spoiler-chat

[cerulean kiln]

Wally has better Void powers than us

[shadow forum]

Damn he surely has,but he is weak on love how is that possible.

[cerulean kiln]

Love is the opposite of Indifference

[gilded sierra]

So is hatred tho

Hatred is closer to love than of indifference

but then again if hatred had been mentionned this entire thing about relationships would be irrelevant

[cerulean kiln]

Not in Warframe it isn't

[ionic cloak]

hatred is the opposite of passion
Indifference that is the opposite of Love
Change my mind
|| don't||

[quick smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[steep totem]

I see it more as a sort of triangle
But I see your point

[livid glen]

I see it more of a "set".

So hate is the opposite of love, while Indifference is the opposite of the "set" of emotions - encompassing love, hate, happiness, ect.

To take numbers as an example

The opposite of 1 is -1

But also 0 (I.e. nothingness)

Every number has it's negative as an opposite

And 0

[patent remnant]

as a math major i hate that i agree lol

[eternal flume]

Isn’t that the other way around?

Hatred can be passionate

Can’t be indifferent tho

[zenith jacinth]

Enemies to lovers

[eternal flume]

Or just the most hateful enemies you’ve ever seen

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-hatred-and-pure-spite-gif-25976979

[zenith jacinth]

Morgott

[zenith jacinth]

I am currently consumed by hatred for silksong so yes, do normalize it

[balmy storm]

Why?
Too hard?

[zenith jacinth]

Check other games channel for the lore

[balmy storm]

Oop ok

Rip scrap

[shadow forum]

1 question, how long sword will be in old peace that tenno spawns.

[sullen comet]

The void itself uses emotions to control reality, so it makes sense the Indifference thrives on negativity.
hate, mistrust, sadness, fear, uncertainty
Fear of the kids on the Zariman
Ballas’ hatred towards the Tenno and his perception of Margulis’ misguided love
Loid towards his brewing angst towards Albrecht in WitW
1999 crew falling apart before the new year, and us being taunted about how they all die
Breaking into Duviri for Isleweaver

The drifter and operator both now act for mending the rifts caused by Albrecht, the void, the old war and 1999

P much we are damage control

[obtuse gyro]

To be exact, the void doesnt exactly control reality, any more than a 3D printer controls the room its in

[sullen comet]

I mean like bending it to conform to the desired outcome

Void magic fun

duviri is a whole reality created in the void as well

A pocket dimension of sorts

Similar to the Zariman now

Eugh my head hurts I need TOP ):

[obtuse gyro]

woah there it aint even ahamkara magic

all it really does is produce something additional it dont really twist reality's gonads

[sullen comet]

mmmm ahamkara magic

[rain otter]

I wouldn't say it's emotions to control reality.

I would more say the void when exposed to extreme emotion reacts to it.

[rain otter]

Duviri only exists cuz of Drifter. But we know of other void pockets as well. Parvos' and Wallys that is invading The sanctum.

[sullen comet]

my main thought is that it controls a lot of “time” aspects pretty clearly, which can warp reality. Doesn’t really help when all the bits are thrown about

Parvos is a pocket in the void, but it’s also frozen in time
The Zariman just kinda appears in and out of the timeline whenever it wants to I guess
Duviri is a spiral that lead thru TNW, and 1999 turned into a time loop

As long as there’s something to hold onto, the void can rip it apart or mend it back together

[rain otter]

The void isn't a thing.

[sullen comet]

https://tenor.com/view/sped-up-slay-walking-cute-cat-gif-4561121561587275542

[winged obsidian]

I guess the Void was never real. That means if our Operator doesn’t believe Wally is real then we defeat him

[cerulean kiln]

Lotus tried that and it didn't work

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, I know lol. It would be funny if everyone collectively just went “nah, you’re fake” to Wally

[sullen comet]

lotus fr was like “you didn’t see that right?” And then like.. 2 months later was like “bro is talking to me and I gotta listen to that freak” 😭

[winged obsidian]

She went from “nah, it’s just Void messing up your head” to “I can hear the walls rap tap tap”

[shadow forum]

So albreht cut his finger

It was all because of 1 finger lol

[zenith jacinth]

albrecht cut off multiple of wally's fingers by accident

which makes wally significantly weaker

[crude stone]

So um just a question but wasn't it impossible to get duplicate ephemera's while hunting the technocyte coda's? I spawned this technocyte coda today and it got the pins and needles ephemera reward but I already have that.

So i wanted to double check if it was a bug or not

[cerulean kiln]

It is possible to have a Coda with an ephemera you already own

[crude stone]

Okay thank u for responding

I guess I am just unlucky then

[winged obsidian]

No, it was only one finger that got cut off. The other fingers are clones of the og finger

It was mentioned at the walls during WitW

[zenith jacinth]

multiple were cut off

"its severed digits"

[cerulean kiln]

Albrecht says didgits
Yonta says originals

[covert tree]

How did he cut off multiple if wally is only missing one

Im assuming theres an obvious explanation

[cerulean kiln]

He went finger collecting

When Yonta says originals she says as long as they are sealed away but doesn't say they are still sealed away

[real niche]

I always figured the "one" finger that Wally had chopped off somehow split into multiple in physical space

[cerulean kiln]

Could be

[winged obsidian]

Ok, then most likely I’m remembering Yonta. I’m gonna need to replay these quests lol

Because I’m going off what I remember playing through the quests plus with Wally there is alot of imagery of that one particular finger being more important than multiple in Isleweaver

[cerulean kiln]

Because he wants the final finger

He's collected the others

[quick smelt]

A final boss that wants all his fingers back to reach full power
Sounds familiar

[winged obsidian]

Wally just needs to complete his finger collection.

I do wonder why he wants the book so bad tho. I wonder if the Grimoire has something to do with the location for it or something because I did remember Wally wanted it and even said to Operator that would count part of our side of the bargain

[tight pagoda]

A single finger missing is probably a metaphor for something. Like a rejected deal or whatever.

[real niche]

Or it's just flat out a cut off finger. Albrecht was scared brown when Wally reached his hand and cut the suckers off

[balmy storm]

I think Albrecht would have mentioned the deal

[tight pagoda]

Maybe he didn't know it was a deal

[balmy storm]

I mean maybe

I think whether or not it was a deal is kinda irrelevant, Albrecht didn’t accept it and Wally’s hatred for him in the Orokin come from them utilizing Wally’s power without his permission
So I’m not really sure what that would add if that was the context from Wally’s perspective

[molten talon]

Is it the 10th yet, I wanna farm forma

Opps

[balmy storm]

No

3 days

[vocal frost]

I'm asking here because I don't know how spoiler-y it really is, but for the Gemini emotes, they take away your fashion for the other form, as well as not showing up on other people's POV. I don't know if there's a bug report section in game so I figured I'd do it here.

[hearty pendant]

the gemini emote will use the first "opposite" appearance slot
if Slot A is the regular frame, it'll try to use Slot B, then Slot C, etc. as the proto. if it doesn't find one, it'll be default. vice versa as well
gemini emotes don't swap forms for other people in relays/hubs/dojos/etc. but should swap in-mission afaik
also, there's a link in #support-and-bugs to report bugs, but i don't think this is one, unless the emote isn't working in missions either

[vocal frost]

Ohhhhh

No this was mainly not knowing how the emote FULLY worked

Thanks so much! Works flawlessly!

[torn verge]

is this the "best ending" wheel?

[zenith jacinth]

There's no good or bad wheel results

"Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready."

Basically you're an action anime protag

[torn verge]

isnt it based on white/dark choices?

[opaque dove]

I’m a largely neutral choice maker

[zenith jacinth]

Sun and moon

[opaque dove]

Lua, Sol and Terra

[torn verge]

oh ok

[opaque dove]

Moon, Sun and Earth

[zenith jacinth]

Sun acts without thinking, moon is calculating, the middle is an inbetween

[rain otter]

Ying and Yang

Neither good nor bad.

[zenith jacinth]

Eh not exactly yin yang

[torn verge]

is it the all choices sun wheel then?

[zenith jacinth]

?

[rain otter]

What?

[opaque dove]

Huh

[rain otter]

You just have mostly made Sol Choices.

That's why it looks like that.

[torn verge]

idk im just wondering if this is the final form of all choices white, its not my wheel tho

[zenith jacinth]

That pfp ain't gael

[zenith jacinth]

Probably

[opaque dove]

I know

[rain otter]

Not necessarily all

But mostly.

