spoiler-chat

[balmy badger]

Keep playing and you'll find out.

[odd arrow]

nooooo i just interior designed my orbiter now it's all fcked up 😭

and where tf is umbra and my kubrow?

[dreamy saffron]

Keep playing, and you'll understand

[woeful jacinth]

He stole your dog and took all your stuff

[odd arrow]

noooo not doggo 😩

[bitter oasis]

I'm criticizing your takes because it's an intentionally convoluted story @stable jacinth that does a poor set up job of certain characters

[stable jacinth]

Because?
"It is like this because: trust me" isn't a take.

You've said x/y/z things but haven't substantiated any of it.

[bitter oasis]

What about erra? What does he get out of all of it? He had to be in on the deception, but his motivations are to kill the Orokin and set up his own people

[bitter oasis]

Because you haven't really given me time

[stable jacinth]

Had a few opportunities, but anyway - no, Erra isn't "in on it" Ballas was in control from the get go.

[bitter oasis]

And you're just shouting "source source, why"

[stable jacinth]

Bro only person getting aggro is you 😂 Aight washing my hands of this. GL

[bitter oasis]

I'm at work, so I don't have as much time as you

[stable jacinth]

K, lol.

[bitter oasis]

Erra is holding the leash. He has to be in on the deception because he drops it at the right moment

What does erra gain from pretending ballas is in chains?

What does erra gain from putting ballas in charge?

[stable jacinth]

#spoiler-chat message

[bitter oasis]

How did he get to be in charge though?

He just has magic "do what I say" power over someone who wants him dead?

[stable jacinth]

#gameplay-discussion message

[stable jacinth]

Also, quite literally, yes, this.

[bitter oasis]

Ah, so it's poorly written

[stable jacinth]

You did in fact play TNW, yes?

[bitter oasis]

Thank you

[stable jacinth]

"So I was right all along" ok cool 🤡 😂

Bye.

[bitter oasis]

His "do what I say" power is tied to the masks, where is erra's mask?

[stable jacinth]

Incorrect again.

I'm not interested dude you have lost the plot but keep running w/ it and I don't have the time for it.

[bitter oasis]

You got a source on that?

[stable jacinth]

Masks aren't the only control. They literally show one other method he uses in TNW.

Stop pinging me 🙂

Conversation over.

[wicked iron]

Erra saw Ballas as a way for the Sentients to be in charge. He was working with Ballas willingly.

At least, that's what I got out of conversations that happened during The New War.

[stable jacinth]

Whether his sentient will was tainted or he was cognitively deceived is up for grabs, IMO, but yes that's the pretense presented.

[bitter oasis]

For once I agree with you, but at the same time, what was erra's end goal with it? He had to kill ballas at some point to achieve it, so why the crown, why narmer?

[wicked iron]

Sentient supremacy was what Erra wanted, ultimately. He says as much in TNW.

[bitter oasis]

And he gave it up for no reason whatsoever

That's poor writing

[stable jacinth]

Can't assume all of his intent is his own, even - source: the magic stick at the end.

[wicked iron]

He didn't care to kill Ballas, because he seemed to genuinely think they were on the same side. Ballas is the ultimate deceiver to non-Tenno, and we only know better because we've put up with his shenanigans for so long.

[stable jacinth]

Not understanding the nuance does't mean it's poor writing 🤡

[bitter oasis]

Erra is from the old war though, and is well aware of ballas's manipulation

[stable jacinth]

Sentient individuality and free will is knowingly and openly breakable.

They are no island to the Orokin as Tenno are.

[wicked iron]

He wasn't aware of the extent of it, at least against the Sentients. Even Hunhow wasn't aware of the the level of duplicity Ballas had, initially.

[stable jacinth]

This is very explicit.

[wicked iron]

But also, the Narmer staff that Ballas used at the end of the quest did force her to do things, but it didn't change what how she actually felt and thought.

[bitter oasis]

Ballas turned his sister against him, and got him shot. He should be perfectly aware of what ballas can do

[wicked iron]

Which is why, even while she's controlled, she begs Ballas to spare us.

So I don't personally think Erra was controlled by it, but I can understand why someone would think it.

[bitter oasis]

Because he is a direct victim of what ballas does

[stable jacinth]

It's not ego erasure, it's control.

Veil comes off, the person is said person again - minus conditioning inflicted over time.

Control doesn't have to mean suddenly that consciousness is abolished. Was never implied anywhere and is a pretty huge logical leap.

Also see: When Ballas took spacemom in front of us.

If sentients were initially created and codified it's a pretty fair assumption they have contigencies in place - like any good programming language.

[bitter oasis]

So in short what my point is, is that erra is well aware of how ballas operates, and just willingly gives him control of the entire origin system. It's not that erra had his will subverted because he does reject ballas and betray him with us, so it's his own choice to put ballas on a throne

[stable jacinth]

They're selfish, duplicitous narcissists - not idiots.

[bitter oasis]

That's true, and directly stated

[bitter oasis]

Erra, who's goal is to kill Orokin, put the one guy known for being a lying bastard in charge

[wicked iron]

That was my understanding as well, personally. As long as folks don't fight over it and keep conversations friendly, I certainly see no issue with different opinions on it. 🙂

[stable jacinth]

I do not presume at any point Ballas hasn't juiced Erra's brain to some degree.

It is known to be a functional possibility and assuming that he hasn't is backwards.

[bitter oasis]

Except erra turns on ballas implying he has had free will this whole time

[stable jacinth]

Natah "turned on" Ballas too.

[wicked iron]

Not until after she was discarded by him and then restored by us, in fairness.

[bitter oasis]

And erra just decided to turn after a quick pep talk from papa hunhow

[stable jacinth]

Yes - what I'm saying is you have to consider what Ballas' endgame intent is first and foremost.

Getting stabbed or "betrayed" by Erra doesn't mean that he wasn't planning it, necessarily.

[bitter oasis]

But it's the motivations of erra I'm calling into question

[wicked iron]

Well, I am certain he wasn't planning that. He's great at manipulation, but I am positive he did not intend to get stabbed by Umbra, for example.

[stable jacinth]

If I assume Erra's will is pure, and also, that he knows full well Ballas is a deceiver - those are cognitively conflicting items.

[wicked iron]

But just because I'm certain he didn't plan for Erra to betray him, or Umbra to stab him, doesn't mean someone else can't be certain of the opposite.

[bitter oasis]

Except that's exactly what DE set up in the story

[stable jacinth]

You either know he's twofaced and refuse him, or you are under some kind of thrall and accept.

[bitter oasis]

But he's not enthralled, because he does turn against ballas with only words

[stable jacinth]

A person of sound mind does not willingly get in bed with a viper.

[bitter oasis]

So why did erra do it? He was aware, and not enthralled

[stable jacinth]

There has to be: A reason they defy that intution, or implied control from the start.

Like I said; I do not assume he wasn't tainted and we have no such proof otherwise.

[wicked iron]

Ballas likely lied about it being a "joint venture to control the system" kind of deal, is my thought on it.

[stable jacinth]

Ballas in chains smelled like an act that he has Erra put on with him.

[bitter oasis]

Without us diving into his mind to break the enthrallment, he turned against ballas. He was persuaded by our words

This is counter to enthrallment

[wicked iron]

I didn't really see anything to imply that Erra knew anything other than that Ballas wanted the Orokin and the Tenno gone from the Old War.

[bitter oasis]

That's what I said earlier and you dismissed it out of hand

[stable jacinth]

No, I presented that. 🤨 You simply said that you didn't think Erra was under any kind of coercion - which, again, we have no proof of.

That they didn't explicitly show signs of doesn't mean anything - you cannot prove a negative.

[bitter oasis]

Do not try to gaslight me

[stable jacinth]

Check the chat log, then.

[bitter oasis]

I am

[stable jacinth]

I'll do you one better - link where I said it first.

[wispy jasper]

Since we’re on the subject, was there ever any resolution to the Lotus talking about Erra being completely destroyed by the Tenno and him denying it? That was brought up like it was something important

[stable jacinth]

#gameplay-discussion message

[bitter oasis]

Gaslight, gatekeep, and girl boss on. When I presented the idea that erra had to be working with ballas at that point you said I was wrong

[stable jacinth]

Show me the quote that support this then. 🤡

Scene has him acting and clearly so.

[bitter oasis]

I literally already did

[stable jacinth]

🤨 yeah ok

[wicked iron]

Okay, I think it's time for a new subject now.

[stable jacinth]

Agreed.

[wicked iron]

I don't recall, for this.

I think we did see Kuva within Erra during the invasion that looked like the Void Mirror we saw in Fortuna, though, so my guess is he was revived with Kuva?

[bitter oasis]

He's a robot at heart. He was rebuilt

[torpid lantern]

No.. I think it was either retconned or at some point will be used to tie in with Pazuul

[stable jacinth]

We don't have enough to substantiate much about that bit.

[wispy jasper]

Hm. It’s been a point of constant confusion for me whenever I come across it, but I don’t really trust my own memory

[stable jacinth]

"Eternalism" comes to mind.
Foreshadowing, if I had to guess.

[torpid lantern]

It was definitely emphasized like a key bit of info so I'm leaning on it being relevant at some point with Pazuul

[bitter oasis]

If DE doesn't forget and just change it

[wispy jasper]

I still feel like the Pazuul thing was only half introduced and I’m working with half of a conversation which the character themselves seem to know more about

[stable jacinth]

As the story stands now there's not enough information to infer anything at present about the Erra being destroyed bit and the memory schism so it falls to reason it's a future tense bit coming.

