builds-discussion

[craggy niche]

no it's not

[novel bear]

Efficiency is much better than duration for channeled

Calculations are different

[near vortex]

STASIS CHANNELED ABILITY WHEN
PLEASE DE

[gray iris]

join the server for cascade and there’s a build for almost every frame in there, i can inv you

[novel bear]

Though just putting on fleeting efficiency with nothing else is neutral

[craggy niche]

this from the guy that insists he's consistently more right than ninjase mind you

🤣

[craggy niche]

alot of people don't know this but efff effectiveness on channeled abilities can exceed it's 175 cap lmao

[novel bear]

Yep

The 175 cap is for actual cost reduction

Which comes after efficiency and duration’s effects are calculated

[charred gale]

hey stop talking about cascade😡

[gray iris]

mb twin

[charred gale]

just dont do it again

[gray iris]

or what🫃

[eternal prism]

that's true but that's because we can get more dur overall

but this mod doesn't make sense for such skills

[craggy niche]

no it's not. effeciency is literally a higher calc in the calculation for channeled abilities bro lol

[charred gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150797852029767781/1474051422550098092/meme.gif

[novel bear]

No, it’s because the calculations are different
Cost of a channeled ability is (1/D)*(2-E)
Efficiency gets better the more you have, while duration gets worse the more you have

Increasing returns vs diminishing returns

[gray iris]

too much math, time to play roblox

[craggy niche]

the math doesn't math for you bro. at my current dur/eff i am literally at the peak of what can be attained for channeled ability effeciency at roughly 25% of the OG cost value. just removing fleeting puts me at 220 dur which gives me a value of 45.4%

even at 130 effeciency with streamline and 220 duration that would put me at 31.7% of the cost value, which is still a sizeably worse slot. literally wrong bro

refer to the chart if you're ever confused in the future

[eternal prism]

streamline is inferior by literally 1 energy per second
in exchange for which all other abilities will need to be cast less

[craggy niche]

that wasn't your point, you are literally wrong bro

plus the abilities would cost more to cast on a already energy hoover of a build lol

proven wrong so now he just changes the argument lol

ngl that's pretty embarrasing for someone that likes to argue as much as you

[eternal prism]

As I said, spending 60 dur for a minor benefit doesn't make sense

[craggy niche]

1.42 energy a second is a massive difference for a build that relies one 100 percent channeled uptime

[eternal prism]

u have 2 energy sources

[craggy niche]

and you are changing you're argument because you're wrong and embarassed

good day sir lol, i have won

[eternal prism]

no, because these calculations are for lower values ​​where the difference is almost minimal for negative/positive values

What can you see in the table you sent

[craggy niche]

it's a percentage based table bro

[eternal prism]

yes

[craggy niche]

you are literally wrong lol just stop it's embarassing bro

[eternal prism]

If you look closely, you'll see what I was talking about

[craggy niche]

no

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1481425861616861275/attachment.gif

[craggy niche]

you were not talking about that lol

[quiet laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-am-i-looking-at-cat-confused-gif-25251297

[eternal prism]

then relax and think that you are right

[craggy niche]

you were saying efficiency and duration have a equal effect on channeled abilities

[eternal prism]

use nourish and nexus also

[craggy niche]

and you were wrong and are now cooking up something unrelated to argue about lol

[eternal prism]

for smaller values ​​yes

[craggy niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wrong-not-1

[eternal prism]

u still can get neg dur btw

In any case, stremline will always be better than this mod

[craggy niche]

that would be this section of the table sir, you are wrong about this as well

[eternal prism]

The fewer corrupted mods you use, the better your build

[tired mountain]

how do i build nekros i jus got him and am really just building off other builds

[eternal prism]

no eclipse😨

[tired mountain]

idk what im doin;-;

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-annoying-stop-please-gif-9350910756886809113

[tired mountain]

elp me

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-porch-ai-sora-flying-gif-17235616807536186425

[craggy niche]

also uhhhh on this build in particular nothing aside from roar has duration dependant values, not mesmer nor reave cares, AND roar is simply a fixer for lower level startup until you can start cascading enemy damage, at which point it kinda just becomes a waste to cast in the first place because you delete everything with its own damage with ease and strip everything around you

so not only were you wrong about your original argument, but also objectively wrong about the one you tried to fabricate after being proven wrong. nonetheless lots of newer players come here looking for help and builds, please try not to spread misinformation in the future.

[daring summit]

hey all, i lost my reference images for the pumpkin spice mirage set up. how do i need to fix this?

[eternal prism]

duration affects the stun from the 2nd ability
which gives you more survivability potential when u spin
In any case, streamline will almost always be better
especially with a energy source like yours

[craggy niche]

taking away incoming damage would take away damage from the build you nonce lol

[novel bear]

Also the stun is barely a survivability upgrade with how strong mesmer skin already is

1 second invulnerability per charge is hard to beat

[eternal prism]

This is just an example for those lazy enough to press buttons. I'm also including roar here so have to press it less often

[craggy niche]

roar and energize is only needed for lower level content if you want to spin to win to begin with at that low of stuff.

[quiet laurel]

rev spin scales with lvl btw

[craggy niche]

it's not by level, it's by enemy damage but essentially, yes

[novel bear]

And enemy damage scales exponentially

[craggy niche]

but yeah, surefire build that scales infinitely positive and only requires 2 button presses every 20 seconds and however often you wanna hit reave for the zoomies, the one could be literally whatever you want, and energize is easily slotted off for basically anything else i just found energy draughts when i was going full spin to win at base level sp and didn't wanna run around and do regular rev stuff

[eternal prism]

I'll let you solve the riddle of why energy costs don't change for channeled with these stats.
You'll probably understand that to some extent I'm right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1481425861616861275/attachment.gif

[craggy niche]

bro you're literally wrong and it's honestly embarrasing at this point lol. i'm just gonna let you wallow in it

[quiet laurel]

from what I see you say he is wrong when his proof is right above your message

[eternal prism]

Well, you can not believe me, but I already said that my rule applies to lower stats

[craggy niche]

he's already been proven wrong, just scroll up lol

[eternal prism]

And when I hinted that streamline is always better because if you trade one stat for another you get too little benefit

[craggy niche]

he's just been shifting his point around until he can be right and it's sad lol

textbook defintioin of flailing at this point

[craggy niche]

yes surely everyone that builds with blind rage, transient fortitude, or any of the other must have corrupted mods are just wrong lol

[eternal prism]

In any case, try to guess the riddle of why it turns out like in the screenshot

I just gave an example, it also works for negative dur

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1481425861616861275/attachment.gif

[craggy niche]

nah bro i'm just gonna post this and let you keep embarrasing yourself

have a good evening lol.

[eternal prism]

If you scroll down, I wrote that this works for lower values

what you missed

[craggy niche]

after being proven wrong for your original point with me and @novel bear pointing that out you came up with something else to argue about we know

[novel bear]

Not how it works

[craggy niche]

also lower values would imply positive at that point in your strawman.. which was also proven wrong

[eternal prism]

I know how it works, but I just gave an example and even calculated on a calculator that it has too little benefit

[craggy niche]

to a build that none of the abilities care about dur on.

wrong again lol

[eternal prism]

roar

[craggy niche]

again, low level start up

https://klipy.com/gifs/wrong-not-1

[eternal prism]

This works for absolutely any platform skill

more dur = u happy

[craggy niche]

bro i'm not gonna let you get away from just changing your argument until you're right.

you were wrong. deal with it

you actually argued about how wrong you were extensively yesterday with someone else, they just didn't have the motivation to prove you wrong about it then

[eternal prism]

Are you saying that using fewer corrupted mods in a build is a bad argument?

[novel bear]

Yes

Awful argument

Point of corrupted mods is to minmax

You almost always want more strength
Most builds don’t need that much efficiency and can supplement

[craggy niche]

your original point was that duration is equal to eff in a channeled ability, in almost every way you can warp the stats, you are completely and inherently wrong

[eternal prism]

This is a great argument for almost any frame
sacrificing something doesn't always = greater benefit

[craggy niche]

this other stuff is just you flailing and grasping at straws cuz it literally drives you mad that you could be wrong in a video game discord.

i think its hilarious personally

[eternal prism]

I already wrote about this a couple of days ago... when the conversation turned to this. I don't remember if you were there, but in general, I wasn't the only one there with the same opinion. I recommend you read it sometime

[craggy niche]

because noone proved you wrong then, now they did and you are flailing

[eternal prism]

But if you don't want to, that's okay. Someday you'll understand what I was talking about

[craggy niche]

girl that wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

[eternal prism]

Why didn't prove it? They did.

