builds-discussion

[mortal canyon]

orvius is same build as glaive prime ?

[deep grotto]

Valk and Umbra have Paralysis and Radial Blind

[rigid dirge]

New to rivens and don't have a Buzlok yet so I don't know if say the mag reduction kills it for example

[drowsy herald]

Thanks I'm gonna keep that in mind

[quiet laurel]

bad weapon bad stats

[rigid dirge]

Is it bad stats all around or is mag reduction just bad to get?

[quiet laurel]

• impact can be treated as a negative basically

[rigid dirge]

Isn't it just more damage?

[quiet laurel]

messes with weighting

IPS is a fraction of your damage, not a big dmg increase

[rigid dirge]

Oh you mean that it basically takes the slot of something that could have a ridiculously bigger impact on my damage and thus is a negative overall?

[velvet pulsar]

the last good one

[quiet laurel]

+impact means impact has a higher chance to be procced when a status proc is rolled which is bad

[velvet pulsar]

I just checked Roathe's simulacrum, another one of those frauds which false advertise to be 25 levels above MR specific

[quiet laurel]

imagine you could be proccing corrosive or viral but you proc impact instead cause the chances favor impact more than corrosive/viral

[fervent rapids]

yeah with Rivens you really get into stuff like Status Weighting

[rigid dirge]

Right

[fervent rapids]

moreso than you do with normal mods

[short quest]

im struggling so hard between these two choices 🥲 is the -damage to corpus bad enough for me to take left?

[rigid dirge]

Would that mean that it'd be better to go for like pure corrosive or viral for example rather than stacking multiple status combos on or does that basically only matter when the status is as bad as something like impact?

[short quest]

spent like 150k+ kuva on this lol

[quiet laurel]

its just that impact is not worth investing in, you'd have to get some really great rolls on the most wanted stats like multishot and crit damage for + impact to be acceptable

[rigid dirge]

Fair

[quiet laurel]

left but idk if its really slottable cause of trumnas bad dispo

[old marsh]

if u have spent so much u should know which one to pick

[rigid dirge]

Also how good is this one?

I know iirc that rad is generally pretty bad

[quiet laurel]

you could maybe argue over vital sense cause of the extra multishot but idk whether thats actually worth

[old marsh]

viral heat is what u want. so keep rolling

[quiet laurel]

tbf primaries can also go all in on elec cause of purple shards

[rigid dirge]

Like Toxic Cold and Heat in one riven?

Or like Toxic and Cold and then an outside source of Heat?

[quiet laurel]

riven elemental combinations go from bottom to top so this would have to be a heat combination + elec which is not great

[old marsh]

i have this riven. u can even go pure heat IF you have extra viral from nourish. otherwise try to make viral heat.

[quiet laurel]

thats is such a good riven with such an unfortunate negative

[old marsh]

ye. but i only use Dera in EDA/ETA. personally not a fan

[proud anchor]

It might not be that bad because of primary debilitate

Its kind of like secondary encumber but for primaries

[old marsh]

i would even get rid of PT but CD+SC is really nice

because of this evo

[quiet laurel]

but better

[willow otter]

The former is way better,but Trumna has such a low Dispo that makes it not really worth

[quiet laurel]

debilitate is basically toxic lash on crack

[mortal canyon]

I think i did it, bubonico area attack works with this (u need to remove armor tho, couldn't get corrosive)

[fervent rapids]

why the radiation

[mortal canyon]

'cause i wanted a bigger mag

and that mod gives mag + radiation dmg

54 mag

[fervent rapids]

just use a mag size mod for that, no need to shift your status weighting

[mortal canyon]

It's 20% less for +60 dmg (rad dmg)

or its sa bad idea ?

[fervent rapids]

Radiation is a pretty meh damage type all things considered, and its status effect is not great either

having that mod there will just make it less likely for your other damage types' status effects to proc

[mortal canyon]

but if i get 10 stacks it get the proc of the arcane

or still ño ?

me wanted corrosive, but i moved mods all arround the place and nothing

[fervent rapids]

yes, but you already have Gas and Electricity, so you're not getting new damage types from Rad Debilitate

[ember hornet]

someone here playing nova with okina? I need some advice x.x

[fervent rapids]

Mods prioritize combining with other mods over combining with the weapon's innate damage type

[mortal canyon]

innate of the weapon is nuting

[fervent rapids]

then it's the placement of your mods

how elemental damage mods combine is based on where they're placed

[mortal canyon]

yes, but i can't move electric :c

[fervent rapids]

Actions -> Swap Polarity

[mortal canyon]

'cause somebodyyyyyyyy placed the forma there

[fervent rapids]

lets you move existing polarities between slots

[mortal canyon]

u think i'm rich

[fervent rapids]

Not Polarize

[ember hornet]

it has no forma cost

[mortal canyon]

wut

[fervent rapids]

Swap Polarity is free after Polarization

[fervent rapids]

@mortal canyon

[proud anchor]

You need to polarize once to swap polarity slots

[ember hornet]

you are just switching places around

[proud anchor]

Yea the actual act of swapping polarity slots around is free

[mortal canyon]

😮

https://tenor.com/view/technologiaaa-meme-arab-gif-943247736730314355

[proud anchor]

I found that out the hard way years ago lol

[fervent rapids]

Polarizing adds or changes the existing Polarities.
Swap moves them

[mortal canyon]

well, i can't say i have 10 hours in the game to excuse myself tho

🤣

thanks ❤️

damn it works even better now with corrosive

[ember hornet]

soooo someone knows about how novas abilities work with melee weapons? i see the okina nuke build everywhere but it does not work on my end. testing for hours don't know whats wrong tho.

[tall plume]

Is this a good build for Mesa (for my mr rank at least)

[mortal canyon]

peeps, for a primer secondary (i think it was called that the secondary that just spams status on enemies) epitaph or the book ? (i dislike kuva weapons 'cause me lazy to farm them)

[fathom sky]

Epitaph. Grimoire is more for buffing other parts of your kit rather than priming

[mortal canyon]

epi needs to be spammed or how it works ?

'cause the book is just middle click and u forget about it

[fathom sky]

You just spam the uncharged shot, and if you really need multiple stacks, for Grimoire you'd still use the primary fire

[mortal canyon]

with that i get that many per mob (some may have less some more depending RNG of the hits)

i tihnk it's decent

no basics

[hexed lodge]

Are you looking for aoe priming or single target?

[mortal canyon]

well that is a great question

why not both

[fathom sky]

Because the single target ones are better at single target

[mortal canyon]

i guess AoE is epit and single is the* book

but the book has mana

[fathom sky]

The book is awful as a single target primer. You'd want something like Kuva Nukor or Kuva Seer

[mortal canyon]

really ?

[hexed lodge]

fair.
If it's AoE, then yeah epitaph.
For single target (or grouping) Kompressa goes wild

[fathom sky]

A primer needs to actually have different status effects to, you know, prime with

Grimoire only gets Elec naturally + modded

[mortal canyon]

#builds-discussion message refeer to the last parenthesis xD

[mortal canyon]

for grouping i have my nauti

[fathom sky]

There just aren't that amazing single target primers outside of that besides the aforementioned Kompressa

[hexed lodge]

Nauti + manifold?

[mortal canyon]

i have that, but to be fair, idk what i'm doing

idk if bond is that good(duplex)

[hexed lodge]

You can use Manifold for priming instead, altho a bit incosistent

[zealous rapids]

For aoe priming I use hound

[hexed lodge]

Duplex bond is good if you have a warframe that boosts your allies dmg, aka, the duplex clones

[low veldt]

guys is this riv good(for now to use)

[mortal canyon]

me no likes doggos

[low veldt]

and need a good hate build

[mortal canyon]

so the answer was no, sad. i'll swap it for mani then

[zealous rapids]

That just a robot

Other than hound there is also diriga, but I never used it for priming

[mortal canyon]

i got too used to the nauti's pull

it's confy

Annoying when u testing weapons tho 🤣

[zealous rapids]

Does cordon trigger that mod to apply status?

[low veldt]

[zealous rapids]

Forgot the mod name, "precept mod apply statuses of equipped companion weapon"

[mortal canyon]

for manifold to work i need the companion to attack enemies ?

