spoiler-chat

[pastel pasture]

but i still want Scaldra liches.

[zenith jacinth]

sentinels are sentient companions

[reef compass]

I am pretty sure ||Amar|| skin would sell buckets

[fading current]

It’s really nice to finally be able to talk to Lyon. So if we got to talk to him today, assuming we get to kim chat with him tomorrow?

[reef compass]

That's what I said yeah

[fading current]

I’d buy it immediately

[waxen sphinx]

What is this supposed to mean?

[reef compass]

Lets wait for KIM to update and will most likely be so

[zenith jacinth]

bug

[pastel pasture]

Lyon's KIM account was banned after he said the V word (Vo*d-lugger) to Lotus

[zenith jacinth]

that's not even a thing yet in his time

maybe the voices told him tho

[pastel pasture]

he learns fast. didn't you see the Marie chat?

anyway joking aside.

How do the devil's triade use KIM

[hearty pendant]

wally whispering a slur in lyon's ear for no discernable reason:

[pastel pasture]

because they aren't in the past. they are in the present right?

[hearty pendant]

they use the sanctum computer

[reef compass]

I imagine Loid giving them the PC in the lab for their turn

[pastel pasture]

I guess time is just really broken RN

[reef compass]

Its an hilarious image in my head at least

[hearty pendant]

that's exactly what it is
Loid even looms over roathe while he's typing

[pastel pasture]

Imagine the data logisitics of talking to the devil's traide though

[reef compass]

Yeah he does say something like that xD

[pastel pasture]

Marie sends a message. It's sent into the past to the KIM servers. the KIM servers then sends the message back to the present

[reef compass]

Now I wonder if they have talked with the Cavia too...

[hearty pendant]

i've heard that roathe likes bird 3

[pastel pasture]

Roathe and Bird 3 get along IIRC

[reef compass]

Roathe being a literal devil on Tagfer's shoulder...

[obtuse gyro]

and tagfer and marie fought

[hearty pendant]

i don't think it'd be that surprising if albrecht brought a KIM server to the present at some point
i have no evidence for this but i can't imagine it'd be difficult for him

[pastel pasture]

Albrecht got sick of yelling across the room for Loid.

[zenith jacinth]

probably not

[pastel pasture]

Made Loid sign up for KIM chat

[zenith jacinth]

yeah I didn't get that convo

[pastel pasture]

or perhaps you did and just went down a different path then I

I swear with KIM chat even saying "I like pineapple" is going to completely shift how the person talks to you

[hearty pendant]

i got that option but did not select it
she told me he has issues instead /s
-# Marie: It is simply that he does not know you. Lyon is not... sociable at the best of times. It is not meant to offend you.
-# Drifter: Is there anything you can do?
-# Marie: Lyon has... much loudness within his own mind. He takes great care with whom he shares it.

[reef compass]

Yeah i didnt answer that myself, she said something more balanced

[pastel pasture]

my first time through KIM I completely avoided the Hexipedia storyline

[zenith jacinth]

nope

[pastel pasture]

do you have the all chats setting on?

[zenith jacinth]

there's branches between conversations, I went along a whole different branch than you

[reef compass]

I am kinda noticing that Marie only speaks formal if you speak formal with which she still likes though?

Cause that informal tone from informal answer as well as the flirting dialog (info from friend) as well as her French tirades are...

[zenith jacinth]

I. had it on

why did it turn off

[pastel pasture]

one of the first thing I told Marie was that I wanted to smooch Roathe

[pastel pasture]

is that a "why did i do that?" or a "want to know why I did that"

[zenith jacinth]

dammit DE why didn't you notify people like me

[pastel pasture]

oh wait I think i misread?

[zenith jacinth]

it turned off by itself

[pastel pasture]

Every copy of KIM is personalized.....

[zenith jacinth]

this is very annoying

[reef compass]

Yeah i meant the flirting with Marie lol

[pastel pasture]

well you know what you gotta do now right?

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-shades-mib-men-in-black-neuralyzer-gif-17328155

[zenith jacinth]

hhhhh do I reset it now

[hearty pendant]

might've reset w/ the triad for some reason?
i had mine off for a bit and remembered to turn it on

[pastel pasture]

probably best to do it now given the changes to memory reset

[zenith jacinth]

tru

[hearty pendant]

i mean, you would've missed, what? one or two convos?

[zenith jacinth]

one or two possibly important convos

[hearty pendant]

fair point, i suppose

[pastel pasture]

Friendly. talked to Marie every day since release. This is my collection of chats

use this to determine what you want to do

[zenith jacinth]

yeah I reset

infuriating that I have to just bc something turned off that option

[pastel pasture]

yeah that sucks

i am really curious to see if the devil's triade make mention of memory erasing

We konw it's canon for the Hex/Roundtable. but it surely can't be canon for the devil's triade right

[hearty pendant]

||one does, very obviously. dunno about the other two||

[pastel pasture]

whomst

[reef compass]

I dont have that talking skull one? XD

[obtuse gyro]

its canon lol

[pastel pasture]

It was just Marie and Drifter talking about Necraloid. It was either a hard read or I was just tired/high so I don't remember much of it

[obtuse gyro]

anyone who resets the triad will discover very quickly what happens when you reset the memories of protoframes who arent in a timeloop

[pastel pasture]

🤔

[obtuse gyro]

because everyone else in the area isnt reset

[pastel pasture]

I guess Scrap is gonna know

[reef compass]

Idk but is that info obtained from datamine or Kim sim spoilers?

[obtuse gyro]

kimulacrum

[hearty pendant]

combined with the whole. mind-delving thing that we're doing with roathe,,,

[reef compass]

Can we please not do this again?

Some guy came here spoiling an ending yesterday

[pastel pasture]

uh oh 😨

lemme guess. Marie reveals that she is not actually a nun or from france but instead is just a really dedicated cosplayer from Cetus

[hearty pendant]

definitely

[solid otter]

... its spoiler chat

Its gonna have spoilers

[reef compass]

Tbf i saw Roathe today on an idle chat shouting ||"this future is so disappointing"|| so...

[hearty pendant]

this is still recent content, though.

stuff we can't get yet legitimately

[reef compass]

My guy. You. Yes. Read the rules. Info from the game. Not from datamines or file reads.

[solid otter]

Id expect to spoil the message, but honestly its still gonna be here

[pastel pasture]

I mean TBH?

[solid otter]

Ew lmfao do not talk to me like that.

[pastel pasture]

Ask any writer to write you a story about the future and it's almost always better in some way. some aspect of life is easier

Warframe future/present? Probably a downgrade for someone who was a higher up Orokin

IIRC anything considered high tech is orokin

[reef compass]

Yeah it could be whatever still. Apparently the date of XX99 slipped on the website but they removed it. (Not telling which)

[zenith jacinth]

it's right but such a poor way to convey the info

[pastel pasture]

was the whole 1899 thing a theory then? People were talking about it like it was a fact

[tulip moon]

all rev players are lazy as hell cuz wdym you havent casted a single ability for that long

[reef compass]

Idk. I heard people mentioning stuff like that. Maybe its made up even.

[zenith jacinth]

it was a fact due to accidentally showing up in an image pre-release

[tulip moon]

For context, zenuriks tauron strikes give team mates 4 pages each time you use it

[reef compass]

Its like there was some mention about why Roathe was there. And today Marie told me her version and is kinda... different

[tulip moon]

Rev was the first one to die to 😭

[obtuse gyro]

and then roathe had a line about the 19th century which apparently has since been removed

[obtuse gyro]

well yea, one of them was conscious and it sure wasnt the blue one

[split plume]

dear fellow tenno,
i am suffering as a result of the consequences of my own folly. i took divine annihilation from lyon thinking it would be funny, and it has been my worst nightmare instead

legacyte keeps dying permanently
(fwiw ive already checked the forums and it has been discussed thoroughly, so im sure DE knows lol)

[reef compass]

Tbf playing Rev does make me slip sometimes. I get too relaxed, I trip a nullifier. Blam.

[obtuse gyro]

this is like one of the first few things roathe tells you, that he arrived barely conscious no?

[split plume]

it has led to an interesting discovery though. i proc'd it with pure crit melee that i build specifically to try to avoid anything that could be considered ranged damage for it? and it still proc'd. melee is ranged confirmed

[reef compass]

Yeah what I mean is the website apparently also had info about why Roathe was there.

Roathe's story CAN align. Marie's is a bit more idk, not That?

[pastel pasture]

Roathe is there because Albrecht subscribes to the "science isn't about why, it's about why not." philosphy

[reef compass]

Definitely lol even now

[split plume]

roathe is there because albrecht thought it would be funny (it is)

[obtuse gyro]

what you mean the coup thing?

[reef compass]

Albrecht is developing his sense of humor, like the Indifference is becoming more powerful xd

[pastel pasture]

"And then I drugged him and kidnapped him to the far future. anyway, that's how I lost my orokin license"

[reef compass]

First his "not my type" line now this

[pastel pasture]

so am I the only one who kept thinking Lyon was an Inaros protoframe

idk he just seem so...pharro-y

[reef compass]

I am starting to believe Herzog is definitely going to play Albrecht with that sense of dry humor

[night grail]

"That's almost funny!" - Joyeuse

[reef compass]

It would have been funny but nah that incense flail gave it way too away

[fading current]

Where the 1899 stuff came from

[reef compass]

Oh I saw a different pic myself xD

[tight pagoda]

Gaulle is confirmed

[reef compass]

Yeah that is

[tight pagoda]

1899 doesn't have any reference it seems

But a potential chat with Roathe has him namedrop Gaulle

[fading current]

He did in my chat with him tonight when he talked about thunderstorms and actually getting experience a natural one

[tight pagoda]

Same!

