spoiler-chat

[languid dirge]

fair

let him have his own moment

[turbid gull]

Not exactly in the past, it was very recent, hunhow is aware and we see stalker recovering meaning it’s post war within

At most this happened maybe a few years ago

Stalker was on ice for a while recovering from that excal so he hasn’t had much time to train

[languid dirge]

eh video game logic

you get angry you get stronger

and stalker is naught but a man who gets angry

[turbid gull]

Yeah but it seems like stalker kinda had a weird zen moment though

His red glow has turned green for a start

And he didn’t try to kill us, even after jade died

Sure we told him we couldn’t help her but still, if he was just angry he wouldn’t let that failure slip

[south wigeon]

he is kinda busy now

trying to figure out how to raise the only baby Warframe to exist

[turbid gull]

As far as we know

[south wigeon]

Jade is one of a kind so there is definetly not another.

[turbid gull]

Stalker will be stalker, probably gonna get a new acolyte in the next few years

[simple python]

Yeah. There's cloned copies, sure, but there's only one Jade.

[south wigeon]

it is also good to know DE will circle back around to this.

[turbid gull]

Ya know what’s scares me?

[south wigeon]

between that text in the website and them acknowledging this creates more questions, they're gonna come back to this

[turbid gull]

The idea of a pubescent warframe, my lord the anger issues

[languid dirge]

Ya. I just hope that isn't a grandious way of saying "hey look jade eximus units exist now".

[south wigeon]

Tbh I think maybe it's good to remember our ideas of how a baby grows doesn't necessarily apply to... a baby Warframe.

[nova harness]

Can’t have questions without quest

[turbid gull]

And also this will be the first time we have seen a sentient frame without an operator of some kind, it’s not even like umbra because umbra had a human in him

[south wigeon]

well yeah that's standard procedure, has there ever been a single quest post second dream that doesn't leave more questions than answers at the end?

[obtuse gyro]

That scene with Jade? Its entirely possible for it to have taken place during the collapse. So distant past. Space grandpa has a penchant for stalker exposition since stalker is a man of few words

[obtuse gyro]

Um, all frames have humans in them like umbra

[south wigeon]

I think they mean the baby

[simple python]

I do recommend DSiege's video on the quest. There's a comment even bringing up how long that baby's been gestating for. Up to... 1,000 years? Maybe.

[turbid gull]

Yeah but what I’m saying is that umbra didn’t have his personality and conscientiousness ripped away like other frames

[simple python]

However long since the fall has been. That's a long period.

[obtuse gyro]

Umbra wasnt special because he had a human. He was special because ballas still gave him autonomy despite being gen 2

[south wigeon]

since all we get is a vague "milennia" for how long it's been since the collapse, and that Jade could have become a Warframe at the end of the old war at worst, 1000 years is the minimum, right?

[turbid gull]

This baby warframe is one of a kind, it’s not made from a human, it’s just a warframe

[nova harness]

I don’t he’s not that good at making sense

[simple python]

I mean his comments do, at least.

[south wigeon]

is Stallordd the only good lore channel?

[nova harness]

No there’s Orokin Archives

[simple python]

I'm always curious about the biomechanism of Warframe. Just feels nice that we're here. At a new chapter within it.

[south wigeon]

wait they have a youtube?

oh they do

[nova harness]

Yes

[turbid gull]

The thing about stalker is we know that the whole rescue by jade has to have been recent, hunhow has an intimate knowledge of what happened AND we see stalker recovering, and we know he was active over the last few years because of war within

So this had to be post war within

[south wigeon]

hunhow has an intimate knowledge of what happened
this does not necessiate it being recent

[nova harness]

Hunhow is also really old

[south wigeon]

^

Hunhow could very much know about that if it took place during the collapse or old war

[turbid gull]

Yeah but he hasn’t been stalkers BFF for long

[south wigeon]

doesn't have to be to know

[obtuse gyro]

Stalker recovering? You mean when he's chilling on the ceiling?

Its not really indicative that hes a) recovering from a fight and b) recovering from that encounter with jade

[lone axle]

man just sleeps like batman

[languid dirge]

I love the 5 person help missions

[nova harness]

Stalker is Batman that uses guns

[valid jolt]

Recent? He was wearing his Low Guardian chest armor in that cutscene, which I believe means he was turned into Stalker during the time of the collapse

[south wigeon]

Actually, that would have to be collapse no?

"of all the gods and kings and golden lords, why was it you she saved?" while we are seeing Jade protect him from that excal, that indicates collapse, no?

[thick jolt]

One aspect that to me points to the jade, excal and stalker scene happening in the night of the drums is that stalker was wearing his low guardian badge

What better occasion to wear a formal badge than on the night they celebrate winning the old war?

[obtuse gyro]

Some part of me questions if its actually that night, because it would mean stalker became, well, stalker on that night itself. Which then raises the question that if his status as a weird warframe type was during the night of naga drums, does that mean he wasnt a low guardian when jade got pregnant?

[valid jolt]

No he was a Low Guardian. Jade and Sorren talked about how they would get in trouble if the Orokin found out she was pregnant

[nova harness]

Which they did

[valid jolt]

Yep

[lone axle]

Most relationships between lower caste citizens seem to be outlawed unless specifically ordained by law
uegh

[thick jolt]

I see it like this

Sorren was a low guardian as pointed by the chestplate/badge

Sorren and jade were turned into frames before the colapse

On the night stalker was present wearing his badge

Excalibur threatens to kill him

Jade protects him

[obtuse gyro]

Which then runs into a few more problems then, why did the operator report say that stalkers appearance was that of a low guardian?

Mysteries upon mysteries

[obtuse gyro]

But sorren and jade were two different kinds of frames tho

[valid jolt]

Uhhh wdym by the Operator report? You mean the Computer next to Loid?

[obtuse gyro]

Like unlike jade stalker wasnt subsumed into the warframe project

[obtuse gyro]

Yes

[lone axle]

i mean, you see the badge, right? "low guardian" is literally burnt onto his face

[obtuse gyro]

Hmmm, could you pull up a side by side for that?

[valid jolt]

Well he maybe witnessed the ceremony as a Low Guardian, but when the Tenno began their slaughter that’s when he turned into Stalker?

[thick jolt]

Well stalkers face pattern does look like an upside down version of the inner part of the badge

[nova harness]

Is there even a Jade Shadows operator report?

[obtuse gyro]

Which makes it tougher for the diorama to be of the night of naga drums because stalker would have to be framed up real quick

[obtuse gyro]

Oooooooo wonderful

[valid jolt]

I wish the quest explained how he turned into a Warframe. Like did my guy sneak into a Helmith room and turn into a Warframe without anyone noticing??

[thick jolt]

Maybe it was because of his duties as a low guardian, keep it secret an all, maybe they just didnt get around to it because the colapse happened shortly after

We also dont have a reference on how jade acted normally or if she could speak like the stalker

Because we only see her in her deathbed and in pain apparently

[lone axle]

ordis did say jade hasn't been seen since the collapse so

[valid jolt]

Well there was that one line from Jade in the beginning of the quest

[thick jolt]

That felt more like an echo of a memory to me, but yeah possibly

[jovial pollen]

I personally feel like it represents the pure and the dishonored. Jade was pure hearted and calmed Sorren before they were both used for warframe experiments then abandoned

[nova harness]

Ballas: Pregnancy is a crime

[open crypt]

I wished there will be some Easter Eggs when I redo the Second Dream quest with Jade, sadly there’s none 😢 and it is just heart breaking to see this happening 🥲

[rain otter]

It seemed more like their relationship at all was a crime.

[nova harness]

Stalker: I will not hurt my Gf proceeds to hurt Gf being used as a meat puppet

[open crypt]

Yet if you use Jade in normal mission when Shadow hunts you he won’t fight you, He will just drop the reward and leave 😂

[valid jolt]

Lol that version of Stalker ain’t a simp

[open crypt]

And it works with the whole team, as long as your team has one Jade stalker will not fight any one of you

[nova harness]

Stalker got nerfed

All you need to do to beat Stalker now is breath

[rain otter]

ehhh

hunhow stalker

got a extra weakness lmao so currrent stalker is kinda buffed if you mean jusdt breathe as jade i guess.

[rain otter]

still hate that term.

[thick jolt]

Jade shadows chat is painfull to watch

[rain otter]

yeah.

[thick jolt]

So many people that dont get the lore

[fresh storm]

That was the most disturbing thing I’ve ever seen in warframe

[solemn hull]

Birth contractions mini game is certainly in the top 5 of Warframe

[fresh storm]

that minigame was…….interesting

[spice sparrow]

Never in my life did I expect to ever play a birthing minigame

[fresh storm]

Can’t say i ever thought id see this warning in wf

[turbid gull]

Started with AC2, continued with warframe

[spice sparrow]

There's a birthing minigame in Armored Core 2???

