spoiler-chat

[solid otter]

Lyon is honestly just really unremarkable

[night zephyr]

Maybe I'll ask Roathe to date for the capturas when his cathedral button is fixed

I think mine is ok but I touch grass

[solid otter]

Roathe is fine but its offset by the complete dismissal that he is responsible for Adis' death

[cinder marten]

Roathe already had memories of tenno fighting the sentients and winning, the tide was turning

[solid otter]

Folk dont even realise it most of the time

[cinder marten]

Like before the treaty

[feral barn]

Seriously, only reason why I confessed to Marie after the heated argument was because it wasn't direct

It was subtle, if she caught it, she did if she didn't, better luck next time

[night zephyr]

I feel bad for Adis but we also didn't have much time to connect to him. The quest wasn't that long and in comparison people have more time to connect with Roathe. That and they don't realize like you said

[balmy storm]

For starters it shouldn’t start with us cheating on our partner and then talking to them about it

Poly or not, that’d be a breakup

[solid otter]

Its not that hard tbh

[night zephyr]

They should have said I have to talk with my current partner before we do anything

[balmy storm]

Exactly!

[night zephyr]

Or like, get their permission before the date status is confirmed

[valid folio]

You get that option I believe

[feral barn]

Not with all of them

[night zephyr]

I like Lyon but he feels in the background if that makes sense

Maybe it's that you don't immediately talk to him

[feral barn]

Aclot of people actually connected with Adis because we'd been connected to our operator

[valid folio]

I've checked all the consent conversations and some of them are just so unrealistic. I do think some characters being against it outright would've more telling of that character's character

[night zephyr]

That is fair

[solid otter]

Its like

Convo -- confess to person, activate a boolean that causes your current partner to give you a chat before you can access any romanced options, ask for consent there, then go back to other person and go "they said yes/they said no" and go on from there

[night zephyr]

And a test of the people who are dating them

[solid otter]

Also

Make it that you cant ignore them.

[feral barn]

Like, we weren't exactly reacting to Adis, it was the reaction of our operator that got people invested

[solid otter]

You can just click end on the consent chats

[night zephyr]

If a partner is hard on "you are mine" (Lettie) I think it should be one or the other, it out of character for her to say oh ok with no pushback

[feral barn]

I just don't think it clicked to many people that Roathe is in a way involved in Adis death

[solid otter]

No hes too pretty and romancable for it.

[night zephyr]

Yeah that's true we don't see Adis die it's the operator reacting to that

[solid otter]

God. Sorry im getting frustrated

[valid folio]

Arthur's conversation says "I have feelings for another but it doesn't mean I love you any less" it's a 99% fail rate realistically

Every cheater says that 😭

[feral barn]

All good, it's rough topics out here

[night zephyr]

The Devil has his wicked wiles 😞

[night zephyr]

Starting with I have feelings for another is bad to begin with 😭

[valid folio]

EXACTLY

[night zephyr]

In a conversation asking for consent I think

That's lowkey wild

[valid folio]

If it was in a verbal conversation, you'd be shut out immediately

[solid otter]

And watch, those same people who love Roathe and forgive Roathe won't do the same to Albrecht bcs "oh but Albrecht hurt my friends :(((" AT LEAST THEY'RE ALIVE??? ROATHE DIDNT EXTEND THAT TO YOU AND ADIS.

God.

"No its different" HOW IS IT DIFFERENT

[feral barn]

Like, Eleanor is nice because we know she might be ok with it, but she comes to us and goes "I've seen her, I know you want to ask politely, answer is yes and I'd tap that too"

[night zephyr]

I think Arthur could be open to it but you would have to really reassure and convince him because he is sensitive and on edge a lot

[balmy storm]

Cause they can kiss him

[solid otter]

Rage.

[balmy storm]

Tooootally makes it different (not)

[valid folio]

Glad I didn't date anyone from the hex, I waited for the time they'd have added Protowisp, so glad I waited 😤

[solid otter]

Genuinely it pisses me off so bad.

Because that is why

[valid folio]

In Eleanor's case, she knows, I suppose you, mean well because she's literally in your head

[night zephyr]

I am a believer in orokin rights and orokin wrongs .. they've both done shit things but I also can't really hate hate either of them

[cinder marten]

Moreso that she can go to the deepest thoughts in our psyche and see the purest intentions of something

[feral barn]

Did you kill the racist cephalon?

[balmy storm]

I’m unsure if I can forgive Roathe yet
I’m unsure if I’ll forgive Albrecht
But regardless of forgiveness, both of em gotta pay
Roathe is doing it now and Albrecht, hopefully, will when this is done

[night zephyr]

I let him go cause he seemed to feel bad about it

[valid folio]

I saved Daklo

[balmy storm]

It’s such a bad reason and absolutely double standards

[night zephyr]

The option to blow him up is really funny though ngl

[cinder marten]

And she goes like

[solid otter]

I think bigots have a capacity to change when its all they've ever known

[balmy storm]

I got the info, called him a bigot and blew him up

[cinder marten]

If we trust our intentions then she trusts it too or something like that

[hearty pendant]

the closest thing is that albrecht is personally involved and roathe is plotting from afar
but that's. still not that big of a difference. he's still responsible for it

[solid otter]

So I let him live.

[night zephyr]

She is real for that

[feral barn]

In her case I'm pretty sure she might have seen her before in some way, plus if she's seeing glimpses of pur mind, she likely was keeping tabs on what we were doing with the triad

[feral barn]

Nice

[feral barn]

Same

[night zephyr]

Eleanor [Mind Freak]

[feral barn]

Agreed

[valid folio]

Yeah, she's more informed on intention than any of them, but again, it shouldn't be the standard, some of them should cut you off

[solid otter]

• i wouldn't say Albrecht is conventionally handsome/pretty so he doesnt get away with shit as often as someone who is would (like Roathe)

[balmy storm]

To me the Daklo moment isn’t about right or wrong or if he could be saved but more so about what makes sense for the Operator in that moment considering everything
And all the options make sense, but crashing out on him makes way more to me

[night zephyr]

Real

[feral barn]

I think anyone as a chance to change and despite it all, Daklo did show concern for Adis despite his methods of showing it

[night zephyr]

My operator realistically would have blown his ass up but I felt bad for him and his little owl robot body is cute

[obtuse gyro]

The thing about that is, he is part of the faction involved in generating the conditions that lead to Adis's death, but like with regards to that he's really only guilty by association.

Had the anarchs been the one to succeed, Adis wouldn't have died the way he did (hell, might even have survived). It is specifically because of Ballas's trickery that lead to that final fight with Adis

[balmy storm]

I think it does help we have more direct characterization too but eh

[valid folio]

I hope to see more of Daklo in Tau

[cinder marten]

Adis dying was an unintended consequence

[feral barn]

Indeed

[solid otter]

True, folk forget that roathe is a mass murderer, on his own choice

[night zephyr]

You also don't talk with him on the cellphone

[solid otter]

Funny you say that-

[night zephyr]

He is most of the time mentioned and not interacted with

[balmy storm]

I did not feel bad at all, he was repeatedly openly racist and my Operator was fully crashing out and being egged on

That being said, he’s a cephalon, destroying him does nothing lmao

[feral barn]

One that made Ballas give us the Devil nickname

[night zephyr]

The puter I mean

[feral barn]

That trash was scared of us

[night zephyr]

I don't blame you

I love that the option is there

[silent egret]

Do not text protoframes at 6AM when you're sleepy. Worst mistake of my life.

[balmy storm]

No matter our actions Daklo would likely walk away from it being proven wrong about the sentients and if he ever spoke out he’d either get rewritten or deleted

[feral barn]

......technically so are we

[night zephyr]

Maybe I'm too forgiving of most people

I've killed more grineer than Roathe ever knew

[obtuse gyro]

not technically lol, you have a convo with roathe where he compares that both you and him are about there in kill count

[balmy storm]

I wonder what Roathe thinks of the Nihil jar…

[feral barn]

checks stats
7 billion corpses of grieneer and corpus-

[night zephyr]

I also enjoy layered morality, gray versus black and white because nothing is ever that simple

That and our character is a mass murderer

So it's like I'm not any better than you lmao

I do it for the love of the game

(tellurium)

[balmy storm]

Same! That’s Warframe!

