builds-discussion

[quiet laurel]

moug doing what he does best

[late hemlock]

Dark sword rivens are now pretty dirt cheap

[hearty night]

critical chance toxin

[late hemlock]

Crit chance is awful

[fierce lark]

the toxin word is good, rest of it is useless

[late hemlock]

But tox is a good start

[hearty night]

ok ok

[late hemlock]

Im running with this atm, id aim for at least tox with damage or tox with initial combo

[hearty night]

and i ran out of kuva

its ok ill get more and try again

[quiet laurel]

why we rolling dark sword in the first place

[coral crest]

Moug

[late hemlock]

Its a coda mire that doesn't look like ass so id say worth

[coral crest]

Ok that's actually valid

Can't you use skins on Mire though

[late hemlock]

Does it have non infested skins?

[fierce lark]

don't hate the coda mire cause it's beautiful

[late hemlock]

Didn't check actually

Dark sword looks really cool though

[fierce lark]

yee yee ass hilt

[velvet pulsar]

I'm sure I own a freebie skin for mire.

(technically it's entire class)

[late hemlock]

Im still stuck in kuva hell rolling my Paris riven

I think im at 180 ish

[quiet laurel]

android release tomorrow

finally I'll be able to roll rivens when not home

[velvet pulsar]

Oh and I hit a streak of luck with rivens yesterday.

[quiet laurel]

15 mil kuva waiting to be spent

[velvet pulsar]

Shotgun rivens have surprisingly good success rate

[late hemlock]

My only source of kuva is weekly merchants i do not get it anywhere else lol

[fierce lark]

CLIPPING

CURSED

HATE IT

[late hemlock]

So I do like 15 ish rolls a week

[coral crest]

Pretty sure it can use all normal sword skins

[fierce lark]

yeah it can

[coral crest]

So you can flex with the soulframe sword

[velvet pulsar]

Also did dark sword get a "day of the dead" skin?

[coral crest]

I think so?

It was a Naberus limited skin though

[velvet pulsar]

It was probably even freebie

I think from Baro

[coral crest]

Can talk in region chat at work

WHILE rolling rivens

[velvet pulsar]

Can spectate dual ichor playing the game by itself.

[quiet laurel]

for legal reasons I cant talk about the usage of my phone at work

[velvet pulsar]

and for illegal reasons?

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-gambling-gamblecore-slots-addiction-gif-13719756177810728433

[hollow scarab]

god i love the hate incarnon so damn much

just MELTING the horde is so fun

[velvet pulsar]

Probably the best riven I lucked out yesterday was boar.

Then I found out it hasn't been unvaulted for a long time.

At least I crafted Sicarus Prime yesterday.

[fierce lark]

would you be upset if i told you the riven you have is worse than organ shatter lol

[hollow scarab]

no, im aware its still a wip

but its the best roll ive gotten off the most recent rolls

[gaunt gust]

oh holy, i went on a journey to make this happen, i hope you appreciate at least that @fierce lark

[coral crest]

I actually know one person who puts vial rush on everything

Including their main

[velvet pulsar]

Also it's funny that u posted an image of evolution perk icons without any description so only those who own hate can most easily figure that out

[fierce lark]

understandable

it's just stacking 200% on top of ~500% crit chance that you're getting from blood rush and galv steel, and then whatever you're getting from animosity

whereas organ shatter would contribute to almost half of your crit damage and would multiply on top of all the crit chance you already have

[hollow scarab]

what tf pistols are those god damn

[coral crest]

They main Koumei

[hollow scarab]

im still rolling it

[quiet laurel]

furis

[gaunt gust]

wait, i had the koumei buff, hold up, this wasn't very fair

[velvet pulsar]

Free Secondary Encumber

[fierce lark]

yeah i was wondering where tf all those statuses were coming from

[velvet pulsar]

Also I just realized, never gonna use Debilitate with Koumei.

[fierce lark]

equip multi CO guns on koumei for maximum bullshit

felarx with a bunch of mag size and ammo eff decrees lmao

[velvet pulsar]

Coda Bubonico

Primary Overcharge

Or crux

Crux on battery weapon is still satisfying.

[hollow scarab]

what WOULD a good hate riven look like?

[velvet pulsar]

Initial combo and status duration if using afflictions build.

Along with another good positive and a harmless negative, the casuals.

[stable plover]

im rolling a riven for the Zarr, what stats should i look for? i was thinking multishot and status chance.

[velvet pulsar]

Lemme know when u find the answer

[quiet laurel]

MS, CD, CC, DMG, Elec

[velvet pulsar]

I also rolled a zarr

[quiet laurel]

status chance on zarr is useless

[velvet pulsar]

Electric without status chance?

[severe bough]

Cyte

[quiet laurel]

to make corrosive or for cyte

[fierce lark]

wouldn't it be to make gas influence

[quiet laurel]

zarrfluence

those who snow

[modest vine]

assfluence huehuehue

[stable plover]

should i keep going?

[fierce lark]

i thought the incarnon form had innate heat

[fierce lark]

oh you're talking about zarr lmao

[gaunt gust]

it's literally 9.7MB

[quiet laurel]

it has innate void

[gaunt gust]

i can't have it any longer

[hollow scarab]

oh hey

[velvet pulsar]

No, we're talking about hate which has MS.

[midnight horizon]

What gun is that?

[severe bough]

Fr

[modest vine]

furis

[velvet pulsar]

Blowtorch

[fierce lark]

the file size limit of discord is 50mb i thought lol

and im pretty sure this server is boosted and has a bigger limit

[modest vine]

oh

[gaunt gust]

well i don't have nitro and for poors it's 10MB, so i don't go over that

[hollow scarab]

normal discord is NOT 50mb

[modest vine]

oh mb

[hollow scarab]

its more like 8 fam

[gaunt gust]

yeah realistically it's not even 10MB as at 10.001MB it'll tell you to beat it

[velvet pulsar]

I've heard about RAM but FAM is probably a new technology.

[hollow scarab]

i know this cuz its why i have vids on youtube lmao. cuz i dont want to compress a 5 min clip to 8mb to send my friends

[modest vine]

why not just megasync?

[hollow scarab]

its what we use now that AI took all our ram

[gaunt gust]

18sec is the most i could achieve at 1080p 60fps

and i had to jump through some hoops for that

[late hemlock]

You dont need nitro to upload over 10mb

Iirc limit here is 100

[velvet pulsar]

Did the audience clap?

[stable plover]

man prices for Zarr rivens are so random. see one for 13 plat, and another for 1800 with the same stats.

[gaunt gust]

ofc, didn't you see all these ppl asking what furis is?

[gaunt gust]

that's not faster than with irradiate

[velvet pulsar]

U said u jumped through hoops...

👏🏼

[gaunt gust]

i did, like a tiger

[modest vine]

time to see what my furis incarnon can do

[gaunt gust]

btw with nourish this is even stronger

[late hemlock]

Maybe im blind? They melted way faster and 35 levels higher

[fierce lark]

it is if we factor in the fact that simulacrum has perfect conditions for irradiate and not every enemy is going to be within 7m of every other enemy

also my enemies were 35 levels higher lol

[velvet pulsar]

Imagine blast furis

[gaunt gust]

well that's why you run with nautilus

wink-wink, nudge-nudge

[late hemlock]

Atp just have punch through not irradiate

[gaunt gust]

secondary irradiate is an arcane

[velvet pulsar]

It doesn't have infinite body punch through?

[late hemlock]

Oh does it? Didn't get around to using the incarnon yet

[gaunt gust]

and i do have punch through with merciless gunfight

[late hemlock]

All the more reason to just not use irradiate

[late hemlock]

Wiki says 0

[modest vine]

yeah my furis incarnon sucks, guess thats why Im not using it lol (only got it cause for special boss fight)

[velvet pulsar]

Lately I've started to enjoy the convenience of having Merciless Gunfight on Dual Toxocyst

Being able to shoot through bulletproof glass feels satisfactory.

[modest vine]

zapping through glass feels better (tenet cycron user)

[midnight horizon]

Yeah that's the reason I told the others that it's Underwhelming for me...

[gaunt gust]

i dunno, fam, it's straight gas on any weapon platform

[modest vine]

i got torid incarnon, dual tocist incarnon, burston prime incarnon, so Im set

[midnight horizon]

Nice, I'm Getting dread Incarnon soon

[fierce lark]

hmm

[midnight horizon]

Again... I'm not saying it's generally bad

FOR ME.... It's underwhelming

Maybe I did something wrong, or have wrong builds yet.. But as far as for now, it's underwhelming... FOR. ME.

