builds-discussion

[mighty flare]

whats the next line below it say

[drifting kiln]

i was popping off from the red text and now I'm saluting in front of its grave lmao

[quiet laurel]

peak

I do wonder what gamemode is next

[wary forge]

W DE

[quiet laurel]

will it be cascade, arbis or endo

[queen summit]

arena endo for sure

[wary forge]

Arbis next up

[quiet laurel]

god I hope arbis gets killed next so I dont have a reason to play the game anymore

[wary forge]

True

I’m actually pretty surprised arbis have lasted this long

[drifting kiln]

that kinda sucks considering how much of an investment the strat required, but it did rely on a bugged interaction so that's fair

[quiet laurel]

and after all endgame players leave the game, DE will have their so wanted casual game with no toxicity and no people to sell lots of things to other players so that DE can focus on selling more skins

[tender forge]

It makes Dot effects from electra able to trigger credit drops when enemies dies while afflicted

[mighty flare]

that

[drifting kiln]

I'll say the redtext initially made it seem like a massive W and then reading the full hotfix notes turned it into a betrayal xd

[tender forge]

I think its better now. Build electra for duration

[quiet laurel]

?

[drifting kiln]

well the thing is you get strictly fewer credit drops PER kill

[tender forge]

Then kill with ablites

[drifting kiln]

so you get less credits no matter what

[quiet laurel]

my guy lecta is completely dead, gone, reduced to atoms, no reason to use it

[wary forge]

It was good bc of the multiple credit drops

[drifting kiln]

like it gave WAY more credits than intended initially, that part of the fix removes an insane amount of it

[quiet laurel]

you are better off using any other melee with higher KPM potential than this sad state of a passive rn

[wary forge]

10k credits in 2 minutes 🥀

[tender forge]

Heat inherit electra.

[wary forge]

300k credits in an hour of lecta

[rancid coral]

what aura would u recomend?

[quiet laurel]

and on an average PC the amount was around the same as a well optimized PT run
it was only ever really much better than PT if you had perfect side rooms and a NASA PC

[drifting kiln]

god even some of my worst runs with incomplete set ups would make like 3 millions

[quiet laurel]

DE should just remove all of the end game farms already

so its a fast and painless death of any hope of endgame for this game

make PT have 3 more minutes of unskippable damage/invuln phases

make arbitrations only have 1 drone up at a time

[drifting kiln]

I do think the fact that framerate impacted it might have been a part of why, though I hope they revert some of that change because learning that strat was actually way more fun than profit taker ever was

[quiet laurel]

make arena endo not be able to force spawn the enemies

i think thats all viable farms left

oh and make cascade exolizer rotations be 5 minutes

and make arcane drops not affected by mod booster

pls DE I am begging you

[mighty flare]

there's aura recommendations already included, just pick whichevers better fit for you

[drifting kiln]

I think you might be overreacting a bit, would be better if you instead made a forum post to give feedback about it, focusing on why you think that farm was healthy for the game, because while it had some annoying jank like the interactions with framerate, they could for instance rework the lecta's passive to match the old farm's efficiency without relying on broken interactions

[queen summit]

if they just buff the passive itll all be fine again

[solar reef]

i specifically was refereing to the effect of the mod itself

Which does not change in value

[drifting kiln]

yeah exactly, we don't need to doom about it, let's just respectfully pester them about it

[solar reef]

Obviously a decrese in heat stat means less heat damage

[quiet laurel]

DE has been removing all the fun stuff recently so yes I'll continue to react like this if they continue to do so

[solar reef]

DE has selective hearing with forum posts

[queen summit]

what else have they removed? havent been checking the patchnotes much for the past year

[quiet laurel]

if recent game updates were good in compensation I wouldnt complain as much either

but recent updates have been dry

[drifting kiln]

recent game updates? my brother in wally have you seen the old peace?

[solar reef]

thats one major that hit in the last year or so

And the post-quest content is super dry for it

The follie content sucked
isleweaver sucked

[quiet laurel]

vinq tech, holding missions, cyte sobek client fix but added new bug of client delay on when the resupply actually applies to your magazine and these are arbi explusive, dont know about much else outside of arbis

[quiet laurel]

recent game updates have been 50% skin marketing, 20% story content (which is decent tbf) and 30% gameplay, and 50 of that 30% gameplay content is either just plain ass/boring or badly designed

[latent jetty]

Hey, is there any other ways of getting ammo efficiency on guns, outside of energized munitions?

[quiet laurel]

it just feels like DE is trying their hardest to add some content to their skin updates

[queen summit]

arcane primary crux comes to mind

[solar reef]

But but but protoframe! update good protoframe!

heirloom! thank you DE! thank you!

[drifting kiln]

isleweaver wasn't that bad, what made it suck is damage attenuation. post quest content for the old peace is a lot: operator remaster, focus expansion, 2 extra modes, new protos, lore drops, weapons
sure the protos are skins, I don't particularly care about them as skins, but as characters they're neat

[latent jetty]

Dear god... You're RIGHT tysmmm

[rose wedge]

what is the difference between max ammo and magazine capacity on an archgun mod?

[rancid mirage]

also some incarnon perks

[fierce lark]

the old peace was a great story bit and the equipment it gave us was pretty cool, uriel and the vinquibus are great

but oh my god perita is dogshit content, and tbf descendia has devolved into a situational arcane farm

[solar reef]

the post quest content for TOP is literally just 20-40 hours of mindless perita grind and Descendia which loses all of its value after you get roathe relationship

[fierce lark]

also perita was ungodly levels of buggy for the first several weeks of release

[rancid mirage]

but you get 100% w crux and energized so uh

[drifting kiln]

descendia's rewards are what make it kinda mid, and yeah perita is very grindy that I agree, especially with how buggy it was

[quiet laurel]

perita was also a fps reducing mess

[queen summit]

perita is ass i agree, it was cool the first couple of times but performance sucks and the amount of times you need to run it for a tauron strike makes you suicidal

[quiet laurel]

recent new combat or gamemode additions are just not well thought of when they are designed and it shows a lot

[fierce lark]

the amount you had to run it, the amount of time you spent not killing things because you had to do annoying pickup objectives and running between objectives (without archwing which is the only thing that makes open world tolerable)

[drifting kiln]

meanwhile shadowgrapher with follie's hunt... yeah that one is hard to defend, they messed up with that mode

[fierce lark]

and then the amount of times the 5 dropships objective would just bug out and not spawn them

[solar reef]

we have a severe lack of good content
DE absolutely should know by now that we like endless modes, and they keep adding gimmick sprints that turn into slogs to grind

[fierce lark]

so the game just softlocks until the timer

[severe bough]

Void flood with black tint 🥀

Worst mode ever fr

[quiet laurel]

its like DE is actively trying to avoid speedrunning, mechanics where players can improve on based on skill and some more difficulty spikes in general

[rancid mirage]

they gotta make survival speed up spawn more often

[fierce lark]

i used to hate void flood, idk why at some point i kinda just started tolerating it and now i'll actually do it if it's the only omnia

i preferred it to conj survival but i haven't played much since the survival buffs

[solar reef]

All whilst adding modes that seem to like speedrunning

[drifting kiln]

I will say traversal between perita objectives is fine, it's just you grind it for tauron strikes it doesn't take long for it to get old

the anchors make it really fast

[fierce lark]

i would understand this approach if the game was competitive and they wanted to make bad/casual/relaxed players have a better "chance" at competing with others, but like even things that are speedrun-focused can be done at your own pace, you can take as long as you want with spy exterm sabotage etc

[quiet laurel]

and then are just "collect this, bring it to that, wait a minute, go to either next objective or finish the mission, but no with next objective this is not meant in an endless way, we specifically designed multiple time gated objectives for 1 rotation reward cause f you dear player"

[fierce lark]

catering to the bottom half in a game where everything can be played at the user's pace is aids

[sturdy walrus]

which augment I shoud pick for frost

[fierce lark]

there's at least 3 that are worth having

[solar reef]

you need at least two of them to make him any good

[drifting kiln]

yeah timer objectives suck, there's too many and they're too frequent, that I def agree

