spoiler-chat

[main radish]

Does someone have a screenshot of the new mod that affects shield gating?

[supple marsh]

Highest quality possible

[main radish]

Thanks

[inland egret]

I hope it's placeholder, looks like one of those + and - warframe ability mods 😄

[supple marsh]

Pretty sure it's a corrupted mod so makes sense i missed the stream just got access to the image

[digital hearth]

It is one of those mods.

(It's mainly for the people who use the dragon keys to shield gate.)

[gilded elk]

Let me know if

[rain otter]

It is. It's like others have Said to replicate what people where doing with the Decaying Key but make it mod.

[nova harness]

So have they made it harder or easier?

[rain otter]

It would be the same as with the decaying key now with the new mod coming out.

But they buffed Shield gatting on more shields and pulled like shield gatting on less shields down.

[rain otter]

Also there are 5 dev workshops read the shield one if you want a better explanation. @nova harness

[real niche]

Frames that already regen shield as part of their abilities only benefit, remains to be seen for frames that solely rely on Augur and BR.

Because now you've gotta rely on getting enough shield to reach high enough for an equivalent timer.

[prime lantern]

Or using the new mods

Also that duplex bond mod seems like it's gonna be funny on hyldrin

[amber terrace]

I wonder how [Hildryn] ‘s passive is gonna be affected by the shield gate changes

[thick jolt]

Buffed to 3.5 seconds

Its in the dev workshop

[amber terrace]

Also, another question I have is whether or not DE is gonna make it written that Hildryn’s overshields negate direct to health damage(toxin and leech circle thingies)

[real niche]

Is that not in her passive?

[nova harness]

Do you think they will actually make a Hydroid and Hydroid Prime trailer again or was it them joking?

[fleet veldt]

I doubt they'll bother going that far; the least they'd actively do would be to make an augment mod for Hydroid that brings back his puddle as a full sphere (like Frost's Ice Globe or Limbo's Cataclysm) that applies the positive effects based on enemies sent in it over time in a ways not unlike Gara's Vitrify.

Though I don't expect such a thing to happen.

[amber terrace]

It is, but it isn’t written down anywhere, not even on the wiki

[real niche]

I'm pretty sure that part is mentioned in the wiki.

[fleet veldt]

Some 'side passives' get no mention at all anywhere, like with Magnus Prime and Gotva Prime. Until they got their descriptions updated.

[rain otter]

They won't make a new trailer lul. But he is now a. Real warframe.

That does things.

[real niche]

Loki rework when

[nova harness]

Which Warframe do you think will get a rework next?

Before they announced Hydroid rework I was guessing Inaros since he’s the one most want to be reworked usually

[rain otter]

The ones that need one are Loki Inaros Chroma and Nekros.

[nova harness]

What about Frost?

[rain otter]

Right now he's not in a terrible place cuz of his 4 augment getting like overguard.

I still want him to get a some reworks and Buffs but he isn't as needed as those 4 to me.

[prime lantern]

I find frost quite fun

A gimmicky and incredibly funny infinitely scaling 1 shot and good augment and good cc

[wild wind]

Nekros is totally fine, he's got three abilities that are really good and a free space to overwrite. Rather than him I think Banshee or Oberon need looking at.

[rain otter]

I don't like him he's feels so clunky to me.

[wild wind]

Do you run Shield of Shadows and Despoil both?

[rain otter]

Yeah its just stuff like recasting his 4 often and stuff is annoying.

[wild wind]

I look at recasting the 4 as an excuse to clear some of the energy orbs off the ground, they tend to clutter up the screen when things get really killy

[pearl nimbus]

Got my gummies

[graceful zodiac]

Oberon is one of the farthest from needing a rework. Inaros is far more in need

[prime lantern]

I think de should do a mass rework of alot of passives

Like revenent frost inaros and Oberon have comically bad passives

[high cosmos]

Welp, got the gravimag, turns out I don't have a gun with a catalyst.

.._..

[rain otter]

Pog

Also I didn't know those existed now i want them.

[cinder cove]

Anyone farming grendel?

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe, weird theory but : Dagath will appear as either a boss fight in the new extermination like captain vor or there are murmur ennemies

[nova harness]

Wouldn’t be the fist time

[scarlet basalt]

murmur would make sense
But idk

[wild wind]

Murmur enemies probably won't be a thing until Whispers, just because there's a bunch of work they'd need to work with existing tilesets

[scarlet basalt]

still wonder what kind of twist they're going to show 😮
Maybe liminus fighting ?

[nova harness]

I just want the book

Knowledge is power

[twilit geode]

Hey, don't mind me. I'm just here to remind people that Keith Power is criminally underrated for the quality of music he delivers.
Kay, that's all.

[twilit geode]

...In other news. The Break Narmer mission this week that I put off till now apparently woke up feeling especially vindictive. Like... Pick one, game. You can't have both.

[real niche]

Just do two runs.

[twilit geode]

I am so sick of these missions I refuse to run them twice

The Kahl missions were nice as a novelty, but they have no real variation in mission, dialogue, gameplay, objectives. The random challenges do not count as objectives, btw. There is nothing to really give them anything that provides longevity or interest.

[rain otter]

Hey on the 18 they will be better.

ShRug.

[twilit geode]

A run speed buff is not going to make up for the time sink that fighting Ven'kra Tel provides, unfortunately. But the other buffs are a nice touch at least. The Kahl missions just overall need more care and development put into them, but I don't foresee DE ever doing that since they're a small side part of the game.

[rain otter]

I like the Kahl missions

[twilit geode]

I like them too, moreso the idea of them than the missions themselves. But they are exceedingly-flawed, to the point of being a hassle many times.

[rain otter]

The main thing I've seen people say for Kahl is that he was too slow so idk.

[twilit geode]

There's that too. Warframe is an EXCEEDINGLY fast game. So suddenly giving someone "Military Shooter" speed and jump limitations INSIDE of Warframe is jarring to say the least. The jetpack helps though. Kahl's slower speed is fine, honestly. It makes sense for the character, so I am not complaining about that. It's more that the missions aren't providing adequate variation and rewards to really give them staying power. The ONLY thing they have going for them, is that you can buy Archon Shards with the stock you get. And is the only reason anyone still runs them. And even then, those Archon Shards are only ever base level shards.

[short badger]

I'm not trying to be argumentative when I ask this: Why do you still do them if you don't like them? Is there still something for Chipper's stocks that you need?
If you beef with them is that they don't have staying power after you get everything, I can see that, but I think that's also true for a lot of the grinding parts of warframe.

[twilit geode]

...I did literally just state the only reason people do them is to buy archon shards.

The other flaw in your statement is "If you beef with them is that they don't have staying power after you get everything, I can see that, but I think that's also true for a lot of the grinding parts of warframe."
Nothing added to the game SHOULD be that way. It is content with a lot of development put behind it. If every expansion to the game was a temporary "You do it while it's current and then it loses purpose or usefulness when the next thing comes out", then the only thing your game will consist of is a myriad of flawed, outdated systems and chunks of content that nobody actually has any reason to do.

[real niche]

Well there is reason to do them, the problem is their reason is singular and self-contained, see: Very early Plains of Eidolon.

[short badger]

Like I said I'm not trying to argue with you so I don't know why you are picking apart what I said like it was a counterpoint to what you are upset about. I was only curious if you personally had all the stock or if you were only grinding for shards like you had mentioned.

I said I can see that - like I can see why that is frustrating. I'm not condoning when it happens in Warframe, but it has happened in other aspects in the game, so I was also curious if you had a specific reason for disliking Kahl missions specifically since you hadn't mentioned other aspects. Based on your response I can assume it was just based on what you were currently upset about and not a distinctly new problem with the game. I imagine they will increase what's in the inventory to make it relevant again just like they do with syndicates, bounties, and relics.

[twilit geode]

Indeed. Every first iteration of something is pretty self-contained. Now Plains has more use as its resources are used in items outside of the Plains. Kahl COULD have that sort of thing, but currently there isn't, and it's very much... Outside the typical content a new player would find. How do you explain to a new player what "Kahl Stock" is without spoiling it altogether? Already, Styanax locked behind it is an iffy thing I've had to dance around the topic of when someone new asks about it. I basically just had to say "It's locked behind some late game content."

[real niche]

How do you explain to a new player what "Kahl Stock" is withou-

"Have you done Veilbreaker quest? No? Then it's not important to you"

Then they're free to spoil themselves as much as they want to from there.

[twilit geode]

Allow me to elaborate. I wasn't picking apart your comment out of any malicious intent, it just seemed like you were dismissing my stated concerns about Kahl Missions lacking variety or substance to keep them engaging as "Well it's just a different content island", to use the term DE themselves have used in regards to their laments about their own development. As such, I stated that looking at it as a content island to be pushed aside when the next new thing comes along is inherently flawed and leads to an unfulfilling and short-lived game.

[real niche]

You can treat Styanax no differently from Harrow, Gyre or Kullervo in this case.

[rain otter]

I hate that term

[twilit geode]

Which is true. But then comes the problem of how LONG it takes for people to get to said content. They've got 10 years of Warframe to get through. I fear it just adds onto an ever-present mindset that people need to BLITZ through all the story content, ignoring it and viewing it as an obstacle in the way of them getting new stuff.

[rain otter]

Also literally all content island or not will be consumed and then looked over for new content.