[craggy niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wrong-not-1

[eternal prism]

It's just that I wasn't the only one writing about it that time
Again, you can search if you're interested

[craggy niche]

if this behavior from step above is not a reason to never take his word as gospel idk what is. bro was directly proven wrong about a claim he was stating about fact and he just tries to shift the argument around until he can be right again

i'll rest my case here

[quiet laurel]

I mean I looked at the wiki and it does seem like they dont scale the same
(never bothered with channeled ability scaling)

[eternal prism]

it not same

but when it comes to negative things, it will be the same or almost the same

[craggy niche]

#builds-discussion message

that wasn't your argument earlier or yesterday when you were stating that nonsense as fact either

[eternal prism]

at low stats the difference is extremely small

[craggy niche]

this is not extremely small bro that's a quotient of 4.5 percent lol

well the picture is

but i digress

i'm going to bed you just keep chattin your way out bro you'll get there someday i believe in you

[eternal prism]

Now take as an example 20 energy per second which will be insignificant

[craggy niche]

These are percentages bro not energy values

[eternal prism]

i know
percentage also affects channeled

[craggy niche]

Yeah no shit

There is nothing that you can say that will unwrong yourself bro

[eternal prism]

probably because I wasn't mistaken when I said that they are equal at lower values

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-annoying-stop-please-gif-9350910756886809113

[craggy niche]

You said duration and efficiency were directly exchangable in the channeled duration calc as a whole.

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-wrong-not-right-gif-14695153867752834726

Flailing smh

[eternal prism]

when the values ​​are equal to 200% in total, they will not provide any benefit for channeled

example 40eff and 160 dur still doesn't change anything except the energy cost of casting

[craggy niche]

Cool story bro

So its literally worse got it

[eternal prism]

try it yourself

[craggy niche]

No

Because you're not going to win this man lol

[eternal prism]

if 160 eff and 40 dur same

[craggy niche]

You're literally just changing your argument until you're right bro, dear God are you this miserable lmao

Have a good night buddy and consider medication

[eternal prism]

No. I was initially talking about low values

and you could have gone to bed long ago gn

[regal thunder]

guys what kind of build do u suggest for my nova prim, i once played with this 1 player who was just emoting in place and the flying orbs were literally carpet bombing the entire arena

[eternal prism]

You have an interesting example

[regal thunder]

yeah 😭 i'm a newbie so i rlly don't know mods enough, and on yt there r a lot of diff variants of a nova build so i'm not sure which one is feasible at MR6 and not and yada yada

[eternal prism]

I'm not sure at what values ​​Nova reaches the cap for her abilities. I recommend checking out the wiki.
and rely on this when building

[regal thunder]

okay thank so you so much :D

[cursive peak]

I have this build. It's quite a bit of setup, happy to share

[limber notch]

Asking for a friend (me) but does arcane crepuscular work on Voruna? 😸

[regal thunder]

ohh suree, idk if i'll be able to make it but i wudnt mind a recommendation :D

[cursive peak]

So, instead of dumping a small guide, check youtube for a null star crit build

[eternal prism]

Yes but u can use better
Voruna has poor invisibility

[random prawn]

Is molt augmented needed on Mag Prime?

[eternal prism]

Depends on the build, but it's best not to drop below 100

It can be compensated by molt atleast

[random prawn]

thinking of replacing umbra intensify with transient fortitude

and replace molt augmented with arcane aegis

[regal thunder]

AS YOU SAY

[random prawn]

Ik duration isn't needed on mag prime for most builds

but I'm running a well of life build so gotta have some duration

[eternal prism]

Depends on the skill you use
2nd for example, this is really not necessary.
But what if ur mag platform

The duration here only affects how much potential damage you can deal per explosion

Shorter duration, less damage, but more explosions.

[random prawn]

I like the duration because I can watch things get sucked in longer

do not say ayo

[eternal prism]

Well, that's how builds for frames usually have to be done

There is nothing wrong with that
If you like it why not use it

Secret builds are still a thing

You know what's written here, right?

[random prawn]

o

[random prawn]

uh

[eternal prism]

It says rest in peace here

[random prawn]

...

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-annoying-stop-please-gif-9350910756886809113

[random prawn]

You ruined my night

I hate Warframe builds

I hate you.

[eternal prism]

Sorry I'm from russia😭

[random prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/таинственноедерево-мдроедерево-25-дерево-тебе25-gif-26895001

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191157234261033150/1402045900876156948/togif.gif

[random prawn]

turkey vay hek

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/shakeywobbles-cat-funny-crying-wobbly-gif-7691089864153619316

[random prawn]

Why is it all cats???

It's always cats

The cats are the orokin

[eternal prism]

Because the rest of the gifs are in russian

[random prawn]

oh...

You sent me back to hell

I'm DEAD NOW

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/winkythedwarfcat-winky-cat-sad-tired-gif-6471914036130722371

[summer moon]

did i miss something interesting? xD

[eternal prism]

Not much, but missed

[rough saddle]

is there any other good slam weapons beside the magistar?

[night laurel]

tenet exec

apparently Vitrica if you wanna get avant garde with it

[eternal prism]

yareli with magistar

[lean tendon]

Sampotes and Arca Titron

[fierce lark]

coda mire, coda motovore

dark sword apparently

[past hornet]

guys can I ask in this channel which better riven roll I got? or its in a different channel?

[green gyro]

coda mire

it's not as good but it synergizes better with frames like nezha

dark sword is just a far worse version of coda mire, ppl only like it because a YouTuber made a video

[random oasis]

thx 🙏🏾

[past hornet]

guys can I ask which riven is better for a dmg verglas build?

[lucid flint]

you can go with the classic jat kittag

[lucid flint]

okay do listen to someone else, but I think the left one.
You want to hit the crit threshold of 50 on verglas so you can use tenacious bond and verglas already kills everything. Multishot just means more status to spread with nautilus mods. Verglas can already hit extreme damage without extra base damage

[past hornet]

ty for ur feedback !

[fierce lark]

right is better

status duration is a dead stat, i don’t think contagious bond changes that

[lucid flint]

Is it really going to be better than multishot

[fierce lark]

multishot is one stat, just like everything else

the only advantage it has on verglas is the double dipping status dmg on beam weapons, but a lot of the damage is raw anyways

3 good stats > 2 good stats

[viral crown]

archon vitality- Uriel’s 4 does is make the damage hit twice on an enemy or does it only add an extra tick of heat damage

[eternal prism]

extra heat

[acoustic bluff]

Just use magistar

[eternal prism]

and yareli

[inland saddle]

Is Excalibur mods compatible with umbra?

[spare linden]

Yeah, all of them

[inland saddle]

I'm choosing the chromatic blade mod, is there any chart for the damage type on that augment?

It says damage type varies on Excalibur emissive colour

[lean tendon]

Chromatic Blade's color selection is based on Excalibur's primary emission color:

• White, grey, black, and some faded colors make Cold.
• Blue and purple hues make Electricity.
• Red, magenta, brown, orange and bright yellow hues make Heat.
• Green, lime, teal and dark yellow hues make Toxin.

^ from official wiki

[inland saddle]

Thanks

[lean tendon]

https://imgur.com/a/chromas-elements-with-corresponding-colors-FVUu2

might help as well

[inland saddle]

Thanks this was very helpful

[opal leaf]

Wait... Umbra's sword will have status base on Color????

Or it's just purely cosmetics...

[hollow plover]

blank slate for a mesa build, i need help understanding how to build her and what loadout i should use

[hollow plover]

status based on emissive color using Chromatic blade augment

[lean tendon]

You get the element

[opal leaf]

Can you explain a hi more if that's OK?

[hollow plover]

@opal leaf basically this, it procs status with upto 300% chance based on mod level

that electricity dmg is coming from the augment

[opal leaf]

Oh shit that's so cool!!!!

[eternal prism]

secret mesa slam

[storm fog]

Heard kullvero might be one of the craziest frames of all time you agree?

[fast solar]

I’ma returning mr19 player played back in 2016. What are some beginners weapon to start steel path?

[opal leaf]

I would say so, he is a god damn raging melee platformer

[hard dove]

nataruk

[fast solar]

Is cedo prime viable? I have farmed it but I don’t have high end mods for any weapon yet

[hard dove]

yes its more than viable

it is very very good

[fast solar]

What mods can i put on it?

