lore-discussion

[tall echo]

It's why ordan failed, he wasn't quick enough

Yes

[strange plinth]

most lkely

[barren jasper]

actually maybe she was a soldier too

[tall echo]

We killed a person teshin cared about, we do not know why he cared about her

[humble sierra]

Valeria was her name. I don't believe their relationship was established, and she's only mentioned once during New War (unless he has lines that allude to her but not by name)

[strange plinth]

iirc teshin has an idle or two about her during sorrow spiral?

[humble sierra]

Also just discovered the (Roathe Voice memo 3) ||Executors aren't the head honchos of the Orokin? There were emperors!!?!?!||

[hollow trench]

So I have questions right

The drifter has an obvious gap in time between the void jump and duviri

What the hell happened between those two events?

Like I genuinely want to see chains of harrow horror

[humble sierra]

I mean makes sense. ||Orokin "Empire"||

[strange plinth]

yeah, ||they didn't do much tho||

[hollow trench]

Yes they are, second to their bosses

[strange plinth]

same as operator, for a while, made the deal, killed their parents, etc
but eventually found themself alone on the zariman. the angels closing in, they turned to the one thing that gave them comfort: a story book

[humble sierra]

They grew up, presumably at a normal rate, and were friends with Dominus Thrax, but when they got to the age they are, they wanted to leave Duviri, Thrax felt betrayed and then imprisoned Drifter in the time loop

[strange plinth]

||wait a sec did we kill the emperors||

[humble sierra]

👀 good plot hook

[hollow trench]

Well the man in the wall doesn’t imitate the drifter at all until after the new war if it is even shown.
That’s his signature move

Like the fact we have a pistol amp idk how to think of that one but it was either a deal or the drifter scrounging for parts

And I have a hard feeling thrax is like an externalized portion of the drifters mind.
Like multiple personalities to keep trauma from ripping ur mind apart

[humble sierra]

||UNLESS THEYRE ON TAU, AND WALLY WANTS TO KILL THEM||

[hollow trench]

Honestly wouldn’t be surprised

[strange plinth]

thrax was a doll that inherited the aspects of a character in the book, including the volatile emotions n such

[hollow trench]

I want more drifter content

[tall echo]

You have played duviri paradox right

[strange plinth]

i mean, they got 1999 and the triad recently
they're getting a little break atm

[hollow trench]

Yeah I have seen the tablets littered everywhere, what is odd is the communication is sparse thru them it’s not the same as we have typically seen it.

Yeah question answer format but it feels more environmentally driven than direct

[tall echo]

No, the quest

[hollow trench]

Yeah I’ve played it, been a minute but I have

[tall echo]

Because the quest explains like. Everything

[humble sierra]

Wally doesn't attempt to imitate Drifter except as the Scathing/Mocking Whisper you fight. It's possible he just torments them as the Child because that's what they looked like when they made the deal, at their most desperate. He also appears in Duviri periodically, but just not as Drifter.

The Sirocco was a gun we picked up on Duviri from a Dax soldier, it's not technically an amp, until Drifter gets the Void Powers and presumably puts their power into it.

Thrax is explicitly a character in the Tales of Duviri book, which the whole thing is based on, since as a child Drifter was isolated after the deal, turned to the book, and found comfort in it, accidentally creating it as a Conceptual Embodiment.

[tall echo]

Between jump and duviri drifter and operator are the same. Duviri, including thrax, was created by accident by drifter based on a storybook. The pistol was dropped by a thrax dax during their last execution

[humble sierra]

The Tales of Duviri was written for the children of the Zariman to teach them to control their emotions, since the Void could make them manifest

[fast dew]

I like to think Loid illustrated the book :)

[tall echo]

Outside of gameplay stuff sirocco actually still isn't an amp

[hollow trench]

It’s not?

I figured it was kit bashed together in the ship

[tall echo]

We can use it in place of an amp but it isn't one

[tall echo]

No they picked it up in duviri

Sirocco works by pulling in void energy and using it as "bullets"

[hollow trench]

That’s what surprised me tbh because I don’t remember Dax carrying pistols

Swords yeah

[strange plinth]

just the one, but drifter does explicitly pick it up off of the corpse

[hollow trench]

Huh

Still feels like there’s more to learn in time

Are they gonna do anything with the grineer queens or is that dead in the water

They briefly showed back up with voruna but it’d be nice to see what they do with them if anything.

[strange plinth]

worm's collecting kuva for one reason or another
and assaulting the zariman i guess. idr her reason for it

[tall echo]

One queen is dead the other is immune due to being needed for other content

[tall echo]

Also kuva. And resources

[strange plinth]

figures

[twilit island]

how is protea prime in old peace

[strange plinth]

she was made then?

[fast dew]

Multiple protea primes exist, shrimple.

[twilit island]

well no protea was made by two corpus guys

so how is the prime there in old peace

[smoky solstice]

guys

[hollow trench]

Isn’t she able to come back through continuity tho

[strange plinth]

protea was designed by parvos and made by ballas

[smoky solstice]

xx99 I think is after 1999

[tall echo]

Been dead too long

[twilit island]

parvos is still way past old peace tho no?

[hollow trench]

Like post apocalyptic?

[tall echo]

It's 1899

[strange plinth]

no, the corpus were founded by parvos during the orokin era. parvos's ship was sabotaged and he's been in the void since, which is how he survived

[smoky solstice]

there's a dialogue interaction between the devil's triad, lyon says that he hopes to look upon lua some day, marie says something that like oh we might, then roathe says that lua is completely shattered

[tall echo]

No parvos is extremely old

[smoky solstice]

that had to happen post 1999

[humble sierra]

He means that by his time I think

[tall echo]

Roathe is referring to his time

[humble sierra]

Or symbolically if they're referring to their god

[hollow trench]

That’s confusing af

[smoky solstice]

I mean ok, but we are travelling back to xx99, that's why it says that when we go to the cathedral, no?

[tall echo]

Roathe wasn't able to leave the exile

He is literally stuck inside

[hollow trench]

Like how umbra was stuck?

[humble sierra]

Well he can leave the Exile, just with permission

[hollow trench]

Or imprisoned

[smoky solstice]

because like if it was modern times, I mean lua is right there

[humble sierra]

Since he goes into the Sanctuary to type to us

[smoky solstice]

lua is something they can see

it was orokinified but lua is still there

[strange plinth]

lua is still very much shattered. that rock is not stable

[tall echo]

He can now

[hollow trench]

So maybe it’s when the orikin were just starting?

[humble sierra]

Ah yeah I see

[tall echo]

And? He still can't leave

[hollow trench]

They had a 10k year history in terms of being an empire

[smoky solstice]

yeah, but lyon laments about not being able to see lua, roathe is the one who point out that it is shattered

[tall echo]

Roathe can leave the exile to go into a basement

[smoky solstice]

idk, it's just weird for lyon to say that if lua can still be seen, no?

[tall echo]

It can't

Not by them

[strange plinth]

they seem to be stuck in that cathedral, no?

[next mica]

not if they're stuck in the cathedral, since it seem to be underground

[tall echo]

They use the pc in the lab to text

[next mica]

or at least to not have any windows

[humble sierra]

Marie has a line saying "good evening! It is evening, non? So hard to tell" or something

[strange plinth]

that's the only other place they can go, i mean

[tall echo]

But the triad can't leave the sanctum

[next mica]

on another planer+underground, wont be able to see lua from there either 🥲

[smoky solstice]

idk, I guess it just felt like more of a thing you say if lua isn't there

[humble sierra]

At least so far... maybe one of the Dates will be set on Lua

[smoky solstice]

but I guess I can see it as just being a thing of we're stuck here

so we can't see the moon

[strange plinth]

tbf roathe also loves to make fun of the other two, that comment could just be a jab at them

[fast dew]

I doubt we'll leave. The dates are independent and not reliant on ||loid being reunited to the family. If that fails, they wouldn't be able to leave||

[humble sierra]

"By Sol, light the way"
"By Lua, guide them through the night"
"By the Void, shut these two up"

Or whatever the line is

[strange plinth]

i've gotta spend more time in there, the banter is great

[next mica]

dualism vs eternalism 😄 /hj

[hollow trench]

I’m looking forward to dsiege dropping a video

[fast dew]

Roathe is so real for that

[strange plinth]

egh. i do not trust them for lore

[hollow trench]

Who’s good?

[fast dew]

Genuinely don't trust anyone that just says shit without reading it yourself

[humble sierra]

Also I was super skeptical about the idea of buying Tauron Strikes, but then a cutscene plays where Lyon summons them from the Void

Which works a lot better

[fast dew]

When i say something i do try to get the sources for folk

[strange plinth]

tbh most of the loretubers are not great.
outdated info at best, active misinformation at worst

[fast dew]

Ask the archive, ask yall or find it myself, and ill show yall

[tall echo]

Don't trust loretubers

[hollow trench]

So roathe being orokin doesn’t interfere with the whole becoming a Warframe process?