[zealous rapids]

Imagine if you could put arcanes on sentinel weapon, verglas with debilitate

[nimble rune]

Whats the meta nidus build for arena endo farms?

[hexed lodge]

The companion abilities are the ones priming, the companion weapon is just what Manifold sees to know which statuses to apply.

well, the companions mods with the l• polarity to be specific

[mortal canyon]

and what can i add to my nauti so he doesn't die

that much

he mainly explodes from eximus attacks

[blissful ocean]

Anyone got Lorak builds?

[mortal canyon]

even tho he has shield gate thingy

[foggy patrol]

Just watch a guide of it every single robotic pet body almost uses same stuff

You need to interlock some mods

[lethal vine]

Does a ghoulsaw riven have any value?

[hexed lodge]

That is a very broad question depending on your warframe and type of content 💀
Obviously regen for fast recovery, some benefit from armor (synth fiber), some from health orbs (restorative bond), some from endgame content (momentous bond) etc

[foggy patrol]

Nobody is putting synthfiber on anything lil bro

[hexed lodge]

it's a flat 2x bonus to the current armor of the companion...

[foggy patrol]

Doesn't apply to shield

[hexed lodge]

what if, and this may be a shocker, what if... i want to tank

[foggy patrol]

Sure do it and suggest players after you try it

[hexed lodge]

not everything is cascade/eta...
tanking is fine, i don't always want to pay attention to my shields when just want to chill for a bit

[mortal canyon]

that's my secret, i never pay attention to my shields

i don't need to

but ye, synthfiber seems bad

its just 12 secs

[hexed lodge]

lol which wf you use?

[mortal canyon]

volt and frost

[trim hill]

I run Synth Fiber

[foggy patrol]

Ofcourse you do along with avalanche as main source of damage in frost

Goodsport

[foggy patrol]

Deathcub 💔

@forest pivot dethcub primo

[trim hill]

Been slotted and locked in for like a year now, lol

[forest pivot]

Ew clanker alert

[mortal canyon]

ño, they are usually frozen so no dmg

[forest pivot]

Who uses robotic pets these days

[trim hill]

I run Verglas on im

[foggy patrol]

These guys are legit trying to make health tank robotics

It's like reinventing the wheel

[forest pivot]

Interesting

[mortal canyon]

me dislikes doggos, they die too much

[foggy patrol]

My doggo has 0 survival skills and never die know why?

[mortal canyon]

he never lives ?

he never gets picked

[foggy patrol]

Cuz it kills anything that touches him

[trim hill]

My builds just work. I'm not gonna sell em to ya, just let you in on em

[foggy patrol]

Lolz

[hexed lodge]

@trim hill pls correct me if i'm wrong, but does frost's passive augment helps companions or just Frost himself?

[mortal canyon]

the overguard ? yes

[trim hill]

It only helps Frost, iirc

The crit

[hexed lodge]

sorry, the crit buff

[mortal canyon]

oh crit no

[hexed lodge]

ah tyty

[mortal canyon]

the +ice dmg from 1 yes

[trim hill]

But I'm not the Frost player here. You have to ask onyx

I just throw ice at things till it stops moving

[foggy patrol]

I'll try to be respectful and understandable as possible you guys are currently in wide part of warframe bell curve after a certain point survival means killing stuff before they can do anything to you

So you are just wasting possible dps by using those subpar survival mods

[mortal canyon]

that's my secret

they always hit me

[trim hill]

I'm usually not staying more than an hour in any mission. I don't have the time for that anymore

[mortal canyon]

1 hour mission, ew

[hexed lodge]

I don't care about kpm or highest dps number, as long as the mission is successful and I have fun, that's all that matters...
don't have to diminish other player's playstyles

[mortal canyon]

max 30 min xD

[trim hill]

Health tanking has worked for me for a long time. I don't plan on changing that even if they nerf it to the ground

I'll health tank on Limbo, idc

[mortal canyon]

doesn't limbo avoid dmg .-.

damn i wrote limbo 2 times 🤢

[hexed lodge]

lmao respect
healthtanking is still fine for 95% of the content tbh

[trim hill]

Energy tank Limbo doesn't care if he can roll and avoid getting hit

Aura farm for 4 seconds and then die

[mighty flare]

yes, you run the subsume silence and never get hit

[hexed lodge]

i said it with zephyr and i'll say it again with limbo... you don't need silence on them if you use the wasd keys

[mortal canyon]

laughs in volt

who needs arrow keys

i will tickle enemies into eternity with my ult

but i won't die (unlesssss)

https://tenor.com/view/seal-with-sunglasses-seal-sunglasses-sunglasses-seal-sunglasses-hiyori-gif-15369739939210703447

[lethal vine]

Is a ghoulsaw riven worth anything?

[mortal canyon]

#trading try there

I didn't find it on wf market (zaw rivens cost 2, not sure if the ghoul one it's the same)

[undone dust]

the ghoulsaw and zaws are two different weapon types completely

[mortal canyon]

it's funny when 1 tick 1 shots you

[near vortex]

The WASD keys and Secondary Fortifier and Circumvent
Silence kinda bait

[near vortex]

the ghoulzaw

[mighty flare]

many buttons versus 1 button
hmmm

[near vortex]

circumvent is one button

https://tenor.com/view/dio-limbo-warframe-animation-gif-14652214

[mighty flare]

noticing how theres more than just circumvent

[near vortex]

It could literally just be circumvent

circumvent solves so much

All three of those work without each other but most Limbo builds will probably have all three

[valid cargo]

Why equinox feels so strange to play?

[mighty flare]

silence is something you have to turn on every +1min, its very good for limbo
circumvent is a bit bwuhhh

[valid cargo]

I want limbo prime because he looks like a señor

[near vortex]

Did I mention that subsuming anything onto Limbo instantly makes him require more inputs or energy on his other abilities while also taking away a key piece of his kit

So subsuming Silence doesn't actually make life easier, meanwhile Circumvent you roll twice and suddenly Eximus no longer can use ability

You're rolling a lot on Limbo regardless, might as well use it to solve Eximus abilities too rather than dropping 1 or 4

Also
Limbo doesn't index high duration unless on a defense mission so silence will last 30-45 seconds or so

If Stasis wasn't an ability with a duration I'd even consider negative duration

Make stasis a channel DE PLEASE

[silk tinsel]

How to achieve the maximum Gauss speed? mods, crystals, or something else?

[hexed lodge]

Most eximus abilities can be telegraphed, if you use silence solely for eximus, you're removing an ability because of, dare I say...
||skill issue||

[hexed lodge]

How so?

[near vortex]

<@&778745217037238293> scammer

[near vortex]

Most true thing I think I've ever read on the discord

[valid cargo]

It feels like im missing something

[valid cargo]

Who?

[near vortex]

Looks like mods took care of it, message is gone.

Someone posted the Elon grok thing

[white lion]

Can I see y’all’s insane Saryn builds

[valid cargo]

I dont even know how to use saryn

I may need the kuva sobek

[near vortex]

Roar over 4 high strength high duration

Kuva Sobek Acid Shells, Dual Ichor Incarnon

[valid cargo]

Does anyone have a strong rhino prime build?

[smoky turret]

simple i know but i wanna see what the fun is about, i need a sevagoth build if anyone has one

[fresh willow]

Hey guys, I'm just hitting level 60 stuff and it feels like the Soma I've been using is underpowered. Does anyone have any suggestions on weapons to start looking to build or swap to? I'm MR 9 rn but will be 10 soon, so anything 10 or under would be doable without weeks of waiting

[hexed lodge]

Helminthless or roar (on 3 or 4)?

[mighty breach]

can i send my mod build here and ask for help?

[fierce lark]

have you done the new war?

[fierce lark]

that is what the channel is for

[mighty breach]

okay well here is titania prime atm thx

[fresh willow]

yeah, i think i started lotus eaters and so thats where the high level quests are coming from - theyre all on deimos except for a kuva lich I accidentally started...

