builds-discussion

[dusky bane]

not weapon
WARFRAME arcanes

[astral raven]

alr alr,i have added fast deflection already at least

[twilit crest]

But they’re easier

[brittle sleet]

His abilities also reduce shield delay which gets his shield recharge pretty close to being instant

Doesn't quite work as instant without Arcane Aegis

[violet silo]

aegis' hidden trait sets the recharge delay cap to 0 so that fast deflection and gauss' passive can just give him instant recharge

[brittle sleet]

Oh wow a lot of messages just loaded

[abstract axle]

also, because the advice link doesn't spell this out, if you do use the aegis + fast deflection, not only do you not need kinetic plating you must not use it. It'll make hits drain battery which could put you below 100% shield delay reduction

[prime scarab]

Oh right his passive. I dont much care for gauss but that makes sense.

[brittle sleet]

Also you unlock Steel Path by completing Eris junction nowadays I am pretty sure people should be unlocking it before 1999 or Entrati's labs

[astral raven]

alright amigo,i'll try to remember that

[violet silo]

I mean, you can use it, if you're nuking or using mach rush or running around a lot it isnt a problem

but it gives a perfect subsume slot

so why would you

[abstract axle]

sure, but you are more vulnerable with it up, not less.

[violet silo]

yep, but once you hit 100% or if you're keeping battery up, it is a bit of energy and strength. however, like I said, just subsume over it for specialized builds (roar for nuke, EM/xata for gun... keep it for melee, subsume 3)

[thin trench]

My R2 Secondary Kinship was providing a permanent +200% crit chance just now. Can't wait to get it to R5

but yes in essense. I've completely broken Jade as an AC130 build

[violet silo]

that's equivalent to just doing 3 hits with enervate tho?

[thin trench]

and it's still not finished

[thin trench]

nope was getting 50% yellow and 50% orange hits with her on Kinship

[fierce lark]

if you press kinetic plating while you're using aegis bug to survive, you can actually kill yourself very easily

[violet silo]

that's not 200% on glory

[fierce lark]

don't ask me how i know

[thin trench]

basically it brought her crit chance from 43% to roughly 150% on her exalted

[violet silo]

200% on glory is 30% cc, ptting it at 45%

[violet silo]

at high levels def

kills your battery way too fast

but for most gameplay

[fierce lark]

im not sure at what level the incoming damage actually starts becoming a problem for keeping battery above redline

probably somewhere around 1-2k

at 9999 it was extremely difficult to actually get redline to max, last time i did it was with subsumeless nuke and it was very annoying

so yeah i highly recommend against using kinetic plating if you're using aegis anyways

[thin trench]

no since Kinship is procing after the mod adjustments so it's multiplying the 43%. I havent fully checked crit chance by 200% Probably closer to 130% crit chance than 150% but still the results are much more promising than enervate. This arcane isnt R5 yet either so can only image it'd bring the final crit chance to... (calculating)

[violet silo]

kinship is not multiplicative

[violet silo]

better to have a subsume, like roar for nuke

[thin trench]

If it wasnt then explain why every shot I did with it was a yellow to orange crit?

[violet silo]

I don't know your build, but kinship is not multiplicative.

[fierce lark]

the nuke build runs negative strength typically, with impetus being an option to get most of it back

secondary kinship for jade's glory is awful

[violet silo]

not impetus. usually augmented.

and you use something like sling strength to start off with relatively decent strength, it helps

[fierce lark]

you might swap for augmented maybe if you're running a buff, but then you'd have to swap something else for strength as well if you want the buff to do anything

im good leaving it at 45 and running silence

sunder nuke doesn't need any strength

impetus is for efficiency more than for strength

[violet silo]

I just use seismic for that

[prime scarab]

How come nobody plays Inaros? His kit looks REALLY solid on paper.

[fierce lark]

that too

i have everything. streamline, seismic, impetus

[mortal venture]

Is this anything?

[violet silo]

again, augmented is more popular (looking at ninjase and underframe) and again, it's strongest to get back up to 100% with augmented, having a passive sling strength to help, and just use that multiplicative damage to get the blast to huge damage

[fierce lark]

happenstance, ther'es nothing wrong with him

in fact he probably got a lot more popular after old peace

[thin trench]

It's only R2

[tender vine]

any good builds for voruna prime?

[fierce lark]

this is equivalent to +33% crit chance on glory

at max rank you'd be getting 66% with the same amount of buffs

enervate gives 90-100% worth of crit value

glory's base crit is low, additive % crit mods are bad

[violet silo]

enervate ramps up to around 1100% modded crit chance.

can get higher if you get less orangess

but that doesnt really matter

[fierce lark]

according to to this graph it's somewhere around 90-95%

[prime scarab]

If I wanted to build a frame designed to support/tank EDA/ETA to carry some friends, is Oberon the best guy for that?

[fierce lark]

dante

and it's nowhere in the realm of being close

[violet silo]

on glory, I meant

[prime scarab]

Ugh. I hate that you're right. He is just so much button pressing.

[fierce lark]

yeah on glory, glory is 15% base cc which is around 90-95% average final cc being given by enervate

[violet silo]

isn't it 150%

from enervate

wait is this per hit

[mighty flare]

There’s cookie cutter example: #1492606866482794601 message

[violet silo]

like the average shot has around 90% cc

[fierce lark]

no it's the total average amount of flat critical chance being granted by enervate, based on the weapon's base cc

like you would add whatever the number on this chart says to the weapon's base cc

in the case of glory it has probably around 110% total cc when using enervate

either way, it’s leaps and bounds better than kinship, and doesn’t require you have allies in range 24/7

or require you to sac a bunch of strength so you can build enough range to consistently buff them

[violet silo]

truthe

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-doro-truth-nuke-gif-17348673129360722935

[fierce lark]

if glory had like 25-30% base cc there could maybe be a conversation there

but even then, it’d still be a gimmick

[violet silo]

kinship is kinda mid unless you have clones or summons tbh

[fierce lark]

i take back the range comment since glory's aoe scales with range

but also glory having aoe means enervate can stack a lot higher, so L forskinship

[rain sand]

Can someone show some build for Limbo?

[prime scarab]

I'm also considering trinity as a means to carry a buddy through EDA/ETA. Would she do that better than Oberon if I don't want to play memory matching games with dante?

[fierce lark]

i don't know enough about trinity tbh

you could also play frost, he does the dante thing just significantly weaker

but less effort i guess? just hitting enemies with avalanch

[prime scarab]

Frost does have a hell of an aesthetic too...

maybe i can set up a Dante build with max duration to not have to upkeep buffs that often

[fierce lark]

224, 234 and 324 and then just shoot stuff

im not sure how much damage 334 does to things lol

[magic cargo]

are those amps?

[prime scarab]

Yeah but they'll drop off eventually

[prime scarab]

cast order combos for dante

His stuff does different things based on the order you use them

[magic cargo]

oh my bad

i never played him

[prime scarab]

He is super strong I just don't wanna use my brain that much

[fierce lark]

dante pretty much turns off the difficult for anything hard beyond like lvlcap stuff

he generates so much overguard to both him and his entire team that it's pretty much impossible to die, even at ETA

so long as the dante can sustain energy

[wary forge]

Even for level cap

[undone dust]

the true method is to get your summoned book to kill things you feeble minded creature..

[fierce lark]

at levelcap your overguard dies in 1 shot so it's more for gating if anything

i doubt triumph is enough by itself to stay alive forever but im sure it helps

[undone dust]

funnily enough it is

[fierce lark]

no u

[undone dust]

im pissing on you

[fierce lark]

bro what is with you and urine

[undone dust]

i have the humor of a toddler

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1411260337184833566/1496543880613462117/attachment.gif

[wary forge]

ye its for the gating mainly and the fact that uget on it on kill is just nice

[fierce lark]

does hoctua scale into cap

[pastel temple]

Nawktuah

[wary forge]

yes

it needs a lot of stuff tho but it can

[novel bear]

It does a decent amount of damage
Scales really well with strength, especially with roar

[hazy willow]

chat hows my hate?