Anyhow, yeah, I expect we'll see more re: Erra quandary later.

[bitter oasis]

Doubtful. Archon hunts and their content seems to be on the back burner

They got bigger fish to fry rightnow

Maybe when they get nightwave going again, if ever

[limpid socket]

Spoiler

Pazuul isn't a real goat

[wicked iron]

[simple moss]

Lies. We now fight against Space Goat in the intergalactic Farmyard Wars.

[torpid lantern]

Maybe something was mentioned in the PC gamer mag? I don't have it but I know it was suppose to talk about future content

[robust summit]

Local Space Uncle has evolved from bird to goat. More news next time on Totally Accurate Lore.

[stable jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-goat-lick-tongue-out-gif-5193394

"TF you say to me?!"

[limpid socket]

Lol

[odd arrow]

ughhh why is Wolf fight so hard? it would be so much easier with a frame

[simple moss]

He's just very tanky. Use your jetpack and don't just slam the go up button until you're out of fuel.

[odd arrow]

i dont have a jetpack

[simple moss]

With Kahl?

[odd arrow]

i mean with drifter

[simple moss]

OH. Most people refer to Wolf of Saturn Six as the Wolf. lol

[odd arrow]

Amar*

thats his name

[simple moss]

That fight genuinely sucks. You just need to keep moving.

[still flame]

If you wanna one shot the wolf

Do a void defense. Use the lasers

[odd arrow]

bro hits like a truck

[still flame]

Instantly murks him fr

[simple moss]

Amarr does that.

[odd arrow]

ive already died 5 times

[zenith jacinth]

Do not go too far away from him

[obtuse gyro]

iirc your smoke bomb should be able to tell which is the real amar

[dreamy saffron]

Also, he's the only one with a weapon. His clones are unarmed

[zenith jacinth]

No, the scan does

[stable jacinth]

@pseudo heath What thing(s) were you wondering about for TNW?

I gotta go AFK a few but I'll try to answer hwen I get back.

[bright kettle]

when duviri

😭 😭

[stable jacinth]

Soon™️

[dry magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-23395435

[outer frost]

Any News of a comming release

[wispy jasper]

I have the breaking news that we should hear about is sometime in April

[frail nymph]

Just gotta dodge the direct attacks and use your 1 to stop the burning from the AoE

[odd arrow]

ooo cool, didn't notice you could fight the archons in any order

WHY ARE THEY ALL HARD?

[woeful jacinth]

We got like 4 wolves
Umbra
Voruna
Saturn six
Amar

[odd arrow]

lol

[velvet wing]

I think we’ll likely get the update April 24-26th if we are getting it this month

[flat shadow]

We'll have to wait and see.

I'm calling in "Sick" the day of release. Maybe the day after if it's later in the day

[odd arrow]

lol

easiest archon?

[velvet wing]

Well I don’t think they’re dropping it this week, and I think next week is a little too short notice so if it’s gonna be April I think it would be the last week and probably earlier in the week which is why I guess those dates, that way they have time to hotfix

[odd arrow]

Amar and Nira are so hard to beat

[flat shadow]

They're easier after TNW.

[kindred briar]

*with a cheese shotgun

[flat shadow]

But that said, I'd probably do amarr first or second.

[flat shadow]

I never use shotguns

[odd arrow]

i tried Amar yesterday, but he kept kicking my butt, i tried Nira today and she also kept kicking my butt

[zenith jacinth]

Amar and nira are the easier two imo

[kindred briar]

^^

[odd arrow]

how tho?

i suck at em

[kindred briar]

Amar's attacks can be dodge-rolled easily, and your enemy tracking ability shows you which is the real one when he summons his shadow clones

[odd arrow]

ah

[zenith jacinth]

Don't go too far away from amar, his jump attack is deadly

[flat shadow]

When did drifter get enemy tracking?

[kindred briar]

the radar ability

[odd arrow]

plz DE, i just wanna get past TNW and back to the regular game 😭

[woeful jacinth]

Git gud

[zenith jacinth]

Practice, get perfect shots with nataruk, and follow the advice hunhow gave you

[odd arrow]

istg imma rage quit soon enough

[flat shadow]

Or just do what I did and keep doing it until your hands do the work without checking with your brain first.

[woeful jacinth]

Who are you fighting btw?

[odd arrow]

Amar, Nira, and Boreal

[zenith jacinth]

Which one specifically

[odd arrow]

i tried all three but i kept dying

think imma try amar again

[zenith jacinth]

Adding: don't stop moving

[woeful jacinth]

I went with nira and boreal as the two I went up against.
With nira I just kept my distance the entire time against her.
Weirdly enough I just stayed close to boreal whenever he did his scream

[odd arrow]

it would be so much nicer if someone could log into my account and do it for me lol

[timid gust]

Hello, tell me how the shares of Digital Extremes are called. I can't find them, but my chain of events led me to "Leyou Technologies Holdings Ltd", please tell me the exact information

[odd arrow]

uhhhhhh

[flat shadow]

What exactly are you looking for?

[odd arrow]

this looks like a scammer

[timid gust]

I'm trying to figure out what the name of the DE shares is

[odd arrow]

seems like a troll

[timid gust]

Does DE have its own personal shares or does everything go to the owners of DE (ltd)

[timid gust]

keep thinking like this

[loud kayak]

Happily.

[flat shadow]

For what purpose?

[whole blaze]

i don't think this is the place to be tallking about company shares

[timid gust]

Purchase

[timid gust]

well, where else? I didn't find the game on the forums

[flat shadow]

You want to buy Digital Extremes? You'd have to contact them directly. #support-and-bugs is the only publicly available contact information

[timid gust]

I write here once every couple of years, I think you can make such an indulgence

[timid gust]

ok 😘

[whole blaze]

???

[timid gust]

De shares, but not the company, lol

[whole blaze]

im pretty sure Digital extremes is owned by TENCENT anyway

[flat shadow]

Same applies. Though DE is not a publicly held company, so you can't find 'shares' like on the stock market.

[timid gust]

All I could find related to de is their owners. Thanks for the help

[loud kayak]

He wants his account back by any means necessary

[whole blaze]

fr

[flat shadow]

This is not the appropriate place to discuss in game moderation or bans

[whole blaze]

aight

[frail nymph]

I did that for New War lol

[whole blaze]

thats if Duviri releases this month

[frail nymph]

... Which is the normal option to consider when talking about such things

[flat shadow]

Still three weeks in the month.

[whole blaze]

the trailer still hasn't dropped yet, so im sort of losing hope

[loud kayak]

They probably want a precise release date on the trailer so they won't release it before that's on lock + idk about Canada but at least here the last 4 days were a public holiday

[frail nymph]

Warframe game Devs don't make the trailer.
So at latest, Duviri release itself will be delayed to the release date of the trailer, no later.

DE is not a VFX house so schedules can't be compared

[whole blaze]

i guess so. i hope its like veilbreaker where the trailer and update drop on the same day

[fleet veldt]

Betting Duviri's release being 2nd of May at earliest just to keep the hype wagon from going too fast.

[thin fjord]

Hello I have question

Can I change my operator gender after I finished the second dream quest

[whole blaze]

yes

[thin fjord]

Ok we good, accidentally pressed esc

I'm not gona lie this character creation is really bad

[whole blaze]

its not called operatorframe you know

[odd arrow]

lol

[frail nymph]

You can change everything...

Fixing the physical appearance to male or female depends on which primary face you choose. Also voice is entirely separate.

[dry magnet]

But compared from new games this days is much better then some games that only have head skin and hair selection. In here at least you can combine them

But first time when i get to unlock the operator It whose late night and I didn’t realize we have male option. I whose sure we can only play with female 😅

[zenith jacinth]

(Secondary face selection gets limited to the primary face's gender)

[zenith jacinth]

Eh, better than skyrim's imo

Or dark souls

[dry magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-wth-wtf-really-meme-gif-17151805

[zenith jacinth]

Skyrim character creator is very limited. Then again, it's almost 13 years old, so I can't expect too much from it

[frail nymph]

oh

[thin fjord]

Yeah I suppose it's not the worst, I got really spoiled by some of jrpg character creation that's probably why

[odd arrow]

https://youtu.be/kljPHUI5xwM how do people make it look so easy?

[frail nymph]

Because it is...? That person is making multiple mistakes that would speed it up more, even

[dry magnet]

first time its hard for some,but if you play it again its just become super easy

[robust summit]

It’s hard until you figure out the patterns. Then it’s much simpler.

[sturdy cedar]

bro they should add more sections where you play without your warframe/ as other ppl, i thought that was lit ngl, ik duruvi paradox is a drifter quest but still

i thought it was a nice pace change

you guys think drifter will get other weapons besides his pistol and those two swords? (i forgor the names 💀)

[balmy badger]

Quite a few actually.

[robust summit]

Yeah. They showed a few off.

[sturdy cedar]

dang im mad behind

[robust summit]

All I can remember off the top of my head is a hammer type thing.

I think they also get the throwing disk thing Teshin used in New War.

[zenith jacinth]

There were variations of most melee weapon types

[odd arrow]

im literary gonna quit this game god damn

[sturdy cedar]

i thought they were gonna get more guns?