[fierce lark]

what weapon & progenitor element does the lich have? and the nataruk is very strong, will easily destroy base star chart and easily carry through steel path with galvanized mods & an arcane

[fresh willow]

weapon is a kuva shidelg, weak to corrosive, resists magnetic + fire, immune to cold

And for the nataruk should I be good just adding standard damage, crit damage, crit chance etc mods on it and then just tailoring the mods to each mission?

oh also progenitor is volt, forgot that part

[fierce lark]

this should function fine as a starter build. if you have an external source of fire rate (reinforced bond companion/warframe ability) you can swap out speed trigger for an appropriate bane mod

cryo rounds is there because of the polarity, if you have rime rounds you should use that instead

i'll just repost the pic with rime

[fresh willow]

Okay, thank you! I'll aim for that

[fierce lark]

once you have better mods and arcanes you can build into something like this

longbow sharpshot is very expensive, and while good is not super necessary, you can run deadhead instead, max rank is only ~20p. no viral on this one because it should be able to kill anything in 1 charged/perfect headshot

again if you have external fire rate you can run bane instead of shred, but really it's probably not going to make a difference, once galv mods are stacked everything you shoot should die

galv scope is flexible for w/e you want if you don't like aiming, i personally enjoy seeing perma red crits

[fierce lark]

this is pretty strong (because there's a lot of strength haha)

the existence of any range at all is to give teammates an extremely large roar & nourish buff. running a max energy shard so i can drop pflow and still cast stomp, 1 cast speed 3 duration.

some of it is kinda memes, amar's hatred is there because it gives strength and matches the polarity (giving heavy attacks 10m range is surprisingly very useful). if you just care about buffing yourself, you can drop it for narrow minded, drop stretch for primed flow and run 4 strength/duration (or w/e shards you want) instead

you can also run things like primed redirection, health conversion and ironclad charge with parasitic armor over 4 to get extremely high amounts of overguard from 2. not my preference, but it's a thing you can do

(please do not run primed sure footed on rhino)

[trim forge]

What is it you're aiming to do? Are you running out of energy?

[valid cargo]

No way i just one shot my first acolyte

[trim forge]

nice one! Which one was it?

[fierce lark]

you subsume roar over 4, you either build for high range and play around spores, or you build negative range high strength/duration and play purely around your gun, either way you're playing the strongest weapons platform in the game, hold 1 press 3 press 4 and shoot things, press 1 if you're playing with range, everything on the map gets stripped and dies slowly

[mighty breach]

actually no

just feel my dmg isn't doing enough atm

and i'm just trying to make it overall good rlly

[trim forge]

how have you modded your exalted weapons?

[abstract bison]

here's my parasitic armor rhino build that can aoe prime with 10 stacks of viral

is it the best? prolly not

is it fun? yeah

oh and the shards is just strength and armor, have fun!

[mighty breach]

not much tbh

[fierce lark]

wouldn't max shield be better than max armor from the blue shards?

parasitic armor has strength scaling right, so you get more armor from shield shards than armor shards

[trim forge]

Also wouldn't more health be beneficial somewhere too?

[fierce lark]

nah, the idea is you use parasitic armor to get a very large overguard from iron skin

[trim forge]

Might wanna look into that, that's gonna be a really easy way to improve the damage of a Titania razorwing build

[fierce lark]

the health pool isn't relevant

[abstract bison]

it's like this weird synergy mix between base armor rating on iron skin and then the subsume, in the end they all work hand in hand togetha

[trim forge]

I had no idea that Iron Skin scaled with armor, TIL

[abstract bison]

on this build it's just a measly 50k overguard with ironskin if all optimal conditions are met which isn't alot but you can just keep refreshing that by stomping and you get viral aoe to boot

[fierce lark]

im pretty sure armor shards factor in the same as an armor mod in terms of the calculation, as does the armor gained from parasitic armor

neither of them affect your "base" armor value, base armor is always 240

[abstract bison]

yep, the overguard from iron skin scales from your armor rating

the most overguard i've seen is 5 million with the rhino dash augment and then parasitic armor with precision intensify on the 4th instead

[fierce lark]

it probably isn't, but i'm curious if arcane expertise is better than molt augmented for parasitic armor nonsense

[abstract bison]

it could be better but expertise just made more sense to me

my headspace was hildryn but rhino instead

[valid cargo]

Violence

[abstract bison]

armored agility and vigilante pursuit on this is just meme so just ignore that, use the stronger armor mods and power drift if you really wanna minmax

muh sprint speed and radar

[trim forge]

Oh Violence is a pain to fight too depending on what you're doing

[valid cargo]

I literally forgot that i was doing steelpath

[abstract bison]

maybe even go for arcane guardian's +900 Armor on Damaged instead of Truculence idk

[valid cargo]

I heard that the sobek is busted on her but i hate kuva liches

[fierce lark]

everything is busted on her, the sobek is uniquely so, and you don't need a kuva sobek

kuva is slightly better because the stats are better so it'll kill the first target slightly faster, but the chain reaction from acid shells can be done with either sobek and it'll be the same amount of damage either way

[willow otter]

I dont, hmu if you ever need someone to join you on it

[valid cargo]

@willow otter hell yeah i need to get rid of my coda first i already found the combination so it wont take long

[willow otter]

Ill be available Saturday

[midnight horizon]

Mirage lol

[crimson osprey]

Hey, not sure if this is a builds or not- whats objectively the better bow? mutalist cernos or a kuva bramma? the cernos i have a riv-97 status chance. 95 toxin, 97 multishot.. i just fel the bramma is easier to wreck shit with because of how it works but idk.. fwiw i use the kunai incarnon as a secondary so precision isnt necessarily needed on the bow

[mighty flare]

bramma

[crimson osprey]

any reason why over the mutalist cernos?

[fathom sky]

Mutalist doesn't do a whole lotta damage last I remember, it's more for the grouping

[coral crest]

That's Proboscis

Mutalist is a completely different beast with multishot, repeating damage instances and a good ammo pool

And it's a status weapon with multico

[mighty flare]

gimmick is meh, bramma is large aoe

[livid gale]

What is better xoris pathoscyst coda or glaive prime?

[valid cargo]

Nourish or roar for kullervo?

[old marsh]

@livid gale coda pathocyst over Xoris over Glaive P. All phenomenal glaives tbh. Throw in Falcor too

[fathom sky]

Xoris is just far stronger than Glaive P. No clue on Patho but I've heard its up there with Xoris, along with Falcor

[spare geyser]

This still the SP Protea build?

[toxic cypress]

anything i should change on this?

[simple frost]

i'd say replace dreamer with discipline's merit

organ shatter with the amalgam version as well

[crimson osprey]

Any bramma builds that can do well in steel path? mined seemed.. limited in the dark refractory

[pure kiln]

does anyone have a setup for khora they use in the vodyanoi endo farm? kind of confused on how best to set it up

[mighty flare]

yea
https://overframe.gg/build/925439/kuva-bramma/kuva-bramma-viralhm-variants/

[narrow lance]

Yey or Ney?

[fierce lark]

why is bramma running HM over dmg element

[midnight horizon]

Nothing else I can really do unless I reroll the riven to get some Multishot and a negative.

[mighty flare]

still good for bramma

you can run raw dmg if you want

[undone dust]

raw..

[uncut axle]

on gara would it be better to up ability strength or melee critical on a red shard for a build centering around her lash ability

[topaz geyser]

does anyone have a good corvas prime profit taker build?

[random prawn]

Okay Mirage Prime build?

[fierce lark]

i meant why is it good for bramma specifically

when most other builds dropped it

[rocky aurora]

If youre using Influence (which you should be), it goes Falcor -> Xoris (both glaives force proc electric) -> anything else

Xoris will be easier to build at first because it's free and comes with a potato installed

[severe bough]

Jus Bramma cyte

[coral crest]

I don't think Xoris comes with a potato

You craft it

You don't get the inventory slot either

[rocky aurora]

Personally i go melee crit shards, it looks like ability strength is additive to lash damage (without taking into account ability synergies), but the wiki doesnt specify.

Influence/exposure lash with a normal cowbarf build even without shards kills level cap, so using shards will just make it easier to kill of you run out of combo

Boo, am I remembering incorrectly

I am remembering incorrectly

[severe bough]

U need normal corvas for pt

[rocky aurora]

🥀 I gotta go fix a couple of things now, damn

[fierce lark]

patho has nearly guaranteed influence proc on 4+ targets, that's not really its issue

its that xoris explosion has almost 2x the explosion radius

4x wtf

[coral crest]

Issue is that it spawns bugs

And that ruins my fashion

[rocky aurora]

It doesnt force proc Electric, which is my issue

No xoris radius is 2x patho

Still though 2x

[coral crest]

Halikar

[rocky aurora]

[fathom sky]

Patho does more damage, but it's a glaive, so it really doesn't need more damage lol. I'd take the consistency of Xoris any day.

