spoiler-chat

[valid jolt]

I’m pretty sure they have a lore reason for existing

[junior vine]

Most likely and they aren't like the warframes we know their bodies are from the Grey strain another strain of helminth that allows the person to still have control over humanity

[pliant saffron]

Messed up thought.... head transplant

[junior vine]

Nah

I'm honestly wondering if the desert like area of sanctum is some type of void in tau

Got me wondering because of Wally showing up after Ballas opened the gate to Tau

[balmy storm]

Maybe, but why would she have them and not arthur?

[valid jolt]

Nah that’s just Wallys influence over Albrechts labs

The labs are still in Deimos

[valid jolt]

Maybe they’re hidden by his hair. But if he doesn’t, thennn idk lol

[prime lantern]

They don't use gray strain in 1999 unless something new has been revealed

[balmy storm]

He doesn’t, idk why they’d need somatics at all so 🤷‍♀️

[valid jolt]

We’ll see when the quest comes out lol

[junior vine]

We can clearly use Transference on them though

And if anybody tries to argue and say you can't. Go back and look at a part of whispers in the walls

[valid jolt]

The Operator didn’t actually pilot Arthur during that 1999 segment. The Operator was just seeing Arthurs pov

[balmy storm]

Yes but that has nothing to do with them having somatics…
The tenno aren’t in 1999, the protoframes are

There’s no reason for the 1999 crew to have or use transference

[valid jolt]

.

[balmy storm]

What else would they be used for?

[valid jolt]

Find out when the quest comes out. Or maybe at Tennocon

[balmy storm]

Somatics only have one known purpose, transference
It’s more likely the metal on Aoi is just metal bits for style

[valid jolt]

But I could also be wrong about this whole thing and Aoi just has those on for armor or whatever reason

[near rune]

Tend to agree

[valid jolt]

I’m more curious about whether or not there’s a 1999 Volt

[rain otter]

we know of 1 more character

they might be be the volt.

[valid jolt]

Was there name said during Whispers?

[rain otter]

no.

[valid jolt]

F

[rain otter]

it was on the site of 1999.

I forget his name.

[near rune]

Yeah, the name ||Quincy ||was mentioned.

[rain otter]

there we go.

[junior vine]

We still used transference. I'm gonna use Ballas as an example. He says the tenno were just the minds and Arthur says "Aoi it feels like there's someone in my head"

Ballas talks about the tenno being the mind in the vitruvian entry during the sacrifice

[valid jolt]

Fair enough. Hopefully it gets brought back up and explained during 1999 if that isn’t the case

[junior vine]

Glad I don't need to share more

Especially because I gladly would

But how could the tenno have moved the warframe while being choked unless the warframe managed to move because of the operator being in trouble which i feel like isn't likely because the warframe would've saved the tenno before Ballas stabbed us

[junior vine]

Ballas stabbing us-New war scene within the heart of praghasa

That's what I'm still confused about😭

[near rune]

I think the warframe removing the War sword was a survival instinct, like a reflex. It wasn't the Operator doing it nor was it evidence of conscious warframe activity. The warframe protected itself as best as it could. That's just my personal theory though.
Were this to be true, then it also makes sense why the warframe didn't intervene during The New War – it wasn't in immediate danger.

[junior vine]

True

I'm sure someone will eventually figure it out

[balmy storm]

I think what would confirm it is seeing our frame react to another survival situation without us

[junior vine]

Even with awakening the tenno was controlling the warframe just from the reservoir

[balmy storm]

Yeah, I’m aware?

[junior vine]

So what do you mean by another?

[balmy storm]

Another intense survival situation where the tenno dont have control of the frame and the frame is in danger, like during the second dream

Our frame and us waking from cryo is not that kind of situation since we’re in control of the frame

[prime lantern]

Things don't need somatics or a transference bolt for them to be transferenced into

The gen 1 rhino had neither and a tenno transfered into it

[balmy storm]

Hopefully they’ll explain what exactly is happening with transference for 1999
Cause we do seem to use it on the vessel which connects to their respective 1999 person (maybe?)

[astral gazelle]

why are they replacing stalkers voice actor?

[nova harness]

Wdym?

[undone lodge]

Stalker’s getting voiced by Gianni Matragano in Jade Shadows

[covert tree]

Is this my blood

[undone lodge]

Yes

[nova harness]

But who voices him currently couldn’t it be the same person?

[scarlet basalt]

Most likely : The quest will focus on him finding his operator "finding himself" metaphorically and not. Him having a cleaner voice will also make a big difference and make a lot of sense because he will "find himself"

Gianni is such a good pick, such an icon

[obtuse gyro]

Transference stream was diverted, we didnt actually transfer into the vessel

[tawdry socket]

Honestly as suitable as current Stalker's voice is for the role he plays, the man also has like less than a minute of total speaking time throughout the entire game, and it doesn't sound like a very comfortable voice to be keeping up recording for an entire cinematic quest, and as Elfeist said there's also likely the Operator aspect to it

[scarlet basalt]

How the

[tawdry socket]

@ionic sleet loid slacking

[nova harness]

<@&778745217037238293>

[tawdry socket]

nm

[scarlet basalt]

The fact that DE iirc specifically said that we're entering void arc make me think that it's...Funny that this isn't called the final arc ?
Like it means that maybe there will be more ?

[tawdry socket]

This is a live service game

[rain otter]

Like Insaiyan said live service game.

[tawdry socket]

Bungie adamantly refuse that The Final Shape isn't their final Destiny expansion ever, if Warframe will continue to have a playerbase then DE will always find a way to make more stories

[rain otter]

I would like a actually alien enemy. Cuz the sentients are still from the Orokin so is access to the Void. Like a actual alien enemy from not anywhere we knew would be cool.

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, make me think what will be the next step, i guess the corpus since it's literally explicitely said in our face with so much lore from it
Like styanax, the founder,etc...

[tawdry socket]

the Murmur have the potential to really give some truly alien vibes

[nova harness]

It’s not hard to make 2 different voices as a VA I just wanna know who voices him currently as it could be a different person until we know that fact

[scarlet basalt]

I wouldn't be surprised if warframe will go after void arc onto the corpus arc and make it very wild

[tawdry socket]

Knowing how DE tended to have a lot of in-house VAs do small roles rather than hire out someone, it could very well be the voice director or whoever doing it at the time if it was needed

[rain otter]

Yeah but the Void is still connected to the Orokin in a way. I want a truly not seen until now invader.

[scarlet basalt]

Ngl
I always thought that it was weird that pazuul say that there is a hierarchy in Tau system :
The tau lord > The sentient > us
So ngl i always thought that tau lord are alien but it could also not be

[tawdry socket]

The Void existed as like, a primordial force of the universe long before the Orokin tho

It could totally be possible that the Tau Lord or whatever are the natives to the Tau System

[nova harness]

There are no aliens in Warframe and DE did it that way on purpose

[tawdry socket]

Since our only real source of information about Tau is from the sentients themselves

That said I don't expect us to ever leave the Origin system even if DE somehow get desperate for new storylines 20 years down the line or whatever

[scarlet basalt]

IIRC orokin only said that there is an origin system but never said if there is life in here
There was a codex lore that was talking about weird ship (which are thought to be murex, but idkkk the description really feels like it was different) and a jump to tau iirc

[rain otter]

The lords of tau aren't natives. But anyway.

[tawdry socket]

We know that for a fact?

And like FACT fact and not "Facts coming from Unreliable Narrator Pazuul" facts?

[rain otter]

The jump to tau was using the solar Rail.

[rain otter]

I think Natah talks about it.

And I think we heard the term "Sentient lords of Tau"

[scarlet basalt]

Pazuul: "Above, the Lords of Tau. Below, my people. Below them, yours. And I, I shall serve as shepherd and minister."
I'm searching for more quote about this but currently only this ?

"My father severed the worlds, sundered the link we had forged with Tau in the days of our enslavement. In the darkness beyond the veil, we waited. The Lords of Tau were silent."
idk i don't find much

Maybe, if they are still sentient, they would be the closest to "aliens" as they are very far from orokin design, so very far from design of the sentient ?

[rain otter]

I mean the beast lords before they where archons where all based on extinct Earth animals. Also I wouldn't doubt current Tua sentients being far removed from the ones we fight anyway cuz its been over 1000 years since any of then even saw us. We have only fought like 1 mahor Sentients Force. (3-4 if you wanna be technical)

[scarlet basalt]

What if next generation of archon are based on Tau's animals

what if

[rain otter]

That's literally not true what I said was confirmed.

[scarlet basalt]

"next generation" 😭

[rain otter]

Also the beast lords were sentients before they where archons.

[scarlet basalt]

Imagine if somehow sentient create new weird archon lmao or beast lord

[rain otter]

Like a archon is literally taking a dead body of a sentient and putting it on something.

But I understand what you mean now.

[scarlet basalt]

But i wouldn't be surprised if they would change the sentient design if tau was ever a place to go post void arc for some reason

but it would also be surprising if they change it ngl

[rain otter]

I already said that wouldn't be werid to me.

Cuz the sentients we fight are just hunhows.

That's it. The Eidolons are the only ones that are from a different Sentient and they look wildly different than anything hunhow has.

And all the tau sentients have been disconnected from us and the war and everything since hunhow destroyed the origin side of the solar Rail to Tua in the old war.

[nova harness]

Even when we do Archon hunts?

[rain otter]

Erras and thus a off shoot of hunhow.

[junior vine]

Wasn't the Ram the one who had control over the entire system in the beginning?