Really loving the chats here

[reef compass]

Gaulle is just a distorted name from "galo" (at least in Spain idk french) so thats the France region there. So not quite strange having Cathedrale and French nun (still would have been fun if Canada lol)

[reef compass]

Got that yup

[tight pagoda]

Lyon is also French. Also I think Gaul is an old foreign name for France?

[fading current]

Which made me lowkey started crushing on him???? Cuz I calm down through thunderstorms or rain. Like they calm me down. The way he explained it…the power he felt. I feel that as well. It’s a power that can even calm one’s nerves. Even at the risk of death…watching that lightning. Feeling the thunder. Man I felt that chat lol

[tight pagoda]

100%, his chats are so revealing of his character

[reef compass]

Maybe I just read/watched Asterix back then and thats how I learned as a kid the "galo" term haha

[tight pagoda]

Lmao that's where I got "Gaul" from too

[reef compass]

Its like how I can somehow understand Marie cause Catalonian and French are a bit similar

I have to read the text/subtitles though otherwise its gibberish >_<u

Its why I could sincerely answer her how... creative she was tonight lol

[pastel pasture]

hey spoiler chat who should i date next

Amir, Arthur, Elenore, or Lettie

[hearty pendant]

amir

[pastel pasture]

he's gonna try to kiss me so fast he headbuts me

[wary igloo]

what happens if a defense target is in range of nidri's vortex? is that even really worth consideration?

[solid otter]

Im actually so upset over Nihil being retconned as unrelated to the 7

Did they deadass count wrong 😭

[hearty pendant]

not unrelated, per se
still an executioner fairly close to them, just not an executor

[solid otter]

Im upset about it

They added 3 new executors, one of which, has like. No lore yet

[hearty pendant]

either the one writing the KIM chats got it wrong, or the seven weren't fully nailed down yet

[solid otter]

The 7 not being nailed down this late is horrific 😭

[clear sparrow]

I suspect Nihil may be rewritten as an Archimedian. The whole glassing people thing seems more like Archimedian territory than Executor anyway.

[solid otter]

... Archimedians are scholars

Why would someone who is executing people, be a scholar?

Also, orokins can't be Archimedians, it seems. Not named ones at least.

[hearty pendant]

eh
why go into heavy detail about the guys that aren't really going to show up
..except when they do, because you go back to the time when they're all alive and important

[hearty pendant]

was Eularia not an archimedean? i thought she was

[solid otter]

Not by title i don't think. Might be thinking of Daughter who was to be one, but got refused on a technicality

[young lake]

Because the Seven are literally the ruling class of the Empire the current day Origin system is still paying for the sins of. I think knowing what they did adds depth to the world

Well, besides the Emperors. But there's literally no lore on them sooo

[hearty pendant]

mm. possibly
i don't pay attention to the exact castes much lol

[solid otter]

Outside of being mean to the grineer apparently, Avantus did nothing outside regular orokin shit

Which.. is honestly normal orokin shit

[clear sparrow]

I might be somehow thinking that Nihil invented/discovered glassing, but I could be wrong on that.

[solid otter]

Oh he definitely did

Its his thing

[obtuse gyro]

its his Cephalon Project so

[pastel pasture]

Hey I really don't think a K drive race is the best idea right now

[solid otter]

For some reason i thought this was a mirelurk from fallout 4

[pastel pasture]

what if it was

[solid otter]

https://tenor.com/view/fangeux-dance-fallout-gif-15437809

[hearty pendant]

mirelurk queen is the narmer orb

[pastel pasture]

Norb

[hearty pendant]

norb

[solid otter]

Gorb

https://tenor.com/view/gorb-gif-22280831

Gorb

Alternatively, Norg

https://tenor.com/view/norg-warframe-trading-warframe-trading-fish-gif-15293485056260068488

[round canyon]

Hallo

[prisma island]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSI0dTLjzb3/?igsh=NzU0NTJuZGR0bnJy

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How I Made Uriel Go At Mach 5 #warframe #warframememes #uriel #theoldpiece #speed #tennocreate

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[lofty sun]

My Lotus kinda homeless

[tropic venture]

okay managed to find a soundtrack version of Uriel's intro so I can properly hear some of the lyrics now

starts out with
"Laudamus, artemus, a Deus"

https://youtu.be/c3PfM2AjQ6g?si=wNd1pPR7EENZJ-HMe

[lofty sun]

is he just gonna be like this forever

[tropic venture]

Well he will likely be part of Tau 2026

but for now Pazuul has overtaken Erra yeah

[west sapphire]

Shower thought:
what if the forlorn shore is on tau and where we get a story about hydroid 👀

[tropic venture]

"the forlorn shore" is Tau

[west sapphire]

Fek back to shower again

[tropic venture]

forlorn effectively means lost/transient

so the song sounds like something the Sentients had during their long trip to Tau

[west sapphire]

I was thinking literally

[west sapphire]

Okay that... Makes sense

[tropic venture]

nah in this case it's more like they're "sailing" to discover this new land

[west sapphire]

... Can i cope and add my hydroid theory on that one?

[hearty pendant]

its not like he has any other lore

[tropic venture]

All he really has is his Prime trailer yeah

[west sapphire]

I want to see a ship that is not tempestarii and hydroid going full pirate mode

[hazy iris]

they should add an honoria for every warframe

[tropic venture]

well aside from how non-canon most Deluxes are, Sevagoth Deluxe's description mentions Hydroid's Deluxe

[hearty pendant]

yeah, those two are canon to each other
i think yareli pandea is one of the only deluxes that is Just Canon. its mentioned in reaper's lament

[tropic venture]

yeah, Valkyr Gersemi too

but most Deluxes are just given flavour text

[lofty sun]

Honoria for every prime in your collection sounds like a good idea to me

[hearty pendant]

not opposed to it
might get cluttered though

[shadow pine]

So . . . How many of you spare daklo ?

[hearty pendant]

i did

[tropic venture]

I did

[shadow pine]

Even thought he hate the sentient he genuinely shocked when the whole thing happened

I am actually surprised

[hearty pendant]

yea. seemed more misguided than actually hateful to me

[tropic venture]

yeah I don't think being a bit racist is enough to warrant a death sentence

we'd have like 4 living characters left if so

[shadow pine]

Daklo skin when

I like the owl like part

[tight pagoda]

My lyric breakdown if you'd like

Cast and cry, cast and cry / Raise the million pylons high / All our kin were bound to fly / For that far shore forlorn

Seems straightforward, almost like setting up an actual boat to go to Tau-- that far shore forlorn. Neat imagery and it highlights how the Sentients were workers, carpenters, farmers, etc.

Onward hie, onward hie / Who but we may tame the sky / Who but we shall distant die / On that far shore forlorn

Setting up the Sentients believe Tau is their right, which is fair since they were made for that purpose ("Bound to fly")

Velvet blue the meadows lie / Though the haughty ones defy / Gold shall never break our tie / To that far shore forlorn

First mentioning how beautiful Tau is, of course, then setting up how the haughty Orokin are trying to claim it for themselves but Tau firmly is tied to the Sentients

Mouth to mouth and eye to eye / Sleep where comets whisper by / Sleep while constellations sigh / Of that far shore forlorn

The TennoCon preview ending with like, an Astrolabe or something that was shifting. Sleep sounds like it could be a reference to the Dreams and accessing memories. Eleanor had that dialogue about how different the stars looked between 1999 and the Origin system. My guess is we're going to try and find Tau by remembering what the stars looked like back then and cross-referencing it with current star maps.

This was pre-update so there's theorycrafting

[hearty pendant]

imo its funny that ||the tennocon preview ended with The Actual End Of The Quest||

[tight pagoda]

Oh there's also a verse not in the original track, from the Tau2026 teaser of a flower sprouting from Adis' mask

When your spring of hope runs dry, dream of me, and hear my cry, seek to meet me by and by, on that far shore forlorn

[tropic venture]

playing the quests after their tennocon previews are always funny cause the second you get past the preview's end you get instantly hit with 15 left turns and 20 broken expectations

[hearty pendant]

yupp
tho i was immediately ruined by the "stealth" section that looked far easier when i was not the one playing it
i could probably do it without issue on a replay but the first go was weird

[tropic venture]

oh yeah I failed that multiple times

[finite heath]

i did it just fine

[tight pagoda]

Old Peace was great. Every moment after the demo's end was a pure surprise and pure joy

[tropic venture]

even before the demo end there were differences too (which is often the case for all quests but still)

[tight pagoda]

The way it ends is great too. I just assumed I was done ||after fighting Adis|| and that beautiful bit of the Operator ||walking through the terraformed, dying Tau|| was how they'd end off. ||AND THEN THERE WAS MORE||.