[opaque dove]

Said I ain’t beat Gael on a different server, I however have fought along Igon, so I’m igon on that server and Gael everywhere else

[torn verge]

does it look different with all choices white?

[zenith jacinth]

It seems to be just the tiniest bit tilted to moon by like 1 pixel

[zenith jacinth]

No

[rain otter]

Not really. Actually this is probably all white choices it's just you can have it look like that with 1 or 2 Netural or black choices.

[torn verge]

can u remake the choices?

[rain otter]

Eh

Not really.

But also none of the choices "Matter" TM.

[cerulean kiln]

Replaying a quest picking other options won't change it

[torn verge]

ik it only a cosmetic on your profile

[zenith jacinth]

No

[torn verge]

pretty sad tho

[zenith jacinth]

Why

I haven't felt like I want to change any of my choices so far

[cerulean kiln]

Why? You can still change it by picking other options in later quests

[torn verge]

i mean if it doesnt have a real role in gamee, i think it doesn't hurt to let people change their choices

[cerulean kiln]

It not having a real role in game is why you can't change it

[zenith jacinth]

There's no reason to allow it either

[torn verge]

customisation reason tbh

[zenith jacinth]

How often do you look at the dial

[torn verge]

i like to look at everyones dial XD

even in missions XD

[cerulean kiln]

Only reason I can even think of to actually change it is getting other Helminth dialogue

[zenith jacinth]

You're the only one then

[torn verge]

LOL

[cerulean kiln]

How often do you actually look at your dial?

[torn verge]

3-4 times a day XD

even more, depends how much i play

[zenith jacinth]

You're weird

[torn verge]

its fun to see what choices did people make on the story

[cerulean kiln]

DE don't give change choice because most people don't really care about it

It doesn't actually show peoples choices fully because some haven't done later quests

[torn verge]

ik, u can see that by how the wheel looks

it has different patterns on it

[zenith jacinth]

The pattern only changes based on how it's tilted either way, not based on progression

[torn verge]

im pretty sure it does. Its based on the quest progression

[zenith jacinth]

It's really not

[sullen comet]

I always choose the middle one bc aesthetic lol

[winged obsidian]

I mostly chose the middle one because I related it to the most. A lot of it was something I would’ve done on most cases

[zenith jacinth]

I choose a bit of everything and so far ended up with an almost perfectly balanced dial

[flint patrol]

HOW DO I GET INTO YOU

[zenith jacinth]

You
Jump
Over the counter

[flint patrol]

I did, it’s still locked

[mild prairie]

can i turn my tenno off shes annoying

[balmy badger]

There's an option called "Operator Voice" in the audio settings that disables their random mission banter if you turn it off.

[mild prairie]

thank youu

[weary gate]

I will never understand why Alad V will be an Orokin . It's impossible. After, he became infested Alad but it's not a survivor of Orokins.

[hearty pendant]

hunhow's just racist, alad is just corpus

[real niche]

"will be an Orokin"
He... won't be. Nor is he one at all.

[weary gate]

Not only Hunhow. Acolyts of Stalker. Generally , Alad is a coward when someone or something is more stronger than him.

With fragments partnership , they have develop amalgams. Half-Corpus, half-sentients. In New War, he submits totally to Narmer ship but not the soldier Corpus who sacrifices himself.

We should have more quests with Frohd Bek, Nef Anyo and a rework for the poor Sergeant.

[hearty pendant]

acolytes directly worked with hunhow, based on a shadow debt email
they could've picked that bit up from him

[weary gate]

But why one say " You're not on security, Tenno " " Our target is the Orokin Alad V""He searchs only profit of you "

So many things hidden. Hope will unveil to the future.

[steep totem]

[real niche]

Because he's old and dumb and doesn't realize "the Orokin", aka the empire that he hates, is all dead and gone anyway

[steep totem]

The Acolytes call Alad an Orokin?

Well, this changes my understanding of those guys

[real niche]

The Acolytes don't

[steep totem]

...
Alright, Imma gonna look up the quotes myself

[real niche]

And it also wouldn't make sense that Stalker, known Orokin simp, would want to be attacking Alad after TSD

This is the only time "Orokin" is mentioned in Shadow Debts

[steep totem]

Okay then

Minor crisis averted

[quick smelt]

Or because Alad V reminds him of the Orokin

[opaque dove]

Veso-R is an Engineer

[frail parcel]

MiL recently started playing, cant wait for her to be traumatized by the Jade Shadow quest

[steep totem]

...would this trauma be something to celebrate?

[frail parcel]

oh, more along the lines that its probably one of the most depressing quest, dark humor in as a need for coping

[steep totem]

Okay
Wasn't sure if you were making a "my in-laws are horrible" joke

[zenith jacinth]

They do. A lot.

[real niche]

???

[zenith jacinth]

Like a third of their SP lines have them talk about "the orokin" just using the tenno

[tight pagoda]

"I see you are still their servants."

I think there's one like "We seek only the Orokin called Alad V" but I can't find that one on the wiki

[frail parcel]

no i like my in laws

[shadow forum]

So in old peace, will we see what Ballas did to the first people in those machine,when they made warframes. Of the high ranking orokins.

[thick jolt]

Most certainly not

[shadow forum]

so only about story between tenno and sentients.

[cerulean kiln]

Yes

It isn’t about the Orokin outside of them sending us there and a peace treaty

[dire crest]

Does anyone know who Hunhow’s VA is?

[limber yew]

Thomas Dixon according to the wiki

[dire crest]

Thank you. I looked at the wiki but must have missed that.

[amber terrace]

It is going to be actually painful if the fungi frame’s acquisition is through Fortuna

[north hamlet]

The mushroom man is playing around at the mushroom forests at the Vallis, apparently

What other place has giant mushrooms

[steep totem]

Deimos, if you think about it

[quick smelt]

Mushroom man clearly buried the blood lady

…
Clearly mushroom man has all the LORE

He’s the Fortuna harbor butcher!

[steep totem]

If there's any connection between the shroom and Garuda, it better come with full Garuda lore

DE promised Garuda lore

[north hamlet]

I'll pay full money to have a Garuda leverian

I'll dump as many credits in the donation box to make Drusus happy

[quick smelt]

The mushroom man clearly has an ability that gives enemies psychic damage

“Can you feel your heart burning? Can you feel the struggle within? The fear within me is beyond anything your soul can make. You cannot kill me in a way that matters.”

[cosmic quiver]

Did I miss something, I know they redid Pluto skyboxes, but I don't remember the red pulsing energy field in the distance.

[thick jolt]

not just pluto
venus also uses that tileset

i forgot when it changed but it was noted in patch notes

pretty sure it was between 1999 and encore

[cosmic quiver]

Like I figured it was something to do with Narmer from the War, but I dunno. I don't go to some tilesets normally.

[balmy storm]

I think it was koumei’s update?

[thick jolt]

Could be

There is a koumei shaped blank in my memory

[amber terrace]

I had a terrible idea for a 1999 mission node: Evacuate. The premise is that there’s a civilian sector that Scaldra is looking to purge and the Hex caught it just in time to evacuate the civilians so the Hex and Drifter can commit mass war crimes. The mission guide would be Kara Antonsdóttir, the Hildryn Protoframe. Gameplay wise, it would function very similarly to Defection with certain units(excluding Dedicants) would carry medical supplies that are to be brought to healing stations to heal civilians

[plush swan]

I think it would be great for the story, but loathed by the playerbase.

[amber terrace]

Most definitely

Idk where else to put a Hildryn Proto ran mission though where it wouldn’t interfere with the character archetype I would want her to have

[tight pagoda]

I think conceptually Defection works but imo the tileset isn't great

[amber terrace]

TL;DR on a Proto Hildryn archetype is “gender bent Icelandic Jorge-052”

[amber terrace]

I specify Icelandic because the text that Hildryn gets her namesake from is Icelandic in origin, or at least that’s what the wiki says

[plush swan]

I don't know who that is

[amber terrace]

Jorge from Halo Reach

I would send a video but Loid doesn’t like it when I send YouTube links

[mystic crystal]

halo reach mentioned ‼️ 🗣️ 🔥

[zenith jacinth]

Do you want people to hate hidryn? Because that's how you make people hate hildryn

[amber terrace]

I don’t know what other mission type would help make my Hildryn Proto’s character archetype shine through more though

Like I hate defection missions

[cerulean kiln]

Isn’t your idea just Defection but in 1999?

