spoiler-chat

[rain otter]

A Lotta people like the 1 prism.

[real niche]

123, until you can make 747 and 177

[high cosmos]

Aight, got it.

Thanks for the advice, friends.

So, raplak, shraksun, lohrin? Am i right on that?

[rain otter]

Refer to the chart @high cosmos

For a 123 yea.

[high cosmos]

K, thanks man.

[polar brook]

1013 percent accuracy

[next zealot]

I don't understand how you can get more than 100% accuracy

[prime lantern]

It's a bug with multishot or aoe weapons I can't remember

[magic summit]

Game gets drunk and gives out random stat

[near rune]

It's every time you hit an enemy divided by how many shots were fired. So multishot will give you great accuracy, as will punch-through and ricochets if those hit enemies too.

If you pull the trigger once with +100% multishot and you hit an enemy and the enemy standing behind him, you just got 400% accuracy.

[autumn turret]

also vauban's flachete orbs is ez accuracy

and i see you are the train man

[rain otter]

At least is someone is having fun with him.

[jade canopy]

I just gave another player 25,000+ overguard!!!!! DE needs to look into this.... lol!

[steady gate]

Icy avalanche applies to anyone in range, not just you
If you hit enough enemies, you could reach that overguard number

[jade canopy]

Isn't it a bit much? The only reason why It stopped there is that is was a Defense.

[steady gate]

No, not really. It has a base cap of 15k, increases with power strength.
You gotta hit so many enemies for that, though.

[prime lantern]

25k ain't alot

[rain otter]

That's overguard which is better.

[rain otter]

Also this is one of the only things Frost has going for him.

[steady gate]

That is overguard

[rain otter]

That's what I mean my bad.

I'll edit it.

[cerulean echo]

Well, this new Abyssal Zone quest is crazy

doing it on steel path just had me face 3 stalker acolytes in one run

[polar brook]

you think 1013 percent is bad... get this...

[nova harness]

Warframe the game where percent isn’t always out of 100

[polar brook]

mines with puncture and AOE damage.... i only used my mines and my swords that entire 30 minute mission

[nova harness]

did you have 0 credits before that mission

[polar brook]

it didnt calculate what i had until after the mission

[nova harness]

Well you got 48k from the mission

[autumn turret]

ive never faced 3, got 2 a few times

were you in a full squad?

[polar brook]

if it gave me the correct amount i would have had negative credits

and it didnt calculate any of the credit counts correctly before or after the mision

[cerulean echo]

i wish, was solo - thank god i was on my Chroma Prime else they'd have wiped the floor with me

[amber terrace]

What’s that one bond, the one where if you kill an Eximus, it reduces the down time of your shoulder buddy? I can’t remember the name : )

[flint garden]

Idk wth i just saw , maybe a part of a future update , maybe a glitch , but after using the parazon on my sister's hound i had the parazon as a weapon , like i aim it and all , can't shoot tho just aim

[lunar tendon]

so Ive been on my first ever zariman bounty for an hour because I cannot for the life of me find the angel or Melica, and I need her to complete the bounty

what am I missing Ive gone through this whole tileset 5 times

[solar monolith]

Wait. Granny's real name is Dagath?

[prime lantern]

Her old name

[rain otter]

old name

but yes.

[polar brook]

my accuracy has improved since last night if it was possible lol

missions are not calculating the rewards correctly

i started with about 4k credits

every mission has been miscalculated since the update

[nova harness]

Are you God?

That’s not any normal aim

[polar brook]

nah i use Vauban mines which have both puncture and AOE for damage... which tends to do this XD

[nova harness]

So when you gonna go for 10k accuracy?

[polar brook]

im working on it now lol

[deep echo]

I just need to know what the probability on these consecutive pulls is

I'm screaming

I didnt know if this was meant ti go in general or since it is a game mechanic it needed to go here

[wild wind]

general or gameplay discussion.
But also GIB.

[lunar tendon]

whats up with my loading screen getting hacked by orokin language

I remember that happening a long time ago

just got it again

[prime lantern]

I believe it's a teaser for the second dream

Should be white orokin text followed by red orokin text

I believe the red text says something along the line of "transference link failed"

[lunar tendon]

nice ty

interesting you can still get that

[late stirrup]

Is there any lore for why kavats have feathers?

The thought just crossed my mind and I got a bit curious

[solar monolith]

Just started Mask of Revenant.....

Nakak knows Onkko is alive? Or did he make the mask before he faked his death?

[obtuse gyro]

Birbkat

[late stirrup]

that's pretty much the response i was expecting
i didn't really think there would be much lore on that
the orokin did like genetically altering things, so kavats shouldn't be any different

[late stirrup]

i don't know too much about that quest or cetus' lore, but my best guess (take it with a grain of salt) is that that question probably won't be answered and will be left up to interpretation
from a narrative perspective it makes the most sense

i don't know for certain so as i said, don't necessarily believe my answer

[vagrant sphinx]

is that transmutation?

[deep echo]

Yessir

I don't think there's a common mob that drops both

[near rune]

Nakak's dialogue indicates she was chosen by the Unum for this task, so she probably is like Quill-adjacent and is allowed to know Onkko is alive. She also has a lot of responsibility relative to her age, so she's known to be fairly responsible.

[nova harness]

Gray I found something that needs updating on Archives

[near rune]

what's up?

[nova harness]

Grandmother dialogue

Says we never knew grandmothers name

[near rune]

Ah yeah. Fixed, ty

[nova harness]

Np

[near rune]

I actually thought to myself that I should change that, when I was adding her new Dagath story, but then I never got around to it.

[nova harness]

I was thinking weather to tell you but then I thought maybe not then remembered you said you want feedback based on new info

[near rune]

Yes, feedback is always good! I can't always keep on top of everything. And I also take suggestions as well; mediocre had some ideas like dark mode that I was able to implement.

[scarlet basalt]

i would kdrive her idk her flat head

[high cosmos]

Where was this from??

[scarlet basalt]

warframe twitter

[wild wind]

oh snap, must be one of the Murmurs

[rain otter]

This is the 90k charity reward.

Seeing some pre-release concept art for Whispers.

[prime lantern]

Neat

[high cosmos]

Very

Nice

[scarlet basalt]

murmur theme going to be hands, that's a neat idea, i wonder why lol

I wonder if the 4 arms/4 legs will be a recurring theme with murmur ennemies

[solar monolith]

Goddamit. I literally just logged in, and got bloody jumpscared by 'him' sitting on my codex table. Wtf?!

[obtuse gyro]

standard

[nova harness]

Did Wally make the Murmur enemies or Albrecht?

[river willow]

we have no idea

most likely wally

[nova harness]

Even if he didn’t he could easily be controlling them to attack

[scarlet basalt]

Duviri : Characters from a book representing moods
Wally : Albretch listening to some psytrance while he's on drugs

[prisma fractal]

You should be happy, mine hasn't been for years... you know what's that like? been alone the whole time. Ordis annoying you and your mother being absent once again despite you saving her from her abusive husband (ballas). You slowly sinking in madness yet you expected to deal with dysfunctional families like Entrati, Veil...

[scarlet basalt]

I guess the murmur ennemies will be a mockery of the vitruvian man ?
It feels like it, something that is trying to be perfect ? But humans doesn't want to be that much perfect, they adapt in the contrary

[fleet veldt]

Stubby arms.

[simple python]

I completely forgot to check in on the streams. I was gonna ask, the next update in december is the whole 1999 story quest, correct?

[flat shadow]

no, 1999 is later. Whispers in the walls is next, I think

[simple python]

Ah... wait was that what the albrecht cutscene was about? I keep getting that ad a few times. Always wondered about it.

[flat shadow]

I think the Albrecht scenes were from 1999

[simple python]

Ah.

[nova harness]

Walbrecht is being set up by Whispers and going all out in 1999

[simple python]

Oh so like New War into Zariman into Duviri?

[nova harness]

Not like that more like Prelude and New War

[simple python]

I might've... confused both Albrecht and 1999 for the same thing. Which makes sense now since they're companion quests to each other

[near rune]

In the TennoLive demo we saw, Albrecht shows up in both Whispers in the Walls and Warframe 1999. He seems to sort of be the link between these two seemingly unconnected things.

[flat shadow]

I lost the line between the two, honestly.

[near rune]

WitW starts with a flashback cinematic of Albrecht getting into the sarcophagus, and ends with the Vessel coming online. The Vessel's face then transitions to Arthur's face, starting the 1999 demo. The 1999 demo then ends with Albrecht showing up and talking to Arthur.

My guess, based on what we have seen, is that WitW will maybe have some flashbacks and lore about Albrecht, but we won't actually see him in-person until 1999, since it sort of seems like he went to 1999 from his lab. But the demo was so vague that this could be completely wrong.

[wild wind]

When the Whispers quest is triggered in the orbiter it leads with the Albrecht flashback, so that can be reasonably assumed to be part of Whispers

However the 1999 bit is clearly a segue and will be tied to 1999

[near rune]

Yeah

[wild wind]

The bit with the Vessel will probably lead to the second half of the Whispers quest instead of 1999

[near rune]

Agree

[wild wind]

I'm guessing the second half of the Whispers quest will be kinda similar to Rising Tide mixed with Angels of the Zariman

[near rune]

I also thought it was funny that, even in their TennoCon demo account, the Waverider quest wasn't finished. Even DE hates that quest.

