builds-discussion

[night laurel]

probably fr/ms/reload
very low dispo

[fierce lark]

same as this

[night laurel]

vengabus especially benefits from fire rate and reload tbh

[fierce lark]

+reload is a dead stat assuming you're actually using both halves of the weapon

conversely -reload is a mostly harmless negative

[night laurel]

help i forgot about the passive

[fierce lark]

melee kills add 100% efficiency for 4 shots, up to 16 total

[night laurel]

but yes, will be low dispo for a while

[manic hawk]

So reload speed would be a positive negative?

[fierce lark]

sort of

if you mess up and end up having to reload, it has a slow base reload so you're really gonna feel a negative reload roll

[manic hawk]

Fair

[fierce lark]

or you won't because the dispo affects negatives so it'll be like -15%

but yeah

vinq rivens are more an investment than anything rn, it has the literal lowest disposition possible at 0.5, really not worth your kuva

getting a slottable roll will be very difficult

[manic hawk]

I’ll try my luck 🥀

[fierce lark]

typical weapon godrolls probably aren't even slottable

[coral crest]

Peenquibus

You need 2 rivens as well

For melee and ranged

[astral tinsel]

it's a crit weapon, so the slot pressure is high

[fierce lark]

tbh

i actually think all rolls are unslottable lmao

viral riven isn't even good when you want to slot primed cryo anyways

and i dont even think a corrosive riven can roll a big enough positive to be better than 60/60 status corrosive

0.5 really is just doomed

[manic hawk]

This any good?

I know the magazine capacity is kinda mid but the crit chance is good

[fierce lark]

this basically reads "83% crit chance"

which is half of point strike

it's terrible

[manic hawk]

I’ll keep rolling

[fierce lark]

i would need someone who's better with numbers to confirm but im not sure that even the best case roll is usable

[late hemlock]

Definitely a waste of time with stats like these

The only time Id imagine its worthwhile is if it gets you 2 element or an element + stat and allows you to free up mod space? But the numbers are really low

[fierce lark]

the numbers are so low that im genuinely not sure if it's worth the extra mod slot

you get like like 42% elec 42% toxin and like 28% fire rate

what then? you've rolled 1 slot corrosive with some fire rate, and you've gained a mod slot, but you've lost 120% status and 36% corrosive damage in the process

what would even go in the leftover slot?

the only real option is bane if you aren't already running it

[night laurel]

a triple racist mod would be convenient if the values hit maxed non-primed mods

[late hemlock]

Wouldn't roll it either way needs huge rng to make it good

Unless you just really like the weapon idk

[stable plover]

this burston build ok, or should i replace serration with sompthing else? (riven is 272.1 c.chance 211.3 c.dmg)

[night laurel]

i do 😔 one day

[late hemlock]

I also have the problem of over investing in a riven

[white lodge]

Does primary acuity work on burston incarnon?

[late hemlock]

I want a paris with +cc +sc -any

I think im at 160 rolls?

I got close I got that roll but with a third positive, dont want that

[stable plover]

seems to, i hit red crits exclusivly when i hit a weak point.

[lucid scarab]

Is this a good Dagath build?

Or can I do better

[karmic badger]

Hot take, negative dispo shouldn't apply to QoL stats, like anything you can slot into an exilus

[fierce lark]

but then should positive dispo also not apply to them? how does that work

exilus stats are always the ones we want as negatives anyways, i want them to be affected by the low dispo

+recoil at a high value actually makes guns annoying to use sometimes

[karmic badger]

Only negative, they go up on positive

I want tenet envoy riven with ammo max that's worth a damn

[fierce lark]

i just don't want a tenet envoy riven xd

but also -ammo max would probably no longer be a viable roll if it was unaffected by disp

hell it probably already sucks

[karmic badger]

Rivens in general suck

[astral tinsel]

it works pretty well, I like it better than multishot

because multishot doesn't affect the AoE, making it only half as effective

[karmic badger]

Isn't it gaptitude? Not multishot?

The projectile is what spawns the explosive, so more projectiles should be more explosions

[astral tinsel]

gaptitude actually works on the enemy directly hit

the reason it's not used on burston is that it ignores the extra base damage from evo perks

[astral tinsel]

afaik the issue is with hitscan AoEs in particular

each target can only be hit by one explosion

[fierce lark]

the issue is probably because projectile multishot actually creates multiple projectiles, with hitscan there are no projectiles to duplicate, so it instead creates separate damage instances

but only one "projectile", so only one explosion

multishot is still good if you aren't landing a lot of headshots or prefer faster incarnon charge, burston does so much damage it doesn't need acuity

unless you're hitting a boss of some kind

[velvet pulsar]

It could only work if the shot has any multi-hitting property

Though I don't think I've ever seen any hitscan with that.

[modern vale]

What does the Augument do? Also I would change the aura for Corrosive Projection since you can already spread Viral

IF I'm not wrong, her 1 is affected by range. If it's not relevant, then this build is good (I don't usually play with Dagath)

[severe bough]

U can run neg range and only focus on str and duration

Also no need for saci vitality and streamline and i would probably run brespite in aura for saftey

[modern vale]

Prob he could switch Umbral Vitality with Overextended

[modern vale]

Streamline would be necessary if he spawns + we don't know if he uses Zenurik

[severe bough]

U dont need range

[modern vale]

Does Overextending not sacrifice reach for strength?
Or I'm confusing things

Too many Corrupted mods mb

[severe bough]

Streamline does nothing for your starting energy tho also equilibrium and her passive should be enough for energy

[severe bough]

Narrow minded

[tranquil shell]

Yo im about to claim gauss prime in a few mins what mods should I try to get for him

[modern vale]

Makes sense

[severe bough]

Either nuke or platformer tho depends on what u have available.
u can also use a mix build

[tranquil shell]

I have no clue what any of that means rn im mr6

[severe bough]

Ye so u have not much available whats mods do u have

[tranquil shell]

The basics rly intensity equilibrium uhh ability efficiency and allat on my volt

And I want to level it up fast

I have like 2 forma too

[mental ivy]

hypothetically how much plat do you think itd be worth?

[shell ridge]

Prolly not much cuz burston incarnon is mostly the same but better

[mental ivy]

oh i just got a burston riven too but i mayve been scammed cos i got it for like 200p off trade chat

any idea how much this one would be worth?

[shell ridge]

Nah that seems abt right

[shell ridge]

Burston rivs with those stats r being listed at 400-500p on wf market

[white lodge]

Finally... Got all the artifacts from the focus schools... 💀

[mellow nimbus]

Anyone here playing solo SP circuit? How are you doing excavation level cap?

[spiral chasm]

you leave

any type of defense mission u just leave

because one grenade destroys the objective and not worth the hassle

[mellow nimbus]

I'm just playing for fun and not after the rewards so I'm trying to push as far as I can on solo

[brittle sleet]

You can thug it out on excavation by just letting the excavators come down and get popped and keep stacking 20 cryotic at a time

[spiral chasm]

you need a defense frame then

[brittle sleet]

Alternatively pray you get lucky with being able to run Limbo or someone like that

[spiral chasm]

limbo, frost?

[brittle sleet]

Maybe mix in some operator grouping ability for cc too?

[velvet sundial]

What helps with pulling enemies together?

[spiral chasm]

nautilus, snare from khora, operator arcane

theres a couple other grouping abilities too

i think mag? lavos larva

[coral crest]

Lavos???

[lavish orbit]

Scyotid

[spiral chasm]

oh its nidus not lavos has that ability

[velvet pulsar]

Melees have Vortex & that one Zaw arcane.

U also have Vazarin for grouping.

[undone dust]

my favorite 5th ability

[lavish orbit]

This and Cedo alt fire 😍

[sly island]

Guys which better boar incarnons or soma incarnons?

[severe bough]

Boar

[sudden ivy]

I am not sure if i am in the good channel for that, but generally which would people prefer for their Vectis ?

[late hemlock]

cc and cd would be better than multishot and an element

ideally you would want - mag size to use primed chamber but im just going to assume you wont have the mod

[sudden ivy]

I do have it !

[late hemlock]

you have primed chamber? what a madlad

[sudden ivy]

Ooh i just got this now...