Like that's how video games work. Anyway I'm done with this conversation.

[real niche]

Which is why I hate that they're changing Voidrig mat requirements

[twilit geode]

Yes, but adding tie in functionality lends weight and purpose to the content. A simple enough example would be resources gathered in said area being used in other crafting items.

[rain otter]

I don't think that matters.

[real niche]

It matters to me...

[short badger]

I can see how the last part of my sentence poisoned the entire intension of my message.
I think your frustration is valid, but I also wanted to reassure you that it's an aspect that (hopefully) DE will circle back to and make more relevant like they have done with other aspects of the game to make it feel more meaningful. Ideally they would add additional dialogue bits, but I'm not holding by breath on that one. We'll just have to see, I guess.

[twilit geode]

They could add more stuff to Kahl's shop easy enough. But that will only get it so far.

[rain otter]

I mean I think Your whole point Is flawed Vypor cuz it was started in "DE never goes back to X Content" when we where talking about like THEM GOING BACK AND CHANGING CONTENT

But shRug.

[twilit geode]

I never said they don't go back to it, what? I said they NEED to support it, instead of letting it languish and fester like Conclave.

[real niche]

I'm more worried about stuff like Kahl and Kullervo's Bane, since those feel super one-and-done. Like, they can't use the latter for things that aren't related Kullervo.

[twilit geode]

Another perfect example. Once you have Kullervo and the weapon, the resource has no purpose. Buy... Credit packs? Really?

[real niche]

Uyemag or whatever at least has the capacity to be used elsewhere. In Kahl's case, I don't see his stock being used for any more than just taking more stuff onto the store.

[twilit geode]

New content shouldn't necessarily introduce new resources, because eventually (And arguably it has already happened), it just becomes exhausting keeping track of all the different resources and where to get them. But a new way to get other difficult resources to acquire, such as say, rare resources you'd normally have to go out to find. Such as Cetus Wisps, or Entrati Lanthorns, or Kuva (In more than 5000 quantity packs, please and thank you. Have you ever TRIED to roll a riven for a good result?)

[prime lantern]

I can already get like 200k Kuva an hr

[twilit geode]

And nobody said you couldn't. But alternate ways of getting the most expensively-used resource in the game help prevent burning out on the other ways of getting it.

Again, this is about longevity and keeping the game interesting.

Different people bounce off of different playstyles. What works for you may not work for someone else. The point is that they should still feel like they're being rewarded for what they're doing, even if they don't enjoy it.

[real niche]

See that's not my concern, my concern is that they make resources that are used for one thing and never again, exactly like Kullervo's Bane. Like at the very least Kuva and the Systems you get from Profit Taker make a couple other things

[wild wind]

That did come later though, originally it was just the gyromags and literally nothing else

[scarlet basalt]

Not really
Because funny enough for kullervo you have a chance to get a forced kullervo fight, so once you get everything in acritis's store.... well... there is huh... 2 things

For kahl, well with how shard are weekly... I guess this do the job and they add more Warframe for more grind
The grind will never stop 😈😈

But I do hope that also mean that de collect info from which archon's shard are more used and why they're more used to make more change that will impact the game for the best.
Or make the next Warframe even better.
We have dagath that will come and look like a very nice Warframe to mess around

[deft rampart]

"do 2 runs, you can try again until you hit all objetives". so.... 1 run for EVERYTHING ELSE, 1 run for Kahl Go Fast only

[twilit geode]

The point was that on that particular mission, it is actually impossible to do both Kahl Go Fast and Ven’kra on a single run. Depending on the speed buffs for kahl, MAYBE we can. But that also depends on the finnicky as hell Grineer AI to cooperate.

[rugged marsh]

Thanks DE, fast shipping, and he cute.

[steep delta]

isn't there a narmer domestik drone?

found some images of it but they are blurry

[wild wind]

I think there's a Duviri drone, not sure about Narmer

[steep delta]

there's one in the tilesets but not in the market

[fading turret]

So what actually was the Deadlock Protocol? Is it effectively just code for when Nef says “Hey so we’re going to go and prove that I am the son of Parvos Granum, founder of the Corpus, and his rightful heir to absolute power over the Corpus, but only when we decide to invoke the Deadlock Protocol”?

Or is it… something else?

Does the seven-seven split votes cast seven times have something to do with it?

[vital solstice]

It's the votes thing, specifically it's a process to find a sole leader for the corpus if the board of directors can't make decisions (i.e. are deadlocked)

Nef was triggering it on purpose so he could seize control of the corpus by claiming to be heir of Parvos

[fading turret]

Interesting

[near rune]

Yeah, as Nef says in the intro cutscene, the Board was deadlocked on the same vote 7 times. The Deadlock Protocol, in context, seems like a process by which the deadlock is resolved by uniting the Corpus under a single person who makes all the decisions.

[prime lantern]

Do we know how many members are on the corpus board?

[nova harness]

14

7 for 7 against was said in the cutscene

https://youtu.be/6GSnuCLai6Y?si=91SgWDc0j6CkQZkH

What planet do you think they are next to?

[amber terrace]

I’m really happy with the Hildryn buffs(passive buff, shield DR buff, and stat changes coinciding with mod stat number rework), how do I calculate the shield point increase for Hildryn Prime? I added 1880 and 1662.5 and divided by 100 and I got ~113. Does this mean that Hildryn Prime got a 13% or a 113% increase to shields? 113% doesn’t sound right because a 100% increase would mean doubling the current shield amount and 1880 ≠ 2 • 1662.5

Forgive me for being bad at math, I haven’t had to do percentage stuff in a very long time

[prime lantern]

Huh

[amber terrace]

My best guess is probably Venus but that’s just gut instinct combined with the way the planet looks in the cutscene compared with how Venus looks like in the star chart

[woeful jacinth]

13% increase

[rain otter]

Venus?

[jagged lake]

so how sapient do you guys think the infested liches will be? like will their personalities just be the dialogue accompanying their howls and screeches a la phorid or will they be more like jordas with full spoken dialogue

[oblique plaza]

Probably something like zeloid prelate

Probably butchered that name

[near rune]

It's Venus. There was a new loading screen released around this time showing Venus in that colour/lighting, and Venus is Nef Anyo's power base.

[amber terrace]

Should I try to properly mod Hydroid Prime now for when his rework comes?

[nova harness]

If you want

[near rune]

There's a big Dev Workshop outlining the specific changes so you can def use that to see the specific changes that are planned and see how that might affect your mod build

[amber terrace]

I read the dev workshop but I don’t trust my modding sensibilities in comparison to some of the people on this server : )

[wild wind]

Forma the exilus slot for PSF and toss an umbral on him. That's basically all the prep I did.

I am running augments for both his 1 and 4 and Rolling Guard though.

[abstract trellis]

Hey why didn’t anyone tell us kahl was going to move in after veilbreaker? I do not like him. How do I ask him to leave?

[wild wind]

Go back to The Orbiter and don't use the camp

[prime lantern]

What did Kahl do to you

[abstract trellis]

I have but I like the camp. Having people move in is a great idea I’m just saying I would’ve liked more say. Maroo and varzia can shack up as long as they want

[abstract trellis]

Nothin I just don’t really get anything out of the caveman speak and one eyed sweaty zombie aesthetic

[wild wind]

Once you advance in the Veilbreaker syndicate you'll have more people move in

[abstract trellis]

Are any of them hot?

[prime lantern]

Maroo and varzia need privacy

[wild wind]

Just not anyone you know

[abstract trellis]

I mean uh

No that’s what I meant

[prime lantern]

And no you can't make Kahl leave

[wild wind]

I'm aware.

The answer's no. Chipper's a bamf though.

[prime lantern]

A what

[abstract trellis]

No hot people why DE

Look to the success of baldur’s gate you know what the people want

[nova harness]

a very tough or formidably impressive person.

[prime lantern]

The game that came out after veilbreaker?

[abstract trellis]

Bad attitude mother follower

[abstract trellis]

Lol I’m talking future updates. It would be cool to get like syndicate people hanging out at the camp

Syndicate people have those lovely jumpsuits

[prime lantern]

Besides I've seen people simp after umbra and ballas I don't think this game needs more hot people

[obtuse gyro]

This is what I'm currently thinking of, breach sure swappable for roar

[prime lantern]

How do you even simp over umbra

[nova harness]

Are you trying to start a relationship with them or something?

[prime lantern]

He doesn't have a face

[abstract trellis]

Oh so you need a face to be worthy of love??

[prime lantern]

It's literally just a smooth surface

[abstract trellis]

Not with kahl I’ll say that much

[prime lantern]

What I've seen is definitely not love

[abstract trellis]

Idk about umbra but if you were talking saryn or wisp

Okay this is not the path I wanted this discussion to go down mb

I’m just not a kahl enjoyer

[nova harness]

Then leave the camp

[abstract trellis]

Why should I leave my own camp

He should leave my own camp

I have rights

[nova harness]

So does Kahl

[abstract trellis]

Finders keepers

[nova harness]

You rescued him

[prime lantern]

Kahl is technically richer than you

[abstract trellis]

I just wanted to unlock archon hunts not become a zombie foster home

[prime lantern]

He could very well have just bought the land

[abstract trellis]

I’m not seeing credits on that purchase!