[amber terrace]

Pretty much

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah that definitely won’t help ease the Defection hate

[amber terrace]

I just don’t know where else to throw a character who’s primarily defined by the irony of being extremely lethal but also alarmingly compassionate

[zenith jacinth]

It's not like the hex got assigned to missions they fit the most either

[amber terrace]

True

[sullen comet]

They could rework defection around it, like how they messed around w survival and scrubbers

random extraction points since 1999 above ground tilesets are crazy massive, Aoi in the truck waiting for civvies

[jagged zinc]

Does anyone know if the secret dev credit areas give anything?

[steep totem]

Nope

At least the one in Teshin's Cave doesn't

[cerulean kiln]

The end credits

[rancid condor]

Theory: They're called the Drifter for Eurobeat reasons. Multi-plane drifting.

[undone lodge]

They got it after managing to achieve multi-path Kaithe drifting when they were a kid with Thrax

[steep totem]

Iirc, Nora called them Drifter because they never seem to stay in one place

but someday I might want to look back over a New War transcript again

[hasty mesa]

Well this game has a lot of things when you are new to it.

[steep totem]

Region chat
That's normal there

unfortunately

...
Wait, that's not Region, that's QnA!
😭

[hasty mesa]

For some reason I feel like the damage is overrated against enemies and they die too easily.

I know that I am right in the beginning, but... I hope that it will not be like this as we progress.

[steep totem]

Earth has that issue

And no, it won't stay like that as you progress

[hasty mesa]

I took on the girl's personality... I hope it doesn't disappoint me and be boring.

[steep totem]

unless you want it to, in which case that's possible with enough effort

[rain otter]

The who?

[hasty mesa]

The girl's personality... I don't know her name.

[rain otter]

Oh you mean mag?

[hasty mesa]

Maybe... I don't know her name, I didn't focus on that haha She is the only girl who can control strange abilities remotely.

[hasty mesa]

My game pass subscription is over so... I don't have many free games that I like, either I'm done with them or I don't like them. So I'll stick with this game...the game pass is too much for me.

haha

[steep totem]

Well, hope you enjoy Warframe then

[hasty mesa]

this

[steep totem]

That's Mag

[rain otter]

Yes mag.

[hasty mesa]

Are there a lot of characters or am I imagining it?

Or are they just skins

[steep totem]

There are a few warframes available
60-something

[rain otter]

Okay so yes and no. The enemies get harder and you will fight new enemies with new resistances buy you will get better weapons. After earth it's a lot more challenging.

[quick smelt]

Only a couple warframes

[steep totem]

They're not 'characters' exactly
For now, best to think of them as power suits

[quick smelt]

[rain otter]

There are like 80 warframes.(?)

They are a easily farmable no Plat or anything required. @hasty mesa

Do what the game is telling you to do.

[hasty mesa]

Is it strong? Because I see that her picture was placed in the main menu.But it will definitely be difficult for me to get it and I shouldn't think about it now. According to my experience in games haha

[hasty mesa]

ok

[rain otter]

Don't worry about other frames right now.

[hasty mesa]

Oh her shield is weak

[rain otter]

Just level mag.

And your weapons for now.

[hasty mesa]

yes sir ✨

Should I not spend platinum on things that are not worth it؟

like skin haha

[rain otter]

You shouldn't spend Plat on anything right now other than like slots.

[hasty mesa]

Okay, moment I realize I don't know where the main story is but I'll manage haha

Okay thanks everyone.

[rain otter]

Lul.

[rain otter]

You will unlock the quests for it. Actually soon their will be a quest called the teacher to teach people modding a little bit.

[hasty mesa]

At least I like to play better than being in the kitchen haha I agree that women have a high stupidity and deserve to be in the kitchen, but I will try to be different haha

[rain otter]

I don't think that.

Most of us here don't think that.

[hasty mesa]

Well, Arab society is bad and childish, so this is common among us.

[rain otter]

Well your here now and we don't think like that so.

Like also the game your playing one of the main characters is a powerful woman.

[hasty mesa]

A strong, independent woman hahaha

[rain otter]

I mean yeah.

There are also multiple gay characters

Even 1 or 2 trans characters.

[hasty mesa]

I think this has become applicable to most games, even in Resident Evil 9, the main character is a strong-willed girl.

To be honest, I would rather him be a man than a girl.

Like Resident Evil 8 Chris...if you play the game

[rain otter]

I mean that's what a trans man is.

[hasty mesa]

aaaa Now I understand... I told you that we women have high stupidity haha

[rain otter]

I mean so?

[rain otter]

You do not.

Be nicer to yourself.

[rain otter]

Also i think I miscommunicationed to you at some point. But yeah you and women aren't stupid and don't all belong in tbe kitchen. I hope you don't actually think those things you said that would make me sad.

[hasty mesa]

To be honest, I wish there was a kitchen because it would be a comfort for the girl...she cooks for an hour or maybe a little more, and then rests until her husband returns, unlike the male, who goes out in the morning and returns at night tired.

Why would I hate the kitchen? 😂

[rain otter]

Please be trolling please

[hasty mesa]

I didn't understand you well...., but it seems that this topic bothers you a little or that you don't agree with it, so I will be silent.
(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)

[rain otter]

You don't have to hate the kitchen. You can like cooking or even being a stay at home wife or whatever you want. But that doesn't mean all women are stupid or they ALL NEED to be in the kitchen.

[hasty mesa]

oh I get it...yes, of course not all of them are like that

[boreal sandal]

Do what makes you happy as long as it's safe but remember everyone finds happiness in different things if that helps at all (:

[rain dew]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[tight pagoda]

62 next month (probably)

[balmy storm]

Including primes it’s a larger number

[tight pagoda]

107 I think?

But definitely 62 distinctly unique ones

[balmy storm]

Caliban’s 48 so there’s ~48 primes + the 63 we will have by the end of this year
and we may get another prime so nearly 50 primes??

I wanna say there’s 112 total by the end of this year
~49 primes I believe
63 frames
And Umbra

I likely have my math off though
I also don’t feel like counting every prime :p

[cosmic prawn]

Isn't it 64 by the end of the year, or am I misremembering Uriel being No. 64?

[halcyon rose]

No, its gonna be 63 frames with the launch of Uriel at the end of this year

[balmy storm]

We’re at 61 rn
62 is mushroom boi
63 is uriel

[quick smelt]

We’re getting closer to the dreaded number

[undone lodge]

?

Oh 69

[mint sundial]

Yeah 💀

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah true

I wonder what they’ll do for that

[tight pagoda]

Warframe 69: Alan from Marketing
Passive: saps the energy from enemies and teammates alike

1. Crunch numbers — Does nothing, Lotus will occasionally check in to make sure this is active or you get a "slacker" debuff. Getting too many will give you the "fired" debuff which deletes the game
2. Drink coffee — heals 10% and gives 30 energy
3. 9—5: will give you and your team a random number of credits, between 300-900 per hour in the mission. Female Warframes get slightly less due to the glass ceiling and gender pay gap.
   4: Insider trading— reveals all spawned enemies on the map

[undone lodge]

so what you’re saying is that instead we’re finally getting Corpus Veilbreaker, and the gameplay is even more in-depth

[balmy storm]

Vepo!

[undone lodge]

Dude it’s vevo

[cerulean kiln]

Veto

[zenith jacinth]

Teto?

[cerulean kiln]

Vemo?

[undone lodge]

Borealbrain

[marsh girder]

Guys when’s the old peace coming

[cerulean kiln]

December

[zenith jacinth]

soon

[tardy kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-me-up-when-september-ends-gif-18645420

[opaque dove]

Temo?

[azure solar]

"manmade horrors beyond mortal comprehension? you go girl" "um thanks but please no"

[azure solar]

yeah umbra is like the opposite of a prime- poor guy

[zenith jacinth]

nah he's the less cool equivalent of a prime

[cerulean kiln]

Umbra is a Prime in all but name

[zenith jacinth]

and mechanics, the death orbs don't give him energy

[cerulean kiln]

Yeah

[tardy quiver]

too Koumei pls make another one

[echo basalt]

watcha think the fungus amongus will be named? me personally i think they're gonna be name nergal after the irl Mesopotamian(i think) god, not the 40k god or frontman of behemoth

[balmy storm]

No idea tbh, mushrooms are so vast they gave plenty of options tho

Nergal is a bit of a sillier name which could work with the silly teaser we got

[open vault]

Clicky

https://tenor.com/view/tlou-the-last-of-us-joel-ellie-car-gif-27185130

[winged sandal]

Does kaya just stay at larunda after she time travel?

