can do is choose a different response. It’s only that one which is bugged

[dire slate]

I'll pick another one probs when I get the conversation again. Game gave me the ||parental abuse|| conversation just now as replacement I think.

[worn fjord]

Oh okay yea

[fading current]

Right…right
makes note to go through every one of his memories labeled recipes

[night grail]

Yeah the lore fragments in duviri are still there in captura

[tame canopy]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/John_Prodman#cite_note-4
This mofo is real??? and you can earn reward from him?

[solid otter]

JOHN PRODMAN

[fading current]

Yea I noticed haha. His dialogue just cracked me up in the moment.

[tame canopy]

I can't believe this legend really exists...

[uncut solar]

He only shows up to the worthy

[eager dagger]

Stuck in the same spot

[fiery oyster]

glad its not just me then

[flat pilot]

just noticed that lyon has two pupils! thats cool :3

[eager dagger]

Was expecting a hot fix today

[tight pagoda]

They only got back in the offices today, it will take some time

We'll likely get news at the next devshort

[solid otter]

Polycoria i think is the name?

[dire slate]

I didn't know Lyon was datable; I just thought his religion's analogous to Catholicism. I was not prepared for that conversation. I should've thought of it considering Marie/Roathe.

[flat pilot]

yeah :3 thats very cool, also a nice detail

[abstract sorrel]

Is it possible for the operator to go to 1999?

[night grail]

It is possible. Albeit a bad idea

[abstract sorrel]

Why

[solid otter]

Put the kid in 1999 where they have no connection to anyone and only have their warframe.

[abstract sorrel]

I would argue that’s probably the least of the bad situations they’ve been in

Considering they were fighting a war on an alien moon at one point

[night grail]

Sending them toward the greedy eye of the indifference probably isnt the best idea?

[uncut solar]

No ordis in 1999 :(

[night grail]

But sending the other one which wally cares less about is fine because they arent even supposed to be there

[abstract sorrel]

The indifference can already reach us

[tight pagoda]

There's probably nothing preventing them from going now that we've expelled the Indifference and Rusalka from 1999

[night grail]

Not well outside of the entrati labs

At best it manifests to be spooky

[uncut solar]

They tried it once but Operator was driving everyone insane by constantly being on the comms and repeating "my warframe is strong"

[abstract sorrel]

I wish they would at least use 1999 to add actual guitars

Not Shawzins, a real guitar, like a Fender Stratocaster

[fading current]

I’d imagine you’d be basically serving yourself (the operator) on void platter to the indifference lmao

[uncut solar]

Guitars went extinct in 3078

:(

[night grail]

Like... lizzie?

[uncut solar]

You get lizzie as a... Shawzin

Wouldn't she count?

Or do you mean something more classic?

[abstract sorrel]

That thing is an infested hunk of metal, I mean a traditional guitar.

[night grail]

She is a traditional guitar if you ignore her being sapient

[abstract sorrel]

I mean something like this (this is my personal guitar)

[uncut solar]

So the design is what you want?

[abstract sorrel]

yes

fenders are such a well known design for electrics

It couldn’t be that hard to add one 😭

[uncut solar]

Maybe, a legally distinct one

[latent oriole]

[dire slate]

Bender Cumulocaster

[tall seal]

Does anyone know if we're gonna be able to progress the devil's triad correctly after the patch? Or are we gonna have to reset and begin again in order for it to work? I got rank 5 with everyone but no one's talking to me now even though I have "play all available conversations" toggled :(

[fading current]

Not sure right now…but I know I’ll have to reset. All the bugs and stuff made my relationship with roathe very messy. Like when I got all the VM’s I def missed out on a few chats.

He was talking about a chat we didn’t have and that’s what resulted in him mad. And looking on the kimulacrum I found the chat but cuz we didn’t talk I didn’t have the right dialogue options and….boom. He hates me lol.
Time for the good ole fist slam after the bugs and stuff are worked out.

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-the-hex-drifter-begin-again-gif-639103360702619643

[tall seal]

Now that real question is if you reset do you have to beat his ass 21 times again because I don't wanna do all that lmao, I already have 2 uriels and the vinquibus

[hearty pendant]

nope. the VMs might take a moment to load, but they'll be there. ||all 21. and all of the consequences of them||

[fading current]

Ok that’s a major relief

[tight pagoda]

Regarding that, how does Roathe respond? ||If he's aware that you've reset, does he go "Dammit, why didn't that work? Why am I still being plagued?"||

[hearty pendant]

depends a lot on how you react to his comments. ||he starts off the convo calling you an "Orokin in disguise." if you're upfront with him, he calms down fairly quickly. outside of the intro convos, he'll throw jabs at you every now and then, or acknowledge that you may have heard the information before||
he does offer different deals if he knows you've reset, as well

[fading current]

So…does the Ascaris literally trap the operator within the warframe? The way Galastra describes it each “prime vanguard” encountered. One specific line that stuck out was “look what one of my ascaris did to one of your warframes. What happened to its operator can happen to you, too”

I’m assuming yes…

[tall seal]

I believe that's the implication, yes

Pretty horrifying all things considered

Galastra sees an army of child soldiers and is like "Welp, when in Rome" and potentially kills them forever

[winged ore]

Well Vor installs an Ascaris on us the very moment we start warframe

why? to take over our frame and get it under his control

[fading current]

Yea that’s why in the end it makes way more terrifying for some reason

[hearty pendant]

prime vanguard are also affected by ascaris prime rather than regular ascaris

maybe faster-acting, maybe higher control

[winged ore]

yeah, I assume Vor was only able to create a mere imitation of the technology, and not as powerful as the original prime

[fading current]

He thought it was just controlling a frame. In the end…it was us that would’ve been severely suppressed.
But yea that prime part was likely more powerful to fully suppress an operator in its warframe and to serve under whoever is controlling it

[winged ore]

also, even though the primes in perita and the quest are lore accurate, excalibur prime was normal sized, which makes him officially, a short king

[fading current]

I wonder who those operators were though…I know our character knew them the way they’re described to us in the flashbacks as we face them, but man…that’s so messed up😭😭

[fading current]

We love short kings in the end…at least I do haha

[hearty pendant]

ehh
the prime vanguard are just big so that they're obvious targets, confirmed by rebb i believe

[fading current]

It is funny when we face the prime vangaurd in story that protea and caliban are both very very tall compared to us

[fading current]

Oh???👀👀

So those operators were granted bigger warframes than the rest of us? The hell lmao

[winged ore]

no I am pretty sure that somewhere in the lore it's been stated that primes were larger

[hearty pendant]

no, its just a gameplay thing

[fading current]

I see, I see. That makes WAY more sense ha.

Oh crap sorry for the ping. I meant to turn that OFF

[obtuse gyro]

you can try as you might you wont find that lol

[hearty pendant]

np lol
been trying to find a source for that information but i'm not able to. might be somewhere on twitter i can't get to

[obtuse gyro]

mind you we see a caliban prime during the quest twice and the enemy version is larger

[gray dagger]

Is Roathe still bugged?

[hearty pendant]

there's not been a hotfix yet

[fading current]

Yes

[lethal vortex]

On best friends status with ||Lyon|| and ||Marie||, anathema (hated) by ||Roathe||

[lethal vortex]

Never really knew what i was suppose to say for ||Roathe||, but oh well

[hearty pendant]

what does the status/notes thing say for roathe?

[lethal vortex]

Its said here

[hearty pendant]

yea, anathema, but the notes should tell you why you have anathema

[lethal vortex]

I know but heres the issue, am i really gonna memorize what wrong things were said?