[cinder marten]

Roathe’s lines in descendia where killing folk who can’t fight back doesn’t narrow it down

[solid otter]

Yeah we absolutely are

[feral barn]

I said I didn't do it because I enjoyed it (even though sticking corpses to walls os funny)

[balmy storm]

The tenno are not good, they are not evil, they mass murder to keep the balance and to save the innocent
Horrible horrible actions to do a good thing

[solid otter]

We're killing dax who had no choice in what they're doing :)

[obtuse gyro]

and yet... in the same vein, we have people who cant get past characters who are short of polite (See: Albrecht, Kaya, Min, Roathe)

[balmy storm]

The difference ofc with us vs like
Albrecht is that we aren’t hurting innocent lives in the process (more so using him as an example)

[feral barn]

Warframe is positive Warhammer and that'll always be funny to me

[night zephyr]

I will kill more Techrot and scaldra than needed just because the sounds of hitting them are so juicy

Mostly the scaldra

[feral barn]

I mean....we kinda are

[balmy storm]

Wow I like all those characters

[balmy storm]

Not really?

[feral barn]

We don't know if that Corpus soldier had a family and this was their only job to pay off the debt

[balmy storm]

Closest we got is the night of the naga drums which wasn’t even our plan

[night zephyr]

Not unless you let that Lone Tenno Operative die out

[solid otter]

I mean we kinda are? Grineer and Dax dont exactly have a choice in their actions

[balmy storm]

Dax kinda do so long as there isn’t an Orokin about

[obtuse gyro]

corpo units are purpose bred for that more like

the ones in debt are down in debt colonies

[feral barn]

We help many by crushing the few, even if those few could have had better options

[balmy storm]

We help the innocent few by crushing the corrupt many

[feral barn]

Still, they could have better, we seen that with Khal

[night zephyr]

It's interesting cause we get to know characters like Kahl

Oh hey same thought lol

[feral barn]

XD

[balmy storm]

Anyone can be better, but they aren’t and we don’t have time to help every last soldier or give them an entire redemption arc

[night zephyr]

I miss that Corpus guy that blew up with the ship he hijacked

[obtuse gyro]

While true, you must also accept that these are enemy combatants, so you cant actually say we're killing innocents here

[night zephyr]

Alad V kept misspelling his name I don't even remember it

[feral barn]

Exactly, we don't know how many innocent ms we hurt in warframe on the guise of "we're helping yue innocent"

[obtuse gyro]

its not like we're hunting corpus civilians

[balmy storm]

The thing is there are good Grineer, good Corpus, even good Infested
But we strike down those who are harming the innocent now, those who could have changed but we don’t have time for that

It’s a gray situation on purpose

[night zephyr]

That's just war!!

[balmy storm]

Zero.

[feral barn]

It's a very Grey area

[cinder marten]

We fight for what we deem is right but we never condemned groups of people, we still try to understand them

[balmy storm]

Corpus are purpose bred
Grineer are born into war
Both start off doing and working for terrible things

[eager dagger]

Exactly my thoughts

[feral barn]

Unless we need that specific loot

[night zephyr]

lmao

[balmy storm]

With time they can change and evolve but that doesn’t change what they are doing and what they’re working for, willing or not

[obtuse gyro]

A combatant, no matter their background, can't exactly hide behind the shield of "innocence"

you can argue that they have a whole thing for themselves, and bemoan a life lost in the throes of war/combat. But innocence we cannot ascribe

you can however write several novels about how war results in the loss of innocence from children

[feral barn]

^

[balmy storm]

Hey wait i think they made a quest about that..

[night zephyr]

Thinking about war and connection with characters I think Fire Emblem Three Houses did a good job with that where in the first part you get to know everyone and in the second half, those same people that you were friends with are now facing opposite of you on the battlefield, it's heart wrenching when you liked the character

[feral barn]

In a way we do see that in New War

[eager dagger]

Fugg, Marie is giving the cavia birthdays today

[obtuse gyro]

because guess what came outta all the different wars over the millennia? a crap ton of books you have to study for lit class

[night zephyr]

Most of which never comes back into conversation apart from trivia on a whim

[obtuse gyro]

No thanks Lord of the Flies. Neither me or my classmates are going to kill each other on a deserted island, we're not that stupid

[feral barn]

And all of them are either shite, censored to hell or misrepresenting true events....

[night zephyr]

Even then it's more pop culture than historical trivia

[eager dagger]

Marie seems to only have two convo types the silliest shyte you’ve ever heard or so depressing you need a cry

[night zephyr]

Get you a girl that can do both

[eager dagger]

Get you a girl who doesn’t have mangled feet

[balmy storm]

I like it when she’s curious about stuff

[night zephyr]

Hey now that doesn't matter

To me

[eager dagger]

Yeah but like come on cripple girl do something more lore focused

[balmy storm]

If she can’t walk, pick her up (with permission)

[eager dagger]

For walking it does 🤣

[feral barn]

Marie as a 3rd convo type, freaking adorable goober

[night zephyr]

Well good thing she can float

If she didn't, wheelchairs exist

[eager dagger]

Convo tittle is just “goober”

[cinder marten]

A bee

[balmy storm]

And if they didn’t, y’all got arms

[night zephyr]

Crawl on your belly like the wyrms below you

[eager dagger]

Could just drag her across the floor by holding one arm …..dogs seem to love that shyte

[balmy storm]

No I mean like you pick her up 😭

[feral barn]

Now reminder, nuns are extra freaky, so expect tongue

[night zephyr]

Oh 😭 😭

[eager dagger]

Infested tongue?

[balmy storm]

This feels very dehumanizing

[feral barn]

Oui

[mental echo]

ok youre calling marie cripple girl and comparing her to.. a dog??

[night zephyr]

Strength training for Marie specifically

[eager dagger]

She’s not human

[night zephyr]

Bruh

[feral barn]

Depends on how it's done

[eager dagger]

Yes

[balmy storm]

She is. Literally human.

[cinder marten]

What would the tenno do without the lotus in the solar system

[mental echo]

shes a human dude what

[night zephyr]

Just cause she got a lil Warframe serum doesn't make her inhuman

[eager dagger]

I mean in lore? Sure but she’s a video game character

[mental echo]

okay?

[balmy storm]

And?

[eager dagger]

Human rights don’t apply to cripple NPC’s 😄

[feral barn]

Reminder, some girls love to be dragged around the Floor by their partner

[night zephyr]

A video game character written by a human as a human to connect to humans

[mental echo]

You start dehumanizing a character like that it kind of shows how youd treat someone irl

[worn fjord]

Wtf

[balmy storm]

This kinda shows how you might view actual real people

[eager dagger]

Very true

[hearty pendant]

can't respect a fictional character, can't be expected to respect an actual person

[eager dagger]

Or it could just be crippled video game NPC’s

[night zephyr]

Chat is this ragebait

[cinder marten]

He’s a meatball that hates people

[feral barn]

The way I treat characters on a first run is how I'd treat them IRL, then I can do everything Geneva wishes it had implemented on my second run

[hearty pendant]

and the lore of this game lmao

[balmy storm]

I’m just gonna say it is and never speak to them again

[cinder marten]

Ball meat

[eager dagger]

I mean it says “spicy”

[balmy storm]

Its ragebait or they’re genuinely a terrible person
Either way this ain’t worth the energy

[eager dagger]

Also video game characters aren’t people 🤣

[night zephyr]

Bro's only goal is to rile up people

[cinder marten]

You’re probably mild to someone with an acquired taste

[eager dagger]

Very fair point

[feral barn]

Video games characters aren't people, however they can be great at demonstrating social cues and understanding how to tackle people and their emotions

You don't need to view them as real, but you gotta connect with them

[cinder marten]

This sounds like a chatgpt response

[night zephyr]

We're so cooked

[hearty pendant]

huh

[eager dagger]

I’d disagree in nothing done to them in anyway has a real world effect so dragging the cripple around the sanctum is just a CGI form being dragged

[cinder marten]

Chatgpt are videogame characters people

[feral barn]

.........am I....becoming AI....

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-water-shaking-arm-day-interview-gif-5663482

[night zephyr]

There is zeros and ones actively forming in your brain

[eager dagger]

The AI’s are trying to normalize NPC rights D:

[balmy storm]

You have two options
Glass brain or adapting robot

[feral barn]

0 is the biggest lie known to man
1 is the greatest truth

[night zephyr]

If I could be chill like Cephalon Suda I'd be ok with it

[balmy storm]

Divide by zero

[eager dagger]

Ultron is that you?