[obtuse gyro]

she heads back sometimes

[cerulean kiln]

She goes back and forth

[winged sandal]

At random?

[hearty pendant]

she'll always be wherever you are, if that's what you mean
lore-wise, she goes back and forth

[winged sandal]

Ah ok thx

[sacred pebble]

You can hear the picture

It still stuck in my head

[mild adder]

IS THAT WARFRAME ON MOBILE-

[sacred pebble]

Ios

No android yet

[steep totem]

Sure, probably could
If I had even seen a freakin Zarium Accolade!
things refuse to show themselves for me

[rain otter]

Untrue.

They always spawn. You just have bad eyes.

[sullen comet]

they have audio chimes if that helps (:

Similar to caches and collectibles around the map

[rain otter]

Use golden instinct or the lights with ghost kids OR the parallax to find them. @steep totem

[sullen comet]

You can hear most of the newer syndicate medallions too

[steep totem]

I play with sound off 90% of the time

[sullen comet]

Awe

[rain otter]

Golden Instinct works to find them.

So does parallax. Like I said.

[steep totem]

Have neither
And the ghosts just lead me to voidplume

[rain otter]

They can literally do both.

[sullen comet]

They r always near melica as well like in a corner room

[steep totem]

I legitimately have never seen a Zarium Accolade, folks

[rain otter]

There are are just more feathers

[steep totem]

I know
They just don't for me for some reason

[rain otter]

Also the ghost like instinct and parallax

Can also find ayatab statues and rare crates.

Also how do you not have a parallax?

[sullen comet]

^^” I don’t even use the ghost kids bc it’s just easier to run around exploding things and listening

[rain otter]

It literally drops like candy in the Zariman.

[sullen comet]

That and zarimam resources are nice to have in abundance

[steep totem]

Easily
I don't play Zariman that often

[rain otter]

Ah see.

There's your problem.

[cerulean kiln]

Just cuz it drops doesn't mean people know to build it

[rain otter]

Zariman is still my favorite update in the game.

[steep totem]

Only recently even got a Parallax part

[rain otter]

Radiant bosses

Easy standing good exploration

[cerulean kiln]

I found Angels a little too short of a quest tbh

[rain otter]

The best arcane in the game

Zariman is great.

[sullen comet]

mine will prob be duviri for a long while,,

[rain otter]

Duviri is good.

[steep totem]

Same-ish

[sullen comet]

At least until we get more tenno (: I love the Tenno

[rain otter]

I just like the Zariman gameplay so much.

[sullen comet]

So excited for TOP

[rain otter]

And them making focus good.

It's great.

[steep totem]

Jade Shadows overtook Duviri (which was a feat in itself, cause I love Duviri)

[rain otter]

Get molt augmented @steep totem

[steep totem]

No thanks

[rain otter]

It goes on every warframe ever.

[opaque dove]

Screw the Zariman Incarnons needing headshots on the Angels

[rain otter]

That's so easy?

What are you doing?

[sullen comet]

Jade shadows was p good too, I liked that it was a cinematic too

They normally drop Warframe short stories without them but stalker deserved the love

[rain otter]

there a angel EVERY mission. @opaque dove

[sullen comet]

bruh

[rain otter]

Do you know what molt augmented does?

[steep totem]

Yes
And I could care less
It's not necessary for me

[opaque dove]

I did the felarx the most recently. I for some reason struggled getting 20 headshots on a void Armageddon bounty

[sullen comet]

It’s ok I don’t have my incarnons maxed xd I’m too lazy

[rain otter]

WHAT WHY ARE YOU DOING IT THAT WAY?

[opaque dove]

I don’t know

[rain otter]

THOSE angles are literally weaker

And you would kill them too fast.

[opaque dove]

Worst part is my build ain’t even optimized and I did it on a public one too

[thick jolt]

Plus the other constraints of the mission

[rain otter]

What you should have done is a exterm and found the angle.@opaque dove

[opaque dove]

I’m in no way the brightest, Vinny

[rain otter]

The sleeping angels die slower and it's faster to do.

Also they drop onions.

[opaque dove]

I know

[steep totem]

Onions?
Ah, pinions

[rain otter]

Also also people are always doing the exterm bounties and finding angels

[sullen comet]

/ my pov is I like to do things layered so doing a bounty or rotation drop farm while also doing a riven or incarnon is more fun so I think it’s a win win

[rain otter]

Cuz the Bounty gives Quills based on Bounty level and then you get a onion

It's great and easy.

[opaque dove]

Also, as I said, my set up ain’t the best for felarx. I don’t even remember my evos on it

[sullen comet]

u keep doing what works for you ^^ not everyone has to play the same or do everything the most efficient

[steep totem]

tell that to the metaslaves

[sullen comet]

Unless you want it to be //

[opaque dove]

I Need more forma. Like a lot more

[sullen comet]

Like I have maybe 5 lich weapons and 1 sister weapon I am not pining for them at all lmao I will do them when I want to / if I am bored it isn’t a big deal. I know people who are lower MR that have them all and I’m like ok u go girl

[steep totem]

Been told Plague Star is a great way to do that
I wouldn't know, I've missed all of them before now

[sullen comet]

And I’m saving my coda cells for big rollers 😭 but I don’t pay attention

Oh yes do the event

They are few and far between

[opaque dove]

Considering the omniforma, I don’t doubt it.

[sullen comet]

Newer players wouldn’t know

Been what 2 years

[steep totem]

I started in late 2016
Believe me, I missed them ALL

[opaque dove]

A forma is 3,000 standing, omni is 5,000

[sullen comet]

Omg

Literally all of them 😭

Cuz it wasn’t till 2018 ish right….

[steep totem]

what I said

[sullen comet]

Idk I’m tired

Work was bad

[steep totem]

I looked it up once
First run was sometime 2017

I missed it,
And every rerun since

[sullen comet]

Ok yeah 2017 poe 2018 fortuna I’m bad

I’m gonna blame that on warframe updates releasing later on consoles

I’m so happy they are synced now because I would starve myself (of being on social media) to avoid spoilers 😂

very hard when the only games u could afford to play was something like warframe

[hushed cypress]

siema a tu są jacyś polacy?

[exotic gate]

#rules

[fast sage]

I so desperately wish that we could have a dynamic warframe skin that's your Drifter as a protoframe

It would be so awesome

I would pay money for that

Or even a Drifter transference suit that looks like a protoframe

[fast sage]

This would be extra fun if you were using the Operator with a Drifter protoframe skin on your warframe

Teamwork!

[weary gate]

Eternalism

But I have a question, maybe already asked. Why there is an Hex npc to Cetus ?

It's not a corpus, not npc Fortuna and cavia

[thick jolt]

What?

[zenith jacinth]

There... isn't

[weary gate]

In front of Konzu, there is a stall selling plates and pottery. A resident of Cetus is sitting down, chatting with someone from Hollvanie. Did Kaya manage to teleport others here?

[zenith jacinth]

Wouldn't work

[thick jolt]

As they used to say
Pics or it didnt happen

[fast sage]

Why not?

[zenith jacinth]

Infestation is terrified of void

[weary gate]

Look yourself

[zenith jacinth]

And also drifter would eventually fully transform

[weary gate]

Similar to captain kirk

[fast sage]

That's not the point

[thick jolt]

If they could get infected in the first place, think there was a convo where they discuss how possible it is for drifter to get infected

[zenith jacinth]

It's a pretty important point

[fast sage]

The point is to look awesome

[weary gate]

Well, about infestation, I have rewatch few cinematics

[zenith jacinth]

Not at the cost of lore accuracy

[weary gate]

Who remembers me directly the famous movie The Thing

[fast sage]

Counterpoint: Xaku

[weary gate]

Arlo's flame

[fast sage]

Additional counterpoint: literally any Warframe

[zenith jacinth]

Void isn't terrified of infestation and the parts are constantly trying to fall off

[zenith jacinth]

They only channel void energy

[fast sage]

Eternalism says I can do what I want

[quick smelt]

It’s less of the infestation is truly afraid of it and more of the fact it’s like being shown an uncanny valley

“This person looks human, acts human, does everything human. Why can’t I infect it then?”

[fast sage]

Infested enemies show up in the void all the time

[fast sage]

No way you had this ready

Regardless, I want this purely for cosmetic reasons

[zenith jacinth]

I have it ready just for people who don't know how eternalism works

[weary gate]

Careful it gonna talk of the Warp like universe Warhammer 40k

[noble drift]

Tenno using transference on other tenno. Somebody knocks out the "face" one and it's like breaking open a set of nesting dolls as the last gasp triggers.