Aren’t the orokin resistant to the infestation since they can modify their genes on command essentially

[fast dew]

Nup

||Albrecht kidnapped his ass and it still worked||

[strange plinth]

not on command, they very much have devices to do so

[smoky solstice]

ok wait is marie's "a la revoyure" supposed to imply something? I feel like the standard in french is "au revoir", so what the hell is this variant

[fast dew]

Still so funny Albrecht did that

[strange plinth]

yoink

[smoky solstice]

I'm googling this and I'm seeing everything from it's part of acadian french, to it's a southern french thing

[fast dew]

See you later

[smoky solstice]

I'm just wondering if it may point to the time period

[fast dew]

It means see you later

[hollow trench]

It’d be cool to see the long arm design on him too like with ballas and what not

[fast dew]

Albrecht? Albrecht never had it

[smoky solstice]

well I understand what it may mean, I'm just saying like it doesn't seem very standard to say in french, is it?

[next mica]

"à la revoyure" implie you'll see the person again sometime soon

[smoky solstice]

I don't know if I see a la revoyure that much compared to au revoir

[hollow trench]

On roathe, unless it’s not every person

[smoky solstice]

is it something that's said nowadays?

[hollow trench]

In the empire

[next mica]

as a french person its not that unusual at all

[fast dew]

Oh, roathe probably had it ngl

He just doesn't have that arm anymore lol

[smoky solstice]

gotcha, that's interesting, I don't think I've ever seen it before now but I guess it's just not really significant at all then

[hollow trench]

Do u think loid is gonna beat ts out of albrecht for just going for milk and cigs lol

Whenever he comes back

[smoky solstice]

does marie say anything that sounds archaic? @next mica

[fast dew]

You won't see french slang much. Outside native french speakers, speaking to each other

[next mica]

Yeah not much to it, except maybe than its pretty friendly

[hollow trench]

Cause it’s been a long time right?

[fast dew]

I fully anticipate that Albrecht is gonna die before he sees loid again

[next mica]

currently no, but since my game is in french I dont have "frenchism" in kim tho

[hollow trench]

I am interested in seeing how it plays out

[smoky solstice]

oh, but marie speaks a lot outside of kim too, I hear her speaking french a lot during descendia

[fast dew]

Marie does apparently have the seperated punctuation marks thats seen in the french language, is that true?

[hollow trench]

The entire family isn’t aware of regular Loids existence just yet right?

[fast dew]

Not that he is still alive, no

[humble sierra]

They know he exists, some still remember him

[fast dew]

He was there for Euleria's childhood and the grandchildren's

Im so normal over that

[next mica]

Ah yeah this one is my bad, I dont really listen to her when i'm playing descendia 🥲

[hollow trench]

I forget he’s technically human? Or orokin?

[smoky solstice]

honestly I did not expect marie to be as french as she is weirdly enough? like I expected the vast majority of lines to be in english but it's a lot more blended, which is cool

[fast dew]

The theory Loid illustrated the tales of Duviri

[next mica]

Seperated punctuation marks? what's that?

[strange plinth]

orokin are human
but loid was not orokin, no

[smoky solstice]

I assume the game being in french means that all the voice acting is still in english, the subtitles and everything else are just in french, right?

[fast dew]

He is human, but Albrecht does see Loid as above him, which is wild

[hollow trench]

There’s a big difference tho, like corpus and orokin

[next mica]

exactly

[hollow trench]

One tall blue man the other not so tall and not so blue

[fast dew]

Like instead of doing "hey!", she'd do "hey !" With the space between the punctuation

[strange plinth]

they're both human
the orokin could modify their appearances
we can, too, using the same tech. we just get it through focus redeems

[next mica]

let me check kim

[fast dew]

Tldr a orokin sees a servant as above him/orokin sees himself below a servant.

Wild shit

[smoky solstice]

but yeah, I assume there's not much there, I was just wondering in case it could point to some clues. Like if she often uses terms that are very unusual for modern french, it could point to xx99 being in the past. Although I'm wondering if the fact that there's no real difference to modern french may mean that xx99 is not in fact in 1899, when french might have been spoken differently. At the same time, 1899 is pretty recent so maybe there won't be much there regardless @next mica

[hollow trench]

That’s weird

But interesting.

[fast dew]

Albrecht is a weird orokin

[next mica]

nope no space

at least in kim

[smoky solstice]

plus the type of french nuns would speak in a church setting might just be more archaic overall

[hollow trench]

I’d be pretty weird if I ventured into the void several times

[fast dew]

No? Swear she did

[smoky solstice]

I definitely saw the space, even before question marks

[fast dew]

He was odd before it as well

[next mica]

Oh yeah no french was definitly different back then 🥲 she's really talking like someone from our days

(answering vanilla)

[hollow trench]

Didn’t albrecht basically tell his higher ups like hey there’s horrors beyond our comprehension and should probably be more careful with this but they were like nah it’s okay let’s try it out

[strange plinth]

no lol he didn't tell anyone

[next mica]

not in french 🥲

[smoky solstice]

huh... I don't want to make too many conclusions, especially since it might just be a function of DE not really paying too much attention to making the French sound more archaic

[smoky solstice]

huh, that's weird. I assume the spaces should be there in French, no?

[hollow trench]

I remember reading about his entries through the void gates but other items are more vague

[fast dew]

Nah. Didn't tell anyone. Seemed to be under the impression that wally is almost a information hazard

[smoky solstice]

or are the spaces just put there when y'all speak english

[next mica]

no idea

[hollow trench]

I feel like either way if he said something they would have brushed him off or had him killed

[fast dew]

Read his notes! It shows a more interesting side to him

Hes canonically a stoner :)

[smoky solstice]

I mean like when you write stuff in french, is it standard for you to put a space before exclamation points/question marks?

[next mica]

I genuinelly dont know 🥲

[hollow trench]

That orokin Zaza

[smoky solstice]

because I always thought that was just a feature of the language

[fast dew]

Nestawood! He and Loid do it together

Which is... so delightful

Relationship goals

[strange plinth]

do the goals include Loid being a lightweight /s

[hollow trench]

Stoner buddies.
I can just look at the Warframe wiki right?

[smoky solstice]

well regardless, it is interesting that her french alligns with modern french

[fast dew]

No see unfortunately none of my partners will ever be lightweights (i prefer heavier people so the chances are lower)/j

[smoky solstice]

definitely makes it sound like xx99 was after 1999 but that's not really strong evidence for that either way

especially because all the scenery seems to imply otherwise

[fast dew]

Mhm. The orokin archives or the offical wiki is better than the fandom wiki

[smoky solstice]

never use the fandom wiki

[next mica]

yeah she's even using (in french at least) word only found on modern internet, like "Keksekça" wich is the phonetique for "Qu'est ce que c'est que ça" (what's that) only used on internet

[smoky solstice]

fate worse than death

[smoky solstice]

oh that's really interesting actually

[fast dew]

Looking at the doom fandom wiki saying Samuel hayden is from new York (where did we learn this)

[strange plinth]

tbf the 1999 group aren't restricted to 1999 language either
its a much larger amount of time to language to change, yes, but would the writers care about making them make sense to modern readers or being historically accurate

[next mica]

yeah to be fair that could just be a way to make her more understandable, cause if she was using 1899 sentence construction and voculabilary that would be hard to understand

would probably sound like some of the cavia

[hollow trench]

Also

Unrelated question.

The proto frames in question aka hex the triad and the folks from the encore update for onlyne

They will end up like excal umbra essentially?

Or the first generation of warframes
Like how the rhino primecodex references how og rhino was literally an animal and had no consciousness in essence

[smoky solstice]

yeah I know, like it's more of a case of if the french were more archaic, then it would be evidence that it is before 1999, but if it's not, it could just be that DE is making the french comprehensible to modern players

[next mica]

probably not since its two completly different strains of infection, but that's still a risk

[smoky solstice]

for sure. I do find the use of modern internet terms weird, given that that's the type of thing that a french person on the team would probably point out as not making much sense for a 19th century nun to say. But that's not dispositive regardless.

[strange plinth]

depends on if they have something to focus on. warframes retain sentience easier if they can focus on something (kullervo had his guilt, stalker had his hate, umbra had his single burning memory, etc)

[fast dew]

Nup. They end up like temple.

They do eventually fall, the one example is just normal warframeification

[hollow trench]

But if they were people prior

Then they have a conscious

It’s not like making a Warframe from raw ingredients. I guess from a gameplay standpoint you can’t have every frame running around either

[fast dew]

Well

Warframes are people

The process was just slowed by Albrecht's modified strain

[smoky solstice]

and I mean, if we're talking about the KIM system here, the keksekca thing could just be her doing the same type of shortening that french people in our day did to not have to type that entire thing out every time they wanted to say "what's that". Like her organically coming up with the shortened version herself in the Warframe universe @next mica

[spark tiger]

Why does roathe count how many times you have fought him in the descendia?