[late hemlock]

negative mag is HUGE for your dps

right is easily better but no negative 🙁

[sudden ivy]

A shame that there is no negative

[velvet sundial]

What is a good companion weapon

[deep grotto]

People have a Verglas addiction

Nautilus gun

[velvet sundial]

Ya I see that everybody been telling me that😂😂

[latent latch]

What is a beter mod then galvanized scope for burston prime incarnon

[late hemlock]

what do you wanna use it for? it depends

with some setups maybe you dont wanna shoot at all and just use them as stat sticks for manifold bond for example

[celest thicket]

I prefer the vulcax, looks alot cooler

Obviously not as strong

But can get 50% crit for tenacious bond

[brazen fiber]

could someone recommend me archon shards and Arcane slots for Umbra? I play him mostly using electricity

[fair swan]

Should i pick fortress salvo or forefull finality for burston prime incarnon

[old marsh]

5 purple crit dmg shards

arcanes r very flex

molt aug, energize, circumvent, battery, fury, strike

all r great picks. try and see whichever ones u like most

[brazen fiber]

thanks ^^ I dont have the archon mixing unlocked yet, but fury soudns really nice

[brazen fiber]

would expertise be a good pick for the start? because right now I am missing survivability because of my current lack of endo and credits

[late hemlock]

circumvent works fine at rank 0 and helps with survivability

same for aegis if you got a rank 0

[velvet sundial]

What should I try to roll for on a arca plasmor riven

[old marsh]

nah. if u dont have literally any other then go for it

[deep grotto]

Oxylus gun?

[velvet pulsar]

Can anyone suggest any other primary than Sobek which can proc some unique "on kill" effect?

[late hemlock]

beams with combustion beam are a thing, just a downgrade

others come to mind but not primary so uhhh not off memory

[fierce lark]

you shouldn’t, terrible disposition, a perfect roll will make no noticeable difference and waste a ton of kuva

[velvet pulsar]

Isn't that horrible?

I'm better off with Glaxion augment

[late hemlock]

it has like one good synergy with panthera incarnon iirc?

but its pretty terrible otherwise

[patent zenith]

I just got xaku is there anything wrong with my build?

[maiden oracle]

Well you'll usually want more range and duration than strength for his 2

Range means more guns and more things hit with 4 and Untime Rift if you run it, duration means 4 lasts longer which is the big thing imo

[maiden oracle]

Don't really need the efficiency or intensity so if you could swap thos out for Augur Message and Stretch that'd be better imo
For a Grasp build at least

[patent zenith]

This is so painful to make🥲

[brisk pumice]

Just an FYI, Xaku is canonically non-gendered.
so "they" /"their" is fine to use.

[quiet laurel]

xaku wants range > strength > duration imo

strength so he can strip with his 3

if you end up running subsumeless

[maiden oracle]

Ngl I forget 3 exists 90% of the time

If you can remember strength is good but if not I'd just take more duration

[quiet laurel]

same

I always suggest to subsume 3

stationary armor strip big yikes

[velvet pulsar]

Unless u wanna torture squad with Nourish + Accuse

[quiet laurel]

no one using anything apart from his strip on 3

and if someone does its by accident

[velvet pulsar]

Nourish enables friendly fire via Accuse

So any squadmates dealing damage to those will kill themselves.

It could be useful in dedicated setup where players want to absorb damage, but naturally not many people have discovered this because everyone picks 3 as subsume slot.

[velvet pulsar]

#rules This is an English-only server. Also please no AI slop.

[glossy yew]

are any of these rivens worth rerolling?

im not sure what weapons are good or viable 😭

wondering which i should sell off as junk

[maiden oracle]

I don't think any of them really are worth much

I'm half tempted to offer for the Trumna one but it has like 1 dot

[glossy yew]

i spent like 30k on the trumna one 😭

[maiden oracle]

Ripp

[brisk pumice]

that sounds traumnatic

[glossy yew]

10p or something

[glossy yew]

not really im new

im jst trying stuff

[maiden oracle]

Yeah it has one dot of dispo lmao

[maiden oracle]

Can't get on rn anyways sorry

[glossy yew]

all good

gonna sell them as junk anyways

[narrow granite]

this should be good ig for spamin octavia chasis puzzles

[hasty dome]

best archon shard for wisp prime? i just got my helminth done today

[narrow granite]

either tauforged red powa str or purpur shock dmg

[hasty dome]

can i farm them in netracells?

[narrow granite]

purple no, but can merge red and blue 😄

[hasty dome]

aight thanks👍

[narrow granite]

This is mi wisp setup, :V there are a few things that can clap yo cheeks, but oh well

[hollow ingot]

Anyone have a Khora Prime build just unlocked my first Prime and need a good build ?

[fair swan]

Anyone got a good burston prime incarnon build for me to use

[compact cypress]

having so much fun on yareli after ditching loyal merulina, what should be changed with the current setup?

[fair swan]

Are archon mods rly that good

[narrow granite]

yup.

[compact cypress]

pretty much

[brittle sleet]

Depends on what/if you wanna subsume over Aquablades but generally you want Duration over Efficiency on her K-drive builds, 2nd priority stat usually

[dusk cliff]

thoughts?

[lapis matrix]

Need an opinion on a Trumna Riven thoughts?

[compact cypress]

both pretty mid

[dusk cliff]

I figured. back to rolling

[summer dawn]

I like that last one

[unkempt bluff]

UNBLOCK MY WARFRAME ACCOUNT, I WANT TO PLAY

[chrome cedar]

Bro don't spam

[white lodge]

wrong place buddy.

[chrome cedar]

Posted everywhere but general

[white lodge]

still wrong place..

[unkempt bluff]

I WANT MY ACCOUNT BACK, THEY BANNED ME FOR 9 YEARS WITHOUT REASONS, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY AGAIN, I DEDICATED MYSELF A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY

[white lodge]

Next I'll ask a moderator to tell you instead.

[maiden oracle]

If they banned you for 9 years that means you dumbass did do something and something serious

Open a support ticket if you wanna pester them, not in the server

[smoky widget]

this look good?

[pure kiln]

anyone got a mausolon build for profit taker

[waxen spire]

Can someone help me with a normal Torid build please?

[unkempt bluff]

I call the shots whenever I feel like it

[maiden oracle]

[narrow granite]

what weapon would y'all suggest for index semi-afk monke ? :V

am thinkin a melee one to avoid ammo issues hmm

[late hemlock]

hildryn has infinite ammo and huge aoe

[narrow granite]

monke aka wukong part was missed xD

[waxen spire]

?

[tawdry trail]

Normal as in non-incarnon?

[narrow granite]

if u have vigilante supplies use that instead on exi slot

[waxen spire]

Alr ty bro

[tawdry trail]

Are you getting damaging status from somewhere else? What's up with elementalist

[waxen spire]

But is normal Torid, not the incarnation one right?

[mighty flare]

general pt guide if you need other stuff: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1464579751409881179

[narrow granite]

nah, just forgot to take it out lol

[tawdry trail]

I see

[narrow granite]

was meaning to put hammer shot but distractions distractions

[bold estuary]

You don’t use the normal torrid it’s really bad

[waxen spire]

I dont have the incarnation one, only the normal one thats the problem

[thorn oak]

everyone wants hammer shot but i dont think i use it on more than like 2 weapons

[bold estuary]

Then just hold off from using it base torrid is really bad

[fathom sky]

You are FAR better off using another gun in the meantime. It got an Incarnon for a reason.

[waxen spire]

Then u guys have a build for nataruk cause i heard is really good?