[fresh storm]

what did yall name ur son

[spice sparrow]

Sirius

[turbid gull]

Assassins creed 2 lmao

[wraith sigil]

Sirius, it sounded funny in my head

[onyx vapor]

ngl, that CW made me think of two things, the first being Stalker having mommy issues, then my second though jokingly remembering steve's answer

[fresh storm]

There’s a birthing minigame in assassins creed two

[thick jolt]

Too many ac games

Armored core
Ace combat
Assassins creed
Probably even more i dont know of

[turbid gull]

Animal crossing

[fresh storm]

It completely threw me for a loop

I was just staring at my monitor like “what?”

[spice sparrow]

Astral Chain

[thick jolt]

All of them have a sequel with "2" as well

[spice sparrow]

Not Astral Chain 😔

[onyx vapor]

Sirius, was gonna pick Orion but I had just finished Goldran so the name "Serious" stuck with me considering what the character Serious went through

[fresh storm]

I just saw the green vs red bit

[turbid gull]

Ngl tho jade getting 2 aura mods goes so hard

[fresh storm]

I think the lore reason is that Orion is a hunter and Sirius is the brightest star in the sky by apparent magnitude

and it’s the Dog Star

[onyx vapor]

yeah

[turbid gull]

Tbh I don’t think it makes sense to call him Orion, especially since this quest seems like more of a turning point in the story of stalker, he seems a bit more at peace now

[thick jolt]

I wonder
Did anyone stop to look if the constelations were up on the skybox ?

[fresh storm]

Agreed.

[turbid gull]

Less angry towards a bunch of teenagers ig

[fresh storm]

Honestly I didn’t somebody probably did

[devout leaf]

We got a stalker love story before GTA 6 and I dig it 100%

[thick jolt]

Would be pretty cool

[onyx vapor]

I agree, yet at the same time it makes me wonder more what kind of investment DE has in mind with the baby mechanic

[nova harness]

Then Twitch gave quest ideas

[fresh storm]

I never understood it. Like why is he so frustrated that the Tenno decided to annihilate a bunch of murderous tyrants who killed their adopted mother

[onyx vapor]

they killed a warframe on screen a second time for gianni stalker to have a kratos arc afterall, the baby has got to be used for something

[turbid gull]

When can I the baby?

[onyx vapor]

forma baby hypetrain

[fresh storm]

baby steel path build 3 forma + potato

[turbid gull]

Wonder what their helminth ability would be?

[fresh storm]

Projectile vomit

[wraith sigil]

He was loyal to the orokin i think

[nova harness]

The baby will become Jade Prime

[fresh storm]

I fail to understand why in any capacity. Dude, they tortured and transmutated your pregnant lover

[wraith sigil]

Yea ngl when i played the quest i got god of war flashbacks

[turbid gull]

Baby grows up to be a gun lol

Incarnon baby when?

[fresh storm]

Hold up this isn’t Destiny lol

/joke

[onyx vapor]

high on life moment

[turbid gull]

Look man that game has a monopoly on turning gods into guns, warframe needs to find its niche

Baby guns are as good as anything

[fresh storm]

warframe’s new mechanic: baby guns where the damage type is modified by what you feed it

[nova harness]

Stalker: The Orokin made my Pregnant gf a Warframe years go by Kids kill Orokin with Warframes how dare they this isn’t fair

[fresh storm]

Also during the quest when Operator told Stalker he needed cortichrome from the infestation I was like ??? dude you just walked past the helminth and instead decided to make it unnecessarily difficult

[onyx vapor]

Stalker just felt like killing a jug

[weak zealot]

Is Stalker the only warframe to canonically smash?

[wraith sigil]

Oh god don’t give DE ideas

[turbid gull]

Ok hear me out

What if the baby isn’t actually a baby but it’s just jade

Kinda birthing itself?

Obviously that’s not it at all but it’s a neat idea

[chilly pine]

umbra, and jade obv

[weak zealot]

i forgor bout Umbra

[turbid gull]

Umbra was the first warframe to kill his own kid, jade is the first warframe to give birth to a kid, stalker is the first warframe to….raise a kid?

[chilly pine]

sounds about right i guess

[wraith sigil]

Also i just noticed Jade shadows came out about a day after Father’s Day

[turbid gull]

Tbh I find it funny how the only frame we have ever seen stalker actually beat in a fight is a Loki, the most useless frame ever

Bro is so cool but so unnecessary

[wraith sigil]

I saw other warframe heads when i explored stalker’s place

[weak zealot]

were they all Loki?

[turbid gull]

Huh I guess he stepped up his game

Unfortunately he still has a tragically poor KD

[south wigeon]

There's a Wisp in the lair

[wraith sigil]

Not just loki, there was excalibur, nova, rhino, wisp from what i remember

[spice sparrow]

Him bringing Loki's head was actually a huge flex

[chilly pine]

i imagine hes killed his fair share, unfortunately were just built different

[spice sparrow]

Back then Loki was absolute meta

[turbid gull]

Any wisp who lost to stalker is an embarrassment

All she has to do is use breach surge and hit him once and he falls over 💀

[wraith sigil]

Back when loki was a starter frame

[spice sparrow]

Yeah and he was strong

[turbid gull]

Was

He just can’t compete now

[wraith sigil]

Stalker can dispel abilities although I’m not sure how long he’ll react before doing that

[weak zealot]

Stalker when he see's a warframe harness the power of the sun

[wraith sigil]

No? This is not possible…

[turbid gull]

I mean remember that wisp is invisible when in the air…and we know she can fly…so how does she even loose to stalker

[wraith sigil]

That wisp, whoever controlled her must’ve been newly built

[turbid gull]

Zero forma lookin ahhh

[weak zealot]

imagine if it was your warframes head everytime you died to Stalker

[turbid gull]

Oh so like…one head?

[wraith sigil]

Sever their heads, yet they rise again…

Someone has hidden the Tenno essence, their truth from you…

[south wigeon]

forget that, I'm questioning how the Rhino died 💀

[wraith sigil]

Speaking of stalker, does last gasp prompt still trigger when he actually kills you?

[onyx vapor]

here I thought I was the only one to have that SU thought

would be funny and explain how the babby materialized

[tawdry socket]

Yeah ngl I did find that weird unless like, for some reason Helminth couldn't give what Stalker needed? But state that, yknow

[nocturne kiln]

So Wisp?

[fickle cove]

Top 10 happiest Stalker and Jade moments:

Thank you for reading my list

[turbid gull]

So if a Tenno dies in their frame do they just transfer to their next frame? Or back to their pod? And what about before they awaken?

[wraith sigil]

Wait what? Can you clarify?

[obtuse gyro]

based on the old zanuka quests, it seems like they just toggle to the next frame they have

[nocturne kiln]

Back to the pod. Severs thier somatic connection. Before the awakening... they'd probably be trapped on the moon canonically

[wraith sigil]

Well if that was the case the quest would’ve been shorter

[south wigeon]

I mean... it's a baby Warframe. This is like, how to best say... The only Warframe that isn't one of the originals (aka a human turned Warframe) or one of their copies.

Also, it is, again, a baby Warframe. I don't think Orion quite follows the same biology as... anything else.

[onyx vapor]

That is correct, we dont know squat about this new form of life technically

baby warframes aint exactly explored territory, yet

[valid jolt]

AKA Wallys new target lol

[south wigeon]

Frankly I am still somewhat hesitant even calling it a Warframe because of that particular detail, even though it's literally a Warframe's baby

[wraith sigil]

Yea this one’s something we discovered I’d say

[onyx vapor]

Thats why I havent called it that either yeah

Too early to know what it exactly is

we'll have to see how they grow and such

[south wigeon]

thing probably doesn't even age or mature the same way anything else does, maybe

[hearty pendant]

Forever Baby then

[south wigeon]

I forgot to add a same*

[onyx vapor]

cyborg 009 moment

[south wigeon]

Cuz it's definetly gonna grow somehow

[onyx vapor]

the jade light probably will make em funky for sure

[limpid elm]

Thank you for Jade Shadows, DE. ❤️

My theorycrafting buddies and I are cooking over the possibilities. Just when we thought we had an understanding of how depraved the Orokin were. Nope, it was so much worse than we thought. Also canonizing that Umbra wanders the Orbiter at will is so dang cool.

Personally I am living for Ordis and Pavos Granum's ruthlessly hostile dialogue. Not nearly enough players know who Ordan Karris was. I know that the update won't be everybody's cup of tea. However, it has thoroughly delighted me. Please continue to make brave and wonderfully weird choices.

[wraith sigil]

The Jade Light: ensuring people turn into nothing but gore.