[novel bear]

More range means more enemies hit means more simultaneous shock procs means more damage

[severe bough]

influenced glaive prime

[fierce lark]

the force proc elec thing really isn't as big a deal as we made it seem the other day

i threw it in testing and patho almost always procs influence on 4+ targets

and when it does trigger influence, it spreads guaranteed viral status to everything every time

thats kind of a big deal

and ofc it by itself does more damage

but it has barely more than half the range of the xoris explosion, and it has to take galv elementalist & voltaic strike for the status chance which slows down the throw speed

[placid kite]

Anyway I could make these builds better? (Uriel, viniquibus and melee)

[mighty flare]

with shit ammo, decent crit, and falloff, hm picks off enemies you don't kill = saving ammo

you can raw dmg bramma but usually means putting in extra buffs, so viralhm works for a low investment thing

or extra work, like the whole sharpshot thing

[mighty flare]

melee: doughty is bad, if you dont want to run influence, you run raw dmg with exposure/vortex/duplicates or whatever
primary: don't need hm, viral heat works, vinquibus wants primed shred cuz it counts for the passive, use crit delay
uriel: he likes duration, don't neg it, swap continuity for power drift

[cerulean rune]

So I found out that Hydroid's plunder also increase ability damage, so between Breach Surge, Null Star, Thermal Sunder, Aqua Blades and Pyrotechnics, which abilities are worth testing ?

[mighty flare]

its not a straight ability damage buff, its a universal damage buff like vigorous swap
so it would only affect breach surge, null star, and pyrotechnics
of which, breach surge then pyrotechnics are worth trying

[fierce lark]

vigorous swap is a niche thing for abilities that scale with weapon damage buffs right

seems pretty bad for general use, 2nd serration taking up a warframe slot

that has to be immensely played around

[mighty flare]

no, used for things like zaws or open world content stuff

[fierce lark]

oh yeah multi with contagion

[coral crest]

They put Vauban on the icon of vig swap, they were thinking years ahead

[fierce lark]

fleshits

[cerulean rune]

oh I didn't know breach surge was affected by those type of buffs, thank you

[mighty flare]

yeah, breach surge is easiest and usually best ability
pyrotechnics requires a bit more work cuz it relies on ragdolling, but hydroid has 2 methods so its not so terrible

[coral crest]

My favorite weapon coded ability is brightbonnet, because this trait does nothing except sabotage Qorvex

[cerulean rune]

why does Pyrotechnics relies on ragdoll ?

[mighty flare]

when you cast pyro on a ragdolled enemy, it'll target every limb and create new damage instance, so lots more damage

without that, pyrotechnics is a very weak ability

[ivory dock]

Are Uriel's demons summons? Do summon mods and arcanes work on them?

[cerulean rune]

interesting, thank you

[old marsh]

ye

[ivory dock]

Ok, now I gotta remod my Uriel

[mighty flare]

yes but most aren't worth considering

[ivory dock]

I want them to not die often

[fierce lark]

press 2

[ivory dock]

I do but I wanna press 3 more oftennn

[fierce lark]

the only damage they really take anyways is from when you press 3, they never actually take damage from enemies

and you can press 3 a lot before you have to heal them

[wild rune]

2 also just revives them if it's THAT much of a hassle

[ivory dock]

I don't have enough energy sometimes

I don't have the energy efficiency thing nor the energy regen mod on Uriel hol on

Forget what I said, I didn't have the right mods on entirely

[coral crest]

wouldnt equilibrium/shards with good str usually be enough on him

[fair umbra]

How's this?

[ivory dock]

I do not have equilibrium bc I hate playing in duviri and I need to get shards

[coral crest]

any of your procs will last less than a second

[coral crest]

play the teacher

it gives you equilibrium for free

[fair umbra]

Does that matter?

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[ivory dock]

It does???

[coral crest]

if youre ok with your procs disappearing before they can actually inflict any DOT or give you any other effect

[ivory dock]

I think I'd put that on a Nataruk and aim for heads

[coral crest]

yeah

this quest also completely cut Cetus off from early progression

[elder mesa]

Anyone got any good coda hirudo builds im making a left right goodnight build for kullervo 🤣

[simple frost]

kullervo?
eh
tbh, if it's for kullervo then anything goes

[random prawn]

Good ocucor build?

[old marsh]

Ruinous extension

[valid cargo]

Should i bring a primer weapon?

[timber ocean]

i was thinking adaption maybe

[plush bobcat]

Adaptation is a good option

[timber ocean]

im def gonna have to forma one more time😭

[plush bobcat]

You can take some inspiration from this. I use Augur Message for more ability upkeep since I am not running waltz. I basically just run around the map entering and exiting my 4 as I need to when there are no more enemies near me

You also dont need to run Muzzle Flash, but I like it so I use it

Im assuming you already have your regulator build figured out?

[timber ocean]

kinda

i saw what i need but i dont have what i need

[plush bobcat]

Ive heard some people say here and there that outburst doesnt work on Regulators but I dont particularly notice it, its just more crit if it is working, again I have no idea cause everything dies either way. If you want more survivability for higher up in steel path you can swap it for Fortifier for damage to Enemy Overguard and stealing it for yourself.

[timber ocean]

i need all those mods😭

[plush bobcat]

The grind never stops, check Baro everytime he arrives for the weekend

If you dont have the primed mods, you can sub them out for the base versions. Same withthe Galvanized mods

Then once you get access to Arbitrations you can grind for those mods and then sub out the base mods for the Galvanized mods

Oh and if you choose to use Secondary Outburst, the go to weapon for me is to use Ceramic Dagger with its incarnon, you dont need to use the incarnon form but you need the adapter. It has a perk where if you get 100 or so primary kills it gives you initial combo (up to x6 I believe) so that when you swap from ceramic to regulators, you consume that 6x to get more benefits to regulators.

[timber ocean]

ohhh

whaty shards should i put on her

[plush bobcat]

My plan is to use 5 topaz shards for secondary critical chance on heat kill. Like this, just on Mesa instead of Yareli

[timber ocean]

what shards mix to orange? i forgot

[plush bobcat]

Red and yellow pretty sure

[timber ocean]

is 5x on peace maker good?

[plush bobcat]

Topaz shards?

[timber ocean]

?

[plush bobcat]

If its modded for heat, then yea

5x? Like crit?

[timber ocean]

its got a 5.96 dmg multi

[plush bobcat]

mine has a 7.5x

[timber ocean]

how wtf

[plush bobcat]

but that is still pretty good for what mods you have

I have an endgame setup with endgame mods

[timber ocean]

its missing like 4-5 mods too

like the actual gun

[plush bobcat]

Yeah you can still use the base mods too

[timber ocean]

ohhh

its just not shreeding them like i see on video so im kinda sad LOL

[plush bobcat]

And itll be better with galvanized mods because getting kills with galvanized mods equipped with give you even more benefits

As long as its with the weapon that has the mods on

[timber ocean]

would u have any galv mods i could offer for at all?

[plush bobcat]

can your mesa setup and regulator setup in this channel? Im gonna put the mods on and see if I can record a video for you to see if you can get similar results

I might have some spare vitus essence

[timber ocean]

uh im in the tower rn can i do it aftr?

[plush bobcat]

yeah that works

[timber ocean]

sweet ty

[timber ocean]

when i use nourish im seeing 40k dmg numbers and such

[plush bobcat]

alright one sec

[timber ocean]

i chucked on accel isotope

[plush bobcat]

OK so copying all the warframe mods but 2 cause I dont have space due to the way mine is formaed, these were the results I got (steel path vs normal) keep in mind I dont have my ability buffs up in the clip

[timber ocean]

is that bad dmg numbers>

[plush bobcat]

For where you are in the game probably not, are you in steel path?

[timber ocean]

yes

ive done all main story i have just gotton her so

[plush bobcat]

For steel path this isnt ideal. I can show you how my build performs in comparison, so maybe you can take some inspiration

[timber ocean]

also how are u getting energy pick ups from where u are as well

[timber ocean]

i mean i was getting 40-60k during tower

[plush bobcat]

This is my build. These are eximus, so the kill time is slower but if you are using this in steel path there is almost never this many eximus in close proximity to each other at one time.