[orchid remnant]

shweet

[zenith jacinth]

No info on guns iirc, only melees

[odd arrow]

the archons are so goddamn annoying

i got Amarr like to quarter health before he killed me

[zenith jacinth]

Even more advice: rolling reduces damage taken

[frail nymph]

How exactly are you taking damage? Which attack type? Is the DoT the problem or the initial impact?

[odd arrow]

mostly when he jumps at me

and fire damage

[sturdy cedar]

i forgot what are the arcons? are they those animal things you have to fight as drifter?

[robust summit]

Yeah.

[odd arrow]

yea

[frail nymph]

Roll sideways then immediately use 1. And never use 1 unless you're on fire

[sturdy cedar]

i hated those things

[zenith jacinth]

I said this a few times, do not go too far away from him

[odd arrow]

i wish the heal cooldown was faster

[zenith jacinth]

Distance triggers the jump attack

[odd arrow]

ah

[frail nymph]

And if you only roll sideways instead of front/back, you won't increase/decrease distance unexpectedly, so things will be more predictable

[zenith jacinth]

Tnw archons turn the game into fast dark souls

[frail nymph]

More like fast ranged-weapon-cheese mode in God Of War but yeah

[odd arrow]

lol true

[zenith jacinth]

(Adding: this is not meant to be hostile, I'm generally bad with wording)

[last briar]

True they are so hard I couldn’t even properly damage the archon ._.

[odd arrow]

nira was a bit easier when i fought her, but the toxin damage sucks

[zenith jacinth]

When she's about to scream, get behind something

At least I think it was a scream

[odd arrow]

the archons are so weird looking, warframe bodies with animal like heads

[last briar]

But in the new war quest they were alright tbh

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, it looks strange

[robust summit]

That’s kinda the point. They’re meant to be just so twisted and just plain wrong.

[odd arrow]

okay got to nira's second phase

jeez, this bow is strong against week enemies

[robust summit]

Yeah. The bow is fun.

Enjoy yourself!

[stable jacinth]

TOP right :

[odd arrow]

GOT HER

[stable jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/sand-dunes-the-mummy-airplane-desert-sand-gif-17646556

[dry magnet]

Hah good 1

[odd arrow]

does the operator/drifter age between when they die and when the come back? seems the the voice acting is different

boreal second stage

[real niche]

Keep playing

[odd arrow]

i didn't die at all during first stage

im getting a bit better, prob bcuz i upped mouse sensitivity and changed my roll button

[odd arrow]

boreal dead

ballas's headpiece is so satifying to look at, i love the tassle bits flapping around

i love that both versions of me (operator and difter) are interacting with each other, i love how good their animations and voice acting are, even f they do have the same voice

[last briar]

The difference between operator falcon voice and drifter is insane tho😭

[odd arrow]

i chose raven, that voice is really pretty

[last briar]

Oo great choice i did falcon for my operator and raven for my drifter

[odd arrow]

i might change operator voice tho to sound younger, so the lore that drifter is older makes more sense lol

[supple dagger]

That top left image looks like it could be Dominus’s throne room

It also has that weird light spewing out from the top

[steady gate]

I just made my Operator and Drifter two different people

[zenith jacinth]

My drifter looks like my op but without void coloring

Drifter has owl I think, op has... the other male voice, can't remember the name

[odd arrow]

OMG FREE STUFF

[steady gate]

Yep!

Nataruk is still a strong bow, Sirocco is better than having zero amp.

[zenith jacinth]

Rumblejack

[steady gate]

It exists

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah

[wild wind]

Rumblejack apparently does silly things in AoE if you go gas+elec but that's a function of gas+elec

[robust summit]

Not sure if it’s been changed, but last time I checked it has some wacky damage numbers for stealth attacks. But I could be mistaken…

Let me check actually.

Alright. It’s got a 40% status chance at base, apparently gives a move speed boost when held, and has a unique stealth attack animation that inflicts a guaranteed electric proc before the finisher damage is calculated.

Not bad… if you ignore the incredibly slow attack speed.

[zenith jacinth]

Then there's innodem. It's unfair to compare other daggers to innodem

[robust summit]

Yeah…

[balmy storm]

Good if you don’t have Innodem yet

[limpid socket]

The duviri dax design can be found on lua as a void ghost
Probably another precursor to the paradox happening

Like with the man in the wall showing up 43 times this month

[dry magnet]

Yeah maybe

[supple marsh]

How stronk?

[steady gate]

Very. Probably strongest

[supple marsh]

Ah cewl stronkest bow or stronkest weap( ik this isn't the newbie chat )

[obtuse gyro]

there are many contenders for stronkest weap, but nataruk is one of, if not the stronkest bow

infinite body punch through, infinite ammo, mechanic for boosting CC so on and so forth

[dry magnet]

I got some news for you and it is that there is no news for now. And that is bad because we are always for the massive updates getting week early something about the update every day until next week that update is on. So if we don’t get that tomorrow then there is a lower chance we will get duviri next week. So probably we can hope to get the update at the end of month if all this doesn’t happened…

[twilit geode]

Vladaking91, seriously. Just wait dude, this is not the first time we’ve had to wait on an update, and it will not be the last. The quote by Shigeru Miyamoto about games is equally-applicable to content updates for games such as Warframe. ”A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad.".
Bellyaching about it in chat here is not going to magically make the update come faster. And if it did, I would like to remind you of the state of Railjack on launch and how much that update would have benefited from a delay, or even two. Duviri does not need to be a repeat of that, and it is introducing many new systems. I say let them iron out more issues before we get it so that it is a more pleasant first impression.

[graceful zodiac]

Christ man, this is only the second week of April

[orchid remnant]

No vladaking, don't listen to the rest of them. You are right, Duviri will never come out... we should probably just give up now... it will probably come out next year... 😿

[loud kayak]

DE is canceling deavelopment any minute now

[obtuse gyro]

DE is dissolving any minute now

[dry magnet]

Yea i know right 😅

Star wars jedi survive and dead island 2 here we go. And bye bye duviri

[loud kayak]

Have fun with those then, I guess. It's not like Duviri will magically disappear if you don't play it the moment it launches.

[dry magnet]

We all know we will play duviri no matter what game comes out

But how much we will play it that’s the question

[orchid remnant]

no he's right. star wars jedu survivor kills duviri, kind of like how erra killed teshin etc

[dry magnet]

Yea good comparison

And tnx again for backing me out

[loud kayak]

I mean for some people sure, but for me the first game was a miserable enough experience for me not to consider playing the sequel

[dry magnet]

Just go and watch last trailer that whose come out yesterday I think

It will change your mind

Trust me

And also they didn add amazing character costumasation

[orchid remnant]

he's right... it's over for duviri warframebros...

[dry magnet]

Everything you wish for a star wars game this new upcoming have 99% of all that

[loud kayak]

Might check it out then if I bother finishing the first one

[obtuse gyro]

its oooover, warframe is doomed because of another game oh nooo

[novel hazel]

Stop being pessimists. The community and content creators were shouting at de that duviri needed more work so it might get delayed. But it will release.

[obtuse gyro]

it got delayed because DE felt like it needed more work, not the community

the community nor content creators have 0 clue about the state of duviri, DE does. They know if it needs more time or not

[dry magnet]

You know you don’t have to be scientist to know all that. Its just if bigger new games comes out on same day then its bad for warframe. Because new vill always be more representative then just some dlc on a old game. Only old players like as will respect warframe update

New players will not be that much interested

[stark falcon]

What mechanic for boosting cc

[stark falcon]

It would not matter, Warframe is popular. Releasing on same days as other games for a paid game releasing for the first time would be problematic

Simply put, they do not care

[obtuse gyro]

ok so for nataruk not fully charging the bow doesnt make the arrow a wet noodle, but it is somewhat weaker (as per normal bows). Also just like normal bows, fully charging makes it hit harder, but for nataruk, releasing the bow when the charge is in a specific section of the bar fires a perfect charge instead of full charge

Full charge: 50% CC 2.2 CD
Perfect charge: 60% CC 2.4 CD

for example

[stark falcon]

Wait what does cc mean

Ohhh critical chance

[obtuse gyro]

crit chance

[stark falcon]

Thought you meant crowd control

[stark falcon]

Yeah I got so much crit chance, I'm using a mod which lowers firerate and another mod which increases it for my build

[obtuse gyro]

so while you can absolutely ignore the increase in the boosted crit stats, it does provide an avenue to boost it hard

[stark falcon]

Is it worth to perfect charge

Does it make a lot of difference in damage in practice?

[obtuse gyro]

in practice? nah nataruk is strong enough for it to not really matter

[stark falcon]

Oh ok

[obtuse gyro]

but if youre using crit delay, its 180% crit chance vs 150% crit chance

[stark falcon]

I'm using the crit build, corrosive and heat and serration. Any suggestions on how I can increase damage

I need more damage for SP as it's my best weapon

[obtuse gyro]

head to #builds-discussion but are you using ninjase's build?