[fast dew]

It affects the kim system

[smoky solstice]

since I assume that's why keksekca is a thing in the modern internet

[strange plinth]

he does seem involved with the process

[fast dew]

Or she learnt it from the internet :)

[hollow trench]

Yeah but if you are building one from the orbiter it’s not like it’s got a mind of its own baked in

[fast dew]

... it does

[strange plinth]

the mind is dormant

it wakes up for a moment in second dream

[next mica]

not really, that a specific abreviation that only make sense as an heritage of the paid sms system, if I remember correctly

[fast dew]

Thats what the idle animations are. Fragments of the personality poking through

[smoky solstice]

yeah but is she really lurking in some random forums which apparently exist in some form in the warframe universe, which we don't have any access to?

[fast dew]

Yeah probably 😭 its not like they don't have anything better to do

Forums exist, we just don't use em, its just 90s internet

[smoky solstice]

sure but what I mean is that that implies that there are actual forums with french people in the warframe modern day

[hollow trench]

It wouldn’t be all of it though would it? I’m saying if Arthur becomes fully infested and at some point he will

What is it to say he won’t behave like excal umbra or just stand around like regular excal

[smoky solstice]

it's not like the devil's triad is in 1999, they're in our modern timeline

[next mica]

or they could be connected to 1999 internet, would make sense since they have access to kim

[smoky solstice]

or if they're in xx99, they're clearly way before the internet if it's in 1899

[fast dew]

No? The POM-2 communicates through 1999's timeline

They use the POM-2 in the labs

Roathe literally has a line about Loid looming over him as he types

[smoky solstice]

yeah but I always thought the lab pom-2 was not connected to the 1999 internet in the same way that our orbiter pom-2 is

[fast dew]

Timeline. I mean

[smoky solstice]

all it has is just lore pretty much

[fast dew]

God. Whats the word?.

[fast dew]

It was just semi-bricked after we messed it up lol

[drifting pivot]

How do the people in the warfare universe have any knowledge of Christianity with things as specific as devils with demons and fire powers?

Or I guess any real life religion

[smoky solstice]

but ok, so they're communicating from the modern day with people in 1999?

posting to the forums as if they were also in 1999?

[fast dew]

Its not Christianity. Its specifically dualism.

[smoky solstice]

then ig marie could've picked up that type of slang from there

[drifting pivot]

Is it just convenient that they’re very similar

[fast dew]

... thats exactly what the kim system does

[strange plinth]

they'd either go feral or retain sentience, they wouldn't go inert through a "natural" transformation, nor would they be affected by the batch's "original" mind

[plucky raft]

Okay so I had and interesting theory from the old peace….so what if our operator really is the indifference but….now hear me out I know you’ll say not possible because they were put to sleep….well why if the Uriel warframe was so cursed it bonded with the operator or the operator made a deal with the warframe and a part of the operator was split from within that warframe making him the indifference

[strange plinth]

what

[smoky solstice]

yeah but like the only interaction we have is speaking to the protoframes, I didn't realise there was a connection to like internet forums

[fast dew]

We sure aint talking to arthur in the current day lol

[next mica]

why

[plucky raft]

It’s just and interesting theory

[strange plinth]

dualism takes inspiration from several different real-life faiths. there's not a lore reason, that's just how it developed

[fast dew]

They have an internet connection, thats enough for forum access

I can access AO3 on a smart tv

[drifting pivot]

Fair ig to be fair I never really understood where war frame lies compared to reality

[hollow trench]

Can they play doom?

[next mica]

But the indifference existed before the old peace tho, since we made a deal with it to be come the tenno

[smoky solstice]

idk, so ig you're saying marie could've picked it up from there

which maybe

[fast dew]

They can access the equivalent to 4chan on the pom2

[hollow trench]

Oh god

[fast dew]

Oh absolutely

[hollow trench]

They have live leaks

[plucky raft]

Well I know that but still would be kinda cool though

[smoky solstice]

and then the rest of her language fitting modern french is just DE making it so that the french is comprehensible to the modern audience

so basically, her language tells us nothing of when xx99 is

[fast dew]

Doom came out 6 years prior to 1999

They absolutely could play doom

[smoky solstice]

or in other words, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[fast dew]

They could even play doom 2 and i think doom 64

[hollow trench]

That’d be funny as hell to play a doom clone on the Kim 2

[smoky solstice]

I'm joking, but I was really hoping DE might've hidden hints of when xx99 is in the french language, that would be a pretty cool way to nudge us in the direction or before or after 1999

[fast dew]

There was a removed roathe line about it being in the 19th century

[smoky solstice]

it is what it is

[fast dew]

And that random leak on the site of it being in 1899

[pine orchid]

my partner calls the architecture like 1699-1799, no electricity puts it to be more likely before 1799 but they could also just be from an area that didn't have electricity yet in the 1800s Xd

[fast dew]

"Boom – classic boomer shooter"

[hollow trench]

The whole timeline gets muddy after a while cause they rewrite stuff and then other things don’t add up too.

[strange plinth]

it was clearly intended to be in 1899 at some point

[smoky solstice]

I don't really trust removed lines because it could either mean that they remvoed it because they didn't want it to be explicit, or they removed it because they changed their minds on it taking place in 1899

[next mica]

I mean, the architecture doesnt mean much to be fair

[fast dew]

This is a cathedral in france, its architecture isn't something that can be counted on

[thick yacht]

Roathe knows about Narmer?

[strange plinth]

he says how right there

[next mica]

yeah there's info about narmer in the computer near loid

[pine orchid]

just pointing it out, I did have the whole other half of my sentence guys 😂

[fast dew]

Loid told him and the records on the pom-2 is there

[hollow trench]

The interaction between roathe and the family will be interesting if there will be any

[thick yacht]

You can access it?

[next mica]

yeah

[fast dew]

Electricity might not be allowed in older buildings, or rural areas

[pine orchid]

apparently he's been filled in on what happened with us yeah

[next mica]

its a recap of everything that happen until wisper in the wall

[strange plinth]

file on the desktop. Operator Report

[thick yacht]

The thing with Narmer is that you had to be there for it to experience its true horror, and I think even Roathe understands that.

[hollow trench]

So how did the Anarch in the old peace commandeer warframes, or was it Tenno vs Tenno

[thick yacht]

“Praise the wise and mighty Ballas…”

[pine orchid]

I did say that

[fast dew]

Shout out to that time i needed to wait 4 months to have a ethernet port installed somewhere in the house i used to live in cuz it was from the early 1800s

[hollow trench]

I know that the lady commanding the anarch group mentions us having a taste of our own medicine

[pine orchid]

they just might be in a location with no electricity access

[thick yacht]

Speaking of which, does anyone think Ballas was wise OR mighty

[fast dew]

Sorry wrong reply 😭 meant to reply to myself explaining your point further

He was certainly smart.

[thick yacht]

Mighty maybe tbh he did control the entire system at a point

[pine orchid]

though that also doesn't help with trying to pinpoint definitive year if it could be anywhere from like 1699 to 9999 for all we know Xd

[fast dew]

And kinda pretty. Unfortunately.

[strange plinth]

ascaris primes. they take over warframes. Vor used an ascaris on you in the first quest of the game

[thick yacht]

1099

[hollow trench]

I thought it was just a restriction device

[next mica]

we can probably pinpoint the year between 1699 and the destruction of france

[hollow trench]

Neat

[fast dew]

Absolute destruction of france

[next mica]

wich will happen way before 9999 I believe

[fast dew]

It happens rather soon after 1999

Which is why im reluctant to say it happens post 1999

The radwars do happen after all.

[pine orchid]

tbf it probably won't take that long from 1999 because of the radiation wrs

[next mica]

maybe 2099

[fast dew]

Ehhh

Its definitely set earlier. Lyon is apparently new to technology

[hollow trench]

I find it interesting He had control over mars and had literally all he could want and still wanted margulis like his obsession was a catalyst in a way

But she died and he was just done after that

[next mica]

do we know if lyon and marie both come from the same time period?

[pine orchid]

Marie seems to know coffee machines

[fast dew]

They are soul siblings and are of the same religious sect. Id hope so.

[fast dew]

Tbf Albrecht has one in the netracells

[pine orchid]

one of her kim messages is her being like "idk of I push a button whether I'm about to make coffee or be flung into the far future"

[next mica]

coffee machine are from the mid/late 19th

[lean garden]

wasnt she looking for a clock?

[next mica]

and come from france !

[fast dew]

Albrecht has a few fun things in the netracells

He has his daughter's book

[hollow trench]

It’d be funny if he had gaming consoles

[pine orchid]

she was, maybe I misremembered what she thought the button would do XD

[fast dew]

This hurts me so much

[fast dew]

He has a fire extinguisher and the vagabond's mask. So logically i must assume he kidnapped the vagabond by hitting him with a fire extinguisher.