[timber ocean]

the speed wtf

[plush bobcat]

This is also with fortifier and not outburst with max ceramic stacks

[timber ocean]

how im not that fast

[plush bobcat]

Yeah thats Lethal Torrent

[timber ocean]

oh how do u get it

[broken cliff]

Sickening pulse koumei kind of lit

[plush bobcat]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Lethal_Torrent Wiki says its from nightmare missions. You might be better off getting it from trade chat if im being honest

Its a 15% drop chance, so not too terrible to farm

[dapper tree]

is this good for the arca titron or should i reroll

[timber ocean]

i got lethal

[plush bobcat]

Perfect, now just slap that on regulators and you should see a noticeable difference

[timber ocean]

alr and galv diff and sho

i should get that too right

[timber ocean]

what about this

[plush bobcat]

Oh nice, some nice upgrades, if you can try to get primed heated charge too. Its like 150 maxxed I think? Or you can save it and hope baro has it

[plush bobcat]

My build is on this message for reference. I gotta head to bed though its almost 5 am, good luck with the build

[timber ocean]

i got a rank 7 primed heat

ah alr get a good sleep thx foer the help

[digital oxide]

Hey I just got a Felarx riven. what's good stats for an anti-crit riven?

(the 50/50 +2000% damage schtick)

[timber ocean]

how do i stop the heat and toxic from mixing

cus it messes with my build

[spiral chasm]

You cant

Elements will always mix

[timber ocean]

i was sure there was a way to seperate them through very specfic mod placement

I WAS RIGHT

[burnt flume]

There is, but only if the elements would already combine with something else

[timber ocean]

i got my heat back

[burnt flume]

Nice, corrosive heat is always a nice addition

[timber ocean]

yea i honestly just needed it to deal heat dmg cus i had archon vit on mesa

[burnt flume]

Solid

Just as a little tip

If you put secondary fortify in your non exalted secondary

[timber ocean]

yea i was gonna farm for that tmrw

[burnt flume]

It'll still take effect

Free overguard which is great

[timber ocean]

so i could pop it on my scyotid

[burnt flume]

Yeah

Also stuff like the Furax amalgam mod

And amalgam barrel diffusion

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/you-to-me-gif-5464565068190392814

[burnt flume]

Are permanent team wide buffs, so you can put them on your builds for free stats since you never use them

[old marsh]

dont let DE hear u. i dont want this patched

my Mesa & Hildryn love free OG

[burnt flume]

That's the least of their concerns with Fortify

That thing is extremely broken

For some unknown reason the Thalys shards inherit the effect for example

[old marsh]

parkour/movement buff from okina is acceptable but Fortifier is broken imo

[timber ocean]

how do i get them?

[burnt flume]

For me it's harmless

[timber ocean]

also how does mesa 3 work? the dmg reduction one

cus i use it with 95% dmg reduc but i dont really see much of a diff

[burnt flume]

The Furax amalgam mod from the wisp bossfight, Rapaolyst or something

The other from the Thermia Fracture event that happens every week or so

[timber ocean]

ohhh

[timber ocean]

wait galf diffusion>

[burnt flume]

No

[timber ocean]

would this stack or no

[burnt flume]

No

[timber ocean]

aw

[burnt flume]

But that's why you use it on the worthless non exalted secondary

[timber ocean]

im guessing there also not tradable

[burnt flume]

Because the extra effect, in this case sprint speed, affects anyway

[timber ocean]

ohhh also

what about her 3

[burnt flume]

No but the Rapaolyst fight is easy and the Thermia Fracture event is also quite simple

[timber ocean]

shatter shield

[old marsh]

DONT CALL MY KOMPRESSA WORTHLESS. IT HAS ITS USES

[burnt flume]

It's strange, as in it's not really a damage reduction as more of a damage reflection

And it's dictated by range

It also only affects single target projectiles, so melees and AOE ones will still damage you

[versed harbor]

kompressa is an unironically good weapon tho

[burnt flume]

The Kompressa is excellent

Even outside of its fantastic priming capabilities it just deals very solid damage

[burnt flume]

I stand corrected

It's both, it is pure damage reduction and an effective 20 times health

The thing is Mesa already has extremely low survivability, so even if the damage is heavily reduced @timber ocean you're still very fragile

[modest vine]

wait ppl saying bubble gun is useless? how dare they

[timber ocean]

so i gotta kill before i get dmged

[willow otter]

Wait people think Kompressa is useless?

[timber ocean]

also whats the drop chance for the rapolyst

[old marsh]

20% for every amalgam mod

[marsh wasp]

So I have been looking at some builds for Lavos, I've got a valence formation Null star build, and a Valence formation Pyrotechnics, they seem to be quite decent. Unfortunately lavos doesn't really spam abilities so pyro is a one and done most of the time

[coral crest]

Doesn't spam abilities? You're playing him wrong then

People really put blind rage on him and expect to spam abilities lol

Lavos is the way he is because he stopped and saw things for how they are

Blind rage is not his thing

[timber ocean]

isnt his whole thing mixing elements lmao

cant really do that in a blind rage

[coral crest]

Yeah

See, this person gets it

[fluid nest]

how..many omni forma you have and how much nitain extract have you wasted?

[timber ocean]

and if ur just spamming them ur not using him to his max potential

hes legit a walking element primer

[marsh wasp]

i have 10 omni on all my favourites Sav Gyre prime but i'll get to her

[fluid nest]

damn

[timber ocean]

omni is an insane waste 😭

[coral crest]

Also no archon continuity? On Lavos?

[coral crest]

Weeping and crying and throwing up

[timber ocean]

fr u can pretty much use every single archon with him

all of them are gonna proc too

[coral crest]

And he has status immunity and armor to run persistence to fuel it even further

[coral crest]

Archon flow

[timber ocean]

fr hes an insanely goated frame

[coral crest]

Best in slot on Lavos fr

[timber ocean]

hes like one of the only frames that can use every single archon to its max

[coral crest]

No he can't use archon flow

[timber ocean]

besides that one yea

[coral crest]

I'd say Uriel is now the one who gets the most out of archon mods

[timber ocean]

but still 3 archon mods is goated

[timber ocean]

uriel became one of my favorites so fast

im loving mesa rn though

[coral crest]

He uses only 2 but both of them give him full benefits and more

And he doesn't even need to take dmg to enable Intensify

[modest vine]

forma'ed him a few times and in ESO he got 3 S ranks

[timber ocean]

fr its insane

his 4th is goated

[marsh wasp]

I'm just coming off of a influence slam build on lavos, what to use him for more

[timber ocean]

go full into element making fr

[modest vine]

if DE releases an augment for his 4th to not need to be charged, it would be nuts

[timber ocean]

trust u dont need weapons when u can throw elements at them

[coral crest]

Recovering from brain damage. Oof

[timber ocean]

fr but i honestly dont find it too hard to charge it

at max it takes me maybe a min or 2 to get it back

once the game starts running

[modest vine]

yeah but you know some try-hards want instant charge or use it asap

[timber ocean]

true

[coral crest]

His 4 charge is like the only thing keeping Uriel in check. He's absolutely comically broken otherwise

[timber ocean]

i do feel like his one could use a augment

[coral crest]

Unironically more so than 99% of other frames

[timber ocean]

the 3 ghosts dropping 3 diff buffs is insane

[marsh wasp]

Yeah, it was lazy for a bit.

[coral crest]

They're not just buffs, they're straight up 3 different warframes abilities he gets as a passive

[timber ocean]

i love him cus hes the one summoner type frame that doesnt req me constantly resummoning them

its the one annoying thing i had with other summoner frames

[coral crest]

Caliban with razor mortar?