[prime lantern]

A single lamp in kalis home Is worth more than your entire orbiter

[nova harness]

You get free security from Kahl

[abstract trellis]

How dare you speak to my orbiter that way

[prime lantern]

Grandma outbid nef god dam anyo

[serene cave]

Kahl gives free soup too.

[prime lantern]

Do you understand how rich you need to be to outbid nef anyo

[nova harness]

Kahl is the best Grineer in this game well maybe second best

[prime lantern]

Kahl is best

[abstract trellis]

I’m not actually bothered I just thought it was funny that you do a quest and then someone literally moves into your home without asking

[nova harness]

You gave him permission

[abstract trellis]

Took me by surprise

I don’t remember that dialogue choice!

[nova harness]

It’s no real surprise you fly him there

[abstract trellis]

Wait genuine question because I haven’t progressed too far, is kahl’s squad actually different in any way from steel meridian

[prime lantern]

Yes

[abstract trellis]

Like I’m terms of their cause and who they are

[prime lantern]

Kahl fights narmer and saves everyone from narmer veils

[abstract trellis]

Okay because I was gonna say Clem joined up with steel meridian what’s stopping kahl

[nova harness]

Kahl wants to protect Grineer

[prime lantern]

Steel Meridian defends colony and helps grineer defecters

[prime lantern]

Kahl also dislikes Steel Meridian too many people he says

[abstract trellis]

I’m not sure I’m seeing a strong distinction ngl

[abstract trellis]

Lol is this actually dialogue

[prime lantern]

Yes

[wild wind]

Like, in universe, yeah, Kahl doesn't get along with the Steel Meridian

[abstract trellis]

I like how DE thought of that

They definitely put that in because they knew someone would ask

[wild wind]

The Meridian is laser focused on helping Grineer away from the queens, while Kahl is much more about fighting Narmer and doesn't mind working with (ex)Corpus

[nova harness]

Kahl after New War actually had no other place to go so we took him in

[abstract trellis]

I mean Kahl is pretty against the queens and I don’t see why steel meridian wouldn’t save people from narmer

[prime lantern]

Kahl: "Steel Meridian too big. Worms see them coming. Kahl work better like this. Little group. Like Kubrow pack."

[abstract trellis]

But the fact there’s dialogue kahl doesn’t like steel meridian means that DE definitely intended them to be separate

[wild wind]

Not their mission. Like, they fight Narmer, but they don't plan ops or have resources to focus on it.

[abstract trellis]

For someone named mediocre you have done upstanding lore hunting Tenno

You guys think kahl is smelly

[prime lantern]

Kahl: "Camp strong... but can be stronger. Kahl and Blue Girl will free even more brothers. Strong boy brothers and smart girl brothers. Kahl and Blue Girl good team. Narmer scared. Blue Girl excited. Say day of reckoning be fun party. No be party. For brothers... new life. For Narmer... end of world."
Interesting brother isn't a gendered word in grineer language

[abstract trellis]

Yeah I do not enjoy kahl like reading that is just painful to me

But that’s my opinion

[balmy badger]

Kahl doesn't dislike them, he just prefers working with a smaller group, there is radio dialouge in the camp talking about some of the brothers being sent off to Steel Meridian.

[prime lantern]

Also steel Meridian would kill a grineer working for the queens kahl doesn't

[nova harness]

Clones don’t know the difference between sir and ma’am in Star Wars either maybe it’s just a clone thing

[prime lantern]

Khal not understand why grineer love queens but he accepts it and let's them live and leave

Kahl: "Vay Hek say Ostron Kahl enemy. But Ostron not enemy. Queens say Tenno is monster. But Tenno not monster. They lie. Narmer is enemy. Pazuul is monster. And Vay Hek. Vay Hek scared of Pazuul. Queens hide in fortress. Cowards. And Tenno? Tenno not coward. Tenno not hide. Tenno fight Archons. Tenno give home. To brothers. Tenno is friend. Tenno... is brother."

[abstract trellis]

Aww

[nova harness]

Kahl best Grineer

[abstract trellis]

Nah I much prefer Clem

But to each their own

[prime lantern]

Can't find anything regarding kahls crew joining sm

[nova harness]

I love democracy

[abstract trellis]

Clem

[prime lantern]

Kahl: "Steel Meridian too big. Worms see them coming. Kahl work better like this. Little group. Like Kubrow pack."
This is the only line from kahl regarding sm

That I could find

[balmy badger]

The line is from Daughter, not Kahl.

[prime lantern]

Dammit

Too many qoutes to sift through for that

[abstract trellis]

Romance options wouldn’t be a bad idea for warframe now that I think about it

Drifter might be lonely

[nova harness]

This isn’t a dating simulator

Too much murdering to bother with relationships

[abstract trellis]

Yeah but lots of games have romance options and aren’t dating sims

Skyrim, baldur’s gate, dragon age

[prime lantern]

I mean romance would be a bad idea

[abstract trellis]

For why

[prime lantern]

One of the main characters Is a literal child

[abstract trellis]

Yeah I meant for drifter

[nova harness]

Romance isn’t in the theme of Warframe

[abstract trellis]

What is the theme of warframe

[prime lantern]

And I'm not sure the ethics of dating a warframe

Considering it's controlled by a child

Except umbra

[abstract trellis]

Yeah I didn’t think I had to clarify but I definitely meant the drifter dating a human

[nova harness]

And Drifter gave away their emotions as is

[prime lantern]

Date him if you want I don't care

[nova harness]

I don’t remember Drifter being a witch

[abstract trellis]

I wish

The delusion skin on wisp is dope but I would love a witch hat on my drifter

[prime lantern]

I've seen people thirst after umbra I can't be to certain of anything

[abstract trellis]

I’m not into men but I can see how umbra has that appeal of the dark dangerous man that needs emotional healing

When he radial howls, you feel it. His pain

I think if romance was a feature though it would be drifter to human and be more wholesome focused

But I also don’t see it happening. Just a thought

Anyways I’m gonna go back to writing this eviction notice for kahl

[rain otter]

Hey I like Kahl.

Sadge. Also he brings his friends.

[nova harness]

It definitely won’t happen

[prime lantern]

Also there arnt many romance options

[abstract trellis]

Take him

[prime lantern]

Varzia and maroo have there thing going on

Teshin is basically your dad

[abstract trellis]

I mean there’s countless humans in the galaxy

[nova harness]

Lotus is mom

[abstract trellis]

But I could especially see it with like a syndicate member

Omg and each syndicate would have like different romance paths

Omg omg like new loka would swoon for flowers and red veil would be like let’s go hang out at a graveyard

Omg omg someone stop me

[nova harness]

Stop

[rain otter]

@abstract trellis have you had RJ crew?

[abstract trellis]

Monopoly date night with Perrin sequence HELP ME

[abstract trellis]

I’m close to unlocking it yeah

Maybe that’s where this is coming from

[rain otter]

Cuz you might die with like wanting overload.

[balmy badger]

Honestly, yeah. As iconic as Clem is, Kahl has better character development.

[rain otter]

Cus each Synd has a specific like VA and Character for their RJ like guy you get.

[abstract trellis]

Clem has zero character development that’s his thing

[rain otter]

And they all have unique lines and stuff.

Like the New Loka girl talks about Having a Kavat.

[abstract trellis]

Yeah I’m really excited to unlock them

[nova harness]

Witch Lover is gonna start a relationship with his Railjack crew

[abstract trellis]

But tell me this syndicate specific romance path isn’t the best thing ever

[balmy badger]

Clem is just a funny meme character. Kahl is actually interesting lore-wise.

[rain otter]

The Red Veil Guy talks about like "See mother needlework was useful" and he's like "hey I can only repair this ship so much" and then the Perrin Sequence guy is like "adorkable"

I think the Suda one is always a woman

So is steel.

You can look up all their lines if you want.

[abstract trellis]

I wouldn’t know how to romance a Suda person

Maybe like buy her a dictionary

[rain otter]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Railjack/Crew/Quotes

[abstract trellis]

That’s cool they have all those lines!

They really are like followers

[nova harness]

He’s gonna start a relationship with his RJ crew

[abstract trellis]

Haha maybe I would if I could!

Consider it DE. Valentine’s Day event

[nova harness]

Technically you can

[abstract trellis]

[nova harness]

A Relationship can be a friendship

[abstract trellis]

The strongest bonds are forged in the fires of battle

[nova harness]

Exactly

[rain otter]

Nodders.

[abstract trellis]

I’m glad you can recruit any faction too

Just have to pay a tax if they’re not yours

[rain otter]

Or a decrease if they are your friends.

[abstract trellis]

I like new loka and red veil but I don’t particularly care for Perrin. They’re just the logical third one

[nova harness]

Shadey which syndicate is your favourite?

[abstract trellis]

Every time I buy a relic pack Glast says “you scratch our back, we’ll scratch yours” and I’m just like hey what if we don’t touch each other sound good? Sounds good.

[rain otter]

Idk

But my 3 Main synds I stay with are New Loka Perrin and Veil. I just switched to the others to get all their stuff recently lul.