Or is there any website where i can check?

[hard dove]

https://overframe.gg/build/816108/
use normal variants of galvanized/primed mods if you dont have them

[fast solar]

Thank budd

[storm fog]

I heard ever since his two augments, he just can’t die now which is good

[opal leaf]

Yup

[storm fog]

I only know of his first augment, not really how good the newer one is

[opal leaf]

The augment for his 2?

[static sphinx]

Is it better than it was?

[fast solar]

Well, I only have 2/3 mods 🙁

[primal ibex]

Can someone drop a diriga build for mr8

[storm fog]

I think

[eternal prism]

looks better. cuz u not need cc for ogris but cd fine

and base damage also fine

stop it - cd

then 1 better

but even if it were +cd, you still need a multishot, for example

or toxin

[brittle sleet]

So the way to look at this is that the reroll doesn't replace any mod successfully (could replace Amalgam Serration but you usually wanna run Heavy Caliber for the -accuracy). The other one, however, can successfully replace Viral mods, saving you a mod slot while slotting over another mod. Ogris does really like its status chance though so a negative as well as just making that crit chance turn into status will often be superior

-Crit damage, while crit isn't meaningful for the weapon's damage, does hurt when you consider how often a high hit-per-second weapon like this hits

[eternal prism]

crit ogris better then non crit

This has a pretty good effect on the total damage

At least for a not very high level. In general, where ogris is used without a platform

[brittle sleet]

Crit everything is better than non-crit because of how crit works

[eternal prism]

Well, if going to look for riven, then only with a cd roll

[brittle sleet]

You gotta elaborate on what you mean

[eternal prism]

or at least a toxin/multishot

[brittle sleet]

Are you trying to say what stats should be sought after on the riven?

[eternal prism]

In general, what you said is -cd is not essential for ogris

that is, meaning its complete absence

[brittle sleet]

What I said was that negative crit damage hurts DPS

[eternal prism]

Maybe I translated it wrong, but it seemed to me that you were saying the opposite

"-Crit damage, while crit isn't meaningful for the weapon's damage"

[brittle sleet]

Easy to confuse with shorthands like the - (negative) sign at the start

Crit isn't meaningful for the weapon's damage, no one builds the Ogris for crit because of it, but it hurts the weapon's DPS meaningfully

Would be the clearest way I could think to reword it that any level of translation should work with

[eternal prism]

Why arent build? This is literally one of the most damagbuilds with avenger without platform

Because without a platform, it won't do any damage at all, but with a crit, it will at least kill without a platform

from the explosion

[brittle sleet]

Well using Avenger kind of suggests you're using the Warframe('s arcane) to contribute to the weapon's build already

And assuming we're talking Kuva Ogris it definitely does still kill without platform, though yes it will go crazier with one, as all things do

[eternal prism]

something similar for avenger

[brittle sleet]

Vigilante Supplies over Sniper Mutation tbh

[eternal prism]

it has very low base damage. It's hard for it without a platform.
explosion damage is not bad overall

[eternal prism]

why
vigilante give 30%

sniper 50

[brittle sleet]

Its base damage isn't low at all with valence bonuses, and the hits per second is meaningful

I don't think Vigilante or Sniper give more than 1 ammo per secondary ammo drop, meanwhile Vigilante will give you increased crit tier with its set bonus

[eternal prism]

i have full mod pack in comp

[brittle sleet]

Even if Sniper does give 2 ammo per drop, the 1 is sufficient generally

[brittle sleet]

Nice when you have your companion for sure

[eternal prism]

i can fast revive

cus it on;y for buffs

[brittle sleet]

There are companionless game modes

To say nothing of when you just wanna run your beast companion for farming or whatever instead either

[static sphinx]

I just want to have a good set of stat bonuses on ogris riven, but I don't know which ones I should look for.

I might reroll a few times more if it's still bad.

So, should I reroll again?

[brittle sleet]

Actually yeah no Ammo Mutation will give more than 1 extra ammo on the Ogris

You could run Vigilante unranked and get the same benefit lol

[brittle sleet]

The general idea is to look for stats that will replace mods you would run on it without a riven. +Damage -accuracy replaces Heavy Caliber if the stats are high enough for example

[eternal prism]

well, it's not a big difference anyway. I dont remember any mode other than circuit, where theres no companion. There, I use the operator

[static sphinx]

If I'm being honest, I doubt I will use ogris. I just want to have generally good riven, so that I might be able to sell it for a decent amount.

[brittle sleet]

So, assuming you wanna run the generic good build for the Ogris, you'd be looking for multishot, status chance with cold or toxin or electric, or the aforementioned damage, with -accuracy or a generic good negative like -zoom

If you wanna sell I'd suggest just going to look at the market for the weapon to see what's selling

[eternal prism]

crit/no crit
left one wins even more with the platform because it won't have to wait for status ticks

im not put reload speed and that's the only reason difference here isn't that big

well for crit build i can atleast use reload speed mod

cus for heat i need 3 status mods

otherwise it simply won't work

[static sphinx]

Damage, multishot, status chance seem to be among the most expensive ones (even though some of them are overpriced as hell). Seems like the ones you mentioned first have most demand overall.

[tardy lily]

weird question, does anyone have any idea of how to make the Afuris Prime not-terrible? (Preferably while using Arcane Fortifier so it has a use case for me that my primary doesn't replace)

[brittle sleet]

If you're gonna build it into Fortifier as a niche then, while obviously there's a limit to how good you can make it, it'll be notable to build it for crits and magnetic damage (to do extra damage to the overguard)

Unfortunately it's more of a status hose, after checking its stats, so you're fighting a bit of an uphill battle there

[charred frigate]

Those are the only four mods on this, what else should i add to make it better?

[eternal prism]

idk afuris have bad cc cd
but good status
and bad base damage...

[hollow plover]

wow

[eternal prism]

scope in trash atleast

[brittle sleet]

Best advice comes if you show the stats

On the riven

[brittle sleet]

Galvanized Scope can be pretty hilarious on the Grakata with its Brain Storm augment and cold+corrosive

[hollow plover]

plz help dont know how to play mesa

[brittle sleet]

I wouldn't bother running Critical Delay at that point though, regular crit chance mod at most and probably not even that because modding gets tight on the gun

[brittle sleet]

https://overframe.gg/build/374699/mesa-prime/bang-bang-for-the-buck-beginners-budget-mesa-no-forma-no-exilus/
https://overframe.gg/build/269030/mesa-prime/nourished-gunslinger-nourish-muzzle-flash-steel-path-mesa/

Best places to start reading about where to go with her

[hollow plover]

thanks gang

[eternal prism]

finaly my new incarnon

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-deglove-degloving-speed-grolemcorp-gif-2628858460915389297

[brittle sleet]

Really surprised he doesn't mention Brightbonnet as a subsume pick for Mesa though actually, that's gotten super popular

[eternal prism]

but for what it?

[brittle sleet]

I don't understand your question

Why is Brightbonnet popular?

[eternal prism]

he doesn't mention Brightbonnet

yes

[brittle sleet]

It's just endless energy for Mesa and pretty handily addresses her energy economy issues

[eternal prism]

nourish?

[brittle sleet]

I think I see why ninjase doesn't use it, since building for strength doesn't benefit much because it's additive to weapon damage

But not addressing it when it's popular seems a bit off

[brittle sleet]

Also helps, just doesn't solve the issue 100% on its own

Hence ninjase also doing things like running Streamline on the build

[eternal prism]

I had this build for level cap and I don't understand why people say Mesa needs a lot of energy. overall, this was enough for me
provided I spammed skill 4

[wide verge]

best way to charge up gauss passivE?

[eternal prism]

I also wanted to try a build with increased duration

and without augment

[mighty flare]

its just a flex slot, mesa is fine with less

[eternal prism]

u mean redline? spam 1

[wide verge]

alr

[hollow plover]

guys how does limbo work

[mighty flare]

• Banish --> Tap is to put enemies in the opposite plane of Limbo. Hold is just to free everyone from the Rift
  • If limbo in rift, then tap puts enemies in normal plane & vice versa
• Stasis is just freezing enemies in the Rift, or just their bullets if they're status immune
• Rift Surge is to spread Banish/Cataclysm from killed/freed enemies in the Rift to enemies further away
  • If you free rifted surged enemies with hold Banish or decasting Cataclysm, they'll go back into the rift while spreading it to more enemies
• Cataclysm forces everyone into the rift
  usual combo is tap 1 --> rift surge --> hold 1, or with his 4 instead of 1

[novel bear]

Cast cold twice then again whenever the bar starts to go down

[wide verge]

is this good gauss gun build?