*handle withOUT care

[onyx vapor]

lmaoo

Pictured next time when we see Stalker

[valid jolt]

Well if you think about it, the baby must’ve been effected by all the Helmith infusions that Warframes normally go through. The baby could possibly have strength that of Warframes, maybe even some powers from Jade, and probably even more

[south wigeon]

ok yeah I forgot it's the baby transformed when I wrote that but still

I'm still kinda hesitant calling Orion a Warframe

[wraith sigil]

Yea from now on I’m still calling it “kid” until we know more about stalker’s kid

[valid jolt]

Well if the baby is a Warframe, that means it’s organs and everything are literally made of steel and flesh lol

[south wigeon]

I mean that can be true even if it isn't a Warframe since it still comes from a Warframe but like

yeah it's just weird and unique and all

[onyx vapor]

Infested... 3!

[valid jolt]

Ngl I’m afraid DE isn’t gonna visit this plotline again and make it an Umbra situation where the baby won’t appear in future quests

[onyx vapor]

Yeah, though I am still betting the choice will still effect Stalker reagrdless

kinda curious what the next step for him will be

[south wigeon]

oh they will visit it

[wraith sigil]

Yea looks like a possible redemption arc for him

[south wigeon]

even setting aside the text at the end of the quest where they acknowledge there's so many questions left

[valid jolt]

Yea that’s true

[south wigeon]

there's this text on the website

where they're straight up say it has significant implications for the origin system

Highly likely they will circle back to the baby at some point

[valid jolt]

It better not be flavor text lol

[wraith sigil]

How about we take him back to 1999

[south wigeon]

That's probably not what happens but Wally would naturally be interested in Orion due to it's uniqueness

[midnight radish]

If stalker needs a baby sitter then he can call hunhow, I got stuff to do

[south wigeon]

Then again, it's DE. Never say never.

[valid jolt]

Yea I bet

[onyx vapor]

Babysweep for 1999 ftw

[chilly pine]

now im thinking of lotus babysitting sirius, i imagine shed be quite capable all in all

[south wigeon]

honestly... think the Lotus would be at least somewhat... envious? She lost the ability to give birth, and yet, the impossible still happened, but for someone else, someone who is an enemy at that

[wraith sigil]

Let’s not forget she’s the daughter of the great and terrible Hunhow

[onyx vapor]

Grandpa Hunhow is definitely giggling over that fact

[chilly pine]

true, tho it is possible to fix that iirc, since kuva can restore their ability to procreate.

[onyx vapor]

I think I am terrified by the idea of any kind of Tau mixing it with Kuva

Even space ma

[hearty pendant]

Hunhow seems to contact us at the end of the quest due to that,, envy? of Stalker and Jade

but also fr where is Lotus during all of that

[south wigeon]

I mean we know the results already

The sentients regain their lost ability to replicate

that's what happens

[wraith sigil]

Come to think of it, lotus is getting less screen time in the newer quests

[onyx vapor]

true true

[south wigeon]

I don't think we informed her of this the same way we didn't inform her about all the going ons in the Sanctum Anatomica

[chilly pine]

honestly yeah, i cant imagine she'll be around for 1999, and we dont know what else they have planned story wise so

isnt she plugged into our transference link tho? meaning she sees everything we do

[wraith sigil]

Albrecht wanted to keep it a secret didn’t he? Well for his family but no idea about the outside world

[onyx vapor]

same with the implied roaming Umbra, off screen

[onyx vapor]

Yep!

[wraith sigil]

I’m thinking he’s in the personal quarters

[south wigeon]

If he didn't want his family to know about it he definetly doesn't want the outside world to know it either

[onyx vapor]

Honestly he would vibe there ngl

[south wigeon]

and I assume we may not have informed her of what happened with Jade because... private matters? 🤷

[onyx vapor]

more or elss yeah

[wraith sigil]

That would definitely enrage stalker more

[onyx vapor]

would be funny if she was popcorning it the whole time like it was her favorite soap drama

[wraith sigil]

“Tenno, what madness is this? Helping the one who hunts you!?”

[chilly pine]

i mean, we did work with alad v,

[onyx vapor]

She does find it fine if her invasion lines mean much

[chilly pine]

that too, theres been events where we have to pick a side and shes like "do what you want, i wont force you into anything"

[onyx vapor]

yea

If anything she'd more likely pokingly nag the operator about having jade die during childbirth than to critisize the choice they make

[chilly pine]

and honestly, a chance to bury the hatchet with one of our old enemies? doubt she'd pass that up aswell

[onyx vapor]

Oh 100% yeah! Especially since the Tenno already did the same for her already.

[weak zealot]

whats the difference between Vestigial motes and volatile motes?

[wraith sigil]

For different event awards

[weak zealot]

ah

[chilly pine]

vestigial is the pity currency and will always be available, volatile is the event reward and is time limited

[south wigeon]

Also the ones that Parvos value are finite

vestigial is infinite but is useless for Parvos

[wraith sigil]

Ordis said something about one of them being irreplaceable iirc

[chilly pine]

yeah the volatile ones are finite

[onyx vapor]

Yeah, the temp ones are irreplaceble

[wraith sigil]

Probably because they’re more powerful

[south wigeon]

I like how Ordis gets under Parvos' skin

[onyx vapor]

The roasts between the two were so legendary

Makes it worth it not picking stalker everytime I did ascension

(I still pick stalker anyways because funny)

[south wigeon]

I'm picking Stalker cuz I can't survive otherwise 💀

[onyx vapor]

f

[wraith sigil]

Jade

[onyx vapor]

thankfully jade is four letters

[simple python]

What

[errant minnow]

what what

[undone lodge]

What are you on about

[simple python]

I'm not gonna - good luck. I have stuff to do.

[violet cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/ultraman-belial-gif-18716735

jade baby looks like him

[onyx vapor]

toothpaste man

I need to live in whatever timeline this guy is in

[undone lodge]

Kiddos (Kiddo + Dos)

[onyx vapor]

The Light In The Wall

I certainly wont

[violet cipher]

you guys think we gonna get the baby warframe eventually

[undone lodge]

When they’re done with Soulframe they’re going to announce a teaser for the sequel/spin-off to Warframe, Boyframe, where we play as Orius and develop our Warframe powers as we progress through the story

[wraith sigil]

Oh my god…

[real helm]

That's great

[wraith sigil]

“Stop thinking like a father for a moment and start thinking like a stalker!”

“NO!”

[violet cipher]

helmithing jade 4th is technically a abortion

[real helm]

baby Stalker plushie when?

[wraith sigil]

How about a stalker floof with a possibly hybrid baby attached to his arm?

[simple python]

Floof baba?

Perhaps.

[real helm]

https://tenor.com/view/id-like-that-frank-sheldon-christopher-walken-the-outlaws-i-would-love-to-gif-25275332

[wraith sigil]

Your actions have…blessings.

[nova harness]

Who’s gonna tell Stalker he has a little toothpaste on his face?

[wraith sigil]

Nobody

[onyx vapor]

I aint gona tell him about his deathcium toothpaste

[simple python]

I just know Jade Prime is gonna look even more resplendant.

If the tennogen don't get there first that is. There's SO many ideas for tennogen helmets I have for her already.

[tranquil terrace]

Is Pretty cool if you use Jade the stalker won't hurt you

[onyx vapor]

Agreed

[tranquil terrace]

I love it 🤩

[mighty sky]

... The Warframe floof game is about to go crazy.

I give it one more week before someone gets a hold of Sirius' model... The animations... My god...

[onyx vapor]

Lots of daddy Stalker animations and TONS of GetGianni dub reanimations for sure

[mighty sky]

Jade Prime is going to look horrifically beautiful.

[lethal ruin]

Prime feathers is crazy

[simple python]

I imagine it'll all probably come off looking like Wisp's prime...

What with the fractality of the wings in gold, but I don't think the helmet will be totally different. They all tend to be upgraded base helmets.

[south wigeon]

ok but the portraits though, so beautiful

[potent vine]

POV: you forgot your script from the void and don’t know what to say next

[onyx vapor]

He is now going to proceed to come out of the player's monitor and hands you your script with his golden hand.

[potent vine]

It’s a glitch from Corgs stream yesterday he frozed and looked his dementia kicked in

[quasi galleon]

Hmm... father's day quest

[potent vine]

What’s more funny on top of this a player was very bugged and he couldn’t get back into his Warframe so it looked like parvos was using his mind to lock out a Warframes transference and tried to screw over the team lmao

And that happened to be a players Dante too lol

[junior vine]

I don't feel comfortable playing Jade

[flat shadow]

Good news! You don't have to. There is nothing locked behind that one warframe.

[junior vine]

It's because she's pregnant

In her design when she gave birth during the quest

[quasi galleon]

When her prime hits its gonna be weird to gear Ballas excuse for this

[junior vine]

Her prime ain't gonna be for quite a while

But I wish there was a way to turn off the baby belly

[nova harness]

Stalker is Batman with weapons

[compact pulsar]

Average Chad father when people try stealing your kid

[junior vine]

Are they gonna fix the stalker bug?