[wild wind]

I thought that was because the dev build was testing the new version of Waverider

But good eye hahaha

[nova harness]

I thought DE liked the quest

[wild wind]

But yeah, easy versions of bounties to give you a taste for them, themed around getting parts for the Vessel, culminating with launching the vessel to do whatever it is

I hope it's Frame Fighter vs. Wally

[nova harness]

I only recently finished Waverider

It was actually really easy

So Grandmother owns Ventkids now?

[wild wind]

always has

[flat shadow]

I had trouble with it until they reduced some of the reqirements.

no, grandma just owns the vents they live in.

[nova harness]

I thought it was hard because all vids were for PS and PC but I think DE explained the tasks a bit better

And yeah they cut the tasks in half

[near rune]

They made it a lot easier with the Abyss of Dagath update (according to the patchnotes; I'm not gonna do it again to see for myself)

[magic summit]

But will Y2K be present in 1999

[wild wind]

I think that's the joke, yeah

[jagged lake]

You know who would be good infested liches? The zealoids

[high cosmos]

I swear that, at one point DE said something about sentient open world, and infested liches.

I swear, I remember hearing something.

[zenith inlet]

They did

I’m like 90% sure

[graceful zodiac]

They've talked about Infested liches, yes. The only mention of a Sentient open world would've been early early Praghasa concepts

[next zealot]

If we get sentient open worlds, it'll probably be if/when we get to tau

[flat shadow]

I heard that. My recollection was they said it was a cool idea, but it is not in the works at this time. But I could be misremembering. It was a while ago.

[dense walrus]

Loool the hardest qoest ever

[jagged lake]

I'm still under the impression that if we do make it to Tau, the Sentients will have already nuked it from existence to spite the Orokin after losing the old war

And that they've moved to a new, farther system with no easy way for us to get to it

[wild wind]

The sentients haven't been in contact with whatever's back on tau since the Old War iirc

[next zealot]

Like an "If I can't have it nobody can" type thing?

[jagged lake]

Exactly, they know the Orokin really want Tau so it would be the biggest pyrrhic victory imaginable for them

[near rune]

The Sentients in Tau have no way to know they lost the war. Communication from them was severed after Hunhow broke the Solar Rail.

[obtuse gyro]

I dont even know how you'd have that impression when the entire point of the war from the sentient perspective is that they couldnt allow the orokin to destroy Tau like they did Origin.

Them destroying Tau would defeat the purpose

Hunhow went through all that trouble to destroy the one thing that could bring the orokin to Tau and somehow the sentients there decided to destroy the thing theyre trying to protect? Thats super weak

[delicate light]

I also dont think they would destroy whatever there is in the Tau system. Also it would be better that there is something we as players can discover sometime in the future.

But i also think it could be that some sentients would try doing something like destroy just everything there is.

We know they can have different personalities and believes. Like Hunhow or Erra

So sure i can imagine there is a Group under Sentient with name whatever who just want to destroy everything the Orokin wanted.

[twilit geode]

I always had this feeling that if we ever go to Tau, that that would be like… A Warframe sequel setup Y’know?

[prisma sentinel]

who shot my kahl in the head

he's just got a bit of shrapnel stuck in his forehead

[coral grotto]

I think it’s probably just leftover shrapnel from his mask

[sleek sky]

||What if Soulframe is actually in the Tau system||

[obtuse gyro]

idk man theres a distinct lack of sentients and a strange abundances of human-like characters

[sleek sky]

I played New War and am doing Veilbreaker, now Kahl is my favorite character in warframe

[sleek sky]

Kahl of Duty
Gears of Warframe
Mekahl of Honor

[sleek sky]

This dude is out there killing sentients and he got no special void powers. He's the grineer's doomguy

[unkempt zephyr]

kahl can oneshot sentient with a corinth prime, must be god build

[acoustic grail]

Funnily enough Grineer soldiers were created by the Orokin from a Grineer worker who managed to kill a sentient with a shovel.

[rain otter]

A power shovel.

[coral grotto]

"Kahl on lookout for Brothers."

(didnt want to post it in captura since its technically spoiler stuff

[fleet veldt]

I seem to remember Shedu being a weapon from a Sentient quadruped walker that had a whip-arm and stood toe-to-tow against Necramechs (at least from my thinking of them), as well as hearing plans of adding the Sentient Dropship as a killable entity (which hasn't happened besides their appearance in New War).

Still hoping armcannons become viable for Archwing use or that Shedu gets some kind of buff, as it feels lacking for a Sentient armcannon at high levels.

There's also the opportunity they could revisit Praghasa and turn her into an orbital platform that could act as a Sentient Zariman equivalent for a zone full of just Sentient/Narmer stuff.

Though if they ever decide to go to Tau, I'd like to imagine that'd be after the Sol System has been fleshed out.

I mean, completion of the tileset reworks, finality for Melee 3.0, a slew of hijackable vehicles across the factions, Narmer tiles that involve a Murex sabotage mission which could harken to the Void Tower sabotage missions...

[lean juniper]

Any tips on how to make Hunhow in dnd

[wild wind]

huh. The hard part would be mimicking Sentient adaptation tbh

But, Colossal unit with legendary actions to summon mobs

Natural levitation

[lean juniper]

Ok

We also might try to add Praghasa but like ummmm

[wild wind]

I think his attacks would basically be Eldritch Blasts

[lean juniper]

Oh

[wild wind]

Praghasa would be the stage lol

[lean juniper]

Yeah

[wild wind]

Lets see what else... he'd probably get four actions per round, which you could reduce by damaging his limbs

But every time you break a limb his AC, DR and saving throws go up

[high cosmos]

WAIT A MINUTE

THERES WARFRAME D&D???

[lean juniper]

You can probably make warframe in dnd

But like just trying to make hunhow in dnd rn and also probably sentients

[high cosmos]

Ah.

Makes sense

[scarlet basalt]

They confirmed that warframe 1999 ennemies are literally infested
Oh..

[wild wind]

I mean yeah?

[obtuse gyro]

10 credits that someone is going to think this is proof that the infested existed (in that they started) that long ago

[wild wind]

It's the Infested in 1999, not much else to take away from it.

[amber terrace]

If I may ask a silly, perhaps even a goofy, question about Whispers In The Walls, do I need to have my Entrati and Necraloid ranks maxed out to play Whispers?

[rain otter]

We don't know but probably not.

[amber terrace]

I screenshotted this from the Devstream but I still have my paranoia : )

[rain otter]

You should probably level up entranti though cuz its how you get Hemlith.

And good mods from son and stuff.

[amber terrace]

I have the base Helminth section and the archon shard segement

[rain otter]

I mean rank 4 and 5 are easy to get if you are 3 but shRug.

(The second helminth upgrade gives funny random weekly Buffs you can use if you want.) Oh it's called the invigoration segment.

[amber terrace]

The two biggest things that kept me from leveling up Deimos is that I couldn’t level it how I leveled Fortuna, where I mined every node on the map and turned in what I had, and the fact that I simp super hard for Hildryn and Hildryn has a hard time against the infested; so both of those are total skill issues on my end lol : )

[rain otter]

Fair.

[wild wind]

you can totally rank it that way, you just need to go into the caves where the isovault missions are, and trade for Otak medallions

[amber terrace]

Is it also a valid play to do the endless bounties until you’re throwing up Mother tokens on your shoes? One of my friends recommended I rank up Deimos that way

[wild wind]

Yeah that's a good way, though the best way is the tier 5 bounty

Running that twice is basically going to cap your standing for the day

[amber terrace]

I have a standing cap of 28,500(forgive me for such low amount, I’m only MR 25 )

Will I hit max with that standing cap?

[wild wind]

Might take 3 sometimes, but that just means you have to play less the next day

(Deimos is secretly the most efficient open world farm in the game)

[obtuse gyro]

just run t5 bounties for perhaps 6-8 times and you already have almost the maximum of R5 standing cap

[wild wind]

yup

[amber terrace]

So the play to max out Entrati standing is to do an amount of T 5 bounties, what’s the play for Necraloid standing?

[wild wind]

tier 3 isovaults

You also need a number of tier 1s for rank up materials

[amber terrace]

I’m like rank 1 with the Necraloid with enough standing to hit rank 2, just need some stuff from Father/Vilcor

[wild wind]

yeah, it's pretty simple itself

[amber terrace]

Also, is Necraloid standing only three tiers?

[rain otter]

Yes?

I'm pretty sure

[amber terrace]

Just to clarify, this is the play to hit max Entrati?

[rain otter]

Yeah

Cuz you get like 13k standing each run.

And you can just horde them.

[amber terrace]

Cool

Welp I’m off to fight the infested… as Hildryn Prime because I’m as stubborn as I am dense, and I’m very dense

[rain otter]

Are you using the pillage augment

That would help.

[amber terrace]

I run at a toasty 412% strength and I have [Blazing Pillage], but even with those two, getting consistent shield fills off of infested enemies is kinda a pain in the unmentionables

[wild wind]

remember that the Deimos infested are completely immune to viral as well!

Nezha or Hydroid are good choices for Deimos by the by

[amber terrace]

If I get an affinity booster from daily log ins, I’m gonna have to remember to level up Hydroid Prime now that he’s actually viable now lol

[sleek sky]

Didn't melee 3.0 already come out a while ago

[fleet veldt]

Nah, we're still missing the replacement for Channelling (the 'Devil Trigger' mode Reb spoke of once-upon-a-stream) and sword+sidearm dual-wielding (which -was- teased in New War with Kahl but didn't seem to make the cut).