[fast sage]

I feel like the Helminth could turn a Tenno into a temporary protoframe

[zenith jacinth]

There's no such thing as a temporary proto

[fast sage]

The void stuff might just make it so it doesn't get all the way done

Idk man I just wanna look cool

[zenith jacinth]

Aside from the technicality that they're inevitably full frames

[weary gate]

Nobody is afraid about potential protoframe Equinox ?

[zenith jacinth]

No

[weary gate]

A trouble of personnality, night and day

[fast sage]

Bipolar warframe, or maybe multiple personalities, or fused twins

Could be cool

[weary gate]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

Proto equinox would just be someone with two personalities

[fast sage]

Wait

Dumbest idea ever

Xaku protoframe

[zenith jacinth]

Horrifying

[fast sage]

It's literally just Frankenstein's monster

[zenith jacinth]

Entrati's monster

[fast sage]

Exactly

[weary gate]

Guess Nidus will be more

[quick smelt]

Protoframe Xaku activating 4
“Ŵħẽřė ďïð mŷ şķĩņ ğø?”

[zenith jacinth]

Nidus would just be a very sick person

[weary gate]

We have time for see or not

[quick smelt]

Nidus would be making Eleanor jealous clearly

“Behold, I have more based infestation stuff.”

“”

[zenith jacinth]

Rhino proto would probably be from rus or whatever it's called in wf

[weary gate]

Eleanor will be afraid and Lettie ready to push the trigger

[fast sage]

Flare:

[weary gate]

Or Loki

[fast sage]

Caliban Protoframe when

[zenith jacinth]

Just a prankster

[steep totem]

A stealthy prankster

[zenith jacinth]

Loki and wukong protos with a rivalry

Gauss proto who thinks amir took his role

[steep totem]

Wukong?
I'd have picked Ash or Ivara, personally

[zenith jacinth]

Wukong in myth is a prankster iirc

[fast sage]

Gauss proto who is the only one able to keep up with Amir, and everyone else keeps getting annoyed because the two of them keep breaking stuff when they race

[zenith jacinth]

Ash is too serious and ivara doesn't care enough

[quick smelt]

A prankster?
You mean The prankster

[steep totem]

Oh, lol

[weary gate]

But something confuses me : the "coffins " to Lua. One wakes up the child but what about others around ? And during cinematic Erra who are the others operators with the Lotus

[quick smelt]

Other Tenno

[steep totem]

Hmm
Wukong-Nezha rivalry on who's the better demigod

[zenith jacinth]

Kullervo proto frustrates eleanor by being really hot but also too similar to arthur

[quick smelt]

We’re not the only Tenno
We’re just “the main character”

[weary gate]

Well, they are too recent frames

[fast sage]

Wukong

[quick smelt]

(“The squad doesn’t know it, but I’m the main character here.” -Entire squad.)

[weary gate]

Stay to Loki, Rhino and Nezha

[fast sage]

Wukong literally beats up gods for fun

[zenith jacinth]

Why

Protos don't have to be old frames

[weary gate]

For the moment it is

[steep totem]

Wisp isn't that old, afaik

[fast sage]

Example: Temple

[zenith jacinth]

No

[quick smelt]

Our next Protos are Wisp and Harrow
They definitely aren’t the oldest frames

[zenith jacinth]

Temple, cyte, uriel

[weary gate]

Uriel ?

[quick smelt]

Demon Frame

[zenith jacinth]

Upcoming frame

[weary gate]

Ah

[zenith jacinth]

After fun guy

[steep totem]

Uriel proto wasn't confirmed though
I mean, highly likely
But not confirmed

[zenith jacinth]

The odds are about 90%

Every proto wave with a new frame had a proto of the new frame so far

[quick smelt]

It would confuse the heck out of me who else they’ll pick

Unless it’s just Loki as a true meme

[steep totem]

Agreed
But I personally don't take anything as fact until it is

[weary gate]

But you have forget someone

[zenith jacinth]

I take things as fact if no other option makes sense

[fast sage]

Oraxia?

[weary gate]

No

[steep totem]

I'd appreciate that one, ngl
Even if it is just a joke

I've been waiting for a Loki proto

[zenith jacinth]

-# Btw it's shenanigans

[weary gate]

It's not more a Warframe.

[fast sage]

I love shenanigans!

[quick smelt]

Harrow, wisp, and Uriel leaves room

Proto Loki: uncloaks

[fast sage]

Lol

[zenith jacinth]

??

[weary gate]

Someone who talks much...

[steep totem]

Eleanor: So now you show yourself

[weary gate]

With own humor..

[zenith jacinth]

Yet it's spelled wrong in your status

[fast sage]

WAIT

[weary gate]

https://tenor.com/view/ordis-warframe-haha-warframe-ordis-warframe-haha-gif-20500297

[zenith jacinth]

Just say it dude

[fast sage]

HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN LIKE THAT

NOOOOOOOOO

[zenith jacinth]

?????

[weary gate]

Imagine the possibility to Ordis to earn a new body

[zenith jacinth]

He doesn't want one

[weary gate]

Yep but all possibilities are.

[fast sage]

Ordis protoframe?!?!?!

[zenith jacinth]

Not possible

[weary gate]

Many things, since years I play were impossible for me and now, all changes

[steep totem]

I mean, I have occasionally entertained the idea of Ordis hijacking a Necramech...

[weary gate]

Transfer a program in an android

[thick jolt]

They arent really demigods in warframe, also for protos we would need to adapt to 1999

Hmmmmm rival solo idols

[weary gate]

Like Avatar or others movies

The transfer of the soul, like nécromancy

[steep totem]

I meant mythologically speaking
this is assuming they are both from the not-China region

[weary gate]

Wukong is japanese no ?

[zenith jacinth]

Some things don't change

[fast sage]

No

[zenith jacinth]

Chinese

[thick jolt]

Also not as much a myth as a literary character iirc

[weary gate]

Kotaru Fuma

A ninja but his dress doesn't remember you something ?

Or this one

[exotic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/ff-seven-final-fantasies-astos-wavy-hair-gif-26263119

[weary gate]

Wukong samadhi

[undone lodge]

Counterpoint: Nezha has Wind-Fire heelies

[fast sage]

True.

Monke vs femboy

Who will win

[knotty hull]

what y'all gamers know about this ?

[noble beacon]

eternalism shows that ordis already owns a body

[noble beacon]

new war

[zenith jacinth]

Alternate realities are not accessible and therefore irrelevant

[zenith jacinth]

New war isn't an alternate reality or whatever

And I should specify that ordis doesn't want a combat capable body, so the drone body is acceptable for him

[knotty hull]

Can cephalons get pregnat ?

[hearty pendant]

they're digital beings
no.

[rain otter]

That's not what eternalism means.

[noble beacon]

now it does

[rain otter]

No.

[noble beacon]

how do you know what is told ingame is true

[noble beacon]

the orokin have rewritten the past so many times to create their perfect Control

[hearty pendant]

if the presentation on the study on eternalism isn't true, what's even the point

[noble beacon]

thats just Schrödingers cat

[rain otter]

How do you know that you aren't 1000 spiders piloting a flesh suit? We can't know anything 100% but we can be pretty sure.

We use the information given to us as what is true until we know otherwise.

We even have more clarification through the kim system and the Zariman Tablets.

[hearty pendant]

eternalism just explains the drifter, i don't understand why people try to connect it to a billion other things

[rain otter]

Also even then

It's cuz a specific pivotal moment

Was changed.

[noble beacon]

we cant know until we invent ways to check reality like how xray and mri have proven i am not a bunch of spiders in a meat suit

[rain otter]

And the Drifter/the Zariman is the traces of that original intended outcome.

[hearty pendant]

oh.
hmm

[rain otter]

But Emi how do we know that all mris and x-rays aren't all piloted by spiders?

This is the logic you where using against me.

[noble beacon]

no its not this is rage baiting

this is the end of this conversation because theres no goal in this besides baiting someone

[rain otter]

@hearty pendant what I said has merit cuz the tablets support it.

[rain otter]

What were you doing then?