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/im-so-sorry-oliver-alexander-the-invitation-im-sorry-my-condolences-gif-26786387

[obtuse gyro]

its not so much about what you remember you said

we're asking you what your character notes for roathe say

because it splits the difference between you pissing him off and him running from his problems

[lethal vortex]

If i am gonna be honest, both

Keep in mind, still new to these guys

[hearty pendant]

roathe needs a healthy dose of pissing him off
its just doing it correctly that matters

[flat pilot]

anathema doesnt necessarily means that he hates you also, have you done 21 runs of descendia?

[lethal vortex]

One of those times was necessary for the damned ||medal||'s evolution

[gray dagger]

best friends with everyone and dating Roathe at least

[lethal vortex]

The others were on normal rather than steel path just because i wanted the warframe

So yeah 21 runs were indeed done

[dire slate]

Hey guys. Are you supposed to go Descendia once a week or just spam it when you can like Duviri Circuit?

[hearty pendant]

up to you. you only get the special rewards once per week, but you can farm it for the materials
you'll need to beat the end boss 21 times for roathe's KIM chats, though

[lethal vortex]

Due to rng being that bs and cause my butt didn't think to do every run from The Precipice to the boss, i made my grind slower than i thought it would be

[hearty pendant]

most common reason for anathema is not doing 21 runs, so that's not the issue
w/o seeing the status or your most recent chats, can't help beyond that

[lethal vortex]

Do i have to do 21 runs again when i reset

[hearty pendant]

no

[lethal vortex]

Okay good

Also knowing one of my friends, they would question why someone would want to romance Roathe

Thats not my intentions of course

[cosmic prawn]

It's not the Ascaris that traps the Operator, it's some kind of special radiation. The Ascaris just allows control of the Warframe, though apparently at high cost.

[lethal vortex]

Ain't that every prime warframe enemy

Not sure why they are that big though

[hearty pendant]

just for gameplay visibility reasons

[lethal vortex]

Does the red marker not exist?

[hearty pendant]

doesn't appear when you're aiming in

[covert dune]

Same as me. You got the RoatheFailNo21, basically you did not do 21 descendia and therefore you cannot redeem him anymore

[covert dune]

Same bro, it's a bug. Sadly there is no way to redeem him, even when the game checks again if you did the 21

[fading current]

No I know…it’s just the way she describes it…it’s just so…gods…dark

Those poor operators…

[lethal vortex]

Only reason for me to do descendia is to help a friend who wants a vinquibus, who also wants a kuva chakkhurr

I don't question what they want though

Both are good when built right

[covert dune]

I will not reset yet, I got the good ending with both Marie and Lyon and The Devils Triad takes to long to get their chemistry up, I'll continue talking with Roathe and see if I can redeem him after getting that

[proven sequoia]

Hey so, Roathe blocked me for a second time and im not entirely sure what to do.
For context, I did the 21 runs and listened to all the logs to get him to unblock me the first time. So I'm a tad bit lost on what to do.

[hearty pendant]

what do the notes on his profile say?

[proven sequoia]

This. Though im not entirely sure what else im supposed to do.

The last conversation I had was the "What do you think happened to Nikoth" one before they blocked me again.

[hearty pendant]

did you get the lyon convo that told you to go back into descendia?

[proven sequoia]

Yeah, but that was when I got blocked the first time.

[hearty pendant]

what are your other recent chats w/ roathe?

[proven sequoia]

Second most recent was me refusing to erase his (and the rest of the Triads) memories

[hearty pendant]

started with "You fool!"?

[proven sequoia]

Yup.

[hearty pendant]

ok, i think you've hit the point where the LyonRoatheFail convo needs to trigger to get you out of anathema, but can't because its already played once
have to wait for a hotfix i suppose
or reset if you're impatient

[proven sequoia]

Damn.
I guess I'll just wait around. Thanks man!

[novel quartz]

Has Roathe been fixed yet? 👀

I still can't smooch him yet we're dating and it's been like a week

[valid folio]

In the same boat - bugged all we can do is wait

[rancid pilot]

Since operator is referred to as Mara internally, could we just refer to the drifter as Marty

[whole mountain]

Amir already call drifter Marty (Marty McFlea)

[rancid pilot]

Like that's the closest to a name Drifter has

[fading current]

I mean yea, it’s what all the hex call us essentially.

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-michael-j-fox-heavy-marty-mc-fly-gif-4584334

[compact wigeon]

40 hours in now...
Rap tap tap .... Tenno Run!

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GAME

Just some hours ago I was feeling like I was playing a very different RPG (Deviri) and then it turns into a game where I get shiver when the walls speak to me lol

[night grail]

The walls do tend to... whisper

[solid otter]

Almost as if theres someone inside.

[fierce kiln]

its as if there was a man... in the wall

[cerulean kiln]

Where’s Thrax?

[shell palm]

He's not there at the moment and lets be honest if thrax was there and heard that he'd kick the drifter and Roathe out

[cerulean kiln]

Should go hunt him down

[solid otter]

Nah, thrax didnt wanna see adults kissing. Gross to a kid, you know?

[shell palm]

We're in his throne room

[solid otter]

Yeah, and he left bcs "ew the adults are showing affection to each other"

[cerulean kiln]

DE being consistent with the banning kids from seeing adult love

[solid otter]

I, for one, was like that as a kid, id leave the most fun of things if i saw adults being affectionate

[shell palm]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

I'm still like that but instead of "ew gross" my reason evolved to "bloody annoying"

[shell palm]

Thrax probably doesn't want to hear what Roathe says to my drifter anyway

[alpine snow]

dunno if this would be where i put it but, does anybody happen to know if they are aware of the bug where we lose access to sentinels during descendia? Found the trigger for it is dismounting after using the horse to destroy bombs.

[shell palm]

Drifter: this my lover Roathe and I figured you'd like to see him
Thrax: ew you brought your lover here I'm out leaves

[cerulean kiln]

Thrax would be jealous considering how he acted when Drifter wanted to leave

[undone lodge]

He went to Mathila to vent

[fiery oyster]

Oh so it is a bug? Reset or no?

[fiery oyster]

Thing is, I'm not getting anymore convos with Roathe

[gray orchid]

he seems to be very bugged at the moment

it's in their list of priority fixes thouguh

[fiery oyster]

oh! message

from Roathe

oh nevermind its the event lol

[full violet]

something that just randomly hit me really hard

lotus/operator/drifter killing ballas likely avenged literally millions of people

[quick smelt]

Didn’t avenge Adis enough…

Ballas, get revived

[pastel pasture]

silly question that im sure im overthinking

is the ship closest to the zariman the one currently attacking it

grineer ship is close and its grineer nodes

[fierce panther]

ye, it switches to a corpus obelisk when they're the one attacking too

[pastel pasture]

neat

[night zephyr]

That's awesome

[summer wagon]

So if you don't do Roathe's 21 fights in time, he just ends the chat with you?
I haven't been playing because I've been waiting for the game to get patched, it's been unfun with all the bugs :/

[real niche]

That's just about the Operation, that's not related to the KIM

That's why there's the big fat BLLOD OF PERITA there

[summer wagon]

oh, i read too quick. im an idiot nvm

yeah didnt see the title, just the body

[summer wagon]

i know i know, i logged in for the tennobaum stuff, saw that, panicked

[undone lodge]

Keep forgetting about the Margulis option for Lotus and getting so confused by people’s mail

[quick smelt]

The reading comprehension Warframe….

Dante’s true enemy

[hexed relic]

what is this?

ive never seen him outside of the library

[shell palm]

Roathe's captura date

The duviri date to be specific

[hexed relic]

oooh i havent been talking to them every day so im not at the friends with benefits stage yet

been tied up with other stuff

[plush swan]

I just asked Velimir "what was the wildest birthday you ever had?"