[prime scarab]

Okay so in doing math and checking out the support carries I can use to get a buddy smoothly through ETA I think its

1. Dante
4. Trinity
5. Oberon
6. Wisp

Are there any others I should consider when making my final pick?

2 and 3 are empty because annoyingly Dante is that good

[latent adder]

Frost

You can carry the defense and give overguard

[prime scarab]

Dangit I keep forgetting him. you're the second today to bring him up.

Also hey, thanks for the guides. I cannibalize your work all the time.

[prime scarab]

And the protoframe is cute too

[placid vale]

Hellooo, is this build good for oraxia? What should I change or anything to make it better?

[latent adder]

Looks ok, if drain is an issue suggest dropping blind rage

Use a better arcane over rise eg crepuscular

[placid vale]

Those are the best I have for now, I don't really know where to get good arcanes. Or specific ones for specific Warframes

[timber sparrow]

anyone got a build/guide for wisp?

[spring sonnet]

Im not sure how far u r in game but running void cascades can get u some good arcanes same with running just any steel path mission and making sure to kill the acolytes 🙂

[muted geyser]

What something i could replace calibans 4th besides Roar or nourish?

[latent adder]

Brightbonnet

[latent adder]

General weapon platform https://overframe.gg/build/511102/wisp-prime/ravenous-wraith-nourish-wisp-sp-general-use-and-endurance-levelcap/

Sol gate nuke
https://youtu.be/TMOSYnKEF28?si=5VK413H3Pq0rLVR4

[valid cargo]

@latent adder hey mister its ok if i use the zaw you suggested in the voruna video with the sol nuke vid you just uploaded?

[latent adder]

Influence zaw? Yep u can

Oneshots might be a little less consistent but just throw a second time

[keen plinth]

anyone got a corufell build

[thin trench]

Just an FYI but with a tauforged Topaz shard added, only one. I'm now permanently doing red crits using the Kinship Arcane setup I had planned. Which is far better than getting only 6 red crits before the counter resets.

[fierce lark]

show clip please

because it quite literally isn't possible to do that without external help

[frozen grail]

question about Violet archon shards for Gyre, ive done my fair share of looking around to try and decide between Ability damage vs primary electric damage, i do play Gyre with her 1 augment to add electricity status and damage to my weapon as well as i do play her as a more gun oriented frame meaning i dont just prime enemies and run around them till they die if thats how the ability oriented playstyle to her would work lol, i run 1 cast speed shard and the remaining 4 slots are all for violets
i know that gyre is a sorta weapons platform in a way in the sense that instead of just buffing weapon damage her abilities do damage in response to shooting stuff, so for overall damage potential do you guys think +electric damage or +ability damage would net me overall more? or perhaps a mix of the two where i run 2 ability dmg and 2 weapon damage?
if its weapon dependent i guess as an example id say im using the tenant glax as thats a weapon i use frequently on her

its all good if u dont know exact numbers just general "i feel like" opinions are perfectly fine!

[fierce lark]

without any flat crit chance buffs, you would need 2000% modded crit chance to hit guaranteed red crits

with 5 topaz shards, arcane hotshot, secondary outburst fully stacked and creeping bullseye, that's 1115%

[old marsh]

holy wall of text

[frozen grail]

sorry gang😭 this internal debate has been haunting my dreams i stg

[fierce lark]

you will kill things better and faster with a weapons platform oriented build, the ability dmg build is more for probably fun and it can still kill stuff

[old marsh]

give me tldr

[fierce lark]

tldr is do gyre want to shoot stuff or drop her balls

[rocky mason]

Gyre loves playing with her balls

[old marsh]

caster setup is good for base SP. maybe even EDA/ETA with roar. but weapon plat is just way better

[normal folio]

Gyro loves spinning his ball

[frozen grail]

im wondering which violet is gonna net me better dmg in the long run/more consistently between the +ability dmg, vs the +electric dmg on primary

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gyre-ability-3-ability-4-electrocution-gif-8546175705357662680

[old marsh]

be like me (give me 2 min to load into game)

[fierce lark]

primary elec assuming you use primaries

i run 4 of them

[mighty flare]

platform is just gonna be better

[old marsh]

i dont use flow btw

[frozen grail]

fair, its more fun aswell imo
got any recommended primaries you find fun with her? ive mainly only used the tenet glax and boar/cedo with her so far and im looking to try some new ones to see if i can find something even more enjoyable

[old marsh]

u can have flow and use 2 more purple shards

[mighty flare]

i use gyre as melee platformer for hate or gunblades

vastilok or redeemer prime

[frozen grail]

do you use a helminth on her that makes her more energy hungry that she needs the energy max? or is it just for comfortability?
i use pillage on her with blind rage and the energy regen is fast enough to where i havent invested in energy max at all

[old marsh]

blind range. so can cast Roar, 3 and 4 from the very start of mission

[frozen grail]

i have yet to try out any gunblades i may have to give that a look, i believe you recommended me hate a few weeks ago and it was quite fun when i tried it out W recommendation ill have to give gunblades a shot

[frozen grail]

ahh i see that makes sense

[old marsh]

its important specially in missions with Nullifiers

or generally short missions where u cba with energy.

[valid current]

any suggestion for my caliban? mid game build

[fierce lark]

get summoner's wrath and razor mortar asap

[valid current]

im already lvl 4 for suda, should i wait or get it now?

[novel bear]

Wait

[valid cargo]

Nice zaws are a bit tedious to make so ill keep the dagger for a bit

[fierce lark]

you can wait nbd

but yeah caliban becomes an actual frame with that aug

[latent adder]

My suggestion is to build 2 gyre and farm 8 violet shards

💀

[daring crystal]

I read that rank 0 arcane aegis is enough to survive with just fast deflection , vigilante vigor , and catalyzing shield is that true ? Or should i just buy the rank 5 one ?

Im going to use it on lavos

[twilit crest]

Use r0

I think the next event coming will be easy r5 aegis

[slate hedge]

What's a good strong aoe build for Wisp ?

[daring crystal]

Operation belly of the beast drop aegis ? Ill grind then : D

[twilit crest]

I’m like pretty sure I forgor

[chrome badge]

Belly of the Beast and most of the other recurring events drop all the eidolon arcanes

Aegis is one of such

[blazing frigate]

anyone got a Fulmin prime build?

[violet silo]

I really gotta get tempo and velocity, so im excited

ill get a couple aegises to give to baby gus players

[chrome badge]

i gotta get all the arcanes for my tiny tenno friend whos been on hiatus for some time

[ionic marsh]

sacrificial or galvanized steel on xoris?

[latent adder]

#builds-discussion message

[violet silo]

someone already told you galv in another chat

[opal leaf]

I remember this guy... He asked this twice now

Oh 3 times

[violet silo]

thats just in builds tho

[opal leaf]

True

Who knows how many times he asked this hahaha

[novel bear]

But the answer is usually sac for heavy spam

[violet silo]

is it? I don't really see that much, except on budget builds

[novel bear]

How is sac budget?

[warm obsidian]

Any Saryn builds?

[novel bear]

And yeah, if you’ve got external cc, like tenacious bond, sac is better

[novel bear]

Strength, duration, roar over 4, venom dose, and cat shields

[warm obsidian]

So..
Nuke?

[novel bear]

Nuke as in building for her spores?

[warm obsidian]

Idk just assumed nuke since Roar

[fierce lark]

roar is there because it triple dips the dot on her 3

and because saryn is still the only frame with a buff like this that doesn't force roar to be subsumed over it

[valid cargo]

Well What I said aged like milk

[violet silo]

beginner friendly, I should say

[violet silo]

it doesnt need to be acid shells, roar is just really good with lash

[fierce lark]

roar is just generically good, separate multiplier that double dips dots and triple dips ammo infusion dots

[modern sphinx]

halo guys, does anyone have yarelli augment in syndicate?