[compact pulsar]

Which one

[junior vine]

Where you're stuck invisible and can't move in ascension

[compact pulsar]

Haven’t heard of news yet but you could check bug reports for updates

The main issue rn imo is he doesn’t acquire motes all the time during ascension so hopefully when that gets patched the other will as well

[junior vine]

Yes he does

[compact pulsar]

Yes.. not all the time though. It’s an issue that has stopped me from running as stalker for awhile

Other half of that issue is this morning I got a 5th teammate instead of a stalker

Not so much an issue but it was an interesting experience

[flat shadow]

Not all frames are fun for all players. If you don't like one for whatever reason you have, you don't have to play it.

[junior vine]

It's just something I don't understand because she gave birth in the quest

[flat shadow]

There is a lot that doesn't make sense in Warframe.

[austere pebble]

is jade prime gonna be pregnant too

[nova harness]

Yes

[potent vine]

Jade: I may be pregnant but that doesn’t stop me from kicking corpus butt!

[ionic sleet]

I don't think the Jade we build is pregnant. But the original was, when turned into a Warframe, so the blueprint reflects that.

[floral tiger]

It will be glorious, Gianni is an absolute legend.

[onyx vapor]

Amen!

[woeful patio]

Jade noble animation without weapons is the most default pregnant stance ever

Devs rlly amaze me with their animations

[nova harness]

Who voices Jade?

[woeful patio]

idk but her voice gave me goosebumps

[noble otter]

I know that Stalker is now voiced by Gabriel from ULTRAKILL, among other roles

[woeful patio]

no way

[onyx vapor]

Yep

[noble otter]

I was so hyped when I realised this morning, Giannis a really funny guy

[onyx vapor]

And ngl the whole time I played that quest all I can think of was his Duke Nukem meme dubs and the goons he voices in Fallen Aces

[noble otter]

Yeah I was thinking of him Gabriel one he did a while back that I cant name here

[onyx vapor]

And wont lie, his stalker impression was much more solid than I expected so I HAVE to give our favorite arch angel kudos

[noble otter]

Its lucky that Stalker never really had a truly unique style of speaking, I just hope that old actor was well compensated

[onyx vapor]

Now we need is a KinoFabino designed skin, for whatever frame he deems worthy I feel.

[onyx vapor]

Oh hope so too!

[south wigeon]

we better get some good shitposts out of Gianni being the VA

[onyx vapor]

They will be good if he gets a good meme to dub

[noble otter]

As far as im aware though, Stalker was voiced by whoever was the Sound Designer at the time, like a Plankton situation where they got a guy already on staff because he had a great voice

[onyx vapor]

Yeah

[noble otter]

So im sure hes fine

[junior vine]

Honestly the Jade farm was 100% worth it

[slow wigeon]

Is there fr a labour scene in the new quest? My friend just messaged me about it and idk if he’s messing with me.

[lusty basin]

It isn't explicit or anything if that is your concern

[junior vine]

If you want the quest to be spoiled for you. I won't go farther in detail until you say it's okay I tell you

[junior vine]

^

[slow wigeon]

It’s not that, it just seems so random

[lusty basin]

It'll make sense in the quest

[junior vine]

It's because Jade is pregnant

[flat shadow]

Warframe has always been a bit random.

[junior vine]

She was before turning into a warframe which is how she is as a warframe

[slow wigeon]

He told me there’s a mini game to give birth and I just thought about the new Warframe suddenly getting a QTE to… keep it in??? Idk

[timber swift]

Oh yeah what happens if you screw up the mini game

[slow wigeon]

So wait, is the baby human or a Warframe?

[junior vine]

Warframe

[lusty basin]

We... actually, we don't know with 100% certainty.

[slow wigeon]

How does it fit into the story. Idc about the spoilers.

[wicked iron]

That's not a thing.

[lusty basin]

We get Stalker backstory of him before getting turned and why he got turned, and how Jade got turned as well.

It gives some context to him

[slow wigeon]

So were they a couple?

[lusty basin]

Yeah

[timber swift]

I think its main purpose is just to establish a background for Jade. It doesn't have profound impact on the rest of the story. If anything it contradicts the Stalker's lore but people are less inclined to agree with that

[slow wigeon]

This is a somewhat stand alone story that doesn’t link directly to the 1999 update right?? Like voruna and citrine.

[near rune]

Yeah as far as we know. Doesn't seem to have many links to the main story near-term

[wicked iron]

It doesn't contradict Stalker's lore, though.

[warm anvil]

this quest takes place sometime after new war

[junior vine]

The way Jade can just absolutely destroy practically everything is fun

[lusty basin]

I think that is in regards to a previous implication made by Hunhow to Stalker that he was a Tenno. Though, one could also argue at the time that this was Hunhow not being a reliable source of information either as he was manipulating him at the time.

[junior vine]

She's practically everything you need in a mission all in one

[simple python]

She might be overtuned imo

Dante was like that and still is btw

[wicked iron]

Hunhow could also just have been wrong, instead of trying to deceive.

[lusty basin]

This is true too

He doesn't have all the information

[wicked iron]

Yeah.

[lusty basin]

In fact, what he has of Stalker is from Stalker's flawed/altered memory

[simple python]

I feel like Jade's revive could've been an augment... only if. It's a fun interaction

[lusty basin]

Really, then, the lore isn't exactly contradicted, as much as, Stalker was not a reliable narrator to his own life.

Orokin sucked, mmkay?

[simple python]

You think arcane battery on Valkyr goes so hard? It's the armor to max energy arcane.

[lusty basin]

Honestly, that was the intention. Give tanks a way to boost their energy max without using mod slots.

[dark valley]

Help, i cant stop my brain from thinking about stalker making dad jokes...

[heavy wasp]

https://youtu.be/zAVAvT2fDdg?si=wWoc5BXV34qr_RIi

[bronze glen]

Fellas

If there is a Jade present in the squad and Stalker spawns, he just says "no" and leaves while dropping his loot

DE with their DEtails

[south wigeon]

I am hesitantly calling him a Warframe for now, but frankly? We don't know

Warframes are humans transformed into Warframes or copies built of them, admittedly, the baby was transformed alongside the mom, so while this still applies, even with us barely seeing the baby, he is so different from other Warframes due to the circumstances that I doubt he is a Warframe, even if I am calling him one

[sharp rain]

where is the jade prex card ? I swear to the void i have been looking everywhere and a video i saw showed where it should be but its not there and yes my jade is rank 30

[south wigeon]

to be fair, while I don't think the baby will be in 1999 the quest, if they wanna tie him into the void plot/arc we have going on rn, they definetly can do so, easily

So really, we just gotta wait and see

Only thing I'm sure of is that DE is circling back to this at some point

[pseudo willow]

Theory: stalker went to duviri or atleast the void in some capacity

That’s why we get to use him in duviri

[balmy storm]

Duviri Stalker is known to be a different stalker

[pseudo willow]

Explain

[balmy storm]

He’s not our stalker, primary evidence for that being the game tells us and duviri stalker is inert

[balmy storm]

An ally from an unknown time and place. Stalker is a powerful force within the shadows.

[pseudo willow]

Is it possible that he’s just stalker in a different form

[balmy storm]

No

[pseudo willow]

Why not

[balmy storm]

Why would Stalker let any part of himself be controlled by the people he hates the most?

[pseudo willow]

Well we did help his baby moma give birth

[balmy storm]

Duviri Stalker is not our Stalker
He is a Stalker from somewhere/when but those details are not known
Duviri stalker also likely has a transference bolt and is inert like other frames, our Stalker is not

[balmy storm]

That doesn’t change the fact he still hunts us and still has hate for us, even if diminished he isn’t entirely our ally

Not yet at least

[valid jolt]

Duviri Stalker is just Void/Paradox shenanigans. It isn’t actually Stalker Stalker

[flat magnet]

he tolerates us more but will still come after us

[pseudo willow]

Yeah but how did the paradox come to be

[spare nymph]

Wasn't stalker The frame itsself?

[pseudo willow]

Do you think it’s possible someone saw him in the void at some point

[balmy storm]

By throwing the Operator into their own timeline?

[flat magnet]

The operator getting pushed into the void

[balmy storm]

No, why would he ever be there.

[valid jolt]

Technically, no one knows Duviri exists(besides Drifter and Teshin). Not even Stalker

[balmy storm]

Well
Albrecht
But he’s a MAJOR exception lol

[valid jolt]

Yeye lol

[flat magnet]

Wdym by circumstance? It’s human that got infected alongside its mum

[balmy storm]

Stalker has no reason to go to the void, help us by bolting himself or even being in Duviri

[pseudo willow]

There really isn’t a reason I just like trying to make sense of things even though they arent that thought out

[spare nymph]

Pretty sure that stalker and jade were a couple before they got Warframe-ified

[pseudo willow]

I hope the paradox lets us play as an adult version of Sirius/Orion

Someday

[balmy storm]

I like how you think, making sense of this crazy game is fun
But Duviri Stalker is not our Stalker 😔

[balmy storm]

Why would the Paradox allow for that?