He doesn't really need to summon them often

[sick remnant]

I like this comfy build

[timber ocean]

yea i have that on him

[modest vine]

imagine uriel with cyte-09 ability and do massive more damage

[timber ocean]

but it gets annoying once it ones out every so often

[coral crest]

Fair enough

[timber ocean]

seeing everyone run nourish on frames is weird

like i get its busted and i use it too

[modest vine]

nourish was good for a time

[timber ocean]

im trying to find a subsume to run with mesa

rn i just have nourish for big dmg numbers

i was thinking maybe roar or something

[modest vine]

roar would be good for mesa when you use her 4

[sick remnant]

Running nourish on a neg eff build is pretty good tbh

[timber ocean]

or hear me out

[marsh wasp]

for a stationery mesa, maybe dispensary for energy economy

[timber ocean]

webbed embrace

[sick remnant]

No

[timber ocean]

no trust ong

[sick remnant]

Well maybe

[timber ocean]

if u can get its range big enough

it could work pretty well

[timber ocean]

dont seem to have it unlocked but even then i dont run out of energy alot

[sick remnant]

Yeah but mesa generally loves low range and high duration

[timber ocean]

yea most of my stuff is in the 30 durations or so

should i swap out nourish for roar?

cus i mostly use her 4

[modest vine]

heh put so much duriation on my loki prime my invisible goes for almost a min

[sick remnant]

Duration queen

[timber ocean]

I CANT FEED MY BIO NOOOO

time to farm void orbs

mine fr

[timber ocean]

i dont know whats affecting my str to go from 389 to 299 though

[sick remnant]

prob either growing power or augmented

[timber ocean]

i think i did a pretty good job on this

[timber ocean]

that could be true

i really cant be bothered farming for the food for helm

i need arcane velocity so bad

[sick remnant]

this thing working on mesa and titania's exalted didn't need happen but it did

[timber ocean]

jesus

my panzer is so under modded LOL

im usually running nautilus

waiting for the burston prime incarnon to come in frfr

[steady heron]

I hope everyone is running primary frostbite/cascadia flare on their archguns if they dont use em

[timber ocean]

my arch guns dont have a single mod on them

they run off hopes and dreams

[steady heron]

Fair enough hahahaha

[timber ocean]

i HATE arch wing missions with a passion

i refuse to do them unless i need too

[karmic badger]

SP archwing missions are okay...

[steady heron]

Just grind valis undermine enough to get yourself 2 archgun arcanes adapter put primary frostbite and cascadia flare and voila genuinely one of the best statstick in game

[timber ocean]

ah alr

also is there a channel to flex fashion frame

[digital oxide]

what makes the verglas so desirable anyway

[karmic badger]

Innate cold and good status chance

[steady heron]

Innate cold damage really high fire rate really high status chance almost instant reload so your sentinel is constantly priming everything non stop

[karmic badger]

Tbh the only companion weapon that competes is like, the hound melees, cause they can proc melee influence

[steady heron]

Helminth charger is super slept on too

[karmic badger]

Tru, just cause mecha mods aren't available doesn't mean they're doodoo

Though considering my only kubrow is a chesa, i can't really judge can i?

[digital oxide]

"priming"?

Oh is this like, slathering them in status effects for CO?

[karmic badger]

Ye

[steady heron]

Exactly putting dot on enemies sentinels especially excels at this because of fired up mod

[digital oxide]

Noted. Normally I just take my cat

he is a Delighful Little Bastard.

[karmic badger]

Viral, magnetic, radiation, and heat are easy to slot in

And you can get cold if you run coolant leak on the Sentinel

[steady heron]

And then you put that verglas on diriga since he has basically “melee influence” with one of his precept mod so he spread those status everywhere

[digital oxide]

So, Verglas Prime and, does the sentinel itself matte-- ah there was my next question

[steady heron]

Diriga the best by far because of precept mod but it will work on anything as long as they also have fired up

[digital oxide]

So nuts to damage, just as many elements as possible

[steady heron]

I mean shoot fired up is not even necessary its just a waste of many many heat procs not to have it on

[digital oxide]

toss on fired up. Is there a Diriga build I should follow?

[steady heron]

Hmmm send a dm i can send you mine its not “meta” statistically the most optimal priming possible because i went for some qol and warframe buffs on him too but the most essential priming set up is there

[winter charm]

Guys, is it possible to combine all primed bane mods into 1?

[karmic badger]

That goes against the point of the bane mod lmao

You're supposed to trade specializing for a specific faction to get the biggest single mod damage boost in the game

[charred gale]

yeah use roar

[karmic badger]

Yeah that too

[charred gale]

lol

[pure gate]

Does Archon Vitality and Burning hate affect Divine Retribution?

[karmic badger]

I LOVE TRIPLE DIPPING IN THE DAMAGE CALCULATION

[winter charm]

Cannot use roar on all Warframes

[karmic badger]

Yes you can, talk to the big mouth

[charred gale]

like who?

[winter charm]

Some depends on nourish, some needs voruna's skill

And etc

[karmic badger]

Nourish is for energy sustain, arcane energize can replace that

[charred gale]

i dont think theres any frame where nourish makes or breaks them

[winter charm]

Yeah, but u gonna lose damage or survival ability or some other effects

[karmic badger]

If you're losing on damage by switching to roar then why bother with trying to get faction damage

[winter charm]

It was just an example 😕

[karmic badger]

Its a poor hypothetical

Sides, we got ludicrous levels of damage in a variety of options

Most people nowadays are looking for new survival strategies

I'm currently enjoying Arcane Circumvent's shenanigananery

[winter charm]

Ofc I will not need roar on chroma or jade for instance, but if I do, I will lose In fire rate, ability strength or whatever

Or for instance on Uriel, if I choose to use energize, I will lose in duration

The point was in bane mods, I've seen a YouTube that was saying that it's possible to combine them into 1 through npc

[charred gale]

could u send the yt video

[winter charm]

I will send in dm cuz I cannot send it here

[karmic badger]

DE would rather actually complete the faction mod set than to make a universal bane mod

[charred gale]

you couldnt send a yt video?

[winter charm]

Server blocks that link

[charred gale]

oh wow when did they change that

[winter charm]

Or maybe I do not have authority to send links

[charred gale]

they used to let them

[charred gale]

no everyone used to be able to, i just tried as well

[winter charm]

Ahh, it's written that I cannot send links that are not related to Warframe

[charred gale]

yeah im watching the video and hes saying that u have to switch the mod for each faction you're fighting

[winter charm]

Move to the mods discussion on that video, that's the part when he said about all in 1

[charred gale]

yeah i just watched it

he said that u have to switch them for each faction

he said "as a idea for DE"

[winter charm]

From 11:40

[charred gale]

shooting the enemies?

[winter charm]

Wrong wait

Ohh, he said that as an idea

To create an npc which will combine those bane mods

[charred gale]

thats what i said

[winter charm]

My bad

[charred gale]

all good

[toxic cypress]

any advice for making this better? besides riv reroll im broke on kuva

[coral crest]

How would pre ammo nerf Bramma/Zarr/Envoy shape up against the modern incarnon arsenal? I haven't been playing the game during that time

They came out right after the ammo nerfs.

[hidden basin]

so how exactly do i mod dual toxocyst right

[lavish orbit]

Semi cannonade lock fire rate so it nerfs your riven, better put serration than that

[rustic shadow]

Any advice for sustaining saryn spores outside of sp?

[pallid adder]

Does the heat interact with Xoris forced electric proc at all

[jagged mauve]

hi, might be a dumb question, I thought archon shards never shared with shadow b4 and the shards only apply on the base frame > sevagoth? I got 2 tauforged strength, was this always a thing? I didnt notice, I built first then added shards wayyy later pn

[trim hill]

Overextended to lower your strength, but once they ramp up, they'll still deal too much damage to maintain in typical levels. You also don't really want lower strength in general, so it's a double-edged sword

[jagged mauve]

yeah I dont even bother doing spores outside sp and just use her as weapon platform with her venom dose and archon continuity

[trim hill]

Shards do effect his Shadow, iirc

Idk if it's always been a thing, but it certainly is at this point in time. Very useful to know, too, so you can build both alongside each other with one shard

[jagged mauve]

yeah archon shard is shared, I assumed not cus arcanes dont share and are separate, obviously how exalted should work like exalted blade and normal melee
thats gonna fix my builds then, more cast speed and parkour velocity for shadow lmao

[trim hill]

Parkour defo on Shadow, lol. That thing is slow. I haven't had problems with casting speed tho, personally. Once I pull, I just tap 3 and heavy attack, most enemies are hard CC'd on the pull itself

And man, Shadow's pull has to be the best grouping in the game, holy

[jagged mauve]

cast speed definitely a preference of mine I always have on all frames, atleast 1 cast speed, for shadow ugh that sprint and roll is slow I agree

especially I have the melee careen and arcane circumvent on shadow, cus if I die with sevy, I have no problems on not able to revive from overguarded enemies

anmd able to pull

[trim hill]

I do the opposite - I run circumvent on Sev and health tank on Shadow. I know most don't health tank, tho, but circumvent completely fixed my caster Sev build, so I can get right back into Shadow much more often

Now I run Wyrd Scythes over Gloom, lol

[jagged mauve]

interesting helminth choice, was kinda finding option to put over his gloom cus I dont really use it much, the slow does help me survive but I already have circumvent on sevagoth with persistence too

oh just saw wyrd also slows

[trim hill]

Yeah, that's why I chose Scythes. You still get a slow, plus ezpz viral spread

[jagged mauve]

ohh makes sense now

I am now using that idea thanks

[hexed lodge]

yeah shards have always affected the Shadow
casting speed shards are always the best for both sevy + shady

how much slow you get out of Gloom?