[hollow trench]

Fire extinguisher prime

[fast dew]

We know its not above him now

https://tenor.com/view/catnapping-cat-kidnap-cat-steal-that-was-useful-cat-bag-gif-15383237504303739740

[hollow trench]

Once he figured out there’s something in the walls literally he ran as fast as he could lmao

[pine orchid]

yoinkd

[fast dew]

Albrecht :D

WRO G RE P Y

Ending it all.

[hollow trench]

Huh?

[fast dew]

Wronf reply

[pine orchid]

think they meant to reply to the cat gif

[fast dew]

Ye

[pine orchid]

probably

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-gif-22734101

[hollow trench]

How much catnip does Kalymos need to get high

[pine orchid]

albrecht yoinking vagabond like

[fast dew]

The concept of Albrecht kidnapping people

[patent cargo]

DO NOT THE CAT

[pine orchid]

do kavats in general get high from catnip? does catnip still exist in cetus???

[hollow trench]

Excellent question

[fast dew]

Reckon kalymos likes getting bathed

[hollow trench]

How close are kavats to cats?

[fast dew]

Or is she like

Fighting against it with her life

[hollow trench]

Earth basically is an alien world in Warframe compared to our earth

[pine orchid]

they're distant descendants of cats, but they generally seem mostly cat-like in behaviour

[hollow trench]

Like cheetahs

But much bigger

[strange plinth]

well, it was nuked several times, abandoned, infested, cleaned up, abandoned again, poisoned, etc.

[next mica]

if I remember correctly not all species of feline are impacted by catnip

so we cant say for sure if kavat would be

[dire mountain]

Not to mention the gene editing the orokin have access to

[hollow trench]

I am intrigued about the stupid early history of the in game lore like before the orokin cause shit had to be wild

[abstract mantle]

Just has a little extra history is all

[strange plinth]

there are at least 18 radiation wars between 1999 and the zariman's launch

[abstract mantle]

Now quick question

Where is Natah in all of The Old Peace

[hollow trench]

18?

[strange plinth]

doesn't exist yet

[hollow trench]

Well wait

[abstract mantle]

Wasn’t Natah the original though?

[dire mountain]

At least

[dire mountain]

Original of what 😭

[hollow trench]

Natah took over after margulis was executed. Ballas wouldn’t have gone the lengths he did if margulis was still alive right?

[strange plinth]

margulis is alive, she talks to us at the end of the quest

[copper mountain]

Might be born, might even already be in the origin system, but has yet to be tasked with anything
It's not even clear if Hunhow participated in the part of the Old War that came before the Old Peace

[dire mountain]

Shes also at the very beginning

And also the activation index

[next mica]

and in the middle with the fake message

[hollow trench]

The whole reason ballas was done is because the seven was okay with executing margulis but going forward with the sentient program

[strange plinth]

i forget about the message
but her first appearance is easier to miss, the other two are in-your-face

[hollow trench]

So natah would have had to be around right?

[dire mountain]

Honestly i didnt even think she was real I thought she was a hallucination until she mentioned itzam

[next mica]

wait, didnt old peace happened before old war? like, didnt the end of old peace created the event of old war?

[abstract mantle]

I do believe it’s hinted at and told that Hunhow is old enough for the Old War

[strange plinth]

ballas was salty that margulis died at all
even though he could've saved her. a single "no" prevents an execution

[strange plinth]

old war part 1 > old peace > old war part 2

[next mica]

ah yeah explain a lot

[strange plinth]

can't be in the origin system, hunhow hasn't crossed the gap to origin yet

[lean garden]

A single no prevents her execution, but uh

how to say, it wouldnt have helped them much

[dire mountain]

Yeah because the rail is still very much intact

[hollow trench]

The crewman entry talks about it and I remember it was explicitly they said hey we don’t care the Tenno are kids they r weapons lol and ballas is like margulis doesn’t agree with that and I back her but the seven went thru with it either way

[copper mountain]

Order of events is

• A tenno accidentally burns out Margulis' eyes
• Ballas is really mad about this
• He uses Margulis to trick our Tenno into ending the Old Peace and frame us as revenge
• Margulis is mad about this and takes the fall for us
• She gets blasted
• Ballas can't handle the consequences of his own actions
• He starts planning to defect
• He sends Hunhow a copy of the Vitruvian from The Sacrifice revealing the Reservoir
• Hunhow sends Natah to infiltrate the Reservoir
• Ballas messes with her brain and turns her into the Lotus

[lean garden]

ballas would have burned the empire for her, and he eventually did

[copper mountain]

Oh yeah right, he's the last one to go

[hollow trench]

Her death was the match that lit a long fuse

[dire mountain]

The crewman synthesis has an unnamed archimedian get the jade light

[strange plinth]

notably, margulis's execution is separate from what was going on there
she was on trial, they were doing the idea proposals

[copper mountain]

You're thinking of the disembodied voices from final missions of The Second Dream

The jade light archimedean was also way earlier

[next mica]

during the zariman incident yeah

[lean garden]

before the zariman incident

[strange plinth]

zariman incident was way later

[dire mountain]

Yeah the crewman synthesis has to be before the zariman

[next mica]

wait there was another one?

[dire mountain]

Because we got confirmation that the sentients were first THEN the 10-0 because tuvul got impatient

[strange plinth]

the crewman synthesis is the sentients being proposed, the sentients were sent before the zariman

[hollow trench]

I thought there was only one Archimedean that was murked

[copper mountain]

Thanks, random interview with the lead writer

[strange plinth]

tbf there was the one duviri tablet that didn't make sense if the zariman was first

[dire mountain]

Thanks voice of god for giving us ammunition

[next mica]

ah nvm I was thinking about the crew becoming cephalon in the zariman

[pine orchid]

was that confirmed to he Natah? I had my suspicions but unsure if it was Natah mimicry or if Ballas just deepfaked Margulis or smth

[hollow trench]

But the outrage with the sentients being proposed went against the sevens principles they wrote out right?

And ballas seeing it add up plus ballas being who he is it led to everything else

[next mica]

for me it was a deepfake

[strange plinth]

that was margulis, the code we got was changed, not the message itself

[dire mountain]

No i think the message was real it was just attached to the activation index and not any sort of destruction sequence

[copper mountain]

That was actually Margulis, it's she was likely doing it under duress or false pretenses
The last scene all but confirms she knew the ayatan was a trap

[lean garden]

honestly it could have been a real message, just that ballas swapped the codes and marge got swindled too

[lean garden]

I dont think it confirms that she knew what it would have lead to

[copper mountain]

Fair

[strange plinth]

ballas acted super angry about it to make the other executors want to defy him, sorta

• the mention of "the flaw" made the idea a little more acceptable, even if it was against the principles

[pine orchid]

the message just sounded weird, and I wasn't sure if it was the real Margulis
ig I didn't think Margulis would be so vitriolic as she did when she said "Galastra attempted murder on my love, and for that alone she deserves death"

[lean garden]

she tells the tenno that they know the answer, and the tenno earlier said margulis wouldnt have done that

[lean garden]

to be very fair, Marge did love ballas, but yea the "death to our enemies!" bit was awkward

[pine orchid]

yeah that was the part that seemed off to me

[hollow trench]

Natah could have blended with the sentients. So it wouldn’t be out of the question to say she was there to fill in and guide us to do what did happen

[pine orchid]

I would've expected Margulis to be like bring them to justice but not "they will roast alive in their fortress"

but then again... we don't know what the real Margulis is like

maybe she was always a yandere-

[lean garden]

Natah was conceived to burrow into lua, so like I dont think she'd have been around during the Old Peace

[hollow trench]

she tells the tenno that they know the answer, and the tenno earlier said margulis wouldnt have done that

This is what confused me as well but recalling memories that are millennia old an from a hypertraumatized child that doesn’t age and can use god like powers doesn’t help the case

[strange plinth]

the memories are mostly intact, tbf

[hollow trench]

Plus if Natah is guiding us through the memories what is to say her recollection of things she’s told by the orokin isn’t accurate?

[lean garden]

I mean you are using an animus, I dont think your memories are too suspect

[hollow trench]

Wouldn’t it interfere with the memory

[abstract mantle]

The zariman incident was lay later from what?

[lean garden]

but also, nothing of that would mean that Margulis is complicit in giving the wrong codes

[pine orchid]

tenno saying she wouldn't have done that (deceived us) doesn't necessarily point either way I think, whether that message was the real Margulis and the codes were swapped, or that the message and code was fake from the start

[next mica]

we cant really know, we basicly know nothing about the machine

[dire mountain]

After the sentients were created

[strange plinth]

crewman synthesis, the sentients being proposed to the seven

[abstract mantle]

Weren’t sentients also separate, I didn’t think they were made.