[rain otter]

beginning?

if you mean the new war that was Erra not the ram.

[junior vine]

Nope, before the Archons were created

Before the sentients even existed

[rain otter]

the Ram is a sentient.

What

all the like head parts of the archons are sentients that died and where then put on a body later.

[junior vine]

Nvm, I completely wrote that wrong. Before the start of the old war

[rain otter]

idk

[junior vine]

Before the sentients were the way we know them

[rain otter]

he seems to be very crazy even before he was a archon. Like there is reason he wasn't like made into a archon.

[junior vine]

Yeah

I mean all we know for sure is that Pazuul took over Erra's body

[rain otter]

i don't think he was a "lord of tau" just a "beast lord made" from a book of old extinct terra (earth) spieces.

[near rune]

Pazuul says that the Ram ruled over the other Sentients (likely under Hunhow's and Praghasa's overlordship), but then again he's not super reliable, given that Pazuul is the Ram.

[junior vine]

True

[rain otter]

yeah.

[junior vine]

Yeah

So at this time he's probably meaning after Narmer spread throughout the origin system

[rain otter]

when narmer took over the system

it was normal erra.

The Ram died in the old war.

[junior vine]

I said after

The ram took over Erra's body after he died in the new war

[rain otter]

after the end of it even but yeah.

[junior vine]

That's why I said "after narmer spread throughout the system"

[rain otter]

yee

I just like being specific.

[junior vine]

Narmer still has a bit of control over the system but in the form of Pazuul

[cloud badge]

what's going on here

[tranquil slate]

https://tenor.com/view/breakfast-gif-25806686

[junior vine]

How'd I know it was coming🤣🤣🤣

[tranquil slate]

I saw the perfect opportunity 🤣

[junior vine]

Fr

[winter gate]

Truly and old gem

[ruby pumice]

Wow when was the last time they asked the community to not spoil like this

[real niche]

The last major update.

[ruby pumice]

I dont remember the new war having this repetition of "dont spoil" announcements

[thick jolt]

One is the actual announcement the other is the automated bot that just reposts links

[ruby pumice]

Right

[real niche]

The last major update was actually Duviri

Or Whispers, forgot if that was considered "major"

#announcements message There was this announcement for TNW at least

And then like two other "please use spoilers" after that

[thick jolt]

And the update specific chat as well

[valid jolt]

Wish DE kept the ARG chat

[junior vine]

Being able to make the drifters eyes completely black is nice

[balmy storm]

So what exactly is happening?
We transfer into the vessel and the stream gets diverted to the respective 1999 person?

[near rune]

That was my interpretation. I think it's clear that we were intended to Transfer into the Vessel, but Loid said the stream was diverted.

I wonder if that means each Vessel is associated with an individual from 1999. Given the number of Vessels seen in the various tiles of the labs, that would mean Dr Entrati had a very large number of patients, especially if some of them weren't successful.

[foggy stirrup]

my theory is that stalker fked jade and got her preggers. from what the patch notes and what they showed of makes sense.

the new mission target also looks like an incubator

[balmy storm]

Doesn’t he saw in his notes he took samples from the 1999 crew and put it in the vessels?
I wonder if thats important for the transference stream diversion

[near rune]

Yes

[valid jolt]

Would make sense. It created a reaction with the Operator which led to them seeing 1999

[foggy stirrup]

gonna nick name it. "stalker baby"

[nova harness]

As their loyal doctor, I have taken repeated samples from them. The sight of their Technocyte-riddled cells mutating gave me fresh visions. I could take this material, work with it, forge new creations. Eagerly I brought the samples back to Deimos and began to cultivate them

[balmy storm]

I’m so excited to find out more

[valid jolt]

1999 is also just gonna give us more questions than answers lol

[nova harness]

As all quests do

You can’t have question without quest

[valid jolt]

True dat

Hopefully it also goes more into the Strands of Khra

[nova harness]

If it doesn’t I’m banning Wally from Warframe

[valid jolt]

Fair enough

Stalker is Jade confirmed?

Or is this just promotional stuff for the new accessories

[rain otter]

That's super cool art.

[valid jolt]

More Stalker lore btw https://www.warframe.com/news/the-stalker-a-warframe-retrospective

[rain otter]

Ohhhh they are talking about the Naga drums.

[valid jolt]

So the Low Guardians were a mysterious caste of bodyguards

[near rune]

Oh yo nice

So nothing really new, but just reinforcing what we already know, which is still nice

[valid jolt]

Interestinggg

[rain otter]

Yeah FLASHBACK TIME

I think we are gonna have sacrifice like flashbacks.

[valid jolt]

Plsslslslls be the ceremony of Naga Drums

[rain otter]

I think Parvos is gonna be the one attacking Stalkers home in the "ascension" game mode.

[balmy storm]

Parvos wants that jade light

[rain otter]

Yeah or just jade.

[balmy storm]

Little does he know the Nukor also exists lmao

[pale ravine]

Seems he prob witnessed jade with the naga drums at the ceremony

[balmy storm]

Probably, he witnessed the whole event

We better get to see it

[nova harness]

Stalker funny for the first time ever

[rain otter]

Reverse that.

[rain otter]

I don't think he's gonna make any jokes but but Gianni is gonna make Stalker memes I can see it.

[pale ravine]

Jade witnessed stalker?

[rain otter]

Stalker and jade witnessed the Naga drums.

[balmy storm]

It just connected for me who he is
w h a t

[rain otter]

He is a Va

He does a lot of Actual VA rolls.

[nova harness]

Your choice of breathing my air has consequences

[balmy storm]

Ye

[pale ravine]

I noticed they didn't mention stalker's identity crisis in the 2nd dream part of the retrospective text, maybe because it was a one time deal

[rain otter]

they kinda talk about it in the hunhow Stalker talk.

https://www.warframe.com/news/the-reapers-lament

This.

[pale ravine]

I interpret the "You know that you have run the gamut and come up short." part at the end as the stalker being pretty sure he isn't a tenno

But the wording is pretty confusing

[rain otter]

have you read this?

idk if you mean this or like the artcile we jsut talked about.

[polar bear]

Now this runs deep

[pale ravine]

could also be that he tried but didn't find anything

[nova harness]

Best bit is this imo
STALKER: LET THEM COME.

Hunhow: They will, my Shadow. I only hope you are prepared. Your actions have consequences…

[rain otter]

yeah this has been here for a while though if you go to the jade shadows page you can click the stalker symbol that appears to see this.

[polar bear]

Ik I’m going broke

[rain otter]

lul

[nova harness]

Hunhow best Space Grandad for this

STALKER: LET THEM COME.

Hunhow: They will, my Shadow. I only hope you are prepared. Your actions have consequences…

[valid jolt]

Stalker:

[foggy stirrup]

*fked Jade

[valid jolt]

Don’t think that’s possible lol

[nova harness]

I’d rather block that thought

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-trash-seal-dr-dolittle-dolittle-gif-15298225

[amber terrace]

Something I just realized. Given that Jade Shadows is about a post New War Stalker, we’re probably gonna get lines from the Origin System’s best DILF, Hunhow

[nova harness]

We already got new lines

[amber terrace]

Spoken lines, hopefully

TNW Hunhow made me more confident in my bisexuality tbh. Something about “Vainglorious whelp” just clicked in my head

[late shuttle]

am i allowed to ask a question for devs about jade shadows? im super duper curious about something and i havent been able to ask in the streams coz life has been taking up my time lol as life does haha

[rain otter]

you can't @ devs or anything but if you have a question one of us can maybe answer it.

[nova harness]

You can ask a question for the devs you might not get an answer also you can only @ them if they are participating in chat

[late shuttle]

understood, i felt i should double check as i didnt want to be a neusance or a bother

[rain otter]

what is your question? it might be easy to answer.

[late shuttle]

no shame in double checking if ur not sure

[late shuttle]

ill put a spoiler just for those who dont want to see just to be safe

[rain otter]

okay

if it's a lore question i will probably have a answer. the answer might be we don't know but you will get an answer.

[late shuttle]

so with jade shadows. ||could it be possible that she is what the stalkers used to be before corruption? or are the stalkers just a seperate entity all together independant of teno like jade?||

yeah its lore question

im a matt pat at heart lol

[valid jolt]

Interesting theory

[amber terrace]

Stalker is a single individual, that just so happens to be a former low guardian of the Orokin, basically second rate bodyguards

[valid jolt]

Who weren’t known by the public

[foggy stirrup]

||stalker fked jade and she got knocked up and thats why we getting 2 auro slots for her.||

[late shuttle]

||is jade higher rank?||

[thick jolt]

We dont know

[valid jolt]

Jade is a Warframe. Thats all we know about her, until Jade Shadows comes out

[late shuttle]

uuuh....

[amber terrace]

So far as we know, Jade is just a standard Tenno that somehow got lost in Uranus’ oceans

[thick jolt]

Hell low guardian might not even be about being low rank but being subtle or stealthy

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-lost-your-mind-gif-2823246032232957228

[valid jolt]

Yea I agree with that

[foggy stirrup]

if my fanfic is right ima go gamble in a casino.

[nova harness]

It won’t be

[foggy stirrup]

bet

I got 10p to my name

[late shuttle]

||i wonder if jade will have independant thought like umbra||

[nova harness]

I’ll give you 50 more if it’s true

Which it won’t

[foggy stirrup]

I'll hold you to that.

[late shuttle]

u really think so?