[prime lantern]

Cephalon cy would disapprove of bringing your personal life aboard his ship

[nova harness]

It’s not his ship we built it

We own it

[prime lantern]

It's his ship

[nova harness]

I don’t remember him being called Captain

[trail grail]

😂

He does say "My ship" a few times..and he does give orders to the crew....its more like we own the ship but he runs the ship

If u get what I mean xd

[nova harness]

He’s an Executive Officer

[trail grail]

I find it weird that the corpus are more fleshed out in RJ and the Whole Sisters of parvos thing than the grineer

[obtuse gyro]

the C in cy stands for captain
the Y stands for Yolo

[trail grail]

Like when u go to spawn a lich u have a random guardian talking

But when u go to spawn a sister u got vala and parvos

In corpus RJ missions u have their captain speaking

But for grineer RJ u got no one on their side

Also corpus got these side structures u can go into..its like 2 or 3 bonus tilesets

[wild wind]

It's making up for lost time

The Corpus didn't have any lore at all for most of the game's existence, and only two tilesets

It's only in the last couple years that they got fleshed out

Like, there's only one Corpus boss that's actually a person with a name, the rest are robots and the Sergeant

[trail grail]

Salad V xd

[nova harness]

What about Prodman?

[prime lantern]

John prodman is no corpus

He is no mere man

[wild wind]

That's the one

[trail grail]

Honestly Salad is the worst corpus boss and character ever

He looks like a clown

[wild wind]

Prodman isn't a boss so much as an Easter egg

[trail grail]

And talks like one

[prime lantern]

I like salad as a character

[trail grail]

Even the corpus themselves hate salad xd

[prime lantern]

I don't like salads morals or ideals

But I like the character

[trail grail]

I find Parvos so much more interesting

But I do find his pathetic Granum Crown minions annoying

"Oh Parvos I will walk out into the battlefield with your Precious Crown..Protect Meee..."

[wild wind]

Nef Anyo's VA

[nova harness]

I still want a Nef assassination mission

[wild wind]

Who doesn't

[trail grail]

Nef..your time has come..me and the 50 solaris crewmen with gaze kitgunz are here to fry u

[nova harness]

Exactly

[trail grail]

I find it funny how the grineer actually got stronger with the worm queen in charge

Harvesting kuva..making liches

Doing this and that

[wild wind]

We forced them to tech up

The twins had been happy to keep the Kuva to themselves until one of them got offed. Certified Godzilla Threshold.

[trail grail]

Captain Vor is Like the most useless grineer officer

He's like the Salad V of grineer

He's busy getting himself corrupted and boasting about his janus key xd

Just like salad is busy getting himself infested in that abysmal quest I would never think of doing again

Sargas Ruk and Lech Kril are slept on

We need more of them lol

[wild wind]

The ultimate troll of the game is going to be that the Janus Key is going to end up being super important

I can guarantee it

[trail grail]

And this guy has been dancing around with it for years 😂

My Janus Keeeeyyyy

[wild wind]

Yup

[nova harness]

I think Wally has plans for Vor

[trail grail]

Probably yes

He doesn't have that key and live in the void and duviri for nothing

At this point the grineer queen probably forgot vor exists 😂

[nova harness]

She probably forgets all her troops and sees them beneath her

[tall shoal]

Bro I'd be appalled if she remembered, I forget he exists

[cinder steppe]

I noticed that the Warframe version of "Into The Void" sounds slightly different than the original from Nine Inch Nails

Like the drums are slightly harder hitting, the guitars are more present and they completely redid the intro with a more Warframe instrumentation

I honestly like these changes to the song

[scarlet basalt]

my style of music is whatever WOTW's combat is

[magic summit]

The Janus key will wind up being needed to send us to Warframe 1999 or something

[obtuse gyro]

Beat the janus key out of vor

[nova harness]

What do you think would happen if we tried to pull it off him?

[main panther]

It's it like connected to him?

[fleet veldt]

Just put a modded Narmer Veil on Vor and then he'd be compliant.

[frozen maple]

"You will never pry the Janus Key from the clutches of its rightful owner!"

Or so he says.

[tall shoal]

I'll take that challenge

[solar monolith]

OH MY GOD!!!

This mission about the Red Veil's origin is a bloody horror game!

[obtuse gyro]

Homie has found the Chains of Harrow

[obtuse gyro]

Youll get more come this December with Whispers in the Wall

[solar monolith]

Wait, what's this weird ball in my room

Ballas?

Wait ,Lotus face reveal???

Wait nvm

Wait hold on Lotus, where you going?

Lotus!!!!!!

[solar monolith]

On a similar note.

Wtf!

I got jumpscared...by myself?!?!

"Hey kiddo...."

[steady gate]

hehehe

Hope you enjoy being haunted

[solar monolith]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah

Wait. This will happen again?

[prime lantern]

You'll learn in the new war

[steady gate]

The Hey Kiddo thing, well

I’m assuming you jumped straight from Chains of Harrow to Apostasy, with little time between them?

[steady gate]

This was Apostasy, by the way

[solar monolith]

Yeah. I was coming back from Cetus to buy stuff for my first Necramech.

Wandered into my room , then saw this glowing ball

[prime lantern]

Or well you'll learn why its happening in the new war

[steady gate]

Mediocre, shush. It’s Chains of Harrow stuff, not new war.

[solar monolith]

Yeah. Kinda freak me out seeing myself standing on the Nighwave radio

At first I thought it was part of the story with how the final fight of CoH has us use the Operator only.

Scared the crap out of me when 'I' said "Hey kiddo"

[steady gate]

Yeah. So if you remember in CoH it talked about Rell holding back The Man in The Wall, and Lotus Said he was hallucinating?

[solar monolith]

Stoooop

[steady gate]

he wasn’t. Meet TMITW. He takes your form.
He also speaks through you sometimes, like in War Within.

[solar monolith]

Aside from the Ballas reveal cutscene, I haven't dtarted Sacrifice yet

[steady gate]

I’m saying nothing you haven’t seen/heard ingame yet

[solar monolith]

Great. Just what I needed besides a hive mind plague ; a lovecraftian abomination

[steady gate]

Heh

If you look well enough, he’s been referenced in the game in multiple places for a while.

[prime lantern]

Cheese do you remember what you chose to do with the kuva in war within

[solar monolith]

I chose to...well I don't remember what exactly was the option.

But I suppose I chose the neutral option

Why?

[prime lantern]

The options were drink hand to teshin and drain it off the mountain

Mintw has a unique voiceline depending on the option

[solar monolith]

I think I chose Control

Am I screwed?

Oh I remember now

That one moment my character's voice went weird

[steady gate]

Yeah

That was TMITW.

[solar monolith]

[prime lantern]

I can only remember he laughs when u drink

[prime lantern]

Or maybe it was "took you long enough"

Can't remember the exacts

[nova harness]

Sun] Destroy
The Operator pours the Kuva into the snow, before an unknown voice speaks from the Operator: "You mad at me, kiddo? Did you forget? You owe me."
[Neutral] Control
The Operator gives the Kuva to Teshin, before an unknown voice speaks from the Operator: "Don't forget, kiddo... you're nothing without me."
[Moon] Consume
The Operator drinks the Kuva, before an unknown voice speaks from the Operator: "Hey, kiddo, what took you so long?"

[lunar tendon]

does the operator/drifter choice change the look of your op after the quest is over?

[near rune]

You can change back and forth

[lunar tendon]

cool ty

[near rune]

There's another choice at the end of The New War, and that choice is permanent (in some ways but not others)

[lunar tendon]

ooh Ill keep that in mind

[lunar tendon]

oh no I cant make this choice

[wild wind]

Lol

[lunar tendon]

thats the thing I want to pick margulis

oh but only the name is perm

[near rune]

Yeah the name is permanent, you can buy skins that change the appearance (and voice?) later by interacting with the helmet in the Personal Quarters

[lunar tendon]

bro its so nice to hear a lotus that isnt constantly broken by static

[near rune]

some of us had to hear that for four whole years

[velvet wing]

If you turned on creator mode you would get old lotus transmissions

[scarlet basalt]

i wonder what the level of WoTW will be
Seems that it will be around 80 - 100 ? With the upcoming change for shieldgating it may be more playable than rely to current meta who is...Special...

[solar monolith]

So, I put the Relinquary thing on my railjack.

And suddenly, I can hear 'his' voice again

Bro, my game suddenly became a horror game since I cleared Chains of Harrow

[prime lantern]

Teehee

I wonder why "his" voice is coming from it

[craggy solstice]

Let's keep the community relatively clean.

[ripe dragon]

"Hey Kiddo"

[brazen blaze]

Do you think they've upped the chances of getting a hey kiddo in the orbiter leading up to Whispers? I swear I usually see Wally like once a month but I'm getting them like 3 times a day rn???

[flat shadow]

Its random. Sometimes I see him every day for days on end, sometimes I don't see him at all for weeks.

[brazen blaze]

huh, guess he just likes me rn (I wish he wouldn't)

[next zealot]

I haven't seen wally in forever

[flat shadow]

It's been a couple weeks for me, too. He's probably stirring trouble somewhere else. He'll be back.

[glossy axle]

i saw them yesterday, on a different spot than their usual which was surprising

[flat shadow]

He's going to make me wet myself next time he shows up.

[glossy axle]

i kinda wish that wally took on the appearance of my drifter, since i have drifter active lmao

[next zealot]

Most recent time was around the start of dog days

[nova harness]

That’d take a while to do

[next zealot]

Same, he looks pretty bad because he uses my old operator

[brazen blaze]

I have my operator specifically set up for wally appearances

lookin all creepy

idk he won't leave me alone rn tho

I've literally had 4 today

[glossy axle]

like on one hand i'm like, i'd like to have wally look like my drifter bc i prefer drifter over operator, but on the other hand it's funny to imagine there's just a child running freely around my ship without the burden of having to do tenno stuff

[rain otter]

He can be outside In the grass if you know what I mean.