[real niche]

<@&778745217037238293> \

[frail nymph]

I remember some Whispers in the Walls lore mentioning that the void/Wally tries to mimic humans but can't quite get it right.

Then Daklo says the same about the liberated Sentients.

Any more similarities in other recent content? I would also like to include the sound effect that comes with plucking the flower at the beginning of the quest, sounds like Lotus for some reason.

[tame canopy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1q5hhh9/thank_you_de/

Woah, I did not know DE prepped dialogues for those [Disable all convos about certain topics] prompts

I thought it'll just skip the convo entirely and maybe give a nod to it occuring off screen.

[copper gorge]

I realised something funny about Nidri( Vazarin Tauron strike).

It is the only tool in existance that can outheal stupid

[misty veldt]

Im not screwed if I failed to convince roathe to face his truth right?

[high otter]

good question...
I'm at the same issue 😄

No redeemed, no villain

[jagged sable]

Massive called shot here, but what do you guys think the chances would be of a Caliban protoframe being released in the Tau 2026 update, only they'd be a sentient protoframe?
I mean, Personally, it'd sound sick but how likely would you think it'd be?

[wild wind]

I would love it

I've wanted exactly that since Tau was revealed

However I've been told by several people here that DE is stepping away from Protoframes for the immediate future

[high otter]

on one hand, i'd say getting too many protoframes would probably make it >>weird<<
at the same time, it feels like the natural progression

[wild wind]

So chances are tragically quite low

[jagged sable]

awwww..

[wild wind]

Unless of course the people who told me this are wishcasting/lying/their uncle at Nintendo DE told them

[misty veldt]

I took a peak at the kimulacrum for that specific chat that got me there just to see if I screwed myself and from what I can infer from it we have not. We just have to make sure we dont screw up the following day I think

[high otter]

for rank5convo8?

[misty veldt]

Oh we are at different areas lmao. Im at rank5convo1

Or at least thats what it said

[high otter]

I had that yesterday, and for some reason, today i had rank5convo6

sorry, bu that i mean convo8

[misty veldt]

Ah. I guess im approaching the bit more buggy areas of these conversations

[shadow cairn]

I miss them already… I might actually reset for once. I’ve never reset the Hex or the Round Table but I just might reset the Triad, they’re so… so interesting

[high otter]

you finished it?

[feral barn]

Ok, I think I got the last Roathe chat

[shadow cairn]

I have. Bugs and all but yes, i became best friends with everyone and am waiting for Roathe to get fixed

[feral barn]

So after the "it's time" chat, something supposed to happen?

[shell palm]

The drifter has escaped containment

[feral barn]

Yeah, they do that

[errant perch]

Does anyone have any theories on why the pager is ringing where Mom used to stand?

[high otter]

is roathe bugged?

[toxic imp]

ok, I really need to know something - can i romance someone from the Triad before The Hex. I know it works the other way around, but you know.. Maybe Arthur isn't into devlish things. .-.

[feral barn]

Apparently it's a 50/50 chance bug where you might just not get the final cutscene from healing the triad

[feral barn]

Try it

Tell us your findings

[wild wind]

It was like that before actually. They just moved where the pager is.

[feral barn]

Pager wasn't moved, Mom was

[wild wind]

Wasn't the pager originally on the ledge?

Farther away I mean.

[hearty pendant]

afaik it was in the same spot it is now

[shadow cairn]

A couple times i tried to reread Roathe chats and it showed me different responses, + i still don’t have the option to date

[feral barn]

Lotus was holding the pager while the events of 1999 happened, with Old Peace the pager was dropped on the floor, same spot and Lotus moved to the Old Peace quest area we use to relieve the trauma

[wild wind]

[long birch]

so both actually happening at the same time

[feral barn]

If you wanna find her, go to the stairs under the bird

[wild wind]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/18kgxj8/who_would_be_ringing_albrechts_phone_in_the_hub/

[long birch]

drifter went to 1999, operator went to dip in the jacuzzi

[wild wind]

From 2 years ago

[feral barn]

Not really, technically speaking Jade Shadows is what's happening while the Drifter is in 1999

[wild wind]

Oh wait the pager, not the phone

My bad, wrong dead tech

[feral barn]

Bruh xD

[wild wind]

So yeah then it's literally just what happened in Lotus Eaters

Wally was trying to use Arthur's pager to reach 1999 and the Drifter yoinked it to close that path

Though, amusingly, the pager is also a placeable decoration

[high otter]

Wally calling to get his fingers back

[pine wolf]

Tbh pagers do really take me back to the 90s

I can already hear the Sugar Ray

[wild wind]

Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time

[balmy storm]

Iirc after Lotus Eaters you can choose which you do, so no Jade Shadows should be happening prior or after both 1999 and Old Peace
Though there is also mention of Lotus standing on the cliff for months, the timeline seems a tad muddy

[feral barn]

from my understanding, 1999 takes place in the space of little more over a year lore wise, then added the Roundtable part as well that's at least 6 months, during that time both Jade Shadows and Old Peace can still take place simultaniously

[wild wind]

Old Peace happens a little after 1999 I feel

[feral barn]

but the events of the Triad specifically happen post Old Peace

[wild wind]

They wouldn't be rooting into Operator's memories unless they needed something for Tau, imo

[balmy storm]

Again, Old Peace can be done after Lotus Eaters
While Drifter is in 1999

Also 1999 is via time travel, it’s a year from Drifter’s perspective but they can come back at any point relatively

Like I’m not so certain it took a year for the thumbs up scene to occur and with their control over the year you can, in theory iirc, redo the new year before a full year has happened according to the calendar

Afaik Jade Shadows doesn’t have any requirements relating to any of these quests either so it’s placement is just post New War

[hearty pendant]

iirc it forces operator but that's the closest thing to relating it to 1999

[wild wind]

Operator is the one with real history with the Stalker

[feral barn]

from my understanding, until the Drifter broke the loop and made the changed events of 1999 permanent, it's likely they did wait that long, otherwise why wouldn't the drifter be in the sanctum to protect the Operator, Lotus and Loid since both operator and drifter can be there simultaneously?

[wild wind]

Because they can only be there simultaneously for a short period of time

Minutes, if that

[feral barn]

That's stated?

[wild wind]

Implied

[feral barn]

So its a as the writing chooses at the moment

[balmy storm]

I’m saying 1999 and Old Peace happen at the same time

Lotus eaters happens
Drifter goes to 1999 for however long but likely not as long as a full year as they gain control of the year at the end of the auest
Operator and Lotus do Old Peace stuff while Drifter is gone

[wild wind]

They get bounced from the Zariman, Operator can only contribute briefly in Duviri, and you only have the one convo with Lotus in Lotus Eaters

[balmy storm]

Normally they cannot be in the same point in spacetime but in Lotus Eaters specifically they occupy the same point on the edge of the Void

In the New War their time is specifically shown to be limited

[night blaze]

did the drifter change the events of 1999? is it not a bootstrap paradox-adjacent scenario?

[fiery oyster]

any update regarding the bug with Roathe?

I might just reset em at this rate lol

[wild wind]

No bootstrap paradox

[night blaze]

i may just be losing my mind

[balmy storm]

Operator should in theory be able to do more in Duviri since it’s in the void, it may more so be due to the nature of how they’re helping that it’s limited

[hearty pendant]

yesn't. devshort said that there's a hotfix planned for this week that should have a bunch of KIM fixes, but nothing actually out yet

[balmy storm]

They’re back in the studio just be patient.