[flat magnet]

Yeah Ik, I was asking what circumstances would make the Babyframe different from a warframe?

[balmy storm]

Babyframe is infested and that’s all we truly know
Also it has the jade light

[spare nymph]

Yeah, but so did stalker

[balmy storm]

I’m banishing you to the void with Wally for 3.7 thousand years

[pseudo willow]

The paradox isn’t very precise in fact it’s rather wild, we see things in duviri that are from the Zariman which are likely manifestations of trauma considering their locations

[flat magnet]

No don’t I feel like he’d somehow befriend Wally

[balmy storm]

What
Stalker gained the jade light because of his child
Also he’s confirmed to be a frame, his child on the other hand is more complicated due to missing factors

[spare nymph]

Don't question me as half the fanbase wants to know this since the inception of Yareli

[flat magnet]

just jade light him to be safe

[valid jolt]

H u h

[balmy storm]

Real

[valid jolt]

This is why Yareli shouldn’t exist

[flat magnet]

I’m confused what makes Babyframe different from an original warframe?

[spare nymph]

Nor should Voruna's 4th

[balmy storm]

Okay but a future version of the baby is a different story entirely lol

[flat magnet]

Ik what type of man you are

[balmy storm]

We dont know how human it was before it was helminthed

[gray coral]

warframe are made using volunteers and or victims thrown into the helmith

[spare nymph]

Nuh uh

[valid jolt]

And Valkyrs first ability

[spare nymph]

I play Rhino P

[south wigeon]

frames aren't exactly born regardless

[south wigeon]

...wdym?

[balmy storm]

The child may not be feral

[pseudo willow]

Not really the void is almost omnipotent

[balmy storm]

No, It isn’t.

[spare nymph]

The frame itsself? The stalker didn't have a operator afaik

[flat magnet]

Yes the baby was as much a victim as Jade was because being turned into a warframe was also a form of punishment

[balmy storm]

The void reacts to concepts and emotions, it’s not sentient.

[pseudo willow]

It created a landscape from a persons brain and has ties to the multiverse that’s pretty strong

[gray coral]

yes but the fetus being effected by the helmith is a whole other story

[flat magnet]

Because this is the first time (that we know of) that a pregnant woman was infected with helminth

[south wigeon]

I don't get what you're saying, I'm referring to the baby

[gray coral]

the warframe power supply cant sustain two warframe lives at once

[spare nymph]

And i am refering to the stalker

[south wigeon]

yes, hence me saying the baby is unique and different from other Warframes due to circumstance

[balmy storm]

It’s strong yes but it requires others to do anything

[south wigeon]

I never said the Stalker had an operator

[flat magnet]

It can affect internal organs in can 100% affect fetus in a womb

[balmy storm]

The void doesn’t just do stuff for the heck of it

[pseudo willow]

Ok just for fun here’s a weak theory: kullervo knew stalker somehow and when he fell into duviri he created the warframes we have access to

[spare nymph]

Oh, looking back i think the cheese has gotten to my head.

[flat magnet]

Yeah I get that it’s unique but it’s still a warframe

[balmy storm]

The operator is how the drifter has access to the warframes

[pseudo willow]

We know it can create conceptual embodiment from conceptual embodiment that’s pretty close

[gray coral]

correct but this wasnt a possibility until now but.. it was for discussed in the past since parvos hints as if he knew about it

[pseudo willow]

Oh balls your right that’s explicitly stated too

[balmy storm]

I mean yeah but that’s still not the void doing anything by itself

[valid jolt]

I wonder what would happen if a psychopath went into the Void

[pseudo willow]

So then if we are the ones providing the drifter stuff does that mean at some point we get stalker as a warframe?

[balmy storm]

Void brings =/= the void

[south wigeon]

With enough differences, arguably not

[balmy storm]

I do like the theory of Kullervo knowing sorren though I’m not sure if it works timeline-wise
It might tho

[flat magnet]

Ahhh I just understood what you meant, as in how developed the fetus was right?

[balmy storm]

No, We don’t know where Duviri stalker comes from

[tiny horizon]

This mission has the the community split

[pseudo willow]

Kullervo probably did some crazy shi- in the origin system to end up in duviri, did he arrive before or after albrecht/teshin?

[gray coral]

if we are going off gameplay for this the baby is pure energy taken shape during the birth

[spare nymph]

Probably came out the same kind of warp as the drifter, but that's just a theory.

[floral condor]

If the man is wearing Excalibur protoarmor, what is the girl wearing?

[flat magnet]

Mag

[balmy storm]

Iirc it goes over when he entered, which was prior to the tenno
So before both albrecht and teshin

[flat magnet]

Also might not be wearing armour they might BE the armour themselves

[balmy storm]

They aren’t wearing it that’s their bodies

[spare nymph]

Aren't those the Protoframes? Idk the names

[balmy storm]

Wdym?

[balmy storm]

Yup

[flat magnet]

Arthur and Aoi

She was the one talking to us in whispers

[balmy storm]

We also know of a Quincy but not what frame he’s turning into

[flat magnet]

Most likely volt no?

[balmy storm]

Likely Volt but we’ll see

[pseudo willow]

Oh that’s interesting what if he was on trial with Ballas and he was in prison awaiting his trial but as an experiment they sent him into the void where they believed he’d either die or stay for an eternity thus that would explain Ballas as the warden

[flat magnet]

I wonder how many people are gonna choose Aoi for specific reasons if we get to choose

[floral condor]

Aren't they from darksector?

[flat magnet]

Nope

[balmy storm]

Kullervo’s hold is a conceptually embodied island that Kullervo created, the Warden is manifestation of his grief
I highly recommend reading his crimes

[flat magnet]

Dark sector inspired but completely different

[balmy storm]

Also fun fact: Kullervo had a crush on Ballas of all people

[flat magnet]

I’m glad I fed him to helminth after levelling

[pseudo willow]

🤮

[balmy storm]

Dark sector is disconnected from the Warframe universe

[balmy storm]

Is that barf cause Ballas or

[pseudo willow]

Duhhhh

[balmy storm]

Kullervo has terrible taste in men

[flat magnet]

Hell the whole game was inspired from dark sector but Arthur is probably a closer inspiration

[balmy storm]

I highly reccomend looking into dark sector just as a history lesson on Warframe
So many concepts are in that game

Also the origin of the infestation??

It was ||the US government||

[pseudo willow]

So maybe the isle is a manifestation of love feeling like a prison

[flat magnet]

Military in dark sector iirc?

[balmy storm]

No, its his guilt for his crimes

[flat magnet]

And Hayden was basically dying through out the game right?

[floral condor]

I know, but I thought they were going to connect them somehow.

[pseudo willow]

Or that too

[balmy storm]

I mean he did love Ballas hence why he’s feeling guilty for what he did
It’s complicated
Read his crimes lol

[balmy storm]

They aren’t and won’t

[flat magnet]

They’re too different to connect

[balmy storm]

Dark Sector is just a burning memory

[pseudo willow]

That’s so crazy he probably spent like 3 seconds in duviri and the isle manifested all artistically aware of its surroundings

[balmy storm]

Man flew in like a meteor iirc lmao

[flat magnet]

dark sector is more grounded and gritty warframe is more power based

[balmy storm]

Warframe is quite literally what Dark Sector wishes it could be

[gray coral]

favor and admiration of an Executor, <--- is this considered a crush lol

[balmy storm]

Yes lol

Kullervo was gay, this is known

[flat magnet]

Regardless it’s still a crime to admire him of all people

[gray coral]

lmao wild but okay

[floral condor]

Albrech doesn't really travel to 1999, right?

[pseudo willow]

Yep so the void probably is aware to some degree than right?

[valid jolt]

Nah he does

[flat magnet]

Unknown but probably just a conceptual embodiment of what he thinks 1999 was

[balmy storm]

No, the void is not conscious
It reacts but it isn’t a sentient being

The void reacted to Kullervo’s guilt and formed his hold

[floral condor]

So we really don't know who those two are or what they do, right?