[rain otter]

If you want a Build I can send you one.

[amber terrace]

https://overframe.gg/build/276457/hydroid-prime/surging-tempest-hydroid-tempest-barrage-nuke-loot-general-use-steel-path-casual-or-endurance/

The fine folks at #builds-discussion gave me this but I appreciate the offer : )

[rain otter]

I would change this a little bit but this is good. (I use nourish instead of the wisp ability and I don't use pilfering) but otherwise similar.

I use this and then 5 red duration shards lmao. @amber terrace

That build they gave you also works though.

[amber terrace]

Are the five duration shards 100% necessary? I’m a tad tight on Crimson Shards at the moment

[rain otter]

No

I just like um.

If you just put like 1 or 2 it would be fine.

and add more as you get them.

[late stirrup]

does anyone thing we're going to meet bitey scratchikins in the whispers in the wall update?

it would be pretty cool to have to have a bossfight against him

[late stirrup]

Why would you use viral tempest and nourish?

It seems a bit overkill

[rain otter]

cuz we want to giveour weapons corrosive and Viral.

also we want the energy cuz we are down in effeincy.

[late stirrup]

Doesn't Nourish apply to abilities as well?

[amber terrace]

I also don’t have nourish, how kneecapped am I?

Also, the second I get this seriglass shard, I’m not touching Deimos unless Whispers In The Walls require Necraloid standing to be maxed, which going off of DE’s statements, doesn’t seem to be the case

[rain otter]

Yeah but that part doesn't really matter m.

[wild wind]

bro get Trumna

it'll take its own seriglass shard but it is SUCH a good gun

[amber terrace]

Is it better than the Latron, Braton, Burston, Soma, Strun, Boltor, or Boar Incarnons?

[wild wind]

Yes to all but Burston

or wait, Burston Prime incarnon?

Or regular

[amber terrace]

Assume everything is Prime

[wild wind]

aight yeah it's better than everything but Burston

[amber terrace]

I also forgor to include the Torid Incarnon

[wild wind]

I like it better than Torid too

It's basically a handheld Mausolon

[amber terrace]

I like to look at it like this, I am very comfortable with what I use, I get funny numbers with the stuff I use, and I don’t like doing the grindy stuff of open worlds like mining, fishing, or “cOnSeRvAtIoN”(it’s hunting let’s be real here)

Bounties and I guess passive material gathering from the open worlds are about as much as I’ll willingly do if I don’t have anything I’m looking for from the open worlds

[wild wind]

I mean, just run Mother bounties twice and turn in bits to father and you have what you need to get the bp

the seriglass shard is minorly annoying but not that awful

[amber terrace]

Forgive me for this, after the Fortuna grind, I’m a tad weary of open world stuff

[wild wind]

Fortuna's the worst grind, Deimos is the best

[amber terrace]

And on hunting, I’m as poor a shot as I am a conversationalist so hunting is a tad too high brow for me lol

[wild wind]

I quit the game over Fortuna and stayed away for three years

Hunting is only necessary for Cetus farming occasionally

[amber terrace]

I want to get the grandmother tokens as fast as possible, so that means getting as many tokens from the rest of the family members as I can

[wild wind]

probably best to run isovaults

[amber terrace]

?

[wild wind]

Isovaults drop a random amount of Deimos resources, including gems, fish parts and environmental materials

[amber terrace]

But do they drop tags?

[wild wind]

Naw

[amber terrace]

Darn I guess I’m gonna need to work on my aim

[wild wind]

you can get those just around from downed vulpaphylas and predasites though

[amber terrace]

True true, the bit that I’m trying to get across is that I want to drain these get as many tokens out of the Deimos rouge’s gallery, and that means hunting as many Deimos critters as I can so I can trade the tags with Son/Kermerros and get as many Grandma Tokens as possible

I really want that seriglass shard so this whole nightmare can be over for at least a few days

Can ya tell?

[wild wind]

lol just a bit. But I actually enjoyed the open world stuff soooooo

[amber terrace]

I would have too, but the Fortuna grind killed my love of open worlds

It was like a daily ritual, every day at daily reset I’d spend the better part of an hour mining every nook and cranny on the Vallis, turn in what I could to Smokefinger without going over my stupidly low standing cap because I was barely Mastery Rank 11 or 12 at the time, and then repeat

[wild wind]

that sounds even worse than doing bounties

[amber terrace]

It was

And I didn’t do hunting because, as stated previously, I am a terrible shot, and fishing I deemed to be too low standing to really mean much

Like I got all the fish and their plates for my orbiter but once I got that, I was done fishing on Fortuna

[rain otter]

Use Ivara.

You just gotta get close with the sleep arrow.

[amber terrace]

Ah, does this require a good hand? I’m on controller and even then, I’m as poor as shot as I am a conversationalist

I heard one of my friends recommend me Ivara, or that might have been someone here from some time ago, can’t remember much this late at night lol

[rain otter]

Lul

[near rune]

Ivara is so great for Conservation. Sleep Arrow affects a small area where the arrow hits so you don't need to have good aim at all. And it hits multiple animals if they're in a group and it'll knock out the animals that take multiple darts.

[amber terrace]

Idk why but this gives me mad worm on a string vibes /pos /lh

[frozen stump]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-worm-meme-worm-time-close-up-meme-cloudsleepy-gif-16045187

[amber terrace]

I can perfectly imagine it scuttling across my kitchen floor looking for chips

But he will be sad to learn that there are no chips because I eated them all, including the bad ones

[frozen stump]

the 'hands' kind of look like whale skeleton fins.

[amber terrace]

Hmmm… Orokin Waltzes. Perhaps Albrecht had some playing in his lab during his experiments with the Void and Wally was somehow able to interpret the rhythm and use it as a base of communication? Rap tap tap, one two three, knock knock knock. It’s late for me and I’m about to try to go to bed

[abstract trellis]

Why they kill margulis

Like I know it said they were afraid of the Tenno and she was advocating for them but like they ended up using the Tenno anyways

Just seems odd they would execute an Archimedean over something that they changed their minds about like 3 seconds later

And it’s kind of a significant event I mean it was arguably the tipping point for the Tenno deciding to slaughter all the orokin and ballas deciding to sell out the whole galaxy

Kinda feel like something that important should make sense

[prime lantern]

Because she had much more control over the tenno and she didn't want them to be weapons

[abstract trellis]

I could see that

[prime lantern]

So she would refuse to train the tenno to fight

[abstract trellis]

Or tell them to refuse other trainers yeah

[prime lantern]

Jah

[abstract trellis]

I guess just removing someone influential consolidates some power

[prime lantern]

Also I imagine ballas despite what he shows wanted Margulis dead

After all with Margulis dead he could replace her with natah

And have control over the tenno through natah

[abstract trellis]

I thought he said in the sacrifice that the whole reason he defected to the sentient was because margulis died

He didn’t seem to care much for natah I mean he literally killed her in new war

[prime lantern]

He couldn't really control her anymore

[obtuse gyro]

dont forget that they condemned her to death for "her apostasy", they were executing her for cursing them out

[abstract trellis]

True actually that’s a good point

They would execute someone just for giving them a dirty look

And she said they were rotten to the core

Poor margulis man

[prime lantern]

Yea

[abstract trellis]

I don’t think I’ll ever get over her death

[prime lantern]

They also execute people for having wrong scientific ventures

The Archimedean symposium

[abstract trellis]

Lmao yeah

[prime lantern]

A nasty ordeal

[abstract trellis]

Oh true that’s right

Yeah I guess Archimedeans didn’t mean too much to them

Just more pawns

I gotta say, I love the Tenno lore lol. I really like that we’re not typical good guys

Warframes are described as scary demons and Tenno straight up killed an entire caste and destroyed their empire

But like they had it coming it’s just kind of refreshing to see protagonists that are willing to get their hands dirty

[prime lantern]

I like the lore I just wish it was more grey

I can't rationalize the actions of really any enemy faction

So everyone working against the tenno are objectively evil

And the tenno have done 1 morally questionable thing

[graceful zodiac]

You're not meant to. As factions they're meant to be fully reprehensible.

It's actual facists and mega corpos

[prime lantern]

Yes I am completely aware of what they are

I wish it was different

But they are what they are

Even with comically evil factions I can atleast understand them

Astia you've played destiny right?

[graceful zodiac]

I have. The only faction to sympathize with are the Eliksni

[prime lantern]

That is of your own opinion

But sometimes I feel a smidgen bad for the hive

The universe is not black and white

[graceful zodiac]

There's a difference between black and white and it being morally good to fight against a faction

Like, it will always be right to fight the Hive, they're a xenocidal death cult

[prime lantern]

Yea

[graceful zodiac]

Sure, in the end they were tricked into being that, but they've fully bought into the Kool-Aid at this point and that's not really changing

[prime lantern]

Sava and xivu have questioned there own logic

Xivu crying over the death of oryx and savathun leaving sword logic entirely

[graceful zodiac]

She can be sad and still buy into the kool-aid

[prime lantern]

Except crying over the death of her brother is heresy to the Kool aid

[graceful zodiac]

And yet still drinks it without a doubt

[amber terrace]

I’m on the home stretch for being ready for Whispers! All I need to do now is turn in Mom tokens for the next three days because I got a stockpile of Mom tokens yesterday, and then after that it’s the Necraloid grind, which I’m already partially done with! All I need is a bucket of void traces, matrixes, some weapon parts I can buy from Father, Father tokens, which are relatively easy to get if you play a lot of Deimos, and a fast way to get standing

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[tall shoal]

Me before even thinking of doing nw or Waverider

[amber terrace]

Waverider sucks, DE says it’s supposed to suck slightly less now but it’s still a horrible quest

You also don’t need Entrati standing for New War shenanigans

[next zealot]

Why do you need to rank up those syndicates for whispers?