[tight pagoda]

I'm sooooo glad I've got the Raven voice, her acting is my favorite of the clips I've heard. Especially ||Rap, tap, tap! You'll let me in, little piggy!||

[finite heath]

i gotta say when operator told the grinner soldier to not take adis to the acadamy
it really felt like "i like you, dont come to school tommorrow"

[tight pagoda]

I hope we get more of Valdur

[tropic venture]

It is the "canon" voice so

[tight pagoda]

He seems chill all things considered

Obviously no clue where he'd be placed

Maybe he has lines during the Operation?

[tropic venture]

I hope so

still annoying how the good Ascension voicelines are all tied to the Operation

no reason for regular Ascension to not have Ordis and Parvos arguing

[hearty pendant]

the parvos-ordis banter,, agh

[hearty pendant]

you could argue that parvos isn't personally invested when its just the vestigial motes
but what the hell else is he doing

[tight pagoda]

There's not even many lines that makes things specific to the operation, is there? The motes they refer to could easily just be the vestigial instead of volatile

[tropic venture]

yeah

and regardless it's not like Jade Eximi are being held to their only actually canon source

when they also exist for Grineer, Infested, Murmur, Scaldra and Techrot

even tho in-universe only Corpus should realistically have the tech

[hearty pendant]

grineer and infested can make sense (sold to grineer, subsumed by infestation)
murmur, ehh
scaldra and techrot, what?

[finite heath]

i feel like its more so the cinematic canon tenno
while in game there isnt really a canon tenno
its not too uncommon to do that sort of thing

[hearty pendant]

the weirdest bit is it isn't a technical issue or anything, because the old peace doesn't have them !

[finite heath]

iirc the orokin made the jade-light, so its probable that defectors wouldnt have access to the golden lords stuff

[tropic venture]

The actual origins of the Jade Light is unknown. My personal theory is that Jade was an Archimedean who discovered/invented it

[finite heath]

fair but the orokin did use it for executions

[hearty pendant]

making her embody her own discovery is very orokin
yea i'll accept that into my headcanon

[tropic venture]

it also works with how her and Sorren's relationship was forbidden, because it would be crossing castes

[tight pagoda]

Also I just realized, a common thing people wanted was for the Tauron academy to be a "Tau Dormizone/Base of Operations" thing

||Probably hard for that now...|| and I could see the camp that ||Operator and Adis are shown making, those brief little flashes,|| being one, depending on the size. I hope we get more looks at that.

[tropic venture]

Maybe we squat in what remains of Tauron as our base in Tau 2026

[fickle estuary]

I'd kill for a sentient themed base of operations 🤤

[finite heath]

i wonder if we'll get an operator only base

[tropic venture]

Considering going to Tau would just be regular travel, "both" Operator and Drifter would be going there

[hearty pendant]

it'd be fair at this point, there's two drifter-exclusive ones
even though i don't think the dormizone is intended to be that way

[tropic venture]

Operator can go to Dormizone

[hearty pendant]

can they? last i checked they couldn't
was around operation eight claw

[fickle estuary]

I hope with Tau we get incarnons or something like them for the old sentient weapons

War especially

[finite heath]

They can

[fickle estuary]

It's so damn cool but it doesn't really do anything fancy

[tropic venture]

Sentient weapons would just disintegrate if you tried installing an Incarnon adapter on them

even having Incarnons on Infested weapons is already a stretch

[fickle estuary]

I mean amps are made out of sentient parts because they transmit void really well

[rain otter]

I mean i kinda think that wouldn't be good for the quest.

[fickle estuary]

And Caliban just like exists

[rain otter]

Cuz you wouldn't have a satisfying ending.

[tropic venture]

Amalgam

[tropic venture]

But true yeah

[obtuse gyro]

actually do we have any actual hard confirmation that amps are made from sentient bits?

[uncut solar]

if anything, maybe something like a sentient adversary

[tropic venture]

Yes

[obtuse gyro]

which is

[tropic venture]

their visuals and some of the Ostron scan codex entries

[obtuse gyro]

which ostron codexes

visuals alone aint mean diddily

if there aint anything to back em up

[tight pagoda]

How tf did I get pinged for this

[hearty pendant]

i seem to be stuck as drifter regardless, though the equipment/focus/appearance menu has the camera at operator height
no swap button either

[tight pagoda]

Oh nevermind discord is schizophrenic

[hearty pendant]

discord just does this rn apparently
weird reply shenanigans

[tight pagoda]

Going there in Captura with Operator active, at least used to, do this

Forcing the Drifter into the Operator's "skeleton" or whatever the animation term is called

[hearty pendant]

skeleton or rig would be correct, yea
weird little creature

[finite heath]

oh yeah fun fact you can sneak the operator into the XX99 area

if you switch to operator, then go to the dark refractory area the quick menu lets you tp straight in

you cant talk to anyone if your in operator tho, frame is fine

[night grail]

||Its very small||

[hearty pendant]

||could include the area outside it||
drifter's camp-style

[tight pagoda]

Oh, is it something accessible in a tile?

[tropic venture]

it's a Scene IIRC.

or well that same camp is in one of the Scenes

[tight pagoda]

Ahhh time to grind

[rancid condor]

Not with a Cephalon's help. When Hunhow took over Suda the Sentients became Void-immune.

[obtuse gyro]

more like just void shielded

and that was at cost to suda

[tropic venture]

was effectively using Suda and the Weave as shielding yeah

[obtuse gyro]

so who are you going to burn to use a funky gun

[night grail]

Not even immune either btw

It was just a shield

[tropic venture]

The only way to truly remove their Void weakness is via Amalgamation

and the only proper Amalgam weapons we have are Komorex and Cyanex (ig you could argue Battacor and Ocucor too)

[rancid condor]

Which we last saw in Old Peace with Caliban Prime, with the whole mystery of its control seemingly via Ascaris.

[gilded cedar]

Imagine if we get a Kubrow skin based on Amar

[fading current]

And in the prime vanguard dialogue they mention the operators “stuck in those frames” and how we should feel guilty about dealing with them. It gets dark quickly.

[still gazelle]

Does this week's descendia give less maphica per run?

[sturdy turret]

im gonna buy roathe proto only to make duviri go to hell with that gemini emote }:D

[sturdy turret]

amazing

[sturdy turret]

marie when baguette

[sturdy turret]

as hellish as i imagined

[west sapphire]

Wow thanks man, and sorry for the late reply lmao

Holy moly thats a good interpretation

[obtuse gyro]

I should mention that "Raise the million pylons high" is quite literal

the Solar Rail to Tau was constructed using millions of sentient bodies, acting as pylons

[reef compass]

hey I got one of these moments of meme laying down on bed and brain asking a weird question and getting awake:

what if... Daklo is Alad V?

I know, it sounds incredibly stupid, I know but hear me out:

Parvos told Ordis he could restore him to become back Ordan

Alad V knows somehow what we did on Tau. So either direct info somehow or he was there, somehow too.

[hearty pendant]

Alad does not know what we did on Tau

he knows we killed the orokin

and nothing more

[reef compass]

no no, he says that when we approached sentients we...

[hearty pendant]

he also explicitly doesn't know the difference between warframe and tenno until its revealed in TSD

[reef compass]

wiped out an entire civilization and that he knows we dont remember that

I wanted to write it to not break telephone had to search it

[hearty pendant]

yes, and we didn't wipe out the sentients
we wiped out the orokin

[reef compass]

sigh I guess, its just Alad V is such a roach that I imagined that haha

[balmy storm]

1. We don’t know if Parvos’ claim is true
2. If it is it may be recent tech
3. I don’t believe he meant bring him back to a human body, but rather bring Ordan back from years of precepts burying him (and Ordis’ self fragmentation)

The theory would hold more water if Salad was a cepahlon already tbh

[reef compass]

Yeah its most likely not possible. The only glassed beings coming back weren't turned into cephalon either right? The whole Nihil fight has people glassed but thats not the whole of it so I suppose even if Ordan is there turning him back and giving a recipient might not be viable...

Heh now I am somehow imagining Parvos being sort of like the Metal Gear Patriots and not having an actual corporeal body and thats how he actually survived in the Void. I really need to sleep xD

[tame canopy]

mua hahahahahaha

I got the chat that gets funnier as time passes

the tumblr post chat is on my kim now :>

[hearty pendant]

Viktor watching as the Hex, a terrorist group known for having 6 members, suddenly has 60+:

[obtuse gyro]

"SATAN? YOU MEAN THEY HAVE SATAN NOW???"

[tame canopy]

oh snap, drifter uses k drive

Another point to "Drifter uses basically everything the operator have in 1999"

Drifter better than me, I would rather bullet jump than ever touch a k drive around hollvania's narrow streets

[hearty pendant]

Canonical Drifter using the K-Drive when we're not allowed to

[fickle estuary]

Drifter forgetting how to hold a sword the second they exit duviri

[tame canopy]

Canon drifter uses necramech and archwing too when we're not allowed to 😔

[fickle estuary]

You can use the best one as Drifter at least

Railjack :)

[tame canopy]

In their defense, void powers and instant wf access makes that obsolete

oh my god bruh, he tried eating bbq techrot

💀 💀 💀

cursed ass decision making

[hearty pendant]

both options lmfao

[tame canopy]

This is also part of a party storyline where apparently lots of people in the hex got drunk lmao
amir apparently made his specialty for calming him down which screws up quincy's lol

[fickle estuary]

Drifter acting disgusted as if they don't know the taste of every single faction due to eating them with Grendal lmao

mmmbmhmmh yummy effervon

[tame canopy]

even in the end of the world, people want their treats

The fun part about that is that drifter canonically have grendel lol

And every options mentioned there

Technically this probably means canon operator have them too, I think

now im reminded of all the memes about TOP contrasting how drifter is basically getting more maidens™ and fun while operator is reliving the horrors™

The concept of drifter playing with canon operator's toys and gear in 1999 for fun is making me chuckle

TOP chat
Wait what

third option making me feeling like stalker in TNW

Roathe kim ||mentions kuva yuvan theater, what's that exactly? I know what kuva does for orokin immortality, but what's yuvan theater supposed to be again?||

[hearty pendant]

yuvan theater was where the young yuvan were paraded around to the withering, dying orokin. they were selecting their next bodies to continuity into.