[feral barn]

Actually, it can have effects on how you see real life people

[feral barn]

https://tenor.com/view/azalea22-bsod-blue-screen-of-death-vtuber-gif-13559518854951844194

[eager dagger]

No it doesn’t Grok stop trying to give NPC’s rights

[night zephyr]

It's telling how some people react to the Hex/Triad and complain that they won't talk to them/shut them out because they were rude and dismissive

Like if that's how you're treating a video game character I don't want to know how you treat your loved ones

[balmy storm]

[night zephyr]

If they have any in the first place

Sorry that sounds mean

[cinder marten]

Or people not gleaning more lore from roathe because they’re too prejudiced against anyone that’s orokin lmao

[feral barn]

Yup, many people and I mean this with no offense, but 80 to 90% of people viewing/playing any type of media.....is freaking god damn stupid

[hearty pendant]

there's a reason DE had to put this in the patch notes..

[balmy storm]

It is shocking to me how hard it apparently is to talk to them like real people lol

[night zephyr]

Literally the point of his character being to not judge him by Orokin alone 😭 😭

[eager dagger]

It plays in to what they AI’s want when you associate a cgi video game character as real person - you’re playing in to skynet’s hands

[night zephyr]

This is so real

[mental echo]

if you think people you interact with on the internet are ai's you need some help

[eager dagger]

Probably the only original idea in the protoframes is having a playable Orokin idk anyone who wasn’t excited for him

[uncut solar]

me

i wasnt

[feral barn]

Many people can not discern real from fiction, though fiction can be used to see how you'd genuinely interact and react to certain events that might/will never happen to you, it's baffling just how msny people don't separate that from reality

[cinder marten]

Ballas is orokin and he’s bad and albrecht is orokin and he’s bad so roathe must be bad too

Not the whole family upstairs tho, they’re the good ones

[night zephyr]

I loved the emojis being used specifically with Aoi the ASCII was fun ⊂⁠(⁠･⁠ω⁠･⁠*⁠⊂⁠)

It felt real to me in the way I would chat on the internet

[frozen heart]

Marie is in Anathema. I did the 21 layers of descendia for Roathe to get him out of it. What do I do for Marie? She’s been in it for 3 days now. She won’t talk to me either

[balmy storm]

It’s somewhat fair since all we kinda know is Orokin = bad but like
He’s just one dude, an individual, we can take him and maybe help him

[uncut solar]

next step is having a kim user with a typing quirk

[eager dagger]

The not telling real life from a video game are the people that maybe need to put online life down and touch grass

[balmy storm]

Same, all of the protos have been well written enough that it’s been a delight to talk with them

It’s like a very cool choose your own adventure book lol

[feral barn]

That's the thing, it's not even an online thing, it's just how their brain perceives things and tgey can't comprehend fiction≠reality

[uncut solar]

||almost literally, in case of Amir||

[cinder marten]

The point of the update is to challenge our preconceived notions on things that were presented before

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah! Lol

[eager dagger]

I would imagine there is some form of damage or trauma there as it’s so not normal

[night zephyr]

If I'm doing something to provoke someone in a game (or a bad/evil route) I'm doing it on purpose and know I wouldn't treat someone IRL like that, being able to discern and get into character is fun. Like a D&D character who's objectively a bad guy but you can distance yourself from him

[balmy storm]

And also that war is hell
But yeah! The triad are proving to be one of my favorite groups for sure

[night zephyr]

This is probably my favorite part about the conversations

[feral barn]

Unfortunately....you can have some charisma, tell someone to jump off a bridge for a prize and they will do it, that's most of the population and it is sad

[balmy storm]

I love my d&d character who’s a mad scientist that frankenstein’s magical creatures with tech
Does not mean I’d do such horrific acts lmao

[feral barn]

That's very good and honestly great training too, but so little people can do it

[cinder marten]

Then someone will come along and be like uhhh uhh that’s not true the memories are uhh lying to you

[eager dagger]

I wouldn’t associate gullible with the level of not telling the differed between what’s real and what isn’t - this would be a step above like something brought that on its damage or trauma

[night zephyr]

It doesn't come easily to everyone, I think it takes a lot of social practice and self-reflection honestly

[balmy storm]

If we keep saying its all lies then what’s the point of the update 😭

[cinder marten]

It’s a story that serves a purpose, not everything is a red herring because what is the point otherwise on presenting new information

[night zephyr]

Can't argue with someone whose only response is "nuh uh"

[eager dagger]

Which is the problem - everything is now just layering in to lore as “nope that’s a lie” when they want to retcon something

[feral barn]

We have to keep in mind this....we're about 8 to 9 billion humans on thus planet, at least 80% of us have access to the internet or a form of media, the total amount if people in the world that can easily disconnect reality from fiction and form critical opinions/thoughts is around 20 to 30%

[balmy storm]

Exactly
If we just say everything the characters say is coming from unreliable narrators then why’d they write it in the first place

[eager dagger]

This I would take as the mentally ill or traumatized

[feral barn]

It can be damage or trauma, it can also be education and a plethora of other things...or nothing

Humans are odd creatures

[hearty pendant]

understatement

[feral barn]

Indeed

[eager dagger]

Very much agree

[balmy storm]

What retcon lmao
We are not talking about the same thing

[night zephyr]

Also therapy, therapy has been very important for me in self-reflection and I wish everyone could have the choice to have it

[serene swallow]

this isn't 6th grade sociology, please go back to lore discussion and keep it respectful

[feral barn]

Of the entire earth's life cycle no less

[eager dagger]

Some primes being primes from the begining and some not - we were told it wasn’t the truth and that it’s the above

[night zephyr]

We did veer off topic whoops

[serene swallow]

no kidding

[feral barn]

My therapy is Doom or Warframe, it's cheaper (and a wife that's been there at my lowest)

[balmy storm]

I’m very glad DE added in trigger warnings before some of the new KIM convos, considering some of the subject matter

[eager dagger]

Use of lies to retcon is the comment was inference to

[night zephyr]

Yeah it's nice they let you opt out

[feral barn]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

With zero consequences!

[solid otter]

Other than the classic games doom isn't cheap wdym

[feral barn]

I honestly connect a lot of Lyon's experiences, not the family abuse, but the mindset

[feral barn]

I have my ways

[solid otter]

Last i checked doom eternal was like

[balmy storm]

I connect with Marie a lot in some regards, she’s def my favorite of the Triad

[solid otter]

$80 bucks, maybe more

[eager dagger]

You hearing echos of rell in your head too?

[cinder marten]

You can just subscribe to gamepass if you wanna play doom

[night zephyr]

Cheaper than therapy

[solid otter]

Oh doom 2016 is alright priced

[feral barn]

Similar, but not as extreme I'd say

[balmy storm]

Just play like
Rhino with the ghoulsaw lol

[solid otter]

TDA is $120

[balmy storm]

Rhino with ghoulsaw is free!

[night zephyr]

I think Lyon is the most similar to me but haven't had enough conversations with him yet to get hooked

[solid otter]

Man i be forgetting folk dont get free therapy

[feral barn]

Still cheaper then therapy XD

[balmy storm]

His convos are very interesting, I hope you enjoy

[solid otter]

Regardless doom ain't a particularly good thing to call therapy

[cinder marten]

Rell and the indifference existing in Lyon’s past is a product of eternalism surprise surprise

[balmy storm]

No

[cinder marten]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Eternalism doesn’t do that

[cinder marten]

It does

[eager dagger]

Based on the chat I don’t think it was ever the indifference it’s always been rell

[balmy storm]

It does not

[night zephyr]

The ones I have had have been quite good and deep, he is nice to talk to once he open up

[balmy storm]

But go off ig lmao

[feral barn]

When your brain is kicking in to murderous thoughts and wanting to punch people's teeth in? A good violence outlet that is safe is welcomed, Doom is good therapy for that

[balmy storm]

Agreed! I can’t wait to talk to him tomorrow

[balmy storm]

Retail?

[cinder marten]

Once something exists, especially something that can travel between points in time, then it now exists throughout ALL of time because past present and future all exist simultaneously

[feral barn]

Let's say the second voice in my head as less patience to deal with people than I do

[worn fjord]

I connect with both Marie and Lyon the most. Picking a fav is hard tho, Roathe is interesting as a character but my fav overall is Lyon

[cinder marten]

But once it’s snuffed out, fragments or consequences of it can still persist

[balmy storm]

Roathe is probably the hardest to connect to like the other two considering how unique he is tbh

[night zephyr]

It's funny cause I do relate more to Lyon and Marie but Roathe is the most entertaining to me, and he's quite deep, literally if you're going down the descendia

[worn fjord]

Lmao true

[worn fjord]

Exactly!