[fierce lark]

i dont remember what any of them are called lol, the passive crit on frozen targets and the one that makes avalanch give ppl overguard

and then the cold dmg on holding 1

[sturdy walrus]

which two should I start with

[solar reef]

If you’re new, avalanche augment

[fierce lark]

the 1 aug and 4 aug imo

[severe bough]

It seems like next update will be just 2 "new" survivals with different colors on railjack corpus ships

[solar reef]

hes also got the one augment that acts like shock trooper or embers augment

[fierce lark]

you don't really need the passive augment, it's just more damage vs frozen target

[quiet laurel]

cant wait

[rancid mirage]

imo icy avalanche and biting frost but most tougher enemies have status cap so i feel that biting frost is useless most of case

[severe bough]

will be fire🔥

[quiet laurel]

all players asked for is new railjack content with no reworks to it whatsoever I heard

release more railjack content in the shit state it is in rn

[severe bough]

I think railjack is great

[fierce lark]

icy avalanch and freeze force are the ones you want, biting frost is optional as it only affects frozen enemies

icy avalanch turns you into bad dante, freeze force is just a lot of extra weapon damage added as cold

[severe bough]

Bruh the cant be real theree need to be smth the got in there bag to pull out

[solar reef]

I dont even use avalanche’s augment since its cast is too slow for me to feel comfortable gating with it

I just cata shields + augur

[fierce lark]

i think i threw 2 cast shards on my frost

[quiet laurel]

nah, 2 new missions for the frame parts and their respective weapon, pity vendor and no changes to gameplay or just play destiny 2 dear tenno

[severe bough]

🥀 🥀 🥀

At least i got my plat ready to never play that mode

[quiet laurel]

pls just play capture on earth on non SP with a protoframe equipped and constantly do gemini emote with 1 hand while watching garuda lick herself

this is the content we want

[severe bough]

Peak 🔥

Hopefully no arbi nerf🥀

Dont do it like aya

[quiet laurel]

it'll happen, there already is a forum post about a big thing we use

it wont kill arbis but it'll nerf it a lot

[severe bough]

gg..

I mean they alr fixed dd

[quiet laurel]

not so much on interceptions but on defenses

[vale abyss]

building nokko, any recommendations?

[quiet laurel]

oh yeah they fixed that too

they recently fixed holding missions

[severe bough]

Fr??

[timber monolith]

anyone have a decent SP enkaus build?

[severe bough]

In General or like only arbi

[rancid mirage]

mor duration unless like casting more often

[quiet laurel]

well for arbis, since the arbi changes every hour, we usually had multiple people hold the mission by selecting it but not starting it so that we can play high tier arbis even when they arent active
we did this for multiple hours or even days
but now if you want to reinvite someone on a held mission and its after the full hour, other players cant join the mission anymore

[severe bough]

gg

Cant they cook again like back when zariman came out

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[quiet laurel]

impossible, 2 protoskins per update, 1 heirloom per update, 5 fixes on popular and fun bugs, 10 additional game breaking bugs and a middle finger or just uninstall the game

[rancid mirage]

i mean do you think holding missions to bypass time gated s tier arbi is something that they should keep it?

[quiet laurel]

yes, vitus legit doesnt crash the market

vitus is just there for riven gambling

so it has no effect on DEs "nerf everything that can impact market" agenda

[severe bough]

What i also find crazy is that "sticking" is consider a exploit and can end up in a ban

[queen summit]

sticking?

[rancid mirage]

wydm by sticking

[severe bough]

Gascade

[quiet laurel]

being close to each other?

[rancid mirage]

is it for ppl to take afk break in endurence or is it manipulating the spawn of exo

[oblique dust]

Is an enervate peacemaker build a dps upgrade at all if my mesa is already on topaz shard/hotshot/cascadia flare bu

[quiet laurel]

neither

[mighty flare]

no

[oblique dust]

Thank god

[rancid mirage]

what is purpose of sticking

[quiet laurel]

I wont explain it here obviously

[mighty flare]

being close to each other

[rancid mirage]

ok

[quiet laurel]

I do tend to stay true to my word of gatekeeping

[quiet laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050078382018265178/1454397083413909630/ezgif-395a166e2e34663d.gif

[severe bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150797852029767781/1500375305528016947/meme.gif

[mighty flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1483927282526585095/attachment.gif

[mighty flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050078382018265178/1454397083413909630/ezgif-395a166e2e34663d.gif

[quiet laurel]

the what

[severe bough]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-popcat-pop-cat-gif-1365315458051141788

I cant wait for the new update fr🥀

I need to sell my ballistica riv finally

Be good incarnon

[quiet laurel]

I do hope story is good

[severe bough]

The track is actually fire

[quiet laurel]

one peace story I didnt enjoy much tbh

[subtle solstice]

gooseworx be like:

[mighty flare]

who

[severe bough]

Well lets see what they bring with the next dev stream talkn bout the story and frame

[subtle solstice]

aw

[quiet laurel]

frame might lowkey be exciting

[severe bough]

One thing im actually hyped for

[quiet laurel]

but ever since follie I dont have high hopes with new frames 💀

[severe bough]

Mabye a exalted frame

Idk

Gonna have everything anyways

[quiet laurel]

anyway I'll go cry myself to sleep while thinking about lecta farm

[severe bough]

My game crashed mid lecta farm 🥀

[fierce lark]

your lecta farm crashed too dw

https://klipy.com/gifs/star-wars-ahsoka-3--k01KQZJM54K9DCD4ESWC4X20765

the only secura i want

[brittle geode]

the secura lecta was done SO DIRTY that it turned me into a red text hater

[latent adder]

Xata

[next bridge]

i got told my crit out damages xata so xata isnt good no more, is that not true?

[latent adder]

No

Magistar hits like tier 3 crits minimum

Tier 5 with riven

Xata is a separate multiplier and occasionally is double dipped due to cloudwalker

[solar reef]

blast xatas 🤑

[next bridge]

im jus learning to use wukong, his cloudwalker double dips with xata whisper?

[latent adder]

For melee and only occasionally yes

Its not very consistent

Xata double dips stealth multiplier

Cloudwalker sometimes counts as stealth when u slam out of it

[solar reef]

that isnt even mentioned in the wiki notes for it

the stealth bonus I mean

[brittle geode]

you're learning to use wukong? my tip,

don't.

[next bridge]

?

[glacial gorge]

Hi got some question. I played circuit earlier and saw players using operator/drifter shooting homing ricochet projectile. I am very impressed by it and hoping to know how to build that. Does anyone know?

[fierce lark]

it's likely the Phahd scaffold (x4x)

build any amp with that and hit altfire

phahd scaffold, certus brace (or lohrin if you can't get certus yet), and either cantic or raplak prism (cantic better/easier to use) is the most widely used general purpose amp

altfire is as you said, a bouncing homing glaive that is very good for clearing groups. both primary fires do high single target damage. raplak is a single shot almost sniper-like, cantic is a burst fire shot

[glacial gorge]

ah i see thanks for the info. got to farm that later

[unborn crow]

Does anyone have a nice Basmu build?

[subtle solstice]

is any of this stuff worth getting except jade and the harmony?

[wanton oriole]

Those are some really good arcanes yep, but they also aren't event exclusive

[subtle solstice]

are they all good or are there only specific ones?

[wanton oriole]

The only one i haven't used among them is secondary surge so I can't speak for that one, apart from that they're really neat. Like mellee afflictions can work well with harmony

[subtle solstice]

i see

[severe bough]

Battery afflictions fortifier are the Most important

[cedar flint]

is this good?

[severe bough]

But just get all👍

[cedar flint]

what are some good weapons with alt firing modes to use with uriel? i wanna ply and destroy people

[fierce lark]

bubonico is the only one i know of that would actually work well with the AC130 gimmick

most of the ones i know of with aoe have to be charged with primary fire

[marble marten]

Is radiation/magnetic/corrosion in Bubonico Coda okay?