[gray coral]

though a time machine can make the lore messy

[pseudo willow]

Hmmm so maybe like the memory of duviri mixed with kullervos emotions made the isle

[flat magnet]

They are people who volunteered after albrecht helped people with the plague and basically turned them into warframes

[balmy storm]

What memory of Duviri?
He had no info on Duviri
Kullervo fell into Duviri and his guilt was so strong that the void reacted and created his hold

[pseudo willow]

Considering they’re stories are both based around love and crimes I think stalker and kullervo would be great friends

[balmy storm]

Agreed

[flat magnet]

They would try to kill each other first

[gray coral]

Duviri itself can manifest anything if your emotions are strong enough

[pseudo willow]

Like the void saw where he landed and used duviri as reference for the prison architecture

[balmy storm]

Maybe, Kullervo never had a tenno
But Stalker doesn’t know that

[balmy storm]

He landed in Duviri so yeah lol

[flat magnet]

I’d imagine stalker would square up on sight and kullervo would fight back

[balmy storm]

Not Duviri specifically, the void can do that
Duviri is in the void

[thick jolt]

absolutely picturing when armstrong and curtis met for the first time in fullmetal alchemist brotherhood

[balmy storm]

He’d have to

[balmy storm]

Okay now this needs to happen

[flat magnet]

What would they be flexing instead of muscles tho

they’re weaponry?

[thick jolt]

maybe

[balmy storm]

Stalker with his Hate and Kullervo with his sword skin lmao

[thick jolt]

although we dont have it as an actual weapon kullervo does have a signature sword skin

[flat magnet]

Kullervo would just have different poses for each knife he has in him

[pseudo willow]

We see there are multiple kullervos do you think they’re just imprints and the original one escaped

[balmy storm]

Maybe they flex their teleportation powers on eachother

[flat magnet]

Like a weird waltz

[thick jolt]

was kinda imagining dbz at that point lol

[balmy storm]

I think it specifies what happened but his guilt and crimes fractured him
They’re all him but each serving for a different crime

[pseudo willow]

Ahh I see

[flat magnet]

Oh that makes more sense, idk why I went straight to dancing😭

[balmy storm]

Poor Kullervo ):

We can’t even save him, probably cause he doesn’t believe he can be saved

[thick jolt]

literal serving several life sentences

[balmy storm]

Wait he’s totally conscious and not feral too, why is the secret to a Warframe retaining sentience trauma )))):

[flat magnet]

Would you say he’s the original in there?

[pseudo willow]

Ok so here’s an idea: considering stalker lack of experience with warframes and his lack of experience with children he goes to the void to find relics to help his child and finds kullervo

[balmy storm]

Or rather very powerful emotions

[balmy storm]

Yes, they all are him they all are the original

[flat shadow]

The process of becoming a Warframe is quite traumatizing.

[pseudo willow]

One of kullervos cells is blasted does that mean one escaped?

[balmy storm]

Trauma prior/after being helminthed

[tiny horizon]

We need game theory to do a theory on this just to get a time line or something

[flat magnet]

Stalker has a lot of experience with warframes

He has like 9 heads in his cave

[balmy storm]

And it’s intense trauma / emotions too
Not just being turned into a monster

[pseudo willow]

Experience in killing them

[thick jolt]

that's a good point sirion might be the first non traumatized frame

that's considering stalker can raise them one word at a time

[pseudo willow]

Not raising or healing them as we have seen

[flat magnet]

Neat idk why I never considered him as another living original frame

[flat magnet]

Issue is there’s a vague idea of the timeline but not like how much time passed between events only on that’s somewhat clear is the time we start the game and the fall of the empire

[bronze glen]

I'm sure Sirion is not a Warframe

Otherwise he'd be a mortal Warframe

Ages and dies

[balmy storm]

I didn’t either or consider that he’s very possibly still conscious and aware similar to Stalker due to his intense emotions

[balmy storm]

Nothing suggests that lol

Just cause he’s birthed doesn’t mean he’s mortal

[bronze glen]

Half Human still

[balmy storm]

No?

I mean, as human as any other frame

[bronze glen]

She was pregnant before becoming Warframe

I'd say he's half

[pseudo willow]

He is the first of his kind born as a warframe and also I think he has a mouth considering the baby crying

[balmy storm]

If we assume he was a fetus when helminthed then he’s still as human as any other frame

[balmy storm]

Again, as much as any other frame lol

[thick jolt]

considering how many diseases can pass from the mother to the baby and considering how infestation works I'd say definetely not anymore

[pseudo willow]

Warframes were intentionally designed without proper mouths iirc

[balmy storm]

Sorion is as human as any other frame, nothing suggests otherwise

[flat shadow]

Warframes all start as human. There's no reason to assume Sirius retained more humanity than any other warframe.

[bronze glen]

Maybe he is the first completely sentient frame. Can talk and all.

Becomes a named NPC.

[thick jolt]

that is more plausible

[flat magnet]

Stalker can talk

[bronze glen]

It's still a very different circumstance

[thick jolt]

not really

[balmy storm]

It really isn’t, the only difference is he was born as a warframe

[bronze glen]

It's like a medium rare Warframe

[flat magnet]

I don’t understand what circumstance would make it completely different than a warframe

[flat shadow]

He was still infected, still changed. I don't see a difference.

[flat magnet]

Same

[thick jolt]

yup

[balmy storm]

I like the idea he has a mouth

Warframe with mouth 👁️👄👁️

[bronze glen]

Was he infected directly or through the mother is what I mean

Maybe if the infestation that carried over to the baby wasn't as potent and let him have his sanity

[flat magnet]

Imagine how much of an angsty teen he would be having a father like the stalker

[balmy storm]

Why would it be less potent?

[flat magnet]

Grendel in the corner crying

[bronze glen]

We literally don't know how DE is going to play with this. They can literally just kill the baby lmao

[flat shadow]

I expect if he kept his sanity, it's because his brain was still developing during the infestation process.

[bronze glen]

Affects the outer surface and not the inner completely?

[thick jolt]

that makes no sense

[balmy storm]

It does affect the insides what

[flat shadow]

EU laws make that more challenging than you would think.

[bronze glen]

Possible. Maybe Jade was incubating the baby all the time with her life force.

[flat magnet]

Infestation affects the internal organs it will not make a difference

[bronze glen]

It's not a human baby

[flat shadow]

Still a child.

[bronze glen]

Inb4 a new cult takes place: The Caretakers

[junior vine]

Any recommended arcanes for Jade?

[flat magnet]

Plus DE is only just slowly pushing out towards mature ratings I doubt they would jump in the deep end with dead Babyframe

[bronze glen]

Again, DE might bring out a new concept to justify the baby.

[flat shadow]

Please use #builds-discussion to ask for build advice.

[thick jolt]

but they dont need to

[bronze glen]

But they can

[flat magnet]

That would retcon a huge chunk of the lore behind helminth

[bronze glen]

Justification means there's no retconning

An exception

Like Umbra

Oh crap

Maybe Stalker and Umbra raise the baby together

One is a new father, one is a father who lost his child

[flat shadow]

That idea made me "Aww!"

[bronze glen]

Umbra teaching Stalker how to change diapers on the Orbiter and the operator just watches

Maybe Stalker moves in with us and Umbra

That'd be cool

[flat magnet]

I would be open to having Babyframe in my orbiter I have the mobile from grandmother he could play with

[flat shadow]

He did leave his lair with Hunhow. Maybe he did. The orbiter is big enough.

[bronze glen]

And the Railjack

[flat shadow]

RJ is a fighting ship. Baby does not belong there.

[flat magnet]

That’s kind of like taking care of a baby in a military vehicle

[bronze glen]

Orokin Crib as a decoration when

Then Stalker parks his Orbiter next to ours like the Railjack

[flat magnet]

The orbiter is like a camper van

[junior vine]

So does Umbra just Rome the ship?

[flat magnet]

Yeah lol

[junior vine]

How come I dont see him?

[bronze glen]

I mean the Railjack is parked above the Orbiter

So might as well park Stalker's beside it too

[flat magnet]

Because we’d probably be in mission

[bronze glen]

Lore wise he does, not gameplay wise

yet

We might hear something about it in Tennocon

[flat magnet]

You know he’s just gonna become a jumpscare like you’d dash to the back and umbra just walks past you

[flat shadow]

I'm ok with that.

[balmy storm]

Same

[bronze glen]

Pokemon Sleep but it's Warframe and we're raising the baby

[balmy storm]

Umbra absolutely uses the couch in our quarters

[flat shadow]

Prefer not. I don't need DE recording me talking in my sleep.

[bronze glen]

Umbra and Stalker bout to be best bros

[flat magnet]

I’ve just had a thought, imagine if he could somehow see Wally and instead of hearing hey kiddo it would just be umbra screaming trying to get rid of him

[bronze glen]

Then they use those voice lines in the next horror quest

[flat shadow]

That would be the only appropriate use.

[bronze glen]

Umbra can't see Wally

[flat magnet]

Ik that’s why I said imagine if

[balmy storm]

Wally seems to decide that

[bronze glen]

Now Umbra and Stalker playing a game of Othello?