[fierce lark]

also lash is funny and does doubled damage on melees, so there's probably a few weapons that can hit damage cap toxin dots without that much effort

[opal leaf]

Loyal Merulina? I'm selling one but we shouldn't talk here cause it's a Build Discussion

[warm obsidian]

Yeah....
Don't know how to build Whipclaw

Have Archon Continuity on Khora

[fierce lark]

i mean apparently you do lol idk

without an arcane there's really nothing to fix here

[warm obsidian]

Literally just based it off my Valkyr talons

[fierce lark]

for influence dps you'd run elec instead of toxin, for strangledome looting you'd run 60/60 cold & elec in place of reach/scourge to make magnetic with melee vortex

but with no arcanes this is pretty much the best you can do save for running a matching bane mod in place of reach/60 tox

[lavish orbit]

Why would you use vortex with strangledome ?

[warm obsidian]

Saw a Melee Vortex with 60/60 for Magnetic and Fever Strike

[fierce lark]

magnetic procs on enemies inside the dome can pull in enemies from outside

[warm obsidian]

Which reminds me
Need to buy Arcane adapter from Teshin

[fierce lark]

melee adapters you buy from bird 3

[nocturne spindle]

don't suppose i can get this any higher

[fierce lark]

sacrificial steel?

[nocturne spindle]

it's not an option for hound weaps i'm afraid

[fierce lark]

i dont remember if that can be equipped on companions

sadge, probably not then

[nocturne spindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1300563026327638148.gif?size=56&quality=lossless

de may i plz have a smidge more crit chance on the batoten

[fierce lark]

nope back to diriga

[novel bear]

Needs base damage, condition overload or primed pressure point over virulent scourge

Or organ shatter if you don’t want to forma again

[fierce lark]

whipclaw gets base damage from augment

[novel bear]

No it does not

Accumulating whipclaw is effectively a strength increase

[fierce lark]

oh oops

nah i thought ability str on whipclaw was additive

[novel bear]

Nope
Only mesa and temple

[lavish orbit]

The augment says damage though, miss of DE ?

[fierce lark]

it's additive on other melee exalteds

[fierce lark]

it's added as ability strength, thats why khora builds always run 45% str

[novel bear]

No it’s not

[fierce lark]

unless they subsume a dmg buff

[lavish orbit]

Eh

[fierce lark]

i can't find any confirmation for gara, but i know for a fact excal, baruuk and valkyr are all additive

[novel bear]

They’re not though

[fierce lark]

granted they're all proper exalteds not pseudos

[chrome badge]

Damage bonus is additive to the one provided by Ability Strength
This diminishes the effectiveness of modding for Ability Strength alongside the Augment.

-wiki

[warm obsidian]

Bruh
The 60/60 electric for melee costs how much

[chrome badge]

alot since most are baro exclusive

and influence is stupid good

[novel bear]

Arsenal says otherwise
Wiki says otherwise

[chrome badge]

wait whats the discrepancy now?

[fierce lark]

wiki doesn't say anything and im not on to check arsenal unluck

[chrome badge]

on what?

[lavish orbit]

The game

[novel bear]

I’m testing excalibur specifically

[chrome badge]

sorry wrong question, what doesn't it say

[novel bear]

Ability strength increases are multiplicative with damage mods for every exalted except mesa and temple

[chrome badge]

ah

[warm obsidian]

Been using this
Don't know if I should subsume 3

[fierce lark]

nvm i eventually found a sub-tab buried somewhere that mentioned valkyr getting more dmg from growing power than steel charge because it's multi

i will trust on the rest

though in this case you can skip base damage on whipclaw since you're presumably running arcane fury

if not then co away

[chrome badge]

According to wiki, Ability str and Accum Whipclaw are additive to each other and are multiplicative to mods that increase base dmg

[novel bear]

Even then, you’ll still get more out of co than the 60/60 mod

[wary forge]

Subsume the one

[warm obsidian]

Planning to subsume 4 with Wrathful so speed up the looting

[bold estuary]

subsume her three for vorunas three is my rec

you still have the car you just cant change its stance

[fierce lark]

you cant subsume 4

thats her looting ability

[bold estuary]

you also just do not need WA

khora does so much damage just use an energy subsume

[warm obsidian]

I was joking :v

[hollow mantle]

This server is allergic to sarcasm

[old marsh]

Recommended element for a non-melee influence Shattered Lash (Gara) build

say if i wanna use Melee Duplicate or Explosure or something else

[fierce lark]

gas

gas afflictions is big funny

lash flings enemies so it applies afflictions

[old marsh]

Afflictions?

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-ew-wtf-no-disgusted-gif-11058683547538402693

[fierce lark]

ye

[old marsh]

alright. will test it.

[dusky bane]

I mean, what else are you gonna do with it

[novel bear]

Heat and hotshot

[old marsh]

i was using duplicate+corrosive with nourish subsume. so was wondering if i can try something else

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[dusky bane]

I guess lash DOES sit at the ideal CC for duplicate, but that sounds cope asf ngl

[old marsh]

hence my ask lol

[urban palm]

I have a question. How many kavats can you have on the field at the same time? Khora's Venari, Duplex Bond on a regular kavat (so disappointed it doesn't work on Venari), Inaros's subsume + augment is what I got. Anything else?

[dusky bane]

I'll be honest, even afflictions is just influence at home

[old marsh]

while we r on topic. if anyone has a Kuva Hind build they can share, it would be nice. i keep asking here, no one replies 😭

[old marsh]

throw in Khora Specter

[urban palm]

are spectres affected by summoner's wrath?

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[urban palm]

sad

now

what's a good weapon for finishers? I have innodem which seems like it could do the job but I wonder if there are better alternatives

[lavish orbit]

Rumblejack, Ceramic dagger

[cold burrow]

Zephyr build, tornado augment or no?

[spice ravine]

any good oberon prime builds

[rich glacier]

Tempest barrage and smite. Health/shield gating up to you

Subsume his 3 for bonus orbs with 4

[spice ravine]

is equilibrium really needed?

or purple archon shards?

(if I have universal fallout)

[half goblet]

Wouldn't waste purple shards on energy personally unless you're very very stingy with mod slots or arcane ener

[warm obsidian]

Malicious Raptor or Vermillion Storm for Claw Stance?

[chrome badge]

verm

mmm

mali might is nice too

what weapon

[warm obsidian]

Venka Prime

[chrome badge]

mmmmmmmmm i think mali might be better for the several melee status effects

you could genuinely use afflictions with it too

[fresh plume]

Hallo! Just asking if this is a good build for a MR 8 player transitioning into steel path

[chrome badge]

why not just go to a steel mission to find out

Death is a lesson that needs learning

[fresh plume]

Fair point, what do I need to improve upon if I struggle tho?

[chrome badge]

depends on how you do

if you cant scratch enemies, its the weapon

[warm obsidian]

Planning on using it with Volt and Gauss :v

[chrome badge]

if you die before you hurt them, its you

[chrome badge]

ok

[warm obsidian]

Run Solo exterminate on Steel Path to get a feel for it

[chrome badge]

still tthink mali is better

lots of forced slash and staggers + knockdowns on neutral

[half goblet]

Not really

[true hound]

does anyone have a good gram prime build? got a riven yesterday

[fresh plume]

is it normal to have to do 3 perfect shots to kill a normal enemy for this build?

[chrome badge]

no, it should generally be like 1, but i think thats mostly bc you havent built up your galvanized stacks + you have no primary arcane

[fresh plume]

how about my xoris? it's clearing rooms but it takes around 5 throws to clear them out, and for the eximus it takes me long asf to kill them

is a primer needed by now? and if so what's good to use for MR8

[charred gale]

once ur builds get good enough u wont need primers but the ones i use are kuva nukor and epitaph

not sure if u can get the epitaph yet

[fresh plume]

I'll try to get the epitaph, the prime is worth it anyways right?

[charred gale]

uhhhh yeah might as well

it only has a slightly faster fire rate in terms of buffs for priming but yk might as well invest into the better version

[fresh plume]

do I just focus on viral and heat priming or are there any others that is better for the nataruk and xoris?

[charred gale]

uh i wouldnt prime heat, id just go viral and mag

magnetic for overshields

or corrosive depending on what ur other gear has

[fresh plume]

Thanks for the help

[charred gale]

np

[thorn herald]

Where to find builds other than overframe?