[gaunt gust]

ayo, ok, lemme see about it

[fierce lark]

just blast furis lmao

[chrome badge]

ppl really ought to stop testing in the hollevania streets simulacrum

[gaunt gust]

nah i meant lemme see if i can do the same numbers

[modest vine]

i use the dance hall

[midnight horizon]

The neighborswill be very angry

[chrome badge]

bc the cars explode and damage the enemies

[velvet pulsar]

Is it also bugged to not give +25 levels?

[chrome badge]

i don'tt think so

[fierce lark]

hollvania streets has enemies in much closer proximity than other simulacrums

[velvet pulsar]

Coz that's the only thing stopping me from testing in Roathe's simulacrum

[fierce lark]

not great for realistic testing

[chrome badge]

only qualms is those cars on the side explode for massive dmg and that throws off dmg calcs

[velvet pulsar]

DE putting lies in description as always

[chrome badge]

Tenno? LIES.

[velvet pulsar]

Truth shall Bloom.

Tenno skoom.

[coral crest]

[gaunt gust]

this is def strong (though i was running merciless gunfight instead of anemic agility), but requires... aiming, lmfao

[fierce lark]

there's a bit of nonsense that goes into making it instagib like that so im gonna stick with encumber's 150m+ dps against big things furis

(it's not that much nonsense there just happened to be a random duplex nautilus priming everything)

[fierce lark]

yeah i mean

blast+pt is the "turn anything aoe" cocktail

[gaunt gust]

pt?

[fierce lark]

punch through

[gaunt gust]

oh

and +nautilus it's a pretty goated combo

[fierce lark]

but honestly the way enemies tend to line up it's usually better to just have punch through on a regular build and aoe that way

2-3 kills per damage instance on a gun wth 10+ fire rate is all the aoe you could possibly need

[gaunt gust]

though i do enjoy irradiate for the fact that it buffs the splash damage

[tawdry trail]

I'm not sure if the interaction is intentional but wow gauss with arcane ice storm and hot shot is kinda disappointing

the first cast of thermal sunder seems to only gives one stack no matter how many enemies you actually hit with it

[late hemlock]

Its also like that with frost avalanche

Super inconsistent I hate using ice storm

[limber adder]

Guys
Shock subsume on Nyx low key cooking no?

[velvet pulsar]

Can buff Mind Controll too

[sick ermine]

Yo, are Coda weapons a worthy investment?

In regards to valience upgrading. I got the Coda basocyst and like its alright, not hitting crazy numbers on it.

I like the Coda dual torxica but again the numbers feel lacking.

Both at level 40, 5 formas. So far their coda bonus is at like 40~50%.

Unsure if theyre worth it aye or ive built them odd.

Not on my pc atm but these are the builds I got

I know i got rank up the mods

[viral wagon]

this build looks iffy but even with these builds they should clear sp easily

[tawdry trail]

yeah coda weapons, especially those two, are generally quite good

[limber adder]

Hm
I plan on subsuming mind control

[velvet pulsar]

Why not chaos?

[limber adder]

I like it

[velvet pulsar]

It's just radiation priming.
A manifold primer can outsource it.

[limber adder]

Good for arcane universal fallout

[velvet pulsar]

Yes, manifold bond primer can proc universal Fallout

[limber adder]

I dont like relying solely on primer pets

Plus I like to run heat viral combo

[velvet pulsar]

I hope you're using a high range chaos build with its augment then

[limber adder]

Nawr (:

[velvet pulsar]

Then it's just goofing around.

[limber adder]

Correct

Mind control Ai is too unreliable

[velvet pulsar]

I use mind control on eximus

Specially jade light for charging absorb nuke.

[fierce lark]

the guns are good, the riven on the bassocyst is destroying the gun though

im assuming the mods are ordered top-down the same way they would be in-game, which would mean you're getting gas+magnetic

same with the torxica, you have pure magnetic which is generally not good

[tame musk]

pls help what is best mods to melt enemies in deimos bountiesd i have torid incarnon 6 formas

[sudden quiver]

i plan on changing out corrosive to other elements based on the enemies but would this be a good build in general?

[karmic badger]

til you unlock melee arcanes? yeah pretty much

[sudden quiver]

ty i was wondering if theres anything i can do before unlocking the arcanes cause i ran out of ideas (i still dont even know when i unlock those)

[karmic badger]

whispers in the wall

[sudden quiver]

ty

[late hemlock]

Do you have any way to maintain combo counter?

[sudden quiver]

yeah i have leveled the melee stuff so it decays slowly i can keep it up to 12x pretty consistently

[gritty steeple]

Any suggestions for a purely fun a ability to subsume over Vauban's 1?
I've done Chyrinka Pillar, just looking for other fun ones.

[coral crest]

You can use Pyrotechnics with Hot Shot

Pyrotechnics hit ragdolled enemies multiple times and are affected by the same things that flechettes are, and they stack hot shot

Hot shot doesn't affect Pyrotechnics themselves, but they buff flechettes

[gritty steeple]

Ooo, that sounds pretty fun!

[coral crest]

Red crit flechettes definitely are

So is the ability to mow down ragdolled enemies from the vortex

[dusky hatch]

does summoner wrath work with citrine prismatic companion mod ?

[late hemlock]

Its the default but my preference is nourish

Vauban is super spammy so it helps with energy and flechette get buffed by the viral buff

[coral crest]

Companion mod just attaches the crystal, companion hitting the enemy triggers the beam

Crystal itself doesn't work with Summoner's, but it sure as hell synergizes

[umbral knoll]

What Arcane for Phantasma Prime? It's a status, beam weapon and that's how I build it..

Merciless is super simple, because I just have to kill, but heashotting seems better, right?

[late hemlock]

Probably Crux to just dump a crapton of status?

[umbral knoll]

OK, but is Weapoint Hit just a headshot?

I have bad aim for headshots

[late hemlock]

Since it is a beam it shouldn't be too bad

[umbral knoll]

OK.. Thx!

[late hemlock]

Just need to hit a weakspot with a few ticks

[teal holly]

Some enemies have non-head weak points but in general yes

[undone dust]

crux or debilitate

especially debilitate

debilitate on phantasma is genuinely hilarious

[teal holly]

I have it on my Coda Hema with hilarious results too.

[undone dust]

but crux would definitely feel more comfortable since phan has horrible ammo econ sometimes

[undone dust]

we just love debilitate out here

[teal holly]

Encumber is great for Exalted Secondaries combined with Impetus on the frame.

[umbral knoll]

do I need to hit headshots/weakpoints for debilitate?

[undone dust]

no

[teal holly]

No, you just need ten status procs of a combined element type.

[undone dust]

and phan is VERY good at doing that LMAO

it having innate rad helps alot since thatll turn into both elec and heat

[teal holly]

Of course, Acolytes laugh at status procs. Still annoyed at that.

[undone dust]

not as much anymore honestly but definitely kind of sucks when it ruins your fun

[pale sorrel]

Is the xoris still good in this day and age?

[old marsh]

ye.

[brittle sleet]

Obscenely, forced electric proc on heavy explosion lets it abuse Melee Influence better than almost anything else

[old marsh]

its so good that Pablo said that it will never get a Tenet version given it was the most used melee last year

altho technically its the Magistar if u add stats for both versions

[formal gust]

Was messing around for fun and made this

[torpid osprey]

Seems fun with something like deadhead to cover up for serration and maybe Blast + rifle elementalist

[formal gust]

Hmmm gonna tried that next

Need to fully level up gal scope for the extra crit chance

[torpid osprey]

Still with the Ash Prime testing so I wanted to know (because I'm bad at calculating things): Does Arcane Fury scale better with the Shadow Clones or Molt Augmented at full 60% stack?

[late hemlock]

power strength and base damage are additive so the difference will fall down to if you are using any other ability that also benefits clones

because then augmented double dips

[torpid osprey]

The only other arcane I'm using is Crepuscular that already increases strength in 30%

[late hemlock]

what im getting at is that if for example you run wrathful advance then power strength also benefits that and not only bladestorm

so you increase both at once

[torpid osprey]

I see, thanks for the insight. I'm using the Silence build with the augment, so I still have to make some more calcs

[nocturne spruce]

anyone know how does persistence interact with Damage Redirection?

[quiet laurel]

persistence takes effect after DR

[nocturne spruce]

Redirection not reduction

[quiet laurel]

oh misread, dunno about that

[wraith stratus]

Coda Bassocyst(electric) build for SP Descendia?