[hearty pendant]

oh absolutely, i just hadn't thought about the drifter n duviri being the traces left behind

[knotty hull]

I kinda have a hard time wrapping my head around it saying that events can be rewritten
As my understanding of what's going on in the hollvania we go to is that it's like an instanciated construct.
Influencing this reality does not really rewrite anything in the one that lead you to do that
or maybe I'm trying too much to deparadox that which is supposed to be paradoxical

[zenith jacinth]

1999 is the direct past, what we do in 1999 does affect the future

[limber yew]

and the 1999 during the quest is different from after, thanks to the drifter

[knotty hull]

I'm not too convinced it's really that direct tbh
it's like entrati was studying the Duviri construct to figure out how to make a similar thing that looks like a freaky version of the past
that then comes alive and interacts with our present world
not truly rewriting our past but a version of it

Also wonder if that could be a reason in what we saw of the Old Peace Loid called them polluted memories ?
or something like that
because once again it isn't truly what happened in those times but again something we constructed/accessed

[limber yew]

i did have that thought as well

[graceful zodiac]

We've already been directly told it's the past by DE. That's not been in question since before it's release

[knotty hull]

Well I'm questioning
iont trust those guys lol
also it's far easier to say it's the past for everyone to understand than get into the real weeds of how stuff works in the Warframe universe

it is a past
of sorts

[zenith jacinth]

It's just straight up the direct past, what DE says is fact

[graceful zodiac]

You can question if you want, but we have a direct word of god about it

[knotty hull]

Cool iont care for those words
I care for the story 👍

[graceful zodiac]

The story tells you the exact same thing

[rain otter]

@zenith jacinth @knotty hull it might have always been the intended outcome cuz since we stop the explosion we make jt where the tech rot ends up infecting other places and leads to the radiation wars.

[graceful zodiac]

You can think it's deeper, but we already know explicitly that it's not. 1999 is the past directly as advertised

[zenith jacinth]

DE writes the story

[knotty hull]

The story is ingame

[zenith jacinth]

DE still writes the story

[rain otter]

Old peace also different. Also I think Loid Says that cuz its memories we literally forgot due to trauma and Loid is like "let the past be" cuz its hurting the operator.

[balmy storm]

DE still writes that story
And from what we see in game it is just visions of the past

Nothing has suggested it’s a strand of khra or some conceptually embodied thing or some odd case of eternalism
No
It’s visions of the past

[zenith jacinth]

Visions?

[balmy storm]

I mean yeah it’s essentially visions of the past
We’re not physically going to the old peace

OH WAIT
you’re talking about 1999!

Yeah that’s even more directly stated to be the actual past lmao

Like I know this game is confusing (heck I just got confused on which past event you were discussing) but it gives us enough that we know what’s happening

1999 is the direct past

[balmy storm]

We do not know what he means by polluted here
Are they polluted cause it’s fake?
Cause it’s traumatic?
Cause it is the true history but spliced with lies?
We don’t even know why these memories were sealed yet or by who, cause it shouldn’t be Margulis since the Tenno are already being used as weapons

That is the one piece of evidence people use to try and disprove it’s not visions of the past and it doesn’t actually suggest anything, mostly cause we don’t have all the info yet

[knotty hull]

ye i've not made definitive claims

just find it interesting how it could line up with some of my theories with how stuff works

[balmy storm]

Tbh since Old Peace and 1999 are sorta sister quests it makes sense both would involve and be about the actual pasts and what we can learn from them

When I say they’re sister quests it’s because it’s been said that after Lotus Eaters the player will get to choose which path they go down, Operator or Drifter
Ofc they can play the other quest after but it’s the fact it’s a split path

And again nothing really suggests Old Peace is a false history and if it is then what’s the point of it?

At most I can see the Orokin spliced in some false memories for some reason but since they were already sealed I doubt that, why alter memories that were never meant to be relived in the first place

And if it’s false or alternate then what’s the point of it?
Since we know we’re going to Tau then it makes sense we relive our ACTUAL memories from our time there, not a false history that may or may not relate to that

[knotty hull]

past and present can coexist and that's why i have been viewing 99 as an instance
also it's a real strange place
that looks highly inflenced by entrati
like he made the place
also the paradoxes of how the protoframes are made from already existing frames and such

[balmy storm]

1999 was influenced by Entrati, but a lot of what’s there was always going to happen
Like the plague year for instance, that was always going to happen

Albrecht’s been there for a good few years, coming and going til his final trip where he created and was stuck in the time loop of new years eve, he’s influenced Scaldra somewhat, put out a cure that at most spread things faster and got him his candidates for protos

Also to nip it asap, the protos aren’t really a paradox?

[tight pagoda]

Entrati took the Helminth serums from the 'present/future' and took them to the 1990's with him

[balmy storm]

Ballas made the warframes
Albrecht took those strains, altered them, went to 1999
Injected however many people
The only known one to last til the Orokin Empire is Temple who shows up when the night of the naga drums happening
Nothing suggests the protos inspired the original frames and the sheer amount of time between 1999 and Ballas making the frames is far too great, all protos (save the singular exception) would be long dead.

[balmy storm]

(‘present/future’ being the old war)

[knotty hull]

das true

[tight pagoda]

Yep, technically the present's past but the future of the past's past

timelines are funny

[balmy storm]

I love the smell of time shenanigans in the evening

[knotty hull]

I think what i believe is something like
there isn't a true canonical timeline in the universe (although we as players kinda experience it like one)
the existence of the Drifter and Operator shows us that timelines can split and coexist
I think the 99 we visit is something akin to Duviri as it's a construct that has been shaped by entrati and might or not be on the same line we are experiencing chronologically
Old Peace could just be weird memories uploaded into Natah to play her role as Margulis ?

[balmy storm]

1999 is not a void construct, it’s the actual real past that we are rewriting, which we have already done prior in small ways

[knotty hull]

yes and also no

[balmy storm]

What do you mean

Cause we literally have rewritten things multiple times prior to 1999
The lua spy vaults and the undercroft defense

Furthermore nothing suggests 1999 is a void construct

Heck we create the coda liches in 99 and they track our void-saturated DNA to the present to confront us

Heck we even used the infestation to travel back to 1999

The infestation’s relationship with time allows it to communicate throughout time, which that coupled with transference is how the Drifter gets to 99

I theorized before 1999 came out that it was some conceptual embodiment akin to Duviri, I’ve thought about this plenty and it’s not the case.
Nothing suggests it to be the case.

Heck ETA even proves it’s the actual past, there’s damage from constantly looping 1999, if it was a separate construct then why would we need to repair things like that?
Why would they talk about how pivotal some moments are to the timeline?
It’s the true past, rewritten by our and Albrecht’s actions but still the actual past.

[timid briar]

I do wonder if the events in 1999 will have any effects in the current time. It might not but I don't know.

[balmy storm]

The Coda and Temple are about it, it’s too far in the past to really effect too much

[timid briar]

Fair point.

[balmy storm]

The Coda can survive that long cause Infested and Temple hitched a ride on a comet

[timid briar]

Yeah.

[knotty hull]

but the "true past" wouldn't need to be rewritten as it's already true
isn't that paradoxical

[balmy storm]

What?

It is the true past AND has been rewritten

We have examples of us rewriting things and it doesn’t change too much aside from one outcome
We know that events can be rewritten but traces of the original persist as well, which we see
We rewrite small aspects of 1999 but nothing changes too much

[timid briar]

Well, aside from the Reactor Meltdown, right?

[balmy storm]

It is still the actual real past, altering it does not make an alternate timeline

[balmy storm]

That is the biggest thing we change yeah, but even that didn’t change much

The Infested will always get out and the radiation wars will always happen.

[tight pagoda]

It's implied the Reactor Meltdown was already a deviation to the original timeline created by Albrecht, no?

[graceful zodiac]

Maybe

[timid briar]

I just thought it was something happens anyways, considering the text from the Hex Quest ending.

[graceful zodiac]

We know Albrecht wanted the schematics to the reactor

[balmy storm]

We’re not going far back enough to make the Infested not happen thus we aren’t changing enough to really matter

[balmy storm]

Y2K would have happened anyway too so hard to say how involved he truly was

[knotty hull]

I really feel like everything is way looser than you make it out to be
with you're actual real real past and such 😆

[balmy storm]

I’m just going off what’s been presented to us

Which is that 1999 is not some void construct

Cause again, nothing suggests that to be the case

[graceful zodiac]

It's not. We've been told exactly what is happening with 1999

You refusing to believe that doesn't change DE's word of god

[tight pagoda]

The actual real past thing was confirmed in interviews and also is apparent in the game, with the Coda we spawn there showing up in the Origin System

[knotty hull]

I played the game

[graceful zodiac]

We all have

You're just refusing to believe what it tells you

[balmy storm]

Again, I theorized about 1999 being a construct before it came out
That’s just not the case.