[balmy storm]

That is not what is observed at all

[balmy storm]

Yes that is the palimpsest of spacetime
Events can be rewritten by remnants of the original remain

[feral barn]

Welp, it's been fun lads, I'm gonna hit my head on a brick and pass out gor the night

[cinder marten]

When the rell and harrow thing happened, that exact moment also affected lyon who was in another point in time

[night zephyr]

Being Orokin, not necessarily ashamed of his past but acknowledges it, I'm not surprised

Man I know people are 50/50 on the protoframes and the KIM but I love it

[jagged sable]

...I don't know if that makes sense.....Time Travel's confusing. >_>;;

[feral barn]

It affected him prior to becoming a protoframe though, though he'd only notice once he did become protoframe

[balmy storm]

That doesn’t mean eternalism and is the opposite of the palimpsest of spacetime

[night zephyr]

Not even the romance stuff just the mass of dialogue trees and reactions, responses, connecting with the characters

[cinder marten]

Yes, it still had an effect

[balmy storm]

Same

I do hope if they do more they get another writer in

[night zephyr]

Definitely, is always good to have a second writer around

[cinder marten]

If it’s not eternalism, what do you think it is then

[balmy storm]

Future protos are prime real-estate for some interesting stories down the line with their origin always being simple, Albrecht

[pastel pasture]

Despite being more deep i have to admit the triad KIM conversations haven't been my favorite

I cared more about hex then triad

[balmy storm]

Idk but not eternalism lol

[night zephyr]

They won't click with everyone and that's ok

[cinder marten]

Fair lol

[night zephyr]

I will admit I did have more emotional connection to the Hex with the whole getting to know them and watching them all die thing

[pastel pasture]

the only real thing I am putting my foot down and saying is bad about KIM is the consent conversations

[night zephyr]

I think a lot of people agree on that

[pastel pasture]

feels really rushed and second thought-y

[balmy storm]

Same, plus the hype leading up to it built them up a lot too

[night zephyr]

For sure

[balmy storm]

I remember when we thought Quincy was Volt lmao

[cinder marten]

Of course they’re bad they wanna please the playerbase

Two romance partners hell yea

Kissy kiss

[pastel pasture]

i honestly would have rathered its just not mentioned at all

[balmy storm]

Oh those are 100% bad and I desperately hope they redo them in the new year

[pastel pasture]

let people who want to cheat cheat. it's a video game

[balmy storm]

We’re in an unfortunate pause where we will hear nothing for a good bit

[pastel pasture]

or like...make the consent conversations more then the same exact conversation for every person with tiny differences

[night zephyr]

I have faith that if enough people brought it up as an issue they would listen and alter them

[balmy storm]

The time travel not being cheating joke kinda ruined this before it started ):

[balmy storm]

I hope so, we’ll have to wait a bit

My guess is, at the latest til they update the other datable protos to have date scenes

[night zephyr]

Yep they're on holiday

[balmy storm]

If it’s not by then idk when ):

[pastel pasture]

Amir: if you love them I love them
Arthur: if you love them I love them
Elenore: threesome time
Quincy: if you love them I love them
Aoi: if you love them I love them
Lettie: if you amar them then las amo

[night zephyr]

Amar 🐺

[balmy storm]

Isn’t Lettie specifically monogamous-

[fiery oyster]

yaaaaaaaaaaaay 😄

[pastel pasture]

To be fair. I think she says she isn't into open relationships

open relationship and poly relationship are seperate enough

[fiery oyster]

I think its all working out

[night zephyr]

Congrats

[balmy storm]

I suppose so yeah, I’d have to check exactly what she says but I don’t wanna check KIMulacrum rn lol

[fiery oyster]

Best friends with Lyon although still at an impasse with Roathe, will have to focus on that tomorrow

[balmy storm]

I’ll take your word for it lol

[pastel pasture]

i assume its relationship conversation and i have done her yet

so i have not seen it myself. and i have no clue where to look for looking it up

[loud dock]

roathe's soft little rumble when he realizes he pulled on the drifter's arm too hard during the kiss im DYING

[pastel pasture]

Roathe's soft little whimpering on Descendia 21. he's DYING

[loud dock]

HKHFG---

[fiery oyster]

my Drifter looks so good now, holy crap

[loud dock]

they look AMAZING in the cutscenes yeah

[night zephyr]

Roathe at 0 HP at the same time he nukes, WE'RE DYING

[pastel pasture]

Roathe on 1st clear: Hell yeah let's go

Roathe on 21st clear: This stopped being about recovering my memories five kills ago hasn't it?

[cinder marten]

Revive me nyeeeooooowwww

Is my favorite one

[night zephyr]

omg i saw the downed screams he has they're hilarious

[jagged sable]

Me to Ballas as I'm going as I am going full-on "Puny God" on that noodle-armed blueberry: You're dying

[pastel pasture]

i have to build uriel

[fiery oyster]

yes you do, he is insanely powerful

[night zephyr]

It's quite easy and he's very fun

[pastel pasture]

i just don't wanna do perita

[night zephyr]

Especially with parkour velocity

[balmy storm]

I’d like to think they did Mynki proud

[pastel pasture]

look at much nonsense i need

[balmy storm]

Idk if they actually did but
Uriel is fantastic and being tied to such an amazing update and such a unique character with Roathe is amazing

[night zephyr]

Personally I like Pertia apart from that stupid shuttle mode where 1 dax in radius stops the whole thing from charging

[balmy storm]

Speaking of this nonsense
How are we getting those from a memory-

[night zephyr]

And finding the somachords is driving me mad but I'll have to follow a guide sometime

[balmy storm]

Probably ce but it’s never explained lol

[night zephyr]

Just Warframe things

[fiery oyster]

headcanon: we remember where we stored the stuff we looted

apparently, we have many caches lmao

[balmy storm]

Doesn’t really work though considering the ending

[fiery oyster]

space magic

Margulis, Lotus idk lol

[balmy storm]

Conceptual embodiment

[pastel pasture]

through the void all things are possible so write that down

Given how weird the dark refractory is I imagine it can manifest things

[balmy storm]

The void is
Right there lol

[cinder marten]

I spent all my farmed servoris on the marie daily shop and now i can’t craft uriel lmao

[balmy storm]

So conceptual embodiment lol

[fiery oyster]

ya know what.. that makes the most sense lol

[pastel pasture]

I suppose so yes

[fiery oyster]

at least, the most sense in a nonsensical way lmao

[night zephyr]

Coming outta the water with 1000 servois in hand

[fiery oyster]

"hey, dont mind me space mom, gotta give this stuff to the Drifter so he can buy his new gf something pretty" lol

[cinder marten]

Gotta complete more orders

[balmy storm]

Strong emotions and concepts do react with the void and our literal war memories would likely do that

[pastel pasture]

we know memories can be altered on a small scale

Roathe recalls memories in Descendia and Opeartor's memories meld together with Loid arriving in them, fully believing Loid to have been on Tau until they were grounded

[cinder marten]

But am too lazy

[balmy storm]

So
Conceptual embodiment seems like the obvious answer!

[fiery oyster]

least we have a form of lore explanation

not just "wishy washy game thing"

also, whats this clubhouse date with Marie?

[balmy storm]

We also know conceptual embodiment doesn’t always happen in the void, just that it’s involved

[night zephyr]

Captura I believe

[fiery oyster]

ohh right

[night zephyr]

There is dialogue? I think

[fiery oyster]

how in the hell do I get to captura?
-says the 2250 hours Tenno

found it

[cinder marten]

The zariman crew are products of conceptual bopittyboo

[balmy storm]

Void ghosts from trauma!

[jagged sable]

I wish we could get Xenoflora that same way, would make any more attempts at a new peace with the sentients back in Tau a lot easier.

[cinder marten]

They now live forever to upgrade our guns and ask us to do cleanup duty

[fiery oyster]

there a way to replay the cutscene with the Triad or no?

[pastel pasture]

what is each recall mission good for?

which one

[jagged sable]

The intro cutscene? Not that I know of.

[fiery oyster]

the romance scene

[balmy storm]

Even if we could idk if it’s hold the same properties
We don’t know what made it special afaik, not that that would stop the void

[fiery oyster]

mostly cause I missed a couple good images lol

[jagged sable]

ooooh, you'd have to wait a week for that.

[fiery oyster]

awwwww lol fine

[balmy storm]

But think about it
We ce up some xenoflora, give it to the fragments, they have just consumed an object born of and made of the void, thus poisoning if not killing them

It may have the same properties and grant the fragment individuality but it’s still voidstuff

[cinder marten]

The void is just space with a whole lot of nothing, pure nothingness, so much so that emotions which are intangible can fill the nothingness then it becomes real woah

[balmy storm]

Also concepts

It loves some good concepts

The void also lacks space and time
It has unspace, untime

[fiery oyster]

Wait, that's not fair then, I have to wait till next year!