[bold estuary]

General rule of thumb if a gun has an incarnon it’s because it’s shit base every incarnon weapon was picked because it’s bad

[thorn oak]

this what i use for my nataruk

hammer shot and the riven can be replace

ironic i just said i barely use hammer shot and then send a build with hammer shot

[fathom sky]

https://overframe.gg/build/279221/

[waxen spire]

Alr guys, tysm

[thorn oak]

put fire rate instead of the riven

[waxen spire]

Alr

[thorn oak]

maybe also do heat damage instead of hammer shot aswell

[waxen spire]

Okey, i will try a build cause I main Valkyr Prime and I need something for long range and I will try nataruk until i get torid incarnation i think

[narrow granite]

would vigilante mods on a companion weapon work in index? :V

[tawdry trail]

Probably not

[velvet sundial]

Who is a good frame to use when I keep dying in steel path

[lunar bear]

does steel charge apply onto ash’s shadows and would you say it’s better fit than summoner wrath

[midnight horizon]

Tank frames

Oberon
Nezha
Wukong (pretty Tanky)
Lavos
Nidus
Kullervo

Those are the ones I know

I mean Vauban is a bit Tanky if he is inside the Bastille Cage, his armor cranks up higher and higher making him quite tanky

[midnight horizon]

Well experiment on it, me I use Steel Charge bc for some reason it works

[lunar bear]

i’ll try it. i’ll test some builds

[undone dust]

summoners wrath does not affect ash's shadows
steel charge is a mediocre additive damage buff to his shadows

youd be better off with corro projection or brief for extra survivability

growing power also exists as an option if you need extra strength for a subsume but like
ash is a very flexible platform frame so you're not really gonna be hurting for strength

[tawdry trail]

Don't really need brief if you can be insivible all the time

But yknow could be interesting

[undone dust]

the occasional aoe or stray bullet is always something to keep in mind

unless you dont do endurance then just dont give a shit LMAO

[merry mason]

anyone know good weapon build against Lephantis steel path?

[midnight horizon]

The 3 headed dumbasses?

[lunar bear]

yeah it didn’t really make much difference. kinda F’d me up cause i’ve got y polarity in my Aura too lol

[merry mason]

yes

[lunar bear]

but i’m mixing and matching obv it’s all for VC build

[undone dust]

good thing growing power exists

[midnight horizon]

Just use a Shotgun and boom them

Something would give them very powerful booms

[novel bear]

Use any good hitscan

[midnight horizon]

And their weakpoints are the mouth if you do incarnon

[novel bear]

They got rid of the weird attenuation

[viscid bane]

Is there a consensus for Roar vs Wrathful Advance vs Paralysis for Valk?

[undone dust]

well paralysis is a damage vuln so you can use it with roar or WA
but no matter what you use she kills anyway so ✌️🥹

[tawdry trail]

Wrathful advance gives you a bit more modding freedom on the claws since you don't need any crit chance

And a big part of roar use is status damage which valkyr doesn't really care about

[undone dust]

yeah the only case for roar is influence but you wont even really see that work until high levels in endurance
but even then just ripline group 🤑

[fierce lark]

currently running roar but i think im going to switch to lycaths hunt soon

needs more testing in actual missions but energize + battery + synth equi still runs out of energy sometimes when there’s combat downtime

[undone dust]

what a nerd

[fierce lark]

probably gonna try dropping blind rage first if it continues

valk has a funny problem of killing things too quickly diriga actually has trouble tagging enemies sometimes

[undone dust]

i dont think ive ever had energy problems on her but then again i play persistence valk with nourish and hunter adren

[fierce lark]

nourish would be preferrable over lycaths if i wasn’t using influence

[undone dust]

be a chud and use exposure

[fierce lark]

fever strike exposure does sound funnier, but then i actually have to press ripline to do aoe instead of arbitrarily pressing it and holding E most of the time

but also hitting damage cap with seismic wave and a tennokai stick sounds like extreme funny

[tawdry trail]

I don't like ripline grouping so I am somewhat tempted to try vortex with something that can reliably prime magnetic

[next dune]

how's peoples photon repeater builds looking? wondering how my old one is stacking against others and what i might do to fix it up a bit

[night oxide]

Has anyone got a Stahlta build? Getting conflicting ideas.

[next dune]

i've been trying to fix up my stahlta

this is how mine is looking so far. i have been maining uriel lately too

also fun fact about the stahlta. the unreal tournament skin alters its sfx

[night oxide]

I've seen a few builds. Some focusing on primary fire, alt fire and hybrids. So no idea which way I should be going.

[late hemlock]

stahlta has multi co so you want serration there
it has innate punch through so vile acceleration is going to be just more value than shred

generally you do not use this for priming but to actually deal damage, so 60/60s arent really needed over the higher damage variants, and you want your crit mods

[pure kiln]

I run... Nourish. 💀

[late hemlock]

generally the difference is that the alt fire explosion doesnt benefit from galv aptitude so you sub it out and thats about it really

[fierce lark]

drop heat and swap viral mods for 90 variants, add crit mods, and yeah vile accel > shred when you don't need the punch through

vital sense is better than hammer shot, generally speaking

if you ever get primed cryo, swap it in for regular cryo and swap 90 toxin for malignant force

[late hemlock]

i think primed cryo was on baro like last month so rip that guy

[fierce lark]

oh and swap the arcane for deadhead

debilitate sucks

[novel bear]

What are you modding for on the claws if not crit
Their status is already awful enough that it’s best to just ignore it entirely
She gets melee damage from her passive, and attack speed from warcry
Her claws are one of the few weapons where it’s hard to fill every slot

[tawdry trail]

I can't even remember

chances are I still actually have crit mods on there tbh

50 elemental damge types to you I guess 🫵

[novel bear]

Could always put more cc I guess

[tawdry trail]

It's pretty crazy how much modding on the claws can be outsourced

crit chance to wrathful, crit damage to shards, damage to the passive

[novel bear]

Elemental damage to exposure, attack speed to warcry
What’s left besides range and faction damage?

[tawdry trail]

fr

[mighty flare]

valkyr can reach ~400% final cc, wa would be a direct downgrade without decent strength investment

[tawdry trail]

I'd like to think I have decent strength investment

I thought most valkyr builds would

[novel bear]

Blood rush and wa is more cc than blood rush and double sacs I think

[mighty flare]

double sacs + br is ~600% final cc with 1 glad stack,
you'd need to reach ~300% strength for similar results

[tawdry trail]

good thing it's not a one-or-the-other type situation

[fierce lark]

yeah but the more of it you have, the less you get out of adding more

600% gets the final visual dopamine hit anyway

[novel bear]

Double sacs is only 137.5 cc
That’s just umbral intensify to make wa better

[mighty flare]

what?

oh you mean final

[novel bear]

Yeah

[mighty flare]

but you're just counting light attacks and not the heavy bonus which is very often now with tennokai

[novel bear]

Every four with disciplines merit, so an average of +206 final cc?

Sorry, 172

[tawdry trail]

it would be nice to have a source of flat status chance for melees that isn't proton snap

[fierce lark]

wouldn’t it be 600% strength needed? subsumed WA is 1:1 with strength, not 2:1 like it is on kullervo

[twin pine]

Hi, idk if this is part of the builds discussion but
does equilibrium works with dagath energy conversion passive
specifically the health to energy part

uhh like
Does the health converted to energy get the passive of 35% being 300% more effective

[mighty flare]

no they're talking of replacing sac mods with wa instead of just everything

[mighty flare]

wiki states doesn't affect equilibriums conversion
just orb effectiveness

[twin pine]

alright, thank you so much

[graceful plank]

Anybody got a gauss prime build??

[tranquil plover]

https://tenor.com/view/rumplestiltskin-sliding-rumplestiltskin-sliding-gif-12216504068784743386

what kind

we looking for speed, thermal nuke, gun platform relying on his 4th and second, or the ageis gun platform

[graceful plank]

uhh idk lol

I just finished nuilding em

in the foundry

[tranquil plover]

okay well what play style do you usually like

[solid ingot]

Does anyone have a good torid build?

[tranquil plover]

add a cold mod, a crit mod, and damage

plus galv mods

thats it, i can do eta and eda easily and my torid is still missing 2 slots

[solid ingot]

Really that's it? Mine has blast and toxin. It passes but I want it to do more lol. I shall try your advice!

[hard dove]

Do blast corro

Or viral elec for stronger st

[solid ingot]

St?

[tranquil plover]

viral go brrrrr

this is what ive been rocking

aslong as you have incarnon ofcourse

[solid ingot]

Only reason I started using it lol

[hard dove]

Single target

[solid ingot]

I'll try both

[glass rampart]

Chat share me your Nova builds

[ocean sentinel]

speed put toxin as well goes though shield

[shell tundra]

Do I even bother trying to fix my Tenet Arca Plasmor given it has a valence bonus of 32.3%

[night laurel]

just feed it more tenet plasmors and bring it up to 60

[thorn oak]

just get the coda bassocyst

[modern yoke]

Need a Lenz build

[ionic horizon]

hi is GA worth it using on the trumna and does it apply on the alt fire bounces?