[tawny rock]

I have no idea how you can have Hildryn function with the no shields arcane, you can basically make her jobless

[hexed lodge]

Shadow isn't slow, is just that the POV is higher and the shadow is big, that it makes the illusion of "shadow being slow", but it has the same speed as any other wf

[jagged mauve]

I have 169% str so 59% slow without molt augmented, im kinda interested how much slow ug et from scythes too, is ther an altered cap on it?

[karmic badger]

Health tank hildryn is incredibly funny

[tawny rock]

Health tank? On the shieldmaiden???

[hexed lodge]

That would explain it... trust me, you gotta see what 95% slow feels like at 272% strength, you can use other buffs like focus schools to snapshot the strength of Gloom on cast

[trim hill]

I understand that, true. For a melee-focus tho, he feels like what he lacks in speed, he more than makes up for with range. However, more speed feels much better

[jagged mauve]

lmao, someone had this discussion last year with arcane persistence, and he was serious, for fun, he likes hirudo on her to get more health

[jagged mauve]

for me all that mattered was get enough str to have 100% vulnerability on enemies, and high range with positive efficiency, my other arcnae is just energized, dont know what other source of str I can get

[tawny rock]

Toxin damage could ragdoll her straight to a wall

[jagged mauve]

I use madurai most times, it will help with str snapshot

[fervent bobcat]

Is there any amp build guide

[hexed lodge]

I love wyrd scythes for Sevagoth in archimedia, where you cannot select your loadout for external priming, thankfully the subsume helps with that.
And yes, Embrace from Shadow is amazing, I run Dispatch Overdrive in the claws to help with speed

[jagged mauve]

I think i might be a rare case of shadow user who actuallyt likes to stack combo and use tennokai instead, tennokai always feels satisfying for me 😅

[hexed lodge]

May I make a suggestion? removing Overextended > Stretch will improve the build so much, too much range actually hurts the nuke (i know how the augments work... it's a lot to explain )

many shadow users love using tennokai on the claws lol

[jagged mauve]

I guess I will have to try that but will have to test on a longer survival mission how it goes

[hexed lodge]

oh wait, you're not even using Roar? +respect

[karmic badger]

What was the power str needed for the 1-2-1 nuke?

[hexed lodge]

• 200% with 1 viral
• 217% with precision int. (roar)
• 255% without precision (roar)

[coral crest]

It implies 10 viral stacks?

[karmic badger]

217% precision roar?

[hexed lodge]

ye mb for not clarifying.
nope, only 1 viral

[karmic badger]

That's lower than i was thinking, i guess my brain is still on the 400% power str atlas meme

[trim hill]

I was very much considering this last night when playing him... Good to feel validated, lol

[hexed lodge]

at 9+ viral, it's any amount of strength

[jagged mauve]

yeah not much strength needed to nuke, that's how I was comfortable already with the build, but ill have to understand the range bit

also i dont have wyrd scythe helminth yethuhuhu

ill have to farm more tenno

alr time to take a break first goodbye tennos

[karmic badger]

does summoner's wrath work for Sev's 1?

[trim hill]

No

[hexed lodge]

As in... increasing the nuke damage or the dmg vuln? Nope~

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[hexed lodge]

I wonder if the aura still boosts their (bad) radiation dmg

not saying it would game-breaking, just interesting

[trim hill]

At least according to the wiki, it has no interaction at all

[hexed lodge]

Still will test when I get the chance
||check the log and see who has fixed the sev's reap/sow/augments wiki a few times lmao||

[willow otter]

Hey, say I wanna use Lavos right?
And say I don't wanna use Cedo with Lavos...
What guns are also pretty cash money with him?

[coral crest]

Depends on how you're gonna use him

If you want spellcasting, that's one set of weapons

If you want some gun, then its another

[willow otter]

Automatically assume I wanna make a weapons platform, caster frames and exalteds bore me 🙁

[coral crest]

Oh Lavos is kinda psychotic with his casting loop, uniquely so

But fair enough

[willow otter]

I'm aware, but I like point and click adventures

Heard Vadarya is pretty good on him(?)

[coral crest]

Subsume stuff, it's just Xata blast with blast forced by him

[hard dove]

It still works?

[willow otter]

Guess Imma use Caster Lavos

[willow otter]

No lol

[hard dove]

I thought they fixed that

[coral crest]

Not to that degree

[hard dove]

Alas

[coral crest]

I can still recommend weapons, hey

[willow otter]

Yeah, subsuming is not my flavor of fun either

[coral crest]

I hate valence formation because it made people forget that he is a caster frame, but

It has a lot of power and there are weapons that excel with it

[willow otter]

Hence why I like Valence Formation

[hard dove]

Caster lavos is still very effective that i forgot i have gun most of the time

100% huras crepuscular uptime

[willow otter]

Just a play style thing y'know. I like using gun in my gun game... Though maybe I should be more open to the concept?

Bleh

[coral crest]

My personal recommendations are

Primary: Phage, Phantasma(any decent beam really), Mutalist Cernos, Rauta, Bassocyst

Secondary: Torxica, Pyrana(prime), Cyanex, Riot, Ocucor(uniquely great with Lavos), Grimoire (universal ammo restores he puts out charges the alt fire super fast)

[hard dove]

Rauta?

[willow otter]

What's so great about Riot?

[coral crest]

Forced procs with raw dmg make any shotgun good

[willow otter]

And Rauta... Couldn't I use like Hek or something?

[coral crest]

Melee free melee combo too

[hard dove]

Can't you just use literally any shotgun then

[coral crest]

I tried excluding anything that isn't super obvious

[willow otter]

I guess I can try Muty Cernos

What's so good about Riot tho

[coral crest]

Recall explosions benefit from Valence

[coral crest]

Tbf with how much time he spends infusing and casting stuff you rarely have room to shoot

Also he can uniquely buff archguns and incarnons

So you can do all sorts of horrid stuff

[trim hill]

I'm another Convectrix stan when it comes to Valence Lavos

[coral crest]

Oh shit

[hard dove]

This calls for arbucep and larkspur shinanigan

[coral crest]

I forgot to mention convectrix

[trim hill]

Stah-tuss

[coral crest]

5 trillion slash procs

[hard dove]

Fellow convec user
I thought no one use it anymore after slash nerf

[coral crest]

We are always here

[willow otter]

What's so fantastic about these weapons with Valence?

[coral crest]

(I barely use guns)

[trim hill]

Nah fam, we running lectric + blass on that bih now

[willow otter]

Nevermind y'all are BASED

[coral crest]

Beams - lots of status, now you have even more status and can mod them more freely.