[wild wind]

You might need to rank up to build a mech for NW if you're not paying

[amber terrace]

Whispers takes place on Deimos and to get to the play space(or at least the demo’s play space), you need to access it through the Necraloid room. While DE has given no word on whether or not you need Deimos to be ranked up to do Whispers, I want to be on the safe side : )

[nova harness]

They have said requirements for Whispers? I missed Devstream due to Virtigo

[unkempt zephyr]

TNW

[nova harness]

Just New War?

[unkempt zephyr]

I can only rmbr that

[nova harness]

I thought it was gonna need like r3 Necraloid standing if it’s just New War that’s good

[unkempt zephyr]

imagine if it needs it at max

[amber terrace]

That’s why I’m scrambling harder than an egg to get my Deimos ranked up

All I need to hit rank two with the Necraloid is a bucket of void traces and a weapon part blueprint, and then after that I just need to get 44k standing, which should take me about two days if I hit my standing cap each day, then after that I need to get another bucket of void traces and another weapon part

[tiny stream]

HAI

[next zealot]

That makes sense

[long light]

I believe they said completing the new war was the only requirement on the latest devstream but I may be thinking of something else. I don’t know what that ‘something else’ could be, though.

[amber terrace]

At least it’s still a good idea to rank up Deimos just to have it done, right?

[long light]

I don’t see why not

Since this update takes place in Deimos, there may be more benefits to levelling them up post-update. even if not, it’s a step towards total completion and access to everything

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[amber terrace]

Plus it gets it out of the way and, as a certified Hildryn simp main, Deimos is very irritating

[rain otter]

Like I said it has good rewards at level 5.

[amber terrace]

Home stretch, now all I need is Entrati rank 5 and I’m ~41.1% (40,700/99,000) of the way there

Whispers here I come

[steady gate]

Yep. The Archon shard takes more damage than an actual headshot

[long sparrow]

Anyone has sevagoth deluxe leaks? Except for concept art

[obtuse gyro]

1. No leaks in this server
2. how is there going to be anything else, they just revealed the damn concept art

[long sparrow]

Wait why? Isnt it a spoiler chat?💀

[long sparrow]

It was revealed 3 months ago at tennocon

[obtuse gyro]

Read the rules

[long sparrow]

💀💀💀

Spoilers => no leaks
Bro this whole server is so🤓🤓🤓

Not surprised tho, official server anyways

[obtuse gyro]

you have an incredible understanding of what is a spoiler

[cerulean echo]

They really have to remove the stagger animation from kahl, the number of times i've had to restart missions cause i got stunlocked to death is getting ridiculous

[unkempt zephyr]

spoilers here means content that new players haven't get to or learned about, not sharing actual data of stuff they haven't release yet, not sure which part you're confused about

[long sparrow]

Alr then will search for leaks somewhere else ty

[next zealot]

Spoiler ≠ leak

[craggy solstice]

Unless it's from official sources, no future content that hasn't been implemented please.

[rain otter]

Like we have this from Offical sources

Look at um.

[nova harness]

What is this?

Looks weird

[rain otter]

A his new shoulder attachedment that when used the little fish buddy flies around you.

[nova harness]

Flying fish?

[rain otter]

They showed it on Stream. It was called like "jilly wag" or something

[nova harness]

I missed the stream due to medical stuff wish I could’ve watched it lol

[rain otter]

Oh it's "gillychap"

[flat shadow]

It's a shoulder plate. The fish flies around when you have it equipped. Looks super cute.

[rain otter]

Yeah.

[flat shadow]

I am hoping we will get more like this. I'd love a little parrot or bunny or something like it.

[nova harness]

It probably fits perfectly with Hydroid

[still swan]

new concept art for wispers in wall

[wild wind]

Folded Vitruvian man is giving me low-key heebie jeebies

[amber terrace]

Rather silly question: will the events of the Angels of The Zariman quest play any roll in Whispers In The Walls?

[wicked iron]

We'll have to wait and see.

[amber terrace]

I ask because I was thinking about what Whispers could be based on what DE have shown and told us, and I can’t really find a place to put the Zariman in the story chronology

Like the Zariman seems to be just a staging ground for Duviri stuff

[wild wind]

Hm? Zariman is a direct follow up to The New War in addition to literally bridging the Drifter content

It introduced the idea that Wally was trying to breach the veil between reality and the void

[amber terrace]

True true, I guess now my question is where does Whispers fit into this? Is Whispers post Zariman?

[wicked iron]

Whispers will be past it, yes.

[mint folio]

The only real connection they might put between the Zariman and Whispers is that something happened to the reliquary drive on the zariman which lead to the Kalymos Sequenz and Loids dreams but they probably won't touch it till they can show what duviri will be useful for according to Lost Island lore.

[amber terrace]

Ah, thanks for clarifying. I was kinda bummed out about the Zariman pretty much being a content island even when factoring in Duviri, so to see the Zariman have any relevance outside of being another syndicate to level up would be nice : )

[next zealot]

If it's going to be connected to any pre-existing locations, it's probably going to be Deimos/The Zariman, probably Deimos though because Albrecht

it also might be standalone content, we have no way of knowing until it comes out

[amber terrace]

During Tennocon 2023, DE does a demo of Whispers In The Wall(Whispers henceforth for brevity) and the player is shown entering Albrecht’s lab via the Necraloid room in the Necralisk : )

And Albrecht’s Lab is shown to be the staging area of ventures into Void Space where we do… something I guess(?) against… The Man In The Wall?

[next zealot]

Also this is happening
#lore-discussion message

Scales coming out

[amber terrace]

Like this will forever confuse me, why are we fighting The Man In The Wall? Isn’t he kinda a driving reason as to why we have void tech(Albrecht Transmissions in Necraloid Room) and why the Operators have their void devilry(New War cutscene)

The only reason I can find for us wanting to mess with The Man In The Wall(Jolly Wally or Wally henceforth for brevity) is because he’s an eldritch horror beyond human comprehension and even then, that doesn’t really hold water with me

[next zealot]

His intentions aren't really known, so we're just trying to keep him at bay as a precaution is my guess

[wild wind]

He's not helping us because he's on our side, he's helping us because he's using us to crack reality like an egg

[amber terrace]

If I had to shoot a random shot into the dark(or rather unlight), would it be a valid perspective to say that Wally is a vehicle of entropy, trying to bring void space and real space to the same energy level?

[wild wind]

We're fighting him now because the forces that were oppressing us before, like the Sentients, Rell and Ballas we're keeping him at bay

Yeah that's probably it

[next zealot]

Which wouldn't be good because the void really likes emotions, and the void leaking into reality would be a good source of strong emotions

[magic summit]

Void: that's a nice emotion you have there... GIVE ME MORE

[twilit geode]

I’ve said it before, but I sincerely, honestly, 100% desperately want them to never actually “explain” The Man In The Wall. It is a brilliant antagonist. And they’ve captured a special kind of unknowable Eldritch entity kind of mystery and fear. Which means that if they turn this cosmic horror into a physical thing that we just kill cause we shot it with a few normal bullets and plot lasers, it will be one of the most disappointing and anti-climactic things ever. And a detriment to Warframe as a whole.
Because the simple fact is this: The worst thing you can do with Cosmic Horror, is explain it in understandable terms. Because then it’s no longer Cosmic Horror. It’s contrived nonsense at that point that is powerful for years of the game’s lifespan before plot reasons decide to make it weak, and destroy not just it. But the mystery and intrigue around it.

[obtuse gyro]

man does not want to know cthulu

homie is calling and you wanna put down the phone

no wonder he wants to be like us, he wants friends who don't hang up on him

[twilit geode]

I want Warframe to never even explain them clear to when Warframe eventually shuts down. Let people theorycraft and appreciate a well-crafted villain rather than pull an ActivisionBlizzard and turn every WoW villain we might have liked in the past into some milquetoast bloated mess of writing.

[obtuse gyro]

let wally into your heart (and home and heart literally and skin, become him WEENDASWEBEGANWEENDASWEBEGANWEENDASWEBEGAN

[twilit geode]

The only logical way I could see a fight going with Wally is a situation in which you have this grand battle, and you are making progress, until a certain point where whatever manifestation of the void at that time starts laughing and basically shows they’ve been toying with you, feeding off of the emotions or something. Thanking you for the entertainment and then casually flitting off before once again aiding you sinisterly as they always have been just because like Joker with Batman, “I can’t kill you, because you’re just too much fun!”