[hollow plover]

how does his passive tie into this?

[mighty flare]

when you dash, you jump into opposite plane (regular or rift)

• if you dash into rift, you leave a portal that allies/enemies can walk into to enter the rift

While in the rift, limbo has passive energy recovery (like energy nexus) and killing enemies in the rift grant him extra energy

so combo tap 1 + rift surge + hold 1, then dash into the kill them for lots of energy
you want stasis up all the time so enemies don't kill you in the rift lol

for squad play, you prob don't wanna have rift surge cuz that is what usually "trolls" your teammates

[hexed lodge]

Limbo is quite the warframe to understand, might be best to check for an advanced guide to learn him properly

[mighty flare]

you dont really need an advanced guide, guy is a bit overrated in how difficult he is

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-annoying-stop-please-gif-9350910756886809113

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-otter-aty-petting-squish-gif-26523506

[hexed lodge]

If Limbo isn't difficult to understand, who is it then?

[eternal prism]

Troll frame

[mighty flare]

i simply dont see warframe as a difficult game

[hexed lodge]

fair

[hollow plover]

can i not enemies in the normal plane while im in rift?

[mighty flare]

normally no, but there are weapon/abilities that can bypass that issue

[hollow plover]

such as?

[undone dust]

this game too hard im stupid

[mighty flare]

• any ability damage: breach surge, smite, pyrotechnics, exalted weapons
• melee influence, pax seeker
• zymos' spores
• companion abilities: synergized prospectus, null audit, etc..

theres more

[craggy niche]

Limbo weird and his warframe look stupid

I have the whole limbo prime set and I refuse to make it just cuz he look stupid

[mighty flare]

the usual (simplest) is running an influence glaive with his rift torrent augment then spreading influence to enemies outside the rift by hitting enemies inside

[swift ore]

for seismic bond, does the buff need to be snapshotted? ie stop my channel skill and recast it to get the effect of the buff or does it apply to all active channeled abilities automagically?

[haughty pagoda]

Recast required for them

[zenith mauve]

chat, can anyone help me with a general SP felarx build? :)

[modern yoke]

Anyone mind helping me with an Unranked Jade Build? Just crafted her

[mighty flare]

do you want to use her exalted ability?

[modern yoke]

Ye

[deep grotto]

I’m still having trouble figuring this one out
Do you run base 90’s when you don’t have primed mods or
Run 6060’s?

Like it has gunco so wouldn’t more status chance be better?

Yes i know this was a month ago but i finally got around to having him work on the build

[mighty flare]

jade likes high range & high strength, if you don't like neg eff, you can swap it out for some qol like fast deflection or rolling guard
open arcane slot is for your preference
do you want to use the primary fire of glory? or the alt-fire?

[modern yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[mighty flare]

i ask because they build for different stats
do you want the build for both?

[modern yoke]

Sure

[mighty flare]

primary fire, exilus can be lethal momentum

• open slot for bane/anemic agility/mag might
  secondary fire, doesn't use multishot, fire rate, or dmg%.
• open slot for the other crit dmg mod or amalgam barrel diffusion

[primal ibex]

Can anyone drop a good diriga build that also applies status welll or jus good I'm mr 8

[agile wagon]

Suspected scam content removed by bot.

[fierce lark]

so for starters, primed mods are usually run where they’re available because they’re almost 2x a base element. big number is big number.

if you don’t have them, 60s go into supportive elements because more status chance tends to outweigh the slight increase in elemental%, and 90s are run for dot elements because the bigger number directly feeds into the status damage and keeps its weighting up

if you were running pure corrosive or pure viral, you can run 90/60 or pure 90s. you don’t have that much elemental damage modded, so bumping it where you can on a raw dmg setup might be beneficial over the status chance

[earnest saddle]

also bear in mind that blast and gas status damage is not affected by the amount of those elements you have on your weapon (60-60 mods will offer the same damage as primed-90)

[deep grotto]

Im
Not sure i fully understand
Also because i wanna figure out how to explain this to the friend at some point
And if im still confused then he’s gonna have a headache

[fierce lark]

cold is a mediocre status effect, but corrosive+cold exists and are very effective for primaries becaus corrosive is a good damage type with a good status effect, and both primary types have a primed cold mod

[deep grotto]

Maybe im just getting caught up on “supportive elements”

[fierce lark]

viral, corrosive

mostly viral

[earnest saddle]

it comes down to: do you want more damaging status effects (usually the single elements) or more reliable ones via the 60-60 mods?

[deep grotto]

Ah okay

[fierce lark]

every gun build ever is running viral unless it’s supplied externally because viral status is priority, unless you’re doing a raw dmg weapon vs grineer

if there’s no external armor strip, raw corrosive will do better vs grineer

[earnest saddle]

bear in mind viral's damage bonus does not apply to shields/overguard

so as you face higher-level enemies, you'll want to think about adding magnetic to some weapons (or your companion)

[compact cypress]

how tf do you make a good weapon platform gauss, heard he scales on duration so i just put on as much as i could

[deep grotto]

I mean he’s probably gonna be running viral or corro
Im gonna have him test the build out on the nightwatch grineer in the elite mission
But i also run grendel so i can supply him with viral
So ill have him use corro i suppose

Doesn’t have the elec 6060 so ig I’ll just toss him a Rime Rounds

[fierce lark]

everything is dependent on the weapon being played too

if it’s a weapon that sucks at applying statuses then there’s little benefit to running the 90 heat/elec mod on the side

[deep grotto]

Btw is Stahlta’s alt fire kill-charged based or can you basically spam it

[fierce lark]

so you have base cryo rounds + malignant force or infected clip as options

[earnest saddle]

you can spam it, it takes 20 ammo if i remember

[deep grotto]

Ohh gotcha

[fierce lark]

the alt fire probably sucks

[deep grotto]

Okay sounds like it doesn’t particularly matter which combination of elements he uses I suppose
Which is fine, im just trying to show him that he can do damage to strong enemies
That way he’ll stop being scared of them

[fierce lark]

2/3rds of it is aoe damage which presumably doesn’t get any benefit from CO, on a weapon with multi CO scaling

[earnest saddle]

according to the wiki: " Galvanized Aptitude is multiplicative to base damage sources on direct hits in both firing modes."

[fierce lark]

there’s a pretty high chance that he can run viral heat with most things against most things and be fine

[fierce lark]

yeah but not the radial part of the aoe i would assume

[earnest saddle]

it does specify direct hit, so probably not

[fierce lark]

there’s a co sheet but im on my phone

[deep grotto]

Yeah i guess i’ll have him settle with 90’s for now

It’s the most straightforward way to do it from what i can tell

[craggy niche]

This is my build, if you want more strength you can swap out adaptation, aerodynamic, and aviator for precision intensify (or blind rage if you don't care about economy), growing power, and power or cunning drift respectively. This build is super comfy at lower levels and will survive pretty much solely off of passive gate in high level play

[deep grotto]

Now I just gotta get him critical delay and the firerate mod…

[craggy niche]

Her one can be whatever, I don't personally like her 1 so I just subsume over it with xatas because the cast cost is cheap and I like to just stay in her 4

[fierce lark]

the biggest thing for him to know would be to be able to ask himself why he’s modding a weapon the way it is

every element does a thing, and sometimes it simply boils down to that ‘thing’ being 1.5x more dmg to a certain faction

[deep grotto]

Yeah
He knows why Viral is good

I think
He could have forgotten tbh

[fierce lark]

make him understand the concept of using as many different damage multipliers as possible (dmg cc cd ms firerate elements bane/roar viral strip etc), and then why certain elements are good for different things

[deep grotto]

May take a bit but ty

[fierce lark]

if you understand the concept of multipliers it’s very easy to make every weapon you come across functional to some degree without help from other people

speaking of which

baro

[regal thunder]

guise what gun shud i invest into at mr6 rn, soma or dex sybaris

[fierce lark]

dex sybaris is pretty good with the incarnon (which im assuming you don’t have yet)

[regal thunder]

nopee

[fierce lark]

oh primed infested banes

lol

[earnest saddle]

primed waste of endo

[craggy niche]

Oh is baro in someone post that shit

[regal thunder]

sooo wud u recommend dex sybaris 👀

[earnest saddle]

now that you don't have to mash the fire button, it's pretty good

you'll likely want to hold onto it for a while

[regal thunder]

wait r u talking to me or

[modern yoke]

Oh, alright then on Magnetic Might there, still a little ways away though

[regal thunder]

i see, because i'm thinking to use an orokin catalyst n upgrade my weapon a lot, but i wanna be sure bw soma and dex sybaris, i'm hearing dex is better for dps at my MR in general on yt and stuff

[craggy niche]

Doesn't grakata have some neat stuff going on

[sly island]

Gng I need to find a ability that give me high dmg scale with heat and give Uriel speed

[hollow plover]

current build what can i improve

other than level up the few arcanes and mods

[earnest saddle]

dex sybaris comes with a catalyst built in

[deep grotto]

I once told him that CO mods were multiplicative and he got worried about having to do math

Which
Is a thing that happens actually
But not a necessary thing

[sly island]

Yup dunno which ability gonna boost all my uriel stats

[hollow plover]

@lean tendon

[lean tendon]

Idk really

From what I have seen, people ditch the umbra mods

[hollow plover]

this seems to be working for narmer, thats why im running gas, else i use viral heat/electricity

[compact cypress]

got no idea what im doing, gauss weapon platform
what helminths are good and what do i change on the build?