[late shuttle]

how do u think i feel, i have 9

[valid jolt]

Mhm. It’s also the opposite theory of mine lol. I think stalker turns into Jade at the end of the quest

[amber terrace]

Certainly not. Umbra’s ability to act independently from an Operator is built from the ground up by Ballas to eternally torment the Dax that eventually became Umbra. Also, this is spoilers chat, you don’t necessarily need to spoiler tag every post

[rain otter]

probably not.

[late shuttle]

spoiler tags deadpan

[rain otter]

you keep saying this you should probably stop.

[valid jolt]

I mean we’re already in spoiler chat, so I think it’s fine

[foggy stirrup]

its not impossible.

[rain otter]

i think Jade and stalker could be uniqiue.

[thick jolt]

Tbf spoiler chat doesnt mean "speak in spoiler tags" but that spoilers are ok here

Also what we are doing is more speculation than spoilers

[rain otter]

i don't think it's unlikely tbh.

[late shuttle]

i guess... im just being cautous coz im a bit on edge sorry

[valid jolt]

Nah you’re good dw

[rain otter]

have you seen the stalker hunhow conversation? @late shuttle

[late shuttle]

its coz in the elden ring server i was in i made a prediction about ranni which ended up being true but ended up spoiling things for some new players which has always left me a bit cautious about postulation conversation lol

[thick jolt]

I see
But dont worry spoiler chat is safe

[amber terrace]

Hmm… maybe my perspective is different. I’m seeing this update as another quest to give us something to do until Tennocon and/or 1999. With this cynicism in mind, I mostly see Jade as another Warframe. Plus to your point, in the Second Dream, when Stalker has the operator in a chokehold, he hesitates. Hunhow chalks this up to the insinuation that the Stalker is hesitating because Stalker is controlled by an operator

[junior vine]

Spoiler tags are for the main channel

[late shuttle]

uuuuh goooood question, a lot happened at once in my game coz im at the run up to new war, so everything is happening at once

[rain otter]

it's on their site

[junior vine]

Whats the new quest gonna be called?

[rain otter]

not in game lul. let me get it.

[amber terrace]

Probably ‘Jade Shadows’

[nova harness]

Definitely Jade Shadows

[junior vine]

The quest isn't about Jade?

[hearty pendant]

it's about the stalker and Jade, no?

[nova harness]

Jade Shadows Stalker

[amber terrace]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior vine]

💀

[hearty pendant]

stalker government name just dropped

[rain otter]

https://www.warframe.com/news/the-reapers-lament @late shuttle

this is what i was talking about.

[late shuttle]

im currently working on some art for my own teno, which has a half cyborg dog as the operator. in honor of my late pup who i sadly found out passed away after a whopping 11 years as a guide dog and another 7 years of retierment

hoping to make him unique too

[thick jolt]

I read the title as indicating the quest is about the shadows cast by jade on stalker's past

[late shuttle]

oooh they could call it "Angel of the abyss"

that would go so hardcore

[thick jolt]

DE update naming conventions would indicate the quest will likely have the same name as the update

[rain otter]

anyway click that link it has a stalker and hunhow conversation.

[late shuttle]

will do

[late shuttle]

unrelated, what do u think of a quadraped warframe?

[amber terrace]

Voruna tried that with her 4. It works well enough

[rain otter]

yeah voruna exsits that'll probably be as close as we get.

what i want still is a necramech warframe.

[thick jolt]

Would be pretty funny

[rain otter]

I mean i just think it could be cool like a warframe either using a mech suit to become a necramech or something.

[thick jolt]

I cant help but wanna see development bloopers of such a frame

[gilded echo]

warframe whose exalted weapon is a mech

i would pay money for that

[rain otter]

yeah that is what i'm saying dog

[balmy storm]

I’d love to see all the approaches they could take with a mech-style frame

[nova harness]

So a Necramech?

[balmy storm]

Yes, what I’m describing is a necramech style frame lol

Not literally utilizing a necramech, unless they made it specifically necramech themed

[nova harness]

Necramechs are basically just heavy Warframes

[balmy storm]

Yes and no
Necramechs don’t utilize the infestation afaik

[valid jolt]

We still need a heavy artillery frame:/

[balmy storm]

Agreed

[nova harness]

No most of them are part of the Infestation

[balmy storm]

Necramechs?
Where does it state that?

They aren’t made of infested flesh afaik

[nova harness]

The ones you fight

[rain otter]

Oh those are rouge

[balmy storm]

Being taken over by the infestation and being made of the infestation are two different things lol

The ones we actively take control of aren’t infested in any way

[rain otter]

Not Infested. They just have been on so long they don't work right anymore.

[nova harness]

Why didn’t they just fix them?

[balmy storm]

Who?

Who would fix all of them?

[nova harness]

Father built them he should know how to fix them

[balmy storm]

Depends on what the problem is

He can’t exactly go out and check on them either

He could have us do it ofc but the problem likely isn’t an easy fix, it’s likely variable

[nova harness]

They can go outside yknow

[rain otter]

To other flowers.

[balmy storm]

^

Also what stops them from just being shot at immediately?

They’re not immortal

[junior vine]

Dumb idea, but if we ever go to Tau with the base star chart in Tau can be used but, With an sp like Tau we have to have the base Tau chart completed and steel path from the origin system created

[balmy storm]

What

[junior vine]

Just saying if it's ever gonna happen

[balmy storm]

It isn’t, Rebb has said we aren’t going to Tau

[junior vine]

Damn

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[junior vine]

I hope we get more missions in the origin system then that the faction is sentient

[valid jolt]

I still have cope it’ll happen in 50 years(if the games still going)

[nova harness]

We are in the Void arc in 2035 we get the Tau arc

[balmy storm]

Tau is def a place the game could go
But there’s no in-universe reason for the Tenno to go there

[valid jolt]

For now

[junior vine]

Probably until we overwhelm the sentients to the point they retreat back to Tau

[balmy storm]

I mean yeah, but what would the reasons be?
To stir up another war with the sentients?

[nova harness]

I don’t know why people have an obsession with going there

[balmy storm]

Just because Pazuul and the Archons are sentients does not mean Tau would listen to them
Plus if they left why would we follow?

[junior vine]

They'd still be causing trouble in the system from Tau

[balmy storm]

It’s admittedly a cool concept and I’d love to see how the sentients preserve their environment and how they’ve changed but we have no reason to go

[junior vine]

Easier protovyre challenges

[valid jolt]

Maybe the Sentients need help in the future and call for us to save them or something. Or a new alien race shows up there

[balmy storm]

How?
If they leave to go to Tau then how are they causing issues in the origin system?

[junior vine]

Still sending condrix and some sentients to the origin system

[balmy storm]

I’d prefer Warframe not do aliens
But if we’re there to help then yes, I can see that

[junior vine]

We know Hunhow will never have control over the sentients for a while

[balmy storm]

So just stirring up a war again?
Cause the sentients in Tau totally want that and wouldn’t fight against Narmer at all

[junior vine]

If we push the sentients in the outer terminus back to Tau they'd still do it

[balmy storm]

The Tau sentients have peace, they’re more likely to preserve that peace and I doubt they’d ask for help unless they really needed it, especially from the Tenno
We’re the weapon against them after all so their situation would have to be unbearably bad to come to us

[junior vine]

I'm gonna use it as an example. They'd probably ask for our help if the narmer fleet attacks them

[balmy storm]

Why wouldn’t the Tau sentients fight against Narmer?
Why would they immediately join them in stirring up a war when they had peace?

[balmy storm]

Why would Narmer attack them.

[amber terrace]

Huh… I thought that the orphix’ still kicking around Corpus Railjack was a result of what I can only describe as “pressing the button when a program isn’t loading and then getting popups for the rest of time”

[junior vine]

Narmer attacks everyone

[amber terrace]

Sentients can be seen assisting Narmer in the Archon Hunts

[balmy storm]

Narmer is ran by Pazuul, an Archon, a sentient who revers Tau
Why would he ever attack Tau?

[junior vine]

Sentients controlled by Pazuul

[junior vine]

Because they would want to keep the peace they've had for years

[balmy storm]

Even if Pazuul went for a power grab the sentients in Tau have the numbers, tech and time to not only fight back but win.

[balmy storm]

So to keep peace they attack Narmer?
How does that make sense, Narmer is an us problem not a Tau problem

[junior vine]

I'm not even gonna try and explain anymore

[balmy storm]

I don’t understand your point but okay

We have no reason to go Tau
Tau has no reason to involve themselves with us
The only party who cares about Tau is Narmer, who thinks positively of Tau and wouldn’t attack it
If Pazuul and co went to Tau then they’d be free of the origin system, free of strife, they’d be a Tau problem but one they could solve, it’s unlikely we’d be required

[valid jolt]

I am curious tho how Tau looks like

[balmy storm]

Same, I understand the want to go there and see it

But unfortunately there’s no reason to go there and I don’t see any reasons we would

[nova harness]

Tau was literally a plot device so Ballas could survive destroying the Sun

[scarlet basalt]

OH ! there's also ONE question that was pretty much weird but will most likely be responded in Jade's shadow (or given more clear indication on what this is)

Hunhow : But without release. Held here by a purpose i cannot abandon (he is talking about being in uranus's sea)
Maybe, it's because of the jade light ? Maybe Uranus was a specific planet where jade light could have been created ? Maybe there is something more than sharks
Jade light is likely a laser
But you know that a laser can have weird properties when its in water for example :

Jade light really feels like a particle accelerator but that can be held or a laser

[amber terrace]