[hollow trench]

Do we have an approximate timeframe for when the 10-0 incident occurred

[abstract mantle]

Also whats 10-0, Zariman? I don’t remember the shortname meaning

[strange plinth]

between the sentients being sent and the old war starting

[hollow trench]

That’s the ship name

[next mica]

ten-0

[abstract mantle]

Okay it is I just always say zariman or full zariman ten zero

[strange plinth]

Zariman project, 10th "type" (i'm guessing?), first (0th) attempt
we see the Zariman Five-Nine in the old peace, its the egg we activate

[pine orchid]

we're tenno! we believe!

[hollow trench]

So essentially, zariman pops back into space

We get rescued
Warframes and transference is a thing now

Old peace happens?

[hollow trench]

That’s cool I didn’t notice that

[strange plinth]

yea basically
there's a couple more steps in there

[hollow trench]

Talk about no breaks

[abstract mantle]

Yeah and then you just account for eternalism as well

[copper mountain]

It's weird. The actual incident occurred before the Old War started, but the ship likely didn't reappear until the middle of the first half.

Gen 1 Warframes and the Warframe Insurrections need to happen before the Tenno become operators, and those events only occur after the Orokin start losing the first half of the Old War. Zariman might have re-appeared before the war started, but in that case the Tenno are going to be in stasis for a bit.

[strange plinth]

eternalism just explains the drifter, its not really been accessed otherwise

[hollow trench]

That would be the time that umbra becomes a thing too right?

Because they were having a difficult time trying to get anything to stick

[strange plinth]

umbra was one of the last frames made, he probably would've been made during the old peace or the latter half of the old war

[abstract mantle]

Originally I thought he was one of the first but Old Peace clarified he was the last

[lean garden]

I think its not a "first attempt" it think its just unit 1 (0)

because theres a ton of world seeders

[hollow trench]

Where do they clarify that

[lean garden]

so I imagine its 5-1 5-2 5-3 all the way to how many

[strange plinth]

ah, unit is a better word to use, yes

[abstract mantle]

The general order of events and ballas’s actions of betrayal

[pine orchid]

I just imagine wally looking at timelines is like when we look at story timeline flowcharts in games

[hollow trench]

Ohhhh

[lean garden]

doubt its during old peace

yea it cannot be during

[strange plinth]

right, because he's not plotting until after margulis dies

[hollow trench]

Shortly after?

[lean garden]

ballas does what he does because marge is dead

and she doesnt die till after the old peace

[abstract mantle]

Yeah

And so Umbra is last not first

Which is also why he is still traumatized because he never had a tenno pal meeting.

[hollow trench]

Umbra wasn’t fielded either

[copper mountain]

No Umbra's a special little fella.

Umbra got made well into the second half of the Old War, after Margulis died and Ballas got so mad that he decided to defect to the Sentients. Umbra was originally a Dax soldier who almost discovered Ballas' plan to defect, so Ballas had him Warframe'd and forced him to kill his own son. Ballas used Gen 1 techniques to make it really be Umbra's own actions and then locked him away in a vault on Lua until it getting jostled out of the void in The Second Dream accidentally released him.

[pine orchid]

idk if Umbra is confirmed last, but definitely post Old Peace

[copper mountain]

Umbra is a Gen 2 Warframe made to function like an old Gen 1 as a personal form of torture
Because again, Ballas needs to be mid-betrayal scheme for him to be created

[abstract mantle]

And after Umbra we learn is the true fall of the orokin

[pine orchid]

I feel like I need a better name for autonomous warframes

[hollow trench]

The generation thing is semi confusing

Like you have the originals tha were literally feral then primes? Then mass production frames

[dire mountain]

Sapient

[lean garden]

ah no

[pine orchid]

hear me out, call the wokeframes Xd /hj

[old wharf]

Why did Erra attack the Lotus (Natah) in "The Maker"

[dire mountain]

🔥 ✍️

[old wharf]

I'm a bit dumb when it comes to the lore.

[lean garden]

you have all the pre-tenno frames, because the tenno werent around, and the you have all the post-tenno frames who had tenno, for obvious reasons

there were bases and primes for both

[copper mountain]

Gen 1 vs Gen 2 more refers to whether they were made with an operator in mind or not
All frames are assumed to be Gen 2 unless specific evidence is provided to infer that they're not

[strange plinth]

they're not official terms, tbf
the "gen 1" frames are just pre-tenno frames, most would eventually go mad and get executed
the "gen 2" frames are dormant, intended for transference

[abstract mantle]

Gen 2 frames were like a person’s skills trapped into a body, no consciousness.
Gen 1 frames as far as I remember were literal people turned frames.

[hollow trench]

Some weren’t even made by the orokin either, albrecht was busy making frames of his own

[ashen pulsar]

well, weren't both people turned frames?

[hollow trench]

That’s what I kind of figured

[copper mountain]

Known pre-Tenno frames are Dante, Jade, Kullervo, Rhino, and the Stalker
Umbra is post-Tenno but still autonomous because of the whole personal torture thing
Dagath was a puppet until her "accident" seemed to reactivate her autonomy, although this is mostly my own speculation and not confirmed

[ashen pulsar]

in a way temple is last at the same time as being one of the first

[abstract mantle]

Yes, but as mentioned earlier they’re dormant in gen 2.

[ashen pulsar]

yeah

[strange plinth]

he needed her to power the ship, not to think about his previous "death"

[old wharf]

LOL

[abstract mantle]

I hope we get to save uncle soon

[hollow trench]

Valkyr is an exception in this regard as she is gen 2 but so angry that she could move on her own?

Ik she was tourturrd

[pine orchid]

Erra be like "my death was gretly exaggerated"

[hollow trench]

Idk

[abstract mantle]

We’re so close to a real peace with sentients again for a full faction

[pine orchid]

it sounds like these gen2 frames are like sedated in some way

[dire mountain]

Some were not built* by the orokin. Qorvex and Temple are very notable examples of such. Qorvex was designed by Albrecht for the Chosen Operator and Ballas was too scared to even build Temple.

[ashen pulsar]

built to be

[dire mountain]

Those schematics were created and do exist

[old wharf]

I thought it was because she was questioning what he was saying.

[copper mountain]

I think the implication post-New War is that she was close to figuring out that something's wrong with her memories (i.e., Ballas is working with Erra and they're both manipulating her) so he just got the jump on her and put her in the ship battery port.

[hollow trench]

What’s the deal with temple

[pine orchid]

for one reason or another they could all theoretically become autonomous again

[hollow trench]

I know ballast didn’t like Mirage. He didn’t like Yareli
Either

[ashen pulsar]

designed, created, and then ignored. Temple would've been gen 1 tho, right?

[abstract mantle]

Which is also hinted at by the chance we get the future autonomous warframe upgrade mentioned on a devstream once

[copper mountain]

Again, I point to Dagath as a frame that goes from basically a puppet to fully autonomous vengeance machine

[abstract mantle]

Let my warframe fight beside me DE it’s time

[pine orchid]

I would love this, my son can run around myurdering while I do pewpew lasers

[old wharf]

or because she didn't want to do the war.

[abstract mantle]

Did Dagath have a story quest, I don’t think she did?

Or I forgot again

[ashen pulsar]

would've as in the strain, if it was used, would lead to sapient frames.

[dire mountain]

Temple's very nature is rebellion. Ballas, for once, had foresight and thought "Hey building them might come back to bite me in the ass."

Albrecht then came along and stole the serum and injected Flare Varleon with it turning them into Temple. They hitch a ride on a comet and show up during the Night of the Naga Drums

[strange plinth]

she has a grandmother naberus story

[copper mountain]

In an extremely roundabout way yeah but he's his they're their own thing. He's They're a protoframe that lived so long that hethey became his their own batch source.
-# My B forgor their pronouns

[abstract mantle]

Your son?

[ashen pulsar]

they, and im talking about the strain itself

[hollow trench]

That’s cool

[strange plinth]

more because she's only useful to them for her utility

[pine orchid]

I hc my sevagoth to be an incarnation of a dnd oc I affectionately call my son Xd

[ashen pulsar]

temple strain creates temple regardless of flare it was just only used once

[hollow trench]

I took umbra with me in the new war cause it was personal

Plus he needs the enrichment

Especially after fortuna

[old wharf]

After they took all of her power, didn't they like... yeet her away

[old wharf]

chicken but

[hollow trench]

Do you think any of the Warframes knew about each other

[strange plinth]

now, would temple arrive on the 9th beat of the drums, or the 10th?
i doubt they'd be off-beat lol

[copper mountain]

Yes. Jade and Stalker. They definitely knew about each other

[lean garden]

well now maybe

[hollow trench]

Yeah

[ashen pulsar]

yes

[strange plinth]

gauss and grendel were friends and collaborated frequently, alluded to in both of their leverians

[lean garden]

not then tho

[abstract mantle]

How do you get this

The little computer?

[copper mountain]

Dante was also at least somewhat aware of the others, if only to be confused as to why their misbehavior got him marked for death
Kullervo was jealous... I think? Most of his lore deals with his relationship with his creators rather than "siblings".