[lean tendon]

I haven't used Excalibur outside of the story because I am not interested about him

[fierce lark]

you don't really need to do in-depth math with wf modding, you can get by on glancing and see if numbers big or not lol

[green gyro]

what weapon

you need to subsume over 2 for most weapons

either xatas or em

[compact cypress]

does the build need to change depending on the weapon?

[green gyro]

subsume changes

[compact cypress]

havent got xatas but wb roar?

[green gyro]

akarius/envoy use em

[compact cypress]

kk

[green gyro]

xatas for torid etc

roar is ok but not comparable

[hollow plover]

oh can you guide to anyone who knows better?

[compact cypress]

ill prob use em
anything to change with the mods though?

[lean tendon]

I mean you can just post it here and wait until someone replies to you

[wary gust]

What’s everyone playing with these days ?

[fierce lark]

you can either persistence/hp tank with umbrals or you can forma off the umbral slots for a standard shieldgate setup

im doing the latter bc slashdash has invuln during the animation and the dmg scales with his exalted blade mods and combo while costing almost nothing and having insane mobility, perfect shieldgate ability

[fierce lark]

myself

[hollow plover]

is this for me?

[fierce lark]

for excal yeah

[green gyro]

primed sure footed in exilus slot and max it bruh

how are you at 400+ logins and can't max a mod😭

also fast deflection over constitution

or augur message

[compact cypress]

been maxing other stuff first💔
barely use psf

[green gyro]

best mod

[compact cypress]

got em both just got constitution on for its duration tbh

[green gyro]

unmaxed psf is colossal aura loss🥀

oh ye ic

[hollow plover]

what the second sentence in english?

slashdash ability 1 spam for shieldgate?

[deep grotto]

spam excalibur's first ability makes him invincible

[hollow plover]

yea so how would the build for him change?

[fierce lark]

catalyzing shields + an augur mod

thats your survivability

when in danger press 1

lots of ability strength, some duration for a subsumed buff if you do one and the drain on 4

i dont think ability range actually affects anything on the exalted blade tbh

[hollow plover]

something like this?

[fierce lark]

you need an augur mod/brief respite with it, to generate shields for you to shield gate with

and they would replace umbral vitality & umbral fiber

which is why i mentioned forma'ing off the umbral slots

[hollow plover]

i have it equipped on secondary

augur pact

[fierce lark]

oh then yeah you only need catshield

but either way, if you're shieldgating, vitality/fiber are redundant

[hollow plover]

HMMM, but isnt there some builds that use all umbral as well so if i need to use it later down the line wouldnt i be cooked?

since omni forma doesnt affect umbral

[fierce lark]

they are different setups and neither of them are ever "cooked", they can both scale to levelcap

shieldgating doesn't care how much damage you're taking

neither does persistence

the umbral setup is much lazier but it requires you invest something in your build for healing

life strike/healing return modded on the weapon, gloom subsume, hunter recovery on pet, etc

[hollow plover]

synth deconstruct? should I build dririga with manifold bond o just keep panzer?

[fierce lark]

manifold diriga would be for CO priming, which i dont really think excal needs especially if you're not going to forma off the umbral slots and use double sac instead

you'd need condition overload for that to be worth doing

https://overframe.gg/build/220091/panzer-vulpaphyla/panzer-vulpaphyla-viral-priming-health-orb-healer-crit-buff-life-saver/

[hollow plover]

this is my current blade build

is co and sac redundant?

[fierce lark]

a finished build would have the melee influence arcane and just the elec mod

[hollow plover]

yes ik but im yet to get melee influence

[fierce lark]

yes and no

base damage stacking is not ideal, and both arcane fury and ability strength as well as sac pressure all apply additive damage

but CO is a little funny. the waves that come from light attacks have doubled additive CO scaling, and the waves from heavy attacks (if you were to use tennokai) have multiplicative CO scaling

but those waves have to actually hit something with statuses for that to matter

[hollow plover]

hmm so unless tennokai just run CO?

[fierce lark]

i would opt out of CO in general unless you're willing to forma off the umbral slots

CO + galvanized steel is a better mod combo anyways, you get enough crit chance in a 12x combo build from blood rush that you don't need sacrificial

[hollow plover]

ngl the run with shieldgating felt wonkier, maybe a skill issue but im still finding it hard to survive sometimes

[fierce lark]

shieldgating requires being able to kill things quickly, so you can maintain energy through orbs (and not have to press buttons as often because enemies are dying)

[hollow plover]

hmmm

so i should go all in on either shield gate or all umbral

[fierce lark]

i would say stick with umbral if you're uncertain

[hollow plover]

i mean im fine with changin the blade polarity if it provides better dmg

but i am asking is it the right choice?

[hollow plover]

how much dps increase would it be changing from sac mods to galv

[fierce lark]

couldn't tell you tbh, and that also hinges on you having blood rush and being able to maintain high combo

[hollow plover]

im running naramon so no worries about combos, as long as i dont die

[fierce lark]

if you run out of energy and lose exalted blade that also kills your combo

[hollow plover]

running equilibrium with synth deconstruct

so that solves it somewhat as long as i can kill

is this a good shieldgat build?

[fierce lark]

i don't feel particularly strong about narrow minded or precision intensify, but otherwise it looks good

precision may be close to/just as good as umbral while saving some mod capacity so there's that

if you're subsumeless precision is just better, umbral has the advantage of also buffing your roar/wrathful/warcry/whatever you subsume if you do one

[hollow plover]

this was given by a clanmate

[fierce lark]

i would ask them why narrow minded

duration is basically just efficiency for 4

[hollow plover]

he is a LR5 player, i will ask about that

[fierce lark]

it's nice for subsumed buffs but you don't need that much, and dumping range makes 1 a lot harder to use

[severe bough]

Hes probably saying for wrathful upkeep

Tho u recast it anyways for gating

[fierce lark]

am i the only person who just uses tennokai procs on WA?

[hollow plover]

ah now i get why

[fierce lark]

i never found duration that relevant for it

[hollow plover]

hes using wrathful advance

[fierce lark]

yeah i get wanting duration for wrathful cause the base is super low, but i always consume tennokai procs with wrathful advance anyway so it's constantly refreshing

although idk if excal's wrathful advance still does the blade waves

[severe bough]

I like less duration just because u need to cast it anyways and its a nice little QoL teleport

[severe bough]

U mean if it applys to waves?

[fierce lark]

if the heavy from WA does the waves

[severe bough]

Good question actually

[fierce lark]

that would be one reason i could see to go high dur for it on excal if it doesn't

since you don't want to use tennokai on it in that case

[severe bough]

Didnt the heavy waves also dont care about combo or smth?

[earnest saddle]

heavy exalted waves are multico iirc

[severe bough]

That aswell

[fierce lark]

heavy waves are multico and i think the no combo thing is right, light waves are 200% additive co

[severe bough]

I dont find it in the wiki now tho from what i remember heavy waves got multico and dont care bout combo.

Im actually playing nourish on my excl

[hollow plover]

guess theres no going back

[severe bough]

Feel like im the only one not using WA on melee frames execpt on mirage zaw

Zaws > normal melees

[hollow plover]

like what should look forward to using / adding?

until i unlock melee influence?