[stark falcon]

No I made it by myself

[frail nymph]

Actually they were all joking and it kinda went over Vlad's head

[balmy storm]

Nah, Warframe’s 100% gonna die because other video games exist

[minor goblet]

It may not be "the most popular" game out there but its been running for 10 years with ups and downs

[tall abyss]

In my opinion it’s doing better than destiny is currently

[dry magnet]

Are you really blind by the idea of the Warframe only existing game? Gaming world is not circulating just on this game because you all are hooked on this game like is some type a drug.its more about bigger picture about something new even if its a tetris game. When players showing this it will be more about this new games then something this old. Only old players will come back to play but not all. Its not because is good or bad it’s because some players are limited mind knowing what warframe is before and they don’t care if this game is getting new skin or new map they have idea what this game is about and there is not much we can do unless there is not much they can play and for pure boredom they decided to try it on again. But if there is big new games that we waited for so many years finally comes on same day or week after that. They will not think twice about anything else. And thats the fact

[twilit geode]

???

[orchid remnant]

facts... you;re the only person here I can trust vlad...

[dry magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-thank-you-so-much-keanu-reeves-gif-21952233

[loud kayak]

We've been watching a man go insane in real-time

[dry magnet]

Hah good 1, but my point is if they are going to delay its better to be next mont on a week with no some big upcoming games. Because they are deserved to be noticed after all this cool and massive update.

It would have bigger impact

[loud kayak]

Oh yeah I get that, sorry was just a bit hard to understand your point earlier from the massive wall of text

[graceful zodiac]

All that is meaningless though. DE is going to release Duviri when it's ready, they don't care about what other things might be coming out similar

[zenith jacinth]

I thought he might've found some nitain or something, but now I understand

[dry magnet]

Its all about more players to play when is out

[graceful zodiac]

And they're going to get what they get. DE isn't affected by Day 1 metric like that

You're rambling about a completely non-existent issue

[dry magnet]

We will see

It’s easy to say this when in the past this whose never a thing like it is for this month

I hope that im wrong

Im just realistic

[obtuse gyro]

gotta be the only realistic man here

so realistic mans managed to create a monolith of gamers, the gamer instrumentality project

[dry magnet]

Im not talking about myself im talking about my friends how they react and other players,combined 2 and 2 together even blind person will see the result

Let me ask you,if you for example you dont play fortnite that is also ultra popular. Would you care if that game is getting new skins new maps and what not or would you be interested in something totally new game that you are waiting for so many years?

But they all are coming on that same week…

[stark falcon]

Ah how did we get to evangelion

[obtuse gyro]

shinji get in the damn warframe

[stark falcon]

Tenno get in the damn necramech

[obtuse gyro]

If I don't play fortnite I wouldnt care, but you've already moved past your own target audience, people who already play warframe, and are excited and waiting for duviri to drop

[stark falcon]

Yeah most players are expected to be Warframe players

[obtuse gyro]

surprise surprise, some people dont like the style of games that is Jedi:FO and Jedi:Survivor, and there are people who dont care about star wars either

[stark falcon]

I literally learned of Warframe because it was free

[obtuse gyro]

you cannot guarantee past your own imaginations how duviri's release would be impacted by Jedi survivor's release for existing commited warframe players. Of course the uninitiated would gravitate towards Jedi because its a major game, but we arent just looking at the non-tenno

[stark falcon]

Yeah most of the profit is expected from experienced players. Early game gives you no reason to pay for anything

And people who've spent a lot of time will play duviri

Assuming it has extra content for main game duviri will be played either way, same way as steel path, arbi or the new war is played

[obtuse gyro]

if there even is profit to be expected, whales exist but giving how quick tenno are to optimize farming you can expect players to figure out the fastest free way to get rewards they want

[dreamy saffron]

I play Warframe, Fortnite and a variety of paid games, and I'm always excited when something I already play and own gets new free content, definitely more excited than another repetitive game in a franchise being released. Also, normal people don't no-life a single game, and split their time between a variety of titles to avoid burnout.

[obtuse gyro]

or be like me maximise burnout by playing two of the most grindy live service games out there

[stark falcon]

I min maxed burn out but at what cost

[obtuse gyro]

our souls duh

[dreamy saffron]

Hot tip! Don't- don't do that to yourself

[obtuse gyro]

You think me to drown in the Deep? Nay,

I rise.

[stark falcon]

I know this one dude on Xbox that gave away to a girl like thousands of plat every week (simp moment) getting it just trading. I can assume people buy a lot of plat

[obtuse gyro]

that would be the whales

technically if you total up my total spending on warframe over the few years I've played the game... I'd be a whale too, I small one but a whale nonetheless

dont foresee myself shelling out dough for duviri tho

[stark falcon]

I've spent nothing

I had the most 110 plat and that was yesterday

[obtuse gyro]

you see the cosmetics are enticing

[stark falcon]

I spend my little plat on gameplay stuff

Like I bought prebuilt necramech for the new war

You can buy necramech parts that are crafted so I got a necramech for 60 plat

Instead of 375

[obtuse gyro]

tfw I bought bonewidow and then farmed out voidrig

I could have just farmed voidrig

pain

[stark falcon]

You can literally buy them for cheap plat

Wait for baro and sell junk to get voidrig

[dry magnet]

Im not talking about us who want a duviri but for new upcoming players and even some of the old… the entire point is for update to come on good week with no other good games in offer so that other players can bee more interesting in this cool update

[stark falcon]

It is not?

The entire point is something new for players to do

Because the game has gone a little dry

And guess what it's exactly that

[dry magnet]

Hardcore players who spend 4000h is coming back to even when we offerd free forma and bunny’s ears. We will all come back 100% for shore when is massive update like this.

But with this update is also pointe for new players to be interested in this like we are

[frail nymph]

Not to mention Duviri is commensurate with a new game release of a good AAA title paid game. Especially because it's long-term content that new players can play straight away.

So even when hyper focusing on that, not only will Duviri be better than any "fully free to play game" that gets released, it will be comparable to any AAA title that doesn't have an insane advertisement budget or something.

And even when strictly talking about competition, releasing on any day this month is no different at all from releasing on any day next month.

Finally, when it comes to "complaining" that Duviri is not released yet, that's just a childish perspective. Some things just cannot be sped up by any amount of money or large numbers of Devs being thrown at the problem. And some things require unrealistic budgets to speed up, or risky drops in quality standards to speed up.

[stark falcon]

The only thing I can think of is Titanfall 2 dropping between battlefield and cod. And it still had a decent playing despite being a new played game. I doubt duviri will do any worse

[topaz badge]

[bright kettle]

what if man in the wall is duviri lotus ?

[obtuse gyro]

bold are we today

[graceful zodiac]

It's really not, no. No more than any other update, and DE has still never cared about the releases dates of other games before

[loud kayak]

Let him cook

[bright kettle]

what if dominus is duviri darvo?

or the almighty clem with his power unleashed

[frail nymph]

Did you mean to say release dates of other games?

[topaz badge]

[tight lion]

in paradox, the warframes used will be with our build?

[frail nymph]

If you get one of the Warframes that you have through RnG, yes.

Otherwise you will be given free temporary mods based on the difficulty level.

[topaz badge]

[frail nymph]

?

[tight lion]

ty

[supple dagger]

Is this the place where you can say the d word?

DRIFTER!

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri

[twin obsidian]

Drifter. Duviri

Few other d words

[supple dagger]

Damn. Feels like we're spilling slurs with all these spoilers lol.

[zenith jacinth]

Dominuuuuus

[tight lion]

https://tenor.com/view/adventuretime-worm-gif-5199636

Orowyrm

[frail nymph]

Oull Ris Xata Vome Khra Lohk

(Which I still think sounds a vaguely like "Your Power is Fast asleep" when the audio is reversed. At least when said the way Wally said it)

[tight lion]

I think the same

[frail nymph]

Wait really? You're the first person I know

[tight lion]

yep, I swear

this month is the biggest in 4 years ;-;

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-anxious-anxiety-afraid-scared-gif-7518135

[frail nymph]

Can you pls check #lore-discussion

[scarlet basalt]

man, the melancholy from the ost are really interesting. Like it's not really something you would hear on a synopsis like : "an unknown villain keep me alive to suffer for his entertainment"

[steep delta]

this is just absolutely one of the worst possible design decisions by DE ever lmao

resource drop chance booster from archon hunt 🤮

[velvet wing]

They’re just SP sortie rewards calm down

[steep delta]

our point was it's kind of a lousy reward for that high-level type of content

much rather have an ayatan sculpture because lacking endo.

[zenith jacinth]

Do rj missions

[frail nymph]

It's not a high level content reward, it's literally a non-lucyk drop in a side-reward-pool

The Archon Shard is the high level content reward

[real zodiac]

You guys think the drifter melee weapons in duviri will be accessible to warframes?

[thick jolt]

pretty sure they have said yes to that

[pseudo sable]

they have yeah

I'm hoping that goes both ways and Drifters are eventually able to use warframe weapons but we'll see

[gritty pike]

I know the drifter melee is gonna be classified by type more or less rather than name. That's at least what I saw in the preview

So it may become a thing as the drifter is set to choose from almost all melee types

[pseudo sable]

Not even close, they get 5/26 types

[gritty pike]

I didn't realize there were that many

[pseudo sable]

or maybe 5/27 if 'dual nikanas' is different from 'dual swords'

[gritty pike]

I wasn't thinking the dual weapons or hack axes

or stuff like thatjust sword, hammer, nikana, and a few others

[pseudo sable]

3 flavors of nikana (normal, dual, big) then spear/polearm and hammer

[gritty pike]

Yeah I wasn't looking that deep into the types, I was just thinking hammer as a whole or nikana as a whole

[pseudo sable]

fair lol

But yeah it really doesn't look like there are a lot of options for customizing how the Drifter plays so fingers crossed that changes

it makes sense when it's kahl because he's kahl but the drifter is a custom character so it'd be weird for them to be stuck with one loadout forever

[zenith jacinth]

DE doesn't plan to give op/drifter melee options outside of duviri, that's the reason why void strike was removed nvm I can't read

[robust summit]

I kinda miss Void Blast… but can’t have everything I guess.