[fiery oyster]

in that case, I'll just wait

[feral barn]

it was a paradox after the drifter created their own loop, but after the bomb was stopped and everyone survived, the loop was broken and they attached that new order of events into the timeline

[fiery oyster]

the thing is, idk if I messed up by not doing the 21 descendia fast before getting that convo with him thanking me not going down there

[wild wind]

Kinda ish? Roathe calls Duviri a whole separate universe, which means that most of the usual rules apply.

[night blaze]

right, but isnt that new order of events the correct order of events

[balmy storm]

1999 didn’t have any paradoxes?

[feral barn]

Yes

[fiery oyster]

Marie calling me Wolf is so fun to me

[wild wind]

Simply the final way that December 31st 1999 plays out

[balmy storm]

Events can be rewritten, that’s not a paradox.

[night blaze]

as in, the reason the future is the way it is, is because of the drifter

[wild wind]

Heck it's vaguely implied that the reason the loop is happening is to KEEP it that way

[wild wind]

Ah, no, not at all

[balmy storm]

I’m gonna say that’s just his theory, bro is not a void scientist lol

[feral barn]

The paradox with 1999 was Entrati, then the Drifter, because without either of them the changed events of 1999 just don't happen

[night blaze]

why?

[wild wind]

No, that's not quite right

[balmy storm]

Elaborate cause there is no paradox here

[fiery oyster]

check my name lol

[night blaze]

screw me

im tired sigh

[wild wind]

The techrot still happens without Albrecht

[balmy storm]

The events of 1999 play out regardless, all Entrati and Drifter do is rewrite events in minor ways that ultimately don’t change much of anything

[wild wind]

The protoframes just DIE without Albrecht

Either they become infested or Scaldra purge them

[balmy storm]

Or the many many nukes get em eventually

[night blaze]

is it not stated that the reactor not exploding starts the radiation wars?

[balmy storm]

No, that’s not stated anywhere?

[night blaze]

so i am just losing my mind

[wild wind]

The reactor has nothing to do with the Radiation Wars

[balmy storm]

The radiation wars happen regardless and due to the infestation always getting out afaik

Or that’s the most probable theory at least

[wild wind]

We actually don't know if the Hollvania outbreak is the real critical outbreak

[balmy storm]

The radiation wars existed before we fixed the reactor problem so

[wild wind]

Though it's the most likely answer

[night blaze]

i see

[balmy storm]

I wanna say you can kinda think of 1999 like the Lua Spy Vaults but on a larger scale and also the changes largely don’t matter

[wild wind]

Regardless of whether the reactor blows or not, the techrot survives

[warm anvil]

"Though very little records of the Wars survived, the Drifter surmises to Eleanor Nightingale that it was provoked by a global pandemic of Techrot in the 21st century, leading the population of the era to attempt to use nuclear weapons to sterilize their influence" -wiki

[balmy storm]

The wars still happen
The Orokin still gain control
Etc etc etc

[wild wind]

Yeah exactly

Saving Hollvania from the nuke doesn't stop the Orokin

[balmy storm]

Wow the wiki!
And what sources does that provide?

[wild wind]

Or the infestation

[warm anvil]

this was from the KIM conversations

[wild wind]

Yeah the wiki isn't great for lore

[balmy storm]

Again, what sources does it provide
Any exact convos?

[wild wind]

Because Warframe players can't read

[warm anvil]

I can try to find the conversation

"I know 2000 is pretty far back in your past, but can you tell me ANYTHING about what's in store for our little planet?"
"It's not good, I'm afraid. From what little I can tell, Techrot becomes a global problem. People solve it with nukes - or try to. That's how the first of the 'Radiation Wars' begins."

• Eleanor Nightingale and the Drifter

thats the source they use

[balmy storm]

Doing more than the wiki is than if they can’t even source the convos lol
I salute you

[feral barn]

The drifter is a walking paradox (even stated by the Lotus), time and reality to them is a concept, not a rule, whenever they use their power they rewrite history if they so wish for it.

Entrati created the original artificial loop of 1999, separating it from the original events

By the time the Drifter arrives, that loop is breaking and our presence allows us to create the same type of loop, but in our control essentially, then when we changed the events we unveiled the loop essentially overwriting the original timeline, but still being able to change the events as we as the Drifter still don't exist post 1999 until New War quest

[warm anvil]

they did

[balmy storm]

The loop isn’t separate, changes within the loop still ripple out into the timeline

Also the loop didn’t break, Wally just took control and we took control back by the end

Rewriting events doesn’t cause paradoxes in Warframe

[warm anvil]

whats so bad about the wiki anyways

[wild wind]

Interestingly the conversation doesn't specify that the Hollvania outbreak is the actual cause

[hearty pendant]

iirc the page on primes is one of the biggest offenders for lore accuracy
its getting better but still isn't great

[balmy storm]

They tend to make stuff up and don’t source their claims :p
it’s the problem with all wikis

[feral barn]

Entrati states multiple times that the loop is breaking/broken, and our drifter even says something along thelines of creating a new loop

[hearty pendant]

nor that the reactor explosion is related to the radiation wars

[wild wind]

The editors don't link to primary sources, which over time means a lot of errors

[balmy storm]

When??
Cause Loid suggests otherwise when it’s extended

[warm anvil]

I never had a side in this I was just showing the lore bit in game that everyone was talking about

[hearty pendant]

iirc entrati only states that the loop has been altered, not broken

[feral barn]

Warframe!!! You're giving me headaches again!!

[night blaze]

right

[wild wind]

Sorry didn't mean to imply otherwise, just pointing that out

[balmy storm]

Albrecht makes the loop on New Years, somehow
We get to 1999 to find him
Wally follows us, takes control of the loop
By the end of the quest we take control back
Loid implies Albrecht extended it but we still have control
The loop’s events still ripple out to the rest of the timeline so states the palimpsest of spacetime and the Lua Spy Vaults
No Paradoxes
No broken loops

[wild wind]

Huh, I just realized, I think we're at the end of the data mined primed mod leaks

Whispers added primed dual rounds and others to Baro's offerings but I hadn't heard about the archgun tox primed mod

[night blaze]

is the techrot implied to be some sort of precursor to the modern infestation? or is it the same?

[frail grove]

I think it's meant to be more of a strain of it than a precursor

[hearty pendant]

both i think

its a separate strain in a way, but it will eventually become the modern infestation

[night blaze]

if its a strain that came before the original strain it would be a precursor

[night blaze]

i see

[hearty pendant]

the coda survive to modern day alongside the infestation's evolution, so its a little weird in that aspect

[frail grove]

I think it's more that it is the Infestation, it's just that they don't have that name for it

[unreal field]

I think its important to keep in mind when characters say things, they're saying their thoughts and perceptions. There are some Drifter dialogue choices that contradict each other so you can clearly see that something may or may not be true

[night blaze]

and somewhere along the line as it mutates into a new strain it loses its ability to assimilate tech

[frail grove]

It can absolutely still assimilate tech

[wild wind]

It's pretty much the same thing

But it doesn't have Orokin tech to copy/fuse with

[night blaze]

nope, thats the mutualist strain developed by alad v

[frail grove]

^nope

[night blaze]

the mutualist strain and the normal kind just work together

[wild wind]

The wiki happens to be slightly wrong there

Kavats are outright immune

[frail grove]

they mention kavats being able to consume it later

[wild wind]

And yeah the infestation had to be directly modified to infect Corpus technology during the Mutalist Empire days

[hearty pendant]

the mutalist strain is far better at infesting tech, but the regular infestation is still subsuming entire ships of every faction

[balmy storm]

Dormant genes perhaps?