[charred gale]

youtube or servers

[thorn herald]

ok thx

[charred gale]

np

lowk wouldn’t recommend alot of ytber builds tho

[chrome badge]

i suggest looking at say TheKengineer, imo for he got some nice notes on game mechanics

not builds tho, you can make a build yourself, you just gotta believe

[vernal gulch]

Which side would be better for burston prime incarnon

[karmic badger]

left has more usable stats

3 good stats vs 1 very good stat and an ignorable negative

[rich glacier]

Left is much better. Negative riven compared to no negative rivens have a smaller gap than negative with 1 less hood stat

[karmic badger]

plus CD is harder to come by

you can get CC with crit delay and Galv scope

[median crystal]

Hi, I just started getting into arcanes recently, so I wanted to know is arcane impetus or arcane camisdo better to buy for titania?

[granite ginkgo]

yea her 4th skill drone isnt very niche to use or do any dmg, as impetus you gonna need to get archon mods

archon contuinitu specifically

[median crystal]

i have archon continuity for corrosive

[granite ginkgo]

right then u can build around xata whisper + blast + tox + corro build

u can put her sword any left element to proc more impetus

[median crystal]

does xata's count as a separate status?

[granite ginkgo]

it count as abilities status

[median crystal]

ah i didnt think about the sword that would actually be a good idea

yeah this is the build I am running right now

though is anemic agility or merciless gunfight better than magnetic might or nah?

[granite ginkgo]

not quite sure, i use arcane pistoleer and arcane precision in titania, never tried w impetus

https://overframe.gg/build/687396/titania-prime/dex-pixia-dps-titania-xata-blast-nuke/

here suggest magnetic work via thrax clearing

so i guess for cascade clearing

[median crystal]

yeah i want to get pistoleer eventually but rn I can't buy cause i am kinda broke on plat lol

cause 300%+ damage seems rlly nice

well thnx for the suggestions

[chrome badge]

Pretty sure camisado doesn’t work on her butterflies bc they aren’t summons
Also impetus is not suitable on her bc it’s not gonna be reasonably procced on her

Personally I use that one arcane that gives ammo efficiency on pistols and energize bc I don’t have energizing shot

[median crystal]

I tried lovisa’s idea for putting elements on diwata and I consistently have 11 stacks with xata whisper and dex pixia elements

I was running arcane pistoleer too but I had 2 yellow archon shards for energy orb efficiency

[lavish orbit]

Impetus + Encumber is a thing, used also on Mesa

[dire terrace]

Ehich voruna builds better? Mecha or prey kf dunar

[granite ginkgo]

u like crawl all 4 or use melee directly?

[karmic badger]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Arcane_Camisado

Yes they are

[chrome badge]

whattttt, i couldve sworn it only worked on summons with health

[lavish orbit]

It works on chroma too

[granite ginkgo]

u be surprise what count as summon is

[lone haven]

hi, how important is serration if I change deadhead for crux on burston prime incarnon if I want to use it for bosses and such? I got a negative multishot on a riven but I think primary acuity negates it anyway

first evo gives heat and the last one CC +22%

[hallow venture]

Which Warframe has the highest armor strip abilities?

[lavish orbit]

Nekros, Terrify

[fresh plume]

hallo! I asked help for my nataruk build earlier, now I'm struggling with my xoris, it doesn't do enough damage

What's something I need to improve on?

[whole raven]

Follie

[void lagoon]

What's the most recommended amount of STR on Voruna for a Ulfrun build?

[dusky bane]

this is what you're aiming for

[fresh plume]

could I swap out the galvanized steel for sacrificial steel

[dusky bane]

galvanized steel is there for crit damage

but I guess that'd work

read description for details

[warm obsidian]

Now then what's more possible
Primed Shocking Touch or next Baro sells the 60/60 Electric

[fresh plume]

Noted, thank you!

[void lagoon]

Sacrificial Steel works if you plan to also use Sacrificial Pressure to have high crit chance

[oak saffron]

do these mods/arcanes on my secondary benefit hildryn/balefire?

[old marsh]

Hound Build for general nuking/priming

please 🙏

[old marsh]

mods do. not arcanes

[ionic marsh]

anyone got an idea on how to improve my build?

I'll upgrade that Galv Reflex later

[old marsh]

solid

u can also make it a bounce build with Volatile Quick Return and replace Reflex+Killing Blow with Blood Rush+Weeping Wounds

[eternal vessel]

Ha guys can anyone help. Me in the grendel basic farm? 😭

[fresh plume]

what's an alternative to the smite mod btw? forgot to ask earlier

[dusky bane]

Next to anything, but nothing comes close

Faction mod nearly quadruples your damage

[ionic marsh]

would changing Pressure point for Gladiator Might work?

[old marsh]

not for an explosive glaive build. its good for bounce build

[dusky bane]

Nah, glad might mid asf

[lunar blade]

soo.. if I reach 0% dmg with a riven all the dmg stats disappear.. but besides doing 0 dmg it sill applies status regularly. and somehow heat status is still doing dmg

I suppose this removes the damage attenuation that artax/verglas or similar give to your guns while fighting sp bosses 🤔

[pine sedge]

does anyone have the optimal general steel path build for nova? 🤔 i'm lost... with shards preferably

[heavy river]

She mainly just needs duration, metric tons of it at that

[pine sedge]

im not sure what to put other than duration

[heavy river]

She needs a bit of range for her 1 if you use the augment and a little bit of strength so her damage resistence uptime isnt that narrow

[pine sedge]

ty! do u have any examples?

[heavy river]

Ill get my pc up and send a ss of my build give me a few mins

[heavy river]

I build for comfort first and foremost which is why I have PSF and Arcane Aegis, you could replace those with like Preperation and Molt Augmented if you don't want to mod for strength

I have 3 shards for duration and then 2 split between energy filled on spawn (would be casting speed if I was using preperation) and parkour velocity for QoL

[pine sedge]

tysm! i've started getting through steel path recently but i'm scared of dying all the time

[wary forge]

arcane aegis with no other recahrge mods is an interesting choice

[heavy river]

I dont see it as nessecery

[wary forge]

its just useless

[heavy river]

Ok cool I guess?

[wary forge]

ur gonna need more survivability tho for anyting above base sp

[heavy river]

Absolutely not 💀

I've taken this to like level 3000 enemies

SP is a joke nowadays

[lunar blade]

It could be a pillage nova. 🤔 Anyway she already has 90% dmg reduction skill

[heavy river]

It isnt a pillage I dont have anything subsumed onto her atm

But pillage is a shout, regardless Id still need to get rank 5 with fortuna

[wary forge]

any frame with dr can tank level 3k lol

that build isnt gonna go past more then that

[heavy river]

Yeah yeah keep hating idrc

I only stopped at 3k cus I went to bed, definetly could get further

[wary forge]

its not hating

its just a fact

[versed harbor]

dr tank at 3k?

[wary forge]

dude ur just a hater

[heavy river]

You came to me to dog on my perfectly fine build 😭

And im a hater for defending it?

👌

[wary forge]

so i cant cal la build bad i guess

[dire terrace]

hmmm I do love the crawl all 4.

[heavy river]

You can call it bad but its not hating to defend something

[wary forge]

what

all i said was that build cant tank past base sp

[hexed lodge]

Out of all things, why Neutron Star?

[dusky bane]

it's decent

[wary forge]

its very good

[hexed lodge]

i don't mind jank/comfy builds, but that augm really seems out of place

it's okay, even with archon vitality, but can't properly kill without "universal buffs", very high str and/or a primer

[wary forge]

it seems like its neutron star build

hard to tell tho

[hexed lodge]

then there's no point on molecular fission lol

[old marsh]

still need one?

[wary forge]

remeber if u critique the build ur hating

[old marsh]

rate my build

[wary forge]

glorp certified

[hexed lodge]

no portals, -10 fun
jokes aside, Neutron Star build, right?