[obtuse gyro]

He needs us to be us

Stare into the Void and your fear takes shape your shape my shape shape shape shape

We cant take away him from him, me from me, you from you

[graceful zodiac]

Eldrith Horror doesn't need to be some eternal mystery to have value. You can do cosmic horror and still explain their existence just fine. It's no different than the 40k Chaos Gods or the Elder Scrolls Daedric Princes

[obtuse gyro]

I think his issue is really explaining like revealing the man behind the curtain

and not "here is how they began, and this is where they stand"

[graceful zodiac]

Hell, even the archtypical horrors like Cthulu or Nyarlatothep have an explanation to them

[obtuse gyro]

What can incomprehensible horrors do, as they are explained away by r/ELI5

[twilit geode]

That’s the thing, we basically just know the gist of the 40K Chaos Gods. Because that’s all we need to know. Go further than that. And the cracks begin to form. It is VERY difficult to write them correctly. And I’ve seen too many cases of attempts falling flat resulting in years of buildup of theorycrafting and lore being retconned into something that ultimately feels disconnected and bland.

[frail nymph]

Does anyone remember the QnA answer by Pablo about a giant statue having an animation on it by mistake and how it looked insane?
I want to believe that the animation for the vessel was accidentally applied to the thing in Duviri
And I also want the vessels to be how Operator helps Drifter

[wicked iron]

In fairness, there is no such thing as cosmic horror. Every creature has a motivation, even if it's just "mindless" chaos.

[twilit geode]

The cosmic part of it usually comes from the full scope of their power, reach, etc. Like with Cthulu and such, humans are literally no more to them than ants are to us. Motives can be simple in summary, but not everything has to be explained away to the point that you could make a comprehensive guide to them like a person's wikipedia biogrophy.

It's all about leaving plenty enough unexplained, yet tease bits of it to fuel the imagination. To create mystique, curiosity, fascination.

[wicked iron]

I personally think that if by the end it is left that way that I would probably be disappointed. No thinking entity has goals that far beyond human comprehension. Even if we don't quite understand why specific things are being done, we are still fully capable of grasping the end goals, I believe.

Naturally, we cannot understand what is not explained to us. I just don't think that there is anything that is so far beyond our comprehension, in regards to motivations, that we can't grasp it, is all.

[prime lantern]

Bad motives make for bad overarching villains

Like if a minor villains goal is just mindless chaos it's ehh whatever

But if the main big bad is just mindless chaos then it's just a boring villain

[wicked iron]

That was just an example, but it's by no means the only kind of motivation a villain can have.

[amber terrace]

All I know is that I don’t want to end up shooting Wally in a boss fight

I feel that a Wally boss fight would be misguided because so far as I can tell, Wally is either a consciousness born from the void, or the consciousness of the void given form by Albrecht’s first voyage and/or the cumulative emotional volatility of humanity

Like why would we want to kill that? Best case scenario: we kill Wally and nothing happens
Worst case scenario: we kill Wally and it brings all the void tech in the system to a screeching halt

[rain otter]

I mean I don't think Wally can be all of the Void cuz lies Thrax and all of duviri Exists and they fight Wally.

I like the idea of like many different void beings and not just Wally though Wally being the big Void bad is fine.

[amber terrace]

Ah, so the consensus is that Wally is one of many consciousnesses born of the Void?

[rain otter]

Idk about consensus but it makes the most sense and us the most interesting.

Especially since like the tenno themselves is a as the holdfast call us "a void born paradox" that "shines bright".

Like we are powerful enough with the void/radiate enough good void vibes to turn back the holdfasts void corruption.

[scarlet basalt]

he just feels like he is a chaos god from warhammer 40k
Like one that gathered so much power, he is somehow an incarnation of something (i guess malice ?).
Still wonder how the story could even go on against wally because it seems like there's no way to defeat it

[amber terrace]

Still wonder how the story could even go on against wally because it seems like there’s no way to defeat it
This!!! Exactly this statement. Even if, even if, DE finds a way we can kill wally, what’s gonna happen after the dust settles?

[nova harness]

We probably won’t ever kill just find ways to hold back

[rain otter]

We imprison him in a time cube./s

[prime lantern]

If we kill wally what could ever be a threat to us

[nova harness]

Nullifier

[scarlet basalt]

"Dormamu i've came to bargain"

[scarlet basalt]

well, aliens
Like we don't know if they use the void, we don't know how crazy their artillery can get, we don't know anything...So like they're potentially a threat that could be on par with wally

[prime lantern]

De has already stated their won't be aliens

[scarlet basalt]

then other~~ warp~~ void entities

[slate abyss]

okay question

||I think I messed up the unlocking of the Tempestarii song||

||I scanned the fragment in my hangar thinking it was fine||

I don't want to do the quest again for the little fragment

[wild wind]

Might have to

[flat shadow]

You don't have to finish the quest, but you will have to restart to scan all the somachords.

[storm raft]

any tips on beating stalker in the second dream? i don't seem to get past his attacks. i already got close and did the somatic link thing once, but i don't even know what happened there. meeting his red attacks with the attack from the operator seem to knock us back too.

[wild wind]

You have to reach the chair to charge the gem over it, while not letting his sword blasts reach you

You can either avoid or blast the blasts

[frozen stump]

the idea - not confirmed - is that ||the actual "man in the wall" is the main entitiy - the void is a consinsness but trapped within 'the wall'. But, it does create smaller verions of itself as mirror-reflections of anyone who enters the void - Albect being the first, and aaaaaaaaalll the lil tenno second.||

[obtuse gyro]

super technically it was yonta second

[frozen stump]

Also, while its difficult, it is possible explain cosmic entities like The Man in the Wall and Chthulu - Its the manifestation of... ||infinity. And when confronted by true, endless infinity... You go mad. Drowining in the void ocean.||

[frozen stump]

^ well, ||all the holdfasts are dead. Sorry. The ones that you know now, are actually just void manifestations - as 'real' as Thrax, and the other duviri characters.||

[obtuse gyro]

not what I said

you said the tenno were the second, but yonta had her own clone long before we even had the accident

[frozen stump]

oh yeah, I forgot she mentions seeing herself.

but did she actually enter the void before that happened?

[obtuse gyro]

she still got her clone

she was in extremely close proximity to the finger drive

meaning: there isnt a need for someone to specifically enter the void before wally generates a clone

[frozen stump]

maybe, or maybe she has traveresed through the void before. the solar rails use the void to allow you to travel FTL? Cause then that means that anyone whos ever used those rails has a doppleganger - thats a lot of void manifestations that might be hostile. though albrect mentioned when he ventured into the void he used a seriglass bell, so maybe spacecraft prevent you from being directly exposed to the void and prevent your doppleganger from appearing.

armies of grinning grineer

[obtuse gyro]

eh, thats under the assumption that its through the entry into the void is what results in Wally making a clone in your shape. So basically youre supporting your speculation with speculation. Furthermore, Albrecht laments that no one else who's gone into void expeditions after him saw the doppleganger, so a void clone is not a guaranteed event after void exposure, therefore your original idea of "enter void = clone" already starts on shakey ground

And you can't really argue that the ones who went after albrecht were protected from exposure, because they specifically had to use Isolation Vaults to regain their sanity after an expedition

Additionally, we also have had Rell who held back Wally all this time after the Zariman Incident, which likely accounted for further lack of generated clones in real space, something that we now do, at the cost of us now having a clone

which would then explain why the people of duviri have had their own encounter with clones, since theyre in the void, thus not really enjoying the effects of anyone holding Wally back from real space

[frozen stump]

maybe. but also its not like the lore of the void is super consistent. Mostly, all we have is speculation to connect the little bits of things that we do know.

[nova harness]

Things in the Void don’t always need Wally to work that’s been shown

[prime lantern]

The holdfasts are definitely real

And definitely realer then thrax

[frozen stump]

Conceptual Embodiment - Raw emotions meet the void and take physical form. The original holdfasts are all dead. Yonta gave herself the jade light, cavelero blew himself up with a grenade, hombask was torn apart by the other adults on the zariman, and quinn was blasted to ashes by the newly created tenno when they misunderstood his intentions to help them.
The holdfasts you know now are all the result of conceptual embodiment - as is all of duviri.

[prime lantern]

And yet they are real

[nova harness]

They are real just not as real as us

[prime lantern]

You and holdfasts are conceptual embodiment the tenno is just something far more interesting

[nova harness]

Didn’t Yonta basically call us complicated

[high cosmos]

Ey spoiler chat

I found something

[tardy wolf]

Is it spoilers?

[high cosmos]

It has something to do with operator

So, turns out, they didn't remove void blast.

Still In game.

Did something with the buttons, and started repeatedly void blasting

Anyone else get this glitch?

[rain otter]

Yeah. I've had it happen before. It's annoying.

[abstract trellis]

Omg I miss void blast so much

Never understood the decision to remove it. Why do we need a second transference button that we can easily forget is a transference button because it’s only a transference button after we use transference

[heavy anchor]

my annoyance is theres still 2 open slots for operator abilities, give more stuff!

[solar monolith]

Starting New War
.
Oh god Erra.

Don't kill the kid

Noooo the Unum is falling!

[nova harness]

That’s not what he’s going to do

[solar monolith]

Yooo we're controlling Grineers now? Cool

Cetus is burning!

Kahl noooooo........

[nova harness]

Got to Veso yet?

[solar monolith]

Currently Teshin

Wait Teshin noooo

Oh god Lotus...your face is cracking

Nooo dont kiss her you bastard

[nova harness]

Did you just beat the bot?