[hollow trench]

Did umbra know anyone or was it just too late

[dire mountain]

Have you united Flare with Lizzie

[abstract mantle]

No

[strange plinth]

good ending w/ flare in KIM, yes

[abstract mantle]

Thanks

That’s a interesting twist of timelines

[dire mountain]

You'll also get Lizzie as a shawzin

[old wharf]

I just started the new war and isn't the hollow husk that's sitting in our OPERATOR room the lotus?

im a bit dumb on the lore

[strange plinth]

yes, only her hand is solid

[hollow trench]

Dante must have been like man these guys can’t catch a break

[old wharf]

That's the baddest verson of her.

[thick yacht]

Roathe said Nitokh was worse than Ballas

[dire mountain]

Wouldn't this be their Operators though? Since it's after the collapse

[hollow trench]

It’d be like a pet tho too right?

[copper mountain]

That is Natah's eidolon, regrown starfish-style from her severed hand that fell into Duviri. So yes it's the Lotus since she and Natah are the same entity.

[strange plinth]

most likely, yes
but its the only real characterization we get

[old wharf]

The hollow husk version of the lotus is the best.

[pine orchid]

do yall think it's possible that some of the later autonomous frames have operators stuck in them?

[old wharf]

chicken buts.

[hollow trench]

Harrow had rell merge with it

[pine orchid]

well we know Rell willingly bound himself in Harrow

but I mean, in relation to the smth that can trap the tenno in their warframes

[strange plinth]

probably not, that seemed to be an isolated incident that was covered up
and we can't have victims running around after a cover up, they might tell

[thick yacht]

Tbh from what I see

[hollow trench]

The ascaris

[thick yacht]

Roathe seems to be disgusted with what his people became

[hollow trench]

They used it to control frames

[lean garden]

very

I will unironically say that he could have been the best of the orokin

[pine orchid]

but what if the ones who inflicted it died before they could finish the job?

[hollow trench]

Mirage limbo are possible candidates?

Mirage dies on the battlefield

[lean garden]

mirage dies in origin

[thick yacht]

Arthur might have a run for his money for the very first time if Roathe is able to be romanced ngl

[hollow trench]

Ye in the origin system she dies but it’s on the battlefield

Where? Idk

[dire mountain]

We've known since they got revealed they would be

[thick yacht]

So sorry Arthur so sorry

No hard feelings

[fast dew]

You can date both, if you want

And there's consent conversations about it

So even better. Which i do feel was added after that announcement but yk

[thick yacht]

Arthur of all people would tolerate that?

[fast dew]

Im more shocked Lettie does.

She has a line directly against it

[ashen pulsar]

it would be really funny if we could set up a group chat with our dates

but that would be a lot

but the characters are very different, I wonder how they'd act

[pine orchid]

even if they consent I cant do that to my boy Arthur qwq

[thick yacht]

I would break up with Arthur but the thing is if you end things with him IIRC you have to wipe at the end of the year and go back up to max liking with him in order to have a relationship again

And I’m good on doing all that

🗿

[fast dew]

Shit you not i romanced arthur before Eleanor right? And Eleanor had a line asking if Arthur was in there before her cuz there's sword marks on the floor 😭

[strange plinth]

if i were to say which ones would and wouldn't, Quincy and Lettie strike me as people that wouldn't be okay with it,
Arthur, Aoi, and Amir are 50/50. i can't decide where they'd be
my point towards Eleanor being okay with it is used in her consent convo lmao
the way it was handled is alright, mostly. wish there was more variation in the drifter's dialogue in the consent convos, but its fine. the responses still feel mostly in character
i don't have a good enough read on the triad yet to say where they'd place

[fast dew]

That scared the hell out of me

[strange plinth]

yea that is an interesting line
it isn't tied to dating arthur, though, because i romanced eleanor before arthur
which arguably has a weirder interpretation??

what's he doin in there

[fast dew]

Eleanor feels like she'd be more than fine with it 😭

[pine orchid]

I mean... we have a sword, we have Nikanas

[fast dew]

He helped Albrecht move in or some shit

[pine orchid]

I didn't romance Eleanor so idk her KIM messages but I feel like there's an easy explanation to sword marks on our floor gestures at our entire Arsenal

[thick yacht]

Tbh Arthur could go either way, Roathe probably doesn’t care at all he’s literally an Orokin I’m pretty sure he’s done worse than be in a consensual polyamorous relationship, especially considering his last lover (Nitokh) according to him was bloodthirsty and violent as hell and even quicker to set off

[pine orchid]

though tbf, Arthur does do his spinny sword thing a lot

[thick yacht]

So maybe it’ll work?

[fast dew]

We should give Lyon an energy drink

[strange plinth]

he'd explode i think

[fast dew]

Give him a monster and see him explode

[thick yacht]

Only thing with Roathe is his hairstyle is a bit… lacking

[fast dew]

He'll be fine. Its a loop, he'll live

[thick yacht]

He’s a high ranking Orokin i expected something a bit grander

Even my operator has a more intricate hairstyle

[fast dew]

Its a lattice braid, which is apparently really hard

But ive only seen it on horses

So maybe i can't say much

[pine orchid]

please do not the lyon 😩

he's already dealing with a lot

[fast dew]

Ima give loid a monster and see if his old ass heart will give up from it

[pine orchid]

also I can't remember, did we have confirmation that Lyon is not the Harrow that eventually partners with Rell?

[ashen pulsar]

yeah no

[strange plinth]

would be a hell of a long time for him to survive if he is

[hollow trench]

Wait

Stalkers baby, is it a Warframe?

[thick yacht]

Roathe would probably chug monster

[ashen pulsar]

that would be weird, probably not

[strange plinth]

yea prolly
weird little guy

[hollow trench]

wtf do u feed it

[ashen pulsar]

but its the first of its kind

[thick yacht]

Either that or call it slop and chuck the can

Can’t be too sure with those Orokin types

[ashen pulsar]

nothing, most likely

[fast dew]

Albrecht definitely does, he somehow survives 5 cans a day

[ashen pulsar]

helminth feeds it

[pine orchid]

I mean he's a warframe, Flare got to the night of the naga drums from 1999 too
but I can't remember if we had confirmation otherwise

[strange plinth]

flare had a comet

[hollow trench]

Harrow could end up buried somewhere

Rell finds him

[strange plinth]

albrecht has a coffee machine in the netracells you cannot convince me that he isn't addicted to caffeine at some point

[thick yacht]

Is it ever said if Roathe actually lived through the Night or did Albrecht get to him before the fall

[pine orchid]

and lyon arrived via timespace portal thing, he could do smth like that again?

[thick yacht]

I feel like his proximity to Nitokh would’ve meant he would’ve been high on the Tenno kill list

Devil of Tau and all that

[hollow trench]

Lyon would keep Wally at bay. He seems like the type of guy to do it

[fast dew]

Definitely. 5 cans of monster, illegally high caffeine patches, the entire coffee pot and then some.

Does it to avoid sleep methinks

[pine orchid]

I wonder if maybe, Margulis didn't cast Rell out so much as dropped him off so he wouldn't have to go to Tenno school bcs school is hard for him

[hollow trench]

With this talk of how bad nitokh is idk if I wanna know.

Like what’s worst than ballas?

[hollow trench]

Rell would have needed a special ed class and the orokin would have been like phhh some gtfo

[thick yacht]

According to Roathe, while Ballas was bad he was the Machiavellian type bad. The sit and wait for centuries plotting type bad, Nitokh apparently was just easy to set off and violent as well

While Ballas is bad he doesn’t seem extremely bloodthirsty

[hollow trench]

So nitokh burned orphanages and kicked puppies

[lean garden]

If Roathe wasnt spirited away by Albrecht, Nitokh might have ended the current orokin empire earlier

[pine orchid]

I'm guessing Nitokh might be like red queen of hearts bad(?)

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS

[thick yacht]

She was also trying to coup the other six executors and assume full control

[hollow trench]

Like the one bald chick from Deadpool and Wolverine

[thick yacht]

Nitokh seemed unhinged as hell

Even for an Orokin

[hollow trench]

Fingers crossed we get to see a debut of her

[fast dew]

I fw her heavy tho

I too know the feeling of living in the shadows of my siblings

[bright temple]

assuming she’s alive

[hollow trench]

I hope we get to play the moment that the Tenno just slaughtered everyone

[hollow trench]

Like a memory

[thick yacht]

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was either the Executor sacked in favor of Nihil because of her actions and trying to coup the Empire, or was killed on the Night of the Naga Drums itself

[ashen pulsar]

naga drums flashback quest?

[hollow trench]

I’d be for it 100%

[thick yacht]

Through a coup?