[fierce lark]

if you care enough you can replace the elec mod for elementalist vs armorless enemies, vile for elementalist if you have external fire rate, run viral heat for more single target or pure toxin for corpus/single target with external armor strip

but this build will delete 99% of content without help

[mighty flare]

you can fill other slots with hunters munitions, bane, elementalist, hammer shot, viral + heat, etc

wouldnt reccomend lenz without proper weapon platform frame

[modern yoke]

Such as?

[fierce lark]

saryn, mirage, cyte, rhino, grendel, oraxia, really anything with strong weapon buffs especially if they can subsume another one

[severe bough]

Cyte prime in 2026 thank you

[narrow granite]

I think cyte may have a while till prime lol

[severe bough]

We all know

Sadly

Probably coming like 2029

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[coral crest]

Not in the next 3 years

[old marsh]

Late 2027 or early 2028

[severe bough]

Dont make me cry 🥀

[coral crest]

Oh wait

Actually exactly 3 years of wait

[severe bough]

Yup

[coral crest]

2026: Styanax, Voruna, Kullervo, Citrine
2027: Qorvex, Dagath, Dante, Jade
2028: Cyte/Koumei/Temple/Oraxia

Nonbinary warframe throwing the order off again

[old marsh]

Tbh, Cyte already slaps. Prime will just be another cosmetic. And if u like Cyte then u gotta equip Quincy anyways. Making Prime a moot point

[coral crest]

"you gotta equip Quincy anyways" what if I don't like him

[severe bough]

Is there any annoucment of the next dev stream?

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-not-nope-gif-22294097

[coral crest]

Yeah

[old marsh]

We all like Quincy

[severe bough]

I need to know the abilitys of the new soli fortnite looking fish flush frame

[coral crest]

#de-livestreams message

@severe bough

[old marsh]

expedition 33 Paintress. Enjoy

[severe bough]

Never played E33 but everyone said its good bruh idk

[coral crest]

She's the ink frame

[severe bough]

Feels like a crime to ask if it is worth to buy

[coral crest]

Idk how much of a colorful painter she is

[coral crest]

It's an frpg

Like jrpg but french instead of japanese

Very stylish, very cool.

[old marsh]

Then play it. It’s really freaking good

[coral crest]

But it's a turn based, squad based rpg

Not everyone's cup of tea

[severe bough]

Ah the french guys i love french

[severe bough]

I prop should

But i wait till after the next wf update prob

Or wait

[old marsh]

subtle way of saying skill issue. We don’t do that here. 🥀

[coral crest]

I may be crucified but saying it even as a fan of the game, it only got attention it did because it's the first "j"rpg in years that doesn't have anime visuals

Which a lot of people still consider cringe and a reason not to play

[severe bough]

I hope that she will have idk any exalted again

[coral crest]

Because Metaphor blows E33 out of the water but it didn't get nearly as much attention

[old marsh]

That’s a whole ass month of wait.

[coral crest]

I really don't like exalted frames :(

They restrict build creativity

[severe bough]

We got like 2 casters the last time again idk what the have for ideas when abilitys get revealed

[old marsh]

Metaphor has its own place. Can’t say it blows E33 out of the water tho. Both slap hard.
It’s like comparing Torid & Laetum. Both slap

[severe bough]

Tho they only said shes gonna be op

At least one of the abilitys

[coral crest]

My point is that majority of audience still chooses realistic graphics over anime

And that I feel like is a massive reason why e33 got this attention

Because a lot of people call it "revival of the genre", even though it never died

[old marsh]

u r still doing the same thing. Comparing Torid & Laetum based on looks

[coral crest]

And the game itself basically copies a million different not so old games

[coral crest]

Not really comparing, just saying that a lot of the praise was for the wrong reasons

[severe bough]

Im jus sad that GoY not won art direction price Bruh Everything won E33

[old marsh]

so just coz Laetum isn’t an infested weapon, u wanna thrash how it looks

[severe bough]

When warframe Goty

[coral crest]

I'm not trashing anything???

[severe bough]

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/sadhotgirl-gif-23622451

[coral crest]

I just said that e33 has gotten a lot more attention because it didn't have anime visuals, since a lot of people still consider it a reason not to play a videogame.

And then they skip on 99% of jrpgs

And then say that e33 revived the genre

And only final fantasy wins out because nostalgia is strong enough, and it still pulls the "graphics" card

[old marsh]

we need to stay on topic. This is a WF channel. Torid vs Laetum 🥀

[coral crest]

You are still missing my point

[old marsh]

[coral crest]

But yeah I have no ill will towards either game, absolutely love them both

Back to warframe builds

[severe bough]

Torid prime when

[coral crest]

Coda Torid

[old marsh]

2054

[severe bough]

2067

[old marsh]

Stop spreading misinformation

[severe bough]

🥀

[coral crest]

Everyone knows the game ends in 2035

[midnight horizon]

SO since they modernized vauban, what are the odds they let rumbled atlas parkour? also hi

[severe bough]

Im actually curious when warframe actually end since how long did the planned

[old marsh]

Not possible. Rebb stops adding adversary versions in 2049

And it already has Incarnon

[coral crest]

Once Atlas gets a heirloom

[midnight horizon]

youre so right

[coral crest]

He's old enough, probably

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[coral crest]

Or maybe not

[midnight horizon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/baby-dust-flash-DWUbBqQaketgZfcEbs

[thorn oak]

what would we change

im not changing the exilus

[fierce lark]

electric instead of heat, if you have primed charged shell

[thorn oak]

why electric

and the problem with that is it leaves me with radiation

[mighty flare]

NO EXALTED WEAPONS
NO LASH/RESUPPLY CLONES

FOLLIE WILL BE COOL

https://tenor.com/view/plinker98-catimplode-cat-explode-backwards-cat-implode-gif-7891341431154866774

[fierce lark]

you fix this with elemental vice if you can

"why electric" is because there is a primed electric mod and not a primed heat mod

if you don't own it then it doesn't really matter

electric remains better for general use, heat is better vs armored enemies that live longer than ~1s

[karmic badger]

At this point i just default to magnetic for my adversary weapons

[fierce lark]

super status heavy weapons like the kohm i think you might want primary element over magnetic, uncertain

[thorn oak]

tell me how i can make my nova better

right now this works and gets me through but im sure there is a better setup

and to add on I have primed continuity and flow I just dont have them on

[sharp crown]

Whats your goal with range?

[thorn oak]

uhhh I kinda just want enough

I do a lot of survival stuff so if that helps

[narrow granite]

opignions? :V

[velvet pulsar]

I should update my jade build

I still haven't used her 4 after exalteds were buffed.

[narrow granite]

didnt she come out after exalted buffs? @.@

[velvet pulsar]

Nope

[narrow granite]

o.o there was another exalted buffs wave o.o

[velvet pulsar]

Exalteds getting arcanes was after jade shadows

[narrow granite]

oh that

[sharp crown]

range is only going to have a meaning ful affect on the null stars, duration & strength are a better focus for nova

[thorn oak]

ahhh okay

[sharp crown]

this is geared towards null spam and gun redcrits

[thorn oak]

i thought it effected her fourths

interesting

[sharp crown]

it does kinda, range boosts the inital radius

duration boosts how far it goes after that

[thorn oak]

do you have any struggle with energy at all

because I hate running energize, I have primed flow aswell

[sharp crown]

with equilibrium and 1 tau amber for energy effectiveness energy is fine after the 1st orb

[thorn oak]

okay i figured it wouldnt be too bad since her passive gives energy no matter what with equilibrium

[velvet pulsar]

BTW her passive is not tied to her 4th.