[solar monolith]

Ballas you bastard!!!!!!

He cut Lotus's arm and stabbed us

Wait. Where am i going? Umbra! Save me!

[nova harness]

You cannot kill the Devil Tenno but you can send it back to hell

Wanna know something the game doesn’t tell you very well?

[solar monolith]

Please hold it

[nova harness]

It’s not spoilers

Kinda

[solar monolith]

Wait...a time skip???

[nova harness]

Yes

[solar monolith]

How long is the time skip?!?! I thought we are eternally young

Oh god! They are turning the ostrons into slave soldiers!

[nova harness]

Have you played Duviri?

[solar monolith]

Yes

[nova harness]

Remember that guy?

Rn you’re him

[solar monolith]

Wow

Wait what the hech is this centipede thing!? Ahhhhhhh!

[nova harness]

All will be explained in due time just run

[solar monolith]

Oh no! My ship!

[nova harness]

What happened to your ship?

[solar monolith]

It's grounded. And now just an old regular camp

(Looks at Navigation)

....what the heck!

Am I supposed to unlock every node again!?

[nova harness]

No

[solar monolith]

Damn you, Ballas!

Oh ok

Ooh new song

[nova harness]

After the quest you can swap back and fourth between Camp and Space

[solar monolith]

Oh god. What happened to Solaris????

[nova harness]

The Veil is giving them happy thoughts

[solar monolith]

Oh no. He even corrupted the theme song!

Oh no. Even the kids

[nova harness]

Fortuna after New War is ugly

[clear coral]

nobody has ever been more right than you

[solar monolith]

"Do you know they can blow up the masks if they smell a rat?"

Me : Wait what?

'Blows up'

I hate deacons!

[nova harness]

Same

[nova harness]

Are you on stealth sections?

[solar monolith]

Yes. The narmer factory

[solar monolith]

Taking a break. Finally done with the factory.

So let me get this straight, after Ballas cut Lotus's arm and stabbed us, the arm and us ended up in Duviri.

Then after defeating Thrax, we busted out of Duviri and return to the Origin System?

[thick jolt]

It will be explained a bit later

[solar monolith]

https://youtu.be/6f8J4NZg3Oo?si=YREOl7NRjczW_KEo

This song is just depressing and haunting

[solar monolith]

But what I like about this mission so far is the the very beginning where you play as a Grineer and Corpus mook

It's honestly a very humbling experience playing as these people the Tenno massacre all the time

And to see that they too have their own hopes, dreams and even love within them

[obtuse gyro]

well, no, but you'll understand soon

[nova harness]

I don’t think the quest ever explains or implies where Operator lands after Ballas stabs us it’s somewhere in the Void but somewhere in the quest shows the most likely answer

[abstract trellis]

How do we survive the stab also. Are Tenno immortal

[nova harness]

Did you not listen to what Ballas said?

You cannot kill the Devil Tenno but you can send it back to hell

When we went all staticky it was exactly the same as when Operator gets downed

Just we couldn’t jump back to Warframe

But Warframes being Immortal isn’t confirmed or denied

[next zealot]

Haven't warframes died in the lore?

Like for the archons?

[wild wind]

Yeah. They're NEAR unkillable, but they can still be destroyed.

Like, if nothing else a Rhino died to give Kahl his Corinth Prime

[nova harness]

Warframes have died in lore but Operators we have only seen die in certain circumstances

[abstract trellis]

I thought when operator gets downed is non canonical tbh

But I guess if Vor is immortal from picking up a key then the Tenno would definitely be

Makes you wonder what the point of warframes is though

[nova harness]

Simple

[abstract trellis]

Like if Tenno are unkillable death machines who needs em

[nova harness]

Tenno are immortal but are weak

Tenno haven’t got combat skills

We were sleeping for ages

Amps are the closest we have to an actual weapon

[wild wind]

Tenno aren't immortal

[abstract trellis]

How are Tenno weak? We’ve seen them obliterate people in cinematics and heard about it in varzia’s dialogue and accounts of the zariman rescue crew. And I mean logically we can shoot void magic and teleport. Also how do they have no combat skills? They pilot the warframes. Every technique a warframe performs is a Tenno performing it. They can use all the weapons a warframe can. Amps are just the most powerful weapons because it’s raw void

[wild wind]

If Stalker had reached the reservoir first we'd be dead

[abstract trellis]

I’m also unclear on this. Why would we sleep at all if we’re immortal? We hid in the reservoir for centuries even though we’re immortal?

[nova harness]

Ever heard of Zeno?

[wild wind]

We're not immortal is why

[abstract trellis]

No

[abstract trellis]

So what happened with the chest stabbing by ballas

[wild wind]

Rell was at risk of dying of old age, which is why he needed to permanently transference into Harrow

[nova harness]

He’s the most powerful Dragon Ball character but he can’t fight at all

[abstract trellis]

….

Alright nice talking to you man I think that’s as far as we go haha

[abstract trellis]

TRUE

[wild wind]

Humanity in Warframe is just better at not-dying

[abstract trellis]

[real niche]

That's like saying the Power Rangers don't have any fighting skill since they always need their Zords to kill the big bad off anyway

[wild wind]

Not even being sarcastic, the Orokin Empire spent thousands of years improving the human genome

[digital hearth]

What did I just walk into..

[abstract trellis]

Guys wtf do power rangers and dragon ball have to do with anything. Are y’all fr? Address the point I made lmao

[real niche]

I just got here I don't know what point you're making lol

[wild wind]

Then in addition to that the Tenno are half thought entity

They're making an analogy by comparing Warframe to things from other popular media franchises

[abstract trellis]

So why does ballas say you can’t kill the Tenno

[nova harness]

You missed the point I was trying to make

[abstract trellis]

What a analogy lmao

[wild wind]

Because Tenno are extremely hard to kill

That doesn't mean impossible, but you need to go nuclear

[real niche]

Oh wait I get it now

[wild wind]

Throwing things into the Void is about as thorough as you can get, beyond throwing something into the sun

[compact haven]

We can't be killed by any normal means, but we're far from "immortal"

[abstract trellis]

I mean ballas did say you “cannot” kill

[wild wind]

And yeah that's right, the Tenno can't do the moves in their own bodies

[abstract trellis]

But I guess he’s unreliable

[real niche]

They know how to do it with the Warframes, lord help them when they try it with their own bodies

[wild wind]

We don't have the physical conditioning or strength

[abstract trellis]

I mean the operator is a kid but the drifter can def pull out the moves

[wild wind]

There's a reason that Tenno amps are wrist mounted

Drifter can't actually

[real niche]

Drifter is just a human until the merge.

[abstract trellis]

Drifter literally sword fights Dax and does backflips tf you mean

[prime lantern]

Also a warframes fighting skills wouldn't really transfer to the tenno

[nova harness]

Drifter didn’t sleep for 90% of his life in that sense either

[prime lantern]

The tenno don't have super human strength

[wild wind]

They don't parkour, double jump, or use Tenno weapons

[abstract trellis]

@prime lantern they would know how to use all the weapons though

[prime lantern]

It'd be like going from flailing around a cardboard sword to a really heavy sword

[prime lantern]

Sure but they'd lack the practical training to actually use it

[wild wind]

Part of the point of Warframe weapons is that they scale past what baseline human can do

[prime lantern]

Theory only takes you so far

Especially in things like combat

[abstract trellis]

@prime lantern no dude they have that. They’re piloting the warframes

[wild wind]

Which is why Kahl could use a Corinth but Drifter can't

[abstract trellis]

They don’t have theory they have a lifetime of war experience

[prime lantern]

Yes which is why they're able to so easily do it

[real niche]

Physical body training, not technique training

[abstract trellis]

And all the Tenno operatives use the same guns warframes do

[prime lantern]

The actual real child lacks the body strength to do it

[wild wind]

The operatives aren't Tenno

[abstract trellis]

I mean I guess the argument you guys are making is whether the drifter is as physically conditioned as a Tenno operative

[real niche]

Ye

[abstract trellis]

Which based on duviri I would say they are

[wild wind]

They're trained/conditioned/augmented in ways that the Operator and Drifter aren't

[abstract trellis]

But idk

[prime lantern]

I wrestle and there's moves I practice on but I can't do them in a real match yet

[abstract trellis]

Well that’s not the same though

[digital hearth]

The Drifter may have had some form of experience before we were even introduced to them.

• the operator are only children.

I like to think of warframes like playing a vr game, you can do alot of stuff in vr but you can't actually do them IRL.

[prime lantern]

It is

The warframes take care of any need for physicality from a tenno

[wild wind]

Because it'd be a huge waste for the Operator and Drifter to do the work of getting themselves into shape to use a Warframe loadout when they could just use a Warframe

[prime lantern]

For all we know warframe weapons are a 50 or so pounds

[nova harness]

Drifter had a Dax to train him as well

[prime lantern]

When you're working with ungodly strength you'd want to make use of it

[wild wind]

Oh come on

[abstract trellis]

I disagree with some of your perspective but not enough to really hash it out @prime lantern

[prime lantern]

The warframes fire string based bows with roughly 50 tons of force

[wild wind]

Anyway, Teshin complains that the Tenno got training by a Sentient vs. him/a dax

[abstract trellis]

So ok, Tenno are not immortal just almost immortal, so that’s why we use warframes?