[sudden quiver]

i have a feeling my broken war is still better but idk what to do about the skiajati till i can get some forma on it

[tall lotus]

(You'll have to excuse the quality of the photo I play Warframe on my steam deck) But was wanting to show my Wisp Prime I've polarized her once she's at level 18 so not maxed just yet. I was personally wondering is what I have going can be further improved. Or any mods recommend to push her power even more so

[lavish depot]

is the tauron strike HUD bugged, or something? i have focus lenses equipped across all my equipment and even a empazu-shol mod maxed and my initial charge is at 33%?

[mighty flare]

inital charge and charge rate are different stats. lenses increase your charge rate, or the amount of charge you gain from killing and/or picking up orbs

note that even with all this, it'll still take several minutes to get the ult

[lavish depot]

i really just see "initial charge" under tektolyst arctifacts. if i unequip an item from my loadout it decreases, but its still "capped" at 33 with all my lenses

[late hemlock]

lens dont give you initial charge though?

[mighty flare]

yeah? lense dont give inital charge

[lavish depot]

its whats decreasing and increasing said stat in the UI

is it bugged? should we be able to see both initial charge and charge rate?

[mighty flare]

move your cursor over the stat

[lavish depot]

ah jolly! mine says 41.2. is that from all the lenses?

[mighty flare]

yea

[dull arrow]

For Garuda, is it better to equip her without a melee weapon?

[late hemlock]

kinda depends on what you are going for

if you arent planning to even use melee in the first place its gonna be better to have a stat stick melee in there

otherwise its kinda up to you?

[warm igloo]

Does anyone know what primary grip and loader I should prioritize to maximize the status chance of the Gaze barrel?

[fathom sky]

Primary or secondary

[warm igloo]

Primary

[fathom sky]

Probably just Marco Thymoid and Tremor. Most of the loaders that increase SC lower CC which is terrible. Most suggestions just go Tremor Splat anyway since jacking up your SC isn't worth killing your crit stats over

[warm igloo]

So, despite the Gaze being a beam weapon, it's more of a crit weapon huh?

[fathom sky]

All the Kitguns are crit weapons due to the fact that they're old and from the days you had to choose between having good stats in one or the other. That is to say, they're not outstanding weapons and there's likely already a better weapon than it already.

Being a beam weapon doesn't stop you from having really good crit either, like Tenet Cyron.

Though these days Kuva Nukor can abuse Enervate to make use of its absolutely absurd 5x CD and just mog both Gaze and Cycron rn

[fierce lark]

if you have to choose between status and crit, crit is usually better unless there's a devastating attrition-type effect

so yeah, every single kitgun is run with haymaker/tremor+splat. max damage, max crit

[tawdry trail]

I tried to make a primary gaze status build and it was incredibly disappointing

At least with secondary you could maybe make use of enervate?

[fathom sky]

And you'd just use Kuva Nukor atp lol

[fierce lark]

the concept of a status-only weapon doesn't really work out anyway because crit multipliers also act as separate multipliers towards status damage and crit damage is doubled on headshots lol

[tame musk]

torid incarnon build for cetus? to melt the flying ships pls pls

[small crypt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbKFQzrlki4

[coral crest]

Big brain negative damage primer to not kick off attenuation

[fierce lark]

isn't survival the worst arbitration gamemode? or at least the slowest lol

im not sure if it's slower than interception, but defense is far and away the best

[spiral chasm]

interception is map dependant

cuz u need to min max point gains and delays waves

[coral crest]

Survival is not gonna be map dependant, is it

You're stuck in hell for 5min regardless

[spiral chasm]

the spawns are just bad in survival

[coral crest]

AND you're stuck for 5 minutes

Blehhhhh

[spiral chasm]

you wanna kill all the spawned drones for max vitus essence

time isnt the issue for farming tho

cuz people stay 100 waves for def or intercep

[daring summit]

whats the "meta" amp arcanes?

[modest vine]

iirc Eternal Eradicate and Eternal Onslaught

[daring summit]

thats what i have, but ive had it for AGES and figured that they'd been replaced/powercrept out of usefulness

[modest vine]

dont think so (least to my somewhat knowledge) i mean they boosted amps/operators with the mods and new arcanes

[late hemlock]

we didnt really get much new amp arcanes

[fierce lark]

eternal eradicate and the second is pretty open for interpretation

[late hemlock]

the increase in amp power is now from artifacts and mods

[daring summit]

thanks all

[fierce lark]

onslaught is good for lvlcap runs where you need the extra damage for last gasp if you're using madurai

i think im using virtuos strike, whatever the + crit dmg on crit one is

i got eradicate and onslaught backwards again xd

[daring summit]

so whats the other?

[daring summit]

oh, ignore me i mis read

[modest vine]

im using the strike as well and the one where I go void mode and heal my warframe per tick

[fierce lark]

thats an operator arcane, magus nourish

[modest vine]

yeah, saves my butt a few times when enemies getting crazy

[daring summit]

i am far too much in love with magus lockdown

[modest vine]

looks it up would be nice if it was more than 4 secs

[daring summit]

still incredibly useful for disruption demos, their nullifier pulse doesnt cancel it

[modest vine]

so THATS what that shit is every time I go near them

[daring summit]

likely.

[modest vine]

got my noctua out and ready to blast, when i get up in their face, book goes away and Im like wtf

[daring summit]

yeah. and the fact that it blows away most CC and then take into account the necramech ones on deimos and their stupid boost, and lockdown becomes insanely good

[modest vine]

though its just me, I blast them and kill them with ease but thats cause Im playing meta as hell

[daring summit]

i guess im thinking in EDA, where i cant (normally) do meta shit

[modest vine]

that reminds me, need to see if theres no defence missions in EDA this time

[daring summit]

alch, disrup, assass

[modest vine]

*ETA

[daring summit]

nevermind

[modest vine]

yeah sorry I was like: whoops

it always seems like theres 1 defence mission in ETA

[daring summit]

well my eda hated me this week, secondary and melee, one option each, built both just last week

vesper 77 and galariak prime.

[spark thorn]

Gas powered stick?

[daring summit]

whats the riven stats?

[spark thorn]

Cr cd status no neg atm

[daring summit]

assuming the covered mod is CO and you have another way for attack speed (wisp mote, volt speed, etc) seems good. but with the name and the pressure point, i'd have expected gas elemental damage,

but i do not know what bo incarnon offers. could be in there

[spark thorn]

Havent messed with attack speed much its pretty ok as is but i might get the attack speed arcane if i feel i truly need it

[daring summit]

fair, and i was looking it up, allegedly, according to the wiki, the options on the first incarnon choice are not working.

[spark thorn]

Im still waiting for my incarnon so hopefully they fix it before i get it

[daring summit]

well, bo incarnon has been available for quite a while. so.... [morgan freeman in dark knight] good luck

[fierce lark]

boar is in 4 weeks

[dusky swift]

Is there any good general use steel path build for alternox

[fierce lark]

standard viral+elec rifle build, doesn't need shred so you can take vile accel instead or elementalist

[nova swift]

hmm, trying to decide on a dagath stick. Nami solo or Bo prime? I think bo prime has more status/range/crit stats but the Nami solo has 1.0 follow through

[regal edge]

Question: Arcane Persistance - is incoming damage gated to 500 damage/second then further reduced by armor/DR effects? Or does it gate the final incoming damage after Armor and DR to 500/sec?

[undone dust]

after

[fathom sky]

After, don't use DR at all with it

[undone dust]

id go for nami personally, the 100% follow through is just too nice

[mossy juniper]

does anyone have a SP nidus build? endgame?

[fierce lark]

nami solo is probably uncontested best influence weapon in the entire game

maybe an argument to be made for xoris/falcor in massive packs

[nova swift]

did some testing, bo prime has better influence upkeep cause nami solo just instakills everything ;D

[fierce lark]

but nami just does the same thing with 1.0 follow through

[nova swift]

so low level probably bo so I can cheat out an influence proc, and higher level nami solo

[fierce lark]

okay real talk for a second

i always see people saying influence is iffy here or there because too much dmg instakill etc

i never have trouble keeping influence up on anything, including valkyr talons

[tawdry trail]

condition overload pairs nicely with influence because the reduced upfront damage lets it proc more

[daring summit]

dinking with strun for a cyte09 loadout cause screw reload times.should i try to squeeze in spectral serration? nvm. not a shotgun eligible mod

[tawdry trail]

I'm curious if you've tried it on landslide fists

[fierce lark]

i dont even own atlas prime lol

i used to play it on gara but i dont even remember if it worked bc i switched to gas afflictions

and im playing 280 range gara which has screen-wide 40m+ range anyway

so influence is kinda moot

[nova swift]

Yea afflictions is really nice on her, either that or exposure to charge your 2 a bit faster for a hybrid gameplay

[daring summit]

would it allow double stacking statuses? ?