[flat shadow]

I do not

[glossy axle]

oh he's not ship-bound if you use the camp?

[rain otter]

Yeah

[glossy axle]

ohh that's so cool!!

[rain otter]

That's what I mean. He can He like on the Bridge and stuff.

[flat shadow]

OH! Ok. I'm sorry, I thought you were using a euphamism

[rain otter]

Lul no

[nova harness]

They use the exact same interior just one requires an extra step to go up and down

He uses exact same spawns

[rain otter]

He has more spawns In the camp

Is what i was saying he can Spawn on the like little Bridge

[nova harness]

Got a picture of this?

He’s never been there for me

[glossy axle]

same, i'd love to see! :o

[rain otter]

I might have one but I'll have to find it.

[nova harness]

And being on the bridge is still ship bound

It’s part of the Orbiter

[rain otter]

No one ever looks at the bridge but yeah i have a fee people saying that he can be like right next to the ship on that tiny like white bridge.

I've seen him there I just don't know if I got a screenshot.

@lunar tendon oh you just did the new war you can make your drifter camp your default hub if you want.

[topaz pewter]

Has everyone done the new war quest

[steady gate]

Impossible; there will always be players who haven’t done it
But a lot of people here have

[topaz pewter]

Okay

I was asking bc I need a good build for the nataruk

[steady gate]

Wrong channel to ask for that
#builds-discussion

[solar monolith]

So, I'm about to confront Umbra. No Warframe

But damn, my Amp does little damage.

Any recommendations?

[unkempt zephyr]

tbh, get at least a 111 amp, that'll make a difference since the dmg will improve a lot

but it's doable with the default amp, just you'll need to worry about your movements more coz umbra will most likely kill your operator in just a few hits, or one hit from his radial javelin will take you out

[solar monolith]

A 111 what?

How?

[twilit geode]

Yeah, even a base crafted amp of the very first three parts available is already a huge step up from the free starter amp

[solar monolith]

Youe mean the mote amp?

[unkempt zephyr]

no, mote amp is the default one given by quills

[twilit geode]

They’re using a term for how people represent their amp builds. A 111 means the first prism, the first scaffold, and first brace. The numbers go up to 7, which are the highest parts from Little Duck

[solar monolith]

This is so much

[unkempt zephyr]

here

1 ~ 4 parts can be acquired from quills, which will require a bit of material grind

cetus wisp, ores and eidolon hunts

[solar monolith]

So, do I have to hunt eidolons just to get the material to kill umbra?

[unkempt zephyr]

it's optional

if you compare mote amp and 111 amp, the dmg change goes from 100 ~ 3k

[twilit geode]

You can still use your amp, their hp remains down the amount you took it to if they manage to “kill” you

[unkempt zephyr]

I completed the sacrifice 6 times (on alts and main) using mote amp, it takes time but it can be done

[twilit geode]

But I would absolutely recommend building a new amp before The New War.

[solar monolith]

So, I can just keep killing Umbra without worrying him recharging his shield every time I respawn?

[twilit geode]

The shield Regens I think, but not the hp

[unkempt zephyr]

yes, the shield regen

[twilit geode]

Make use of void sling to get up to high places to get potshots off a bit to maximize damage before he downs you again

[unkempt zephyr]

you'll need to confront umbra for like 3 times, each time on different maps and the damage he does gets higher ( which doesn't rly matter as operator is fragile anyways)

[solar monolith]

Wait nvm. The shiedl didn't regen. I can just spawn attack him over and over

[unkempt zephyr]

it didn't? well that's new

[unkempt zephyr]

super cheese

[solar monolith]

Yeah. I suppose DE are aware players never really changing their amps lol

[unkempt zephyr]

I don't think they care, coz even if shield regens players can still cheese it out

the only difference is the time taken

[twilit geode]

Yeah, I recall they made that change with all the trouble people had with Umbra.

[unkempt zephyr]

Well they should have made the change before I did it 6 times

[solar monolith]

'Stab'

"Squirm like the MAGGOT you are, Ballas!"

Wait...

Lotus?!?!

You look different ....

[unkempt zephyr]

oh, you're at that part?

[twilit geode]

Now things get interesting. You’ll need a Railjack and Necramech for The New War. And again, build at the very least a new Amp from the parts from Onkko.

[solar monolith]

Ok.

Wow. This game is crazy

And neat, I got a new cool looking Warframe

Ok wow.

So to summarise

The Warframes were just hollow puppets made from Infestation

They were all crazy , until Ballas had the brilliant idea to use the Orphans of the Zariman to become the 'soul' of the Warframes.

That right?

[unkempt zephyr]

which comes with pre installed reactor + r5 umbral mods and a max ranked decent melee with pre installed catalyst + r5 sacrificial mods

[solar monolith]

Those are the only Umbra mods ,or can I farm them somewhere?

[unkempt zephyr]

you can buy extra copies from simaris, but I doubt if you'll need them (other than using for builds that just need some of them but you slot them in for the set bonus)

[solar monolith]

Ok

And back to lore, the Orokin wasn't just killed off from the Tenno rebellion, but also from Ballas leaking info for the Sentients?

And Ballas is dating Lotus?

And Umbra is...alive compared to other Warframes?

[unkempt zephyr]

he is sentient, as a punishment by Ballas for attempting to report his betrayal

he still has memories of killing his son, under influence of Ballas though, as you can see in [The Sacrifice]

Ballas planned his betrayal after the death of Margulis iirc

asking this in #lore-discussion would get you more accurate responds

[unkempt zephyr]

not exactly Lotus, Margulis to be exact

Lotus just takes the form and looks similar to her, which reminds Ballas of Margulis

Count her as a 'replacement'

[twilit geode]

Basically Ballas loved Margulis, and she chose death by execution over renouncing her morals. Orokin weren’t used to death, living on through continuity over and over, and so without her, life after life, was a fate he despised. So he plotted to betray the empire that executed her. The empire he helped build.

[unkempt zephyr]

she is sentenced to death due to matters regarding the tenno iirc

[twilit geode]

It’s also the reason he hates the Tenno too. He partially blames them for her death. Among other things.

[unkempt zephyr]

stubborn bastard

did he blamed everything except himself

[twilit geode]

When you live your life looking down on others, when would you ever gain the humility to hold yourself accountable to the same degree?

[obtuse gyro]

Made from people

[solar monolith]

Goddamn Orokins

[obtuse gyro]

They are all Alive, thats the point of the Sacrifice

[solar monolith]

But only Umbra retains his...sentiece?

[obtuse gyro]

Thanks to ballas's special punishment

[solar monolith]

Damn you, Ballas

[solar monolith]

Wait. Who's this guy that gave me this sword?

[obtuse gyro]

Ballas?

[solar monolith]

Really? Man, dude let himself go real quick

Also, oh god.

It's 'Him' again
Stop haunting me!

[prime lantern]

No (:<

[steady gate]

“She stole my death: my perfect death!”
He didn’t want to become that, is what he was telling you

[coral grotto]

Honestly one of the hardest choices the game gives you

[next zealot]

They are all alive, but ballas gave Umbra a special transference bolt as a punishment

[weak peak]

Does anyone know what Kullervo looked like before he entered Duviri?

[near rune]

nope, we have no info on this. feel free to speculate!

[weak peak]

Wish I had a way to speculate, seeing how "corrupted", if you wanna call it that, he is

Either way, shame.

[prime lantern]

I mean there's not a whole lot to suggest his design was changed much by the void

Other than I Belive storm of ukkos Description "call out to the void" blah blah blah

The Void answers Kullervo’s invocation with a storm of daggers that rain down upon his enemies

So imo the only difference could be kullevero being gilded and more prime like though that is entirely based on headcanon

[near rune]

Kullervo's helmet exhibits some of the circular motifs seen in Duviri, as well as resembling Thrax's helmet, so I would take that as an indication that his appearance has been altered by Duviri.

[weak peak]

Altered completely, I'd say.

That makes me wonder what really happens to whatever enters Duviri. Because neither the Drifter or our Warframes change (of course, because of development resources). But this makes me think of what are the implications of this

Do Duviri "visitors" stay the same, while those that are put into Duviri eternally (like Kullervo) get altered to fit it's aesthetics?

[nova harness]

Duviri and by extension the Void just does what it wants when it wants

[prime lantern]

Kullevero is no less a visitor than teshin or albrecht entrati

[near rune]

The Drifter didn't really "enter" Duviri as much as it was created around them. Since warframes (that are used by the Drifter) are sent through the Paradox I'm not sure they're the same as other entities that arrive in Duviri. It would be interesting to see how Albrecht was changed upon arrival, if at all (although we do get a short physical description of him from Acrithis). Teshin, other than aging, doesn't really seem to have changed at all.

[wild wind]

There's a difference between going native like Drifter, Kullervo and Teshin and being borrowed through the paradox

[weak peak]

Well, it's most interesting to think about. Though as I've read, Kullervo's warden is supposed to be Ballas, and this NPC looks like it belongs there. Even though it's not actually ballas, it's his embodiment. So Ballas wasn't exactly there.