And Stalker just flips the board

[balmy storm]

Wally would absolutely jumpscare Umbra for the lols

[flat magnet]

just walk down to the orbiter and all you hear is constant umbra scream

[bronze glen]

Umbra just hits him in the head like an old man

[balmy storm]

Let us play Komi with Umbra

[sonic cedar]

Stalker's hesitation during second dream makes more sense now that we know Stalker was an expecting dad

[flat magnet]

He didn’t know

[balmy storm]

He didnt know that though

[flat magnet]

He forgot about Jade

[balmy storm]

Jade Shadows is about him regaining those memories

He did however have those emotions

[bronze glen]

I mean, to be fair, Stalker threatening us in Jade Shadows is nothing considering the Operator can blast him to oblivion now lmao

[balmy storm]

Also a stab wouldnt kill us anyway lol

[bronze glen]

Operator is like: Alright let me play along

[flat shadow]

We sometimes react based on memories, even if we don't actually remember them.

[pseudo willow]

It’s so weird how we can forget information about an event and somehow the emotions surrounding it can persist

[balmy storm]

Mhm
Sometimes that’s called ✨trauma✨

[flat magnet]

brains are weird like that

[bronze glen]

We need some comfort for Hunhow too. Mans suggested good stuff to Stalker.

[pseudo willow]

That’s such an extreme example 😭

[balmy storm]

First lets cure his racism

[flat magnet]

And he’s lonely now

[bronze glen]

Hunhow is regretting everything and just wants peace at this point

[balmy storm]

[pseudo willow]

He’s racist?

[flat shadow]

Perhaps, but accurate.

[balmy storm]

He calls us and all humans Orokin

[bronze glen]

I think he doesn't mind the Tenno anymore

He's a lot more 'civil'

[balmy storm]

True, we’ll see

[flat magnet]

Tolerant would be the word

[balmy storm]

He’s more tolerant of humans now that he’s both lived with one and teamed up with one

[pseudo willow]

Meh thats more ignorance or refusal to accept reality

[bronze glen]

I mean he isn't all "I WILL DESTROY YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU LOVE AND WANT"

anymore

He's like "let's think about this fellas"

[balmy storm]

That’s racism, ignorance

[bronze glen]

To be fair, he doesn't know any humans besides the Orokin since birth

[balmy storm]

Hunhow is def growing and I’m here for it

[bronze glen]

Nobody gave him a history lesson

[balmy storm]

True

Thats why we have to help grandpa to not be racist

His ignorance blinded him

[flat magnet]

Idk I don’t think it’s that simple, he deffo has deep rooted hate towards humans so that’s why I think he tolerates us instead

[bronze glen]

He's a war veteran, doesn't know the modern slang

[pseudo willow]

He has been at the bottom of the ocean so it probably doesn’t register how much has changed

[junior vine]

I'm gonna say it the "So many tenno have come together to help Jade" hits hard

[balmy storm]

He does have a deep rooted hate towards all humanity but that’s due to the Orokin
He’s tolerating us and it’s possible he’ll see we aren’t all bad

[bronze glen]

I mean, humans are rare to come by.

Which begs the question, what the heck are Cetus-ians?

They do not look like other humans

[balmy storm]

We also took his daughter from him kinda so he isnt happy about that either
But he got over it toootally

[bronze glen]

Our mom

[flat magnet]

Speaking of which, the fact that he’s somewhat okay despite the water pressure on top of him shows the adaptation of sentients

[flat magnet]

They’re humans

[balmy storm]

Yeah, I mean she made the choice ultimately and he couldn’t accept that same as Erra but they can and are learning

[bronze glen]

I mean the humans in the relays look different

[pseudo willow]

Considering the centuries that passed they’re probably a far off human subspecies evolved to travel space or perhaps live in the neo-ecosystems of earth

[balmy storm]

Ignorance and rage blinded them

[bronze glen]

I assume Dax aren't human

[pseudo willow]

They’re probably the most human looking ones in warframe actually

[flat magnet]

Not everyone looks the same, they’ve probably been isolated for a while so their facial structures would be very different

[prime lantern]

Everyone is human

[balmy storm]

Grineer, Corpus, Solaris, Entrati, Orokin, Cetusians, everyone is human except for
Wally and the Sentients
Even Cephalons are human, even if it’s just their minds they are human minds.

[junior vine]

When you go to ordis as Jade are there any unique voicelines?

[prime lantern]

Yes

[bronze glen]

Now see they look like humans buuut

How is Varzia alive

[prime lantern]

He says "hello operator,hello jade"

[bronze glen]

Even after centuries

[prime lantern]

Cryopod

[balmy storm]

Cryosleep

[flat magnet]

You should’ve read Jade shadow chat Im convinced the dude that went against this was baiting

[pseudo willow]

The orokin are asymmetrical, the grineer suffer from clone rot and the corpus . . . Well actually they’re kinda normal too

[flat shadow]

She wsa in a cryopod

[bronze glen]

Teshin as well?

[balmy storm]

Yes

[junior vine]

Huh, I thought that was normal🤣🤣🤣

[balmy storm]

Also the human lifespan has changed drastically, Darvo is over 100 and still a teen iirc lmao

Everyone is human.

[bronze glen]

Vampires I tell you

[balmy storm]

No

[prime lantern]

Human life span is roughly 1000 years

[balmy storm]

I mean Lotus was that one time

[bronze glen]

And then we have Unum

[balmy storm]

Unum is uh. Something

[bronze glen]

Literally don't know what she is but can stop time

[flat magnet]

Now wait, there is a possibility that the orokin reading old texts designed their next bodies to be vampire like

[balmy storm]

We dont have enough info on her

[bronze glen]

And has multiple voices

[balmy storm]

Other than the Unum is gay and can see all possibilities

[flat magnet]

And somehow able to stop time in the normal world

[balmy storm]

Does not make them vampires

[flat magnet]

Close enough

[bronze glen]

Stopping time in an area. That's even more impressive

[balmy storm]

Can’t wait for Unum’s Mirror in 2 years

[flat magnet]

Yeah limbo’s time stop looks like a party trick compared to what unum did

[balmy storm]

We love Unum
Happy pride month you time meat tower

[bronze glen]

Will we get to eat Unum meat?

[balmy storm]

We can have it as a decoration

And the cetus guy in our camp is probably cooking some up

[bronze glen]

I mean, what is that meat

[junior vine]

Ordis is cold🤣🤣🤣

[flat magnet]

I wonder who in the orokin decided Yk what let’s make our buildings out of flesh

[bronze glen]

Is it natural, synthetic

[balmy storm]

yes

[bronze glen]

It's orokin

[balmy storm]

synthetic likely as it’s an Orokin creation

[bronze glen]

That's the least weirdest thing

[lusty basin]

Flesh regrows

[balmy storm]

The Orokin made multiple flesh towers

[lusty basin]

Less maintenance

[bronze glen]

Inb4 it's another infestation strain but safe to eat.

Infestation beef

[balmy storm]

Unum is the last of her kind and she lost her girlfriend 😢

[prime lantern]

Unum is rather interesting

[bronze glen]

Imagine what Unum's tower smells like from the inside with all that meat

[flat magnet]

Oh no it’s genius, but like you wouldn’t feel uneasy walking inside a living thing that looks like a building?

[lusty basin]

A lot of Orokin things make me uneasy

[bronze glen]

Unum is the most mysterious character yet because we literally don't know anything about what she is

[balmy storm]

the orokin make me uneasy

[flat magnet]

I’m glad that it was just the towers they made out of flesh

[bronze glen]

I mean, Ballas got that elongated arm because of beauty

[balmy storm]

I’m inclined to agree, at least we know what Wally wants to some extent

[flat magnet]

God imagine how horrific lua would’ve looked

[bronze glen]

What if Unum is somehow related to Wally

[balmy storm]

Now that might be

[lusty basin]

I get it, I get why, it's weird as hell, but I do get it.

[bronze glen]

A being with void powers and she's literally using tranference on that entire tower

[balmy storm]

I theorize this story is about the Unum, Albrecht and ofc Wally

https://youtu.be/qbIg10RLC7g?si=LGbLz3mhzij-nCc5

This story is from the Zariman arg btw

[lusty basin]

Heck, if you look at Orokin structures in space, with the Railjack, they are flesh too

[balmy storm]

The princess is the Unum, the old man is Albrecht, the moon is potentially the Orokin or Albrecht’s late wife? It’s unclear and Wally’s character is obvious once you hear it

[lusty basin]

I can see that

[flat magnet]

Also you’d have to imagine being the person trying to pitch flesh buildings instead of the standard buildings

[bronze glen]

They probably got promoted

[lusty basin]

I can see the Unum being the Princess of Mirrors

[bronze glen]

It's the Orokin, they approved a pregnant Warframe

[balmy storm]

They’re probably one of the seven

[lusty basin]

I thought similar to you as well

[flat magnet]

Then again, they were running out of resources

[bronze glen]

Whatever Orokin created, the creations just hated Orokin

[balmy storm]

Pokedude I def recommend watching that vid
It’s a great story and feels relevant for later

[bronze glen]

I will

I have it bookmarked

[balmy storm]

They have the worst track record at making stuff that actually likes them

[lusty basin]

Though I realized Albrecht fit the old man later

[balmy storm]

Nice, I hope you enjoy

[lusty basin]

A number of people tried to tell me the princess was Wally but I didn't get their reasoning at all.