[dense peak]

Could I use harus instead of shade for this build for nokko or no cause I want resourceful retriever

[near vortex]

Yeah you can use huras

[wary forge]

dont go rad progen

[gleaming vapor]

isnt rad better than mag progen

so you can run mag strafe

[severe bough]

Either tox or mag i prefer tox so u can use either viral elec or corro (with external viral). U alr got easy acess to magnetic from mag strafe aswell as some fire rate on top

[simple frost]

What subsumed ability do i put on grendel?

[sharp portal]

Any great build for Enkaus?

Mine's decent, but can be way better

[wary forge]

roar

[wary forge]

send it

[simple frost]

Btw i subsumed three frames and fed the silly dude 100% of everything how can i increase the level so i get more slots

[wary forge]

subsume more

[simple frost]

I have no slots

[near vortex]

Subsume stuff into other frames

Like what did you feed already?

[simple frost]

Ohhh

[simple frost]

I fed him valkyr, yareli and excalibur

I named the thing garry by the way

[simple frost]

I gave aquablades to valkyr prime instead of her paralysis thing

I thought that it would be pretty cool since i mostly hit with her 4 anyways

So more close distance dps

[sharp portal]

Its in Spanish

[solar reef]

rad progen is a pretty popular choice for it

[sharp portal]

▪︎ Serration
▪︎ Vital Sense
▪︎ Galvanized Apttitude
▪︎ Galvanized Chamber
▪︎ Sinister Reach
▪︎ And the one with electric damage

All at Max Rank

I just spent 1 Forma so stills moldeable

[solar reef]

why aptitude and serration together

it isnt multiCO

[sharp portal]

Free damage I guess, thats why I ask

[solar reef]

no reason to throw two additive damage mods on there when theres just better choices to make

[sharp portal]

Thats why I ask²

[solar reef]

https://overframe.gg/build/1000871/enkaus/enkaus-electric-dps/
ideally heres what you’d want to run

high voltage being the flex slot

for either rivens or, preferably, faction mods

[sharp portal]

Wasn't Overframe considered a bad example for builds according to all people here

[solar reef]

yesnt

overframe, generally, is a sketch place

Ninjase is a very well regarded builder

He’s probably the only person you can blindly trust there, though he does miss from time to time

[sharp portal]

Im not that away of the build so, I can improve from where I get

Just chaning things

[solar reef]

but yeah, ultimately you’ll pull more out of by dropping serration

aptitude fills its role

[sharp portal]

No problem

Btw

When its good using Serration or Hornet Strike?

I've seen is not always the best option

[solar reef]

Theres two answers to this

[sharp portal]

🐴

[solar reef]

A: Weapon/gimmick doesnt scale with Aptitude/Condition Overload

B: You’re using something just isnt priming fast enough

You should never be in option B, as thats a build issue

[sharp portal]

Dang

[solar reef]

For 9/10 weapons in the game you’ll use Galvanized Aptitude instead of Serration

[opal leaf]

I have a feeling primary Merciless is holding back some of my builds

[sharp portal]

Dang²

[solar reef]

The only exceptions being AOE weapons that scale with GunCO

Some weapons are MultiCO and want both serration AND galv. aptitude

[opal leaf]

Malz, correct me if I'm wrong. But Serration + Primary Merciless will give Diminishing returns in some cases right?

[solar reef]

in some cases yeah

[sharp portal]

I've just realized how to ged Primed Shred...

[solar reef]

ultimately if you have no better options you can just run it

[solar reef]

Primed Shred isn’t necessary

[sharp portal]

Any replacement recomendation?

I need at least another year

[solar reef]

you can use either Vigilante Fervor or Vile Acceleration

if you arent using any other vigilante mods, I would just use Vile Acceleration

[sharp portal]

Well then

[solar reef]

you’ll lose some additive damage but its amount you can comfortably lose assuming you’re using Galv. Aptitude correctly

[sharp portal]

At least I got those Galvanized at max rank

[opal leaf]

Because (yes... Acceltra....)
It might be redundant using merciless when I can put Deadhead... Right?

[solar reef]

on weapons with headshot multipliers you should be using Deadhead instead

[wary forge]

just dont use the aceltra

[solar reef]

that too

[opal leaf]

But.... The Moto skin in it ;~; and it's... It's... A rapid boom boom gun

[opal leaf]

Hmm... Let's go to Trumna cause aside his Main fire. It felt weak

Alt fire, I have no problem. It booms acolytes like... I'm not gonna make the joke but ya

[solar reef]

Trumna is way cooler

[opal leaf]

I know, I just like the Skin acceltra has so that's why I've been using it

[faint hatch]

Cyte should be pretty good at eidolon hunts, right?

[pale belfry]

Yes but you have to put more effort than a volt

[faint hatch]

Yeah I figured... I've got Volt hyper meta'd out for hunts and am just looking for something "fresh"

[pale belfry]

Nova should be the next choice

Or you could run cyte

[sturdy walrus]

What would be the best primary kitgun in the game

[summer crest]

I got a riven for the sporelacer, I wanna build it as a secondary, what pieces should I use?

[solar reef]

probably either sporelacer vermisplicer or tombfinger

they're all sorta just whatever though and most if not all of them are better as secondaries

kitguns really need a second wind, I dont think DE will ever give them one though

[cedar flint]

what incarnons are worth it this week?

[silk sphinx]

Angstrum, Boar, and Gammacor

The Boar is a must have but the others are preference.

[solar reef]

boar is the only "wow!"

everything else is just ok

[silk sphinx]

I heard the Prisma Angstrum with its incarnon was pretty good.

[solar reef]

theyre all pretty good

but compared to other competitive weapons they just arent noteworthy

[wary forge]

Boar angstrum

[wary forge]

It’s good but compared to furis,dtox,laetum it’s mid

It’s really strong with xatas whisper tho

[silk sphinx]

I’m working on my Furis, have the DTox, and need to work on my Laetum.

[marble marten]

Jesús wrong chat lol

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[marble marten]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-future-revolution-loki-king-tron-king-tron3099-kingpin-gif-25693680

[barren birch]

anyways other than loki putting weird stuff

I am once again asking for assistance with building my Amesha

[gleaming oasis]

is there anything special I need to know when modding the tenet diplos?

[violet silo]

boar!

https://tenor.com/view/boar-gif-1203800325314901070

[vital glade]

when building for protea

is efficiency basically useless

[elfin sluice]

if standing still, yes

[vital glade]

fairs

[glass moon]

should i subsume roar on kullervos 4 for a melee focused build

or nourish instead

[celest tendon]

Roar maybe

[solar reef]

shock

Shock Trooper Kullervo

[valid cargo]

Whats the best element for noctua?

[fierce lark]

roar, nourish adds viral weighting which lowers elec weighting

or shock with shock trooper if you want to run a primed smite on your weapon instead

[cobalt kite]

guys how do I get condition overload

[fierce lark]

random drop in camb drift i think

[cobalt kite]

Bruh

[bitter wasp]

i got them

[fierce lark]

it's like 10p on wf market just buy it from some1

[glass moon]

what if i dont plan to use influence melees on kullervo

just heavy spam stuff with big slash

like the harmony

no primed smite mods either

[cobalt kite]

so I made a mistake

And currently have 1 plat

[glass moon]

then sell something for plat

[rich glacier]

You can play with whatever you want. You don't need to follow the meta to have fun. My cyte09 brrrrrrakata is not meta but super fun and doesn't struggle with lvl cap.

