spoiler-chat

[balmy storm]

That’s absolutely unprovable though

[cinder steppe]

I mean we were able to resist the Veil and take it off

[nova harness]

It wasn’t our veil

[near rune]

You could also chalk that up to the Veil showing the Drifter the Operator's reality. All that stuff about being rescued from the Zariman didn't matter to the Drifter.

[balmy storm]

The Drifter was and that was because the veil was reading the Drifter as the Operator, but they weren’t the Operator so it didn’t work on the Drifter

[near rune]

Now how the Veil knew to say those things… is another matter

[balmy storm]

Something something kuva something something eternalism…

[nova harness]

When you get veiled in the factory it works fine because it is yours

[balmy storm]

The veil would’ve worked on the Operator

[rain otter]

eh i think it depends.

[balmy storm]

I disagree, the veil didnt work on Drifter because they weren’t Operator but read them as such

[rain otter]

Fair.

[amber terrace]

Omnia Fissures cannot come fast enough 😩 I’m farming out Octavia’s main bp and the Pandero receiver and I really don’t want to have to bounce around from mission to mission hoping that one of the fissures is endless

[amber terrace]

On an unrelated note, how do Reliquary Drives work? Like does the finger act as a navigator for Void travel? Does the finger make the ship able to rip a hole into the Void and that’s how Void travel works?

[obtuse gyro]

No idea, just that finger drives enable void travel

[rain otter]

Okay most ships use a Solar Rail which has seemingly 2s side to it. Well the Tau one had one side on Tau and one side in the Origin system without one side the other side didn't work. A Reliquary drive lets you hyper space jump instantly from anywhere to anywhere else in the system. It's why the RJ is like REALLY REALLY STRONG.

like all the other factions have to like actually drive their ships to at least a Solar Rail to go far we can just go "I WANNA GO HERE IM GOING"

@amber terrace also there are currently only 2 COUNT UM 2 Ships in the origin system with a finger drive in them working. The RJ and the Zariman.

[amber terrace]

Does the orbiter have a Reliquary Drive or do we have to use the solar rails like all the other people in the system?

[rain otter]

we use solar rails in the orbiter.

but we also have like the landing craft and special stealth sheilding.

[obtuse gyro]

Rail, hence why we need to do the junctions

[near rune]

Other Tenno have their own Railjacks, according to Scarlet Spear

[rain otter]

Okay RailJack as a type of Ship.

[near rune]

The Orbiter hangs out in the Void, so it doesn't follow normal laws of space travel. The Landing Craft needs to use the Solar Rails. You unlock them using the Junctions and, according to the radio scanner, Tenno Landing Craft also jump into enemy-controlled Solar Rails before they can react.

[daring palm]

I need a better explanation on what the Warframe Suits are, not the Tenno but the actual Warframes

[warm anvil]

i would love to see DE's documents on all the lore of the universe

[daring palm]

Real

[rain otter]

Have you played the sacrifice?

[daring palm]

Yes but it left me with more questions

[rain otter]

Which are? Oh also Umbra was one of the last warframes to be made.

It makes sense that he is the last just some people think he is the first for some reason.

[daring palm]

Are the frames an infection? Are they made of steel and metal? Realistically how hard would it be to destroy one? What it is touched one? Other than Umbra are any of them Sentient? How do they get their abilities? What fuel do they use?

And so many more

[warm anvil]

ooh i didn't know that. cool

do we know THE last frame made?

[rain otter]

They are made with the helmith the one we have in our ship. It was made line specifically for making warframes it's basically a pure bred Infested that listens to us and isn't connected to the hive mind. Also it's what like maintains our warframes.

[obtuse gyro]

Frames are made of infested yes, the steel and metal are flesh hardened to that point and additional metal bits. A BIG nuke is capable of destroying frames. What if frames touch another? They just touch each other. Abilities are built into the frame. Frames uh, got biological functions, but are also void-tuned

[rain otter]

No but Umbra is made into umbra cuz finds the like Tablet we find that Ballas was gonna give to Hunhow.

[warm anvil]

yeah

[rain otter]

Like part of that is the current warframes weakness the tenno.

So Umbra would be during the old war after the warframes where controlled by the Tenno and Hunhow is there fighting them.

[daring palm]

Now my biggest question…

Due to the laws of nature…

Could a warframe breed with another frame to create a new frame?

[rain otter]

Probably not.

[daring palm]

Aw man :[

[obtuse gyro]

as per what Rebb said "who knows"

[rain otter]

Infested don't do that. Also most of there organs are like not there anymore.

[rain otter]

Ask the helmint to do it for you.

[rain otter]

It does everything else for the warframes

How do you think they don't even like decay or have like gaint things of flesh hanging off of them.

[daring palm]

What frames would be able to take down an army?

[rain otter]

They are maintained by the same infestation they are made kf.

[daring palm]

And are the Tenno bulletproof?

[rain otter]

All of them is the point.

[daring palm]

Even inaros?

[rain otter]

The Operators?

[rain otter]

In the lore yes.

[daring palm]

Yeah

[obtuse gyro]

what do you think inaros was doing on mars?

[rain otter]

No but they can't die.

[daring palm]

Getting his back blown out by grineer soldiers

[warm anvil]

just chilling

[rain otter]

It's why Ballas Has to throw us into the Void after he stabs us get us out the system.

[daring palm]

So i can torture one till the end of time?

[obtuse gyro]

why would you do that

[rain otter]

I mean you shouldn't. They are like One of the strongest beings in the universe.

[daring palm]

I know my motives are being questioned💀💀💀

[warm anvil]

loll

[daring palm]

The fun of hearing another living being scream in pain and agony

[rain otter]

It's like "can I poke Cthlulu with this stick I found"

Yes but you'll die probably.

[daring palm]

Exactly what it is

[obtuse gyro]

guh?

[daring palm]

I once threw a stick at a wolf

[rain otter]

Dumb

Absolutely wonky.

[daring palm]

The server admins are looking at me like

[prime lantern]

Your just weird

[daring palm]

Dang i cant use the emoji

[prime lantern]

I doubt they actually care

[daring palm]

MEDIOCRE HOW YA DOIN BUDDY

[daring palm]

If they did care i wouldve been gone already

[rain otter]

I was just answering questions.

[prime lantern]

Who are you?

[daring palm]

Damn.

[rain otter]

Also yeah Ballas had to throw the Tenno Into the Void to keep them at bay for months? Years? And through the Drifter they still got out.

[daring palm]

How hard would i have to slap a tenno child for them to get mad

[rain otter]

I don't think you could get that close.

[warm anvil]

just slapping them, no matter how hard woul get them mad

[daring palm]

Why not?

[rain otter]

The tenno with no control of their power killed people by accident.

In the Zariman. You have no chance with a tenno that is now trained.

[daring palm]

Why

[obtuse gyro]

if it werent for drifter ballas would have kept the tenno there indefinitely

[rain otter]

Yeah probably.

[rain otter]

Void blasts would evaporate you.

[daring palm]

Why would they be blasting void at me

[rain otter]

Cuz you are approaching them.

They don't know you.

[daring palm]

What if i do as the drifter did and show that im no threat

[rain otter]

Nah.

I started Blastin

[daring palm]

WHY😭😭😭

An unarmed person walks up to you and you start blasting?

[rain otter]

Yeah.

Why are you approaching me? I approach people not the other way around.

[daring palm]

I thought i was violent😭

[rain otter]

Lmao I mean just in this specific situation. Also it was funny to say.

[daring palm]

walks up to a tenno child “Hey kiddo where-“
gets blasted with Void

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[warm anvil]

true, atp they probably have ptsd from being called kiddo

[daring palm]

Yeah

[tropic venture]

Which is kinda sad ngl, since that's the name our dad used to call us before the Void-jump :(

[ebon fractal]

Crap! I didnt know de had a stream, how was the 1999 teaser?

[tropic venture]

the stream is the 21st

[ebon fractal]

Oh! I thought that was last stream

[tropic venture]

the last dev stream was about Dante Unbound

not 1999

[flat shadow]

They said there would be a teaser for 1999 at Pax this Friday.

Announcement here: #de-livestreams message

[real steppe]

wth

[ruby pumice]

Its 22nd?

[amber terrace]

Will there be anything about the funky little critter known as Albrecht Entrati? Better yet, is there gonna be any word on Albrecht’s hat coming to a merch store?

I would even be willing to buy an Albrecht 1999 hat for an Albrecht 1999 hat(buy a hat for my hat)

[nova harness]

You are late

[amber terrace]

?

Did his hat already hit merch stores and I missed it?

[nova harness]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-albrecht-entrati-you-are-late-whispers-in-the-walls-gif-14925983810522853958

[amber terrace]

Albrecht is such a funky little critter

Tbh, I can kinda see where Loid is coming from

[nova harness]

Be on time next time time, kiddo

[amber terrace]

If I may request, would you be willing to speak plain to me? Did I miss Albrecht’s 1999 hat?