[sharp crown]

equilibrium makes the most of it in either form

[thorn oak]

and then one last question do you survive fine with archon vitality and pillage + null star

[thorn oak]

how does that work

[velvet pulsar]

Cold procs still work with her passive

[sharp crown]

aside from level cap yeah, 90% DR and on demand overshield

[thorn oak]

Oh okay I thought U meant her passive doesnt work with her fourth. Ur saying it works even with just cold procs

[sharp crown]

molecular fission works too

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[thorn oak]

okay I will take pillage in mind I was thinking of nourish but I really am fine with finding another reason to not get grendel

[sharp crown]

pillage is my comfort subsume, armor strip and overshield is nice

I get viral procs from companion

[thorn oak]

ive been running omamori which is just incredibly overkill for survivability

[velvet pulsar]

I use silence subsume

Still no survivability issue

[thorn oak]

but pillage does make sense since ur getting health from archon vitality and armor strip + shields

oh im thinking of blazing pillage

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah

And blazing pillage only works on hildryn

[sharp crown]

i only really die if im stuck fighting something with damage attenuation, it soaks up the null stars without creating more and I dont notice

[velvet pulsar]

Nourish is overkill on her

Wasted potential

[thorn oak]

dude what I never knew what arcane hot shot did until now 😭

always heard people talking about it but never looked into it

thats insane

i dont even wanna know how much its gonna set me back

looks like im gonna have to make some more plat cuz aint no way im farming that

[eternal oxide]

who has a phantasma build i could use

[sharp crown]

I have a R2 Hot Shot I can give you for free to get you started as long as you can afford the 2.1mil trade tax

[thorn oak]

I can afford

just barely lol

[thorn oak]

whats your user?

[sharp crown]

Same as here

[orchid robin]

does anyone knows if archon vitality works with thermal transfer on gauss?

[thorn oak]

alright ill add u let me know when ur done with the exterminate

[sharp crown]

just finished

[coral crest]

Doesn't work on weapon buffs

[thorn oak]

Okay I added

[velvet pulsar]

BTW archon vitality doesn't affect hot shot

[sharp crown]

you get the double heat but yeah it doesnt add to the count

[thorn oak]

Oh alright

[velvet pulsar]

It's not going to be a big problem to u

Neutron Star is just that good.

[thorn oak]

So is there a method to stacking with null star

I know u can send them off

[sharp crown]

run into the middle of a group and hit 1

[thorn oak]

im assuming thats the way to build it up along with just roaming and killing

Okay thank you for the input this will definately help. Ive been using the kohm and thats genuienly my biggest complaint with it was I could barely crit

Well it can crit fine just compared to the other shotguns I like it doesnt

[sharp crown]

if you get weapon crit to 100%~ and add galv scope on top you should hit red

[velvet pulsar]

They're reluctant on shotgun crit because in their mentality too much multishot is already guaranteed to give crits on some pellets.

[thorn oak]

Yea that makes sense, I do wish there were more faster firing shotguns that could keep up with the boar. Ive been using the kohm to use something different but there is no fast fire shotguns that can keep up with the boars non incarnon mode.

Maybe the sobek could I was gonna try that out with acid shells since I read it goes through novas antimatter drop

[velvet pulsar]

Felarx?

[thorn oak]

I just searched that up I didnt even know that was a weapon that existed

[velvet pulsar]

Highest damage shotgun yet

[midnight horizon]

is this an ok build for it?

i wanna try smth new

[thorn oak]

Okay I will be looking into the felarx aswell then, Since its the older incarnon do you go for the non crit I assume

That would actually be perfect since anti matter drop also doesnt take in crits

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah it's a non-crit build

[thorn oak]

Okay thank you both for this information

There is a lot of improvement for me and nova

[midnight horizon]

whats the max damage for neutron star? and is Overextended needed?

[thorn oak]

No dont run overextended, I was told range isnt really a thing to focus on for nova. and with neutron star you dont need the range because you will be close enough to enemies as long as you are actually moving around and killing them

as for max damage im not sure

[midnight horizon]

well its vauban, if u can see on my build, vauban has neutron star

[thorn oak]

Ohhh sorry I was not paying attention to your subsume

[midnight horizon]

its ok

your good

AST i need your help hahahaha

[velvet pulsar]

Neutron Star doubles the range so consider that

Also it doesn't have a dmg cap

[midnight horizon]

huh.... so overxtended is not needed, is it the same as Blind rage?

[velvet pulsar]

U can invest as much strength as u want to boost the damage as long as it's not compromising the rest of the build.

My suggestion: I think because 2 of Vauban's innate abilities already count as weapon damage class abilities, u can buff that and neutron star via universal weapon bonuses

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Universal_Weapon_Bonuses

[thorn oak]

I now have a red crit nova and if I get the felarx an antimatter drop nuke nova

[midnight horizon]

hold on, is archon vitality going to work on nullstar?

[velvet pulsar]

Yea on neutron star

[midnight horizon]

hows this

Is blind rage needed tho?

[velvet pulsar]

I can only give feedback about the Null Star ability coz I have yet to build a Vauban

[midnight horizon]

Ah ok

[thorn oak]

I have a question about the laetum, since blast does not crit would it be smart to run a blast laetum to furthermore get the 2000% damage?

or will it not proc that

[velvet pulsar]

Not sure if that's patched already.

However blast does work with the other perk which gives 400% dmg on non-crit + non-status attack for some seconds and stacks

So I have built a crit laetum instead

Apparently it outperforms my Toxocyst which is sad and impressive at the same time.

[thorn oak]

Alright I was just wondering I want to have a crit primary which ill be using the arcane hotshot for however, I also want a non crit secondary / high damage secondary to fill up the 25k damage cap in antimatter drop

I really do wish antimatter drops augment allowed crit or status to go through instead of taking in enemy damage

[velvet pulsar]

Keep in mind that felarx is more optimal on incarnoff mode

[night laurel]

how does one build for raw damage against, say, object healths? do you just slap on as much 90 mods as there is?

[velvet pulsar]

Felarx or just stack any damage multipliers which aren't crit, aren't status, aren't weakpoint

Like Galvanized Shot won't buff damage against object based health

[night laurel]

i see, thanks

[velvet pulsar]

However, secondary surge will

[midnight horizon]

Yeah I am suffering with neutron star

Damage is good but idk how to survive yet, guess Omamori still works fine

[velvet pulsar]

Damage department?
Arcane Arachne

Survivability well...
The obvious answers

[midnight horizon]

Yup

I just need to know which is which and stuff

[thorn oak]

With an orange shard you can get 50% secondary crit chance, am I able to put more than one and if so do they all stack at the same time

[fierce lark]

yes

[thorn oak]

Wow

Ok i have some ideas to mess with then

[fierce lark]

5 tau shards will get you 7.5% secondary crit per kill up to 375%

[midnight horizon]

saryyyyyn

[thorn oak]

That is insane

[midnight horizon]

i need help

[velvet pulsar]

Should I put 5 tau purple shards for primary electric damage on Cyte?

[thorn oak]

Cyte looks so fun to play

[fierce lark]

i have yet to even craft vauban prime

[midnight horizon]

is vitality unnesscessary?

[midnight horizon]

oh ;-;

[fierce lark]

if you're looking for max neutralizer damage it's an option

[velvet pulsar]

Same

[thorn oak]

the archon vitality just makes neutron star proc twice

[velvet pulsar]

Well it also buffs acid shells DoTs

[midnight horizon]

so is it unnessessary?

[night laurel]

btw, i thought thats Tigris? 1500 unmodded and near-immediate as its a duplex trigger

or are you talking modern and not washed up metas

[velvet pulsar]

Felarx gets a perk

[night laurel]

OH right

[fierce lark]

while true, acid shells probably does enough to map wipe on its own without shards

but you can if you want

[thorn oak]

That kinda just depends how much damage you are wanting to do with the nullstars

[velvet pulsar]

I was thinking I should try a 5 tau purple primary electric dmg on a frame, cyte was my first thought, ivara was my 2nd.

[midnight horizon]

Ah, well it's more of I need DR and stuff

[fierce lark]

my first thought would've been gyre

[midnight horizon]

So aight

[velvet pulsar]

I have yet to farm gyre but that's not a bad idea

[thorn oak]

So then no archon vitality isnt helping with survivability besides the health addition

[midnight horizon]

Aight what do you think is the plausible replacement?

[thorn oak]

If you want strictly survivability then id subsume omamori again

[velvet pulsar]

They see me Rolling Guard...