[nova harness]

No

[prime lantern]

Sorta

[abstract trellis]

And ballas is just speaking hyperbolically

[prime lantern]

We also use the warframes because they're superhuman

[wild wind]

We use Warframes because they're walking death machines and we're not

[abstract trellis]

I mean..

[prime lantern]

The tenno themselves can't stomp hard enough to disrupt the flow of time

[digital hearth]

They're Post immortal.

But this doesn't mean they can't get captured or contained in a way.

[abstract trellis]

We can fry people and turn invisible and teleport

[prime lantern]

Or move faster than bullets

[wild wind]

But not forever

[abstract trellis]

I meannnn

[nova harness]

We use Warframes because Tenno bodies aren’t skilled enough

[wild wind]

Also gameplay and story are segregated in Warframe

[nova harness]

Powerful maybe

But skilled combatants with weapons nope

[wild wind]

Despite how "easy" it is to level cap, we actually aren't holding off entire armies of Grineer and Corpus alone

We're assassins and saboteurs making tactical strikes

[abstract trellis]

I mean I guess my points about the drifter don’t really matter because the drifter didn’t exist in the old war

[wild wind]

Most of the Grineer and Corpus are fighting each other

[abstract trellis]

So warframes were designed in comparison to a literal child

[wild wind]

? Warframes were designed independently

Originally they weren't supposed to have an operator at all

[abstract trellis]

But I feel like if Tenno had been drifter age the orokin might’ve just focused on training them instead

[nova harness]

Tenno looked inside an ugly broken thing and took away it’s pain

[wild wind]

No, because they didn't want to use the Tenno at all

[abstract trellis]

I think you’re confusing prototype warframe with warframe captain

[wild wind]

The original idea was that the Warframes would retain their original selves

[abstract trellis]

I mean I don’t think that was ever an idea. They just didn’t

It was a failed project

[wild wind]

The Sacrifice tablet makes it really clear that it worked for a while

[digital hearth]

The first warframes were made to be used on their own.

As in having a mind like Excal Umbra but they went crazy.

The operators somehow found a way to controll them. (Tame them.)

[nova harness]

It was a failed project until they came

[abstract trellis]

Didn’t it literally say it didn’t work at all

[wild wind]

The degradation set in over time

[abstract trellis]

Yeah haha there’s literally a text entry of a proto rhino breaking free and almost killing everyone

[wild wind]

No it did work, for months or weeks

That was later on

[abstract trellis]

Where is your sauce

I don’t need the link but just like where are you getting that from

[wild wind]

The Sacrifice tablet

[prime lantern]

Ballas called the project a success for a short time

[nova harness]

Warframes were going to be destroyed

[digital hearth]

Yes, that same thing happened with every other proto frame.

[abstract trellis]

Oh if he said that then I forgot it mb

[prime lantern]

And secondly we know some warframes kept themselves

[wild wind]

Where Ballas talks about how the Warframes worked at first

[prime lantern]

Like dear kullevero

[abstract trellis]

Anyways that wasn’t my point though

[wild wind]

And near the end they got to the point where the Warframes ended up being fire and forget weapons like the Infestation, pre-Tenno

[abstract trellis]

I was saying like when the warframes became the main weapon of the Tenno, it was because that was the most effective way to utilize someone with the body of a child

So my points about the drifter earlier are kind of irrelevant

But I think maybe if the Tenno were older they might’ve just trained them in combat

You know

[wild wind]

What you're getting jumped on for is that the Tenno were never intended to be soldiers

[abstract trellis]

Or like given them Dax upgrades

[wild wind]

They were never ever going to use the Tenno

[abstract trellis]

[nova harness]

Tenno also have way less health than a Warframe

[wild wind]

Until the guys in the Rhino Prime entry baited Rhino into the Tenno enclosure

[abstract trellis]

Laughs in Unairu

[wild wind]

The Tenno were a game patch

[abstract trellis]

Oh I see what you’re saying

[digital hearth]

Unless they study vasarin. Lol

[abstract trellis]

Lol

[nova harness]

Still less than a Warframe

[abstract trellis]

I think unairu is the health buff one right?

[wild wind]

Also DE needs to switch the description of Vazarin and Unairu

[abstract trellis]

I mean my Tenno is sitting at 1k hp

[digital hearth]

It's vasarin.

[abstract trellis]

Oh mb

[prime lantern]

Oh yea

[wild wind]

It used to be the armor one actually

[nova harness]

No that’s the one that allows your Operator to revive Warframe

[wild wind]

But now Vazarin covers health and armor both

[abstract trellis]

U right

[prime lantern]

I think de needs to add more to the focus school description

[nova harness]

Agreed

[abstract trellis]

Unairu “outlast the enemy” - armor strip and shield disable abilities

Naramon “know the enemy” - combo counter and finishers

[wild wind]

Vazarin - counter the enemy

[amber terrace]

Am I goober core if I listened to the Necraloid room Albrecht recordings with Into The Void by Nine Inch Nails in the background? (For context Into The Void was the song used in the Warframe 1999 teaser demo)

[abstract trellis]

I mean I guess fat hp kind of counters the enemy but like…

[wild wind]

Meanwhile Unairu has the stuff that counters enemy armor and shields

Like I said, swap the Unairu and Vazarin descriptions

[abstract trellis]

And then Zenurik is dominate the enemy and they’re just like more energy

[nova harness]

Focus school 4.0 when DE

[wild wind]

Tbf spamming 4 is a pretty good domination move

[abstract trellis]

I think it needs more touching up than this but it would be a good start

[wild wind]

Real talk, I think it could come soon, post 1999

[abstract trellis]

1999 is soon?

[wild wind]

Next year

[abstract trellis]

Do we even have a date on whispers

[wild wind]

Just this year

[digital hearth]

Nope.

[nova harness]

I want the 2 abilities we don’t see

[abstract trellis]

I mean this year is running out so hopefully we get a date soon

[wild wind]

My guess is early December

[digital hearth]

Probably late December Tbh.

[wild wind]

Nightwave updates are cert updates, and Nightwave ends November 22

[abstract trellis]

Christmas Day. Wally was Santa all along

[wild wind]

So unless DE wants to do two cert updates in a month....

[junior hull]

What would y'all recommend getting with those intrinsics?? I scrolled through all four trees and nothing stood out to me

[abstract trellis]

Probably not the channel for that but opportunity unlocks the stalker which is fun

[wild wind]

Wrong section, but Endurance and combat

[abstract trellis]

Those would be more practical

I like stalker but why did they have to swap his ash abilities to different keys

I play ash dude it gets confusing

[junior hull]

I was a bit hesitant to post the question in a different channel because I perceive Duviri as somewhat spoilery content

But thanks for help!!

[abstract trellis]

You would think it is tbh but DE lets new players access it so I think spoilers are kind of out the window

Before the concept of the operator is introduced you can play as the drifter lol

I’m so glad I’m not a new player

[wild wind]

Actually I'm kinda okay with that, because Duviri preserves the big twists in two different ways

Finding out that the Operator is a kid, and then that the Drifter and Operator are two instances of the same person

[abstract trellis]

I mean you see the operator is a kid in those side missions in duviri

And it spoils the whole transference thing

Idk I hope new players still enjoy second dream but this would’ve made it significantly less impactful for me

Same goes for the drifter reveal in* new war

[nova harness]

Tbh DE spoil Operators existence all the time

[abstract trellis]

Aside from duviri and the cinematics playing on the launcher when new war came out I haven’t seen them do it

Those were more than enough though lol

[nova harness]

Wisp Prime trailer

[graceful zodiac]

Sure, but you don't have any context as to what's happening there

[abstract trellis]

I mean…

Teshin talks about the Tenno and the other side and a paradox and then you see a child version of yourself

[nova harness]

The adult kid side mission they probably just think is some random kid

[abstract trellis]

Why would anyone think that’s a random kid

[nova harness]

Because Duviri has children

[abstract trellis]

Not human ones lol

[nova harness]

Yeah but for all they know it could be

Duviri is literally lead by a child

[wild wind]

Ah actually they're wrapped up in the Transference Suit so you can't see them properly

[abstract trellis]

Not a human one though. Look don’t get me wrong I love the game and DE. But I think new player experience is by far their weakest point in warframe. Duviri and spoilers aside, the game is incredibly daunting and confusing for new people. I hope they take some insight for soulframe

[wild wind]

Thrax too flips it around since the conclusion of the quest makes it clear that he's a toy brought to life

[abstract trellis]

Yeah I mean you also just don’t really know what the void is when you’re new so the whole idea of duviri is kind of an acid trip

Plus all the drifter weapons are way stronger than early mastery weapons

[wild wind]

which is fine, iirc they're mastery locked

[abstract trellis]

They’re not

[wild wind]

hahaha oh wow they're really not

[abstract trellis]

Yeah I mean I’m not saying it’s a travesty but I suspect giving early access to duviri was a decision made a little hastily

Possibly prioritizing hype over what it actually feels like to be a new player

[wild wind]

honestly I don't think it matters a huge deal

[nova harness]

Argo and Vel is also MR 0

[wild wind]

Yeah all the drifter melees are

[abstract trellis]

It’s not a huge deal but it feels sloppy and confusing if you’re new

[wild wind]

Like, the mods you need to make melee really good are expensive, plus you need the Naramon focus school

And it's a big investment to get the pathos clamps and the Duviri resources

[abstract trellis]

So painfully true

[wild wind]

If you're new, for vets of course it's just another day on the Warfarm

[abstract trellis]

I mean it’s a grind and a half man

[wild wind]

It's basically comparable to kitguns and zaws, which iirc are also not MR locked

[abstract trellis]

Granted I Iike to play duviri solo but still a full spiral run takes a minute

And by a minute I mean 20-30

[wild wind]

yeah

[abstract trellis]

Idk I just think in terms of storytelling DE would benefit from restructuring quest line progression and I would say putting duviri as a post new war thing when doing that. But that’s my opinion

I started the game a year and a half ago or so and I was confused by a lot of the plot, I feel like duviri early would’ve melted my brain

[wild wind]

I think it's okay since it's supposed to mess with your understanding of the lore, and as you progress through the main story it clears up

[abstract trellis]

You know warframe is just a very strange universe

Very odd. I love it. But odd.