Shotguns - each pellet will benefit from forced procs

Torxica - vulnerability spores benefit from Valence

Cyanex - a LOT of damage instances EVERYWHERE

Ocucor - this gun just needs some ramp up to become strong and Lavos gives that in spades

Riot - recall explosions are affected by Valence

[trim hill]

With its auggy, it gets really stupid funny numbers using Valence. Really good stuff if you throw on something goofy like Expedite Suffering

[willow otter]

Interesting

[coral crest]

Theres also a wildcard option

That appeared recently

[hard dove]

Does debilitate work with valance formation

[coral crest]

Yes

[trim hill]

The words were spoken

Er, typed

[hard dove]

Awesome

[coral crest]

Basmu

[hard dove]

Also i like glaxion personally
Another strong beam weapon

[coral crest]

On health tank Lavos with it's new augment you are getting an insane status chance

[trim hill]

GOD I forgot about Basmu. Goated choice

[coral crest]

With debilitate and valence you have probably one of the best primers in the game

Legitemately alt fire might replace your whole kit for priming

And it heals on ammo depletion

[trim hill]

It's like a rifle/beam alt to Cedo, really (in terms of utility for Lavos)

[coral crest]

Pyrana Prime is just Cedo without an alt fire and in a secondary slot

Low dmg per pellet crit auto shotgun

It's the hipster's Cedo

"I can prime on my own" Cedo

[trim hill]

I'm just gonna disagree with that, even though I have no reason to

[coral crest]

Bonus points for easy cascadia flare or whatever else

Since it's also really low base dmg otherwise and has insane multishot, you can legitemately run cascadia empowered with that

[hard dove]

One of you have a basmu build?

I have bot touched that thing since i got the augment

For valance formation i mean

[trim hill]

I do, but idk if it's specced for Lavos. It's a general use build

[coral crest]

Yeah it needs fine tuning for Lavos needs

Either for real use or as a primer

And whether you're health tanking or not

[trim hill]

This + debilitate

[coral crest]

Can exchange velocity for beam length for more alt fire as well

[willow otter]

What's Debilitate do

[trim hill]

Yeah, that's prolly what I'd do for Lavos

[coral crest]

Reaching 10 stacks of any combined status splits that status into one of the combined elements randomly

Each new dmg instance

[willow otter]

Oh that one

[coral crest]

Yeah imagine how much Lavos benefits from that

[coral crest]

I geniunely just built it as a primer and added the augment. I mostly use him as a health tank caster so literally all I use it for is to dump alt fire in an emergency, using combined elements not in rotation

I also have a hound, so it would feed the fire

Basmu is also MultiCO on primary fire if you really want damage out of it

Oh and Lavos can also just be evil

And infuse electricity to force proc influence on anything

Or infuse gas on slam weapons

Or infuse gas on influence weapons

[quiet laurel]

tbh better off to infuse blast so you force proc blast when doing influence

for better scaled nuking

[coral crest]

True enough

[willow otter]

Hmm

[mossy mica]

I refuse
I will Helminth Nourish into him instead to destroy his entire build

[willow otter]

Anyone got a lavo build

[hard dove]

Now if you infuse gas on blast elec influence syam tho

Fun stuff

[willow otter]

I can probably get a Convectrix Elec Blast build with Debilitate going

[quiet laurel]

yeah, passive gating and full duration with omamori, you can thank me later

[hard dove]

Why not remedium btw

[willow otter]

I won't , the concept of helminth makes me want to blow up a small country

[coral crest]

10s cooldown

[quiet laurel]

cause omamori is more lazy fr

[mossy mica]

I recommend range
Losing Duration is okay because only your 2nd’s frost puddles use it the most
Unless you want to keep those puddles around to freeze everyone

[hard dove]

Man that's dumb
Could've been a good subsume on so many frame

[coral crest]

I am talking about Lavos

All his subsumes are 10s cooldowns

Except Evade, it's Evade's normal cooldown but you can shave it off with his cd reduction

[hard dove]

Duration affect the valance infusion

[coral crest]

Just infuse it again

[mossy mica]

Oh shoot I forgot that

Then again that too
As a Lavos main I’m always using an ability

[coral crest]

Valence formation lasts 20s at base

You have 8s and 5s abilities

You'll be fine

[mossy mica]

If my valance isn’t always refreshing then something is wrong

[coral crest]

^

I guess if you're lazy gating then you're also lazy playing though

[quiet laurel]

as a lavos main you could also be casting once every 2 minutes

[coral crest]

So no comment

[coral crest]

Those are Valence Formation mains, not real Lavos mains

[hard dove]

We up spamming akarius on this man

God bless valance block

[mossy mica]

I cannot
I am that Lavos you see drifting around all the time

Just
Ice vials for everyone
YOU GET A STATUS EFFECT
YOU GET A STATUS EFFECT
YOU ALL GET STATUS EFFECTS

[coral crest]

Your average Lavos main only plays valence formation and will give him up for Cyte-09 the moment this Zarr spammer gets a prime

[novel bear]

I hate all the cooldowns

[coral crest]

I hate all the cooldowns

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stomach-cat-cats-funny-fun-gif-17958160902633079020

[hard dove]

That dopamine when you hit 3 on a group tho

[quiet laurel]

I mean yeah its the funnier way

weapons platform that buffs status duration is very niche

[coral crest]

Yeah, nothing against that tbh

[quiet laurel]

and actually makes gas useful

[coral crest]

But so much Lavos propaganda and yet none of it is genuine about his kit

[quiet laurel]

welcome to warframe

[coral crest]

And barely anyone plays him anyway

[quiet laurel]

where a frames kit is usually worse than what you can do with augments/helminths

[coral crest]

I am going to eat you

I don't need an augment to do it

How about that

[hard dove]

Sevagoth

[quiet laurel]

Dont blame the players blame the game

[coral crest]

I am going to blame myself for everything and cry

[hexed lodge]

I am gonna quote nuclearBox on this...
Those are not Sevagoth mains, those are Nuker mains

[quiet laurel]

DE makes the funny augments and helminths

[trim hill]

Okay Grendel

[hard dove]

Also Wukong
Ik slam is good an all but like his staff is soo good

[coral crest]

Correction, those are Roar mains

[willow otter]

Which sucks since I like using a frame based on their merits not what another frame could do to it

[hard dove]

Roar addiction

[coral crest]

There's one reason to use Wukong that I agree with

Wukong's staff is one of the rare weapons that have its visuals affected by non elemental modding

Adding reach to it actually makes the model longer

[willow otter]

https://tenor.com/view/grendel-warframe-club-penguin-dance-grendel-dance-gif-23939928

[willow otter]

Doesn't high strength also just make the stick bigger

[karmic badger]

My convec holds a special place for demolist purposes

[coral crest]

On those gas station invigoration pills

[hexed lodge]

Legit tho, I was gaslighting myself for so long when the 2nd augment for Sevagoth came out, thinking i was playing him wrong by not using Roar... dear void, when I finally went in-depth on his mechanics, I felt stupid for almost believing "he needs Roar to function" and it's all just copy-paste what others say

[polar yarrow]

Thoughts ?

[coral crest]

I'm very hungry

Is that a valid thought

[karmic badger]

How early game is this

[coral crest]

Early enough to have Cyte I suppose

[polar yarrow]

like very early as in I just unlocked SP after 300h of gameplay and just lvl ing up Cyte atm

I am MR12

[coral crest]

[fierce lark]

gas more like

pass

[karmic badger]

I suggest farming for galvanized mods first

[coral crest]

Pass and gas can work together

[hard dove]

Factually wrong

[fierce lark]

ffs

[karmic badger]

Gas and pass in warframe when

[fierce lark]

grundle

[polar yarrow]

Maybe I sohuld but heard that arb was like late game ?

[fierce lark]

i mean grendel

[fierce lark]

arbis come before steel path

[karmic badger]

Its the in-between from regular star chart to steel path

[polar yarrow]

I m ean I am nowhere ready to start SP just unlocked it

[polar yarrow]

Which mod do you suggest to look for ?

[fierce lark]

galvanized mods are like

really really really important

[hexed lodge]

Doesn't look like the incarnon is installed...
I don't have much to say other than it definitely lacks multishot

[coral crest]

Still waiting for Operation Vallis Undergrundle

[fierce lark]

that was a sentence

[polar yarrow]

I am nowhere near the right reputation lvl of Zariman sadly ....

[karmic badger]

Multishot and status chance, tbh just grab all 3 for each weapon category

[polar yarrow]

Can I have the prime weapon and then instal incarnon after or its a brand new weapon ?

[karmic badger]

Kuva Kelstar when

[fierce lark]

you can install incarnons whenever you want

weapons that have incarnon adapters are "balanced" around the incarnon evolutions, and they tend to be pretty bad without them

[hard dove]

Coda bubo when

[quiet laurel]

chamber > aptitude > scope