[knotty hull]

I think there is way more room to interpret things differently than y'all believe

[tight pagoda]

Yeah not when we're explicitly told what the situation is

[balmy storm]

[knotty hull]

Yeah you really don't get it

[tight pagoda]

If 1999 is an alternate past... why bother with it at all?

[balmy storm]

Okay
Where is your evidence to support your argument?

[graceful zodiac]

We can theorize when there's room for theory, like with Old Peace

1999 has been out for over a year and half

DE has been explicit about how 1999 multiple times over

[knotty hull]

And you figure it all out
Bravo

If you say so

[tight pagoda]

No we didn't figure anything out, because there was nothing to figure out

DE told us it's the past. Everything in the game points to it being the past.

[timid briar]

No one has said that it wasn't?

[zenith jacinth]

By the void you're still on this topic?

[balmy storm]

Fawel said it’s a construct made by Albrecht

Which we know it’s not

[timid briar]

It's the past.

[steep totem]

Reading through just a little of this conversation,
I concur with this statement

[knotty hull]

myes I dunno if me calling it more of a reconstruction
or specifying that I don't believe a construct mean its just all fake and can't have any influence or something woulda been better
y'all seem very adamant that it's nothing but the real real real actual past that happened but had to be rewritten because it had to happen another way it didn't happen but still truly happened

[steep totem]

That's because everything we know about 1999 says, directly and indirectly, that we're muckering with the actual past

If it weren't for that, your theory would have more support behind it

[knotty hull]

but how can y'all still keep going on about "actual" past
when it's clear that the past can be influenced and changed and there can be different versions of events and all that
can't be actual actual when subject to change and past and present can coexist

[steep totem]

You just explained it yourself, actually

The actual past can be changed
Therefore, there's no reason to believe we aren't in the actual past

I feel like I've used the word "actual" too many times...

[balmy storm]

Like I said, we know events can be rewritten

It doesn’t change the fact it’s still the real past

Especially when, like I’ve said, we have done it before

[tight pagoda]

Yeah 1999 isn't the "Original" past because it's been tampered with so much by everything ever, but it's now the past that creates the "future" we know

[balmy storm]

Lua spy literally showcases it

[balmy storm]

The changes we make and the Albrecht made don’t even change things enough for it to matter

If our mission was to completely change history we would have gone back FURTHER

[steep totem]

That's a good way of putting it
We're not in the "original" past, but it is the "real" past

[balmy storm]

1999 is the plague year, it was always going to be the plague year

[steep totem]

I'll have to remember that

[balmy storm]

The infected will always get out and the radiation wars will always happen

If we went back far enough to rewrite the infestation out of existence it may change too much and you get the grandfather paradox
Also like
We can’t go that far anyway cause our method of time travel is the infestation

[knotty hull]

Yeah I think that helps
Except I believe it's fake
But not in a way that means what happens doesn't have all the effects it would have being a real rewritting
I think it's the past but has been reconstructed in a weird way that can be vastly different than original but effectively act like the real deal now that it exists

[graceful zodiac]

You're overthinking things

[steep totem]

You have it correct in every way but one
It's not fake

But I get the feeling that particular point will remain a point of disagreement

So, in favor of not engaging in a circular argument, I motion that we close this debate for now

[balmy storm]

There’s nothing that suggests it’s fake

[balmy storm]

Agreed

[steep totem]

We have a second
All in favor?

[knotty hull]

okay moving on

do we live in a simulation?

[steep totem]

ahem
We've finally agreed to move on, bud

[knotty hull]

now that I got all yalls attention
#spoiler-chat message

what about that lol

[steep totem]

No idea what that is, sorry

Might even be a bug

[knotty hull]

myes maybe supposed to be apart of a puzzle that isn't there

[tight pagoda]

The pushing animation is the same as the ones for the Paragrimm puzzles that require you to push one of those 'crate' things off a pillar so it breaks into the 'key' thing

But the thing you're pushing is completely new/unique

[steep totem]

Yeah, that's what confused me

Who knows, it might even be a 3rd Orb situation

[tight pagoda]

Yeah lmao it could be something relevant to future Zariman content

[timid briar]

More Zariman content could be cool.

[knotty hull]

We gotta go meet mushroom people on venus first

[timid briar]

True.

On the topic of the Zariman, what do you guys think the Drifter thinks about it now? (If they weren't in 1999.)

Because the Drifter never had the experience of being stuck in it like the Operator was.

[steep totem]

Oh, he absolutely did
And without Void powers to boot

Remember, Drifter is the version that didn't get saved with the other Zariman children

[timid briar]

Oh, right. I forgot about that.

I just remember that they created Duviri from the Void exposure.

[steep totem]

I forget important stuff too, dw

[timid briar]

So they'd probably have quite a lot of trauma from seeing it again.

[steep totem]

Definitely

[timid briar]

Huh, maybe it's a good thing that the Drifter is in 1999, so they don't have to go back to the Zariman.

[steep totem]

except we had that lunch on the Zariman...

But I hear you

[timid briar]

Oh yeah. I forgot about that too, to be honest, the New War quest really confused me when I first played it.

[steep totem]

Same

[timid briar]

I had the unfortunate pleasure of having to grind the Necramech before I could do it.

[steep totem]

Also same

I've since almost completely leveled the thing

[timid briar]

When Techrot Encore came out and they decided to give a leased Necramech, I've been pissed ever since.

But the Voidrig is pretty cool, so I'm not completely mad.

[knotty hull]

about that
do y'all have any interesting interpretations of what's going on in the bits on the zariman during hex quest

[steep totem]

I haven't as much
But the Voidrig does help in Narmer bounties
Plus, GIANT MECH

[steep totem]

Wall Man messing with us

[timid briar]

There needs to be other Necramech models. The Voidrig and Bonewidow are cool, but more would be cooler.

[timid briar]

Definitely.

[steep totem]

Yes, absolutely

[timid briar]

The like last 15 minutes of the Hex Quest are just the Man in the Wall screwing with the Drifter.

[steep totem]

I also daydream about a warframe with an exalted mech mode

[timid briar]

I would love that.

It would be cool if it was kinda like Equinox in how there is the main Warframe and the Exalted mech.

Except it would probably be better if the Warframe's 4th made it turn into the mech.

[knotty hull]

more than meets the eye

[balmy storm]

You mean like sevagoth

[timid briar]

Yeah.

That's a better comparison.

I have no clue why my brain went to Equinox.

[balmy storm]

Sevagoth, Yareli and Titania are all examples of unique exalteds
We got the exalted frame, the exalted k-drive and the exalted archwing

So exalted necramech when
probably not for a while since there aren’t even plans for more necramechs, for some reason

Probably because their design philosophy is weird
It’s like warframes but not :p

[timid briar]

I mean, there is that KIM conversation that you can have with Aoi where she talks about making a Necramech.

[balmy storm]

The devs have said there’s no plans for one and atm I don’t think they’ll do more

[timid briar]

Yeah.

[balmy storm]

They like to fit things into updates, so maybe if they do a refresh of the necramechs or make a gamemode surrounding them or a story reason akin to the New War preludes events then that could maybe work

[timid briar]

A gamemode involving Necramechs would be cool.

[balmy storm]

Maybe if we ever get an expansion to Deimos that’s not about the labs, Father could reveal a hidden design he worked on

The other problem is in lore the necramechs were the other option against war frames

[steep totem]

Exactly what I was thinking, actually
Old Father/Albrecht collab, sorta

[balmy storm]

And the warframes were picked cause
Better in every way

[knotty hull]

Any theories on what the boy Entrati was doing in Duviri ?
(I know mine isn't appreciated lol)
Also about how his lab exists ?

[balmy storm]

You mean Albrecht?

[knotty hull]

ya

[timid briar]

I think it's less that Scholar's Landing was in Duviri and more that it was in the Void in general.

[balmy storm]

I don’t believe we know how he ended up there but he was there for a while

[timid briar]

Yeah.

[balmy storm]

He discovered Duviri and made his worried about Wally known to Thrax who took them to heart

[graceful zodiac]

We know what he was doing. He was still in fear of Wally and hiding out from Wally

[balmy storm]

Scholar’s landing was his study and where he kept one of the fingers

He brought Oraxia to protect him, her origin is unknown

[graceful zodiac]

Wait, Isleweaver confirmed there's a finger there?

[knotty hull]

There's big one caught in web

[balmy storm]

As for the labs under Deimos, they’re just under deimos
Alternatively they could be using some void tech just to make additional room, which could also explain how Wally got in so easily

[balmy storm]

Yup, Wally/Russalka talks about it too if I’m not mistaken

[timid briar]

That makes sense.