[heavy river]

Your critique was "oh it wont do anything past base SP"

😑

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

[old marsh]

ye. i just spam it. hence the BR at half rank

[wary forge]

theres no popint in using a rank 4 blind rage just ur augur strenght mod atp

[gray quarry]

Infinite 1

[hexed lodge]

i like it
but Molt Efficiency might seem useless unless you have a shade/huras

[old marsh]

i mean, its a comfy build for EDA/ETA where specially when u get the modifier where enemies suck your energy

[wary forge]

ye

[hexed lodge]

recast

[gray quarry]

wait lemme double check

I was wrong, was thinking of molecular fission. Neutron star is nuke augment

[wary forge]

yes

[old marsh]

i pretty much never lose shields with Nova. her 1 makes sure of that. so basically 300% DUR

[gray quarry]

Also for shards cast speed is a must, atleast 1 tau. Otherwise red duration shards help too

[hexed lodge]

fair
||sounds like a build for levels below 150, but if it works for you, more power to you||

[old marsh]

this is EDA/ETA ceritifed build against all pesky modifiers

[wary forge]

chroma with nuetron star is fun

[old marsh]

went in with shit weapons and cleared it without issue

[hexed lodge]

oh i believe you can clear it, but i doubt Molt.Efficiency was having a large uptime
ain't no way you didn't get your shield one-shot all the time in eta/eda

[timber sparrow]

I did TA and it was so.. normal.. but I play yareli

maybe ETA will be more challenge

[old marsh]

no one gets near me. my 4 stays up at all the time

[gray quarry]

Novas 1 affects her shields, so it doesn’t get 1 shot often. It’s really funny

[hexed lodge]

true
Just pray to not get the Bolstered Belli modifier

[old marsh]

and thank god her 1 is a subsume

works so well on other frames

[wary forge]

nova is just really comfy in general even with out that but ye

shes just such a good frame

[gray quarry]

True

[marble marten]

Does the range on a melee Riven affect the price much? I have a Dark dagger Rakta with 2 range , dmg corpus and grineer

[old marsh]

behold. NovaKong

[wary forge]

like legit can do it all

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/rise-and-shine-rise-and-shine-meme-kylie-jenner-kardashian-wake-up-gif-8747279803709075057

[gray quarry]

Speaking of nova, gonna drop my build

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-cat-annoyed-kick-duck-gif-5365525105711419985

[hexed lodge]

that's thankfully 90% of the roster nowdays

[gray quarry]

(Shock was just for coda patho, can run other subsumes and be totally fine)

[lucid flint]

usually still easy some weeks are rough though like last week

[gray quarry]

I mught change molt efficiency to that old peace one that gives duration on cast for nova

[lucid flint]

I think it was efervon tank with faceoff modifiers

[old marsh]

i really hate the hp and energy leech modifiers. and headshot multiplier when i get shit weapons

[hexed lodge]

i hate that tank... everytime it appears in ETA i just skip, or play with cheese-oberon

[daring crystal]

which one to get

[pine sedge]

tysm for this! i wanted to try out some other builds too and i got roar subsume pretty recently

[pine sedge]

won't minus damage make u do way way less damage overall so tje crit will be useless? i think left, but im not amazing so ask some more people just incase

[old marsh]

right coz u can negate that dmg with another mod but be mindful that u wont be nuking with this

[daring crystal]

now i get more confused XDD

[old marsh]

uninstall Warframe

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[daring crystal]

i just got back last month , maybe i should

[leaden thistle]

The right one makes lose 153% damage which Serration negates since its +165% damage. But now you need another source of base damage like an arcane

[pine sedge]

i thought companion weapon cant use arcane

[daring crystal]

hammer shot ?

[leaden thistle]

Warframe Arcanes can compensate for that I think

[pine sedge]

ohhhhh

[leaden thistle]

Hammer Shot does not give base damage

[daring crystal]

i see 🤔

[rich glacier]

It's 60% crit d and 80% status chance

[old marsh]

both have pros and cons. left one makes u lose status chance but gives u 2 elements. right one gives u lots of status chance so u can proc more status.

[pine sedge]

wait i thought i only needed 150% strength, why is it so high? im not rly sure how she works sorryyyy

[old marsh]

need vs want

[leaden thistle]

You could add Heavy Caliber if you have it for another +165% damage at the cost of the weapon's accuracy

[rich glacier]

You are better off using augur secrets than not even half ranked blind rage

[gray quarry]

0/10, no portals

[daring crystal]

does verglas need acuracy ?

[pine sedge]

i saw ninjase has a steel path nova build but it has so many formaaaa i hate levelling frames

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-13999959577016113506

[gray quarry]

Welcome to warframe be glad you didn’t dump 9 forma onto citrine

[leaden thistle]

... you know what, I don't think it does :V
I don't see the accuracy stat

[daring crystal]

NICEEE , ty

[leaden thistle]

...actually you know what, why are you building Verglas for Crit anyway

It's base stats have it set for a status primer. 14% chance crit, but 36% chance Status before modding

[daring crystal]

tenacious bond , hehe

[rich glacier]

What's up with verglass? Does it make sentinel nuke?

[pine sedge]

is this one good enough too? i gotta use quite a few forma but it'll be worth it if it does work

[leaden thistle]

If you can get Diriga, you unlock Vulklok which has a base 35% crit chance

[daring crystal]

im building wyrm rn for the laser rifle , but ill try that one , ty

[gray quarry]

Yes

[pine sedge]

tyty! imma replace arcane hot shot until i figure out how null star works

[hexed lodge]

Ninjase's builds are designed for "not my main but i want to try it" type of build, so yes it's guaranteed to be good, but might not be the top-end build if you actually want to invest into the wf, just a note to consider

[gray quarry]

He explains all the mods and what purpose they serve and any alternatives that can be swapped

[old marsh]

1 is small booms. 2 is big boom. 3 is long zoom. 4 is slow/fast room.

[timber sparrow]

do it in SO with a blessing

and level weapons in the meantime too lol

[oak saffron]

why is my damage so low? what am i missing?

i dont really use chroma

[hexed lodge]

is there a video/clip you are trying to replicate or just trying stuff out?

[solar reef]

CO does affect the explosion

[inner raptor]

priming? iirc contagion ranged attack is multi co

[oak saffron]

ive been trying to play around with exodia contagion but i cant seem to make it work

[inner raptor]

nvm im blind lolk

[oak saffron]

tried it with the kripath but i thought that i didnt have the right parts (low base crit), so i swapped to my dagger

[solar reef]

only the projectile itself is

the explosion is not

[oak saffron]

but recently there's this guy called nobuistaken that uploaded a chroma video with a diff zaw

[wary forge]

your melee build sucks lol

[oak saffron]

but idk 100k crits seemk kinda underwhelming no?

[solar reef]

All zaws should perform about the same

For contagion purposes

[wary forge]

also ur chroma build isnt the best

what even is dead eye

[solar reef]

ideally you should be throwing the zaw at heads

not at the ground away from them

[wary forge]

also to get the dmg boost from vex armor

u have to get ranged kills or have ur hp take dmg

[true hound]

im getting tilted by trying to find a public group running duviri experience w/o them just running around the map and collecting resources. im sitting here for like 20 mins already (i wanna get pathos for syam)

[solar reef]

run isleweaver

[true hound]

why dont they go friends only or sum

[hexed lodge]

oh dear tenno, don't follow Nobu
well first off, Epitaph isn't modded with Viral, no Melee Exposure stacks, too much Corrosive (viral/heat/tox is the better choice)
and if you are using chroma, you don't have any Vex armor bonuses active, and if you do, get a separate loadout without +%base damage mods, since Vex armor covers for that already.

[solar reef]

its better for clamps

[true hound]

oh i thought it doesnt give the pathos after the event ended ty for the tip

[timber sparrow]

isleweaver is the thing to do for it

[inner raptor]

run sp isleweaver you get 15 clamps without the hassle of completing duviri

[timber sparrow]

nah just do isleweaver fr

[true hound]

ye imma try that now, thanks for the info lads, havent run it since 8 claw so itll be refreshing at least

[wary forge]

like u dont have any bonus dmg fro mvex armor in this clip btw

[inner raptor]

its very very quick but depends on what undercroft mode you roll

[oak saffron]

do exodia contagion builds do no damage without buffs?

i normally run wisp/mirage actually

[solar reef]

they do plenty of damage you just dont seem to be using it right

once again, aim at enemies not the floor

[wary forge]

what is zaw parts

[solar reef]

the zaw head doesnt matter all to much but you should be running the right link/grip for damage

[wary forge]

it does tho

[quiet laurel]

it matters

[solar reef]

zaw head only really matters for riven/op arcane

[wary forge]

no lmao

[quiet laurel]

the first combo of the stance determines the dmg of the projectile

[solar reef]

oh?