Magic zombie ninjas being controlled by children. Fantasy worlds with mechanized fauna

Not your typical sci fi

[wild wind]

Oh but either Reb or Megan said that they're looking to add more story to the start of the game, between Awakening and Second Dream

[abstract trellis]

That’s a great idea

Awakening was hype for me and I didn’t feel the same level of excitement until second dream

[wild wind]

I mean, there's a reason for that haha

[abstract trellis]

And there’s a lot of quests and missions between those

[wild wind]

They added Awakening in much much later

[abstract trellis]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying they need to like go back and revamp it all

[wild wind]

Originally it was an extended version of Vor's Prize. Very basic.

[abstract trellis]

Awakening is so gangster SHEESH

[wild wind]

It's very kinetic, yeah

[abstract trellis]

It’s freaking awesome

[wild wind]

I think they need missions that properly introduce the Grineer and Corpus bosses

Like, after Vor's Prize you get a short video of the Grineer high command debriefing Vor, with Vay Hek screaming at him while Kril and Ruk give him crap

[abstract trellis]

I don’t even remember that

LOL

[nova harness]

The old Warframe trailer was better than the new one

[wild wind]

Then for the Corpus you'd need the Board arguing about Alad's programs

[abstract trellis]

I will say I don’t think the story should be as spaced out in terms of Star map progression

[wild wind]

It's very heavily backweighted right now

[abstract trellis]

Like there’s no reason for second dream to require half the system to be cleared. It’s on Lua. Right next to earth…

And that’s an uncomfortably long time to be dodging second dream spoilers

[wild wind]

Because they finished making the star chart, started filling it in, and then reorganized the star chart

[obtuse gyro]

Weeeeeell, theres the few pre-req quests to second dream

[nova harness]

Technically at that time it was in the void

[wild wind]

That part's actually intentional

[abstract trellis]

Yeah I understand that it just happened this way but I think they need to go back

[wild wind]

They want you to get used to the star chart, and then see it change in a big way

[abstract trellis]

I don’t remember what planets they were on

[obtuse gyro]

Uranus

[abstract trellis]

Sheesh

[wild wind]

The Zariman reveal is similar

[obtuse gyro]

You needed to get scanned by the sentient drone to start natah

Which is the pre-req for TSD

[abstract trellis]

Other way around but yeah

You scan it iirc

[wild wind]

Yeah you need to start Natah in the sealab

And you need New Strange to introduce the idea of the fourth faction

[abstract trellis]

Idk I just remember my friend telling me I had to disable region chat and not go to PoE at night until I finished second dream and it took forever to get that far

[wild wind]

lol

100 hours to get to character creation moment

[abstract trellis]

I’m glad I listened because seeing children running around shooting robot zombie dinosaurs would’ve confused the hell out of me when I was mastery 3

But yeah idk it’s kind of difficult to go into the second dream with no notion of what to expect these days

[wild wind]

DE actually is trying to streamline progress to get there

My guess is that they'll end up remixing a bunch of the early tiles

And maybe add a new sealab node on Earth where the drones can spawn

[nova harness]

They changed that now it scans you

They changed a bunch of quests to make them easier

[wild wind]

That was specifically was a problem because.... sigh new players didn't know how to equip a scanner

[abstract trellis]

That’s really nice actually

[abstract trellis]

The new waverider felt a lot better

I was halfway through it and gave up

[nova harness]

Yeah they made it way easier

[nova harness]

Which part you struggling with?

[abstract trellis]

I was struggling with not ending myself (in game) listening to the vent kid read the comic to me. But with the update they added a skip button for all that

[nova harness]

Have you completed the quest now?

[abstract trellis]

But also I think like getting a 3000 point combo or something was annoying me. Yeah I finished it fast after the update

[nova harness]

They actually changed how things were explained

Before it was press button plus button and figure it out

Now they say an actual combo to complete it

[abstract trellis]

Yeah I mean I maintain the worst thing about that quest was being forced to listen to a kid read a comic

I remember experiencing that for the first time and being like are you serious

Who would want that

[supple dagger]

full grown man pretending to be a kid more like, i can't stand his voice 😩

[near rune]

Saya's Vigil literally revolves around scanning, so new players should be aware of the concept as of 2017. It's also a big part of The New Strange.

[wild wind]

I know! You literally can't get to Natah without New Strange.

And yet I've had conversations with a bunch of people who didn't know to equip the scanner

[near rune]

Honestly they should probably not be a consumable and always be equipped. It's not like DE is making money on them, and it just adds to the complexity of a key game mechanic

They made the Archwing launcher a non-consumable gear item; they can do it with the scanner

[velvet wing]

There’s a widget for the simaris scanner that makes it a rechargeable scanner instead of consuming a scanner per

[wild wind]

Right yeah but there's no reason for the base codex scanner to be a cred sink, especially these days

[rain otter]

Not rechargeable just unlimited.

[abstract trellis]

Lmfao

[solar monolith]

Goddamn Owl. Seriously this things keeps healing like super fast!

[steady gate]

The…owl is healing fast?

[solar monolith]

Archon Boreal. The giant screech

I already killed the Snake. Should I just go for the wolf next?

[steady gate]

I remember a lot of that quest
I don’t remember him healing quickly during the screech.

Have you been smoke-bombing your way passed the screech edge to fire a shot at him to make him stop?

[solar monolith]

Uhhh no

[solar monolith]

Finally killed the damn bird

Ordis nooooooooo!

[solar monolith]

Uhhhhh

Should I choose Drifter or Operator????

[prime lantern]

Has very little impact

I believe at this point just minor voice line changes

[solar monolith]

Can I change between them after New War?

[prime lantern]

Yes

[solar monolith]

Ok. Hmm I think I'll choose Operato. Still have to repay Ballas for the stabbing

[unkempt zephyr]

you don't get to stab him tho

[solar monolith]

Wait. The Man in the Walll is...literally a man in a wall?

[graceful zodiac]

No, that's just him making a joke

[solar monolith]

Ok and time to choose again.

Lotus, Natah or Margulis.
Hmmmmm

Any suggestions?

[obtuse gyro]

The name change is permanent

The appearance (with plat) is not

[solar monolith]

On a different note, Hunhow helped us??

I thought he was the other bad guy besides Ballas

[obtuse gyro]

Hunhow doesnt like ballas

[solar monolith]

Yeah I can get that

But ok, what exactly are the Sentients???

[obtuse gyro]

What do you think they are

[solar monolith]

I'm not sure? Another Orokin creation that rebelled against their creators?

[obtuse gyro]

Well, youre absolutely right

[solar monolith]

Wait what?

[obtuse gyro]

Yea they were terraforming robots sent to Tau, and they figured that they wanted beef with the orokin

[solar monolith]

Goddamit Orokins. !

Also, what's Tau?

[obtuse gyro]

Remember how the Zariman was supposed to go somewhere

[solar monolith]

Yeah?

[obtuse gyro]

The destination was the Tau system

They never made it

And much later the sentients were made to go to Tau

[solar monolith]

So a completely different galaxy?

[obtuse gyro]

Star system not galaxy

[solar monolith]

So why did the Sentient rebel?

[obtuse gyro]

The Sentients realised that the Orokin would do to Tau as they did our system and decided they weren't having it.

Alternatively as our unreliable narrator natah would put it, the orokin attacked Tau because the Sentients evolved

Either way, Orokin being terrible results in Sentient rebellion

[solar monolith]

Goddamit, Orokins. Pretty much reason for every bad thing happening to us

So, with how we can switch between the Drifter and Operator after New War, what happens to one of them if they switch into the Origin System?

[obtuse gyro]

Well the next quest youre about to play will explain it a little

But it wont be the focus of the quest, just a quote from one of the vendors in the new area you get

Where basically one body two void silhouettes

[solar monolith]

Angels of Zariman? Already did that

[obtuse gyro]

So fast

[solar monolith]

It's not much tbh

[obtuse gyro]

In that case, quinn says that you have two void silhouettes in you meaning likely the one not active is just inside

[solar monolith]

Inside where? Inside the other?

Like a Hulk/Banner thing?

Also. I get the other people got Veiled, but what happened to the Entrati and Deimos during the New War?

[obtuse gyro]

Thats actually not too bad of an analogy, something like this functionally I would think

[solar monolith]

It would also fit gameplay integration like explaining how both can know same info if the player changes between them from time to time

[obtuse gyro]

This one Im not too sure, there was some chatter about a line somewhere deimos reentered the void during this period

[solar monolith]

Wow. What? They can do tha???