[wild wind]

Perhaps!

[wild wind]

Or it could be a materials thing, iirc the original infested tile set was Infested Grineer asteroid base

[frail grove]

it wasn't compatible with AI, until Alad V's tampering, but it could still assimilate tech

[balmy storm]

It’d make sense the Orokin would snip that out best they could otherwise it’d be the first iteration of the problem with combatting the sentients
The tech

[wild wind]

Yeah that's a good distinction

[night blaze]

ah ok

[balmy storm]

It does seem the infestation can just infest anything physically but maybe code is different
We know the techrot could for example

[wild wind]

So it could always fuse metal to bio, but it couldn't add AI to the hivemind

[balmy storm]

It is interesting since due to it’s relationship with time it should be able to adapt so it was likely a physical issue for more modern infestation

[wild wind]

So pre-Mutalist strain, MOAs and ospreys were raw materials rather than members

Which makes cephalons a veeeery interesting edge case....

[balmy storm]

Jordis

Was that his name
Idr

He was weird lol

[wild wind]

Jordas close enough

[balmy storm]

Lol ty

[obtuse gyro]

now is that a statement from the game or a wiki one?

Im not in disagreement with it, but sources sources sources

[night blaze]

wasnt the jordas bossfight just a large infested corpus crewman at some point in time

[wild wind]

Yup lol

The J3 Golem

Used to drop Volt, back when Jupiter was an Infested planet

[eager dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/grendel-grendal-prime-warframe-orange-creamsicle-hello-chat-gif-8335281156347721127

Been at work all day did we get any response or answeres from DE about Roathe being stuck in anathema ?

[frail grove]

It doesn't have a direct source for it, but I've done a bit of digging, and both the codex fragment entries for Infested and The Infestation refer to its ability to assimilate inorganic matter

[obtuse gyro]

but what about the whole "before the mutalist cant eat the AI"

[frail grove]

that I'm not so sure

[obtuse gyro]

or is that just an inferred guess from how it only took over jordas after mutalist

[upbeat hemlock]

I have questions about a KIM conversation with Lyon! Anyone got a translator for me?

[obtuse gyro]

for french or?

[upbeat hemlock]

English unfortunately. The sentence is confusing me

[obtuse gyro]

because like, that's all indeed in english

[frail grove]

it's probably just that tbf

[obtuse gyro]

ok so where are we stuck at

[upbeat hemlock]

Well.... "I fear this are many topics I could discuss at length." Doesn't make sense grammatically, and the last part "What where would you like to begin?" doesn't work either. They are nonsensical.

[hearty pendant]

there's a lot he could talk about, but he doesn't want to bore you, so he's asking you to pick a topic
there's a typo in the first and last sentence and lyon is kinda.. wordy

[obtuse gyro]

the last part seems to just be one of many typos from the kims

everything else, grey explained already

[upbeat hemlock]

ok, I thought for sure maybe I just needed a nap and couldn't read it.... Thanks!!!

[frail grove]

they really need someone to proof read these (hire me DE I'll do it /j)

[eager dagger]

Been at work all day did we get any response or answers from DE about Roathe being stuck in anathema ?

[shadow forum]

I have a question, once Ballas died in the new war, I hope we see excalibur umbra in TAU i want to see his reaction against golden masters.
Will that happen or something else will happen.

[worn fjord]

Want to double check but is the convo “What do you think happened to Nitokh” bugged? Heard someone got Anathema with Roathe after that so..

Maybe I should wait for the hotfix before doing any Roathe convo 🙂‍↕️

[shadow forum]

Check the announcements or news page about it, maybe you find it there or not.

[eager dagger]

Nada

[eager dagger]

Tau would more likely either be under complete sentient control or a barren waste land

[eager dagger]

I got that convo in full how far did you get?

[shadow forum]

Ah if something could happen i hope all warframes get awakened and to see TAU and to remember their past about them.

[eager dagger]

Warframes being awoken is more a singular thing umbra had a special circumstance and we don’t fully know why it happened for the second dream but I wouldn’t expect Warframes to be waking up like that

[shadow forum]

I hope only umbra goes there.

With tenno and the rest of the team.

[long birch]

Do you think Valdur made grave for Adis?

[hearty pendant]

yea prolly

[long birch]

did you click on a suspicious link or sumthing?

[fading current]

Oh boy

[long birch]

and he was playing wuwa lmaoooo

[fading current]

I just saw that lmao

Seems to be spamming it in almost every chat

[long birch]

well, his discord got compromised i guess

[fading current]

Yea…that’s unfortunate

[uncut solar]

Grok casino

[floral condor]

You know? DE really knows how to make Ballas a hateful being even in death.

[hearty dove]

I hate that dude so much

[fading current]

When he touched our face with that long ahhh nasty finger I cringed so hard. Stay away from me you freak 😭😭

[covert dune]

Sooo uuuuh, why can "I confess my feelings" to Marie on the Rank5Convo8 if I have already romanced her?

[fading current]

“Remember this”
I’ll remember you dying forever thanks

[hearty pendant]

because there's nothing that checks if you're already dating someone, including her
tis a bug/oversight/whatever

[covert dune]

Yes I just checked the Kimulacrum and the game does not check if you have already dated her or not, Idk if this is a bug but it actually seems like they forgot to add another path in case you were already dating her. Should I confess again and that's it or will I break everything?

[eager dagger]

Yeah but I also think he’s also somehow still on tau and he’s seen some shit

[hearty pendant]

probably won't break anything either way
to be safe, if there's a way to not confess, you should probably pick that one
if there isn't, it probably won't change anything

[pastel pasture]

so real talk for a sec

did DE make Elenore born one day beforee Arthur purely because the calendar system wouldn't have been able to handle two birthdays on the same day

because like. how would you fit two birthays on here without having a weird once a month group chat with Elenore/Arthur

[uncut solar]

That's what Eleanor and Arthur also thought

[pastel pasture]

🤔

[worn fjord]

Well apparently the bug is after the convo (getting Anathema) so I’m gonna skip the convo just in case

[eager dagger]

Oh god that would explain a lot - do you want me to tell you what’s said?

[worn fjord]

Sure? It’s just about Nitokh so I’m not gonna be surprised lol

[eager dagger]

Basically Roathe says if she’s still alive and out there she isn’t biding her time - so she’s hiding and the suggestion is she has no power anymore

[worn fjord]

Ah interesting… So then the Anathema one person got was a bug tho right

[eager dagger]

It SEEMS that way as running descendia does not fix it

[worn fjord]

Wait you got the bug too after that convo? Then I’m definitely skipping/waiting until hotfix lol

[eager dagger]

I got it did decendia got out of it got the last VM after completing descendia then immediately went back in to anathema and haven’t come out since 3 decents later

[worn fjord]

Yikes..

[jagged sable]

Not even after a daily reset?

[eager dagger]

I’m 3 weekly resets in and nothing

[jagged sable]

OOF

[real niche]

Bugged

[eager dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

[real niche]

Just wait until DE bothers to hotfix it

[eager dagger]

Wish they’d get on their shyte

[fading current]

Hotfix coming soon

[eager dagger]

Bless

[worn fjord]

So far 3 Roathe and 2 Marie convos bugged. I noted them down from the forums (and my experience, tho I quit the convo as soon as it was bugged) so others and I don’t end up with them - Roathe Rank 5 C4, C6, C7. Marie Rank 5 C3 & C4

[fading current]

They’ve been on break. They literally just got back lol.

[real niche]

They just came back into the offices... yesterday? Today?

[fading current]

Yesterday I believe????