[bronze glen]

Orokin are the worst man lmao

Glad they're dead

[balmy storm]

I think the Moon is representative of the Orokin the story because of how Albrecht was feeling before he stepped into the void

[bronze glen]

Wally looks like anything but a princess

[lusty basin]

Right?

[balmy storm]

Wally is literally at the end huh

[lusty basin]

And Wally doesn't fear anything

[bronze glen]

Fear? He doesn't know anything but amusement

[lusty basin]

He is the fear

[balmy storm]

The day he fears us is a good day indeed

[bronze glen]

I hope we don't get the oh Wally is the weakest of his race bs

[flat magnet]

Imagine how strong we would be by then

[lusty basin]

Oh I hope not

[bronze glen]

He needs to be presented as a bigger than God threat

[balmy storm]

I hope we know voidtongue

[flat magnet]

Cuss him out in his own language

[balmy storm]

real

[lusty basin]

Wally has the biggest bad vibes

[bronze glen]

Wally: Vome Ris Xata Lohk

Operator: no u

[flat magnet]

That would be so boring and underwhelming

[balmy storm]

Wally: you mara lohk

Operator: nuh uh

[bronze glen]

I mean, even Witness was a being of the same universe in Destiny

[balmy storm]

Agreed

[bronze glen]

Wally is literally just something beyond

[balmy storm]

I’m still questioning why Wally wants an army of literal ghosts (the angels)

[bronze glen]

To see us fighting them

[balmy storm]

Also I’m totally expecting him to drop our parents as angels on us to just muck us up

[bronze glen]

It's all entertainment to him

[flat magnet]

New boss fight

[lusty basin]

You want to know something funny? Early in Warframe, Like 2018, I looked at the void and I went "The Void is an Eldritch being and I'm 99% sure it is alive" and I was told "Nah, it is just clouds man"

[bronze glen]

I'm sure he watched the Orokin die with Amusement

[flat magnet]

Objective: Survive

[balmy storm]

Eeeh, he has goals and a motive
It isnt purely for the funny

[bronze glen]

Bro Wally is in 1999, he won't have internet

[balmy storm]

He sees the bigger picture and knows where to put what

[bronze glen]

He is the bigger picture

[balmy storm]

Wally with Internet access is terrifying

[bronze glen]

Wally but he just goes to the dark web

He is the dark web

[lusty basin]

Peeps were seeing clouds then and I was seeing reaching appendages.

[balmy storm]

Wally is not the bigger picture
His motives become clearer the more we know of him
He wants his finger so he is no longer restrained
And he wants what we have, to be unique, to have a sense of self
And we owe him one if not both of those

[flat magnet]

I replayed whispers recently and I completely forgot the implications of both albrecht (Wally?) and Wally at the end of it can someone remind me?

[bronze glen]

I mean, I'd be pissed if somebody visited my house without telling me and left with my index finger

[balmy storm]

He left with more than his index finger

[lusty basin]

Now, I am thinking, the massive form we see at the end of TNW seems to be his chosen form, and the lesser "children" forms are emenations.

[balmy storm]

Wally’s first ever action was trying to be someone else
He wants what we got, to be someone

[bronze glen]

He goes back in time, prevents DE from creating Dark Sector and Warframe. Boom.

[lusty basin]

We also know he gains influence from being known

[balmy storm]

He takes that form cause he was referred to as the man in the wall by rell
He thinks its funny but he’s also only capable of having these forms because of others

[bronze glen]

And he knows everything about the person whose form he takes

[balmy storm]

Wally has no true form, he’s unoriginal, he isn’t unique, he has no real sense of self

[bronze glen]

He's indifferent

[balmy storm]

I mean maybe everything
Its not known

[flat magnet]

Not just the person everything the person knows too

[balmy storm]

He def pulls from the minds of those he chooses to get in contact with

It’s still sus he showed up for Yonta

[flat magnet]

You think he got bored?

[balmy storm]

No

[bronze glen]

Void is also massively weird considering it gave form to damn story from a book and made into reality

[balmy storm]

He has a plan for what he does, but he thinks its funny cause he sees the larger picture of things

[bronze glen]

Or maybe his plan is entertainment

[lusty basin]

Well, I state it is his "chosen form" as his main representation, as it is what is drawn everywhere on the Zariman. So, multiple people witnessed him in this form either in nightmares or something else.

[balmy storm]

It just does that don’t worry
void + concept / emotion = thing

[flat magnet]

Yonta was a failing Archimedean, who was desperate for Zariman to work could’ve been to stress her out and manipulate her into forcing the jump?

[bronze glen]

Maybe he's a 5 dimensional being that just appears like a 'man in the wall' since we can only perceive 3D

[lusty basin]

It's kinda like Gozer

[balmy storm]

Wally is likely the way he is because of how Albrecht felt when he entered the void

[balmy storm]

He showed up just to taunt her on the day of the jump

[bronze glen]

I mean to be fair, he is more than 3 dimensions

[prime lantern]

As pointed out to me in a conversation with another person he can't be 4d or above physically

Mathematicly maybe

[bronze glen]

Void is 4th dimension

[balmy storm]

Wally takes the form of the man in the wall because Rell called him that
Wally has no true form, he isn’t original, he quite literally has to rely on other things to be anything

[prime lantern]

But he's being restrained by time which is impossible for a 4d being

[balmy storm]

The irony is even if he took someone’s entire self he still wouldn’t be unique lmao

[lusty basin]

As we've apparently found out, trying to escape through time is also pointless

[bronze glen]

Because time is the 5th dimension

[prime lantern]

It's not

[bronze glen]

And with 1999 he has achieved fifth dimensionality

[rain otter]

Yeah I always hate when like a cosmic being or even a shape shifter or something has a "true from"

[bronze glen]

It's not but this is fiction

[rain otter]

Always feels werid.

[warm scaffold]

I thought he followed albrecht to 1999 or am i stupid

[lusty basin]

I never said "true form"

[balmy storm]

1999 is likely a conceptually embodied timeline not time travel but we shall seeee

[prime lantern]

He did but he's still being restrained by time

[lusty basin]

I said "chosen form"

[bronze glen]

This is going to be bonkers

[prime lantern]

He's acausal so to say

[flat magnet]

Like I said earlier what would him having two separate forms visible at the same time imply? Seeing as though he’s only ever had one form everytime he was noticed

[warm scaffold]

Oh

[prime lantern]

Time is the direction of causality in warframe

[balmy storm]

Agreed, Wally doesn’t have a true form but he wants one
a form all to himself, a self
Whatever that may be

[valid jolt]

Ngl Wally and Sukuna have some similarities lol. They both need all their fingers in order to be really powerful

[prime lantern]

Being acausal or unbound by regular causality let's you do wonky things with time

[rain otter]

A would say a conduit or permanent host but sure.

[warm scaffold]

What happens if someone eats one

[lusty basin]

Lets hope if we ever do fight Wally, it isn't an overextended mess of a terrible fight.

🤣

[valid jolt]

Who knows

[warm scaffold]

Could that be what the deal was

[lusty basin]

"Oh, wow! Stalker is joining in the fight... aaaaand he got oneshot."

[balmy storm]

Well that’s the thing, if he pulls from someone else he doesn’t actually have a unique form that’s his, not a true sense of self

[balmy storm]

I’ve still convinced myself he wants our Oro and our light was representative of that exact thing

His response to us offering our light is very specific

[lusty basin]

Hm...

[warm scaffold]

What to give him life or sum

[balmy storm]

A sense of self, an actual identity of his own

[lusty basin]

Part of me is thinking that giving up a part of himself was never accidental.

It actually means a piece of him will always be manifested on this side

[balmy storm]

Oro is complicated and weird and it’s still mostly theorized as to what it is so we shall see
The light could’ve been represented of just our sense of self and not Oro specifically

[warm scaffold]

Fair

[lusty basin]

See, from what we've seen of Wally, is that he's constantly playing the long game

He is in no rush

[floral belfry]

there's a reason why he is associated with "indifference", his goals are probably beyond our comprehension

[late stirrup]

I cannot believe that the stalker is officially a dilf
I'm crying
The day has finally come

[late stirrup]

Once we finally discover what his long con is, it'll most likely be far too late

[lusty basin]

Maybe not "beyond our comprehension" but definitely something that is a slow cooking process that he's certain won't fail.