[fierce lark]

could honestly just do the same build but without influence lol

[hollow plover]

your opinion on this?

[fierce lark]

i think elec by itself is enough to nuke everything and adding gas just takes up mod slots

also without influence this is atrociously bad

i think in general gas influence is a novelty more than anything

[astral tinsel]

the only reason to go gas influence are the lingering fields

elec is just better

you lose some AoE (and the lingering fields), but it doesn't have a 10 stack limit (easier to hit with influence) and it gets a damage multiplier from electric mods

plus a bunch of extra status damage from shock trooper (additive to elementalist)

[wide verge]

It got bored playing these characters. Is there any fun character to do SP with?

LVL cap btw

[hollow plover]

limbo

trust

[astral tinsel]

Frost with breach surge

[wide verge]

Bro its the worst one I heard.

[wide verge]

can he handle lvl cap?

[novel bear]

Zephyr

[astral tinsel]

probably?

[fierce lark]

limbo is hated because his abilities and his entire gimmick as a whole can be actively disruptive to other players

moreso than "killing everything too fast", a lot of weapons can't damage enemies between rift planes

so you shoot something, notice it isn't taking any damage, think for a second your internet took the biggest shit, then you hit esc and yep - there's a limbo

[wide verge]

So limbo is very good? (I like to disrupt other plyaers)
Also lvl cap handling?

[mighty flare]

yes and very easily

[coral crest]

"a lot" and its just like 2 that can

[fierce lark]

i can't comment on how good he is, but if your goal is to grief others he is very good at that

you also run the risk of getting banned if you do it intentionally

[coral crest]

[fierce lark]

i thought most projectile weapons ignored rift plane

[coral crest]

no, theres like 2 weapons that ignore it due to code jank

projectiles do not ignore it

[mighty flare]

its ability damage that ignores rift, few weapons bypass it (and are actually good)

[coral crest]

^

[wide verge]

Banned for what? they made the warframe not me

[coral crest]

ability dmg ignores it, but for normal weapons theres

uhhh, zymos

[mighty flare]

theres stuff like melee influence that'll ignore the rift but it still needs enemies inside the rift to spread to the normal plane

https://tenor.com/view/cat-massage-gif-22032184

[fierce lark]

valve made friendly fire, not me

i still get banned if i kill teammates

[wide verge]

holy price I cant afford it dude. I only got 51 plat

[coral crest]

also its all abilities except Gara's splinter storm. it doesnt ignore the rift

[wide verge]

No u dont. Only a cooldown

[fierce lark]

their term is "competitive cooldown"

identical to saying it's a temporary ban from competitive

i cba to argue about something so stupid, if you want to grief people go ahead, if you get banned for being a shitbrick it's your own fault

[coral crest]

oh i was wrong

thats a pretty large list

Alternox manages to be special somewhere and still ends up being bad at it

[fierce lark]

im confused when it says things like jat kittag/kuva sobek with their augments

like is it the augment explosions that ignore plane or do the weapons themselves ignore it when augs are equipped

[coral crest]

explosions

[mighty flare]

keep in mind, a majority of these suck

mandonel bypasses the rift to deal 50 dmg

[coral crest]

zenith alt fire scanning

the thing you poop out also has multico you know

dont defy the power

[fierce lark]

when i tell someone the cedo glaive isn't rly a dps tool and their response is "buT muLTIcO"

[coral crest]

simply unstoppable

10 damage with multico that goes through limbo's rift

[coral crest]

it nukes normal path!!!

I wish I liked using Cedo

[fierce lark]

i wish i didn't

it makes me want to use tazicor primers

which means no doubled loot

but conditionally overloaded gaygay12 is fun

[wide verge]

can this xaku handle lvl cap?

[coral crest]

Something isn't right

[wide verge]

?

[fierce lark]

something's wrong (i can feel it)

it's just

a feeling i've got

[novel bear]

Adaptation?

[coral crest]

Like something's about to happen

[fierce lark]

and i don't know what..

[undone dust]

im about to happen

[severe bough]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-kitty-komaru-cat-explosion-cat-cat-explosion-gif-4940756872467221811

[fierce lark]

gross

[hollow plover]

man why does it feel weaker

[severe bough]

Augur reach over Adaptation and pillage over 2

Wait 3

[fierce lark]

anyways no, adaptation doesn't help at lvlcap, you need ways to fully avoid damage

passive shieldgate/omamori stacks with vast untime to create layers of avoiding damage, but you have a chance of dying still if you get hit a bunch

[wide verge]

rip

[fierce lark]

xaku doesn't really benefit that much from duration, once you cast everything all you need is to be able to cast 4 once every 35 seconds or so

[wide verge]

Fair

[fierce lark]

since it pauses the duration on everything else

[novel bear]

Aegis over efficiency

[fierce lark]

high strength + high range = his turrets play the game for you and scale with enemy level

sorry

their

[wide verge]

So no prime continouty?

[fierce lark]

cont is fine, no molt eff

[undone dust]

https://tenor.com/view/xaku-warframe-nonbinary-non-binary-picmix-gif-13546531829644806588

[wide verge]

swap it for?

[novel bear]

Aegis

[fierce lark]

aegis

[undone dust]

that thing

[wide verge]

Is lvl 0 aegis ok?

[novel bear]

Persistence

[fierce lark]

yes, rank 0 aegis is effectively the same as rank 5 for shield gating

[undone dust]

truth.. we only play health tank xaku here

[wide verge]

aa tysm

[severe bough]

Tech

Hildryn persistance

[novel bear]

What’s xaku’s armor?

[undone dust]

167

[wide verge]

what for the last spot

[novel bear]

lol, and 359 health

[severe bough]

Is my rhino good

[undone dust]

it's peak persistence trust

[fierce lark]

augur something unless you have one on your secondary/companion

probably reach

[novel bear]

Fast deflection

[wide verge]

this is my final build? any helminth?

[fierce lark]

if you do fast deflection then you'd also want to cut something else for vigilante vigor

[novel bear]

Not much point in running aegis with active gating though

[severe bough]

Just run pillage xaku fr

[fierce lark]

sure there is, it does the same thing it does when you're passive gating, 15s of "i can't die"

aegis doesn't need shield recharge mods to work

it just sets your recharge delay to 0

[latent latch]

What's a good Laetum build?

[wide verge]

For the build any helminth? also keep energy siphon or corrosive projection?

[fierce lark]

nourish, pillage, omamori

depends what you want

over 3

can also go subsumeless if you want minions

[wide verge]

this is what I use. With gauss thunder buff it kills lvl cap.

[fierce lark]

btw your subsume's duration isn't paused by 4

[wide verge]

minions?

[fierce lark]

xaku 3 cycles between 3 abilities, one of them is a mind control

[latent latch]

So will it also work on uriel?

[wide verge]

Lvl cap?

[latent latch]

Yes

[wide verge]

Uh I havent tried with uriel

[wide verge]

U may try this https://overframe.gg/build/315005/laetum/the-devouring-void-raw-non-crit-laetum-one-shot-steel-path/

[craggy niche]

Oh shit that's wild actually lol

He can make use of the minion arcanes

[craggy niche]

Like I knew he did that I just never tied it to the minion stuff

[wide verge]

No hornet strike?

[fierce lark]

overwhelming crit build

[wide verge]

aa

[deep grotto]

Okay these are my recreations of a friend's build for Broken War
Yes they're not the best but another friend of mine offered their midgame build back when he was struggling in Jupiter
On the right is a guideline i made for him now that he has some 6060's and galv steel
any reccomendations? He doesnt have much in the line of endgame mods, so i guess im wondering what i could rearrange here

[fierce lark]

better than devouring if you can keep overwhelming at max stacks

which is pretty easy to do

[wide verge]

btw does this work? also energy siphon or corrosive projection?

[fierce lark]

proj

[violet silo]

fix the statuses

[fierce lark]

inform friend that radiation is cringe, we are a viral heat family in this house

[violet silo]

on bwar

?