[errant minnow]

we'll have drifter melee instead so wooo

[robust summit]

Yeah, but Void Explosions will always hold a special place in my heart. But we get some fun melees. So it’s still a win!

[limpid socket]

It's a dual Nikana from what I saw
So why wouldn't a Warframe be able to use em

[pseudo sable]

Well, drifter melee in one specific place and maybe in missions later on if people ask enough

[zenith jacinth]

People have been asking for a long time, it won't happen

[real niche]

We're not getting Drifter melee in Warframe Classic, they've said that much

[scarlet basalt]

Would be weird to not do.
But it kinda make weird things tbh, like does that mean you could ride a kaithe on normal warframe ?

[zenith jacinth]

Kaithes are not weapons

[supple dagger]

waiting duviri

[robust summit]

I don’t think we’re getting Void Horse in regular gameplay…

[supple dagger]

yes
At most, it will be exclusive to open worlds...
But I believe it will be exclusive only in the world of duviri

[robust summit]

[scarlet basalt]

do you ride a weapon ?
Nevermind ghoul saw

[zenith jacinth]

The wording and context of this seems to imply that kaithes are weapons

[scarlet basalt]

I meant like with how the 3rd and 4th skill of the drifter aren't used, they could try to put something,would be funny if they put kaithe, like this could make void sling less used and more of an active buff with a kaithe ?

[zenith jacinth]

What about op?

[scarlet basalt]

oh my god imagine Op with k-drive but he keep crashing into wall and out of the map

I hope they will explain how the drifter has found broken lotus,etc...
Those plothole i guess can only be solved in duviri, which i guess could make sense since it's void thing

Yo what if i put every archon shard that i've collected in lotus, like will she overcharge and be stronger than pre-destroyed sentients on PoE ?

[stark falcon]

Could be a prequel?

Plus on drifter universe did we even get the last archon shard

The new war ending was kind of a clusterfuck

[zenith jacinth]

The entire new war quest takes place in op timeline

[zenith jacinth]

It's not a plothole just because it hasn't been explained yet. It's a plothole when it never gets explained

[stark falcon]

Then how did drifter get there

And how did they meet up

Any good YouTube videos explaining the new war?

[obtuse gyro]

find out when duviri drops

[stark falcon]

Find out next time in tennos bizarre adventure

[scarlet basalt]

maybe the tempestarii went there and saved the drifter 🤔

[last briar]

Well yes and no balas took the last archon shard from us but after the fight lotus took his powers

[tropic venture]

I just got the worst sister ever

[zenith jacinth]

What's bad about her?

[digital hearth]

I think he's talking about their weapon. .

[wild copper]

25% cold
F

[zenith jacinth]

Time to start fusing

[dry magnet]

https://twitter.com/vladaking91/status/1646006652800212995?s=46&t=ktN44CFSBd_nyFA4tI8CVA

Vladimir⚜️ (@Vladaking91)

@Helen_Heikkila @soelloo When can normal immortals test this bad boy- duviri?😁

Twitter · Apr 12, 2023, 4:25 AM

Looks like it’s confirmed 😏😅

[wild copper]

Already was confirmed to be coming in April 🤷‍♂️

[dry magnet]

Yea i know 😅 I whose just been sarcastic

[topaz badge]

[steep delta]

If Duviri is confirmed for this month then that would mean...

[twin obsidian]

Duviri dropping in April is pretty old news. The problem is when. All bets right now are on the 15th during prime time

[velvet wing]

Prime time is not on the 15th, the 15th is a Saturday

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1344978-community-stream-schedule-april-10-14/

[twin obsidian]

Sorry meant the 13th

My bad

[vital creek]

please let it be the 14th

[twin obsidian]

I just woke up

And my spellcheck is fighting me for control of the phone

[vital creek]

Ooo 13th even better

[supple dagger]

Now I want some bubble tea..

[dry magnet]

😏

[supple dagger]

It’s cool tho to see them have fun while they’re polishing and finalizing Duviri

[frail laurel]

Kahl-175 is my hero for now on, love that guy and his gameplay

i dont regret losing my grass and my snow anymore because we have a good char

[velvet wing]

They’re definitely not releasing Duviri tomorrow, they need enough time to hotfix and seeing as they don’t really hotfix during the evenings or weekends they won’t be dropping it this week.

[supple dagger]

"this month" is not a news

[supple dagger]

I disagree
I have already witnessed a flood of Hotfix being released several days a week

[velvet wing]

For a mainline update they do not do them late in the week

[dry magnet]

OMG no 1 this days dont know abot sarcasm?

xD

my response to DE whose like wow really

with a gif

[velvet wing]

They like giving their team adequate time to address all issues, it would just be irresponsible to push it out before the weekend when they could hold it and allow for them to enjoy their weekends instead of potentially having to work through them

[dry magnet]

i dont think we are that lucky 😄

[supple dagger]

Making incoherent posts and then calling them "sarcasm" because they didn't live up to your expectations... Not exactly sarcasm...
But I understand your intention...

[frail nymph]

We already know how Lotus's hand got to Duviri (kinda)

[dry magnet]

not on them on my reaction know about it but its like i dont know it

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah but like other things which are weird, how did they find lotus,how did ordis found him,etc...
This will be answered in duviri and post content from duviri which would make sense i guess. I mean girl got sucked into a blackhole and somehow my counterpart from another universe found her

[frail nymph]

What do you mean how did they find Lotus? Have you not seen Tennocon Duviri gameplay?

[dry magnet]

If Ballas can open the rift/portal in to duviri,doesnt mean he is the 1 who is controling the duviri ? And also he experiment on Dax soldiers to make frames so maybe dead Dax in duviri are the 1 who he send to that world

[frail nymph]

And the other universe counterpart stuff isn't about "things happening somehow."
The man in the Wall brough Lotus's severed hand with him in the Zariman deal cutscene

[frail nymph]

If you can open the door of a car does that mean you own every car in the world?

[scarlet basalt]

But lotus got sucked inside the void i meant found not only her hand, but also her ? Which is strange

[frail nymph]

The Lotus we have now probably came entirely from the hand healing. Check #lore-discussion I will reply to an image of mine from earlier

[scarlet basalt]

Oh my god this would be terrifying but it would make sense with how they work

[dry magnet]

i see your point but its not a good comparison...open a rift is tottaly different then open just dor to your home or a car

[frail nymph]

It's different, but in a way that supports me even more, cause you can open a rift to literally anywhere while a car door can be locked.

Also the portal doesn't necessarily go straight to Duviri.

[tall abyss]

I don’t reckon it’s coming out till the last week of the month

[frail laurel]

yes but we have kahl

[tall abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/kahl-warframe-the-new-war-warframe-the-new-war-warframe-khal-gif-22381522

[frail laurel]

ye ma boy

[supple dagger]

Saw this on wf reddit and w o w

[orchid remnant]

i wonder if they taste like duviri

or just like normal chocolate

[supple dagger]

I love the cute designs on the chocolate themselves ngl

[frail nymph]

Wait the tweet is 10 days old... How have I not seen this?!

[tropic venture]

Just hit MR 14 and Wally decided to show up

[supple dagger]

Lol Wally looks less menacing with glasses

[torpid lantern]

Minty!

[obtuse gyro]

your point is terrible too, Ballas being able to open a portal to somewhere does not necessarily mean at all that he controls duviri

[vital creek]

does this mean that Nova just controls the universe

[calm kayak]

Wish he was permanent instead of disappearing

[icy ore]

Whose a good eldritch horror mirror

[dry magnet]

I whose making suggestions and a question what if or is it. And not as fact! I just think this would make him interesting in a way that can make sense on all undesd looking Dax soldiers just like lotus hand drift Tenshin and what not…

[tropic venture]

nah, him randomly appearing acts like a reminder that he's still there. If he was just constant he'd be normalized

[twilit geode]

I miss when Wally just sat there for as long as you looked at him, but the moment you look away and he leaves your field of view, he disappears with no VFX. As if he had never been there to begin with. It was so much more impactful and spooky than the current generic smoky poof after a couple of seconds.

[calm kayak]

I want both

[loud kayak]

Warframe players try not to be obnoxious about the new update challenge (impossible)

[balmy storm]

I want them to take as much time as they need to make Duviri good, it’ll come out when it comes out.

[obtuse gyro]

Indeed, although from the recent history of this channel, its just been 1 or two repeat offenders

[orchid remnant]

U gotta go home man

[limpid socket]

I really hope I'm not the only one who called the new Warframe radagon by accident

[summer hornet]

Can i be obnoxious about cross save?

[calm kayak]

Yeh only for elding ring players

[zenith jacinth]

Which one?

[limpid socket]

New frame that's coming out according to a YouTuber
Has a name that can be misread as radagon

[zenith jacinth]

Oh cool, youtubers pretending there's any confirmation for a new frame now

[obtuse gyro]

link the youtuber so we can laugh at them

[dry magnet]

🤔

This days its bad when you want something like for example cinematic duviri trailer. And its ok to kissass on something that everyone else preferred but you don’t… like stupid old bunny ears?