[lean garden]

through a coup

[ashen pulsar]

we need more naga drums info definitely

but didn't nitokh lose her position before that

[pine orchid]

I wonder if it is possible though, because we were led by Lotus and in the Erra flashback it looked like we (and like 3 other Tenno) were in a trance

[lean garden]

like spoilers for roathe ||he is spirited away the moment before the coup was supposed to start||

[hollow trench]

And the moment ordis is cephalond

The bits and pieces we have now are great but I do want more

Also want to play more of the zariman, like right after making the deal with Wally.

See how bad it really gets

[fast dew]

||Albrecht shoving his body into the mouth of a helminth is such a funny idea||

.... how did Albrecht get over if he did it after the events of 1999?

[pine orchid]

||I elect to believe Helminth slurped him up like it does Kavats, but that's also rlly funny 😂||

[fast dew]

Did ||he crawl through a helminth????||

[thick yacht]

🗿 this woman is damn crazy as hell

[hollow trench]

Feed me Seymore!

[fast dew]

Yeah no she's insane

[hollow trench]

Is that nitokh?

[pine orchid]

I wish our Helminth can speak like Lizzie, I love Lizzie's lines

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/feed-little-shop-of-horrors-gif-18994555

[ashen pulsar]

"I'm bored, roathe. Let's kill the other orokin and take control"

[thick yacht]

😭

[hollow trench]

I named my helminth Audrey 2 😭

[thick yacht]

Even Ballas didn’t do ts until long after most of the Orokin were long dead

[hollow trench]

Makes u think

What if Wally was playing with her brain

[fast dew]

Executor Nitokh :)

[thick yacht]

You’d think BALLAS of all people would be a bit alarmed by her

[spiral orchid]

is adis a boy or a girl?

[fast dew]

A boy

Just a young one

[hollow trench]

Okay yeah she’s insane

[fast dew]

Just a child.

[hollow trench]

Rip adis

[thick yacht]

Need this fit for my drifter

[spiral orchid]

what the name of the big fat one

[thick yacht]

Gonna give Roathe some wild memories

[thick yacht]

Karishh

[fast dew]

I feel like she'd stab me in the eyes me with those long fingernails

[strange plinth]

karishh

[ashen pulsar]

playing both sides

[spiral orchid]

reminded me of smough lowk

[fast dew]

Yeah, Karrish

[thick yacht]

Unironically Nitokh scares me because she reminds me of one of my own crazy as hell exes 🙏 🥀

[lean garden]

yknow what roathe? Not my cuppa but I see what youre going for

[hollow trench]

What I do know is that male orokin have a predominantly longer arm and women were more symmetrical

[hollow trench]

I wouldn’t be surprised

[ashen pulsar]

I can kinda see what roathe saw

[fast dew]

Nah, the arms are just as long, in fact, its only been male orokin who haven't had a long arm

[ashen pulsar]

I can fix her

[hollow trench]

The more u know

[fast dew]

The arms are just at angles

[thick yacht]

Imagine looking like this and thinking this is tough 🥀

No one is scared of you bro

[fast dew]

Unfortunately it kinda is

[thick yacht]

I just know his ass was killed because he couldn’t run away fast enough

[spiral orchid]

my dune my arrakis ts

[thick yacht]

How the hell did he escape

[ashen pulsar]

he couldve transfered too

this was a conscious decision

[hollow trench]

After albrecht started messing with void gates all
Bets are off

[fast dew]

He did die

[ashen pulsar]

speaking of wally

[hollow trench]

Do we know how

[fast dew]

I think it was....not voruna, that was Tuvul

[strange plinth]

he had 12 exosacs grafted to him
it was fully conscious

[strange plinth]

the other consumer,,

[lean garden]

grendel

[hollow trench]

That’s beautiful

[pine orchid]

grendel ate karishh

[thick yacht]

My guess is this is Avantus

[ashen pulsar]

are we being possessed by him when we scream "rap tap tap little piggy, you'll let me in!"

[pine orchid]

what is that thing avantus is hplding

[strange plinth]

more letting the voices go than being possessed

[fast dew]

God she is so pretty

[hollow trench]

Maybe?

That’s also a point we lost a friend and just had enough

[ashen pulsar]

and is he alr in rell's head at this point?

[spiral orchid]

only took almost 10 years but we've just seen a glimpse of the seven why are they still edging the story this hard

[pine orchid]

I was staring at the lil stick thing in her hand for so long but I still couldn't figure it out until I realized I was upskirting her

[fast dew]

All executors seem to have a staff thing of sorts. Or swords (Nihil and Ballas)

[ashen pulsar]

also an orokin, not a great idea man

[hollow trench]

Rell held him back so there’s a hot chance he was being real hard on rell

[fast dew]

I can fix her trust me

[hollow trench]

That’s crazy

[fast dew]

I am a lover when needed.

[hollow trench]

Get that jade light 3000

[fast dew]

I say as im repulsed by the very idea

[thick yacht]

Unironically PLEASE give us some Orokin drip for drifter at least. I can understand not giving it to operator for some of them in order to avoid weirdness but cmon now drifter can get some love

[ashen pulsar]

also did margulis really pull a "I can fix him"

[thick yacht]

Let me look like the executors I slaughtered damnit

[fast dew]

Id flirt w Nihil and I'd get glassed IMMEDIATELY

[hollow trench]

She war on my frame

[fast dew]

No, not even glassed

Just stabbed to death

[ashen pulsar]

recompensed

[hollow trench]

Better than being a cephalon

[fast dew]

Nah, cuz id still be able to hit on Nihil

[hollow trench]

Diabolical

[fast dew]

I shrimply deserved death

[hollow trench]

I want a night of the naga drums mission now

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[hollow trench]

Shrimp frame when

What food did the Tenno like

Does

[strange plinth]

cube

[pine orchid]

cube

[hollow trench]

😂😭

[pine orchid]

tasty tasty nutrition cubes

[hollow trench]

Like did they use seasoning

[pine orchid]

I think there was a line about Arthur cooking us a proper meal so... maybe not?

it's food for the peasants why would they give that much effort to make it delicious

[hollow trench]

Fair point

[spice jewel]

Don’t even think about mentioning the ||square spaghetti||

[hollow trench]

LMAOOOOO

[pine orchid]

you mean a lasagna? Xd

[thick yacht]

Actually, were the Tenno considered peasants by the Orokin still even after the incident

[hollow trench]

I remember that convo w Arthur about the squares

Cubes*

[spice jewel]

Incident? You mean the zariman jump?

[pine orchid]

weeeell after Naga Drums they're probably considered devils, but we only rlly have Ballas as a sample

[thick yacht]

Yes

[strange plinth]

nah he calls us devils before then

[hollow trench]

Orokin hate kids

[pine orchid]

I'd say so, anyone not Orokin are peasants to serve the Orokin

[spice jewel]

Ah ok, well idk about that other than them being scared of us having void powers

[strange plinth]

-# Zariman Nutrition Brick (Protein) - A brick of nutritious protein.
-# Zariman Nutrition Cube (Carbohydrate) - An energy-dense carbohydrate food cube.
-# Zariman Nutrition Cube (Fat) - A collection of healthy fats comprise this nutrition cube.
-# Zariman Nutrition Cube (Fiber) - A fiber-rich cube of food substance.
-# Zariman Nutrition Cube (Vitamins) - A collection of essential vitamins and nutrients in one, easy-to-digest nutitional cube.
no prolly not

[hollow trench]

So nutrition loaf but future

What did the orokin eat

Endangered species?

[thick yacht]

Probably tbh

[hollow trench]

Did it for the love of the game 😭

Nitokh said the puppies and orphans weren’t enough

[fast dew]

No. Need veal and other meats from baby animals

[pine orchid]

OHMYGOD THAT WAS FAST HAHSKSHSKAHAO

[strange plinth]

it was there the day of lol

[hollow trench]

Do Warframes have organs? Bones? Like xaku has a skeleton but can it be called that

[pine orchid]

that was like a bit more than ystd for me XD I love it

[fast dew]

Mhm. Though, no clue on how functional those orhans are

[pine orchid]

think it was mentioned they're vestigial?

[strange plinth]

there's a vitruvian quote about this one moment

[fast dew]

Orhans

[strange plinth]

orhans

[fast dew]

I can spell

[pine orchid]

orphans? Xd

[hollow trench]

Xd

[fast dew]

Orhans...orphans... or jams...

[pine orchid]

Nitokh probably ate some orphans here n there

[strange plinth]

"... but only just. Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience."

[fast dew]

Orphans with jam!

I need to stop.

[hollow trench]

That makes sense but if you just took a chunk off mag is it growing back?

[fast dew]

Yeah

[hollow trench]

Hm

[strange plinth]

see: umbra ripping off a piece of his face and then reforming it after his point is made

[fast dew]

Usually you need helminth for that

Hmm.