[midnight horizon]

Hahahab

[midnight horizon]

Yeah might go back to oma hahaah

[thorn oak]

Thats what I run on my max strength mirage since she cannot stay alive

[fierce lark]

whatever happened to good old shield gate

[velvet pulsar]

Raksa Kubrow

Outsource shield gate

Or a manifold bond primer with guardian

[thorn oak]

Omamori takes less brain power I feel like and keeps ur arcane slots empty

[fierce lark]

it takes up the roar slot, which is a big buff for ability nuking

[thorn oak]

my mirage without max power ramp sadly

[velvet pulsar]

Vauban is an offensive CC frame, manifold bond primer will suit him with guardian

[midnight horizon]

Guardian and Manifold? On my Sunika?

[velvet pulsar]

Nah not arcane power ramp...

[velvet pulsar]

Hound. Hound can strip overguard.

Null Audit

[midnight horizon]

Don't have that yet, I wanna use what I have rn

[thorn oak]

If i had arcane power ramp id be at 1000% damage buff solo I believe with all the modifiers at max

[midnight horizon]

Just need tips how to move it around

[velvet pulsar]

Rolling Guard instead of Archon Vitality

Or put catalysing shields and replace fast deflection with an augur mod

Oh wait

U already have one augur mod

That'll do

[midnight horizon]

Hmmm imma try that

But idk if I'll rely on Cata

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah relatable

[midnight horizon]

But I'll try

[velvet pulsar]

I've reduced the usage of aegis

[midnight horizon]

here is my stuff, used Oma instead of null

[velvet pulsar]

Most of the time if a frame can easily deal with regular mobs via CC or nuking, and only eximus are the problem, then Circumvent solves the problem more reliably than aegis.

[midnight horizon]

How was it tho

[velvet pulsar]

Omamori is ok.
I don't use it much unless I have other sources of survivability which aren't reliable as well.

Also it reminds me of Hideous Resistance subsume.

[night laurel]

free 10k overguard AND you halve their overguards

i love you circumvent never go bald or nerfed❤️

[thorn oak]

Nautilus is the one that groups enemies right

[velvet pulsar]

From what I've been noticing, my one roll be doing full strip instead of half.

[velvet pulsar]

There's also Moa with Whiplash Mine but we don't talk about it.

[thorn oak]

I just need something that groups, and I figured I have all of nautilus prime besides one part already

Also can you repeatedly buy the tome mod bundle? Because you can sell them for more than it costs for that bundle

judging off of warframe market prices

[midnight horizon]

Which one?

I mean frame?

[velvet pulsar]

I'll probably check that once I login, coz I do have bought it once.

[velvet pulsar]

None.

[midnight horizon]

Oh

[thorn oak]

It would be a very slow platinum flip but u cna buy the bundle for 140 and if everything sold at market prices make 203 back

[velvet pulsar]

Eventually crash

Supply won't meet demand.

Profits will slowly reduce to 0

[tawdry trail]

I have just learned that atlas triggers a knockdown with the third punch in the landslide combo and can use afflictions

[thorn oak]

Im really just looking for a reason to use the grimoire since it looks cool

and I know its awesome

[velvet pulsar]

Ivara is my biggest reason

[thorn oak]

I think im gonna spend the 140 plat and buy it

rather buy the bundle then farm for them\

heard nightmares about the tome mods

[velvet pulsar]

If ivara doesn't convince u to use grimoire, IDK what will

Ivara makes Grimoire nuke

[thorn oak]

Wow I am gonna have to forma this thing huh

I gotta wait for tomorrow for my stupid exilus weapon adapter to be done

[velvet pulsar]

Also I've bought tome and tennokai mods and never used them

[thorn oak]

I just wanted the tome mods for support

[velvet pulsar]

Have u checked 1999 calendar?

[thorn oak]

Oh

There is one on feb 17

[velvet pulsar]

It's not a login system BTW

U can get that right now

[thorn oak]

I know

I need to kill another coda anyways to prepare for the coda bubonico whenever that happens

[velvet pulsar]

March

[thorn oak]

That gun is going to be super good i bet

[velvet pulsar]

Definitely

[thorn oak]

the bubonico as it is, is a super good weapon

[velvet pulsar]

It's gonna be among my all rounders, if I don't wanna take rauta or tenet glaxion, then that's what I'm gonna take.

[thorn oak]

Only thing I cant stand is the ammo on it

I am thinking I will buy a riven before march because I do plan on using it a lot

Maybe not buy a riven I think the disposition is bad

[velvet pulsar]

It's possible that it'll get a magazine cap boost on coda version

[thorn oak]

That would definately be nice

[velvet pulsar]

I have a reload speed riven and it does make a difference

RS
MS
TOXIN
-puncture

[thorn oak]

Yea I think a reload speed riven would definately be a game changer for it, because then the disposition doesnt matter as much

since it already needs reload speed in my opinion and with a riven you just get added bonuses

[velvet pulsar]

Even a small multishot bonus on shotguns makes a big difference

[midnight horizon]

cata is reliable, but the need of 2 augur mods is relevant (in my experience)

[fierce lark]

you only need 1

and it can be on your secondary or companion secondary

[midnight horizon]

and since i dont have blind rage, i can spam 2 in most cases

[midnight horizon]

i mean, yeah but i do get uncomfortable if i dont get the required amount per se

[velvet pulsar]

Catalysing Shields doesn't have "required amount"

[fierce lark]

cat shields is bugged, any amount of shield triggers the max shield gate of 1.33s

[midnight horizon]

huh

[velvet pulsar]

It isn't working as it says

It's in our favor.

[fierce lark]

it's been like this for as long as i can remember, and at this point i dont see it ever getting fixed

[midnight horizon]

guess spoamming 1 and 2 (since they have little energy costs) was the right thing hahahahahah

[velvet pulsar]

It's not like you're using Photon Repeater anyway.

[midnight horizon]

yeah hahaha

[thorn oak]

AST youre the one that said U had a crit laetum right?

[fierce lark]

i have one

enervate/outburst

[thorn oak]

So crit laetum is better when its built up but non crit is better generally

im gonna try both and just see

[fierce lark]

crit is better if you can keep it stacked (which should happen automatically through gameplay)

crit also avoids conflicts with crit-based buffs and frames

[thorn oak]

also how much does the 2000% benefit if you were to put something like hornet strike on

[fierce lark]

a lot, it’s multiplicative

[thorn oak]

okay so hornet strike is good to have then

[fierce lark]

for non crit yes

devouring void 2000% is multiplicative, overwhelming void 1200% is additive

[thorn oak]

another question, im building non crit for cascadia flare, does neutron star on nova give me cascadia flare

since it lets null star do heat damage

[fierce lark]

yes

[thorn oak]

or is it specific to the weapon

[fierce lark]

any source of heat you deal will stack flare on your secondary

[thorn oak]

Okay so i wont have to deal with building the noncrit laetum up as much

Im building a nova for regular use which ill use a non crit laetum with, and then Repeliant showed me his nova crit build so im gonna do both

non crit laetum normal nova build (antimatter drop), crit nova with hot shot and neutron star along with crit laetum

[midnight horizon]

comclusion, no subsume vauban still makes me survive and very active

the damage it did is soooo strong

[thorn oak]

But I do think the crit nova will synergize better since orange archon shards will build up secondary crit chance so thats probably what ill be going with

[midnight horizon]

melted an acolyte with ease hahahhhahah

[fierce lark]

doesn’t he get like 623983 armor from sitting in his bastille

[thorn oak]

dude i gotta write this stuff down im so tired im just thinking things

[midnight horizon]

yes thats my survival strat now, place a lot of bastille around the area with lots of enemy

[thorn oak]

in my eyes I believe I can make the laetum absolutely stupid with nova and orange archon shards

[midnight horizon]

if u can, u can, warframe has no limits

[thorn oak]

wait im an idiot you ran enervate for u crit laetum which relies on no crit chance

[midnight horizon]

thats the beauty of warframe

[thorn oak]

ill have to find a way around that or use a different secondary

im losing my mind ignore everything im saying

[midnight horizon]

in my months of seeing laetum secondaries, they use fortifier or merciless as a "comfy" build

not me, they do it

[fierce lark]

im asking my laetum expert for confirmation but yeah, you need to be able to have low enough crit chance at some point to keep the overwhelming buff active, so i think hotshot and crit shards might not be ideal