[nova harness]

No

[proven grove]

He’s just quoting albrecht

[nova harness]

But you can get Albrechts cat

[amber terrace]

I mean, a dripped out Sphynx cat would be pretty cool, I just don’t think I’m responsible enough to have a pet that’s as high maintenance as a Sphynx cat lol

[nova harness]

You can buy his book stand

[proven grove]

You can get kalymos

[nova harness]

You can buy Albrecht

[amber terrace]

I have Kalymos in game because I bought the sanctum supporter pack purely for the [Too Late] emote

[proven grove]

Nice

[amber terrace]

Sorry for the ping, I accidentally sent before I could turn off the ping

[nova harness]

Is it taller

[proven grove]

All good, I don’t mind

[nova harness]

How tall is Kalymos skin?

[amber terrace]

I’d say on my Smeeta, it goes to about hip height on my Hildryn Prime

[viscid quarry]

Ok lemme steal kalymos rq

[formal grove]

YES

WE'RE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY GOING BACK TO THE PAST IN 1999!

[dapper quarry]

🫃

Indeed

I genuinely want to ask the developers, why 1999 out of all potential time.

Like couldn't they have chosen a time decades after ours but still hundreds of years before the beginning of warframe time?

It just seems so silly they chose 1999

I mean I guess it would be easier because they can just make all their missions or whatnot align with what technology and culture and bla bla was available in 1999 instead of creating something entirely new in a time hundreds of years after our time but hundreds of years before warframe

[formal grove]

could be because of the Y2K panic

[dapper quarry]

?

I was not alive in 1999

what is the "Y2K panic"

[formal grove]

it was a computer programming thing

[dapper quarry]

Ohhh

The 2000 digit panic thing?

[formal grove]

yep

[dapper quarry]

ah okay

[formal grove]

Warframe's probably doing a take on Y2K actually happening

except instead of computer systems crashing, it's the Infested 1990s tech we see in WitW

[dapper quarry]

anyways because they chose 1999.
If they decide to continue to. Like starting from 1999, then 2000 .
They'll either have to avoid political or controversial history like the plague or find some way to not cause controversy by playing a part in those events in the warframe universe

For example, if they keep going forward in time from 1999, they'll either have to avoid 9/11 or explain it in a different way

Like "the man in the wall blew up the twin towers" .
I highly doubt they'll go this route.
It would be better to avoid it entirely

They could also make a time loop in 1999

Where the characters present keeps going but they never age.
And the year never changes?

Or they could age but it's still 1999

Idk this is all crazy and theoretical

[graceful zodiac]

They don't to follow anything related to real life events

The history is already screwed up since there some plague going around

[dapper quarry]

that's why I thought it's silly they chose a time where we actually know the past.
Instead of something like 2077.
It's a future in comparison to us.
But it's past in comparison to Warframe

[prime lantern]

It's the turn of a century

[dapper quarry]

But I didn't even mention anything about the crazy time stuff that involves the drifter and operater

[graceful zodiac]

Except we don't know the past, this 1999 is already an entirely different history

[prime lantern]

That's why they chose it because people thought computers and gunk were gonna have a fit

[dapper quarry]

the non linear time

[dapper quarry]

I guess that makes sense

[prime lantern]

And the infested look like they machines in them

[dapper quarry]

Is this why they put the nostalgic computer noises in railjack hacking missions? As an Easter egg to future quests?

Because whispers quest has the same noises

[prime lantern]

Idk

[ruby pumice]

oh??

[amber terrace]

How do Orokin families work? I imagine tracing family lines would be pretty hard after even a handful of Continuity body swaps

[rain otter]

Seemingly by just their last names and whoevers house is like more notable in a pairing is the last name you take.

Judging by the Entratri.

[dapper quarry]

There's got to be more families than just the entrati

Kind of annoying how they put the entrati family name in anything new quest wise.
I don't care about that dysfunctional family on deimos.

If they are so genius then surely they would've gotten out of their infested thing by now

[ruby pumice]

They are a very important family lore-wise

[dapper quarry]

why

I understand the heart of deimos thing but anything else enlighten me

[ruby pumice]

Albrect Eentrati is single-handedly the reason for everything void

[dapper quarry]

Bruh

[ruby pumice]

And you know how big of a thing void is in the game

[dapper quarry]

Also off topic but I don't like entrati designs compared to the other orokin designs.
Much prefer the corrupted derelicts over the architecture of deimos

[ruby pumice]

His daughter assisted him in his research and she is also indirectly a reason for the creation of Duviri

[dapper quarry]

Huh

how was duvirui created anyway

[rain otter]

I mean yeah all the like names before RJ parts are Orokin crafting families. But Entratii are famous cuz Albretch WAS THE ONE TO FIGURE OUT VOID TRAVEL.

[rain otter]

the drifter.

[dapper quarry]

the entire civilization and universe of duvirui was created singlehandedly by drifter?

[ruby pumice]

Yes

[rain otter]

i mean based on a book the drifter was reading.

[dapper quarry]

if he's that powerful then why does he die so easily

[rain otter]

but yes.

[ruby pumice]

Well the drifter manifested it physically from the book Mother wrote

[rain otter]

Cuz they don't control it also they keep coming back to live.

[dapper quarry]

Are the citizens of duvirui even real people?

[rain otter]

I mean void beings.

[ruby pumice]

They are now

[rain otter]

the Operator are void beings.

like what do you mean by real?

[dapper quarry]

I thought it was a glimpse into what the orokin civilization/village could look like before it's destruction

[ruby pumice]

The Drifter did not intend to though. Their trauma was manifested by the void.

[dapper quarry]

And what about thrax

[rain otter]

I mean it kinda is? cuz it's a orokin Book to help people that where exposed to the void.

[dapper quarry]

I thought thrax created duvirui

[ruby pumice]

No

[rain otter]

You see him being made in the like quest complete screen. Also no.

[dapper quarry]

Or controls it

[rain otter]

He does Control it currently.

[ruby pumice]

Thrax is just a doll the Drifter had as a kid

[dapper quarry]

Duvirui is weird

[dapper quarry]

i see

[rain otter]

no he comes out of like a void Thing made from the drifters emotions on the Zariman.

[ruby pumice]

Did you not pay attention to the quest? 😅

[dapper quarry]

I thought thrax was one of the tenno

[rain otter]

@dapper quarry also you can literally see like parts of the Zariman in the caves or desert like Duviri is full of Zariman stuff cuz the drifter was on the Zariman.

[ruby pumice]

The Thrax is a manifestation of Drifter's doll

[rain otter]

no not at all.

[rain otter]

he was also in the story.

[dapper quarry]

This is true

[rain otter]

like Thrax is in the story.

[ruby pumice]

I don't think so.

[rain otter]

the narration is from the story.

specificlly.

like Albretch says it is.

[ruby pumice]

According to the book, Lodun was the king of duviri

[rain otter]

no? he was a prince?

[dapper quarry]

Who is lodun?

[rain otter]

the anger Guy.

[dapper quarry]

the general?

[rain otter]

he is a prince.

[ruby pumice]

Drifter manifested the book and the doll figure they had, parts of which we collect and assemble in the quest

[dapper quarry]

Yes I remember that

[rain otter]

Thrax walks through i'll show you.

[ruby pumice]

Okie

[dapper quarry]

Once again
Lore: reality:
POWER weak

[rain otter]

also this is not true prove this.

[rain otter]

what how weak?

[dapper quarry]

drifter is squishy

how is he not weak

[rain otter]

yeah? but they can literally transfer into WYRMS

[dapper quarry]

that doesn't make him not weak

transference is in a gray area

[rain otter]

i don't get it. also you can get way more health have you not upgraded your duviri intrinscs at all?

[dapper quarry]

pretty much

I don't like duvirui.

[rain otter]

okay that's why.

get good. skill issue. like shRug.

[dapper quarry]

The story is also so bizarre

[rain otter]

that's all of warframe bud.

[dapper quarry]

Casually have a citizen turn into a dragon

[rain otter]

like this isn't that different than the holdfasts

[dapper quarry]

indeed

[rain otter]

or the tenno themselves.

[dapper quarry]

It is different

[rain otter]

this still isn't said anywhere.

[ruby pumice]

Explain to me first how thrax is part of the book because I always thought thrax just happened to be manifested along with the book and ruled Duviri in Lodun's place

[dapper quarry]

It's much easier to understand the zariman than duvirui

[rain otter]

the bruden of prOOF IS NOT ON ME ALSO THRAX IS ON THE COVER

[ruby pumice]

Friend chill lol, that's what we are discussing

[dapper quarry]

You see thrax everywhere though

[rain otter]

WHY WOULD THRAX BE ON THE COVER OF A BOOK HE ISNT IN

[ruby pumice]

Fair enough

[rain otter]

this is the original book.