[pine orchid]

I wanna see helminth with a lil nurse hat

[hollow trench]

Umbra is a person idk if it’s different from say making a Warframe on the orbiter from scratch

[strange plinth]

wouldn't be from scratch
the only difference between the umbra we build and other frames is that umbra came from a scan, the others were blueprints

[spice jewel]

||loid regretting his decision taking the operator to lotus’s bath water||

[fast dew]

No thats this one

[spice jewel]

Even better

[pine orchid]

not the lotus bath water

[waxen mesa]

what is the biggest copium take in warframe lore discussions?

My vote is that Minn can be saved. Sorry Tagfer fans, Minn is long dead from void exposure.

[hollow trench]

I say scratch as in you aren’t necessarily kidnapping someone and then infesting them

Umbra being from a scan is different from blueprints

But blue prints won’t have like human features if that makes sense unless they do?

[pine orchid]

space mom bath water

[fast dew]

My biggest one is that Albrecht will be okay and he and Loid will be happy.

[spice jewel]

Not killing ballas sooner…? Or we can take him to duviri and slam our first again and again

[fast dew]

If Albrecht does die, I'll just delude myself into thinking it was wally-Albrecht who died

[craggy spade]

any hope of this game not being grimdark for half a second

[pine orchid]

currently my biggest copium is that we'll find Adis' grave empty when we get there

[fast dew]

Albrecht has a empty grave..

[hollow trench]

Grave robbing

[pine orchid]

N O 😭

[craggy spade]

PLEASE. maybe with the mask there and a small engraving in voidtingue that translates to "im okay"

[hollow trench]

That’s honestly worse

Wally puppeting adises body around

I’d be speechless

[pine orchid]

considering Adis speaks Sentient and not void, that does sound worse Im sorry 😭

[craggy spade]

AORRY BRAIN EXPLODED I MEANT SENTIENT

[hollow trench]

Id honestly die a little

Like don’t use my friends corpse to make my day worse

[craggy spade]

I MEANT SENTIENT

[hollow trench]

But I can see it happening

[near compass]

what I want to know, did we inspire Wally to Rap tap tap, or did Wally inspire us

[pine orchid]

HIS LIGHT IS WITH US BUT MAYBE THAT JUST MEANS HE DOESNT HAVE HIS HEALY MAGIC

[craggy spade]

wally did it first by tappoing on the glass of the zariman

[pine orchid]

I believe Wally inspired us, Rell also has the rap tap tap, and yeah the tapping on zariman window

[spice jewel]

Hopefully tau will be huge next year, we only got one slice of the cake this update

[craggy spade]

RAP TAP TAP IS A LITERAL STATEMENT THIS WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE AUTISM SQUAD (rell)

[hollow trench]

I’m of the belief that Wally after making the deal gave us a time frame to pay him back and the longer we wait the more he taunts and what not

[fast dew]

Im rellmaxxing

[near compass]

heh rellmaxxing

now I want one of those gigachad memes but it is rell

[fast dew]

Autismmaxxing out here with rell

[pine orchid]

I love Rell I wish we could've been friends with Rell

when I found out about him in his quest he didn't scare me anymore I just felt sad for him qwq

[near compass]

yeah our player operator probably was not able to be friends due to being in Tau. At least that is a head canon now that the old peace is done

[hollow trench]

What does our whole ship look like in the game like not just the small loading screen ship

[pine orchid]

you can kinda see part of it in Drifter's camp iirc

[strange plinth]

we were both on the zariman for a while

[near compass]

yeah but crazy parents, and all that..........

[pine orchid]

and I think the Orbiter in the earth nav is shaped the same?

[craggy spade]

the orbiter and the landing craft are different structures

[hollow trench]

I know it’s big or bigger than the rail jack

[pine orchid]

maybe before the crazy parents thing?

[craggy spade]

the orbiter is out larger structure and the landign craft is the little guy

[near compass]

shrugs

[near compass]

the landing craft is the area with nav, market and quest thingy

the one with the ramp

[craggy spade]

its 99% storage space lol

[hollow trench]

Lmao 😂

[spice jewel]

Yeah I have no idea who came up with that design

[hollow trench]

The space box van

And the railjack is our sports car

[craggy spade]

jeff ross, evidently

[spice jewel]

A sports car with heavy armaments

[hollow trench]

K.i.t

[spice jewel]

Come to think of it, we literally own three spaceships

[hollow trench]

And a jet pack

[craggy spade]

space WARships

[hollow trench]

That straps to your hip

[proper barn]

We Kinda see it at the camp.

[spice jewel]

Well the landing craft is a stealth ship, orbiter’s more of a mobile command center and the railjack is our battleship

[strange plinth]

i mean, landing craft is a landing craft
its kinda part of the orbiter more than it is separate

[craggy spade]

they all serve warfare purposes. you wouldnt say an sr-71 isnt a militaristic aircraft because its stealth and not gun

hell, loki exists and hes a warframe despite being stealth and not kaboom

[spice jewel]

Ok you got me there

[thick yacht]

So the orbiter is large

[thick cedar]

Were there Jade Eximus in Old Peace?

[craggy spade]

no, jade was still alive so her energy didnt do the funny thjing that created jade eximi if im correct with my lore

[thick cedar]

And yet
1999 has jade eximus

[craggy spade]

dont question it

maybe plot hole who knows

[civic forum]

Was it ever explained why uriel was strung up like that before we freed him on perita?

All i remember is adis being vague about it

[pine orchid]

they were being a lil menace so they got put in timeout

/j Xd

[brittle siren]

sorry I'm not meant to tag you

[craggy spade]

LMAO haha but yea theu changed it recently

[brittle siren]

wait, you can replay Heart of Deimos now?????

vor's prize still the same

zariman too

I want to replay New war but because I can't cancel it midway, so maybe not

[marsh scroll]

Why does everyone call the man in the wall wally btw is it just that the community named him that way xd?

[next mica]

wall->wally 😄 not much more, that was before we knew its actual name I believe

[marsh scroll]

Jeah i just was like vecause i have no clue who wener herzhog is i was like ok old man i guess xD

But then like they he is gonna voice wally and i was thinking of...

https://tenor.com/view/wall-e-waving-hi-hello-pixar-gif-13419445619151660415

Walle... XD

[stray flare]

I wonder how many people realise that tenno schools are just five chinese elements

Madurai-Fire
Vazarin-Water
Naramon-Wood
Unairu-Earth
Zenurik-Metal

[dark compass]

I know it because I played team ninja games

[abstract mantle]

Eternalism.

https://tenor.com/view/samson-en-gert-walter-de-donder-burgemeester-done-hands-gif-21596052

Another day saved

[hazy prism]

Btw, can someone explain if Itzam sold us out to Ballas or something, or was Itzam genuinely chill with us but got murked anyways

[pale cedar]

No, Ballas just used us

[hazy prism]

Itzam was a real one, kind of sad now

[thick yacht]

Ballas probably wasn’t even the worst of the Orokin

Nitokh is making a run for that title now

[stray flare]

He did not sold us out, Itzam was a loose end that Ballas had to tidy out. He did not sold us out, he simply was a witness that could destroy the whole operation for Ballas( if other seven lerned of hos trechery, they coild overrule him and reinstate the peace)

[thick yacht]

Nitokh and Ballas were on the same side

Nitokh was just blatant

[stray flare]

I mean, all 7 were bastards fighting between eachother for power. Ballas maybe was not the same tier as the rest, but to be one of the seven, you gotta be an ashole and a half

Also, reminder of all his atrocities connected to warframe creation

[thick yacht]

As bad as Ballas was, he wasn’t absolutely unhinged until the very end when his Empire was falling apart and both Operator/Drifter and Natah were gunning for his head

He was basically trapped on Praghasa with no way out

[stray flare]

Tuvuul also was a bastard, pulling a plug on zarmian lroject despite its potential

[pale cedar]

When Uriel was saying that he meant during Orokin era and says with the Narmer stuff he's definitely moved himself up on the worst

[hazy prism]

Imo Roathe saying Nitokh was the worst feels biased since he was so personally tied to Nitokh

[thick yacht]

Ballas is still the worst in terms of direct actions we can tie him too but up until this update we’ve never had another Orokin actually make a run for the title

Nitokh is SPRINTING however

[stray flare]

Roathe first and foremost is unrelaibale narrator af. He did not knew of contact between Ballas and Sentients

[thick yacht]

Yes he does

[stray flare]

Really?

[thick yacht]

He uses the POM-2 that has all the files on it

He would know about Ballas and Hunhow

Hell he knows about Narmer

[stray flare]

They all are using Pom-2? Sorry, I was not sure they did ._.

[thick yacht]

The one right next to Loid

It had all the files on it

[stray flare]

I KNOW WHICH ONE IS POM 2

I though they had their own Kim-phone-thingies

[pale cedar]

They also use Pom 2 to contact us

Most likely the same one

[stray flare]

Oh

[thick yacht]

I assume it has to be that one because I doubt he was around for the whole Narmer debacle and if he was I doubt Ballas would be calling himself “the last of my kind” if he knew, though Ballas is a pretentious shit so he probably would regardless