[wild wind]

Correct, it's a character created to torment Kullervo and keep him locked up.

[solar monolith]

Ok
I literally just logged in.

Added some mods on Umbra and about to take him for a test drive on Deimos.

When suddenly....

'Hey Kiddo'

Then I started talking to 'him' about me killing Isaah.

Kinda confused about that part

Can you stop jumpscaring me ?!

[unkempt zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-welcome-moana-maui-dance-gif-17340967

[subtle garden]

Easiest*

Well tbh that depends a lot on who you are and what you believe in

That's why this game got so much potential in the story department because while our choices have been limited thus far they bring many interesting concept to think about

||I will ommit all of the drifter, parallel world and other time travel shenanigans as those hurt my head||

I feel like there is an entire prism of analysis of the Warframe story under the philosophy concept of "Jung shadow"

[rain otter]

He is supposed to be that but he is made of like all of Kullevros extreme emotions.

Also He was the at least for a short while who Kullevro like "loved" before he figured out Ballas was a Jerk. Which we support Gay Rights and Wrongs.

[obtuse gyro]

I mourn the fact that english only has one word for love

Given the text of kullervo's first crime this isnt the eros type of love but rather the philia type of love. The difference between a lover and someone who's favour you've won

[rain otter]

Shhhhhh

No shhhhh

I don't care what it says in other languages I am gonna a say Kullevro I'd gay you can't stop me.

[obtuse gyro]

Okay. Whatever, do wonder what the greek language version of the game translates this "love" as

[rain otter]

Shhhh

[steady gate]

TMITW talking about what the Operator got from Umbra’s memories
Also no, he won’t.

[flat abyss]

guys, ANY update or fixed release date of cross progression yet?

[near rune]

They announced at TennoCon that they are aiming to release cross-save in 2023.

[flat abyss]

yeah i know but like any month or just 2023?

[near rune]

That's all the info we have right now

[flat abyss]

ok no leaks or smth?

[near rune]

Not that I know of. I'm not sure how things like that could leak.

Usually when we get leaks it's because DE puts new assets in the game ahead of time. That sort of thing isn't going to happen with cross-save. It seems like it's just a bunch of network code and legal agreements with the other platforms, and it won't be ready until it's ready.

[rain otter]

Okay Was it this update that was Cross Platform Clans?

[near rune]

I sort of remember they mentioned that topic on the last devstream but I can't recall what was said exactly.

[near rune]

So according to the reddit recap thread of the devstream, they said cross-platform clans are coming with Abyss of Dagath, and maybe cross-platform friends list but that wasn't certain. It will also include behind-the-senes stuff for the final cross-save.

[rain otter]

Okay thought so.

You would have to add like cross platform Friends and trading too right? If you added clans

HMMMM

[near rune]

I don't recall them saying anything about trading.

[rain otter]

You trade in clans though.

[near rune]

IMO the trading will be the hardest non-technical part. As far as I know the economies on all platforms are totally different.

[near rune]

Yeah but that's not the only thing clans are for. They can add cross-platform clans without trading.

[rain otter]

Oh I don't really think that matters.

Also they did say they would add it we don't know when though.

[near rune]

I'm assuming cross-platform trade is coming eventually. I just said I thought it would be hardest for them to hash out with Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo.

[rain otter]

Why?

[unkempt zephyr]

that will probably come along with the release of warframe mobile

I'm guessing

[rain otter]

Like if you meant like different Plat prices or something I think that will only matter when like going to a different platform when you use Crosssave. Like I don't think your like bought Plat will come with you from platform to platform which is fine but I don't think that effects trading really.

[near rune]

I'll admit I don't know too much about this. My assumption was anything involving currency transactions was going to be tough to negotiate no matter what. But this is far from my area of expertise.

[rain otter]

Fair.

[unkempt zephyr]

Well, ppl talked about this before, and think that the price for everything might go down after cross save and cross trade is a thing

[flat abyss]

wait so if i have account on the same email what will happen to both of them when cross save comes out?

[next zealot]

The prices for stuff will probably average out

[unkempt zephyr]

like accounts on different platforms but linked to the same email? No idea, we don't know what will DE do about that

[unkempt zephyr]

most likely

[rain otter]

We don't know

Some kind of merging probably

[vagrant wind]

I just want the cross save to come out already fr.

[nova harness]

So does most people but if it’s not done right you would lose your entire accounts stuff

[rain otter]

It will probably release in small waves stealthily like Crossplay.

[vagrant wind]

Oh OK thx

[wide iris]

After cross save, i hope DE make warframe for Android

But I bet that will happen properly in next year

Am sad

[nova harness]

They will but it’s easier to test on IPhone

[flat shadow]

Android will be much more challenging, considering how many options there are for it.

[wide iris]

Well it may be on expensive android phone

Mid tier or below that cannot handle it

[glossy axle]

she's so cool.....

Zarr, Vengeful Pull Ephemera and a quirk

[magic summit]

I bet she can't even pronounce her last name

[hard brook]

Thing is though account prob won't be merged together,

Let's say you have 2 account a with no weapon / warframe / sentinel slots available.

You merge those 2 together you would need double the slot capacity and I doubt warframe will just force the gear over since then nobody would buy inventory slots anymore

[nova harness]

They would as if you need a slot you buy it on one it shows up on the other

[tall shoal]

I'd pronounce her last name stir ter

[nova harness]

I didn’t even know the last name could be that weird

[outer plover]

So as we all know Teshin died in TNW so what's the canonical explanation behind the Teshin that speaks to you when you do Steel Path? Is he Ordis like when the Lotus was MIA or what?

[prime lantern]

Cephalon hologram

[outer plover]

Ah

Thanks

[nova harness]

He didn’t die in TNW

But yeah he is a hologram now

[real niche]

Duviri Paradox, he's not dead.

[outer plover]

Y'all know what I mean hush

[nova harness]

No

He didn’t die

Don’t say he died when he was shown to be alive

All you had to say was when he got defeated by Erra and presumed dead

[outer plover]

Pfft

[near rune]

To be fair, even Teshin doesn't know if he actually died or not

[tall shoal]

He's kinda like "eh idrk but it's good now that I'm in a giant void power space"

[solar monolith]

Just finished doing Call of the Tempestarii.

Damn, didn't know the Corpus was also a music company.

Cause the song that plays while we play as Sevagoth's Shadow is 🔥🔥🔥

Is there another continuation of this Corpus Saga?

Cause the ending is a cliffhanger, so how do I unlock the next quest?

[obtuse gyro]

Call of the Tempestarii unlocks the Sisters of Parvos

which isnt so much of a quest but rather the Corpus Lich system

[solar monolith]

Huh.

[high cosmos]

Do you... not know about liches?

[solar monolith]

I'm new-ish
So no

[high cosmos]

Welp

Get ya note cards ready

Liches are essentially, near immortal grineer.

[solar monolith]

Ok. Nothing too surprising there

[high cosmos]

They have unique variants of weapons, found by killing them.

Kuva versions of weapons.

You can also spare them, which can have them randomly appear to help you out, or they can be on your railjack as crew.

When in a sector controlled by a lich, there are variants of normal missions, levels of enemies are jacked up.

They have unique enemies called thralls in them, which you have to parazon finisher to kill.

[solar monolith]

So, how to find them?

[high cosmos]

Are you talking bout liches or thralls?

[solar monolith]

Liches

[nova harness]

You need to kill a treasurer for a crown for Sisters Liches you just go to Cassini

[high cosmos]

Also, for clarifications sake, there are 2 types of liches.

Kuva, and sisters.

1 is corpus, 1 is grineer.

[high cosmos]

For kuva, go to Cassini,do the objective, wait for a minute until your screen flashes, then, kill as many enemies as you can.

[nova harness]

And element they use is determined by what Warframe you use

[high cosmos]

For a sister, you need the highest tier granum crown, which is from high end missions. then, go to one of the golden hand things, launch the highest tier granum void, get to rank 1, after a couple of seconds a candidate will spawn.

This goes for both.

(The candidate spawning after doing the perquisite, to be exact.)

Then, down the candidate.

If you like the weapon, murder em with a parazon finisher.

If you don't, leave em alone, you'll get some free kuva.

[high cosmos]

You good so far?

[solar monolith]

I guess?

Still need someone to carry me. Btw, about those siphons. Do I have hit the uhhh barbs with Operator?

[frail laurel]

no, there is like a black cloud travelling, and that's what u need to hit with the operator

[solar monolith]

Ohhh

Yeah ill do it later. Got class

[nova harness]

On a Sunday?

[unkempt zephyr]

prolly tuition night class or sorts

[solar monolith]

It sunday night. Tomorrow is monday for ne

[rain otter]

In the Codex there is a another cinematic that shows the like ending.

https://youtu.be/QW7PDI4l-QE?si=IHK8hBtd4EWddNPT

@solar monolith here it is if you don't wanna find it in game.

[amber terrace]

Question: with the shield damage reduction changes coming with Abyss of Dagath, does it also apply to enemies or is it only Warframes that have the 50% damage reduction on shields?

[rain otter]

Only warframes. Enemies have their own like stats.

[rancid ermine]

Im wondering if its going to make big changes to some builds

[rain otter]

Yes and no. If you where using Decaying you use the corrupted mod or some other survival but also no in that if you didn't care you are now just gonna be more tanky.