[wary forge]

well this makes a lot of sense

u want to go either rabvee or dorkrahm

rabvee less base dmg higher riven dispo dorkrahm higher base dmg less dispo

[quiet laurel]

yeah hammers are best cause of the huge dmg multi on their combos

[solar reef]

im not too versed on zaw contagion since I use Wolf Sledge on any application where double dips occur

in the case of zaws i’m still old-head stuck to slash/viral Exodia Force builds

[hexed lodge]

tbh what matters is the vex armor bonus, iirc, it double-dips on glaives and exodia contagion
hence, the clip you are showing you don't have the vex armor buff up

[wary forge]

swords as well

[oak saffron]

i just tested with wisp and mirage again

[quiet laurel]

it double dips and since its base dmg it also scales multiplicatively with CO

[oak saffron]

im hitting for millions with mirage at 0 combo

and like 100k on wisp if that

[solar reef]

eclipse double dips without ramp-up

[quiet laurel]

cause eclipse double dips zaw projectile multiplicatively

[solar reef]

vex armor requires you to activate vex armor’s damage boost

[hexed lodge]

again, no vex armor buff in the clip

[wary forge]

bluds gotta be ragebaiting

[solar reef]

you’ve just ignored that like 20 times

[quiet laurel]

also combo doesnt matter for zaw really

it only matters if you yeet it 30+ meters

[solar reef]

its just for blood rush

[wary forge]

nah even then

[solar reef]

which isnt needed

[quiet laurel]

who uses BR on zaws

[solar reef]

rauta folk

[wary forge]

cause exoida contagion dmhg on the arcane

gives its another 400% multi dmg

if u throw it 30 meters

wa just the subsume if u want crit

12x zaw is good bc of weeping wounds

and influence

[quiet laurel]

otherwise duplicate if eclipse or exposure

wait we talking about subsume why am I yapping about arcanes

only god knows

[wary forge]

ye eclispe or wa roar is good as well if ur on a frame like voruna

[solar reef]

ok mehi

[wary forge]

c/mehi

[quiet laurel]

tbh on voruna just WA cause crit dmg buff

[solar reef]

god i hated that

[wary forge]

ye

[oak saffron]

is rauta neccesary for contagion builds?

[solar reef]

He “mained” eclipse zaw voruna

[solar reef]

no???

[quiet laurel]

rauta lowkey useless for it

[solar reef]

the only reason to use rauta is to force blood rush

[quiet laurel]

other than maybe zawfluence

[solar reef]

which isnt needed

[wary forge]

raut with naruom just allows u to stay on 12x the entire mission

[quiet laurel]

but zawfluence is cringe and I will not support such playstyles of zaw

[wary forge]

only useful for influence

[gray quarry]

Mehi mentioned

[solar reef]

He refused to use her 2 mind you

[gray quarry]

Isn’t her 2 eclipse

[quiet laurel]

question mark react this man

[wary forge]

no

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-so-confusing-liam-gallagher-oasis-gif-4277974339249990382

[ionic marsh]

yo why is my xoris genuinely not doing any damage 🥀

[quiet laurel]

thats a question we cannot answer if build is not shown

[hexed lodge]

idk, build?

[wary forge]

it just felt like doing less dmg today chat

[hexed lodge]

not enough WA+influence slop today

[gray quarry]

Damn

[quiet laurel]

xoris is known to get performence anxienty

[quiet laurel]

should do good dmg, explode it in enemy groups

tho use sacrificial steel

[hexed lodge]

looks good tbh, only thing that could drastically improve it is a bane mod but... yk, bane mod

[quiet laurel]

well, after you leveled it up

[ionic marsh]

it's only doing 300-500k for some reason

[wary forge]

are you detonationg the heavy attacks

[ionic marsh]

yep

[quiet laurel]

well with influence it'll do that across all enemies multiple times

you dont use influence glaives on 1 enemy

[solar reef]

tldr use Wolf Sledge instead

[wary forge]

i would say just forma it another time and go 2x sac mods

but urs arent maxed

also crit dmg shards will greatly incrreasde the dmg

same with a faction mod

[solar reef]

faction mods…

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-scared-face-terrified-sweating-gif-26719243

[wary forge]

i mean it tripple dips influence

idk why 95ers hate faction mods they are very strong

[hexed lodge]

honestly loadouts have helped me a lot with bane mods.

[sharp portal]

Found in Overframe, opinions?

[hexed lodge]

but ye Influence with/without bane mods is night and day

[dusky bane]

bad

[hexed lodge]

fyi, Overframe is currently bugged, won't display subsumed abilities, and WA is probably subsumed in the loadout

[wary forge]

tri umbral no persistence chopped ah build

[versed harbor]

nah rly bad, survivability is non existent

[solar reef]

tri umbral, immediate no

[sharp portal]

Any suggestion

[versed harbor]

tri bane O____O

[solar reef]

minds in the riven gutters

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-meme-goofy-goofy-ahh-brainrot-gif-5508898588807313449

[sharp portal]

Any suggestion²

[solar reef]

drop umbral vitality and fiber

add an augur mod of choice and furious Javelin

steel charge can also be dropped for a more valuable aura

same with fury

you dont need those two sources of additive melee damage

especially when furious Javelin is right there

[rich glacier]

Because riar saves 2 mod slots

[dusky bane]

https://overframe.gg/build/390077/

[ionic marsh]

yo guys my xoris still does low damage even on crowds

takes 2-3 explosions against crowds of lvl 145

[solar reef]

the % scales with strength
under the right condition you can get up to 1000% off of it

[sharp portal]

I dont care about base Exc

[dusky bane]

build literally identical

[solar reef]

the builds are the same numb nuts

[dusky bane]

it's the same frame

[sharp portal]

Umbra is more edgy

[solar reef]

Prime frames and non-prime frames use identical builds

[wary forge]

i guess

[solar reef]

Unless theres a shard difference (voruna)

[dusky bane]

volt and garuda too

[sharp portal]

Where can I get it

[hexed lodge]

stacks
the first group is always a struggle, but everything after that will be easier cause of Galv stacks

[solar reef]

Steel Meridian

but yeah, no, building for health/armor is absolutely pointless unless you’re:
A- Using Persistence.
B- Your Frame has a synergy with those two stats

[wary forge]

how does roar save 2 mods slots also u have to go a subsume

[solar reef]

“saves you two mod slots”
it saves you one, because faction mods are only one mod, and it costs you a subsume?

like bro what

[hexed lodge]

tenno got some good bait

[solar reef]

you could run a faction mod + eclipse and out dps just roar by leagues

the only times roar is better is when the frame itself has something that prefers roar (Voruna’s 2)

this is especially on something like Xoris with its AOE deto

[rich glacier]

Thraxes ar eunafiliated and don't have a bane mod. Roar is universal. If you k ow you will fight 1 faction for other missions of course bane is better with a different subsume that boosts damage. Roar is mostly used due to the universal factor

[ionic marsh]

okay then

[solar reef]

Surely you arent justifying its use for Thrax alone

[hexed lodge]

nobody brought Cascade onto chat tho?

[sharp portal]

Looking at other recent guides, literally all recomend using Umbra Mods with the signature Excalibur mods.
Why?

[ionic marsh]

Would sacrificial steel be better than galv for my build?