[fierce lark]

need roar then

nothing else really makes sense, and im pretty sure faction dmg triple dips the expedite hit

could run lycaths if you wanted even more energy ig

[glass moon]

does anything look off

[fierce lark]

on kullervo specifically, CO+galv steel is gonna be much better than sacs

CO caveat being you have a primer, ppp otherwise

persistence on kullervo is pretty useless unless you’re doing doing exactly levelcap

if you are that’s fine, if not i would just use strike/fury

[gleaming orchid]

Is it at all possible to have both viral and corrosive on an adversary weapon? I'm looking to extract full value out of the Mecha set

[fierce lark]

so aside from nourish, saryn 1 aug and cyte/lavos infusions which will allow you to have both on any gun, the synapse, caustacyst, catabolyst, hema and pathocyst have one or the other innate

[civic garden]

is Cedo's Alt-Fire affected by Multishot

[crisp pine]

Could someone help with this build for mag. SHE KEEPS DYING

wrong build

[gleaming orchid]

Ah it's not possible outside of all that is it? That's sad but thank you

[gleaming orchid]

Adaptation

[crisp pine]

that does jack and she dies before it even come into play

[versed harbor]

u dont need catalyzing shields on mag basically ever cuz her 3/4 instantly get all your shields back

id just invest more into her offense and focus on high kpm and using magnetize on choke points

[crisp pine]

you mean spamming crush?

[versed harbor]

u could spam if you want ig

[gleaming orchid]

Really? That's odd. Do her abilities nullify it?

[versed harbor]

nah shes just not a good hp tank

and shield tanking also isnt rly good for her

[gleaming orchid]

What's their best bet then? A Raksha Kubrow or subsuming remedium?

[crisp pine]

she has plenty of that already. But I am using that bow to stack but before she can it just dies mid process

[versed harbor]

shield gate

[gleaming orchid]

Isn't that what they're already doing tho

[crisp pine]

if i am going to do that I am sending her into the persistence jail.

[mighty flare]

mag gets a longer shield gate than catalyzing, dont need brief respite or augur mods

she also gains crowd control from her augments, use those too

[versed harbor]

u could also build more range for breach surge cc, run rolling guard

[crisp pine]

believe or not I did run rolling guard but she still dies

[versed harbor]

what weapon are u using on her?

[mighty flare]

neither of the builds use her magnetize augment

[crisp pine]

the infinite punch bow

[mighty flare]

not good for mag

[versed harbor]

nataruk or cinta?

[gleaming orchid]

If you don't use your guns you could always do a Huras Kubrow

[crisp pine]

it was one of the ones recommended for magnetize.

[mighty flare]

from who

[versed harbor]

I think its usable but not like peak mag ig

[crisp pine]

I literally cannot remember as its been a while since i assembled this build

[mighty flare]

not really, sorta but very poor

[versed harbor]

and if ur having issues a new weapon might help

[crisp pine]

also that not magnetize augment. its armour stripping crush

[mighty flare]

you use both

[versed harbor]

u can use both

[novel bear]

Why subsume over 3, pull doesn’t do much when her 2 exists

[versed harbor]

naw pull is good

[novel bear]

Polarize is better

[mighty flare]

i'd suggest you look at: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1489188519929970838
for gen mag tips & build example, you dont need lazy gate on mag

[versed harbor]

2 only pulls enemies in if the magnetized enemy lives

polarize is just a fast 1 handed shield restore

3 or 4 are subsume slot always imo

[mighty flare]

its personal preference, not that important

not 4

[crisp pine]

bad news is that cannot get the augment

[versed harbor]

also only other thing is looks like energy could be kinda low with just energize flow cuz shes a bit spammy

u've got room for whatever u want rly cuz catalyzing + fast deflection arent useful

[crisp pine]

well no augment

[crisp pine]

Okay still die way too often

[crisp pine]

i do and i do not own one of those

[cedar flint]

im tryna build this as a status machine but idk how to mod so i assembled this

[ivory pulsar]

stug incarn will have innate corro and can be modded for viral

[versed harbor]

u dont need hunter munitions try replace that with vital sense, and focus on maxing ur primary merciless / deadhead

[crisp pine]

I have completely lose it MY MIND. I CANNOT get MAG TO WORK WITH SHIELDs. I have given up. YOu are health tank now

[versed harbor]

aeolak has multiplicative gun co so itll help alot if u have that base dmg from the arcane and you get lots of statuses on enemys to buff galv aptitude

[crisp pine]

she is such garbage frame for shields

[versed harbor]

what mission are u playing to struggle on btw?

[crisp pine]

it just SP surivial. BASIC surivival. most frame can work in sp surivial.

her kpm is half ass as MAGENTIZE does not pull things enough

she get shot to hell and does not live

[versed harbor]

ye pull helps for that

have u tried any diff weapons on her?

[crisp pine]

yes, the arca plasma which also have. We still have surivability problems due to her not hitting the entire room.

[versed harbor]

u gotta put magnetize on choke points and itll protect u

[crisp pine]

even at its near largest range. its not enough.

espeically without the augment. She can't live

persistance is just the naughty corner for framesi cannot survive

[versed harbor]

I feel like that might be worse tbh

[crisp pine]

she plays worse than pre-rework oberon with shields

[versed harbor]

naw

[crisp pine]

she might as bad as prerework hydroid

[half cedar]

Recently got a 50% elec Kuva Quartakk, is this still a solid and fun weapon to use?

[crimson cedar]

You need just 2 mods to be near un-killable with Mag (except tox damage/procs), without spend ressources to have persist arcane, and manage enough heal ( gloom, furis ... )
Catalysing shields + 1 augur mod ( on the frame, or secondary, or sentinel weapon (if secondary type like burst rifle) ), or brief respite aura.
I'm not a Mag player, iirc she can steal shields from ennemies (with shield as corpus, techrot ...) problem solved

[crimson cedar]

mid kuva weapon

[crisp pine]

I have been told that cat shields and augar mods or brief respite are bad for mag.

[versed harbor]

ye they are but she could still survive tbh just not getting any benefit from it

[lunar blade]

I mean 1 button you go full cap overshield while also AoE removing armor, adaptation reach shields x9, if you still want more survivability put Aegis. I never had an issue with mag on sp

[crisp pine]

That button is expensive and i barely get enough energy back from her magnetize kills to the point where i am net negative on energy even while max range.

Problem with shield gating often times is energy economy is garbage.

[lunar blade]

Get Arcane Energize 👌

[versed harbor]

u do have like synth deconstruct n that right

have u tried slotting streamline

[crisp pine]

i did try with energize. It was not enough.

[crisp pine]

Or i might do the dante method.

Let break out long post.

[versed harbor]

or maybe some kind of external energy source like a helminth or grimoire?

[crude prawn]

Then "status machine" you are working on seem have a low status-chance ngl, can you ss the unique trait?

[crisp pine]

-Arcane energize
-arcane steadfast
-norish
-book with xata tome mod
-archon stretch
-equalibrium
-synth deconstruct
I will use in combination

All

This was enough sustain my dante casts

And i cast a lot.

Per a sec

[cedar flint]

you can subsume weapon traits?!

[crude prawn]

No? I mean screenshot it 😭

[versed harbor]

nah aeolak status isnt rly anything crazy

[crude prawn]

If it can, my Paracesis might deal negative not only 2B

[cedar flint]

idk how to get the status chance higher

[crisp pine]

Problem is that if i am cast that much crush per sec there is small downside of not having kpm

[cedar flint]

i think it has to be my warframe choice that holds my weapon back

[crude prawn]

Nightmare mods tho, and there bronze mod and crux

[versed harbor]

u shouldnt be spamming crush like that anyway u shouldnt need it

it sounds like u wanna tank with a shield gate when thats not how it works

[crisp pine]

More like that what i need. As i need 0.1% death rate as i do zero dps while dead

[versed harbor]

:/

[crude prawn]

what about this?

[lunar blade]

2x Tau Str Shards and you're at cap with armor removal. 1x Tau effectivness on energy orbs. I added a blue health one to not die to a infested fart. And 1 parkour shard. Magnetize augment also add +45% range.

[crude prawn]

Well, Hildryin always like it tho so think of getting a shieldgating automatic, i can think of that little boy

[crisp pine]

I forget to mention i do not have one augment though. The magnetized discharge. But what counter pulse?