[balmy storm]

It is the other to our world of dust

[cinder marten]

If a tree falls in the void does it make a sound

A spaceship full of humans traveled into nothingness

An orokin scientist looked into it and reflected his indifference like a mirror

A children’s storybook taught them to control their emotions when encountering the void, who knew that trying to be indifferent would still yield a result lol

[pastel pasture]

loaded a dacolyst perita. put khora on to get extra materials

nobody joined. ended up having to whip the boss to death after i ran out of ammo

[rancid pilot]

Roathe just said he couldn't stand me, it's so over

[uncut solar]

He should sit then

[winged ore]

There is a new albrecht note!

it's on the triad and needs 5 total scans

or the 99 squad, not sure

seems to start with a note on the "plague year", so I assume 99

[hearty pendant]

there have been 5 sections of his notes for a while, i believe since whispers released?
aftermath, cavia, duviri, vessels, we end as we began

[winged ore]

I have somehow never gotten vessels before

[pastel pasture]

alright uriel parts are crafting

khora made that not as bad of a grind as it could have been

[placid wraith]

Sleeping in the cold below~

[pastel pasture]

Sisters below, below, we're going where the winds don't blow

[pastel pasture]

I have done it

blood of perita is complete

[reef compass]

the end is never the end

[pastel pasture]

i actually might not be done. i have an inconsistent number

but also....im kinda sick of it soooo

[reef compass]

oh i am soooo not grinding lately, playing other things to not... burnout so much of perita

[pastel pasture]

whats even the point of perita?

is it literally just for materials for vinq/uriel and arcanes?

[reef compass]

the artifacts, stuff and ikeaframe

[pastel pasture]

oh right. tauron weapons

🥱

[reef compass]

i only got 2 so far, and want a third and... that's that really ngl

but i knowww i will grind it alllll

[delicate lagoon]

Looking at the Kimulacrum for Lyon (assuming everything else goes well), is the best ending for Lyon is finding his faith again? Or it's not that consequential like Marie's thoughts of Entrati and Roathe's chance of redemption?

It's pretty confusing to map out

[reef compass]

i glanced over "kimulacrum" and literally away

[uncut solar]

New prime grineer weapons, Uriel materials, tauron strikes, amp mods, tauron arcanes

And ikeaframe, yes

[reef compass]

yup i just... didnt want to make the wall look even higher so, stuff ahaha

then again with just two artifacts i already got all artifact arcanes maxed and all the mods <_<

[merry hatch]

The answer is clearly yes and no.

[frozen heart]

Marie is in Anathema. I did the 21 layers of descendia for Roathe to get him out of it. What do I do for Marie? She’s been in it for 3 days now. She won’t talk to me either

[night zephyr]

If you haven't done anything to upset her, there seems to be a bug with her that hopefully gets resolved next hotfix

[frozen heart]

Ah thank you!

[worn fjord]

Finally asked Lyon out his reaction and responses were very wholesome

[flat loom]

Yes

[abstract sorrel]

I asked Roathe out

[pastel pasture]

2nd image seems so out of character for Lyon...in a good way

[lament thicket]

Honestly it just seems like Lyon needed someone to lean his head on for emotional support.

[thorny barn]

Romance Marie
Do a mission
Come back

What 😭

[hallow wharf]

Visual bug

[rain otter]

Tauron are cool.

[torpid depot]

Well crap.

Think I might need to hit that reset 😩

[solid otter]

Reset time.

[torpid depot]

Disappointing but true. Time to wipe the slate clean and start over.

https://tenor.com/view/mystery-button-push-to-start-suspense-moment-secret-button-mystery-action-gif-587226127799746454

Hopefully I don't mess things up again.

[torpid depot]

And I suppose I have to do descendia 21 times again

[real cloak]

So.. I just saw Lyon's romance scene on YT.
I feel bad for the folks who romance him, it's so awkwardly timed 😩

[solid otter]

What

[delicate lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

[solid otter]

No its honestly the best one

[real cloak]

Like yes, I know he's traumatized and that's not going to change anytime soon, but in the middle of one of his attacks? Idk chief

[solid otter]

Thats...

A good time to do jt

He cant ground himself properly, so he requires others, and that being only you

[torpid depot]

I figured as much.

ONCE MORE INTO THE INFERNO!

[real cloak]

I'm not going to pretend that it wasn't uncomfortable 😅
Time and place. It didn't feel like the time though.

[hearty pendant]

you don't. that progress will stay

[nimble palm]

Does anyone know what these things scattered around Maries Amphitheater do? Can't interact with them at all

[winged ore]

they give you lore

if you can't interact with them, you have in the past

[hearty pendant]

you probably can't intreract with them in the captura scene
but they're duviri related codex stuff yea

[winged ore]

oh i didn't catch that this was captura

[nimble palm]

I just unlocked the scene so I'm just confuzzled

[hearty pendant]

yea in their normal context, they're lore and intrinsic pickups
they're probably just decor or leftovers there

[torpid depot]

You sure? I just got the voice line when you do it the first time

[hearty pendant]

all of the VMs should load in shortly after you reset, maybe after a mission or chat
not sure why it'd play that voiceline unless those haven't registered yet

[torpid depot]

Did descendia 5 times and only 5 VMs have appeared.

[sacred pebble]

So to romance marie is to tell her the truth about intrati ?

Ight i hope she understand how ugly ahh intrati is

[fierce kiln]

Roathe no longer has his status being "needs more time convincing loid" 👀

[alpine axle]

i'm a faithful boi, i romanced Aoi and will stick to Aoi, won't romance anyone else

[zenith jacinth]

I thought the same but I got tired of hearing her hyper-horny backroom lines within a week

[fierce kiln]

so, came across the concept art for loid and

dear god albrecht youre so down bad

idc if its unused its a canon outfit he had to me 😭

[zenith jacinth]

@solid otter

I summon the loid simp

[solid otter]

IM.NO SIMP

[fierce kiln]

primed corset + thigh highs

[solid otter]

God he was always supposed to be gay as shit

And what seems to be an orokin

Which is neat.

[fierce kiln]

well hes a butler for an orokin so the golden swag is preinstalled

[alpine axle]

do like me: play with volume to 0 and listen to music

[solid otter]

Also, this can just be true. All those fits could've happened, due to eternalism- * gets shot *

[abstract sorrel]

Is this game broken

[zenith jacinth]

Unfortunately I rely on hearing stuff like hex treasures

[alpine axle]

ah

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[alpine axle]

always has been

[hearty pendant]

we're yet to see a wardrobe in the sanctum, don't need eternalism for him to have those outfits stored away somewhere

[abstract sorrel]

I began a romance with Roathe and suddenly I’m anathema and blocked but when I go to the section it says that I’m close and began a romance with him, and also somehow says that I maybe said something that convinced him I only want physical affection… what?

I literally didn’t say shit outside of confessing feelings

I’m baffled.

[solid otter]

We're yet to see Loid's bedroom either, though I feel as though he sleeps in Albrecht's

[zenith jacinth]

Well, how did your last convo with him go

[zenith jacinth]

Nah he only goes to albrecht's to cry

[abstract sorrel]

Fine. That was the convo I confessed feelings to him and said I loved him

[solid otter]

I mean if he does that every night to go to sleep, might as well

[zenith jacinth]

Loid set up a bed in a closet so he doesn't have to go to albrecht's room

[abstract sorrel]

So I’m confused on what happened somehow because I turned off the game after that and just got back on it only to see this

[solid otter]

Bro is so real to cry himself to sleep

[abstract sorrel]

This might actually be a bug ngl

[zenith jacinth]

Screenshots?

[hearty pendant]

probably, i've heard a lot of people are getting hit by a fake anathema right after romancing one of the triad

[solid otter]

Which is so funny to me

[zenith jacinth]

Not saying I don't believe ye, just wanna make sure what specifically happened

[solid otter]

Mightve had a boolean active from a old convo about jt

[abstract sorrel]

This is some bullshit

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah you said you only like him for his looks basically

[solid otter]

💀

[abstract sorrel]

The other option was pretty much the same thing? It was something along the lines of “I want a taste of Orokin skin”

[zenith jacinth]

Seems like an intended wall to be solved in a day or so

[abstract sorrel]

🗿

I hope so

I picked the option that sounded LESS bad

[zenith jacinth]

Tru

[fierce kiln]

hmm i think hes just shy 😇

[abstract sorrel]

Not to mention HE of all people should be the last one being upset at that considering I went to him right after romancing and he was talking crazy

Bro said “I was expecting you to sit in my lap”

[zenith jacinth]

He's an orokin.