[fierce lark]

with no arcanes or anything you'd either go viral heat or pure viral

[violet silo]

also, weeping wounds and blood rush are actually pretty easy

get those

[fierce lark]

they require either naramon or drifting contact to make use of

[violet silo]

no?

just melee things

[deep grotto]

i commented on the statuses and was told "hey it does damage"
which is fair
Neither of them are really big on builds so i understand that

[fierce lark]

you can't maintain combo with a 5s duration in normal gameplay

[deep grotto]

yeah maybe if enemies are 600 meters apart

unless you mean like

for general use

[fierce lark]

this is like

quadrouply true if you're newer to the game and not amazing at movement

im saying for general use, you can't maintain combo with the base 5s duration, there are going to be big enough gaps sometimes that will cause you to lose your entire combo bar

[violet silo]

I could mod something with every damage mod there is and say "hey it does damage"
that doesn't mean it's well modded

[fierce lark]

if they don't want help don't help them ig

some people are very particular about getting unwanted advice

[deep grotto]

i know
im just clarifying that they're like this cause they dont know enough yet
they're not dumb lol, they'll figure it out eventually

[coral crest]

You can't even imagine how unwanted advice chips away at some people's patience

[deep grotto]

when they get back into the game, that is...

but they did want to hit steel path at some point so
if they dont learn now, they'll learn then

[violet silo]

hm
maybe I play too much steel path then

[deep grotto]

In the meantime, behold my Zenistar
i think ive done a decent job on it

should i use co??\

status sits at 30%

[fierce lark]

i dont even know what the zenistar wants, i thought it was a slam weapon

[deep grotto]

fair

[fierce lark]

if you're intending to do light attack tennokai, killing blow's damage is additive with other base dmg and the windup doesn't do anything, tennokai heavies already have max windup speed

same with amalgam shatter

[mighty flare]

co doesnt affect the disc

[deep grotto]

i mean the disc sorta felt like a priming thingy

[wide verge]

Wait why am I doing shield gating with xaku? there isnt any ability to spam on xaku tho?

[deep grotto]

mild area control
inconvience your enemies rather than damage them

[fierce lark]

you can spam xata's whisper

[bold warren]

Whats a good early game build for Dax Sybarius?

[wide verge]

alr ty

[fierce lark]

or pillage, if you subsumed that

[wide verge]

holy drop

[violet silo]

crazy price for a resurgence gold tho

novas def gonna drop in price

[mighty charm]

Current Uriel build, thinking of dropping augur secrets for Constitution to have triple 200’s. Running R5 Arcane Concentration and R5 Arcane Energize.

Trumna prime -primary
Epitaph Prime - secondary primer (if needed)
Praedos - melee with influence to justify archon stretch

[fierce lark]

archon stretch requires you do electric ability damage

melee with influence won't trigger it

[mighty charm]

Ok then normal stretch it is. Saves a forma

[fierce lark]

i prefer 280 range, brimstone still nukes levelcap with 139 str

• archon vit ofc

[mighty charm]

Understandable, but I’m only in one room of the tileset at a time. So the 38-41 meters I’m getting is fine for me.

1 duration 2 str crimson tau, 1 parkour 1 cast speed amber tau

[fierce lark]

the build you linked is 235 range which is 34.5m, 280 range would be 42m

[mighty charm]

Well then I stand corrected on that stat.

[fierce lark]

or like 35.25 some decimal

[mighty charm]

But it still works perfectly for me

[fierce lark]

base range 15 so it has 42m at max

you also have molt augmented as an option for strength, energize is completely useless on uriel

orbs from gulphagor covers energy sustain, and he has nothing spammable anyways

[mighty charm]

Ok, so drop energize, add augmented and I can drop secrets for constitution. Perfect

Appreciate you @fierce lark

[fierce lark]

i would run 1 equi shard though

[mighty charm]

Don’t have tau so it feels wasted at only 20%

[fierce lark]

it’s not

[mighty charm]

Which Amber should I drop?

[fierce lark]

1 enemy killed with his 2 passive and like 250% strength is going to drop a shitload of health orbs

no ambers, drop one of the reds

[bold warren]

@fierce lark could ya help?

[fierce lark]

the first 20% equi is magnitudes more valuable than the last 15% strength/duration

[mighty charm]

Ok, I’ll test later tonight.

[fierce lark]

not really, i haven’t touched any variant of the sybaris

[mighty charm]

Thank you again Saryn.

[fierce lark]

https://overframe.gg/build/735781/sybaris-prime/sybaris-prime-incarnon-corrosive-cold-viral-heat/ when in doubt ninjase overframe

[eternal stream]

Anyone got temple build?

[bold warren]

I don’t want to invest 4 Forma?

[mighty flare]

you can fill the rest with what you have/want

[fierce lark]

thennnnn don't build it lol, idk what else to tell you

you need forma to make room for builds

[modest phoenix]

is acid shells still bugged with oraxia

[fierce lark]

depends on what you mean by bugged

[modest phoenix]

idk i just heard its bugged

i was gonna get oraxia for sobek but i cba if its bugged

[eternal stream]

Gunna dd umbral vit and intense

[fierce lark]

if you're worried that acid shells spreading the guaranteed dots from things like silken stride, resupply, toxic lash or demonium runes etc will get patched, i think it is highly unlikely

so if you want to play oraxia sobek, have at it

[earnest saddle]

and honestly even if it does the kuva sobek is still a very fun weapon

i use it with zephyr for added silliness

[modest phoenix]

will it work as insteaded with her tho?

[fierce lark]

it's less a bug and more weird coding decisions that result in infusion-type buffs spreading on acid shells

[modest phoenix]

ive never used an acid shells build but didnt wanna do sayrn so i felt like playing oraxia so im not 100 % on how it even works

i just heard it was bugged so i was curious

[fierce lark]

yes, if you kill something while in your 4 with acid shells it's going to create a 15m chain reaction of toxin dots that will wipe the map

[modest phoenix]

hahah thank you

[earnest saddle]

if i had to guess, it's some spaghetti coding along the lines of contagious bond

[fierce lark]

im not going to even begin to try and mental fortitude my way into figuring out why certain buffs break chain reaction augments

[fair warren]

Hi, Imm! Apologies for the delay.

This is my current build.

[violet silo]

unlike cyte on client...

ugh DE PLEASE FIX HIM

[fierce lark]

i just play bramma cyte now

[tidal parrot]

Do you use a companion that has synth deconstruct as well?

[fair warren]

No.

[quiet laurel]

good boy

man idk what server to low ball ducat trade in

asia kinda dead and NA not braindead atm

[severe bough]

Next code fix finally

Sobek client no more boar

[violet silo]

confirmed?

[quiet laurel]

its in known issues

[severe bough]

Im like more than 100% sure that it will be fixed

[violet silo]

I would hope so

[severe bough]

And confident

[tidal parrot]

Synth deconstruct can be a good way to help get health orbs, leveling up equilibrium more will make those health orbs give more energy and then just either Spamming your abilities a tiny bit less as to not over kill as 2 casts should put a bunch of enemies at really low a d unless you prime them or use roar you likely won't kill them after doing a 3rd cycle of reap and sow
@fair warren

[severe bough]

Just trust

[violet silo]

I should really get bramma

[severe bough]

Zarr cyte>>

[violet silo]

what are some other weapons to use for that kinda thing, kuva zarr what else?

[fair warren]

I see, i can buy synth deconstruct, does it works on all companions?

[tidal parrot]

I 99% sure it does

[severe bough]

Zarr bramma idk

I thought about acceltra one time

💀

Tho might be tech

[quiet laurel]

zarr, akarius, acceltra

[severe bough]

Cyte king spoke i knew it

I need to get acceltra

[fair warren]

Tremendous, any other mods should i look/buy for it?

For energy.

[tidal parrot]

It's very dependent on build and there's probably a valid reason not to use it assuming you have enough energy econemy but I'd say droping rage for energy nexus as it's likely going to just be strictly better than rage for sevagoth

Aside from that streamline can also help a lot

Streamline will make your abilities cheaper to cast while energy nexus will give a flat 3 energy regen per second

[fair warren]

I will buy that too.

[tidal parrot]

If u want I can check and see if I have a spare and just give it to you

Oh wait actually idk of pc and mobile are even able to do stuff together

I recall hearing their on separate instances but ima just hope someone with more knowledge on that will lmk if I'm wrong or not about that

Based off a quick Google it looks like we can trade so if u want lmk and I can give ya an energy nexus

[fair warren]

Yes please.

[tidal parrot]

whats your IGN?

[fair warren]

Please send me a friend request.

How much platinum would you like in return?

[tidal parrot]

none

[sullen python]

which should i go for? i dont want to waste my plague kripath baro gave me

how do polearm vs rapier stances fair?

[fair warren]

Thank you for your time, what should i swap energy nexus with?