[eager dagger]

Hey no one said wait till the last possible second to send out a jankie update and then go on vacay October and November exist for a reason

[worn fjord]

Yesterday

[real niche]

This happens every new years update

[night grail]

They had like a week of hotfixes too

It was not the last possible second

[real niche]

I was there for Railjack launch, do not mess with me

A silly little VN being moderately broken is nothing compared to the mess that was day one RJ.

[eager dagger]

Hate it very much 🤣

[eager dagger]

I was there from the begining a key story point that should have been a cut scene is big deal on big deal ranch out west

[floral condor]

So I have a question: what exactly are protoframes? I mean, what exactly are they used for?

And what is the 1999 map with all the enemies supposed to be? I tried to pay attention, but I didn't understand anything.

[real niche]

1999. Albrecht went back and time and made a time loop to that year to escape Man in The Wall. He took samples from the Protoframes to build the Vessels in Sanctum Anatomica

[eager dagger]

They are frames that came after Ballas made the originals. Albrect goes back to the plague year infects people turns them in to protoframes as part of his research for the vessels that’s why The one we used looked like Arther

[floral condor]

And what are Arthur and the others supposed to be doing there?

Are they trapped in the loop?

[exotic kernel]

Depends on who, Lettie, Arthur, Aoi and Quincy were called to Hollvania to help with Techrot, Elanour's details are fuzzy and Amir was very unfortunate

[exotic kernel]

Yes and so is everyone else, except drifter

[eager dagger]

Yes but if they leave the loop the helminth will consume them and they’d become the base warframes they were injected with - so basically they’d die

[exotic kernel]

The only way they won't die is if drifter is tranferenced in them

[real niche]

They were already there. Albrecht just screwed with them because they were all important in getting the nuke to explode.

[eager dagger]

?? No it’s they need to remain looped

[exotic kernel]

Was it that? I'm fuzzy on the details

Mb then, I had the wrong impression

[real niche]

No. They're just screwed as time passes after the loop.

[eager dagger]

Yes if they leave the loop helminth will consume them and they’d become the warframes they were injected with and basically die

Over time ofc

[exotic kernel]

Ya right right, I mixed up taking them to the future with that

[floral condor]

Daam

[eager dagger]

All the protoframe hosts will be consumed by the helminth only the loop protects them

[real niche]

To be more clear, time after 1999 still passes, it's just that they're Groundhog Day-ing inside 1999 so that the Hex inside of the loop can still remember stuff from previous loops. They can still affect the future while messing around with the loop

[eager dagger]

^ yes the loop is not all consuming

[floral condor]

And what is their relationship with Albrecht? , why he wants to blow up the site?

[real niche]

That was explained in Whispers: He needed to escape the loop since he broke his time machine as a precaution to stop Wally from following him (which didn't work)

[night grail]

They hate him because he used and abandoned them

[eager dagger]

All correct

[exotic kernel]

Also bc of the way the infestation works, their clothes and some stuff fused with them

[floral condor]

So now he's possessed by Wally and wants to blow up the place to escape?

[eager dagger]

What’s your sci-fi game about “ a dad leaves his kid and only visits on Christmas to traumatize them and then he goes and times travels”

[exotic kernel]

Lyon talked abt how he had to inject the serum as far away from EVERYTHING

[eager dagger]

No Wally can shape shift Wally is Wally

[floral condor]

What's your game about?
Traumatizing teenagers with cosmic horror and math

[eager dagger]

Fugging nailed it 🤣

[fading current]

He was smart about this. Bro wanted NO clothing to be fused to him forever lmao

[peak heath]

I do enjoy whatever caused DE to reverse the Sanctum skybox. I like being able to see the entrati barrier-tech that is presumably creating a breach into the Wall of Lohk.

[exotic kernel]

He did not want that hat to be stuck on him

[floral condor]

By the way, is our copy of the void a manifestation of Wally? Or is it something else?

[fading current]

Which is 1000% understandable cuz I also would not like that kind of hat stuck on me lmao

[fading current]

Just Wally

[peak heath]

The doppelgangers? Those are all Wally.

If you're talking about the drifter, that is the Tenno as well. Same person, different timeline diverging from the time of the deal.

As equally real as the operator.

Same root person, I should say. As our experiences shape who we are and people are constantly in the process of becoming someone/something else.

[exotic kernel]

Get your textbooks out, time for an eternalism lesson! (jk)

Smth smth abt 2 paths being able to exist at the same time without overwriting each other

Both things being true at the same time, like me idk eating an apple and me not eating an apple, with eternalism the apple is both eaten and not

[hearty pendant]

her parents will die. her parents will survive.
all that matters is which reality <whatever that child's name is> is assigned to

the other is no less real, and is theoretically accessible

[exotic kernel]

Operator is a child given void powers, Drifter was not, both are real

[floral condor]

How did Drifter even get into the story?

I know it's an alternate version if Teeno hadn't been rescued from the ship, and Duviri exists because drifter?

[hearty pendant]

drifter got into the origin system via the paradoxical intervention of the operator
operator can't help drifter because they don't know about them, and are also stuck reliving the zariman incident at the time
and drifter can't help operator until they escape from duviri
hence, the duviri paradox

[floral condor]

Is Tenshin currently a hologram because the real one is in Duviri?

[hearty pendant]

yep

[pastel pasture]

are Uriel's demons affected by camisado

[exotic kernel]

I think that's a #builds-discussion question

[pastel pasture]

everything and nothing is a build discussion question if you think about it

[exotic kernel]

I'm guessing you're talking abt the arcane camisado and not Uriel's demons actually surprise attacking in lore

[hearty pendant]

i mean, spoiler-chat's for whatever

[solid otter]

By eternalism, this is both true and untrue

[hearty pendant]

horrific

[hearty pendant]

don't think so, but i haven't tried it myself
not sure if it'd be worth, either

[exotic kernel]

[exotic kernel]

I hate eternalism

[solid otter]

:3

[solid otter]

Same dont worry

[exotic kernel]

By eternalism, there is a Lyon who's not traumatized nor abused and he lives a happy life!!!

[hearty pendant]

and yet, we'll never see that lyon

[solid otter]

The entire lecture of the Zariman had me focusing on other stuff in the room (Albrecht portrait and other shit)

[exotic kernel]

I hope you

Bad joke I am so sorry

[hearty pendant]

lmfao no that's great

[exotic kernel]

TAKE ME HELMINTH

[solid otter]

I like that Euleria and Albrecht worked on the Palimpsest of spacetime. Thats cute.

Father and Daughter book yuppie

[exotic kernel]

The family on Deimos is so fun to interact with

[solid otter]

I love them

[exotic kernel]

Still victims of Entrati

[solid otter]

Oh boy here we go

Would you rather them die?

Genuinely. What would you prefer?

[exotic kernel]

Maybe son COUGH COUGH

[solid otter]

An ADULT man leaving his ADULT child

[exotic kernel]

Well... no...

[solid otter]

Well thats the spot he was in.

He knew his presence put his loved ones at risk so he left.

[exotic kernel]

His presence puts everyone in danger

Looking through the KIM more throughly, there seems to be a part of drifter that doesn't particularly hate him

He does good things yes, but if it out weighs the bad is ultimately up to the player

[worn fjord]

Roathe too

[solid otter]

So he is doing the right thing and keeping everyone at arm's length.

[hearty pendant]

the funniest part of that message is roathe is saying this to a literal product of eternalism and he's still right

[solid otter]

The reason why the drifter can do that is because there's players who don't hate him. Somehow people dont hate Roathe for worse.