I think the reason the big man(Hunhow) is trapped in Uranus’ seas is because he got damaged in the Old War, to the point where he couldn’t make physical moves, thusly trapping him. This is why he’s so fond of Gabriel Stalker, and why he tried to mess with the Weave in the Octavia’s Anthem quest

[scarlet basalt]

True that was the first speculation which could have also been true but...
Well sentient adapts, he could have harvested uranus's ressource and somehow make it work
So likely now that he has the "purpose" that he cannot abandon it will surely be about jade and the new gamemode

I think this quest will leave us more question about Tau and respond lightly for hunhow and stalker

[amber terrace]

All I know is that I hope that, someday, Hunhow will receive a canon humanoid form. I will be unstoppable at that point

[scarlet basalt]

And to be fair, using stalker as his fighter is kinda easier since.. Well there is some corpus weirdo that experiment on sentient, a ton of tenno with railjacks, grineer that would just try to kill it with their cannon or infestation that would just shoot laser

But with how everything is centered on Uranus i really feels like the orokin made Jade light from uranus's environment, it could have been some special gems that would be very unstable (but idk got stabilized by the immense pressure of uranu's water) but could make precious weapon like jade light

[amber terrace]

Hmm… interesting conjecture on the Jade Light. I was under the assumption that it was pretty much a sci fi disintegration beam that just used a metric load of energy to kill a single target

[junior vine]

Ballas was originally going to get there and he knew eating the sun would open a gate to Tau

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, the problem is that Ivara's leverian talked about some manheld jade light
Which is weird when you think about it

I feel like the jade light is a 1 000 000x stronger than opticor 😭

[junior vine]

We don't even know what the Jade Light even does and how it was used to execute the orokin traitors

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah jade light is only known to obliterate someone like that one meme with dr manhattan

[flat magnet]

And it was used to get rid of dagaths face

[scarlet basalt]

They opened the chamber door just in time for me to see it happen: the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore. (Detron crewman synthesis)

Archimedian Yonta: "An honour I did not deserve. I awarded myself the Jade Light." (Seraph cutscene)

Porvis describes a flash of the most scintillating emerald light, and Ivara's battle-sibling collapsed to hot dust."
The green light lashed, touching a shoulder plate of Ivara's Avia armour, reducing it to dust. It saved her.(Ivara Leverian)

Jade light is really that meme

[graceful zodiac]

Hunhow has already said he's still there because of Natah

[scarlet basalt]

Mhh i always thought that he was saying about staying in the water ngl

[balmy storm]

I was about to say, we do know what it does lol

[graceful zodiac]

His only other purpose would be Erra or finishing the job with the Tenno

[scarlet basalt]

bcz like then, it would make sense for him to stay in the water if Uranus is actually an orokin facility to make Jade light 🤔

I mean, it's only speculation

[balmy storm]

No?
They never mention the jade light in her story and if they had used it to destroy her face it would’ve destroyed much more

[scarlet basalt]

But yeah tbf it also contradict bcz it would be weird for him to leave the water given that he could get obliterated by every faction at the same time lmao

[graceful zodiac]

How would the Jade Light be related to him in the first place too

[flat magnet]

Her lovers wanted to get rid of her after she became a warframe because their relationship was no longer taboo (no longer considered lower class as she’s a warframe instead of a dax) and the smile on her face creeped them out so they got bored and used the jade on her head thinking it would kill the warframe but it didn’t

[scarlet basalt]

Game being focused on Uranus 😔
I would think that him being inside the water is because he has somehow found the orokin facility that would make jade light. So being afraid for what grineer or corpus or other could do with it, he would divert them elsewhere or protect this place.
The Second dream has also shown us that he kinda has sentients ? So it make sense that he would be able to defend this place. Maybe he could not destroy it because of what it could happends with something as powerful as the jade light being exploded on a planet maybe 🤔 ? Like destroying the fauna and since he is a sentient that is about terraforming it would be against his own principle
(it's just speculation, but also the water is one of the greatest hideout for hunhow since he will most likely be less noticed from radar)

[balmy storm]

It’s never stated that they used the jade light on her, I’m on the archives rn and there’s no mention of the jade light in relation to Dagath

[graceful zodiac]

I'm fairly certain it's specifically called a foundry laser for Dagath

[balmy storm]

So arrangements were made with a master of industry, and the rider – all unknowing – accompanied the couple to a facility. She lay down obediently when instructed, showed no emotion when the restraints clamped her limbs, and made not a sound when the full force of the dissolution beam blazed through her head and out of the back of her steel skull.

[flat magnet]

You are right I just assumed it was the jade light

It’s cool that they gave lore to why grandmother doesn’t have a name tho I always thought DE just forgot

[graceful zodiac]

Except we know why he's on Uranus, he deliberately "fell" there to lie and wait for Natah to pull the trigger

[balmy storm]

It’s an understandable mistake tbh

[scarlet basalt]

oh
😦

[balmy storm]

I wish Dagath had special dialogue with Grandmother in relation to this 😔

[scarlet basalt]

man just went for a quick nap

[flat magnet]

Grandmother is a very mysterious character she deffo knows a lot more than she’s letting on

[scarlet basalt]

Gomaitru/mother is eularia right ?

[flat magnet]

Yeah

[scarlet basalt]

Then wtf is the name of grandma 😭

[balmy storm]

Def, though we should be wary about what she says sometimes
Still no clue if Bulva is real lmao

[graceful zodiac]

It was Dagath

[flat magnet]

Dagath

[scarlet basalt]

OHh true i forgot lmao

[balmy storm]

Her name was Dagath but gave it to the frame since she had nothing else to give

Cause it was that or dying lmao

[flat magnet]

On second thought I doubt Grandmother would want to meet dagath a second time lol

Even if it’s a copy of her

[balmy storm]

With a Tenno in control it’d be fiiine

[flat magnet]

Also finished going through the leverian and idk which lore I like the best

[balmy storm]

Her tone when telling the story never really gave the hint that she was afraid of her tbh, Grandmother is wise and old so I’d imagine she knows better, at least with this

[scarlet basalt]

there's a hole in her face 🗣️

[balmy storm]

Me when I get dissolution beamed for naming a horse 😔

[flat magnet]

Orokin just hella petty at this point

[balmy storm]

Always have been

[scarlet basalt]

Silly orokin killing people because of a horse

[balmy storm]

Names have power 🤷‍♀️

[scarlet basalt]

Remind me the time where i paired the "names have power" to wally
Idk what i was on but i really felt like finding wally's name or naming him would tame him 😭

I'll never hate the way i love to do unhinged theory 🗣️

[flat magnet]

we got a man who wanted his ex back so badly he started a war that affected the whole solar system, a dude with 12 stomachs because he wanted to eat, another dude that wanted to use an operator as a body so he summons the void to get rid of the warframe, a couple who didn’t like that their dax lover named a horse so wanted to kill it like wth is wrong with them

[scarlet basalt]

Huh
The fact that they were all leader(well someone with higher power) really fells like they're targeting leader and everyone

[balmy storm]

That’s a valid theory tbh, Wally wants what we got after all and considering his prior theft and tendency to take the shape and memories of others a name and identity may be what he wants
Rather than having him take one or create one through violence and everything he’s doing, perhaps we could give him one ourselves, guide him, the Tenno’s greatest power is compassion after all

It may be the only way to fight him, not through gun and blade but by heart, soul and self

Oro

[flat magnet]

As far as were concerned the entrati are the only good orokin but we don’t know what they’ve done or if they even remember the things they’ve done

[scarlet basalt]

That would be an interesting theory
But i don't know if we have ever guided a conceptual embodiment

[flat magnet]

Talk no jutsu really gonna come in clutch against the wall

[balmy storm]

The entrati are def as good as they get, which is still not great but we’ll take it

[flat magnet]

Even as orokin they were probably too focused on their individual fields of research to really care about doing dumb stuff but they probably participated in continuity which is bad enough

[balmy storm]

We don’t know thats what he is
Plus we’ve helped conceptual embodiments before, the Holdfasts

[scarlet basalt]

the "name have power" thingies really make me feels like this is one of the key of beating or taming the man in the wall

Yeah, we always thought that Wally was a conceptual embodiments from albretch but it doesn't seems so ?

The problem of wally is that he is taking from human's consciousness to make himself
But like, doesn't that mean he is also limited by it ?

[balmy storm]

Def think giving him his own identity is a way of beating him, or maybe thats what he wants so maybe we shouldnt do that idk

[flat magnet]

I still see him as a being of chaos rather than evil

[scarlet basalt]

Wally being evil feels more like a mean to an end

[balmy storm]

We dont know if Wally existed prior to Albrecht entering the void since nobody entered prior to that
Maybe after 1999 we’ll peek into Wally’s head more and more

[scarlet basalt]

wally know that the entrati, we, the cavia are messing with him
I don't think anyone would be happy to get punched by multiple people idk

[balmy storm]

He’s def not morally good, but his morals may be based off of a broken Orokin man so 🤷‍♀️

[flat magnet]

God I love the warframe lore so much

[scarlet basalt]

If he is based on a broken orokin man it means that he is gay

[balmy storm]

His actions also aren’t chaotic exactly either, they seem that way but I’m not convinced he’s just doing things to do them
He sees a bigger picture than we do

[balmy storm]

I’m not sure if sexuality carries over
Also there’s a case for Albrecht being bi/pan specifically

[scarlet basalt]

yeah albretch is likely bi/pan

[balmy storm]

Wally’s love life is not really a plot point, but Albrecht’s is

[still moat]

Is jade shadows tied to warframe 1999?

[flat magnet]

I don’t think so

[still moat]

I've not been paying much attention to it.