[dapper quarry]

okay

[rain otter]

made by

pre war mother. to help people that where exposed ot the void.

[ruby pumice]

But still there is no denying the drifter had a thrax doll, no?

[rain otter]

oh i don't disagree.

that wasn't the part i was disagreeing with. i was disagreeing that Thrax came from the Doll it's self. the doll is very void charged though.

[ruby pumice]

Right

[tropic venture]

It might be that the doll is what caused the Thrax created to also be a manifestation of our childhood mind, as the lingering feelings tied to it from us mingled with the concept of Thrax in the book

and the whole logistical paradox of "Thrax created Duviri in the book. You created Duviri here. Therefore, you are Thrax, and vice versa"

Similar to when Ordis scans the Drifter and confirms that "Indeed, you are my Operator!" because by technicality, they are

[graceful zodiac]

Thrax didn't make Duviri in the book. Duviri just exists in the book

[tropic venture]

Hm, I assumed that with all the times other Duviri people talk about it it had to have been in the source material and not just come up as a mancover for the Conceptual Embodiment's "plot holes" in Duviri's creation

[rain otter]

Pre war Mother made the Book.

[tropic venture]

yes, I know

[rain otter]

I don't think it is ever said we are Thrax. I think if we looked at Thrax he would be a Doll like every other Duviri Citizen.

[obtuse gyro]

I think Nick is doing a more ontological approach to Thraxness

at least, back when he believed that Thrax made duviri in the book

[tropic venture]

I mostly assumed that based on how all the Duviri citizens say that Thrax created Duviri. Them thinking that could just be Thrax glorifying himself and/or the Void's "coverup" of sorts about the Conceptual Embodiment that created this Duviri (idk if my wording comes across clearly)

[obtuse gyro]

ah, I would think its more simply a funky case of Being made everything and an extra being which everyone believes made everything because they dont know otherwise

which in essence is the same thing that happened with Mara and the Distributary

[tropic venture]

yeah it's almost like just a direct effect of the loophole of "Drifter created Duviri. Thrax is Drifter. Thrax thus created Duviri"

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think we can so much run the Thrax is drifter idea

I would think its more of

[tropic venture]

Thrax in Duviri (not book) is at the very least "imprinted" with the Drifter's childhood emotions

[obtuse gyro]

Drifter made Duviri and Thrax, Drifter dips, and all people see in the end is Thrax. They then think Thrax made duviri

its like King and Saitama

[tropic venture]

they're heavily tied together to the point of kinda being the "same"

[obtuse gyro]

I disagree

Thrax containing memory and some emotions do not mean he is the "same" as Drifter

He is instead a vessel no?

[tropic venture]

Drifter has been in the created Duviri since it was made, no?

[obtuse gyro]

But he has long since abdicated

its not his physical presence that is missing, its his presence as authority

same as Mara and the Distributary

Everyone else believed that Alice Li made the Distributary, this is only because Mara made it look that way

[tropic venture]

The created Duviri at the point of its creation was like the book's story had "already happened", hence why while Drifter has always been there, they're not mentioned in any records or history

[obtuse gyro]

which doesnt change my point whatsover

Drifter abdicated from absolute power in duviri, for Thrax to be in control, this much is known

[tropic venture]

Yes, but the citizens talk about Thrax creating Duviri before the Spiral where we take control

aka. before Drifter left/abdicated

[obtuse gyro]

because what we did in the end of the quest is not the first time Drifter has abdicated

Instead of assuming the position of ruler and master of Duviri when he made duviri, he gave that role over to Thrax, the duvirians, nonethewiser, would see Thrax and then automatically assume that he made Duviri

[tropic venture]

it's the first time we've succeeded. We've tried to before, as we remember Teshin's cave, but we never got as far as we did in the quest

[obtuse gyro]

its not the first time we've succeeded in handing power to thrax

by the very structure of power in Duviri, where Thrax and not drifter is in control despite drifter having made duviri, shows that at the end of the quest, it is the second time we've given duviri to thrax

[prime lantern]

Don't people also refer to us a king

[nova harness]

Yes

He gave them no eyes to see him tho

[prime lantern]

Drifter made thraxx

Thrax has the bits of us that let us manifest our will via ce

[tropic venture]

Drifter's mind is what manifested the created Duviri, but the fact of Tales of Duviri still remains that Thrax rules Duviri.

[prime lantern]

By rebuilding the doll and accepting what happened we retake control of duviri

[tropic venture]

Our overthrowing of him is thanks to external forces in play, letting us deviate from the Story

[nova harness]

Drifter doesn’t want the throne anyway

[prime lantern]

Ultimately giving up the control to save old man teshin

[tropic venture]

The Last Execution being interrupted by the Paracesis and Natah's hand is what let us overthrow him, and that only happened once

[tropic venture]

the "good deal" so to speak

[obtuse gyro]

which is where youre attempting to play with the ontology of thraxness, Drifter is not Thrax, but Thrax is from Drifter. You would be running along the lines of calling the hand a finger instead

[tropic venture]

If we go objectively, Thrax is not the Drifter, no. But they would be one and the same by proxy

[obtuse gyro]

which is where you dive into Thraxness

because this hinges on the relationship of the ruler to Duviri

the Ruler is thrax, and so if Drifter rules duviri, he must be thrax.

But that, is a fallacy

[tropic venture]

That's not what I'm saying but

[sacred flint]

wasn't it that the drifter first created duviri, which sucked in all the you know eternalisme variants of the zariman into it and then gave leadership to another tenno dude?

[tropic venture]

Thrax is a reflection of the Drifter's childhood emotions, which by extension would make him a "version" of the Drifter. And if Thrax is the Drifter, then by proxy the opposite could also work to "utilize" certain loopholes

[tropic venture]

No

The Drifter is the only Tenno in Duviri

[nova harness]

Thrax is a book character not a Tenno

[sacred flint]

ah

[tropic venture]

When Teshin theorizes that Thrax is a Tenno, it's cause we do not yet know how Thrax and the Drifter are directly connected. The Tenno Teshin thinks Thrax is, is really the Drifter

[obtuse gyro]

I see. Main issue is that if Skittergirl is not a "version" of yonta (she isnt, she is her childhood anxiety) then Thrax, being the reflection of Drifter's emotions, cannot be a "version" of the Drifter

There isnt a need either, to generate a proxy, as there arent as much loopholes as there are simply just gaps in knowledge

[prime lantern]

This feels sorta ship of theseus-ey

[amber terrace]

I know this isn’t through strictly official means, I was able to change my ringtone/text tone to Albrecht’s pager noise and it goes harder than diamonds

[near rune]

yooo that's a really cool idea

[viscid quarry]

It is but by god I have no clue how to set it for an iPhone 10

[supple dagger]

Thrax is now a living entity created no different then how Albrecht created Wally no?

Seems to me the whole concept is manifestations of the subconscious into tangible "reality"

The entities are just childishly innocent, which imo is the definition of pure evil. As nothing is more terrifying then that which does not know better, especially with power in their hands.

[graceful zodiac]

No, Wally is an entirely different situation, he's no Conceptual Embodiment

[near rune]

Dominus Thrax is a character written by Euleria and brought to life by the Void, drawing on the Drifter's emotions. The genesis is a bit complex.

[supple dagger]

Emotions projected onto void, void makes thing?

[near rune]

It can

[supple dagger]

I gather that much, just saying void seems like a canvas willing to take whatever form projected into it. Then it takes a life of its own.

[graceful zodiac]

The difference is Wally wasn't made by Albrecht

[supple dagger]

Was it a different scholar?

I always assumed the lore suggests Albrecht.

[near rune]

There is a theory (believed by Sythel and also mentioned as a possibility in the Operator Report) that The Indifference was created by Albrecht (indirectly), but it's not proven and I personally don't subscribe to it

[graceful zodiac]

Sythel is the one that suggests Wally was created by Albrecht, but that doesn't fit with what we know about him

[supple dagger]

Well the bit about looking into the void and the fear taking shape I thought was the accepted creation of Wally? Whats the other competing theories?

[near rune]

Not "accepted creation" but the ravings of a character whose perception is known to be kinda off

[supple dagger]

Unreliable source fair

[near rune]

Rell says that Wally is "old as stars" so I'm inclined to think he's a fundamental aspect of reality

[supple dagger]

I wouldn't be surprised they pull some crap like we go outside of time itself tbh.

I do wish I had experienced Rell later on though as that bit would be much more interesting with the details I'm privy to now.