[thorn oak]

Yea thats what I concluded so I need a different secondary

[fierce lark]

it’s also possible they’re fine though, im not sure

and you don’t have to run enervate, if you have external crit chance you can run fortifier instead

[thorn oak]

I will need to look at high crit damage secondaries, the epitaph I was hitting 32 million with so that might be the move it just sucks because thats a headshot focused build

[midnight horizon]

Yeah see? Fortifier hagagah

[coral crest]

Kind of a waste because Helminth exists

[midnight horizon]

The repeated suggestions are Fortifier and Merciless

[thorn oak]

I was gonna run cascadia flare since ill be doing a lot of heat procs

[midnight horizon]

Flare would be better

[fierce lark]

flare is garbage on overwhelming

[midnight horizon]

Oh

[thorn oak]

Im doing devouring

[midnight horizon]

Wait explain that ON Mesa Terms

[thorn oak]

for non crit then

[fierce lark]

the 1200% damage from the evo is base damage, and is additive to other base damage sources

if you do devouring you cannot run hotshot or shards or any similar crit buffs

[thorn oak]

Ok im back where i started, devouring, cascadia flare, neutron star, let go of hotshot for something that doesnt use the laetum

[oblique spear]

It's more for build flexibility, and freedom of choice. We have the base frames for a long time before a prime of it is dropped, and some people might not want to helminth it and start all over again with the prime.

[thorn oak]

I am gonna try that ill probably go crit though in the future cuz crit nova is very fun

[coral crest]

Hmmm, fair point

[fierce lark]

who says they have to? they could simply choose to sell back the prime after ranking it

[thorn oak]

I personally will not forma a non prime warframe

[oblique spear]

If you choose to upgrade the base into a prime, you still need to re-level it for its mastery

[fierce lark]

everything is always getting leveled for mastery, the choice is if you want to have the benefits that come with having a prime frame at the cost of re-building it (usually with less forma because primes coke with more polarities) and gaining your frame’s helminth ability

i think choosing the prime is almost always the sane option

some primes even have necessary stats to make builds work

[thorn oak]

Ive went from volt to mag, mag to gara, gara to revenant, revenant to mirage, mirage to nova, i think my next step is nova to zephyr

I have so many prime warframes that I have not used, only leveled up

I actually dont think I will ever get over nova

[untold tapir]

Hey it works great now

Im building titania next

[naive pebble]

anyone got some improvement suggestions? idk if i built this correctly lol
riven: +49.5 multishot
+50.6 cold
+82.1 crit chance
x0.8 damage to corpus
fire rate and ammo economy: gauss with energized munitions

[vast leaf]

Hello Teno, quick question.

I have been building Lavos with power strength but I see almost every build doesn't go strength... What am I missing?

[midnight horizon]

He needs Durstion with a bit of that "range"

Balance it out from Range Strength and duration

Strength isn't just the one that makes him powerful, it's the durstion and how big do you want his effects to scatter

Other than that, @coral crest can help you more on the deeper details of Lavos

[velvet sundial]

How can I make my vauban not die in steel path

[midnight horizon]

There are a lot of ways

Everyone (mostly) might think Vauban is an AFK frame but he actually not as he is a very active Frame

1 is shield gating
With Brief Respite (or Augur Mods) and Catalysing Shield, his shield Will keep refilling as Vauban is a Spammy Frame

2 the use of Omamori
More of a lazy build, with Catalysing Shield and Arcane Aegis, it's enough to make it able mka him comfortable to use

3 priorities his ability of being a CC KING
Vauban is by far one of the, if not, THE best Crowd Control Frame in the game. His kit is solely for crowd control... And Crowd Control is one of the good ways of Survivability. Prioritize his 4 (Bastille) to give you more Armor and use either Arcane Circumvent and Arcane Aegis. Again he is a spammy frame so he would have his shield kept on going

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[midnight horizon]

As the one who uses Vauban a lot, I highly recommend don't go negative Efficiency

Even if Vauban with any other means of energy sustain, I highly recommend not to go negative Efficiency

[old marsh]

u never should. Vauban was always spammy

[velvet sundial]

Thank you so much that’s prolly the best explanation I’ve gotten from anyone

[midnight horizon]

Ay I'm proud Vauban main, happy to help

[velvet sundial]

I’ve always wanted to be a vauban main and I think he has one of the coolest designs

[midnight horizon]

Youre the first one I heard wanted to be a Vaub main

[rich grove]

just curious but does Faster Casting help with Vauban's kit?

[midnight horizon]

Hahaha he is very underrsted (in a sense of the popular "Meta" frames all around the game)

[old marsh]

VERY

[midnight horizon]

Very, it very much helps

Again he is spammy

[velvet sundial]

Ive wanted to for a long time but couldn’t figure out what I was doing until now somewhat

[old marsh]

Have atleast 1 casting speed shard

[midnight horizon]

One tau yellow shard or natural talents (if you don't have a shard yet) will be a very big help

[rich grove]

Well then I can finally use Yellow shards.

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-20538192

[midnight horizon]

If you have more questions about Vauban then ask more, aside from me, there are a lot of people who use Vauban in different ways. I can give you the knowledge I have and they can share what they learn and it's your turn to figure out the rest

[velvet sundial]

🫡

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-rudd-gif-20811199

[midnight horizon]

Me, someone is asking about Lavos earlier and I can't seem to find someone who is as good as you at Lavos.

And sorry for the ping

[rich grove]

self exploration feels very nice.

[coral crest]

No I'm actually ok with that and I'm flattered and yeah sure I can help if anyone needs it

[midnight horizon]

That's what I always do, I ask for suggestions and explore the rest from any other variations

[midnight horizon]

Yee your welcome

[rich grove]

but asking for tips help reduce the failure rates.

[velvet sundial]

I usually play frost because of his overguard but I wanna try to move off of him a little bit and vauban is just someone I’ve been eyeing for years but took a long break

[midnight horizon]

Yup, it's the reason why I ask help, especially if they have experience and give proper information

[rich grove]

you got Arcanes yet?

[midnight horizon]

Hahaha I've been using Vauban since after my first frame Volt

[velvet sundial]

A couple but I can buy them

[midnight horizon]

That was 7 months ago.... Damn it's been a while....

(and don't you dare attack me Tenno Uncs.... hahahah)

[velvet sundial]

When I first played I was using this game as a collectors game I never really played I bout new primes leveled them up and stopped playing until recently I wanted to make build and just unlocked steel path

[rich grove]

If you like overguard. there is an arcane that is for your secondary weapon that give OG

[midnight horizon]

Sec Fortifier and Arcane Circumvent

[velvet sundial]

Ya I have that but it doesn’t really help me

[midnight horizon]

Well just follow those tips I gave about Vauban

[velvet sundial]

🫡 yes my captain oh captain

[rich grove]

@midnight horizon btw you liking the Vauban Heirloom?

[midnight horizon]

Oh and Shield gating (either Lazy one or Active) is very much helpful for most frames

[midnight horizon]

This is my only answer to you muehehe

[coral crest]

I like using recharge delay on Vauban because cc frames get hit much less often, and hence have time to recharge :3

[midnight horizon]

But yeah the Vauban Heirloom is very beautiful out side from all of his skin

[midnight horizon]

XDD Fast Deflection and Vigilante Vigor? Hahaha

The Cata Aegis is now the one I am using wither with Omamori or not

And that's true, CC frames doesn't get hit that much in most part

[velvet sundial]

I’m at my day 400 milestone should I get prime fury, shred or sure footed?

[rich grove]

can't go wrong with a staple that worked for a long time.

[rich grove]

are they all prime mods?

[velvet sundial]

Yes

[midnight horizon]

Hahaha I call that Gauss Shield

[rich grove]

to what to pick... just decided on how you play.

[coral crest]

Fury is not really relevant, shred is irreplaceable in a lot of ways. Primed sure footed is situational and gives knockdown immunity.

Do remember that status immunity includes knockdown immunity

So if you're playing frames with status immunity and/or focus more on your guns

[rich grove]

aka overguard

[coral crest]

Shred is better

But if you do have knockdown troubles

Can't go wrong with PSF

[rich grove]

sorry but what does PSF mean?