[tame canopy]

Roathe KIM ||Damm roathe was moving different, reverse engineering a helminth with practically nothing 💀also poor bastard has to live without electricity ||

[kindred gyro]

What do I say here cause I'm tempted for the first

[tame canopy]

Also I guess ||the helminth is basically our "common" means of time travel™ now||

Kaya's gonna like hearing this lol

[hearty pendant]

the first results with ||her getting flustered but redirecting back to the question||

[tame canopy]

also damm lyon's been dead silent and stone cold

[tropic venture]

yep

[hearty pendant]

yea he's like that

[tropic venture]

it's the autism

[ornate oak]

Gonna be freaking weird when I'm polyamorous with the two most religious characters in the game.

It feels really weird that there's no consequences whatsoever to dating a hex member and a triad member when all of the hex are seemingly monogamous.

[zenith jacinth]

There should be convos with the hex about it

iirc

[hearty pendant]

i [ranted about this in lore chat](#lore-discussion message) a while ago

[tropic venture]

yeah

[hearty pendant]

yea there's consent convos with each

[ornate oak]

Like, if this weren't a game I dont think I'd be ok with it

[tropic venture]

I haven't seen any of them cause I've yet to date anyone so

[zenith jacinth]

You're extremely far from alone in that

[ornate oak]

Wait what? Like you can talk to Lettie about dating one of the triad?!

[tropic venture]

yes

[hearty pendant]

mhm. and she says that she's okay with it.
for some reason.

not considering that a spoiler as it was directly mentioned in patch notes

[ornate oak]

Well the fact that they actually acknowledge it makes it even scarier.

Now I want them to interact. XD

[zenith jacinth]

Added due to intense backlash to DE saying "it's not cheating bc it's time travel"

[hearty pendant]

rightful backlash as far as i'm concerned

[ornate oak]

It's kinda goofy that they made characters this compelling and then didn't expect us to take them that seriously 😆

Live by the PTSD riddled waifu/husbando, die by the PTSD riddled waifu/husbando

And not just the hex, but the Drifter as well.

I'm invested in the Drifter I'm RPing, and her relationship with Lettie dang it!

I dont like killing spiders, but in Drifter will squish as many as Lettie needs her to.

[zenith jacinth]

Lettie's spiders are metaphorical

[ornate oak]

Yes, that was a metaphor.

I came in here to talk about The Old Peace lol

[zenith jacinth]

[ornate oak]

I am saying that Drifter is extremely determined to help Lettie deal with her mental health issues by metaphorically squishing metaphorical spiders even though I personally dont like hurting irl spiders irl.

[zenith jacinth]

That... makes little sense

[ornate oak]

Its kinda like pun

I dunno what its called

[tropic venture]

it makes perfect sense

[ornate oak]

Anyway, treaty never stood a chance even if we didn't know the future. What I'm really curious about is how it came to be in the first place.

[hearty pendant]

sentients got individuality because of the xenoflora and didn't want to fight

[tropic venture]

it's literally the exact same metaphor that Lettie herself uses, how does it make no sense

[tropic venture]

Xenoflora grant sentience to Lesser Sentients, enabling negotiation and eventually a truce

[hearty pendant]

(hence why the xenoflora all dying sets them off again)

[ornate oak]

You only need violence from one side.

[cerulean kiln]

I just realised in Simulacrum Uriel's pets take up 3 enemy slots

[zenith jacinth]

How does not liking killing spiders relate to fixing someone's depression

[tropic venture]

Because Lettie likens her depression to metaphorical "spiders" in her mind that she has to crush even tho they scare her

That's the entire point of this conversation

[tropic venture]

You even stated it

[zenith jacinth]

You're missing the point a bit

[hearty pendant]

sure, but a treaty was called anyway, either for actual peace or for some kind of information or tactical gain. depends on which of the Seven you ask

[tropic venture]

it's like "I usually hate killing spiders, but these ones I will gladly crush"

[zenith jacinth]

They're not literal spiders so the feeling about killing literal spiders shouldn't matter

[ornate oak]

Right, I'm curious how it happened, considering the Orokin would never have accepted a treaty where they didn't get to enslave or destroy the Sentients.

[tropic venture]

yeah, it's a wordplay. It's not meant to be literal

[zenith jacinth]

Not very good wordplay

[hearty pendant]

the sentients were seemingly still under the orokin
Archimedean Itzam, Adis having to prove something about learning the tenno ways, the grineer guarding the academy

the orokin were also losing the war for a significant portion of it

[ornate oak]

Jebys creebus dude.

[tropic venture]

It's like someone going "I'm gluten intolerant, but I'd eat those buns" to flirt with their partner

[tropic venture]

it's the most basic of things

[ornate oak]

Right but we know that at this point they had the Tenno, so it's not clear they were still losing.

[tropic venture]

Are you a LUA MALE? (rarer than SIGMA?)

[ornate oak]

@zenith jacinth Do you have a grudge against me or are you like this with everyone?

[unkempt pawn]

Guys. Did yall felt the Operator was somewhat taller in the quest

[zenith jacinth]

I'm just extremely autistic about some stuff

[ornate oak]

Ok

[zenith jacinth]

I don't see the logic so I try to find it

It's a problem

[hearty pendant]

a consequence of the rework more than the quest i believe

[ornate oak]

This question is hilarious to me because of the framing of an objectively measurable trait as a matter of like... vibes. 😆

[unkempt pawn]

[ornate oak]

Personally I didn't notice though. Although the operator has seemingly gotten slightly older since The Second Dream.

[zenith jacinth]

Possibility?

[tropic venture]

the VA change definitely contributes to that

[unkempt pawn]

Right

Wait VAs changed?

[ornate oak]

Also the older model changes

[ornate oak]

With New War

[tropic venture]

Yes, a bit after TNW or Duviri all Operator voicelines got re-voiced by the Drifter VAs, since the old Operator VAs are no longer at DE afaik.

[unkempt pawn]

Didnt knew. I started on December 2021 so i probably never got to notice

[unkempt pawn]

Oh dang

[ornate oak]

I dont think "My Warframe is strong." Changed though did it?

[tropic venture]

https://youtu.be/m_jgEluZn9s?si=I5S30V3OCX3bBBI3

here's Raven for example

[tropic venture]

Not sure

[ornate oak]

Man, I need to listen to heron more and see if I like it now.

[hearty pendant]

aren't a bunch of the old operator lines still around, though?

[cerulean kiln]

Didn't they just make the pitch of the Voice louder not a VA change?

[tropic venture]

Nope, full re-voicing of all the quest voicelines

I'm pretty sure. If they did just change the pitch they did an extremely good job at matching it

[cerulean kiln]

Did all VA’s leave or just female VA?

[tropic venture]

All of them

[cerulean kiln]

I swear I didn't even notice a change lol

[opaque dove]

Nor did I

[cerulean kiln]

Must mean they're good at their job ig

[tropic venture]

https://youtu.be/Zc1_ZK3TMI8?si=nZt_yORY9-01QR6X

here's old Owl

[ornate oak]

Wait, I thonk i meant Falcon... all these birds... ugh, poor Sheldon...

[ornate oak]

I noticed immediately. I was like "Who is that voice?!" When operator first spoke in The New War.

[bronze glade]

Do we know yet if you choose to romance one of the Triad if you can also discuss this with your Hex partner? I know it's a different timeline and all, but like...same Drifter. It doesn't feel very cool of them ngl.

[hearty pendant]

you get consent convos on both sides, yes

[bronze glade]

Superb 🙏

That really was my biggest concern lol

[fickle estuary]

I want to flirt with Roathe already but evil DE is not letting me yet >:(

[balmy storm]

You gotta build up your relationship more
Like real people lol

[bronze glade]

Djekeke I was so tempted to tell Marie my drifter had the hots for Roathe but I actually wanna be able to talk to Lyon sometime soon lmao

[fickle estuary]

Lyon is really shy about letting us buy some rocks huh 😭

[bronze glade]

FR like he's hoarding scraps from us lol

[opaque dove]

What

[tropic venture]

This was confirmed weeks before release, yes

[tropic venture]

The fast-travel wheel lists Lyon as "Buy furnishings" (aka. Decorations)

[fickle estuary]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Very excited to see his offerings

[fickle estuary]

Actually I would love descendia decorations tbh

I hope they aren't too expensive

[compact rose]

Honestly that one scene where you instakill that cephalon for being racist towards the sentients makes me think of the tf2 comics

[tropic venture]

assuming people killed Daklo

[compact rose]

People did. I personally didnt, but you can find a lot of it on youtube

[opaque dove]

Yes

I did

[balmy storm]

Assuming destroying his proxy body did anything (it likely wouldn’t)

[tropic venture]

true

[balmy storm]

I destroyed the body anyway, he was a bigot

Also i can def see him being deleted or heavily altered afterwards by the Orokin

[tropic venture]

oh yeah 100%

[compact rose]

Yeah i regret letting him go, but im not gonna repeat the quest to kill him. Cuts into my ballhairs killing time

And yes, im referring to ballas here, just to clear it up

[opaque dove]

Some call him Ballass. We’d understand

[balmy storm]

Balls

[opaque dove]

We don’t like Ballas. Nitokh sounds scary, but we never see her.