[fierce lark]

it would but like

what statuses

12x combo shattered lash with shards is already critting for 6m+ on armored enemies

there's nothing to spread to, everything ded

[daring summit]

well.... when you put it that way

[fierce lark]

it's just too strong not to use afflictions on gara bc lash applies guaranteed fling and is innately aoe

[tawdry trail]

I have tried influence on atlas and the upkeep was not great but it's also unnecessary unless you want to kill all the enemies behind you as well as the enemies in front of you once every 20 or so seconds

I have since discovered that the third punch in the combo triggers afflictions

[nova swift]

influence looks really good in simulacrum on atlas, but if you are all charged up and in a mission its not as great

[fierce lark]

im not big on simulacrum warrior testing, practice usually plays different

like using simulacrum to test irradiate when in practice you don't get a pack of 20 enemies within 7m of each other very often

also im an idiot

for the longest time i thought blast was 3m

it's 5m

if you want aoe on a weapon that can theoretically use irradiate, just use blast instead

way faster, way more damage

[nova swift]

I'd be nice if irradiate also worked on 4 proc max eximus units

thats probably the worst feeling part of that arcane

[fierce lark]

it'd be nice if irradiate (and debilitate) didn't require 10 stacks to do anything

[daring summit]

but if stacking statuses with influence is useless, why both adding 6 more with knockback through afflictions?

[fierce lark]

to make giant gas clouds

[undone dust]

giga fart gara

[nova swift]

Lavos: fartmaxxing
Ash: fartmaxxing
Gara: fartmaxxing

[daring summit]

i wish i could post gifs so i could put the one of baby groot vomitting

[nova swift]

we all gassin up the place

[olive wing]

So, I made the build much better and got my friends to help. (One volt, one wisp both with 250% strength)
We crashed my xbox.

[undone dust]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-groot-vomit-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gotg-gotg2-gif-11735163

[fierce lark]

debilitate could have the 10 stack thing removed from its text entirely and it would probably still be niche, but maybe usable on some builds

irradiate should probably do something like "deal 18% damage to surrounding enemies per radiation status effect on the target" so that it actually did something up to 10 stacks

that might be too strong but maybe it could be tuned to an acceptable level, as is though i think it's just bad

[daring summit]

i get this everytime i try

[tawdry trail]

irradiate can be used on like 3 frames I guess?

[versed harbor]

think its only after you've sent enough messages so ur trusted

[daring summit]

ahhhhh

[fierce lark]

irradiate oberon is copium when you can do the same thing easier and better by pressing the smite button

[undone dust]

it might be because it isnt a discord gif

[fierce lark]

i don't think qorvex's chyrinka pillars can get enemies to 10 stacks fast enough, but maybe?

[tawdry trail]

so that leaves nyx

[fierce lark]

doesn't nokko do some radiation as well

idk haven't played him yet

[nova swift]

viral, sleep and toxin mostly

[daring summit]

mine or theirs? mine is from the gif menu in the input line

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-yeah-gif-21176620

i adopt the Clem tag and BAM gifs

wooooo

[fierce lark]

okay so i think

a mid-high range nyx can throw irradiate on any weapon and it'll work

[undone dust]

stop that

[fierce lark]

thats about the only use case i can find for it

[tawdry trail]

yeah that's about it

[fierce lark]

if im reading this right and any cast of chaos is guaranteed 10 rad stacks on all targets with a 25m base range

[daring summit]

oberon doesnt have a use case? that would surprise me

[undone dust]

smite infusion ig but eh

[fierce lark]

anything he can do with irradiate he can do better by just pressing the smite button instead

max hp scaling aoe damage goes kinda hard

if you wanted to nerf your oberon though you could run smite infusion and then also nerf your gun's status weightins to force radiation stacks for irradiate

[undone dust]

be a chud and run irradiate ocucor

[fierce lark]

atp you're using a warframe mod slot and swapping your arcane to run slightly bigger blast

[daring summit]

is there a melee (preferably with incarnon) that cares about invisibility? looking to work on my cyte09 loadout.

[fierce lark]

there's furax wraith

it doesn't care about you being invisible but it does make your secondary shoot faster

[nova swift]

depends, what helminth are you using?

[undone dust]

funnily enough cyte's passive works on glaives (you can also just use projectile melees i.e quassus prime, arum spinosa)

[daring summit]

<Null>

[fierce lark]

everything cyte does goes against meleeing so there's nothing specific working in his favor, other than utility melees for movement or secondary outburst/amalgam furax

welllllllllllllllll okay

projectile melees do exist and some of them can actually headshot xd

none of them can get resupply buff, but if you want to do something funny with cyte you can try innodem

[nova swift]

yea I'd also say either a movement stick/buff weapon. If you had something like xata I would recommend projectile melees (corufell, syam etc)

[daring summit]

would ceramic dagger or hate incarnon count as a projectile melee?

[near plume]

got a cheap ocucor riven and only rolled it once, should i just keep this and give up? lol

[fierce lark]

yes

although you can't aim the hate projectile i think? idk ive never used it lol

ceramic dagger projectiles i don't think can headshot but im not certain

innodem projectiles 100% can

[daring summit]

Off to the simulacrum i go!

[fierce lark]

depends on how you feel about gas ocucor

[undone dust]

okina might be interesting since the daggers usually aim for heads

[fierce lark]

(it's horrific lol this riven is unusable)

if that was a panthera riven you'd probably be able to get like 5k plat for it

[undone dust]

forgot that panthera is a method now

[fierce lark]

i think it's bait

but people are taking it and riven prices skyrocketed over it]

[undone dust]

it's just saryn shit LMAO

flux rifle also works but it's just slightly worse

[fierce lark]

(or so ive heard)

reroll prices are like 10-15p, thats not that much

[daring summit]

so ..got this just swinging nami solo. was attempting a baseline in testing and it was apparently getting weakpoint

[fierce lark]

melees can hit weak points, they just don't have any weak point multipliers typically iirc

[nova swift]

oh yea, vastilok/redeemer prime/stropha might be fun. Thematic even

[daring summit]

well that seems silly and unintuitive.

[undone dust]

redeemer prime having innate blast would also be funny with xatas

[fierce lark]

i could be completely wrong tbh

[daring summit]

ooooooo yeah

[nova swift]

double fun with xata's because stealth hit bonus damage also applies to xata, giving it a good damage boost

[fierce lark]

google AI is telling me it works so it works

[daring summit]

where would i put xata on cyte09, i think his kit is pretty tight.

[undone dust]

over his 4

[nova swift]

funi yellow number xata hit

[fierce lark]

xata's has to go over resupply

it is considered a buff

[undone dust]

oh yeah forgot about that

[nova swift]

oh yea, thats kinda painful actually

[pallid quiver]

how does his smite work actually

[undone dust]

all xatas would realistically do for you is just be funny with blast
resupply already is another damage instance

[fierce lark]

radiation damage that strips armor, shields and overguard, and deals scaling damage based on max hp both on the target and to enemies around the target

[pallid quiver]

and that scales with oberon's str?

[daring summit]

well, i learned that one of my favorite guns (tenet arca plasmor) has no additional headshot multi, along with a list of guns/melees, like nepheri and stropha

[fierce lark]

(the aoe damage is a pecentage of the initial damage, so if it deals 1mil damage to the main target it'll deal whatever % of that damage to targets around it

[fierce lark]

scales with his strength and can be buffed with roar and viral priming

[pallid quiver]

how are people getting that to deal 1 mil

oh cool

[fierce lark]

hit a target with a lot of hp

[pallid quiver]

so how much str do people normally slap on him

[fierce lark]

depends on a number of things, you're trying to make it 1shot everything you hit, so it's a combination of strength + roar + viral stacks + topaz archon shards for +rad ability dmg

[pallid quiver]

speaking of, i understand that sev is a %hp nuke too with both his augs but is there a way to ensure its always 100%? and whats the str threshold for that

cuz for now ive built my sev for range

[undone dust]

255% im pretty sure? since you need 100% roar or whatever

i don't remember exactly

[pallid quiver]

oh its another roar reliant nuke?

[undone dust]

yeah

[pallid quiver]

what do i subsume for roar?