[solar reef]

Because its overframe

[sharp portal]

Youtube

[solar reef]

oh then you’re looking at the wrong content

[sharp portal]

Is literally everywhere

[solar reef]

The only reason you’d ever use tri-umbral excal is persistence

which is “everywhere” thanks to recency

Generic shield gate builds are still superior

[dusky bane]

even worse

[sharp portal]

Where do you expect me to get builds then

[solar reef]

I would use this, replace Blind rage with Augur Secrets and replace Arcane Crepescular with Molt Augmented

[hexed lodge]

Youtube is better than overframe, is just that Ninjase (and a few goats) are saving the site

[solar reef]

trusted sources or learn how to build properly yourself

[dusky bane]

here or from the other server probably

[dusky bane]

youtube's horrific

[hexed lodge]

didn't say good... "better"

[solar reef]

Youtube just regurgitates overframe builds

[dusky bane]

the only things worse than youtube are reddit and tiktok builds

[solar reef]

This is a Shade/slash dash build as is which is why I recommend the changes

will turn it into a generalist set-up

[hexed lodge]

woah boi, let's not dig into that pithole

[sharp portal]

I've found bad builds here

There's some good of course

[dusky bane]

happens, not everyone's great

[sharp portal]

But not all oponions are correct

[dusky bane]

main thing is to learn how to make builds yourself

[solar reef]

Generally speaking, here you can get second opinions and options

[sharp portal]

I prefer looking at other opinions

[versed harbor]

usually bad builds get majorly bullied in here so u can tell when its good vs bad

:]

[solar reef]

Overframe does NOT have this option

[sharp portal]

I cant because Im not that deep into builds, thats why I prefer looking at different opinions

[solar reef]

But yeah, I feel like this needs to be reiterated for future reasons

New players cant wrap their heads around health/armor being largely irrelevant

[sharp portal]

By the same 4 persons

I need at least 10

Because everyone says different things

[solar reef]

so ping other people who are noteworthy

[hexed lodge]

cause reallistically you don't have to mod for shield-gate until you reach steelpath or arbis
enemy dmg is so low in early game

[sharp portal]

Included friends

[solar reef]

People who dont stress test their build or understand why things work the way they do
shouldnt be giving builds

unless they explicitly state that they have not been stress tested

[sharp portal]

Where can I test a build btw

[dusky bane]

join more communities I suppose

[hexed lodge]

Simulacrum or steelpath (prob survival and/or cascade for stress-testing)

[solar reef]

Running Endurance, hitting Underframe/Simulacrum (though these often dont reflect in-game performance)

[sharp portal]

I dont have too much time a day

[solar reef]

Cascade is the best place to stress-test

[hexed lodge]

this one i relate

[dusky bane]

here + other server should be more than 10 opinions if you post in both

[solar reef]

maybe disruption but that tends to take longer

[sharp portal]

Sinulacrum is the thing where you can spawn enemies by yourself?

[dusky bane]

especially if the build's real bad

[sharp portal]

How can I get simulacrum?

[solar reef]

its good for getting numbers but keep in mind that its too set-up to convery real scenarios

[hexed lodge]

Get simaris rep and buy the simulacrum key in his shop

[sharp portal]

At the moment I only prefer testing damage

[versed harbor]

naw even in terms of damage its pretty unrealistic

[sharp portal]

No armor?

[solar reef]

thats why you stress test in real content

Like Cascade level cap

people are gonna bash on it, but like it or not its the best way to make sure your build can take it

[hexed lodge]

pls don't suggest lvlcap for someone who doesn't "have time"

[solar reef]

it takes 45 minutes to level cap

its not like you’re racing Le Mans

[hexed lodge]

yea, in a squad and with good exo rotation

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

with bad exo rotation its still like like an hour to an hour and fifteen

[sharp portal]

Any good build for Ember btw?

I've already fashioned her

[solar reef]

tragically the best you’ll get is generic weapons platforming

[dusky bane]

her main purpose is fashion sadly

[solar reef]

Ember desparately needs another rework

[dusky bane]

which one is it, chronologically?
23rd?

[solar reef]

Oh boy I sure do love over guard gating for 2 minutes and getting to shoot for 15 seconds

[hexed lodge]

that wasn't the question tho...

[sharp portal]

Her 1 is bad and her 4 needs more damage

[hexed lodge]

honestly, you can trust Ninjase builds for a good source of builds

[sharp portal]

Her 2 is great actually

[solar reef]

her 1 is unironically her best ability

[dusky bane]

funnily enough
the easiest way to buff ember is removing the heat proc from fire blast
that alone will make her weapon platform builds not suck

[solar reef]

not because its great on its own

[sharp portal]

Her 2 can tank too much damage

[solar reef]

https://overframe.gg/build/309617/ember-prime/general-use-weapon-platform-ember-steel-path-nourish-and-other-options/

[hexed lodge]

agree to disagree
1 is bad... without augment, and 4 is mainly used for priming heat and/or augment

[solar reef]

its actually notoriously bad at that comparatively

[dusky bane]

💀

[solar reef]

She and frost compete for the worst overguard generators

[dusky bane]

her 4 literally nerfs heat what are we on about

[solar reef]

I’d say shes better than frost just for spammability reasons

[ionic marsh]

yo guys what would be better for xoris Sac or galv steel?

[hexed lodge]

i meant with heat inherit

[solar reef]

frost just happens to be better at base steel path since he can generate large amounts of it

[dusky bane]

yes, if her 4 procs first, every heat dot after it is WORSE

[quiet laurel]

sac

[dusky bane]

her 4 RUINS heat damage

[solar reef]

but yeah ember needs a big fat rework

she sucked before but at least we had WoF

[hexed lodge]

nobody will disagree on this lol

[solar reef]

Now she sucks AND shes boring

[versed harbor]

just perma spray ogris everywhere to fix heat inherit copium

[solar reef]

*but but but overguard and and energy from her 4!”

like holy copium

They should take example from the current meta, as crummy as that is

giving her level/ehp scaling on her 4 would make a huge difference

[hexed lodge]

at least she has stuff working, hard to compare to other wfs that desperately need more the rework... yk who

[solar reef]

equinox mains when they get to use their favorite warframe (one ability)

[mighty flare]

ember's 4 is bad for energy too, the chance should scale with immolation/strength and not a stagnant 15% chance

[ionic marsh]

should I use gladiator might with it

[solar reef]

shes bad at energy gen AND bad at overguard gen

[quiet laurel]

dont think xoris has space for glad might

[solar reef]

her overguard gen should be over-time rather than on cast

[hexed lodge]

Amalgam organ shatter already covers your crit dmg

[versed harbor]

who needs a rework more than ember tbh

[dusky bane]

probably uhhh
honestly nobody

[versed harbor]

I hear loki alot but lokis literally fine

[solar reef]

i’d argue equinox
i dont care how good maim is, because thats ALL equinox is

[dusky bane]

she's number 1 priority, but there's a lot of number 2s

[hexed lodge]

equinox, loki, limbo, chroma, octavia just to name a few

[solar reef]

Two whole kits and you use one ability

[dusky bane]

horrific take

[solar reef]

Loki doesnt need a complete rework, just his 4 and his passive

[dusky bane]

I'd argue decoy too

[solar reef]

Octavia does NOT need a rework, nor does Limbo

[versed harbor]

give him one morbillion crit chance and multiplicative dmg by wall latching weee

[solar reef]

make his 4th apply microwave to heads

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[mighty flare]

loki needs tweaks, pablo was on something else talking about "loki becoming a nuker" thing, makes no sense

• make Irradiating Disarm actually apply rad
• give him a real passive
• retouch decoy so there aren't 3 augments but you only ever use 1

[solar reef]

loki doesnt need to be a nuker

i hate that mentality

[gray quarry]

Idk ember needs one badly

[versed harbor]

what if he had a passive that made any of his ccs bypass overguard

[solar reef]

its why people think hes bad to begin with

[hexed lodge]

what do you even consider a rework tbh? like nidus/vauban recent changes? or a massive changes on abilities?
If you want me to be more accurate, then yes... some don't need reworks, more like tweaks/retouches

[solar reef]

those two dont even need tweaks

[dusky bane]

IMO the list of needed reworks is
atlas, banshee, chroma, ember, equinox, loki, nyx, qorvex, revenant and styanax

[solar reef]

styanax????

[versed harbor]

idm qorvex

[dusky bane]

he does nothing except live and aura farm

[solar reef]

Hes a great weapons platformer

[dusky bane]

great is a stretch

[hexed lodge]

limbo needs vfx changes tho, yes Octavia needs a rework cause the kit is boring asf, when was the last time you saw one octavia?