[tropic venture]

I just don't think him being slightly racist to the race that tried to eradicate humanity and would do so again if they lose their special flower fumes is enough to warrant a death sentence, especially considering the comments made by some other NPCs

[balmy storm]

We don’t like any Orokin till proven not as terrible

[tropic venture]

He's rude and close-minded, yeah, but he doesn't seem to fundamentally be a bad person so to speak

[balmy storm]

I don’t think it’s really about if it was deserved, it makes sense the operator can do that considering their mental state

||their best friend just died, they want revenge and are being egged on by Wally, they get back to the school and the guy who openly called their friend slurs is there||
It makes sense

[opaque dove]

||Considering Roathe’s words about her, yeah||

[tight pagoda]

He was probably programmed to be a racist, and blindly support the Orokin.

And in the end he didn't.

[tropic venture]

oh yeah killing him is fitting don't get me wrong, I'm just saying I don't think it's the "right" choice per se

[fickle estuary]

Girly said she wanted to kill everyone when taking a bath one day she's so based

[tropic venture]

That is true yeah

[balmy storm]

It’s a cathartic choice in some ways

Especially if you go the route where you call him a bigot

[tight pagoda]

Yeah both are valid options

[tropic venture]

and even tho he says it in a way that is a racist comment about Sentients, he does seem to genuinely care for us earlier in the quest

[balmy storm]

He doesn’t care for Adis or the sentients

He’s consistently not a fan of them

[tropic venture]

like given time and better circumstances I could see him changing his views

[balmy storm]

It also feels like it’s in a different way to say, the Anarchs

[balmy storm]

And not being in the empire

[tropic venture]

"better circumstances"

[balmy storm]

Oh
Yeah
Lol

[opaque dove]

So, anyways, I started blasting—

[tropic venture]

Operator Grineer-racism redemption arc now that they remember Valdur

Calls Ordis out when he degrades them

[balmy storm]

Kahl:

[balmy storm]

We degrade them-

[zenith jacinth]

Arguably even more than ordis does

[tropic venture]

Local racist blue girl meets the strongest, most attractive Grineer of today and instantly forgets a lifetime of indoctrination ❤️

[opaque dove]

Modern Grineer=sorry mass produced army
Orokin era Grineer= peak grown army

[tropic venture]

true love beats racism/classism

[balmy storm]

Yeah
Daklo

[tropic venture]

"Analyzing the intelligence profiles of the Grineer: ERROR - Not a Number. Did the Operator enjoy this witticism?"

[zenith jacinth]

I don't remember regor showing up in veilbreaker

[tropic venture]

("newly" added voiceline btw)

[tropic venture]

His death makes him unqualified of "today"

[zenith jacinth]

I will clone him

With intentional loyalty gene defect

[regal parrot]

wow this week of descendia SP is actually kinda tough

[tropic venture]

Maybe they secretly buffed it after noticing how easy it was at launch

[balmy storm]

It was buggy for me

I liked seeing that transference pod, sad there wasn’t a line on it though

[fickle estuary]

Can't wait to cheese it with Mesa

[uncut solar]

Someone screamed in chat when we faced against the ||cephalites||

[regal parrot]

personally had to go atlas to mash my forehead into it

[opaque dove]

||where were the cephalites?||

[uncut solar]

||I don't remember the stage but it was an alchemy||

[regal parrot]

||floor 9 ||

[tropic venture]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-of-an-ancient-world-gandalf-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15651458

[fickle estuary]

WAIT THE GLASS MAKER ENEMIES?

I have PTSD with them

I remember trying to grind fish in plains of eidolon and every 0.3 seconds stupid glass Grineer spawned on top of me

😭

[tropic venture]

Hold up, detecting glass resonance. It's close...

[obtuse gyro]

BAHAHAHAHHA LYON HATES ONLYNE

[robust swallow]

scan seekers, who am i missing?

[echo basalt]

Volt

[fickle estuary]

The rest might be eximus variants of the gladius capsarii and trapper

[jagged sable]

Nah, I definitely see volt in the far right of the middle row.

[half oriole]

I hate the fact there's not a 3rd choice. I just wanna say that ||Ballas was just a jealous individual, nothing surprising||. But the choices here are ||"He's always been a repugnant, he can't be forgiven"|| or ||"I understand him"||. Which one should I choose?

[cerulean kiln]

Think it's Eximus variants of units?

[robust swallow]

ah, i should have sorted by name, yeah, it's eximus

[cerulean kiln]

Full list is this

[deft heath]

Btw, I feel like galastra is basically female vor

Am I the only one who's thinking that?

[cerulean kiln]

Better argument

Vor is a male Galastra

[deft heath]

Male*

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

My brain picks words sometimes lol

[fickle estuary]

Galastra had that pre-order bonus premium ascaris while Vor got his from Alibaba

[deft heath]

But they have way too much on common, from their speech about how they view their lives to end, to the use of the ascaris, to the way their words attempt to worm into the tenno's minds

[fickle estuary]

That's like the main difference

[cerulean kiln]

Galastra was doing Warframe stealing before Vor was created

Actually does Galastra have a listed rank?

[robust swallow]

none that we know of iirc

[winged sandal]

why are the vanguard bigger than us? gameplay reason or glastra modification?

[balmy storm]

Probably gameplay

[uncut solar]

definitely gameplay

so it would be easier to react and see them

[cerulean kiln]

I don't need to see them I just press a button and death happens

[simple python]

Question. Is Margulis's scarred hair supposed to be colorable?

I can... I suppose make her a singed look but her hair and suit share the same channels.

[fickle estuary]

If only we had not forgotten the Conclave 😔

[soft pumice]

Another point to HATE the glassmaker

[simple python]

Assume she holds the same rank as Varlach.

I assumed Nihil had a hand in Cephalons cause you know. We got Frakta and the Cephalon Boolean sugatra from that nightwave line.

[fickle estuary]

Called the Indifference
Also it when the operator listens to it and tries to skin Ballas alive

[zenith jacinth]

...he did

[wild wind]

The Indifference isn't about making you feel nothing, it's about making you feel that nothing matters

"There is no difference between right and wrong"

[fickle estuary]

No no I mean the thing that is the indifference isn't that indifferent

[cerulean kiln]

He is

[fickle estuary]

It's happy when it wins and angry when it loses

He is very engaged and not indifferent to the world

[night grail]

The Indifference is pretty indifferent with the exception of two people

Albrecht and the Tenno

[cerulean kiln]

You can be indifferent to most things and still care about other things

[night grail]

One it HATES and the other it gave its power to willingly moreso out of a curiosity

[cerulean kiln]

Wally is indifferent to most things

Indifference isn't being emotionless as many interpret it as

[fickle estuary]

its the opposite of love

and Wally loves when we give in to him

lol

[wild wind]

Wally is the incarnation of dudebro philosophy

"You're a loser for caring"

All the way down to flipping out when you call them out on it

[fiery surge]

Ok I have an ephainy on one thing from the new quest:

The Tau Flowers are Space Opium

Turns out good sentients are just under the influence

[fickle estuary]

btw this means the Old War's actual name is the Third Opium War 🤑

[fiery surge]

Also another thing

Can someone tell 0phichous I'm sorry to his Excalibur prime

Uhh my best friend uhh
Crushed it

[worn sinew]

fascinated by ||"even performed non-destructively" here. is that implying making a cephalon out of someone doesn't need to involve killing them, or is it more a case of "done properly, a cephalon can retain the memories it had from life instead of having them wiped"||

[wild wind]

Loid

Necraloid

[tough vine]

Werner Herzog likes us

[night grail]

Could be a cortana situation

[tough vine]

Put him an archwing for punishment

[wild wind]

Right that's what I mean, we know Cephalons can be made non-lethally because Necraloid is exactly that

[night grail]

I would guess albrecht made a loid clone and glassed the clone

[thick cedar]

We can now go to the pool room from the quest

also I just noticed that the seam between where the sanctum is and where the void is, moved?

[fiery surge]

The fact she one-upped Vor is quite something.

[sudden oasis]

1st 1999 loop which is being covered by the Drifter
2nd we are going to tau, but the murmur are on the lab

So my question is what is going ti happen with wally?

[fiery surge]

XX99 also

and I have a feeling Wally has something when he tried to get a murmur to connect with lotus

and interupting memory recalling with an murmur spawn

[sudden oasis]

I love the quests and lore

[fiery surge]

and turning off the Air Bud Statue aka the Translator Gargoyle

[sudden oasis]

But i have no idea what will the end game be. I csnt even theorize

[fiery surge]

til then

we have fun in the descendia

and recall stuff in a non-canon fashion for the tau resources

Like [YOUR WARFRAME] Vs Adis

or What-if you brought your own Warframe instead of borrowing 0phichous's Excalibur Prime

and genocide against archarhy to somehow get tau mods/arcanes and somehow time travel to the present

[sudden oasis]

Ive been nekros fsrming the shi put of this

[fiery surge]

Also if I have one nit-pick

[sudden oasis]

Uriel is being built, now i go for the weapon

[fiery surge]

Why is the Prime vanguard got bigger?