[fierce lark]

3

[undone dust]

3 or 4 if you go the prec intensify route

[pallid quiver]

ngl i dont really get what his 3 does

[undone dust]

just a slow and lifesteal

[pallid quiver]

all i know is that it drains energy per enemy hit

so pretty useful on a health tank i suppose

like valkyr

if ur running a rage battery

[undone dust]

yeah but health tank sev sucks so

[pallid quiver]

i mean its his subsume isnt it

[fierce lark]

his subsume is smite iirc

[pallid quiver]

is it even best in slot for valkyr

[fierce lark]

isn't it?

yeah it is

[pallid quiver]

so most ppl run gloom valkyr

[undone dust]

they're talking about sev now

[fierce lark]

oh lmao

[pallid quiver]

and take out paralyze?

[undone dust]

no
most people run nourish or wrathful

[fierce lark]

gloom valkyr is terrible

[undone dust]

her 4 already has lifesteal

[pallid quiver]

the humble nourish

[fierce lark]

i don't have it yet but im on the train of her best subsume being lycath's

[undone dust]

lycaths also exists and i forget about that

[fierce lark]

last thing valkyr needs is more damage

but infinite energy to stay in hysteria forever is cool

(nourish is more energy too)

but lycath's + equi is 55+ energy every single kill

[pallid quiver]

whats lycaths

[fierce lark]

voruna subsume

generates guaranteed health orbs on melee kills

[pallid quiver]

oooh

do people not like subsuming over her 3

and they just get rid of her 1 instead

[fierce lark]

some people do that, i think it's silly

[pallid quiver]

i like her 1 too much

[undone dust]

well paralysis is a good ability but ripline is also fun
so it's to taste really

[pallid quiver]

its such a nice qol

[undone dust]

both her 1 and 3 augs are also solid anyway

[fierce lark]

same kinds of people do low range and like 300 str even tho it's additive damage onto condition overload

280 range ripline also groups everything in a 25m radius and doesn't require an augment to do said grouping

[pallid quiver]

her 2 aug is the must have tho right

[fierce lark]

no, it's just qol

i use it, but it's not required

[undone dust]

i dont get why people run her 4 aug

[fierce lark]

burst damage for bosses maybe

[pallid quiver]

didnt even know she had one

what it do

[fierce lark]

it buffs the shit out of hysteria but turns it into a duration-based ability with a cooldown

[pallid quiver]

oh what

[fierce lark]

which is also bad because im pretty sure you still start out at 0 combo

[pallid quiver]

wait is she a heavy attacker?

[fierce lark]

no

[pallid quiver]

ive been just spamming lights on her

[fierce lark]

you do normal 12x combo tennokai hybrid

[undone dust]

her heavy attack is really good but just slide melee like a bum

[fierce lark]

slide spam valkyr is old news

[pallid quiver]

then again im missing her chassis for her prime so i dont have her fully built

im running like a half-assed build on her rn

still does nuts damage tho

[daring summit]

k, i could not get extra passive stacks off hate or ceramic dagger incarnons' projectiles. and even getting stacks off redeemer was inconsistent.

[nova swift]

you could run a WA slam build on valkyr. Its kinda fun and her claws have a decent slam range on normal heavies

[fierce lark]

innodem aimglide melees trust

[tawdry trail]

I think valkyr's heavy attack counts as a slam anyway

[fierce lark]

it does

if you build into it with seismic wave nira's etc with tennokai + a statstick and melee exposure, you can probably make it hit damage cap consistently

[tawdry trail]

I've hit damage cap once on valkyr through pure luck I think

[pallid quiver]

oh fr

valkyr becomes a walking magistar?

[fierce lark]

possibly

[pallid quiver]

saryn wanna help me get my lich to railjack

i got the combination down already its just the toxin is sliming me

[daring summit]

yeah, im seeing definite damage numbers, but no extra stacks of passive, so my methodology was flawed.

[green gyro]

the roll is really bad

but you can reroll if you wanna use the riven

[fierce lark]

12x combo slamming with melee exposure, 50% base crit, ability strength-scaling melee damage and every single tennokai mod buff which include a multiplicative damage buff

i could see it

[fierce lark]

i have an active sister so i can't unfortunately

[pallid quiver]

oof

nws

[daring summit]

ooh man, the more i play in it, the worse the simulacrum seems

[nova swift]

yea its buggy too, often for true A-B testing you want to exit the simulacrum, make changes and go back in

[daring summit]

yeah, its a mess

i didnt think it would have been that hard to re-intialize the player character when accessing the arsenal

[dusky swift]

Still looking for an good general use steel path alternox build

[thorn oak]

is it time to switch to blast corrosive on my boar

[fierce lark]

#builds-discussion message

[astral tinsel]

you'll need a weapon platform frame to make it any good

[tropic shell]

Do I take the new roll or nah?

[fierce lark]

actually slightly non-standard, multico primary fire so you want the flex slot to be serration

[fierce lark]

nah the old roll is crazy good

[stable plover]

i was about to craft a ferrox for mastery points, but then i got this riven. should i actually build it for this riven or is that not how this weapon works?

[fierce lark]

if you wanted more crit damage you could take the usual gilded truth slot and put bladed rounds there

[brisk estuary]

What Arcane should I run on Valkyrs Talons?

[mighty flare]

Exposure or influence

[thorn oak]

this sobek is strugglingggggggg

[steady wing]

oraxia feels a bit weird to me. she needs range, duration, and strength to be viable. I don't like when frames are like that.

[stable plover]

i just made mine a invis sniper frame, so i just put str and duration on her. i use her 1 to get energy back.

plus theres a sniper mod that refunds energy when you headshot.

[steady wing]

i guess i still like the zoom and boom meta, I hate aiming

[stable plover]

ya, her summoner build would take more investment.

[steady wing]

is her summoner build good?

[stable plover]

i dono, i havent built for it yet, but the bugs do a good ammount of dmg even with my half assed test build.

[karmic badger]

Her scuttlers scale only to the starting level

[stable plover]

which is 500, so they cant lv cap. sad. DE plz buff

[steady wing]

I never do lvl cap anyway, is it viable for lets say 1 hour of steel path survival mission?

[stable plover]

i dono, maby someone else does.

[gaunt gust]

yeah just jump around from wall to wall, oraxia has free invis

[thorn oak]

What stats am i looking for on a dread riven

[hollow scarab]

trybna decide on a good frame for farming fate pearls, does nakros buff those or is he not really useful there

[gaunt gust]

he doesn't, nothing does

[hollow scarab]

damn

so 24 at a time to have to get the amata and the augment for it. ts gonna be rough

might just go wisp and spam haste

cuz idk how else to speed up the mission

[gaunt gust]

valkyr is the fastest i could find

harrow probably also pretty fast

[hollow scarab]

oh yeah harrow. havent played him in a while, might bring him

[gaunt gust]

the point is to push down the boss asap

it's imune to status so gotta go raw dps

[hollow scarab]

so like mesa or smth?

also damn i wish sp gave better rewards for pearls. i need like over 200 at about 24 a mission. i dont wanna run this 15 times

275 so like 13 times

[frozen holly]

im looking for a hildryn prime build for steel path

[quiet plover]

Does anybody have any Catchmoon parts recommendations for a secondary?

[mighty flare]

haymaker with splat

[quiet plover]

Thank you! I'll try that out!

[grizzled thunder]

i need Khora for farm build

[fierce lark]

~200 range, pilfering strangledome and accumulating whipclaw

beyond that it's entirely preference

[silent cypress]

Can I get opinions on which riven is better for larkspur?

[fierce lark]

im not sure the consensus behind more/less range on a looting specific range, more dome range can cause things to get pulled in out of looting range

both kinda bad tbh, you wanna build viral+heat or viral+elec and right has mods on the wrong order

and larkspur isn't really a crit gun

best case you get ms/fr/dmg/heat with a good neg

status prob good too

[thorn oak]

dude idk how to make this stupid sobek work

its driving me insane

it seems so inconsistent

[night laurel]

btw, why is viral + heat viable over most things in the game? is the bonus that significant over, say, modding for the 1.5x faction damage bonus?

[thorn oak]

also I wanna make a complaint aswell, it has 3x crit damage but when i put a maxed prime ravage (110%) it only brings it to 6?

nevermind i understand the math now its because of my companion

[woven lynx]

mates what do I use for subsume for dagath's 4th ability? Or is she even viable in level cap with her 4th? Does it scale well?

[drifting anchor]

Her 4th does scale well. Forget exactitudes but it does a load of damage at higher levels cause of how Doom works.