[flat magnet]

It focuses on stalker

[valid jolt]

Yesn’t

[balmy storm]

It very likely is not

Nothing about it actually connects to 1999 in any way

[scarlet basalt]

IIRC jade shadow is really focused on Stalker nothing else

[valid jolt]

What would happen if we just closed all entrys into the Void?

[flat magnet]

Yeah they’re adding more to the stalker lore, hopefully they tell us how he became a warframe

[scarlet basalt]

make sense to give him finally what he deserve
Now the only character that need his quest is ordis

[still moat]

well, if nothing else

inter-system travel would shut down

since the rail networks every faction uses are dependant on it

[scarlet basalt]

yeah
Is he supposed to be a new warframe or he is really another excal huh

[balmy storm]

His abilities differ from Excal greatly

[valid jolt]

Would Wally be stuck in the Void?

[flat magnet]

Imagine they let us live through his eyes as dax soldier the moment the massacre started

[balmy storm]

His fingers are still outside of it so
No

[scarlet basalt]

Trueee, even duviri's one is really just another warframe

[valid jolt]

What if we threw his fingers back into the Void?

[still moat]

considering his fingers appear to be cloned for every railjack

might be hard.

[flat magnet]

I still want a quest focused around the massacre of the orokin or at least a quest where we get to play through it as different frames

[balmy storm]

Goodluck finding all of them lol
But also we should not give him those back

[scarlet basalt]

Those are literally 2 different frame but with the same base for design, it's crazy lol

[still moat]

The orokin were pretty good at technology in general but it's very clear their main bread and butter was biology

[flat magnet]

Specifically gene manipulation

[valid jolt]

But if we somehow did, and threw them back into the Void and closed all entries and exists to and from the Void, would Wally be stuck in the Void?

[still moat]

which is why the orokin who survived the downfall of the empire and became the grineer queen uses mostly cloning and gene editing, which was common orokin tech they could grab in their go-bag, and why all the major orokin achievements like the towers are actually living beings

[balmy storm]

Duviri’s stalker just confirms to me he’s a frame

[balmy storm]

Gotta throw the Tenno in too bud
We’re connected to him

[flat magnet]

We could all just live in duviri lol

but space might be an issue seeing as though islands keep disappearing

[balmy storm]

Fib goes over why giving the fingies back is a bad idea iirc

[balmy storm]

If only new islands could form 😔

[valid jolt]

Ok and if we did that too?

[balmy storm]

Then maybe, but Kuva was found before the void and Kuva seems connected to the void / Wally
There may always be some connection to the universe and the void

[valid jolt]

How does the Void connect with the Universe?

[flat magnet]

@balmy storm Was it ever mentioned in whispers what the final page contained and why Wally wanted it so badly that because we didn’t give it to him he’s making a move now? wanted to reply the quest but it’s not available for replay yet

[balmy storm]

We don’t know but it seems to be connected

[valid jolt]

Are you saying it’s like Dark Matter where 85%ish of the Universe is made up of Void?

[valid jolt]

Ohh ok

[balmy storm]

Iirc the last page was for Loid but I don’t remember
You could read the transcripts or check the archive though

[flat magnet]

It’s more of an alternate dimension where natural laws doesn’t work as intended

[balmy storm]

Yeah maybe

[valid jolt]

Yea that’s what I thought too

[balmy storm]

There’s a lot of theories on how the void and the universe is connected, I remember someone saying it could be like the universe’s shadow or something like that

[valid jolt]

So like the Upside Down in Stranger Things?

[balmy storm]

Not literally its shadow but like a shadow, always there, out of reach, seemingly a void but ultimately it can be shaped if you know how

[scarlet basalt]

I always thought that it was one trick from albretch,some kind of resort that need to be given to the right person, the one that would have enough compassion to understand and read it outloud. Which was us, so we used love against wally as it is one of the strongest force that can be channeled through the void (citrine's mission)

[balmy storm]

Eh, maybe?
I don’t remember the lore on the upside down, I enjoyed the last season but not the upside down lore so idr

[flat magnet]

Ahhh I see

[scarlet basalt]

We don't know if albretch know every property of the void but likely knew about that one.

To be fair he must have known if he can go to 1999 lmao

[flat magnet]

I wonder if 1999 will give us a clear timeline of warframe but probably won’t

[scarlet basalt]

But the trick could have been messed up if wally actually got the page since we could not stop the onslaught of wally's minimn

[flat magnet]

We still don’t know if he went to an alternate timeline or if it’s the 1999 of the warframe timeline right?

[balmy storm]

Depends on what 1999 is

[flat magnet]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too

[valid jolt]

The Upside Down is basically the evil shadow of the real world, like you said. But I see what you mean on how the Void and the Universe might be connected in some way

[balmy storm]

I doubt its an alternate timeline or literal time travel, I think its like Duviri but a time instead of a place if that makes sense
From old orokin records Albrecht conceptually embodied 1999, that’s my theory

[flat magnet]

Ooooh that’s a really good take that I never considered as a possibility

[balmy storm]

I think thats where the upside down and the void differ, cause I dont think the void is evil, shadows aren’t inherently evil after all
Its kinda just there, an empty reflection

[balmy storm]

Only hole in my theory is that it seems to be a strand of khra and we dont know what that is or means or how Albrecht could’ve made it
But considering his knowledge of requiems, void tongue and all that its plausible

[valid jolt]

I personally think it’s in the past/alternative timeline because of the “from my time” line that Albrecht says

[valid jolt]

Yea I get it

[scarlet basalt]

I feel like 1999 is that somehow albretch worked on a strand of khra and made some kind of controlled space that recreate 1999?

[flat magnet]

I’m so lost now because I thought they were just void words

[scarlet basalt]

His work likely was on controlling a strand of khra

[balmy storm]

Conceptually embodied time

[flat magnet]

Khra also has the symbol of a sand timer too so it could be related to time

[ocean void]

wait, can we replay Whisper of the Wall quest in Jade update or is that 1999

[scarlet basalt]

Yess that one
He may be the first step on making our tenno stronger ?

[balmy storm]

Khra roughly translates to time

[balmy storm]

I think so

[flat magnet]

Idk hopefully by jade update but it’s doubtful

[balmy storm]

I think they said we could

[scarlet basalt]

But then, how did he make things able to get infested ? Arthur and aoi are experimented on and are pretty much human ?

[flat magnet]

I’ve been wanting to reply it just for the Arthur sequence

[ocean void]

do u think DE fix the vending machine? We can just walk through it with no collision

[flat magnet]

He probably used the knowledge he had of warframes / infestation to make them

[ocean void]

There was lot of secret like behind the subway train

[balmy storm]

Just because they’re void manifestations doesn’t mean they aren’t human

[scarlet basalt]

I mean... I would say yes 😭😭

[ocean void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1039384413819113612.gif?size=48

[valid jolt]

Wouldn’t Albrecht had mentioned if he conceptually embodied 1999? All he really says about it is “plague year”. I feel like it’s a bit of a stretch to think the entirety of 1999 was conceptually embodied, but who knows maybe I’m wrong

[flat magnet]

I hope we’ll get more in tennocon

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, I feel like 1999 will really reveal about how strand of khra work and that since everything has to be with the void it also mean you can navigate through it and so albretch somehow went to 1999

[valid jolt]

Yea we’ll understand what 1999 really is once the Strands of Khra are explained

[balmy storm]

He may not have known he had created it, hopefully we’ll find out more about its origins but even if he didnt make it it still could be classified as a conceptually embodied time

[valid jolt]

How could he have created 1999?

[balmy storm]

The strands of khra could also be the result of someone changing things in time, there’s some info about what happens with that but I cant check it atm

[balmy storm]

Void + emotion + concepts = thing

How did the Drifter make Duviri?

[valid jolt]

Duviri was based off a book tho. How could Albrecht create 1999 if there was no basis to go off of?

[balmy storm]

It’s not that far fetched to say one looked at records of the plague year and that caused it to be created within the void

[balmy storm]

He’s an Orokin?
With access to records that go as far back as the plague year?

He’s not some random schmuck, if anyone had the information it’d be him
The orokin didn’t wipe all records, just records relating to how they came to be

[valid jolt]

I don’t think Albrecht understands how conceptually embodiment works, but if he did and created 1999, I’m still pretty sure he would mention it somewhere in his logs. But again, because of how he says “from my time”, I think he just simply time traveled to the past or a different timeline

[junior vine]

Duviri is a world inside of a book written by Euleria

It's not based off of a book

It's the book coming into existence

[balmy storm]

If he doesnt understand how it works and conceptually embodied it into existence he would believe he had time travelled when in reality he didn’t, but he believes he did

[valid jolt]

I meant Duviri as in the Void Duviri. And book as in the actual Tales of Duviri book

[balmy storm]

It’s not inside the book, we literally see Duviri the book and Duviri the land as separate during its creation, the concept of the book was made reality through conceptual embodiment.

[valid jolt]

Don’t you have to be in the Void in order to conceptually embody something?

[junior vine]

Duviri was never in existence until after the drifter's void jump accident

[balmy storm]

Yes, I fail to see how that would disprove anything though
Man constantly experimented with the void after all

[junior vine]

Albrecht was In the void when he saw Wally

[balmy storm]

Yeah, I know
The Drifter caused Duviri to exist because they held the concept of the Duviri book in their mind to try and control their turbulent emotions, those emotions combined with the concept of Duviri and the void created the physical and now real land of Duviri

It is a storybook brought to life thanks to the void, its what it does

[junior vine]

Yes, and as I said the world of duviri was originally in a book written by Euleria

[balmy storm]

I think I interpreted what you said as saying it was literally in the book
My b

[junior vine]

Yeah, most likely because I didn't word it well enough

[valid jolt]

Sooo then wouldn’t that mean 1999 is in the Void?