[loud kayak]

I just think that it's a bit dumb to complain about an event that happens anually regardless of new updates on the horizon

[obtuse gyro]

and also dumb to complain about an ongoing partnership with amazon that has been going on for what? a year or two? maybe less but long enough to not even remotely be related to duviri complaints

[zenith jacinth]

I said it before, for some people complaining is easier than just not saying anything

[dry magnet]

How is this complaining expecting something and or even wanting to see something that is to be expected? And why all seriousness on a little joke comparisons eagerly and simply wanting for more that we are waiting for so long to see? And some how im only 1 who want to know more about the big update that we didn’t have something like this in years

[obtuse gyro]

Maybe consider that we have a modicum of patience?

[loud kayak]

Least deranged Warframe player

[zenith jacinth]

No, not really

[obtuse gyro]

This isnt "complaining expecting something and or even wanting to see something that is to be expected" this is whining, you have consistently, every single damn day in this one channel constantly whined about not getting news about duviri, making up your own headcannon about DE's operations, and now you are calling us sheep for thinking that this behaviour is annoying and imo borderline disgusting? I want Duviri too, but to act like you and constantly repeat tired and mindnumbing rhetoric is not going to make duviri come any faster, and is just going to annoy the everliving muck out of everyone else

[limpid socket]

Ragadosh

Or as I called him
Radagon

[loud kayak]

When was this shown?

[limpid socket]

This was the YouTuber I talked about

[obtuse gyro]

this is... very new to me, I'll go take a peek at the latest dev stream since I missed that one

[limpid socket]

https://youtu.be/Hpy9kbSX4R4
And here's the video link

[zenith jacinth]

That looks like male gara

[limpid socket]

I thought that one Oberon skin mixed with frost and umbra

[zenith jacinth]

I have never heard of that youtuber so I'll just assume he's unreliable for now

[obtuse gyro]

my guy

[calm kayak]

Gon say a lotta bs but no date reveal

[obtuse gyro]

it is BS because thats an april fool's video

[calm kayak]

Oh ok lol

[limpid socket]

I'm half blind
So I didn't see the thing

[loud kayak]

Oh rip

[limpid socket]

But still
Radagosh looked cool
Even tho he ain't real

[calm kayak]

I'm blind too but can't see far

[obtuse gyro]

...

[loud kayak]

Same to you, my dude.

[zenith jacinth]

Ah yes, we're the ones insulting people

[tight lion]

Exactly, thank you for expressing what we have been waiting and experiencing for so long about duviri and the community/game in general to grow

[ionic sleet]

Let's not please.

[balmy storm]

👀

https://youtu.be/sTCkyaH0ws4

[obtuse gyro]

how ironic that the one person who whined so hard about news till he got banned would have been here to see this if he had just yknow not bash folks

[zenith jacinth]

He's still here

[balmy storm]

Maybe he’ll finally stop complaining everyday now though

I just noticed the warframes are on the kaithe 👁️
I am pleased

[obtuse gyro]

damn means he must have blocked me since I cant see mutual servers

[obtuse gyro]

inb4 archwings are disabled in Duviri making us use horseyes

[kindred briar]

this is why they teach patience as a virtue in schools

[balmy storm]

That’s what I want

[obtuse gyro]

ngl, I would like that too

[balmy storm]

If I want to go fast I’ll just use the fast travel teleport that they should have since every other open world has it

[kindred briar]

they might not because lore

[balmy storm]

Patience is a virtue when you’re a warframe player
I’ve been here for like 5 years, you learn that waiting is all you can do.

[kindred briar]

6, going on 7 here, some of the people here forgot what the wait felt like

[balmy storm]

Because Lore supersedes QoL lol

[kindred briar]

flashbacks to waiting for TNW after Sacrifice

[balmy storm]

You’d think Warframe players would be better at waiting considering we still have a minimum of 84 hour wait times whenever we want to make a new Warframe
That isn’t even counting the hours of farming for the parts and resources, but at least you’re doing something then

This game is Primed Waiting

[loud kayak]

Oh damn let's go

4 long years

[balmy storm]

We did it! We survived long enough to see Duviri’s final announcement trailer

[loud kayak]

First major update I've been following from start to release, feels nice to finally see it with my own two eyes

[balmy storm]

Now that I think about it
Duviri being announced is kinda what got me to stick with Warframe, it looked so interesting and I remember thinking what the original reveal could’ve meant, why was the Operator old? What happened? When can I ride a horse too?
And now we’re almost there!

God I hope it doesn’t suck

[loud kayak]

Duviri gave me some Death Stranding vibes with the teaser so I was immediately hooked

[balmy storm]

I just love everything DE has done with the void so Duviri is literally everything I’ve ever wanted
Just hope it delivers on the weird void stuff part, which it looks like it will!

[loud kayak]

I'm a sucker for the new weird/abstract aesthetic anyways so Duviri looks very much like my cup of tea

[balmy storm]

Saaame, I love the fractal everything we’ve seen
I really hope we get a bunch of the plant life as decorations!

[twilit geode]

If I didn’t have patience in spades, I’d not have played Warframe for 10 years. In fact, I believe today is my 10th anniversary for Warframe. I’ve waited this long for Duviri. I can keep waiting.

[loud kayak]

I don't know if you've seen some old League of Legends concept art for the void, it was basically spirals similar to Warframe's. I was really into that aesthetic, but when League decided to not go that direction Duviri will most definitely fill that gap in my heart

[balmy storm]

Since it’s your 10 year what would you rate Warframe on a scale of 1-10

[twin obsidian]

Well I guess that means it’s dropping next week. They don’t usually say the release date is today on the day of release. But it’s almost always a week before

[balmy storm]

That or it’ll be end of the month

[obtuse gyro]

inb4 its today

[twin obsidian]

I mean I won’t complain

[obtuse gyro]

I will, I got a test tomorrow

[loud kayak]

Me too I'm busy tonight and this weekend

Wait actually it would be better because I can come back to a few hotfixes

[twilit geode]

Hmm… That’s a tough one. I would say off the top of my head… A 6-7.
Warframe is the game I’ve played more than any other game in my life. I’ve had good times and bad. But I’m still here.
I wouldn’t give it a full 10, because no game is really a perfect score. And as much as I do love what DE has made, they’ve had their fair share of slip ups. But compared to many other devs, they do seem to have learned better from mistakes than most. Even if they don’t always take action on it. (Regal Aya system still rubs me the wrong way. New premium currency introduced 8 years into a game’s life?) Abysmal new player starting experience, complete absence of game system explanation for so many things, Ingame moderation issues, etc.
There are issues, yes. But I still have hopes for it. I believe Rebecca has the best in mind for Warframe’s future. And I wish her the best of luck. I’ll be here, watching, and playing. And as every Warframe player does, waiting at the Altar of Soon™️.

[balmy storm]

That was beautiful-

[zenith jacinth]

"no game is really a perfect score"
I object, ōkami is a perfect game

[obtuse gyro]

I object, Untitled Goose Game is the best gaming is ever going to get

[twin obsidian]

i present to you skyrim. a game that wont ever die

[obtuse gyro]

wont die sure, but I wont be calling that perfect

[twin obsidian]

any game that can be release successfully 6 times is top tier

[balmy storm]

Outer Wilds is one of, if not, the best game I’ve ever played in my entire life

[zenith jacinth]

Ōkami is the best game just due to the ost and story alone

[balmy storm]

That’s the one with the funny paint dog, right?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[balmy storm]

I gotta play that some day, I love the art style

[zenith jacinth]

Though I personally wouldn't call a reincarnated god "funny paint dog"

[balmy storm]

Okay but they have paint, are a dog and dogs are funny

[zenith jacinth]

Wolf

[balmy storm]

Funny paint wolf

Do you know if the steam port is good btw?
I think I have it on there

[zenith jacinth]

If it's official, probably

[balmy storm]

Cool

[zenith jacinth]

Don't know if the controls will be easy to use, I've only played it on nintendo consoles so far

[balmy storm]

Is it on the switch?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

And on the wii. Motion controls

We're... very far off-topic now.

[balmy storm]

True
I’ll have to check it out on the switch though, thanks

Anyway
Duviri! Less than an hour now

[scarlet basalt]

I hope we can rush into enemies with the horse to stagger them 🙏 but they can also do the same

[white thistle]

Well Duviri Paradox Officially arrives on 26th April

[balmy storm]

[loud kayak]

Feels nice

[obtuse gyro]

dominus has a very human arm

[balmy storm]

It seems very long too

I wonder why the Drifter would put their hand out toward Dominus, after all the pain and torture why would we offer kindness?
What will we uncover that causes us to act this way?

[scarlet basalt]

easy guess is that now we have the confirmation that he isn't a void manifestation but someone ? Like i thought rell but idk

[balmy storm]

I think they’re someone from the Zariman, but not someone we have met previously

If we met them previously and considering everything we do know, they were a child like us, which could narrow it down to Rell or a classmate

[scarlet basalt]

I guess : oh yeah since you have the kaithes if i kill you,it won't be great for me as i will be drifting in the void ?
So maybe drifter will try to save Dominus until he change his perspective,even tho he could have a lot of remorse because of what he put drifter through ?

[obtuse gyro]

I reaaaaallly hope its not Rell

[rough hawk]

Dune vibes?