Cause it can hit multiple times, apply doom and stack viral + armor strip

[fierce lark]

viral is the most universally beneficial status, 1 stack is doubling your damage and 10 stacks is more than tripling it

on fast status-stacking weapons like the nukor/ocucor/larkspur etc, the heat damage is compounding with each stack so it stacks up to very high damage ticks quickly, and it also has armor shred to make up for not having corrosive/strip

[shell tundra]

Do you want a hyper investment build that’s borderline guaranteed to make meta people apoplectic, but it can hold its own in ETA?

[night laurel]

ahh, i see. i'm still working on the Reconifex and everythinf but viral heat (despite it having heat?) is kind of underwhelming on it

[karmic badger]

Reconifex benefits from a hybrid crit status setup, triple galvanized is very worthwhile

[mighty flare]

4 still kills cap trash, just needs priming from viral & doom, or you can just use it for armor stripping.
but, usually you subsume it for a weapon buff like xatas/roar/whatever

[night laurel]

D:

what do i drop for Galv scope?

[karmic badger]

Vile acceleration and just use reinforced bond on a companion?

[night laurel]

oh! i forgot that was a thing. thanks

also, in what situations do you usually use Hammer Shot in? i feel like its a bit underwhelming in everything

[fierce lark]

it is

its the flex slot if you don’t need something else and actually have nothing better

[night laurel]

ohh

[fierce lark]

but usually it’s better to put something like vile pshred/vile accel

[stiff yarrow]

which would yall pick?

[fierce lark]

i dont think either is slottable tbh

[stiff yarrow]

damn

[fierce lark]

0.65 dispo is hard to work with

really need a perfect roll of 3 good positives and a good negative

[median rune]

Anyone know of any builds for Oberon that can create 44k overguard?

[thorn oak]

citrine

[frozen holly]

oOo yes please

[shell tundra]

Woe, minmaxed strength build be upon ye

Would you like me to explain in neurotic detail why I chose to go so high in my strength value?

[frozen holly]

i feel like it’s so the ability’s can go off and do the most damage while maintaining shield to keep spamming

[shell tundra]

Kinda. I originally drafted this before arcane expertise. I went so high so I could fully strip armor or shields with one cast of Pillage

Because Pillage, at neutral strength, has a 25% armor strip. Thats yucky cringe nae nae baby pee pee poo poo, so I decided, mostly for the laziness factor, to go as high as I could go with strength

And then there’s Aegis Gale. This is where things get even more neurotic. The mod only specifies it scales off of shields, this is both correct and incorrect. It scales its shield % of damage with strength(1 dip), and then it calculates that percentage of your max shields at casting of 4. Then that extra damage is applied to Balefire, whose base damage scales off of strength(2 dip). And then there’s the massive, beefy, beautiful elephant in the room, Arcane Expertise. It scales your shields off of strength, so depending on your outlook, A. Expertise uses your strength(3 dip) to apply modified shields to your Aegis Gale’s damage(4 dip)

@frozen holly sorry for the ping in the small hours of the morning, if/when you are able to read through this Harvard Law PhD thesis length block of text, it justifies going as high into strength as I did

[frozen holly]

lol you’re good i’m reading it so i understand thank you so much!

[rugged sorrel]

Any hope for a galatine crit build with this

[shell tundra]

And, if you want cozy factor, you can most definitely run a companion with Shield Charger and Guardian for even more shields and shield related QoL. Another nice thing about Hildryn is that, if you have Haven(3) on, any sentinel linked to you can run Reinforced Bond for the boost in fire rate

[thorn oak]

dude how did you get to 412 my mirage dont go thiat high

I think my mirage is at 388

Oh I guess 1 archon shard and 2 maxed mods would make that difference

[shell tundra]

Do you wish to experience a neurotic block of text that feels like an unskippable cutscene?

[thorn oak]

No I have every strength mod, but I realized U have 5 red shards I only have 4 since I have casting speed as one, and then the addition of 2 of my mods being 1 level from maxed would make that difference

[shell tundra]

Wunderbar! You have selected the correct dialogue options and have avoided an obsessive block of text

[fierce lark]

that is certainly something

[thorn oak]

we got like the exact same thing going on

Though you could get more strength with amars hatred so is it reallllyy max strength

[shell tundra]

Yeah but that has weird interactions with melee heavy attacks and when I’m not hovering around the map AC-130’ing the living crap out of the enemy, I’m spamming melee and I have a Tennokai build

[thorn oak]

may I ask what weapon are you running with hildryn

[shell tundra]

Scindo Prime

[thorn oak]

I will probably be getting hildryn prime soon since ive gathered half of the parts on accident

not that it matters i have like 8 warframes and 20 weapons in my foundry I cant use due to not enough slots

[old marsh]

right. but dont roll any further. this is my riven. dispo is too low

Envoy riven is only good for CD and Reload speed

[thorn oak]

I actually cannot stand my sobek because of the reload speed

[shell tundra]

#builds-discussion message
this is everything you need to succeed as Hildryn. There are most certainly less costly ways of doing it, but it won’t have the same effect

[thorn oak]

I would like to be a tank. Right now I have been stuck on nova though and planning to get stuck on zephyr.

[old marsh]

if u want 0 effort tank then u can try Rhino, Kullervo, Revenant, Oberon, Valkyr, etc

Nyx too if u use Assimilate

[thorn oak]

I have all of those except kullervo

I moreso just like doing damage in this game to be honest

I mean basically all I do is open relics all day lately cuz I dont really know what else to do

[shell tundra]

To be fair, I like to think I gave them the option to opt out of seeing the pinnacle of one frame obsession : )

[thorn oak]

I do need to do netracells actually

preferably not on public cuz somehow they mess everything up

[old marsh]

i get bugs during solo a lot more than public.

[late hemlock]

Man running zero range on hildryn is a choice

[old marsh]

how do u even get 0 range? i thought 34 is the minimum

[late hemlock]

I mean keeping it at base 100

[thorn oak]

I usually dont run solo but I guess all of my friends decided not to play the game anymore so its just me

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-zoning-out-cat-stare-black-cat-black-cat-tiktok-stare-gif-6568742496074847242

should have led with that

[shell tundra]

I’ve found that Duration scales Pillage’s effective range better than range. Plus I like to fly close to the ground so I can go through doors and the like. And with how ridiculous the build is, I’ve gotten used to not building for blast radius on my Balefire Prime; I like to look at it like a rocket shotgun

[fierce lark]

the only obsession here is getting as high a strength number as possible

which i mean, if that's your thing have at it

[late hemlock]

Not really about pillage but about balefire

It also scales multiplicativly with fulmination

You are losing out on so much range its a HUGE loss

[fierce lark]

fullstrip is completely irrelevant anyways

[late hemlock]

Overextended + stretch + fulmination make the blast radius go from 3m to over 10m

And it has no falloff

[fierce lark]

you could completely remove the armor stripping effect from pillage and have a very similar experience, hildryn is busted because of aegis gale enervate overstacking

[late hemlock]

Eh you dont need the overstack base enervate does enough

[fierce lark]

i mean it overstacks by itself because of the whole aoe projectile thing going on

[shell tundra]

My build works for what I do and it works quite well, I can consistently score top damage in incursion lobbies and I can pull my weight in elite Archimedeas

[thorn oak]

bro wtf

Nova with 18 null star and omamori and i just got one shot somehow

[late hemlock]

Its just called overinvestment

You can achieve the same power of onetapping mobs but with 3x the radius

[thorn oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209891410426462302/1238422621000044594/togif.gif

[fierce lark]

omamori is only a chance to avoid damage, and null stars DR have a 90% cap

[thorn oak]

I know but like genuienly what hit me

just got cooked boyy I guess I am making hildryn tonight 😭

what arcane are we running on the laetum

[fierce lark]

enervate/outburst

[thorn oak]

I think enervate crit laetum does sound good to me actually

[late hemlock]

Been liking enervate as well

[fierce lark]

numerically it's better, it gets way more damage out of headshots, doesn't get screwed over by crit-tier hitboxes, and doesn't get screwed over by the multitude of crit buffs in the game

[thorn oak]

So should I be having the increased headshot damage then for the last incarnon thing

[fierce lark]

and it still doesn't run ppg so the slot is open for fulmination

[thorn oak]

or second to last i mean

[fierce lark]

no you get the 400% base damage on non-crit/status

oh uh

[thorn oak]

or still elemental excess

[fierce lark]

i think it's the headshot one yeah

it's not a status weapon so elemental excess doesn't sound right

[thorn oak]

I have an idea and I bet this does not work but if it did it would be insane

Does it not show up the 400% buff

[fierce lark]

it does

you'll get a buff that says "overwhelming attrition" up to 3x

[thorn oak]

Oh yea it does it just didnt show up what I thought it would

[fierce lark]

it shows the number of stacks not the amount of dmg

[thorn oak]

So i assume i should build for crit damage and not crit chance

[thorn oak]

What is fulmination

isnt that blast radius

[fierce lark]

yes

[thorn oak]

Oh my finally i get to use primed convulsion

idk how long ive had it for just sitting unranked

[fierce lark]

if the incarnon form didn't exist, i'd be putting merciless gunfight there anyway, more aoe is kinda like punch through

[thorn oak]

I think I am going to be using merciless gunfight cuz I only really plan on using this thing against enemies my shotgun struggle with

[fierce lark]

laetum is an aoe weapon

that happens to also do a lot of st

[thorn oak]

Well I know but I kinda just need a backup that actually hits hard cuz my shotguns are good until something crazy shows up

and my nukor is good but im so tired of it

may I ask why you run a 60/60 mod, wouldnt it be better to just run only the status mods since you get the damage increase not hitting a status

Oh wow, I will be using fulmination I didnt realize the aoe was that big

[night laurel]

how does a crit laetum work? no devouring attrition?