[coral crest]

Primed Sure Footed

[rich grove]

oh

[velvet sundial]

I went with prime sure footed I do get knocked down a lot whenever I use someone that’s not frost😂

[coral crest]

Like a lot of people hate it here

But it legitemately has good niches and is generally a good QoL mod

Just don't put it on overguard and status immune/knockdown resistant frames

[midnight horizon]

Psf is very important but with Vauban lately? From how I am being active? No Knockdown problem for me

[midnight horizon]

I just realized, Lavos and Overguard Frames are very much Immune to Status and Knockback

Lavos is goated for standing still from a blast or heat wave hahahah

[velvet sundial]

Would it be better for aegis or circumvent on vauban or both

[coral crest]

Oh there's a bunch of frames that don't need overguard

[midnight horizon]

I would prefer Aegis as it's my preference, but Circumvent is an option bc you roll and steal overguard, shield and armor

[coral crest]

Garuda, Voruna, Lavos, Valkyr, Atlas

Qorvex

[midnight horizon]

Chernobyl????? How?

[vast leaf]

Ey nuclear yeah I'm interested in finding out how to actually mod Lavos because some say power strength is a must same say not at all and that you can go negative power strength, and and that just leaves me confused

[coral crest]

Uhh... The entire point of his 3 is to give full status immunity on charges?...

[crystal osprey]

What weapon is the best for harrow? I'm thinking of using the basic nukor right now until i unlock some of the higher mr weapons (i'm mr 5 right now)

[midnight horizon]

Oh fair nuff

[midnight horizon]

@coral crest youll get pinged again hahahaha

[coral crest]

Yeah he doesn't really need strength unless you want to lobotomize him

[velvet sundial]

Is it possible for me to see ur build?

[midnight horizon]

Let me find it

[coral crest]

Lavos' ability dmg(only 4 in his kit is the actual damaging ability) scales using viral procs and the amount of statuses on an enemy

[coral crest]

And Valence Formation doesn't scale with str

It's fixed 200% and the buff is affected by duration

The only way you may need STR on Lavos is if you want to replace an ability with Roar and go full platform and out of rehab

In any other case, precision intensify even on negative str is enough

Or triumbral ig

[midnight horizon]

This is my current build (remove Fast Deflection for Intensity if you don't use Omamori and your good)

[vast leaf]

Ah so I can remove that 1 umbral forma from him because I'm using the argon vitality for the extra fire proc... Or is that fire not really worth it

[coral crest]

It is worth it if you want easier kills on 4

He's very easy to enable persistence on if you want to

Technically you don't need anything more than a single armor shard and a vitality mod

Triumbral is also plenty enough if you want to go that way instead of archon vitality

[vast leaf]

I'm running him with persistence and the cold arcane that gives extra power strong... But I assume I can drop that arcane then

[coral crest]

Nah it's fine

I'd recommend Arcane Impetus though

It's a bit more difficult to start off but you'll gain extra efficiency

Do NOT tank efficiency on him if you aren't trying to platform only

[vast leaf]

Yeah I have archon vitality for the fire proc and archon continue to proc corrosive on poison

[coral crest]

Because negative efficiency drastically reduces his ability to reduce cooldowns with 1 augment and 3

Impetus adds some extra efficiency as well if you run it

[vast leaf]

I don't think I have impetus... I for a very long time only ran armour and crit, so didn't care about the other arcanes

[coral crest]

Impetus is constantly dropping in 1999

You should have it eventually, also bought from Eleanor

[vast leaf]

I'll get impetus I was running with the ice because I was already running cold in my primary... I have an extra goal now.. Thank you 🙂

[woven lynx]

should I change here something? I want to go for the most optimal build as possible? Can do subsumes too if needed

[karmic prism]

is this ok for burston inc

[severe bough]

Drop thermite rounds for vital sense

[karmic prism]

yea i gotta forma once more for that. same polarity for shred i guess

[karmic badger]

Neither

[hexed coyote]

Shut up, enemy of joy and whimsy

[karmic badger]

You're using a riven

[severe bough]

Looks alr tho idk if he got any invul/death gate with the rework tho i would replace smth with cat shield UNLESS u play with any invisi pet

[karmic badger]

It's neither joyful nor whimsy

[woven lynx]

what invis pet do tho

[severe bough]

Invisibility

Smth like shade huras

[night laurel]

trying to get the H-09 Apex, should i bring Dante?

is Nataruk a good idea...?

[near crater]

I don't see why not

But does primary acuity go well with Rifle Cannonade? I'm making a headshot focus Grinlok

My build as of now

Yes I would have to remove shred in that case.

Or keep it simply for the punch through

[night laurel]

if you're comfortable with the fire rate, i feel like it does

[near crater]

I'm in simulacrum. Doesn't feel too odd with the base fire rate

But...

Hang on

I'm going insane

[waxen spire]

Can someone share Nautilus Prime and Verglas Prime builds please

[summer sleet]

Chat which violet archon shard bonus is best for an exalted blade build: +10% Ability Damage on enemies affected by electricity Status

Or

Gain +25% Melee critical damage. When max energy is over 500, the damage boost doubles.

[velvet pulsar]

If you're asking about melee exalteds, first one doesn't affect them

[narrow granite]

@copper swan keepin it in right zone... ugh this is mi talons

[edgy lake]

What shard do i use for titania and what do i pick out of the options in the shard?

[clear inlet]

Which one is better for tenet flux rifle?

It has 20% crit and 26% status chance

[midnight horizon]

The other, cold and Toxin

It's auto viral there

[midnight horizon]

What's this about?

[near crater]

The damage

[midnight horizon]

What about the damage, I don't see anything wrong with it

[fierce lark]

left is much better if you have primed cryo

[compact cypress]

?

[fierce lark]

wouldn’t use narrow minded personally

[compact cypress]

what should get slapped on instead?

i dont mind the less range personally considering its around 30m or so with the motes

[fierce lark]

i actually use breach surge, if you don’t then it might not matter as much

archon stretch is free energy

[compact cypress]

id use it but still tryna get that thang maxed out rn

[compact cypress]

i could prob just put on constitution/augur message but ima keep narrow minded for a bit

is doing a bellicose build without energy conversion still good?

[fierce lark]

i don't think so, you'd need over 700% ability strength to hit a high enough hp with vitality mote for it to match molt augmented

[compact cypress]

so im just going to ignore them super strength wisp builds for now lol

what i will do is make cataclysmic gate build

[compact cypress]

heres a cataclysmic gate build but im not able to squeeze adaptaion in which i assume will be a problem considering i wanna subsume over wil o wisp

[fierce lark]

not sure what level you’re trying to go to but you can live for awhile off of sheer regen

i don’t think sol gate can crit ever, outside of enemies with flat crit spots, and even then gate im pretty sure is hard coded at 0 crit cause it doesn’t work with flat buffs

[winged nebula]

name One prime Warframe that without subsume it tanks all the way top SP and kills with its abilities or exalted not using weapons and no Helmith ,no Shards

[night oxide]

Octavia.

Can just go invis, and mallet can nuke everything.

[winged nebula]

i see thats a frame i yet to use

[fierce lark]

gauss

[velvet pulsar]

Octavia, Hildryn, Sevagoth, Valkyr.

[fierce lark]

i mean if we’re just talking non-endurance sp probably most frames that have damaging abilities lol

[maiden oracle]

-# I WANTED TO SAY GAUSS BUT I WASN'T SURE

[velvet pulsar]

I did no mistake.

[winged nebula]

lemme add condition thats new account so it should be available at mr4-5 something and prime so i can smurf

[velvet pulsar]

That was the time I got Octavia Prime

[fierce lark]

ash, oberon, hydroid, ember, temple, mesa (or just literally every exalted weapon frame)

[velvet pulsar]

So I've playtested Octavia at that low MR

She was my first prime.

[fierce lark]

why in gods name would you want to smurf on warframe

[winged nebula]

to speedrun test how it would go

or to play in mobile

when i am working

[fierce lark]

oh for a speedrun probably dante, depending on the level of content

[velvet pulsar]

Hildryn will go good even at low MR

[velvet pulsar]

Prime