[graceful zodiac]

The connection between Wally and Albrecht is that Wally learned to to take a physical form by Albrecht falling in

[supple dagger]

Fair have come across that for sure. Its just nice there's at least some level of tangible story though. Prior to recently it all just felt... Random.

[balmy storm]

I have a feeling this is what Sythel may be referring to, Albrecht causing Wally to take a physical form

[prime lantern]

That's the most likely thing

Albrecht gave wally physical shape for him to enact his tomfoolery through

[tawny knot]

I always saw it as wally was like bill cipher, just floating around in some other dimention and used Albrecht (or stan, as the gravity falls equivalent) to get to realms closer to ours

[near rune]

Does that make Bird 3 Mabel?

[rain otter]

Wouldn't Albretch be closer to Ford?

And Loid is Stan.

[warm anvil]

im just waiting for the pager message to change or the ringtone to change

[tropic venture]

idk how to feel about the brothers being compared to Albrecht and Loid

[rain otter]

Fine he can be Fiddleferd and Loid and Necraloid are Stan and Ford. Human Loid being Ford.

[cinder steppe]

literally the Cavia

[valid quarry]

I hate that this isn't wrong

[nova harness]

That might be against the rules but I’m not sure

Just because of the swear word

[tawny knot]

yeah sorry I meant stanford

[desert cargo]

Yo guys sorry to spoil but I had to share ||Hydroid drowns in the end.||

[rain otter]

I also like the Albretch is Fiddleferd and Loid and Necraloid are Stan and Ford. Human Loid being Ford.

[nova harness]

https://youtu.be/6hd-KsHQ54w?si=rTEHZGgx0Eo0r4iv

[kind swallow]

So will the next protoframe be Loki or Volt 😆

[rain otter]

Volt. Loki is like old and bad lmao.

[twin galleon]

So when will we be able to play as jetstream sam I mean Arthur other than that one quest

[rain otter]

Its probably gonna be a whole area like Zariman or The Labs.

And you can do like their missions or normal missions is my guess.

[twin galleon]

I hope because that sounds cool

[amber terrace]

How did Parvos find his way into Albrecht’s Labs? I was under the assumption that The Labs were practically unfindable what with them being (presumably) kilometers under the surface of Deimos and all the infested mass on Deimos’ surface

Like I get it that this shot is probably just for promo purposes, I don’t get how Parvos would find himself walking around Albrecht’s Labs?

[tulip token]

This may have a connection with void and the man on the wall. Deimos Labs are the same as duviri paradox background themes, which means there is a void transition between labs.

[amber terrace]

I guess? By this line of thinking, could Parvos have found a way to use his little area to access different regions of the Origin System that are deeply twinned with the Void?

[rain otter]

Okay a few explanations. 1. The Void somehow brings hom there. 2. Even in his quest he knows of the Entratis cuz he talks about them which is a leg up on every other faction that'snot tenno related so he could just invade Diemos to try to get Entrati stuff.

[near rune]

yeah I basically have this question too

[rain otter]

No one else in the System that isn't Tenno Allied knows about The Entrati and like that Diemos is literally a Gold Mine.

[nova harness]

"Some doors ought to remain closed? That's not in my world view. Fire. Fusion. Void. Progress always comes entangled with risk, with violence. With the precious sample obtained, development is accelerating. The Entrati have kept their secrets long enough."

[rain otter]

Like Parvos is from pre old War And he literally knows about the Entrati.

And the Entrati knew about the Void and he wants VOID STUFF.

[tulip token]

Actually, yes it can, granum void, if we are not mistaken, it is a place kept in the void, so it is possible to travel from place a to point b again with the void.

[nova harness]

Maybe Parvos gets into the lab through us

But there is also those big giant Void doors

[rain otter]

The funniest outcome would be

"I just took this big coprus Ship and Force and drilled into Diemos"

[nova harness]

Parvos told us what he was going to do years ago "Some doors ought to remain closed? That's not in my world view. Fire. Fusion. Void. Progress always comes entangled with risk, with violence. With the precious sample obtained, development is accelerating. The Entrati have kept their secrets long enough."

[rain otter]

This was a pre war recording and this was also him talking about that he blew up a lab the Warframes Raided.

[nova harness]

Well yes but the last part

The Entrati have kept their secrets long enough

Maybe around that time he was going to break in them his incident stopped him

Now he’s back to try again

The image could also just be concept art and be unrelated

And we are thinking too deeply into it

[amber terrace]

Even in his quest he knows of the Entratis cuz he talks about them
If I may, was this during the Spy mission portion of the Deadlock Protocol? I don’t remember Parvos saying anything about the Entrati but that’s probably because it’s been quite a few years since I did the DP quest and my memory isn’t the best

[nova harness]

"Some doors ought to remain closed? That's not in my world view. Fire. Fusion. Void. Progress always comes entangled with risk, with violence. With the precious sample obtained, development is accelerating. The Entrati have kept their secrets long enough."

Entrati were mentioned before Heart of Demios

[amber terrace]

I mean, just because Parvos knows the Entrati name doesn’t intrinsically means that he was buddy buddy with them, especially not with Albrecht? I know Stephen Hawking’s name and am aware of his work in theoretical physics, that doesn’t mean that I was sharing drinks, rubbing shoulders with the guy

So far as I can tell, by the time Parvos had developed his Specter Particle whatsits and his other works that required Entrati knowledge, Albrecht had long since peaced out to 1999? Probably by that time, judging by Citrine’s lore, the Infested bio bomb had already been detonated on Deimos, and the moon was positively a no go zone?

[cinder steppe]

I don't think he was friends with them no, but he probably was smart enough to find a way to find their labs because that's the thing about Parvos: he is strongly driven by his "D E S I R E" and will do anything to get his way.

[south wigeon]

Also unless I am deaf and dumb I vaguely recall a line from Loid saying he dealt with Granum's thugs before or smthn too

[cinder steppe]

There's also the Corpus scientist on Deimos

Latrox Une. He could've found something and told Parvos.

[near rune]

Yeah, so Parvos talking about the Entrati is in the context of him needing their research for the Spectre Particle. He evidently got it, seeing as he has Spectre technology, and Loid fought the guys Parvos sent to get it. Even though Loid "saw them off", they still escaped with the tech.

[south wigeon]

The image of Loid gunning down Granum's thugs with his Zylok Prime wont leave my head now

[nova harness]

He’s a good Butler

[cinder steppe]

And with Parvos studying the Void and whatever the hell he was up to in Zariman, I thought it was inevitable that he would find his way to the labs

[near rune]

Btw, the Entrati aren't really a secret. They're probably hard to reach, but even the Ventkids know about them.

[nova harness]

Gray where does he say he fought them off?

[south wigeon]

somewhere in the quest he has a line about it

[near rune]

during WitW

[south wigeon]

I can't remember when and I really could just be misremembering, I do that often

[nova harness]

Got the quote?

[near rune]

During Mission 2 (the Mirror Defence one)

[cinder steppe]

We need that image Bluprint made of Loid with his Zylok as an emoji

[nova harness]

He probably beat them but they took it without him noticing

[south wigeon]

Tbf I'm pretty sure this guy bodied Granum's thugs, dude runs out against the eldritch monstrosities with nothing but a Zylok prime 💀

[cinder steppe]

So this implies that Parvos tried raiding the labs before the end of the Old War

[nova harness]

Most likely

[south wigeon]

Seeing as he has the specter tech, he actually did so successfully too

[near rune]

Well yeah, we knew that already more or less. Parvos developing Spectre technology was during the Old War.

[nova harness]

Wait so Loid knows upstairs is a mess?

[cinder steppe]

Ofc he does

[south wigeon]

It's certainly gotten more impressive since the place is crawling with necramechs, though idk if they went to those places

[nova harness]

He could Loid beat back the Infestation if he’s been in a box for 1000 years

[south wigeon]

There may have been some time between him smashing the casket and going to sleep

[nova harness]

Does Albrecht know his home is a mess?

[south wigeon]

or he saw to defending the labs from any threats instead of Albrecht

[cinder steppe]

He send NecraLoid back to the family to keep them being a mess. And if you mean the Infested, well if he didn't know, then NecraLoid would've probably told him.

[nova harness]

How could he tell him?

[cinder steppe]

Definitely. The dialog implies that Loid had guarded and maintained the labs on his own for a while

[nova harness]

They aren’t on speaking terms

[cinder steppe]

Well seems like an important thing to tell him. And we did a mission (or maybe more, don't remember) before he sends him back upstairs. So they had a little bit of time together

[nova harness]

Is Necraloid immune to the infestation?

[amber terrace]

Presumably so

Probably helps that(most of the time) he mostly stays in his own little room that still maintains proper quarantine protocols from the rest of the Necralisk

[covert tree]

||Just subsumed my first warframe ever||

[nova harness]

You have other basic frames to kill too?