Those muckers can't be shy

[abstract sorrel]

I would expect that from Lyon

Possibly Marie

Not Roathe

[fierce kiln]

playing hard to get

[solid otter]

No but once they almost die, they have a habit of becoming really really insecure and full of self loathing

[atomic grove]

does anyone know why it says i have anathema with marie?

[pine eagle]

Is Roathe's romance bugged?

There is no option..

[worn fjord]

You have to be at Loved rank for the option to appear. Same goes for the other protoframes

[pine eagle]

Isn't Loved rank after you start dating them(?)

[worn fjord]

Possible bug with Marie.. but what was your last convo with her?

[hearty pendant]

roathe's cathedral romance is bugged, the option to ask to date doesn't exist, see #game-updates, you can only confess during a convo atm

[zenith jacinth]

Not immediately

Oh uh wait yes

DE calling it dates and dating is confusing

[golden tulip]

has anyone else gotten their captura dating scene from the triad and is just... disappointed? like what am I supposed to do with it besides listen to like the 5 idle lines Roathe has?

[zenith jacinth]

What did you expect

[tropic venture]

Well, it's Captura

you're meant to make screenshots

[solid otter]

Take a photo and leave

[golden tulip]

i cant stand anywhere even close to him, the perspective is weird so he looks smaller than me

[atomic grove]

about the birthdays of the cavia and it still says im close with her

[solid otter]

The cavia have birthdays???

[zenith jacinth]

Obv

[solid otter]

Neato. That's cool

[gaunt acorn]

The way you can hear Roathe growling like some big cat in the kissing scene

[solid otter]

I know that an animal would have a birthday i mean that they can remember it 😭

[golden tulip]

they took the booktok "He growled" literally

[solid otter]

He is just bait for that slop tbh

[worn fjord]

You probably have to finish a couple more R5 Close convos. Then you’ll reach R6 Loved/Bestfriends

[gaunt acorn]

This is when I knew I chose the right freaky blue man to romance

[worn fjord]

Again it’s possibly a bug too

[zenith jacinth]

Like there's more than one option of blue men to romance

[golden tulip]

i wasnt expecting this, but honestly what else did i expect after his dating voice lines

[pine eagle]

I'll wait for that KIM confesssion then

[golden tulip]

i ignored my roathe conversation for a couple of hours and it changed to the confession convo when i checked back in the afternoon. Good luck

[worn fjord]

I’m hearing a lot of players get this anathema bug from Marie. Funnily enough for one player it went away when they started dating Lyon. Marie wanted to talk about it so the anathema bug went away 😂

[pine eagle]

I just did my daily convo today, will it change laterrr or after server reset? (next day)

[golden tulip]

im not sure if i got lucky, but maybe tomorrow dont do the conversation and see if it changes after a few hours

[worn fjord]

Hoping that I don’t get the bug and if I do..then Marie yes you can talk about Lyon with me😂

[gaunt acorn]

My talk with Roathe today, something he said about Nitokh was like "...oh. That bad.".
||That if she was still somehow alive, we may end up wishing Ballas would come back.||

[atomic grove]

lmaoo thank you tho

[worn fjord]

If Nitokh ends up being alive -

My drifter: She’ll wish that she was six feet under

[worn fjord]

I hope that bug goes away for you

[wicked pike]

Soooooo DE not to be undeniably thirsty on main but when are we getting more discussions on That Tail.

....is the knife permanently attached to the point drift has to stick a pool noodle on the end for safety or is it removable.

[bitter spoke]

I pursued the clicheic Aoi - Marie romance options, and I must say:
I'm not sure if it's just me but while Aoi seems somewhat excited of the whole Multiple Partner thing, Marie seems a bit passive agressive with it.

[wicked pike]

Bringing Roathe back to show to El. I feel like those two might just get along cause Roathe likes to talk and El likes to inquire, but will also absolutely call him on his shit when needed.

[dire slate]

is anybody experiencing being disconnected randomly on Temporal Archimedea without host migration? Like full-party disconnect? it's happened to me twice these past few weeks, once already on part 3, second time today at part 1.

[viral falcon]

How do I reset the relationships with the Devil's Triad

[undone lodge]

There should be a book button and it’ll open a screen similar to this

[viral falcon]

Thank youuuu

[strange siren]

Something interesting

Lua and Sol, the luminaries

They fall in love with each other, but think of this

Sol is one of billions of stars

Lua is one of 290 moons in our solar system

cosmically, Sol is insignificant
relationally, Sol is irreplaceable
Sol is one dot in an endless sea of fire
to Lua, there is only him

then again, i could be reading this wrong

[floral badge]

Omg the first one 😭

[solid otter]

I wonder if someone's chosen that. It would be stupid and completely wrong and a whole misinterpretation of Albrecht's character

[hearty pendant]

i'm curious if that one is tied to EntratiMonster1/2 in any way

[solid otter]

Mm, probably?

Kimulacrum might have it as a boolean

Boolean is such a funny word

[hearty pendant]

no that's a default option for some reason??
it does trigger an evaluate thing for what you think of entrati though

[solid otter]

huh.

Weird asf lol

[plush thicket]

anyone knows what anathema on marie and roathe mean?

[solid otter]

Tldr you got blocked for pissing them off

[hearty pendant]

or its a bug
kinda 50/50 atm

if you got anathema for roathe after you promised not to dive deeper into descendia, break that promise
this is the only advice i have, dunno if it applies here or not

[plush thicket]

i manage to get voice messages from roathe but marie has me blocked for no reason even though im in romance with her, i think i bugged out marie

[zenith jacinth]

You are reading way too much into it

[strange siren]

probably

[formal fable]

roathe asking you to bonk him again

[celest hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-warframe-1999-nuke-bomb-gif-6646191105558762047

[craggy mirage]

Hello friends, I finally romanced Marie yesterday and then bought her Gemini skin afterwards. However even though there should be special voicelines for the skin when you are dating her, it just plays the normal ones as if I wasnt. Is anyone else having this issue?

[jagged sable]

I don't think you're the only one. other gemini-skin buyers have similar issues.

[cerulean kiln]

I don't even think it is an actual issue I don't think DE made unique dating dialogue

[loud dock]

You don't get the dialogue until you get "Loved" - You need to rank up more with her not just Close.

It triggers their unique romance lines when you can kiss them / go on the captura dates with them.

[craggy mirage]

I am at loved, I have kissed them and had the captura date

[loud dock]

Oo — Aite; bug.
I've gotten Roathe's definitely.

[craggy mirage]

Damn :[

[loud dock]

There's been a lot of bugs with these three. 💔

[craggy mirage]

Yeah I hope this gets fixed soon, I need this on an emotional level

[loud dock]

Unrelatedly - God the nonverbal communication in each of their kisses is still so good. 😭

[cerulean kiln]

Definitely won't get fixed till DE return

[craggy mirage]

The kiss with marie had me floating irl

[loud dock]

She's SO CUTE...

[night zephyr]

They went all out with that one

[loud dock]

Like man picking which one to romance was actually really hard going through their KIM convos but I've got a soft spot for bastards that only act that way because they haven't been given genuine companionship. DHFHJFJFK

[craggy mirage]

She is so seductive in such an infuriatingly cute way Im literally on my knees

[cerulean kiln]

Damn she grabbed you through the screen

[loud dock]

(Roathe silently reaffirming consent with his kiss scene is so—AAAAGHHH. ALSO HE'S CATBOY CODED WHAT?)

[craggy mirage]

I have a friend who romanced Roathe going "Im gonna **** the smug face out of him"

[craggy mirage]

I wish

[craggy mirage]

I also find it so cute how he gets reeaally protective of marie when you start dating her

[loud dock]

he's super protective of both of them it's precious

[night zephyr]

Man discovers friendship

[loud dock]

I'm??? Pleasantly surprised that despite getting villian he's—still actually nice too. LMAO?
(I was going in blind.)

[night zephyr]

Well villain and redeemed routes seem both good endings for him, the bad one is leaving him in purgatory

[loud dock]

It feels more of a "Please let me kill for you and we'll burn down anything that tries to imitate the Orokin Empire. Okay? <3" than him being totally irredeemable.

[zenith jacinth]

[feral barn]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, we can be so savage with the triad

Like unnecessarily so

[misty sand]

Is this a bug or do I need to actually go to decendia

[fallow sonnet]

gotta fight him, assuming you've not gotten all his VMs yet

[misty sand]

All 21 and I started the romance

Cos fml i hate fighting him...like hearing him beg for me to stop makes me feel disgusting

[shell palm]

Did anyone else's rank 6 chat with Roathe just say [end] instead of what you actually said with Roathe or is it just me

[wooden fractal]

You know when you're done if his line is at the acceptance stage of grief. "Perfunctory, perfunctory, perfunctory" is the line.