[junior vine]

How would 1999 be in the void if nobody imagined it in their head while in the void?

[valid jolt]

You have to be in the Void in order for conceptual embodiment to happen

[junior vine]

Yeah so how is 1999 in the void?

[balmy storm]

Yes

[junior vine]

Then the Grey strain would exist in 1999

[valid jolt]

Because wouldn’t it appear in the Void, like how Duviri did? Duviri didn’t manifest into an alternate timeline, because it was conceptually embodied in the Void

Hopefully that makes sense

[balmy storm]

Duviri is a conceptually embodied place
I theorize 1999 to be a conceptually embodied time
Both can exist in the void

[junior vine]

But there's no mention of 1999 being conceptually embodied in the Void

[balmy storm]

We have no info on 1999’s origin

[valid jolt]

But Albrecht used a capsule to go to 1999. If it was in the Void, he wouldn’t have to use a dramatic way to enter 1999, no?

[junior vine]

We have to use a gate in the Zariman to get to duviri

So

[balmy storm]

We don’t know what the capsule does other than it sends him to 1999
As a conceptually embodied time it wouldnt be as easy to access, it isn’t just a place

[junior vine]

It's not as easy to travel across timelines

As it is to travel across different universes

I wonder would Wally still be able to come into our reality if we launched his finger back in the void?

[valid jolt]

Well since Albrecht has access to the Void in his labs, he easily could’ve just made a simple portal to 1999 since it has to be in the Void in order for it to be conceptually embodied

[balmy storm]

But its not just a place, its not as easily accessible as Duviri cause its not just a physical space

[junior vine]

It's a timeline

[junior vine]

I feel like the answer would be yes especially because of the reliquary drive on the Zariman as we know that's his finger

And they cloned it

[valid jolt]

So then it wouldn’t be conceptually embodied if it’s not in the Void. The Void can’t just magically make a random place outside of its domain like 1999 because that would go against the rules of what we know. I think it’s more likely to be a different timeline, because time shenanigans have already been talked about, like in TNW

[junior vine]

And that's where you're wrong and eternalism comes Into play

[valid jolt]

Wdym?

[obtuse gyro]

Why is the assumption that 1999 is randomly created in the void?

Additionally how would this compare to the fact that we've been told about conceptually embodied timelines (even though its not specifically referring to 1999) in Whispers in the Wall?

[obtuse gyro]

You say that like "different universes" actually have been traveled to

[soft lotus]

I wish we could get a dax gameplay like Teshin's

[valid jolt]

I assumed it would be since Duviri was conceptually embodied. But I don’t think Albrecht created 1999 through conceptual embodiment. As for that second point, we still don’t know what the Strands of Khra are and how they were made sooooo idk

I believe 1999 is a different timeline/the past

[obtuse gyro]

Your first statement... contradicts yourself? The question was randomly created. But you yourself state it was conceptually embodied? That would mean it isnt randomly created.

[soft lotus]

Quick question
If I redo the new war, do I get to choose my Lotus again?

[valid jolt]

Nono I’m not saying it was conceptually embodied. But I assume it would be in the Void if it was actually conceptually embodied by Albrecht, which was Duckies theory

[obtuse gyro]

No

[glass canopy]

You after the name change, or appearance change?

[valid jolt]

No it’s permanent

[soft lotus]

I see

[soft lotus]

Just curious, was gonna redo it anyway

[glass canopy]

Well, you can't really redo Lotus in a sense that you rename her since the game did say it's perma

But you could change her appearance to any of the 3

[soft lotus]

With some platinum

[glass canopy]

Yep

[soft lotus]

I'm redoing it because originally I did it with umbra
Made sense in my head since he has beef with Ballas, but then I thought how ungrateful of me to volt (my initial one)

Especially when it was volt carrying my operator in the 2nd dream

Once I finish making and leveling the parasecis I'll redo the mission

With Volt

[balmy storm]

I think you misunderstood
I’m saying it is in the void but it’s a conceptually embodied time in the void, nothing about what I said contradicts that.

[valid jolt]

Ohhh ok I see it now. Ig that could make sense, but we’ll see during Tennocon

[balmy storm]

Ye

[junior vine]

Duviri

[obtuse gyro]

Duviri is not a different universe

Duviri is literally in the void

[prime lantern]

Duviri is just a space in the void

Drifter is from an "unrealized possibility"

[tawdry socket]

The question is, is Drifter actually real or their own Conceptual Embodiment from our own operator in the moment of being thrown into the void

(joking of course, but I love thinking stupid things about CE)

[junior vine]

The drifter is a real person

But honestly respectable theory

[tawdry socket]

Like I said it was a joke, but I try to keep my ballas-posting on topic

[junior vine]

Still a respectable theory

[terse gyro]

Well, seems like this one teaser dashes the theory that Stalker is going to transition into Jade.

Looks absolutely sick.

I hope this means Stalker will get a new upgrade, shedding the "Shadow Stalker" form he's been stuck with for so long.

[tawdry socket]

Can't wait for Jade "Jade Light bypasses Shield Gate" Stalker

[tawdry socket]

Also forgive me but I fail to see how it explicitly dashes or confirms anything aside from showing the new Hate skin we knew was coming with the event

[balmy storm]

It is just a promo image lol

[terse gyro]

That's why I said "seems like". Could always be wrong.

[tawdry socket]

That's what I'm saying

[terse gyro]

I do hope I'm right though. This is a really cool look for him. Though I do kinda miss his Second Dream character model without the Pakal armor. Pretty weird how he changed design for almost no reason.

[nova harness]

This image just looks like he is getting attacked by the new jade light enemies

[terse gyro]

He also has the new ephemera on him

[balmy storm]

Stalker’s on his way to power the elevator while showing off his cool new Hate skin and amazing ephemera

[junior vine]

Jade Light enemies?

[junior vine]

That's just the corpus

[nova harness]

Jade light eximus

[terse gyro]

The update will introduce a new Jade Light Eximus unit. Stay moving or die.

[supple dagger]

btw do we know how ballas became the monster in new war? with his legs dangling from his knees?

[nova harness]

What?

[supple dagger]

ig monster is a bit misleading

freak

[nova harness]

Well we know because there’s a prelude

Plus

We stabbed him in the spine

[balmy storm]

Iirc he says the Lotus did it to him, though I’m sure Erra helped
I think it’s mentioned in the Chimera Prologue

[supple dagger]

so is he turning into a sentient?

[terse gyro]

Ballas was fatally wounded at the end of the Sacrifice. The Sentients amalgamized him to save his life.

[supple dagger]

ahhh

[terse gyro]

Ballas honestly has such a memorable character design, especially after becoming the chimera.

[supple dagger]

fr

[scarlet basalt]

Is wally in the void or deep void ?

Did albretch went to the deep void ?

[nova harness]

Now that’s the question isn’t it Kiddo?

[scarlet basalt]

It's most likely that mitW didn't come from the deep void given that he was most likely given form from albretch first non crystal protected armored expedition.
Meaning that worse than mitW could lurk ?

I mean if we link the void with the warp
The terms of deep warp is referenced as a place where even gods don't go
Where entities eat the remnant of gods.
Similar to the deep sea where whale gets eaten by Crustacean

Maybe the void arc isn't ending because the deep void was maybe locked by mitW as he was strong enough to repel those things
But like if the balance of power is messed up (in the void) once wally get either locked or killed. Then what will try to fill the hole ?

I'm kinda referencing to the last expansion of destiny talking about once the witness got defeated, they wonder what will try to fill the power vacuum

Feelings are powerful in the void, love being shown a lot.
Diverse emotion from duviri
But in the terms of deep void it feels like they would be... Amplified ?

[wild wind]

nuts that was my theory

[scarlet basalt]

It's speculation but I really feel like defeating the man in the wall isn't a good sign but is a necessity to ensure that the solar system is safe.

[balmy storm]

He’s an amalgam

[nova harness]

||He was an amalgam ||

[junior vine]

Hes like an amalgam now that's why he would've been able to go through the gate

[balmy storm]

The void gate to tau?
No? He didnt need to be half sentient for that to work it was just a portal lol

[balmy storm]

You right
May he rot in the tiniest of pieces

[junior vine]

It's a void gate

Void is in the name

[nova harness]

He still could’ve done it without being Sentient

[junior vine]

Yeah

Because he was orokin

[balmy storm]

We entered a void gate at the start of the quest…
Lotus entered it too
You dont have to be a void construct, sentient or orokin to go through
If anything if you are a sentient that’s typically not a good idea

No where has it ever been stated you need to be a sentient, orokin or void construct to enter a void gate

[junior vine]

Then explain how the sentients couldn't go through the solar rail...

[balmy storm]

They didnt go through the solar rail because the void is their innate weakness, it sterilizes them
And how would that be an argument for him being able to go through?

[rain otter]

They can and did.

That's what the invasion was in the old war.

Like they the destroyed the Solar Rail later.

[junior vine]

Just proved yourself wrong m8

[balmy storm]

Void exposure is not kind to the sentients

[balmy storm]

????

[rain otter]

Like the old war started with a Tau Invasion coming through the Solar Rail.

[junior vine]

Even then I said, that amalgams aren't affected by the void because they're not full sentients

[balmy storm]

Show me where it states that an Orokin, void construct or sentient are the specific individuals who can go through void gates.