[exotic kernel]

I love and hate Roathe, sometimes he's cool, other times he asks and implies the freakiest things in the KIM dms

[uncut solar]

they are

[worn fjord]

Yea, that whole convo was interesting lol

[solid otter]

-# reminder that Roathe is one of the few responsible for Adis' death

[exotic kernel]

He's a bastard, but a sexy bastard - Roathe Lovers

[solid otter]

Ive never understood it tbh

[exotic kernel]

He is hella funny tho, I'll give him that

"The witches are said to kiss the devil's arse. Would you care to Marie?"

[solid otter]

We're getting an playable orokin
Looks nothing like previously established orokin

He does act like one, I'll give them that

[exotic kernel]

By sol he ACTS like one I want to punt him

[worn fjord]

That was an interesting choice yea but I get why they did that. Considering all protos were the same height kinda

[exotic kernel]

Almost as much as Ballas

[solid otter]

Its not even that, for me it's specifically the hair

[uncut solar]

hey why is this thing looming over jupiter

[worn fjord]

How did the other Orokin hair look like again?

[hearty pendant]

no one wants to go in there and move it

[solid otter]

Dreads, up until now

[long birch]

🤔 albrecht also orokin and he have normal human height. maybe its just orokin kind of thing to modify their own body to their liking?

[worn fjord]

Oh right

[solid otter]

Oh, and orokin are generally normal heights

Just the orokin we've seen aren't... normal

[long birch]

remember that one orokin that surgically modified his stomach to have 12 stomach?

[solid otter]

Karrish.

[worn fjord]

I see lmao

[worn fjord]

Wait who😭

[solid otter]

Nihil is massive cuz its not real, Ballas is an amalgam, the entrati family are huge because of the infestation

[solid otter]

Karrish! Fatass executor

[worn fjord]

Ohhh

[long birch]

Karrish, the one Grendel went to nom nom later on.

[exotic kernel]

Didn't Roathe talk abt the whole getting kids to sacrifice their bodies so the Orokin could continue living even if their other bodies died? (I was barely paying attention during that whole convo) Correct me plz

[worn fjord]

Now I remember

[hearty pendant]

karishh

[solid otter]

He did and tried to dismiss it iirc

[exotic kernel]

I think I kept pushing him for more, and just still did not pay attention

[solid otter]

"But you gotta understand everyone did it :(" hold on roathe do not do that.

[worn fjord]

I do not want to remember him or Nitokh for that matter Or Ballas

[long birch]

the Yuvan

[exotic kernel]

"Guys... I wasn't the ONLY ONE doing that!! T-The others did it TOO!! I WANTED TO BE ONE OF THE COOL KIDS!"

[hearty pendant]

i mean, he acknowledges how horrific it is several times in that convo i believe

[solid otter]

Albrecht being based and refusing kuva
-# yes I know its not from the children death but its a step

[exotic kernel]

Yesss that

[worn fjord]

Yea I don’t think he dismisses it

[solid otter]

Mm, did he? Good

I don't think he did for me, I dont know tho, I dont like roathe enough to pay attention and remember

[exotic kernel]

I think he does, and if you kinda push it or be like "hol up, wait a minute, smth aint right!" He further expands on it I believe

[solid otter]

Oh shit I need to do today's convos

[long birch]

bunch of kids getting parade to the theater and the orokin be sitting picking which face should they wear

[exotic kernel]

I do the convos on the daily like an addict lmao

[uncut solar]

i had this convo recently and he said that he participated in it and that regardless of how awful it is, it had a "noble start"

[exotic kernel]

I bet at some point someone had to be like "eeny, meemy, many, mo"

[exotic kernel]

Ya it was seen as an honour till it was just child kidnapping

[long birch]

then one yuvan was so disrespectful, Ballas decide to make her as yareli

[hearty pendant]

he ends the big yuvan theatre convo with:
Drifter: Have you ever partaken in an unwilling sacrifice?
Roathe: I will not lie to you. I have. And you can think me a monster for it all you like. But when your entire society is built upon hundreds of years of the normalization of something, it is very hard to turn your back to it.
Roathe: Even when in retrospect, or in a moment of clarity, it is so very clear.
Roathe: No one should live forever, Usurper. And the Theatre is proof of why.

[exotic kernel]

OH YAA

Damn the last line hit hard tbh

[solid otter]

I ususally do but today I've been passing in and out of existence for some reason

[exotic kernel]

Too much of ANYTHING, no matter what is bad

[exotic kernel]

Mf's Limbo

[hearty pendant]

he acknowleges both how normal it was for the orokin, and how terrible it is immediately after

[exotic kernel]

That is with most thing, when you live in something, it's so normal, you become numb to it and after you wake up you see how messed up it was

Exhibit A, Duviri

[long birch]

like how durian taste so good for most asian but when you bring it to western they think its horrendous.

[exotic kernel]

Ya, if it's smth you grow up with or spend a long time in, it becomes the norm

Or it is a norm

[long birch]

it is a norm for me, eating durian 💪

[exotic kernel]

At least a durian won't be executing you over and over again

Hopefully not

[uncut solar]

i tried it

it felt like being executed over and over again

[exotic kernel]

Eternalism strikes again

We need an uno card that just says eternalism

[solid otter]

I might just be limbo

He was my first prime frame

[exotic kernel]

He's back from his rift

[exotic kernel]

My first prime was Gauss, bc a friend gifted me all his components

Freeframe

A limbo protoframe would be cool

Maybe from xx99, a magican or smth

[long birch]

Lyon would call it heresy since he probably havent seen magic tricks.

[exotic kernel]

"For my next trick, I will birth someone out of my chest" Transferce out of frame

[exotic kernel]

The legendary dissappearing thumb

[real niche]

Maybe save the "losing a finger" tricks for another time

[exotic kernel]

You righttt, it might piss off Wally

[real niche]

Ragebaiting Wally by doing that

[fading current]

The music that plays during this scene is what really makes me just melt. Not just the kissing and amazing romantic tension between the two, but the music that plays as they float in the air all Superman and Lois style. Oh I’m in love….

[long birch]

"I can count to 10, you cant"

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-2025-movie-film-james-gunn-gif-13848382549468167614

[exotic kernel]

My first thought of seeing your drifter is "DAVID FROM CYBERPUNK???"

[fading current]

I’ll take that as a compliment🤣🤣🤣

[long birch]

Oh no, not that song again

[fading current]

I love my boy David

[exotic kernel]

I also love the music but I cannot find that DAMN MUSIC ANYWHERE

[fading current]

SAME ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY

[exotic kernel]

I really want to stay in your backroom

[exotic kernel]

DE is such a good music company why won't they post it all?!?!?

Why are they withholding this ethereal beauty

[long birch]

man i wish they expand the mandachord functionality

[fading current]

Like the theme that plays as Marie lifts the drifter into the air, that’s the moment I want on repeat in my orbiter lol but also IRL cuz it’s so beautiful

[tight fulcrum]

Anyone else find thousand yards stare worm queen amusing

[weak cosmos]

I messed up in a Conversation with Roathe, if I don’t complete the conversation can I try again tomorrow? I want to help him but he wants me to reset his memories 😿

[uncut solar]

Matthew Chalmers and Erich Preston keep making banger after banger

[exotic kernel]

During Lyon's, there are these whispers and when drifter kisses his hand the music fades in UGHHHH

[uncut solar]

A lot of people find her attractive instead

[fading current]

Omg I need to see this asap….