[lunar blade]

it jams enemy weapon. that's all. you can skip it but it's just to say she was working so fine I didn't know what else to put xD

[versed harbor]

ye its pretty good crowd control but its for her 3

helps if u keep her 3 but u have breach surge which blinds

[cedar flint]

got around to it

[crisp pine]

Do you even have the problem with it not hitting whole room? Also i do not have a way pop the bubble.

[crude prawn]

You still really want the status?

[cedar flint]

i mean idk what else to do tbh, im not good at modding so i try putting as many statuses on a gun as i can

[crude prawn]

Put the scope away, you got it mean of aiming at head for crit right?

But your gun not good at crit much so go with it it not really affective and might output highest is orange

[versed harbor]

u basically build aeolak like any other vanilla rifle which is gaptitude + galv chamber + crit chance and crit dmg + an element + fire rate

it has multiplicative gun co so itll benefit alot from statuses on enemies but u should get these from elsewhere cuz aeolak doesnt apply that many

[crude prawn]

Put in damage, you can ignore the vital sense if yoi go with full status of it. Put in Serration in Galvalnized Scope. Don't use Poin Strike cause really you won't hit crit damage and that not likely not often so vital sense just also not often.

Adding more damage and mutishot in from 2 slot of Vital Sense and Point Strike

[crisp pine]

Is magnetized not worth it if i do not have that augment?

[cedar flint]

what does "multiplicative gun co" mean?

[crude prawn]

He don't have critical delay so it sad

Basically tragic and point strike not even work well within Vital Sense in that case tho

[versed harbor]

galv scope can go as the crit chance mod if its raw dmg

or elec

[crude prawn]

If you shot at head but ut at 51% of crit so it not work well

How about he test both way?

[versed harbor]

I mean u can but the main thing holding the build back is the low level primary arcane tbh cuz of the multiplicative gaptitude

thats aeolaks main selling point rly

[crude prawn]

So mine will be:

• Gal Aptitude
• Gal Chamber
• Serration
• Cryo Rounds
• Magliagant Force
• Magnetic Capacity
• Hellfire
• Vigilante Armaments

[cedar flint]

so to my understanding i use gaptitude, gamber, serration, fire rate, element, vital sense?

[cedar flint]

okay thats more concise

[crude prawn]

You can try my first

This tend to make more damages as possible to make the blast also buff tho. Multishot can increase the chance of status apply since it close to proc and also boost the damage. So yea you can test it out first

[cedar flint]

i'll try it out for sure

[crude prawn]

Loooking foward your feedback ✨

[crisp pine]

Anyone else know if i should just do a non-magnetized build of mag

[crude prawn]

You want to remove "mag" from "magenetic"?

[versed harbor]

magnetize is ur most important ability

[dusky bane]

Cursed

What's the point of playing mag without that

[crisp pine]

What else i could do... her kpm is not very high without the augment. Because she does not good clear without it. I need build omega tanky. Its the same problem in poe

[crisp pine]

Right now she is as bad as prebuff hydroid

[versed harbor]

you dont even need the 2 augment to kill its just a nice bit of range

[dusky bane]

Insane take

[crisp pine]

For insane person her

[dusky bane]

Mag hasn't been bad I think ever

[crude prawn]

My LR6bro main mag, hold on let me ask him

He like 2 with the bubble and yes, with breach surge or someother idea

[crisp pine]

Then why am i dying

[crisp pine]

I lost my mind like true exile and made persistence mag

[fierce lark]

im waiting for someone to drop the "skill issue"

[dusky bane]

Likely your build

Potentially your play style

[versed harbor]

heres like a rly generic rifle build on aeolak (im missing a mod slot cuz ive not fully forma'd it but its a flex slot anyway) first row of enemies was no priming second was with priming

no external frame buffs either which are rly good for this thing

[crisp pine]

Likely this but no idea

[dusky bane]

Could be both

[crisp pine]

I literally copied what most people here are suggesting then running it and it does not work and just keep dying

[versed harbor]

if u arent priming u should use viral heat otherwise corrosive or corro cold

[cedar flint]

i will also try this config when i re level it up, i just forma'd it

[dusky bane]

Mind sending a pic?

[crisp pine]

#builds-discussion message

The empty space was then fill with stretch

[dusky bane]

Oh, you removed her survivability no?

Wasn't her 1 the subsume slot

[crisp pine]

I did switched it and still was not enough

[opal leaf]

Huh

[cedar flint]

what are good primer elements? this is my Kuva Nukor

[opal leaf]

Can't go wrong with slotting omamori

It's a decent/good thing for Survivability

[dusky bane]

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend removing her 3

[crisp pine]

Tried it and still was dying

[versed harbor]

this would do the trick tbh u have all the elements you'd want

[dusky bane]

Use this

[versed harbor]

ye this is a better pure primer focused build

[opal leaf]

Skill issue I guess

Mag has been the best at Doing Cc and survivability

I don't understand how. She has CC, can control the battlefield and can create a window for herself (her 3)

Vauban and Mag are the ones who caught my eye when it comes to CC and survivability

I need to get Mag prime to set the stone tbh

[crisp pine]

There is a reason why go for extremely tanky frames mostly. Or invisiblity for that meatter or i build for extreme defense

[versed harbor]

cloak arrow mag time 💀

[crude prawn]

primer and you already pick the Nukor, it a broomba, Nukor clean your room not prime enemy

[dusky bane]

Being lazy, yes

[opal leaf]

Yeah that's where youll get fumbled...yiu develop a bad habit.

.try modding Mag again, use Shield Gate or such. The problem is ... in your playstyle

[crisp pine]

Forgot comment on that rhe rotation is such though for her. I will see to use that and maybe it will be better. The fact it has a bit of mmo rotation is something else.

[cedar flint]

uh.. what?

im confused

[dusky bane]

Nukor is like the traditional pick for a primer

[opal leaf]

It's a broom, and a Bomb

A nickname or title for the ones who can "clean rooms"

[versed harbor]

I think theyre saying why prime with nukor when u can kill with it

which like ye nukor will out dps aeolak but

[dusky bane]

Never heard of that tbh

[opal leaf]

Nukor be cleaning rooms

[dusky bane]

Ye, secondaries tend to be stronger

[opal leaf]

I just made "Broomba" a meaning so that he can understand hahahah

[versed harbor]

but let me live my cool rifle dreams

[cedar flint]

ngl nukor is my main dmg dealer atm as i cant find a primary to actually be like cracked out and i personally try to not choose meta picks because i like feeling unique

[opal leaf]

me with Acceltra

[crisp pine]

Maybe after a bit. Got remove the 4 blue shards i stuck in her for persistance though. I almost spent 4 tau forged blues on her. Also, i don't main her and maybe i just do not get her kit entirely.

[opal leaf]

Ay... I know it's a bad gun... I'm not denying it

It just look cool XDD

[opal leaf]

Why Persistence on her...?

She is not your typical frame that can handle a health tank

[cedar flint]

Acceltra is bad?

[opal leaf]

Very mediocre

It's a mid of a gun

[versed harbor]

its rly reliant on external buffing n stuff

[crisp pine]

I lost my mind trying fix the issues. #builds-discussion message

[opal leaf]

You don't go Persistence on her.

You go Lazy Gate

That's why you keep dying

[crisp pine]

Yeah funny thing i tried first.

[opal leaf]

You used the wrong type of Survivability on a frame that is very squishy

[cedar flint]

hmmmmmmmm i think im gonna try using Mirage alongside Kuva Nukor

[opal leaf]

Use aoe weapons on mirage :3

[crisp pine]

The progression of my mag:
Regular shield tank + shield gate > lazy shield gating > better shield gating using 4 > persistence

Missed a couple of steps between but yeah basically this

[opal leaf]

Do you know how to lazy shield gate?

What are the mods needed for Lazy shield gating

[crude prawn]

im backk

[crude prawn]

so how with the Aeolak build?