[obtuse gyro]

Hell I'd take a 3rd version of us over Rell

[scarlet basalt]

smelling that zaza

[balmy storm]

Idk if Dominus has remorse, but we’ll see

[obtuse gyro]

makes sense given how we were once confused for Dominus

[balmy storm]

Would be interesting if Dominus ends up being an ally, if that’s the case then maybe our next threat is far more powerful Wally

[scarlet basalt]

btu the new war confirmed that we've killed every version of us but not the drifter when we gave the handshake to MITW ? Or it was a weird scene ?

[robust summit]

I think it’s all versions who take the deal.

Because it shows people shaking Wally’s hand dying. But I’m not to sure…

[obtuse gyro]

everyone who didnt succeed in the deal, but extend it to what did drifter do after he got split due to the deal?

[balmy storm]

Problem with that being Dominus’ voice would change to a feminine when Drifter’s is a feminine one

Which is possible but that would give it away.

[scarlet basalt]

yeah maybe honestly idk because i still don't understand if it's simple or not the handshake deal lol

[obtuse gyro]

that would also extend to rell, since I've asked a few brits and they can confirm its at the very least someone trying to sound british

which aint the same as rell

[balmy storm]

So not Rell, not us

How many brits do we know that were aboard the Zariman

[molten oxide]

Trailer is pretty cool

[scarlet basalt]

funny that we haven't seen luscina in the trailer, it seems like she's here only when he is on his other throne ?

[flint totem]

Can i bring Nataruk to duviri?

Not only is it my OP weapon, but also a homage to New War

[rugged hemlock]

I hope dominus is the man in the wall. Because since we offer him a hand he offers it back later

[flint totem]

Nataruk
"A weapon from a vengeful father to save his daughter. In another world, and a time yet to come."

[wispy jasper]

Really interested in the switch up with drifter’s behavior towards the new opponent. Got me a lot more hyped for figuring out the narrative of Duviri than I was before

I love a sad sack character, can’t help it

[rugged hemlock]

Hey kiddo

[scarlet basalt]

Since it's roguelike and random maybe they will allow you to get that weapon.
But this weapon is also very OP against single target so maybe they will nerf it a little bit

[molten oxide]

I'll be happy if I can use duel nikata on Excalibur umbra

[flint totem]

Hope they let me bring my 70k damage slash proc bow

[scarlet basalt]

Lodun getting nuked by a sentient weapon

[balmy storm]

Sentient weapons in the void?
Sounds like a bad idea to me

[flint totem]

His face when i shoot him with a bow designed to kill archons:

[steep delta]

Eternalism states that Duviri will but also will not release on the 26th. Reason: other games

Warframe may have to be last on our list of games to play on on release day

[loud kayak]

I think I'll replay the main questline before Duviri drops

[cinder steppe]

Could Dominus Thrax maybe be a Tenno with BPD?

[balmy storm]

BPD?

[cinder steppe]

Borderline Personality Disorder

[balmy storm]

Speedrun TNW

[hybrid scroll]

🤔

[balmy storm]

Oh
Maybe? If you or someone else knows a lot about BPD you/they should def do a character analysis of him when we have more info

[cinder steppe]

I think Dominus might have an amount of power they struggle to comprehend. And because of their mood swings and mental instability, they end up doing horrible things they later regret, however their ability to control a whole dimension might not make them stop because they don't see the consequences of their actions. The drifter empathizes with them and this reaches out his hand to help Thrax.

That's just a theory purely based on the trailer and that Duviri is affected by the mood of Dominus Thrax

[zenith jacinth]

He doesn't seem to regret anything

[graceful zodiac]

Mostly a weird scene for now. There's no real explanation for what it means yet

[rugged ridge]

I'm now thinking about how the Drifter offering his hand with a smile looks a little bit like a wall friend of ours

[rugged ridge]

Also Dominus might sound slightly androgynous for this reason? IDK

[supple dagger]

how high chances are that ||king of duviri is just another version of drifter/operator?||

[real niche]

Zero because two Fredbears can't exist at the same time for long. This was shown during the sit-down chat in TNW.

[balmy storm]

That’s possible too, but considering Op and Drifter have defined masculine/feminine voices I think we can rule out Dominus being another version of us
Or if they are us then maybe they identify differently then we do, which could be really interesting if handled well

[graceful zodiac]

Dominus is definitely male, just a higher voice register

You know, like a child would

[balmy storm]

I figured as much, it’s an interesting idea though

[wispy jasper]

I kind of want to think of the drifter/operator dynamic as like being roommates with yourself. Drifter pops in, eats all the Solaris bachelor chow, leaves a note on the fridge that you need to get more

[graceful zodiac]

Note, that's in relation to being on reality proper. Duviri works on different physics

[loud kayak]

Dominus is pretty consistently referred to as a king so I'm pretty sure he is a male, of course can't be 100% certain though.

[balmy storm]

Considering Dominus is just male they probably aren’t us
Unless for us female players Dominus is a version of us that identifies differently, but that seems highly unlikely

[balmy storm]

King is not a title reserved for just males, but I’m certain Dominus is male

[loud kayak]

It isn't? Languages suck man

[balmy storm]

Why does that suck?
It’s just a title, they don’t have to be gendered

Anyway, my Drifter’ll probably be referred to as a king despite my Drifter being a female

[loud kayak]

It'd be a lot easier for me if they were gendered and/or there was a neutral alternative

[balmy storm]

Neutral alternative > gendered alternative

[torpid lantern]

Btw there's a hidden game on the Duviri web page
https://www.warframe.com/the-duviri-paradox

[scarlet basalt]

this is crazy that we're literally fighting a foe that could be one of the strongest tenno or the strongest tenno.
Like idk if we have ever fought someone with such power from the void

[supple dagger]

26 yet
what a long month

[odd crane]

I would not be surprised if Dominus is a part of the Operator/ Drifter, he is a Thrax therefore a Void manifestation, so been a rogue part of the Tenno duality system (Operator/ Drifter) is not out of the question, and to a further extension, maybe this is why forcing the Drifter to "bend" to his will is of paramount importance.

On the other hand he could just be a void manifestation modelled after the Drifter and tasked to break down and subjugate the Drifter given the Drifter is an anomaly that revolts against the void, a distorted mirror image if you will.

Or he could be the man in the wall or someone created/ tasked by the man in the wall to torment the Drifter because the Drifter did not take the bargain.

[balmy storm]

The name Thrax comes from an Orokin bedtime story, I feel it’s more likely Thrax was an individual aboard the Zariman who had heard that story and used the name as their own to also instill fear.
I’m also not so sure about Thrax being a void manifestation of ourselves, we’ll have to see if their voice changes in accordance to our own but it seems more likely they’re a distinct individual.
The Wally theory is interesting and he’s probably involved somehow.

[hexed cipher]

Im a F prophet

I had a dream where i played duviri today

[kindred briar]

cool

[hexed cipher]

And the trailer droped today

[balmy storm]

Why couldn’t you have dreamed that 2 weeks ago 😔

[supple dagger]

Is there a Dominus boss fight?!

[hexed cipher]

There is gonna be a railjack

[balmy storm]

Something interesting I noticed in the trailer is that the puppet/actor that symbolizes the Drifter is missing their left arm, Dominus’ left arm appears to be the only human thing we’ve seen about them
It probably doesn’t mean anything but I found it interesting

[hexed cipher]

I remember group of dudes was dumbfounded beacuse of how good mine was in that dream

[balmy storm]

Throwback to the original Duviri/Dominus teaser

I hope his little cape gremlin made the cut

[supple dagger]

I wonder if that emblem on his stomach is his official logo for his faction lol

[frail laurel]

i hope we will have a paradox kahl

[balmy storm]

He still has it so
Maybe

[balmy storm]

Lore-wise that might not really work, could be way more dangerous for Kahl and the gameplay that he brings will probably be unneeded since Drifter combat exists

[frail laurel]

kahl with big sword making doom slayer guy again hmmmm

[sturdy cedar]

yo i just saw the new trailer

[balmy storm]

That being said, I would love to see Kahl get more missions, if special void-immunity gear becomes a thing maybe we can bring him along

[winter anvil]

"Embrace the sniff 👃 and break thy chains -.-" (^.^)

[frail laurel]

or a paradow veso

[sturdy cedar]

april 26th lets goooo

[balmy storm]

We got a date after 4 years!

[balmy storm]

That seems way more likely tbh, it feels like such a waste to not do more with Veso’s gameplay

[frail laurel]

veso commanding medieval bots ye like that

[balmy storm]

If they steer all the void stuff more towards bringing in whatever they want somehow then I hope Veso is one of the first features to come of that, but I’m not sure that could happen (at least in that way)

[frail laurel]

we have tony stark and doom slayer

[sturdy cedar]

still wish i could port my account to pc tho

[balmy storm]

Kahl got a jetpack
Give Veso one too

[balmy storm]

We’ll probably get info on cross-play at Tennocon
And if we don’t, more waiting!

[sturdy cedar]

when is tennocon btw?

[balmy storm]

We probably will get something though, it’s their biggest event and we know they’re working on it

[frail laurel]

ye

[balmy storm]

August

[supple dagger]

Also I just realized that Drifter and the wood guy are literally the same person except the wood guy is from Dominus’s perspective, a toy

[frail laurel]

allow us to put a veso base in our camp like kahl does

[supple dagger]

Or a dummy

[sturdy cedar]

is it the same day every year?

[balmy storm]

No, it’s usually in July!