[sudden oasis]

Then i return to decendia for the arcaned

[fiery surge]

like I get Grendel but

[sudden oasis]

To make it stand out

[fiery surge]

What did she do to the prime vanguard by feeding them something

like some mutated Nokko Prime shroom

[sudden oasis]

Like imagine of it were the same size with everyone shooting at it

[cerulean kiln]

So you know they are the Vanguard and not a squadmade

[sudden oasis]

Friendly fire lol nobody knows were is it

[fiery surge]

Makes sense

[sudden oasis]

Also, perita soundttack SLAPS

[fiery surge]

now I want a peculiar mod that increases my warframe size to Vanguard size

[cerulean kiln]

Just ask your Warframe to grow

[sudden oasis]

So what are your theories?

[fiery surge]

nah I'll wait til Nokko gets an augument to be able to grow huge instead of turn to mini

[sudden oasis]

Why does wally want with the 1999 loop? Why did Albrecht left for Tau?

[fiery surge]

and I am DEFINENTLY betting there is a Nintendo Swith Exclusive skin with motifs of Super Mario Brothers

in the far future

the next onyx skin or soemthing

onyx nokko skin

[cerulean kiln]

Wally didn't care about the loop he just wanted Albrecht

Albeecht's plans in 1999 were finished and Wally found him why would he stay in 1999?

[fiery surge]

He wants the Albrecht

[sudden oasis]

Then, lorewise, why is the Drifter staying in 1999? He is a permanent part of the loop so it doesnt break?

[cerulean kiln]

First time they've truly had a place to call home

[sudden oasis]

Yeah but albrecht fled when the nuke went off and shot us. We rewrote the events and albrecht was no where to be found. The undifference tho, it wanted to kill the hex

Was that personal or what?

[sudden oasis]

Ok thats a solid one

[fiery surge]

makes sense

[sudden oasis]

Now why ws the indifference so centered on killing the hex?

The dirfter is there to guard it too. Not only to live

Thats what i get

[cerulean kiln]

Albrecht's “toys” are his plaything

[fiery surge]

considering Drifter's "Home" was either an abandoned colony ship, a Timeloop tale with a Mad King with a Schduled execution at 3 pm (In Earth Time), and a temporary camp but turned home for Khal

Yeah I think 1999 makes a good home in comparison to other hell-options

[sudden oasis]

But he was centered on stopping us. The drifter said it himself

[sudden oasis]

Yup

What am i.MISSING

[fiery surge]

also the Liset here and there.

Probably to crash along with Operator

[cerulean kiln]

The only things Wally cares about are Albrecht and his things and the deal

[sudden oasis]

What does Albrecht want with Tau? Is it out of the Indifference's reach?

[cerulean kiln]

Find out in Tau 2026

[half light]

could drifter leave hollvania ? yeah, scaldra have it all locked down, but can't drifter + hex just break out ? (imagine the reactor and all that is not a problem)

[sudden oasis]

I gotta love how rebecca storytelling is way better and simpler

[cerulean kiln]

Yes, they say as much on KIM

[fiery surge]

and the Relay's Homes are unfortunetly all sold to victims of war or reserved for interrogation by some multi-personality sentient

[sudden oasis]

Like it is still comolex lore, but the quests are way better told. The old peace is my favorite so far

[sudden oasis]

I mean, they have to protect people

[fiery surge]

now I wonder how livable is Warframe's universe compared to other sci-fi universes?

as in Livable as a Neutral faction without fear of capture or indefentine servitude

[sudden oasis]

And repeat and repeat. They will break out but will return to where they were in jan 1st

[sudden oasis]

I mean, cetus is pretty chill

[half light]

i remember someone in here saying that there are lots, lots of free factions and settlements like that, we just don't see them because if we did, we'd put them in danger

[cerulean kiln]

Drifter has a whole Operation where they left Hollvania and then there's the Kaya stuff

[sudden oasis]

Fortuna seems like a great llace after we liberated it

[fiery surge]

and the poor meteor colony that got uhh

Silently captured before we arrived

[sudden oasis]

I really do hooe the hex makes a return as supporting charavters and arent left behind like Umbra

[undone lodge]

They mean leave like, go somewhere else in 1999

[half light]

just in case, i don't mean leaving hollvania as in time travelling out of there. more like traveling to USL or similar

[sudden oasis]

They did my boy so dirty

[fiery surge]

also this new quest gave a trade-off in powerscaling feats

[sudden oasis]

Yea yea i gotchu

[sudden oasis]

Wdym?

[fiery surge]

Operator can die if crushed in warframe
but has infinite revives due to Adis

Tauron strikes are crazy

[sudden oasis]

Maybe adis could like... neutralize. Operstors dying isnt a strangeness. The comafeered primes are stolen

[fiery surge]

also the Adis tried to use revive but instead of holding X while I am bleeding out

he gave me a Revive Screen

[cerulean kiln]

Sure would just need to jump the walls which shouldn't be too hard

[fiery surge]

lastly the Uriel can fly from the ground to space in moments

it's understandable why orokin are terrified of him

[cerulean kiln]

Uriel giving Titania a fly for her money

[fiery surge]

Uriel is approaching at your home in NOW.

[half light]

uriel must have single handedly earned us the "void demon" nickname

[sudden oasis]

I loved the old peace ending, i felt like anakin killing younglings

[zenith jacinth]

Not as fast but sure as heck more controllable

[cerulean kiln]

Uriel is at your door

[fiery surge]

Uriel is already inside of your home

[sudden oasis]

Uriel has entered your home

[fiery surge]

Uriel is at your bedroom door

[sudden oasis]

Uriel says: rap tap tap little piggy

[fiery surge]

Uriel is behind you

[cerulean kiln]

Uriel has committed Arson

[half light]

wanted to find that one loading screen

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-uriel-murmur-gunpoint-gun-gif-16944150267088598477

what is that

[sudden oasis]

Ngl we all know ballas wore his brown pants that day

[fiery surge]

WAIT THAT IS A VITAL DETAIL

So the Murmur tried to infiltrate the memory

[night grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1450029896016461844/20251214_141216.gif

[fiery surge]

and off-screen Uriel killed it with a unknown pistol secondary

[sudden oasis]

They wanted us, to posses us or corrupt us

[cerulean kiln]

What actually gives Uriel the energy to fly cuz I swear sometimes he’ll fly and other times he just bullet flings himself

[fiery surge]

Kinda neat

so Uriel saved us and our memory off-screen

by a Pistol Idle animation

[half light]

rage ? operator did sound a bit mad during that last segment

[sudden oasis]

He was like hyped uo by wally

Wally was like that friend who is sowing chaos: "he said your mom is a %[@[@"

[cerulean kiln]

Wally was one happy devil during that scene

[sudden oasis]

Ngl uriel gives the whole devil thing meaning

[sudden oasis]

And kinds hate margulis for her part in everything

[half light]

bro said

[fiery surge]

Operator snapped due to literattly getting baited by a classic case of False Flag operation
and inadvently killed his best friend
and his best friend's friend
and the world seed kaboom and possibly getting blamed for it

[sudden oasis]

This boss fight is gonna be awesome

[cerulean kiln]

We don't even know if Margulis knew tbh

[fiery surge]

and now we know why we are banned from getting Excal prime canonically
even founders

[cerulean kiln]

She dodged all the questions

[half light]

i don't think she knew, one of the kids made her blind and still she tried to protect and guide them. even in present day she's dodgy but trying to do good imo

[sudden oasis]

I think she knew, she says: you already know the answer

And she send the ooerator to sleep next because she knew she was in danger

Thank god i chose lotus sfter new war

Margulis being love my sentient 4ss

[thick cedar]

present day? she died years ago

[fiery surge]

my presumption is that post-old-peace we got banned from getting excal prime, lato prime and skana prime as some form of sanction

[undone lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

[fiery surge]

and only the OG Prime Vanguard members got the remaining copies
AKA Founders

[sudden oasis]

I think they are destroyed. A giant cryshed it

[cerulean kiln]

I'm surprised we didn't get more people asking why we don't get to keep the frame

[fiery surge]

Ordis noted the founder (if you were a founder) that presumed they were the original vanguard

In other words, my guess is
Founders are Canon in warframe
and Prime Vanguard posterchild

[sudden oasis]

Its to make the founders soecial they are who made the game

[cerulean kiln]

I wonder how many founders are even left

[sudden oasis]

The 1 thung i dont lkke is how presumptiously there are a lot of tenno, but we are the only main one? Like what?

[fiery surge]

and the copies and BPs were fully destroyed of Excalibur Prime, Skana Prime and Lato Prime hence why they were unobtainable

Only thing left was a uriel main bp since loid managed to retrive it in the memory

[sudden oasis]

Wouldnt make sense bc why didnt loid retrieve the excal pr8me bp from our memories like he did with uriel?