[crisp pine]

Omonari+vigor vigliance+cat shields+ the other recharge +brief respite+arcane aegis

[cedar flint]

i like it

[crude prawn]

i lazy of priming so it like my build mostly of getting billion damage from raw things

[opal leaf]

No... That's too much

Fast deflection+Vigilant Vigor+Catalysing shields and Arcane Aegis only

[crude prawn]

still try to make the recognifex did sth sane but it just decent with 1M on Babau head

[opal leaf]

That's lazy shield gating

[crude prawn]

🥺 i'm glad of myself about that

[crisp pine]

I actually tried that and it was still not enough.

There were many many iternations

[dusky bane]

Lowkey even aegis is just optional

[dusky bane]

How tf

[opal leaf]

I doubt

Try it again

You are just being lazy

[dusky bane]

Are you not killing anything

[opal leaf]

I agree

[opal leaf]

He must've been standing and "tanking" shit

[crisp pine]

No i was actually killing things but still dying

[versed harbor]

yee I said this b4 its just a playstyle issue maybe

[cedar flint]

though the more i look at it, the more i think to myself understanding why the Aeolak is a starter pack weapon

[opal leaf]

Ya probably

[crisp pine]

None of the frame i have can really do that type of thing anyways you have be active. Maybe rev but you got kill something for energy for the most part.

Maybe just a baby tenno with mastery rank

Or just rev player this entire time

[opal leaf]

And which are the frames that can't?

[dusky bane]

It's not THAT bad lmao

I used it in SP just fine

Is it a worse stahlta? Yes
Is it bad? No

[cedar flint]

i know its not bad

but there is a reason they choose it

[opal leaf]

I have to lock in on Stahlta and see what is the hype around that hahahah

[dusky bane]

Primary plinx basically

Weaker alt fire, but not by much
And usable primary fire

And the alt fire aoe isn't awful

[opal leaf]

Not buff reliant?

[dusky bane]

It can be with higher levels sadly

[crisp pine]

Here the list of frame i just have as it is the entire list except for my rev. All these framws cannot just sit there passively. Gara,khora, wisp, mesa, citirine, dagath, dante, noko, garuda, syarn, harrow, styranax, jade, cyte09, oberon, titania, kullervo and valkyr.

[opal leaf]

Ah it make sense, as long as In base SP not buff reliant

[dusky bane]

Why would you want to sit passively 😭

[opal leaf]

Why would you sit there passively

See that's the problem...

[dusky bane]

This shit ain't cookie clicker

[crisp pine]

Sir i do not sit there passively

[opal leaf]

I knew something is wrong bc Mag? Died in using lazy shield gating?

Fck no

[cedar flint]

whats stahtla?

[dusky bane]

You literally just said you didn't like the frames cause they can't do it

[opal leaf]

I doubt that

[dusky bane]

Rev main brainrot fr fr

[dusky bane]

A gun

[opal leaf]

Bad habits fr

[crisp pine]

I mistype maybe as i am on mo blie at the moment

[crisp pine]

I did not use rev at all bro i rsrely use him

[opal leaf]

I doubt, once again hahah

The frames you just listed are basically Very Good at surviving

With CC, Good Survivability, and strong attacks

[crisp pine]

Okay are we going have argurment i said that they cannot surivive if yiu do NOTHING. But i am saying the mag cannot surive even while DOING something

[crisp pine]

Do not twist my words

[opal leaf]

That's why I doubt it

You "tried" anything else and yet I can see my friends can survive Base SP or even in High SP

[opal leaf]

Should I paste what you said?

"Here the list of frame i just have as it is the entire list except for my rev. All these framws cannot just sit there passively. Gara,khora, wisp, mesa, citirine, dagath, dante, noko, garuda, syarn, harrow, styranax, jade, cyte09, oberon, titania, kullervo and valkyr."

I even bold the words you said

[crisp pine]

Yeah that is specifixally if yiu stand there and do nothing. However, j am always doing something so thry are fine.

[opal leaf]

So why Mag?

Did you really try Lazy Shield Gating on Mag?

I mean everything dies if you don't do anything

[crisp pine]

I specifically was having massive issue with her surivability. Even with lazy shield gsting as she died in the middle her magnetize bubble. I can't as many of them as i can as i keep running into enrgy issur there as it screws over everything

[opal leaf]

Except Gauss.... My Gauss can passively stand in the middle of the fight

[green gyro]

what 😭

[rocky latch]

is this good for exodia contagen ?

[opal leaf]

Yes I know hshshsh

[green gyro]

how is mag hard to survive on

[green gyro]

nah I wasn't talking about aegis

[opal leaf]

That's what I am saying XDD

[green gyro]

it's ok

[opal leaf]

No I kmow where you are reacting

[crisp pine]

For the record straight i have much harder content the other frames just fine.

[opal leaf]

So 2 things I have in mind

1. You don't kill fast enough

2. Your pet cannot mark enemies (if you have Synth Deconstruction)

[rocky latch]

@green gyro should i change any thig?

[opal leaf]

Which is?

[crisp pine]

Eta and eda. And if i could push it level cap if i was bored

[crude prawn]

anyone got a spare Hunter Synergy?

[opal leaf]

#trading

[opal leaf]

Then try Mag

If you have the means to survive those

Then you an make Mag Survive there as well

[versed harbor]

someone could send a mag clip maybe

im heading to work so I cant rly :/

[green gyro]

https://youtu.be/8yX4cklYWYo

this is a good video on zaws

[rocky latch]

thx

[opal leaf]

Go back and hop on warframe

jokes aside be careful bro

[crisp pine]

Appearantly, i somehow cursed.

[crisp pine]

Yeah i have to look that rotation as i did not specifically strictly follow thay specific rotatiin

[opal leaf]

Try and try

Trial and error buddy

I repeat, you have the means of surviving the most unforgiving parts of the game and yet a simple frame like Mag is somehow impossible to you? I call that BS

So keep trying and find what happened there and keep trying... Find new ways

Take it as an advice and not an insult

[crisp pine]

At least it was as not as bad when i had debug mesa. She really had at least 30 iterations to make her work. She was just as much a pain the rear to get her to work.

*Forget the "not as bad"

[opal leaf]

Good luck on it

I still have fashion problems with Gauss to stress on

[green gyro]

fym debug mesa

she's not that complicated

[crude prawn]

@cedar flint bro, can i ask how much damage you dealt with the Aeloak build i gave you?

[astral hull]

yo dont watch this guy his videos suck

[gleaming vapor]

real

honestly the only remotely complicated things on mesa are her 3 and maybe 1

3 just because misc

1 just had a bunch of funk ass mechanics that don’t work right

[woven drift]

Any recommendations on how to build my kuva grattler I unlocked the archgun gear item a few days ago so I wanna build my archguns properly

[icy urchin]

im building guandao prime and i cant rlly figure out a way to make it feel that good atm, i havent rlly ever invested into just a fairly normal melee weapon without any major gimmicks, any build tips?

influence kinda makes sense but also the weapons status chance isnt the best tbh

im primarily running it with a nezha build with wrathful advance subsume idk how much that affects modding

[green gyro]

use conditional overload

it's just general influence slop, if you're running wrathful (which isn't that great on nezha anymore) then you don't really need blood rush

also replace glad might with quickening

and organ shatter with galv elementalist

[icy urchin]

sure ill try that later

ik influence is influence but i wasnt sure if there were any other arcanes worth going due to the low status chance, but it seems so strong that i guess u just mod for more status even tho its low

[inner raptor]

depending on stance, afflitction or exposure

of if crit would stay yellow, duplicate

[glass moon]

what can i replace here for shock trooper

augur reach?