[real niche]

If you already regen shields through abilities it's only buffs since you regenerated much more shields than you needed for Decay anyway

[rancid ermine]

I do with some frames cuz it was just easier to do

[keen haven]

This might be an old question but how did lotus become a Eidolon? they don't exactly explain it well also do sentience just naturally become eidolons? Or is it like a process? or something?

[twilit geode]

Eidolons are like… Damaged Sentients. They’re not whole anymore. Fragmented and confused.

[keen haven]

Completely unrelated question why don't we kill nef already he's done so many things making people carry on their debt from their parents and then taking their limbs as profit it doesn't make sense why we haven't killed him yet in the boss fight

[compact haven]

I always assumed it's because he was stupid and we know it so the corpus really can't go anywhere with him leading.

[twilit geode]

They had a concept for a boss fight with him at one point, but it never went anywhere. I presume at some point we will. (3rd Orb Mother Raid?)

[graceful zodiac]

Because we don't know where he is or how to get to him.

[solar monolith]

You know. It would be nice if there’s a light hearted event, where the Warframes (being sentient like Umbr) interact with one another or just realx

[obtuse gyro]

aside from Umbra no frames are capable of currently functioning as such

[solar monolith]

I know. Which is a shame.

[prime lantern]

But we could change that

[twilit geode]

Is it a fun idea? Yes.
Is it likely? No.

[flat shadow]

Maybe they do when they are not in use. Helminth doesn't say where they go or what they do.

[prime lantern]

The process to give all our frames umbra like sentience would be rather violent

We'd ether kill the past frames and remake them with a new "umbral" transference bolt or rip out the old bolt and replace it

[nova harness]

Do you think Helminth can get full?

[unkempt zephyr]

I don't think so, considering helminth is the one that 'repair and maintain' your warframe after each mission, it's constantly working

[graceful zodiac]

Adding the bolt after the fact doesn't change the fact the memories aren't the to begin with

[prime lantern]

It'd be like caring for a baby then

[rain otter]

I mean if Full means not hungry then yes. cuz the helminth COMPLAINS A LOT when its hungwy

[bronze ginkgo]

I would do it again

[nova harness]

Do what?

[next zealot]

?

[prime lantern]

I know what he did

[next zealot]

What?

[flat shadow]

This is not the appropriate place to discuss moderation.

[nova harness]

Do you do this kind of stuff often?

[prime lantern]

@flat shadow he's still doing it

[next zealot]

What are you doing?

[nova harness]

He’s starting a one man war

[flat shadow]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

[frail laurel]

Break narmer update with 1st mission: kahl trying to run away from the archon of the week (update where he could slide)
2nd mission: kahl gets caught and escape narmer with stealth
3rd mission: queens send kuva lichs on narmer territory and kahl 1v1 the lich with his fists while also fighting narmer

[prime lantern]

Kahl is not beating a lich

[frail laurel]

Still 1v1

Lich could die bc of narmer

But i want him to try and punch lich

[prime lantern]

I severely doubt narmer wants to touch words backed by the voids power

That being requims

[frail laurel]

I forgot about that parts

[vestal quail]

Does anyone know if their doing anything with Pazuul?

[rain otter]

The 3rd orb fight will be narmer related.

[prime lantern]

He's the head of narmer so 3rd orb mother

[rain otter]

Otherwise probably not.

[vestal quail]

Is there any concepts of what the third orb looks like or is it just been discussed?

[rain otter]

I mean you can see it in the Orb Vallis. A narmer drone only appeared near it after vorunas update.

Like it physically exists in the world like the profit taker.

[vestal quail]

Where is it located?

[rain otter]

@vestal quail a lake near the Orokin Dig Site

[vestal quail]

Thank you Mr. Shroomy

[rain otter]

One of these 2 I think.

[vestal quail]

I’m gonna guess it’s the one on the left, I have about four hours until I get online, if you look would you mind pinging me with which lake it is?

[rain otter]

Sure I can

[magic summit]

Oh so that's what that was

[rain otter]

its the bigger lake on the left

[vestal quail]

I got a lot of pics of the whole thing

[burnt hare]

Which choose? what will change?

[wicked iron]

It just changes who you use for the rest of the quest.

[tardy wolf]

Dialogue changes slightly

[keen haven]

Fun fact if you didn't already know this but stalker is actually using umbra's body in this scene

Only none of umbras golden parts are

[solar monolith]

My reaction to the existence of the Man in the Wall :

[jagged lake]

uhhhh guys my operator somehow got into the drifter's wardrobe

[main panther]

Lmao

[warm turret]

Drifter 'amp' amp?

[craggy solstice]

Isn't that the mote amp?

[rain otter]

Yeah the drifter uses amps they just use the gun model though. It should also show the like drifter one.

[half cargo]

Hi, does anyone have a ss of dagaths bps and what they require?

[north hamlet]

Imagine being executed because you named your pet horse

[near rune]

Each blueprint costs like 15k credits to replicate from the Dojo room

[next zealot]

How, don't rooms take like 24 hours?

[nova harness]

You can skip a bit of or the whole timer for plat

[next zealot]

Oh yeah, didn't know you could do that for dojo rooms

[near rune]

You can rush the build for 15 platinum. My Dojo has a tiny bit of plat in the vault, so if I need a new room I rush it for plat, make a duplicate room and wait, and once it's done destroy the rushed room, and the plat gets refunded into the vault.

[nova harness]

I wonder if GrayArchon will make a Abyss of Degath article

[near rune]

I'll probably have Grandmother's story up within the hour

[next zealot]

Smart

[wooden plank]

do you need vinethorns for research aswell?
like
should i farm triple the amount or just double, for helminth and for actual use as a warframe

[near rune]

Just double. The research comes already completed (which is good, because research is one of the few timers that cannot be skipped with platinum).

[wooden plank]

t h a n k g o d

[nova harness]

Thank Wally

[near rune]

To clarify, you do not need Vainthorns for the Dojo research. Just the Foundry build.

Dagath herself also requires no Vainthorns, just the components.

[wooden plank]

her other bps+orokin cells, yes

[near rune]

Yeah, I guess you can just see that in the screenshot above.

[wooden plank]

mmmhm

still, thanks for the info

[half cargo]

thank you

[near rune]

Dagath's Hollow story transcript, for anyone who doesn't want to wait for the Dojo room to build: https://www.orokinarchives.com/grandmother-dialogue-dagath

[supple dagger]

Another dojo room???

ugh

[near rune]

I do hope they come up with more of a function for these rooms or something. Has anyone gone into the Bash Lab after getting Yareli and her pistol? Like what is even the point

[unkempt zephyr]

you can 'remove' the lab

[nova harness]

They will always have a use for someone

[wild wind]

that one irritates me, ghoulsaw should be chem lab while everything else should go to Fortuna and the ventkids

[balmy storm]

Did ordis get new voicelines?

[wild wind]

Y

[balmy storm]

He said something about humans living their lives and living them wrong, I feel like I’ve never seen it in all my years playing

[nova harness]

That’s because it’s new

[wild wind]

New voicelines from a joke contest were added

[balmy storm]

That’s what I was asking

[balmy storm]

Oh, very nice

[high cosmos]

So THATS why grandmother don't have a name.

She gave it to dagath.

[abstract trellis]

I like to think we’ve opened a foster home. Those kids have a grim future in fortuna

I’m joking I do not like the bash lab

[balmy storm]

will the naberous lotus skin leave or stay after naberous ends?

[nova harness]

The new skin?

[balmy storm]

yes

[nova harness]

That’s staying

[balmy storm]

awesome, tysm

[celest forge]

anyone know how to access the "abyssal zone" ? because it say its close to ceres, but i dont see the node

[nova harness]

You get the keys from syndicate stores then it’ll show up as a node

[celest forge]

thanks

[quartz obsidian]

How tells Grandmother the Story of Dagath?! Dont have any options for this in Deimos

[celest forge]

for this, you need to build the new clan room i think

[quartz obsidian]

Already built.

[velvet wing]

next to the altar in the room is a little table or something and you can walk up to and press to listen in, i'm assuming this is the story grandmother tells revealing the loooore

[quartz obsidian]

Found it thanks!

[next zealot]

That's why I got a knock knock joke, because it was from a joke contest

[wild wind]

Yup

Some of them are absolutely terrible

Big dad joke energy

[cyan crest]

tbf that fits ordis completely

[nocturne shore]

Makes me want to marry him faster

[sturdy cypress]

soooo....does Dagath's story say polygamy was taboo as a topic or just the concept of indulging with someone of lower status?

[rain otter]

Lower status.

[sturdy cypress]

okay cool, dont wanna misinterpret it

[rain otter]

She was a Dax they where Orokin. Also bi Poly couple.

[prime lantern]

The orokin are big on status

[rain otter]

@sturdy cypress it's also not putting a value Judgement on them like dating a Dax it was illegal but it wasn't wrong. The like bad thing they did Is like kill the horse cuz she liked it and in doing that kill the Dax. Then after she was a warframe and it wasn't like illegal for them to love her anymore hey just didn't like her anymore.

Like and then the rest of the story happens.

[sturdy cypress]

so then

warframes were treated like beings of higher status than the dax?

[rain otter]

They probably weren't seen as people.

[sturdy cypress]

then why do i feel inferior to teshin? at least, before the whole... you know.