Wait i didnt read the 2nd one

Exactly the point u made lol

[fiery surge]

my only theory why all of the founder bps were destoryed

Ballas probably did it as some sort of punishment as a way to blame us for starting the war

[cerulean kiln]

Think Old Peace is why Ballas decided to call us Demons?

[fiery surge]

and got a bit bitter from the carrige incident

[thick cedar]

*Devils

[cerulean kiln]

Same but different

[thick cedar]

yes but Devils is the word he uses

[fiery surge]

"TRADE OFFER: I get Uriel. You get Death."

[thick cedar]

and a great deal of it

[night grail]

Its a decent number

I usually see a few in the DC chat

[fiery surge]

the value and fame of founders grow each year

soon they will be celebrties

[plush swan]

In-game, I think you need roll in the air.

Personally, I think the ability should just replace bullet-jumping with flight.

I also think Oraxia's grapple should have replaced bullet-jumping with the grapple.

Both of these maneuvers feel like they want to be used instead of a bullet jump.

[cosmic slate]

A spoilery build/how does the ability work question about the new Tauron Strikes:

For the people who also saw big sword and chose Vexoric Naramon Tauron Strike, how does the sword strike hitbox work? Is it like a diagonal strike or just a big box that hurts everything in front of the player?

[pastel pasture]

I think it's as lur.

Old Peace gave us more evidence but the Tenno were not treated well at all

Ballas hated the tenno especially because Margulis liked the tenno more then him

he calls us devil because we are, to him, evil and using our deal with the Orokin (be a weapon in exchange for continuing to live) to our advantage vs the Orokin's advantage

[cerulean kiln]

It doesn't just hit what's specifically right in front of you it hits surrounding enemies

[cosmic slate]

ohh so like at minimum like 240 degrees in front of you and abit around? cool cool

Like a this?

[cerulean kiln]

Kinda, yeah

[cosmic slate]

AH icic, tysm Tenno!

[fiery surge]

great for combo generation too

[cosmic slate]

Oh yeah I saw from the upgrades further down the tree, the Vergil summon swords really help build combo fast. Look cool as well

[arctic tundra]

Dunno if this should go in here but GODS Rose from the Abyss, specifically the Descendia/Quest ver., might be my favorite song from Warframe over the past few updates.

which is saying something with all the excellent 1999 and Jade Light bangers we got

[fickle estuary]

Corpus had a sea shanty, Infested had a boy band, what are Sentients gonna get with Tau

Hunhow beatbox 🔥

Adis doesnt count not an adversary smh

[livid glen]

I meant, techincally it is the Lullaby.

I doubt we'll get anything closer to a song-theme for the Sentients.

[night grail]

Yeah because of a few reasons...

[sudden oasis]

And ballas got an anthem

[fickle estuary]

😔

[fickle estuary]

oh thanks for reminding me Narmer is a faction that exists

[livid glen]

I need more Narmer content.

[sudden oasis]

Not anymore hahahaha

[livid glen]

Give me more Pazuul.

[sudden oasis]

I need to kill more of them

[fickle estuary]

GTA6 before Pazuul or 3rd orb mother do anything

[livid glen]

Narmer Railjack.

[sudden oasis]

Doesnt

[livid glen]

Pleaseeeeeee DE, Narmer Railjack, I beg you!

[sudden oasis]

The old peace retcon some stuff?

From the new war?

[livid glen]

I don't think so.

Other than like, Caliban, and even then that's up to interpretation.

[sudden oasis]

Like, if the sentients are big ships with fragments, whose fragments is ballas leading and why do they listen to erra and not somebody else?

[fickle estuary]

Caliban was always made during the Old War

[livid glen]

Hivemind with Erra/Natah in front, pretty sure.

[fickle estuary]

as his alt helmet states

[livid glen]

Yeah, but it was stated to be made by Erra to destroy the Tenno.

Not by a Sentient-Orokin joint effort.

[sudden oasis]

But hiveminds are the shops, the shops are the sentients. Initially the big ship was the mother but no space nana

Ships*

[fickle estuary]

praghasa was braindead, erra/natah were the "leaders" of the drones

erra was simping for ballas for some reason

reminder new war wouldnt have happened if erra was simply more racist

[livid glen]

That's why we see Hunhow having his own fragments separate from others.

I'm assuming not all of them are literal fragments - Natah is stated to be queen of the mimics, so I'm assuming she would (atleast once reconnected) be the Hivemind leading them.

[fickle estuary]

🥀

[livid glen]

For example.

[livid glen]

To be fair that's the Sentients entire thing, racist conservationists.

Erra was definitly an outlier.

[wanton goblet]

This was

[rain otter]

Nah I want INFESTED RJ with a infested spaceship remaster/rework.

[livid glen]

That'd be cool, sure, but DE already have all those Sentient assets.

[rain otter]

We can get that later.

[livid glen]

From the Scarlet Spear.

I just feel like it's more likely to occur first.

Due to having way less asset work to be done.

Than infested railjack nodes, who would have to be made from scratch.

[sudden oasis]

Erra was an idiot

Ooh but wait ballas was draining her power so heeee led them like he did with natah in the final fight

Ballas deserves the bond chiffre torture scene

[fickle estuary]

Sentient Scapel being usable in less missions then Warm Coat is hilarious

it does literally nothing outside of the one tiny part of NW

[livid glen]

Yeah, the part they made easier anyways.

I love the Sentient ship designs

We just see them so little...

[fickle estuary]

same

I love how they put destroyed murexes on the starchart

AND DID NOTHING WITH THEM

literally the easiest narmer normal node locations you could ever do

[livid glen]

Yeah, there was definitly more planned that got scrapped due to Covid.

Some part of me wishes they just take a year to go back and give us more War before the New War (as well as more Narmer stuff post-new war)

Even if I know that will never happen.

One can dream...

[mental ice]

Got a question which confuses me, regardng lore, might be a plothole but...

• In "The Sacrifice" in Balla's vitruvian Ballas plans his betrayal but he mentions "A hidden truth in Lua that Hunhow and all of his kind are unaware of" regarding warframes (the existence of tenno)
• However, Old Peace happened before that I think? Or did I get the chronology wrong, but don't think so. Given Old Peace it would mean the sentients were fully aware of existence of Tenno's.

[fickle estuary]

I think he meant the Reservoir, the Sentients would have known of the Tenno but not that they started using pods to control frames a distance, Hunhow uses this info to send Stalker to try kill the Tenno during the Second Dream

during the Old Peace we directly control the frames

[livid glen]

Yeah, this is up to debate (unless it was revealed in one of Roathe's KIM chats, haven't done most yet), but I'm assuming, Hunhow being one of the Hiveminds (and thus probably cast out), simply did not have access to the information, and thus could not know anything regarding the Tenno, after the Sentients lost their independence with the destruction of the Xenoflora.

[fickle estuary]

no pods needed

[livid glen]

And yes, the Old Peace happens almost certainly before Ballas' betrayal since Margulis is still alive.

[mental ice]

This makes a bit more sense. The way the chronology goes:

• Sentients are sent to Tau
• There's the first war between orokin and sentients (where infestation and I guess warframes as bio-drones are deployed and the tenno against them, it is the war Rothe takes part in.)
• Then we have old peace
• Then the war restarts thanks to Ballas
• Then Margulis dies
• Then we have The Sacrifice" where Ballas betrays the Orokin empire. (since he at that point mentions he lives with memory of one he loved dying)
• I guess night of naga drums happens after, since it's the fall of the orokin empire

[wild wind]

Yep that's it

The one thing I'd add before that is that Margulis takes the player Tenno (and presumably others) to Lua to modify their memory of the Zariman+Tau right after Ballas restarts the war

[mental ice]

So Hunhow and Phragasa attacks post old peace, most likely as retaliation for destroying the bloom and they want to destroy the sun in return, but Sacrifice vitruvian makes it sound as if the Sentients are unaware of the Tenno existence 🤔

[wild wind]

The Tenno are mostly a secret

[mental ice]

I guess that's the only explanation about it

[fickle estuary]

wouldnt the tenno have HAD to get out of their frames during Old War

cuz yknow

[wild wind]

During the Old War, only the executors and people at Tauron Academy knew about them

[fickle estuary]

you need a amp to reset sentient resistance

[wild wind]

the Tenno don't have amps at that point

you don't have one during the Old Peace quest

[fickle estuary]

regular void blast that does 12 damage ingame 😭

[mental ice]

Perhaps the knowledge about tenno was limited to selected few then, like @wild wind said, limited to tauron academy

[fickle estuary]

regardless you need to get out of the frame to kill a sentient

[real niche]

Outside of the Void just being a weakness for the Sentients in canon, the main reason the Tenno were used in the war wasn't because of their direct Void powers, but their Transference

[wild wind]

The Tenno themselves weren't considered weapons

[real niche]

You don't, other characters have killed Sentients plenty fine without it.

[wild wind]

They were tactical assets because of their ability to control Warframes

Natah and the kids blasting Erra is one of the only times it happened

[thick jolt]

You are thinking vomvalysts

[fickle estuary]

the drones also have resistances

[wild wind]

with the other one we know about being the player Operator vaporizing their killsquad

[fickle estuary]

and like yeah vomvalysts

[thick jolt]

Meaningless resistances

[reef compass]

I found funny that moment with the Dax going "eh... Tenno are just the stuff of legends, they dont exist". Love that cliché.