[covert tree]

No that's em all I saved my first for last still got more basics to subsume but I'll do it later

[balmy storm]

Anyone know the translation / password?

[rain otter]

It's happynewyear i think all together.

[balmy storm]

Ye i got it

Still wanna know the full translation but i understand that’s a harder ask

[amber terrace]

I can only assume that the second picture is the phrase “the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog” based on the illustration. That phrase contains every letter in the English alphabet and given that DE bases a lot of their languages off English, I think Albrecht made this so he could learn 1999’s language easier?

[obtuse gyro]

You are right it is that phrase, it was to make it easier to decode the other message

[amber terrace]

Ah

[obtuse gyro]

Arthur I swear to sol if you leave your bike something something something

And then ps Im supposed to invite you to the new years party so you can consider this is it

Paraphrased

[amber terrace]

Maybe this is because I’m denser than an Osmium ingot and have about the same reading comprehension as one, I see some characters in the bottom text that don’t show up in the post it note?

[balmy storm]

Thank you Bau

[obtuse gyro]

Its because of how vowels work i think. Idk i havent sat down and compared the two texts

[strange moon]

“The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog”?

[obtuse gyro]

Which characters tho? If you dont mind pointing them out

[amber terrace]

At the very least the first character in the message has a little z looking doodad on top of it, that’s the first thing I noticed

If I were able to sit down and look for every instance of a character in the message not showing up in the note, I might be able to find more

I’m not too good at reading text that’s in a non standard English font

[obtuse gyro]

The z is on the last word of the top line

[amber terrace]

I’m talking about the combination of the little z thingy on top of the weird C looking doodad, I didn’t see that character combination in the note

[obtuse gyro]

Thats not how orokin works

The z and the c looking thing are two different sounds

Theyre not one letter

[amber terrace]

And here I thought learning Corpus was rough lol

[obtuse gyro]

Its all phonetic

The c is the "r" in "are" and the z is the a in "ah"

[real niche]

Late but it's "the quick brown fox..." 🤓

[amber terrace]

True true, I forgor the phrase lol

Just fixed it lol

[prime lantern]

Wat dis?

[balmy storm]

It’s on the tennocon site

[near rune]

did you end up getting the info you wanted?

[balmy storm]

Ye, Bau pinged me on the translations

[warm anvil]

i just spent 20 minutes decorating underwater in my drifter camp just to discover i had the angle wrong entirely

[compact acorn]

Real

[nova harness]

Is the Dex Nikana going to be an actual weapon or a skin?

[cyan crest]

i can’t log into the game yet but im gonna guess actual weapon going by the dex dakra and furis

[viscid quarry]

A weapon

[tawny knot]

bruh I've been thinking the same thing for so long

[terse gyro]

I absolutely cannot wait for Jade Shadows. I have been wanting a quest dedicated to the Stalker for years. Second Dream? Fantastic, but he's second fiddle to Hunhow. Shadow Debt? Great event, but that's passed. New War? Great to see him again, but he logically just wasn't a focus. Now it's time for him to be in the spotlight.

[amber terrace]

Just so I understand what DE’s put out so far, after Dante Unbound(3/27/24), the next update is the Jade Shadow(unknown/unknown/24), then fast forward to Tennocon 2024 where DE is gonna show off an amount of 1999 with a hopeful release date of (presumably) late 2024?

[near rune]

That is as I understand it.

[nova harness]

Gray

[balmy storm]

Jade Shadows should be Late May at the earliest and Late June at the latest

[nova harness]

How they implied it made it sound like it was coming not long after Dante

[balmy storm]

Reb said def not April, it could be early May but I kinda doubt that

[nova harness]

Yeah then maybe May or June

[amber terrace]

I was looking over the contents of the Tennocon 2024 Digital pack and I noticed something interesting

The throwing knives skin in the digital pack are designated with the “protokol” moniker, same spelling as the protokol series of pistol skins from Nightwave Nora’s Mix Vol. 3

Am I drawing lines between points that aren’t meant to connect?

Are there gonna be more protokol skins?

[balmy storm]

Probably yeah, the while proto moniker seems directly tied to 1999
Protoframes
Protokol weapons
The Proto-Armor skin for Excal

I wonder if Volt’s Proto skin will be related to Volt’s Protoframe counterpart

[amber terrace]

Ehhh… my guess for a 1999 Volt would be someone with Volt’s body (minus codpiece) with an amount of mil-spec gear

Either that or Arthur and Aoi named the bike Volt

[balmy storm]

Well yeah, Excal’s proto isn’t exactly like Arthur but Volt’s could still have some aspects from his Proto skin

[amber terrace]

True

[near rune]

Volt's proto skin is pretty whack

[amber terrace]

Plus, from what we’ve seen of the 1999 cast, they seem to be wearing their respective frame’s default skins

[zinc timber]

Fairly certain excal proto is Hayden Tenno's suit

[graceful zodiac]

It's a callback to Dark Sector, yes

Same as Nyx Nemesis and Rhino Palatine

[void bolt]

So which one is the real protea prime the concept art or the jade shadows trailer one?

[balmy storm]

There isn’t a jade shadows trailer protea prime so the concept art from the stream

[fading turret]

How long was it between New War and the fall of Narmer? Because there's trees and other flora growing on sentient towers.

[nova harness]

Some time

[slender rune]

Dam we had to kill the wolf of Saturn six

[dapper quarry]

Jade shadows better include jade from Jackie Chan adventures

[dapper quarry]

wow so explanatory

[sacred flint]

A little time indeed

These growths also just could have been there when the NW quest was happening. The war on Cetus ended when they took over so they might have just not moved the sentient corpses cause all they wanted was the temple kuva.

Also earth is infested with genetical modified plants so the plants grow really fast.

The continous war of Cetus vs grineer and the eidolons roaming around generally destroy the continous growing plants and prevent it from taking over. So when no one was around the plants grew

[violet estuary]

||spoiler||

[upbeat parrot]

why you little

[wild oar]

||spoiler||

[quick trail]

Any information needed going into the Jade Shadows quest? I know it's not out yet ofc but it seems like it's gonna be about the Orokin Justice System 😂

[prime lantern]

The jade light is a really complex michealwave

[nova harness]

Jade light killed many people including Mom 2 and Yonta

[jagged acorn]

What about primary skin tho ? I know they had modify those realistic pistol from real world to became those pistol skin , but would they also copy those real rifle for primary skin ? Like AN-94 from Russia Ak- 47 like the one in quest , also could we have AR- 15 as rifle skin ? And HK- 417 as well ?

[amber terrace]

Tbh, I’d rather Arthur’s dakka-47 be an actual weapon and not just a skin

Same with all the other Protokol stuff. I get it that current year DE doesn’t want to put items that contribute Mastery in time gated things like Nightwave reward tiers and Digital Supporter packs, and I agree with the notion

[jagged acorn]

Ah...ok it's fine but just all lack of primary skin even they had created some proto type models but basically still look like a real gun but it just pistol , i just wandering to have some rifle skin as well like at least transfer from the real gun 😑

[fading flame]

there will likely be a series of actual guns from 1999

[jagged acorn]

Sort of like these ?😎

These is very cool , and might feel like more comfortable😎

[barren sparrow]

So...what's the odds of Stalker being an Umbral frame?

[viscid quarry]

I would say none but the chances are so low that one it’s impossible since there’s only one umbra and two: the chances aren’t even existent due to stalker existing as an low guardian and likely was around before umbra

[barren sparrow]

I am...not sure how that precludes him maintaining his consciousness through the Helminth process.

[rain otter]

Also the Myridom has it in their hand.

[formal grove]

just to make sure what I heard is right, is it true that 1999 is going to be an open world?

[rain otter]

Umbra is like mid or even closer to the End of the Old war. Also Stalker is like Pro Orokin.

[rain otter]

No word on that.

[formal grove]

it's been confirmed that Umbra is the only of his kind, and it was a personal punishment by Ballas

[rain otter]

He is also one of the last warframes to be made.

[barren sparrow]

Ah, okay. Kinda a surprise, but okay.

[rain otter]

Umbra is*

[barren sparrow]

Goodness I hope not. We've got enough of those.

[rain otter]

Cuz he is turned into Umbra cuz he wanted to Expose Ballas' dms with Hunhow by giving the other council Ballast Orokin iPad.

Also on the iPad it literally talks about like the operators and tenno so Umbra would have to be one of the last ones the reason he is Umbra is cuz he tries to expose Ballas working with Hunhow.

[dapper quarry]

yonta?? Archimedean yonta?

she is alive and well???

[dapper quarry]

The what?

[pale ravine]

the holdfasts members died and were brought back by void magic

[rain otter]

all the holdfasts died and all their bodies where destroyed during the Zariman incendet. they are all brought back through void stuff.

also they literally have void corruption all over them.