[inner raptor]

yeah

you dont need to shield gate anyway. subsume over 4

[glass moon]

alr

do i need to change any of the arcanes

i run persistence and molt augmented

should i just replace molt for energize

[solar reef]

be sure to use shock trooper augment

[glass moon]

or would it be worth going the extra mile and just buying arcane steadfast

[solar reef]

you’d put it over augur reach here

Tldr, Shock Trooper lets you use Influence on weapons like Hate or Syam without any modding

or any weapon for that matter

[glass moon]

what about weapons that already have elec

modded onto them

[inner raptor]

this build only has 650 persistence needs 700

[glass moon]

i put one armor shard

just doesnt show but its in the build guide

[inner raptor]

also rolling guard could replace persistence as safety net so long as volatile recompense is proccing

[solar reef]

you can take that off

[glass moon]

so what do i use instead them since im using this for influence

but with reach instead of the smite mod

[solar reef]

attack speed or reach

[inner raptor]

also steadfast is kinda not useful since you have equilibrium + p flow. i personally use truculence + fury/augmented on my build

[glass moon]

got any specific mods in mind

[solar reef]

also, surely you didnt just throw on Shock not knowing what it was for

[glass moon]

i dont have it on yet

[solar reef]

Berserker or Primed Fury

[glass moon]

literally levelling volt as we speak

[solar reef]

hit PoE up and knock that out quick

shock troopers GOATed for hate and syam

the electricity from it doesnt combine with other elements

[glass moon]

what do i put on the other slot

and i gotta reforma this bs too

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

should i just sacrifice 2 formas to fit sacrificial pressure in the last slot

[inner raptor]

too expensive for A tier at best weapon

(combat wise)

[glass moon]

still cheaper than buying formas and reactors for a whole new weapon

[solar reef]

if you arent using banes and have a weapon that can use influence

i would just use roar

seems way mkre convenient that you reforma-ing your kit

[inner raptor]

xoris is an excellent free potato weapon

dunno why people are allergic to it

[crude prawn]

Yes, more range, don't use Merit, use Oppotunity Reach thing. Don't build up Critical Damage, you not gonna make it good at that low crit tho.

[glass moon]

praedos cant be that bad

[solar reef]

its not that bad

its perfectly fine

[hearty jackal]

if I use necrophagic vigor on the Hema, I don't need vital sense right ?

[inner raptor]

crit tier

[glass moon]

so would it be a good idea to follow through with this then

[solar reef]

just throw shocking touch back in that slot and use Roar

[crude prawn]

I actually think that CO on every melee is a bad idea

When it even on low-proc status

[inner raptor]

it depends how good your external priming is

[solar reef]

because external priming is a thing

[crude prawn]

I see, but i don't prime

[solar reef]

you can prime passively

thats what companions are for

[inner raptor]

diriga could easily add 6+ elements instantly

[glass moon]

is there some way to have different polarity placement on each config

[crude prawn]

But not too good tho

[solar reef]

companion priming through diriga and hound is phenomenal

you just dont know ball

[crude prawn]

Depend to much on the priming, then use secondary to prime also?

[eternal stream]

I have max rank arcane camisado on my oraxia, what other arcane should I use?

[crude prawn]

It just not help me like this

So in my thought not on every melee cause this not even use CO

[solar reef]

i mean underframe very clearly gives raw numbers higher with CO on their setup even with no external priming

[glass moon]

if i use the syam for shock trooper kullervo what do i slot in as a replacement for the electric mod

[crude prawn]

Really? uriel and Vinquibus?

Well, yea it a Nourish Uriel tho and it an Vinquibus

[inner raptor]

bane mod

[glass moon]

what if i dont wanna use bane mods

[solar reef]

you also dont need to use blast

[glass moon]

damn

[crude prawn]

Yea no need

There always a way and i don"t even use bane tho

[solar reef]

You’d swap exposure for Influence

since you’re using shock

Also, do not listen to them regarding CO. MultiCO is literally syam’s identity

[glass moon]

primed fever and pressure point

[crude prawn]

I see no pressure so why not it?

[glass moon]

im just saving my formas for something else

hell naw

[solar reef]

For convenience purposes regarding bane drop, you can slot in Fury

I cant help you then

sounds like you just need to stick to praedos + Roar

[inner raptor]

ppp is good for syam specifically since syam heavy attack ranged slashes has multiplicative CO

[solar reef]

You can also use Killing Blow in its place

[glass moon]

is ninjases syam bad even bad

[crude prawn]

Does Syam heavy count as aerial attack?

[glass moon]

i dont have 250 plat for the 2 primed mods there

[solar reef]

which one

[glass moon]

much less for the 8 formas spent

[inner raptor]

nah its ranged but not good with the y-axis

[solar reef]

primed pressure point isnt needed

[solar reef]

just use killing blow

[inner raptor]

you dont have to buy r10 mods...

[solar reef]

no its not bad

[crude prawn]

How about Spring-Loaded Blade?

[solar reef]

Its just not for shock trooper use

[solar reef]

range is a wasted stat on Syam

[glass moon]

why

[inner raptor]

range attack hits upto 200m iirc

[crude prawn]

Why not when it status-spreading?

[glass moon]

doesnt shock tropper just give me a free mod slot

[solar reef]

the projectile doesnt use range

[solar reef]

yes but also no
the only reason blast is there to let you slot influence

[inner raptor]

amalgalm organ shatter if you want more CD and wind up speed

[rich glacier]

I would say primed reach. On nami solo roar makes it so strong that kullervo 1 shots enemies which makes i fluence to not proc. It depends on how the weapon shows results

[solar reef]

Syam’s projectile has innate heat. To use Electric, you have to first mod out the beat

[solar reef]

reach is bad on syam

Its a projectile weapon

the projectile is not affected by range mods

[inner raptor]

syam is not your typical slash slash melee

its big damage attack is on its ranged heavy attack

specially on the second slash which has 3x base damage of the first slash

[solar reef]

also, just run roar with this

[solar reef]

it can also headshot

like if you have to jump through hoops to justify using a subsume its pfobably not the subsume of choice

[crude prawn]

They won't let it have a chance tho

[inner raptor]

also fit your kullervo with as much purple shard as humanly possible

[solar reef]

because it literally does nothing

reach has no effect on the projectile

[solar reef]

blue for armor I assume?

[glass moon]

yes

trying to unlock eta eda to have the shards for 2 tau purples

[solar reef]

nourish is fine as a subsume

[glass moon]

instead of these bum ass normal ones

[astral hull]

Standard boring ol viral heat, unfortunately

It comes with free blast at least

If u wanna grattlermaxx subsume xatas whisper for blastmaxxing

[glass moon]

are there any good light attack spam melees for kullervo

[wary forge]

There’s atleast 6 or 7

[astral hull]

Any influenceslop weapon ig

[crude prawn]

Like you would not use the light attack to even build-up the Tennokai

[glass moon]

is the nami solo good

[crude prawn]

Thalys? I heard of Kullervo Thalys everywhere

[glass moon]

was planning to use this

but instead of primed smite and fury i just use spring loaded blade and galv elementalist

since im broke

[crude prawn]

How about you pick any weapon you like?

[glass moon]

i dont like any weapons

but i got kullervo

so

[solar reef]

no

[crude prawn]

Okay, so what melee you have?

[glass moon]

harmony

[solar reef]

Galv Reflex set ups are much more efficient

[glass moon]

and praedos

[inner raptor]

this thing deals humongous damage

[glass moon]

yeah

did 1b somehow

[solar reef]

harmony is a notably good weapon for Kullervo

[glass moon]

been running this on it

[crude prawn]

Okay then let Praedos, since Harmony better in heavy attack of it unique trait. But you want light attack so yea

Unless you want to play heavy attack again

[hexed lodge]

out of curiosity, has anyone tried a Syam crescendo build?