[thorn oak]

Yea u instead use enervate and the johnny to get 400% damage up to 3x without a status or a crit

It sounds backwards but the non incarnon builds up the 400 x 3 and then the incarnon hits criticals and it does crazy damage

[night laurel]

oh that answers my question

its hoping for a 3x non crit?

do you aim for a max crit chance, then, or just smth like 50%?

[thorn oak]

Yea but its actually like easy to get 3 non crit non status shots

[fierce lark]

because first source of 60% status chance > a relative ~8% increase to elemental damage when you're already getting 400% from 2 primed mods and then pestilence

[thorn oak]

and then u get incarnon form with improved stats and it just goes crazy with enervate

[fierce lark]

sorry that's 450% elemental damage cause mag might is in there too

[thorn oak]

I guess the incarnon stats are the exact same

but it works someway or another

very well too

[night laurel]

huh... do you stack on cc or just cd?

[thorn oak]

I just used saryn's build

[fierce lark]

165+165+60+60 = a lot of elemental, adding another 30% on top of that is barely going to put a dent

whereas adding an initial 60% status chance is higher chance for faster corrosive/heat procs to delete armor quicker

and/or do damage to thrax and similarly large targets

[thorn oak]

so u stack crit damage and then multishot and a couple status

That does make sense

[fierce lark]

you take a normal corroheat dps pistol build and then replace the things that are being heavily outsourced

enervate is run so that you have a rotating low crit chance to keep up overwhelming buff, so no ppg

overwhelming is additive +1200% base dmg, so no galv shot/hornet strike

the slots are replaced with primed fulm for bigger aoe and then last slot is whatever you have room for, i just threw mag might in there

[thorn oak]

yea cuz its overguard shields and also crit damage

intersante

[fierce lark]

the status chance is pretty low so it's not likely to do anything for overguard but eh, something, more damage more crit

can put anemic agility in there if you want to empty your incarnon mag in 3 seconds

magnetic dmg itself doesn't do anything to shields or overguard, just the status effect does

[thorn oak]

Oh i did not know that

I think for it to fill my antimatter drop in one shot I would need hornet strike

[fierce lark]

if you're using it specifically for antimatter it's probably not very good

needs actual hits on enemies to trigger 5th evo

[thorn oak]

Im going to play around with it a little and see if its comfortable and if not then Ill probably still use it anyways cuz im tired of the nukor

and also it can take out large targets easier anyways

which is what my boar is (somewhat) struggling with

[late hemlock]

Antimatter is capped at like 250k damage nowadays iirc?

Its not what it used to be

[thorn oak]

what? i thought it was 25k

[late hemlock]

Maybe i added a 0? If its 25k it truly is pathetic

[thorn oak]

not really considering it multiplies the damage by like 20 and up depending on your strength

[fierce lark]

the incarnon heat beam is struggling to take out large targets? 🤔

[thorn oak]

less of struggling and moreso not doing it as fast as id like

[late hemlock]

You can multiply 25k by 20 its still weak

For charging tigris does it in one click if you want a weapon strictly for charging

[thorn oak]

i mean its a spammable aoe that consistently can hit over 1 mil damage

depends how u have stuff setup and im not actually 100% sure on the math cuz mine seems to hit a lot of different damage numbers

and it also doesnt interupt anything u do such as reloading or whatever else

and not to mention molecular prime making primed enemies take i think 2x damage

[pastel agate]

What element is good on atlas fists? I was using fire and toxin together but idk how strong it really is

Should I try something like corrosive or blast? I’d have to see if I have the mods for it tho

[fierce lark]

depends on if you have primed fever strike\

actually no it doesn't people are just slamming influence on them like always lol

[pastel agate]

I probably don’t have any real primed mods so whatever lol

[thorn oak]

my antimatter drop just did 11mil

is it glitched or what why is it so inconsistent

[fierce lark]

if you have melee influence, equip that and run pure elec with both elec mods if you have them

if not, you can run magnetic vortex, or gas afflictions

[pastel agate]

Hm, I have melee exposure for corrosive on ability cast

[night laurel]

why is influence so widely used, is it bc of how it self-primes everyone?

[fierce lark]

exposure good too

[late hemlock]

Im personally using exposure and just maxing out range on atlas

Even with weeping wounds elec isnt that consistent for influence in my experience

[fierce lark]

run pure heat/elec/gas/whatever

[thorn oak]

i wish they would do something about influence

[late hemlock]

Just run whatever you have primed mods for tbh

[pastel agate]

Whatever single element I have good mods for combined with the corrosive?

[late hemlock]

You wanna just stack the damage

[fierce lark]

because when the buff is active, your status procs start 1shotting everything within 20m of anything you touch

[pastel agate]

So just makes corrosive on my atlas fists anyway?

I kinda forget what two elements are needed for that lol

[fierce lark]

electric toxin

[pastel agate]

I’ve got some good gold rank mods for toxin but not sure for electric

I’ll just use whatever I can get

[late hemlock]

You dont want to bother with the 60/60

You kill stuff in a punch so getting a proc really doesnt matter

[night laurel]

i see, thanks!

[thorn oak]

solo netracell in 9 minutes not too bad

lowered down to 7 minutes

ill never be that dude that runs sobek cyte that does it in 2 minutes..

[velvet pulsar]

There's always Cyte Toxocyst

[thorn oak]

thank god i had an aoe weapon cuz the necramite was half way in the ceiling

[velvet pulsar]

Anyways I'm planning to use Valence Formation on Caustacyst pools to force influence and to make it even worse, I'll leave the pool below a well of life target to keep a 20m dmg field that last around 10s.

[karmic badger]

cause it solves the main issue melee has. Range

[sour copper]

is the -slash going to fck me for a wrathful advance nezha build

oh nvm its slide attack crit chance 😭

[sick ermine]

i had magnetic because i was running Archemedias against Murmur.

[sick ermine]

this is it.

how can i improve my Coda Bassocyst. Its doing good, but not destroying

[chilly crypt]

anyone got a mirage prime build for arbi

[karmic badger]

higher level arcanes, ranked up mods that sort of thing

[sick ermine]

just that?

[karmic badger]

yeah, at least push em to rank 8

a maxed out merciless would be more effective over overcharge

[sick ermine]

and this is my Coda Torxica

[midnight horizon]

Lastly what shards are good for Hydroid?

[velvet pulsar]

Ayy I also got a riven for it

[sick ermine]

i'll have to get that. Dont have any. Only maxed primary arcane i have is Bulwark

[karmic badger]

if you don't have primed gambit, use the crit delay

also don't build for radiation on the torxica, classic viral heat would be better

[midnight horizon]

Does Hydroid need blue shard? If so for what? Armor or Energy

[thorn oak]

creeping bullseye

this laetum is very good with nova

[sick ermine]

this look better? i dont have Crit Delay

[thorn oak]

its called creeping bullseye for pistols

[sick ermine]

yeah dont have that.

[sick ermine]

looks amazing

[quiet laurel]

str and duration max, go for eclipse augment to buff your second dps and run ogris with energized munitions

[thorn oak]

enervate isnt very good on this bc it has a decent crit chance

[thorn oak]

do u have omamori?