[dapper quarry]

I literally did the quest when did that ever be explained

[rain otter]

(they have less as you rank up)

[dapper quarry]

I see

[rain otter]

They literally are like "We don't wanna turn into Void Angels"

[pale ravine]

It's explained during the quest

[rain otter]

also i will check right now if it was said @dapper quarry in the quest.

[dapper quarry]

yeah I am well aware.
that does not mean they were killed

[rain otter]

okay Why would they not save the adults on the zariman?

[pale ravine]

"The Void creates. Death is merely a blank canvas"

by Quinn

[dapper quarry]

If I'm going to be completely honest I am getting kinda frustrated with the lore and how stupid it is.
people just assume that you have come to the same conclusion as them.

[rain otter]

oh yeah you literally are like "didn't you all die" in the quest.

[rain otter]

this isn't a conclusion it's just things we know. you might not have gotten there yet and that's fair but we aren't trying to belittle you or anything. Like i try to be mostly based in facts when talking about this stuff.

[rain otter]

the Myridom is the thing in the Ivara Levarian that kills her fellow warframes he also has a jade light in his hand.

but yeah the "yeah we all died" thing was said in the quest though.

it didn't say how they died though that is told through the rank ups.

[dapper quarry]

I thought they were just saying the phrase like "I thought I died"

[rain otter]

nah lmao.

[dapper quarry]

regardless it's still annoying how they use "the void" as an escuse

Or "ETERNALISIM" extremely lazy plot device

it's literally like DC comics with "speed force"

[rain otter]

this isn't just the void. also Eternalism as much as people meme it has never been used as a excuse.

[dapper quarry]

How has it not

[rain otter]

it has been a plot point it has never been a excuse.

[pale ravine]

What exactly did it excuse?

[rain otter]

it also has only been a plot point like twice(?) one of which just being like a prime trailer thing.

[dapper quarry]

also I'm 99% they made deimos family important because nobody wants anything to do with that awful moon.
I do not think they are important at all and they are only making stuff about them because THEY ARE BORING AND BAD

[rain otter]

now the void has been a major plot point and the reason behind many things.

[rain otter]

no? wrong? incorrect? people love the family they are cool.

[dapper quarry]

It's going to make a major excuse with 1999

[rain otter]

Mother is a really cool character. also Albretch since diemos came out has been the one that found void travel and been in like the background.

[dapper quarry]

of course he is

[rain otter]

that's not the same point as "They used it as a excuse now"

that is not what you said befor .

[pale ravine]

Did you get an early access to 1999? How can you know?

[rain otter]

yeah also that.

[dapper quarry]

it's literally so obvious

1999

THE PAST

[rain otter]

no?

[pale ravine]

And how does that classify as an excuse? Do you know what that word means?

[rain otter]

also you said they current used eternlism as a excuse and they have not.

[dapper quarry]

zariman

[pale ravine]

How does the zariman classify as an excuse?

[dapper quarry]

zariman has used ETERNALISIM

[rain otter]

how? in what way? enterlism has never been used on the zariman.

[dapper quarry]

it's literally mentioned in the quest

[pale ravine]

And how is using a plot device an excuse?

It's just a thing that happens

[rain otter]

is it where?

[dapper quarry]

because it is much easier to write certain plot devices than others.

it's much easier to take the less detailed route

[rain otter]

i wanna know waht enterlism is used in the zariman quest?

[dapper quarry]

by mother ofc in the .
new war but on the zariman.
I got those mixed up but it's the same place

[pale ravine]

And would you consider the entire duviri questline to be undetailed? Because it's entirely built upon enternalism

[rain otter]

The new war it's a plot point. not a excuse.

[dapper quarry]

duvirui is literally fantasy

[pale ravine]

a fantasy created by whom

[dapper quarry]

I said I got them mixed up.
It's not an excuse In the new war you are correct

[rain otter]

Duviri is the Drifters like where they have been the whole time and how we got lotus back.

you said it was used as a excuse though?

[dapper quarry]

The drifter.
and the drifter exists because of ETERNALISIM

it autocaps btw

[rain otter]

lmao

[pale ravine]

The only quests that use eternalism as a plot device are duviri and new war, probably 1999 when it drops

[dapper quarry]

yes

[pale ravine]

And none of the first 2 suffer because of it

[dapper quarry]

I only really noticed ETERNALISIM more than when it was mentioned,
When I saw 1999

Yes it looks cool but the entire concept is so stupid

[pale ravine]

When the new war dropped there was a small panic that warframe was going to move into silly multiverse storytelling but so far they're handling the concept very well

[dapper quarry]

instead of focusing on the future of the warframe universe orto actually explain origins without having to go back in time bs

They chose 1999

time travel is an overused trope

[graceful zodiac]

So you're mad they're using the plot device they introduce....to future the story?

[dapper quarry]

especially past travel

[pale ravine]

1999 is frankly a bold choice and I support it just for that lol

feels very warframe in that sense

[dapper quarry]

Yes because it won't even be applicable to our current "time travel bla bla rules" because of ETERNALISIM

Like messing up the past will mess up the future.
But that won't be the case with ETERNALISIM

that is why it is an excuse for lazy writing

because they'd rather avoid writing the consequences

[graceful zodiac]

So this sounds like a major you problem then

[dapper quarry]

because the timeline is not linear

[rain otter]

you can dislike the plot points but i just dislike you lying about it. like saying it was used as a excuse for current plot. cuz it hasn't been. you can not like the current plot or what you think 1999 is gonna be but don't misreprsent it.

[rain otter]

it's always werid to call writting lazy to me.

[pale ravine]

It very much has the potential to be a cop-out but it only depends on what the writing team does with it

[rain otter]

espeacially for stuff that isn't out yet.

[pale ravine]

It alone is just a thing that exists

[graceful zodiac]

You've essentially written a narrative in your head that's almost objectively wrong

[dapper quarry]

yes you are correct I thought ETERNALISIM was used in current quests more than it will be in future quests, I acknowledge that.
but I will be honest it is an extremely confusing thing to add in the lore

[rain otter]

is it? all it has been used for is like

[dapper quarry]

duvirui is also ridiculous.
Drifter should've died

[rain otter]

The drifter is from a timeline where they weren;t saved from the zariman.

that is it.

[dapper quarry]

he left the zariman on his own accord did he not?

[graceful zodiac]

It literally isn't. DE fully explained how it works

[rain otter]

I mean the Drifter has literally been in the void for thousands of years and is the only suviror from their zariman. like meh.

[dapper quarry]

how did he breathe in space

[rain otter]

no? they just get out with the help of the operator and teshin and natahs hand.

[graceful zodiac]

Great news, he did. Shame Duviri means it doesn't stick

[rain otter]

it's the void.

[graceful zodiac]

He wasn't in space?

He never was in any place that wouldn't have air to begin with

[dapper quarry]

are you suggesting the void doesn't apply to any laws of thermodynamics or physics

[rain otter]

yeah.

[graceful zodiac]

It kinda doesn't

[dapper quarry]

which why am I surprised at this point

[graceful zodiac]

But also doesn't matter, he was always in a breathable environment

[dapper quarry]

I thought the void was still space but distorted

[rain otter]

no it;s own like dimesion.

[dapper quarry]

yeah I kinda thought that too

[graceful zodiac]

The entire basis of the void is that it doesn't care about conventional physics

That was from the get go

[dapper quarry]

but him being able to be just fine in free "space" is just...why.?. That's just

I can't even anymore man.

[graceful zodiac]

It never was space

He was safe because he never left the environment controlled Zariman

And then was stuck in his "perfect" safe haven

[thick jolt]

That's you overthinking

Drifter was in zariman(life suport)
Duviri gets created during the period zariman was stranded in the void (also as far as we can tell duviri has breathable "air" or whatever they have there)
Drifter goes from zariman to duviri both of which have breathable atmospheres

[obtuse gyro]

Ive been noticing everytime this fella says anything it seems purely reactionary and half-baked

Almost every complaint that he makes seems to be a complaint he had to look for to make

[thick jolt]

feels like the people who skip cutscenes then watch one of those lazily put together lore videos

[obtuse gyro]

That whole "eternalism is an excuse" bit screams "i played the game with my eyes closed"

Because thats a complaint since eternalism was introduced, one that hasnt been vindicated at all

[thick jolt]

yup

[rain otter]

Okay to be fair a lot of that was memes but it was overblown. There was a Lotta like slippy slope stuff about what DE would do with it and stuff like that.

[obtuse gyro]

So many fallicies that just didnt come true

Even teshin being alive isnt even eternalism

[rain otter]

I was someone from Day one that he just falls into the void like we did.