[exotic kernel]

[tight fulcrum]

I beg your finest pardon with full immunity

[exotic kernel]

Search up "Lyon kiss scene" or "Triad kiss scene" there are ppl posting them

[exotic kernel]

Who-

[uncut solar]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Grineer_Queens

Check the wiki comments

[fading current]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-the-duviri-paradox-drifter-tenno-void-gif-13412986994760794940

[exotic kernel]

Where is the 100 yard stare emojo when you need it most

[tight fulcrum]

I’m telling you they need to add it

[exotic kernel]

Ok so... how does 100 years in duviri sound for all those... passionate... worm queen... uhh... ya

[tight fulcrum]

Glass them expeditiously

[exotic kernel]

Ok the cephalon treatment might be a bit harsh no?

[exotic kernel]

I like this gif, I'm taking it

[tight fulcrum]

True, just send them to the helminth

[exotic kernel]

Helmith is just a hungy guyy

[exotic kernel]

HOLY SOL I REMEMBER HEARING THAT

[tight fulcrum]

Make them drink the frame juice

[exotic kernel]

Keep her AWAY from Roathe, they'll be freakazoids together

[long birch]

which frame

[tight fulcrum]

Let’s be honest they probably went to school together

[tight fulcrum]

Nidus

Would a xaku proto frame just has schizophrenia

[exotic kernel]

I am never romancing Roathe... ever

[uncut solar]

It's technically 3 different strains strapped together

The rest is up to Entrati to find the most messed up person to fit that

[exotic kernel]

Maybe closer to a DID system??

[uncut solar]

Maybe

[exotic kernel]

Bc it depends how mushed together their minds are

[tight fulcrum]

It’s sad the devil’s triad don’t have a quest and instead loid just calls you to tell them that they’re here

[exotic kernel]

Is it like 3 coloured beads mixed together in one bowl or 3 colours of paint mixed together that they aren't their own separate colours anymore

[tight fulcrum]

Like not something to the level of the hex, but just a short veil breaker sized side quest

[exotic kernel]

Bc if a Xaku protoframe is more of a DID system, it would be more like you're talking to different people, if it's more that 3 minds are mushed together it's just jumbled memories

[long birch]

probably in the future when we go to Tau, Roathe ask you to bring him there also to get his memory or sumthing

[exotic kernel]

YESS!! I was excited for operator lore and all but then the triad just kinda showed up

[uncut solar]

I feel like there's a distinction between the person and the serum

Albrecht just likes the irony

[exotic kernel]

Ya, Albrecht is weird like that but just exploring possibilities

[tight fulcrum]

The tau system outside of assassin’s Creed mode is probably going to be another whole year.

[weak cosmos]

If I reset the devils triad, would I need to complete the descendía 21 times again?

[exotic kernel]

Yes

[tight fulcrum]

Really?

I mean it resets weekly anyway so why?

[exotic kernel]

I'm pretty sure

[exotic kernel]

For the story bits no?

[weak cosmos]

I messed up in a conversation with Roathe, if I want to help him I really need to reset?

I didn’t finish the chat hoping that it won’t count but I’m not sure

[exotic kernel]

I think you do have to redo it? Bc the first text with Roathe is making a deal

[exotic kernel]

I think once you picked the options you can't like cancel the whole chat I don't think

[weak cosmos]

Even if I wait to the next day?

[exotic kernel]

I think for the voice messages and story progression

Not that you must do the tower every week, just have to do it 21 times and that's it

[exotic kernel]

Yeah, any texts you didn't finish stay there

[weak cosmos]

Hell nah

I just got together with Marie 😭

so I really need to reset then…

[exotic kernel]

Lmao, I got together with Lyon, had to reset bc my Roathe was bugged

[exotic kernel]

Record the kiss scene first

Then you can choose to reset lmao

[weak cosmos]

For motivation xD?

[exotic kernel]

The kiss doesn't save like it does for the hex so you gotta record it

[weak cosmos]

I haven’t seen it yet

[exotic kernel]

You are in for a TREAT

[weak cosmos]

btw, you can’t help Roathe in the first run?

you really need to reset? Or it is posible?

[exotic kernel]

How exactly did you mess up?

I think I should've asked that first

[weak cosmos]

Give me a second

Is in a conversation of the close rank

Nvm

I closed the game and it reseted the conversation

[exotic kernel]

Damn so we good now

[weak cosmos]

Yes!!

[undone lodge]

He didn’t turn them for research in making the vessels, he was just inspired to afterwards

[solid otter]

Mhm.

By loid! :)

[undone lodge]

Pretty common tbh

Creating something and wanting to capitalise on it, so you change it to make it more “normal” and conventionally attractive q

[solid otter]

[exotic kernel]

Tis is unfortunate but DE has to get the biggest net to catch most of the audience

We do get a wide cast of personalities

Everyone has their flaws, stories, reactions to different thing all that

[thick cedar]

why is roathe trying to force my hand to make him forget everything

[hearty pendant]

he doesn't like what he remembered

[thick cedar]

too damn bad

[hearty pendant]

good answer

[rancid pilot]

Increasing the Roathe thermostat counter is for ||the redemption right?||

[hasty viper]

Quick question were is the best place to farm rubedo

[lofty girder]

Nah, Roathe went to military school. The grineer queens were social outcasts

[steep hemlock]

daddy here will Eat Wally up as soon as he appears on that seat

[balmy storm]

Infestation doesn’t vibe with him in the it fears him kinda way

That’s like preparing someone to have a wasp nest in their mouth

It will however look very funny

[steep hemlock]

Considering bro isnt appearing its the other way arround :3, maybe the warframes shield the tenno from wally in some way?

[solid otter]

He went to the school of "Archimedia" didnt he?

Curious name, isn't it?

[lofty girder]

I suppose he took ballistics in school

"Facsinating subject, things go up, things go down."

[fringe pond]

Thats one of the Murexes from the New War lmao

[undone lodge]

He went to a boarding school, Archimedea appears to just be a general use term for like, scholarly stuff

So a “field of Archimedea” would = “field of learning”

[lofty girder]

Not sure how i feel about Roathe pulling back the curtain on the Orokin way of life

[cerulean kiln]

Free lore is free lore go with it

[zenith jacinth]

the gyre methodology

[undone lodge]

It’s not like the mystery was ever an actual important factor of them

[zenith jacinth]

"skirt goes up, enemies go down"
-rebb, 202(2?)

[undone lodge]

There was mystery because we didn’t have all our memory and they were the previous civilisation. We still knew a bunch about them in-universe and have been exploring them and interacting with actual Orokin directly for a while now

[floral badge]

The concept of writing this for a person youve known for a few weeks while youre in a relationship with someone else 😭

[zenith jacinth]

the polyarmory is strong with drifter

[lofty girder]

smth smth different area codes

[cerulean kiln]

Now DE just needs to add dates for the other 6 Protos

[balmy storm]

They def do not and he isn’t appearing cause it’s random chance.

[balmy storm]

What polyamory

[zenith jacinth]

.

[balmy storm]

Scrap
You’re missing my joke

[valid folio]

I need more wifeframe

[fringe pond]

I think they’re being silly

[balmy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-disintegration-meme-ai-meme-funny-gif-5585270952676380091

[night zephyr]

I read that as wireframe

[balmy storm]

That’s a good ephemera!

[valid folio]

Wireframe models 😤

[fringe pond]

Randomly mentioning that i really like how all the Prime Vanguard frames float

[flat pilot]

randomly agreeing with you, its cool

[river forge]

Brothas. How tall do you think hunhullus actually is?

[quick smelt]

Clearly Drifter helps the infested lock in to fight Wally

While the Operator helps the Sentients lock in

We do a little something called jumping

[quick smelt]

Well by using Excal Prime and Operator we can-

[rare ginkgo]

I just realised, why does drifter still not have mid-mission Operator transmissions? I have the option turned on and everything. :\

[lofty girder]

Cause they're selectively mute

/s