[chilly crypt]

noted, thx

[chilly crypt]

building koumei rn

[quiet laurel]

omamori for arbis tech

[quiet laurel]

ammo should be given by your volt or chroma

[thorn oak]

u can trade out velocity for whatever u want

[quiet laurel]

via dispensary

[chilly crypt]

for shards is it just strength? and smt like one casting speed?

[thorn oak]

when u get koumei level her up and subsume her for omamori and put it on mirages 2nd and just do full strength and you will not die. Her clones make u get hit less which synergizes with omamori so you basically never even get hit.

[quiet laurel]

5 str shards

[thorn oak]

4 strength and 1 casting is what i did

[quiet laurel]

you dont invest into survivability for arbis really

[chilly crypt]

damn oke

[quiet laurel]

you just spawnkill the enemies

[thorn oak]

also make sure to toggle her hold / press for abilities cuz its annoying to hold everytime

[thorn oak]

you do when mirage has a huge damage buff and u literally become unkillable with omamori

[quiet laurel]

hold on lemme get the actual arbis build for mirage

[thorn oak]

better to use omamori + clones to have her damage buff constant

with the build I just showed I run in 200+ steel path dude so if it doesnt work in arbis then youre doing something wrong

[chilly crypt]

bellicose for if theres a wisp on team?

[thorn oak]

If you run zenurik you dont need anything for energy

[quiet laurel]

yeah arbis always has a wisp as support

[chilly crypt]

oke

thanks guys

gonna try both builds out

[karmic badger]

gambling on a wisp for power str is kinda feky

[quiet laurel]

gambling?

[thorn oak]

i play solo so i dont have that in mind lol

[karmic badger]

unless you have a pre made squad

[quiet laurel]

just do a lfg in recruit chat

[thorn oak]

kinda pointless to build around having a squad if you dont have a squad

[karmic badger]

still, molt augmented is usually more power strength

[thorn oak]

the mirage build I sent gets you to just under 1000% damage increase and has survivability

idk what else you would want

i think it goes to 968%

[quiet laurel]

more dmg buff fr

played with I think 2.4k dmg buff yesterday

[thorn oak]

idk why you wouldnt I run an acceltra in steel path omni fissures and one shot everything

[karmic badger]

says more about the buff than the gun

acceltra is desperate for external buffs

[thorn oak]

thats kinda my point

[quiet laurel]

and for more dmg buff you need the meta squad

and one other thing which I wont mention

gotta gatekeep

[thorn oak]

but u dont i just sent a build that u can get just under 1k for solo

the build u sent, gets up to around 700%

its actually less because of power donation

[quiet laurel]

all 4 squad members run power donation

for extra str on the nidus specter as well

[thorn oak]

Thats still less than the build I sent

😭

[quiet laurel]

not rly

[thorn oak]

You can do the math

not to mention you have to have an entire team for it whereas u can use mine solo

[quiet laurel]

bellicose + nidus specter + energy conversion + 4x power donation

[thorn oak]

-1 power donation due to you running it

which is -30 which runs to -60% damage buff

bellicose would be 144% and power donation would be 180% which is 344. Idk about nidus or energy conversion stuff

[chilly crypt]

oof needa grind simaris standing for energy conversion

[thorn oak]

and then the strength it says on the left is 244 which is 488

[quiet laurel]

you get to 690 str

[thorn oak]

488+344=832

Okay with an entire perfect squad you get 690

[quiet laurel]

not even perfect squad

with a perfect squad it would be 150% on top of that

[thorn oak]

Literally you have to have everyone running certain things you need near a perfect squad for it

[quiet laurel]

yeah

thats what meta arbis is about

[thorn oak]

@chilly crypt do you run with a squad YOU communicate with?

[quiet laurel]

and a lot of people do it so you kinda always find a squad

[chilly crypt]

yea i just use recruitment chat

[thorn oak]

If you use my build you could have more with said squad

and the build u sent has literally no range at all so ur teammates cannot even benefit AT ALL

[quiet laurel]

they do

my guy, do you even know how arbis work

like genuinely

[thorn oak]

I just think its ridiculous for your build to be good it needs an entire squad 😭

I mean if they play with a squad then yes but idk im a solo player

[fierce lark]

remove the riven entirely because it's making your gun do gas+blast instead of viral electric, replace both it and vigilante armaments with critical deceleration and ravage/primed, and run deadhead or bulwark instead of overcharge

[thorn oak]

I just think its pointless to assume youre always gonna have a perfect lineup when you can have a build that is safe and will always work

[sick ermine]

but but but.... wiven mowd

yeah i should just dump it

[fierce lark]

you can reroll the riven to something not actively harmful if you'd like

[karmic badger]

0.5 dispo

[nova swift]

from what ive seen it involves macros, akarius prime/zarr/ogris and either a cyte-09 or mirage

[thorn oak]

reroll and get something good thats not possible

[nova swift]

kind of soul destroying tbh

[sick ermine]

yeah i'll give it 5 more rerolls and see if i cant get something better

[fierce lark]

0.5 disp you're likely gonna need more than 5 to get something usable

[quiet laurel]

you'll have meta arbi tactics when you do lfg and people arent hard to find
they might not have the perfect knowledge on how to do certain things but it will always be better than running solo not doing meta arbis at all

[thorn oak]

his mirage is better if you have an entire team and setup 12 different things and make everything work just right

[fierce lark]

basso is just not riven friendly

[quiet laurel]

no macros, no zarr, and yeah either cyte or normal meta (saryn/mirage)

[thorn oak]

you dont even have to run solo with my build im saying its just consistent and will always do the job instead of having to rely on certain things

[true hound]

Hey lads, quick question. Can yall help me with some good and Easy to operate level cap builds? Wanna get into it “again” (did a few little over a year ago, was using harrow with evade and the dual something incarnon)

[quiet laurel]

cyte uses sobek, as both host and client once sobek on clients gets fixed

[thorn oak]

and its useable outside of arbis

[fierce lark]

any frame and a lot of weapons can clear at cap

[nova swift]

the ones ive seen definitely use macros, I can put a timer on their resupply/jump timings and itll hit perfectly for like 5 minutes straight

[thorn oak]

I mean at the end of the day its up to the guy my life doesnt change

[quiet laurel]

cytes resupply is muscle memory after some runs

[true hound]

But how do I apply armor strip efficiently if I don’t have pillage yet. Could you give me some examples? (I know cold applies it but that’s it)

[fierce lark]

the answer is you look at armor and laugh

the more serious answer is just have either corrosive or heat on your weapon and you're fine

[karmic badger]

1 Heat proc

[thorn oak]

I think my nova needs 5 parkour velocity shards

[fierce lark]

i mod corro+cold on pretty much all of my primaries now and it smokes everything

[karmic badger]

DE pls gib rifles a second primed element

[fierce lark]

i have no idea why it's so strong but it feels a lot better than any viral combination or even corro+heat

[true hound]

Wanted to go primer + staltha revenant that would work no?

[fierce lark]

stahlta revenant will do it, stahlta can probably get there without buffs, multico is disgusting

thrall pact on a gun with multico is ten times more disgusting

[true hound]

Thrall pact and multico, returning player so I’ve got washed lmao

[fierce lark]

thrall pact + multico + a companion primer with rbond+tazicor = you're probably deleting everything in front of you including thrax including acolytes up to 9999 easily

[true hound]

What does it mean*

[fierce lark]

thrall pact is a rev augment that gives him primary base damage based on how many thralls he has, and it scales with strength

multico means a condition-overload type effect (co) that scales multiplicatively with other sources of base damage, rather than additively

so if you have deadhead + 4 statuses on a stacked galv aptitude, you're getting 80x4 = 320% damage multiplied on top of the existing 360% from deadhead

rather than adding with it

most projectile weapons have multiplicative CO mod scaling

including the stahlta

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsEoCYhZmmPNgfqQksMnZFSFiTWaXDavulsghO-_QNE/edit?gid=883121879#gid=883121879

that whole sheet has every known CO interaction in the game, and is updated semi-regularly

[true hound]

Oh gotcha, I’ll try that. Didn’t even know about that augment as I’ve only played rev when I started playing the game

Thank you I’ll have a look at that. Btw primer companion - hound could work right? Only one I got built as of now

[fierce lark]

hounds work

[inner spruce]

how can i make wisp always invisible

[chrome badge]

just don't put contagious bond or else you get a nuke hound

[chrome badge]

play with shade/huras kubrow and only run cataclysmic sun augment

[karmic badger]

constantly spam her clone

[inner spruce]

does ivara have infinite length of invis

duration*

[fierce lark]

this should work on any hound config with 325+ base shield

[coral crest]

No contagious bond?

Or restorative bond