[balmy storm]

They’re an actor taking Drifter’s place
They do lose an arm though

[supple dagger]

Yea and I like how his swords are sticks

[balmy storm]

I’m not sure the trailer is meant to show what’s actually happening, it’s more like a play of it, or at least a play about what Dominus wants
We’ll find out soon though!

[sturdy cedar]

is drifter gonna play like how he did in the new war? bc playing with him in the normal game is straight booty

[velvet wing]

He gets melee in the new content

[balmy storm]

There will be more weapons and we’ll have a horse but I think the abilities are the same
Probably no Drifter combat outside of Duviri though, since you’ll always have access to your Warframe and Drifter has tenno powers to protect themself

[sturdy cedar]

darn

[frail laurel]

why not making veso and kahl playable in coop

[balmy storm]

We do know Warframes will be summonable in Duviri, but it’s something you’ll get later down the line and I suspect will be similar to how Op/Drifter appears from a Warframe, maybe with a cooldown too

[frail laurel]

one hack the thing

the other shoot everything that moves

[sturdy cedar]

so like a titan in titanfall?

[balmy storm]

Our Veso is dead and the Tenno never even met the guy, we just witnessed his story, so a corpus ally wouldn’t be Veso unless weird void stuff happens

[balmy storm]

I feel like it’s gonna be more like when we swap to op from our Warframe

[sturdy cedar]

oh

im mad hyped for this quest

[sage pond]

ravenstruth was right all along, mad respect

[balmy storm]

Saaame, I’m so excited

[frail laurel]

make weird void stuff happen then

[sturdy cedar]

are we gonna need anything special? like a necromech

[balmy storm]

It’s more complicated then you think, if Veso himself returns he wouldn’t be our Veso, they’d also have to explain why he’s helping us or us him since we never actually met him
It would be easier to apply his gameplay to a Corpus ally that we assist similarly to Kahl

[frail laurel]

oh

[balmy storm]

Nope, it’s new player friendly
So new player friendly that they’ll get to jump right in from the start!

[frail laurel]

then let's make a friendly corpus

he help us cause he's stuck in duviri paradox

[balmy storm]

We do have one at Kahl’s camp, though I’m unsure if he’s a fighter

[frail laurel]

we need fighter i wanna see veso gameplay again

[limpid socket]

So in the duviri trailer I saw the drifter reach out to thrax
Are we gonna get a
"Thrax. Add color to the world thrax. You're breaking my balls thrax. I don't wanna kill you thrax" moment?

[supple dagger]

So if a new player decides that they want to start with Duviri instead of the main story, does that mean that they immediately get access to the Duviri quest and Plains of Duviri too or is it just the quest?

[limpid socket]

Good question

[balmy storm]

Maybe, but it seems Thrax wasn’t for that idea at all, if they don’t become our ally they’ll probably be a more permanent foe

[balmy storm]

Both I think

[supple dagger]

That’s wild

[sturdy cedar]

will the drifter keep his gear after the quest or will it go to our warframe?

[balmy storm]

DE fr just adding an entire new open world game that’s easy to access from the start to their pre-established free game that’s on every console

[limpid socket]

These guys are like the opposite of ea

[balmy storm]

Do you mean the weapons?
Those may be shared

[limpid socket]

And I love them for that

[sturdy cedar]

yeah

[frail laurel]

he will keep

[supple dagger]

I always thought that a new player would only have access to the quest and then get booted back into Vor’s prize

[balmy storm]

I still don’t know why my friends sleep on Warframe, I can understand the waiting being terrible but a game is better when you don’t burn out

[balmy storm]

That would be a stupid thing to do

[frail laurel]

what if the entrati brother find a corpus in deimos valley so we have to get him

[limpid socket]

"I finally am free from this he-"

"You're my prize now tenno"

[frail laurel]

like the friendly corpus in the quest

[graceful zodiac]

We already have helpful tenno

[frail laurel]

I'm gonna pray the tenno gods for them to make a playable corpus char

[limpid socket]

We had veso
But then he died

[frail laurel]

yes

we can have another friendly corpus

or a stoopid infected dog from deimos that follow kahl

[uneven sage]

Sister Corpus could survive when Sevagoth blew up her ship so I will always keep praying that Veso is somewhere out there waiting for us.

[frail laurel]

i pray tenno gods too

[zenith jacinth]

We have the one from deimos bounties

[frail laurel]

yes but not one like veso

[graceful zodiac]

When the Director says they've died, they're pretty likely dead

[frail laurel]

look

we could have doom guy, iron man, and infested dog

(just need friendly iron man and dog)

[zenith jacinth]

Helminth chargers are a thing

[frail laurel]

ye

but

they loo, too much friendly

[zenith jacinth]

They... look the same as normal chargers?

[tropic venture]

Damn...

[sturdy cedar]

yo why does de's drifter look like pedro pascal?

[frail laurel]

im sorry to say you this but, you lost ur grass and ur snow

[frail laurel]

no

they look like dog

i want dawg, not dog

[zenith jacinth]

Oh right. I had the alternate helminth charger skin on mine.

[frail laurel]

oh i understand

[zenith jacinth]

You can make it look like normal chargers

[frail laurel]

ye i have it but dont put it, because i try to kill my dog if so

[zenith jacinth]

The plains just turned to autumn, but the loss of snow is truly sad

[zenith jacinth]

So you want a friendly charger, but don't use the skin that lets you have one. Interesting.

[frail laurel]

if i put it i invert him with enemy

[sturdy cedar]

i also just noticed the trailler is a loop

[zenith jacinth]

Then make it look different enough

[zenith jacinth]

What trailer? Is there a new trailer?

[sturdy cedar]

for duruvi paradox

it came out six hours ago (in my timezone)

[frail laurel]

oh ye

[zenith jacinth]

I've seen duvari before, never saw duruvi though. Always interesting to see how people mistype duviri

Understandable tho

[sturdy cedar]

my falt

*fault

[uneven sage]

The Director cant make me stop belive!
And just like Vor, dead dont always stay dead.

[frail laurel]

yes ty

[zenith jacinth]

Dead until proven otherwise.

[frail laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-25649629

i must find the most proof to say that he is alive

even the smallest pixel will be find

[zenith jacinth]

Director said he died, the ship he was on blew up, we haven't seen or heard from him since it happened.

Unless he suddenly reappears in-game, he's just dead

[frail laurel]

how the sister survive and he doesnt

how vor die and reanimate and he doesnt

[sturdy cedar]

why is Duviri in black in whute?

*white?

[zenith jacinth]

Vala "died" in a void-related explosion, was semi-important and got yoinked into the granum void

[thick jolt]

We would need a time machine to know the why of unreleased content

[zenith jacinth]

Dominus likes himself some good ol' monotony

[frail laurel]

veso was important

[zenith jacinth]

Vor explains why he's alive

[frail laurel]

but veso

why cant he live

[zenith jacinth]

Veko wasn't even important enough for salad to get his name right

He was just another corpus engineer

[thick jolt]

Vewo was just in the right place at the right time

[frail laurel]

but he is for us, he helped us saving everyone why does he has to die

[zenith jacinth]

Weewoo?

[frail laurel]

no he has to live make live iron man

[thick jolt]

Nah he dead

[zenith jacinth]

He blew up one ship that I'm pretty sure wasn't even in our way

[frail laurel]

No by the tenno gods he shall survive like all the others characters

[thick jolt]

We dont have gods

[frail laurel]

yes we have tenno gods

[thick jolt]

We dont really

[zenith jacinth]

Tenno are mortal and weak

[frail laurel]

and they shall make rise again a corpus engineer gamepla

[frail laurel]

not the tenno gods

[graceful zodiac]

They won't. Not to a person literally no one would know about

[zenith jacinth]

What "tenno gods"? Wally?

[frail laurel]

then make one important enough, like kahl is

[frail laurel]

yes we have they are currently creating for us tenno

[zenith jacinth]

I still think kahl should've stayed "dead"

[frail laurel]

No dont say that again in front of me

[zenith jacinth]

Any names?

[frail laurel]

Kahl is the doom guy

[frail laurel]

i could ping them but i'll get punished for that so

[zenith jacinth]

The devs are not gods.

[thick jolt]

Those gods have already decreed veno as dead

[zenith jacinth]

Also this

[frail laurel]

yes veso may be, but the choosen one may not be

[frail laurel]

yes they are tenno gods

[zenith jacinth]

Another one for the block list

[frail laurel]

i am in denial corpus engineer gameplay cant die

[uneven sage]

Six million ducats corpus.
We can rebuild him, we have the technology.
We can make him better than he was.
Better, stronger, faster.

[frail laurel]

YES TY

[graceful zodiac]

No

[frail laurel]

we have staff that represents the perfect team

[uneven sage]

Long live Veso, never will my belief die!

[frail laurel]

god Connor for iron man and god Marcus for doom guy

[frail laurel]

yay

long life to corpus engineer gameplay

[zenith jacinth]

Veko is dead, but they mentioned wanting to bring back the gameplay iirc

[uneven sage]

Meme Veso until they bring him back

[frail laurel]

It's veso and yay long life to tenno gods

[limpid socket]

Lotus: tenno, you are more vulnerable than ever now

One quest later

tenno: WORM IN MY BRAIN WANTS MAH BODEE

[sturdy cedar]

do we know whose hand drifter gets in duviri?

[limpid socket]

Lotus

Her hand got cut off in the new war