[supple dagger]

i had it happened, i beat all 21 heard the vms waited a day and now he wants to talk to me, tho idk what to pick to not make him hate me lol

[pure merlin]

No, but for some reason my chat doesn't show up in the history, as if it never happened. So maybe that convo is bugged

[shell palm]

I'll just add it to my list of several bug reports

[dense rapids]

Hey does.. anyone have a bug with Marie's text chat just taking ages to type out? She's been typing for five mins 😭

[shell palm]

It's a bug and the messaging is soft locked

[dense rapids]

Thank you, I thought so but wasn't entirely sure

[pastel pasture]

i have all the launchers now

i am...invincible

[echo basalt]

quick question

you got a custom k drive yet?

have you gotten a functional necramech

[pastel pasture]

yes
Yes

[prisma torrent]

Where are marie’s romance voice-lines?

[pure merlin]

A Kaithe gear thing ?

[uncut solar]

duviri intrinsics allow you to unlock kaithe for open world

movement is not limited in any way

pure horse

[pure merlin]

Interesting, didn't know that

[misty veldt]

You can name it too. I would have too look but I think I named mine corvaria

[zenith jacinth]

named mine roach

I'm very creative

[lunar adder]

I named mine H O N S E 😭

[uncut solar]

i should name mine

[shadow forum]

So the priest had a brother.

Chains of harrow

[obtuse gyro]

eh no

[echo basalt]

i mean not in the traditional sense

[pastel pasture]

Or any sense

Harrow is a warframe strain. Probably not even a unique one

[obtuse gyro]

definitely not the way lyon talks about the other harrows

[lofty girder]

I don't think we can pin the cause onto the warframe, this is definitely the void side of shenanigananery

[void roost]

We getting cute voice lines with transference with the new Protoframes if we date them?
Like the Hex?

[cerulean kiln]

It’s either bugged rn or they don’t exist currently

[void roost]

The despair

[lofty girder]

The triad skins seem... Half baked rn tbh, they lack facial animations too

[uncut solar]

They have facial animations

They are just bugged

Sometimes animations start and immediately cut off, resulting in a blink and you'll miss it face twitching

Faces are properly rigged otherwise

[crude stone]

Can someone tell me why my status with roathe went from trusted to neutral all of a sudden?

[cerulean kiln]

Bugs

[crude stone]

is that confirmed?

[cerulean kiln]

Confirmed by DE, no
A bug, yes

It isn’t on their list because they’re on their break

[crude stone]

Ah of course

I hope its only a visual bug

[south fable]

Bugs and or you failed his conversations

[worn fjord]

What do the notes on Roathe’s profile say

[echo basalt]

y'all think de is gonna drop an echoes update in febuary?

[uncut solar]

Hopefully

[crude stone]

it turns back to the neutral notes

an orokin here? etc..

[prisma torrent]

I was about to complain about that on the forums

[night grail]

I mean kinda but not really

||Lyon feels a brotherhood with Rell and Harrow but that's really it||

[worn fjord]

Hmm then it’s a bug

[tight pagoda]

An echoes update is confirmed, but not date or details yet

[pastel pasture]

You know what warframe we need?

A bird frame. I want to shoot feathers and have a titania style flying

[fringe pond]

Zephyr:

She less flies and more floats but still

You basically want Zephyr with razorwing

[pure merlin]

We need a dino frame

Or a croco frame

[fringe pond]

Lizard……..

[pure merlin]

But very scaly

Super tanky and all

[round hare]

yes. please.

chroma comes close but it's not the right vibe

[pure merlin]

He's more like a dragon

I'm thinking full on t-rex that eats people, but not like Grendell

[mystic wraith]

DIE

captiv8 🦋

hydrofluoric acid enemaup your rear

wither away

your heart will explode -cthun

[uncut solar]

Uh

[rain dew]

https://tenor.com/view/my-love-story-with-yamada-kun-at-lv999-yamada-lv999-anime-yamada-lv999-akane-akane-confused-confused-anime-gif-16048699582846891922

[wicked pike]

Hey DE can we talk about making roathe purr growl in the cutscene cause I need to buy a round for yalls

[wicked iron]

🔨

[sacred pebble]

This chat need to be named freaky spoiler

[eager dagger]

So is the steel path the only way to get the Burston incarnon?

[echo basalt]

yep

[eager dagger]

Balls

[zenith jacinth]

[pure merlin]

Did someone get a message from Loid or anyone on reset rn after finishing all convos ?

[winged ore]

I had a chat with roathe, only he had tonight, and he said it is time for him to thank me and give me something. I guess his gift was the "best friend" status

I expected it to be the plan for reuniting Loid and the Fam

[winged ore]

no just Roathe

[pure merlin]

Damn, I see

[winged ore]

yeah I expected a message or something, but nah

maybe tomorrow? since I got Roathe's best friend status tonight

[pure merlin]

If you just turned best friends with him you might have more chats tomorrow yes

[winged ore]

I had no messages from the rest of the triad though

[eager dagger]

Ok this was actually funny

[winged ore]

I will also say I've not missed a single day so far and I have everyone's good ending on note

[pure merlin]

I asked because I've gotten the last convo yesterday to reunite Loid with the Entrati's, and expected him to text me today but got absolutely nothing, and my chat with Roathe from yesterday just doesn't show up on the history, so was wondering if Loid's bugged or something

[eager dagger]

How did you get to the end so quick? I’ve done every day so far and not finished

[winged ore]

I've gotten the chats from everyone about helping when "it's time" including roathe so 🤷‍♂️

He did say all he needed now was time, last time we talked about it

[pure merlin]

I don't know lol, I just chatted with everyone everyday, and just kind of choose what I would have said on every chats without overthinking it

[hot cloak]

i finally ranked up yesterday and were so excited i forgot to update here to where i scream (i wish i didnt have to wait a week to kiss my pretty man 😔 ]

[pure merlin]

Yeah that's way before the last chat, for me he just said it was time like right now, yesterday

[lament thicket]

What the hell do I even...

[hot cloak]

i refused

[lament thicket]

What did he say?

[hot cloak]

wait let me check real qiuck

[lament thicket]

Cause I really want to redeem him.

[eager dagger]

Marie asked if I’m closer to getting the devil to help and I said I was close then talk to Roathe asked how he was doing with the other two and he said he wants to drown himself in the refractory pool 🤣

[pure merlin]

What have they done to him 😭

[solid otter]

Might’ve missed some boolean (the familycounter is a significant one)

[hot cloak]

he said good luck lol

[eager dagger]

You don’t have to wipe his memories he gets over it

[lament thicket]

Oh thank CHRIST.

[solid otter]

Thermostat doesnt actually affect the reunion iirc

[eager dagger]

I had that line a few days ago I refused to wipe him and he gets over it the next day

[pure merlin]

I mean, I have max standing with the Necralisk, max with Cavia, Marie, Lyon and Roathe all agreed to help, and got the convo yesterday where Roathe said he was going to talk to Loid and reunite them

So unless I'll get that convo in a few days, feels kind of bugged to me

[lament thicket]

I mean it's free chem points so closer to my goal to redeem him.

[night grail]

Thats not a boolean

Those only return true or false

FamilyCounter is an integer

[eager dagger]

What is with this anathema standing?

[winged ore]

if roathe is at anathema, you need to do more descendia

[eager dagger]

He gets over this you’re fine

[dry cove]

So Play all KIM conversations is unchecked on my settings. Will it be faster to progress through the ranks with it on or off?

[hot cloak]

i did that talk yesterday and then romanced lyon lmao

[eager dagger]

I just completed the descendia moments before 🤣

[winged ore]

if it's off, it's faster

[hot cloak]

what if its marie

i cant talk with her lol

[eager dagger]

Yeah you’re fine with Roathe it’s part of the story

[winged ore]

tbf I never had roathe go to anathema

we were always good

[hot cloak]

mine went anathema when we were "close" status

[eager dagger]

The chat is fine it’s just the designation of anathema that pops up

[winged ore]

but I always did descendia on reset and farmed uriel early on, so I got his 21 defeats pretty quick

yeah he never got anathema for me

[hot cloak]

its weird because i could date marie if i asked her lol

[winged ore]

I have finished all the triad chats, but my play all kim is off

[eager dagger]

And I’m far passed doing descendia 21 times so it’s weird

[winged ore]

I only had 1 message from roathe today

[winged ore]

have you gotten the honoria from doing so?