[balmy storm]

But they are half sentients, they’re still affected

[rain otter]

The solar Rail to tau (origin system side) was destroyed by Hunhow during the old war.

[junior vine]

Then Ballas wouldn't have been able to at the end

[balmy storm]

Not that he’d be able to do anything anyway, all the sentients in the origin system are fragments or sterile

[balmy storm]

He would have though, just because he’s an amalgam doesn’t mean he can’t go through a void gate

My point is you dont specifically have to be a sentient, orokin, amalgam or anything specific to go through
Anyone can

[wild wind]

Ballas was going to use Praghasa to jump through his homebrew Void Gate. It might have destroyed her, but any damage he took would have been minimal.

Since his biological functions aren't tied to his Sentient bits.

[junior vine]

Neither are the amalgams

[wild wind]

Actually a bunch of the amalgams had their heads replaced with sentient bits

[balmy storm]

I mean he def can’t reproduce but that’s both due to him being an amalgam and that sentient half being sterile to begin with

[junior vine]

So in reality they wouldn't have been affected by the void

[wild wind]

Others had their torsos

[nova harness]

He is an amalgam

[wild wind]

No no, the amalgams would be afffected by the void, in their sentient bits

[balmy storm]

The amalgam project existed to try and combat that weakness, it failed

[junior vine]

His biological functions are though. Look at his legs

[junior vine]

Then Ballas wouldn't have been able to

[balmy storm]

Sentients don’t just drop dead from the void

[wild wind]

Yeah his legs would stop working but not his heart, brain or endocrine system

The void works like radiation on the sentients

[nova harness]

Except when I blast them

[balmy storm]

Yes, he would have
Being a sentient does not mean you cant go into the void, Lotus literally goes in a void gate at the start of the quest???

[wild wind]

It cooks them from the inside out

[balmy storm]

Cause we fry their ability to adapt

[wild wind]

also Lotus is an eidolon at that point and they play by different rules

[balmy storm]

But frying that doesn’t just mean they drop dead, its the additional damage that does that

[balmy storm]

Isn’t she only an eidolon post-duviri?

[wild wind]

Which by the way is the reason we can expect that Praghasa's still alive, otherwise she'd be an eidolon

[balmy storm]

Or is it the moment Ballas sucks the life out of her?

[wild wind]

She's made into an eidolon when Drifter gives her the first archon shard

Before that she's mostly dead

[balmy storm]

So way after she went into the void gate

[wild wind]

Oh no she dies when she's thrown into the gate

[junior vine]

Thanks for backing what I said up

[wild wind]

kills her dead

[nova harness]

I wish Duviri actually showed us finding her at the end like a mini cutscene

[balmy storm]

The gate itself isnt what kills her

[wild wind]

The void exposure between being thrown into the gate and landing in Duviri is

[junior vine]

She never showed up in duviri

[balmy storm]

Entering the void does not instantly kill sentients, it strips their adaptation and sterilizes them
Thats it

[junior vine]

Minus her hand

[wild wind]

The WAY that it sterilizes them is how it kills them

[balmy storm]

Her hand does
Thats literally her
Thats how sentients work

[wild wind]

And yes the Guiding Hand is her

Sentients have a distributed consciousness

[nova harness]

Guiding light to newly awakened Tenno

[wild wind]

Ironically this means that Hunhow is War until your Warframe shatters it

[junior vine]

They really aren't tenno without that hand

[balmy storm]

Its not immediate damage is my point, yes the sterilization ultimately kills them cause it stops their reproduction
But Lotus was already sterile by the time she enters the void gate

[undone lodge]

Speaking of Ballas and the Void gate

Did he have a plan or anything for after that I’ve forgotten?

[thick jolt]

nope

[nova harness]

Destroy the Sun settle on Tau

[wild wind]

That's why it's destroying them as a species. The void is also lethal to them on an individual level.

[balmy storm]

Man just wanted Tau but forgot he’d probably be shot immediately

[thick jolt]

it was less a plan and more a tantrum "I don't wanna play with you guys anymore I'm going away"

[wild wind]

Like radiation on an organic being, a small or indirect exposure "merely" sterilizes a sentient. In large quantities it kills them outright.

[balmy storm]

If it was that lethal the hand wouldn’t survive, it weakens them it doesn’t outright destroy them immediatly

[wild wind]

It actually does. Octavia's anthem has you fighting sentients in the void and they're dying just from having traveled to the Orokin Tower.

The lethality of void exposure is why the Lotus reaches Duviri as a hand instead of the rest of her body

[balmy storm]

Her hand was already separate from her body?

Ballas cut it off, it enters before the rest of her

[wild wind]

Nope, just checked

It goes in AFTER

Next to your Operator.

hmmm no wait this is odd, it doesn't show the hand after it's removed

Lotus falls in without it

[balmy storm]

It still goes in separate from her, smaller piece would die out faster

[wild wind]

the hand drops next to the Operator, then the Operator's booted in

ha ha yeah about that

remember, Wally uses Lotus's hand to shake with you on the Zariman

This is the actual Duviri Paradox

[scarlet basalt]

isn't that his (wally or the operator) own paradox ?
Duviri is only related to the drifter in the end ?

I would be suprised the grief of stalker is actually because jade and him were having a deep relationship

[wild wind]

The whole of the paradox was that both The New War and Duviri Paradox have to happen before the other story can happen

[valid jolt]

New ish stuff https://x.com/playwarframe/status/1802074391846494302?s=46

WARFRAME (@PlayWarframe) on X

The Stalker and Jade could not appear more different. Yet their tale is inexorably linked across the Origin System.

Discover the mystery of their connection when Jade Shadows launches in ✨Three Days✨!

Twitter · Jun 15, 2024, 8:23 PM

[balmy storm]

It really is 3 days omg

[viscid quarry]

Thank god

And so close to tennocon

[valid jolt]

It’s gonna be such a busy week…

Warframe update and Elden Ring dlc

Sheesh

[spice sparrow]

shield break particle

Playable Stalker??? (Outside Duviri I mean)

[rain otter]

we knew that. all of the quest is seemingly gonna be a quest where we play him most of the time.

[spice sparrow]

Yeah I knew that

I meant outside of the quest

[rain otter]

idk

[gray coral]

i have so much stuff just waiting for the stalker if he joins the team

[junior vine]

Jade looks autistic

[valid jolt]

Lol

I can’t even tell where her head is

[rain otter]

(complimentary)

[viscid quarry]

Uhh the head bit

The glowy stuff on the head is her eye ima assume

With the part ontop probably being a drone

[rain otter]

Probably a I forget their name the like flying over head things.

[ocean void]

The Heliroom sigil things

[valid jolt]

You mean signas?

[ocean void]

I don’t see anything above Jade blueprint

Let alone during the model test so probably just another signas

[rain otter]

Probably.

[valid jolt]

They need to add more ngl

[amber terrace]

I just called Stalker “Gabriel” is it over?

[viscid quarry]

For a blue Nikon it is

[amber terrace]

||Until Gabriel shows up in Act 3||

[viscid quarry]

Yes well the 2 fights are easy

Not leviathan easy but still easy

[valid jolt]

Interesting

Can’t paste the full interview here rip

[thick jolt]

Where is this interview from?

[valid jolt]

Gamerant

There’s also this too

[rain otter]

COME ON INFESTED DEADLOCK PROTOCAL

[prime lantern]

Show us menz dax

[rain otter]

idk what that is.

[prime lantern]

A guy

[rain otter]

from?

[prime lantern]

He's just a retired dax

[rain otter]

do we know about him in stuff?

[prime lantern]

He aided a lorist in putting her twin sister to rest

Her twin sister was the first ancient healer

[rain otter]

oh the ancient healer data.

[amber terrace]

Do we have any predictions as to what syndicates are going to have Qorvex’ [Wrecking Wall] augment?

[balmy storm]

Steel meridian is my guess
That or maybe perrim cause the corpus like the void and walls???

[amber terrace]

Won’t lie I’m hoping for Perrin or Veil or Loka. To be fair, I hope the augment is in any of these because those are the syndicates I leveled

I don’t feel like dumping plat on warframe dot market or Trade Chat for an augment that I don’t know how good it’s gonna be

[balmy storm]

Do we have any details on the new augments or?

[prime lantern]

Yea

I can't find the image

[nocturne ingot]

pog the end of whispers in thr walls left me starving

i was so disappointed that we didnt like rescue albrecht or something:^(

[balmy storm]

More story 👁️

[nocturne ingot]

oh yeah also why the hell did the man in the wall just show up at the end of the new war as a literal wall in front of the lotus, is that like his true form or something

[prime lantern]

Likely just to mock us

He lacks any true form

[nocturne ingot]

ok but why a giant creepy wall like thats so specific and out of place and then he just disappears

[prime lantern]

Well we call him a man in the wall

[nocturne ingot]

i feel like itd be cooler if he was just standing there in his sus imposter operator form we're familiar with for a second and then disappears in the blink of an eye

[prime lantern]

It teaches because it longs to be known, and in being known it exists. And in existing, it survives.

I mean your talking about it so it showing up as the wall worked

It's being known

[nocturne ingot]

it kinda draws attention away from the moment of victory which i dont really like

like lemme absorb this win before throwing me into some other crazy situation

[balmy storm]

I think thats kinda the point

There is no rest for the tenno
We stopped one evil, now we deal with a much greater one

[nocturne ingot]

yeahhh but we just finished a 5 hour quest...