[errant patio]

Hey anyone need help understanding something: you know when on PC you press like I think f12 on keyboard you essentially get out of your warframe suit now question is what character is that specifically

[ocean void]

Operator

Or

Drifter

wait, are you player @errant patio

[errant patio]

Yes I am a player

[ocean void]

Have you done some quest like the Second Dream?

[errant patio]

I think so

Hang on I will check

[errant patio]

second dream, war within, chains of harrow are the ones i completed

[ocean void]

Okay, the Second Dream quest introduce you to the Tenno and The War-Within quest teach you how to use them

Tenno is just another word for Operater

[errant patio]

👍

[tawdry aspen]

Okay so plenty of questions. Just did duviri.

1. Is there 3 operators? I.e. our operator, the drifter who was stuck in void, and the drifter who created the duviri?
2. If the 2 drifters are the same I'm assuming at the end of duviri then the Canon choice is to leave to the origin system and that's when the drifter meets the operator in the Zariman?
3. If u chose to complete new war with drifter did the operator just chill in dormizone? Did the operator go to duviri? Same vis a versa, did the drifter go back to duviri?
4. How does time work, if teshin fell into void hole how is he old when drifter finds him? If the ending is when drifter leaves to zariman and we pick up in new war? Does that mean operator spent all that time in void for narmer to grow? Also since Dax age slowly how long has everyone else been alive that long without aging? I'm guessing this one gets chopped up to void magic.

[rain otter]

there's 2. those drifter are the same. like the Drifter is literally how Natah got back to the system.

like in the new war you can literally see she is just a hand flower thing.

[tawdry aspen]

So in the end of duviri when ur given the choice to leave that's when drifter left to meet the operator in zariman?

But why can u play the quest so early in the game?

[rain otter]

no that's when the drifter goes to the normal system. like when you have to relogin.

[rain otter]

CUZ ITS A PARADOX

[tawdry aspen]

So you become the operator then?

[rain otter]

you don't become the operator

[obtuse gyro]

1. (SOLEY talking about operators as main playable characters) There are two (technically one by TNW). Operator and Drifter. There are no "two drifters"
2. Not so much the canon choice, but we know the drifter leaves duviri to enter the origin system
3. The operator is in you, vice versa
4. Time in the void is funky, drifter has spent the entire time in Duviri, yet never aged to death, and neither did teshin

[tawdry aspen]

So when drifter goes back what's hapening

[rain otter]

the operator can't get out of the void after they are thrown in it.

[obtuse gyro]

because time is funky like that

[tawdry aspen]

But teshin did age? Could it just be it takes a while for him to since dax

[obtuse gyro]

he never aged to death

[rain otter]

the system is controlled by narmer and the drifter has a lotus hand like that is why Natah is in the chair in the ship.

cuz she also falls into the void with the operator.

[obtuse gyro]

time simply is funky in the void

[tawdry aspen]

If it is one and the same person and the within u stuff then howd we talk to the other?

[obtuse gyro]

zariman is a containment zone for unrealised potentials, one of which is the drifter

[tawdry aspen]

Ah okay that makes a bit more sense

[obtuse gyro]

it is stated that people who can see are seeing two void silhouettes inside of you

[rain otter]

they aren't the same same. the Operator was literally stuck in the void that's what ballas did to the normal operato.

[tawdry aspen]

I played new war when it came out and haven't touched arframe since, I don't remember but how did we leave zariman with whoever we chose

[rain otter]

omg

The drifter comes to the way before that.

the operator is literally just stuck in the void they wherre stabbed and thrown into it.

[tawdry aspen]

Wdym

And drifter returns to zariman from duviri correct?

[rain otter]

omg

[obtuse gyro]

you guys are talking about two different things

[rain otter]

Don is asking about what happens after duviir

and then is JUMPING really far ahead.

[obtuse gyro]

you may refer to GMK's answer in the community server

[tawdry aspen]

Ye saw

Doing 2 servers at once lol

But thanks yall

[worthy walrus]

Very smooth gameplay for mobile

You should see me in open world, it much worst like crazy.

[void bolt]

💀

[sick yarrow]

goddamn 💀

[sacred flint]

i can feel the frames calling to me

[frail flower]

god dam-

in other news god i want this in wallpaper engine eversince they added screensavers

[worthy walrus]

If they don’t fix this I can’t play this mode, atleast in open world I’m a bit good but bounties I usually just make sure I’m around people.

It get worst after this, I didn’t want to kill y’all with the worst frame freeze ever, riding the horse is like dude why I’m I even alive right now.

[spare hare]

if I have 5 netrecell chance does it make 10 for one time or it will still 5 so should I spend?

[ocean void]

Should be 5

So just do this week and the next week will be fresh and different

[balmy storm]

Is the archabor guranteed to have a puzzle in the secret room?

[rain otter]

Yeah and it's always the sake puzzle. There's even a like graph for it. As long as you aren't on lone story.

[balmy storm]

I’m not on lone story and no puzzle spawned-

Nvm went to the undercroft and now its here lol

[rain otter]

The room itself is the puzzle.

Lmao oh it fixed itself lmao.

[balmy storm]

Ye

[near rune]

One thing about Duviri is it can be weird if the emotion changes while you're still in the Spiral. That might have been what was going on with the Archarbor, since it only shows up during certain emotions.

[slender rune]

That creepy vocie in druvi

[balmy storm]

Maybe, It was joy at the time

[slender rune]

Why dose this guy have a phone

I'm so confused

What is this pod

Or tomb

Loid what is it

What is happening

What

I'm so confused

[balmy storm]

Are you playing whispers in the wall right now?

[slender rune]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Just keep playing, you’ll have more questions after to ask

[slender rune]

These tablets are orkin

Not tablets but

Paintings

Awake the sleep3r

Dose he mean the guy in the "dream"

The main menu theme

The pod is damaged

Ok what is that tardis like console

Its draining something

Og the pod damages me

Is that the brain

[rain otter]

which one? there are a lotta voices in duvirI?

cuz the "narrator" is like pre-war mother.

[slender rune]

No when you ever get a question right in mini quizzes in there

But what is this green thing

Wait its my operator

I found the sleeper"s pod

Its the second dude

Wait what

Loid is two people

[tall shoal]

Nope, the two pods were for Loid and Albrecht, Loid went to sleep after destroying Albrechts pod

[slender rune]

I'm more confused

What are these birds

[tall shoal]

Okokok, so there were two pods, the first one was for Albrecht Entrati, Mother’s father, and once he went back to 1999 to escape MITW (since 1999 is theoretically the only time he can’t access) Loid destroyed Albrecht’s pod and went to sleep himself, The Sleeper is the name of the mission which is activated by Loid (robot Loid) which is a helper Loid created for the Tenno before he slept

The Sleeper is the operation for which Loid prepared robot Loid for

[slender rune]

Oh no the kavat

Bruh I have to use a mac

My warframe is offline

Now I get to play as iforget his name

[rain otter]

operator or drifter.

[thick jolt]

Honestly no idea which quest he is talking about anymore

[rain otter]

Wisphers.

[tawny knot]

why cant wally access 1999?

[slender rune]

Oh well this is confusing

So im guessing in 1999 its a time loop

[rain otter]

he can just Albrecht just thought he couldn't and that 1999 really mattered if you wonder why.

Let me get it.

@tawny knot this is why.

this might raise more quests for you good cuz everyone else doesn't know either lmao.

[cinder breach]

what is the lore explanation for why the duviri dormizone & acrithis are attached to zariman?

guessing it was explained but I probably missed it

[tawny knot]

so albrecht used math to explain why wally can't go back in time? cool.

[obtuse gyro]

He used math to determine that albrecht needed to go to 1999

[tawny knot]

OH that makes sense

[rain otter]

the Dormizone existed before Duviri came out but Acrithis literally like hacks her way in lmao. Why they are connected cuz Duviri is like literally Zariman remains.

[rain otter]

who?

[obtuse gyro]

The idea that wally couldnt go back is evidently false, so perhaps albrecht had a different truer reason than what he told loid

[rain otter]

yeah.

[tawny knot]

that he thought he had to go there for some reason because of his math

[rain otter]

yeah. also this isn't just math ITS ALCHEMY

[fading flame]

because that zariman is the drifter's zariman

and the drifter created duviri which the zariman then crash landed on

[rain otter]

we don't know about the crash landing part.

[fading flame]

it's literally there

[cinder breach]

thanks!

[tall shoal]

That’s why there’s a theoretically, because Albrecht’s theory and like half the story behind the upcoming 1999 is the thought process that Wally couldn’t access 1999

[obtuse gyro]

Thats what albrecht told loid, but either albrecht gave loid the wrong idea or albrecht was flat out wrong

[viscid quarry]

Btw how are the translation efforts for the wall scribbles albrecht wrote

[rain otter]

i don't remeber.