[balmy storm]

The Murmur were a consistent problem in the labs but became a bigger issue by the time of whispers

[timid briar]

I don't remember any specific mention of it, but it's probably just implied.

[balmy storm]

Cause Wally finally got enough in there to make a fragmented one ig and they tethered the strand for his arrival
Which is why we kill the fragmented

[timid briar]

Yeah.

[balmy storm]

Basically if there’s a fragmented there’s a strand and when we kill it we cut the strand and Wally’s path/influence

[balmy storm]

I’d go check but I’m busy and I’m not sure if Gray has the Isleweaver lines on the archive yet

[timid briar]

Alright.

[knotty hull]

What I been thinking is Albrecht been in Duviri studying it and how it "saved" people from the indifference and then got busy in his labs to figure out how to get/make to 99

[graceful zodiac]

That's not the case

[timid briar]

I don't think Albrecht knows Duviri like that. I think he was studying it to figure out how it worked.

[graceful zodiac]

He wasn't really studying, he was hiding

[timid briar]

Yeah, makes sense why it would be called Scholar's Landing and not something like Scholar's Study or something like that.

[knotty hull]

lol

[timid briar]

Maybe I'm thinking too much into it.

[balmy storm]

I believe he said Duviri would have a place in what’s to come, which it kinda has

Duviri acts as a barrier alongside the Zariman plugging the voidhole from my understanding

[timid briar]

It would makes sense.

[balmy storm]

That being said Wally has snuck into Duviri in small cases and with Isleweaver his biggest intrusion yet, which he only got in cause Mathila

[timid briar]

Because if it was JUST the Zariman, then the Void would have been leaking out into the Origin System.

[balmy storm]

Nah the Zariman is plugging the hole

[graceful zodiac]

Duviri doesn't have a part in that

[balmy storm]

If that’s removed then yes the system gets void storms

[timid briar]

That would be an interesting plot point.

[balmy storm]

I’ll rephrase
Albrecht may have seen Duviri as a defense against Wally with the Zariman being an actual physical barrier as it’s plugging the void hole

[graceful zodiac]

Albrecht has just set up Duviri as a potential home base for the fight

[balmy storm]

Yeah, which we have already kinda done with Isleweaver

[timid briar]

Yeah, thinking about it more, that's probably the reason.

[balmy storm]

I’m not saying Duviri is a wall
The Zariman is more so one as it’s acting as a plug

[timid briar]

Yeah.

[balmy storm]

Duviri is just the most defendable place in the void

Since
It’s more than just. Nothing

[timid briar]

Yeah.

Having more nodes in Duviri like Isleweaver would be cool.

[balmy storm]

Which even with that we saw how that went with Isleweaver, thankfully Wally/Russalka was petty enough to just want Duviri lol

[knotty hull]

I like that we can see the orowyrm we free in Duviri while doing void jumps in your railjack

[balmy storm]

I am hopeful we may get more since I like their solution, since they literally can not add more to Duviri having the explanation of Thrax just moving the problem away from the larger mass works great!

[balmy storm]

Unknown if that’s the courtiers or not

Or even if it’s the ones we helped

We also see Orowyrms in the Tyana Pass void tunnel
They’re kinda just about

[timid briar]

Wouldn't the ones we help just go away when the cycle repeats?

[balmy storm]

I mean they should just return to normal after some time

[knotty hull]

🙂

[balmy storm]

Since we help them by beating them down enough to be calmed which quells Thrax’s mood

[timid briar]

Yeah, because the Orowyrms are people in Duviri like Bombastine and Mathila.

[balmy storm]

Yes, the courtiers

[timid briar]

I didn't know they had an actual term for them.

[balmy storm]

There is technically 5 Orowyrms we know of and the ones we see outside of Duviri don’t match any of them

Beyond teasing Duviri we have literally no info on why they’re out there or who they are

[timid briar]

I didn't even know you could see Orowyrms in the Void Jumps with the Railjack or in Tyana Pass.

[balmy storm]

I believe we see Orowyrms in railjack, the void tunnel and in some of the void mirrors on deimos
None of them have names or info and likely are just teasing Duviri since those all came out before Duviri

[timid briar]

Yeah.

[balmy storm]

I wanna say there may be a fourth location but I may be misremembering one of the times I got into the skybox for the void mirror

Those orowyrms do also resemble the one in the original Duviri teaser so
Yeah they likely just exist to tease Duviri

Now if we got word that Thrax had another courtier that he kicked out of Duviri…

Which uh. He can just perma kill Duvirians so idk why he wouldn’t do that instead lol

Like they say he literally invented death for them-

[timid briar]

Thrax is a weird dude in general, so he'd probably just exile them as some kind of hellish punishment.

[graceful zodiac]

Can Thrax permakill though

[balmy storm]

Yes

The shawzin guy’s brother

And all those graves
They all died cause Thrax wanted them to die

I wanna say there’s instances of Duvirians dying for other reasons too but I may be mistaken

[graceful zodiac]

I'm pretty sure the Shawzin guy's brother is meant to be dead, given that's the emotion he represents

[balmy storm]

Yeah, Thrax had him perma killed

The Duvirians shouldn’t really die unless the ruler says otherwise, every day, every spiral resets everything

[graceful zodiac]

Not permakilled, I mean dead before the story of Duviri is meant to start at all

[balmy storm]

Ah

[graceful zodiac]

The brother was never "alive" to begin with

[balmy storm]

No he killed some over Duviri’s history

I see what you mean with that though, the shawzin guy as a character believes he has a brother who was killed

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, double checking that's meant to be his character. The Bard in Duviri is meant to represent loneliness

[balmy storm]

[This grave is near Titan's Rest, but set apart in its own place with an arch over the tombstone.]

With a well-meant word
This kind soul
Drew a King's ire

Lacking a punishment
That befit his rage
That King did invent death

Where we shall all go
This soul went first
Drawing us behind

[balmy storm]

That makes his situation somehow even more sad, he never had a brother cause his brother was always dead ):

[timid briar]

Yeah.

[graceful zodiac]

Hmm. So the question is if these deaths are part of the backstory or if they happened after Drifter CE's it into existence

[timid briar]

Part of the backstory, I assume.

[balmy storm]

I would say the latter

For some, not all

[timid briar]

Because all of the spirals are from the Tales of Duviri storybook, right?

Well, aside from Isleweaver.

[balmy storm]

Yeah, but Duviri still has it’s own history

There used to be more islands for example but those are gone now

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, the question is what part of the history is different from book itself

[balmy storm]

Day however many of wanting to read the actual Tales of Duviri…

[graceful zodiac]

Like that gravestone quote isn't something exact

[timid briar]

I would totally buy a physical copy of the Tales of Duviri.

[balmy storm]

I think at most it shows that Thrax can kill someone and with Isleweaver we see that as well

Like the Duvirians shouldn’t be able to die unless it’s part of the story, so whoever rules Duviri “writes” that in?

[balmy storm]

Same!

[graceful zodiac]

The gravestone confirms Thrax can kill people, definitely

[balmy storm]

Just hard to say which deaths are tied to the story and which are tied to the lengthy history of Duviri

[knotty hull]

Thrax is like the Drifters shadow
so I feel like that action would make sense to have been made in Duviri and less likely to be from the tales themselves ?

[graceful zodiac]

Which is backstory and which is history

[graceful zodiac]

When does he do something like that in Isleweaver?

[balmy storm]

There’s a buncha dead Duvirians in Isleweaver

Do you remember Megan saying they were “sleeping”?

I do wonder if those dead Duvirians get brought back or since we cut the false Duviri it’s as if it didn’t happen

[graceful zodiac]

I don't know if we can say they're permadead. And even then we definitely can't tie that to Thrax

[balmy storm]

Oh no fair, I’m saying that since Wally is on the throne he can permakill

Whether or not they are permadead is hard to say though

[timid briar]

Well, that depends if Thrax can revive someone.

[balmy storm]

Isleweaver is like
Wally’s fanfiction taped to the real Duviri so

Are those deaths real??

[hearty pendant]

the isleweaver strand wasn't able to overwrite the actual duviri, though
so i'd guess everything's still the same in regular duviri

[balmy storm]

True yeah, Thrax moved Castle Town so the rest of Duviri was unaffected

[timid briar]

Yeah, since we cut the Strands of Khra from the false Duviri.

[fading turret]

The Zariman bounty missions are actually hilarious to me