[dusky bane]

boring is subjective

I agree on the vfx for limbo tho

[solar reef]

I mean the most notorious mod here is an Octavia main

I see them every now and then when I LC cascade

there are frames far less picked than her that definitely dont need reworks

usage rate ≠ rework needed

[dusky bane]

low popularity != needs a rework

[solar reef]

like Grendel/Grendel P are ranked 4th/5th least used respectively

And Grendel is a phenomenal warframe

[gray quarry]

Melee platform grendel

[hexed lodge]

i agree, but her kit it's still very uninteractive tho, just like Chromas

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-meme-blocked-bateman-patrick-patrick-bateman-gif-25526259

[dire terrace]

small qyestion @mighty flare what voruna build is more fun with,. the all 4 or mecha?

[gray quarry]

[solar reef]

neither, melee

[dusky bane]

issue is her entire kit is good and chroma has 1 and a half ability

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-please-do-not-the-cat-gif-11013093716903899251

[atomic meadow]

Can someone send a good low forma panzer (pls no 4×4, I'd rather use forma) and claws build? Im having trouble deciding what to focus on with the claws and if i should run contagious bond on it (idk if it's gonna be strong enough to proc contagious bond comfortably). The main frames im running currently are wukong dante and uriel

[dire terrace]

but which is generally best?

[solar reef]

melee is best

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-smile-joyus-goofy-gif-8503284659254790420

[versed harbor]

id only want an octavia rework to make her fun but itll probably take sooo much effort

[hexed lodge]

her entire kit can rely on 2 1/2 abilities and be fine tho, just like Chroma

doesn't mean they are bad, just less interactive

[solar reef]

chroma is just two and you dont use half of both of those abilities

[dusky bane]

you literally use everything except 2

and her 2 is great on everyone except her

[solar reef]

the only thing i’d change about octavia is make using boring songs more punishing/less rewarding

[dire terrace]

any shared builds?

[solar reef]

tired of the best octavia song being the same beat spammed

[dusky bane]

real lmfao

[hexed lodge]

this tbh

[mighty flare]

is it for stuff like this?

• ember needs rework so she can excel at casting and have more than 1 ability
• styanax's get 4 tweaked so it can crit
• chroma isn't just credit & dmg buffer
• equinox so her forms compliment each other, form switching is rewarded
• banshee so she's more than just sonar spamming
• qorvex has better single-target ttk with 4 and 2 is less janky

id also say

• ivara so her build setups can work and not nerfed to hell and back

[gray quarry]

So 3 octavias in the mission should be playing it full blast

[solar reef]

this is my set-up
its focused around melee platforming + her 2
Uses either Roar or WA over her 4 (Roar preferrwd)

Rolling guard is a flex slot depending on how often you switch passives

[dire terrace]

whats the 4th ablity?

[mighty flare]

technically these are not exclusive
melee is best but if you like her 4, sure go for it, it's fine for normal content

[solar reef]

Vorunas 4th is her “all fours” attack

[dire terrace]

so you change no abilities?

[solar reef]

no no

You subsume over it woth Roar or WA

[dusky bane]

sty needs his 3 changed completely and his 4 tweaked
chroma needs his 1 and 4 to do something and 2+3 QoL imo
ye, equinox is bang on
banshee needs a more useful 1 and 4, needs sonar to count for weakpoints
qorvex needs massive buffs imo, half his kit does nothing so he just has a mediocre nuke that makes him immune
ivara's a good call, that conc arrow nerf was diabolical

[solar reef]

as said in the previous post

[dire terrace]

ye i couldnt understand the icon of that build thats why i asked

[hexed lodge]

many players like to use the word "rework" even for small touch-ups, so this convo always gets confusing
but i agree with this list, some wfs need touch-ups, some need reworks, sometimes to make them more powerful, others just to make them more practical/versatile

[solar reef]

Thats my WA setup but the Roar build is identical

the only difference is the subsume

You can also drop range in favor of more strength for pure melee focus but imo thats pointless and a waste

[dire terrace]

hmm, whats WA?

[dusky bane]

wrathful advance

[solar reef]

Roar is preferred for 2/Melee setups

[gray quarry]

This qorvexes me

[solar reef]

as it also benefits her DOT’s

[mighty flare]

the way i understood it was like
rework: ember, chroma, ivara, equinox, banshee, qorvex, atlas
tweaks: styanax, loki, nyx, limbo

[gray quarry]

Wrathful advance, kullervos subsume

[dusky bane]

sty needs a full rework nah

[versed harbor]

weapons platform qorvex my copium beloved

[gray quarry]

[dusky bane]

he does nothing but live and aura farm

[solar reef]

the only thing i’d change about styanax is making his grouping innate, and maybe making his 2 castable during his 4

[hexed lodge]

i think equinox just needs tweaks, her numbers are just so low, the kit is great
(ofc, 4th augment basekit)

[dusky bane]

jack of all trades, but he's outclassed in every single one

[dusky bane]

bro has to be ragebaiting

[solar reef]

Also styanax needs to be made available on earth

[quiet laurel]

the kit really isnt great, its 1 ability thats great

[gray quarry]

Sadly ember got a “rework” not long ago so doubt she’ll get another

[solar reef]

her numbers are HUGE

she has one of the strongest nukes in the game

[dusky bane]

imo his 3 needs a complete overhaul the way hydroid's puddle got
and his 1 and 4 need tweaks

[solar reef]

The problem is just that she only has that

[hexed lodge]

she has DR, crowd-control, buffs, debuffs etc... problem, numbers

[gray quarry]

So he throws javelins and shields?

[versed harbor]

tbh night nox has a few good abilities but ye nobodys using that

u gotta sacrifice too much to run a switchnox

[solar reef]

you dont use any of this

[dusky bane]

until they rework how overguard works, any pure cc ability is considered mid

[solar reef]

thats the problem with equinox

[dusky bane]

with maybe the exception of silence

[solar reef]

She has tools but none of them synergize stat-wise between her forms and its all futile when Maim just kills everything

[hexed lodge]

exactly, cause her abilities base numbers are so pitiful, it's not worth modding for them

[solar reef]

maim is one of the strongest number-makers in the game

idk why you keep pretending she doesnt do damage

damage is not her problem

[versed harbor]

ye stat synergy is the big thing

day needs high range doesnt need strength

night needs high strength doesnt need / want as high range

[mighty flare]

yea sorta
equinox is like protea 4 in which she has lots of utility but you never get to use any of it

[solar reef]

its just that theres no reason to use 80% of her kit

[hexed lodge]

never said dmg was a problem... i'm referring to her survivability mainly

[quiet laurel]

the thing with equinox is there is 0 need to use the rest of her kit and mostly just hinders you or makes her gameplay uncomfortable if you wanna use the other abilities

[naive hinge]

should i use condition overloard on valkyr ?

[versed harbor]

and energy transfer is another mod slot u gotta use

waste*

[solar reef]

if you can proc 2 or more status effects then it is better than Primed Pressure Point

[mighty flare]

"rework" and more like de cut ember at the heels

[naive hinge]

with panzer to put ?

[solar reef]

i mean DE is aware of her poor state

[naive hinge]

is valkyr weapon with it multiplicative or ?

[solar reef]

Rebeccas pointed at it and called Pablo out on making her even worse on stream

[dusky bane]

I feel like they're fine with it the way they're keeping her bad

[gray quarry]

De cut her shins off, she’s barely able to move around

[gray quarry]

honestly probably deserved

[naive hinge]

i forgot what was better multiplicative or being added ?

[solar reef]

The only melees that will be multiplicative with are projectile/energy melees

[dusky bane]

multi in most cases

[solar reef]

multiplcative obviously

raw numbers wise at least

[mighty flare]

pablo tweeted about coming for mesa's 3 too

kick em while they're down

[solar reef]

i dont play mesa so i wont talk on that

[quiet laurel]

pablo just nerfing and changing random things no one asked about

[gray quarry]

Nooooo

[worldly dirge]

can someone give me a good build for gauss as a weapon platform? gonna go for dual toxocyst incarnon on him

[solar reef]

Pablos done like 4 good things and half of them are shadow buffs

[gray quarry]

Can we make pablo play the frame he’s cutting the shins off next?