[prime lantern]

It took me like 2

[balmy storm]

It’s variable

[nocturne ingot]

i spent ages on the stealth part and the last railjack bit

it was so hard to tell when the sun was getting brighter at first

[valid jolt]

New War is my favorite quest in the game ngl

Wish I could forget all about it and replay it

[junior vine]

You can replay it

And just choose different things

[valid jolt]

I meant as in forgetting what happens lol

[junior vine]

Lol

Valid

Why can Caliban enter the void if he's sentient? Is it because he's a sentient warframe hybrid?

Why does the Raven Voice sound like Astrid from httyd?

[balmy storm]

Because sentients can enter the void

Also Caliban is void powered like all warframes

All I’m finding is that the void causes decay, but that decay doesn’t outright kill them from what I can tell just greatly weakens them

[junior vine]

But he can be in there for hours probably even days

Something original sentients can't do

[junior vine]

But yeah just still confused on how if he is a sentient warframe

[near rune]

Sentient pieces can survive in the Void without observable degradation (eg the War sword, which is a piece of Hunhow; or Amp parts, which appear to be made from Sentient bones and can channel the Operator's Void energy without issue). Caliban is probably just Sentient pieces grafted on to a warframe skeleton, or something like that.

[junior vine]

Probably

Makes sense now

[balmy storm]

It seems the decay doesn’t outright destroy them from what I can find

My guess is the void causes a general disruption to sentients which destabilizes them (decay, removal of adaptations) and sterilizes them

[junior vine]

And then the exposure kills them just like it does to others

[balmy storm]

I don’t think its the exposure to the void outright that kills them otherwise Lotus’ hand wouldn’t exist

[junior vine]

But it slowly kills them just like it's doing the the cavia

[balmy storm]

It could also disrupt their consciousness, essentially making them brain dead which would maybe allow for sentient parts to still exist in/around the void?

[near rune]

Void decay is intended to kill them, according to Perintol, but it didn't end up doing that in practise. Travelling the Solar Rail sterilised them and they can be shielded while in the Void using cephalon energy somehow.

[balmy storm]

The cavia are biological so its killing them for different reasons

[near rune]

As I said, Sentient pieces don't seem to be affected. It might have to be their consciousness or their cores.

[junior vine]

True

[junior vine]

And to add onto that if we've seen what happens when we kill them. When the core gets destroyed as I'm just gonna say it. The parts disintegrate

[balmy storm]

I think it disrupting sentient consciousness seems more likely to be what’s actually effected then cause then all sentient tech, including caliban, can exist in it just fine but conscious sentients / fragments are disrupted to the point they just disintegrate

If its their consciousness then maybe that explains how cephalon energy protects them too, since that’s technically a human mind

[near rune]

Mmm I think the arms of Conculysts and Battalysts stick around after the core detonates, but in general yeah. You can see that removing the Archon Shard from an Archon disintegrates the Sentient parts of them.

[junior vine]

Yeah, and the shards are what allowed them to live correct?

[near rune]

The War sword held part of Hunhow's consciousness and it seemed to be fine in the Void

[near rune]

That seems to be the case

[balmy storm]

[junior vine]

Probably is with your explanation

[balmy storm]

I really wish we got more info on how exactly the void interacts with sentients cause this is confusing and doesn’t add up
It decays living sentients / fragments but not all of them and they’re fine if protected by a cephalon mind

[junior vine]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

Maybe Hunhow and Lotus hand just had plot armor or due to not being fragments they weren’t effected as much, so maybe its only fragments who ultimately succumb to the decay

[near rune]

They're not "fine" when shielded; the decay just happens slower. During Octavia's Anthem the shielded Sentients are called "Decaying Conculyst/Battalyst" and they're weaker.

[proven bay]

Does anyone know if we are gonna Play as the stalker in the upcoming quest?

[real niche]

We don't "know" because iirc they never said it aloud but at the same time it's literally the Stalker quest

[proven bay]

Alr cool

[static steppe]

Am i misremembering or is magnetic Gonna work on Overguard?

[fiery gale]

we are

the teaser showed a transition to gameplay thing iirc

[valid jolt]

Yea we are. It’s been confirmed in literally every teaser lol and by Reb herself

[tawdry socket]

Yeah Overguard will be vulnerable to Magnetic

[rain otter]

What does that mean? Also not warframe overguard.

Just normal enemy overguard.

[tawdry socket]

The overguard that matters*

Wait wrong screenshots

[junior vine]

You know you didn't have to post this in here right?

The conversation about status doesn't need to be put in here

[thick jolt]

Why would they post it elsewhere when their conversation happened here?

[junior vine]

Was just saying it didn't have to be in here

I wonder, even if the void jump accident didn't happen how would the story turn out?

[real niche]

Orokin would still be oppressing people since they wouldn't have made the Sentients lol

[thick jolt]

Maybe even opressing people from their new penthouses on tau

[tawdry socket]

I know it doesn't, but I was replying to the person that asked in here

[undone lodge]

Most of the things we know about wouldn’t actually happen

[junior vine]

True

[undone lodge]

I guess the Corpus would develop differently, the stuff with Albrecht and Wally too

[tawdry socket]

So, the Albrecht thingy with the sand and the voidtongue at that bit of 1999 when he meets Arthur

Is that just Wally, or has Albrecht been hijacked in some form? That's what I didn't understand

Ignoring when wally is talking to himself at the end of the quest between the operator form, the vessel and fake Albrecht

[rain otter]

We don't know.

To be determined.

[tawdry socket]

Okay cool I didn't know if that went over my head or if we didn't know, thanks!

[cinder steppe]

"Nothing has scared me in years. Except... That voice... Couldn't even understand what it was saying..."

[junior vine]

There's people thinking it's both because we know he made it

And the reason he's going after the lab is because we're there

[junior vine]

Idk, but this didn't need to be in here lol

[placid spire]

it is upcoming content isn't?

[junior vine]

Yes, but from what I remember this for quests

[placid spire]

dang, instruction not clear

there

[junior vine]

Valid

[balmy storm]

This is chat is for all content that can be considered spoilers, including upcoming content

The channel description mentions post-new war spoilers but really anything that’s spoilery

[valid jolt]

Jade Shadows in ONE day

[outer pumice]

I m worried they didn t mention on any stream or post if there will be an... SP option

[balmy storm]

For what?
The new gamemode?

[outer pumice]

yes

[balmy storm]

There will be, don’t know why there wouldnt be

[outer pumice]

i have no idea.they usually mention it as well as the token drop discrepancy so i m a bit worried

[balmy storm]

I wouldn’t be

[junior vine]

I just noticed my nekros will be done when Jade releases

[foggy dagger]

Will we find out more about stalker acolytes during jade shadows?

[junior vine]

Probably not because it's the stalker's backstory

Not the Accolyte's

[foggy dagger]

Ok

[junior vine]

Why didn't Lloid just use paper?

Against the indifference

[gilded valley]

It'll turn into sandpaper

[junior vine]

But if paper beats rock then paper is the key to beating the indifference

[gilded valley]

But the indifference are clumps of compressed sand

With hands

And feet

[junior vine]

That is the murmur not the indifference itself, the murmur is a name for his goons. The Indifference is Wally himself

[gilded valley]

I thought Wally is made of bones

That's what Vor hinted at least

[junior vine]

Remember, Vor has always been an idiot

I mean look at what happened to him after messing with the tenno

[gilded valley]

Yesh, blame the weapon instead of the weapon holder

[junior vine]

It's true tho

[gilded valley]

On the other hand, being near Wally is spoopy

Not sure if touching him will force him to try to subsume you like helminth

[junior vine]

🤣🤣🤣

[spice sparrow]

I don't think he's made of literal bones

[balmy storm]

The murmur is an extension of the indifference, it is also Wally

When we fight the murmur we fight the indifference, they are one in the same

[gilded valley]

Is Wally made of bone or stone?

[flat shadow]

Yes

[balmy storm]

He doesn’t really have a set physical form, but in terms of the extension of himself that is the murmur it’s likely bone / dust
I think he likes it when he’s given a name cause he’ll use that, like “the wall of bone” and “the man in the wall” is what he’s called and then he takes the form of a man in a bone-white wall lol

[gilded valley]

Creepy though

[balmy storm]

Oh yeah for sure
Man is creepy

You could interpret his bones / dust as stone in the same fashion of a fossil too, his domain may also be both bone and stone since it’s really whatever he wants it to be

[gilded valley]

But his intentions are unknown

But seems he's really gunning it for Albrecht

[balmy storm]

We know his motives to be

• Wanting his finger(s) back
• Wanting what we got (sense of self, uniqueness, identity)
• and wanting Albrecht for whatever reason

[gilded valley]

Probably to fuse Albrecht into him

[balmy storm]

I’m sure his want for Albrecht is related to one if not both of those, Albrecht was the one who cut the fingy after all

[gilded valley]

Kinda like regular Warframes into helminth

[spice sparrow]

Fatherly issues (if the "Albrecht created Wally" theory is true)

[balmy storm]

Less fuse with and more take his identity, to be him if anything

[gilded valley]

But I feel like Parvos Granum would interfere or something

[balmy storm]

I don’t think he literally created him, more he made him what he is
Wally was nothing because nobody had ever been in the void but then suddenly Albrecht pops in and Wally starts taking his form and taking his memories and sense of self
He was nothing but Albrecht made him something

[spice sparrow]

Maybe

[balmy storm]

Def feels like Parvos will become more relevant for the void/wally arc

[gilded valley]

But wonder why the man in the wall though