[hot cloak]

its gonna be same with hex? 🙁

[eager dagger]

Yes

[winged ore]

then you're good

[hot cloak]

lyon message spammed me and didnt even let me answer him smh i gotta wait for tomorrow now

[tight pagoda]

I refused (which is the better answer) but that's completely locked all conversations with him

I think what's meant to happen is that you ask another member of the Triad to help convince him in a chat

but there are no more chats

[hot cloak]

nauuur

not againnn

[winged ore]

I guess I am getting the reunion tomorrow?

did anyone get it today?

[hot cloak]

reunion?

[pure merlin]

Well, I was supposed to get it today, lol

[shadow cairn]

I’ve now learned Roathe’s motivation for helping us reunite Loid with the family… y’all are in for quite the development

[brazen glen]

wot reunion?

[tight pagoda]

Between Loid and the Family

[winged ore]

loid and entrati family

[hot cloak]

wot

[brazen glen]

oh that one, I didnt

I wanna say you get it when you exhaust all dialouge but idk

[hot cloak]

how are yall so fast damn

[pure merlin]

But like I said, I can't tell if it's bugged or if you need to wait more days

[eager dagger]

No, you’re fine I refused too and he was over it by the next convo cycle

[tight pagoda]

I refused 3 days ago

Now he's in Anathema and the game is telling me to disobey him and do more Descendia

[hot cloak]

loll

[tight pagoda]

but I've done all 21 voice memos

[eager dagger]

Oh that’s weird then …..he was over it by the next convo cycle for me

[hot cloak]

disobey!

[pure merlin]

Hopefully the chats are fixed soon if Loid's bugged

[hot cloak]

he is not in anathema for me but it tells me to disobey to me too

[feral barn]

Hm, now what

[hot cloak]

uh

did i even have this chat hollon

[feral barn]

3rd option feels wrong, second option feels weak, first option feels desperate

[analog moat]

Spill the tea

[hot cloak]

the beans.... spill them...

[hot cloak]

if it will convince you i can make coffee

[shadow cairn]

I know this is the spoiler chat but like

Now i feel weird about it lol

[hot cloak]

okay is the reason bad or good

[analog moat]

Just use the || before and after

It ||hides||

[shadow cairn]

Dang i keep forgetting about that ok

||Roathe wants to gain the family’s trust and protect them right up until Albrecht returns, at which point he plans to kill them all||

[analog moat]

is this with redemption ark ?

[boreal ermine]

I just did the "Spend time alone" with Marie, and goddamit DE i need more, not only of her but of every Protoframe, now like omg

[hot cloak]

||so he wants their trust until alb comes and roathe will kill his family in front of his eyes?||

[pastel pasture]

A lot of people want to do that....minus the family part but still

[hot cloak]

||or kill alb front of the entrati family||

[shadow cairn]

||yes. He really was playing the long game the whole time, sick freak lol||

Idk exactly hold on

[pastel pasture]

I feel like ||people who don't want to kill albrecht|| is a smaller list

[pure merlin]

He has never hidden the fact that he wants him dead

[hot cloak]

||ooh he think giving him pain is better than killing him||

[boreal ermine]

Question i have everyone wanting to help reunite the family is there a next step or it stops here?

[hot cloak]

no wait did i misunderstand lol

[analog moat]

But what would be the point of redemption?

[shadow cairn]

Um. All of a sudden i can’t read back the chat… it’s making it look like i ended it early

[hot cloak]

||roathe wil pew pew alb or pew pew the family?|| answer as if im 4

[shadow cairn]

This isn’t even the same chat what the heck

[fallow sonnet]

I redeemed him and for the family stuff he says ||protecting the family is a kind of penace he wants to pay when Alb's debts come due||

[shadow cairn]

I’m confused this was not the same chat that i got earlier

[hot cloak]

roathe got in your chats and deleted the evidence..

[pure merlin]

Some chats seems bugged and don't seem to show up in the history correctly or at all

[fallow sonnet]

that convo has a display bug, im p sure, mine doesn't show the path I picked either

[hot cloak]

the BUGS are killing me 😭

[pure merlin]

Like that convo you talked about and the rank 6 convo 1 for me are just gone from my history

[hot cloak]

we barely got to talk to them and some chats are disappearing? wow

[analog moat]

Okay because I was like ??? What would be the point of redemption then

[shadow cairn]

Welp. Guess y’all really will have to see for yourself, but it seemed like he wanted to ||hurt Albrecht by killing his family in front of him||

[hot cloak]

NOOO

not the grandma pls

[pure merlin]

Hopefully all of this will be fixed soon without needing to reset
I think the family reunion chat with Loid might be bugged aswell

[hot cloak]

||trusting the devil of tau with protection is another level of no survival instinct||

[analog moat]

Literally

[hot cloak]

while your family member is responsible for him becoming a protoframe lmao

[fallow sonnet]

I'd guess it's fixable, most everything I've seen, the characters/etc talk in a way that matches the choices the user made, so it's (hopefully) just a matter of ensuring the KIM actually shows the stuff to match.

[analog moat]

He actually agreed to it tho

[hot cloak]

he still hates it

imma go spam decendia

[analog moat]

I am still curious to what the cost of the date deal is

[pure merlin]

That's what I think aswell. But I'd be pissed if I had to reset only because my very last chat didn't show up due to a bug

[analog moat]

Because I reset to not get his bad ending

[hot cloak]

i wont wait for another 20 ish day to date lyon so nope 😭

[analog moat]

Me suffering right now

[fallow sonnet]

I'd be surprised if they didn't store our choices separate from the display vars

[hot cloak]

what kind of patience you have

[analog moat]

I was having a meltdown at first , but after I get his redemption I am taking a break from warframe

[hot cloak]

07

[pure merlin]

I meant more like, if the chat was supposed to show up today and it triggered but didn't display, so I missed it completely. I guess there's nothing to mess up in that convo all the choices are the same, but still, not being able to see it ever would suck

[hot cloak]

i would take a break too if our clan didnt have new low mrs to help rn

i been playing wf more than 10 hours a day to help them with everything

peak unemployment ik

[pastel pasture]

goodness!

translation for people who need it ||she wants to stick a knife up Roathe's butt||

[hot cloak]

PHAHAH

cant blame her

[analog moat]

😭🤣

[pastel pasture]

I...think im making progress with Marie

I think im kinda screwing up keeping my opinion of Entrati consistent but thats more my dialogue choices fault then my own

[brazen ravine]

I romanced Lyon, but this is the 2nd time the option to confess to Marie has popped up after already doing that. Has anyone else tried it/knows what happens?

[pastel pasture]

Not really a good "Entrati is the definition of morally grey"

[hot cloak]

i bet some people out there tried it and made a tiktok content about it but i cant prove it..

[echo basalt]

So when's the convince loid to go up stairs chat gonna be?

[floral badge]

Still cant romance anyone i dont even know who to go for 😭

[pastel pasture]

You have to

-get rank 5 with Entrati (syndicate)

-Convince Roathe to fulfill the Loid deal

-Convince Lyon and Marie to support Roathe in making it happen

speaking of Roathe though

I have been installed hard in Roathe KIM because I marathon finished descendia and now i've been getting VMs for two days

[echo basalt]

i got both to agree and roathe to move on from the past is that fine?

or have i bungled the dhit out of it

[pastel pasture]

Have you talked to Roathe about the deal recently?

[dense ice]

I have ran out of devil’s triad kim messages

[echo basalt]

same

[pastel pasture]

do y'all have all messages turned off?

[echo basalt]

just got one last one from lyon

today

[dense ice]

I believe im just finished

[pastel pasture]

because not having all messages turned on is a quick way to not get things to happen

[dense ice]

Like all of us are best friends and roathe talked to loid yesterday

[pastel pasture]

i managed to skip over the entirity of Amir's hexionary my first going through of KIM

[echo basalt]

havent heard from roathe in a hot minute, yea migthve bungled it

also aleksle voices packet neat

yea last convo picked i have no clue with roathe when he asked if the other 2 will help

so i probbably bungled it shit

[pastel pasture]

what are the implications of Elenore saying "improved by the addition of a tail"

Is Elenore a furry? Y/N

[steep totem]

As far as I can tell?
N

She's never once made a mention of wanting additional animal parts

Although she does make a joke about growing a tail in a different conversation

But I think that's just her making light of her Infested state

[night zephyr]

I'm not a furry but I think tails are cool; I don't think it points to that