[rain otter]

Like would you care if someone if a couple touched their lamp?

[rain otter]

Talk to Variza lmao.

[sturdy cypress]

dude, we need a teshin prime i swear

[prime lantern]

Wizard teshin

[rain otter]

Our resident Disaster Bi Varzia.

[sturdy cypress]

he is now one with the shadow wizard money gang

[rain otter]

Anyway yeah Couple bad cuz they couldn't put up with horse love and they didn't care about Dagath whenever she wasn't a forbidden fruit.

Not cuz of the Bi Poly stuff.

I actually like that's it a Poly relationship cuz it could have been a werid like "oh this Orokin cheated on their spouse" and been terrible and cringe this is way more interesting.

[prime lantern]

I think the most interesting part is gram gram getting mugged in the streets for her name

[rain otter]

Lul

[obtuse gyro]

DE was smart to not make the poly part the problem and stuck to the time old tradition of "if orokin = the problem"

[rain otter]

Yep. Also like I said i think it would have been worse if dagoth was just another woman cus then the big thing would have been like "cheating bad" which is so boring.

So this is way more interesting.

[fierce pier]

I am so confused is it solo or squad on this new warframe dagoth

[nova harness]

The post said solo or pre-made squads

[fierce pier]

Oh i suck at solo

[primal nexus]

So.... just recently played through duviri paradox
...
Just to be clear: the drifter, without a deal with man in the wall, created a pocket dimension within the void, within which he can rewind time

[fierce pier]

I has used to my wolf mom

[nova harness]

The Void goes off feelings Drifter had strong emotions and created it based on the book he read

[primal nexus]

But it's a stable pocket dimension?

[fierce pier]

I need her dagoth she like so cool

[nova harness]

It kinda is except in Undercroft

[primal nexus]

And undercroft is where stuff leaks in so is like... the metaphysical border of the pocket dimension and the untempered void is that an accurate understanding?

[fierce pier]

My enemies are lv 40-45

[nova harness]

Undercroft is close to normal void

Deep void as Teshin calls it

[rain otter]

That's conceptual embodiment. Also it's based on the Plains of Duviri Book.

[primal nexus]

Conceptual embodiment?

[nova harness]

Aren't you a fascinating anomaly. Anomalies? Right! Explanations. When consciousness and Void come together, it makes a thing. For example, me! Not nearly as fascinating as you, though.
ARCHIMEDEAN YONTA

[rain otter]

That's kinda what the book is about lmao. It's extreme emotions make things in the Void happen.

[nova harness]

And as much as some people think Wally isn’t needed for Void to be weird

[rain otter]

Yep.

[primal nexus]

After seeing the next update is called whisper in the wall... I'm hoping for more wally

[rain otter]

I mean did you see the trailer?

[nova harness]

Duviri was sort of the first step into Void arc

[rain otter]

Yeah

[primal nexus]

Trailer for whisper no XD

[rain otter]

The gameplay seems to be like the Zariman.

[nova harness]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EZEevs_RSPw

[rain otter]

Which is one the best updates and content DE has ever made so.

I'll take Zariman gameplay but again and better. I'll take that everyday.

[primal nexus]

Ooooooh

[flat tangle]

So... Now we know Grandmother's Real name and why she refuses a new one

Thanks Dagath (The Warframe)

[prime lantern]

Except it is no longer her name for she is grandmother

[nova harness]

Is Grandmother Eurelias side or Vilcors?

[rain otter]

Dagoth-Ur the building.

[rain otter]

Vilcor.

[rain otter]

Also I hate when people say "real name" cuz like whatever you want to be called is "real"

Idk it almost feels like deadnaming someone when you go "oh we know X characters real name" when you mean their original name that like they don't use now.

[nova harness]

Does that mean us being called Tenno is our real name?

[rain otter]

Idk always feels werid to hear "real name" for characters that have a current name they use that isn't that.

[rain otter]

I mean shRug. The family calls us Ayatan.

[velvet wing]

i think that's a little far to go with "deadnaming"

[rain otter]

I said "feels a little like"

Cuz it feels a little skeevy.

[velvet wing]

there's a level of disrespect that comes with deadnaming that i don't see when people say oh that's this characters actual name

[real niche]

It's not even deadnaming, it's just not their name (as of now), period. Calling Grandmother "Dagath" would just be wrong.

[rain otter]

But like when it's like Gomaitru and people go like "oh her real name is X" when it's her old name.

[velvet wing]

i think you're thinking about this too much and taking it too seriously, it isn't coming from a place of disrespect and that's the key difference when you compare deadnaming and calling the characters by a name they go/went by

[rain otter]

I don't wanna say like it's active like people being mean or anything.

It just makes me feel werid.

Like this Is a very small not mattering thing I said it was such I just it does like just makes me cringe when it happens.

I feel like it's just a good like time to think about stuff like "what is in name and what makes it your real or true name?" Which I think is kinda the point anyway of like the dagath story and the families story.

[velvet wing]

the only reason we know the names of these characters is because they trust us to know them, so if you think about it it's not on that level

[rain otter]

I agree?

I said at the beginning it wasn't and like I just said I don't think anyone is disrespecting anyone on purpose or doing anything bad on purpose.

This is just about how it feels werid to me and makes me cringe a little.

[velvet wing]

I mean when you approach them in the necralisk they have those names as their labels so they are currently used names and not past names

[rain otter]

What?

When people say real name thet usually mean the pre-fall names

[velvet wing]

when you walk up to any of the members of the Entrati family there is a small banner that appears and it has their name there

[rain otter]

I feel like

You've gotten confused at what I'm saying.

The thing that like skeevy to me is when people talk about Mainly Gomaitru and they will say "her real name is X" and it's like then name she used before.

Where did you think that like I was saying the new pens aren't their like real names?

[velvet wing]

i'm sorry but i can't really understand what you're trying to say rn

[rain otter]

Im saying the time it feels werid

[velvet wing]

wut

[rain otter]

Is when people say real name when talking about Mothers Olds name as her real name.

Does that make sense?

[thick jolt]

People see gomaitru
People say "thats not her real name!"
Shadey feels weirded

[velvet wing]

Gomaitru is wat she is labeled in the necralisk, that is her CURRENT real name

[rain otter]

What Delta said.

[velvet wing]

if you approach her a small banner appears saying GOMAITRU

[rain otter]

Yeah she is Gomaitru.

[velvet wing]

so no one is even using an old name they used to go by, they're just using the name they are actively currently using

[rain otter]

We agree I just feel like you don't fully understand.

[velvet wing]

I don't see what there is to fully understand

[rain otter]

Okay.

[thick jolt]

Well i see your point shadey

[rain otter]

Yee

[velvet wing]

simply because people use the term "real name" ?

[rain otter]

When people use that term for her pre Orokin fall name it makes me feel werid.

[velvet wing]

it isn't her "pre orokin fall" name

[rain otter]

Gomitur is not.

[velvet wing]

they are currently actively using the name

[rain otter]

But we do see what her old name was.

[rain otter]

I feel like you aren't reading my words.

[velvet wing]

I'm reading your words

[thick jolt]

Yeaaaaaah doesnt feel like it

[rain otter]

Gomitru is not the name I am talking about.

[velvet wing]

Then you aren't being clear

[rain otter]

We a few times have seen mothers old name in the new war and on the duviri book

People have said "oh we know her real name it's Euleria" and that feels werid to me cuz she is called Gomitru now.

[velvet wing]

So this whole time you've been talking about the name Euleria and despite the fact that I've repeatedly said Gomaitru you just didn't say Euleria?

lol wow

[rain otter]

This is what I mean.

[velvet wing]

brooo

[rain otter]

I also said I didn't mean Gomaitru

[velvet wing]

this is not how clear conversation works

[rain otter]

Many times.

[thick jolt]

It has been plenty clear

[velvet wing]

obviously not

This situation wouldn't have happened if it was "plenty clear"

[rain otter]

Anyway i hope you now understand what I meant.

[velvet wing]

that makes much more sense, idk you didn't just say no not Gomaitru but Euleria like i was making it very obvious that that was what I was talking about and even listing examples like dawg for real

[rain otter]

Okay.

[thick jolt]

I mean there is only one "old name" we know of

[velvet wing]

I mean she's almost like an entirely different person so idk if her pre-infested name even makes sense to use when saying "her real name"

[rain otter]

I know.

[nova harness]

Since they were all called different names you get in a family like Son Daughter does this mean they all gave up their names

[rain otter]

Or lost them.

They all get given new names except grandma.

I wouldn't be surprised if Grandma at some point does get a new name.

[thick jolt]

I think theres a grandma line that implies they forgot

[rain otter]

Yea.

[prime lantern]

I mean I kinda would

Her whole ordeal is she's content and knows herself without a name

And thus her name is grandmother

After all names have power

Why burden yourself with the power others could have over you if you had a name

[rain otter]

Fair.

[kind swallow]

When does the under area of Deimos release?

Or is that part of 1999 😦

[nova harness]

Winter 2023 and 1999 is sometime in 2024

[kind swallow]

Phew ok. I thought it was with Dagath so I’m a little sad I can’t play spooky content with a new spooky frame

[high cosmos]

How good is a 444 amp?

[real niche]

mediocre, the prism isn't that good.

[high cosmos]

Ah, any advice on what the best amp is?

[rain otter]

A 144 could be fine