[tidal parrot]

@fair warren while neither of the augur mods i gave you from what i recall are stuff you really want on sev as he likes strength and range, put on one of them on either sev or a weapon and it will allow you to get shields back when you cast your abilities instead of using the stuff like quick thinking

[violet silo]

hm

[tidal parrot]

rage and quick thinking. sev doesnt do a lot of health/energy tanking with the reap and sow stuff, more so he does a lot of ability spam which makes the mods that give him shields on ability cast really good for survivability more so than the stuff that makes you get energy on hit or drain energy to tryt to stay alive

[violet silo]

shame I dont have firestorm tho

[fair warren]

What mod should i put in place of rage and quick thinking with?

[tidal parrot]

ideally you would have like augur reach which gives range instead of the augur message that i gave ya (dont have one unfortunatly) but at the very least having an augur mod or 2 here or there should make him a lot easier to stay alive on while using the abilities

[quiet laurel]

yeah you really want primed firestorm

[tidal parrot]

if you intend to use the augur mods do energy nexus and then like augur message (and replace it with augur reach when you can) I would mabey also say to swap redirection with stretch so you can hit more things with your reap and sow.

for the time being

[fair warren]

I see.

[fair warren]

Do you happen to have two arcane energize mod?

[tidal parrot]

i mean i have 2

[fair warren]

I would like to buy the maxed out one from you.

[tidal parrot]

i would also like to mkae you aware that there will be an operation coming up in

like 2 weeks?

and youll almost 100% be able to farm it out for free through that

[fair warren]

I suffer from arthritis thus i cannot play for longer periods of time.

Could i please trade/buy the maxed out arcane energize mod from you?

[tidal parrot]

sure

[fair warren]

How much?

[tidal parrot]

leme check market rq

[fair warren]

99?

[tidal parrot]

cheapest arcane energize is 6p so like 21*6 is bout 126? based off that

id also just be down to drop it to a flat 100 or whatever

[fair warren]

100? Done.

[tidal parrot]

actually no nvm i didnt even see maxed were like 100 or 99, we can do 99 if the 1 p matters

i just assumed maxed was more expensive

[fair warren]

I can do 99 as well.

Please invite.

[tidal parrot]

ok gime a sec warframe is tweaking out leme restart rq

[fair warren]

No issues.

[fierce lark]

max should always be cheaper, people prefer to sell in bulk

[fair warren]

Oh my.

[tidal parrot]

little bit what i was worried about. legendary arcanes cost a lot of credits to trade

[fair warren]

The trade tax.

My apologies.

Could we arrange the trade once i acquire sufficient funds?

[tidal parrot]

is alg, i have no intention of selling it so if you want i can always hold onto it

yea fs

[fair warren]

Yes please.

Thank you, kind man.

[tidal parrot]

idk i just figure its like prime sets and like arcane hot shot where you pay a little more to get it all in 1 trade instead of buying each thing separately either in multipule trades or cuz you alrdy have a part

[fierce lark]

i would think bulk selling in 1 trade benefits the seller more than the buyer, usually if someone is selling something they’re selling a lot of things at once to save time on dojo trips, so they’re more inclined to not waste trades

in the WTS section particularly the sellers are usually selling bulk and the buyer just wants their 1 thing quickly

and with arcanes in particular, you don’t want to buy a full max ranked one if you already have a lower ranked one

[green gyro]

I do wonder why you need r5 energise when you have 3k credits total

like that seems like mismanaged priorities

[fierce lark]

does seva even need or want energize

[tidal parrot]

think their looking more at getting energy econemy stacked up on their sev more so than grinding stuff out based on their reply on not being able to play for long periods of time

[green gyro]

yes, he's like one of the only frames

but he also kinda needs shards

really wouldn't recommend him in earlygame

it's your money tho 🤷‍♂️

[tidal parrot]

eh? its prty decent but i can also 100% imagine there being better things. with reap and sow you are like super spaming abilities and just nuking everything and probably preventing companions from helping a ton for energy econemy so its kinda just a contest of how much energy econemy you can stack to keep spaming your 1 and 2 to nuke everything

[fierce lark]

platformer variant is pretty low investment init

[green gyro]

energize is best in slot for sevagoth

[tidal parrot]

idk reap and sow isnt a super expensive build either especially since you have 2 augments (reach can be swaped for stretch ig)

[green gyro]

this is not gonna work

blind rage is awful on sevagoth

also you can't gate lol

[tidal parrot]

this was mostly for a ESO nuke but thats bout it

[green gyro]

wait you have nourish??

brah

[tidal parrot]

i just stole this off some sev nuking is eso ima be a buck 20

its worked fine enough so i havent botherd to change it

[green gyro]

in ESO yeah it probably works ok

[tidal parrot]

i dont go like level cap with sev or anything so im sure theres more min maxed builds but like if it aint broke dont fix it ig

[green gyro]

in sp no chance

[tidal parrot]

ik roar is generally used cuz it makes the % damage do enough to actually kill instead of getting the enemy down to like 1hp eventually but i also just prefer not having to spam 2 abilities to stay alive (i like to only have to spam one )

ive taken it to sp a few times cuz why not and it does fine so like idk

[vestal lotus]

yo anyone know how to mod spira prime?

[quiet laurel]

@green gyro should I just endo it atp 😭

[tidal parrot]

https://overframe.gg/build/453888/sevagoth/gloom-reaper-general-use-non-helminth-sevagoth/

Just looking at the ninjase build seems about what I'd assume for sevagoth except I'd prolly say put energize over vigor and put umbral intensify over cat shield and personally augur reach over stretch which would probably end up working about the same without needing to go into operator mode

[green gyro]

probably

[green gyro]

you need cat shields

[tidal parrot]

What's the shield gate time for his base shield value?

[quiet laurel]

280k endo

[tidal parrot]

actually im looking at my build i use and legit with nourish up you get hit 1 time, then you click 2 then 1 and 1 shot full health enemies. so like do you need cat shields for sp? no. not at all. its more than likely for level cap where thats where you care about it more

even with trans fortitude instead of blind rage it still 1 shots even with no molt augmented stacks

[distant flax]

Just got Primed Pressure Point as a Valkyr main, this is dope

[craggy niche]

I've been using akarius and it's low-key kinda hilarious on stealth built oraxia with xatas and blast

[distant flax]

To be fair I don't have a lot of frames, I mostly played the story. Gotta start farming now...

[thorn cedar]

What you guys think of this Strun Incarnon build

[craggy niche]

That riven ain't bad for a shotgun tbh

[thorn cedar]

Yesh the reload speed is really nice

Specially on Strun

It's ain't no Kuva Hek one shoting boom stick
But, Too much red crits is nice

[spiral chasm]

ur elementalist mod doesnt really do much no?. Cuz you arent too any status dmg

status dmg is something like electric, toxin, blast, heat

[thorn cedar]

+60% magazine

[quiet laurel]

why would you slot that tho

magazine doesnt do anything for incarnon

[thorn cedar]

Tbh i copied the build 🤣

From Hunkpain YT

[novel bear]

Why would you use incarnon form for strun?

[quiet laurel]

is there new tech?

[novel bear]

No, just the incarnoff form is a lot better

[thorn cedar]

For slash and blast on radial damage

[quiet laurel]

HUNKPAIN

I AM NOT A KING 🗣️

I AM NOT A GOD 🗣️

I AM

HUNKPAIIIIINNNN RAHHH

[thorn cedar]

🔥

[quiet laurel]

yeah dont follow any of this guys builds

[thorn cedar]

They work 🤣

[quiet laurel]

like

[novel bear]

That doesn’t mean they’re good

[quiet laurel]

what am I even looking at

deadhead on a build thats supposed to be status oriented, blast weighting of like 5%, elementalist for what 😭

[thorn cedar]

What u suggest i use then ?

[quiet laurel]

I mean I usually run incarnon form strun so dunno about incarnoff

but incarnoff suffers from reload speed

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1481425861616861275/attachment.gif

[thorn cedar]

It's incarnon

[quiet laurel]

so shotgun vendetta kinda madatory from what I can tell

[quiet laurel]

yes but probs not incarnon form

[novel bear]

Deadhead and ppb

[thorn cedar]

[thorn cedar]

I reload the full mag in seconds

[quiet laurel]

thats long af

if we talk about seconds then thats bad

[novel bear]

Volt

Volt is the answer to all problems

[thorn oak]

hunkpain top 5 worst intro oat

[kind void]

hell no. thats a pretty damn good riven

[thorn cedar]

Waiting let me check exactly

[quiet laurel]

too many rolls to sell it

[kind void]

neg slash with electric and no detrimental stats?