[crude prawn]

My whole life sum up in Paracesis and Vinquibus-- soo

[wary forge]

Very

[glass moon]

damn

[crude prawn]

Not yet i guess. But i feel proud of myself when making Paracesis and Vin did 2B and damage cap with Uriel

[glass moon]

if only the incarnon rotation wasnt so long

[icy urchin]

i have realised that merit feels awkward on guandao specifically because of the stance, the first hit multi hits and just gives you the tennokai proc instantly and u cant rlly build up combo

[glass moon]

3 whole weeks before that shit shows up

[wary forge]

Praedos and inondem very good as well

[icy urchin]

unfortunately i dont really have more range upgrades than just normal reach and opportunitys reach

[solar reef]

not worth it

You get similar numbers with an exposure set up and you dont have to sit and wait on combo to rebuild

[glass moon]

ayo @solar reef is the furax incarnon good for kullervo

[solar reef]

Crescendo is killed on heavy spam set ups by how long it takes to come back to 12x

[crude prawn]

Then what about of making it have more ranges to making the multi hits nor waste on single target? That i think so, i feel lucky that someone told me of the range issue with melee

[wary forge]

Spring loaded blade

[icy urchin]

also how worth it are sacraficial mods cus i have the forma for it lying around still

[solar reef]

steels worth it, pressure is not

[wary forge]

Your build is fine

[icy urchin]

yeah i wouldnt say the build feels bad it just feels like its missing something and doesnt compare to my other melee weapons as much at the moment

[hexed lodge]

didn't ask if it was good or bad... just wondering if anyone tried it before

[wary forge]

Well it’s gundi

[solar reef]

yes its been done

[wary forge]

Not exactly the best compared to other stuff

[rich glacier]

First one is intensify. You max that. From here you stop unless you want to go with persistence, you continue with vitality and then fiber. Lastly do sacrificial steel on melee. Don't upgrade the rest even 1 rank

[solar reef]

There are ways to make it work its just not preferred

[hexed lodge]

aight

[icy urchin]

yeah fair, to be fair its competing with a dark sword slam build

[crude prawn]

Critical chance

[wary forge]

Why you doing split sword slam lol

[crude prawn]

The combo make the crit go pretty high so it worth at that point

[icy urchin]

normal dark sword not dark split sword

[glass moon]

would the furax incarnon be better than the praedos incarnon for influence slop kullervo

[icy urchin]

which has toxin on the slam

[wary forge]

That’s even worse….

[wary forge]

No

[glass moon]

aw

[icy urchin]

how is it bad? the slam does toxin for melee afflictions im getting like 3-4mil hits with it raw

[wary forge]

It’s not hard to get Praedos/inondem

[solar reef]

this idiot got moug’d

[wary forge]

Coda mire exists

[icy urchin]

i will also say i got a rlly good riven on it and built the weapon specifically for that, but like it does insane damage still

[solar reef]

so for context

[wary forge]

Any other slammer is just gonna do way more

[glass moon]

the praedos is a good stat stick for some frames right?

[solar reef]

Dark Sword IS a good slam weapon but its not what people pretend it is
It was all propeganda led by Moug to up and abuse the riven market for it

you fell for it, you got moug’d

[icy urchin]

i mean other slam weapons will probably do more damage... but its still a slam weapon and it does a rlly good job at it

[twilit crest]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[icy urchin]

nah i got an insane riven from it from iron wake

[crude prawn]

Just never mind of them, just love the weapon. That's all i learned

[icy urchin]

this is the real only reason i built it

[solar reef]

thats not insane

[wary forge]

That’s not even a good riven lol

[solar reef]

its ok, its slottable

but its not insane

[icy urchin]

every time i ask about literally anything here i get aggressively conflicting answers

[twilit crest]

wait no rolls tho

[crude prawn]

Agree. Really waste that five riven disposition

[wary forge]

What’s confusing

Just invest in coda mire

[glass moon]

is nourish kullervo bad for influence melees

[twilit crest]

No just invest in magistar

[wary forge]

No but just go roar

[crude prawn]

No, ignore them and love the weapon you like. I give 0 too

[glass moon]

heard someone say something about the viral outweighing elec or whatever

[crude prawn]

Since i too in love with my Paracesis and Vin, i just make it out and happy

[glass moon]

somewhere in #warframe-general

[solar reef]

this will happen if you arent careful

[wary forge]

That’s cope but yes

[solar reef]

but yeah you should be fine

[icy urchin]

i have pretty much only built the weapons i want, but im more at the stage of the game now where a lot of them need rlly good rivens to keep up

[glass moon]

alr

[solar reef]

Both roar and nourish work

roar’s just better for those crisp DOT’s

[crude prawn]

Hold up, let me show you this

[icy urchin]

like im a huge fan of orvius but i havent used it in a while cus i dont have a riven for it yet, and the cold proc on its explosions are really awkward to mod around

[wary forge]

There’s not a single weapon in the in the game that needs a riven to keep up lol

[wary forge]

So then build it?

[solar reef]

A bad weapon with a riven will still be bad

a good weapon with a riven doesnt need a riven to be good

[icy urchin]

ill rephrase that then, they need rivens to keep up with my other stronger weapons im a fan of

[wary forge]

That’s not a thing

[rocky latch]

just rolled this what zaw part should i use if i want to build for melee influence

[wary forge]

lol

[rich glacier]

We'll see if true when stug incarnon comes out

[icy urchin]

i have built it, i still use it constantly, just with melee careen primarily as a support weapon

[wary forge]

This isn’t good for zawfluence

[opal leaf]

If a weapon need rivens to be strong...then it's a weak weapon and it'll be weak

[icy urchin]

but if i wanna actually kill tons of stuff with my melee i dont use it atm cus it feels awkward

[solar reef]

tragic negative

[icy urchin]

the only thing i want in terms of an orvius riven is one that specifically lets me build for melee influence better with the elements that are on it, because the cold on the explosion means you need 3 element mods on it for influence otherwise

[wary forge]

Maybe just use Xoris or falcor

[crude prawn]

i reach 2B with this build of my Paracesis

[solar reef]

this guy has nothing but a crit overflow clip to share, dont take it too seriously
doing blue -2.1’s doesnt actually mean you’ve hit something insane.

[icy urchin]

i do use falcor as well, but i dont like it aesthetically as much

[solar reef]

Blue -2.1 isnt actually 2b

[crude prawn]

yk why? cause i just build everything around it, so it like if you love the weapon

[wary forge]

Buzz kill

[crude prawn]

you just got a way to make it through

[solar reef]

I hate to be it too

[wary forge]

Yo can hit damage cap with any melee

[icy urchin]

i might also use orvius more for actual damage if i get melee duplicate upgraded more cus i only have it at tier 1 rn

[solar reef]

Its just that hes done nothing but flaunt in every time hes in chat

[wary forge]

No like he’s using buzz kill lmao

[solar reef]

oh lol

[crude prawn]

you just need to love your weapon tho, and give no care about the others. Honestly, i went through a lot, and it can finally bring me up to the idea

[wary forge]

That might be the worst build I’ve ever seen

[crude prawn]

i can give it to you, invite me if you dont mind

[icy urchin]

yeah i do rlly like the weapon i just dont know what to actually build on it

[crude prawn]

We might find a way to figure it out

[icy urchin]

sure ill DM u my IGN i guess

[wary forge]

All glavies pretty much build the same

[solar reef]

but yeah, please stop pretending you’re actually getting billions in that clip because it just isnt true

You’re likely just hitting crit overflow

[crude prawn]

okayy, let me send you my IGN

[solar reef]

those -2.1’s are close to like 800k-2M

as an example

[crude prawn]

so? I just love Paracesis and Vinquibus tho

[buoyant patio]

Well that's a new one. I didn't realize actual damage overflow was possible, just damage number overflow.

[solar reef]

and theres nothing wrong with that but you’re outright lying

[crude prawn]

IT like an achievement and who know what DE might gonna give in the future to make the beloved weapon strong

[solar reef]

you keep flaunting billions when you aren’t actually hitting them

you’re just hitting overflow

you CAN hit billions on Vinq but that set up isn’t netting you them

[crude prawn]

because i made it on my beloved weapons??? and people talking of Paracesis and Vinquibus being trashh???

[solar reef]

only -2.1’s

[glass moon]

if i invert controls on gauss will i get the shock trooper buff on tap

[crude prawn]

So? I cannot flex of it??

[solar reef]

you’re flexing nothing is the problem

[crude prawn]

Why you need to be so sensitive?

[brittle sleet]

Sure but builds discussion is supposed to be about numbers and the practical mechanics behind them

[crude prawn]

like CO is your button lol

[solar reef]

like, once again, your -2.1b isnt ACTUALLY 2.1b

you’re just choosing to ignore that

[buoyant patio]

If it was, they'd be dying in a single hit.