[obtuse gyro]

so long as they arent in the orokin cypher theyre untranslatable

[viscid quarry]

godamnit loid

[obtuse gyro]

get loided

[viscid quarry]

I already do enough

Loid is the second worst thing

First is caliban of course

[prime lantern]

The albretch symbols are alchemical symbols no?

[viscid quarry]

Yeah but that’s what we know already

I’m asking if we had any progress on that

[obtuse gyro]

the squiggles?

[prime lantern]

Is there more?

[viscid quarry]

Probably not

Unless we missed one in the thousands of missions the wf community has played

[slender rune]

I think I'm almost done with whispers in the walls

I like how everything references 1999

Even the blueprint time references it

[slender rune]

That was weird

[rain otter]

do you have questions? you can ask them in lore if you want.

[magic socket]

hello may i ask something

[obtuse gyro]

shoot

[magic socket]

did anyone already get the drax twin blade

[obtuse gyro]

the what?

[magic socket]

this one

[obtuse gyro]

ah its not time yet

[magic socket]

what time on your country right now?

[mellow hare]

@warm anvil

[warm anvil]

so are you in fortuna or did you make it out of there yet

bc theres two stealth sections

it annoyed me tons too but once i figured it out i was kicking myself lol

[mellow hare]

The 2nd part after I put my mask on

[warm anvil]

are you stuck on the left side

[mellow hare]

Yeah

[static raven]

https://youtu.be/Ay1dNOfiASM?t=296

[mellow hare]

Right side is easy

[warm anvil]

head up the elevator, go the the right, go ontop of the pipes ( dont worry if the deacon spots you) just run cross the pipe, once you get into the room and you need to go back out, theres a hole right behind the deacon

[static raven]

I timestamped it

[mellow hare]

Now that I know about that pipe

much easier

[static raven]

I had the exact same issue

drove me INSANE

[warm anvil]

i kept going to the right over and over and over again and i was so frustrated lol

[warm anvil]

I KNOW RIGHTT?

[mellow hare]

now, the railjacks parts with an unupgraded Railjack

good lord in christ

[raven wharf]

I'm doing the Dante stuff and... ||I feel real sad for Drusus here. Might be because it reminds me of watching business and dedicated shops or such just vanish because of lack of interest or money issues.||

DE I think you're going to make me cry listening to this.

[next moon]

oh no, oh nononono

[warped mist]

Bruhhhh we need 100 stela for tauforged shards

[rain otter]

100 stela is nothing.

chump change if you ever like actually do wisphers missions.

like it's always in the finger coffins.

[nova harness]

I’ve got 1000s of it

[smoky beacon]

Does anyone know if they are planning on doing more with Kahl’s garrison anytime soon?

[chilly pine]

i imagine not, sucks because its a neat part of the game, but now once you have everything... no point

[smoky beacon]

Damn

They really gonna have this huge camp and not have anything in 99% of it

[chilly pine]

yeah

atleast you can decorate it how you want, tho i doubt many care to

[smoky beacon]

I have put a lot of work into decorating my camp, including setting up a bunch of Grineer and corpus articulas.

Although the size adjusting for articulas is broken so they’re really short

Like I think they are slightly smaller than my operator:(

If they were smart they would put an entrance to Duviri somewhere in the camp too, like the one in the dormizone.

[chilly pine]

honestly, could see that, yeah

[smoky beacon]

It has a lot of potential as a larger hub for players to access the various different experiences of the game in one place, and have the camp grow as you progress through it, like we saw with kahl.

[dire snow]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

[smoky beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/moana-delete-maui-delete-this-gif-15101621

[torpid arch]

so is there anything else to this dante thing besides the mission that i just did?

the conduits

[rain otter]

it's disruption. you can buy the parts from loid with the currency if you don't get it from drops.

[torpid arch]

ah i thought there would be more to this

[smoky beacon]

I heard that they are adding a lot more in a hotfix

[rain otter]

there will be a completely new gamemode.

[smoky beacon]

I think next week. It was in #announcements

[rain otter]

next week.

It is a mode Pablo has been working on for literal years.

[near rune]

Won't be able to play the new update for a few hours, but I noticed one thing in the patch notes: one of the new Somachord tones is titled "Yara Jeliira". If that sounds familiar to you, it's part of the vocal track that plays at the climax of Whispers in the Walls, when you touch the other Vessel and Loid realises Albrecht's love. I always wondered if this was meant to be Voidtongue or just random sounds, and I guess now we have our answer.

[viscid quarry]

Any idea where these somachords appear?

[chilly pine]

ive found one in a nook in one of the new tiles, i imagine theyre all in the new tiles

[near rune]

Nah I'm just reading the patch notes atm

[thick jolt]

i found one in a new library puzle room
but my guess is they appear randomly as planetary somachord notes usually do

[viscid quarry]

Damn

[viscid quarry]

Oh a puzzle room?

Also any clue what the reactive crystal in the sanctum simulacrum does

[wide compass]

have we found dantes prex card yet?

[thick jolt]

yup
big library looking room with requiem buttons spread all over it

[nova harness]

Isn’t the whole lab a puzzle room?

[amber terrace]

Is Strun Prime Incarnon good for the new disruption mission? I really don’t like Disruption missions, but I desperately need the Sanctum Simulacrum and the Onos pistol because dakka dakka that looks cool dakkas harder

[prime lantern]

Yea if you have a good build

[amber terrace]

https://overframe.gg/build/465152/strun-prime/strun-incarnon-viral-slash-variants-and-evolution-path/

Does this dakka hard enough to knock down the Demolishers?

[prime lantern]

Yea

[red hedge]

I am unable to Hug the Cavia nor can I customize them any longer. Is this a known issue or do I need to submit a bug ticket?

[real niche]

Do you have Cavia Rank 5

[nova harness]

You have to be rank 5 to hug them too?

[real niche]

That's what I remember hearing

Unless I conflated that with the requirements for Deep Archa-whatever

[golden pelican]

ow my face

[nova harness]

Ow my eyes

[balmy storm]

ow my consciousness

[viscid quarry]

The glow is not to be underestimated

[nova harness]

Light is a powerful weapon

[viscid quarry]

See gara’s passive (it has saved my life several times and I absolutely love it)

[amber terrace]

Gray, if you’re watching this channel, is Loid’s ‘Research Dante’ dialogue archived on your Orokin Archives?

[nova harness]

Just ping him like @viscid quarry does

[amber terrace]

Respectfully, given my fierce aversion to being pinged, I extend that same respect to those I talk to

[nova harness]

Replying and pinging is basically the same thing

[viscid quarry]

Why ping me of all people

[viscid quarry]

@near rune someone calls for thee

[nova harness]

It’s thee

You forgot an e

[viscid quarry]

I could swear I put in the extra e

Damn autocorrect

[nova harness]

I just did rhyming again

[rugged marsh]

Doesn't expect you to be using hundred year old language.

[viscid quarry]

My brother in Christ that language is English

English is English and it’s a damn shame the older stuff has fallen out of use

[rugged marsh]

Agreed, but auto correct isn't that old

[rugged marsh]

And I know it's english

I'm no stoobid

[nova harness]

It’s old English

[rugged marsh]

Ya

[nova harness]

If you wanted to ignore Autocorrect you should use Voidtounge

[rugged marsh]

Isn't this server English only tho?

[nova harness]

Shh

The mods are rarely here

So it’s easier to not get caught

They will probably think it’s just us quoting the game

[near rune]

No, I've been at work all day so none of the new stuff is up

[nova harness]

I thought Warframe was work

[near rune]

I keep asking DE to pay me but they don't return my calls

[nova harness]

Shall we throw them into the Void?

Also Gray was there anything that ever said how much people were on the Zariman?

[near rune]

No. The welcome letter says there were "billions" of applicants, but no word on how many were actually aboard.

[nova harness]

I didn’t think the Origin System even had 1 million people

Let alone billions

[near rune]

In Orokin times? I could see like a hundred billion

[nova harness]

Would explain why they wanted to go to Tau even more

100 billion is a lot

[balmy storm]

We have 8 billion right now on just Earth, the Orokin had what, every planet + a few moons colonized?

[chilly pine]

every planet, their moon(s) and a few micro planets or whatever were calling pluto these days

[nova harness]

I’d assume so

[balmy storm]

oh so they conquered the Oort cloud too
Nothing is sacred 😔

[nova harness]

It usually copies Solar System bar the few changes they add

Like Infested

I wanna see what it looked like before all the Infestation

[balmy storm]

rock

[graceful zodiac]

The same

[chilly pine]

hoenstly id like to see what orokin era lua and deimos actually looked like too

[balmy storm]

Deimos was lumpy
Now it has living lumps

[nova harness]

You can kinda see it with Lua

[balmy storm]

Lua time travel

[nova harness]

It’s mostly the same

[balmy storm]

^
Pretty untouched aside from the collapse