[solid otter]

Tenno wasn't a unknown term, Loid knows of them before he sees us actively transfer out of our warframes, but the tenno being children seemed to be widely unknown

[fickle estuary]

those are on murexes so its not like its a eidolon only thing

[mental ice]

There's also the fact that the website lore just before release of The Old Peace, if you did at least 2 routes, gives hidden message how the anomaly in Tau was able to permanently lock Tennot to warframe. That bit was interesting.

[wild wind]

Only plains vomvalysts have that weakness

[thick jolt]

Even grineer kill sentients

[fickle estuary]

so they still HAD to use operator

[wild wind]

Loid knows the secret, what he doesn't know is that the general term for them is Operator

[solid otter]

Idk you can kill sentients w out the operator cant you?

[wild wind]

yes

[real niche]

The Lures near Grineer bases can take the "spectral" form of the Voms with only needing to kill the body, so still no.

[wild wind]

But for plains vomvalysts you need an operator

[mental ice]

Yes, you can kill sentient without operator. They adapt to weapons but they aren't immortal unless void is used

[wild wind]

plains voms and no other

[real niche]

Are we just completely forgetting about Kahl's section in The New War

[wild wind]

iirc the voms in the Sentient anomaly just die normally

[real niche]

Or the fact one of the first confirmed kills against a Sentient was just some random Grineer grunt using a shovel

[reef compass]

Sadly the UI goes wonky on that moment after revival with the "Amp" written there, so might be why people get confused (as well as being able to use one, as well as the bug that showed Amps in cutscenes) cant blame people thinking that

[mental ice]

You have to consider that voms were introduced not short after we got operator, it was part of game mechanic more than lore

[wild wind]

ooof yeah fair

[real niche]

Even considering that, the lure the Grineer have specifically deal with their spectral form anyway, so you can just shoot the body.

[fickle estuary]

if void isnt needed to kill sentients then holy shit the orokin empire was useless

[mental ice]

that too.

[blissful moss]

So I know Ballas screwed things up as usual and reignited the war with the world-seed activation, but I think I missed the "playing both sides" angle.

[real niche]

Correct! The Sentients were EXTREMELY strong

[fickle estuary]

how did they even get out of tau

[wild wind]

Not entirely their fault, the Orokin sent high tech superweapons after the Sentients and the Sentients lol nope'd it

[fickle estuary]

no like sentients are weak as hell if you dont need to amp blast them lore wise

[fickle estuary]

they were doing fine against them during old peace already no?

[mental ice]

One of the talk with Rothe did mention how strong sentients are. Got it today, it's titled "Fire" It gives pretty good insight how weapons based on technology couldn't be just used

[wild wind]

That was after they got Warframes working

[real niche]

There's a lot of ways to be strong that don't involve "Not being killed by some random thing that was a completely freak accident"

Like, you know, their entire ability to take over electronics.

[wild wind]

but yeah until the xenoflora broke the Sentient hivemind the Sentients were winning

[real niche]

Can't exactly do anything when ships you try sending in just get turned off in their entirety.

[thick jolt]

Sentients hacked their high tech weapons

[wild wind]

same reason the sentients win the New War

[real niche]

They had to make "dumber" stuff that wouldn't be turned off by the Sentient stuff, hence the whole emphasis on biological weapons.

[fickle estuary]

anarchs were able to capture the big sentients fine

[thick jolt]

What was the ship roathe mentioned again?

[mental ice]

I don't think there was war when hivemind existed. Consider timeline:

• Sentinets (as hivemind hungry for Orokin orders) go to Tau, THEN they break free.
• Then after breaking free, the first was happens.

[wild wind]

because they had the Prime Vanguard by that point

[real niche]

Don't remember exactly, not home to recheck.

[wild wind]

they say during the quest that the sentients were winning until the hivemind was broken

The hivemind breaking is why the peace happened at all

[fickle estuary]

arent those mentally insane warframes or at least some of them? whats the difference between a prime vanguard and a dax holding the prime vanguard's gun atp 😭

[real niche]

They're being forcibly taken over by Ascarius Prime's.

[pastel pasture]

I have to question how some warframes were designed

Caliban is obvious. a fusion of warframe and sentient as a symbol of peace.

then you got ones like Grendel. a warframe designed to eat people...I mean I got a feeling about who thought up that one but still

[mental ice]

Which kind of makes no sense, because hivemind was controlled by Orokin to follow orders 🤔 I assumed Ballas sabotaged the flowers to get Sentients under Orokin control at that point, because Margulis was still alive. He wasn't planning betrayal back then

[wild wind]

they're all controlled via ascarius

[wild wind]

no it's the other way around

[fickle estuary]

grineer already use normal guns by old peace

[reef compass]

Ascaris Prime... made by Ballas too

[wild wind]

The hivemind when whole was destroying the Orokin

[mental ice]

Then why would Ballas want to sabotage flowers and restart the war, if it was bringing back hivemind? His trigger for betrayal of empire was Margulis death. That didn't happen.

[wild wind]

However, with the hivemind broken, Sentients will follow commands to the letter for lack of it

[real niche]

Yeah, but they still had to deal with everything else that wasn't guns getting turned off too, like life support and ship systems.

[thick jolt]

It isnt the hivemind that is hungry for orders tho
Its individual drones with neither hivemind or xenoflora

[mental ice]

Ah...I get it

[wild wind]

Ballas hates the Tenno that much

[reef compass]

If you remember TNW, Ballas despises free will

[wild wind]

also he bet that the hivemind wouldn't reform in time

[mental ice]

Makes sense 🤔

[real niche]

Which also explains the biological buildings they constantly employ.

[mental ice]

Then again, reason to sabotage Xenoflora might have been as simple as: Why let sentients be independent?

I mean, it's orokin empire, they had enough hubris to not like the idea of sentients being free, all of the Orokin actually.

[wild wind]

that definitely came into it

[real niche]

That is basically the reason yeah

[fickle estuary]

you mean like the white plants on the orokin derelict tileset?

[wild wind]

it's a complex mix of 1. Ballas sux 2. Ballas hates you 3. Ballas hates fun freedom 4. Ballas is mad that his gf likes the kids better

[floral badge]

I feel like tauron strikes tske too long to charge up but also kinda makes sense since it would be carnage

[wild wind]

yep

[mental ice]

And that even Rothe claims Ballas was far from the worst of the Orokin

[real niche]

No I mean the flesh buildings like the Unum where the Cetus people harvest the wall meat.

[reef compass]

"The Academy is taking Margullis time with ME" I can see that

[fickle estuary]

isnt that literally the only one

😭

[undone lodge]

Ballas or some guy under him, its talked about in his Prime trailer

[thick jolt]

Other towers found in railjack also use the biological features we see in the unum

So no not the only one

[wild wind]

technically the infested asteroid from Nightwave season 2

[undone lodge]

The only one left standing

[wild wind]

oops late but: Caliban was originally designed by Erra!

[mental ice]

I am not surprised Orokin used bio-technology for building. It is faster to control growth that can develop outer shell like an orokin tower than use labor to construct.

[real niche]

It's the only one mentioned directly but you can find others. Still all under the basic umbrella of "You can't hack flesh" that they needed to use to have safeguards agains the Sentients

[pastel pasture]

I think the infestation is really really potent and easy to modify

they could have spent years researching how to make quick construction possible. Or just use the festering tumor that spreads like wildfire and just modify it to be purposed

[undone lodge]

On Earth at least

There were a bunch more towers that were presumably the same kind or similar to the Unum (beyond just being meaty) + any others across the system but the Sentient that became the Eidolons destroyed the Earth ones

[mental ice]

Given how Warframes have strong carapace of "Sword-steel" then yeah, I assume its like that. It's faster to grow a tower that will create hard carapace than just construct stuff manually.

[reef compass]

Hm, would Sentients be able to take over Infestation through metal bits? Or viceversa?

[undone lodge]

No

[real niche]

It's not an electronic so no

[pastel pasture]

I think infestation is too much flesh

[wild wind]

no but also the infestation can't take over the sentients

[real niche]

They don't just metalbend lol

[wild wind]

They hard counter each other in the worst way

[mental ice]

No, would need to be technology, besides infestation has a hive mind on it's own, consider Lizzie is also Helmnith, it's not 'separate' entities.

[undone lodge]

Maybe they could try do something to mutalist bits, but it wouldn’t be likely to do much

[reef compass]

Its just as Infestation took over Jordas I wondered at least

If Infestation can takeover them

[undone lodge]

Thats actually a normal thing it does. Gets mentioned in some flavour text I don’t remember. I think it called it “bio-ferrous”?

[real niche]

Not a Sentient so not relevant. Sentient and Infested just can't take over each other.

[reef compass]

What is Caliban then? Infestation shaped like a Sentient?

[floral badge]

Honestly id be miserable too if my name was ballas probably got bullied to hell and back

[real niche]

Purposeful hybridization

[mental ice]

The problem with infestation was though that while it could 'counter' sentient adaptation with its own growth, essentailly it wasn't winning, it just created status quo

[thick jolt]

Was remembering daklos line about sentients wanting to be more human, and then remembered alad's amalgam project
Those are some really freaky possibilities if sentients with that ideal met alad's research

[wild wind]

also the Sentients didn't care about the Infestation, they were on an extermination mission

So they'd just leave if the Infestation got thrown their way, and it'd accomplish their goals for them